From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Aug 1 08:10:01 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Aug 01 Message-ID: <200408011210.i71CA1x29146@olcfax2.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS August 01, 2004 [Note: I am not the Web4Lib listowner. Please do not send subscription problems to me. - Thomas] This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the list software won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listproc program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listproc@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from listproc reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." This message usually arrives within a few minutes, but may take a couple of hours if the server is busy; if you do not receive it in a reasonable time, you should contact the list owner, Roy Tennant, at roy.tennant@ucop.edu. The software running Web4Lib is currently ListProc 6.0. This is a powerful and flexible program, and it may offer you options for management and receipt of Web4Lib that you did not know about. For further options, send listproc@webjunction.org the message "help", or consult the command reference at the Web4Lib Web site . WHAT HELP IS AVAILABLE IF THE LISTSERV WON'T DO WHAT I WANT? There are two common reasons why the commands above don't work and give you an error message. One is, ahem, operator error. If you're trying to unsubscribe or issue other listproc commands, make sure that you are spelling both the listproc address and the command correctly. The other common reason why unsubscribe and other commands fail is that your e-mail address has changed since you first subscribed to the list. Sometimes this is because you have chosen to forward mail from your original address to a new one. Sometimes this is due to your organization changing its entire e-mail addressing structure en masse (for example, from addresses like "chris@mailhost.domain.org" to "chris@domain.org"). For security reasons, listproc will only process commands affecting your subscription if the command is mailed from the same address as the original subscription request. 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From mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Sun Aug 1 18:54:25 2004 From: mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Hogarth, Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP: Balancing Access, Privacy and Security in Your Organization Message-ID: <3195026BBF3C1140B196176D0EFBF97302D151A9@e2k1.Fullerton.EDU> LACASIS Los Angeles Chapter of the American Society for Information Science & Technology www.lacasis.org What: 2004 LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP Balancing Access, Privacy and Security in Your Organization Friday, October 1, 2004 Kellogg West Conference Center 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Cal Poly Pomona, Pomona, California Why you want attend: * California and National Legislation * Digital Rights Management * Wireless * Digital Reference * RFID: Radio frequency identification * And Much Much More!! Costs: $95 ASIST Members; Early Non-Members (postmarked before 9/1/04); Full-time Students $115 Non-Members (postmarked on or after 9/1/04) Detailed map and driving directions available at: http://www.kelloggwest.org/Location.html 1-800-KWEST-76 Registration: Register Today! ON-SITE REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE! Deadline to Register is 09/17/04 Register by mail with the form below or Register online at www.lacasis.org 2004 LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP REGISTRATION FORM Name___________________________________________________________ Affiliation________________________________________________________ Address_________________________________________________________ City________________________________State______________Zip________ Phone_____________________________Email_________________________ LACASIS Member? YES ____ NO____ Student? YES ____ NO _____ First LACASIS Event? YES ____ NO _____ Make a $25.00 Contribution to the ASIST SIG III Digital Scholar's Fund* YES ____ No____ Amount Enclosed $ _____________ Mail form to: Belinda Beardt, AIM, 900 Wilshire Blvd. Ste. 1424, Los Angeles, CA. 90017 Please make checks payable to LACASIS Watch for your email confirmation! All payments must be received by the registration date indicated. Full refunds will be given for any cancellations prior to that date. LACASIS reserves the right to invoice registered individuals who do not cancel within the specified time period. If you have registration questions, please contact Belinda Beardt at bbeardt@aimusa.com or 213-489-9800. * See http://www.asis.org/SIG/SIGIII/papercontest.htm for more information on the ASIST SIG III Digital Scholar's Fund From MMShutt at richland.lib.sc.us Wed Aug 4 10:16:40 2004 From: MMShutt at richland.lib.sc.us (Shutt, Michelle C. Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: Web Site Policies and Procdures Message-ID: <81B1BFB1E373E941AD105861CE3EF9728F4BE4@mail.richland.lib.sc.us> Apologies for cross-posting... We are in the process of developing a written policies and procedures statement for our Web site and I'm looking for examples. If you have a written policy regarding your Web Site (that details, for example, purpose, responsibility for development, maintenance and content, etc.) and would be willing to share it, I'd be very grateful. Please respond off-list. Thanks, Michelle _________________________ Michelle C. Miller Shutt Web Development Librarian Richland County Public Library 2001 Library of the Year 1431 Assembly Street, Columbia, SC 29201 http://www.richland.lib.sc.us (803) 929-3445 From mtruitt at uh.edu Wed Aug 4 12:34:58 2004 From: mtruitt at uh.edu (Marc Truitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Yahoo Mail adds storage In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B15122C51@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B15122C51@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <41111032.5010709@uh.edu> Umm... perhaps it's just my greying memory, but didn't we have a quite protracted discussion of just that topic a couple of months ago, with specific reference then to google? Or are you just trying to stir up a hornet's nest as a way to get through the August dog-days, Bill? :) - mt Drew, Bill wrote: > Can someone explain why such services as Yahoo Mail are so popular if they > do such evil things as insert ads to pay for their free service. Obviously > everyone is as smart as the critics of such things on this list and would > avoid them like the plague. God forbid that a free service insert ads to > help pay for the free service. Anyone would think that all of us want > private business to get off the internet. > > Bill Drew > > -- ************************************************************************* Marc Truitt Assistant Dean for Systems Voice : 713-743-8979 University of Houston Libraries e-mail : mtruitt@uh.edu 114 University Libraries cell : 713-443-6421 Houston, TX 77204-2000 fax : 713-743-9811 "I keep hearing you're concerned about my happiness But all that thought you're giving me is conscience, I guess If I were walking in your shoes I wouldn't worry none While you and your friends are worrying 'bout me, I'm having lots of fun..." -- The Statler Brothers ************************************************************************* From PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU Wed Aug 4 14:17:55 2004 From: PONSLM at UCMAIL.UC.EDU (Pons, Lisa (ponslm)) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: Web Policies and Standards Message-ID: <9BA6DCC15456CC46894E77233173DD7C0C27F018@UCMAIL5> Hi all, I am wondering if you can point me to any publically available web standards documents that your libraries uses to manage its web presence. I am particularly interested in any places where all staff are allowed to contribute content, without any oversight by an individual or team. This desire, to publish immediately, is something I am hearing more and more, and I am wondering if there are places that do this. If so, is anyone responsible for quality control- or is it just the individual? Is there any training these content providers have to go through? Has this worked for you? Thanks! Lisa Pons-Haitz Webmaster University Libraries University of Cincinnati lisa.pons@uc.edu (513)556-1431 From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Aug 4 23:35:35 2004 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:19 2005 Subject: Limiting searches to online only items Message-ID: <82F34180-E690-11D8-9040-000A95745D3E@ucop.edu> I'm looking for library catalog systems that offer a choice to limit a search to items that available online. If you know of such a system, please email the URL directly to me. I will summarize for the list. Thanks, Roy From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 09:12:15 2004 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: Latest Resource Listings from ResearchBuzz -- ( July 29 - August 4 ) Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040805091140.03084af8@pop.mindspring.com> Following are links to resource writeups from the latest issue of ResearchBuzz ( July 29 - August 4 ). As always you may subscribe to the newsletter by visiting http://www.researchbuzz.com . Thanks, Tara tara@researchbuzz.com -- ** Yahoo Launches Beta of Local Search * ** Topix Redesigns, Offers Some New Stuff * ** NewsIsFree Makes More News In Big Maps * ** Another Source for Keyword-Specific RSS News Feeds * ** A Google Tool For Mozilla * ** Toronto Star Archives Available; 1945 Free * ** Blogdigger's New Media Feeds * ** AnythingWeather Provides Weather Information From 10,000 US Locations * ** What's New On LLRX * ** Classic Cars At MotorCities * ** MSN Search Technology Preview (Finally) * ** A One Pager of Country and Regional Search Engines * Also On the Site ---------------- ** Frequency of Source Appearance in Google News * ** Google's Added Dates to their Caches Again * ** Go On With Your Googly Self * ** Google's Official IPO Information Page * From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Aug 5 11:58:26 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: QuestionPoint question Message-ID: I've been looking at some QuestionPoint entry web pages at various libraries. Usually the pages are set up to allow users to choose whether they wish to initiate a session via e-mail or chat. Has anyone been tracking overall usage data to see which choice is made more frequently, i.e., do users generally tend to choose chat over e-mail (or vice versa) when given the option? Which raises another question. Most of the QuestionPoint entry pages I've looked at offer limited hours of chat reference service, so an overall comparison of e-mail to chat might be somewhat of an apples-to-oranges comparison (i.e., initiating a session via e-mail is ALWAYS an option, where chat reference is an option only part of the time). For the hours you offer chat service, has anyone tracked the number of sessions initiated by chat, and the number of sessions initiated by e-mail? Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Thu Aug 5 14:17:11 2004 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Limiting searches to online only items In-Reply-To: <6EBCA2135886B74E9B13FDDD6A926FF601C33247@CASEVS01.cas.anu.edu.au> References: <6EBCA2135886B74E9B13FDDD6A926FF601C33247@CASEVS01.cas.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Again, I am amazed at the Web4Lib community. I posted my query about catalogs that make it possible to limit searches to online items last night, and within an hour or two I had replies back from Canada, Qatar, and Australia. In much less than 24 hours I had received 19 replies, all helpful. Below is the summary, along with a beginning laundry list of issues relating to this function. Thanks to all who helped (names below), Roy Systems Mentioned: * University of Utah, http://catalog.lib.utah.edu/ * University of California Libraries, http://melvyl.cdlib.org/ * Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, http://libq.med.cornell.edu/search * University of Adelaide, http://voyager.library.adelaide.edu.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi? DB=local&PAGE=First * Flinders University, http://voyager.cc.flinders.edu.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi? DB=local&PAGE=First * University of South Australia, http://catalogue.library.unisa.edu.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi? DB=local&PAGE=First * Australian National University, http://library.anu.edu.au/ * Ohio University, http://alice.library.ohiou.edu/ * Vanderbilt University, http://acorn.library.vanderbilt.edu/ * Franklin UPenn, http://www.franklin.library.upenn.edu/ * Bryn Mawr, Haverford, Swarthmore, http://tripod.brynmawr.edu/search/t * Michigan State University, http://magic.msu.edu/search~S8 * Western North Carolina Library Network, http://wncln.wncln.org/ * Wright State University, http://wsuol2.wright.edu/ * University of Virginia, https://virgo.lib.virginia.edu/cgi-local/opac.pl?element=60/1315/ X&level=public * University of Michigan, http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/ * Dartmouth, http://libcat.dartmouth.edu/ * MIT, http://library.mit.edu/ * OCLC's FirstSearch, http://firstsearch.oclc.org/ * Charleston Southern University, http://lib.csuniv.