From roger.fenton at llgc.org.uk Tue Aug 1 03:46:45 2006 From: roger.fenton at llgc.org.uk (Roger Fenton) Date: Tue Aug 1 03:43:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: <44CF06E5.1010204@llgc.org.uk> A little late, maybe, Virginia, but Jakob Nielsen has just published an Alertbox on this topic: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/screen_resolution.html -- Roger Fenton Swyddog Prosiect Adran Gwasanaethau Casgliadau Is-adran Systemau Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BU Cymru http://www.llgc.org.uk/ Ff?n: +44 (0) 1970 632800 est. 368 e-bost: roger.fenton@llgc.org.uk Dydy'r uchod ddim o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli polisi'r LlGC Project Officer Department of Collection Services Systems Section National Library of Wales Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BU Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/ Tel.: +44 (0) 1970 632800 ext. 368 Fax: +44 (0) 1970 632882 e-mail: roger.fenton@llgc.org.uk The above does not necessarily represent NLW policy From melindajharvey at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 10:40:04 2006 From: melindajharvey at yahoo.com (Harvey Melinda) Date: Tue Aug 1 10:40:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Services Librarian--Gadsden State Community College In-Reply-To: <44CF06E5.1010204@llgc.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060801144004.66019.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> QUALIFICATIONS ? Master of Library Science/Service (MLS) or equivalent degree from an American Libraries Association accredited graduate school required by September 15, 2006 ? Experience in a college, research, or technical library required (This may include full-time work, clinical experience, volunteer experience, internships, laboratory work, graduate assistantship experience, or other similar experiences.) ? Ability to work independently or as a team member ? Outstanding customer service skills ? Flexibility in adapting to change ? Excellent oral, written, and interpersonal skills ? A commitment to the teaching-learning process of the community college and the open-door admission process ? Provide reference assistance to students and faculty. DUTIES ? Teach library instruction classes as needed. ? Evaluate information resources for inclusion and withdrawal from library collection. ? Participate in the planning and improving of services, functions, and policies. ? Prepare monthly and annual reports. ? Issue appropriate library and college identification cards. ? Record and remove fines on the campus mainframe as needed. ? May supervise library clerks. ? Help supervise student workers within the library. ? Manage a branch library as needed. ? Work cooperatively with the staff of Meadows Library and the Cain LRC. ? Comply with all policies of the State Board of Education, the Department of Postsecondary Education, and the College. ? Perform other duties as assigned. OTHER INFO: Starting Date: September 15, 2006 State Salary Schedule ?D" - $35,586 ? $69,583 (9 months), based on education and experience. Additional summer employment may be available. Closing Date for Applications: August 15, 2006 Only complete application packages will be given consideration for employment.) Complete package consists of (a) GSCC application, (b) current r?sum?, (c) copies of transcripts of all postsecondary education; and (d) three professional letters of reference. Send to: Director of Human Resources Gadsden State Community College P. O. Box 227 Gadsden, AL 35902-0227 (256) 549-8236 Reference Department, Meadows Library, Gadsden State Community College 256-549-8411 "In the nonstop tsunami of global information, librarians provide us with floaties and teach us how to swim." Linton Weeks --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From VFranklyn at ppld.org Tue Aug 1 11:20:35 2006 From: VFranklyn at ppld.org (Franklyn, Virginia) Date: Tue Aug 1 11:20:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: <44CF06E5.1010204@llgc.org.uk> Message-ID: <0600FBC573ABAA4B8042C9FA002E886701A8E28D@2k3-thor.ad.ppld.org> Thank you Roger and everyone who replied to my question. Your input has been very helpful in strengthening my case against using a frozen layout. I truly appreciate everyone's time regarding this matter. Sincerely, Virginia Virginia T. Franklyn Web Developer Pikes Peak Library District 719-531-6333 x1129 http://library.ppld.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Roger Fenton Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:47 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution A little late, maybe, Virginia, but Jakob Nielsen has just published an Alertbox on this topic: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/screen_resolution.html -- Roger Fenton Swyddog Prosiect Adran Gwasanaethau Casgliadau Is-adran Systemau Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BU Cymru http://www.llgc.org.uk/ Ff?n: +44 (0) 1970 632800 est. 368 e-bost: roger.fenton@llgc.org.uk Dydy'r uchod ddim o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli polisi'r LlGC Project Officer Department of Collection Services Systems Section National Library of Wales Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BU Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/ Tel.: +44 (0) 1970 632800 ext. 368 Fax: +44 (0) 1970 632882 e-mail: roger.fenton@llgc.org.uk The above does not necessarily represent NLW policy _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 1 12:04:38 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Tue Aug 1 12:08:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: <44CF06E5.1010204@llgc.org.uk> References: <44CF06E5.1010204@llgc.org.uk> Message-ID: <44CF7B96.3020608@ohiolink.edu> On 8/1/2006 3:46 AM, Roger Fenton wrote: > A little late, maybe, Virginia, but Jakob Nielsen has just published an > Alertbox on this topic: > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/screen_resolution.html > Just pay close attention to Nielsen's definition of "optimize for 1024x768". What this article doesn't make clear is that the number of users with 1280x1024 screens or above is roughly the same as the number with 800x600. So if just the commonly seen display environments range to 150% of the low end, there's clearly no single width that fits enough users to justify the number you're ticking off. Factor the likely changes to font sizes (more pixels to work with -> more pixels per character -> higher resolution text at the same physical size), and the increasing unpredictablity of *window* sizes as screen sizes grow, and it should be clear that any fixed-width design is a dead end. -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From cbailey at uh.edu Tue Aug 1 12:29:19 2006 From: cbailey at uh.edu (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Tue Aug 1 12:29:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Version 63, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography Message-ID: <44CF815F.2000702@uh.edu> Version 63 of the Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography is now available. This selective bibliography presents over 2,730 articles, books, and other printed and electronic sources that are useful in understanding scholarly electronic publishing efforts on the Internet. http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepb.html The PDF version of SEPB is now produced annually. The 2005 PDF file is available (Version 60, published 12/9/2005). http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/60/sepb.pdf The Open Access Bibliography: Liberating Scholarly Literature with E-Prints and Open Access Journals, by the same author, provides much more in-depth coverage of the open access movement and related topics (e.g., disciplinary archives, e-prints, institutional repositories, open access journals, and the Open Archives Initiative) than SEPB does. http://www.digital-scholarship.com/oab/oab.htm The Open Access Webliography (with Ho) complements the OAB, providing access to a number of Websites related to open access topics. http://www.digital-scholarship.com/cwb/oaw.htm Changes in This Version The bibliography has the following sections (revised sections are marked with an asterisk): Table of Contents 1 Economic Issues 2 Electronic Books and Texts 2.1 Case Studies and History* 2.2 General Works 2.3 Library Issues 3 Electronic Serials 3.1 Case Studies and History 3.2 Critiques 3.3 Electronic Distribution of Printed Journals* 3.4 General Works* 3.5 Library Issues 3.6 Research* 4 General Works 5 Legal Issues 5.1 Intellectual Property Rights* 5.2 License Agreements* 5.3 Other Legal Issues 6 Library Issues 6.1 Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata* 6.2 Digital Libraries* 6.3 General Works* 6.4 Information Integrity and Preservation* 7 New Publishing Models* 8 Publisher Issues 8.1 Digital Rights Management 9 Repositories, E-Prints, and OAI* Appendix A. Related Bibliographies Appendix B. About the Author Appendix C. SEPB Use Statistics* Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources includes the following sections: Cataloging, Identifiers, Linking, and Metadata Digital Libraries* Electronic Books and Texts* Electronic Serials* General Electronic Publishing* Images Legal* Preservation Publishers Repositories, E-Prints, and OAI* SGML and Related Standards Further Information about SEPB The HTML version of SEPB is designed for interactive use. Each major section is a separate file. There are links to sources that are freely available on the Internet. It can be can be searched using Boolean operators. The HTML document includes three sections not found in the Acrobat file: (1) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog (biweekly list of new resources; also available by mailing list--see second URL--and RSS Feed--see third URL) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepw.htm http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepwlist.htm http://feeds.feedburner.com/ScholarlyElectronicPublishingWeblogrss (2) Scholarly Electronic Publishing Resources (directory of over 270 related Web sites) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/sepr.htm (3) Archive (prior versions of the bibliography) http://epress.lib.uh.edu/sepb/archive/sepa.htm The 2005 annual PDF file is designed for printing. The printed bibliography is over 210 pages long. The PDF file is over 560 KB. Related Article An article about the bibliography has been published in The Journal of Electronic Publishing: http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/07-02/bailey.html -- Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Digital Library Planning and Development, University of Houston Libraries E-Mail: cbailey@digital-scholarship.com Publications: http://www.digital-scholarship.com/ (Provides access to DigitalKoans, Open Access Bibliography, Open Access Webliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog, and other publications.) From Jim.Coble at duke.edu Tue Aug 1 13:39:31 2006 From: Jim.Coble at duke.edu (Jim Coble) Date: Tue Aug 1 13:39:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Event management and registration tool Message-ID: The Center for Instructional Technology at Duke has, over the past few years, developed a home-grown event management and registration system that we use to publicize and manage the registration for various events that we sponsor (presentations, workshops, annual Showcase, etc.). There is now interest in having a system like this available for use library-wide. Before jumping in and altering our existing home-grown CIT system to meet this expanded need, we wanted to see if there are other tools out there (preferably open source) that could meet our needs just as well or even better. So, I thought I'd query this list and see how other folks are handling this need, especially if you have a system or tool that you think does a particularly good job at this. I imagine there are a number of tools out there that could handle event calendaring -- it's the event registration piece (signing up for an event, maintaining a waiting list if the event fills up, recording attendance, handling walk-ins, etc.) that I think may be more difficult to find. Thanks. --Jim ================================= Jim Coble Digital Projects Consultant Perkins Library Email: jim.coble@duke.edu Voice: 919-660-5974 Fax: 919-668-2578 Box 90198, Duke University Durham, NC 27708-0198 ================================= From leo at leoklein.com Tue Aug 1 13:51:02 2006 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Tue Aug 1 13:51:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Event management and registration tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CF9486.5090001@leoklein.com> Hi Jim, One possible solution is to use Drupal plus the "Volunteer Module" -- People sign up but they then need to be approved. Events on Drupal are easy to manage and you get a calendar to boot. The more you get into it, the more you find how to customize it. More info at: Drupal.org LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com Jim Coble wrote: > The Center for Instructional Technology at Duke has, over the past few > years, developed a home-grown event management and registration system that > we use to publicize and manage the registration for various events that we > sponsor (presentations, workshops, annual Showcase, etc.). There is now > interest in having a system like this available for use library-wide. > Before jumping in and altering our existing home-grown CIT system to meet > this expanded need, we wanted to see if there are other tools out there > (preferably open source) that could meet our needs just as well or even > better. > > So, I thought I'd query this list and see how other folks are handling this > need, especially if you have a system or tool that you think does a > particularly good job at this. I imagine there are a number of tools out > there that could handle event calendaring -- it's the event registration > piece (signing up for an event, maintaining a waiting list if the event > fills up, recording attendance, handling walk-ins, etc.) that I think may > be more difficult to find. > From jean.rainwater at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 15:11:41 2006 From: jean.rainwater at gmail.com (jean rainwater) Date: Tue Aug 1 15:11:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting: Repository Programmer (Brown University) Message-ID: <30bb33ee0608011211y1bb9e5edq137f74f6ff63d466@mail.gmail.com> The Brown University Library is seeking a creative and energetic individual to join the Center for Digital Initiatives (CDI) as the Center's Repository Programmer. The CDI is charged with developing digital collections, associated production and consultative services in support of digital scholarship and instruction, and the development of a campus-wide digital repository service. The Repository Programmer manages the library's Fedora implementation and other digital collection management tools; develops the digital repository environment in accordance with the Open Archival Information System reference model; administers the repository's cocoon and/or tomcat architectures; develops, maintains and integrates institutional repository tools with Fedora; implements authentication methods in conjunction with Computing and Information Services (CIS). Required Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in Computer Science and two or more years of significant development experience in an object oriented development environment such as Java. Strong analytical and problem solving skills and the ability to formulate options, develop, and recommend solutions. Creativity in problem solving to independently resolve numerous technical issues arising in a constantly changing work environment, and analytical skills and judgment to extrapolate from one situation to another and to make appropriate decisions in a dynamic work environment Knowledge of Java, SQL, XML/XSL, Perl, PHP, JDBC and library systems. Demonstrated experience with UNIX, UNIX utilities, device handling, data storage, and basic UNIX administration. Knowledge of current web development standards and cross platform compatibility and accessibility techniques. Strong interpersonal skill; ability to work successfully in a collaborative environment. Preferred Qualifications: Experience with IT in a higher education environment. Experience with Open Source software. Ability to work in an API environment and experience with SOAP and/or REST. Familiarity with library metadata standards such as METS, MODS, and the OAI protocol. Knowledge of associated digital storage formats and conversion principles, procedures, and operations. Strong understanding of information organization and retrieval technologies used to organize, store, and access digital content. Experience with programming best-practices, including test-drive development and design patterns. Experience with evaluating new technologies and use case analysis. Excellent oral and written skills to communicate with technical and non-technical individuals and prepare project documentation to support training and best practices encoding guidelines. To apply for this position (JOB# B00848), please visit Brown's Online Employment website (https://careers.brown.edu). Brown University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. From drweb at san.rr.com Tue Aug 1 21:14:11 2006 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Tue Aug 1 21:14:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Event management and registration tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007e01c6b5d0$f70717a0$3a964b42@PMM> Not open source, Jim, but check out the handling of your needs by EventKeeper's EK Rooms.. http://www.eventkeeper.com/ekrooms/ $250/year per library.. * Room reservations requests made online. anytime * View room usage before making a request * Patrons select from room setups pre-defined by your library * Equipment reservations can be made at the same time * Conflict checking to avoid double booking * Easy approval of reservations by library staff * Choose to include the event on your public EventKeeper calendar Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:12:07 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jim Coble >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:40 AM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: [Web4lib] Event management and registration tool > > >The Center for Instructional Technology at Duke has, over the past few >years, developed a home-grown event management and >registration system that >we use to publicize and manage the registration for various >events that we >sponsor (presentations, workshops, annual Showcase, etc.). >There is now >interest in having a system like this available for use library-wide. >Before jumping in and altering our existing home-grown CIT >system to meet >this expanded need, we wanted to see if there are other tools out there >(preferably open source) that could meet our needs just as well or even >better. > >So, I thought I'd query this list and see how other folks are >handling this >need, especially if you have a system or tool that you think does a >particularly good job at this. I imagine there are a number >of tools out >there that could handle event calendaring -- it's the event >registration >piece (signing up for an event, maintaining a waiting list if the event >fills up, recording attendance, handling walk-ins, etc.) that >I think may >be more difficult to find. > >Thanks. >--Jim > >================================= >Jim Coble >Digital Projects Consultant >Perkins Library >Email: jim.coble@duke.edu >Voice: 919-660-5974 Fax: 919-668-2578 >Box 90198, Duke University >Durham, NC 27708-0198 >================================= > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From krichel at openlib.org Wed Aug 2 03:19:29 2006 From: krichel at openlib.org (Thomas Krichel) Date: Wed Aug 2 03:20:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-LIS reaches 4.000 eprints milestone Message-ID: <20060802071929.GA7498@openlib.org> Rome, 2006-08-01 E-LIS, the international archive for Library and Information Science (LIS) eprints at http://eprints.rclis.org, has reached the milestone of over 4000 eprints stored. The news was brought by the coordinator of E-LIS, Imma Subirats Coll. Speaking from Rome (Italy), Imma congratulated the international team of 63 national editors from 45 countries who work to fill the archive and maintains its metadata. "They continue to do a wonderful job." she said. In Padua (Italy), E-LIS founder Antonella De Robbio added "We are very grateful to the CILEA consortium for maintaining the server for us. Their operations have been very reliable. I am sure that their pioneering work will be acknowledged by LIS history." Speaking in Novosibirsk (Russia), Thomas Krichel, a volunteer for E-LIS, noted "There can be no doubt that E-LIS is becoming the subject-based archive of choice for the LIS community. Our operation is technically robust, and there is great deal of work going on to cater for the metadata associated with the papers. But E-LIS can not and will not rest on its laurels. It is our hope to be working more closely with the organizers of LIS conferences, such as we have done with the ASIS&T and Collnet meetings." In Philadelphia, (USA), the national editor for the USA, Norm Medeiros, added "Before uploading the papers from last year's American Society for Information Science and Technology annual meeting, we solicited permission from each corresponding author. The response was overwhelmingly positive. Most authors gave enthusiastic approval at the prospect of having their papers on E-LIS. The ASIS&T papers represent an important and lasting collection that E-LIS is proud to host." Speaking in Vancouver (Canada), Heather Morrison, the editor for Canada and a well-respected open access campaigner, said "This type of pro-active action sets the E-LIS team apart." In Mumbai, (India), V. L. Kalyane, the editor for India and member of the editorial board of the Indian Journal of Information, Library & Society, simply said "Congradulations". From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 2 08:38:55 2006 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed Aug 2 08:39:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California May Join Google's Library Project Message-ID: "In a move with major significance for the worlds of academic research and publishing, the University of California is in talks to join Google's controversial project to digitize great libraries and offer books online." Los Angeles Times: http://tinyurl.com/l4atd Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From Kevin.Cullen at UCHSC.edu Wed Aug 2 13:00:17 2006 From: Kevin.Cullen at UCHSC.edu (Kevin.Cullen@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:00:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: I would argue that wide-screen monitors are becoming an argument in favor of fixed-width layouts. On my 21" 1680 x 1050 LCD monitor, a Web site set to 80%-100% width is so wide that the text is unreadable. Granted, I don't normally have my browser window maximized on that monitor, but some people might. Research has shown that the optimal width of text is 3.5 to 10 inches* (8.9 to 25.4cm). Anything longer is too hard to read. In an age when monitors are getting wider, and people are running two windows side by side, we can't make any presumptions about the width of their browser windows. On my monitor, a line of text could be as much as 48cm (18.9 inches) long. That's way too much. Think about broadsheet newspapers: They put text content in relatively narrow columns. Images are wider. Newspaper readers can adjust their width by folding the paper, and still be able to read the content reasonably well. Web designers should aim for the same. * See this link: http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/nov02.asp - Kevin Cullen Denison Memorial Library - UCDHSC kevin.cullen@uchsc.edu 303-315-0739 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:04:38 -0400 From: Thomas Dowling Subject: Re: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution To: web4lib@webjunction.org Message-ID: <44CF7B96.3020608@ohiolink.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just pay close attention to Nielsen's definition of "optimize for 1024x768". What this article doesn't make clear is that the number of users with 1280x1024 screens or above is roughly the same as the number with 800x600. So if just the commonly seen display environments range to 150% of the low end, there's clearly no single width that fits enough users to justify the number you're ticking off. Factor the likely changes to font sizes (more pixels to work with -> more pixels per character -> higher resolution text at the same physical size), and the increasing unpredictablity of *window* sizes as screen sizes grow, and it should be clear that any fixed-width design is a dead end. From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Wed Aug 2 13:14:41 2006 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:14:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kevin, I think you've missed the main point of those who argue for liquid layouts. The point is to allow readers to decide for themselves what makes sense for them. A newspaper _must_ make a decision regarding column width, and therefore they must create a "lowest common denominator" style solution. But with liquid layouts on the web, each individual user gets to decide for themselves what works best for them. What's not to like about that? Why force our users into one way of interacting with our sites when the technology is offering us a better alternative? Roy On 8/2/06 10:00 AM, "Kevin.Cullen@UCHSC.edu" wrote: > I would argue that wide-screen monitors are becoming an argument in > favor of fixed-width layouts. On my 21" 1680 x 1050 LCD monitor, a Web > site set to 80%-100% width is so wide that the text is unreadable. > Granted, I don't normally have my browser window maximized on that > monitor, but some people might. > > Research has shown that the optimal width of text is 3.5 to 10 inches* > (8.9 to 25.4cm). Anything longer is too hard to read. In an age when > monitors are getting wider, and people are running two windows side by > side, we can't make any presumptions about the width of their browser > windows. On my monitor, a line of text could be as much as 48cm (18.9 > inches) long. That's way too much. > > Think about broadsheet newspapers: They put text content in relatively > narrow columns. Images are wider. Newspaper readers can adjust their > width by folding the paper, and still be able to read the content > reasonably well. Web designers should aim for the same. > > * See this link: http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/nov02.asp > > - Kevin Cullen > Denison Memorial Library - UCDHSC > kevin.cullen@uchsc.edu > 303-315-0739 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:04:38 -0400 > From: Thomas Dowling > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Message-ID: <44CF7B96.3020608@ohiolink.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Just pay close attention to Nielsen's definition of "optimize for > 1024x768". What this article doesn't make clear is that the number of > users with 1280x1024 screens or above is roughly the same as the number > with 800x600. So if just the commonly seen display environments range > to 150% of the low end, there's clearly no single width that fits enough > users to justify the number you're ticking off. Factor the likely > changes to font sizes (more pixels to work with -> more pixels per > character -> higher resolution text at the same physical size), and the > increasing unpredictablity of *window* sizes as screen sizes grow, and > it should be clear that any fixed-width design is a dead end. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Aug 2 13:21:01 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:21:17 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1872@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Roy is entirely correct about liquid layouts. It allows the user to make the choice. Kevin can have his 3.5 by 10 inch window if he wants it while another person can use the whole screen. Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:15 PM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution > > Kevin, > I think you've missed the main point of those who argue for > liquid layouts. > The point is to allow readers to decide for themselves what > makes sense for > them. A newspaper _must_ make a decision regarding column width, and > therefore they must create a "lowest common denominator" > style solution. But > with liquid layouts on the web, each individual user gets to > decide for > themselves what works best for them. What's not to like about > that? Why > force our users into one way of interacting with our sites when the > technology is offering us a better alternative? > Roy > From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Wed Aug 2 13:27:24 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:27:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: I think at some point we need to make a "serving suggestion," though. Liquid layouts are great in that they allow a user to experience the content in the way they're most comfortable with, but when they become detrimental to the usability of the site, I would question their effectiveness. We're not *forcing* anyone to experience our content in one way - especially if we're doing completely CSS-based layouts. However, I do think it's up to designers to think about the esoteric points of usability (optimal line-lengths is not something I overhear in conversations on the bus...) so that the users don't have to. Doing that means that you have to control some (many?) aspects of the experience, but AS LONG as you don't lock a user into that one way (using tables for layout is the first example I can think of) I think you're fine. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: August 2, 2006 1:15 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Kevin, I think you've missed the main point of those who argue for liquid layouts. The point is to allow readers to decide for themselves what makes sense for them. A newspaper _must_ make a decision regarding column width, and therefore they must create a "lowest common denominator" style solution. But with liquid layouts on the web, each individual user gets to decide for themselves what works best for them. What's not to like about that? Why force our users into one way of interacting with our sites when the technology is offering us a better alternative? Roy On 8/2/06 10:00 AM, "Kevin.Cullen@UCHSC.edu" wrote: > I would argue that wide-screen monitors are becoming an argument in > favor of fixed-width layouts. On my 21" 1680 x 1050 LCD monitor, a Web > site set to 80%-100% width is so wide that the text is unreadable. > Granted, I don't normally have my browser window maximized on that > monitor, but some people might. > > Research has shown that the optimal width of text is 3.5 to 10 inches* > (8.9 to 25.4cm). Anything longer is too hard to read. In an age when > monitors are getting wider, and people are running two windows side by > side, we can't make any presumptions about the width of their browser > windows. On my monitor, a line of text could be as much as 48cm (18.9 > inches) long. That's way too much. > > Think about broadsheet newspapers: They put text content in relatively > narrow columns. Images are wider. Newspaper readers can adjust their > width by folding the paper, and still be able to read the content > reasonably well. Web designers should aim for the same. > > * See this link: http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/nov02.asp > > - Kevin Cullen > Denison Memorial Library - UCDHSC > kevin.cullen@uchsc.edu > 303-315-0739 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:04:38 -0400 > From: Thomas Dowling > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Message-ID: <44CF7B96.3020608@ohiolink.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Just pay close attention to Nielsen's definition of "optimize for > 1024x768". What this article doesn't make clear is that the number of > users with 1280x1024 screens or above is roughly the same as the > number with 800x600. So if just the commonly seen display > environments range to 150% of the low end, there's clearly no single > width that fits enough users to justify the number you're ticking off. > Factor the likely changes to font sizes (more pixels to work with -> > more pixels per character -> higher resolution text at the same > physical size), and the increasing unpredictablity of *window* sizes > as screen sizes grow, and it should be clear that any fixed-width design is a dead end. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From cirwin at criminal-sound.com Wed Aug 2 13:43:34 2006 From: cirwin at criminal-sound.com (Charlie Irwin) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:41:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D0E446.7080802@criminal-sound.com> Reading the article that Kevin Cullen referred to in his post, I was struck by the thought that it might not be "line length" per se but the arc of eye movement that was important. This would mean that the most efficient line length would be governed - in part - by distance of the eye from the text, as opposed to a fixed figure such as 3.5 inches, or what ever. Just a thought. Charlie Irwin cirwin@criminal-sound.com From ryaneby at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 13:42:20 2006 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:42:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen this discussed on many design sites. Some are using hybrid layouts with areas that have a max-width (and hacks to get browsers to obey). Some are basing it on font-size so that it can still get larger even with max-width. And I've seen others even make it so that the layout itself changes to more columns or similar layouts depending on the space allowed. Most of these are more complex and require more testing so I'm not surprised they haven't caught on. I've seen these layouts called elastic, flexible, jello and zoom. A google search should bring up some examples. Ryan Eby On 8/2/06, Hankinson, Andrew wrote: > I think at some point we need to make a "serving suggestion," though. > Liquid layouts are great in that they allow a user to experience the > content in the way they're most comfortable with, but when they become > detrimental to the usability of the site, I would question their > effectiveness. > > We're not *forcing* anyone to experience our content in one way - > especially if we're doing completely CSS-based layouts. However, I do > think it's up to designers to think about the esoteric points of > usability (optimal line-lengths is not something I overhear in > conversations on the bus...) so that the users don't have to. Doing > that means that you have to control some (many?) aspects of the > experience, but AS LONG as you don't lock a user into that one way > (using tables for layout is the first example I can think of) I think > you're fine. > From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Wed Aug 2 13:43:31 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Wed Aug 2 13:45:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Paradox of Choice Message-ID: I don't know how many people have seen this video, but if you've got an hour to spare I would highly recommend it. It is Professor Barry Schwartz at Google doing a Tech Talk about the Paradox of Choice, and why "More is Less." http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6127548813950043200&q=paradox+of+ choice The recent (and ongoing) discussion on liquid vs. fixed-width layout reminded me of it, but I think the implications of what he discusses are far reaching. (One of the things I thought about when watching this was how this affected OPAC design - too much choice of what to do in the OPAC overwhelms the user so they go elsewhere where another body (Google) acts as a choice agent taking care of most of their decisions.) I saw many other implications for libraries as well. With regards to the liquid layout argument, I think that sometimes, although it seems counter-intuitive to our democratically and freedom-oriented mind, we have to act as 'benevolent dictators.' We have to make choices (based on research) for users because that frees them to concentrate on their specific concern rather than the noodly little bits in-between their information need and the information source. So, yes, users get more freedom over choosing how their content is presented with a liquid layout, but really they don't care if the page is 800px wide or 2000px wide - they just want the content. The benevolent dictator part comes in where we give optimal environments based on research and understanding of information presentation, but we don't force the user - if they want to change it, they can. I would be willing to bet 99% of users won't. From tapinformation at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:55:52 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Aug 2 15:55:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: OPAL Online Program on Censorship Message-ID: <20060802195552.15570.qmail@web82102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Next month there will be an exciting presentation and discussion about censorship, libraries, and democracy. Details are below. For a current list of all upcoming OPAL online programs, including hotlinks into the online room and background information, please visit the following URL: http://www.opal-online.org/progschrono.htm Wednesday, September 7, 2006 beginning at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, noon Central, 11:00 a.m. Mountain, 10:00 a.m. Pacific, and 5:00 p.m. GMT: Censorship: How It Affects Libraries and Library Patrons in a Democracy Melora Norman, the Outreach/Special Services Coordinator for the Maine State Library will discuss issues surrounding censorship, how it affects library patrons, and how it functions within the parameters of a democracy. Sponsor: Johnson County Library Location: OPAL Auditorium There is no need to register, and there is no charge. Thanks. Tom Peters, OPAL Coodinator TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From tapinformation at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 16:14:18 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Aug 2 16:14:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: OPAL Program Featuring Author Kate DiCamillo Message-ID: <20060802201418.99753.qmail@web82108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Newbery Medal winning author Kate DiCamillo will be discussing her books and her craft online (and in person) on Saturday, September 16. Details are below. For a complete list of upcoming OPAL online programs, including hotlinks into the online room and background information, please visit the following URL: http://www.opal-online.org/progschrono.htm Saturday September 16, 2006 beginning at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 2:00 Central, 1:00 Mountain, noon Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: Meet the Author: Kate DiCamillo Award-winning author Kate DiCamillo will be visiting Johnson County Library and her presentation at the Central Resource Library will be broadcast via OPAL. Her books include The Tale of Desperaux, winner of the 2004 Newbery Medal, and Because of Winn Dixie, a 2001 Newbery honor book. Sponsor: Johnson County Library Location: OPAL Auditorium There is no need to register for this online event, and there is no registration fee. Tom Peters, OPAL Coordinator TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From pwillett at umich.edu Wed Aug 2 17:20:19 2006 From: pwillett at umich.edu (Perry Willett) Date: Wed Aug 2 17:20:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Services Manager at the University of Michigan libraries Message-ID: <006c01c6b679$75583190$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> (Apologies for cross-posting) The full position description, with information on qualifications, salary, rank, and application process can be found at: The University of Michigan University Library seeks a Web Systems Manager. The Web Systems Manager is responsible for coordinating a diverse set of web-based technologies that comprise a large part in the University Library's overall web environment. Provides direction for the development, implementation and deployment of web-based technologies, and works with the Web Content Manager and others to provide an optimal presentation of web-based services to users. (45%) The Web Systems Manager supervises the work of Web Systems programming staff and provides coordination and support to the unit level Library webmasters, including the design and delivery of appropriate training, in conjunction with other staff as needed. In this role, provides maintenance and oversight of shared resources and web tools (e.g., locally-developed software libraries, etc.). (25%) The Web Systems Manager holds responsibility for monitoring, identifying and communicating innovations in uses of the web for the delivery of resources, services and information. Participates in relevant conferences and meetings, making presentations where appropriate. (15%) Coordinates and tracks workflow, schedules, projects and committee decisions. The Web Systems Manager works effectively with other campus web architecture and service groups, including evolving portals and customized tools. (15%) QUALIFICATIONS: REQUIRED: * An ALA-accredited Master's degree in Library or Information Science; or an equivalent combination of a relevant advanced degree and experience. * Demonstrated ability to develop effective complex web sites. * Demonstrated skills in project management, consensus building and problem solving, as well as technical project leadership experience. * Supervisory and project management skills. * Solid understanding of the role and potential of technology for the design and delivery of information resources and services. * Experience in the provision of multiple services and resources in a web-based environment. * Knowledge of and experience with XML, XSLT and CSS and dynamically built webpages * Familiarity with programming languages, such as Perl, PHP, Java or C++ * Experience designing and implementing interactive databases, including experience with SQL databases (e.g., MySQL) * Facility with software tools used in building and assessing web resources and services (e.g. design, statistics, data gathering). * Demonstrated ability to work effectively with culturally diverse organization. Information on how to apply for this position can be found at: Perry Willett Head, Digital Library Production Service 300 Hatcher North University of Michigan Ann Arbor MI 48109-1205 Ph: 734-764-8074 Fax: 734-647-6897 Email: pwillett@umich.edu From ssbauschard2 at aol.com Wed Aug 2 20:41:15 2006 From: ssbauschard2 at aol.com (ssbauschard2@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 2 20:41:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] New Site: www.debatingterrorism.org In-Reply-To: <0600FBC573ABAA4B8042C9FA002E886701A8E28D@2k3-thor.ad.ppld.org> Message-ID: <8C884ACA9160AB6-628-16026@FWM-R26.sysops.aol.com> Hi, I hope you take a minute to check out my new site -- debatingterrorism.org Key excerpts from key public web articles on the war on terror that are indexed by topic. Stefan Bauschard Planet Debate.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From ssalomone at metro.org Wed Aug 2 23:12:54 2006 From: ssalomone at metro.org (Susan Salomone) Date: Wed Aug 2 23:14:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] New METRO Job Magnet Posting: WorldLinq Coordinator (Queens Library) Message-ID: <554357B7B96BAA49804958495975A7DD91D4F3@ceres.metro.org> Please excuse cross-postings. This message is being posted to multiple lists. The Queens Library recently posted a METRO Job Magnet announcement for the World Linq Coordinator. The METRO Magnet is the online job bank and career center maintained by the Metropolitan New York Library Council (www.metro.org). For more information about the position and the application process, please see the announcement at http://www.vv-vv.com/metro/N22067OR.cfm?A=Display&ID=N22067J980398&Stoken=51711436&CurrentPage=1. Other jobs and RSS subscription information may be found by visiting the METRO Magnet home page at www.metro.org/magnet. Please note that the RSS feed is now at http://mercury.metro.org/rss/AK5B-latestposting.xml . Thank you. Susan Salomone METRO Magnet Project Manager ssalomone@metro.org Metropolitan New York Library Council From jonathan at dnil.net Thu Aug 3 02:22:56 2006 From: jonathan at dnil.net (Jonathan Rochkind) Date: Thu Aug 3 02:22:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Paradox of Choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:43 PM -0400 8/2/06, Hankinson, Andrew wrote: >So, yes, users get more freedom over choosing how their content is >presented with a liquid layout, but really they don't care if the page >is 800px wide or 2000px wide - they just want the content. The They care if the page is 2000px wide if their monitor is only 1000px wide. So-called 'liquid layout' is as much about making the presentation work under the user's constraints as it is about giving the user choice. A good liquid layout will still put in it's own constraints. I agree that the practice of good design is about making choices, not just providing the user with choices. A good layout, in my opinion, will for instance keep a column of text from getting so WIDE that it's too dificult to read, even if the user has their window at 2000px. Even better than limiting the column size to pixels, you should make the limit based on the font-size (using 'ems'), becuase some user's require a larger font, and the maximum readable column is more pixels with a larger font. There are guides on the web for doing all these things, although unfortunately inconsistent browser implementation makes them more trouble than they should be. But a good liquid layout does all of that. For example. Whether in print or on the web, good design means making choices, implementing your own constraints. I agree. But on the web, unlike in print, you can't be sure what constraints the user is operating under (or maybe it's just that the web has the potential to accomodate more constraints). It just seems obvious to me that good design on the web means a design that will work if the user has a small window, or if the user has a big window; or if the user is vision-impaired and needs to increase the size of the font; or use a screen-reader or a voice-input device. Much of this is not about letting the user change things---it's about making the page work under the settings the user operates under and probably rarely or never changes (size of monitor, increased size of font, etc.). Most of this is not about abdicating the designer's responsibility, in fact it gives the designer even greater responsibility to make sure the design works in a greater variety of environments. Jonathan >benevolent dictator part comes in where we give optimal environments >based on research and understanding of information presentation, but we >don't force the user - if they want to change it, they can. I would be >willing to bet 99% of users won't. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kengwall at catawba.edu Thu Aug 3 11:12:12 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:12:17 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From what I've read on design sites, the general consensus appears to be that both liquid and fixed layouts are flawed, and it's up to you to decide which flaws you prefer (and both sides have very passionate advocates). Min and max widths, once they are universally supported, appear to be the best solution. The good news is that IE 7 is reported to support these, so eventually (not necessarily soon, but eventually), this debate will shift over to how to support legacy browsers, and the consensus there is that it needs to look good but not perfect, and *both* of these layouts fall under that category. Keith -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:42 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: RE: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution I've seen this discussed on many design sites. Some are using hybrid layouts with areas that have a max-width (and hacks to get browsers to obey). Some are basing it on font-size so that it can still get larger even with max-width. And I've seen others even make it so that the layout itself changes to more columns or similar layouts depending on the space allowed. Most of these are more complex and require more testing so I'm not surprised they haven't caught on. I've seen these layouts called elastic, flexible, jello and zoom. A google search should bring up some examples. Ryan Eby On 8/2/06, Hankinson, Andrew wrote: > I think at some point we need to make a "serving suggestion," though. > Liquid layouts are great in that they allow a user to experience the > content in the way they're most comfortable with, but when they become > detrimental to the usability of the site, I would question their > effectiveness. > > We're not *forcing* anyone to experience our content in one way - > especially if we're doing completely CSS-based layouts. However, I do > think it's up to designers to think about the esoteric points of > usability (optimal line-lengths is not something I overhear in > conversations on the bus...) so that the users don't have to. Doing > that means that you have to control some (many?) aspects of the > experience, but AS LONG as you don't lock a user into that one way > (using tables for layout is the first example I can think of) I think > you're fine. > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 3 11:43:49 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:43:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D219B5.3000606@ohiolink.edu> On 8/3/2006 11:12 AM, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > ...Min and max widths, once they are universally supported, > appear to be the best solution. > > The good news is that IE 7 is reported to support these, so eventually > (not necessarily soon, but eventually), this debate will shift... Since Microsoft is promising/threatening (depending on your POV) to push IE7 out with their regular updates, the migration should go a lot faster than previous major IE upgrades. Of course, if you run a big bank of public workstations, you'll want to follow their announcements for how to opt out of the push update, and how to do it on your own schedule. -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From wprice at utpa.edu Thu Aug 3 11:55:40 2006 From: wprice at utpa.edu (Ward Price) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:55:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: Perhaps I've missed it in discussions on browsers and white space and such, but are there standards or guidelines out there somewhere for university library websites? I mean standards for content (subject guides, personal pages, hours, tutorials, forms, ask-a-librarian, etc.), organization (Research, Library Services, Library Information, or whatever), navigation elements (drop downs/pulldowns vs. mouseovers/fly outs) and positioning (top vs side), other items (videos, flash, podcast, etc.), design elements like those discussed recently, and all the other stuff that goes into websites. I'm interested in something like ACRL standards, which I cannot find, or some other recognized body like that. I've found guidelines and policies for individual institutions, and of course things like Jakob Nielsen's stuff and the Library Success Best practices Wiki, and lots of information on usability standards for the disabled, not to mention all the information available on this list. But are there "real guidelines from recognized authorities" that we should be following, or is it all matter of personal preference, six of one and half a dozen of another, and whatever works best for me today? Ward Price Web Librarian The University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, TX 78541 wprice@utpa.edu (956) 316-7046 From Jason-Griffey at utc.edu Thu Aug 3 12:23:29 2006 From: Jason-Griffey at utc.edu (Jason Griffey) Date: Thu Aug 3 12:23:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Chat Aggregators" for virtual reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665F21087112FC448EEA03CCC01880E0031A25D8@exch1.labdir.utc.edu> I'm still befuddled why so many libraries are choosing to use Trillian for this service...it's always struck me as far too overblown for usefulness. We're going to be using GAIM for our service, primarily because it's fast, easy, and open source (the big one). I'm not going to trust closed-source products unless I'm forced to. :-) Jason -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jon Goodell Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:21 AM To: Joy Weese Moll; Carole Pilkinton Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] "Chat Aggregators" for virtual reference You might try something simple like requiring employees to log off or shut down their computers when ending a shift. This would automatically close out Trillion and have the added benefit of securing computers from malicious use. Jon Goodell Technology Services & Reference Librarian Ottenheimer Library - Pulaski Technical College North Little Rock, AR 501-812-2718 jgoodell@pulaskitech.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joy Weese Moll Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:40 AM To: Carole Pilkinton Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] "Chat Aggregators" for virtual reference We are rolling out IM reference this fall. We've installed Trillian on the computers that we use at the Reference Desk. Our main reason for choosing Trillian over Meebo was that it seemed like the notification of an incoming chat was a bit more obvious. It's too soon to know the problems, but I can predict since we use three computers that it will be the shift transitions. If I'm running Trillian at one computer and we forget to make the transition to the computer that the next librarian uses, patrons will be IMing to a screen name that looks active but isn't actually being monitored. --Joy Joy Weese Moll Reference / Web Services Librarian Washington University in St. Louis On 7/27/06, Carole Pilkinton wrote: > > I would be interested in seeing these responses also, and hope you will > post to the list. Hopefully the subject line will make it easy to filter > out messages for those who aren't interested. The Reference and User > Services division of ALA is sponsoring a preconference for Annual 2007 > in DC, and we are looking for someone who can speak knowledgeably (and > of course enthusiastically) about this very topic--examples, tradeoffs, > benefits, challenges, etc. > Thank you for brining up the topic... > > > On 7/27/2006 7:54 AM Turner,Kathleen wrote the following: > > >We are looking into implementing virtual (chat) reference, using one of > >the instant messaging "aggregators" such as Trillian or Meebo. We are > >not interested at this time in any of the dedicated virtual reference > >products. > > > >Would any libraries (preferably academic) who are using such aggregators > >for online reference contact me? We're interested in learning why you > >selected the application you're using, what problems you may have > >encountered, etc. > > > >Please reply to my offlist; I will summarize answers for the list. > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >Kathleen H. Turner > >Web/Education Librarian > >W.W. Hagerty Library > >33rd and Market Streets > >Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875 > > > >Tel: 215.895.6783 > >Fax: 215.895.2070 > >Khturner@drexel.