From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Apr 1 08:10:01 2005 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Apr 01 Message-ID: <200504011310.j31DA1w31838@olcfax2.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS April 01, 2005 [Note: I am not the Web4Lib listowner. Please do not send subscription problems to me. - Thomas] This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the list software won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listproc program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listproc@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from listproc reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." This message usually arrives within a few minutes, but may take a couple of hours if the server is busy; if you do not receive it in a reasonable time, you should contact the list owner, Roy Tennant, at roy.tennant@ucop.edu. The software running Web4Lib is currently ListProc 6.0. This is a powerful and flexible program, and it may offer you options for management and receipt of Web4Lib that you did not know about. For further options, send listproc@webjunction.org the message "help", or consult the command reference at the Web4Lib Web site . WHAT HELP IS AVAILABLE IF THE LISTSERV WON'T DO WHAT I WANT? There are two common reasons why the commands above don't work and give you an error message. One is, ahem, operator error. If you're trying to unsubscribe or issue other listproc commands, make sure that you are spelling both the listproc address and the command correctly. The other common reason why unsubscribe and other commands fail is that your e-mail address has changed since you first subscribed to the list. Sometimes this is because you have chosen to forward mail from your original address to a new one. Sometimes this is due to your organization changing its entire e-mail addressing structure en masse (for example, from addresses like "chris@mailhost.domain.org" to "chris@domain.org"). For security reasons, listproc will only process commands affecting your subscription if the command is mailed from the same address as the original subscription request. 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If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From KevilL at missouri.edu Fri Apr 1 09:28:02 2005 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google a la francaise Message-ID: Here's a link to an article in the Nouvel Observateur on this subject: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/multimedia/20050317.OBS1429.html It is interesting in that it quotes Vabres as saying that the project is not anti-Google, but intended to digitize the "European cultural heritage" in conjunction with the great European libraries. He mentions a peer-to-peer network for sharing. I see several ironies here. First, I believe (but am not positive) that Google approached some of the great French libraries and was rebuffed. The Bibliotheque Nationale has its own digitization project, called Gallica. (They claim 80,000 works already - I like Gallica a lot.) But the national budget for digitization is all of 15,000,000 euros. The greatest irony is that while we Americans acknowledge our European roots and intend to digitize works in all languages, the French continue to claim - implicitly at least - that there is some kind of divide between European and American cultural heritage. I suspect the divide is more between their command-and-control ideal for government and the free market, best represented by the Internet, which so far is free of government control (though the UN has plans for a takeover.) If the French were to cooperate with Google to avoid duplication, then we would all applaud their effort to make their culture available to the world. Hunter L. Hunter KEVIL Collection Development Librarian University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, Missouri 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 Knowledge is one of the few things that can be given to others without reducing the amount you have left. (Thomas Sowell) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google a la francaise Another piece on France's reaction to Google's book digitization project, from the March 31 issue of the Economist: http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3819169 Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From gpeterson at hclib.org Fri Apr 1 11:05:50 2005 From: gpeterson at hclib.org (Peterson, Glenn) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: Subject Guide updates offered via RSS Message-ID: <9DE2996D5E4D7145BF5B9A9D9F3E40C802003874@exchange2.hclib.org> Hennepin County Library now offers librarian-created content across 26 subject areas via RSS. Our "Librarian Notes" highlight timely web resources of high-interest to the general public. Recent notes touched on health care directives, Women's History Month and foreign news sources. Looking for current, subject-specific content for your website? We invite you to incorporate our notes into your site if you wish. (Some of the notes are primarily of local or regional interest.) Subscribe to a combined feed of all subjects here: http://www.hclib.org/pub/search/XML/LibnNotes/GetXML.cfm?Topic=All&Display=All+Subject+Guides or select from specific subjects here: http://www.hclib.org/pub/search/RSS.cfm ------------------------------------------------------------------ Glenn Peterson gpeterson@hclib.org Web Administrator http://www.hclib.org Hennepin County Library voice: 952-847-8659 12601 Ridgedale Drive fax: 952-847-8642 Minnetonka, MN 55305 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Apr 1 11:13:00 2005 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: Alternative to email and chat Message-ID: <1358696124.20050401091300@riverofdata.com> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/01/ The latest from the fine folks who bring you Opera. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Fair is whatever God decides to do. From george at library.caltech.edu Fri Apr 1 11:19:53 2005 From: george at library.caltech.edu (george@library.caltech.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: new version of Camino Message-ID: <2DB0071B2579A2448430A96C451BBB27544AC5@CLSX.cls.caltech.edu> For those running Macs, Camino , the Mac OS X-specific Gecko-based browser from the Mozilla Organization , has released an update which fixes a few bugs and security holes. The now current version is Camino 0.8.3. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 http://library.caltech.edu contributor http://stlq.info | http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/fosblog.html From josephw at admin.stedwards.edu Fri Apr 1 11:49:39 2005 From: josephw at admin.stedwards.edu (josephw@admin.stedwards.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Alternative to email and chat Message-ID: <112170-22005451164939523@M2W075.mail2web.com> Interesting technology. I tried out the demo a few times with people here, but apparently, the people I work with don't fully grasp this new development. ;-) Joe Wojtowicz Systems Librarian St. Edward's University Austin, TX josephw@admin.stedwards.edu Original Message: ----------------- From: Dan Lester dan@riverofdata.com Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:14:46 -0800 (PST) To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: [WEB4LIB] Alternative to email and chat http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/01/ The latest from the fine folks who bring you Opera. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Fair is whatever God decides to do. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Apr 1 11:55:54 2005 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: Wireless Libraries blog: New content from Wikipedia Message-ID: As some of you may notice, I am adding new content from selected articles on Wikipedia to Wireless Libraries blog . After reading many of the more technical articles on Wikipedia, I have decided to not reinvent the wheel. If you are careful, one can find excellent content on Wikipedia. It is also under the GNU copyright so it is easy to add to the blog without any need to ask. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net Wireless Libraries: http://wirelesslibraries.blogspot.com Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ My Blog: http://babyboomerlibrarian.blogspot.com/ "To teach is to learn twice." - Joseph Joubert From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Apr 1 12:49:33 2005 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Alternative to email and chat In-Reply-To: <112170-22005451164939523@M2W075.mail2web.com> References: <112170-22005451164939523@M2W075.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <16110610343.20050401104933@riverofdata.com> Friday, April 1, 2005, 9:51:40 AM, you wrote: jase> Interesting technology. I tried out the demo a few times with people here, jase> but apparently, the people I work with don't fully grasp this new jase> development. ;-) It does work better if they take off the headsets they have plugged into their ipods or other MP3 players. I don't think Opera pointed out that flaw in the system. Congratulations on being a beta tester. -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Fair is whatever God decides to do. From Aidan.Sheridan at cityofportmoody.com Fri Apr 1 15:10:48 2005 From: Aidan.Sheridan at cityofportmoody.com (Aidan.Sheridan@cityofportmoody.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:46 2005 Subject: Active Directory book Message-ID: Hello All, I'm looking for a good administrators guide to Active Directory. Our team wants to have a couple books for in-house use. Does anybody have any good recommendations or a must have for an Active Directory network? Thanks in advance! __________________________________ Aidan Sheridan Network Support Specialist City of Port Moody 604-469-4688 aidan.sheridan@cityofportmoody.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Wed Apr 6 10:24:59 2005 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: April 2005 Cites & Insights available Message-ID: Cites & Insights 5:6 (April 2005) is now available for downloading at http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ5i6.pdf The 22-page issue (PDF as always) includes: * Bibs & Blather: Go Away--and an HTML challenge * disContent Perspective: Print a bil i ty (30% failure!) * The Library Stuff: seven articles worth noting * Net Media Perspective: Google and Gorman - more thoughts on Google Print, and some musings on the recent storminess * Trends & Quick Takes: four trends, eight quicker takes * The Good Stuff: five articles worth noting For those who really only want to read one article, you'll find HTML links to most articles (well, all of them for this issue) at http://cites.boisestate.edu/ PS: Some of you may be interested in Walt at Random, http://walt.lishost.org a new weblog from the editor & publisher of Cites & Insights From stacy.pober at manhattan.edu Wed Apr 6 18:02:03 2005 From: stacy.pober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: Files & Folders 101 Message-ID: <20050406180203.up2x485f4fgow4sk@webmail.manhattan.edu> I've been helping someone learn HTML so that he can do his own web project. He's learned the HTML well, but is having persistent problems with the basic understanding of the structure of information as saved in files and folders and the difference between saving a file on his local machine vs. FTP-ing it onto web server. I'm not as patient as I aspire to be, and after there's only so many times I can explain that the reason he doesn't see the change to his pages is that the file is still on his PC and hasn't been transferred to the server, or that it is in the wrong folder rather than the public HTML server folder without feeling that maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I wonder if there's some good basic help out there, either in the form of a web tutorial or a good (but short) book. The person who needs this uses computers every day without a problem, so I'm not looking for something that covers a wide range of computer topics, just issues related to storage of information in files and folders and subfolders and local vs. remote. Whatever it is has to use Windows terminology, otherwise it will be useless. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College O'Malley Library Riverdale, NY 10471 stacy.pober@manhattan.edu From alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org Wed Apr 6 18:25:35 2005 From: alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org (Alnisa Allgood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Files & Folders 101 In-Reply-To: <20050406180203.up2x485f4fgow4sk@webmail.manhattan.edu> References: <20050406180203.up2x485f4fgow4sk@webmail.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: At 2:30 PM -0700 4/6/05, Stacy Pober wrote: >I've been helping someone learn HTML so that he can do his own web project. > >He's learned the HTML well, but is having persistent problems with the >basic understanding of the structure of information as saved in files and >folders and the difference between saving a file on his local machine >vs. FTP-ing it onto web server. > >I'm not as patient as I aspire to be, and after there's only so many times >I can explain that the reason he doesn't see the change to his pages is >that the file is still on his PC and hasn't been transferred to the server, >or that it is in the wrong folder rather than the public HTML server folder >without feeling that maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I say forget teaching people who can't understand, they will eventually catch on at their own time. What you need is a solution that adapts to them. Now I'm not certain if he's a Mac or PC user, or if he's using a text editor versus something like DreamWeaver. But on my Mac I use Transmit (ftp) and BBedit (text editor). I set Transmit to post process double-clicked files in BBedit, and set BBedit to send modification back to the server. I know a number of Mac OS and Mac OS X FTP and HTML/Text Editors allow this type of functionality, and assume that the PC equivalent is possible. But also, if your teaching him to use an application like Adobe GoLive or DreamWeaver, they both have built in FTP functions, that allow live editing or editing synchronizing. Sometimes the best method is the path of least resistance. If they don't understand now, they probably will some day later, but provide a solution that doesn't require their full understanding. Alnisa From ldeclerck at library.ucsd.edu Wed Apr 6 19:30:32 2005 From: ldeclerck at library.ucsd.edu (Luc Declerck) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Web Managing Editor - San Diego, CA Message-ID: WEB MANAGING EDITOR UCSD Libraries University of California, San Diego Hiring Salary Range: $44,300 - $84,800 Filing Deadline: April 29, 2005 The UCSD Libraries, one of the nation's top academic research libraries, = seeks a forward thinking Web Managing Editor with strong web design and = editorial skills to provide leadership towards the enhancement of the = Libraries public and staff web presence. Reporting to the Associate = University Librarian for Technology Services, the Managing Editor is = responsible for creating the UCSD Libraries public website, a primary = service and information delivery point, which serves as a gateway to the = resources, services, collections, and news of the University's libraries. = It also serves as a key communications dissemination mechanism for = information about the libraries, its staff, policies, services, and = facilities. The public website is intended to be a virtual extension of = the physical libraries and an integrated and coherent electronic portal, = responsive to the information and access needs of university users. The = staff Intranet is equally important and serves to inform, support and = motivate staff, and to sustain excellence within the Libraries. =20 Key responsibilities: =95 Assume leadership in creating a public website that effectively = presents to users the wide array of digital and print collections = resources available through the libraries and beyond, guides them in their = research and information-seeking endeavors, and engages them through = dynamic and interactive design. =95 Serve as editor-in-chief for the website by establishing a consistent = publishing style, developing policies and procedures, coordinating the = creation and maintenance of interactive features and content, providing = support to content authors, and designing and developing prototypes for = review and discussion.=20 =95 Oversee ongoing development and maintenance of the Libraries' staff = Intranet. =95 Work closely with the Library's Information Technology Department to = create a website and Intranet that meet users' needs. =95 Manage the Libraries' Web Content Management System (WCMS). =95 Recommend, liaise, and supervise outside contractors. =20 The complete position description is available at: http://orpheus.ucsd.edu= /fac/WebMngEditor.htm=20 =20 Required Qualifications: =95 Minimum of 3-5 years experience managing a large and complex website. = Comprehensive understanding of software, systems, hardware and techniques = used in web communication and web development. =95 Demonstrated knowledge of web design skills, web architecture = principles, the formulation of web taxonomies, and familiarity with web = accessibility norms and guidelines, including ADA. =20 =95 Experience analyzing website performance and usability. =95 Demonstrated experience with web publishing, web search engines, and = portal development software tools. =95 Familiarity with HTML, CSS, XML, CGI, SQL, JavaScript and emerging Web = technologies. =95 Demonstrated ability to manage and oversee complex projects in a team = environment, meet deadlines, and prioritize work. =95 Strong oral and written communication skills. Excellent interpersonal = skills and ability to build consensus among a wide variety and range of = partners. =20 Preferred Qualifications: =95 Professional degree in Library and Information Science or equivalent = discipline. =95 Experience in an academic and/or research library environment. =95 Experience with Enterprise-level Web Content Management (CMS) = software. =20 To apply for this position, please submit cover letter and resume using = the UCSD Applicant Toolkit at: http://joblink.ucsd.edu. Please reference = job # 35747. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From crobledo at mission-viejo.com Wed Apr 6 20:07:27 2005 From: crobledo at mission-viejo.com (Colleen Robledo) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Files & Folders 101 Message-ID: Hello, Elizabeth Castro's "HTML for the World Wide Web" does a good job. This was used as a recommended reading for my library school web design class. I already had experience with this kind of stuff, but I still found the basics very helpful, especially in terms of FTP'g and how to correctly name files/folders (I'd alwasy published with FrontPage). Lots of pictures too. I also maintain a web project for USGenWeb, and refer my new state file manages to the following basic FTP tutorial: http://www.ftpplanet.com/ftpresources/basics.htm Regards, Colleen Robledo Mission Viejo Library Library Assistant, Technology Center 949/830-7100 (Ext: 4012) CRobledo@mission-viejo.com http://www.cmvl.org >>> Stacy Pober 4/6/2005 2:32:14 PM >>> I've been helping someone learn HTML so that he can do his own web project. He's learned the HTML well, but is having persistent problems with the basic understanding of the structure of information as saved in files and folders and the difference between saving a file on his local machine vs. FTP-ing it onto web server. I'm not as patient as I aspire to be, and after there's only so many times I can explain that the reason he doesn't see the change to his pages is that the file is still on his PC and hasn't been transferred to the server, or that it is in the wrong folder rather than the public HTML server folder without feeling that maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I wonder if there's some good basic help out there, either in the form of a web tutorial or a good (but short) book. The person who needs this uses computers every day without a problem, so I'm not looking for something that covers a wide range of computer topics, just issues related to storage of information in files and folders and subfolders and local vs. remote. Whatever it is has to use Windows terminology, otherwise it will be useless. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College O'Malley Library Riverdale, NY 10471 stacy.pober@manhattan.edu From bjuhl at uark.edu Wed Apr 6 20:48:55 2005 From: bjuhl at uark.edu (Beth Juhl) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: dynamic table of contents generation / indexing Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050406193053.01e3abc0@mail.uark.edu> Hello all - Longtime lurker. First time questioner. We are looking at "best practices" for creating and maintaining a site a-z index. The ideal for us would be something that could periodically generate a starting index from meta keywords that could then be hand-edited if needed. Has anyone out there tried either of these: Deva Add-Ins for Dreamweaver: http://www.devahelp.com/ HTML Indexer: http://www.html-indexer.com/ Either might work for us but I keep thinking I am missing some really obvious solution or technique that might be more elegant. Anyone have a blindingly obvious set of tools for doing this? thanks! Beth Juhl Web Services 365 N. Ozark Ave. University of Arkansas Libraries Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-4665 From Bich-Lien.Doan at supelec.fr Fri Apr 8 11:00:29 2005 From: Bich-Lien.Doan at supelec.fr (Bich-Lien Doan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: doctoral consortium context-05 Message-ID: <200504081500.j38F0ao09323@supelec.supelec.fr> CONTEXT'05 Doctoral Consortium Paris, France, July 5, 2005 (Submissions EXTENDED DEADLINES: April 10, 2005) Web site: http://www.context-05.org/DC/ The Fifth International and Interdisciplinary Conference on Modeling and Using Context (CONTEXT'05) has for the first time a Doctoral Consortium for Ph.D. Students. This will be the opportunity for Ph.D. students to discuss and explore their research interests related to context with a panel of well-known researchers in different disciplines. The objectives of the Doctoral Consortium are: (1) to provide a setting for mutual feedback on participants' current research, and guidance on future research directions; (2) to develop a supportive community of scholars and a spirit of collaborative research; and (3) to contribute to the conference goals through interaction with other researchers and participation in other conference events. Topics include but are not limited to the ones listed in the CFP of the main conference. The list can be found on line at http://www.context-05.org ACCEPTANCE CRITERIA AND SUBMISSION CATEGORIES Submissions to the Doctoral Consortium will be evaluated both for their technical merit and for their accessibility to an interdisciplinary audience. Work crossing disciplinary boundaries are especially encouraged. Papers accepted will be presented in the doctoral consortium and authors will have the chance to discuss their work with the audience. All accepted paper will be published as LIP6 Research Reports. SUBMISSION PROCEDURES Submissions must follow the requirements and instructions of the main conference. Submissions cannot exceed 10 pages in the Springer LNAI format. Author instructions are on-line at www.context-05.org. For any questions, please send an e-mail to the consortium organizers at oc-dc@context-05.org. IMPORTANT DATES Deadline for paper submissions April 4 (extended to April 10), 2005 Notification of acceptance May 2, 2005 Camera ready due June 1, 2005 Doctoral consortium July 5, 2005 Main Conference July 6-8, 2005 DOCTORAL CONSORTIUM ORGANIZERS Chiara Ghidini (Chair), ITC-IRST, Italy Bich-Lien Doan (Local Organiser), Supelec, France PROGRAMME COMMITTEE Varol Akman, Bilkent University, Turkey John Barnden, University of Birmingham, UK Carla Bazzanella, Universita' di Torino, Italy Massimo Benerecetti, Universita' di Napoli, Italy Paolo Bouquet, Universita' di Trento, Italy Patrick Brezillon, University of Paris 6, France Bich-Lien Doan, Supelec, France Bruce Edmonds, Manchester Metropolitan University, UK Chiara Ghidini, ITC-irst, Italy Rolf Nossum, Agder University College, Norway Luciano Serafini, ITC-irst, Italy Rich Thomason, University of Michigan, USA Roy Turner, University of Maine, USA Johan van Benthem, University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Terry Winograd, Stanford University, USA ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From calumet at mindspring.com Fri Apr 8 13:16:23 2005 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: Latest Resource Listings from ResearchBuzz -- ( March 31 - April 6 ) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050408131556.02f67c60@pop.mindspring.com> Following are links to resource writeups from the latest issue of ResearchBuzz ( March 31 - April 6 ). As always you may subscribe to the newsletter by visiting http://www.researchbuzz.com . Thanks, Tara tara@researchbuzz.com -- ** Yahoo Backs Up Wikipedia ** Compare Hospital Care With Online Tool ** LOC Releases James Madison Papers ** Google Blogoscoped Creates Auto-Linker Tool ** Diary of Captain Cook Available Online ** Yahoo Makes Changes to Y!Q ** Scotsman Expands Archive to 1950, Makes Free Offer ** April Fool's Day Roundup Also On the Site ---------------- ** Getting Yahoo Local Results in a Spreadsheet ** Trendalicious for Del.Icio.Us ** Yahoo Announces New Index ** Rhode Island's New Find-Your-Official Tool ** Kansas Offers Alert Service for Gubernatorial Press Releases From Michael.Yunkin at ccmail.nevada.edu Fri Apr 8 16:55:34 2005 From: Michael.Yunkin at ccmail.nevada.edu (Michael.Yunkin@ccmail.nevada.