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi.exe/x/0/49 * New York State Library, http://nysl.nysed.gov/ Issues Found (these do not apply to all systems): * No immediate link to full-text in search results (usually available in the full record display) * Items are available online in full-text, but SFX reports "no full-text available" (and the user must go to the full record to see the link). * No way to distinguish web-accessible from items like CD-ROMS * Option to limit not readily apparent, some catalogs require clicking a "set limits" button and reviewing many choices, often from scrolling menus, to find the right limit * Some have no apparent way to limit the search initially, therefore the limit must be applied after the search is first executed * Some put online items as a separate file or catalog, others treat as a limit to a search * Competing limits (which one to use?): Item Type: "website or etext or ebook or compfile" or Location: online? * "Online" sometimes means only the table of contents or some other part, but not the full-text * The labels used for describing the limit vary widely, and may include items which are not online (e.g., CD-ROMs). Examples found include: "E-books", "Electronic Resources", "Web Resources", "INTERNET", "Online/Computer Resources", "Computer File". "Online Resources", "Electronic Resources (web)", "Internet Resources" Thanks to: David Mattison, Dianne Cmor, Stephen Cramond, Arvind Kalia, Thomas Dowling, Marshall Breeding, John Hubbard, Hui Hua Chua, Thomass Bennett, Marty Jenkins, Jim Campbell, Patricia Anderson, Jennifer Merrill, Nina Davis-Millis, Ginny Brown, Megan Mitchell, Ellen Meltzer, Diane Madrigal, and Eileen Lutzow From Craig.Ginther at library.ottawa.on.ca Thu Aug 5 14:36:24 2004 From: Craig.Ginther at library.ottawa.on.ca (Ginther, Craig) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: catalog enrichment services Message-ID: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA4311@DC2EXC002> We are a large bilingual library running Horizon (Dynix), and are currently looking at Syndetics and B&T's Content Cafe as a means of delivering enriched content (book covers, synopses, reviews, etc) via our web catalogue. Is anybody aware of similar catalogue enrichment services (book cover images, synopses, reviews, etc.) offering French content? Thanks, Craig Craig Ginther Coordinator (Acting), Virtual Library Services Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 Phone: 613-580-2424 X41588 craig.ginther@library.ottawa.on.ca/ http://www.library.ottawa.on.ca/ From briansmathews at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 19:55:30 2004 From: briansmathews at yahoo.com (Brian Mathews) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: What about a non-full-text limiter? Message-ID: <20040805235530.19445.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> I wish that database vendors included a non-full-text limiter. Sure, it is strategic to have the ability to filter your results for full-text only, but what if you wanted a list of items that are not available online? A practical example: A patron is in a rush to find articles for a paper due in two weeks. After looking through a multitude of full-text titles, they realize that the paper is going to require a visit to the actual library. Here is where the non-full-text limiter would come into play. The patron could quickly search and remove all the full-text articles (already viewed/saved/printed) from the search and deal exclusively with journals needing to be hunted down in print. Of course, taking this further, it would be nice to be able to measure the search results against the catalog (a la WorldCat) to indicate local holdings. So in our scenario here, the patron could run a search and collect all the full-text articles, then limit the search to journals held in the local library. And then, time permitting, could generate a list of non-full text, non-locally held articles for ILL. Something like that… Brian Brian Mathews Reference & Instruction Librarian / Interim Web Coordinator The George Washington University Virginia Campus & Gelman Library more info: www.brianmathews.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From rch.library at rch.org.au Thu Aug 5 20:25:26 2004 From: rch.library at rch.org.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: "new" version of IE in XP Service Pack 2 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040806102526.00c3f808@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> a recent edition of WindowsSecrets.com newsletter talks of a microsoft article titled "How to Make Your Web Site Work with Windows XP Service Pack 2". the article has been moved and renamed now to "Fine-Tune Your Web Site for Windows XP Service Pack 2" [http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html /xpsp2web.asp] the newsletter says: "SP2 will include a new version of Internet Explorer" that will "block ActiveX controls, downloadable add-ins, pop-up windows, and other features commonly used in many Web sites. If you or your company maintain a site, you owe it to yourself to check Microsoft's list of changes and adjust your technology accordingly." some folks might be interested. one thing made me smile in regard to blocking popups: "Internet Explorer will attempt to block any window opened automatically from script, with the exception of createPopup()" ... eh?? that's almost an oxymoron, or just perverse? apologies if i'm behind the times with old news and you have already been there, done that, got the t-shirt etc. vicki. From kim_mlis at yahoo.ca Thu Aug 5 20:51:40 2004 From: kim_mlis at yahoo.ca (Kim Nayyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Course Announcement: Online Copyright Courses Message-ID: <20040806005140.90658.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> (Cross-posted; please excuse duplication.) This Fall 2004, Copyrightlaws.com is pleased to offer two new courses -- “Managing Copyright Issues” and “U.S. Copyright Law”. “Canadian and International Copyright Law” will also be re-offered. Need to learn more about copyright law but never seem to have the time to attend a course or read an entire book on the topic? Let these practical online courses guide you through the “copyright maze” to provide you with a strong understanding of copyright basics and managing your copyright issues. These are 8 week courses, comprising 16 lessons, which are e-mailed directly to you. To make sure you’re paying attention, there will be a quiz following each lesson and a final quiz once the course is complete. Further information and registration is at http://www.acteva.com/go/copyright or e-mail seminars@copyrightlaws.com Kind regards, Amritha for Kim Nayyer kim@copyrightlaws.com kim_mlis@yahoo.ca ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From lars at aronsson.se Thu Aug 5 21:34:25 2004 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] What about a non-full-text limiter? In-Reply-To: <20040805235530.19445.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040805235530.19445.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian Mathews wrote: > I wish that database vendors included a non-full-text limiter. Sure, > it is strategic to have the ability to filter your results for > full-text only, but what if you wanted a list of items that are not > available online? Was there yet a realistic case where any query yielded a significantly smaller list of results if the online available texts were left out? What science and which query? Your wish sounds like a catalog of the books that aren't written yet, or going to Africa's jungles to find all animals that aren't there. This is because I have the preconceived notion that so very little information is available online. Maybe one day that will not be so. Maybe it has already changed for some disciplines? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik From drobinson at hwwilson.com Wed Aug 11 08:18:41 2004 From: drobinson at hwwilson.com (Dan Robinson) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, 2005: Message-ID: <0DBB337BAB6ABA4F8F7772585216794F6945F3@HWWEXCH.hwwilson.com> I just post them, I don't write them . Or, it could be a new advance in the technique of mulitasking organic computing. Dan Robinson drobinson@hwwilson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, > 2005: > > > .."the Ongoing Battle for Mindshare"? > > Sounds kinda Orwellian. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] > On Behalf Of Dan Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, 2005: > "Whose Mind is it anyway?" > > The 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, "Whose Mind is it Anyway? > Identifying and > Meeting Diverse User Needs in the Ongoing Battle for Mindshare," is > scheduled for February 27 - March 1, 2005 at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, > Philadelphia, PA. > From bennetttm at appstate.edu Wed Aug 11 08:49:59 2004 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Use of Blogs in Instruction? | Student-Recommended Web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092228599.3971.322.camel@bennetttm-1.library.appstate.edu> I've just recently installed the COREBlog Product on our Zope WEB server which uses forms to add data and configure the WEB blog. We use this as our new News page.: http://www.library.appstate.edu/blog/news/ I also have a test page at: http://www.library.appstate.edu/webmaster/coreblogtest/ The test page shows more options that are available with this Product including the built in search option and comments turned on. The Product is from http://coreblog.org/ . By the way, Product has a special meaning in Zope. Products, for the most part, are essentially addons to implement a new service, add special features, or enhance the WEB tool. Thomas PS:Below is an excerpt of a recent email from one of our librarians announcing a WEB cast on blogs: If you are interested in attending a web cast on blogs (web-logs) in higher education,...The live session will be held October 5, 2004 at 1:00pm A full description is at: https://www.academicimpressions.com/web_conferences/weblogs.htm P.S. If you are interested, here are some examples of blogs in library-land and higher ed: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jveldof/calculator/ http://www.librarystuff.net/2004/08/answerbag.html http://www.weblogg-ed.com/ And in case you want to start a blog (for your team, for example) there is an easy to use blog-product already in place on the library?s web-server. Our news page (http://www.library.appstate.edu/blog/news/) runs with that product. On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:49, D.H. Mattison wrote: > August 10, 2004 > > Use of blogs in higher education is a very big field. A couple of sites that > I visit from time to time and recommend for resource mining are: > > Weblogg-ed: Using Weblogs and RSS in Education (http://www.weblogg-ed.com/). > Clicking the Educator Weblogs link will take you to a long list by name of > educators who use or maintain blogs. > > EBN: Educational Bloggers Network (http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/) > > Weblogs At Harvard Law (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/), co-edited by Dave > Winer (Mr. RSS 2.0 and other distinctions) and Donna Wentworth, is also a > fascinating glimpse into the integration of blogging into the teaching of > law (at least that's what I think is supposed to be happening). > > Since I like to think wikis offer an effective alternative in some > educational situations to the rather rigid blog format, take a look at > http://edtech.coedit.net/EducationalWikiList for some ideas, as well as this > refereed article on wikis and their applicability to distance education > (http://www.irrodl.org/content/v5.1/technote_xxvii.html). > > Sincerely, > > David Mattison > Victoria, BC, Canada > dmattison@shaw.ca > The Ten Thousand Year Blog http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress > Tiki Wiki Hut http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki > > From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Wed Aug 11 10:22:55 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: Library lingo Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC830@mail.lib.msu.edu> A discussion in another mailing list got me to ask this question: Does anybody has a program reaching out to faculty, students, or general public to understand library lingo. You know, that OPAC (O-whaat?), Indexes (students I talked to think it's only refers to the back of a text book), Databases (Computer Science students scratched they heads because their understanding is about raw data, not articles), Journal (and they think it means "diary")... stuff like that. Yes, I am aware of the list created by John Kupersmith (http://www.jkup.net/terms.html), but is there anybody willing to share how they reach out to the people that probably never come to the library, yet use the web site quite frequently? thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) From snackeru at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 11 11:34:23 2004 From: snackeru at tc.umn.edu (Shane Nackerud) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Use of Blogs in Instruction? | Student-Recommended In-Reply-To: <1092228599.3971.322.camel@bennetttm-1.library.appstate.edu > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040811103339.029cc228@snackeru.email.umn.edu> The University of Minnesota Libraries have been hosting blogs for the entire U of M campus community through our UThink: Blogs at the University Libraries project found at: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/ We've been running the project for about 4 months now and so far 455 blogs have been created, and over 400 faculty, staff, and students have used the service. U of M community members can easily create a blog with their central authentication Internet ID and password. Users are literally up and running in less than 30 seconds. We created the service to allow for team or class blogs, where multiple authors can access and modify a single blog, and many students and professors have taken advantage of this: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/ratli008/summer04/ http://blog.lib.umn.edu/enge0385/BIE5475/ http://blog.lib.umn.edu/coop0197/onelife/ Many other professors have expressed an interest in using UThink for class blogs in the fall semster. We have also successfully integrated our SFX service into UThink so that researchers can easily post SFX citations to their blog(s) from an SFX menu (http://blog.lib.umn.edu/radh0003/research/). We have been in "test" mode for most of the summer, but UThink has already created a buzz on campus for the libraries. The project has opened a lot of doors for the libraries, including our recent publishing of the "Into the Blogosphere" online collection (http://blog.lib.umn.edu/blogosphere/) in partnership with the Department of Rhetoric. Other departments on campus have already contacted us with other publishing ideas for UThink thanks to the success of "Into the Blogosphere." Blogs in education is indeed a big field and it is my hope that libraries can begin to take a more active role in their creation, dissemination, and archiving. And like I said, they can open a lot of doors for libraries that are willing to take the plunge. Shane At 05:54 AM 8/11/2004, you wrote: >I've just recently installed the COREBlog Product on our Zope WEB server >which uses forms to add data and configure the WEB blog. We use this as >our new News page.: > >http://www.library.appstate.edu/blog/news/ > > I also have a test page at: > >http://www.library.appstate.edu/webmaster/coreblogtest/ > >The test page shows more options that are available with this Product >including the built in search option and comments turned on. The >Product is from http://coreblog.org/ . By the way, Product has a >special meaning in Zope. Products, for the most