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Web4lib mailing list > >Web4lib@webjunction.org > >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > > -- > Carole Pilkinton > Electronic Resources Librarian > pilkinton.10@nd.edu > 574-631-8405 > 205 Hesburgh Library > University of Notre Dame > Notre Dame IN 46556 > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From southerr at usfca.edu Thu Aug 3 12:45:24 2006 From: southerr at usfca.edu (Randy Souther) Date: Thu Aug 3 12:45:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "Chat Aggregators" for virtual reference In-Reply-To: <665F21087112FC448EEA03CCC01880E0031A25D8@exch1.labdir.utc.edu> References: <665F21087112FC448EEA03CCC01880E0031A25D8@exch1.labdir.utc.edu> Message-ID: <250C3018-A881-4B03-9BB3-D1FCD2B9AE24@usfca.edu> We're using Gaim on PCs and Adium on Macs. We chose Gaim over Trillian as we wanted to be able to connect with Google Talk, among others, and the free version of Trillian does not have this capability. We've also loaded these applications on our public computers. http://www.usfca.edu/library/ask.html Randy Souther Reference Technology Librarian Gleeson Library | Geschke Center University of San Francisco southerr@usfca.edu 415-422-5388 On Aug 3, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Jason Griffey wrote: > > > I'm still befuddled why so many libraries are choosing to use Trillian > for this service...it's always struck me as far too overblown for > usefulness. > > We're going to be using GAIM for our service, primarily because it's > fast, easy, and open source (the big one). I'm not going to trust > closed-source products unless I'm forced to. :-) > > Jason From pshapiro at his.com Thu Aug 3 14:53:52 2006 From: pshapiro at his.com (Phil Shapiro) Date: Thu Aug 3 14:54:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] creative commons children's story in the news Message-ID: <1154631232.44d2464038c4e@webmail.his.com> hi web4lib community - the takoma gazette newspaper (in takoma park, maryland) has a very nice article this week about a collaborative storytelling project i've been involved with. see http://tinyurl.com/hujkn the article is about a rich media children's story that i've posted on the web at http://sammybook.blogspot.com if you know any storytelling enthuasists in the washington dc-area, do suggest that they stop by the takoma park maryland library to chat with me sometime. i work here mondays thru friday from noon to 6 pm. the address here is 101 philadelphia ave, takoma park, maryland 20912. (subway stop: Takoma, on the Red Line.) or people can send me an email to: pshapiro@his.com with the subject: storytelling - phil shapiro on the web site for the story at http://sammybook.blogspot.com you'll see that i list the web4lib email list as one of the communities i support. i'm hoping that might steer some web traffic to our community. for those who might be wondering, i created the story web site using the free blogger.com service, owned by google. when i need a quick, elegant web site, i set up another blog on blogger.com. it takes me about 2 minutes to do so. i currently have about 80 "blogs" on blogger.com (oops, i got a bit carried away, but the service is free and it suits my needs, so i use it. ) someday i'll teach myself web design using the free http://nvu.com program. until then, i'll be creatings "blogs" wholesale on blogger.com later in august i'll be submitting this rich media children's story to digg.com so that a wider group of people can learn about this project. if you don't yet have an account on digg, this is a good time to register for one. -- Phil Shapiro pshapiro@his.com http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/pshapiro http://philsrssfeed.blogspot.com http://www.his.com/pshapiro/stories.menu.html "Wisdom starts with wonder." - Socrates "Learning happens through gentleness." From houghton at plsinfo.org Thu Aug 3 19:33:03 2006 From: houghton at plsinfo.org (Houghton, Sarah) Date: Thu Aug 3 19:33:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? Message-ID: Are there any libraries who are successfully using Drupal, and all the associated components, as their CMS on a Windows 2003 IIS 6 server? A Windows server in general? We're in the beginning stages of totally redesigning our site from the ground up and want to use Drupal, but have concerns about the server we currently have access to. I found installation instructions on the Black Mountain blog (http://www.blkmtn.org/node/197), but there is much more documentation on Linux installations. From scanning the blogs and forums, it seems that people have had some hiccups with Drupal on Windows, and we're concerned that we may be painting ourselves into a nasty corner if we choose to use a Windows server. Any feedback or input is helpful. Sarah Houghton Information and Web Services Manager San Mateo County Library From megsjohnson at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 19:33:37 2006 From: megsjohnson at yahoo.com (Megan Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 3 19:33:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: 800x600 Browser Resolution- Now standards In-Reply-To: <20060803160009.920A8189AF4@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <20060803233337.69355.qmail@web30409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ward, As far as things like navigational elements, or use of flash, defer to W3C specifications and guidelines. They are a "real recognized" authority : ) Although part of web design is personal preference, a good library site is user centered. It can be judged on the quality of content and if users can find things- so "whatever works for me today" is not a solid benchmark : ) It sounds like you've found examples of university libraries web policies that cover things like appropriate content, review schedules, templates, colors etc...those are a great place to start in creating your own institution's standards and guidelines. Good luck, Megan Johnson Web Services Librarian Appalachian State University Boone, NC > > From: Ward Price > Subject: RE: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:55:40 -0500 > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > > Perhaps I've missed it in discussions on browsers > and white space and > such, but are there standards or guidelines out > there somewhere for > university library websites? I mean standards for > content (subject > guides, personal pages, hours, tutorials, forms, > ask-a-librarian, etc.), > organization (Research, Library Services, Library > Information, or > whatever), navigation elements (drop downs/pulldowns > vs. mouseovers/fly > outs) and positioning (top vs side), other items > (videos, flash, > podcast, etc.), design elements like those discussed > recently, and all > the other stuff that goes into websites. I'm > interested in something > like ACRL standards, which I cannot find, or some > other recognized body > like that. I've found guidelines and policies for > individual > institutions, and of course things like Jakob > Nielsen's stuff and the > Library Success Best practices Wiki, and lots of > information on > usability standards for the disabled, not to mention > all the information > available on this list. But are there "real > guidelines from recognized > authorities" that we should be following, or is it > all matter of > personal preference, six of one and half a dozen of > another, and > whatever works best for me today? > > > > Ward Price > > Web Librarian > > The University of Texas-Pan American > > > Edinburg, TX 78541 > > wprice@utpa.edu > > (956) 316-7046 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kayiwa at uic.edu Thu Aug 3 19:43:36 2006 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Thu Aug 3 19:43:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F6FFF15-C831-45B0-8434-066D42E33439@uic.edu> On Aug 3, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Houghton, Sarah wrote: > Are there any libraries who are successfully using Drupal, and all the > associated components, as their CMS on a Windows 2003 IIS 6 server? A > Windows server in general? > > > > We're in the beginning stages of totally redesigning our site from the > ground up and want to use Drupal, but have concerns about the > server we > currently have access to. I found installation instructions on the > Black Mountain blog (http://www.blkmtn.org/node/197), but there is > much > more documentation on Linux installations. From scanning the blogs > and > forums, it seems that people have had some hiccups with Drupal on > Windows, and we're concerned that we may be painting ourselves into a > nasty corner if we choose to use a Windows server. > > > > Any feedback or input is helpful. Disclaimer: Windows is just an "occupational hazard" for me :-) so I have never done what I am about to recommend. How about installing the WAMP server? Windows, Apache, MySQL, PHP http://www.en.wampserver.com/ Installing Drupal should be fairly straightforward from there. regards, Francis From lpertle at stanford.edu Thu Aug 3 20:42:25 2006 From: lpertle at stanford.edu (Lora Pertle) Date: Thu Aug 3 20:42:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Available: Web Production Specialist -- Stanford University School of Medicine Message-ID: <44D297F1.4030704@stanford.edu> Lane Medical Library/Knowledge Management Center at the Stanford University School of Medicine is seeking a candidate for a Web Production Specialist position. If you are interested in applying, please visit our Stanford Jobs website -- Web Production Specialist The Stanford University School of Medicine's Lane Medical Library/Knowledge Management Center creates opportunities for discovery, translation, learning and collaboration by providing faculty, staff, and students with easy, efficient access to in-context knowledge whenever and wherever it is needed to support patient care, education and research. As part of the School's Office of Information Resources and Technology (IRT), the KMC focuses on acquisition and integration of knowledge sources, consultation and instruction in information finding and manipulation, learning spaces and computing labs, and technology support for the curriculum. The Web Production Specialist is a matrix report to the Associate Dean, Knowledge Management/Director, Lane Medical Library and the Associate Director for Research and Instruction. This position will: ** Work as part of an interactive team to create an integrated, dynamic web application that connects the Stanford biomedical community to knowledge at the point of care, research and learning. ** Manage the daily the web production content and processes. ** Work closely with content curators and system developers to document process requirements and outcomes. Maintain and insure the design, style and format guide and technical documentation based on adopted standards. Train and support curators as needed including development of new tools to simplify processes. ** Lead specific web projects from project requirements to successful implementation. Work with partners within the school to document requirements for integration into the library web environment and exposure of content and services in partner web sites. ** Investigate and develop implementation plan for new web technologies that enable greater interactivity, integration and search functionality in the library's web presence. ** Create proper testing and quality assurance procedures. Track usage trends, perform usability studies, and develop specifications for change. ** Technical support to curators related to web content and services development. ** Collaborate with other professional staff to perform outreach and communicate information about the library's content and services to specific user populations. ** Special projects as assigned. **Responsibilities:** ** Web content development and coordination of the production process, including documentation and support for content and application support to editors. Working with library and knowledge management team members, establish goals and standards for graphics, content, and usability. Research, analyze, and implement the use of new technologies to enhance web applications for biomedical faculty, students, and staff. Monitor website content use via WebTrends and other tools. Analyzes reports, identify trends, and makes recommendations for strategic realignment of website content. ** Project management for specific projects, including timelines, documentation, and specifications. Manage a variety of technical projects and ensure that projects are completed on or ahead of schedule. Coordinate with other team members to assure excellent communication among project teams. ** Build relationships with assigned departments for outreach, teaching, and special projects. Provide instruction and consultation using and interpreting a wide variety of information resources and information management tools. Participates in direct delivery of service to insure web and other tools streamline delivery through web-based content and interactive tools. ** Qualifications:** ** Required: BS in Information Science, Systems or Computer Science with relevant experience in the information industry or libraries, or the equivalent combination of education and experience. Desired: MS in Library & Information Science with relevant experience in web content coordination or production. ** Two to three years related experience required. ** Two years experience in a web production environment. ** Two years project management experience including ability to gather project requirements and create documentation preferred. ** Advanced knowledge of internet technologies, tools and trends, digital library practices, and content management systems. ** Expert level knowledge in automated website production technologies (e.g., XML, CSS, XSLT, RSS, blogs, proxy servers). Experience with JavaScript preferred. ** Experience in tracking usage data and conducting usability studies. ** Experience in working in a Unix environment. ** Must be able to hand code HTML, including cross-platform compatibility issues, optimization, HTML editing software, and graphics manipulation. ** Must be able to handle multiple concurrent projects for more than one program manager, conduct effective meetings, and manage deadlines. ** Ability to teach and present to adult learners and liaison with diverse user groups. ** Ability to think critically in analyzing problems and developing resourceful solutions. ** Ability to work in and lead cross-discipline teams to achieve common goals. ** Understanding of the web-based information resources for the academic environment. ** Experience in biomedical libraries or a biomedical background desired. -- Lora Pertle Director of Finance and Administration Information Resources and Technology (IRT) Stanford University School of Medicine t: 650.723.0362 f: 650.725.4415 e: lpertle@stanford.edu u: http://med.stanford.edu/irt From leo at leoklein.com Thu Aug 3 21:29:38 2006 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Thu Aug 3 21:29:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D2A302.9060300@leoklein.com> Houghton, Sarah wrote: > Are there any libraries who are successfully using Drupal, and all the > associated components, as their CMS on a Windows 2003 IIS 6 server? A > Windows server in general? > > > > We're in the beginning stages of totally redesigning our site from the > ground up and want to use Drupal, but have concerns about the server we > currently have access to. I found installation instructions on the > Black Mountain blog (http://www.blkmtn.org/node/197), but there is much > more documentation on Linux installations. From scanning the blogs and > forums, it seems that people have had some hiccups with Drupal on > Windows, and we're concerned that we may be painting ourselves into a > nasty corner if we choose to use a Windows server. Why go with IIS? Do you have something else running on it? That said, it's not too difficult (in the grand scheme of things) to install it running IIS. Once you've got PHP & MySQL running (already a miracle), it's pretty straight forward. I'm sure you've seen the Installation pages on Drupal itself: http://drupal.org/node/263 In any case, the best approach would be to set up a "development" server and iron out all the problems on that first. You then copy the Drupal files to the production server and upload the database as well using something like MySQL Administrator. Repeat ten times. It's best that you get comfortable with this process as upgrades to Drupal come fairly frequently. Also have a good look at what "modules" you'll be needing -- and whether they've been upgraded to 4.7. If not, you might want to think about sticking with 4.6 for the moment. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From jhwang at iis.sinica.edu.tw Thu Aug 3 23:34:27 2006 From: jhwang at iis.sinica.edu.tw (Chris Wang) Date: Thu Aug 3 23:35:39 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Call for Participation: ICDAT 2006 Message-ID: <009501c6b776$e432b470$c7156d8c@1515IBMX24> Sorry if you receive multiple copies of this message. ------------------------------------------------------ Call for Participation ********************** 2006 International Conference on Digital Archive Technologies (ICDAT 2006) Main Theme: Bridging Technology and Content in Digital Archive 19-20 October 2006 Institute of Information Science, Academia Sinica, Taipei, Taiwan -------------------- Sponsored by -------------------- Technology R/D Division, National Digital Archives Program Office, Taiwan Content Development Division, National Digital Archives Program Office, Taiwan Academia Sinica, Taiwan National Science Council, Taiwan Association for Computational Linguistics and Chinese Language Processing, Taiwan URL: http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/ICDAT06/ -------------------- About the Conference -------------------- Digital archives/libraries are widely recognized as a crucial component of a global information infrastructure for the new century. Research and development projects in many parts of the world are concerned about using advanced information technologies for managing and manipulating digitized cultural heritage and valuable documents, ranging from data storage, preservation, indexing, searching, presentation, and dissemination capabilities to organizing and sharing of such valuable content over networks. ICDAT 2006 is the fourth in a series of International Conferences on Digital Archive Technologies sponsored by the National Digital Archives Program, Taiwan. The goal of this conference is to provide unique opportunities for participants to share their research results and best practices in the utilization of advanced technologies for and the approaches to the development of digital archives/libraries/museums. -------------------- Conference Chairman -------------------- Dr. Der-Tsai Lee, Academia Sinica -------------------- Program Co-Chairs -------------------- Prof. Chu-Song Chen, Academia Sinica Prof. Hsin-Min Wang, Academia Sinica Prof. Peng-Sheng Chiu, Academia Sinica Prof. Daw-Ming Lee, Taipei National University of the Arts -------------------- Contact Person -------------------- Ms. Tze-Hui Huang Institute of Information Science Academia Sinica, Nankang, Taipei, Taiwan Tel: 886-2-27883799 ext. 1654 Fax: 886-2-27824814 E-mail: mandyhth@iis.sinica.edu.tw From sek2 at Lehigh.EDU Fri Aug 4 08:37:23 2006 From: sek2 at Lehigh.EDU (Stacey Kimmel) Date: Fri Aug 4 08:37:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Message-ID: <44D33F83.9020408@lehigh.edu> Hi, Our Student Affairs office has asked us to create an online form that permits students to anonymously submit reports of harassment/intolerance on our campus. We're finding this request to be somewhat problematic. It seems misleading to claim the report is anonymous if sender info can be traced by our systems office. Also it is the sort of thing that is likely to be abused in some way. In those intstances we could be asked to trace the source of the abuse -- an administrative headache. I'm interested to hear if anyone out there has fielded this kind of request and/or developed a solution that satisfies the needs of the requesting client. Stacey Kimmel-Smith Lehigh University sek2@lehigh.edu From wforgette at linc.lib.il.us Fri Aug 4 09:51:11 2006 From: wforgette at linc.lib.il.us (William Forgette) Date: Fri Aug 4 09:51:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009001c6b7cd$0babb960$490e010a@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> Yes, we are. As long as you read the notes at Drupal regarding installing on IIS it should be absolutely fine. Additionally, it was NOT a problem to install and configure mysql and php on the windows 2003/IIS combo like it was with previous versions of windows and IIS. --- William A. Forgette Computer Services Department Head Bloomingdale Public Library 101 Fairfield Way Bloomingdale, IL 60107 http://www.bloomingdale.lib.il.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Houghton, Sarah Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:33 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? Are there any libraries who are successfully using Drupal, and all the associated components, as their CMS on a Windows 2003 IIS 6 server? A Windows server in general? We're in the beginning stages of totally redesigning our site from the ground up and want to use Drupal, but have concerns about the server we currently have access to. I found installation instructions on the Black Mountain blog (http://www.blkmtn.org/node/197), but there is much more documentation on Linux installations. From scanning the blogs and forums, it seems that people have had some hiccups with Drupal on Windows, and we're concerned that we may be painting ourselves into a nasty corner if we choose to use a Windows server. Any feedback or input is helpful. Sarah Houghton Information and Web Services Manager San Mateo County Library _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Fri Aug 4 09:59:58 2006 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (robin) Date: Fri Aug 4 09:59:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form In-Reply-To: <44D33F83.9020408@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: <00c401c6b7ce$4560de00$5006010a@scplnet.lib.il.us> Not only an administrative headache but, I suspect, a potential liability nightmare as well. I do think you should have some legal advice on this. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Stacey Kimmel Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:37 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Hi, Our Student Affairs office has asked us to create an online form that permits students to anonymously submit reports of harassment/intolerance on our campus. We're finding this request to be somewhat problematic. It seems misleading to claim the report is anonymous if sender info can be traced by our systems office. Also it is the sort of thing that is likely to be abused in some way. In those intstances we could be asked to trace the source of the abuse -- an administrative headache. I'm interested to hear if anyone out there has fielded this kind of request and/or developed a solution that satisfies the needs of the requesting client. Stacey Kimmel-Smith Lehigh University sek2@lehigh.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kengwall at catawba.edu Fri Aug 4 10:22:50 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Fri Aug 4 10:22:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form In-Reply-To: <00c401c6b7ce$4560de00$5006010a@scplnet.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <20687184.1154701370350.JavaMail.root@mail1.catawba.edu> In order to maintain a balance, you may want to include a disclaimer.? The U of Virginia Women's Center Anonymous Report Form has a disclaimer that you might be able to use as an example: http://womenscenter.virginia.edu/sdvs/legalrights/report.htm Such a disclaimer would be a good idea in any case, since there's always the potential for unforseen circumstances.? But particularly if you want the ability to trace abuses, you'd have to deliberately allow the form to be traceable. Good luck, Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of robin Sent: Fri, 8/4/2006 9:59am To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Not only an administrative headache but, I suspect, a potential liability nightmare as well. I do think you should have some legal advice on this. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Stacey Kimmel Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:37 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Hi, Our Student Affairs office has asked us to create an online form that permits students to anonymously submit reports of harassment/intolerance on our campus. We're finding this request to be somewhat problematic. It seems misleading to claim the report is anonymous if sender info can be traced by our systems office. Also it is the sort of thing that is likely to be abused in some way. In those intstances we could be asked to trace the source of the abuse -- an administrative headache. I'm interested to hear if anyone out there has fielded this kind of request and/or developed a solution that satisfies the needs of the requesting client. Stacey Kimmel-Smith Lehigh University sek2@lehigh.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Fri Aug 4 10:30:21 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Fri Aug 4 10:30:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Message-ID: In addition to legal advice and disclaimers, you may also look into hosting it on a secure server. While the IP address may be traceable, the content of the "anonymous post" would be encrypted so that even the systems folks couldn't read it. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall Sent: August 4, 2006 10:23 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form In order to maintain a balance, you may want to include a disclaimer.? The U of Virginia Women's Center Anonymous Report Form has a disclaimer that you might be able to use as an example: http://womenscenter.virginia.edu/sdvs/legalrights/report.htm Such a disclaimer would be a good idea in any case, since there's always the potential for unforseen circumstances.? But particularly if you want the ability to trace abuses, you'd have to deliberately allow the form to be traceable. Good luck, Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of robin Sent: Fri, 8/4/2006 9:59am To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Not only an administrative headache but, I suspect, a potential liability nightmare as well. I do think you should have some legal advice on this. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Stacey Kimmel Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:37 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form Hi, Our Student Affairs office has asked us to create an online form that permits students to anonymously submit reports of harassment/intolerance on our campus. We're finding this request to be somewhat problematic. It seems misleading to claim the report is anonymous if sender info can be traced by our systems office. Also it is the sort of thing that is likely to be abused in some way. In those intstances we could be asked to trace the source of the abuse -- an administrative headache. I'm interested to hear if anyone out there has fielded this kind of request and/or developed a solution that satisfies the needs of the requesting client. Stacey Kimmel-Smith Lehigh University sek2@lehigh.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From JLOLIS at wppl.lib.ny.us Fri Aug 4 12:07:41 2006 From: JLOLIS at wppl.lib.ny.us (John Lolis) Date: Fri Aug 4 12:11:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] printer pool and public access management software Message-ID: Laurie, We've been using EnvisionWare's LPT:One along with their PCReservation system for at least four years now, and overall have been very pleased with it. It's not to say that the system is not without its quirks... but they're quite minor, especially when one considers all the features it offers. In addition, the support from EnvisionWare has been outstanding. Our system used to be set up to allow two 60 minute sessions a day, but this year we switched to minutes-based sessions so that a patron can have as many sessions as they like in a day, up to a two hour total limit. The environment consists of 43 public access PCs (27 adult; 16 children), three printers (one color), a management console and two reservation/print release stations. Both Win2K and WinXP are being used. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be glad to answer them. John Lolis Electronic Services Specialist White Plains Public Library 100 Martine Avenue White Plains, NY 10601 E-Mail: jlolis@wppl.lib.ny.us Tel: 1.914.422.1409 Fax: 1.914.422.1452 http://www.whiteplainslibrary.org/ >>> "Lori Ayre" 7/31/2006 4:26:50 PM >>> LPT: One from Envisionware is a product I've seen in a lot of libraries and most people are pretty happy with it. Like SAM, Envisionware has a whole set of modules that work nicely together. Lots of people switching off CybrayN to Envisionware (or SAM). Lori Ayre On 7/31/06, Laurie Louis wrote: > > Is there is anyone out there who is currently running a printer pool for > public use in combination with using public access management software > (we are using the SAM system for pc signup and print management)? We are > thinking of setting up a printer pool and would welcome any information > from libraries with experience in this area. We are a Win2003 server, > mixed W2K & XP client environment. TIA, Laurie > > -- > .......................... > Laurie Louis, A+, Network+ > Computer Support Specialist > > Albany Public Library > 161 Washington Avenue > Albany, N.Y. 12210 > > 518.427.4341 > 518.449.3386 (fax) > louisl@uhls.lib.ny.us > www.albanypubliclibrary.org > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- ============================ Lori Bowen Ayre (via gmail) visit Mentat, my blog, at http://galecia.com/weblog _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From houghton at plsinfo.org Fri Aug 4 12:34:14 2006 From: houghton at plsinfo.org (Houghton, Sarah) Date: Fri Aug 4 12:34:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? References: <44D2A302.9060300@leoklein.com> Message-ID: Mr. Klein asked "Why go with IIS? Do you have something else running on it?" The server isn't ours, strictly speaking. I started here at the San Mateo County Library four months ago, and found that the library runs its website on a server owned and managed by our consortium (the Peninsula Library System). Most of the member libraries, with one exception I believe, run their sites on the consortium's server. We currently don't have direct access to the server, although I've pushed for that to change and it should be soon. The server is what it is. Why they have chosen IIS, I don't know. I'm trying to gauge whether or not what they're providing us with is able to handle what we need as we move to Drupal. If not, then we'd need to outsource our hosting. Sarah Houghton From leo at leoklein.com Fri Aug 4 12:48:27 2006 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Fri Aug 4 12:48:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: References: <44D2A302.9060300@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <44D37A5B.3040408@leoklein.com> Houghton, Sarah wrote: > Mr. Klein asked "Why go with IIS? Do you have something else running on it?" > > The server isn't ours, strictly speaking. Well, IIS is fine. They simply might be comfortable in a Windows/ASP environment. Make-or-break for Drupal is whether they're able to run PHP and MySQL. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com From library at sjcnc.org Fri Aug 4 13:10:09 2006 From: library at sjcnc.org (Bishop O'Rourke Library) Date: Fri Aug 4 13:08:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] making images ecards on website References: <44D2A302.9060300@leoklein.com> <44D37A5B.3040408@leoklein.com> Message-ID: <010601c6b7e8$da3bb6c0$a100a8c0@library> I'm working on a website for an individual who would like to allow visitors to email images from the website as ecards. Hoping for some hints about how this is this usually done. Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction! Melissa Martinez Librarian, Bishop O'Rourke Library St. John's Catholic Newman Center Phone: (217) 255-6610 Email: library@sjcnc.org From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Aug 4 13:45:27 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Fri Aug 4 13:45:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c6b7ed$c60471b0$6401a8c0@venus> > The server is what it is. Why they have chosen IIS, I don't know. I'm > trying to gauge whether or not what they're providing us with is able to > handle what we need as we move to Drupal. If not, then we'd need to > outsource our hosting. > > Sarah Houghton We had a good discussion last week about matching system capabilities to library needs. Since that time, one librarian wrote me to ask if they couldn't do XYZ at their library, did that mean they needed a different host? Well, I said, maybe... I know Sarah well enough to anticipate her response to this, but the question really goes beyond Drupal: the question is does this network operating environment--not just its OS but its access controls, installations, management, bandwidth, disk space, support, etc.--have what Sarah's place needs for the, shall we say, implementable future. That might include extensions to Drupal, wiki and blogging software, and who knows what else, all combined with increased demands on disk space and bandwidth, and possibly on support. For example, does this mean the consortium will now have to install and maintain PHP and MySQL, and are they willing/able to do so? Or do they already have these available? This is neither a pro- or anti-Windows post; it's a comment about matching services with needs. It could well be that the shortest, easiest, most cost-effective path to Sarah's library's needs is off-site hosting... or it could be that the consortium is a good match... but her technology plan and its objectives will (with luck) drive that decision. It could also flow back, influencing decisions at her consortium, for that matter. My guess is this is not the first time this question has come up in this network (in fact, I know it's not). Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Fri Aug 4 14:37:27 2006 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Fri Aug 4 14:37:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Limit quoting, please Message-ID: It has been suggested that on behalf of those who read Web4Lib in digest mode that it would be helpful to quote from messages sparingly, and not include the entire message (or thread) in the reply. I'll be the first to admit having done this, and I will try to refrain from such behavior in the future. Our digest readers would appreciate it. Thanks, Roy From kengwall at catawba.edu Fri Aug 4 15:43:43 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Fri Aug 4 15:43:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] DOPA Wiki? Message-ID: <3639788.1154720623190.JavaMail.root@mail1.catawba.edu> Dear web4lib community, I'm preparing to contact my senator about DOPA.? I do not want to present another generic letter voicing my opposition to DOPA; my fear is that if these letters are too similar, Senators will tune them out after the first few.? I want to craft something with as much specific evidence of the benefits of social software as possible.? However, my experience with social software is extremely limited. At the Technology Summit for Libraries 2.0 in Charlotte yesterday, Michael Stephens spoke about the Wisdom of Crowds (he attributed credit, but it slips my mind).? I think that this concept would be very applicable here.? This seems like the right crowd to throw in their collective wisdom on this matter. If there is a wiki out there where librarians can add their experiences with social software, can someone please post the URL (would the Discussion page on the Wikipedia entry for DOPA be the best place, for example)? If there isn't, would someone be willing to set one up?? I'd be glad to help in any way I can. If we can pool our knowledge on this, I think we can all benefit from it. Thanks very much, Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Library kengwall@catawba.edu From mgfarkas at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 16:00:03 2006 From: mgfarkas at gmail.com (Meredith Farkas) Date: Fri Aug 4 16:00:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] DOPA Wiki? In-Reply-To: <3639788.1154720623190.JavaMail.root@mail1.catawba.edu> References: <3639788.1154720623190.JavaMail.root@mail1.catawba.edu> Message-ID: Keith, Please feel free to add this sort of stuff to the Library Success Wiki if you'd like http://www.libsuccess.org. I just created a page on social networking software (see under Technology -- Information Sharing and Education), and people can add information about DOPA, draft letters to congressmen, information about successful implementations of social networking software in libraries, etc. Just click on the link to start adding to the page (it's empty right now). -Meredith Farkas (who is at Wikimania -- just having left a lecture with Lawrence Lessig about Free Culture -- and so is feeling very energized about this issue). On 8/4/06, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > > If there is a wiki out there where librarians can add their experiences > with social software, can someone please post the URL (would the Discussion > page on the Wikipedia entry for DOPA be the best place, for example)? > > If we can pool our knowledge on this, I think we can all benefit from it. > > From daskey at ksu.edu Fri Aug 4 17:02:44 2006 From: daskey at ksu.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Fri Aug 4 17:02:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 2006 Frankfurt Book Fair Call for Applications Message-ID: <44D3B5F4.2060906@ksu.edu> From the subject line, this message may appear somewhat OT for this list, but the call for apps is open to librarians working on the tech side of the house, not just subject specialists. So, if you are such a person and have an interest in what's happening in the European information world (Frankfurt is about as comprehensive as a trade fair can be in that regard--truly mind-boggling), this might be a valuable opportunity for you. As noted in the subject line, the call for applications for travel stipends to the Frankfurt Book Fair is now open. For full details, please consult: http://www.lib.ksu.edu/dsa/misc/frankfurt06.html Please note that the deadline for applications is Friday, August 18th, so the window of opportunity is small. Best regards, Dale -- Dale Askey Web Development Librarian KSU Libraries 118 Hale Library Manhattan, KS 66506 (785) 532-7672 From houghton at plsinfo.org Fri Aug 4 20:27:51 2006 From: houghton at plsinfo.org (Houghton, Sarah) Date: Fri Aug 4 20:27:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? References: <002c01c6b7ed$c60471b0$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: I think the crux of the issue is that many of us are in, or at least perceive that we are in, a situation where we have what we have server-wise, and that's it. It is what it is, for better or worse, but we don't have the power to get something different. Whether it's because you're hosted by your university, state, city, county, consortium, or other peripheral larger agency--it doesn't matter. You're using them to host because that's just how it's always been done. We all had these larger agencies hosting for us because years ago we didn't have the staff or money to host ourselves, and the wealth of (often cheaper) outsourced options didn't exist as they do today. Now things have changed. The world has moved on without us, and many of the agencies we're using to host for us have fallen behind the times and then some. If the agency can't give the library what it wants on its servers, then the library should look elsewhere. That's when the fun begins. The political ramifications of doing so, even if it's clear that what the library needs cannot be provided by the agency, are often significant and not something the directors want to pursue. One has to make the argument that the end-user service ramifications outweigh the tip-toeing political ramifications. That's why I asked, in our big discussion last week about system ability and library needs, for ways to convince one's director that the leap to outsourced hosting is a leap worth making. It's an argument many of us in smaller libraries have had to make, or will have to make soon. And it's a hard one--it's difficult to argue rationally with "we're part of this 'family' and we don't want to make enemies." That's the response I got in the last library I worked in where this was an issue. It's not a response one can combat with logic. Sarah Houghton ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of K.G. Schneider Sent: Fri 8/4/2006 10:45 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? > The server is what it is. Why they have chosen IIS, I don't know. I'm > trying to gauge whether or not what they're providing us with is able to > handle what we need as we move to Drupal. If not, then we'd need to > outsource our hosting. > > Sarah Houghton We had a good discussion last week about matching system capabilities to library needs. Since that time, one librarian wrote me to ask if they couldn't do XYZ at their library, did that mean they needed a different host? Well, I said, maybe... I know Sarah well enough to anticipate her response to this, but the question really goes beyond Drupal: the question is does this network operating environment--not just its OS but its access controls, installations, management, bandwidth, disk space, support, etc.--have what Sarah's place needs for the, shall we say, implementable future. That might include extensions to Drupal, wiki and blogging software, and who knows what else, all combined with increased demands on disk space and bandwidth, and possibly on support. For example, does this mean the consortium will now have to install and maintain PHP and MySQL, and are they willing/able to do so? Or do they already have these available? This is neither a pro- or anti-Windows post; it's a comment about matching services with needs. It could well be that the shortest, easiest, most cost-effective path to Sarah's library's needs is off-site hosting... or it could be that the consortium is a good match... but her technology plan and its objectives will (with luck) drive that decision. It could also flow back, influencing decisions at her consortium, for that matter. My guess is this is not the first time this question has come up in this network (in fact, I know it's not). Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From drweb at san.rr.com Fri Aug 4 21:37:42 2006 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Fri Aug 4 21:38:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c6b82f$bf510710$3a964b42@PMM> I'd suggest an out-of-the-box solution.. propose back to them a plan for a "confidential" submission. Your information will be collected, and stored as secure as we can make it. It will not be used in any other way, except as part of this submission, etc. The legal team can help you with the language. You gain legtimate access to the submitter, or with their permission. You'd ask in the form if officials could contact them confidentially for further information. You gain avoidance of hiding or not revealing the nature of "anonymous" submissions on the Internet/Web. You gain an avenue of trust between you and the submitter. I think more people understand the "confidentiality" nature of some activities than "anonymous." It relates to whistlebowers, sources of news people, and so on. Some people will be discouraged from this type of posting, but even the "anonymous" posting you were asked to work on could not really be seen as anonymous. To suggest or say otherwise to the potential users would be disingenuous at best, and deceptive at worst. On confidentiality, there should be in place good, written, vetted policies and procedures to ensure this is protected. Hope this helps... Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: 'Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let her sleep' Friday, August 04, 2006 6:26:44 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hankinson, Andrew >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:30 AM >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: RE: [Web4lib] "anonymous" online form > > In addition to legal advice and disclaimers, you may also >look into hosting it on a secure server. While the IP address >may be traceable, the content of the "anonymous post" would be >encrypted so that even the systems folks couldn't read it. [rest and original posting snipped here] From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Aug 5 00:54:18 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Sat Aug 5 00:54:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal on a Windows server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c6b84b$35c097b0$6401a8c0@venus> We all had these larger agencies hosting for us because years ago we didn't have the staff or money to host ourselves In all fairness, in the olden days there was also the idea that in numbers there was strength. , and the wealth of (often cheaper) outsourced options didn't exist as they do today. Now things have changed. The world has moved on without us, and many of the agencies we're using to host for us have fallen behind the times and then some. If the agency can't give the library what it wants on its servers, then the library should look elsewhere. That's when the fun begins. The political ramifications of doing so, even if it's clear that what the library needs cannot be provided by the agency, are often significant and not something the directors want to pursue. One has to make the argument that the end-user service ramifications outweigh the tip-toeing political ramifications. That's why I asked, in our big discussion last week about system ability and library needs, for ways to convince one's director that the leap to outsourced hosting is a leap worth making. It's an argument many of us in smaller libraries have had to make, or will have to make soon. And it's a hard one--it's difficult to argue rationally with "we're part of this 'family' and we don't want to make enemies." That's the response I got in the last library I worked in where this was an issue. It's not a response one can combat with logic. Sarah Houghton I'll share something else I've shared with Sarah. Obey Deep Throat's advice: follow the money. Get to know your consortium budgets. Ask how the money gets spent. See who gets served and who doesn't. Ask yourselves whether newer, more valuable services are priced to support older, less valuable services. Most importantly, get to know the other libraries in your consortium. Find out what their needs are. Meet around the table with their stakeholders and come up with a plan. After all, they are the "family." I know it's hard to see it this way, but the consortium works for you. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From julied at lrl.leg.mn Sat Aug 5 12:12:20 2006 From: julied at lrl.leg.mn (julied@lrl.leg.mn) Date: Sat Aug 5 12:12:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Web4lib Digest, Vol 17, Issue 5 Message-ID: <2E614E002EF@lrl.leg.mn> I will be out of the library until Monday August 14th. If you have a reference question, please e-mail refdesk@lrl.leg.mn or call 651-296-8338. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 7 10:30:19 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Aug 7 10:30:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B04@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I created the test page below with the WorldCat.org search box in it. Unfortunately it uses iframe and javascript to create the box instead of just straight web form. The sign up to get the code for the search box gets complicated if you already subscribe to or participate in such other services as WebJunction. I strongly suggest you use a different e-mail address so you can create a new account. It will help you avoid lots of frustration. Link to test search box: SUNY Morrisville College LibraryLinks Link to World Cat.org: http://www.worldcat.org/ Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 7 11:25:11 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Mon Aug 7 11:25:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today In-Reply-To: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B04@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B04@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <44D75B57.4040903@ohiolink.edu> On 8/7/2006 10:30 AM, Drew, Bill wrote: > I created the test page below with the WorldCat.org search box in it. > Unfortunately it uses iframe and javascript to create the box instead of > just straight web form. But once you've got the account set up and see the form in use, what's to keep you from rewriting the form as you see fit, on whatever page you want? -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 7 11:36:11 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Aug 7 11:36:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B31@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> That is fine for those that have the skill set to do that. Not all librarians have those skills. Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today > > > But once you've got the account set up and see the form in use, what's > to keep you from rewriting the form as you see fit, on > whatever page you > want? From julied at lrl.leg.mn Mon Aug 7 12:12:20 2006 From: julied at lrl.leg.mn (julied@lrl.leg.mn) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:12:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Web4lib Digest, Vol 17, Issue 7 Message-ID: <315DD9E41F7@lrl.leg.mn> I will be out of the library until Monday August 14th. If you have a reference question, please e-mail refdesk@lrl.leg.mn or call 651-296-8338. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 7 12:31:53 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:31:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] An Idea for OCLC Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B53@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> With the public notice about WorldCat.org beta being available, it is time for OCLC to stop charging libraries that use OCLC for cataloging for use of WorldCat! Libraries that contribute to cataloging, which we pay a fee to do, are charged for access to WorldCat. I hope that changes. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Mon Aug 7 12:37:55 2006 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:38:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] An Idea for OCLC Message-ID: Hear, hear! -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:32 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] An Idea for OCLC With the public notice about WorldCat.org beta being available, it is time for OCLC to stop charging libraries that use OCLC for cataloging for use of WorldCat! Libraries that contribute to cataloging, which we pay a fee to do, are charged for access to WorldCat. I hope that changes. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Mon Aug 7 13:08:15 2006 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Mon Aug 7 13:08:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Digest Readers: A Request Message-ID: As a follow-up on my message on what non-digest readers can do when posting to help those who read the list in digest form, there is something the "other side" can do as well. If you read Web4Lib as a digest, please remember to change the subject line of any reply to the list so that it says something meaningful. A subject line like "Web4Lib Digest, Vol 17, Issue 5" does nothing to let us all know what your message is about. Thanks, Roy From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 7 13:21:00 2006 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Mon Aug 7 13:21:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today Message-ID: <4BF3E71AAC9FBB4C85A95204FD1D9C51016B1B69@system14.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I did create a couple of different versions of the form. They probably violate the terms of use for the service. They are intended as experiments only, not as a production form. You can see them in action at: http://library.morrisville.edu/worldcattestpage.htm Wilfred (Bill) Drew E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:25 AM > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org goes live today > > On 8/7/2006 10:30 AM, Drew, Bill wrote: > > > I created the test page below with the WorldCat.org search > box in it. > > Unfortunately it uses iframe and javascript to create the > box instead of > > just straight web form. > > > But once you've got the account set up and see the form in use, what's > to keep you from rewriting the form as you see fit, on > whatever page you > want? > > > -- > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kengwall at catawba.edu Mon Aug 7 15:03:38 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Mon Aug 7 15:03:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars Message-ID: Dear Web4lib, After the wonderful Technology Summit in Charlotte last Thursday, I've gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library. Questions: 1) Can anyone recommend an in-house wiki that is particularly user friendly (and pretty)? I've looked at a few, but would appreciate hearing from anyone who's actually implemented one. 2) For access control (internal Wiki), how are people handling this? I'm thinking limiting access in the apache config to a particular subnet, but that may require some wrangling with IT to get our staff machines on their own subnet. 3) One of the things I'd like to provide is a calendar for people to use to post their schedules, vacations, etc. This is probably a separate piece, but can anyone recommend an in-house product for this? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman From rob.amend at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 15:32:16 2006 From: rob.amend at gmail.com (Rob Amend) Date: Mon Aug 7 15:32:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re:Wikis, access control, calendars Message-ID: Keith, The first one that comes to mind is MediaWiki. There is also a comparison chart of wiki software at Wikipedia . -- Rob Amend Reference Librarian rob.amend@gmail.com reftechrob.blogspot.com From rob.amend at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 15:35:58 2006 From: rob.amend at gmail.com (Rob Amend) Date: Mon Aug 7 15:36:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Keith, > > The first one that comes to mind is MediaWiki. > There is also a comparison chart of wiki software at Wikipedia > . > > -- > Rob Amend > Reference Librarian > rob.amend@gmail.com > reftechrob.blogspot.com > From kayiwa at uic.edu Mon Aug 7 16:40:00 2006 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Mon Aug 7 16:40:31 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > Dear Web4lib, > > After the wonderful Technology Summit in Charlotte last Thursday, I've > gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library. > Questions: > > 1) Can anyone recommend an in-house wiki that is particularly user > friendly (and pretty)? I've looked at a few, but would appreciate > hearing from anyone who's actually implemented one. If it weren't for the *ahem* licensing *cough cough*... Confluence seems to have lots of snazzy looking "clicky" buttons :-). I have currently set up numerous wiki's for various units here. My goal is to move them ALL from MediaWiki to Twiki (decision based on local expertise)... Currently Mediawiki meets our requirements. > > 2) For access control (internal Wiki), how are people handling this? > I'm thinking limiting access in the apache config to a particular > subnet, but that may require some wrangling with IT to get our staff > machines on their own subnet. In my case this would probably involve mod_bluestem on Apache. I know Twiki plays "nice" with anything Apache supports. Last check Apache works with AD, NIS, Kerberos. YMMV. See a comparison below. http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/TWiki+Confluence+XWiki regards, ./fxk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE16UjN+YGKSXdLhkRAmOvAJoD0NmADwkUa4WuLtuL78Dgg4c0ggCbBN6L oTpsckb2tC0IZ2oYdPIF5Pk= =P7g7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lbell927 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:04:46 2006 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Mon Aug 7 17:11:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Virtual Worlds and Alternate Realties: Where Do Education and Libraries Fit In? Message-ID: <20060807210446.65276.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Alliance Library System is pleased to announce Innovation Days: 2006 - "Virtual Worlds and Alternate Realities: Where Do Education and Libraries Fit In?" There are two events, both which will be held at Alliance in East Peoria in person, on OPAL via audiocast, and at the Second Life Library Open Auditorium using OPAL for Audio. Thursday, October 12- Virtual Worlds and Education - The Cutting Edge In-person - $10 per person for dinner, register on CLEO on ALS Website OPAL and Second Life - email me at lbell927@gmail.com to indicate you are coming so I can send audio link- no fee Welcome and Introdcutions - Kitty Pope, Executive Director, Alliance Library System 4:00 pm sl, 6:00 p.m. central - Overview of Higher Education Activities in Second Life - John Lester, Community Manager, Linden Labs - Librarians bring your interested teachers and administrators! Learn about exciting learning activities and projects universities are undertaking in Second Life. 4:45 p.m. sl, 6:45 p.m. central - What Bradley University is Doing in Second Life for Education and Libraries - Edward Lee Lamoureux, Ph.D, Associate Professor, Multimedia Program and Department of Communication, Co-Director, New Media Center and Barbara Galik, Director - Cullom Davis Library, Bradley University 5:15 pm sl; 7:15 p.m. central - Education Activities at Alliance Library System in Second Life - Tom Peters, CEO TAP Information Services, and Lori Bell, Alliance Library System 5:45 pm sl; 7:45 pm central - Questions Friday, October 13 - Virtual Worlds and Alternate Realities - Where do Libraries Fit in? In person - $10 per person for lunch, register on CLEO on ALS Website OPAL and Second Life - email me at lbell927@gmail.com to indicate you are coming so I can send audio link - no fee 7:30 am sl, 9:30 central - Welcome and Introductions, Kitty Pope, Executive Director Alliane Library System 7:45 a.m. sl and 9:45 a.m. central - Introduction to Virtual Worlds and Educational Activities in Second Life - John Lester, Pathfinder Linden, Community Education manager, Second Life Never been in a virtual world? Can't imagine what they are? This is your opportunity to hear about exciting, creative, and interactive educational, medical, and other applications in Second Life. There are immersrive ancient Egyptian worlds; a nineteenth century setting where everyone dresses in Victorian clothes, the buildings are period, and we have a library; and International Space and Flight Museum; and campuses where universities are teaching classes in new and exciting ways. 8:45 a.m. sl and 10:45 a.m. central - The Alliance Second Life Project and How to Get Involved- Kitty Pope, Lori Bell, and Mary-Carol Lindbloom, Alliance Want to get involved and offer these services to your patrons? We will show you what we are doing and how you can get involved 10:00 a.m., 12 noon central - not on OPAL or Second Life - Technology Leadership in Real Life, Lori Johnson, CIO, Pearl Technologies The rest offered in real time, OPAL and Second Life - some presentations from Second Life 11:30 a.m. sl and 1:30 pm central - The Teen Second Life Project and How to Get Involved - Kelly Czarnecki, Teen Services Librarian, and Matt Gullett, Technology Education Librarian, Imaginon, Public Library of Chalotte and Mecklenburg County Want to offer interactive library services where they are on the Internet? Learn about this exciting new service for teens your libraries can offer. 