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: Request for input on proprietary Content Management Systems Message-ID: Greetings all! We at UNLV are looking into migrating our website to a CMS in the near future. Though we've spent some time looking at open source products, we're just beginning to weigh our proprietary options. We'd like to hear from other academic libraries who are using proprietary Web Content Management Systems. Although at this point we're just looking for names of potential vendors and products, any extra information (including--and perhaps especially--editorial information), background, or suggestions would also be appreciated. Please send your responses to me off-list. Thank you, Michael Yunkin Web Content/Metadata Manager UNLV Libraries Las Vegas, NV michael.yunkin@ccmail.nevada.edu **Cross-posted to LITA-L** ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From ldeclerck at library.ucsd.edu Fri Apr 8 20:12:52 2005 From: ldeclerck at library.ucsd.edu (Luc Declerck) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:47 2005 Subject: Job Posting: Web Managing Editor - San Diego, CA Message-ID: WEB MANAGING EDITOR UCSD Libraries University of California, San Diego Hiring Salary Range: $44,300 - $84,800 Filing Deadline: April 29, 2005 The UCSD Libraries, one of the nation's top academic research libraries, seeks a forward thinking Web Managing Editor with strong web design and editorial skills to provide leadership towards the enhancement of the Libraries public and staff web presence. Reporting to the Associate University Librarian for Technology Services, the Managing Editor is responsible for creating the UCSD Libraries public website, a primary service and information delivery point, which serves as a gateway to the resources, services, collections, and news of the University's libraries. It also serves as a key communications dissemination mechanism for information about the libraries, its staff, policies, services, and facilities. The public website is intended to be a virtual extension of the physical libraries and an integrated and coherent electronic portal, responsive to the information and access needs of university users. The staff Intranet is equally important and serves to inform, support and motivate staff, and to sustain excellence within the Libraries. Key responsibilities: - Assume leadership in creating a public website that effectively presents to users the wide array of digital and print collections resources available through the libraries and beyond, guides them in their research and information-seeking endeavors, and engages them through dynamic and interactive design. - Serve as editor-in-chief for the website by establishing a consistent publishing style, developing policies and procedures, coordinating the creation and maintenance of interactive features and content, providing support to content authors, and designing and developing prototypes for review and discussion. - Oversee ongoing development and maintenance of the Libraries' staff Intranet. - Work closely with the Library's Information Technology Department to create a website and Intranet that meet users' needs. - Manage the Libraries' Web Content Management System (WCMS). - Recommend, liaise, and supervise outside contractors. The complete position description is available at: http://orpheus.ucsd.edu//WebMngEditor.htm Required Qualifications: - Minimum of 3-5 years experience managing a large and complex website. - Comprehensive understanding of software, systems, hardware and techniques used in web communication and web development. -Demonstrated knowledge of web design skills, web architecture principles, the formulation of web taxonomies, and familiarity with web accessibility norms and guidelines, including ADA. - Experience analyzing website performance and usability. - Demonstrated experience with web publishing, web search engines, and portal development software tools. - Familiarity with HTML, CSS, XML, CGI, SQL, JavaScript and emerging Web technologies. - Demonstrated ability to manage and oversee complex projects in a team environment, meet deadlines, and prioritize work. - Strong oral and written communication skills. Excellent interpersonal skills and ability to build consensus among a wide variety and range of partners. Preferred Qualifications: - Professional degree in Library and Information Science or equivalent discipline. - Experience in an academic and/or research library environment. - Experience with Enterprise-level Web Content Management (CMS) software. To apply for this position, please submit cover letter and resume using the UCSD Applicant Toolkit at: http://joblink.ucsd.edu. Please reference job # 35747. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From malefica at web.de Thu Apr 14 06:19:14 2005 From: malefica at web.de (Janine Bendel) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: opacs for children Message-ID: <1693294721@web.de> Dear Ms. and Mr., I?m studying library science in berlin (germany) and at the moment I?m writing my master thesis with the topic ?opac?s for children?. My aim is an international comparison and as a basement I chose the ?Best- Practice-Recherche? (Bertelsmann) with the following countries: USA, England, Denmark, Finland and Singapore. Till now I found predominant eldery literature about these topic (f.e. ?B?cherschatz? in Hamburg; formerly studies: P. Solomon, V. Walter), not so much in the bibliographies (LISA, LiLi) but also some interesting new projects in the internet (f.e. in Maryland and Denmark). I?ve also talked with many librarians and next I?ll contact some software companies. Can anybody give me some more advices or do you know persons to talk to for me? Thank you! Yours sincerely Janine Bendel ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From scahilla at baypath.edu Thu Apr 14 07:38:25 2005 From: scahilla at baypath.edu (Sandra Cahillane) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: more on remote authentication issue Message-ID: Thank you to all who responded so far. This is very helpful. Our first choice is to use ezproxy. It sounds like we could do that on a separate machine with linux. The only problem is the pc we use. Our old server is an option but would it really be reliable enough to convert to the proxy given that we just replaced it with the brand-new server? It is also an IBM but probably between 7 and 8 years old. Is it worth it to try and keep it in service? Or should I try and wrangle a newer, older pc out of our IT department (no offense to IT people, but I'm guessing you propably know how this goes)? I'm including my first message below for those of you who may not have seen it: "We just purchased a lovely, new IBM server with AIX on it. Sadly, ezproxy no longer maintains software for this platform. We would very much like to be our own proxy server for remote authentication. I would love any and all ideas and suggestions (or workarounds for ezproxy) that people could suggest as possible solutions for remote authentication for a unix box for a non-programmer systems administrator. I am familiar with cgi-scripts. Would a cgi-script work for remote access? Primarily what I want is a seamless, one click authentication process for users that will direct them to the correct page (database listing or remote access logon page) depending on whether they are on-campus or off." Thanks again, Sandy Cahillane Systems and Reference Librarian Bay Path College Hatch Library 588 Longmeadow Street Longmeadow, MA 01106 (413) 567-4529 or (413) 565-1376 fax-(413) 567-8345 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Apr 14 08:45:37 2005 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] LexisNexis responds to request for direct linking... In-Reply-To: <8bd42b27050413162518bbe4bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bd42b27050413162518bbe4bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <425E65F1.9080602@ohiolink.edu> I think that's about the same response I got from them on this subject two or three years ago. IIRC, Ex Libris was testing SFX five years ago, and D-Lib published one of the first OpenURL papers (maybe *the* first? - ) over four years ago. The need to support article-level linking existed well before that; this was just a framework to hang it on. Full text vendors who really make this a high priority got it done long ago. Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Mr. Wuolu, > > Thank you for your note. Rest assured that this is a very high > priority within the academic group of LexisNexis and we are working on > developing the capabilities that you request. Unfortunately, as is the > case within many large operations, it takes time to both fund and > implement such changes to a system. We are very aware that user > expectations are everchanging and that we need to respond to these > issues. > From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 14 10:08:32 2005 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] more on remote authentication issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sandra, I'm repeating myself, I know, but don't give up on running EZProxy on AIX until you've talked with Chris Zagar at Useful Utilities. He monitors the EZProxy mailing list and he has on several occasions responded to my questions with prompt, individualized, and effective help. Chris "The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning and does not stop until you get into the office." -Robert Frost On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sandra Cahillane wrote: > > > > > Thank you to all who responded so far. This is very helpful. > > Our first choice is to use ezproxy. It sounds like we could do that on a > separate machine with linux. The only problem is the pc we use. Our old > server is an option but would it really be reliable enough to convert to > the proxy given that we just replaced it with the brand-new server? It is > also an IBM but probably between 7 and 8 years old. Is it worth it to try > and keep it in service? Or should I try and wrangle a newer, older pc out > of our IT department (no offense to IT people, but I'm guessing you > propably know how this goes)? > > I'm including my first message below for those of you who may not have seen > it: > > "We just purchased a lovely, new IBM server with AIX on it. Sadly, ezproxy > no longer maintains software for this platform. We would very much like to > be our own proxy server for remote authentication. I would love any and > all ideas and suggestions (or workarounds for ezproxy) that people could > suggest as possible solutions for remote authentication for a unix box for > a non-programmer systems administrator. > > I am familiar with cgi-scripts. Would a cgi-script work for remote access? > Primarily what I want is a seamless, one click authentication process for > users that will direct them to the correct page (database listing or remote > access logon page) depending on whether they are on-campus or off." > > Thanks again, > > Sandy Cahillane > Systems and Reference Librarian > Bay Path College > Hatch Library > 588 Longmeadow Street > Longmeadow, MA 01106 > (413) 567-4529 or (413) 565-1376 > fax-(413) 567-8345 > > From drostj at uah.edu Thu Apr 14 10:25:20 2005 From: drostj at uah.edu (Jack Drost) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] more on remote authentication issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c540fd$ccd805a0$4438e592@safeguard.uah.edu> We are running ezproxy on a Pentium IV with a 700MHz processor and 256MB of memory and a linux operating system and it gets a lot of use. Ezproxy is all that is running on the machine and it serves us well. Ezproxy does not require a lot of resources to run. Jack Drost Systems Librarian UAH Salmon Library 824-7407 drostj@uah.