part, are essentially >addons to implement a new service, add special features, or enhance the >WEB tool. > > >Thomas > > >PS:Below is an excerpt of a recent email from one of our librarians >announcing a WEB cast on blogs: > > > > >If you are interested in attending a web cast on blogs (web-logs) in >higher education,...The live session will be held October 5, 2004 at >1:00pm > > A full description is at: > >https://www.academicimpressions.com/web_conferences/weblogs.htm > > >P.S. If you are interested, here are some examples of blogs in >library-land and higher ed: >http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jveldof/calculator/ > >http://www.librarystuff.net/2004/08/answerbag.html > >http://www.weblogg-ed.com/ > >And in case you want to start a blog (for your team, for example) there >is an easy to use blog-product already in place on the library???s >web-server. Our news page (http://www.library.appstate.edu/blog/news/) >runs with that product. > > > > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 00:49, D.H. Mattison wrote: > > August 10, 2004 > > > > Use of blogs in higher education is a very big field. A couple of sites > that > > I visit from time to time and recommend for resource mining are: > > > > Weblogg-ed: Using Weblogs and RSS in Education > (http://www.weblogg-ed.com/). > > Clicking the Educator Weblogs link will take you to a long list by name of > > educators who use or maintain blogs. > > > > EBN: Educational Bloggers Network (http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/) > > > > Weblogs At Harvard Law (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/), co-edited by Dave > > Winer (Mr. RSS 2.0 and other distinctions) and Donna Wentworth, is also a > > fascinating glimpse into the integration of blogging into the teaching of > > law (at least that's what I think is supposed to be happening). > > > > Since I like to think wikis offer an effective alternative in some > > educational situations to the rather rigid blog format, take a look at > > http://edtech.coedit.net/EducationalWikiList for some ideas, as well as > this > > refereed article on wikis and their applicability to distance education > > (http://www.irrodl.org/content/v5.1/technote_xxvii.html). > > > > Sincerely, > > > > David Mattison > > Victoria, BC, Canada > > dmattison@shaw.ca > > The Ten Thousand Year Blog http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress > > Tiki Wiki Hut http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki > > > > ----------------- snackeru@tc.umn.edu 625-7880 From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 11 12:19:24 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Use of Blogs in Instruction? | Student-Recommended In-Reply-To: <1092228599.3971.322.camel@bennetttm-1.library.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <20040811161929.A2285C144A7@mail.messagingengine.com> Interesting--the mailing is a nice way to cast the line and hook 'em. I've been running Movable Type 3.0 since it came out, and am very pleased with it--a quantum leap over 2.661. I'm eager to see 3.1d and was sorry to have to turn down an invitation to beta test it, since it has even more features. In particular, the methods 3.0 uses for comment management are useful and flexible. I know Liz Lawley of "Mamamusings" fame has been talking about using MT for courseware. See esp.: http://mamamusings.net/archives/2004/05/18/how_im_using_movable_type.php http://mamamusings.net/archives/2004/07/30/mt_courseware_31_is_coming.php K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 11 13:10:24 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library lingo In-Reply-To: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC830@mail.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20040811171027.0F9F1C144D7@mail.messagingengine.com> > anybody willing to share how they reach out to the people that probably > never come to the library, yet use the web site quite frequently? Yes indeed! We never see our users, the slippery digital devils, since we are all Web, so we work hard to ix-nay the dreaded jargon in the first place. The word "index" is a tough one because many of our resources are librarian-created, and therefore use the word index. In fact the darn word is welded into our rather long and decidedly un-mnemonic name. Then again, "searchable, browsable portal and announcement service for high-quality Web sites" wouldn't be any shorter and introduces the dreaded p-word. Do you need to call it an OPAC? We maintain a list of Terms to Avoid. I was confident that library jargon was on our list of Terms To Avoid. I guess we're just good, but we should add this list any way--so noted on my to-do list. See: http://lii.org/search/file/style#stalestuff We all fall victim to in-language, but you don't have to explain jargon if you don't use it in the first place. Karen G. Schneider Director, Librarians' Index to the Internet http://lii.org kgs@lii.org From michael.whang at WMICH.EDU Wed Aug 11 14:45:58 2004 From: michael.whang at WMICH.EDU (Michael Whang) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library lingo Message-ID: Ranti, I think there are a couple of ways to approach the terminology problem. In the past, I've used cascading style sheets to create an explanation of the term. The user simply rolls the mouse over the term that is underlined with a dashed line. Take a look at this implementation that I created sometime ago for a branch library of the Hawaii State Public Library System. http://www.state.hi.us/hsl/mpl/about/collection.htm Another less kinetic option is to cluster your link around text that helps define the term that's often misunderstood. Take for example this snippet of text that I created for our forthcoming campuswide portal: ==== Finding Articles Who said information wasn't at your fingertips? Search over 235 online databases for full-text articles and abstracts 24 hours a day! ==== Although I did not use the term Journal, the descriptive text provides contextual cues as to what Finding Articles is all about. Michael Whang "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Ghandhi ======================== Michael Whang Head, Web and Internet Services Western Michigan University Libraries 1903 W. Michigan Ave. Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 p: 269-387-5184 e: michael.whang@wmich.edu ========================= >>> "Junus, Ranti" 8/11/2004 10:29:02 AM >>> A discussion in another mailing list got me to ask this question: Does anybody has a program reaching out to faculty, students, or general public to understand library lingo. You know, that OPAC (O-whaat?), Indexes (students I talked to think it's only refers to the back of a text book), Databases (Computer Science students scratched they heads because their understanding is about raw data, not articles), Journal (and they think it means "diary")... stuff like that. Yes, I am aware of the list created by John Kupersmith (http://www.jkup.net/terms.html), but is there anybody willing to share how they reach out to the people that probably never come to the library, yet use the web site quite frequently? thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Wed Aug 11 18:19:33 2004 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411A9B75.3070207@thecommunitylibrary.org> We limit ports insofar as they are limited by a normal firewall, but we don't limit the standard ports such as those used for HTTP or HTTPS. I suspect, like some others who responded, that the problem is not inherent to our system but is a consequence of the configuration of the system these folks are trying to access. We see the problem so infrequently that it seems disproportionately low to the number of Exchange servers out there. If it were our system, I would expect to see more people having difficulty accessing their web mail. Thanks to everyone for your replies and suggestions. I'm going to try them if/when someone has trouble accessing their Exchange server account. If any solution seems to do the trick, I'll let you know. Thanks again, Chris -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org 208.726.3493 x111 Genny Engel wrote: > The only webmail access issue I've seen around here is when the webmail > is on a nonstandard HTTPS port. On our wireless service we only allow > HTTP to port 80 and HTTPS to port 443, but some patrons use a webmail > address that immediately redirects from one of those ports to a > different port. At that point the patron is unable to proceed. Do you > limit which ports you allow traffic to? > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chris Murphy [mailto:chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org] >>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:11 PM >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail >> >> >>Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not > > being > >>able to access their web based email accounts at their >>corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface >>appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. >> >>By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to >>Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server >>requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. >> >>Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses >>Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their >>requirements for web access. >> >>I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is > > an > >>easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would >>like to do so. >> >>Any advice or tips will be appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Chris >> >>-- >>Christopher Murphy >>Information Systems Manager >>The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho >>chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org >>http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org >> >> > > > > > Genny Engel > Internet Librarian > Sonoma County Library > gengel@sonoma.lib.ca.us > 707 545-0831 x581 > > > From c.awre at hull.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 03:52:57 2004 From: c.awre at hull.ac.uk (Chris Awre) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development In-Reply-To: <411BBBCD.4010309@ohiolink.edu> References: <411BBBCD.4010309@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: I also totally agree that more quality is required. Musing aloud, to what extent is quality reliant upon their being quantity in the first place? That is, having the data upon which the quality systems can be built. I realise that those following the quantity route do appear far too blind to this, though, although they may at least be innocently providing the bedrock upon which quality information provision can be established. Speaking as someone from the UK, the British Library does appear keen to digitise as much as it can, but also seems to be doing this in a targetted, service-oriented way, focussing on collections that have an identified use first (partly limited by budget, admittedly, but a useful limitation if it focusses the mind more!). Regards, Chris Awre ****************************** Chris Awre Integration Architect e-Services Integration Brynmor Jones Library University of Hull Cottingham Road Hull HU6 7RX T: 01482 465549 E: c.awre@hull.ac.uk ****************************** On 12 Aug 2004, at 19:50, Thomas Dowling wrote: > Karen Coyle wrote: > >> It's a QUALITY issue, not a QUANTITY issue. >> >> > > Indeed! When the problem is dealing with millions of search results, > the solution can't just be to add another hundred million documents to > search ("Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then do it a lot more!"). > > Gee, it's almost like the best solution would include things like > classification systems, controlled vocabularies, and name authorities. > But that's not as sexy as digitizing the entire Library of Congress. > > [Do the British wax so rhapsodic about digitising the entire British > Library?] > > -- > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > > From freemanb at purdue.edu Fri Aug 13 13:10:56 2004 From: freemanb at purdue.edu (Freeman, Brook J.) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development Message-ID: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0202@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> It appears to be designed for 1024x768. This is not huge. While 800x600 is still the most commonly designed for size, doing a quick web search the most recent data I found was from 2001, from that data 1024x768 was the normal web browsing resolution for 33%, 800x600 52% with most of the rest taken up by higher resolutions. This was three years ago, I'm sure the numbers have sifted up significantly since then. I expect that more and more sites will be designed for 1024. Brook Freeman -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Vicki Falkland Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development this certainly sounds interesting. however, i think the person who designed their site has the largest monitor on earth. the logo is HUGE (in my browser it takes up 50% of the window!), and i had to scroll horizontally to read the text . they might be on to something with the technology, but their site made me wince. v. At 08:14 AM 12/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: >A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to develop a new >kind of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful information >in the form of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": > >http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html > >Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing this out. > >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of >Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite >213 Champaign, IL 61820 > >Phone: (217) 333-4895 >Fax: (217) 265-0454 >E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Fri Aug 13 13:46:11 2004 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development In-Reply-To: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0202@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0202@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <20040813104049.A75039@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Freeman, Brook J. wrote: > It appears to be designed for 1024x768. This is not huge. While > 800x600 is still the most commonly designed for size, doing a quick web > search the most recent data I found was from 2001, from that data > 1024x768 was the normal web browsing resolution for 33%, 800x600 52% > with most of the rest taken up by higher resolutions. This was three > years ago, I'm sure the numbers