12 noon sl time and 2:00 pm central - Perspective of the Millenial Librarian on Libraries in Virtual Worlds- Jami Schwarzwalder, Library and Information Sciences Graduate Student, Indiana University 12:30 pm sl, 2:30 pm central - Thoughts About What We've Learned About Libraries and Virthual Worlds Over The Last Six Months - Tom Peters, Second Life Project Evaluator, TAP Information Services Tom Peters will talk about what we have learned and the future of libraries in virtual worlds during the six months of the Alliance Second Life Library proejct. Email Lori Bell at lbell927@gmail.com for more information --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From tapinformation at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:39:33 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Mon Aug 7 17:39:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Academic library initiatives in Second Life Message-ID: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am working on an article about academic libraries in the Second Life three-dimensional virtual reality environment. If your academic library or library consortium is discussing, planning, or offering library services in Second Life, please feel free to contact me, preferably by Friday, August 25. For example, Northern Illinois University and Central Missouri State University are collaborating to develop an academic island in Second Life, and the New Media Consortium (http://www.nmc.org/) already has built a stunning library on their island campus. Even if you're still in the early discussion stages, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks in advance. Tom Peters TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Mon Aug 7 17:43:35 2006 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Mon Aug 7 17:43:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Academic library initiatives in Second Life In-Reply-To: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/7/06 2:39 PM, "Tom Peters" wrote: > I am working on an article about academic libraries in the Second Life > three-dimensional virtual reality environment. If your academic library or > library consortium is discussing, planning, or offering library services in > Second Life, please feel free to contact me, preferably by Friday, August 25. And in answering Tom's question, please include _why_ you are doing this. Thanks, Roy From tapinformation at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 18:07:53 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Mon Aug 7 18:07:57 2006 Subject: [LITA-L:238] Re: [Web4lib] Academic library initiatives in Second Life In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060807220753.45822.qmail@web82109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good point, Roy. I would even extend my request for information to include academic libraries and consortia that have had serious discussions about developing library services for second life and have decided not to proceed at this time. So, please include not only _why_ but, if pertinent, _why not_. Feel free to reply directly to me or to the list. Late in August I will try to summarize back to LITA-L and Web4Lib all the responses received, the academic library-related Second Life activities underway, and the reasons pro and con given. Thanks. Tom Peters TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roy Tennant To: Library and Information Technology Association List Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 4:43:35 PM Subject: [LITA-L:238] Re: [Web4lib] Academic library initiatives in Second Life On 8/7/06 2:39 PM, "Tom Peters" wrote: > I am working on an article about academic libraries in the Second Life > three-dimensional virtual reality environment. If your academic library or > library consortium is discussing, planning, or offering library services in > Second Life, please feel free to contact me, preferably by Friday, August 25. And in answering Tom's question, please include _why_ you are doing this. Thanks, Roy From kseitz18 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 18:25:17 2006 From: kseitz18 at yahoo.com (Kendra Seitz) Date: Mon Aug 7 18:25:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] unsubscribe to mailing list Message-ID: <20060807222517.39868.qmail@web54611.mail.yahoo.com> HI, I would like to unsubscribe from this mailing list. Thank you. Sincerely, Kendra Seitz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From k7v339 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:51:26 2006 From: k7v339 at yahoo.com (hon hon) Date: Mon Aug 7 22:51:29 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone In-Reply-To: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. You might have other recommendations as well. Thanks, Hongbin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From olivers at oclc.org Mon Aug 7 23:03:23 2006 From: olivers at oclc.org (Oliver,Sonya) Date: Mon Aug 7 23:03:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat.org Now Available! Message-ID: <968B80AA83CAAC4D89EDFD0496B00E3F93E912@OAEXCH2SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Announcing the release of the new WorldCat.org Web site. This site---and a downloadable WorldCat search box you can easily add to your Web site---opens the complete WorldCat database to the public, not just the smaller data subsets utilized by Open WorldCat partner sites such as Google, Yahoo! Search and others. WorldCat.org builds on the success of OCLC's Open WorldCat Program that has elevated the visibility of library materials on the open Web since the summer of 2003. The main attraction of the new site is the WorldCat search box. Web users can now search the entire WorldCat database with the method most familiar to them: simple keywords. As in Open WorldCat, each linked result leads to a "Find in a Library" information page. From there, users can enter geographic information such as a zip or postal code, receive a list of nearby libraries that own the item, and link right to a library's online catalog record to initiate circulation activity or access electronic content directly. Users can also create their own WorldCat account and add book reviews, table-of-contents information and notes to many WorldCat items, helping to personalize their library search experience. >From WorldCat.org, any Web user or organization can also easily download and install the free, WorldCat search box to their personal or commercial Web page, allowing even more people to discover library content through WorldCat. Libraries and other groups inside and outside the OCLC cooperative are encouraged to add the box to their sites. We believe that sharing the ability to search for library materials to as many other sites as possible will help increase the awareness of libraries as primary sources of reliable information and helpful personal assistance. To try the new WorldCat search box and download the box to your own Web site, visit the site at http://worldcat.org. Questions? Contact your OCLC representative or regional service provider for additional information. To view a Web version of this e-mail, go to http://whatcounts.com/bin/archive_viewer?id=6FB64ED51A04512E8B0B3DDE31E5 303C . From isidro at cindoc.csic.es Tue Aug 8 02:56:59 2006 From: isidro at cindoc.csic.es (Isidro F. Aguillo) Date: Tue Aug 8 02:55:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ISSI 2007 - Madrid. Call for papers Message-ID: <44D835BB.7080609@cindoc.csic.es> The 11th biennial International Conference on Scientometrics and Informetrics (ISSI 2007) http://issi2007.cindoc.csic.es/ is organised by the Centre for Scientific Information and Documentation (CINDOC) of the Spanish Research Council (CSIC), in cooperation with several Information Science Departments of Spanish universities, and under the auspices of the International Society for Scientometrics and Informetrics (ISSI). Previous ISSI conferences took place in Belgium (1987), Canada (1989), India (1991), Germany (1993), USA (1995), Israel (1997), Mexico (1999), Australia (2001), China (2003) and Sweden (2005). Time and place: Monday 25 to Wednesday 27 of June 2007, at the CSIC Serrano Campus in Madrid, Spain The proposed research topics for this edition include among others: - Dynamics of scientific fields. Growth and diversification - Mapping and visualisation of knowledge - Interdisciplinarity. Multidisciplinarity - History of Bibliometrics and Scientometrics - Mathematical modelling of informetric laws - Citation and web link analysis - Webometrics - Collaboration in research (individual, institutional, regional, international) - Evaluation of research performance: macro, meso and micro-levels - Institutional and national publication productivity - Development and comparative analyses of new indicators for Science and Technology - Patent indicators - Science policy analysis and forecasting - Economic and social factors in information production and dissemination - Scientometric impact of the Open Access initiatives - New bibliometric indicators applied to digital libraries and e-journals - Communication practices and performance assessment in Social Sciences and Humanities - Effects of the use of bibliometric indicators upon scientists, journal publishers and editors Types of contributions accepted to ISSI 2007: Full papers, research-in-progress papers and posters are accepted for this conference. Research-in-progress papers are meant to cover on-going research and the authors must make clear the significance of their study and which the research questions to be addressed are. Authors are requested to submit their contributions using the ISSI 2007 electronic submission form: http://www.softconf.com/start/ISSI2007/ Valid document formats are: Microsoft Word (doc) and Rich Text Format (rtf). ? Full papers - max. 4500 words. ? Research-in-progress papers - max. 2000 words ? Poster presentations - abstract of max. 2 pages. Papers must conform to the ISSI 2007 submission template. All submissions will be peer reviewed and all accepted contributions will be published in the proceedings of the conference. The working language of the conference is English. Important dates: ? Full paper and research-in-progress paper submission, deadline: 30 November 2006 ? Notification of acceptance of paper submissions: 31 January 2007 ? Poster submission, deadline: 1 February 2007 ? Doctoral Forum application, deadline: 1 February 2007 ? Notification of acceptance of posters: 28 February 2007 ? Camera ready papers due in MS Word/RTF format: 28 February 2007 Proposals for organising satellite workshops on relevant topics not well addressed at the main conference can be submitted before 30 November 2006 to the satellite workshops chair and/or programme chair. Programme Chair: Dr. Henk F. Moed, Centre for Science and Technology Studies (CWTS) Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands. E-mail: moed@cwts.leidenuniv.nl Conference Chairs: Prof. Isabel G?mez, igomez@cindoc.csic.es CINDOC-CSIC, Madrid, Spain Dr. Mar?a Bordons mbordons@cindoc.csic.es CINDOC-CSIC, Madrid, Spain Isidro Aguillo isidro@cindoc.csic.es, CINDOC-CSIC, Madrid, Spain. Poster Chair: Dr. Ed Noyons, Centre for Science and Technology Studies (CWTS) Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands. E-mail: noyons@cwts.nl Satellite Workshops Chair: Prof. Peter Ingwersen, Royal School of Library & Information Science, Copenhagen, Denmark. E-mail: pi@db.dk Doctoral Forum Chairs: Dr. Rickard Danell, Ume? University, Ume?, Sweden. E-mail: rickard.danell@soc.umu.se Dr. Birger Larsen, Royal School of Library & Information Science, Copenhagen, Denmark. E-mail: blar@db.dk Regional Programme Chairs: North America: Dr. Katherine McCain, Drexel University, Philadelphia, USA. E-mail: kate.mccain@ischool.drexel.edu Latin America: Dr. Jane Russell, National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM), Mexico City, Mexico. E-mail: jrussell@servidor.unam.mx Australia - Pacific: Dr. Linda Butler, The Australian National University, Canberra ACT, Australia. E-mail: linda.butler@anu.edu.au China - Far East: Dr. Liang Liming, Henan Normal University, Xinxiang, China. E-mail: pllm@public.xxptt.ha.cn Europe - Africa: Prof. Peter Ingwersen, Royal School of Library & Information Science, Copenhagen, Denmark. E-mail: pi@db.dk India - Middle East: Prof. Ravichandra Rao, Indian Statistical Institute, India. E-mail: ikr@isibang.ac.in Please, circulate this Call among colleagues. -- *************************************** Isidro F. Aguillo isidro@cindoc.csic.es Ph:(+34) 91-5635482 ext. 313 Cybermetrics Research Group CINDOC-CSIC Joaquin Costa, 22 28002 Madrid. SPAIN http://www.webometrics.info http://www.cindoc.csic.es/cybermetrics http://internetlab.cindoc.csic.es **************************************** From swahidinfo at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 03:44:40 2006 From: swahidinfo at gmail.com (Shafayet Wahid) Date: Tue Aug 8 03:44:48 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Plzz unsubscribe me Message-ID: <25ae850608080044n20378fccqd12668769e0f2b04@mail.gmail.com> Hi i want to unsubscribe from web4lib Regards Shafayet Wahid From wforgette at linc.lib.il.us Tue Aug 8 08:21:12 2006 From: wforgette at linc.lib.il.us (William Forgette) Date: Tue Aug 8 08:21:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone In-Reply-To: <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c6bae5$2332b280$490e010a@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> We just started using drupal for our library website and are very happy with it. Can't vouch for Plone since we have no exposure to it. Are installation of Drupal was very straight forward, even on a windows 2003 server with IIS 6.0, although things such as cron would probably work better on a LAMP setup. I already had php set up on the box and mysql. Getting drupal in place took just about ten minutes. We focused on getting our content migrated and now our next step will be to dive into the stylesheets and such to give it a look that is more our own. If you search the archives, you should be able to gather a list of library sites that use drupal, I saw that covered in the past. Good luck with your project! --- William A. Forgette Computer Services Department Head Bloomingdale Public Library 101 Fairfield Way Bloomingdale, IL 60107 http://www.bloomingdale.lib.il.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of hon hon Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:51 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; k7v339@yahoo.com Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. You might have other recommendations as well. Thanks, Hongbin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bollingers at cadl.org Tue Aug 8 09:03:46 2006 From: bollingers at cadl.org (Bollinger,Stephen) Date: Tue Aug 8 09:03:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Message-ID: Hi, We are using Plone for our forthcoming website redesign. We considered Drupal but chose Plone primarily because we had access to several people who had worked with Plone previously whom we could get help from. Drupal and Plone seem to be relatively similar in functionality, you might want to base your choice on how familiar you are with PHP (which Drupal is built on) or Python (which Zope/Plone is built on). In the next few months I am working with our state library association on their Drupal site, so I will be much more familiar with the differences between the two. Currently I only know about Plone. Good luck with your project! Yours, -Steve Stephen Bollinger Internet Specialist CAPITAL AREA DISTRICT LIBRARY 401 South Capitol Avenue Lansing, MI 48901-7919 http://www.cadl.org/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of hon hon Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:51 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; k7v339@yahoo.com Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. You might have other recommendations as well. Thanks, Hongbin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jaf30 at cornell.edu Tue Aug 8 09:42:33 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Tue Aug 8 09:42:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D894C9.5010203@cornell.edu> Francis Kayiwa wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > >> Dear Web4lib, >> >> After the wonderful Technology Summit in Charlotte last Thursday, I've >> gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library. >> Questions: >> >> 1) Can anyone recommend an in-house wiki that is particularly user >> friendly (and pretty)? I've looked at a few, but would appreciate >> hearing from anyone who's actually implemented one. > > If it weren't for the *ahem* licensing *cough cough*... Confluence > seems to have lots of snazzy looking "clicky" buttons :-). I have > currently set up numerous wiki's for various units here. My goal is to > move them ALL from MediaWiki to Twiki (decision based on local > expertise)... Currently Mediawiki meets our requirements. We've been using Confluence and it's companion issue tracking system called Jira for about a year and a half and have been very pleased. I initially implemented it with the intention of using it for our IT department but within a few days others involved in some of our IT projects saw it and wanted accounts as well. We decided to go for the unlimited user license but restricted write access somewhat to just those in our unit library and the colleges that we support. A month or so ago we extended usage to the University Library system (20 different libraries). We have ~300 registered users, about 70 different project spaces, and well over 3000 pages (over 10,000 if you count versions of pages). Yes, it's not free, but we've found that it's well worth the price and support is extremely good. They use their Issue tracking system to track bugs, enhancements, support requests, and they monitor it closely. Anyone can submit an issue request and Atlassian actually demonstrates accountability that every issue is resolved to the submitters satisfaction. From gilbertj at cliu.org Tue Aug 8 09:45:27 2006 From: gilbertj at cliu.org (James M. Gilbert) Date: Tue Aug 8 09:44:24 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Holdings Code Practices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00dc01c6baf0$e81a4170$40351dac@library.whitehallpl.org> Hi All (sorry for the cross post -- looking to hear from as many folks as possible), We are considering adding 2 holdings codes, and would to hear what other libraries are doing and how their individual preference has worked for the better and worst... 1) We currently have a "LOCAL HISTORY" collection which is LABELED as such and occupies a distinct area of the library: LOC. HIST. R We are considering breaking out these materials into a LOCAL HISTORY (or LOCAL REFERENCE) collection code in the catalog. 2) Electronic Resources are currently cataloged under their paper equivalent; this is largely online testing -- which would catalog to "ADULT NONFICTION" collection. We are considering adding a collection code for "E-Resources" -- at present we do not catalog downloadable E-books, our patrons use NetLibrary to search for holdings. Thank you, James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library From breynolds at debevoise.com Tue Aug 8 11:04:58 2006 From: breynolds at debevoise.com (Reynolds, Bess) Date: Tue Aug 8 11:06:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Holdings Code Practices Message-ID: Addressing the question of Collection codes: We are currently adding lots of electronic resources, including e-mail subscriptions (usually PDFs mailed directly from the vendor to a library mailbox), web subscriptions (such as those available via IP authentication on our network), and free Internet sites. For the most part I am creating separate records for these with a call number of Global, if it is available to everyone in our eight office law firm. The collection code we use is "Electronic." As I can easily edit the picklist for this and Media type, I am experimenting with different terminology. It starts to get maybe too granular. To complicate matters we are looking at purchasing Serials Solution which would greatly increase the bibliographic records for electronic resources. We plan to have a check box on the main search page of the OPAC to allow our patrons to search only print, only electronic, or both. Regards, Bess Technical Services Manager at large law firm -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of James M. Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:45 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Holdings Code Practices Hi All (sorry for the cross post -- looking to hear from as many folks as possible), We are considering adding 2 holdings codes, and would to hear what other libraries are doing and how their individual preference has worked for the better and worst... 1) We currently have a "LOCAL HISTORY" collection which is LABELED as such and occupies a distinct area of the library: LOC. HIST. R We are considering breaking out these materials into a LOCAL HISTORY (or LOCAL REFERENCE) collection code in the catalog. 2) Electronic Resources are currently cataloged under their paper equivalent; this is largely online testing -- which would catalog to "ADULT NONFICTION" collection. We are considering adding a collection code for "E-Resources" -- at present we do not catalog downloadable E-books, our patrons use NetLibrary to search for holdings. Thank you, James M. Gilbert Systems Librarian Whitehall Township Public Library _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us Tue Aug 8 11:50:43 2006 From: Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bret Parker) Date: Tue Aug 8 11:51:09 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone In-Reply-To: <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44D8506302000010000A893C@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> We run Plone for an intranet. No experience with Drupal -- only attended a session on it at Internet Librarian. Based on that I formed an opinion. Depends on how much customization you want to do and what other needs you might have, as well as what staff resources you have to invest in it. For the time we have (had) to invest in it (not much), Plone is OK. If you have little time and your customization needs are minimal, consider Plone, particularly if you like the out-of-the-box look of it. But I would hasten to add that customization is possible and can greatly change the appearance and functionality. Because we have not used Plone on our public-facing web site, this reply is of limited usefulness, unless you have more specific questions about Plone. Bret Parker, Senior Applications Programmer Analyst (MLIS) Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library City of Stockton (California) bret.parker@ci.stockton.ca.us (209) 937-7148 http://www.stockton.lib.ca.us >>> hon hon 8/7/2006 7:51 PM >>> Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. You might have other recommendations as well. Thanks, Hongbin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From MILLIKEL at neumann.edu Tue Aug 8 12:20:44 2006 From: MILLIKEL at neumann.edu (Lawrence Milliken) Date: Tue Aug 8 12:21:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Message-ID: I've been working on a redesign of our library website using Plone and have really liked working with it. The learning curve for the developer, if you are doing much customization, is kinda steep but for most normal user Plone is easy to work with. If you want to write custom products it helps if you have access to someone with a little Python but you can teach yourself too if you have to. And the developer community is extremely helpful. It is also caches and proxies behind Apache very well, which you would definitely want to do for production. An company called Enfold has a well regarded Windows installer and proxy server for Plone as well but I run my Plone site on Ubuntu so I haven't tried the Windows stuff myself. A demo version (striped of almost all references to my current employer) of what I've been working on is available at http://www.butterflysmack.com:9080/Plone if you'd want to take a look. It is on a friend's test server and is unoptimised (i.e. slow). Hopefully the real production version will be up at my school sometime this year (the issues with it are political not technical, btw). >>> "Bret Parker" 08/08/06 11:50 AM >>> We run Plone for an intranet. No experience with Drupal -- only attended a session on it at Internet Librarian. Based on that I formed an opinion. Depends on how much customization you want to do and what other needs you might have, as well as what staff resources you have to invest in it. For the time we have (had) to invest in it (not much), Plone is OK. If you have little time and your customization needs are minimal, consider Plone, particularly if you like the out-of-the-box look of it. But I would hasten to add that customization is possible and can greatly change the appearance and functionality. Because we have not used Plone on our public-facing web site, this reply is of limited usefulness, unless you have more specific questions about Plone. Bret Parker, Senior Applications Programmer Analyst (MLIS) Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library City of Stockton (California) bret.parker@ci.stockton.ca.us (209) 937-7148 http://www.stockton.lib.ca.us >>> hon hon 8/7/2006 7:51 PM >>> Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. You might have other recommendations as well. Thanks, Hongbin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From darci.hanning at state.or.us Tue Aug 8 13:35:19 2006 From: darci.hanning at state.or.us (Darci Hanning) Date: Tue Aug 8 13:35:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Message-ID: <4D7AC4ED-7ACE-43A6-908D-17FF063DD943@state.or.us> I've been developing with Plone since last November (it's the core of our Plinkit webhosting/CMS solution for Oregon public libraries). I would agree that if you want to heavily customize the look/feel and/or feature set of Plone and you're not using other skins or add-ons (Products in Plone parlance) that are readily available for Plone, then the learning curve can be a bit on the steep side for the developer. The good news is that the look/feel of Plone is completely CSS driven. The bad news is that it's completely CSS driven ;-) The upside of Plone is that it is infinitely customizable, especially around roles and workflows that can be adapted for any use case. And the Plone community is uber-friendly (as long as you communicate that you've tried to figure it out on your own first ;-) in both the mailing list (archived) and on irc. Additionally, for content providers, it's a breeze to use -- comes with a WYSIWYG editor used through a web browser by navigating to the page to be modified or navigating to the folder to add new content and having at it ;-) You can see one example of a public library district project using Plinkit/Plone with a fairly different look/feel -- a free skin that can be downloaded from plone.org. All I had to was install it and change the default banner. See: http://unioncounty.plinkit.org/ I can't speak for Drupal as I have never used it. As others have stated, it's based on PHP/MySQL so if those are familiar technologies, that might be the way to go. -- Darci Hanning Technology Development Consultant Library Development Services Oregon State Library 250 Winter St. NE Salem, OR 97301 503-378-2527 darci.hanning@state.or.us > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of > Lawrence Milliken > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:21 AM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone > > I've been working on a redesign of our library website using > Plone and have really liked working with it. The learning > curve for the developer, if you are doing much customization, > is kinda steep but for most normal user Plone is easy to work with. > > If you want to write custom products it helps if you have > access to someone with a little Python but you can teach > yourself too if you have to. And the developer community is > extremely helpful. > > It is also caches and proxies behind Apache very well, which > you would definitely want to do for production. An company > called Enfold has a well regarded Windows installer and proxy > server for Plone as well but I run my Plone site on Ubuntu so > I haven't tried the Windows stuff myself. > > A demo version (striped of almost all references to my current > employer) of what I've been working on is available at > http://www.butterflysmack.com:9080/Plone if you'd want to > take a look. It is on a friend's test server and is > unoptimised (i.e. slow). > Hopefully the real production version will be up at my school > sometime this year (the issues with it are political not > technical, btw). > From KScannell at thecenterweb.org Tue Aug 8 14:06:43 2006 From: KScannell at thecenterweb.org (Kim Scannell) Date: Tue Aug 8 14:06:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? Message-ID: Keith Engwall said: "...gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library.... One of the things I'd like to provide is a calendar for people to use to post their schedules, vacations, etc..." Keith, you may want to look into a content management system like Joomla (joomla.com). A wiki can still be a part of the larger CMS. With Joomla you can also have calendars, RSS feeds, surveys, forums, etc., in addition to wikis. Take a good look at what your content/information needs are to decide if a wiki alone will do the job or if you need something more. --- Kim Scannell The Center Library From cmurdock at ccfls.org Tue Aug 8 14:06:42 2006 From: cmurdock at ccfls.org (Cindy Murdock) Date: Tue Aug 8 14:06:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone In-Reply-To: <4D7AC4ED-7ACE-43A6-908D-17FF063DD943@state.or.us> References: <4D7AC4ED-7ACE-43A6-908D-17FF063DD943@state.or.us> Message-ID: <44D8D2B2.3040804@ccfls.org> I haven't used Drupal or Plone, but I used WordPress for our libraries' websites: http://meadvillelibrary.org & http://ccfls.org I've found WordPress to be fairly easy to customize, and it has a lot of useful plugins, including OpenForBusiness, which is a plugin for displaying library hours written by our in-house programmer: http://wp-plugins.net/plugin/OpenForBusiness/ It has a configuration page in the admin area to let our librarians change their hours easily. Cheers, Cindy -- _________________________ Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library | Crawford County Federated Library System meadvillelibrary.org | ccfls.org From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Tue Aug 8 14:21:04 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Tue Aug 8 14:21:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0433532E@kelso.cudenver.edu> If anyone's interested, Royal Oak (Michigan) Public Library recently launched a new site with Joomla: http://www.ropl.org/ Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Denver, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kim Scannell Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:07 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? Keith Engwall said: "...gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library.... One of the things I'd like to provide is a calendar for people to use to post their schedules, vacations, etc..." Keith, you may want to look into a content management system like Joomla (joomla.com). A wiki can still be a part of the larger CMS. With Joomla you can also have calendars, RSS feeds, surveys, forums, etc., in addition to wikis. Take a good look at what your content/information needs are to decide if a wiki alone will do the job or if you need something more. --- Kim Scannell The Center Library _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kengwall at catawba.edu Tue Aug 8 14:29:30 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Tue Aug 8 14:29:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some have requested I post a summary of responses to the list, so bon appetit! 1) Wikis: MediaWiki had the most recommendations. I installed MediaWiki, and got it up and running without too much trouble. The notion of creating a new page by creating a link to the new page really threw me for a loop initially, but once I got past that, it's been rather nice to use. In just two days, I've added enough content to see *great* potential for its use in the library. The following Wikis were also recommended: MoinMoin (requires some work to make it pretty) Instiki (uses Ruby) Confluence ($$$ but apparently worth it) TWiki 2) Access Control: Deny all / Allow (set up in web server) 3) Calendar: Not too much on this front. Actually, pickings are relatively slim for a locally hosted web-based calendar, so it seems. I checked out a few, including WebCalendar (http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php) and Plans (http://www.planscalendar.com). They were fairly similar. I will probably test-drive them both. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:04 PM To: web4lib Cc: Engwall, Keith D Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars Dear Web4lib, After the wonderful Technology Summit in Charlotte last Thursday, I've gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library. Questions: 1) Can anyone recommend an in-house wiki that is particularly user friendly (and pretty)? I've looked at a few, but would appreciate hearing from anyone who's actually implemented one. 2) For access control (internal Wiki), how are people handling this? I'm thinking limiting access in the apache config to a particular subnet, but that may require some wrangling with IT to get our staff machines on their own subnet. 3) One of the things I'd like to provide is a calendar for people to use to post their schedules, vacations, etc. This is probably a separate piece, but can anyone recommend an in-house product for this? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tomkeays at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 15:24:13 2006 From: tomkeays at gmail.com (Tom Keays) Date: Tue Aug 8 15:24:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plon In-Reply-To: <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60a2c0c00608081224i4bb01fc9ube4d9e1d817939d9@mail.gmail.com> I admire the AADL website and what they've accomplished using Drupal. Drupal is easy to install and get running but tricky to customize. If you are using pre-existing modules and themes, there is very little you have to do to have a working website. But to customize to the degree that AADL has done, you have a whole world of things to learn, including designing themes that allow customization, creating new modules for specialized functionality, and tweaking everything so the user interface is consistent. I'd be interested in learning which libraries use Drupal and whether libraries are sharing their work with each other. I don't know that much about Plone, but it has a reputation for being hard to install and work with, because it requires the Python-based CMS, Zope, as a backbone. I have worked with Zope and it has a long learning curve. On 8/7/06, hon hon wrote: > Hi All, > > I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with > Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a > website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal > and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor > District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. > > > Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is > better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. > You might have other recommendations as well. > > Thanks, > Hongbin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Tom From darci.hanning at state.or.us Tue Aug 8 15:37:08 2006 From: darci.hanning at state.or.us (Darci Hanning) Date: Tue Aug 8 15:37:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plone Message-ID: Tom Keays says: > I don't know that much about Plone, but it has a reputation > for being hard to install and work with, because it requires > the Python-based CMS, Zope, as a backbone. I have worked with > Zope and it has a long learning curve. I'll take a guess and say that things have dramatically improved as far the installation process goes for Python/Zope/Plone -- as long as you RTFM and are familiar with the general process of installing open source packages from source. (Just to clarify, Zope is an application server that comes with a Content Management Framework (CMF) but Plone is the real CMS workhorse). These days, complete installation packages are also available for the Windows and OSX platforms so you can be up and playing around with Plone in just a few minutes. The same is true for a number *nix platforms (RPMs and the like) but it's strongly recommended (and easy enough) to install Python/Zope/Plone from source for those platforms. Cheers, Darci -- Darci Hanning Technology Development Consultant Library Development Services Oregon State Library 250 Winter St. NE Salem, OR 97301 503-378-2527 darci.hanning@state.or.us From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Tue Aug 8 15:38:19 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 8 15:38:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars Message-ID: Speaking of Calendars, this may not be ready for prime-time deployment yet, but Apple just announced iCal Server (http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html) and best of all, it's being released as Open Source under the Apache 2.0 Source License: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration Apparently it's starting to look like an Exchange Server replacement, as it supposedly integrates with Outlook. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall Sent: August 8, 2006 2:30 PM To: web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars ... 3) Calendar: Not too much on this front. Actually, pickings are relatively slim for a locally hosted web-based calendar, so it seems. I checked out a few, including WebCalendar (http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php) and Plans (http://www.planscalendar.com). They were fairly similar. I will probably test-drive them both. From mjordan at sfu.ca Tue Aug 8 15:39:40 2006 From: mjordan at sfu.ca (Mark Jordan) Date: Tue Aug 8 15:40:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plon In-Reply-To: <60a2c0c00608081224i4bb01fc9ube4d9e1d817939d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <60a2c0c00608081224i4bb01fc9ube4d9e1d817939d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D8E87C.7010309@sfu.ca> Tom Keays wrote: > I admire the AADL website and what they've accomplished using Drupal. > Drupal is easy to install and get running but tricky to customize. If > you are using pre-existing modules and themes, there is very little > you have to do to have a working website. But to customize to the > degree that AADL has done, you have a whole world of things to learn, > including designing themes that allow customization, creating new > modules for specialized functionality, and tweaking everything so the > user interface is consistent. > > I'd be interested in learning which libraries use Drupal and whether > libraries are sharing their work with each other. Hi Tom, There is a community at http://drupalib.interoperating.info/ for just that purpose. Mark -- Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Phone (604) 291 5753 / Fax (604) 291 3023 mjordan@sfu.ca / http://www.sfu.ca/~mjordan/ From Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us Tue Aug 8 16:09:22 2006 From: Bret.Parker at ci.stockton.ca.us (Bret Parker) Date: Tue Aug 8 16:10:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Drupal & Plon In-Reply-To: <60a2c0c00608081224i4bb01fc9ube4d9e1d817939d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060807213933.177.qmail@web82112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060808025126.91272.qmail@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <60a2c0c00608081224i4bb01fc9ube4d9e1d817939d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D88D0202000010000A8AF8@mail.ci.stockton.ca.us> About the learning curve, it would be misleading to compare Zope to Plone. Although Plone is built on Zope, from my experience installing the two (though my Zope install was several years back), there is no comparison. Plone is a five-minute install and it works out of the box. That five minutes installs both Zope and Plone and that's that. The Zope install can be transparent to the administrator (at the outset, at least). Later there are opportunities, if one chooses, to lift the hood on Zope. Otherwise most administration is done through the Plone administration screens. Customization is where the learning curve exists. There are more and more books and other resources to help novices, however. Bret Parker, Senior Applications Programmer Analyst (MLIS) Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library City of Stockton (California) bret.parker@ci.stockton.ca.us (209) 937-7148 http://www.stockton.lib.ca.us >>> "Tom Keays" 8/8/2006 12:24:13 PM >>> I admire the AADL website and what they've accomplished using Drupal. Drupal is easy to install and get running but tricky to customize. If you are using pre-existing modules and themes, there is very little you have to do to have a working website. But to customize to the degree that AADL has done, you have a whole world of things to learn, including designing themes that allow customization, creating new modules for specialized functionality, and tweaking everything so the user interface is consistent. I'd be interested in learning which libraries use Drupal and whether libraries are sharing their work with each other. I don't know that much about Plone, but it has a reputation for being hard to install and work with, because it requires the Python-based CMS, Zope, as a backbone. I have worked with Zope and it has a long learning curve. On 8/7/06, hon hon wrote: > Hi All, > > I am wondering if anybody has some experieneces with > Drupal and Plone. Currently, we are trying to build a > website based upon some open source CMS such as Drupal > and Plone. So far I only know that the Ann Arbor > District Library http://www.aadl.org/ is using Drupal. > > > Could somebody shed some light on this? Which one is > better, Drupal or Plone, according your experience. > You might have other recommendations as well. > > Thanks, > Hongbin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > -- Tom _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dmattison at shaw.ca Tue Aug 8 16:16:54 2006 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Tue Aug 8 16:17:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? In-Reply-To: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0433532E@kelso.cudenver.edu> Message-ID: <000601c6bb27$978321f0$6801a8c0@Presario2B> I'm curious, having tried both Joomla and Mambo CMS, and since Joomla 1.0 is based on Mambo, why Joomla at such an early release stage would be chosen over the more mature Mambo. Thanks, David Mattison The Ten Thousand Year Blog: http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress Tiki Wiki Hut: http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of McHale, Nina Sent: August 8, 2006 11:21 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? If anyone's interested, Royal Oak (Michigan) Public Library recently launched a new site with Joomla: http://www.ropl.org/ Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Denver, Colorado From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Tue Aug 8 16:22:34 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Tue Aug 8 16:22:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? Message-ID: Joomla was branched from Mambo, so at the time of the split, Mambo 4.6 = Joomla 1.0. They've since parted features, and I don't know if they're maintaining compatibility (a philosophical fallout between the developers and the company behind Mambo (Miro?) on the nature of open source prompted the split.) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of D.H. Mattison Sent: August 8, 2006 4:17 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? I'm curious, having tried both Joomla and Mambo CMS, and since Joomla 1.0 is based on Mambo, why Joomla at such an early release stage would be chosen over the more mature Mambo. Thanks, David Mattison The Ten Thousand Year Blog: http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress Tiki Wiki Hut: http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of McHale, Nina Sent: August 8, 2006 11:21 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? If anyone's interested, Royal Oak (Michigan) Public Library recently launched a new site with Joomla: http://www.ropl.org/ Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From sturnbu at emory.edu Tue Aug 8 16:19:30 2006 From: sturnbu at emory.edu (Scott Turnbull) Date: Tue Aug 8 16:23:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Java Based CMS experiences? In-Reply-To: <000601c6bb27$978321f0$6801a8c0@Presario2B> References: <000601c6bb27$978321f0$6801a8c0@Presario2B> Message-ID: <44D8F1D2.8080404@emory.edu> Anyone have any experiences using Java based CMS apps for their library sites or resources? We've been looking at Liferay here as a possible experimental platform. I know believe Dspace is java based as well so there could be an easy basis for hooking if we ended up using it at a later date. Any thoughts or options are appreciated. - Scott Turnbull Emory Health Sciences Center Library Atlanta, GA From rviggian at mail.ucf.edu Tue Aug 8 16:35:17 2006 From: rviggian at mail.ucf.edu (Rachel Viggiano) Date: Tue Aug 8 16:35:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Job Posting - U of Central Florida Message-ID: Information Literacy Librarian - revised 7/28/06 University of Central Florida Libraries, Orlando The University of Central Florida Libraries seeks a proactive and innovative librarian to join the newly formed Information Literacy and Outreach department. A major, university-wide emphasis on Information Fluency, initiated by a library-authored white paper, is now underway. Integrating information literacy outcomes into the curriculum is the goal of the new library department. The new Information Literacy Librarian will join a team of librarians working on projects involving many departments, programs, and constituencies across the university. Responsibilities: Work in a collaborative environment to build a new information literacy program at a large academic institution. Participate in a team environment to develop the content for information literacy tutorials. Learn applicable software to create tutorial content as needed. Develop assessment strategies for the information literacy modules in collaboration with other librarians, the university assessment office, and Course Development and Web Services. Research library instruction technologies, gather information from other universities with strong information literacy programs, participate in continuing education and information literacy and instructional technology conferences to stay up-to-date and communicate current trends in the field back to the department and libraries. Work with faculty to integrate information literacy concepts into their curriculum. Teach library instruction sessions. Conduct workshops and give presentations as needed on information literacy for the university's faculty development conferences. Provide information literacy web content to the university Information Fluency web site. Qualifications: Required: Master's degree from an American Library Association accredited institution, and experience teaching library skills. Preferred: Demonstrated ability to work cooperatively in a team dynamic and with groups outside of the library. Experience identifying and assessing learning outcomes for information literacy. Familiarity with Association of College & Research Libraries (ACRL) information literacy standards. Familiarity with or experience developing online information literacy tutorials. Ability to create assignments for teaching information literacy and work with teaching faculty to integrate information literacy into the curriculum. Ability to use web-based instructional technologies, such as Macromedia Captivate or comparable software. Environment: The University of Central Florida is a growing metropolitan research university located 13 miles east of downtown Orlando. UCF has over 45,000 students, 4,700 employees, and serves a population of 1.5 million residents. The university offers 86 bachelor's, 68 master's, and 24 doctoral programs and confers about 7,000 degrees a year. The main library has a collection of over 1.6 million volumes and is a partial depository for government documents and patents. The library materials budget is $5.4 million. The staff of 124 includes a library faculty of 47. UCF offers an exciting and vibrant academic environment with growing collections, advanced technology, and an expanding campus. http://library.ucf.edu. Salary and Rank: Commensurate with experience and qualifications. This is a full-time, non-tenure track faculty position with generous insurance benefits and employer-funded retirement options, 22 paid annual days, 13 sick days, 9 holidays, and no state income tax. To Apply: Review of applications will begin in mid-July and continue until position is filled. Submit electronically an application letter, resume, and contact information for at least three professional references to Cynthia Kisby, Personnel Librarian, University of Central Florida Libraries; e-mail: ckisby@mail.ucf.edu. Finalists will be asked to give a brief presentation during the on-campus interview. UCF is an Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action employer. Searches are conducted in accordance with the state of Florida open-record regulations. From jaf30 at cornell.edu Tue Aug 8 18:21:38 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Tue Aug 8 18:21:43 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Java Based CMS experiences? In-Reply-To: <44D8F1D2.8080404@emory.edu> References: <000601c6bb27$978321f0$6801a8c0@Presario2B> <44D8F1D2.8080404@emory.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060808181252.01f2ec18@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> At 04:19 PM 8/8/2006, Scott Turnbull wrote: >Anyone have any experiences using Java based CMS apps for their >library sites or resources? We've been looking at Liferay here as a >possible experimental platform. Liferay is a Portal container, although it does have an embedded Content Management System >I know believe Dspace is java based as well so there could be an >easy basis for hooking if we ended up using it at a later date. DSpace is a digital object repository that comes with a somewhat customizable user interface. Yes, both are java based but neither is, by itself, a content management system. I've pretty familiar with Hypercontent *is* a java based content management that doesn't rely on a specific portal implementation or server environment to render the content. I think Hypercontent is a great system (and I'm not just saying that because I've known the author of the product for 4 years) but it does require a bit of a learning curve to set up as site. That's a problem that I have with many of the CMS's out there. IMHO, a CMS should just provide a mechanism for those without web site development skills to produce web content (and not necessary just for the web) and shouldn't be dependent upon a specific web server environment or portal to render that content. >Any thoughts or options are appreciated. > >- Scott Turnbull >Emory Health Sciences Center Library >Atlanta, GA >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ John Fereira jaf30@cornell.edu Ithaca, NY From kengwall at catawba.edu Wed Aug 9 00:59:47 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Wed Aug 9 00:59:50 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] wiki or cms? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <21548754.1155099587466.JavaMail.root@mail1.catawba.edu> Kim, That's an excellent point, and with all the libraries chiming in about their use of Plone, I decided to install it and try it out. I came to the conclusion that although a CMS would provide a richer environment with better integrated tools, it might be somewhat intimidating in its relative complexity. Perhaps Plone was a little too far on the other end of the spectrum.? It's a very impressive product, but the sheer number of features is a lot to absorb.? Those who are interested can read about my experience here: http://lamplit-librarian.blogspot.com. At the moment, I think I'm going to try starting them on a Wiki, and depending on how comfortable they get with that, I might try stepping up to a CMS. On the other hand, if a CMS were simple enough, it might strike the right balance.? I'll check out Joomla. Thanks, Keith > Keith, you may want to look into a content management system like Joomla > (joomla.com).??A wiki can still be a part of the larger CMS.??With > Joomla you can also have calendars, RSS feeds, surveys, forums, etc., in > addition to wikis. > Take a good look at what your content/information needs are to decide > if a wiki alone will do the job or if you need something more. > > --- > Kim Scannell > The Center Library From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Wed Aug 9 09:15:44 2006 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed Aug 9 09:15:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Keith, Just a note that you might be interested in. The access control that you are planning is an all or nothing thing, all ip addresses in the range can gain access to all pages. Those "pages" aren't in directories, they're in the underlying MySQL db. Here at the University of Waterloo, we had staff ask for areas on the wiki that could be restricted to certain groups to allow collaborative work on the draft of a report not yet meant for the eyes of all staff. WikiMedia provides for that kind of more fine grained access control internally. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo "One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say." --Will Durant On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > Some have requested I post a summary of responses to the list, so bon appetit! > > 1) Wikis: > > MediaWiki had the most recommendations. I installed MediaWiki, and got it up and running without too much trouble. The notion of creating a new page by creating a link to the new page really threw me for a loop initially, but once I got past that, it's been rather nice to use. In just two days, I've added enough content to see *great* potential for its use in the library. > > The following Wikis were also recommended: > MoinMoin (requires some work to make it pretty) > Instiki (uses Ruby) > Confluence ($$$ but apparently worth it) > TWiki > > 2) Access Control: > Deny all / Allow (set up in web server) > > 3) Calendar: > Not too much on this front. Actually, pickings are relatively slim for a locally hosted web-based calendar, so it seems. I checked out a few, including WebCalendar (http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php) and Plans (http://www.planscalendar.com). They were fairly similar. I will probably test-drive them both. > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:04 PM > To: web4lib > Cc: Engwall, Keith D > Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars > > Dear Web4lib, > > After the wonderful Technology Summit in Charlotte last Thursday, I've gotten the go ahead to create an internal Wiki at our library. > Questions: > > 1) Can anyone recommend an in-house wiki that is particularly user friendly (and pretty)? I've looked at a few, but would appreciate hearing from anyone who's actually implemented one. > > 2) For access control (internal Wiki), how are people handling this? > I'm thinking limiting access in the apache config to a particular subnet, but that may require some wrangling with IT to get our staff machines on their own subnet. > > 3) One of the things I'd like to provide is a calendar for people to use to post their schedules, vacations, etc. This is probably a separate piece, but can anyone recommend an in-house product for this? > > Thanks, > > Keith > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology > Catawba College > Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From kengwall at catawba.edu Wed Aug 9 09:51:21 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Wed Aug 9 09:51:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Message-ID: I'm running into the notion of "Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it", and I'd like to solicit some advice from the community. The faculty on our campus are starting to use persistent links from research resources (EBSCOhost, etc.) to link to full-text articles. One of the challenges they've run into is that these links are *directly* to the resource, and do not go through the library proxy server. Thus, when they are working from home, these persistent links do not work. I've figured out how to create a "Proxifier" bookmarklet that will allow them to enter the URL for the persistent link (or any URL), and it will prepend the proxy part of the URL and take them to the resource through the proxy. Now, our proxy (EZProxy) is set up to only work with specific URLs, so I *think* this is safe, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my brain that isn't so sure. Any thoughts, opinions? Is this foolhardy? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Wed Aug 9 10:36:15 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed Aug 9 10:36:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23b83f160608090736xe85fe97jea3a6ae396c6ce2a@mail.gmail.com> Keith, There is nothing foolhardy about this. I think your uphill battle will be getting people to know about the bookmarklet, installing it and knowing when and how to use it. Also their disappointment in learning that the bookmarklet doesn't work on their emailed TOC/current awareness feeds in their email client (unless they use webmail). Also, I'm not sure how your proxy is set up, but if it gives an error for links that aren't in the config, it could seem a little user-unfriendly. WAG the Dog does something very similar to this, but uses the EZProxy web service interface to determine beforehand which links should be proxied. http://www.library.gatech.edu/research_help/web_localizer.html We haven't had any problems. -Ross. On 8/9/06, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > > I'm running into the notion of "Just because you *can* do it doesn't > mean you *should* do it", and I'd like to solicit some advice from the > community. > > The faculty on our campus are starting to use persistent links from > research resources (EBSCOhost, etc.) to link to full-text articles. One > of the challenges they've run into is that these links are *directly* to > the resource, and do not go through the library proxy server. Thus, > when they are working from home, these persistent links do not work. > > I've figured out how to create a "Proxifier" bookmarklet that will allow > them to enter the URL for the persistent link (or any URL), and it will > prepend the proxy part of the URL and take them to the resource through > the proxy. > > Now, our proxy (EZProxy) is set up to only work with specific URLs, so I > *think* this is safe, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my > brain that isn't so sure. > > Any thoughts, opinions? Is this foolhardy? > > Thanks, > > Keith > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology > Catawba College > Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Wed Aug 9 10:36:48 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Wed Aug 9 10:36:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Message-ID: Does your campus support VPN? If your proxy server requires authentication (which I would hope it does, otherwise you're giving the internet access to your resources) AND you need to set up specific URLs to work with it AND you need to post a page with the properly munged links, it might be easier to simply ask that your faculty connect to a VPN. That way all of their links would work *almost* seamlessly. (I know with some VPN clients you can have it connect automatically if it detects it's trying to access a certain domain - thus if a faculty member tries to access "library.catawba.edu", the VPN could kick in and connect them automatically.) Just a thought. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall Sent: August 9, 2006 9:51 AM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? I'm running into the notion of "Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it", and I'd like to solicit some advice from the community. The faculty on our campus are starting to use persistent links from research resources (EBSCOhost, etc.) to link to full-text articles. One of the challenges they've run into is that these links are *directly* to the resource, and do not go through the library proxy server. Thus, when they are working from home, these persistent links do not work. I've figured out how to create a "Proxifier" bookmarklet that will allow them to enter the URL for the persistent link (or any URL), and it will prepend the proxy part of the URL and take them to the resource through the proxy. Now, our proxy (EZProxy) is set up to only work with specific URLs, so I *think* this is safe, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my brain that isn't so sure. Any thoughts, opinions? Is this foolhardy? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jaf30 at cornell.edu Wed Aug 9 10:40:32 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Wed Aug 9 10:41:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D9F3E0.7070808@cornell.edu> Hankinson, Andrew wrote: > Speaking of Calendars, this may not be ready for prime-time deployment > yet, but Apple just announced iCal Server > (http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html) and best of > all, it's being released as Open Source under the Apache 2.0 Source > License: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration > I'm just getting started on a project that is going to be looking at the Apple iCal server as well. In the java community, Bedework is gaining a lot of acceptance. From tapinformation at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 10:58:46 2006 From: tapinformation at yahoo.com (Tom Peters) Date: Wed Aug 9 10:58:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Announcement: Virtual Worlds, Education, and Libraries Message-ID: <20060809145846.11520.qmail@web82103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! On Thursday evening, October 12, and throughout the day on Friday, October 13 there will be a series of presentations and discussions about virtual worlds, education, and libraries. Details are below. For updates and hotlinks, please visit the OPAL master calendar of upcoming events at: http://www.opal-online.org/progschrono.htm The great thing about these events is that you can choose how you attend: in-person, in OPAL, and/or in Second Life. Thursday, October 12, 2006 beginning at 7:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 6:00 Central, 5:00 Mountain, 4:00 Pacific, and 11:00 p.m. GMT: VIRTUAL WORLDS AND EDUCATION: THE CUTTING EDGE A number of colleges and universities now are holding classes in virtual worlds such as Second Life. John Lester, Community Manager at Second Life, will discuss current and future education projects taking place in Second Life. Tom Peters and Lori Bell from the Alliance Second Life Library 2.0 project will discuss how your academic library can become involved through Alliance Library System. Librarians, encourage interested educators and administrators to attend this event--in person, through streaming audio in OPAL, or in Second Life itself! 6:00 to 6:45 p.m. Central Daylight Time: Overview of Higher Education Activities in Second Life, presented by John Lester, "Pathfinder Linden", Community Education Manager, Second Life 6:45 to 7:15 p.m. Central Daylight Time: Bradley University and Second Life, presented by Ed Lamoureux, Assoc. Professor, Multimedia Program and Department of Communication and Co-Director of the New Media Center, and Barbara Galik, Director, Cullom Davis Library, Bradley University 7:15 to 8:00 p.m. Central Daylight Time: Education Activities of Alliance Library System in Second Life, presented by Tom Peters, CEO of TAP Information Services, and Lori Bell, Director of Innovation at the Alliance Library System To Attend In Person Both sessions will be held at Alliance Library System in East Peoria, Illinois. Register via CLEO. Cost to attend in person is $10. Please write "Innovation Days" and the dates for which you are registering on your check. Please mail payment to: S. Zimmerman, Alliance Library System, 600 High Point Ln., E. Peoria, IL 61611. Sorry, credit/debit cards are not accepted. To Attend Virtually The sessions will be held in the open auditorium of Info Island in Second Life. A live audiocast from the sessions will be available via OPAL. Go to the entrance to the OPAL Auditorium, type your name, and press enter to hear the audio, even when in Second Life. Registration via CLEO is not necessary if attending via OPAL and/or Second Life. There is no cost to attend virtually via OPAL and/or Second Life. Friday, October 13, 2006 beginning at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 9:30 Central, 8:30 Mountain, 7:30 Pacific, and 2:30 p.m. GMT: VIRTUAL WORLDS AND ALTERNATE REALITIES: WHERE DO LIBRARIES FIT IN? During this exciting series of events you will learn what libraries are doing to extend library services and the library itself in virtual reality spaces. Learn how you can participate in the Alliance Library System's Second Life Library project and also how you can set up your own library in three-dimensional virtual reality. Speakers will show you various worlds and share issues, successes, and challenges in setting up libraries in virtual worlds. 9:30 a.m. Central Daylight Time: Welcome and Introductions, by Kitty Pope, Executive Director, Alliance Library System 9:45 a.m. Central Daylight Time: Introduction to Virtual Worlds and Educational Activities in Virtual Worlds, presented by John Lester, "Pathfinder Linden", Community Education Manager, Second Life 10:45 a.m. Central Daylight Time: break 11:00 a.m. Central Daylight Time: The Alliance Second Life Library Project: How To Get Involved, presented by Kitty Pope, Lori Bell, and Mary-Carol Lindbloom from the Alliance Library System Noon Central Daylight Time: Technology Leadership in Real Life, presented by Lori Johnson, CEO, Pearl Technologies 1:30 p.m. Central Daylight Time: The Teen Second Life Library Project: How To Get Involved, presented by Kelly Czarnecki, Teen Services Librarian, and Matt Gullett, Technology Education Librarian, ImaginOn, Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County. Want to offer library services for teens in virtual worlds? Learn about this exciting new service for teens that your library can offer. 