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Cahillane Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] more on remote authentication issue Thank you to all who responded so far. This is very helpful. Our first choice is to use ezproxy. It sounds like we could do that on a separate machine with linux. The only problem is the pc we use. Our old server is an option but would it really be reliable enough to convert to the proxy given that we just replaced it with the brand-new server? It is also an IBM but probably between 7 and 8 years old. Is it worth it to try and keep it in service? Or should I try and wrangle a newer, older pc out of our IT department (no offense to IT people, but I'm guessing you propably know how this goes)? I'm including my first message below for those of you who may not have seen it: "We just purchased a lovely, new IBM server with AIX on it. Sadly, ezproxy no longer maintains software for this platform. We would very much like to be our own proxy server for remote authentication. I would love any and all ideas and suggestions (or workarounds for ezproxy) that people could suggest as possible solutions for remote authentication for a unix box for a non-programmer systems administrator. I am familiar with cgi-scripts. Would a cgi-script work for remote access? Primarily what I want is a seamless, one click authentication process for users that will direct them to the correct page (database listing or remote access logon page) depending on whether they are on-campus or off." Thanks again, Sandy Cahillane Systems and Reference Librarian Bay Path College Hatch Library 588 Longmeadow Street Longmeadow, MA 01106 (413) 567-4529 or (413) 565-1376 fax-(413) 567-8345 From mshochet at ubalt.edu Thu Apr 14 11:18:00 2005 From: mshochet at ubalt.edu (Michael Shochet) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] opacs for children Message-ID: A few years ago at an American Libraries Association/Canadian Libraries Association joint conference I saw a prof. Jamshid Beheshti of McGill University talk about work he was doing on designing interfaces for children. His worked focused on the design of "portal" for children, but I would think his research would be applicable to OPAC design as well. He has a vitae, which includes citations of articles he has authored on designing web interfaces for children, available online: http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/Beheshti_CV.htm Michael Shochet Systems/Reference Librarian Langsdale Library, University of Baltimore http://langsdale.ubalt.edu/ mshochet@ubalt.edu 410-837-4277 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Janine Bendel Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] opacs for children Dear Ms. and Mr., I?m studying library science in berlin (germany) and at the moment I?m writing my master thesis with the topic "opac?s for children". My aim is an international comparison and as a basement I chose the "Best- Practice-Recherche" (Bertelsmann) with the following countries: USA, England, Denmark, Finland and Singapore. Till now I found predominant eldery literature about these topic (f.e. "B?cherschatz" in Hamburg; formerly studies: P. Solomon, V. Walter), not so much in the bibliographies (LISA, LiLi) but also some interesting new projects in the internet (f.e. in Maryland and Denmark). I?ve also talked with many librarians and next I?ll contact some software companies. Can anybody give me some more advices or do you know persons to talk to for me? Thank you! Yours sincerely Janine Bendel ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From leo at leoklein.com Thu Apr 14 13:06:46 2005 From: leo at leoklein.com (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: LexisNexis responds to request for direct linking... In-Reply-To: <425E65F1.9080602@ohiolink.edu> References: <425E65F1.9080602@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <49441.131.193.221.97.1113498406.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> Person from LN wroteth: "We are very aware that user expectations are everchanging..." That did seem a bit of a stretch to me. I spose they want to hold back their material so that you can first experience the wonders of their search interface. That alone will make anything you eventually dig up a thousand times more valueable. It's tough love. LEO -- ------------- Leo Robert Klein www.leoklein.com On Thu, April 14, 2005 7:46 am, Thomas Dowling said: > I think that's about the same response I got from them on this subject > two or three years ago. > > IIRC, Ex Libris was testing SFX five years ago, and D-Lib published one > of the first OpenURL papers (maybe *the* first? - > ) over four years ago. > The need to support article-level linking existed well before that; > this was just a framework to hang it on. Full text vendors who really > make this a high priority got it done long ago. > > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dear Mr. Wuolu, >> >> Thank you for your note. Rest assured that this is a very high >> priority within the academic group of LexisNexis and we are working on >> developing the capabilities that you request. Unfortunately, as is the >> case within many large operations, it takes time to both fund and >> implement such changes to a system. We are very aware that user >> expectations are everchanging and that we need to respond to these >> issues. >> From CreechA at cwu.EDU Thu Apr 14 14:43:58 2005 From: CreechA at cwu.EDU (Anna Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] LexisNexis responds to request for direct linking... Message-ID: I hate to rain on your parade, but I doubt that Lexis Nexis will actually implement some sort of OpenURL or direct linking. I asked about it two years ago and was told that their database infrastructure couldn't support that level of linking. In addition, since libraries are such a small portion of their customer base, they had little incentive to invest in the technology and labor. Anna ----------------------------------- Anna L. Creech, MLS Serials & Electronic Resources Librarian Central Washington University Serials Department - Library 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-1718 From HYu3 at exchange.calstatela.edu Thu Apr 14 15:20:45 2005 From: HYu3 at exchange.calstatela.edu (Yu, Holly) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: opacs for children Message-ID: <86F2555BA9B049448F4CF1C22D833F2507B784BD@exchange.calstatela.edu> You can find Jamshid's presentation at the ALA/CLA joint conference 2003 at http://www.calstatela.edu/library/ALA/ala-claOPAC.htm You can also find other presentations from the same conference session on OPAC interface design on this page. Holly Yu Library Web Administrator / Reference Librarian University Library California State University, Los Angeles 5151 State University Dr. Los Angeles, CA 90032 Tel: (323) 343-4993 Fax: (323) 343-5600 Email: hyu3@calstatela.edu -----Original Message----- From: Michael Shochet [mailto:mshochet@ubalt.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: opacs for children A few years ago at an American Libraries Association/Canadian Libraries Association joint conference I saw a prof. Jamshid Beheshti of McGill University talk about work he was doing on designing interfaces for children. His worked focused on the design of "portal" for children, but I would think his research would be applicable to OPAC design as well. He has a vitae, which includes citations of articles he has authored on designing web interfaces for children, available online: http://www.gslis.mcgill.ca/Beheshti_CV.htm Michael Shochet Systems/Reference Librarian Langsdale Library, University of Baltimore http://langsdale.ubalt.edu/ mshochet@ubalt.edu 410-837-4277 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Janine Bendel Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] opacs for children Dear Ms. and Mr., I´m studying library science in berlin (germany) and at the moment I´m writing my master thesis with the topic "opac´s for children". My aim is an international comparison and as a basement I chose the "Best- Practice-Recherche" (Bertelsmann) with the following countries: USA, England, Denmark, Finland and Singapore. Till now I found predominant eldery literature about these topic (f.e. "Bücherschatz" in Hamburg; formerly studies: P. Solomon, V. Walter), not so much in the bibliographies (LISA, LiLi) but also some interesting new projects in the internet (f.e. in Maryland and Denmark). I´ve also talked with many librarians and next I´ll contact some software companies. Can anybody give me some more advices or do you know persons to talk to for me? Thank you! Yours sincerely Janine Bendel ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mike.beccaria at pictometry.com Sat Apr 16 07:45:37 2005 From: mike.beccaria at pictometry.com (Mike Beccaria) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: MS Access data page Message-ID: I'm not sure as to the original message posted on this, but I will reply to the reply;) Regarding accessing databases from web pages etc., this is not hard to do using a scripting language (as mentioned below). I've done it in vbscript and php. I know it can be done with almost all of the others. There are MANY step by step tutorials on the web that can walk you through it. A google search for your language of choice (vbscript, php, perl, ASP, etc.) and "access database" will yield the results you are looking for. If you know next to nothing about scripting/programming (but do know about making web pages, html, etc.), I would think you could make it happen in about a single day of work and learning. I'm not a expert programmer, but I have gone through what you are about to do. If you need any specific help on the problem, I would be happy to help out off list. Just send me an email:-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: A. Bullen [mailto:abullen@ameritech.net] Sent: Sat 4/16/2005 2:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: MS Access data page Liz, I'm probably going about this all wrong, but this is the only option I have right now. We have an MS Access database which we'd like to be able to query (but not update) via the Web. I've been able to build a data access page in Access, but it insists on keeping the path what I originally gave it (a mapped drive), and will not accept a URL. However, most people in the college do not have this drive mapped, nor do they have access to the server. However, the file resides on a publicly accessible Web server. I feel like I'm so close to making it work, but am not quite there. I do not know ASP so that's not an option right now. Does anyone have a suggestion? I am sorry to tell you, but the only non-ASP way *I* know how to do this is through either an ODBC connection (or JDBC, if you're a Java-ite) or something like Perl's DBI system. So, in Perl (ActiveState, on a Win2k server, using ODBC): 1.) You initalize/open the connection-- use Win32::ODBC; my($DSN) = "digitize"; my($db1) = new Win32::ODBC($DSN) || die qq(Cannot open ODBC connection to "$DSN"), Win32::ODBC::Error, "\n"; 2.) You query the database through a SQL query, passed through ODBC-- $query = "SELECT * FROM Digitize WHERE LastName=\'$lastnamequery\' ORDER BY LastName"; $db1->Sql($query); 3.) Read the results into variables-- while ($db1->FetchRow()) { my(%data1) = $db1->DataHash; $itemnumber = $data1{'ItemNumber'}; $typeoffile = $data1{'TypeOfFile'}; $thumbfilename = $data1{'FileName'}; $creator1 = $data1{'Creator1'}; $creator2 = $data1{'Creator2'}; $creator3 = $data1{'Creator3'}; etc. etc. 4.) Display the newly-filled-in variables into a templated HTML form: print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; print < IDA Records beginning with the letter $letter

All IDA Records Beginning with the Letter $letter

..