have sifted up significantly since then. > I expect that more and more sites will be designed for 1024. The following site: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp claims for July 2004 that 1024 X 768 is at 50% and 800 X 600 = 35%. And http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_trends.htm shows "800x600: this accounts for ~37% of page accesses," and "1024x768 and higher: this accounts for ~60% of page accesses." I know nothing about these sites but it seems that resolutions are trending higher, fwiw. John Creech, Electronic Resources and Systems Librarian Brooks Library, Central Washington University From brounk at mail.nih.gov Fri Aug 13 13:50:36 2004 From: brounk at mail.nih.gov (Broun, Kevin (NIH/NCI)) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development Message-ID: <4CCA53563257AC478E6F764AC6CD0816C0F461@nihexchange11.nih.gov> Trend or not, that's still a bad design decision. Personally, if I'm using a monitor with that much resolution, I expect to be able to view multiple windows, not have to maximize a browser window. And it's bad news from an accessibility standpoint. Instead of trending toward 1024x768, let's hope designers trend toward XHTML, CSS, and liquid layouts, so their sites become more usable to more types of users, devices, resolutions, etc. Kevin Broun Senior Web Developer National Cancer Institute -----Original Message----- From: Freeman, Brook J. To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Fri Aug 13 13:28:22 2004 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development It appears to be designed for 1024x768. This is not huge. While 800x600 is still the most commonly designed for size, doing a quick web search the most recent data I found was from 2001, from that data 1024x768 was the normal web browsing resolution for 33%, 800x600 52% with most of the rest taken up by higher resolutions. This was three years ago, I'm sure the numbers have sifted up significantly since then. I expect that more and more sites will be designed for 1024. Brook Freeman -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Vicki Falkland Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development this certainly sounds interesting. however, i think the person who designed their site has the largest monitor on earth. the logo is HUGE (in my browser it takes up 50% of the window!), and i had to scroll horizontally to read the text . they might be on to something with the technology, but their site made me wince. v. At 08:14 AM 12/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: >A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to develop a new >kind of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful information >in the form of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": > >http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html > >Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing this out. > >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of >Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite >213 Champaign, IL 61820 > >Phone: (217) 333-4895 >Fax: (217) 265-0454 >E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 13 14:01:42 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development In-Reply-To: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0202@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0202@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <411D0206.4070209@ohiolink.edu> Freeman, Brook J. wrote: >It appears to be designed for 1024x768. This is not huge. > It may not be a huge screen resolution, but it may be an unacceptably large window size. Even assuming a maximized window (yeecch), the various sidebars you can add into most may bring that 1024 px-wide window well under 800 pixels. Regardless of window size, that's too much space devoted to a logo. 'Course, kozoru.com *is* hiring both a designer and an interface developer. They'll have to hit the ground running. -- Thomas ("...starting with the choice of Courier") Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bardsley at u.washington.edu Fri Aug 13 14:00:55 2004 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (bardsley@u.washington.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development In-Reply-To: <4CCA53563257AC478E6F764AC6CD0816C0F461@nihexchange11.nih.gov> Message-ID: There is a lot of talk about the size of the logo on the site, which I agree is way too big. However, I can't believe no one has brought up the fact that the navigation buttons are different shades of blue and they change to different shades of blue with the mouse over. When you click a nav button there is no good way for the user to know it was clicked. In my opinion, the navigational situation on the web site is worse than the logo size. - Mark On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Broun, Kevin (NIH/NCI) wrote: > Trend or not, that's still a bad design decision. Personally, if I'm using a > monitor with that much resolution, I expect to be able to view multiple > windows, not have to maximize a browser window. And it's bad news from an > accessibility standpoint. > > Instead of trending toward 1024x768, let's hope designers trend toward > XHTML, CSS, and liquid layouts, so their sites become more usable to more > types of users, devices, resolutions, etc. > > Kevin Broun > Senior Web Developer > National Cancer Institute From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Fri Aug 13 14:31:09 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New search engine under development Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC861@mail.lib.msu.edu> [...] > ...one that would provide "meaningful information in the form of answers" Intriguing. I wonder what would be the answers if I typed in "cats dogs rain" in the search box... ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sloan, Bernie [mailto:bernies@uillinois.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] New search engine under development > > > A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to > develop a new kind > of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful > information in the form > of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": > > http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html > > Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing > this out. > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO > University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting > 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 > Champaign, IL 61820 > > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 265-0454 > E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > From CAGimon at mplib.org Fri Aug 13 14:32:33 2004 From: CAGimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New search engine under development Message-ID: <9501D7404E64C440A9B1B36CD612C968BB5CB8@alpha.mpls.lib.mn.us> The most important resolution is the one the grouchiest person in your management structure uses. --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Freeman, Brook J. wrote: > It appears to be designed for 1024x768. This is not huge. While > 800x600 is still the most commonly designed for size, doing a quick > web search the most recent data I found was from 2001, from that data > 1024x768 was the normal web browsing resolution for 33%, 800x600 52% > with most of the rest taken up by higher resolutions. This was three > years ago, I'm sure the numbers have sifted up significantly since > then. I expect that more and more sites will be designed for 1024. The following site: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp claims for July 2004 that 1024 X 768 is at 50% and 800 X 600 = 35%. And http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_trends.htm shows "800x600: this accounts for ~37% of page accesses," and "1024x768 and higher: this accounts for ~60% of page accesses." I know nothing about these sites but it seems that resolutions are trending higher, fwiw. From Craig.Ginther at library.ottawa.on.ca Fri Aug 13 15:27:59 2004 From: Craig.Ginther at library.ottawa.on.ca (Ginther, Craig) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: home page content Message-ID: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA438F@DC2EXC002> We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? I'm thinking of things like branch locations, a link to the catalogue (or a quick search box) and databases, information on how to get a library card, fees/fines, etc. Are there others that you feel are critical, based on hit counts or otherwise? Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks, Craig Craig Ginther Coordinator (Acting), Virtual Library Services Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 Phone: 613-580-2424 X41588 craig.ginther@library.ottawa.on.ca/ http://www.library.ottawa.on.ca/ From Natalia.Lebedeva at lamrc.com Fri Aug 13 15:32:15 2004 From: Natalia.Lebedeva at lamrc.com (Lebedeva, Natalia) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: alternative to NewsIsFree? Message-ID: <10F367471C15D511A5E30008C716EC1E0AE7B3AB@freexch03.dhcp.lamrc.com> Greetings, Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? With the option of filtering news for certain topic and providing ready sources feeds blocks - e.g. Tech News Thank you! Natalia ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From DavidKing at kclibrary.org Fri Aug 13 15:43:48 2004 From: DavidKing at kclibrary.org (David King) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] alternative to NewsIsFree? Message-ID: Topix.net is good. David King Kansas City Public Library 816-701-3400, ext. 2503 davidking@kclibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Lebedeva, Natalia Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] alternative to NewsIsFree? Greetings, Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? With the option of filtering news for certain topic and providing ready sources feeds blocks - e.g. Tech News Thank you! Natalia ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Aug 15 08:10:02 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:21 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Aug 15 Message-ID: <200408151210.i7FCA1Q00214@olcfax2.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS August 15, 2004 [Note: I am not the Web4Lib listowner. 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If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Sun Aug 15 12:54:44 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] home page content Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B15122D65@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Make sure your adress, location, and phone number re on every page. Many people will not come to your site via the front door. Bill Drew -----Original Message----- From: Ginther, Craig To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 8/13/2004 3:31 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] home page content We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? From Peter.Murray at uconn.edu Sun Aug 15 15:14:11 2004 From: Peter.Murray at uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:21 2005 Subject: Library lingo In-Reply-To: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC830@mail.lib.msu.edu> References: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC830@mail.lib.msu.edu> Message-ID: <411FB603.20500@uconn.edu> Junus, Ranti wrote: >Does anybody has a program reaching out to faculty, students, or general public to understand library lingo. You know, that OPAC (O-whaat?), Indexes (students I talked to think it's only refers to the back of a text book), Databases (Computer Science students scratched they heads because their understanding is about raw data, not articles), Journal (and they think it means "diary")... stuff like that. > Worst of all for this CS-student-turned-librarian was trying to figure out why databases were called 'files', as in "I'm going to search the ABI file to see if the appropriate citation is there." Fortunately, that usage of the term 'file' has all but disappeared as most of us and our users are more acquainted with the personal-computer (or Internet) meaning of the word... Peter From Peter.Murray at uconn.edu Sat Aug 14 23:08:55 2004 From: Peter.Murray at uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: home page content In-Reply-To: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA438F@DC2EXC002> References: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA438F@DC2EXC002> Message-ID: <411ED3C7.5020006@uconn.edu> Ginther, Craig wrote: >We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the >expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of >information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? > I would humbly suggest that you need to ask your users to get the answer to that question. What do your users think is the most important information to display on your home page? Having been through two series of usability testing exercises for two sites, I'm amazed at the difference in the needs of each of the users. It seems to depend on the characteristics of your library system along with the needs and expectations of your users. (I'm sure others with more experience in usability testing may chime in, but it also seems like you need to keep retesting because the needs and expectations -- if not the characteristics of your system -- change over time.) Peter From Peter.Murray at uconn.edu Sun Aug 15 15:32:44 2004 From: Peter.Murray at uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: Patrons causing problems with online gaming In-Reply-To: <4118E0FE.5020302@mindspring.com> References: <4118E0FE.5020302@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <411FBA5C.1080308@uconn.edu> Sue Kamm wrote: >Hogue Melanie wrote: > > >>QUESTION: Regarding segregation by use, we are considering removal of >>Internet access from our computers that have word processing capabilities >>because we have patrons who would occupy these machines for surfing when >>there are people waiting to type resumes, etc. Does anyone have a story >>about the success or failure of this policy? I'm thinking that there are >>patrons who need Internet access to compile information for a letter or >>paper they are typing. >> >> >Do you have access to a techie? There's a way to set up workstations so >a user can access certain websites - the library's OPAC, fee-based >databases the library subscribes to. Such workstations could probably >suppor MS Office without providing entrance to the entire net. > > There are in fact ways to solve this (and the original question) using proxy servers. In this case, you could set