2:00 p.m. Central Daylight Time: Perspective of the Millennial Librarian on Libraries in Virtual Worlds, presented by Jami Schwarzwalder, Library & Information Science graduate student, Indiana University 2:30 p.m. Central Daylight Time: Thoughts on What We've Learned About Libraries and Virtual Worlds Over the Last Six Months, presented by Tom Peters, Second Life Library Project evaluator, TAP Information Services. Tom will talk about what we have learned and the future of libraries in virtual worlds during the first six months of the Alliance Second Life Library project. To Attend In Person This mini-conference will be held at Alliance Library System in East Peoria, Illinois. Register online via CLEO. Cost to attend in person is $10. Please write "Innovation Days" on your check. Please mail payment to: S. Zimmerman, Alliance Library System, 600 High Point Ln., E. Peoria, IL 61611. Sorry, credit/debit cards are not accepted. To Attend Virtually The sessions will be held in the open auditorium of Info Island in Second Life. A live audiocast from the sessions will be available via OPAL. Go to the entrance to the OPAL Auditorium, type your name, and press enter to hear the audio, even when in Second Life. Registration via CLEO is not necessary if attending via OPAL and/or Second Life. There is no cost to attend virtually via OPAL and/or Second Life. Tom Peters, OPAL Coordinator TAP Information Services 1000 SW 23rd Street Blue Springs, MO 64015 phone: 816-228-6406 email: tapinformation@yahoo.com web: www.tapinformation.com TAP Information Services provides a wide variety of high quality planning, consulting, research, and assessment services supporting libraries, library consortia, government agencies, professional associations, and other information-intensive organizations. From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 9 12:03:54 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:08:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project Message-ID: <003101c6bbcd$6a490d20$6401a8c0@venus> To me the first question this raises is what this says about the Open Content Alliance. Thoughts? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com -----Original Message----- From: Dig_Ref [mailto:dig_ref@listserv.syr.edu] On Behalf Of John Jaeger Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:39 AM To: DIG_REF@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DIG_REF] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project http://chronicle.com/free/2006/08/2006080901t.htm From julied at lrl.leg.mn Wed Aug 9 12:14:19 2006 From: julied at lrl.leg.mn (julied@lrl.leg.mn) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:14:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Web4lib Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9 Message-ID: <345AE152973@lrl.leg.mn> I will be out of the library until Monday August 14th. If you have a reference question, please e-mail refdesk@lrl.leg.mn or call 651-296-8338. From Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu Wed Aug 9 12:18:14 2006 From: Roy.Tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:18:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <003101c6bbcd$6a490d20$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: On 8/9/06 9:03 AM, "K.G. Schneider" wrote: > To me the first question this raises is what this says about the Open > Content Alliance. Thoughts? "The UC libraries have worked for many years to harness technology and their vast library collections in the service of a broader mission ? support for scholarly innovation, learning, patient care, and cultural engagement. The libraries? digitization efforts support work in a number of interrelated areas, including digital preservation, resource discovery, scholarly publishing, and digital collection development. These efforts, undertaken with a range of highly valued partners, also support the aim of providing free and unfettered access to public domain works, and to exploring the exciting range of innovative information services that can be built upon them in the service of the libraries? numerous user communities. This is why the UC libraries are so pleased to partner in our digitization efforts with the Google Library Program and the members of the Open Content Alliance, all of whom share our compelling vision of access to the public domain." >From a document soon to be posted to the CDL web site. Working with one partner does not preclude working with another. Roy From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 9 12:33:17 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:33:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries JoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c6bbd1$8532dd60$6401a8c0@venus> > This is why the UC libraries are so pleased to partner in our digitization > efforts with the Google Library Program and the members of the Open > Content > Alliance, all of whom share our compelling vision of access to the public > domain." > > >From a document soon to be posted to the CDL web site. Working with one > partner does not preclude working with another. > Roy Sure, I agree with all that on principle... information wants to be replicated... etc. I'm just wondering what it means about the Open Content Alliance; is it really gaining any traction, or is this a sign that it's not really going anywhere. I'm not trying to tread on any toes, but for UC to participate in the Google Project, when OCA was "conceived" (as Wikipedia puts it) as a response to Google's closed, secretive nature, makes one wonder, one does, whether OCA is just another noble gesture that shall die, along with the principles it represents. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From james.fournie at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 12:38:05 2006 From: james.fournie at gmail.com (James Fournie) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:38:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS/Wiki discussion Message-ID: For those of you deciding on CMS and Wikis, I highly recommend you visit http://www.opensourcecms.com It allows you to try out numerous php/MySQL based systems, including MediaWiki and Drupal. It's a good way to get a feel for the systems. Unfortunately Plone is not represented, however you can try it at http://demo.plone.org I set up and tested dozens of systems for a library school project. My personal opinion is that the CMS depends on the usage. Drupal is very popular and has a large community, but I found it tricky to customize. Mambo is a decent system, and the users I tested it with responded well to it, however I found it to be unreliable, and missing some important features I needed. For a system with a lot of users uploading and downloading content, I'd recommend Plone, although the learning curve is steep, and it can be quirky to set up. If only one or two people are going to be updating the website, if it meets your needs, I'd recommend Wordpress. Wikis are wonderful, but I found that people in positions of authority were uncomfortable with the lack of security and control. I also find them less user friendly when dealing with things like Word documents. Good Luck, James Fournie james.fournie@gmail.com From johnston at virginia.edu Wed Aug 9 13:12:16 2006 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Wed Aug 9 13:14:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries JoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <000a01c6bbd1$8532dd60$6401a8c0@venus> References: <000a01c6bbd1$8532dd60$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> Karen, Keep in mind that OCA only launched as a formal production effort last October, and the delivery service hasn't even launched yet. Give OCA a little more time before wondering if it's dying, please. ;-) At the kickoff meeting last October Brewster was very supportive of the participating institutions working with whatever partners needed to get our collections digitized. He did not brand the project as one that's in opposition to Google except in its strategy for participants to opt-in rather than opting out in terms of the inclusion of copyright works. My principle concern about UC's participation in Google is that some of the UC public domain materials will be found through OCA only and some will be found through Google only. Figuring out what's where as a user could get complicated. It would be nice to see the content included in both services, providing multiple ways to discover and view the books. Leslie At 12:33 PM 8/9/2006, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > This is why the UC libraries are so pleased to partner in our digitization > > efforts with the Google Library Program and the members of the Open > > Content Alliance, all of whom share our compelling vision of > access to the public > > domain." > > > > >From a document soon to be posted to the CDL web site. Working with one > > partner does not preclude working with another. > > Roy > >Sure, I agree with all that on principle... information wants to be >replicated... etc. I'm just wondering what it means about the Open Content >Alliance; is it really gaining any traction, or is this a sign that it's not >really going anywhere. > >I'm not trying to tread on any toes, but for UC to participate in the Google >Project, when OCA was "conceived" (as Wikipedia puts it) as a response to >Google's closed, secretive nature, makes one wonder, one does, whether OCA >is just another noble gesture that shall die, along with the principles it >represents. > >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ ------------ Leslie Johnston Head, Digital Access Services University of Virginia Library http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/ http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/das/ johnston@virginia.edu From kengwall at catawba.edu Wed Aug 9 13:39:09 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Wed Aug 9 13:39:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all for the responses. I do not believe our campus currently supports VPN, but it's worth asking about. I also agree with Ross that it needs to be more user friendly, and I like the idea of spitting back a proxified URL (since Faculty will no doubt want to put these URLs in Blackboard and the like). Now that I feel more comfortable with the idea, I may dedicate more development cycles to it. In the meantime, for those who are interested, here is the script (all one line): Link Note that different types of bookmarklets may require processing on the string (str), such as escaping (which translates non-alpha-numeric characters into escape codes, such as %20 for spaces). In this case, because the string (str) is itself a URL, the string needs to *not* be escaped. You would put the above code on a web page with instructions telling the user to right-click the link and save it as a bookmark. I created my bookmarklet under the guidance of the following site: http://www.webreference.com/js/column35/index.html It has samples about six pages in. That is worth looking at for other bookmarklet applications, such as searching. You should be able to access our test bookmarklet on our dev site: http://libwebdev.catawba.edu/gadgets.php Cheers! Keith -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:37 AM To: web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Does your campus support VPN? If your proxy server requires authentication (which I would hope it does, otherwise you're giving the internet access to your resources) AND you need to set up specific URLs to work with it AND you need to post a page with the properly munged links, it might be easier to simply ask that your faculty connect to a VPN. That way all of their links would work *almost* seamlessly. (I know with some VPN clients you can have it connect automatically if it detects it's trying to access a certain domain - thus if a faculty member tries to access "library.catawba.edu", the VPN could kick in and connect them automatically.) Just a thought. From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 9 13:59:46 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed Aug 9 13:59:57 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 LibrariesJoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> > Karen, > > Keep in mind that OCA only launched as a formal production effort > last October, and the delivery service hasn't even launched yet. Give > OCA a little more time before wondering if it's dying, please. ;-) I will, but I can't be the only person who thought this, eh? :-) So, um, where IS the delivery service for OCA? > At the kickoff meeting last October Brewster was very supportive of > the participating institutions working with whatever partners needed > to get our collections digitized. He did not brand the project as > one that's in opposition to Google except in its strategy for > participants to opt-in rather than opting out in terms of the > inclusion of copyright works. So we can chalk up the Wikipedia entry on OCA to "wikiality"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Content_Alliance > My principle concern about UC's participation in Google is that some > of the UC public domain materials will be found through OCA only and > some will be found through Google only. Figuring out what's where as > a user could get complicated. It would be nice to see the content > included in both services, providing multiple ways to discover and > view the books. Another concern is whether UC will insist that items digitized in Google include physical library locations. I am dismayed to go to Google Books and see libraries "disappeared" through item records that feature the online book and online booksellers for the physical item, but make no mention of the physical location of the item in a real-world library. I'm not the anti-Google, but I'm hardly alone in watching UC choose this route and wondering what it means to OCA, let alone what it means to the user, let alone what it means to the future of information, particularly when content is sole-sourced in a commercial digital repository that has been around for less than a decade. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From darci.hanning at state.or.us Wed Aug 9 14:17:17 2006 From: darci.hanning at state.or.us (Darci Hanning) Date: Wed Aug 9 14:17:30 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS/Wiki discussion Message-ID: <0A3EC9ED-FF1B-40B8-8A70-4CD0C0C46DD7@state.or.us> > Unfortunately Plone is not represented, however you can try it at http://demo.plone.org I'm pretty sure that this site has gone away and isn't coming back anytime soon. Alternatively, you can download a single installation package for Windows or OS X and be playing with Plone on your laptop in a few minutes ;-) Latest release (2.5): http://plone.org/products/plone (it's been out less than a month) Personally, I recommend 2.1.3: http://plone.org/products/plone/releases/2.1.3 (There are probably other installers available for various *nix platforms floating around as well) Cheers, Darci -- Darci Hanning Technology Development Consultant Library Development Services Oregon State Library 250 Winter St. NE Salem, OR 97301 503-378-2527 darci.hanning@state.or.us From bordeaux at binghamton.edu Wed Aug 9 14:29:30 2006 From: bordeaux at binghamton.edu (Bordeaux, Abigail) Date: Wed Aug 9 14:29:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Message-ID: <5EA83EBFA109A24690B95D73CAD14AEF12DF9888@BUX2K.bgm.bu.int> Dear Keith, This kind of functionality is included in the LibX extension and we have not run into any problems with it yet. In the case of Ebsco, there is an option in the Ebsco Admin module to have your proxy string included in these links. Once in the admin module, go to the "Linking" tab, fill out the proxy information under "SetUp/Maintain Proxies" and check the options you want under "Persistent Links." Abigail Abigail Bordeaux Coordinator of Digital Library Initiatives Binghamton University Libraries PO Box 6012 | Vestal Parkway E. Binghamton, NY 13902-6012 607.777.3217 | bordeaux@binghamton.edu Yahoo!/AIM/Messenger: acbtanya -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Keith D. Engwall Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:51 AM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? I'm running into the notion of "Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it", and I'd like to solicit some advice from the community. The faculty on our campus are starting to use persistent links from research resources (EBSCOhost, etc.) to link to full-text articles. One of the challenges they've run into is that these links are *directly* to the resource, and do not go through the library proxy server. Thus, when they are working from home, these persistent links do not work. I've figured out how to create a "Proxifier" bookmarklet that will allow them to enter the URL for the persistent link (or any URL), and it will prepend the proxy part of the URL and take them to the resource through the proxy. Now, our proxy (EZProxy) is set up to only work with specific URLs, so I *think* this is safe, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my brain that isn't so sure. Any thoughts, opinions? Is this foolhardy? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From wprice at utpa.edu Wed Aug 9 14:33:48 2006 From: wprice at utpa.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed Aug 9 14:37:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? References: Message-ID: We don't have a problem with it. We gave a presentation to faculty a few years ago that included putting direct links to articles in their WebCT and other online pages, which is online here: http://www.lib.panam.edu/libserv/tutorials/linking/index.asp Ward Price The University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, TX 78541 ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Keith D. Engwall Sent: Wed 8/9/2006 8:51 AM To: web4lib Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? I'm running into the notion of "Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it", and I'd like to solicit some advice from the community. The faculty on our campus are starting to use persistent links from research resources (EBSCOhost, etc.) to link to full-text articles. One of the challenges they've run into is that these links are *directly* to the resource, and do not go through the library proxy server. Thus, when they are working from home, these persistent links do not work. I've figured out how to create a "Proxifier" bookmarklet that will allow them to enter the URL for the persistent link (or any URL), and it will prepend the proxy part of the URL and take them to the resource through the proxy. Now, our proxy (EZProxy) is set up to only work with specific URLs, so I *think* this is safe, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my brain that isn't so sure. Any thoughts, opinions? Is this foolhardy? Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Aug 9 14:21:59 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed Aug 9 14:38:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS/Wiki discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608091421.59666.bennetttm@appstate.edu> One of the pages at opensourcecms.com links to http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ which is not limited to PHP/MySQL and you can use the form on their page to select up to 10 content management tools to compare at once. Thomas On Wednesday 09 August 2006 12:38, James Fournie wrote: > For those of you deciding on CMS and Wikis, I highly recommend you > visit http://www.opensourcecms.com It allows you to try out numerous > php/MySQL based systems, including MediaWiki and Drupal. It's a good > way to get a feel for the systems. > > Unfortunately Plone is not represented, however you can try it at > http://demo.plone.org > > I set up and tested dozens of systems for a library school project. > My personal opinion is that the CMS depends on the usage. Drupal is > very popular and has a large community, but I found it tricky to > customize. Mambo is a decent system, and the users I tested it with > responded well to it, however I found it to be unreliable, and missing > some important features I needed. For a system with a lot of users > uploading and downloading content, I'd recommend Plone, although the > learning curve is steep, and it can be quirky to set up. If only one > or two people are going to be updating the website, if it meets your > needs, I'd recommend Wordpress. > > Wikis are wonderful, but I found that people in positions of authority > were uncomfortable with the lack of security and control. I also find > them less user friendly when dealing with things like Word > documents. > > Good Luck, > > James Fournie > james.fournie@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From johnston at virginia.edu Wed Aug 9 16:05:59 2006 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Wed Aug 9 16:06:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 LibrariesJoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> References: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809155454.02fc0d50@virginia.edu> At 01:59 PM 8/9/2006, K.G. Schneider wrote: > > Karen, > > > > Keep in mind that OCA only launched as a formal production effort > > last October, and the delivery service hasn't even launched yet. Give > > OCA a little more time before wondering if it's dying, please. ;-) > >I will, but I can't be the only person who thought this, eh? :-) So, um, >where IS the delivery service for OCA? At one point they announced it for October of this year. I'm not sure how widely they've publicized that time frame, but that's what we heard as participants. > > At the kickoff meeting last October Brewster was very supportive of > > the participating institutions working with whatever partners needed > > to get our collections digitized. He did not brand the project as > > one that's in opposition to Google except in its strategy for > > participants to opt-in rather than opting out in terms of the > > inclusion of copyright works. > >So we can chalk up the Wikipedia entry on OCA to "wikiality"? > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Content_Alliance No, I'm just saying that Brewster has been pretty cautious about how he's compared the projects. At least until now. There was just this quote in an American Libraries online story about UC joining: Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle told Cnet that while he was pleased the university will continue to work with the OCA, he criticized UC for "privatizing its library system" by agreeing to Google's limitations on distributing and sharing copies of digitized books. "They're effectively giving their library to a single corporation," he said. "Having a public institution decide to go with Google's restrictions doesn't help the idea of libraries being open in the future." > > My principle concern about UC's participation in Google is that some > > of the UC public domain materials will be found through OCA only and > > some will be found through Google only. Figuring out what's where as > > a user could get complicated. It would be nice to see the content > > included in both services, providing multiple ways to discover and > > view the books. > >Another concern is whether UC will insist that items digitized in Google >include physical library locations. I am dismayed to go to Google Books and >see libraries "disappeared" through item records that feature the online >book and online booksellers for the physical item, but make no mention of >the physical location of the item in a real-world library. > >I'm not the anti-Google, but I'm hardly alone in watching UC choose this >route and wondering what it means to OCA, let alone what it means to the >user, let alone what it means to the future of information, particularly >when content is sole-sourced in a commercial digital repository that has >been around for less than a decade. > >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Web4lib mailing list >Web4lib@webjunction.org >http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Wed Aug 9 17:10:51 2006 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed Aug 9 17:11:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 LibrariesJoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809155454.02fc0d50@virginia.edu> References: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> <6.2.5.6.0.20060809155454.02fc0d50@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <44DA4F5B.5050803@kcoyle.net> > Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle told Cnet that while he was > pleased the university will continue to work with the OCA, he > criticized UC for "privatizing its library system" by agreeing to > Google's limitations on distributing and sharing copies of digitized > books. "They're effectively giving their library to a single > corporation," he said. "Having a public institution decide to go with > Google's restrictions doesn't help the idea of libraries being open in > the future." This brings up one of the main questions on my mind: what does the UC contract say about sharing the files that Google creates? Fortunately, UC is a public institution subject to the California public records act, so I'm hoping that we will soon be able to see a copy of that contract, as we did with the Michigan one. There are other issues as well, including the quality control one that we've brought up here from time to time. Google's goal is to produce searchable text, and they can do so fairly quickly and inexpensively by tolerating a certain amount of error. UC's goal seems to be different -- there are hints that they are looking at the Google solution as providing them with almost a substitute for the book itself.* My fear is that all of this effort is going to turn out to be just the digital version of microfiche -- good from a technology point of view, but lousy for library users. kc * See comments by Schoettlander about preservation in Aug. 9 announcement http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/2006/aug09.html, as well as the comment from Hume, "Amongst them, of course, is the free and unfettered full-text access we can provide to our public domain holdings." -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From johnston at virginia.edu Wed Aug 9 17:30:27 2006 From: johnston at virginia.edu (Leslie Johnston) Date: Wed Aug 9 17:30:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <44DA4F5B.5050803@kcoyle.net> References: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> <6.2.5.6.0.20060809155454.02fc0d50@virginia.edu> <44DA4F5B.5050803@kcoyle.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809172034.02faabc0@virginia.edu> At 05:10 PM 8/9/2006, Karen Coyle wrote: >>Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle told Cnet that while he was >>pleased the university will continue to work with the OCA, he >>criticized UC for "privatizing its library system" by agreeing to >>Google's limitations on distributing and sharing copies of >>digitized books. "They're effectively giving their library to a >>single corporation," he said. "Having a public institution decide >>to go with Google's restrictions doesn't help the idea of libraries >>being open in the future." > >This brings up one of the main questions on my mind: what does the >UC contract say about sharing the files that Google creates? >Fortunately, UC is a public institution subject to the California >public records act, so I'm hoping that we will soon be able to see a >copy of that contract, as we did with the Michigan one. > >There are other issues as well, including the quality control one >that we've brought up here from time to time. Google's goal is to >produce searchable text, and they can do so fairly quickly and >inexpensively by tolerating a certain amount of error. UC's goal >seems to be different -- there are hints that they are looking at >the Google solution as providing them with almost a substitute for >the book itself.* My fear is that all of this effort is going to >turn out to be just the digital version of microfiche -- good from a >technology point of view, but lousy for library users. I had an offline conversation about this earlier this afternoon, and the goal for UC likely is a straightforward one -- get as many books digitized as possible through whichever partnerships present themselves to be able to create their own UC-wide digital book resource. Sure, there are issues with books being available through multiple services, and Google being a closed service, and how any of this jibes with UC being a public institution. But, in the end, UC is going to get a lot of its collections digitized and will be able to deliver them in as many ways as they can. >kc > >* See comments by Schoettlander about preservation in Aug. 9 >announcement >http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/2006/aug09.html, as well >as the comment from Hume, "Amongst them, of course, is the free and >unfettered full-text access we can provide to our public domain holdings." > >-- >----------------------------------- >Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant >kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net >ph.: 510-540-7596 >fx.: 510-848-3913 >mo.: 510-435-8234 From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Wed Aug 9 18:13:56 2006 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed Aug 9 18:14:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809172034.02faabc0@virginia.edu> References: <6.2.5.6.0.20060809125111.031ed120@virginia.edu> <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> <6.2.5.6.0.20060809155454.02fc0d50@virginia.edu> <44DA4F5B.5050803@kcoyle.net> <6.2.5.6.0.20060809172034.02faabc0@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <44DA5E24.8060103@kcoyle.net> Another question, one that doesn't relate only to UC: what about accessibility, in the ADA sense, to Google Books? I haven't seen much discussion of this, although I did find an article by someone who has collaborated with the National Association of the Blind and Dyslexic (who worked hard on e-book accessibility): http://www.benetech.org/about/whitepapers/*google*-access-022705.pdf He argues that Google should make text available for each image that it displays if it wishes to give equal access to those with sight disabilities. This of course opens up the analog piracy box pretty wide, although the author of this paper advocates that disabled users be specially authorized for this access for books that are not in the public domain. I would think that this becomes an issue for the public institutions due to the ADA requirements, but I don't know whether it applies to Google. I do recall that when I was at CDL the organization received occasional requests under ADA (from inside or outside of UC) for the full text of the UC Press books that were online. They would verify the user's status (no, I don't know how) and would generate a special copy of the full text of the book for the user. This could raise an interesting question about who owns the files -- that is, could Google be required to provide the full text of a book that it displays online as images? Could one of the universities be asked to supply the full text of a book of theirs that is displayed on Google? Now that I've formulated the question, I may see if Mary Minow, over at librarylaw.com, has any ideas on this one. kc Leslie Johnston wrote: > At 05:10 PM 8/9/2006, Karen Coyle wrote: > >>> Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle told Cnet that while he was >>> pleased the university will continue to work with the OCA, he >>> criticized UC for "privatizing its library system" by agreeing to >>> Google's limitations on distributing and sharing copies of digitized >>> books. "They're effectively giving their library to a single >>> corporation," he said. "Having a public institution decide to go >>> with Google's restrictions doesn't help the idea of libraries being >>> open in the future." >> >> This brings up one of the main questions on my mind: what does the UC >> contract say about sharing the files that Google creates? >> Fortunately, UC is a public institution subject to the California >> public records act, so I'm hoping that we will soon be able to see a >> copy of that contract, as we did with the Michigan one. >> >> There are other issues as well, including the quality control one >> that we've brought up here from time to time. Google's goal is to >> produce searchable text, and they can do so fairly quickly and >> inexpensively by tolerating a certain amount of error. UC's goal >> seems to be different -- there are hints that they are looking at the >> Google solution as providing them with almost a substitute for the >> book itself.* My fear is that all of this effort is going to turn out >> to be just the digital version of microfiche -- good from a >> technology point of view, but lousy for library users. > > I had an offline conversation about this earlier this afternoon, and > the goal for UC likely is a straightforward one -- get as many books > digitized as possible through whichever partnerships present > themselves to be able to create their own UC-wide digital book resource. > > Sure, there are issues with books being available through multiple > services, and Google being a closed service, and how any of this jibes > with UC being a public institution. But, in the end, UC is going to > get a lot of its collections digitized and will be able to deliver > them in as many ways as they can. > >> kc >> >> * See comments by Schoettlander about preservation in Aug. 9 >> announcement >> http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/2006/aug09.html, as well >> as the comment from Hume, "Amongst them, of course, is the free and >> unfettered full-text access we can provide to our public domain >> holdings." >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------- >> Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant >> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net >> ph.: 510-540-7596 >> fx.: 510-848-3913 >> mo.: 510-435-8234 > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------ From drweb at san.rr.com Wed Aug 9 21:20:41 2006 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Wed Aug 9 21:20:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 Libraries Join Google Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009801c6bc1b$32b9bcd0$3a964b42@PMM> I'm pleased to see this development. Overall, competition is good for the digital library space. In most of the agreements I've seen, like from Michigan, one benefit the institutions gain in most of the cases is they get their *own* copy of the digital materials, item by item. It's not too far-fetched I think to believe that the UC system will come with unique, hosted, services of this content.. perhaps with tools or resources to the metadata or content that Google may not implement. That would be a good thing, in my sense of UC's holdings "online." True, we might have multiple versions of the "same book content" online in separate archives, but that's probably going to happen in most of the book digital repository projects. I also can foresee that talented library programmers will "smash up" tools and search engines that combine the repositories contents, and provide metasearch of them. Best, DrWeb -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Do not underestimate the power of the Force. Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:15:06 PM From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Thu Aug 10 10:09:58 2006 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:10:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Message-ID: Hi, We have a collection of old photographs that we wish to display on the Web. One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but not both. We would also like to index the collection and make it searchable. Is there software that will assist us with this? What meta language is best for indexing photographs? Regards John John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* Tá eolas atá príobháideach agus rúnda sa ríomhphost seo agus aon iatán a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amháin a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. Má tá an ríomhphost seo faighte agat trí dhearmad, cuir an seoltóir ar an eolas thrí aischur ríomhphoist agus scrios ansin é le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From Walt.Crawford at rlg.org Thu Aug 10 10:19:49 2006 From: Walt.Crawford at rlg.org (Walt.Crawford@rlg.org) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:20:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Cites & Insights 6:10 available Message-ID: Well, it's not the special "design and typography" mini-issue I was promising, but it is a special issue. Cites & Insights 6:10, August 2006, is now available at http://citesandinsights.info/civ6i10.pdf Do note the new address. This 30-page issue is almost entirely one essay: * Perspective: Looking at Liblogs: The Great Middle an informal examination of 213 library-person weblogs that fall in the middle of the power-law curve. There's also a brief * Bibs & Blather Yes, there will be a separate September issue. Probably in September. NOTE: As usual, the essays are also available as HTML separates--but *please* don't download the Perspective as HTML if you plan to print it out: You'll use 48 or 49 pages instead of the 30 for the full issue in PDF form. From rcoleman at ushmm.org Thu Aug 10 10:26:54 2006 From: rcoleman at ushmm.org (Coleman, Ronald) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:27:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Message-ID: Hi, John, You may want to look at the open-source Greenstone Digital Library software package: http://www.greenstone.org/cgi-bin/library. Several libraries have used it to create and manage digital photo collections like yours. See here for examples: http://www.greenstone.org/cgi-bin/library?e=p-en-home-utfZz-8&a=p&p=examples. Ron Coleman Systems Librarian United States Holocaust Memorial Museum 100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW Washington, DC 20024 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:10 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Hi, We have a collection of old photographs that we wish to display on the Web. One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but not both. We would also like to index the collection and make it searchable. Is there software that will assist us with this? What meta language is best for indexing photographs? Regards John John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Thu Aug 10 10:52:41 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:52:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Message-ID: I've tried Greenstone, and while I don't doubt its power, I found its templating system arcane and frustrating and I actually had to edit the C code to get it to properly validate. I'm not quite sure what you mean by you can "standardize the width or the height, but not both." What are you using to create the thumbnails? Since resizing is based on ratios, you should only be able to resize one dimension and the ratio will stay the same for the other dimension. So if I resize a 640x480 picture to 50% width (320) it will automatically calculate the height (240). Specifying a width and height independent of the ratio will distort the picture, which is generally considered a bad practice. I'm assuming from your want to index and search it that you're looking at deploying a fairly stable, long-term solution for a digital collection? I'm particularly partial to Dspace, but you could also have a look at Eprints. Both of these are great for doing large digital collections, and have active support communities on the web. By using these packages, you get stuff like OAI-PMH compatibility, full-text indexing of documents and proper storage "models" (MODS, METS) as part of the package. (As opposed to using something like, say, Gallery which will display your pictures but its long-term usefulness is limited. Using one of these systems will also automate the creation of thumbnails, which might save you some time. They're not trivial to set up, however, and would require someone with a knowledge of server software to deploy it. This might be a bit of overkill, but if it's a long-term solution you're seeking it's well worth the effort. For describing and indexing, I would definitely go with Dublin Core as the base, and then extend it as needed with either a local metadata schema or another standard. Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Coleman, Ronald Sent: August 10, 2006 10:27 AM To: John Fitzgibbon; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Hi, John, You may want to look at the open-source Greenstone Digital Library software package: http://www.greenstone.org/cgi-bin/library. Several libraries have used it to create and manage digital photo collections like yours. See here for examples: http://www.greenstone.org/cgi-bin/library?e=p-en-home-utfZz-8&a=p&p=examples. Ron Coleman Systems Librarian United States Holocaust Memorial Museum 100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW Washington, DC 20024 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:10 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web Hi, We have a collection of old photographs that we wish to display on the Web. One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but not both. We would also like to index the collection and make it searchable. Is there software that will assist us with this? What meta language is best for indexing photographs? Regards John John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From DKANE at wit.ie Thu Aug 10 10:59:55 2006 From: DKANE at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Thu Aug 10 11:00:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44DB57FA.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> You should check out the IVRLA (Irish Virtual Research Library and Archives). http://www.ucd.ie/ivrla/gallery.html They use Fedora. Notice the differently proportioned gallery images are all constrained within boxes of a standard size. David. David Kane WIT Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ ++353.51302838 From kengwall at catawba.edu Thu Aug 10 15:02:36 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Thu Aug 10 15:02:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 LibrariesJoinGoogle Book-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: <002c01c6bbdd$9a3b9380$6401a8c0@venus> Message-ID: > Another concern is whether UC will insist that items digitized in Google include physical library locations. I > am dismayed to go to Google Books and see libraries "disappeared" through item records that feature the online > book and online booksellers for the physical item, but make no mention of the physical location of the item > in a real-world library. According to a talk from one of Google's muckety-mucks in April (at the Endeavor User's Group Meeting), Google is not interested in suppressing library information. It's the publishers who are making that a stipulation of their involvement. From that, I'd hope that Google would not try to oppose library information for UC's digitized collection. Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Library kengwall@catawba.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 10 15:08:53 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Thu Aug 10 15:09:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] University of California's 100 LibrariesJoinGoogleBook-Scanning Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009d01c6bcb0$6c4f9a60$6401a8c0@venus> > > Another concern is whether UC will insist that items digitized in Google > include physical library locations. I > > am dismayed to go to Google Books and see libraries "disappeared" > through item records that feature the online > > book and online booksellers for the physical item, but make no mention > of the physical location of the item > > in a real-world library. > > According to a talk from one of Google's muckety-mucks in April (at the > Endeavor User's Group Meeting), Google is not interested in suppressing > library information. It's the publishers who are making that a > stipulation of their involvement. From that, I'd hope that Google would > not try to oppose library information for UC's digitized collection. Right, even at my most paranoid I don't think Google is actively suppressing this information. But it is not available and it has not been a significant bargaining point. It's interesting how much clout the PUBLISHERS have had over a project that theoretically benefits libraries and library users. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Aug 10 16:27:41 2006 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Thu Aug 10 16:27:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access Control: Wiki vs. CMS Message-ID: I am repeatedly impressed by how often, when librarians consider wikis, their first thought seems to be of access control. The idea of "just anybody being able to edit our Web pages" seems somehow innately abhorrent. It leads me to wonder if they "get" the very idea of a wiki. The first wiki (The Portland Pattern Repository Wiki ) has always allowed anyone to edit any page and is a very successful project. There are many others, Wikipedia not least among them. Access control is part of the definition of a Content Management System, which comes to the Web via the corporate world. A Wiki is a different beast entirely. Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library From kengwall at catawba.edu Thu Aug 10 17:23:58 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Thu Aug 10 17:24:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access Control: Wiki vs. CMS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can only speak for myself. I'm not trying to put up a wiki for its own sake. I'm trying to create a staff intranet for policies, procedures, and other material not meant for public consumption. I just happen to be using a wiki as the tool to do that. In that context, access control is very appropriate. In fact, I think it's only natural for libraries to start with an internal wiki until they comfortable with them. Part of the goal of our internal wiki is to train the staff so that later we can have one (or more) public wikis. The notion that wiki's imply open access is based on the assumption that wiki's are only good for completely open collaboration, and that's just not true. A wiki is a tool, and has applications in many contexts... some of those contexts happen to require varying degrees of access control. A nice in-between example is a library building project. It's a great idea to put information about a building project on a wiki. It's persistent (these projects can take years), searchable, and you want to solicit feedback and discussion. However, it's a really *bad* idea to leave the content of the library building plan open for editing. Thus, some access control is needed. Also, part of the reason you keep hearing about wikis and access control is that setting up a wiki *without* access control is pretty darn easy and doesn't require asking questions on web4lib. *grin* Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Library kengwall@catawba.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:28 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Access Control: Wiki vs. CMS I am repeatedly impressed by how often, when librarians consider wikis, their first thought seems to be of access control. The idea of "just anybody being able to edit our Web pages" seems somehow innately abhorrent. It leads me to wonder if they "get" the very idea of a wiki. The first wiki (The Portland Pattern Repository Wiki ) has always allowed anyone to edit any page and is a very successful project. There are many others, Wikipedia not least among them. Access control is part of the definition of a Content Management System, which comes to the Web via the corporate world. A Wiki is a different beast entirely. Chris Gray Systems Analyst University of Waterloo Library _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From vctinney at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 10 17:55:46 2006 From: vctinney at sbcglobal.net (Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.) Date: Thu Aug 10 17:57:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Original Registration - Google - UC - WorldCat - ETC. In-Reply-To: <968B80AA83CAAC4D89EDFD0496B00E3F93E912@OAEXCH2SERVER.oa.oclc.org> References: <968B80AA83CAAC4D89EDFD0496B00E3F93E912@OAEXCH2SERVER.oa.oclc.org> Message-ID: <44DBAB62.50403@sbcglobal.net> Original Registration - Google - UC - WorldCat - ETC. The United States Copyright Office deposit requirements states "two complete copies or phonorecords of the best edition" of works published in the U.S.; "one complete copy or phonorecord of the work as first published" outside U.S. If the United States Copyright Office, as well as other office agencies worldwide, would change the Original Registration requirements, they could save billions of dollars over time in wasted reproduction processes, by including digital copies of works, as well as provide a universal standard format for indexing each work deposited, to secure technology control over the distribution of "copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending". Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ From Christopher.Wilkinson at cityofdenton.com Thu Aug 10 18:22:35 2006 From: Christopher.Wilkinson at cityofdenton.com (Christopher Wilkinson) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:23:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Public Library Webpages In-Reply-To: <20060810160008.69933189AF8@lists.webjunction.org> References: <20060810160008.69933189AF8@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <44DB6B5B020000A900000117@mail.cityofdenton.com> I've been given a charge to gather information on public library's that are able to design their own unique websites while still operating within their governing bodies policy proscriptions. At the moment I'm surveying library homepages in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex and have found several examples to my liking. What I would like to request from the list is this: Are you a library in this situation and if so how did you go about the process of gaining creative domain over your homepage? Was it achieved within the current policy or was a new policy required? Also, once the design of your new homepage was underway, what are some of the things that you were able to do that you could not under the old design perameters? c.erik wilkinson / denton public library denton, tx From mita.34795051 at bloglines.com Thu Aug 10 18:37:41 2006 From: mita.34795051 at bloglines.com (mita.34795051@bloglines.com) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:37:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access Control: Wiki vs. CMS Message-ID: <1155249461.3400646573.10315.sendItem@bloglines.com> Not so long ago, I thought I would never pay money for web-based software that I couldn't *own*. But along came Flickr and after I tried it out, I ponied up. Similarly, if I had the opportunity to choose collaboration software for a group, I would be tempted to pick Basecamp ( http://www.basecamphq.com/ ) even through the version with all the bells and whistles would cost $49 a month. Anyone had any experience with Basecamp? From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Fri Aug 11 05:54:12 2006 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Fri Aug 11 05:54:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] windows software for indexing and managing images Message-ID: Hi, I'm seeking software that will allow me to index images with a view to making these images available on the web. It should also be possible to automatically create thumbnail images. I am aware of DSpace, Eprints and Gallery but I'm looking for software that will work with Windows IIS. These aforementioned solutions all run on the Unix operating system. Any ideas would be very welcome. Regards John John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* Tá eolas atá príobháideach agus rúnda sa ríomhphost seo agus aon iatán a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amháin a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. Má tá an ríomhphost seo faighte agat trí dhearmad, cuir an seoltóir ar an eolas thrí aischur ríomhphoist agus scrios ansin é le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From jorgeserrano at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 06:52:02 2006 From: jorgeserrano at gmail.com (Jorge Serrano Cobos) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:52:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] rssify del.icio.us, citeseer google scholar... Message-ID: <668dcc760608110352l35d24231i54ad2b3c584c47b3@mail.gmail.com> Excuse me, dear friends: Does anyone know how to rrsify a search into del.icio.us or other rss directory or search engine, like this one?: http://del.icio.us/search/?fr=del_icio_us&p=information+seeking&type=all I know I can rssify a tag results page, like: http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/webanalytics but I see nothing for a specific search, as far as I know, like google alerts, for instance. Any other great rss directory or service or tool could permit that? Is there such a service, hack or tool applied to something like cite seer, google scholar, etc, in order to be updated about a more specific keyword articles, theses, etc...? Thanks in advance for your answers, -- Jorge Serrano Cobos Contents Department http//www.masmedios.com Thinkepi Member http://www.thinkepi.net Personal Webl: http://trucosdegoogle.blogspot.com From lou at louisrosenfeld.com Fri Aug 11 07:58:09 2006 From: lou at louisrosenfeld.com (Louis Rosenfeld) Date: Fri Aug 11 07:58:11 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] OCLC WorldCat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know if... 1) It has an API? 2) There's a way to get a total number of libraries holding an item, rather than only by country or zip? I'd like to establish global holding numbers if possible. I've tried contacting OCLC directly, but no luck. They're probably busy with the new launch. Thanks! cheers -- Louis Rosenfeld :: http://louisrosenfeld.com Rosenfeld Media :: http://rosenfeldmedia.com From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Fri Aug 11 10:06:39 2006 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Fri Aug 11 10:06:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Access Control: Wiki vs. CMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to thank people for thoughtful comments they've sent both on and off list. I'd have to agree with the point that there are many aspects of wiki software aside from open collaboration that make it attractive. The value of software lies largely in the use that can be made of it. I'm just wondering, in the case of wikis, where the dividing line is between creative reuse and adaptation of a tool and seeing every problem as a nail because you happen to have a hammer. There are often good reasons for picking something with less capability because it is easier to use. (I have Microsoft Office and OpenOffice on my PC, but I use Notepad daily and WordPad frequently while I hardly touch Word or OpenOffice Writer.) I'm also interested in the progress I've witnessed from "let's try out this Lib 2.0 stuff" to "let's try a wiki" to "we don't want just anybody editing our pages". There are certainly legitimate reasons for restricting access to a wiki depending on purpose, but sometimes I get the feeling it is partly a reaction of "whoa, this open access stuff is scary". I've set up both open access and restricted access wikis for our staff to play around with and in part it was explicitly to allow them to become comfortable with the whole idea through experience. But I think in some ways it would be better for them to learn (especially, if Lib 2.0 is their focus) by participating in a living open wiki like Wikipedia or Library Success. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > I'm not trying to put up a wiki for its own sake. I'm trying to create > a staff intranet for policies, procedures, and other material not meant > for public consumption. I just happen to be using a wiki as the tool to > do that. In that context, access control is very appropriate. > > In fact, I think it's only natural for libraries to start with an > internal wiki until they comfortable with them. Part of the goal of our > internal wiki is to train the staff so that later we can have one (or > more) public wikis. From kengwall at catawba.edu Fri Aug 11 16:41:34 2006 From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall) Date: Fri Aug 11 16:41:42 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Message-ID: On a matter almost wholly unrelated to the staff calendar I had asked about before... I'm looking for a nice web-based calendar/PIM service (not locally hosted) that has the following on one page and that is fairly responsive to do list links calendar I've found several that do 1 or 2, and a few that do all three but not on the same page (30 boxes falls under this category). Also it would be nice if it were fairly responsive (a few I tried were sloooooowwww) Right now I've settled on HipCal... of the sites that do 2 out of 3, I like that one best. Thanks, Keith --------------------------------- Keith Engwall Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC kengwall@catawba.edu "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman From boeninge at ohio.edu Fri Aug 11 16:51:29 2006 From: boeninge at ohio.edu (Chad F. Boeninger) Date: Fri Aug 11 16:52:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used Gallery () for this purpose on my personal web site. With gallery, you can assign keyword terms to photos that are searchable, not visible. You can have nested galleries, and the software automatically records how many views a picture has received. You can also customize the size of each picture, and users can have multiple sizes to choose from when viewing. There is also a product called Gallery Remote that works very much like the Flickr desktop uploader. Best of all, Gallery is opensource, the price is right for libraries. Hope this helps, Chad --On Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:09 PM +0100 John Fitzgibbon wrote: > Hi, > > We have a collection of old photographs that we wish to display on the > Web. > > One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we > can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but > not both. > > We would also like to index the collection and make it searchable. > > Is there software that will assist us with this? What meta language is > best for indexing photographs? > > Regards > John > > John Fitzgibbon > > p: 00 353 91 562471 > f: 00 353 91 565039 > w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie > > ******************************************************************* > T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo > agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine > sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. > Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n > a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. > M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, > cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist > agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. > > This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is > private and confidential and is intended for the addressee > only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised > to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify > the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. > ********************************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ .......................................................................... Chad F. Boeninger Reference & Instruction Librarian Business & Economics Bibliographer Ohio University Libraries boeninge@ohio.edu (740) 597-1932 AIM & Yahoo IM: cfboeninger http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/businessblog/ http://www.library.ohiou.edu/subjects/bizwiki/ From jhsteven at law.stetson.edu Fri Aug 11 16:58:20 2006 From: jhsteven at law.stetson.edu (Stevens, Julieanne H.) Date: Fri Aug 11 16:58:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another great tool for organizing photos and publishing them to the web is thumbs plus. It's an affordable software package that also makes thumbnails, includes an FTP function and allows you to "batch" convert photos. I've been using it personally for years and really like the program. http://www.cerious.com/ Julieanne Hartman Stevens, MLS, JD Electronic Services and Reference Librarian Stetson University College of Law 1401 61st Street South Gulfport, Florida 33707-3299 Direct Line 727-562-7304 Internal Extension 7204 JHSteven@law.stetson.edu "In the nonstop tsunami of global information, librarians provide us with floaties and teach us how to swim." Linton Weeks -- From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Fri Aug 11 19:56:48 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Fri Aug 11 19:56:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23b83f160608111656x2f8f679bt19928767eed85dd6@mail.gmail.com> Keith, Have you tried Google Calendar? It's pretty slick. If you use GMail, it will find things that look events in your mail and give you an option to add them to your calendar. -Ross. On 8/11/06, Keith D. Engwall wrote: > On a matter almost wholly unrelated to the staff calendar I had asked > about before... > > I'm looking for a nice web-based calendar/PIM service (not locally > hosted) that has the following on one page and that is fairly responsive > > to do list > links > calendar > > I've found several that do 1 or 2, and a few that do all three but not > on the same page (30 boxes falls under this category). > > Also it would be nice if it were fairly responsive (a few I tried were > sloooooowwww) > > Right now I've settled on HipCal... of the sites that do 2 out of 3, I > like that one best. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology > Catawba College > Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From lars at aronsson.se Sat Aug 12 05:43:13 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Sat Aug 12 05:43:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Wikis, access control, calendars In-Reply-To: <44D9F3E0.7070808@cornell.edu> References: <44D9F3E0.7070808@cornell.edu> Message-ID: John Fereira wrote: > Hankinson, Andrew wrote: > > Speaking of Calendars, this may not be ready for prime-time > > deployment yet, but Apple just announced iCal Server > > I'm just getting started on a project that is going to be > looking at the Apple iCal server as well. In the java > community, Bedework is gaining a lot of acceptance. Is there any use for iCal servers outside of the office/workgroup? Is anybody today running a public iCal server, similar to an RSS server but for (public) scheduled/calendar events? Are there any iCal aggregator services? I know there were plans and attempts in this direction in Stockholm some years ago, such as announcing concerts and theatre plays, but the outgoing audience wasn't ready for this level of technology at that time. The main visionary was Greg FitzPatrick and the project's name was SKiCal, which still brings up Google hits. The old Skical.org website is only available through the Wayback Machine, http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://skical.org It took quite some time between the visionaries launched RDF/RSS (Microsoft, 1997) and the major newspapers started to provide RSS feeds (New York Times, 2002). And this development never happened (not in 2001 anyway) with iCal in the event organizing business in Stockholm. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From lars at aronsson.se Sat Aug 12 06:25:48 2006 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Sat Aug 12 06:25:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CMS/Wiki discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: James Fournie wrote: > Wikis are wonderful, but I found that people in positions of > authority were uncomfortable with the lack of security and This item is always brought up. I think it is quite natural. Wikis started out in a revolutionary branch of software engineering, that is: in a turbulent corner of a turbulent world. People who are no good at their work can be given less important tasks, but Ward Cunningham was dealing with brilliantly clever computer programmers who just hated one little part of their job, but an important one: writing technical documentation. Wiki turned out to be the right solution for him. His problem was not the manager's need for security and control, and wikis don't address that need. Later, wikis turned out to be useful for encyclopedias too. But the wiki used in Wikipedia is much altered from the one Ward used in his programming projects. But in any case, and this is often missed, wikis are tools for creating reference works. Every page has a title that is used as the address for that page. This is excellent if you're explaining what the KeyboardInput and ScreenOutput functions of your computer program does, and if you are writing encyclopedic entries for [[World War II]] or the [[Russian National Library]]. But for many smaller workgroups, wiki pages tend to get meaningless and confusing titles like [[TODO]] or [[Things to consider]] or [[Ideas from the meeting last week]]. Nobody knows what goes into which page and the only difference between the old intranet mess and the new wiki mess is that nobody has any excuse any longer for not updating and reorganizing the information. That doesn't mean the information gets updated or reorganized. It certainly doesn't get so by itself. It's only the excuse that has been removed. Nowadays people admit spending three hours a day just reading their e-mail (ten years ago this seemed like wasted time, and people would be ashamed to admit it, now the shame has gone away), but how much time can they spend just reorganizing information on their workgroup's wiki? I'm a great fan of wikis. I'm not saying that a CMS solves these problems automatically. But they are problems you have to consider whichever solution you use. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se From mgilman at dallaslibrary.org Sun Aug 13 15:18:01 2006 From: mgilman at dallaslibrary.org (Mark Gilman) Date: Sun Aug 13 15:17:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Message-ID: This would seem to be a kind of Holy Grail for those of us who are constantly moving about between computers, laptops, locations, etc. It's particularly problematic for those of us who work evenings and weekends, meaning no clean separation between work and personal schedules. I've played around with running Essential PIM on a USB drive, but it doesn't integrate cleanly with Outlook, which I tend to use at work. I've also looked at the Mozilla spin-off, SunBird, which, although still in beta, seems relatively stable. I've also played around with Google Calendar (limited support for repeating events). Ideally, one would like to have a web-based calendar that also synchs with various clients, including Outlook. Supposedly it is possible to get Outlook to interface with Google calendar, but the method suggested in the Google calendar help didn't work for me and I didn't have the time to trouble-shoot it. The documentation is kind of limited. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ http://portableapps.com/apps/office/sunbird_portable Sunbird looks promising. There are references to integration with so-called WebDav servers, using the same iCal standard for data exchange as Apple's calendar uses. I concur that speed is a vital factor, which is one reason I am drawn to clients, whether portable apps that live on USB drives or full-featured ones that can be installed on a laptop, etc. I guess I am strongly inclined toward web based solutions because I like to carry the bare minimum of stuff around with me. I'm paranoid, for example, about having my laptop stolen so I tend to cart it along only when I know I will be involved in a meeting where I need to take notes, etc. Never have liked Daytimers, because they're too bulky. I tried a PDA once upon a time but strongly disliked being encumbered by too many gadgets (cellphone and a PDA). The dim little screen and fiddly buttons also weren't so great. Maybe a newer device would work better, such as a TREO, if they drop in price. Regards, Mark essage: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:56:48 -0400 From: "Ross Singer" ross.singer@library.gatech.edu Subject: Re: [Web4lib] personal online calendar To: "Keith D. Engwall" kengwall@catawba.edu Cc: web4lib web4lib@webjunction.org Message-ID: <23b83f160608111656x2f8f679bt19928767eed85dd6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Keith, Have you tried Google Calendar? It's pretty slick. If you use GMail, it will find things that look events in your mail and give you an option to add them to your calendar. -Ross. On 8/11/06, Keith D. Engwall wrote: On a matter almost wholly unrelated to the staff calendar I had asked about before... I'm looking for a nice web-based calendar/PIM service (not locally hosted) that has the following on one page and that is fairly responsive to do list links calendar I've found several that do 1 or 2, and a few that do all three but not on the same page (30 boxes falls under this category). Also it would be nice if it were fairly responsive (a few I tried were sloooooowwww) Right now I've settled on HipCal... of the sites that do 2 out of 3, I like that one best. Thanks, > Keith > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From mgilman at dallaslibrary.org Sun Aug 13 15:36:06 2006 From: mgilman at dallaslibrary.org (Mark Gilman) Date: Sun Aug 13 15:35:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WEBDAV (fork from " personal online calendar") Message-ID: Further to what I just posted, I Googled "sunbird" and "webdav" and see that there are now some shared hosting services that support this combination: http://www.venuecom.com/Help/help_webDAV_sunbird.htm (Sunbird hosting) http://phpicalendar.net/documentation/index.php/Publishing_calendars#WebDAV (info on WebDav) It wonder what's entailed in setting up a WebDav server of one's own. I'm about to rent some VPS (Virtual Private Server) space at http://www.quantact.com so that I can set up a test implementation of KOHA www.koha.org the open source Integrated Library Management product from New Zealand. The VPS lets you choose your distro (in this case, Debian) and I'm wondering if it might not be feasible to also run a WebDav process (if that's the right term) for sharing SunBird calendars. Regards, Mark _____ From: Mark Gilman Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:18 PM To: 'Web4Lib (web4lib@webjunction.org)' Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar This would seem to be a kind of Holy Grail for those of us who are constantly moving about between computers, laptops, locations, etc. It's particularly problematic for those of us who work evenings and weekends, meaning no clean separation between work and personal schedules. I've played around with running Essential PIM on a USB drive, but it doesn't integrate cleanly with Outlook, which I tend to use at work. I've also looked at the Mozilla spin-off, SunBird, which, although still in beta, seems relatively stable. I've also played around with Google Calendar (limited support for repeating events). Ideally, one would like to have a web-based calendar that also synchs with various clients, including Outlook. Supposedly it is possible to get Outlook to interface with Google calendar, but the method suggested in the Google calendar help didn't work for me and I didn't have the time to trouble-shoot it. The documentation is kind of limited. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ http://portableapps.com/apps/office/sunbird_portable Sunbird looks promising. There are references to integration with so-called WebDav servers, using the same iCal standard for data exchange as Apple's calendar uses. I concur that speed is a vital factor, which is one reason I am drawn to clients, whether portable apps that live on USB drives or full-featured ones that can be installed on a laptop, etc. I guess I am strongly inclined toward web based solutions because I like to carry the bare minimum of stuff around with me. I'm paranoid, for example, about having my laptop stolen so I tend to cart it along only when I know I will be involved in a meeting where I need to take notes, etc. Never have liked Daytimers, because they're too bulky. I tried a PDA once upon a time but strongly disliked being encumbered by too many gadgets (cellphone and a PDA). The dim little screen and fiddly buttons also weren't so great. Maybe a newer device would work better, such as a TREO, if they drop in price. Regards, Mark essage: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:56:48 -0400 From: "Ross Singer" ross.singer@library.gatech.edu Subject: Re: [Web4lib] personal online calendar To: "Keith D. Engwall" kengwall@catawba.edu Cc: web4lib web4lib@webjunction.org Message-ID: <23b83f160608111656x2f8f679bt19928767eed85dd6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Keith, Have you tried Google Calendar? It's pretty slick. If you use GMail, it will find things that look events in your mail and give you an option to add them to your calendar. -Ross. On 8/11/06, Keith D. Engwall wrote: On a matter almost wholly unrelated to the staff calendar I had asked about before... I'm looking for a nice web-based calendar/PIM service (not locally hosted) that has the following on one page and that is fairly responsive to do list links calendar I've found several that do 1 or 2, and a few that do all three but not on the same page (30 boxes falls under this category). Also it would be nice if it were fairly responsive (a few I tried were sloooooowwww) Right now I've settled on HipCal... of the sites that do 2 out of 3, I like that one best. Thanks, > Keith > > --------------------------------- > Keith Engwall > Head of Library Systems and Technology Catawba College Salisbury, NC > kengwall@catawba.edu > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From ryaneby at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 16:08:29 2006 From: ryaneby at gmail.com (Ryan Eby) Date: Sun Aug 13 16:08:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WEBDAV (fork from " personal online calendar") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You probably already saw it, but just in case, Apple open-sourced their calendar server which looks to support both iCal and Sunbird among others. This would be something you would need to host but is another option. It's written in python I believe. http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration I personally use Backpack by 37signals, which includes a calendar on paying plans, but it is web-based. It's not all on one page but works fairly well for my needs. http://backpackit.com/ Ryan Eby On 8/13/06, Mark Gilman wrote: > Further to what I just posted, I Googled "sunbird" and "webdav" and see that > there are now some shared hosting services that support this combination: > > http://www.venuecom.com/Help/help_webDAV_sunbird.htm > (Sunbird hosting) > http://phpicalendar.net/documentation/index.php/Publishing_calendars#WebDAV > > (info on WebDav) > > ozilla_Sunbird> > It wonder what's entailed in setting up a WebDav server of one's own. I'm > about to rent some VPS (Virtual Private Server) space at > http://www.quantact.com so that I can set up a > test implementation of KOHA www.koha.org the open > source Integrated Library Management product from New Zealand. The VPS lets > you choose your distro (in this case, Debian) and I'm wondering if it might > not be feasible to also run a WebDav process (if that's the right term) for > sharing SunBird calendars. > > Regards, > Mark > From kraemer at email.uky.edu Mon Aug 14 09:38:23 2006 From: kraemer at email.uky.edu (Kraemer, Beth) Date: Mon Aug 14 09:38:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] FW: Online HTML training? Message-ID: <5CA2C15A1F22834B940ECDF78C2F0C6501A49000@e2kb31.ad.uky.edu> Hi - Can anyone recommend a good introductory HTML tutorial? Thanks! -Beth -----Original Message----- Subject: Online HTML training? Hi webadmin, A colleague outside of UK asked if I knew of any good web-based HTML training. Since campus has the Executrain suite, I've never looked beyond that. She has very basic knowledge of HTML and would like to expand her skills (I also suggested she look into CSS.) Any suggestions? From tzimoski at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 10:26:32 2006 From: tzimoski at gmail.com (Thomas Zimoski) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:26:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item Message-ID: <6098f65d0608140726g5e243e5yf6208006e2268405@mail.gmail.com> At least for the library system to which my local public library belongs, the "libraries owning this item" information in WorldCat is quite incomplete. Whether our situation is unusual and whether the WorldCat administrators have provided a feasible mechanism for correcting this situation I do not know. But it bothers me that there is no indication on the WorldCat site that their holdings information may be incomplete and that it might be productive to search your local library's catalog directly. I'm interested in the impressions of others as to how completely your library's collection is represented in WorldCat. Tom A recent mention of WorldCat outside the library world: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009325.php From weblibrarian at sent.com Mon Aug 14 10:27:18 2006 From: weblibrarian at sent.com (Heather Ebey) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:27:28 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] FW: Online HTML training? In-Reply-To: <5CA2C15A1F22834B940ECDF78C2F0C6501A49000@e2kb31.ad.uky.edu> References: <5CA2C15A1F22834B940ECDF78C2F0C6501A49000@e2kb31.ad.uky.edu> Message-ID: Hello Beth, I have taken a number of classes through eClasses.org and find the teachers very helpful and the classes worth every penny: http:// eclasses.org/ Chimene Long, who teaches an excellent intermediate CSS class for cClasses, also teachers XHTML. I recommend that your colleague take XHTML rather than HTML. The XHTML class starts 9/18/2006 and is $180, but if one joins IWA for a year at $49.00, classes are reduced by $100 each. Since this organization has teachers teaching from from Italy and the UK, and students are from all over the world, I assume they accommodate other currency. --Heather Heather H. Ebey, MLIS Web Technologist School of Library and Information Science San Jose State University http://slisweb.sjsu.edu/ On Aug 14, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Kraemer, Beth wrote: > Hi - Can anyone recommend a good introductory HTML tutorial? Thanks! > -Beth > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Online HTML training? > > Hi webadmin, > > A colleague outside of UK asked if I knew of any good web-based HTML > training. Since campus has the Executrain suite, I've never looked > beyond that. She has very basic knowledge of HTML and would like to > expand her skills (I also suggested she look into CSS.) Any > suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From DKANE at wit.ie Mon Aug 14 10:29:27 2006 From: DKANE at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:29:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item In-Reply-To: <6098f65d0608140726g5e243e5yf6208006e2268405@mail.gmail.com> References: <6098f65d0608140726g5e243e5yf6208006e2268405@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E096D7.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> Does it not have to be comprehensive, since you allow WorldCat to download all your Bib records, and keep them updated with new additions thereafter? David Kane WIT Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ ++353.51302838 >>> I'm interested in the impressions of others as to how completely your library's collection is represented in WorldCat. Tom A recent mention of WorldCat outside the library world: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009325.php _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mmizejewski at redwoodcity.org Mon Aug 14 12:33:59 2006 From: mmizejewski at redwoodcity.org (LIB-Michele Mizejewski) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:35:55 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] FW: Online HTML training? Message-ID: <55A0FC46D478D74DBE00917DBA19EFBA33339B@RWCEXCH.redwoodcity.org> You should consider the free tutorials for XHTML and CSS at this site: http://www.w3schools.com/ They also have tutorials and reference materials for a number of other topics. Michele Mizejewski Electronic Services Specialist Redwood City Public Library Redwood City, CA 94063 mmizejewski@redwoodcity.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kraemer, Beth Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:38 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] FW: Online HTML training? Hi - Can anyone recommend a good introductory HTML tutorial? Thanks! -Beth -----Original Message----- Subject: Online HTML training? Hi webadmin, A colleague outside of UK asked if I knew of any good web-based HTML training. Since campus has the Executrain suite, I've never looked beyond that. She has very basic knowledge of HTML and would like to expand her skills (I also suggested she look into CSS.) Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From mwiller at linc.lib.il.us Mon Aug 14 12:51:06 2006 From: mwiller at linc.lib.il.us (Melissa Willer) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:51:16 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: WorldCat - libraries owning an item In-Reply-To: <20060814160007.802F4189AE8@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: <002501c6bfc1$d6206b40$6101a8c0@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> Tom, I know we had quite a surprise when we started searching in the Worldcat box - many, if not most of our new materials did not show up. It turns out that how your holdings show up, or do not, is largely dependent on how and when you upload your holdings to OCLC. We have been batchloading our uploads quarterly, which I knew, but I did not know that we were also not uploading any items that had been added less than 6 months before to help cut down on how many unfillable requests we received. (Unfortunately, it seems a lot of libraries do not vet their ILL requests against lending library policies and frequently request items that are not allowed, i.e. reference materials, or AV from out of state libraries.) Items that we do not add holdings to in OCLC (via uploading or during the cataloging process) do not show in Worldcat. We are in a consortium environment, so I spoke to our office and changed our settings, so we will be uploading all holdings on a monthly basis and not restricting what materials upload. SO in a week or so all of our holdings added before August 1 should show up in Worldcat. We'll see how that affects our ILL requests. The other thing they told me is that OCLC allows you to set up "Auto Deflection" for certain material formats. So, if your library does not ILL visual materials, all bib records with the format "visual" will not show in firstsearch. Our office feels that this will also affect what shows up in the public version of Worldcat but I cannot confirm this as we do not restrict items in this way. On some level I agree with you; it would be nice if there was a disclaimer, or some direct referral back to your home library. But, I personally see this as the libraries' Amazon service - and you don't see a disclaimer anywhere on Amazon that all of vendor's items might not appear when you search their catalog. If you are concerned I would certainly check how you are getting your data to OCLC, and whether your policies are inadvertently creating problems down the line. Melissa Willer Circulation and Technical Services Department Head Bloomingdale Public Library Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:26:32 -0700 From: "Thomas Zimoski" Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item To: web4lib@webjunction.org Message-ID: <6098f65d0608140726g5e243e5yf6208006e2268405@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed At least for the library system to which my local public library belongs, the "libraries owning this item" information in WorldCat is quite incomplete. Whether our situation is unusual and whether the WorldCat administrators have provided a feasible mechanism for correcting this situation I do not know. But it bothers me that there is no indication on the WorldCat site that their holdings information may be incomplete and that it might be productive to search your local library's catalog directly. I'm interested in the impressions of others as to how completely your library's collection is represented in WorldCat. Tom From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 14 12:53:01 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:53:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060814165310.9F5032116@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> That central calendar also a Holy Grail for organizations too small or too distributed to have internal event calendars. At Librarians' Internet Index, to support what we do (which includes a commitment to providing high-quality websites related to what's happening in the world), we've spent years trying to figure out how to have an online calendar that would give us web-based group access for one-time and recurring events, holidays, occasions, seasons, etc.--a resource ideally both prepopulated with a lot of information but easily edited and added-to. We're looking at Google Calendar, and we may well try it out for a while. But if there was ever a case for a wiki calendar-type tool that could be publicly accessed and collaboratively maintained, this would be it. There would still be the quality control/access control issues to work through... and various models to follow. But I think a much broader group beyond LII benefits from knowing that the first half of September includes Lafayette's birthday, James Fenimore Cooper's birthday, and Chrysanthemum Day, as well as Labor Day and September 11... Seems to me that just as a collection development/program planning tool, this kind of public calendar would be a natural for LibraryLand. Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org http://lii.org From mwiller at linc.lib.il.us Mon Aug 14 12:55:45 2006 From: mwiller at linc.lib.il.us (Melissa Willer) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:56:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] re: WorldCat - libraries owning an item Message-ID: <002601c6bfc2$7c54ca10$6101a8c0@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> Tom, I know we had quite a surprise when we started searching in the Worldcat box - many, if not most of our new materials did not show up. It turns out that how your holdings show up, or do not, is largely dependent on how and when you upload your holdings to OCLC. We have been batchloading our uploads quarterly, which I knew, but I did not know that we were also not uploading any items that had been added less than 6 months before to help cut down on how many unfillable requests we received. (Unfortunately, it seems a lot of libraries do not vet their ILL requests against lending library policies and frequently request items that are not allowed, i.e. reference materials, or AV from out of state libraries.) Items that we do not add holdings to in OCLC (via uploading or during the cataloging process) do not show in Worldcat. We are in a consortium environment, so I spoke to our office and changed our settings, so we will be uploading all holdings on a monthly basis and not restricting what materials upload. SO in a week or so all of our holdings added before August 1 should show up in Worldcat. We'll see how that affects our ILL requests. The other thing they told me is that OCLC allows you to set up "Auto Deflection" for certain material formats. So, if your library does not ILL visual materials, all bib records with the format "visual" will not show in firstsearch. Our office feels that this will also affect what shows up in the public version of Worldcat but I cannot confirm this as we do not restrict items in this way. If you are concerned I would certainly check how you are getting your data to OCLC, and whether your policies are inadvertently creating problems down the line. If you don't see a policy reason why this might be happening, you may need to check with OCLC and see if something on their end is not right. Melissa Willer Circulation and Technical Services Department Head Bloomingdale Public Library Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:26:32 -0700 From: "Thomas Zimoski" Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item To: web4lib@webjunction.org Message-ID: <6098f65d0608140726g5e243e5yf6208006e2268405@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed At least for the library system to which my local public library belongs, the "libraries owning this item" information in WorldCat is quite incomplete. Whether our situation is unusual and whether the WorldCat administrators have provided a feasible mechanism for correcting this situation I do not know. But it bothers me that there is no indication on the WorldCat site that their holdings information may be incomplete and that it might be productive to search your local library's catalog directly. I'm interested in the impressions of others as to how completely your library's collection is represented in WorldCat. Tom From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 14 13:20:09 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Aug 14 13:20:22 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] re: WorldCat - libraries owning an item In-Reply-To: <002601c6bfc2$7c54ca10$6101a8c0@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <20060814172018.97CF84257@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> We are in a consortium environment, so I spoke to our office and changed our settings, so we will be uploading all holdings on a monthly basis and not restricting what materials upload. SO in a week or so all of our holdings added before August 1 should show up in Worldcat. We'll see how that affects our ILL requests. -- Interesting. One of the features people talk about a lot for catalogs and the like is "only show available items." Seems to me that if Worldcat is operating as an uber-catalog, this would be a valuable feature-in other words, don't put the pressure on local libraries to decide whether to upload/not upload, but allow rules that affect Worldcat's display. Perhaps this is on the docket. Speaking of search logs (ok, we weren't, but I'm soaked in them right now), because non-librarian users often think Librarians' Internet Index is a book catalog (due to its somewhat misleading name), we get a lot of title/author requests. That Worldcat box is going to be a fabuwonderful addition to our new help/no-results pages. I would love to have a low-results page, as well. For that matter, load common authors and titles and push the requests directly to WorldCat, and/or reprocess requests via WC! Oh, I'm full of ideas. Next year in Jerusalem. (If I step back and think about it, it still seems odd, and even perturbing, that our professional catalog model is to have a bazillion nearly-identical records-from the user's point of view, anyway-distributed across all these unique databases. But that's too taxing a thought for Monday morning.) Back to testing. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From tim at librarything.com Mon Aug 14 13:41:36 2006 From: tim at librarything.com (Tim Spalding) Date: Mon Aug 14 13:41:40 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] re: WorldCat - libraries owning an item In-Reply-To: <002601c6bfc2$7c54ca10$6101a8c0@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> References: <002601c6bfc2$7c54ca10$6101a8c0@bloomingdale.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <63d3c8ce0608141041x644293eo81ac88ba5c74b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know whether there are plans for an API into WorldCat? I know LibraryThing users would love to see at a glance what local libraries have their book?much as LibraryThing tells you what users do. Needless to say, I'd link to both their WorldCat page and the split-frame WorldCat/library page. If they don't plan on an API, would they mind a screen-scrape? Tim From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Mon Aug 14 14:19:03 2006 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Mon Aug 14 14:19:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we > can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but > not both. What are you currently using to make thumbnails? I know newer versions of photoshop can apply transformations to a group of images. Otherwise I've used Imagemagick on multiple occasions in the past to generate thumbnails. As for the rest, not sure what to tell you. I've seen various flickr-like server packages out there, but can't remember any off-hand. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 From margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us Mon Aug 14 14:38:01 2006 From: margaret.e.hazel at ci.eugene.or.us (HAZEL Margaret E) Date: Mon Aug 14 14:38:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried IrfanView? They added some functionality around thumbnails in their last release, but I haven't tried it. Irfanview.com -Margaret Margaret E. Hazel Principal Librarian, Technology Eugene Public Library Eugene, OR 541-682-6015 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gorman Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:19 AM Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web > One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, > we can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images > but not both. What are you currently using to make thumbnails? I know newer versions of photoshop can apply transformations to a group of images. Otherwise I've used Imagemagick on multiple occasions in the past to generate thumbnails. As for the rest, not sure what to tell you. I've seen various flickr-like server packages out there, but can't remember any off-hand. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 14 14:47:05 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Aug 14 14:47:17 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar In-Reply-To: <20060814165310.9F5032116@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20060814184714.6CBE642EE@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> A "p.s." on Google Calendar is that it can be publicly viewable if you want it to (duh, I should have looked harder the first time-that's almost a no-brainer) and has three access levels: admin/edit, edit, and view. I haven't found a feature like "invite me to your calendar," but as soon as I say that, I have a feeling I will :-) Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Mon Aug 14 15:15:14 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Mon Aug 14 15:15:18 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Message-ID: Clicking on the arrow next to the calendar, and then the "Share this calendar" link will give you the option to share the calendar with everyone, or just with specific people. Is that what you were looking for? -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: August 14, 2006 2:47 PM To: 'Web4Lib' Subject: RE: [Web4lib] personal online calendar A "p.s." on Google Calendar is that it can be publicly viewable if you want it to (duh, I should have looked harder the first time-that's almost a no-brainer) and has three access levels: admin/edit, edit, and view. I haven't found a feature like "invite me to your calendar," but as soon as I say that, I have a feeling I will :-) Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 14 15:28:24 2006 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Mon Aug 14 15:28:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E0CED8.1000308@ohiolink.edu> On 8/14/2006 2:19 PM, Jonathan Gorman wrote: > One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we > can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but > not both. Are you sure you want to do that? If the images don't all have the same aspect ratios, shoehorning the thumbnails into a standard height *and* width will require you either to distort or crop the images. IMO, you really don't want to distort them, and I don't think I'd trust software to crop out a certain size rectangle and hope it was a sensible choice for a thumbnail. I'd set a standard height and let the width vary. That said, you could set up a Photoshop macro that set the image size to a specified height and then cropped the canvas size to a specified width (or vice versa). With a little tinkering I'm sure you could script this with the ImageMagick command-line tools also, if you have them. If you wanted a 100px-high thumbnail cropped to the middle 80px of the image, width-wise, I think you can get that with: convert -resize 100x100 -gravity Center \ -crop 80x100+0+0 foo.jpg bar.png -- Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 14 15:36:11 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Mon Aug 14 15:36:23 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060814193620.DD78D42F4@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hankinson, Andrew Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:15 PM To: Web4Lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Clicking on the arrow next to the calendar, and then the "Share this calendar" link will give you the option to share the calendar with everyone, or just with specific people. Is that what you were looking for? ---- No, just the opposite: I am Jane Librarian, I see the calendar, I want to participate in adding events... I request to be added. Am I missing that feature? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From aabramson at ci.berkeley.ca.us Mon Aug 14 15:43:40 2006 From: aabramson at ci.berkeley.ca.us (Abramson, Alicia) Date: Mon Aug 14 15:43:43 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Message-ID: <969E748884FEBB44AC072A8BA8CB743277F0D1@COBEXVS1.berkeley.root> I think the only way to do that right now is to email the calendar owner directly and request that they share it with you specifically. Alicia Alicia Abramson Library Network Administrator Berkeley Public Library aabramson@ci.berkeley.ca.us 510-981-6131 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:36 PM To: 'Web4Lib' Subject: RE: [Web4lib] personal online calendar -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Hankinson, Andrew Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:15 PM To: Web4Lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] personal online calendar Clicking on the arrow next to the calendar, and then the "Share this calendar" link will give you the option to share the calendar with everyone, or just with specific people. Is that what you were looking for? ---- No, just the opposite: I am Jane Librarian, I see the calendar, I want to participate in adding events... I request to be added. Am I missing that feature? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From TEdelblute at anaheim.net Mon Aug 14 15:52:05 2006 From: TEdelblute at anaheim.net (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Mon Aug 14 15:52:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item Message-ID: But not all of us do. Anaheim does its cataloging through Brodart not OCLC. Thomas Edelblute, Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of David Kane Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:29 AM To: Thomas Zimoski; web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item Does it not have to be comprehensive, since you allow WorldCat to download all your Bib records, and keep them updated with new additions thereafter? David Kane WIT Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ ++353.51302838 >>> I'm interested in the impressions of others as to how completely your library's collection is represented in WorldCat. Tom A recent mention of WorldCat outside the library world: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009325.php _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. 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From jtgorman at uiuc.edu Mon Aug 14 16:00:34 2006 From: jtgorman at uiuc.edu (Jonathan Gorman) Date: Mon Aug 14 16:00:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] seeking software for putting photographs on the web In-Reply-To: <44E0CED8.1000308@ohiolink.edu> References: <44E0CED8.1000308@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Thomas Dowling wrote: > On 8/14/2006 2:19 PM, Jonathan Gorman wrote: > >> One difficulty, we are encountering is that when creating thumbnails, we >> can standardize the width of the images or the height of the images but >> not both. Just to clarify, the comment seemly attributed to me Thomas was part of the original post by John Fitzgibbon. I assume Thomas hit reply to my reply to John which lead to the misleading "Jonathan Gorman wrote", when I was in fact quoting John Fitzgibbon. Jonathan T. Gorman Research Information Specialist University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana 216 Main Library - MC522 1408 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 244-4688 From donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca Mon Aug 14 16:53:41 2006 From: donna.dinberg at lac-bac.gc.ca (donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca) Date: Mon Aug 14 16:53:45 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Reminder: ACCESS 2006 conference Message-ID: <920DE368B74EEF4C98BA9D3FDE6598C307E5E7FE@exchange8b> ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** REMINDER! ACCESS 2006 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada The ACCESS 2006 conference *** Capitalizing on ACCESS *** will take place October 11 through October 14 in Canada's Capital ... Ottawa, Ontario. Register soon, as attendance is limited and the conference is filling up fast! ACCESS, now in its 14th year, is a premier library technology conference that attracts an eclectic group of technically savvy people working in the information and library communities who get together to share fresh challenges, projects, advances and solutions. The limited attendance and single-stream format of the ACCESS conference gives attendees a unique focus on the issues and solutions of the day. This year's program continues with both seasoned ACCESS attendees and new faces from near and far, presenting a program chock-full of demos, technologies, methodologies ... and some fun! Hackfest, the annual day-long pre-conference coding adventure, is now fully subscribed and a waiting list has been established. Details of the ACCESS 2006 conference program, Hackfest, accommodation, travel, and Ottawa tourism may be found on the conference website: http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/ Join us in Canada's Capital to explore new methods, new code, new challenges, and new directions. Capitalize on ACCESS 2006! Donna Dinberg, on behalf of The ACCESS 2006 Conference Committee [Please feel free to copy this message to your colleagues.] From slknight at eiu.edu Mon Aug 14 19:43:33 2006 From: slknight at eiu.edu (Knight-Davis, Stacey L.) Date: Mon Aug 14 19:41:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Netscape 7 problem Message-ID: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F077E0921@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> Hello Web4Libbers, We are very near the launch date for our new CSS based home page, and two library staffers have noticed that Netscape 7.0 and 7.1 will not display the content of the page. The footer looks fine and is in the right spot, but all the other parts of the page are missing. Interestingly, another staff member reports that Netscape 7.2 is displaying the page correctly. I'm fresh out of ideas for fixing this and was hoping someone could provide some insight. The HTML validates, and the CSS validates with the exception of the IE shadow filter. I've tried taking out the scripts and the ASP, and Netscape 7.0 still won't display it. My last idea was to just put in a script to detect Netscape 7.0 and 7.1 and redirect them to another page, but my JavaScript skills have failed to create something that will detect the minor 7.0 and 7.1 versions. I can get all versions of 7, but that doesn't seem very fair to 7.2 users. Any advice, comments, or suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Here is the page: http://www.library.eiu.edu/welcomenew.asp We are running a script to switch the style sheets based on window size. The style sheets are all the same with the exception of the body font-size. Here is the one at 80%: http://www.library.eiu.edu/css/top/1024.css We were trying to stay close to our current design while incorporating the database-driven news feature. Here is the current page, to see where we are coming from: http://www.library.eiu.edu/welcome.html Stacey Knight-Davis Booth Library Eastern Illinois University slknight@eiu.edu 600 Lincoln Ave. Charleston, IL 61920-3099 217-581-7549 From richard at katipo.co.nz Mon Aug 14 20:02:52 2006 From: richard at katipo.co.nz (Richard Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 14 20:03:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Netscape 7 problem In-Reply-To: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F077E0921@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> References: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F077E0921@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> Message-ID: <44E10F2C.3010707@katipo.co.nz> Hi Stacey, > The HTML validates, and the CSS validates with > the exception of the IE shadow filter. According to http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ the CSS doesn't validate in a few more areas than the IE thing. Perhaps this might be a start Cheers, Richard From richard.wiggins at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 20:12:32 2006 From: richard.wiggins at gmail.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Mon Aug 14 20:12:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Library associations, and librarians, on search log retention? Message-ID: AOL's publication of search log information that can be mined to identify individuals' searches has raised serious privacy concerns. Here's a piece I wrote on it: http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb060814-1.shtml The news, and the NY Times report on one person who was identified by her searches alone, upset at least one librarian. Carol E. St. Amand of Belchertown, Mass wrote The Times: "As a librarian, I was horrified at the implications of Internet providers compiling and using the search strings of users." My first exposure to the benefits of search log analysis was when librarian Nancy John schooled computer folks at the first Gophercon, which I helped organize back in 1992. I'm absolutely convinced of the benefits to users of judicious use of aggregated search log analysis. But AOL has shown the risks to privacy. I'm wondering what positions the library community has taken on the subject. -- For years libraries have had rules that minimize retention of circulation records. Is it a standard practice to limit retention of records of database searches? Does your library do any analysis of search logs? Do you have a policy on retention of search log records? -- If your library has databases hosted by external vendors, how long do they retain records of database searches? Does your vendor provide your library with search reports? Who in your library can see these reports? How is privacy protected? -- Have ALA, SLA, or orther associations taken a stand on retention of logs of database searches? Have they pressured the industry -- not just AOL and Google, but the traditional commercial database industry, on this point? Have they lobbied for legislation limiting retention of search logs, or at least requiring disclosure of retention policies? Please send comments to me personally if you wish, and I will summarize for the list. (Obviously, this is something I'll be writing about more.) Thanks, /rich From DKANE at wit.ie Tue Aug 15 05:24:16 2006 From: DKANE at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Tue Aug 15 05:24:35 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Netscape 7 problem In-Reply-To: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F077E0921@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> References: <989D3412D82B7D4FAE68199A90B48C5F077E0921@exchange2k3.eiuad.eiu.edu> Message-ID: <44E1A0D0.092E.0078.0@wit.ie> Stacey, your problem is here: If you look at the CSS, you will see this rule, which is high up on the CSS file - #middlewrapper { MARGIN-TOP: 1em; OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 60em; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; HEIGHT: auto; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e6deca } Remove the 'OVERFLOW: hidden;' and you will remove your problem. I don't know whether this will create more problems. You will have to test for this. It seems to still work on other browsers that I have (IE7, Firefox). Your image file (snorth.jpg) seems to be squashed. I know this is for the highest resolution screen, but why don't you make it a background image for the div that encloses it. That way, you get the CSS to choose the right image for the file.
so you add this to the CSS, (substitute with appropriate width value): #bigimage{ background-image: url(/images/rotatebig/snorth1024px.jpg); width: 400px; } Regards, David Kane WIT Libraries http://library.wit.ie/ ++353.51302838 From emorgan at nd.edu Tue Aug 15 08:26:24 2006 From: emorgan at nd.edu (Eric Lease Morgan) Date: Tue Aug 15 08:26:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] combining dspace, etd-db, and digitool Message-ID: If you plan on attending ECDL 2006 (or even if you haven't made up your mind yet), consider signing up the half-day tutorial called "Creating a more full-featured institutional repository: Combining DSpace, ETD-db, and DigiTool". For more information, see the URL and details, below: http://www.ecdl2006.org/tutorial6.jsp BTW, ECDL is a great conference. It a wonderful place to catch-up on and learn more about the most recent advancements in the development of digital libraries. 'Well worth the time. * Title - Creating a more full-featured institutional repository: Combining DSpace, ETD-db, and DigiTool. * Abstract - DSpace, ETD-db, and DigiTool are all well-respected systems designed to facilitate aspects of an institutional repository. Each have their own particular strengths and weaknesses, but none of them are perfect. By exploiting the OAI data repository features of each system the developer is able to amalgamate their content, automatically classify it, cache it centrally, and provide sets of enhanced services against the cache. Building on the strengths of each system developers are able to provide a more full- featured institutional repository system. The primary goal of this tutorial is to outline the benefits and drawbacks of such an implementation, demonstrate how it has been implemented at the University of Notre Dame, and discuss how it can be implemented with other software components. By the end of the tutorial participants will be able to: highlight the problems IR systems are expected to solve, be able to compare and contrast three IR systems, address meta- data issues regarding the organization of information in IR systems, state the advantages of amalgamating IR content into a centralized cache, discuss ways these same ideas can be implemented with a variety of software. * Duration - Half day * Experience level - Intermediate * Outline - The problems institutional repositories are trying to solve - What is an institutional repository, and what problems is it intended to solve? What qualities characterize successful institutional repository implementations? The group answers to these questions become the benchmarks for evaluating the success of repositories. Functional overview of DSpace, ETD-db, and DigiTool - Each of these applications have strengths and weaknesses. This section will enumerate them and in the process compare and contrast the applications. Developing an over-arching information architecture - In order to create a synergistic whole from the three repository applications it is necessary to apply aspects of information architecture to the systems - aspects of users, context, and content. This section will focus on the content issues and elaborate upon methods of logically organizing it using a faceted classification system. Using OAI to harvest content and cache it centrally - At first, this seems like the easy part. Point your harvester at the repository and save the output locally. After a bit of examination, issues regarding homogeneity and variations in OAI compliance come into play and adjustments need to be made. This section describes some ways to address these issues. Creating user-centered services against the cache - This is the fun part. Here we provide services against the cache. Searching (via SRU). Browsing. What's new? services. Syndicating content to campus portals. Syndicating content via RSS. Creating dynamically generated Web pages listing author publications. Calculating Google page rank. Each of these things will be described in more detail. Discussion of other ways the same things could be implemented - The implementation of Notre Dame uses specific tools to accomplish its goal. By exploiting protocols, not specific applications, these tools could easily be changed out for other tools. This section discusses these issues and provides an opportunity for participants to brainstorm other ways these techniques could be employed in their institution. * Biographical sketch - Eric Lease Morgan is the Head of the Digital Access and Information Architecture Department at the University Libraries of Notre Dame. He considers himself to be a librarian first and a computer user second. His professional goal is to discover new ways to use computers to provide better library service. Some of his more well-known investigations and implementations include MyLibrary and the Alex Catalogue of Electronic Texts. An advocate for open source software and open access publishing, Morgan has been freely distributing his software and publications for years before the terms "open source" and "open access" were coined. Morgan also hosts his own Internet domain, infomotions.com. -- Eric Lease Morgan University Libraries of Notre Dame From ppival at ucalgary.ca Tue Aug 15 12:19:29 2006 From: ppival at ucalgary.ca (Paul R. Pival) Date: Tue Aug 15 12:19:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] rssify del.icio.us, citeseer google scholar... In-Reply-To: <668dcc760608110352l35d24231i54ad2b3c584c47b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <668dcc760608110352l35d24231i54ad2b3c584c47b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E1F411.30801@ucalgary.ca> Jorge, I think I've got the trick using a service called Feed43 (http://feed43.com). I wrote up my procedure with screen shots at http://distlib.blogs.com/distlib/2006/08/using_feed43_to.html Here's the feed for your search - try it, and if it works for you, go on to the post above for instructions on how to apply to any search within del.icio.us :-) http://feed43.com/del-infoseek.xml Paul R. Pival Distance Education Librarian 213E MLT University of Calgary Calgary, Alberta T2N 1N4 *Phone: Toll Free: Fax: IM: Website:* (403) 220-2119 1 (866) 210-9637 (403) 282-6837 MSN, AIM, Yahoo! Library Connection Jorge Serrano Cobos wrote: > Excuse me, dear friends: > > Does anyone know how to rrsify a search into del.icio.us or other rss > directory or search engine, like this one?: > > http://del.icio.us/search/?fr=del_icio_us&p=information+seeking&type=all > > I know I can rssify a tag results page, like: > http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/webanalytics > > but I see nothing for a specific search, as far as I know, like google > alerts, for instance. > > Any other great rss directory or service or tool could permit that? Is > there such a service, hack or tool applied to something like cite seer, > google scholar, etc, in order to be updated about a more specific keyword > articles, theses, etc...? > > Thanks in advance for your answers, > From Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu Tue Aug 15 13:53:10 2006 From: Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu (Elena OMalley) Date: Tue Aug 15 13:53:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D0D1BA7BA@mail.emerson.edu> David Kane wrote: Does it not have to be comprehensive, since you allow WorldCat to download all your Bib records, and keep them updated with new additions thereafter? Thomas Edelblute responded: But not all of us do. Anaheim does its cataloging through Brodart not OCLC. I respond: Also, if the library doesn't have a FirstSearch subscription, its holdings won't show up in worldcat.org either. http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/web/faq/default.htm Melissa Willer wrote: On some level I agree with you; it would be nice if there was a disclaimer, or some direct referral back to your home library. But, I personally see this as the libraries' Amazon service - and you don't see a disclaimer anywhere on Amazon that all of vendor's items might not appear when you search their catalog. I respond: It seems to have a direct referral, at least when I look at it. When I pulled up an item onscreen, over on the far right there's a link for "Search the catalog at your library," whether or not the system indicates the library has the item. I think there's only so much any interface can do to warn people that their expectations might not match the realities of the situation. For general use, I think it's pretty close to "good enough" for the casual searcher. Elena __ Elena O'Malley, Head of Library Computer and Internet Services Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 From mgilman at dallaslibrary.org Tue Aug 15 21:50:35 2006 From: mgilman at dallaslibrary.org (Mark Gilman) Date: Tue Aug 15 21:50:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input Message-ID: Hi, The answer to this is likely obvious, but not to me. What is the easiest way to collect data via a web-based form in such a manner that it can be imported into a lightweight database such as Access? I realize that one can use a simple HTML form and then use post or a similar method to email the data, but what I'm looking for is a more elegant way to collect structured data (i.e. several thousand summer reading program registrations) in a manner that obviates the need to rekey it into a database. Preferably this would be a technology that does not rely on a lot of fancy server support. I've sort of had one eye on the XForms development, but since no browsers supports XForms out of the box, that doesn't yet seem the right path to explore. The basic HTML forms I've used in the past are pretty limited. Should I be exploring multipart/form-data? What I want to be able to do, I suppose, is to be able to aggregate a bunch of strings that are readable by Access as records. They wouldn't have to be very sophisticated. They are essentially just flat files. I guess we would like to filter or otherwise validate certain of the fields. Regards, Mark From dkane at wit.ie Wed Aug 16 03:08:32 2006 From: dkane at wit.ie (David Kane) Date: Wed Aug 16 03:09:07 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input Message-ID: <44E2D2800200007800012D77@gwstaff.wit.ie> Mark, I think that the best solution would be to use a server side scripting language. This could be a number of things. The commonest is PHP, followed by things linke ASP, PERL and JSP. Which of these does your server support? The GET/POST method is less important, though POST is the common one. Don't even worry about the MIME type, (multipart...), unless you are uploading files. You seem to just be uploading text. Your best option is to write the thing to a comma or tab-separated file and then to export this to Excel. Once there, you can manipulate the data. It is possible then, I think to export to Access, without too much problem. David Kane, http://library.wit.ie/ --------------------------------------------- Make Poverty History! http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/ From pwillett at umich.edu Wed Aug 16 08:56:47 2006 From: pwillett at umich.edu (Perry Willett) Date: Wed Aug 16 08:56:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Web Content Manager at the University of Michigan libraries Message-ID: <000d01c6c133$6f641280$922bd38d@CLUBSODA> Please note that this is a different position than the Web Systems Manager posted a few days ago. Web Content Manager University Library, University of Michigan The University Library invites applications and nominations for the position of Web Content Manager. Under the supervision of the Curriculum Integration Librarian, the Web Content Manager leads, in partnership with the Web Systems Manager, the production of the University Library's web environment, the gateway to resources, services, collections, news and staff of the University Library. The University Library web environment facilitates nineteen campus library web sites and creates an integrated, coherent, Library-wide web environment responsive to the needs of our users. The Web Content Manager will take a leadership role in the development of a continually evolving web presence including content development, design, and evaluation as part of cooperative efforts with the Web Systems Manager, relevant Library committees, and staff throughout a large, dispersed library system. A complete description is available at: Review of applications will begin on 9/30/06 and continue until the position is filled. The University of Michigan is a non-discriminatory, affirmative action employer. Contact Library Human Resources at (734) 764-2546 or by email at libhumres@umich.edu for further details. Perry Willett Head, Digital Library Production Service 300 Hatcher North University of Michigan Ann Arbor MI 48109-1205 Ph: 734-764-8074 Fax: 734-647-6897 Email: pwillett@umich.edu From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Aug 16 08:59:32 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:32:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608160859.32128.bennetttm@appstate.edu> It might help if you could describe what you are working with already such as web server, platform and any scripting already supported. On the other hand, you can use Zope (http://zope.org) as a receiver of the "action" of your form. On Zope add an odbc database adapter defined to connect to the odbc source described below and then create a page (dtml method and is the action of your form) that will call a ZSQL method ( a page where you define a simple sql insert statement and list the parameters passed from the form). The rest of the dtml method will be the page the user sees after submitting the form. Zope is OSS and runs on linux, ms windows, mac, and others. Here is a brief synopsis missing css,headers, etc..: 
 In case you are using an html email client I hope this works.