$imagesourceurl

$locationstr

Detailed Record
Record No. $itemnumber
etc. etc. Poof! Insta-page. Please feel free to contact me off-list if you want to try a Perl solution and want more shiny happy code. Andy Bullen Digital Plumber, Illinois State Library From eric at openly.com Sat Apr 16 12:47:06 2005 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:50 2005 Subject: OpenURL Standard Z39.88 - Approved Message-ID: It's been a long time, but this is good news. At 4:48 PM -0400 4/14/05, Pat Harris wrote: >Dear members, >You'll want to mark this day on your calendar: >The OpenURL standard, NISO Z39.88 - 2004 The OpenURL Framework for >Context-Sensitive Services, >has been approved by the NISO Members and is available now for free >download from the NISO site: >http://www.niso.org/standards/index.htm >ANSI approval is pending. In light of the importance of this >standard to the community we are making this near-final version >available. > >Congratulations, and thanks, to all the members of Committee AX for >all their hard work to craft and complete this standard. >Eric F. Van de Velde, Chairperson of Committee AX (California >Institute of Technology) >Ann Apps (MIMAS-Manchester Computing University of Manchester) >Oren Beit-Arie (ExLibris USA, Inc.) >Karim Boughida (Getty Research Institute) >Karen Coyle (California Digital Library, University of California, retired) >Todd Fegan (ProQuest Information and Learning) >Tony Hammond (Nature Publishing) >Eric Hellman (Openly Informatics, Inc.) >Mike Hoover (ProQuest Information and Learning) >Lou Knecht (National Library of Medicine) >Larry Lannom [Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI)] >Clifford Morgan, NISO SDC Liaison to SC AX (John Wiley & Sons Ltd.) >Mark H. Needleman (SIRSI Corporation) >Eamonn Neylon (Manifest Solutions) >Philip Norman (OCLC, Inc.) >Oliver Pesch (EBSCO Information Services) >Harry Samuels (Endeavor Information Systems, Inc.) >Herbert Van de Sompel (Los Alamos National Laboratory) > > > > >************************************ >Pat Harris >Executive Director >NISO >4733 Bethesda Avenue, Suite 300 >Bethesda, MD 20814 USA >T: 301-654-2512 ** Direct line: 301-654-1474** Mobile: 202-258-3296 >Fax: 301-654-1721 ** Email: pharris@niso.org >www.niso.org -- Eric Hellman, President Openly Informatics, Inc. eric@openly.com 2 Broad St., 2nd Floor tel 1-973-509-7800 fax 1-734-468-6216 Bloomfield, NJ 07003 http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Apr 16 16:31:19 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OpenURL Standard Z39.88 - Approved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050416203120.5B3AE25535@frontend3.messagingengine.com> Interesting. I read on the site, "The proposed OpenURL standard is syntax to create web-transportable packages of metadata and/or identifiers about an information object. Such packages are at the core of context-sensitive or open link technology, which has recently become available in scholarly information systems. By standardizing the syntax, we will enable many other innovative user-specific services in this and other information fields." Do we have three or four "show me" examples to explain this to people unfamiliar with the standard? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From eric at openly.com Sat Apr 16 18:10:41 2005 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: OpenURL Standard Z39.88 - Approved In-Reply-To: <20050416203120.5B3AE25535@frontend3.messagingengine.com> References: <20050416203120.5B3AE25535@frontend3.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Most people on the list are probably familiar with the use of OpenURL to link to full-text journal articles in libraries. The just-approved OpenURL NISO (and thus ANSI) Standard does the following 1. it cleans up some loose ends for the journal article and book linking applications (versioning and identification, primarily). 2. it adds metadata sets to enable open linking for patents, dissertations and "dublin core" objects. so now you can use openurl to link to Abraham Lincoln's patent, Stephen Hawking's PH.D Thesis, and other stuff. 3. it provides machinery that enables communities to define extensions for new types of subject matter. This last is most needing of a "show me" examples. example areas where open linking could prove useful - links to musical works and performances - links to stock information - links to legal cases - links to biological organisms - links to scriptural passages - links to major league baseball players but I'm not holding my breath. At 1:35 PM -0700 4/16/05, K.G. Schneider wrote: >Interesting. I read on the site, "The proposed OpenURL standard is syntax to >create web-transportable packages of metadata and/or identifiers about an >information object. Such packages are at the core of context-sensitive or >open link technology, which has recently become available in scholarly >information systems. By standardizing the syntax, we will enable many other >innovative user-specific services in this and other information fields." > >Do we have three or four "show me" examples to explain this to people >unfamiliar with the standard? > >Karen G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com -- Eric Hellman, President Openly Informatics, Inc. eric@openly.com 2 Broad St., 2nd Floor tel 1-973-509-7800 fax 1-734-468-6216 Bloomfield, NJ 07003 http://www.openly.com/1cate/ 1 Click Access To Everything From jcrockett at ureach.com Sat Apr 16 19:17:41 2005 From: jcrockett at ureach.com (J Crockett) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] MS Access data page Message-ID: <000301c542da$7d230d00$0502a8c0@BAYCT> Liz, If the publicly accessible Web server, where the file resides, has FrontPage extensions and you have Microsoft FrontPage installed on your computer, there are wizards in FrontPage that will create the database results ASP Pages for you. Your database file must be in a "fpdb" directory on the Web server. Open a new page in your FrontPage, click "Insert" - "Database" - "Results", and the wizard will open to create a connection to the database. That will walk you through creating the query you want, or you can paste the SQL code for the query from MSAcccess as a custom query in the wizard. More customization is possible than is apparent. Play around with it and you'll find other solutions. In the process, you could learn some ASP from examining the page source. Joleen -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of LizPerlman.7901733@bloglines.com Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] MS Access data page I'm probably going about this all wrong, but this is the only option I have right now. We have an MS Access database which we'd like to be able to query (but not update) via the Web. I've been able to build a data access page in Access, but it insists on keeping the path what I originally gave it (a mapped drive), and will not accept a URL. However, most people in the college do not have this drive mapped, nor do they have access to the server. However, the file resides on a publicly accessible Web server. I feel like I'm so close to making it work, but am not quite there. I do not know ASP so that's not an option right now. Does anyone have a suggestion? Liz Perlman, MSLIS Systems Librarian Specker Memorial Library Calumet College of St. Joseph 2400 New York Avenue Whiting, IN 46394 219-473-4374 (office) 219-473-4259 (fax) eperlman@ccsj.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Apr 21 10:04:53 2005 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: Google Maps UK Message-ID: For those of you who can't believe that Heathrow Airport is so far out of London central, here is proof: You guessed it, as seen on Peter Scott's Library Blog , Google Maps UK is now available. I can hardly wait for Google Maps Crete. Roy From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 10:07:17 2005 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: African American Genealogy Basics with the Newberry Library Message-ID: <20050421140717.94347.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Thursday, April 21, 2005 beginning at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 2:00 Central, 1:00 Mountain, Noon Pacific, and 7:00 p.m. GMT: African-American Genealogy Basics Researching African-American ancestors poses a unique set of problems for family historians. Jack Simpson, genealogy curator at the Newberry Library in Chicago, will give an overview of genealogy research techniques with a focus on African-American sources. The talk will cover basic genealogy sources, such as the U. S. census and vital records. It will also examine more advanced sources, such as the records of the Freedmen’s Bureau. Jack Simpson is the Curator of Local and Family History at the Newberry Library in Chicago. Before coming to the Newberry, he worked at The Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan and the Reuther Library at Wayne State University in Detroit. In addition to his work as a reference librarian, Jack teaches several seminars in genealogy at the Newberry Library. To attend go to http://www.tcconference.com/lib/?auditorium&nopass_field=1 type your name and click enter to go into the online auditorium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dempseyl at oclc.org Thu Apr 21 10:40:42 2005 From: dempseyl at oclc.org (Dempsey,Lorcan) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK Message-ID: <632EDB1E16D4E041A0EF1DB3ADF67B2B01295BC0@OAEXCH1SERVER.oa.oclc.org> We were looking at this yesterday .. Currently the Google Maps 'universe' has UK/Ireland and North America in it. It is a slightly surreal experience 'spinning the globe' (you can 'drag' all the way around) and seeing large empty spaces with the small Islands of the North Atlantic (UK/Ireland) and the large North America as the only landing points. Columbus would hit North America by sailing in either direction from the UK ;-) The combination of Google Maps and Google Local is pretty impressive. You can do a variety of types of searches where you have incomplete information and be offered potential locations. For example a search on 'lorcan' and 'columbus' will give you OCLC pinpointed on the map. Not the most useful search maybe ;-) but you get the idea ... A search on 'strawberry cake' and 'Columbus' will show you the name and location of the couple of branches of the local bakery whose specialty this is (albeit among other results). It also allows you to take a URL for your position at any stage. So the above is http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lorcan+columbus&ll=40.098700,-83.124700&sp n=0.432617,0.669499&hl=en We live south of the Park of Roses in Columbus - I started with a broader map of columbus and 'dragged/zoomed' there and asked for a url: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbus+oh+43214&ll=40.040344,-83.022920& spn=0.013519,0.020922&hl=en See what I mean about Columbus at: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.625000,-38.411526&spn=56.875000,116.31 3039&hl=en. If you try to get driving instructions from the US to the UK though it returns a message that it cannot do this for you ...... ;-) Check out http://www.paulrademacher.com/housing/ for an interesting 'blend' of services .... Clearly, this is suggestive of other services including library services .... Lorcan Lorcan Dempsey [http://orweblog.oclc.org] OCLC Research [http://www.oclc.org/research/] -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK For those of you who can't believe that Heathrow Airport is so far out of London central, here is proof: You guessed it, as seen on Peter Scott's Library Blog , Google Maps UK is now available. I can hardly wait for Google Maps Crete. Roy From scott at lights.com Thu Apr 21 11:00:33 2005 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The URLs that this creates are horribly long and not great for e-mail. I would suggest that when quoting them you use a URL shortening service. There is a bunch of them at: http://www.lights.com/weblogs/shorterurls.html I like TinyURL.com From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Apr 21 11:10:55 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: Database pages- how to Message-ID: <200504211010.AA11731052@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> I'm creating a set of pages for access to our online subscription databases and would be interested in seeing how others organized their pages. please note: I don't do database programming, so I'm presently limited in terms of what I can do. Two examples I'm presently looking at are: http://www.wcpl.lib.oh.us/databases/index.htm and http://www.win.org/library/lanmenu/ TIA for sharing! -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Apr 21 11:40:08 2005 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: Google Print article in MIT magazine Message-ID: "Does Google's plan to digitize millions of print books spell the death of libraries-or their rebirth?" Roush, Wade. The Infinite Library. Technology Review. May 2005. http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/05/issue/feature_library.asp Technology Review is described as "MIT's magazine of innovation". Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Thu Apr 21 11:44:56 2005 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK Message-ID: <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E01BBC279@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> Looking at the URLs given on this thread, I wonder if I can start using latitude/longitude as my work address, even down to the exact location of my cubicle. Or we can utilize this GIS stuff to pin point public PCs location, a book shelf or book location. I'd very much like that idea. GIS is a cool stuff. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) From mcreech at jhu.edu Thu Apr 21 11:51:13 2005 From: mcreech at jhu.edu (Michael Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Google Maps UK Message-ID: Another mapping tool that has good coverage of the UK and mainland Europe is MultiMap.com (http://www.multimap.com/). It includes a good bit of information about the map and local area for which you searched. Maybe Google will include more of this type of information as a part of its service when Google Maps is no longer a beta service. Mike -- Mike Creech, MILS Web Development Coordinator The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.0632 (p) 410.516.5339 (f) >>> "Dempsey,Lorcan" 04/21/05 10:42 AM >>> We were looking at this yesterday .. Currently the Google Maps 'universe' has UK/Ireland and North America in it. It is a slightly surreal experience 'spinning the globe' (you can 'drag' all the way around) and seeing large empty spaces with the small Islands of the North Atlantic (UK/Ireland) and the large North America as the only landing points. Columbus would hit North America by sailing in either direction from the UK ;-) The combination of Google Maps and Google Local is pretty impressive. You can do a variety of types of searches where you have incomplete information and be offered potential locations. For example a search on 'lorcan' and 'columbus' will give you OCLC pinpointed on the map. Not the most useful search maybe ;-) but you get the idea ... A search on 'strawberry cake' and 'Columbus' will show you the name and location of the couple of branches of the local bakery whose specialty this is (albeit among other results). It also allows you to take a URL for your position at any stage. So the above is http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lorcan+columbus&ll=40.098700,-83.124700&sp n=0.432617,0.669499&hl=en We live south of the Park of Roses in Columbus - I started with a broader map of columbus and 'dragged/zoomed' there and asked for a url: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbus+oh+43214&ll=40.040344,-83.022920& spn=0.013519,0.020922&hl=en See what I mean about Columbus at: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.625000,-38.411526&spn=56.875000,116.31 3039&hl=en. If you try to get driving instructions from the US to the UK though it returns a message that it cannot do this for you ...... ;-) Check out http://www.paulrademacher.com/housing/ for an interesting 'blend' of services .... Clearly, this is suggestive of other services including library services .... Lorcan Lorcan Dempsey [http://orweblog.oclc.org] OCLC Research [http://www.oclc.org/research/] -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK For those of you who can't believe that Heathrow Airport is so far out of London central, here is proof: You guessed it, as seen on Peter Scott's Library Blog , Google Maps UK is now available. I can hardly wait for Google Maps Crete. Roy From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Apr 21 12:01:35 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: learning db programming- tips Message-ID: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Andrew Darby wrote: >Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >blush . . . . Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as dirt about it! Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Apr 21 12:16:13 2005 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: I realize the message below may spawn a string of messages from LAMP (linux, apache, mysql, php or other favorite 'p' language - perl, python) adherents, but I wanted to chime in and say that there is still a lot to be said for exposing "desktop" databases on the web -- for example, FileMaker Pro. These can be dead easy to get going and provide a familiar windowed interface to managing the database. Whereas many people would run screaming into the night when faced with raw MySQL or even MySQL front-ends like phpMyAdmin, this may provide a useable solution. In other words, solve simple problems simply, and only get more complex as your needs demand. Roy On Apr 21, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Karen Davis wrote: > Andrew Darby wrote: >> Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. >> I >> know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >> handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >> blush . . . . > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm > dumb as dirt about it! > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What > software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > > From wsgrah at wm.edu Thu Apr 21 12:21:49 2005 From: wsgrah at wm.edu (Wayne Graham) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <4267D31D.8000203@wm.edu> Without knowing your programming background, here are a few tips to get started: Get a Safari account (http://safari.oreilly.com/). There are a lot of books and other resources in there that will help you get started and answer very advanced questions. My favorite IDE for database programming is Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org) with the MyEclipse plugin (http://www.myeclipseide.com). I also like the Azzuri Clay plugin for ER modeling (http://www.azzurri.jp/en/software/clay/). I've also used this for data modeling: http://www.utexas.edu/its/windows/database/datamodeling/ HTH, Wayne Karen Davis wrote: > Andrew Darby wrote: > >>Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >>know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >>handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >>blush . . . . > > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as dirt about it! > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > -- Wayne Graham Earl Gregg Swem Library College of William and Mary PO Box 8794 757.221.3112 http://swem.wm.edu/blogs/waynegraham From LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us Thu Apr 21 12:28:52 2005 From: LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us (Scritchfield, Larry) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips Message-ID: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B10F23E1A@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> If you do feel like getting into MySQL, Understanding SQL by Martin Gruber (Sybex 1990) is a good introduction. It teaches the down and dirty command line interface, but the knowledge is portable to lots of SQL-like databases. Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Karen Davis Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips Andrew Darby wrote: >Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >blush . . . . Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as dirt about it! Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From randy.norwood at ttu.edu Thu Apr 21 12:43:24 2005 From: randy.norwood at ttu.edu (Randy Norwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: I'm partial to Perl or PHP with a MySQL database, but since you're using Dreamweaver, you might consider another Macromedia product, Cold Fusion, for the application layer (instead of Perl/PHP/ASP). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/ I had a week long training course in CF about 4 years ago, and found that it's not my cup of tea-- I preferred not working with HTML-like tags to do everything. But CF received a lot of positive comments from developers in a recent Slashdot article on J2EE development, Whatever software you choose, try to set up a complete database/application/website environment on your PC or laptop. It makes development quicker and easier, and less likely to cause problems for existing production apps on a server. On 04/21/05 11:03 AM, "Karen Davis" wrote: > Andrew Darby wrote: >> Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >> know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >> handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >> blush . . . . > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as > dirt about it! > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I > need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 21 12:48:48 2005 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree that a desktop db is a good place to start learning and I'm a big advocate of Microsoft Access (although not generally a Microsoft advocate). There is an excellent, clear, and approachable introductory book by Mark Whitehorn and Bill Marklyn called "Inside Relational Databases" and it uses Access as a teaching tool for non-specialists. Even if you don't use Access this is a great book to start with. Chris "The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning and does not stop until you get into the office." -Robert Frost On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Roy Tennant wrote: > I realize the message below may spawn a string of messages from LAMP > (linux, apache, mysql, php or other favorite 'p' language - perl, > python) adherents, but I wanted to chime in and say that there is still > a lot to be said for exposing "desktop" databases on the web -- for > example, FileMaker Pro. These can be dead easy to get going and provide > a familiar windowed interface to managing the database. Whereas many > people would run screaming into the night when faced with raw MySQL or > even MySQL front-ends like phpMyAdmin, this may provide a useable > solution. In other words, solve simple problems simply, and only get > more complex as your needs demand. > Roy > > On Apr 21, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Karen Davis wrote: > > > Andrew Darby wrote: > >> Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. > >> I > >> know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to > >> handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first > >> blush . . . . > > > > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm > > dumb as dirt about it! > > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What > > software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > > > > -- > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Karen Davis, Coordinator > > Center for Community Networking & > > Web Administrator > > Lawrence Public Library > > 707 Vermont Street > > Lawrence, KS 66044 > > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > > > -- > > > > > > From stephen_meyer at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 21 12:49:14 2005 From: stephen_meyer at ncsu.edu (Stephen Meyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <4267D98A.5000809@ncsu.edu> If starting with a knowledge of HTML (and guessing at the database and scripting capabilities available to you), I would recommend the O'Reilly book Web database applications with PHP and MySQL by Hugh E. Williams and David Lane. It will provide an overview of both PHP and MySQL and how they are integrated with a server in a web environment. The book is based on an example/tutorial model. After that your ready reference sources might be things like http://php.net/ and http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/index.html. These were some of the main resources that got me up and running. -steve Karen Davis wrote: > Andrew Darby wrote: > >>Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >>know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >>handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >>blush . . . . > > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as dirt about it! > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > > -- _____________________________________________ Stephen Meyer NCSU Libraries Fellow North Carolina State University Home Dept: Textiles Project Dept: Systems Phone: 919.513.3862 Phone: 919.515.7694 Fax: 919.515.3926 Fax: 919.513.3330 stephen_meyer@ncsu.edu _____________________________________________ From abullen at ameritech.net Thu Apr 21 12:58:06 2005 From: abullen at ameritech.net (A. Bullen) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: <4267DB9E.7050304@ameritech.net> Karen, If you'd like actual ActiveState Perl code and step by step instructions for how to connect an Access db to a Win2K server, please let me know. I will walk you through the steps. Andrew Bullen Illinois State Library From JOHNMA at ci.commerce.ca.us Thu Apr 21 13:13:00 2005 From: JOHNMA at ci.commerce.ca.us (JOHN MARQUETTE) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Google Maps UK Message-ID: <8F2F9EFDDDA6524AA5ACB4B8995A46FAD89599@xchange.ci.commerce.ca.us> IMHO, Google will just buy MultiMap. Look what they did with KeyHole. (Opinions expressed are my own and not representative of the City of Commerce, the County of Los Angeles, or the State of California.) John Marquette City of Commerce Public Library Commerce, CA 90040 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michael Creech Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Google Maps UK Another mapping tool that has good coverage of the UK and mainland Europe is MultiMap.com (http://www.multimap.com/). It includes a good bit of information about the map and local area for which you searched. Maybe Google will include more of this type of information as a part of its service when Google Maps is no longer a beta service. Mike -- Mike Creech, MILS Web Development Coordinator The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.0632 (p) 410.516.5339 (f) >>> "Dempsey,Lorcan" 04/21/05 10:42 AM >>> We were looking at this yesterday .. Currently the Google Maps 'universe' has UK/Ireland and North America in it. It is a slightly surreal experience 'spinning the globe' (you can 'drag' all the way around) and seeing large empty spaces with the small Islands of the North Atlantic (UK/Ireland) and the large North America as the only landing points. Columbus would hit North America by sailing in either direction from the UK ;-) The combination of Google Maps and Google Local is pretty impressive. You can do a variety of types of searches where you have incomplete information and be offered potential locations. For example a search on 'lorcan' and 'columbus' will give you OCLC pinpointed on the map. Not the most useful search maybe ;-) but you get the idea ... A search on 'strawberry cake' and 'Columbus' will show you the name and location of the couple of branches of the local bakery whose specialty this is (albeit among other results). It also allows you to take a URL for your position at any stage. So the above is http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lorcan+columbus&ll=40.098700,-83.124700&sp n=0.432617,0.669499&hl=en We live south of the Park of Roses in Columbus - I started with a broader map of columbus and 'dragged/zoomed' there and asked for a url: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbus+oh+43214&ll=40.040344,-83.022920& spn=0.013519,0.020922&hl=en See what I mean about Columbus at: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.625000,-38.411526&spn=56.875000,116.31 3039&hl=en. If you try to get driving instructions from the US to the UK though it returns a message that it cannot do this for you ...... ;-) Check out http://www.paulrademacher.com/housing/ for an interesting 'blend' of services .... Clearly, this is suggestive of other services including library services .... Lorcan Lorcan Dempsey [http://orweblog.oclc.org] OCLC Research [http://www.oclc.org/research/] -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Roy Tennant Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Maps UK For those of you who can't believe that Heathrow Airport is so far out of London central, here is proof: You guessed it, as seen on Peter Scott's Library Blog , Google Maps UK is now available. I can hardly wait for Google Maps Crete. Roy From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Thu Apr 21 13:22:52 2005 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips Message-ID: <9871F0C990DF9B4681F1EB312A4D02F829B084@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> If you use DWMX04, that can create the pages for you with a little setup. What kind of database are you connecting to? It can connect to mysql and use php for example, which is what I use. An example of one of our early pages: http://www.libraries.uc.edu/research/articles/inda_browse.php Let me know if you want more info. Lisa Pons-Haitz Webmaster University Libraries University of Cincinnati lisa.pons@uc.edu (513)556-1431 > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Davis [mailto:kdavis@lawrence.lib.ks.us] > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips > > > Andrew Darby wrote: > >Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect > with PHP. I > >know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the > best way to > >handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first > >blush . . . . > > > Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): > more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, > but I'm dumb as dirt about it! > Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? > What software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Apr 21 14:00:38 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: how to get it all done Message-ID: <200504211300.AA23396382@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Unfortunately, all I know how to do is create stand-alone web pages. I can see that I'm going to be swamped if I continue this way. I don't have a content management system for staff to use (e.g. Contribute). Each new set of pages I consider creating is now making me *cringe*. Too much repetitive work! How can I do all this as efficiently as possible? I I've recommended Contribute 3 to help distribute the content maintenance work among department staff (who are willing ot do it), but am told there are security issues which make it unfeasible, since we don't have an in-house staging server (just ftp to an ISP). You all know a great deal more than I do, so, if you could suggest how I should recommend that this be set up to run efficiently, I would be grateful! What do I need? Thanks again very much for your advice. ++++++++++++++++++ Current tools and setup for the web site: * Dreamweaver MX 2004, Photoshop 6 * one user account at an ISP with ftp connection * Forms handled with a Perl script (maintained by a techie as necessary, not me) ++++++++++++++++++ -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org Thu Apr 21 14:05:02 2005 From: alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org (Alnisa Allgood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: At 9:02 AM -0700 4/21/05, Karen Davis wrote: >Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): >more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but >I'm dumb as dirt about it! >Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What >software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) Two books that should be on every web and database programmers bookshelf, regardless of expertise level are both by Michael J Hernandez. Database Design for Mere mortals, and SQL Queries for Mere Mortals. Database Design offers the basics of relational database theory in a simple, easy-to-understand , software independent approach. The principles are solid. The tips and tricks are useful. I also recommend it to a number of clients who are exploring the idea of a custom-built database system. Doesn't matter if they hire me or some other developer, if they know some of the basics, the process is just a whole lot easier and more meaningful for both us. SQL Queries has become my new bible. I use it in conjunction with other books, but its best use, is for helping me breakdown a problem, by starting with a spoken word question, expanding to get all the if, thens or buts, then walking through that final sentence/statement to produce a SQL Query. This approach has even made cross-tabulations in SQL fairly easy to produce. You can still use DreamWeaver to create pages that interact with a database. The biggest issue will be the lack of local data. Most DW developers are just use to having their data on the page. The biggest difference to programming with a database is that the page is just a shell, instead of your data being on the page just a query to retrieve the data (and code to manipulate it, will display. But the benefits are great; and you don't have to be a super programming to get started. Alnisa From alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org Thu Apr 21 14:08:22 2005 From: alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org (Alnisa Allgood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] learning db programming- tips In-Reply-To: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211101.AA6226038@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: At 9:02 AM -0700 4/21/05, Karen Davis wrote: >Andrew Darby wrote: >>Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >>know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >>handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >>blush . . . . > > >Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): >more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but >I'm dumb as dirt about it! >Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What >software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) > I forgot to add, despite my book recommendations (which I still highly recommend). I also recommend, exploring a content management system. There are a slew of them, and they will save you tons of time reinventing the wheel. Alnisa From KevilL at missouri.edu Thu Apr 21 14:18:16 2005 From: KevilL at missouri.edu (Kevil, L H.) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: learning db programming- tips Message-ID: Not to denigrate Mike Hernandez' book, but I have found Steven Roman's Access Database Design & Programming shorter and more useful. L. Hunter KEVIL Collection Development Librarian University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, Missouri 65201 KevilL@missouri.edu 573-884-8760 Knowledge is one of the few things that can be given to others without reducing the amount you have left. (Thomas Sowell) "The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning and does not stop until you get into the office." -Robert Frost -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Alnisa Allgood Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: learning db programming- tips At 9:02 AM -0700 4/21/05, Karen Davis wrote: >Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): >more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but >I'm dumb as dirt about it! >Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What >software do I need? (I use DW MX 2004 to create web pages) Two books that should be on every web and database programmers bookshelf, regardless of expertise level are both by Michael J Hernandez. Database Design for Mere mortals, and SQL Queries for Mere Mortals. Database Design offers the basics of relational database theory in a simple, easy-to-understand , software independent approach. The principles are solid. The tips and tricks are useful. I also recommend it to a number of clients who are exploring the idea of a custom-built database system. Doesn't matter if they hire me or some other developer, if they know some of the basics, the process is just a whole lot easier and more meaningful for both us. SQL Queries has become my new bible. I use it in conjunction with other books, but its best use, is for helping me breakdown a problem, by starting with a spoken word question, expanding to get all the if, thens or buts, then walking through that final sentence/statement to produce a SQL Query. This approach has even made cross-tabulations in SQL fairly easy to produce. You can still use DreamWeaver to create pages that interact with a database. The biggest issue will be the lack of local data. Most DW developers are just use to having their data on the page. The biggest difference to programming with a database is that the page is just a shell, instead of your data being on the page just a query to retrieve the data (and code to manipulate it, will display. But the benefits are great; and you don't have to be a super programming to get started. Alnisa From araby at unr.edu Thu Apr 21 14:39:06 2005 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Y Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done Message-ID: <1D3A202EC3CD41469F6CF5F2675903BBF2C7C4@UNRX.unr.edu> Glasshaus publishes some good readable books in their "Tools of the Trade" series about databases, CSS, web forms, CMS, and Dreamweaver/Contribute. I would recommend: Auld, Chris, et al. Practical Database Design for the Web. Glasshaus, 2002. 1-904151-20-5. In spite of the 2002 pub. Date, this book is generic enough to be very useful. It's a good database and platform neutral intro to SQL. Anything by Scott Mitchell (4GuysFromRolla.com fame) on ASP or ASP.Net is well written, understandable, and proofread. -araby __________________________ Araby Greene Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 University of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ araby@unr.edu 775.784.6500 x343 /| \'o.O' =(___)= U ACK! THPTPHH! -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Karen Davis Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done Unfortunately, all I know how to do is create stand-alone web pages. I can see that I'm going to be swamped if I continue this way. I don't have a content management system for staff to use (e.g. Contribute). Each new set of pages I consider creating is now making me *cringe*. Too much repetitive work! How can I do all this as efficiently as possible? I I've recommended Contribute 3 to help distribute the content maintenance work among department staff (who are willing ot do it), but am told there are security issues which make it unfeasible, since we don't have an in-house staging server (just ftp to an ISP). You all know a great deal more than I do, so, if you could suggest how I should recommend that this be set up to run efficiently, I would be grateful! What do I need? Thanks again very much for your advice. ++++++++++++++++++ Current tools and setup for the web site: * Dreamweaver MX 2004, Photoshop 6 * one user account at an ISP with ftp connection * Forms handled with a Perl script (maintained by a techie as necessary, not me) ++++++++++++++++++ -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Thu Apr 21 15:14:43 2005 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done Message-ID: <9871F0C990DF9B4681F1EB312A4D02F829B085@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> Not sure what they mean by security issues? Security in terms of not wanting people to edit directly on the site? Security with them logging into the site? Extraneous/bad code added? We have 25 people editing on Contribute 3 who connect using SFTP, and there are a few things we did to cut down on errors and to protect the code, etc...Some of these ideas would benefit you in updating and maintaining your pages as well. They are: -Dreamweaver Templates:(locks down areas of the page so that it cannot be edited in Contribute). We have used template parameters as well, which allows our editors freedom, but again, protects the page. An example would be, where editors can decide to have a small "help" box display on their page or not by accessing the template parameter with Contribute, and simply checking the right box. Then, on the html page, the box appears where the cascading style sheets tell it to, with the content the editor has put in. So, editors have control of content, IT has control of code. Additionally, if you base your pages on a template, you can update all your pages at once. You can even have options on or off, or use nested templates. We have 4 levels of nested templates, with one template at the top controlling thousands of pages. -SSI's: many of the common areas are in include files, which make updates easier and insure that the snippets are not changed from one page to the next by Contribute. -CSS: Consistency for all editors is achieved by setting the styles in cascading style sheets, so that editors have the freedom to format their page, but that format is consistent across the site. (for example,

has the same font and color everywhere). Of course, a content management system would be better, but for many reasons, our organization cant going that route yet, so this was the second best bet. Additionally, getting some extensions for Dreamweaver, all free, allows you to use a GUI interface to have dreamweaver do some simple dynamic pages. Although, you do need to understand how to setup the database, and some SQL is helpful as well. Lisa Pons-Haitz Webmaster University Libraries University of Cincinnati lisa.pons@uc.edu (513)556-1431 > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Davis [mailto:kdavis@lawrence.lib.ks.us] > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done > > > Unfortunately, all I know how to do is create stand-alone web > pages. I can see that I'm going to be swamped if I continue > this way. I don't have a content management system for staff > to use (e.g. Contribute). Each new set of pages I consider > creating is now making me *cringe*. Too much repetitive work! > How can I do all this as efficiently as possible? I > > I've recommended Contribute 3 to help distribute the content > maintenance work among department staff (who are willing ot > do it), but am told there are security issues which make it > unfeasible, since we don't have an in-house staging server > (just ftp to an ISP). > > You all know a great deal more than I do, so, if you could > suggest how I should recommend that this be set up to run > efficiently, I would be grateful! What do I need? > > Thanks again very much for your advice. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > Current tools and setup for the web site: > * Dreamweaver MX 2004, Photoshop 6 > * one user account at an ISP with ftp connection > * Forms handled with a Perl script (maintained by a techie as > necessary, not me) > ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Apr 21 15:22:36 2005 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: how to get it all done In-Reply-To: <9871F0C990DF9B4681F1EB312A4D02F829B085@ucmail8.ad.uc.edu> Message-ID: <20050421192232.73BC3AE@frontend3.messagingengine.com> > Of course, a content management system would be better, but for many > reasons, our organization cant going that route yet, so this was the > second > best bet. You can have a good CMS and still defeat it by poor human management. Lisa shows that intelligent oversight and clear guidance is still the most crucial part of any "system." Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us Thu Apr 21 15:57:50 2005 From: kdavis at lawrence.lib.ks.us (Karen Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: how to get it all done Message-ID: <200504211457.AA14483618@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Thanks for all the good info! I think I'm getting the picture. See below- Lisa wrote: >Not sure what they mean by security issues? >Security in terms of not wanting >people to edit directly on the site? Yes, however I explained the way Contribute works with Write/Publish permissions, so that really shouldn't be a problem, correct? >Security with them logging into the >site? Yes, they say that ftp can't be made secure, no matter what you do. Hmm, you're using it... have you had any problems with hacks related to Contribute? >Extraneous/bad code added? Well, they talked vaguely about people being able to "muck up" the pages. >-Dreamweaver Templates: Yes, I depend on Templates pretty much totally. >-SSI's: I have used SSI's, but now rely mostly on library items. Question: In your opinion, what advantages do ssi's have over DW Library Items? >-CSS: Yes, I use CSS exclusively, so that isn't a problem. I guess you're helping me think through what IS the problem: that I'm the only one doing conatent maintenance and development! I'm gonna ask for Contribute again. I don't think it makes sense for me to be doing every blessed keystroke. What's worse, Contribute had been purchased and was in house. But then IT objected "for security reasons" and suggested that pages could be "Edited in Word" from the Internet Explorer browser. I've looked into that enough to know that that is a terible suggestion. >Additionally, getting some extensions for Dreamweaver, all free, allows you >to use a GUI interface to have dreamweaver do some simple dynamic pages. Could you please suggest which DW extensions which you consider particularly useful? >Although, you do need to understand how to setup the database, and some SQL >is helpful as well. That was my original db question earlier this morning. So I have to settle on a db software first, right? Would PHP be the easiest for me? THANK YOU -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen Davis, Coordinator Center for Community Networking & Web Administrator Lawrence Public Library 707 Vermont Street Lawrence, KS 66044 785.843.3833 ext. 104 -- From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 21 16:29:59 2005 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done In-Reply-To: <200504211300.AA23396382@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211300.AA23396382@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: It definitely sounds like you are looking for a content management solution rather than getting into the nitty-gritty of database development. Given that your Web site is already hosted for you, you might want to look at some of the hosted content management systems that are available. You could start with the list at . I would also emphasize that the biggest factor in content management is not the software but planning how best to use that software. A good place to start is the book form Glashaus "Content Mnagement Systems" in their "Tools of the Trade" series. Chris "The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning and does not stop until you get into the office." -Robert Frost On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Karen Davis wrote: > Unfortunately, all I know how to do is create stand-alone web pages. I can see that I'm going to be swamped if I continue this way. I don't have a content management system for staff to use (e.g. Contribute). Each new set of pages I consider creating is now making me *cringe*. Too much repetitive work! How can I do all this as efficiently as possible? I > > I've recommended Contribute 3 to help distribute the content maintenance work among department staff (who are willing ot do it), but am told there are security issues which make it unfeasible, since we don't have an in-house staging server (just ftp to an ISP). > > You all know a great deal more than I do, so, if you could suggest how I should recommend that this be set up to run efficiently, I would be grateful! What do I need? > > Thanks again very much for your advice. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > Current tools and setup for the web site: > * Dreamweaver MX 2004, Photoshop 6 > * one user account at an ISP with ftp connection > * Forms handled with a Perl script (maintained by a techie as necessary, not me) > ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karen Davis, Coordinator > Center for Community Networking & > Web Administrator > Lawrence Public Library > 707 Vermont Street > Lawrence, KS 66044 > 785.843.3833 ext. 104 > > -- > From kim_mlis at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 21 16:52:32 2005 From: kim_mlis at yahoo.ca (Amritha) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: Editorial - Copyright Ownership in Blogs Message-ID: <20050421205232.18991.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> (Cross-posted; please excuse duplication.) The Editorial by Lesley Ellen Harris in Volume 2005, Issue 1, The Copyright & New Media Law Newsletter, deals with copyright ownership in blogs - it is reproduced below. For further information on this print newsletter, see www.copyrightlaws.com . Sincerely, Amritha amritha@copyrightslaws.com Editorial - Copyright Ownership in Blogs The Internet continually forces us to test the application and flexibility of current copyright law to new modes of communications and media. The Internet has already spawned debate and lawsuits about hyper-linking, P2P file sharing, and the removal of copyright management information and technological protections. A newer Internet activity, blogging resulting in Weblogs, is now being discussed in the copyright arena. A blog is basically a stream of consciousness discussion available to the public at large. Individuals keep these blogs on every topic imaginable. Blogs are original material, and once they are fixed in some form, saved digitally or in a print out, they are protected by copyright in most countries around the world. In fact, they would be protected for 50 to 70 years after an author's death - much beyond the life of any blog itself. Blogs are becoming more popular amongst professionals, and certain employees are even encouraged to create blogs based on their work. This raises interesting issues concerning copyright ownership in the blogs. If an organization requires blogging as part of the duties of an individual, it is likely that the employer owns the content in the blog, just like the employer owns other copyright-protected works created by that employee in the course of employment. However, if the blog is initiated by an individual though it may discuss work-related issues, outside the scope of his employment, who owns the content in the blog? This is comparable to the situation where a professor writes a book related to, but outside the duties, of his instruction. This is often a gray issue in the academic world. University policies that specifically deal with such issues can help clarify the situation. Also, a professor approaching his university prior to writing the book, may be able to clarify the situation, prior to a confrontation. Many companies have yet to develop Weblog Policies, similar to their other integral policies. Thus, employees who discuss work-related activities are generally held to the rule of "good taste" in their discussions, and of course, not spewing any confidential information. As is the case with many Internet-related activities, would a written Weblog Policy contradict the free flowing nature of information in a blog, and perhaps weaken the effectiveness of these blogs? With ownership comes the issue of who may authorize reproduction of the content in a blog. Generally, only the owner may authorize others to reproduce a work. Would this be an organization or an individual? Or should the whole notion of obtaining permission in relation to blog content be mute, since the whole point of the blog is for as many people as possible to access and read it? The blogs by Sun Microsystem employees at blogs.sun.com take what I call a compromise position. These blogs are subject to a Creative Commons License. Thus, the blogs are protected by copyright, however the rights are conveniently set out in a hyper-linked license and are broader than those rights attached to most copyright-protected works. To date, there are no lawsuits relating to ownership, reproduction or re-distribution of the content of blogs. This in itself may be helpful for organizations and individuals who are determining "policies" in this area. And for those bloggers who want their content read as widely as possible, they are free to put a statement on their blogs to the effect that the content may be freely used without permission. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org Thu Apr 21 17:33:41 2005 From: alnisa at nonprofit-tech.org (Alnisa Allgood) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] how to get it all done In-Reply-To: <200504211300.AA23396382@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> References: <200504211300.AA23396382@post.lawrence.lib.ks.us> Message-ID: At 11:01 AM -0700 4/21/05, Karen Davis wrote: >Unfortunately, all I know how to do is create stand-alone web pages. >I can see that I'm going to be swamped if I continue this way. I >don't have a content management system for staff to use (e.g. >Contribute). Each new set of pages I consider creating is now making >me *cringe*. Too much repetitive work! How can I do all this as >efficiently as possible? I > >I've recommended Contribute 3 to help distribute the content >maintenance work among department staff (who are willing ot do it), >but am told there are security issues which make it unfeasible, >since we don't have an in-house staging server (just ftp to an ISP). > >You all know a great deal more than I do, so, if you could suggest >how I should recommend that this be set up to run efficiently, I >would be grateful! What do I need? > Hi Karen- You definitely want a Content Management Solution (CMS). I took a look at your current site, and looked up some backend information on your current host. Kanren.net, your current host does have you on an Apache web server, and I spoke to their systems admin person and they offer access to PHP4 and MySQL, and don't restrict CMS. It also seems that they could help you guys some in selecting and installing a CMS system, though there is probably a fee associated with that. From rapidly going through your website, I don't see anything that couldn't be duplicated in a very good web publishing system, like Expression Engine (EE) http://www.pmachine.com/expressionengine/ rather than a high end CMS. No mistakes, EE is a CMS system, its just not as extensive as say Plone or other high-end/more expensive systems. They don't pay me, but I recommend them a lot. Why, because about a year and a half ago, we were managing a number of our nonprofit clients websites-- some were handcode, some we had developed custom CMS system for, others we were using Movable Type or some other publishing system for. It was a mess and a pain, and I often cringed when clients wanted updates they couldn't handle themselves. The pMachine introduced Expression Engine, and now we've switched 10 of 12 web clients over to it. The clients love being able to add and edit articles at will, and I love that when they contact us, its for something that's actually worth the money they'll be charged. I forget who said it, but planning is really a key component--who has access to what, if all staff can post, is there an official overseer for each content area, do post go live immediately, or get staged for review, etc., etc., etc. Poor human management can cause a slew of regrets. That said though... With an application like Expression Engine, you can have it installed and running in about 15 minutes. Of course that's using a default template, so you'd then have to add time to move your current templates into the system, decide how to break-up content, etc. It sounds hard, but could be done fairly quickly. I could go on, about what to do and how, but you should really look at a few different systems, demo them if possible; then maybe speak with someone at Kanren if you have any questions about what will or won't work on their systems. Then if you need more specific help regarding planning and structure send me an email. Any assistance, I can write up in my free time or when I'm avoiding client projects is available. Alnisa From Joanna.Rumpff at austin.org.au Thu Apr 21 21:55:59 2005 From: Joanna.Rumpff at austin.org.au (RUMPFF, Joanna) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: learning db programming- tips Message-ID: <2D1481AF07590C45AB7B0111DAFBF64C0147F6F0@server35s.armc.org.au> There is a very good site called WebThang at http://www.webthang.co.uk that might be worth a look. It has some great tutorials, particularly for Dreamweaver users that can take you through the entire process from the basics to more complicated stuff - it helped get me up and running with ASP and MS Access, but it also covers PHP, MySQL etc. I found it was a much easier starting place than the half dozen text books I've got. Joanna Rumpff Austin Health Library Heidelberg Vic 3084 Australia > >Andrew Darby wrote: >Both are now running off one MySQL database, and we connect with PHP. I >know you said you didn't do db programming, but it is the best way to >handle this sort of thing, and isn't as hard as it may seem at first >blush . . . . Andrew (or anyone else who wants to chime in): more and more I'm resigned to having to learn db programming, but I'm dumb as dirt about it! Could you please give me some tips on how to get started? What software do I need? 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Austin Health provides no guarantee that this transmission is free of virus or that it has not been intercepted or altered. ***************************************************************** From wprice at panam.edu Thu Apr 21 22:49:15 2005 From: wprice at panam.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed May 18 14:18:54 2005 Subject: Fw: [Libs-Or] [Fwd: Our future??] Message-ID: <049901c546e5$df4d5710$63327181@lib.panam.edu> You saw it here first? (I saw this on the Libs-Or mailing list.) ----- Original Message ----- > This was sent to an OCLC list. I have been thinking about it and am not quite sure what to say. I am curious to know what you might think. > > ============================================================ > > Colleagues, > > At ACRL I learned about an eight-minute st

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