up a proxy server with a "white list" that limits web access to only the designated services. In the case of the original message in this thread, one could set up a proxy server that blocks access to the gaming sites and instead puts up a message explaining the usage policy. (The latter is harder, of course, because where would one find a comprehensive list of game-playing sites.) I talk about each of these in my LITA Regional Institute of Web Proxy Servers and Authentication (http://www.pandc.org/proxy/) and there might be enough information outline in the slides for you or your designated 'techie' to develop a solution. Peter ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Peter.Murray at uconn.edu Sun Aug 15 15:44:20 2004 From: Peter.Murray at uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: How to make PHP pages search engine friendly In-Reply-To: <410AAD76.3060400@ohiolink.edu> References: <410AAD76.3060400@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <411FBD14.8090601@uconn.edu> Thomas Dowling wrote: >David Moore wrote: > > >>I have found a few web pages that explain how to do this using >>$path_info, etc., but I'm not having much luck with it. I have PHP loaded on >>a Windows 2000 server. >> >> >Instead of "...script.php?var1=Alice&var2=Bob&var3=Carol" you'd have >"...script.php/Alice/Bob/Carol" and split the $_SERVER[PATH_INFO] >environment variable on the "/" character. You may have more sensible >results if you strip off the leading slash first: > > $foo = ereg_replace("^/", "", $_SERVER[PATH_INFO]); > list ($var1, $var2, $var3) = explode("/", $foo); > > I'm a big fan of doing this, and I think it should be done more often for the benefit of our users -- in Thomas' example, the latter is more more easy to transcribe, remember, or publish than the former. Not only are the pages more search engine friendly, but other benefit are that you can give predictable URLs for others to use and make an entire section of your website appear to be static when it is really dynamically generated. I made great use of this at my previous employer. All of the content of these URLs and subsequent links are dynamically generated (even the results of the search, as in the last example): http://www.law.uconn.edu/library/database/ http://www.law.uconn.edu/courses/ Peter From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Tue Aug 17 09:17:30 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: FW: REQUEST: Participate in a study about web search strategies Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC873@mail.lib.msu.edu> Since she wrote "experience web users", I think members of this list will qualify and should also participate. :-) -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: Anne Aula [mailto:aula@CS.UTA.FI] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:16 AM To: CHI-WEB@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG Subject: REQUEST: Participate in a study about web search strategies I'm a researcher at the Tampere Unit for Computer Human Interaction (University of Tampere, Finland). We are conducting an on-line survey about experienced web users' strategies in work-related information search. The collected information will be used in developing novel search interfaces that aim at facilitating information search and utilization from the web. The study involves a questionnaire consisting of general questions about your background and more specific questions related to your web search strategies. You can complete the questionnaire anonymously. It takes about 15 minutes to complete. To participate in the study, please go to http://www.cs.uta.fi/~aula/questionnaire.php?source=chi-web. The questionnaire will be available until the 27th of August 2004. If you have any questions about this survey, please contact Anne Aula (anne.aula@cs.uta.fi). Thank you for your participation! Sincerely, Anne Aula * * * * * * * * * * * Anne Aula aula@cs.uta.fi, +358-3-2158871 Information Visualization Research Group Tampere Unit for Computer-Human Interaction http://www.cs.uta.fi/hci/ Department of Computer Sciences University of Tampere, Finland From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Aug 17 11:04:29 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: Here's an interesting article from the CBC concerning whether it should be "web" or "Web", or "Internet" or "internet" (I liked the title: "i for an I"). http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/internet_i.html Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets > general, but lower case should be used when referring to a "web page" or > "web server" or "web site" etc. > > maybe that's what they mean .. ? > Maybe indeed, then why not say so? K.G. Schneider From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 17 11:12:05 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." I think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. Bill Drew From bollingers at cadl.org Tue Aug 17 11:39:48 2004 From: bollingers at cadl.org (Bollinger,Stephen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: As an important counterpoint, though, consider the following: Our library created a new card for youth patrons. It is referred to variously by staff as "The First Card", "The Youth One Card", "The Youth First Card", "The One Card" and "The Youth Card". A style-guide pronouncement standardizing the name would eliminate considerable patron and staff confusion. Yours, -Steve Stephen Bollinger Internet Specialist CAPITAL AREA DISTRICT LIBRARY 401 South Capitol Avenue Lansing, MI 48901-7919 http://www.cadl.org/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." I think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. Bill Drew From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 17 11:47:30 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66288@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I just got corrected on the quote. Here is the original quotation: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. "Self-Reliance," Essays, First Series (1841, repr. 1847). Ralph Waldo Emerson. I consider the kind of consistency talked about in this exchange as the foolish or at the best silly kind. In my own opinion, instead of a style manual use a template and make sure that all pages are edited for spelling and grammar. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 17 11:48:13 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <412228BD.4030208@ohiolink.edu> Drew, Bill wrote: >Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." I >think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter >productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. > >Bill Drew > > > A *foolish* consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. (Emerson, my emphasis.) Foolishness varies from one situation to another. We're talking about guides for sites that have many authors writing content, and that have a reasonable interest in looking consistent. They pick the nits, and we get a nit-free editorial opinion on what strikes readers as current and what seems stilted or outdated. Take it as a requirement, a guideline, or a suggestion as you see fit. -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Tue Aug 17 12:00:38 2004 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <41222BA6.6030901@library.gatech.edu> Still, referring to "the stacks" or "Reference Desk" consistently hardly seems counterproductive. I would call it "user-friendly". If "Reference Desk" appears as "Information Desk", "Research Central" or "Infocommons" (put your pithy brand name here) throughout your (W/w)ebsite is just going to confuse people and make them think these are different places. -Ross. Drew, Bill wrote: >Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." I >think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter >productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. > >Bill Drew > > > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 17 12:06:27 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C662BB@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> That type of consistency is obviously needed in naming locations or resources but to go to the level of making sure e-mail is always written as "e-mail" and never as "email" is going overboard in my opinion. Of course local situations may require you to do a manual if the powers that be require such control. Bill Drew -----Original Message----- From: Ross Singer [mailto:ross.singer@library.gatech.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:01 PM To: drewwe@MORRISVILLE.EDU Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Still, referring to "the stacks" or "Reference Desk" consistently hardly seems counterproductive. I would call it "user-friendly". From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Aug 17 12:06:49 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66247@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <20040817160657.0FFD4C14695@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." > I > think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter > productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. > > Bill Drew Emerson actually wrote, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." He meant what he wrote: he was deriding "foolish" consistency. I would find it tiresome and distracting if any of the serious publications I read used the "ransom note" school of copyediting, with random and capricious word usage. It gets even worse for anything read online, because reading online in general is just a little harder than reading paper. A reader shouldn't have to process and merge variations on the same term, and shouldn't be muddled with yawning inconsistencies in grammar and tone, either. Nattering about the Web, as I am doing on this list, can be casual; writing for readers demands the kind of attention that can only come from formal rules-making and serious editorial control. Pick a style guide, pick a dictionary, and run with it. Find a gap in the rules? Write your own, and stick with your guns. As for productivity, my scorn for Wired came less from the ruling (long overdue, though I'll wait until I see wider adoption) than from the oblique and unhelpful reference to an exception for the "official World Wide Web." Some of the Web4Lib readers have written me off-list to tell me their tales of woe, in which entire academic departments ground to a halt while debating Style A versus Style B. I have been there. Easy-to-follow rules facilitate delegation and speed work effort. Rules also make it less likely that a senior editor with a head trip can yank everyone's chain by making random and unpredictable changes and decisions. For example, it is kind to the reader, the writer, and the editor to adopt the rule of the "final comma," also known as the Harvard or Oxford comma (or, I suppose, the LII comma): "style, grammar, content, and punctuation are important." "CSS, XML, and HTML." "Emerson, Thoreau, and Crawford." Any time wasted debating commas is true foolishness. Keep in mind how little readers have to go on in assessing the credibility of online resources. Sloppy and inconsistent style works against establishing the authority of your content. You don't want that, do you? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Aug 17 12:26:34 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Message-ID: Bill, It's "foolish consistency" that's the bugaboo/hobgoblin of small minds, not consistency itself. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." I think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. Bill Drew From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Tue Aug 17 13:49:42 2004 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Message-ID: We recently changed our home page from: http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/default_backup.asp [a page with links to just about every page in our site] To: http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ [focuses on research tools such as our library catalog and periodical databases] Our decision was primarily based on usage statistics from our web server. http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/Library_Services/Staff_Resources/Site_Sta tistics/ Regards, Ian Chan Librarian Seattle Central Community College seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan/ dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ From jimm at wingate.edu Tue Aug 17 14:01:49 2004 From: jimm at wingate.edu (Jimm Wetherbee) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <20040817160657.0FFD4C14695@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200408171401165.SM00751@inceptor> Regarding does and does not qualify as a foolish consistency. Our site is small and so I am the sole editor (which is somewhat scary). As such, I do edit the copy I am given and try to be consistent with expressions. For instance, I prefer "a.m." to "AM" and "web-site" to either "web site" or "website." So I change them; why, because I can, and because it does give a somewhat cleaner look. On the other hand, because most people are easily able to process "a.m." and "AM" as the same thing, I would not insist that everyone publish these consistently if there were multiple editors. These would be "foolish consistencies." Because adhering to them does not add to one's ability to understand the content of the site. Where consistency becomes a real issue is when one runs across terms or usages that are not immediately seen as equivalent. Here I try (and often fail) to adhere to consistency in part because there is no guide. For instance, our list of periodicals is called the "PLL" or Periodical Location List. Both terms are used interchangeably between librarian and patron and it shows up on the web-site. In such cases I try to place both terms in close proximity where one would likely entire them first and then move to the (or perhaps *my*) preferred term once one moves deeper into the site. The web, being non-linear, doesn't always work that way. Here a style guide or manual would be helpful, as a way to remove ambiguity. This would hardly be seen as foolish. Indeed the most nit-picking part of style guides (the format used to cite documents) is perhaps the best example how such guides remove ambiguity by giving a very precise description of the source in question and doing so in such a manner that is fairly easy to understand. --jimm | > Don't forget the old adage: "Consistency is the bugaboo of small minds." | > I | > think such things as requiring web or Web to be consistent are counter | > productive and overly bureaucratic. It is nitpicking at its