form:


  name: 
  phone 






my_form_result_page:


Thank you   for submitting the form


We will call you at  soon.


Zsql method named add2db
db adapter: dba2access
params: name phone
sql: insert into my_table values('','');

database adapter connection parameters:
username=myusername, password=mypassword, port=myodbcport, 
database=mydatabasename
I find this is a quick and short method for database interfacing but then I've only been working with this method for almost 10 years ;-). Thomas From a post on Wed, 26 Jul 2006 on the Zope list: To connect to an MS Access DB on a windows machine you'll need to set the DB up as a system data source on the machine. This is done in the Start menu -> Administration -> ODBC datasources. Add a system data source in there, and browse to your mdb file. Give the data source a name of your own choice, and when you go back into the zope manager and add the DB connection you need to write this data source name (DSN) in the connection string. After that your ZSQL methods will work perfectly. On Tuesday 15 August 2006 21:50, Mark Gilman wrote: > Hi, > > The answer to this is likely obvious, but not to me. What is the easiest > way to collect data via a web-based form in such a manner that it can be > imported into a lightweight database such as Access? I realize that one > can use a simple HTML form and then use post or a similar method to email > the data, but what I'm looking for is a more elegant way to collect > structured data (i.e. several thousand summer reading program > registrations) in a manner that obviates the need to rekey it into a > database. Preferably this would be a technology that does not rely on a > lot of fancy server support. I've sort of had one eye on the XForms > development, but since no browsers supports XForms out of the box, that > doesn't yet seem the right path to explore. > > The basic HTML forms I've used in the past are pretty limited. Should I be > exploring multipart/form-data? What I want to be able to do, I suppose, is > to be able to aggregate a bunch of strings that are readable by Access as > records. They wouldn't have to be very sophisticated. They are > essentially just flat files. I guess we would like to filter or otherwise > validate certain of the fields. > > Regards, > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Wed Aug 16 09:34:37 2006 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:37:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] publishing content to two web sites Message-ID: Hi, We would like to publish the same content to two web sites. One site is the library web site and the other is the local authority or parent organization web site. Although the content is the same, the look of the two web sites is different. Is there an efficient way of doing this? Is there a content manager that will automatically do this for us? Any ideas would be welcome. John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* Tá eolas atá príobháideach agus rúnda sa ríomhphost seo agus aon iatán a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amháin a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. Má tá an ríomhphost seo faighte agat trí dhearmad, cuir an seoltóir ar an eolas thrí aischur ríomhphoist agus scrios ansin é le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* From mgilman at dallaslibrary.org Wed Aug 16 09:44:51 2006 From: mgilman at dallaslibrary.org (Mark Gilman) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:44:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input Message-ID: Further to the message below, a couple folks replied with ideas about how to proceed. I should perhaps clarify that I'm well aware of the limitations of Access; however, it's ubiquity in our environment makes it a tool of choice for many our staff. I think I've found a script that I can customize to get the form data dumped into a format that we can work with. It's called CSVWrite http://www.ezscripting.com/csvwrite/ There is both a free and an "xtra" version. It's pretty lightweight and I may end up having to purge the data weekly or something like that, but ... on the plus side the set-up appears to be dead easy. As I move deeper into these waters, I can see that I really must learn a language, either PERL or PHP or Ruby, etc. Regards, Mark >>> Mark Gilman 08/15/06 20:50 PM >>> Hi, The answer to this is likely obvious, but not to me. What is the easiest way to collect data via a web-based form in such a manner that it can be imported into a lightweight database such as Access? I realize that one can use a simple HTML form and then use post or a similar method to email the data, but what I'm looking for is a more elegant way to collect structured data (i.e. several thousand summer reading program registrations) in a manner that obviates the need to rekey it into a database. Preferably this would be a technology that does not rely on a lot of fancy server support. I've sort of had one eye on the XForms development, but since no browsers supports XForms out of the box, that doesn't yet seem the right path to explore. The basic HTML forms I've used in the past are pretty limited. Should I be exploring multipart/form-data? What I want to be able to do, I suppose, is to be able to aggregate a bunch of strings that are readable by Access as records. They wouldn't have to be very sophisticated. They are essentially just flat files. I guess we would like to filter or otherwise validate certain of the fields. Regards, Mark _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Wed Aug 16 09:49:07 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:49:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] publishing content to two web sites Message-ID: You might want to investigate setting up an RSS or Atom feed on the local authority website. Publish your content to your library site, and then have the other site pull in any new content from your library site via a feed. Vive la syndication! -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon Sent: August 16, 2006 9:35 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] publishing content to two web sites Hi, We would like to publish the same content to two web sites. One site is the library web site and the other is the local authority or parent organization web site. Although the content is the same, the look of the two web sites is different. Is there an efficient way of doing this? Is there a content manager that will automatically do this for us? Any ideas would be welcome. John Fitzgibbon p: 00 353 91 562471 f: 00 353 91 565039 w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie ******************************************************************* T? eolas at? pr?obh?ideach agus r?nda sa r?omhphost seo agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad. Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id. M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad, cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil. This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ********************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From HankiA at parl.gc.ca Wed Aug 16 09:53:34 2006 From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:53:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input Message-ID: When I'm faced with a problem like this, I start poking around Sourceforge to see if someone's written something that will meet my needs. http://www.sf.net In fact, I just found this here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/webformfactory And its associated site, http://www.webformfactory.com/ Hope this helps, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mark Gilman Sent: August 15, 2006 9:51 PM To: 'Web4Lib (web4lib@webjunction.org)' Subject: [Web4lib] collecting form input Hi, The answer to this is likely obvious, but not to me. What is the easiest way to collect data via a web-based form in such a manner that it can be imported into a lightweight database such as Access? I realize that one can use a simple HTML form and then use post or a similar method to email the data, but what I'm looking for is a more elegant way to collect structured data (i.e. several thousand summer reading program registrations) in a manner that obviates the need to rekey it into a database. Preferably this would be a technology that does not rely on a lot of fancy server support. I've sort of had one eye on the XForms development, but since no browsers supports XForms out of the box, that doesn't yet seem the right path to explore. The basic HTML forms I've used in the past are pretty limited. Should I be exploring multipart/form-data? What I want to be able to do, I suppose, is to be able to aggregate a bunch of strings that are readable by Access as records. They wouldn't have to be very sophisticated. They are essentially just flat files. I guess we would like to filter or otherwise validate certain of the fields. Regards, Mark _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jorgeserrano at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 10:08:30 2006 From: jorgeserrano at gmail.com (Jorge Serrano Cobos) Date: Wed Aug 16 10:08:34 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] rssify del.icio.us, citeseer google scholar... In-Reply-To: <44E1F411.30801@ucalgary.ca> References: <668dcc760608110352l35d24231i54ad2b3c584c47b3@mail.gmail.com> <44E1F411.30801@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <668dcc760608160708o68a43332pd8f9970a6c861cbf@mail.gmail.com> Hello Paul, thank you very much, that sounds like a great hack. Always helpeful Web4lib ;-) I?ll try as soon as possible. Jorge Serrano 2006/8/15, Paul R. Pival : > > Jorge, I think I've got the trick using a service called Feed43 ( > http://feed43.com). I wrote up my procedure with screen shots at > http://distlib.blogs.com/distlib/2006/08/using_feed43_to.html > > Here's the feed for your search - try it, and if it works for you, go on > to the post above for instructions on how to apply to any search within > del.icio.us :-) > > http://feed43.com/del-infoseek.xml > > Paul R. Pival > Distance Education Librarian > 213E MLT > University of Calgary > Calgary, Alberta T2N 1N4 *Phone: > Toll Free: > Fax: > IM: > Website:* > (403) 220-2119 > 1 (866) 210-9637 > (403) 282-6837 > MSN, AIM, Yahoo! > > Library Connection > > > Jorge Serrano Cobos wrote: > > Excuse me, dear friends: > > Does anyone know how to rrsify a search into del.icio.us or other rss > directory or search engine, like this one?: > > http://del.icio.us/search/?fr=del_icio_us&p=information+seeking&type=all > > I know I can rssify a tag results page, like: > http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/webanalytics > > but I see nothing for a specific search, as far as I know, like google > alerts, for instance. > > Any other great rss directory or service or tool could permit that? Is > there such a service, hack or tool applied to something like cite seer, > google scholar, etc, in order to be updated about a more specific keyword > articles, theses, etc...? > > Thanks in advance for your answers, > > -- Jorge Serrano Cobos Departamento de Contenidos http//www.masmedios.com Miembro del Grupo Thinkepi http://www.thinkepi.net Web personal: http://trucosdegoogle.blogspot.com From rbvidrine at waketech.edu Wed Aug 16 11:37:40 2006 From: rbvidrine at waketech.edu (Rachel Vidrine) Date: Wed Aug 16 11:38:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my library, I have some questions about how oth Message-ID: <44E303840200009A0000C52E@gwmail.waketech.edu> As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my library, I have some questions about how other libraries handle these reserves. Our electronic reserves program is fairly new, so we don't have any clearly established policies. -Do you use any kind of software program to manage your reserves program? Presently, I create HTML pages with links to the PDF files. I place all the PDF files for a class in one folder and password protect the folder. -How do you handle requests from faculty who want their articles kept on electronic reserve semester after semester? Do you take the articles down during the breaks between semesters and then re-post them when the semester begins? Keeping copyrighted material online semester after semester seems like a violation of copyright, but removing and re-posting requires a lot of maintenance. Thanks for any information. From dan at riverofdata.com Wed Aug 16 12:37:44 2006 From: dan at riverofdata.com (dan@riverofdata.com) Date: Wed Aug 16 12:38:43 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my Message-ID: <20060816163744.4263.qmail@ns2.webmasters.com> Boise State is one of a great many libraries that uses ERes from Docutek. http://www.docutek.com/products/eres/index.html We're very happy with it. Some libraries do it with a course management tool like BlackBoard. You might wish to post your question to the CIRCPLUS list, as there have been many discussions of this topic there. If I can help further, please let me know. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachel Vidrine rbvidrine@waketech.edu To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Sent: 8/16/06 11:38 AM Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my > As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my library, I have > some questions about how other libraries handle these reserves. Our > electronic reserves program is fairly new, so we don't have any clearly > established policies. > > -Do you use any kind of software program to manage your reserves > program? Presently, I create HTML pages with links to the PDF files. I > place all the PDF files for a class in one folder and password protect > the folder. > > -How do you handle requests from faculty who want their articles kept > on electronic reserve semester after semester? Do you take the articles > down during the breaks between semesters and then re-post them when the > semester begins? Keeping copyrighted material online semester after > semester seems like a violation of copyright, but removing and > re-posting requires a lot of maintenance. > > Thanks for any information. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Wed Aug 16 16:22:48 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:22:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F35A@kelso.cudenver.edu> Rachel, I'll second Dan on Docutek's ERes. I've worked in two libraries that use it, and both are very happy with it. If memory serves, it's fairly affordable, and it will no doubt save you time over your current process--use that angle to sell it to your admin, if necessary. :) Faculty and students like it for ease of use. You won't be able to get into the reserves themselves, obviously, but here are some links to supporting pages from my former place of employment, including forms that manage submissions and copyright info: http://ereserves.howardcc.edu/eres/default.aspx Hope this helps, Nina -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of dan@riverofdata.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:38 AM To: rbvidrine@waketech.edu Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Re: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my Boise State is one of a great many libraries that uses ERes from Docutek. http://www.docutek.com/products/eres/index.html We're very happy with it. Some libraries do it with a course management tool like BlackBoard. You might wish to post your question to the CIRCPLUS list, as there have been many discussions of this topic there. If I can help further, please let me know. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachel Vidrine rbvidrine@waketech.edu To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Sent: 8/16/06 11:38 AM Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my > As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my library, I > have some questions about how other libraries handle these reserves. > Our electronic reserves program is fairly new, so we don't have any > clearly established policies. > > -Do you use any kind of software program to manage your reserves > program? Presently, I create HTML pages with links to the PDF files. I > place all the PDF files for a class in one folder and password protect > the folder. > > -How do you handle requests from faculty who want their articles kept > on electronic reserve semester after semester? Do you take the > articles down during the breaks between semesters and then re-post > them when the semester begins? Keeping copyrighted material online > semester after semester seems like a violation of copyright, but > removing and re-posting requires a lot of maintenance. > > Thanks for any information. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From michele.haytko at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 17:37:51 2006 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:37:54 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors Message-ID: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better than "Senior Track". Thanks in advance! ~michele~ -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me?. From beanworks at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 17:58:28 2006 From: beanworks at gmail.com (Carol Bean) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:59:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89F312CB-2EB7-47E1-93A8-2AE1667E8669@gmail.com> We call them "Getting Started" classes, to distinguish them from our regular classes (they work for non-seniors as well). That will probably have to change, however, since I plan on expanding the content and type of "getting started" classes. FWIW, there are materials at esnips: http://www.esnips.com/web/GettingStarted. we started out with 4 classes and had to expand them to 5. Carol Bean North County Regional Library 11303 Campus Dr. Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 561-626-6133 On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Michele Haytko wrote: > What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you > don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating > a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better > than "Senior Track". > > Thanks in advance! > > ~michele~ > > -- > **************)0(************** > Mrs. C. Michele Haytko > Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library > MC-NPL Computer Lab > 1001 Powell Street > Norristown, PA 19401 > 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 > > Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me?. > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From cmagnuss at arrowhead.lib.mn.us Wed Aug 16 18:00:02 2006 From: cmagnuss at arrowhead.lib.mn.us (Chris Magnusson) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:59:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501c6c17f$5381a310$8b10a8c0@ChrisXP> We offer several computer classes but just call them what they are even though it is 90% seniors that take them. FYI, We also have all are lesson plans on that we allow anyone to use. Go to www.hibbing.lib.mn.us and click on "Computer Classes" for our schedule for the fall and a link to our lesson plans. Chris Magnusson Website and Periodical Technician Hibbing Public Library 2020 5th Avenue East Hibbing, MN 55746 218 262 1038 www.hibbing.mn.us www.hibbing.lib.mn.us http://hibbinglibrary.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michele Haytko Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:38 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; publib Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better than "Senior Track". Thanks in advance! ~michele~ -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me.. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 16 20:29:03 2006 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed Aug 16 20:29:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As someone old enough to qualify for AARP membership and all kinds of senior citizen benefits I feel the need to make a point here. Back in the early days of personal computing, the Internet, the Web, etc, it made sense to focus on seniors as a group with limited computing experience. The seniors back then had grown up in an age without computers. Now we are sliding into an age where a lot of nascent seniors have dealt with computing for most of their lives. As an example, I've worked professionally with computing/IT for 30 years. Anyway, at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already happened) a person's age will no longer be a reliable indicator of computing background/experience. Folks who develop training courses will need to consider this. It has a lot more to do with a person's level of experience/comfort with computers than it has to do with a person's age. "Senior classes" may become an artifact of the early days of computing. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michele Haytko Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:38 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; publib Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better than "Senior Track". Thanks in advance! ~michele~ -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me.... _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From beanworks at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 22:03:52 2006 From: beanworks at gmail.com (Carol Bean) Date: Wed Aug 16 22:03:59 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: References: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8386e5430608161903h517d4a25s6dcddbeefa76374e@mail.gmail.com> As someone who teaches primarily seniors (in this case, adults over 65) to use computers, and who has extensively researched gerontology and older adult learning on computers, I would have to disagree. First of all, according to the *Pew Internet* & American Life Project, only about 32% of adults over 65 go online (the number is up from less than 30% a few years ago). Historically, the number that use computers but don't go online has been slightly higher than those that do. That's a big percentage of older adults who do not use computers. There are people who retired from the workforce just as desktop computers were becoming mainstream. Until recently they had very little incentive to join in the technology revolution. Now they are left out of communication, excluded from resources, and sometimes excluded from basic services if they cannot use a computer and get online. But there are significant barriers to adopting the technology, and one of those significant barriers is the lack of effective computer training for them which takes into account the aging factors which intefere with their learning. For a discussion, see Meeting the Challenge: Training an Aging Population to Use Computers ( http://sela.jsu.edu/SoutheasternLibrarian/Fall2003.pdf, also available at http://dlist.sir.arizona.edu/259/) and Techniques for Enabling the Older Population in Technology( www.jelit.org/archive/00000040/01/JeLit_17.pdf) But even when we are past this group of older adults, there will be the next generation, who, yes, will have experience with computers and technology. >From *yesterday*. They will need to learn the new technology that we can see coming down the pipes. But the older they get, the more incentive they need to learn new technology. They pretty much go with what's comfortable (what they know now). As an example, my dad is 80 years old. He has been using computers since 1978. He had an Adobe program he had been using for 15 years to do some very simple graphics manipulation on documents (something word processors have been doing for almost 10 years now). I couldn't get him to switch to Word, or Open Office for anything. Finally he was forced to find something else because the program he was using wouldn't run on his new computer. I was able to get him to try iWorks, with a lot of cajoling and hand-holding. He's satisfied because it does what he wants, but not happy because he's having a hard time relearning everything. Senior classes will not be artifacts until there are no more Seniors, or there is no new technology. I'll get off my soapbox now... :-) Carol Bean On 8/16/06, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > > As someone old enough to qualify for AARP membership and all kinds of > senior citizen benefits I feel the need to make a point here. > > Back in the early days of personal computing, the Internet, the Web, > etc, it made sense to focus on seniors as a group with limited computing > experience. The seniors back then had grown up in an age without > computers. Now we are sliding into an age where a lot of nascent seniors > have dealt with computing for most of their lives. As an example, I've > worked professionally with computing/IT for 30 years. > > Anyway, at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already happened) > a person's age will no longer be a reliable indicator of computing > background/experience. > > Folks who develop training courses will need to consider this. It has a > lot more to do with a person's level of experience/comfort with > computers than it has to do with a person's age. "Senior classes" may > become an artifact of the early days of computing. > > Bernie Sloan > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michele Haytko > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:38 PM > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; publib > Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors > > What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you > don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating > a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better > than "Senior Track". > > Thanks in advance! > > ~michele~ > > -- > **************)0(************** > Mrs. C. Michele Haytko > Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library > MC-NPL Computer Lab > 1001 Powell Street > Norristown, PA 19401 > 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 > > Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me.... > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 16 22:15:42 2006 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed Aug 16 22:15:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <8386e5430608161903h517d4a25s6dcddbeefa76374e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My point was that as Baby Boomers (for lack of a better term) become seniors libraries need to rethink the concept of computing classes for seniors. ________________________________ From: Carol Bean [mailto:beanworks@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:04 PM To: Sloan, Bernie Cc: Michele Haytko; Web4lib@webjunction.org; publib Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors As someone who teaches primarily seniors (in this case, adults over 65) to use computers, and who has extensively researched gerontology and older adult learning on computers, I would have to disagree. First of all, according to the Pew Internet & American Life Project , only about 32% of adults over 65 go online (the number is up from less than 30% a few years ago). Historically, the number that use computers but don't go online has been slightly higher than those that do. That's a big percentage of older adults who do not use computers. There are people who retired from the workforce just as desktop computers were becoming mainstream. Until recently they had very little incentive to join in the technology revolution. Now they are left out of communication, excluded from resources, and sometimes excluded from basic services if they cannot use a computer and get online. But there are significant barriers to adopting the technology, and one of those significant barriers is the lack of effective computer training for them which takes into account the aging factors which intefere with their learning. For a discussion, see Meeting the Challenge: Training an Aging Population to Use Computers (http://sela.jsu.edu/SoutheasternLibrarian/Fall2003.pdf, also available at http://dlist.sir.arizona.edu/259/) and Techniques for Enabling the Older Population in Technology (www.jelit.org/archive/00000040/01/JeLit_17.pdf) But even when we are past this group of older adults, there will be the next generation, who, yes, will have experience with computers and technology. From *yesterday*. They will need to learn the new technology that we can see coming down the pipes. But the older they get, the more incentive they need to learn new technology. They pretty much go with what's comfortable (what they know now). As an example, my dad is 80 years old. He has been using computers since 1978. He had an Adobe program he had been using for 15 years to do some very simple graphics manipulation on documents (something word processors have been doing for almost 10 years now). I couldn't get him to switch to Word, or Open Office for anything. Finally he was forced to find something else because the program he was using wouldn't run on his new computer. I was able to get him to try iWorks, with a lot of cajoling and hand-holding. He's satisfied because it does what he wants, but not happy because he's having a hard time relearning everything. Senior classes will not be artifacts until there are no more Seniors, or there is no new technology. I'll get off my soapbox now... :-) Carol Bean On 8/16/06, Sloan, Bernie wrote: As someone old enough to qualify for AARP membership and all kinds of senior citizen benefits I feel the need to make a point here. Back in the early days of personal computing, the Internet, the Web, etc, it made sense to focus on seniors as a group with limited computing experience. The seniors back then had grown up in an age without computers. Now we are sliding into an age where a lot of nascent seniors have dealt with computing for most of their lives. As an example, I've worked professionally with computing/IT for 30 years. Anyway, at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already happened) a person's age will no longer be a reliable indicator of computing background/experience. Folks who develop training courses will need to consider this. It has a lot more to do with a person's level of experience/comfort with computers than it has to do with a person's age. "Senior classes" may become an artifact of the early days of computing. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org ] On Behalf Of Michele Haytko Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:38 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org; publib Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors What do you call your classes specifically for seniors or, if you don't have a special name, what would you call them? We are creating a special, 4-part series, and want to come up with something better than "Senior Track". Thanks in advance! ~michele~ -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me.... _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Wed Aug 16 22:19:23 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed Aug 16 22:19:26 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my In-Reply-To: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F35A@kelso.cudenver.edu> References: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F35A@kelso.cudenver.edu> Message-ID: <23b83f160608161919k63e22459raad0f76d870e0831@mail.gmail.com> I feel like I need to step up and promote ReservesDirect at this point. At Emory, we started ReservesDirect after sitting through an ERes demo and being overwhelmed with disappointment at how... underwhelming it was. It doesn't integrate well with other library services (course management notwithstanding). It doesn't integrate well with the OPAC and either forces an awkward divide between 'print reserves' and 'ereserves' or awkwardly places the ereserves in the course listing. It's difficult to customize to make it look like it look seamless to the rest of your website. It's cheap, yes, but I wouldn't call it "worth it", and I say this from an institution that currently uses ERes (much to my chagrin). Check it out, they've even got a movie: http://www.reservesdirect.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page And, hey, "free" is cheaper than "cheap". -Ross. On 8/16/06, McHale, Nina wrote: > Rachel, > > I'll second Dan on Docutek's ERes. I've worked in two libraries that use > it, and both are very happy with it. If memory serves, it's fairly > affordable, and it will no doubt save you time over your current > process--use that angle to sell it to your admin, if necessary. :) > Faculty and students like it for ease of use. > > You won't be able to get into the reserves themselves, obviously, but > here are some links to supporting pages from my former place of > employment, including forms that manage submissions and copyright info: > > http://ereserves.howardcc.edu/eres/default.aspx > > Hope this helps, > > Nina > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of > dan@riverofdata.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:38 AM > To: rbvidrine@waketech.edu > Cc: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program > at my > > Boise State is one of a great many libraries that uses ERes from > Docutek. http://www.docutek.com/products/eres/index.html We're very > happy with it. Some libraries do it with a course management tool like > BlackBoard. > > You might wish to post your question to the CIRCPLUS list, as there have > been many discussions of this topic there. > > If I can help further, please let me know. > > dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rachel Vidrine rbvidrine@waketech.edu > To: Web4lib@webjunction.org > Sent: 8/16/06 11:38 AM > Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at > my > > > As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my library, I > > have some questions about how other libraries handle these reserves. > > Our electronic reserves program is fairly new, so we don't have any > > clearly established policies. > > > > -Do you use any kind of software program to manage your reserves > > program? Presently, I create HTML pages with links to the PDF files. I > > > place all the PDF files for a class in one folder and password protect > > > the folder. > > > > -How do you handle requests from faculty who want their articles kept > > on electronic reserve semester after semester? Do you take the > > articles down during the breaks between semesters and then re-post > > them when the semester begins? Keeping copyrighted material online > > semester after semester seems like a violation of copyright, but > > removing and re-posting requires a lot of maintenance. > > > > Thanks for any information. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web4lib mailing list > > Web4lib@webjunction.org > > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Wed Aug 16 22:21:04 2006 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed Aug 16 22:21:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my In-Reply-To: <23b83f160608161919k63e22459raad0f76d870e0831@mail.gmail.com> References: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F35A@kelso.cudenver.edu> <23b83f160608161919k63e22459raad0f76d870e0831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23b83f160608161921i512b84b1i4d0624ec8fbe52d9@mail.gmail.com> On 8/16/06, Ross Singer wrote: > It doesn't integrate well with the OPAC and either forces an awkward > divide between 'print reserves' and 'ereserves' or awkwardly places > the ereserves in the course listing. Er, I meant *print* reserve (via a clumsy url to the opac) in the course listing. -Ross. From tzimoski at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 01:03:02 2006 From: tzimoski at gmail.com (Thomas Zimoski) Date: Thu Aug 17 01:03:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] WorldCat - libraries owning an item Message-ID: <6098f65d0608162203idfc43ddx331f284b5461abee@mail.gmail.com> Elena O'Malley wrote in part: "It [WorldCat] seems to have a direct referral, at least when I look at it. When I pulled up an item onscreen, over on the far right there's a link for "Search the catalog at your library," whether or not the system indicates the library has the item." Yikes, I thought, I sure didn't notice that. But a lot escapes my notice and at work today I saw what Elena describes. I hadn't logged in to WorldCat, I hadn't entered any zip code, and yet WorldCat somehow knew what my home library was. I deleted cookies and WorldCat still knew. I asked for locations of a book near a St. Paul, MN, zip code and WorldCat still identified my home library out here in California. Maybe it's going by referring IP. But I'm home now (using my dial-up account with a nationwide ISP in case that matters) and I'm not seeing any "Search the catalog at your library" option and I'm still annoyed. Signing in to WorldCat doesn't help. I hope others who are annoyed will contact WorldCat as I have. I think that they should at least make it clear that their holdings information is incomplete. Tom Zimoski Fresno, CA From caryn.anderson at simmons.edu Thu Aug 17 08:19:11 2006 From: caryn.anderson at simmons.edu (Caryn Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 17 08:19:15 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Dawn of the Embedded Library (NEASIS&T) - Oct. 3, Medford, MA Message-ID: <1155817151.44e45ebfd1c66@email.simmons.edu> Please excuse cross-postings. Another exciting program from the New England chapter of the American Society for Information Science and Technology (NEASIS&T) ***************** The Dawn of the Embedded Library: Integrating Library Services into People's Trusted Networks Tuesday, 3 October 2006, 8:30am - 4:00pm (lunch included) Tufts University, Medford, MA So you've got a handle on the social software stuff, what's next? How do libraries position themselves where patrons are actually looking? How can libraries put tools where patrons want them? Join us for another engaging program featuring five pace-setters innovating at the edge of new library services! They will focus on examples of how and why libraries need to think beyond "marketing & advocacy" to a new level of findability, usability, and service. It is a future moving towards full integration of the library into users' daily web practices. * Learn new integrative technologies * Understand how they work together * Discover opportunities for your own library * Explore the future with speakers and colleagues during the always lively panel discussion! OUR PACE-SETTERS: * Nicole Hennig - Web Manager & Usability Specialist at the MIT Libraries * Annette Bailey and Godmar Back - Creators of the LibX Firefox toolbar extension (http://www.libx.org/) * Tim Spalding and Abigail Blachly - Founder and Librarian of LibraryThing (http://www.librarything.com/) REGISTER BY 26 SEPTEMBER 2006: http://www.neasist.org/pc/programs/20061003.html $50 ASIST Members - $70 Non-Members - $30 Student/Retiree/Between Jobs Lunch Included Questions?: E-mail Caryn Anderson (caryn.anderson@simmons.edu) -- Caryn Anderson Program Coordinator PhD/Managerial Leadership in the Information Professions GSLIS, Simmons College 300 The Fenway, P-204E Boston, MA 02115 caryn.anderson@simmons.edu 617.521.2829 http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/phdmlip/ From jorgeserrano at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 08:51:33 2006 From: jorgeserrano at gmail.com (Jorge Serrano Cobos) Date: Thu Aug 17 08:51:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] rssify del.icio.us, citeseer google scholar... Message-ID: <668dcc760608170551kbf33b1dr65e690f4383af94@mail.gmail.com> Tyson Tate told me privately about Magnolia, http://ma.gnolia.com/ and ask me about why not to use tags for information retrieval purposes. We agreed to share this with you all, I think could be interesting to think about differences between tagging (active content description) and retrieval (?or not?) My personal opinion: About why to use queries instead of tags for rssfying feeds, well, I?ve been working with taggers (profesional and non-profesionals) and I?ve seen them describing contents in a different "language" than they search; they usually search in a different way, not like they describe, even when searching (not browsing) the same information they have been tagging some time before, which is -for me- one of the problems of tags. If we take a look at https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal we can see what (and how much) people is actually looking for any concept, and you should see a range of more detailed keywords, compared to the closest tag (semantically) Yes, it?s common to see more searches for general keywords, but we can see also a long tail distribution, where (many times) the sum of all the searches for specific queries is more than the number of searches for the big general concepts. And when one is looking for being updated about a specific area, I see people being very specific, or at least painfully learning how much info drives to your system the rss general tag. With so much information tagged with the same tag, noise arises, and I do really need to narrow the rss information which I?m able to read everyday. I think many more people have the same problem as me, I?m information overloaded, even using rss for specific tags. By the way, I?ve seen another way to do it in http://blogsearch.google.es/ An example: http://blogsearch.google.es/blogsearch?hl=es&ie=UTF-8&q=%22information+seeking%22&btnG=Buscar+blogs&lr = Anyway, different ways to get what you need and don?t get lost in the info ocean;-) Of course, thank you very much for your attention, and sorry for my english (I?m spaniard) Regards, -- Jorge Serrano Cobos Content Department http//www.masmedios.com http://www.thinkepi.net Personal web: http://trucosdegoogle.blogspot.com From jdunck at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 10:14:09 2006 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Thu Aug 17 10:14:12 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] rssify del.icio.us, citeseer google scholar... In-Reply-To: <668dcc760608170551kbf33b1dr65e690f4383af94@mail.gmail.com> References: <668dcc760608170551kbf33b1dr65e690f4383af94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2545a92c0608170714i2ea2aa04jc53a91e7aafdc674@mail.gmail.com> On 8/17/06, Jorge Serrano Cobos wrote: > Of course, thank you very much for your attention, and sorry for my english > (I?m spaniard) Regards, Thank you for the post, and your English is excellent (and much better than my Spanish). From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Aug 17 10:32:09 2006 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Thu Aug 17 10:32:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: References: <15e475fa0608161437l331aa1eat6967f77c210153e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47214.198.111.163.210.1155825129.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> "Anyway, at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already happened) a person's age will no longer be a reliable indicator of computing background/experience." I think we've already reached this point although perhaps not in the way that Bernie was stating it. I think Bernie is right that there's a group of users approaching or reaching retirement age who have quite extensive computer experience. I also think there are a lot of seniors who have taken to computers in numbers that I think many would have predicted 5 or 10 years ago. However, I think there's also an assumption that younger users, having grown up with computers, are a group that doesn't need basic computer training. It presumes that as their percentage of the user base grows, computer and technology classes that focus on the basics will be less and less relevant. If that's the assumption, I'm here to say that I think it's flawed. I've seen enough younger users who can "use" a computer but really don't know the first thing about what they are doing. Having grown up in an environment where computers were always present, I think many younger users treat computers as tools or everyday objects so they use them to get done what they need to get done but they don't seem to have been taught and don't seem to feel the need to learn how it all works. They often display a complete lack of understanding of how the technology works. When the computer doesn't work, they don't have the first clue about how to get it to work. Whether this group realizes it or not, many of them would benefit from basic computer training. Unlike the senior group, youngers users don't necessarily need skills-based training. Instead, they would benefit from training that explains the concepts and how computers and networks work. The challenge will be to get this group to recognize that they need to know more about the technology than just how to turn the computer on and off. But I still see a place for the basics even as more of our users are born into a world where the presence of the computer and technology is everywhere. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Thu Aug 17 10:58:14 2006 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (robin) Date: Thu Aug 17 10:56:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <47214.198.111.163.210.1155825129.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <00f801c6c20d$90d269f0$5006010a@scplnet.lib.il.us> I agree completely. We hear so much about the young people today having been "born with the chip" but they are just as dependent on us for assistance when things go wrong as older patrons. In fact there is sometimes a dangerous assumption on their part that they *do* know a lot about it, which can cause them to do things I'd hesitate to do (and no, they are no better about saving work in progress, either. Just recently I talked to a student (maybe junior high school?) who had lost a paper he was writing when the computer crashed; when I asked if he had saved his work he just looked blank. I had to explain to him the concept of saving to a disk). -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Mutch Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:32 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org; publib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors "Anyway, at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already happened) a person's age will no longer be a reliable indicator of computing background/experience." I think we've already reached this point although perhaps not in the way that Bernie was stating it. I think Bernie is right that there's a group of users approaching or reaching retirement age who have quite extensive computer experience. I also think there are a lot of seniors who have taken to computers in numbers that I think many would have predicted 5 or 10 years ago. However, I think there's also an assumption that younger users, having grown up with computers, are a group that doesn't need basic computer training. It presumes that as their percentage of the user base grows, computer and technology classes that focus on the basics will be less and less relevant. If that's the assumption, I'm here to say that I think it's flawed. I've seen enough younger users who can "use" a computer but really don't know the first thing about what they are doing. Having grown up in an environment where computers were always present, I think many younger users treat computers as tools or everyday objects so they use them to get done what they need to get done but they don't seem to have been taught and don't seem to feel the need to learn how it all works. They often display a complete lack of understanding of how the technology works. When the computer doesn't work, they don't have the first clue about how to get it to work. Whether this group realizes it or not, many of them would benefit from basic computer training. Unlike the senior group, youngers users don't necessarily need skills-based training. Instead, they would benefit from training that explains the concepts and how computers and networks work. The challenge will be to get this group to recognize that they need to know more about the technology than just how to turn the computer on and off. But I still see a place for the basics even as more of our users are born into a world where the presence of the computer and technology is everywhere. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 17 11:07:36 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:07:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <47214.198.111.163.210.1155825129.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <20060817150738.DA7B4A7B@heartbeat2.internal> Substitute "car" for "computer" in that discussion. Now think, do you know how your car works? I have a good, general idea, and I also know how to read the instrument panel, listen to sounds that indicate problems, provide its scheduled maintenance, and call AAA when I have road trouble. I think the level of computer knowledge shouldn't need to be higher or lower than that for most people, young or old, regardless of setting. The kid with the blank look about saving to disk is the same one you see on the side of the highway trying to change his own tire because he wasn't listening when his parents said "road service." He needs that level of education, but he doesn't necessarily need to know how an API works or what RSS means. This isn't disagreeing with what's been said... just refining the concept. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de Thu Aug 17 11:11:35 2006 From: Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Schaarwaechter) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:11:40 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] InetBib Conference Message-ID: <44E48727.8060709@ub.uni-dortmund.de> Hi Web4lib, Web4lib's German sister list "InetBib" will hold a meeting from September 6th to September 8th in Muenster, Westphalia (Germany). It is the 9th. meeting of the InetBib community. We expect about 400 conference participants from various libraries. Many topics which are discussed in InetBib as well as in Web4lib are on the agenda of the meeting, especially the new character of the Internet. This new direction is often called Library 2.0. The meeting examines the various issues which will define the future of Public and Academic Libraries. The topics range from Internet portals, web logs, the legal background, e-Science to information management. The full programme can be found at: http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/inetbib2006/index.html. Members from Web4lib are welcome to attend the meeting. For more information and registration see http://www.inetbib.de. Greetings from the organising team and InetBib (and thanks for the translation to Christian Kirsch!) Michael Schaarwaechter -- Michael Schaarwaechter http://www.schaarwaechter.de http://www.inetbib.de http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de From dplumer at tsl.state.tx.us Thu Aug 17 11:33:43 2006 From: dplumer at tsl.state.tx.us (Danielle Plumer) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:33:46 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors Message-ID: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E0410C3DF@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us> I like Karen's point, but one thing I've noticed in teaching classes for genealogists (a high percentage of whom are seniors), is that you need to take their physical limitations into account. This may include: hearing loss, vision impairment (including special lenses), and limited mobility/hand control due to arthritis, Parkinson's, etc. There may also be cognitive issues, but, frankly, I haven't seen too much of that. Whenever I taught one of these classes, I always explained that usability and ergonomics are part of the reason why the students were having problems. I also taught the students ways around the problems (including my personal favorite, the two-handed mouse technique). My students appreciated learning that some of the problems were NOT THEIR FAULT. Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) dplumer@tsl.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- I think the level of computer knowledge shouldn't need to be higher or lower than that for most people, young or old, regardless of setting. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From michele.haytko at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 11:42:32 2006 From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:42:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <20060817150738.DA7B4A7B@heartbeat2.internal> References: <47214.198.111.163.210.1155825129.squirrel@mail.tln.lib.mi.us> <20060817150738.DA7B4A7B@heartbeat2.internal> Message-ID: <15e475fa0608170842x2b09f057nac5a6ffa24ea40ca@mail.gmail.com> Let me try to refine my post further. We offer computer classes that range from the basics up through high usage productivity software. Those classes are open for everyone and we've taught from 8 year old homeschoolers through users in their 80s. There are no restrictions on these classes and we market them to everyone. These classes are complete with "tests" that students must pass to go onto the next class. In the last few months, our marketing has garnered us A LOT of senior citizens. These students, by their own admission, not only have no clue as to how to use a PC, they have no idea what a PC is, nor do they wish to enter the job market, go back to school, etc. They want basic PC knowledge/skills and how to get on the Internet to email their friends, kids, and grandkids. As we don't have anything as basic as their needs suggest they want, we've decided to implement classes like this, in addition to our normal classes. These classes will not have tests at the end and will not count as any prereqs. They are simply some basic level courses. If non-seniors wanted to take them, we'd sign them up in a heartbeat, but most of our non-senior students want more than just "this is a computer and this is your email", which is why they take our traditional classes. There are plenty of folks, young and old alike, who do not have computer knowledge. The difference is the goal. Do they want to integrate computers into their life or do they just feel like they need to know "something" so that they can do one or two things. Those different desires dictate different classes, especially since those falling into the latter category are not passing the traditional classes. Thanks again for your comments and your name suggestions. So far, we've liked "Silver Surfers" the best; a close second is "the Silver Track". ~michele~ -- **************)0(************** Mrs. C. Michele Haytko Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab 1001 Powell Street Norristown, PA 19401 610-278-5100 Ext. 141 Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me?. From kayiwa at uic.edu Thu Aug 17 12:04:55 2006 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Thu Aug 17 12:10:04 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] As the manager of the electronic reserves program at my In-Reply-To: <23b83f160608161919k63e22459raad0f76d870e0831@mail.gmail.com> References: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F35A@kelso.cudenver.edu> <23b83f160608161919k63e22459raad0f76d870e0831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 16, 2006, at 9:19 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > I feel like I need to step up and promote ReservesDirect at this > point. At Emory, we started ReservesDirect after sitting through an > ERes demo and being overwhelmed with disappointment at how... > underwhelming it was. > > It doesn't integrate well with other library services (course > management notwithstanding). > > It doesn't integrate well with the OPAC and either forces an awkward > divide between 'print reserves' and 'ereserves' or awkwardly places > the ereserves in the course listing. > > It's difficult to customize to make it look like it look seamless to > the rest of your website. > > It's cheap, yes, but I wouldn't call it "worth it", and I say this > from an institution that currently uses ERes (much to my chagrin). > > Check it out, they've even got a movie: > http://www.reservesdirect.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > And, hey, "free" is cheaper than "cheap". KEEN! From this current (possibly former) ERes User. The folks at Emory might want to change the spelling of Sidney (sic) to Sydney. :-) regards, ./fxk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE5JOqN+YGKSXdLhkRAmv4AJ9x1fnKq4hPsuSShOP/5l11WkD5DACbBpzB w7S5dk/bPdFtQ7Xyb9ywFas= =GTaw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Thu Aug 17 12:12:23 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Thu Aug 17 12:14:41 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0440F513@kelso.cudenver.edu> Karen's car analogy reminded me of my grandmother-in-law. A retired librarian, she uses her computer to edit a news column for a local paper, scans photos for geneaology projects, and communicates regularly with her entire family via email. I've always been impressed at how adept she is at *using* her computer. When it comes to simple maintenance, though, enter my husband, who gets pulled into the office everytime we visit to fix something. She is also very resistant to any kind of upgrades, even though that is often the cause of the problem. When my husband didn't know what to suggest other than replacement for an obviously dying printer that was the size of a Mini Cooper, she asked incredulously, "What? It's only eight years old!" (She also was aghast that her furnace only lasted 50 years.) I'm just curious: does anyone out there include in their senior classes issues about personal computer maintenance and upgrading? I know getting down to specifics would be impossible because everyone's computer is going to be different, but covering basic concepts like regular maintenance and frequency of upgrades might be helpful to those who think like my GIL. Someone, I think Scott Brandt, suggested at a conference that even showing patrons how to clean the lint out of a mouse--go ahead and laugh, but my workstation mouse still has a ball--made them feel a lot more confident about computers. Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center-Downtown Campus, Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Denver 1100 Lawrence Street Denver, Colorado 80204 303-556-4729 nina.mchale@cudenver.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Plumer Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:34 AM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors I like Karen's point, but one thing I've noticed in teaching classes for genealogists (a high percentage of whom are seniors), is that you need to take their physical limitations into account. This may include: hearing loss, vision impairment (including special lenses), and limited mobility/hand control due to arthritis, Parkinson's, etc. There may also be cognitive issues, but, frankly, I haven't seen too much of that. Whenever I taught one of these classes, I always explained that usability and ergonomics are part of the reason why the students were having problems. I also taught the students ways around the problems (including my personal favorite, the two-handed mouse technique). My students appreciated learning that some of the problems were NOT THEIR FAULT. Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) dplumer@tsl.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- I think the level of computer knowledge shouldn't need to be higher or lower than that for most people, young or old, regardless of setting. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From djones at scu.edu Thu Aug 17 12:39:39 2006 From: djones at scu.edu (David Jones) Date: Thu Aug 17 12:39:56 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors Message-ID: >>> "Michele Haytko" 8/17/2006 8:42 AM >>> Thanks again for your comments and your name suggestions. So far, we've liked "Silver Surfers" the best; a close second is "the Silver Track". <<< When the discussion started, the phrase 'senior citizens' was not used and just 'seniors' was. Coming from an academic background, my first thought was "aren't those classes just called 'upper-division'?" :-) As someone that's going silver (well, where I'm not going bald) way before AARP eligibility, I can't help but think that using a variation of 'golden' might be a little more appropriate... HTH, David _____________________________________________________________________ David Jones mailto:djones@scu.edu Library Systems Manager http://www.scu.edu/library/ University Library fax: 408-551-1805 Santa Clara University phone: 408-551-7167 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara CA 95053-0500 _____________________________________________________________________ Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 17 13:08:00 2006 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Thu Aug 17 13:08:05 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Classes for Seniors In-Reply-To: <45057232A4AC6444B0F9452131E7446E0410C3DF@exchange.win2k.tsl.state.tx.us> Message-ID: <20060817170802.AE67D28B3@heartbeat2.internal> > I like Karen's point, but one thing I've noticed in teaching classes for > genealogists (a high percentage of whom are seniors), is that you need to > take their physical limitations into account. This may include: hearing > loss, vision impairment (including special lenses), and limited > mobility/hand control due to arthritis, Parkinson's, etc. There may also > be cognitive issues, but, frankly, I haven't seen too much of that. > > Whenever I taught one of these classes, I always explained that usability > and ergonomics are part of the reason why the students were having > problems. I also taught the students ways around the problems (including > my personal favorite, the two-handed mouse technique). My students > appreciated learning that some of the problems were NOT THEIR FAULT. Those are excellent points for refining the instruction experience. Also, not only should we teach computer maintenance-but as someone who blew out her right arm two years ago from not enough keyboard breaks and 18-hour keyboard days (curse you, Blackboard!)-and who learned about "screen distance" from her opthamalogist-we need to teach HUMAN maintenance as well! Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From mjkhoo at ucar.edu Thu Aug 17 15:09:34 2006 From: mjkhoo at ucar.edu (Mick Khoo) Date: Thu Aug 17 15:09:14 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CFP - The New Review of Hypermedia and Multimedia: Studying the Users of Digital Education Technologies In-Reply-To: <44E48727.8060709@ub.uni-dortmund.de> References: <44E48727.8060709@ub.uni-dortmund.de> Message-ID: ***CALL FOR PAPERS*** [with apologies for cross-posting] THE NEW REVIEW OF HYPERMEDIA AND MULTIMEDIA, SPECIAL ISSUE "STUDYING THE USERS OF DIGITAL EDUCATION TECHNOLOGIES: THEORIES, METHODS AND ANALYTICAL APPROACHES" Guest editor: Michael Khoo, National Science Digital Library, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, United States mjkhoo@ucar.edu Submission deadline: 16 May 2007 Acceptance notification: 2 July 2007 Final manuscripts due: 20 August 2007 Digital technologies are increasingly integral components of educational settings and Digital Libraries, serving for instance as repositories, as scaffolds to enhance face-to-face pedagogy, and as distance-learning tools. How might we understand the impact of these technologies on knowledge and learning, and what lessons might be learnt from their use, that could be applied to future technologies? Addressing these research questions requires recognition of the highly complex character of digital education technologies: they vary in size from handheld PDAs to large distributed digital library projects; they are used in a range of formal and informal educational settings ranging from schools and universities to hospitals, clinics, museums and art galleries; and they serve learners of all ages. How may researchers approach this heterogeneity and work towards useful research outcomes? This special issue of NRHM addresses issues associated with the qualitative understanding of the use of digital educational technologies in real-life contexts (with a focus on digital libraries, broadly conceived), by emphasizing the importance of contextual sociotechnical studies of technology use and design. The issue will consider educational technologies as complex mixtures of people, practices and technologies, embedded in a range of institutional, technological and social contexts. The editor therefore invites contributions that address the qualitative and sociotechnical study of digital educational technologies and users ?in the wild.? Relevant topics include, but are not limited to: Theoretical approaches - Ethnographic, anthropological, sociological, sociotechnical, activity theory, practice-based, and other approaches to the analysis of digital educational technologies Methodological approaches - Ethnography - HCI, user testing, scenarios, interviews, focus groups, etc. - Discourse analysis - Webmetrics and use models - Etc. Applications to particular domains - Science education - Medical - Digital Libraries - User groups and use-in-context - Etc. Applied approaches - Case studies - Qualitative research and project evaluation strategies - Communicating qualitative research results to digital library developers and sponsors - Etc. The New Review of Hypermedia and Multimedia (NRHM) is published by Taylor & Francis and appears in both print and digital formats. For more details, see the journal website: http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/13614568.asp Submissions should be sent by email to the guest editor, preferably in pdf format. Questions and enquiries concerning this call should be directed to the guest editor. Open topic papers meeting NRHM's scope in general are also welcome (send to Editor, dstudhope@glam.ac.uk). -------------- next part -------------- ======================================== Michael Khoo Evaluator, Core Integration Team National Science Digital Library (NSDL) University Corporation for Atmospheric Research P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------- tel: +1 303 497-2604 fax: +1 303 497-8336 -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.mjkhoo.info/ ======================================== From kt32 at drexel.edu Thu Aug 17 17:59:30 2006 From: kt32 at drexel.edu (Turner,Kathleen) Date: Thu Aug 17 18:04:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? References: Message-ID: <6C5331B39A8B1343BA05E22EBC9C265F0662595E@ace.drexel.edu> Keith, One of our resident wizards created a "linkmaker" for our faculty to use for this function: http://www.library.drexel.edu/resources/urltester/urlmaker.php It collects contact info and the url into a small database so that we know who to contact if something goes haywire with a specific link (i.e., we get calls from students that it doesn't work). Generally, it works pretty well -- biggest problem, as you might expect, is letting faculty know it's there, and getting them to use it. Kathleen Web Editor/Education Librarian W.W. Hagerty Library Drexel University khturner@drexel.edu ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Keith D. Engwall Sent: Wed 8/9/2006 1:39 PM To: web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Thanks to all for the responses. I do not believe our campus currently supports VPN, but it's worth asking about. I also agree with Ross that it needs to be more user friendly, and I like the idea of spitting back a proxified URL (since Faculty will no doubt want to put these URLs in Blackboard and the like). Now that I feel more comfortable with the idea, I may dedicate more development cycles to it. In the meantime, for those who are interested, here is the script (all one line): Link Note that different types of bookmarklets may require processing on the string (str), such as escaping (which translates non-alpha-numeric characters into escape codes, such as %20 for spaces). In this case, because the string (str) is itself a URL, the string needs to *not* be escaped. You would put the above code on a web page with instructions telling the user to right-click the link and save it as a bookmark. I created my bookmarklet under the guidance of the following site: http://www.webreference.com/js/column35/index.html It has samples about six pages in. That is worth looking at for other bookmarklet applications, such as searching. You should be able to access our test bookmarklet on our dev site: http://libwebdev.catawba.edu/gadgets.php Cheers! Keith -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:37 AM To: web4lib Subject: RE: [Web4lib] Proxifier bookmarklet -- too risky? Does your campus support VPN? If your proxy server requires authentication (which I would hope it does, otherwise you're giving the internet access to your resources) AND you need to set up specific URLs to work with it AND you need to post a page with the properly munged links, it might be easier to simply ask that your faculty connect to a VPN. That way all of their links would work *almost* seamlessly. (I know with some VPN clients you can have it connect automatically if it detects it's trying to access a certain domain - thus if a faculty member tries to access "library.catawba.edu", the VPN could kick in and connect them automatically.) Just a thought. _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From sek2 at Lehigh.EDU Fri Aug 18 11:12:43 2006 From: sek2 at Lehigh.EDU (Stacey Kimmel) Date: Fri Aug 18 11:12:49 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs as information resources Message-ID: <44E5D8EB.8080204@lehigh.edu> Hi, This question was posted to libref w/o much result other than a show of interest in the topic. I'd like to hear from folks that are incorporating a discussion of "weblogs/blogs as info sources" in their user instruction sessions -- their value in research, caveats, etc. I'm thinking of the topical or filtering blog rather than the personal journals or commentary (except from authoritative sources), etc. More broadly, is anyone aware of journalism or business courses covering the phenomena of blogging/news blogs? Thanks! Stacey Kimmel-Smith Lehigh University From pfa at umich.edu Fri Aug 18 11:18:39 2006 From: pfa at umich.edu (Patricia F Anderson) Date: Fri Aug 18 11:18:44 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Blogs as information resources In-Reply-To: <44E5D8EB.8080204@lehigh.edu> References: <44E5D8EB.8080204@lehigh.edu> Message-ID: Curiously, I just blogged about this in my library blog! The blog entry was part of a series on Omics resources, mostly for researchers, and highlighted the top high tech blogs in that area as tools for keeping up to date. -- Patricia Anderson, pfa@umich.edu On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Stacey Kimmel wrote: > Hi, > > This question was posted to libref w/o much result other than a show of > interest in the topic. > > I'd like to hear from folks that are incorporating a discussion of > "weblogs/blogs as info sources" in their user instruction sessions -- their > value in research, caveats, etc. I'm thinking of the topical or filtering > blog rather than the personal journals or commentary (except from > authoritative sources), etc. More broadly, is anyone aware of journalism or > business courses covering the phenomena of blogging/news blogs? > > > Thanks! > > Stacey Kimmel-Smith > Lehigh University > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > > From eloehr at email.smith.edu Fri Aug 18 12:52:45 2006 From: eloehr at email.smith.edu (Eric Loehr) Date: Fri Aug 18 12:53:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a web page? Message-ID: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Hello all, Recently I came across something - - a reference to a web site, utility, or something - - I don't remember which - -, that would allow you to view not only the HTML source code on a web page, but also any css or javascript code that the page uses located in other files.. I can't find anything in my bookmarks or email where I would have saved it, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming - - does anyone know of a way to view javascript or css associated with a web page? thanks - - Eric Loehr Library Systems Coordinator Smith College Libraries (413) 585-2969 eloehr@smith.edu Smith College official correspondence From ann.perbohner at Dartmouth.EDU Fri Aug 18 13:07:47 2006 From: ann.perbohner at Dartmouth.EDU (Ann Perbohner) Date: Fri Aug 18 13:08:02 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] In-Reply-To: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> References: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Message-ID: I this what you are looking for? https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/ 60/ This Firefox add-on Adds a menu and a toolbar with various web developer tools and includes CSS and javascript viewing. Ann Perbohner Computer Science Librarian 6115 Fairchild Hall Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 03755-3571 Phone: (603) 646-3845 Fax: (603) 646-3681 ann.perbohner@dartmouth.edu http://www.dartmouth.edu/~krescook/ On Aug 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Eric Loehr wrote: Hello all, Recently I came across something - - a reference to a web site, utility, or something - - I don't remember which - -, that would allow you to view not only the HTML source code on a web page, but also any css or javascript code that the page uses located in other files.. I can't find anything in my bookmarks or email where I would have saved it, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming - - does anyone know of a way to view javascript or css associated with a web page? thanks - - Eric Loehr Library Systems Coordinator Smith College Libraries (413) 585-2969 eloehr@smith.edu Smith College official correspondence _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From eloehr at email.smith.edu Fri Aug 18 13:24:38 2006 From: eloehr at email.smith.edu (Eric Loehr) Date: Fri Aug 18 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a web page? In-Reply-To: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> References: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Message-ID: <44E5BF8E.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Hello again, I figured this would happen as soon as I sent the message... I found what I was looking for - - it's a Firefox extension called JSView, and can be found here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2076/ . Several folks also suggested the Firefox Web Developer toolbar,which does that and a lot more, and can be found here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/ Many thanks to all - - Eric Eric Loehr Library Systems Coordinator Smith College Libraries (413) 585-2969 eloehr@smith.edu Smith College official correspondence >>> "Eric Loehr" 8/18/2006 12:52 pm >>> Hello all, Recently I came across something - - a reference to a web site, utility, or something - - I don't remember which - -, that would allow you to view not only the HTML source code on a web page, but also any css or javascript code that the page uses located in other files.. I can't find anything in my bookmarks or email where I would have saved it, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming - - does anyone know of a way to view javascript or css associated with a web page? thanks - - Eric Loehr Library Systems Coordinator Smith College Libraries (413) 585-2969 eloehr@smith.edu Smith College official correspondence _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jaf30 at cornell.edu Fri Aug 18 13:26:42 2006 From: jaf30 at cornell.edu (John Fereira) Date: Fri Aug 18 13:27:08 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a web page? In-Reply-To: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> References: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Message-ID: <44E5F852.2070002@cornell.edu> Eric Loehr wrote: > Hello all, > > Recently I came across something - - a reference to a web site, > utility, or something - - I don't remember which - -, that would allow > you to view not only the HTML source code on a web page, but also any > css or javascript code that the page uses located in other files.. > > I can't find anything in my bookmarks or email where I would have saved > it, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming - - does anyone know of a way > to view javascript or css associated with a web page? > > > Firefox has extensions which not only let you view HTML source and CSS but lets you edit it to see how the page will look with the changes you make. It also has a couple of nice Javascript debuggers that show all of the javascript code. Unfortunately, it's IE that often has javascript issues so the firefox javascript debuggers don't help there. From degroffa at hclibrary.org Fri Aug 18 14:00:32 2006 From: degroffa at hclibrary.org (Amy De Groff) Date: Fri Aug 18 14:00:38 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications Message-ID: <44E60040.8090905@hclibrary.org> Good afternoon everyone I seek a linux based, ideally open source, text-to-speech solution for deployment in a medium sized public library system. Any suggestions? My goal is to create an environment where all my public access computers (which are running Ubuntu) offer some services for vision-challenged customers. Warmest wishes and thanks for your help! Amy -- Amy Begg De Groff Library Technology Services Department Head Howard County Library www.hclibrary.org voice: 410-313-7985 cell: 443-474-0741 fax: 410-313-7864 e-mail: degroffa@hclibrary.org IM: abdegroff From jgoodell at pulaskitech.edu Fri Aug 18 14:07:48 2006 From: jgoodell at pulaskitech.edu (Jon Goodell) Date: Fri Aug 18 14:07:53 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications In-Reply-To: <44E60040.8090905@hclibrary.org> Message-ID: If there are any free/open source Windows text to speech solutions out there please share those too. :) Thank you, Jon Jon Goodell Technology Services & Reference Librarian Ottenheimer Library - Pulaski Technical College North Little Rock, AR 501-812-2718 jgoodell@pulaskitech.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Amy De Groff Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:01 PM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications Good afternoon everyone I seek a linux based, ideally open source, text-to-speech solution for deployment in a medium sized public library system. Any suggestions? My goal is to create an environment where all my public access computers (which are running Ubuntu) offer some services for vision-challenged customers. Warmest wishes and thanks for your help! Amy -- Amy Begg De Groff Library Technology Services Department Head Howard County Library www.hclibrary.org voice: 410-313-7985 cell: 443-474-0741 fax: 410-313-7864 e-mail: degroffa@hclibrary.org IM: abdegroff _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From dkaplan at brandeis.edu Fri Aug 18 14:11:06 2006 From: dkaplan at brandeis.edu (Deborah Kaplan) Date: Fri Aug 18 14:11:13 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications In-Reply-To: <44E60040.8090905@hclibrary.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Amy De Groff wrote: > Good afternoon everyone > > I seek a linux based, ideally open source, text-to-speech solution for > deployment in a medium sized public library system. Any suggestions? Festival is probably already on your Ubuntu systems; give it a try, because you might like it. You can definitely run it at the command line if it's pre-installed, and I think it is on basic Ubuntu. Here are a few nice roundups of products. http://linux-sound.org/speech.html http://sig.levillage.org/index.php?p=551 Now open-source speech to text, that is a different -- and much more difficult -- kettle of fish. -Deborah -- Deborah Kaplan Digital Initiatives Librarian Brandeis University From kayiwa at uic.edu Fri Aug 18 14:13:52 2006 From: kayiwa at uic.edu (Francis Kayiwa) Date: Fri Aug 18 14:14:03 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications In-Reply-To: <44E60040.8090905@hclibrary.org> References: <44E60040.8090905@hclibrary.org> Message-ID: <13716E1E-91EC-4D9F-B391-9FABB2EA3876@uic.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Amy De Groff wrote: > Good afternoon everyone > > I seek a linux based, ideally open source, text-to-speech solution > for deployment in a medium sized public library system. Any > suggestions? > > My goal is to create an environment where all my public access > computers (which are running Ubuntu) offer some services for vision- > challenged customers. > > Warmest wishes and thanks for your help! Hmmm gnome-orca? http://www.ubuntu.com/access?highlight=%28text-to-speech%29 regards, ./fxk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE5gNhN+YGKSXdLhkRAmE/AJ9dGrlFn20KUtDZhmRzIdqXlaI5ywCaAluJ KEzpUfFqooWG0jcQ3BEYVtc= =xmei -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bishopk at rpi.edu Fri Aug 18 18:01:39 2006 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W Bishop) Date: Fri Aug 18 18:01:47 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a webpage? In-Reply-To: <44E5F852.2070002@cornell.edu> Message-ID: <075601c6c311$e1a6c060$af7c7180@DBBW1Y91> In tandem with the Firefox Web Developer's Toolbar, which is great for designers, for those working with scripts and advanced CSS I would also recommend Firebug: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1843/ -----from that page----- FireBug lets you explore the far corners of the DOM by keyboard or mouse. All of the tools you need to poke, prod, and monitor your JavaScript, CSS, HTML and Ajax are brought together into one seamless experience, including a debugger, an error console, command line, and a variety of fun inspectors. Visit the FireBug website for documentation, screen shots, and discussion forums: http://www.joehewitt.com/software/firebug/ A quick overview of FireBug's features: * JavaScript debugger for stepping through code one line at a time * Status bar icon shows you when there is an error in a web page * A console that shows errors from JavaScript and CSS * Log messages from JavaScript in your web page to the console (bye bye "alert debugging") * An JavaScript command line (no more "javascript:" in the URL bar) * Spy on XMLHttpRequest traffic * Inspect HTML source, computed style, events, layout and the DOM -----/----- -kb ______________ Kevin W Bishop > bishopk@rpi.edu Communication & Middleware Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > www.rpi.edu From mssubc at netscape.net Sat Aug 19 16:54:43 2006 From: mssubc at netscape.net (Susie Stephenson) Date: Sat Aug 19 16:54:51 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Text-to-speech applications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E77A93.3020005@netscape.net> You might take a look at NLM's DocMoprh http://docmorph.nlm.nih.gov/docmorph/docmorph.htm Cheers, Susie jgoodell@pulaskitech.edu wrote: >If there are any free/open source Windows text to speech solutions out >there please share those too. :) > >Thank you, >Jon > >Jon Goodell >Technology Services & Reference Librarian >Ottenheimer Library - Pulaski Technical College >North Little Rock, AR >501-812-2718 >jgoodell@pulaskitech.edu > > > > From bill at dueber.com Sat Aug 19 19:14:18 2006 From: bill at dueber.com (Bill Dueber) Date: Sat Aug 19 19:14:21 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a webpage? In-Reply-To: <075601c6c311$e1a6c060$af7c7180@DBBW1Y91> References: <44E5F852.2070002@cornell.edu> <075601c6c311$e1a6c060$af7c7180@DBBW1Y91> Message-ID: On 8/18/06, Kevin W Bishop wrote: > > > In tandem with the Firefox Web Developer's Toolbar, which is great for > designers, for those working with scripts and advanced CSS I would also > recommend Firebug: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1843/ And in addition to *that,* I find myself using "View Source Chart" pretty often. It shows the page as it is *right now*, as opposed to, say, 'VIew Source" which reloads the page from the server and then displays the source. The benefit is that if you have AJAX code mucking about with the structure/content of your document, you can actually see what it's doing. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/655/ -- Bill Dueber Web Services Programmer University of Michigan Library From spam1 at kuendig.net Sun Aug 20 13:53:57 2006 From: spam1 at kuendig.net (spam1@kuendig.net) Date: Sun Aug 20 13:54:06 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Firefox extension for Endnote or Refworks Message-ID: <000001c6c481$9d60a620$d821f260$@net> Folks, A couple of week ago I searched a firefox extension to integrate with Endnote. As I couldn't find any I created my first extension. I have attached it to this email. Endnote v0.2: Exports browser page to Endnote or compatible RIS citation management tool. Collects URL, hostname, last modification time and title page and exports to RIS file. That RIS file can be imported to Endnote, Refworks or similar tool. You can link in the operation system the RIS file with endnote and tell the browser to open RIS files automatically with endnote. So only one click is necessary to export the data. The extension has been posted to addons.mozilla.org but it takes up to a month to approve new extensions. Check back on there to get updates or ping me on extension@kuendig.net As this is my first extension and also my first java script experience it could have failures. Please let me know if you find such and I try to correct them. I have only tested this on FF 1.5 on Windows with Endnote 9. Cheers Marco From birkin_diana at brown.edu Sun Aug 20 15:09:59 2006 From: birkin_diana at brown.edu (Birkin James Diana) Date: Sun Aug 20 15:09:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] utility to see javascript, css associated with a webpage? In-Reply-To: <20060820160009.0D8C7189AE9@lists.webjunction.org> References: <20060820160009.0D8C7189AE9@lists.webjunction.org> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2006, Bill Dueber wrote: > ...I find myself using "View Source Chart" pretty often. It shows > the page as it is *right now*, as opposed to, say, 'VIew Source"... > The benefit is that if you have AJAX code mucking about with the > structure/content of your document, you can actually see what it's > doing... The Web Developer toolbar now allows one to see AJAX-generated code, too (version 1.0.2). See 'View Source -> View Generated Source'. --- Birkin James Diana Programmer, Web Services Brown University Library birkin_diana@brown.edu From anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no Sun Aug 20 15:35:09 2006 From: anders.ericson at norskbibliotekforening.no (Anders Ericson) Date: Sun Aug 20 15:35:20 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon Message-ID: <005401c6c48f$bf9fdbd0$1c02a8c0@anders30b85ebf> I'm looking for an e-book icon for use in an OPAC. Is there a standard icon or a de facto standard? Anders Ericson From CAGimon at mplib.org Sun Aug 20 22:21:41 2006 From: CAGimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Sun Aug 20 22:26:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon Message-ID: <7004EEA23644D84183003AE7B2A53EC3018763FE@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> If you're subscribing to NetLibrary e-books, NetLibrary has a logo/icon you can use. Otherwise, having a good graphic designer on staff comes in handy. Ours is another variation on "a guy sitting at a computer". --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library ________________________________ From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org on behalf of Anders Ericson Sent: Sun 8/20/2006 2:35 PM To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon I'm looking for an e-book icon for use in an OPAC. Is there a standard icon or a de facto standard? Anders Ericson _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From kstaley at lansing.lib.il.us Sun Aug 20 22:35:23 2006 From: kstaley at lansing.lib.il.us (Kelli Staley) Date: Sun Aug 20 22:35:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon References: <005401c6c48f$bf9fdbd0$1c02a8c0@anders30b85ebf> Message-ID: <00cc01c6c4ca$753986a0$6401a8c0@Kelli> Here's what we used when we had e-books. It was originally from Microsoft Clip Art, so feel free to use! http://www.lansing.lib.il.us/images/ebook1.jpg Kelli Staley Information Technology Services Lansing Public Library 2750 Indiana Avenue Lansing, IL 60438 (708) 474-2447, ext. 123 http://www.lansing.lib.il.us kstaley@lansing.lib.il.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Ericson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon > I'm looking for an e-book icon for use in an OPAC. Is there a standard > icon > or a de facto standard? > > Anders Ericson > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ > > From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 22:43:11 2006 From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson) Date: Sun Aug 20 22:42:52 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon In-Reply-To: <00cc01c6c4ca$753986a0$6401a8c0@Kelli> References: <005401c6c48f$bf9fdbd0$1c02a8c0@anders30b85ebf> <00cc01c6c4ca$753986a0$6401a8c0@Kelli> Message-ID: You might also find something appropriate here: http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ Cheers, Andrew On 20-Aug-06, at 10:35 PM, Kelli Staley wrote: > Here's what we used when we had e-books. It was originally from > Microsoft Clip Art, so feel free to use! > > http://www.lansing.lib.il.us/images/ebook1.jpg > > Kelli Staley > Information Technology Services > Lansing Public Library > 2750 Indiana Avenue > Lansing, IL 60438 > (708) 474-2447, ext. 123 > http://www.lansing.lib.il.us > kstaley@lansing.lib.il.us > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Ericson" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:35 PM > Subject: [Web4lib] E-book icon > > >> I'm looking for an e-book icon for use in an OPAC. Is there a >> standard icon >> or a de facto standard? >> >> Anders Ericson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web4lib mailing list >> Web4lib@webjunction.org >> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From bennetttm at appstate.edu Mon Aug 21 09:21:03 2006 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Mon Aug 21 09:24:41 2006 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BWeb4lib=5D=09utility_to_see?= javascript, css associated with a web page? In-Reply-To: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> References: <44E5B815.6000.00BE.0@email.smith.edu> Message-ID: <200608210921.03923.bennetttm@appstate.edu> While I am not an avid user of IE I did find an IE Developers ToolBar and can't remember if I got the resource from here or not so I'll post again if someone else has already. It will not help with JavaScript except to show where the tags are and disable "Script". There is an IE Developers ToolBar in Beta 2 Preview Update that will let you view and validate WEB pages. See: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038&displaylang=en Windows XP or higher IE 6 or higher -- Explore and modify the document object model (DOM) of a Web page. -- Locate and select specific elements on a Web page through a variety of techniques. -- Selectively disable Internet Explorer settings. -- View HTML object class names, ID's, and details such as link paths, tab index values, and access keys. -- Outline tables, table cells, images, or selected tags. -- Validate HTML, CSS, WAI, and RSS Web feed links. -- Display image dimensions, file sizes, path information, and alternate (ALT) text. -- Immediately resize the browser window to a new resolution. -- Selectively clear the browser cache and saved cookies. Choose from all objects or those associated with a given domain. -- Choose direct links to W3C specification references, the Internet Explorer team weblog (blog), and other resources. -- Display a fully featured design ruler to help accurately align and measure objects on your pages. You can view feedback on the tool at: http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerDevToolbar Thomas On Friday 18 August 2006 12:52, Eric Loehr wrote: > Hello all, > > Recently I came across something - - a reference to a web site, > utility, or something - - I don't remember which - -, that would allow > you to view not only the HTML source code on a web page, but also any > css or javascript code that the page uses located in other files.. > > I can't find anything in my bookmarks or email where I would have saved > it, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming - - does anyone know of a way > to view javascript or css associated with a web page? > > thanks - - > > > > Eric Loehr > Library Systems Coordinator > Smith College Libraries > (413) 585-2969 > eloehr@smith.edu > > Smith College official correspondence > _______________________________________________ > Web4lib mailing list > Web4lib@webjunction.org > http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 An important measure of effort in coding is the frequency with which you write something that doesn't actually match your mental representation of the problem, and have to backtrack on realizing that what you just typed won't actually tell the language to do what you're thinking. -Eric Raymond Library Systems Help Desk: http://linux.library.appstate.edu/help ==================================================================== From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Aug 21 10:37:31 2006 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Mon Aug 21 10:37:32 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Interesting Wikipedia article in Atlantic Monthly Message-ID: Poe, Marshall. The Hive. The Atlantic Monthly, 298(2). September 2006. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200609/wikipedia Bernie Sloan Senior Information Systems Consultant Consortium of Academic & Research Libraries in Illinois 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820-5752 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 11:36:57 2006 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt) Date: Mon Aug 21 11:37:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] are there other singing bilbiographies and other creative presentations of books on the Web by the users themselves? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060821153657.44798.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com> Has anybody encountered creative presentations (on the Web) by bibliophiles? I stumbled upon "Ode to Young Adult Novelists!" while looking at blogs by College Art students. http://lucylou.livejournal.com/ (see the August 16th entry) This is in fact a sung bibliography with the book covers presented as the graphic element. Is anybody aware of other such creative efforts of this kind on the Web by library users or other readers, in the graphic (Collages? Surrealist experiments? Traditional paintings or drawings?) as well as the musical fields. Alain Vaillancourt p4.vert.ukl.yahoo.com uncompressed/chunked Mon Aug 21 12:21:50 GMT 2006 __________________________________________________________ L?che-vitrine ou l?che-?cran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From mgfarkas at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 11:52:26 2006 From: mgfarkas at gmail.com (Meredith Farkas) Date: Mon Aug 21 11:52:36 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] CFP: Five Weeks to a Social Library Message-ID: CFP: Five Weeks to a Social Library Location: Online Dates: February 12 - March 17, 2006 CFP Deadline: September 22, 2006 We are pleased to present Five Weeks to a Social Library , the first free, grassroots, completely online course devoted to teaching librarians about social software and how to use it in their libraries. The course was developed to provide a free, comprehensive, and social online learning opportunity for librarians who do not otherwise have access to conferences or continuing education and who would benefit greatly from learning about social software. The course will take place in Drupal and on a MediaWiki installation, and will also involve a variety of other popular social software tools. The course will make use of synchronous components, with one or two weekly Webcasts and many IM chat sessions being made available to students each week. The course will culminate in each student developing a proposal for implementing a specific social software tool in their library. The course will take place between February 12 and March 17 and will be limited to forty participants. However, course content will be freely viewable to interested parties and all live Webcasts will be archived for later viewing. We are currently welcoming proposals for live presentations and course content on the following topics: - Blogs - RSS - Wikis - Social Networking Software and SecondLife - Flickr - Social Bookmarking Software - Selling Social Software @ Your Library (no live Webcasts on this topic) We want the presentations to be as practical and useful to as wide a library-related audience as possible. Preference will be given to presentations that 1) are very "nuts-and-bolts" or 2) describe a successful use of the technology that could be replicated in different types of libraries. We are looking for presentations in the following formats: - Webcast ? a one-hour live online Webcast that will be archived. - Screencast/Vodcast ? no more than 30 minutes (please note: most commercial screencasting software offer a 30-day free trial). - Podcast ? we welcome proposals for podcast presentations, podcast interviews with innovators in the field or podcast discussions between innovators in the field. - Text presentations ? we will accept a very limited number of text presentations, but we greatly prefer presentations that incorporate audio and video. In addition to developing a presentation, presenters must also make themselves available via AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) for questions from students for one-hour during the week their presentation is shown. All presentations will be made available under the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 License. Format of Proposal: 250 ? 500 words, written. Proposals are a way for the review team to assess your contribution quickly. Please do not submit full presentations. Proposals should include the following: - Full name of presenter - E-mail address of presenter - Web-site and/or blog URL of presenter - IM screenname(s) - Institutional affiliation - Brief biographical information (under 150 words) - Include same personal information as above for any additional presenters after the lead presenter (if applicable) - Presentation title - Format(s) you are willing to present in (if you are flexible about the format you are willing to present in, please note that) - Presentation Abstract (250 to 500 words) Proposals must be submitted by September 22, 2006 via e-mail to sociallibrary@gmail.com. Any questions about the CFP process can be addressed to the Planning Committee at sociallibrary@gmail.com. Proposal Review: Proposals will be reviewed by the planning committee. Planning Committee: - Michelle Boule - Karen Coombs - Amanda Etches-Johnson - Meredith Farkas - Ellyssa Kroski - Dorothea Salo Key Dates: - Deadline for Proposals: Friday, September 22, 2006 - Notification of Acceptance: October 1, 2006 -- Meredith Gorran Farkas Distance Learning Librarian Kreitzberg Library Norwich University Northfield, VT 05663 mfarkas@norwich.edu http://meredith.wolfwater.com/wordpress/ From spam1 at kuendig.net Mon Aug 21 14:41:28 2006 From: spam1 at kuendig.net (spam1@kuendig.net) Date: Mon Aug 21 14:41:33 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Firefox extension for Endnote or Refworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002801c6c551$6aacf320$4006d960$@net> Some people have noted that the .xpi was stripped. Here is a link to download it. http://www.f-forge.com?d=UX9a2jOGcoEZeuYDizLd Cheers Marco From es254 at cornell.edu Tue Aug 22 10:24:15 2006 From: es254 at cornell.edu (Zoe Stewart-Marshall) Date: Tue Aug 22 10:25:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] LITA Forum Early Bird Registration Deadline Extended Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060822101402.06742160@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> The registration deadline for receiving the early bird registration rate for the LITA National Forum has been extended to SEPTEMBER 1st, 2006. Expanded descriptions of the concurrent sessions have been posted at the Forum website: http://www.lita.org/forum06 A copy of the original announcement has been included below with more information about the Forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Apologies to those who receive this on multiple lists** The Library and Information Technology Association (LITA) is pleased to offer our annual National Forum-- Netville in Nashville: Web Services as Library Services October 26-29, 2006 Sheraton Nashville Downtown Hotel Register now to save $50 off the regular registration rate; this offer ends on September 1st! http://www.lita.org/forum06 Two full day preconferences provide opportunities for hand-on experiences and in-depth discussions: * Open Source Software Installfest * Developing Best Project Management Practices for IT Projects Keynote sessions enrich each day's programming: * Stephen Abram, Vice President - Innovation, Sirsi/Dynix , Web 2.0 and the Library 2.0 in Our Future; * Thom Gillespie, Director of the MIME program at the Indiana University , Libraries and Public Internet Entertainment; * Alan Stoker, Tracy Landino, and Steve Maer of the Country Music Hall of Fame, Save America's Treasures: Preservation of Rare Acetate and Vinyl Recording Transcriptions. The LITA National Forum provides a wealth of opportunities for growth and development. In addition to the above programs, there are 34 concurrent sessions and 10 poster sessions planned where you're sure to find practical advice, new ideas, and tested solutions to technological issues you encounter every day. Networking opportunities throughout the Forum will provide ample opportunity for interaction with colleagues. All Forum events will take place in the Sheraton Nashville Downtown Hotel, in the heart of Nashville. A discount rate of $109 per night can be reserved using the links on the Forum website, http://www.lita.org/forum06 . Register now to get the best rate! *************************************************************** Zoe Stewart-Marshall Database Enrichment Librarian Cornell University Libraries 107E Olin Library Ithaca, NY 14853 Phone (607) 255-5757 Fax (607) 255-6110 From nina.mchale at cudenver.edu Tue Aug 22 11:23:56 2006 From: nina.mchale at cudenver.edu (McHale, Nina) Date: Tue Aug 22 11:24:01 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Library-specific spam? Message-ID: <38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0452AE96@kelso.cudenver.edu> Hi, all, Is anyone else getting an email supposedly from a Russian law firm on behalf of a woman named Katarina Pavlova about a donation of books and art? It has many of the earmarkings of spam--it's unsolicited, why the heck would they pick us to take this stuff, etc.--but it seemed odd in that it was library-specific. Just curious, Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center-Downtown Campus, Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Denver 1100 Lawrence Street Denver, Colorado 80204 303-556-4729 nina.mchale@cudenver.edu From cbailey at uh.edu Tue Aug 22 11:37:51 2006 From: cbailey at uh.edu (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Tue Aug 22 11:37:58 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] ARL Institutional Repositories SPEC Kit Message-ID: <44EB24CF.3090702@uh.edu> ARL Institutional Repositories SPEC Kit The Institutional Repositories SPEC Kit is now available [1] from the Association of Research Libraries (ARL [2]). This document presents the results of a thirty-eight-question survey of 123 ARL members in early 2006 about their institutional repositories practices and plans. The survey response rate was 71% (87 out of 123 ARL members responded). The front matter and nine-page Executive Summary [3] are freely available. The document also presents detailed question-by-question results, a list of respondent institutions, representative documents from institutions, and a bibliography. It is 176 pages long. Here is the bibliographic information: University of Houston Libraries Institutional Repository Task Force. Institutional Repositories. SPEC Kit 292. Washington, DC: Association of Research Libraries, 2006. ISBN: 1-59407-708-8. The members of the University of Houston Libraries [4] Institutional Repository Task Force who authored the document were Charles W. Bailey, Jr.; Karen Coombs; Jill Emery (now at UT Austin); Anne Mitchell; Chris Morris; Spencer Simons; and Robert Wright. Here are some quick survey results: - Thirty-seven ARL institutions (43% of respondents) had an operational IR (we called these respondents implementers), 31 (35%) were planning one by 2007, and 19 (22%) had no IR plans. - Looked at from the perspective of all 123 ARL members, 30% had an operational IR and, by 2007, that figure may reach 55%. - The mean cost of IR implementation was $182,550. - The mean annual IR operation cost was $113,543. - Most implementers did not have a dedicated budget for either start-up costs (56%) or ongoing operations (52%). - The vast majority of implementers identified first-level IR support units that had a library reporting line vs. one that had a campus IT or other campus unit reporting line. - DSpace [5] was by far the most commonly used system: 20 implementers used it exclusively and 3 used it in combination with other systems. - Proquest DigitalCommons [6] (or the Bepress software it is based on) was the second choice of implementers: 7 implementers used this system. - While 28% of implementers have made no IR software modifications to enhance its functionality, 22% have made frequent changes to do so and 17% have made major modifications to the software. - Only 41% of implementers had no review of deposited documents. While review by designated departmental or unit officials was the most common method (35%), IR staff reviewed documents 21% of the time. - In a check all that apply question, 60% of implementers said that IR staff entered simple metadata for authorized users and 57% said that they enhanced such data. Thirty-one percent said that they cataloged IR materials completely using local standards. - In another check all that apply question, implementers clearly indicated that IR and library staff use a variety of strategies to recruit content: 83% made presentations to faculty and others, 78% identified and encouraged likely depositors, 78% had library subject specialists act as advocates, 64% offered to deposit materials for authors, and 50% offered to digitize materials and deposit them. - The most common digital preservation arrangement for implementers (47%) was to accept any file type, but only preserve specified file types using data migration and other techniques. The next most common arrangement (26%) was to accept and preserve any file type. - The mean number of digital objects in implementers' IRs was 3,844. [1] http://www.arl.org/pubscat/pr/2006/spec292.html [2] http://www.arl.org/ [3] http://www.arl.org/spec/SPEC292web.pdf [4] http://info.lib.uh.edu/index.html [5] http://dspace.org/ [6] http://www.umi.com/products_umi/digitalcommons/ -- Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Digital Library Planning and Development, University of Houston Libraries E-Mail: cbailey@digital-scholarship.com Publications: http://www.digital-scholarship.com/ (Provides access to DigitalKoans, Open Access Bibliography, Open Access Webliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog, and other publications.) From john.chadwick at state.nm.us Tue Aug 22 12:06:32 2006 From: john.chadwick at state.nm.us (Chadwick, John, DCA) Date: Tue Aug 22 12:10:37 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] Library-specific spam? Message-ID: <78AC9A21A019B14F8C7C6A3EE74B302102B7755F@CEXMB1.nmes.lcl> I am getting about 3 a day sent to our Webmaster account. I consider it spam and file it in the appropriate place. John +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ John Chadwick, Ed.D. Information Technology Manager New Mexico State Library 1209 Camino Carlos Rey Santa Fe, NM 87507 Phone: 505-476-9740 Fax: 505-476-9761 john.chadwick@state.nm.us http://www.stlib.state.nm.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of McHale, Nina Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:24 AM To: Web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [Web4lib] Library-specific spam? Hi, all, Is anyone else getting an email supposedly from a Russian law firm on behalf of a woman named Katarina Pavlova about a donation of books and art? It has many of the earmarkings of spam--it's unsolicited, why the heck would they pick us to take this stuff, etc.--but it seemed odd in that it was library-specific. Just curious, Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Web Services Librarian Auraria Library Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center-Downtown Campus, Metropolitan State College and the Community College of Denver 1100 Lawrence Street Denver, Colorado 80204 303-556-4729 nina.mchale@cudenver.edu _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -- This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System. From wprice at utpa.edu Tue Aug 22 12:36:00 2006 From: wprice at utpa.edu (Ward Price) Date: Tue Aug 22 12:36:25 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] 800x600 Browser Resolution Message-ID: Thanks to all who helped me with my question on standards for web pages. Maybe one day I'll get this right. Ward Price ________________________________ Ward Price wrote: Perhaps I've missed it in discussions on browsers and white space and such, but are there standards or guidelines out there somewhere for university library websites? I mean standards for content (subject guides, personal pages, hours, tutorials, forms, ask-a-librarian, etc.), organization (Research, Library Services, Library Information, or whatever), navigation elements (drop downs/pulldowns vs. mouseovers/fly outs) and positioning (top vs side), other items (videos, flash, podcast, etc.), design elements like those discussed recently, and all the other stuff that goes into websites. I'm interested in something like ACRL standards, which I cannot find, or some other recognized body like that. I've found guidelines and policies for individual institutions, and of course things like Jakob Nielsen's stuff and the Library Success Best practices Wiki, and lots of information on usability standards for the disabled, not to mention all the information available on this list. But are there "real guidelines from recognized authorities" that we should be following, or is it all matter of personal preference, six of one and half a dozen of another, and whatever works best for me today? Ward Price Web Librarian The University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, TX 78541 wprice@utpa.edu (956) 316-7046 _______________________________________________ Web4lib mailing list Web4lib@webjunction.org http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Tue Aug 22 12:03:13 2006 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Tue Aug 22 14:36:19 2006 Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to a web page Message-ID: Hi, I have a list which forms part of a description. The description is in a field in an Access database. This field is outputted to a number of web pages; the database serves as a back end to a number of web pages. In one of the fields, I now need to add a list consisting of two columns. I will have to store the HTML tags with the list in the Access field. However, I don't want to use the div, or table element because frequently, the field is output to a web page where it is enclosed by span tags. Block elements are not allowed within inline elements such as span. My plan is to store it in Access along with the 
 tag and, thus,
output it using the 
 tag having each column separated by a tab. The
problem with this is that the data in column one is sometimes quite long
forcing the data in column two further right like so.