worst. | > | > Bill Drew | | Emerson actually wrote, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little | minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." | | He meant what he wrote: he was deriding "foolish" consistency. | | I would find it tiresome and distracting if any of the serious | publications | I read used the "ransom note" school of copyediting, with random and | capricious word usage. It gets even worse for anything read online, | because | reading online in general is just a little harder than reading paper. | | A reader shouldn't have to process and merge variations on the same term, | and shouldn't be muddled with yawning inconsistencies in grammar and tone, | either. Nattering about the Web, as I am doing on this list, can be | casual; | writing for readers demands the kind of attention that can only come from | formal rules-making and serious editorial control. Pick a style guide, | pick | a dictionary, and run with it. Find a gap in the rules? Write your own, | and | stick with your guns. | | As for productivity, my scorn for Wired came less from the ruling (long | overdue, though I'll wait until I see wider adoption) than from the | oblique | and unhelpful reference to an exception for the "official World Wide Web." | | Some of the Web4Lib readers have written me off-list to tell me their | tales | of woe, in which entire academic departments ground to a halt while | debating | Style A versus Style B. I have been there. | | Easy-to-follow rules facilitate delegation and speed work effort. Rules | also | make it less likely that a senior editor with a head trip can yank | everyone's chain by making random and unpredictable changes and decisions. | For example, it is kind to the reader, the writer, and the editor to adopt | the rule of the "final comma," also known as the Harvard or Oxford comma | (or, I suppose, the LII comma): "style, grammar, content, and punctuation | are important." "CSS, XML, and HTML." "Emerson, Thoreau, and Crawford." | Any | time wasted debating commas is true foolishness. | | Keep in mind how little readers have to go on in assessing the credibility | of online resources. Sloppy and inconsistent style works against | establishing the authority of your content. You don't want that, do you? | | Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com | | | | | --- | [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Aug 17 14:48:23 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: Search engines, again Message-ID: <20040817184831.0BDADC149B9@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Thanks to those of you who contributed requirements documents for search engines. Also, someone wrote me about my original query and I'm afraid I can't find that message. I'll be more than happy to share the draft RFI I developed with individuals on request. I am actually rather surprised how infrequently discussions about selecting search engines arise on Web4Lib, unless I am simply not searching correctly. Who among us have implemented, replaced, or upgraded search engines in the last year or two, what did you pick, and are you happy with it, and why? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Aug 17 16:31:26 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Search engines, again In-Reply-To: <20040817184831.0BDADC149B9@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20040817203135.B1627C14745@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > Thanks to those of you who contributed requirements documents for search > engines. Also, someone wrote me about my original query and I'm afraid I > can't find that message. I'll be more than happy to share the draft RFI I > developed with individuals on request. > > I am actually rather surprised how infrequently discussions about > selecting > search engines arise on Web4Lib, unless I am simply not searching > correctly. > Who among us have implemented, replaced, or upgraded search engines in the > last year or two, what did you pick, and are you happy with it, and why? Oh yeah, and while I'm at it, why don't I give you a little context? I left out important information. I'm not talking about searching catalogs (though I *could,* ad infinitum, ad nauseum); I'm talking about searching small Web portals containing metadata-enhanced documents. (And to someone who wrote off-list, federated search capabilities are listed as desirable in the draft RFI.) Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From msauers at bcr.org Tue Aug 17 17:17:00 2004 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: WindowsXPsp2 article Message-ID: <00cd01c4849f$8bee1900$50912dc7@sauers> A revised and more complete version of my article on installing XPsp2 has just been posted on WebJunction. The old version on my site will be disappearing later this evening. Those interested can read the new version @ http://webjunction.org/do/DisplayContent?id=7193 -------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Librarian, Trainer & Author Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: 303-751-6277 x110 :: msauers@bcr.org -------------------------------------------------- From louxy at online.sh.cn Sat Aug 21 04:06:16 2004 From: louxy at online.sh.cn (xiangying Lou) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: Call For Participation:DC-2004 Message-ID: <007b01c48755$bb92da70$526710ac@km.libnet.sh.cn> (Please excuse any duplication, and forward as appropriate) Call For Participation DC-2004: International Conference on Dublin Core and Metadata Applications 11-14 October 2004 Shanghai, China http://dc2004.library.sh.cn/ Host: Shanghai Library - http://www.library.sh.cn/new-eng/ Co-organizers: Library of Chinese Academy of Sciences - http://www.las.ac.cn/ National Science and Technology Library of China - http://www.nstl.gov.cn/ Dublin Core Metadata Initiative (DCMI) - http://dublincore.org/ Online Registration has opened for DC-2004 at http://dc2004.library.sh.cn/regedit/submit1.asp. Metadata based on standards such as Dublin Core is a key component of information environments from scientific repositories to corporate intranets and from business and publishing to education and e-government. DC-2004 -- the fourth in a series of conferences previously held in Tokyo, Florence, and Seattle -- will examine a broad range of metadata applications, especially with a view towards improving interoperability across boundaries of language, culture, and communities of practice. The Conference Program is available at http://dc2004.library.sh.cn/english/prog/. Conference keynotes will be held by Zhang Xiaolin of the Chinese Academy of Science; Eric Miller of the World-Wide Web Consortium; and Wayne Hodgins of Autodesk Inc. Over thirty technical papers will be presented; tutorials will provide an introduction to metadata for non-experts; and interest groups and technical committees of DCMI will hold various meetings open to the public. On Wednesday, 13 October, DC-2004 will hold joint keynote sessions with the 2004 Shanghai International Library Forum -- see http://www.libnet.sh.cn/silf2004/ -- also hosted at Shanghai Library. Topics of particular relevance to this year's conference include: -- Institutional Repositories and metadata harvesting -- Corporate enterprise metadata -- Search engines and metadata -- Metadata for e-Learning and e-Government -- Application Profiles and interoperability -- Semantic Web tools and frameworks -- Globalization, localization, and multilinguality of metadata -- Metadata registries and registry services Anyone with an interest in these topics -- researchers and practitioners alike -- is invited to meet and exchange ideas and experiences in a pleasant and open atmosphere. Registration is at http://dc2004.library.sh.cn/regedit/submit1.asp. Discounted Early Bird rates are available until 31 August 2004. From dempseyl at oclc.org Sat Aug 21 11:24:14 2004 From: dempseyl at oclc.org (Dempsey,Lorcan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Future Message-ID: <90D12689EF7A0543AB11426D75D6ABC510C4E260@oa4-server.oa.oclc.org> One of the interesting things to me as the Scan mentioned by Bernie below was put together was the strength of response among those interviewed about the impact of what I have since termed "Amazoogle" and the general consumer internet space. Neil Beagrie recently alerted me to http://trendwatching.com. Beneath the neologistic and rhetorical excess there is some interesting stuff. And sometimes they do come up wit an arresting phrase - I like 'life caching'. Whatever we think of the full range of identified trends, some do point to areas of interest for libraries moving forward. Some examples: * Generation C: "The GENERATION C phenomenon captures the tsunami of consumer generated content that is building on the Web, adding tera-peta bytes of new text, images, audio and video on an ongoing basis." * Life-caching: "Consumers are collecting, storing and displaying their entire lives, for personal use, or for friends and family, even the entire world to peruse. The necessary enablers are in place for what TRENDWATCHING.COM has dubbed LIFE CACHING, with Nokia, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Samsung and many more getting into the game." * Online Oxygen: "600 million consumers worldwide are beginning to see online access as an absolute necessity, and there are no signs that the pace of integrating online access into daily life is slowing down." Incidentally, in discussions about technology trends I think it is useful to bear in mind the statement attributed - in various versions - to Alan Kay: "technology is anything that was invented after you were born". Lorcan Lorcan Dempsey VP, Research, OCLC http://www.oclc.org/research/researchworks/ http://errol.oclc.org/laf/n90-602202.html -----Original Message----- From: Sloan, Bernie [mailto:bernies@uillinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: The Future I'm joining this discussion of "The Future" a little late, but if you're interested in the future of library technology you might want to take a look at "The 2003 OCLC Environmental Scan: Pattern Recognition" report: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/default.htm Text available on the Web at: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/toc.htm (click on each section title to view the html versions) There's also a link to a Webcast of a related program that was held at ALA Orlando this summer: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/default.htm#launch Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Helfrich, Gair [mailto:GHelfrich@acmail.aclink.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Future Hello everyone, The collective wisdom of this group is needed! For the first time in many years we are working on our Master Plan. Naturally, one component of that plan is Technology and I've been asked to use a crystal ball and look ahead for the next 5 years. Right now we're short staffed and I'm having trouble keeping up with today, let alone anticipating what's coming in the next 5 years. That's probably true for many of us. :-) At any rate, if some of you who are on the cutting edge or have a clear crystal ball are willing to share some insights I'd very much appreciate it. What do you think is coming in technology in general and specifically in library technology. We've already got wireless on our radar--and have implemented in 2 branches so far--and are considering RFID. You can reply to the list or to me personally and I'll summarize the answers for the list. Thanks in advance, Gair Helfrich __________ Gair Helfrich Network Services & Computer Services Manager Atlantic County Library 40 Farragut Avenue Mays Landing, NJ 08330 609-625-2776 ext. 6313 Fax: 609-625-8143 ghelfrich@acmail.aclink.org From gerrymck at iastate.edu Sat Aug 21 17:14:12 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: WIKI Guru Ward Cunningham Web Presentation Message-ID: Colleagues/ I've discovered an excellent 20-minute Web video presentation (with accompanying slides) by Ward Cunnnigham, The Father of Wiki, at [http://murl.microsoft.com/LectureDetails.asp?1076 ] It's a very good introduction to the origins and early development of WIKIs, as well as the nature and structure and dynamics of The WIKI! BTW: Ward has joined Microsoft, sssoooooo .... Stay Tuned [:-) Enjoy! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Accompanied Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From nealej at nylink.suny.edu Sat Aug 21 17:22:47 2004 From: nealej at nylink.suny.edu (Neale, Jane) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <50EB7C389CAD0746B69D8DD1CF976E672ACFDC@cat.nylink.suny.edu> This announcement has been posted to multiple lists. Please excuse any duplication. Dear List Subscribers, Want to attend information technology workshops without ever leaving your library or office? Plan on attending an online workshop that is part of the Nylink Institute of Information technology Fluency, a project that was funded originally by an IMLS grant. Online workshops, lead by experienced Nylink trainers, eliminate the need for you to travel and spend time out of the library. You can take them at your own pace within the period each is offered, which is 4 - 5 weeks. These workshops are geared towards participants who want a workshop that focuses on providing introductory knowledge, skills and concepts of a topic. Each workshop includes weekly readings, exercises and assignments, and opportunity for asynchronous discussion with the instructor and other participants. Upcoming online workshops offered by Nylink are available as follows: September 13, 2004 - October 8, 2004 Introduction to Networking for Librarians http://nylink.suny.edu/training/network.htm Web Design for Librarians http://nylink.suny.edu/training/webdes.htm October 4, 2004 - October 29, 2004 Strategic Marketing for Academic and Research Libraries http://nylink.suny.edu/training/marketingonline.htm October 18, 2004 - November 12, 2004 Understanding Databases http://nylink.suny.edu/training/db.htm Understanding PCs and Operating Systems http://nylink.suny.edu/training/pcop.htm Technology and Intellectual Property: Copyright, the Internet, and Libraries http://nylink.suny.edu/training/intelprop.htm November 15, 2004 - December 17, 2004 Information Technology & Society http://nylink.suny.edu/training/info_soc.htm NEW, see note below Introduction to Networking for Librarians http://nylink.suny.edu/training/network.htm Web Design for Librarians http://nylink.suny.edu/training/webdes.htm User Interface Evaluation and Usability http://nylink.suny.edu/training/interface.htm NOTE: Nylink's Institute for Information Technology Fluency for Library Professionals has grown: "Information Technology & Society" has been added to the curriculum. This workshop, scheduled to begin November 15, examines how society impacts and is impacted by information technology, particularly in the context of libraries and information gathering. The class addresses topics such as patron privacy, filtering, computer security, intellectual property, digital divide, electronic publishing, spyware and others. Register for any of these online workshops on the Nylink web site at . We hope to see you online! Regards, Jane C. Neale Information Technology Coordinator Nylink State University Plaza Albany, NY 12246 e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu T (800) 342-3353 F (518) 432-4346 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dmattison at shaw.ca Mon Aug 23 00:26:10 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: alternative to NewsIsFree? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FeedPlex (http://www.feedplex.com/), founded in May 2004, bills itself as "The Archive of Syndication." So far they've managed to only index around 700 sources of the 12,000+ they feel are out there (RSS and other formats). It looks like, from my search of News Articles for the word "space," that they were going to cache content. When I tried the "Cached" link I got this message: "Our archived cache feature is currently under-development, as it was due launching at the end of May, 2004, but however, due to several inconvenient reasons, it is now delayed to be released to public." David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca The Ten Thousand Year Blog blurb on FeedPlex (http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress/index.php?p=623) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: August 19, 2004 3:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: alternative to NewsIsFree? Tara Calishain answered a question: > >Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? > >With the option of filtering news for certain topic and providing > >ready sources feeds blocks - e.g. Tech News > > Holy cow, there are billions of them at this point. Is there one that allows downloading of old news? A news feed is a daily flow, but is there anyone who archives them by day and year and allows a timeline-based search or presentation? Where can I dig up the news feeds for October 2002? Journal digitization projects such as JSTOR could in theory create news feeds from 1972 and 1872, but has anybody done this? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik From evflood at broadpark.no Mon Aug 23 02:21:10 2004 From: evflood at broadpark.no (evflood) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: Help with commentaries about Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <20040818210520.53068.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040823072124.51D232F71@mail.broadpark.no> Folks, I could use some help here. I am working on a short assesment on web based encyclopaedias and would like some pointers to (preferably) web sites with commentaries about Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/), preferably critical. Any pointers, in addition to Alain Vaillancourt's and other commentaries on the Web4lib list? It is frustrating searching for this because search engines give with the word "wikipedia" as search term pointers to articles *in* the Wikipedia and they drown out any stuff *about* the Wikipedia. Therefore this appeal to more selective and and experienced knowledge of distinguished colleagues! Even Even Flood, Senior Academic Librarian Ilevollen 3e N 7018 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 52 53 53/ +47 95 11 58 14 evflood@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~evflood/ "Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow." (Shakespeare) From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Mon Aug 23 10:08:37 2004 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: web based online encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds Message-ID: Hi, We plan to provide an online web based encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds? We also plan to restrict their access to this web site. Effectively, we are hoping to give them the experience of accessing information using a browser without incurring the headache of having to supervise their Internet access. Can anyone recommend a good encyclopedia for this purpose? Regards John ##################################################################################### This email has been scanned by MailMarshal, an email content filter. Hosted by Galway County Council ##################################################################################### ************************************************ This e-mail and any attachment contain information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ************************************************************** From freemanb at purdue.edu Mon Aug 23 11:28:35 2004 From: freemanb at purdue.edu (Freeman, Brook J.) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with commentaries about Wikipedia Message-ID: <53944D864FA5C945923FD522F8FF390A028D0214@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> If you are using google to search for websites the search 'wikipedia site: -wikipedia.org' does properly exclude anything with 'wikipedia.org' in the url. Brook -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of evflood Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with commentaries about Wikipedia Folks, I could use some help here. I am working on a short assesment on web based encyclopaedias and would like some pointers to (preferably) web sites with commentaries about Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/), preferably critical. Any pointers, in addition to Alain Vaillancourt's and other commentaries on the Web4lib list? It is frustrating searching for this because search engines give with the word "wikipedia" as search term pointers to articles *in* the Wikipedia and they drown out any stuff *about* the Wikipedia. Therefore this appeal to more selective and and experienced knowledge of distinguished colleagues! Even Even Flood, Senior Academic Librarian Ilevollen 3e N 7018 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 52 53 53/ +47 95 11 58 14 evflood@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~evflood/ "Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow." (Shakespeare) From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Aug 23 11:07:28 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with commentaries about Wikipedia Message-ID: These links might be useful: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/04/27/wikipedia/index_np.html http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue8_12/ciffolilli/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of evflood Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with commentaries about Wikipedia Folks, I could use some help here. I am working on a short assesment on web based encyclopaedias and would like some pointers to (preferably) web sites with commentaries about Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/), preferably critical. Any pointers, in addition to Alain Vaillancourt's and other commentaries on the Web4lib list? It is frustrating searching for this because search engines give with the word "wikipedia" as search term pointers to articles *in* the Wikipedia and they drown out any stuff *about* the Wikipedia. Therefore this appeal to more selective and and experienced knowledge of distinguished colleagues! Even Even Flood, Senior Academic Librarian Ilevollen 3e N 7018 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 52 53 53/ +47 95 11 58 14 evflood@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~evflood/ "Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow." (Shakespeare) From dmattison at shaw.ca Mon Aug 23 12:17:48 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with commentaries about Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <20040823072124.51D232F71@mail.broadpark.no> Message-ID: If you do a Google search you can use a string like < "criticism of wikipedia" -site:wikipedia.org > to eliminate all content originating directly from the Wikipedia site. It's short list. You can try variants of that phrasing/vocabulary to get other results. For example, < "wikipedia criticism" -site:wikipedia.org > yields one result. One of the results from the first search example, Disinfopedia.org's article on Wikipedia (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia) references Sam Williams, "Everyone is an editor", Salon, April 27, 2004 (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/04/27/wikipedia/index_np.html - requires a subscription for full content). Have you tried searching full-text commercial databases or some of the free full-text databases and eprint/preprint archives? I did find one citation in the xArchiv.org site which had "wiki" in the abstract, but isn't about Wikipedia: "WebTeach in practice: the entrance test to the Engineering faculty in Florence" by Franco Bagnoli, Fabio Franci, Francesco Mugelli, and Andrea Sterbini. David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki From RKALABUS at wwcc.wy.edu Mon Aug 23 13:11:07 2004 From: RKALABUS at wwcc.wy.edu (Robert Kalabus) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: Error Condition Re: Message-ID: Yes, I am (have been for years). But OK, I'll subscribe again. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:46 AM To: Robert Kalabus Subject: Error Condition Re: rkalabus@wwcc.wy.edu: You are not subscribed to web4lib@webjunction.org. Your message is returned to you unprocessed. If you want to subscribe, send mail to listproc@webjunction.org with the following request: subscribe WEB4LIB Your Name ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Is anyone using a Britannica Online searchbox on a library page? We subscribe through our state consortium and have been using an image link to go to Britannica's search page. I would like to save our users one step. I've looked at the source code on the Britannica search page, but it's too complicated for me. I did email Britannica to (1) see if they would permit it and (2) to ask for the code. But I haven't heard back from them yet. Robert Kalabus Hay Library Western Wyoming Community College ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From RKALABUS at wwcc.wy.edu Mon Aug 23 13:31:55 2004 From: RKALABUS at wwcc.wy.edu (Robert Kalabus) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Is anyone using a Britannica Online searchbox on a library page? We subscribe through our state consortium and have been using an image link to go to Britannica's search page. I would like to save our users one step. I've looked at the source code on the Britannica search page, but it's too complicated for me. I did email Britannica to (1) see if they would permit it and (2) to ask for the code. But I haven't heard back from them yet. Robert Kalabus Hay Library Western Wyoming Community College (Sorry about sending my error messages to the list. All I want to do is ask this simple question above.) ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From SBERGIN at grcc.edu Mon Aug 23 13:56:07 2004 From: SBERGIN at grcc.edu (Susan Bergin) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: Position Available Message-ID: Please excuse duplication. Grand Rapids Community College position: SYSTEMS, LIBRARY WEB PAGE, USER SUPPORT, REFERENCE AND INSTRUCTION LIBRARIAN Position Number: EP11 Hours: 35 hours/42 weeks Salary: Faculty: MA Degree Hiring Salary Range: $52,713-$57,736 Reports to: Director of Library Services MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES Provide Reference and instruction; administer and coordinate the Integrated Library System (ILS), the GRCC Library Website, and Library PCs. Please visit our Human Resources Web site for more information on this position. Librarians are faculty members at Grand Rapids Community College. http:www.grcc.edu/?jobopportunities GENERAL INFORMATION GRCC is especially interested in candidates who have the right combination of professional expertise, attitude, and abilities and candidates who embrace technology and a variety of effective teaching methods. As a college community working to support learners, we value: ? Our community of learners as the essence of our work ? Integrity, accountability, and responsible risk taking ? A high quality learning environment that is nurturing and challenging ? A working environment characterized by collaboration and shared responsibility for the whole ? Innovation and creativity ? Diversity and respect for all people ? Strong community connections METHOD OF APPLICATION Submit a cover letter (including the position number EP11), resume, copy of unofficial transcripts, and three professional reference letters to Human Resources, Grand Rapids Community College, 143 Bostwick NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503-3295. Review of applications will begin September 3, 2004, however this position will remain open until filled. Note: If items are sent separately, items should reference your name and the position/position number for which you are applying. Grand Rapids Community College is an equal opportunity employer. Susan Bergin Director of Library Services Grand Rapids Community College Grand Rapids, MI 49503 sbergin@grcc.edu Librarian serving: Art, Biology, Chemistry, Fashion Merchandising, German, Interior Decorating and Design, Physics and Political Science departments of GRCC Libraries will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no libraries. From evflood at broadpark.no Mon Aug 23 13:19:42 2004 From: evflood at broadpark.no (evflood) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: Thanks for Help with commentaries about Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <004c01c48912$461bf330$102c1c8a@K05857> Message-ID: <20040823181955.83A551283@mail.broadpark.no> Ok everyone, thanks a lot for help and pointers about wikipedia comments! I really appreciate it, a great help. And, eh, thanks for showing me how to avoid search sites when using Google. Good grief, I should have known how to do that. I have been giving seminars in searching Internet for years! Don't tell I anyone I asked, OK? Even (very red faced) Even Flood, Senior Academic Librarian Ilevollen 3e N 7018 Trondheim, Norway. Phone: +47 73 52 53 53/ +47 95 11 58 14 evflood@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~evflood/ "Come, and take choice of all my library, and so beguile thy sorrow." (Shakespeare) From dmattison at shaw.ca Mon Aug 23 12:29:59 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web based online encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Canadian Encyclopedia Online (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/) includes the English text of the Junior Encyclopedia of Canada (its called TCE Junior Version on the site). The latter used to be available separately, but it looks like it's all integrated now. Searches include the ability to limit content to just the TCE Junior Version. You'd have to talk to The Canadian Encyclopedia staff to find out if it's possible to restrict access to just content from the TCE Junior Version. David Mattison dmattison@shaw.