Inns or Hotels	1.
Public Houses	31.
Mail Coach Offices	2.
Dispensary	1. 
Trades - townland Callings -	
Surgeons	2.
Apothecaries	2.
Wine and Spirit Merchants	3.
Grocers and Wine Merchants	3.
Spirit Merchants, Grocers and Ironmongers	4.
Tobacco Manufacturers	1.



I wish to line up the data in column two. Is there any character other
than a tab that I can use? 

Is using the pre element within an inline element allowed?

Any ideas would be welcome.

Regards
John

John Fitzgibbon

p: 00 353 91 562471
f: 00 353 91 565039
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From andrew.hankinson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 14:54:17 2006
From: andrew.hankinson at gmail.com (Andrew Hankinson)
Date: Tue Aug 22 14:54:23 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to a
	web page
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <97d9c0c70608221154l663ada42xd4223efc2aa91ced@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick idea off the top of my head, but you could use  tags,
styled to display as block elements:

Public Houses31

.title {
   clear: both; /* so that it doesn't fall in with a previous float */
   float: left; /* so that it goes hard left against its container item */
   display: block; /*so you can control width */
   width: xxx;
   text-align: left;
}

.number {
  display: block;
  width: xxx;
  text-align: center;
  float: left;  /* So that it floats against the proper column */
}

I haven't tried this, so no guarantees. There's also "display: table" and
other CSS oddities that might help you out - someone else on the list might
have another idea.

Andrew

On 8/22/06, John Fitzgibbon  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a list which forms part of a description. The description is in a
> field in an Access database. This field is outputted to a number of web
> pages; the database serves as a back end to a number of web pages.
>
> In one of the fields, I now need to add a list consisting of two
> columns. I will have to store the HTML tags with the list in the Access
> field. However, I don't want to use the div, or table element because
> frequently, the field is output to a web page where it is enclosed by
> span tags. Block elements are not allowed within inline elements such as
> span.
>
> My plan is to store it in Access along with the 
 tag and, thus,
> output it using the 
 tag having each column separated by a tab. The
> problem with this is that the data in column one is sometimes quite long
> forcing the data in column two further right like so.
>
> 
> Inns or Hotels  1.
> Public Houses   31.
> Mail Coach Offices      2.
> Dispensary      1.
> Trades - townland Callings -
> Surgeons        2.
> Apothecaries    2.
> Wine and Spirit Merchants       3.
> Grocers and Wine Merchants      3.
> Spirit Merchants, Grocers and Ironmongers       4.
> Tobacco Manufacturers   1.
> 

>
> I wish to line up the data in column two. Is there any character other
> than a tab that I can use?
>
> Is using the pre element within an inline element allowed?
>
> Any ideas would be welcome.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> John Fitzgibbon
>
> p: 00 353 91 562471
> f: 00 353 91 565039
> w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie
>
> *******************************************************************
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> Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n
> a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id.
> M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad,
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From tysontate at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 14:55:27 2006
From: tysontate at gmail.com (Tyson Tate)
Date: Tue Aug 22 14:55:34 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to a
	web page
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6d12b83c0608221155s4b32441eq25cc55a51f607626@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/22/06, John Fitzgibbon  wrote:

> In one of the fields, I now need to add a list consisting of two
> columns. I will have to store the HTML tags with the list in the Access
> field. However, I don't want to use the div, or table element because
> frequently, the field is output to a web page where it is enclosed by
> span tags. Block elements are not allowed within inline elements such as
> span.

So you want a block of text inside of a span element? If you're trying
to do this, something is probably wrong with your HTML structure.
Think about it semantically - are you sure this is the only way to do
it? Becuase the semantic way to display a table of data is to use a
 (of course). Doing so will save you lots of headaches with
what I'm going to propose below.

> My plan is to store it in Access along with the 
 tag and, thus,
> output it using the 
 tag having each column separated by a tab. The
> problem with this is that the data in column one is sometimes quite long
> forcing the data in column two further right like so.
>
> 
> Inns or Hotels  1.
> Public Houses   31.
> Mail Coach Offices      2.
> Dispensary      1.
> Trades - townland Callings -
> Surgeons        2.
> Apothecaries    2.
> Wine and Spirit Merchants       3.
> Grocers and Wine Merchants      3.
> Spirit Merchants, Grocers and Ironmongers       4.
> Tobacco Manufacturers   1.
> 


You'll have to write a server-side script that runs through the items
and determines the longest one (in this case, "Spirit Merchants,
Grocers and Ironmongers"). Take the length of that, add a buffer (say,
four spaces), and then run through and output each line like so:

(python-ish pseudocode)

for line in lines:
   print line.title + (" " * (len(longestline) - len(line.title) +
buffer) + line.number + "\n"

Catch the idea?

Hope this helps,
Tyson
From tdowling at ohiolink.edu  Tue Aug 22 14:56:16 2006
From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling)
Date: Tue Aug 22 14:57:17 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to
	a web	page
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <44EB5350.7050702@ohiolink.edu>


On 8/22/2006 12:03 PM, John Fitzgibbon wrote:

> 
> I wish to line up the data in column two. Is there any character other
> than a tab that I can use? 

Within 
, you'd really have to use spaces.  There's no guarantee
that all browsers have tab stops the same number of spaces apart.

> 
> Is using the pre element within an inline element allowed?
> 

No (see ), so
browser behavior is undefined.  It sounds like you need to rework this
from the ground up so that you can do real markup with your database output.


-- 
Thomas Dowling
tdowling@ohiolink.edu
From araby at unr.edu  Tue Aug 22 15:26:16 2006
From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Y Greene)
Date: Tue Aug 22 15:27:00 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to a
	webpage
Message-ID: <7DFCFF4D7D728742B3EC03BB1216C48A02ABF0EC@UNRX.unr.edu>

Since you have tabular data, using a table to display it makes sense. You could store the html in your query's fields rather than in the table's data columns. For example, if you need to write an html table row for each row of data, create fields in the query to output the html. Enter a name for the field expression followed by a colon in the query designer when you don't use a real field in the db:

begrow:"
"

You can use the same technique to add redundant link information, etc. to Access queries. The downside is sending more info across the network. Generally, it's better to script the html into the web page, but if you don't have a choice, this method should work.

Best,
Araby

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib-
> bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:03 AM
> To: web4lib@webjunction.org
> Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database to a
> webpage
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a list which forms part of a description. The description is in a
> field in an Access database. This field is outputted to a number of web
> pages; the database serves as a back end to a number of web pages.
> 
> In one of the fields, I now need to add a list consisting of two
> columns. I will have to store the HTML tags with the list in the Access
> field. However, I don't want to use the div, or table element because
> frequently, the field is output to a web page where it is enclosed by
> span tags. Block elements are not allowed within inline elements such as
> span.
> 
> My plan is to store it in Access along with the 
 tag and, thus,
> output it using the 
 tag having each column separated by a tab. The
> problem with this is that the data in column one is sometimes quite long
> forcing the data in column two further right like so.
> 
> 
> Inns or Hotels	1.
> Public Houses	31.
> Mail Coach Offices	2.
> Dispensary	1.
> Trades - townland Callings -
> Surgeons	2.
> Apothecaries	2.
> Wine and Spirit Merchants	3.
> Grocers and Wine Merchants	3.
> Spirit Merchants, Grocers and Ironmongers	4.
> Tobacco Manufacturers	1.
> 

> 
> I wish to line up the data in column two. Is there any character other
> than a tab that I can use?
> 
> Is using the pre element within an inline element allowed?
> 
> Any ideas would be welcome.
> 
> Regards
> John
> 
> John Fitzgibbon
> 
> p: 00 353 91 562471
> f: 00 353 91 565039
> w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie
> 
> *******************************************************************
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> Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n
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From dfulton at mailbox.lpl.org  Tue Aug 22 15:27:39 2006
From: dfulton at mailbox.lpl.org (David Fulton)
Date: Tue Aug 22 15:27:47 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Re: Library-specific spam?
In-Reply-To: <20060822160009.981AC189AE9@lists.webjunction.org>
References: <20060822160009.981AC189AE9@lists.webjunction.org>
Message-ID: 

Yes, we've been getting them, too. So far we've gotten two messages 
from the same "law firm".

David Fulton
Liverpool Public Library
310 Tulip Street
Liverpool, NY 13088-4997
315.457.0310
dfulton@mailbox.lpl.org

>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:23:56 -0600
>From: "McHale, Nina" 
>Subject: [Web4lib] Library-specific spam?
>To: 
>Message-ID:
>	<38B838B2210D8749B82E5914B5E3FA5E0452AE96@kelso.cudenver.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi, all,
>
>Is anyone else getting an email supposedly from a Russian law firm on
>behalf of a woman named Katarina Pavlova about a donation of books and
>art? It has many of the earmarkings of spam--it's unsolicited, why the
>heck would they pick us to take this stuff, etc.--but it seemed odd in
>that it was library-specific.
>
>Just curious,
>
>Nina
>
>Nina McHale, MA/MSLS
>Web Services Librarian
>Auraria Library
>
>Serving the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences
>Center-Downtown Campus,
>Metropolitan State College
>and the Community College of Denver
>
>1100 Lawrence Street
>Denver, Colorado 80204
>303-556-4729
>
>nina.mchale@cudenver.edu
>

-- 
From dkane at wit.ie  Tue Aug 22 15:28:10 2006
From: dkane at wit.ie (David Kane)
Date: Tue Aug 22 15:30:21 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] outputting a pre formatted list from a database
	to a web page
Message-ID: <44EB68DA02000078000134B5@gwstaff.wit.ie>

Hi John,

Give us more of a clear idea of the technologies/software involved,
because the optimal solution for your problem will differ, depending on
what limitations you are bound by.

If you could attach any code, that would be very helpful.





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From michele.haytko at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 16:34:13 2006
From: michele.haytko at gmail.com (Michele Haytko)
Date: Tue Aug 22 16:34:19 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library
Message-ID: <15e475fa0608221334l1c7c03e6i8348221aa7d368ea@mail.gmail.com>

I'm posting this on behalf of a coworker.  Please respond and I will
forward appropriately.

Many thanks,
Michele

-- 
**************)0(**************
Mrs. C. Michele Haytko
Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library
MC-NPL Computer Lab
1001 Powell Street
Norristown, PA 19401
610-278-5100 Ext. 141

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me?.

-----

I'm asking a co-worker to post this for me surrogately, as I am in
need of some opinions on a library matter, and do not belong to any
newsgroups.

My supervisor is in charge of the "teen corner," and it probably comes
as little surprise to most of you that teens are the hardest
demographic to get into the library for any practical purposes. She
was recently promised a grant for helping the teens, and after a brief
survey, my boss has decided that the best way to get teens into the
lib is to lure them with the potential of video game access in the
library. Realistically, she should be the one doing this research,
however she knows literally nothing about video games, while I know a
good deal, so after supplying my own opinion, she remained convinced
that some other (public) libraries have some kind of video game access
and asked me to see how others treat the matter.

So my primary question is: Do any of you have any kind of video game
displays or computer game access (beyond Flash games on the Internet
or kiddie games in your children's dept) in your computer lab? Of
course, I need more than just a "yes" for anyone who can answer in the
affirmative.


Her initial question was to ask if it was feasible to buy games to
install on the computers in the lab. We have 16 public access
machines, and to purchase even a normally-$20 game would cost the
library over 300 dollars. Further, it would cause our
sometimes-overcrowded lab to be flooded with people playing games. I
managed to discourage this line of reasoning, as it would never work
for us.

She then followed up by asking me if she were to acquire two computers
to place in the teen zone, could she put games on those? I see all
kinds of issues with this, since it would be independent of our
computer lab and probably out of immediate visibility of any of the
staff's normal positions.

First of all, if these machines had gaming potential, they would turn
into gaming machines. There's little doubt of this in my mind. So if
we're going to have dedicated gaming boxes, is there much incentive
for having a computer rather than just a cheap TV + Playstation or
Xbox?

Second, how do we decide which games to have? We can't purchase
everything, and I know well that it's hard to please gamers --
especially a random herd with different interests and motivation
levels.

Third, equipment will ultimately become damaged. Especially with less
mature folks (ab)using the machines, and even a Playstation controller
or a new mouse is something that we don't want to have to replace on a
routine basis.

Fourth, and probably most importantly, how do we administer this? Our
lab checks people in to the limited machines we have, with the
guarantee that a user will get at least 30 minutes, and then they will
be booted on a first-in-first-out basis if we become full and need a
machine for a newcomer. However, with only two machines and, truancy
aside, the machines lying fallow until school is out, there will be a
rush when the school bus comes around. 30 minutes is not reasonable
(too long) to actually effectively circulate everyone through the
machines without 3+ hour waits, but 30 minutes is not reasonable (too
short) for playing most non-casual games...and someone looking for
casual games can just hop onto Yahoo in the lab. Not to mention, we
don't have space to put this in immediate view of staff with our
current layout, so eventually some disputes are going to break out.

Fifth, sound: A library is stereotypically a bastion of solitude and
tranquility, however video games often necessitate being able to hear
them. Headphones are theoretical, but as a gamer, I would balk at the
notion of being forced to wear headphones while playing many games.
Further, bystanders that are content to watch while waiting for their
turn would want to be able to hear as well. We don't have the means
for constructing a new soundproof room, so how to handle the noise
pollution?


These are just some of the issues I foresee from the potential of
setting up "gaming" machines in the library. I applaud my supervisor's
efforts in looking for a solution to the lack of teen library usage,
but I am skeptical of finding a feasible method for implementing this
idea. Is there anyone out there that actually handles these ideas,
effectively or not? Does it even encourage them to spend time using
the other library services, or are we just creating a free play
arcade?

-Stephen Kittel; Norristown Public Library, Montgomery County, PA
From bgsloan2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 17:04:01 2006
From: bgsloan2 at yahoo.com (B.G. Sloan)
Date: Tue Aug 22 17:04:05 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] In defense of Google Book Search
Message-ID: <20060822210401.25060.qmail@web57109.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Ekman, Richard. The Books Google Could Open. Washington Post, page A15, August 22, 2006. (Ekman is president of the Council of Independent Colleges).
  http://tinyurl.com/lzcvy 
   
  An excerpt:
   
  "The nation's colleges and universities should support Google's controversial project to digitize great libraries and offer books online. It has the potential to do a lot of good for higher education in this country."
   
  Bernie Sloan

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From pfa at umich.edu  Tue Aug 22 20:16:03 2006
From: pfa at umich.edu (Patricia F Anderson)
Date: Tue Aug 22 20:16:05 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library
In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0608221334l1c7c03e6i8348221aa7d368ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15e475fa0608221334l1c7c03e6i8348221aa7d368ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Absolutely, our local public library does this. I don't work there, so all 
I can do is point you in the right direction, however I know my son and 
his friends have attended gaming competitions at the library.



Click on Events, and then click on "Events by Subject: Videogame Events".

This has been a huge success here. It took three tries for my son to be 
able to register, since registration fills up so quickly. Competition is 
fierce, and competitors often have to wait a long time for their turn to 
compete. My son is also a big fan of the Mange / Anime events, but those 
also fill up so quickly we finally gave up. For the gaming events, I was 
surprised that more parents didn't stick around, but it is mostly kids and 
adults are definitely the odd person out.

Have fun!

  -- Patricia Anderson, pfa@umich.edu

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Michele Haytko wrote:

> I'm asking a co-worker to post this for me surrogately, as I am in
> need of some opinions on a library matter, and do not belong to any
> newsgroups.
>
> My supervisor is in charge of the "teen corner," and it probably comes
> as little surprise to most of you that teens are the hardest
> demographic to get into the library for any practical purposes. She
> was recently promised a grant for helping the teens, and after a brief
> survey, my boss has decided that the best way to get teens into the
> lib is to lure them with the potential of video game access in the
> library. Realistically, she should be the one doing this research,
> however she knows literally nothing about video games, while I know a
> good deal, so after supplying my own opinion, she remained convinced
> that some other (public) libraries have some kind of video game access
> and asked me to see how others treat the matter.
[snip]
From kstaley at lansing.lib.il.us  Tue Aug 22 20:43:28 2006
From: kstaley at lansing.lib.il.us (Kelli Staley)
Date: Tue Aug 22 20:43:34 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Re: [Publib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library
References: <15e475fa0608221334l1c7c03e6i8348221aa7d368ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017c01c6c64d$26f4d9c0$6401a8c0@Kelli>

Have her check out the libsuccess wiki gaming page
http://www.libsuccess.org/index.php?title=Gaming
Includes contacts for some specific people, including Eli from AADL

Kelli Staley
Information Technology Services
Lansing Public Library
2750 Indiana Avenue
Lansing, IL 60438
(708) 474-2447, ext. 123
http://www.lansing.lib.il.us
kstaley@lansing.lib.il.us
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michele Haytko" 
To: "publib" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: [Publib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library


I'm posting this on behalf of a coworker.  Please respond and I will
forward appropriately.

Many thanks,
Michele

-- 
**************)0(**************
Mrs. C. Michele Haytko
Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library
MC-NPL Computer Lab
1001 Powell Street
Norristown, PA 19401
610-278-5100 Ext. 141

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me?.

-----

I'm asking a co-worker to post this for me surrogately, as I am in
need of some opinions on a library matter, and do not belong to any
newsgroups.

My supervisor is in charge of the "teen corner," and it probably comes
as little surprise to most of you that teens are the hardest
demographic to get into the library for any practical purposes. She
was recently promised a grant for helping the teens, and after a brief
survey, my boss has decided that the best way to get teens into the
lib is to lure them with the potential of video game access in the
library. Realistically, she should be the one doing this research,
however she knows literally nothing about video games, while I know a
good deal, so after supplying my own opinion, she remained convinced
that some other (public) libraries have some kind of video game access
and asked me to see how others treat the matter.

So my primary question is: Do any of you have any kind of video game
displays or computer game access (beyond Flash games on the Internet
or kiddie games in your children's dept) in your computer lab? Of
course, I need more than just a "yes" for anyone who can answer in the
affirmative.


Her initial question was to ask if it was feasible to buy games to
install on the computers in the lab. We have 16 public access
machines, and to purchase even a normally-$20 game would cost the
library over 300 dollars. Further, it would cause our
sometimes-overcrowded lab to be flooded with people playing games. I
managed to discourage this line of reasoning, as it would never work
for us.

She then followed up by asking me if she were to acquire two computers
to place in the teen zone, could she put games on those? I see all
kinds of issues with this, since it would be independent of our
computer lab and probably out of immediate visibility of any of the
staff's normal positions.

First of all, if these machines had gaming potential, they would turn
into gaming machines. There's little doubt of this in my mind. So if
we're going to have dedicated gaming boxes, is there much incentive
for having a computer rather than just a cheap TV + Playstation or
Xbox?

Second, how do we decide which games to have? We can't purchase
everything, and I know well that it's hard to please gamers --
especially a random herd with different interests and motivation
levels.

Third, equipment will ultimately become damaged. Especially with less
mature folks (ab)using the machines, and even a Playstation controller
or a new mouse is something that we don't want to have to replace on a
routine basis.

Fourth, and probably most importantly, how do we administer this? Our
lab checks people in to the limited machines we have, with the
guarantee that a user will get at least 30 minutes, and then they will
be booted on a first-in-first-out basis if we become full and need a
machine for a newcomer. However, with only two machines and, truancy
aside, the machines lying fallow until school is out, there will be a
rush when the school bus comes around. 30 minutes is not reasonable
(too long) to actually effectively circulate everyone through the
machines without 3+ hour waits, but 30 minutes is not reasonable (too
short) for playing most non-casual games...and someone looking for
casual games can just hop onto Yahoo in the lab. Not to mention, we
don't have space to put this in immediate view of staff with our
current layout, so eventually some disputes are going to break out.

Fifth, sound: A library is stereotypically a bastion of solitude and
tranquility, however video games often necessitate being able to hear
them. Headphones are theoretical, but as a gamer, I would balk at the
notion of being forced to wear headphones while playing many games.
Further, bystanders that are content to watch while waiting for their
turn would want to be able to hear as well. We don't have the means
for constructing a new soundproof room, so how to handle the noise
pollution?


These are just some of the issues I foresee from the potential of
setting up "gaming" machines in the library. I applaud my supervisor's
efforts in looking for a solution to the lack of teen library usage,
but I am skeptical of finding a feasible method for implementing this
idea. Is there anyone out there that actually handles these ideas,
effectively or not? Does it even encourage them to spend time using
the other library services, or are we just creating a free play
arcade?

-Stephen Kittel; Norristown Public Library, Montgomery County, PA
_______________________________________________
Publib mailing list
Publib@webjunction.org
http://lists.webjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/publib



From cburns at nlc.state.ne.us  Wed Aug 23 09:20:35 2006
From: cburns at nlc.state.ne.us (Christa Burns)
Date: Wed Aug 23 09:20:39 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library
In-Reply-To: <15e475fa0608221334l1c7c03e6i8348221aa7d368ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E73B2127956C64AA807AF81262B16ECE88F6A@nlc1.nlc.state.ne.us>

The WebJunction Library of the Month for August is Carvers Bay Branch
Library in South Carolina.  The are using gaming to help reduce
illiteracy:

http://webjunction.org/do/DisplayContent?id=13796 

Christa
 
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402-471-3107
OCLC Member Services Coordinator       In-state only: 800-307-2665
NEBASE                                                  Fax:
402-471-2083
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cburns@nlc.state.ne.us
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-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michele Haytko
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:34 PM
To: publib; Web4lib@webjunction.org
Subject: [Web4lib] Video Game Set-ups in the Library

I'm posting this on behalf of a coworker.  Please respond and I will
forward appropriately.

Many thanks,
Michele

--
**************)0(**************
Mrs. C. Michele Haytko
Montgomery County-Norristown Public Library MC-NPL Computer Lab
1001 Powell Street
Norristown, PA 19401
610-278-5100 Ext. 141

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me....

-----

I'm asking a co-worker to post this for me surrogately, as I am in need
of some opinions on a library matter, and do not belong to any
newsgroups.

My supervisor is in charge of the "teen corner," and it probably comes
as little surprise to most of you that teens are the hardest demographic
to get into the library for any practical purposes. She was recently
promised a grant for helping the teens, and after a brief survey, my
boss has decided that the best way to get teens into the lib is to lure
them with the potential of video game access in the library.
Realistically, she should be the one doing this research, however she
knows literally nothing about video games, while I know a good deal, so
after supplying my own opinion, she remained convinced that some other
(public) libraries have some kind of video game access and asked me to
see how others treat the matter.

So my primary question is: Do any of you have any kind of video game
displays or computer game access (beyond Flash games on the Internet or
kiddie games in your children's dept) in your computer lab? Of course, I
need more than just a "yes" for anyone who can answer in the
affirmative.


Her initial question was to ask if it was feasible to buy games to
install on the computers in the lab. We have 16 public access machines,
and to purchase even a normally-$20 game would cost the library over 300
dollars. Further, it would cause our sometimes-overcrowded lab to be
flooded with people playing games. I managed to discourage this line of
reasoning, as it would never work for us.

She then followed up by asking me if she were to acquire two computers
to place in the teen zone, could she put games on those? I see all kinds
of issues with this, since it would be independent of our computer lab
and probably out of immediate visibility of any of the staff's normal
positions.

First of all, if these machines had gaming potential, they would turn
into gaming machines. There's little doubt of this in my mind. So if
we're going to have dedicated gaming boxes, is there much incentive for
having a computer rather than just a cheap TV + Playstation or Xbox?

Second, how do we decide which games to have? We can't purchase
everything, and I know well that it's hard to please gamers --
especially a random herd with different interests and motivation levels.

Third, equipment will ultimately become damaged. Especially with less
mature folks (ab)using the machines, and even a Playstation controller
or a new mouse is something that we don't want to have to replace on a
routine basis.

Fourth, and probably most importantly, how do we administer this? Our
lab checks people in to the limited machines we have, with the guarantee
that a user will get at least 30 minutes, and then they will be booted
on a first-in-first-out basis if we become full and need a machine for a
newcomer. However, with only two machines and, truancy aside, the
machines lying fallow until school is out, there will be a rush when the
school bus comes around. 30 minutes is not reasonable (too long) to
actually effectively circulate everyone through the machines without 3+
hour waits, but 30 minutes is not reasonable (too
short) for playing most non-casual games...and someone looking for
casual games can just hop onto Yahoo in the lab. Not to mention, we
don't have space to put this in immediate view of staff with our current
layout, so eventually some disputes are going to break out.

Fifth, sound: A library is stereotypically a bastion of solitude and
tranquility, however video games often necessitate being able to hear
them. Headphones are theoretical, but as a gamer, I would balk at the
notion of being forced to wear headphones while playing many games.
Further, bystanders that are content to watch while waiting for their
turn would want to be able to hear as well. We don't have the means for
constructing a new soundproof room, so how to handle the noise
pollution?


These are just some of the issues I foresee from the potential of
setting up "gaming" machines in the library. I applaud my supervisor's
efforts in looking for a solution to the lack of teen library usage, but
I am skeptical of finding a feasible method for implementing this idea.
Is there anyone out there that actually handles these ideas, effectively
or not? Does it even encourage them to spend time using the other
library services, or are we just creating a free play arcade?

-Stephen Kittel; Norristown Public Library, Montgomery County, PA
_______________________________________________
Web4lib mailing list
Web4lib@webjunction.org
http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
From burk at unb.ca  Wed Aug 23 11:46:35 2006
From: burk at unb.ca (Alan Burk)
Date: Wed Aug 23 11:46:48 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Register for 2006 Canadian Symposium on Text Analysis
	(CaSTA 2006)
Message-ID: <019e01c6c6cb$545f4bb0$4170ca83@burkthinkpad>


This announcement has been cross-posted, please excuse any duplication.  

Regards, Alan Burk, Electronic Text Centre, University of New Brunswick

**** CaSTA 2006 registration available announcement ****

  Registration is now available for the upcoming CaSTA 2006
conference at:
   www.lib.unb.ca/casta2006

  CaSTA 2006 is the 5th in a series of CaSTA conferences, focusing
on text analysis.  This year's conference will bring together
Computer Scientists and Humanities Computing researchers to share
their work on the central issues driving current scholarly
research on the linguistic, visual, and aural manifestations of
text.

   Fees are: Regular Registration (Early/Late): $125/$150
             Student Registration (Early/Late): $ 65/$ 75
             Conference Workshops:  $55 for ? day /$85 Full day
   The above rates include all taxes.
   Late fees will apply after September 15, 2006.

  CaSTA 2006 is taking place from October 11 to October 15, 2006 in
the beautiful Riverfront Capital of Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada.
There is an exciting program planned with five internationally known and
highly regarded keynote speakers:  William Y. Arms, Computer Science,
Cornell University; Willard McCarty, Reader in Humanities Computing,
King's College, London, UK; Johanna Drucker, Robertson Professor of
Media Studies, University of Virginia; Ian Munro, Professor of Computer
Science and Canada Research Chair in Algorithm Design, University of
Waterloo; and Peter Shillingsburg, Professor of English, De Montfort
University, UK.

  A series of interesting pre and post-conference workshops,
presentations based on peer reviewed papers and posters, and a
provocative panel discussion "Humanities Computing Science?", focusing
on research of common interest to humanists, computer and information
scientists are all part of the program.

  A promotional poster for printing and posting is available at:
    http://www.lib.unb.ca/casta2006/relatedlinks.php

  We look forward to welcoming attendees to CaSTA 2006!

**** End of CaSTA 2006 registration available announcement ****

From spam1 at kuendig.net  Thu Aug 24 04:53:50 2006
From: spam1 at kuendig.net (spam1@kuendig.net)
Date: Thu Aug 24 04:53:59 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] RE: Firefox extension for Endnote or Refworks
References: 
Message-ID: <003801c6c75a$d4ee2a00$7eca7e00$@net>

I have updated the extension to make it more clear what content export does.

V0.3 is uploaded here.

http://www.f-forge.com?d=K54Tb9HomDWVhZ7u6Lk1

The exported content doesn't look very good at the moment. I hope endnote 10
is able to deal with html content.

Please let  me know if you see additional features.

Cheers
Marco

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marco Kuendig [mailto:marco@kuendig.net]
> Sent: Montag, 21. August 2006 19:32
> To: 'Marco Kuendig'; 'web4lib@webjunction.org'
> Subject: RE: Firefox extension for Endnote or Refworks
> 
> Some people have noted that the .xpi was stripped.
> 
> Here is a link to download it.
> 
> http://www.f-forge.com?d=UX9a2jOGcoEZeuYDizLd
> 
> Cheers
> Marco
> 
> 
> 

From kengwall at catawba.edu  Thu Aug 24 09:57:34 2006
From: kengwall at catawba.edu (Keith D. Engwall)
Date: Thu Aug 24 10:00:46 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Librarian 2.0 Experiment: Librarian Fit Club
Message-ID: 

Dear Web4Lib,
 
After learning about Web/Library/Librarian/etc. 2.0 stuff over the past
month or so, I've decided to undertake a practical Librarian 2.0
experiment.
 
Librarian Fit Club
 
I've got two objectives:
 
1) Using a variety of social networking and collaborative tools, build a
web presence that would allow librarians to experiment with these types
of tools in a functional environment.
2) Maybe lose a few pounds (hey, it's motivation for objective #1).
 
Obviously, just using random tools would not make for a very functional
environment.  Thus far, I'm thinking the tools that would be useful for
this experiment:
 
Basecamp: For planning, setting goals, marking progress, etc.
A hosted Wiki: For storing ideas, fitness routines, recipes, etc.
A group blog: For celebrating, venting, and sharing, and documenting the
thing.
Flickr: For the brave of heart (grin).
...anything else anyone thinks would be useful for both objectives...
 
Thus far, I've created a basecamp group
(http://librarianfitclub.grouphub.com)
and a flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/groups/librarianfitclub/)
 
The flickr group is open.  Basecamp requires an admin to create and add
people to the site.
 
I'm looking into Wikis and Blogs, but I'd really welcome some
collaboration in building this thing.
 
If you're interested in participating, please send me an e-mail
off-list.
 
Thanks,
 
Keith
 
---------------------------------
Keith Engwall
Head of Library Systems and Technology
Catawba College
Salisbury, NC
kengwall@catawba.edu
 
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
 

From joyweesemoll at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 11:02:00 2006
From: joyweesemoll at gmail.com (Joy Weese Moll)
Date: Thu Aug 24 11:02:09 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Librarian 2.0 Experiment: Librarian Fit Club
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Keith and Web4Lib--

What fun! Count me in. I would also suggest 43 Things:
http://www.43things.com/
Which is all about shared progress on goals.

I set up a goal to be a more fit librarian for anyone who wants to play
along in that forum:
http://www.43things.com/things/view/953613

--Joy

On 8/24/06, Keith D. Engwall  wrote:
>
> Dear Web4Lib,
>
> After learning about Web/Library/Librarian/etc. 2.0 stuff over the past
> month or so, I've decided to undertake a practical Librarian 2.0
> experiment.
>
> Librarian Fit Club
>
> I've got two objectives:
>
> 1) Using a variety of social networking and collaborative tools, build a
> web presence that would allow librarians to experiment with these types
> of tools in a functional environment.
> 2) Maybe lose a few pounds (hey, it's motivation for objective #1).
>
> Obviously, just using random tools would not make for a very functional
> environment.  Thus far, I'm thinking the tools that would be useful for
> this experiment:
>
> Basecamp: For planning, setting goals, marking progress, etc.
> A hosted Wiki: For storing ideas, fitness routines, recipes, etc.
> A group blog: For celebrating, venting, and sharing, and documenting the
> thing.
> Flickr: For the brave of heart (grin).
> ...anything else anyone thinks would be useful for both objectives...
>
> Thus far, I've created a basecamp group
> (http://librarianfitclub.grouphub.com)
> and a flickr group (http://www.flickr.com/groups/librarianfitclub/)
>
> The flickr group is open.  Basecamp requires an admin to create and add
> people to the site.
>
> I'm looking into Wikis and Blogs, but I'd really welcome some
> collaboration in building this thing.
>
> If you're interested in participating, please send me an e-mail
> off-list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
> ---------------------------------
> Keith Engwall
> Head of Library Systems and Technology
> Catawba College
> Salisbury, NC
> kengwall@catawba.edu
>
> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
> relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web4lib mailing list
> Web4lib@webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
>
From ssalomone at metro.org  Thu Aug 24 15:23:03 2006
From: ssalomone at metro.org (Susan Salomone)
Date: Thu Aug 24 15:23:56 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] New METRO Job Magnet Posting: Metadata Services Librarian
	(New York University)
Message-ID: <01ae01c6c7b2$b8f13740$0200a8c0@desktop>

Please excuse cross-postings. This message is being posted to multiple
lists.
?
New York University recently posted a METRO Magnet announcement for a
Metadata Services Librarian. The METRO Magnet is the online career center
and job bank maintained by the Metropolitan New York Library Council
(www.metro.org). For more information about the position and the application
process, please see the announcement
at?http://metrojobs.metro.org?a=j&ID=SWHKP4HB7N.
?
Other jobs and RSS subscription information may be found by visiting the
METRO Magnet home page at www.metro.org/magnet. Please note that the RSS
feed is now at http://mercury.metro.org/rss/AK5B-latestposting.xml.
?
Susan Salomone
ssalomone@metro.org
METRO Magnet Project Manager
Metropolitan New York Library Council (New York, New York)


From jdunck at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 22:59:47 2006
From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck)
Date: Sat Aug 26 22:59:50 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Beautiful photos of libraries
Message-ID: <2545a92c0608261959s54737fe2ge210520cf1e3993f@mail.gmail.com>

http://thenonist.com/index.php/thenonist/permalink/hot_library_smut/?take2
From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie  Mon Aug 28 05:12:55 2006
From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon)
Date: Mon Aug 28 05:13:38 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Hotmail and 'Page cannot be displayed' message
Message-ID: 

Hi,

We have 86 PCs in 30 sites. The PCs and configuration are identical in
all sites. The PCs run IE6 on Windows XP.

Some of the PCs can't display Hotmail or Yahoo. When a person tries to
access the Inbox, they receive a 'This Page Cannot be Displayed'
message. 

They do not have a problem with web mail that does not use encryption.

All sites are not affected. My impression is that sites that are using
ISDN or sites that are using a slower version of broadband like 1
megabit per second download speed are affected. I know encryption uses
more bandwidth as the encrypted files are larger but, it is possible to
use Hotmail over a dial up connection.

Any ideas on what is going on?

Regards
John

John Fitzgibbon

p: 00 353 91 562471
f: 00 353 91 565039
w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie 

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Mura seolaí thú, níl tú údaraithe an ríomhphost nó aon iatán 
a ghabhann leis a léamh, a chóipáil ná a úsáid. 
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From loriayre at gmail.com  Mon Aug 28 11:20:28 2006
From: loriayre at gmail.com (Lori Ayre)
Date: Mon Aug 28 11:20:32 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Hotmail and 'Page cannot be displayed' message
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6aaa5a160608280820s30802c21iff083df9b9e04320@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a firewall issue.  Are the PCs that can't get mail at the same
location?  If so, I'd check the firewall settings and see if the incoming
mail ports are being blocked (port 110?).

Lori

On 8/28/06, John Fitzgibbon  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have 86 PCs in 30 sites. The PCs and configuration are identical in
> all sites. The PCs run IE6 on Windows XP.
>
> Some of the PCs can't display Hotmail or Yahoo. When a person tries to
> access the Inbox, they receive a 'This Page Cannot be Displayed'
> message.
>
> They do not have a problem with web mail that does not use encryption.
>
> All sites are not affected. My impression is that sites that are using
> ISDN or sites that are using a slower version of broadband like 1
> megabit per second download speed are affected. I know encryption uses
> more bandwidth as the encrypted files are larger but, it is possible to
> use Hotmail over a dial up connection.
>
> Any ideas on what is going on?
>
> Regards
> John
>
> John Fitzgibbon
>
> p: 00 353 91 562471
> f: 00 353 91 565039
> w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie
>
> *******************************************************************
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> agus aon iat?n a ghabhann leis agus is leis an duine/na daoine
> sin amh?in a bhfuil siad seolta chucu a bhaineann siad.
> Mura seola? th?, n?l t? ?daraithe an r?omhphost n? aon iat?n
> a ghabhann leis a l?amh, a ch?ip?il n? a ?s?id.
> M? t? an r?omhphost seo faighte agat tr? dhearmad,
> cuir an seolt?ir ar an eolas thr? aischur r?omhphoist
> agus scrios ansin ? le do thoil.
>
> This e-mail and any attachment contains information which is
> private and confidential and is intended for the addressee
> only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised
> to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment.
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> the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it.
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From john.chadwick at state.nm.us  Mon Aug 28 11:29:06 2006
From: john.chadwick at state.nm.us (Chadwick, John, DCA)
Date: Mon Aug 28 11:29:17 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Hotmail and 'Page cannot be displayed' message
Message-ID: <78AC9A21A019B14F8C7C6A3EE74B302102C7FF1C@CEXMB1.nmes.lcl>

It is most likely a firewall issue. We block Microsoft Messenger, both
at the firewall level (port 1863) and application level in active
directory. Hotmail will not work without Microsoft Messenger. Messenger
is very prone to virus attacks and sucks down bandwidth.

John

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-+
John Chadwick, Ed.D. Information Technology Manager
New Mexico State Library
1209 Camino Carlos Rey
Santa Fe, NM 87507
Phone: 505-476-9740  Fax: 505-476-9761
john.chadwick@state.nm.us
http://www.stlib.state.nm.us

-----Original Message-----
From: web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org
[mailto:web4lib-bounces@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lori Ayre
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:20 AM
To: John Fitzgibbon
Cc: web4lib@webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Web4lib] Hotmail and 'Page cannot be displayed' message

Sounds like a firewall issue.  Are the PCs that can't get mail at the
same
location?  If so, I'd check the firewall settings and see if the
incoming
mail ports are being blocked (port 110?).

Lori

On 8/28/06, John Fitzgibbon  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have 86 PCs in 30 sites. The PCs and configuration are identical in
> all sites. The PCs run IE6 on Windows XP.
>
> Some of the PCs can't display Hotmail or Yahoo. When a person tries to
> access the Inbox, they receive a 'This Page Cannot be Displayed'
> message.
>
> They do not have a problem with web mail that does not use encryption.
>
> All sites are not affected. My impression is that sites that are using
> ISDN or sites that are using a slower version of broadband like 1
> megabit per second download speed are affected. I know encryption uses
> more bandwidth as the encrypted files are larger but, it is possible
to
> use Hotmail over a dial up connection.
>
> Any ideas on what is going on?
>
> Regards
> John
>
> John Fitzgibbon
>
> p: 00 353 91 562471
> f: 00 353 91 565039
> w: http://www.galwaylibrary.ie
>
>


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From HankiA at parl.gc.ca  Mon Aug 28 11:44:36 2006
From: HankiA at parl.gc.ca (Hankinson, Andrew)
Date: Mon Aug 28 11:44:41 2006
Subject: [Web4lib] Hotmail and 'Page cannot be displayed' message
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I don't know about saying that "Hotmail won't work without Microsoft
Messenger."  It should - Hotmail is just a website, and it would be
running over port 80.
I would also suspect a firewall issue, but one that blocks access to
"http://www.hotmail.com" instead of a certain port.  It sounds like you
are using different routes to the Internet for different PC's, so have a
look "upstream" from the PC's that are having the problems.  My guess is
that yo

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