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon Sent: August 23, 2004 7:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] web based online encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds Hi, We plan to provide an online web based encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds? We also plan to restrict their access to this web site. Effectively, we are hoping to give them the experience of accessing information using a browser without incurring the headache of having to supervise their Internet access. Can anyone recommend a good encyclopedia for this purpose? Regards John ############################################################################ ######### This email has been scanned by MailMarshal, an email content filter. 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[ http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines ] Our public server only allows PERL [:-( Thanks! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Top Five Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell [Eric Arthur Blair] (1903-1950) British author From lars at aronsson.se Mon Aug 23 20:00:37 2004 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry Mckiernan wrote: > What top Five PERL WIKI Engines would you recommend? > [ http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines ] > Our public server only allows PERL [:-( Three years ago, UseModWiki (in Perl) was considered pretty good. Today, you should get PHP on your public server and run MediaWiki. And, GERRY!!1!, wiki is spelled wiki in lower case. -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik From drweb at san.rr.com Mon Aug 23 20:46:54 2004 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web based online encyclopedia for eight to twelve year olds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408240046.i7O0krXr004619@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> John, At San Diego Public Library, we use the Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia for this audience/target patron population. You can see more at http://auth.grolier.com/cgi-bin/updatelist?templatename=/marketing/librarian .html#Subscribe There's a free trial offer there, too. Our version online has La Nueva Enciclopedia Cumbre (Spanish) and Encyclopedia Americana. We have remote access via IP authentication with Library Card & PIN frontdoor (remote patrons). Hope this helps... Best, Michael *speaking only for himself* -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Toys are made in heaven, batteries are made in hell. Monday, August 23, 2004 5:39:21 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of John Fitzgibbon >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:12 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] web based online encyclopedia for eight to >twelve year olds > >Hi, > >We plan to provide an online web based encyclopedia for eight >to twelve year olds? We also plan to restrict their access to >this web site. Effectively, we are hoping to give them the >experience of accessing information using a browser without >incurring the headache of having to supervise their Internet access. > >Can anyone recommend a good encyclopedia for this purpose? > >Regards >John From sukj at hawaii.edu Mon Aug 23 21:29:20 2004 From: sukj at hawaii.edu (Suk Hee Jang) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: SUBSCRIBE web4lib Sukhee Jang Message-ID: <168a1351685e8f.1685e8f168a135@hawaii.edu> I'd like to subscribe web4lib as a digest one. SUBSCRIBE web4lib Sukhee Jang. Thanks in advance! Sukhee From richmond at hray.com Mon Aug 23 22:54:01 2004 From: richmond at hray.com (Rich Ackerman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT), Lars Aronsson wrote: > Gerry Mckiernan wrote: > >> What top Five PERL WIKI Engines would you recommend? >> [ http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines ] >> Our public server only allows PERL [:-( > > Three years ago, UseModWiki (in Perl) was considered pretty good. > Today, you should get PHP on your public server and run MediaWiki. UseModWiki is still pretty good; it took about five minutes to install a copy this afternoon to play with. It's simple and it works. Other perl implementations described at http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OtherWikis include Twiki, Kwiki, and Woha. > And, GERRY!!1!, wiki is spelled wiki in lower case. So is perl. Rich Ackerman From Greg.Barkovich at city.burnaby.bc.ca Tue Aug 24 12:38:22 2004 From: Greg.Barkovich at city.burnaby.bc.ca (Barkovich, Greg) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: We have some opac and database dedicated terminals that we don't want the public to use for general web browsing. We are using public web browser to shut down address bar, etc. but both types of terminals also require the use of adobe acrobat. The new version of acrobat comes with an advertisement button that is a link to the adobe site (top right). Our youngest patrons quickly figured out how to use this as a hole to the greater web. Does anyone have any idea how to shut this down? Greg Barkovich, Librarian Burnaby Public Library 6100 Willingdon Ave. Burnaby, BC V5H 4N5 604-436-5425 phone 604-436-9087 fax www.bpl.bc.ca NOTE: The contents of this message may not necessarily reflect the position of Burnaby Public Library. If you have concerns about this message, please email bpl@bpl.burnaby.bc.ca. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Aug 24 12:59:33 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040824165945.A4A65C1500F@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > > And, GERRY!!1!, wiki is spelled wiki in lower case. > > So is perl. > > Rich Ackerman Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical Extraction and Research Language). Then again, perhaps it should be lower case, along with email, web, etc. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 24 13:03:03 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: Converting files to PDF for the web Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D543D@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Before I changed over to XP on my laptop, I had a free print driver that converted any file printed to it to PDF. I was using it to convert handouts created in Word into PDF format for our users to print from our website. Anyone got the name of the driver and where I can find it again? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 24 13:17:26 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Converting files to PDF for the web Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D544E@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Thanks for all of the suggestions off list. I found the one I was using, PrimoPDF at http://www.primopdf.com/. -----Original Message----- From: Drew, Bill [mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Converting files to PDF for the web From Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu Tue Aug 24 13:20:30 2004 From: Vermeersch.Scott at mayo.edu (Vermeersch, Scott M.) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Acrobat opening IE Message-ID: <44DC0A850253E940A9697738134B73A059639D@excsrv53.mayo.edu> Greg, Some web plug-ins, such as Adobe Acrobat, have been hard coded to open Internet Explorer no matter what browser is set as the default. You can use ManageIE available on the TeamSoftware Solutions download page to prevent IE from opening. Scott Vermeersch Computer Systems Analyst Mayo Medical Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Barkovich, Greg Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] We have some opac and database dedicated terminals that we don't want the public to use for general web browsing. We are using public web browser to shut down address bar, etc. but both types of terminals also require the use of adobe acrobat. The new version of acrobat comes with an advertisement button that is a link to the adobe site (top right). Our youngest patrons quickly figured out how to use this as a hole to the greater web. =20 Does anyone have any idea how to shut this down? =20 Greg Barkovich, Librarian Burnaby Public Library 6100 Willingdon Ave. Burnaby, BC V5H 4N5 604-436-5425 phone 604-436-9087 fax www.bpl.bc.ca =20 =20 NOTE: The contents of this message may not necessarily reflect the position of Burnaby Public Library. If you have concerns about this message, please email bpl@bpl.burnaby.bc.ca. =20 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From cmurdock at ccfls.org Tue Aug 24 13:23:32 2004 From: cmurdock at ccfls.org (c. murdock) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Converting files to PDF for the web In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D543D@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D543D@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <200408241323.32451.cmurdock@ccfls.org> I don't know where to find the driver, but if you can't find it, you could always use OpenOffice to convert the Word documents to PDF. It works pretty well. _________________________ Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library | Crawford County Federated Library System meadvillelibrary.org | ccfls.org On Tuesday 24 August 2004 01:03 pm, Drew, Bill wrote: > Before I changed over to XP on my laptop, I had a free print driver > that converted any file printed to it to PDF. I was using it to > convert handouts created in Word into PDF format for our users to > print from our website. Anyone got the name of the driver and where I > can find it again? > > Wilfred (Bill) Drew > Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference > Morrisville State College Library > E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu > AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 > BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ > Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ > Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ > SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ -- From cjh8 at calvin.edu Tue Aug 24 13:25:48 2004 From: cjh8 at calvin.edu (Christopher Hirt) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Converting files to PDF for the web Message-ID: Try PDFCreator, an open-source PDF printer. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ If you're into adware, then there are plenty of them out there. Just google for "print pdf" pdf995 is one of them http://www.pdf995.com/ Hope this helps, Christopher Hirt Library Systems Programmer Calvin College - Hekman Library Grand Rapids, MI www.calvin.edu/library >>> "Drew, Bill" 8/24/2004 1:03:46 PM >>> Before I changed over to XP on my laptop, I had a free print driver that converted any file printed to it to PDF. I was using it to convert handouts created in Word into PDF format for our users to print from our website. Anyone got the name of the driver and where I can find it again? From cjh8 at calvin.edu Tue Aug 24 13:31:09 2004 From: cjh8 at calvin.edu (Christopher Hirt) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Acrobat opening IE Message-ID: Or you could just use Acrobat Reader 5. I'm not sure they changed a lot in the new version, other than the ad-image in the corner :) Christopher Hirt Library Systems Programmer Calvin College - Hekman Library Grand Rapids, MI www.calvin.edu/library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Barkovich, Greg Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] We have some opac and database dedicated terminals that we don't want the public to use for general web browsing. We are using public web browser to shut down address bar, etc. but both types of terminals also require the use of adobe acrobat. The new version of acrobat comes with an advertisement button that is a link to the adobe site (top right). Our youngest patrons quickly figured out how to use this as a hole to the greater web. =20 Does anyone have any idea how to shut this down? =20 Greg Barkovich, Librarian From richmond at hray.com Tue Aug 24 13:52:19 2004 From: richmond at hray.com (Rich Ackerman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040824165945.A4A65C1500F@frontend1.messagingengine.com> References: <20040824165945.A4A65C1500F@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT), K.G. Schneider wrote: >> > And, GERRY!!1!, wiki is spelled wiki in lower case. >> >> So is perl. >> >> Rich Ackerman > > Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals > it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical > Extraction and Research Language). > > Then again, perhaps it should be lower case, along with email, web, etc. Er, no, it could be "Perl" or it could be "perl" but it certainly isn't PERL, as Gerry said, and it wasn't derived as an acronym for "Practical Extraction and Research Language" either. The FAQ ( http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/perlfaq1.html ) says that the author of the language now uses two spellings, one for the language ("Perl") and one for the interpreter ("perl"). However, it also says that either spelling is correct for either usage, depending on context. Since much of perl acts that way, it's sort of an inside joke. (Most of perl culture consists of a big inside joke.) From the FAQ: "What's the difference between "perl" and "Perl"? "One bit. Oh, you weren't talking ASCII? :-) Larry now uses "Perl" to signify the language proper and "perl" the implementation of it, i.e. the current interpreter. Hence Tom's quip that "Nothing but perl can parse Perl." You may or may not choose to follow this usage. For example, parallelism means "awk and perl" and "Python and Perl" look OK, while "awk and Perl" and "Python and perl" do not. But never write "PERL", because perl isn't really an acronym, apocryphal folklore and post-facto expansions notwithstanding." Thus "perl wiki" is more perlish than "Perl wiki" (by the perl FAQ rule of parallelism.) The "Larry" is Larry Wall, who wrote perl (the interpreter) and invented Perl (the language). "Tom" is Tom Christiansen, co-author of the 2nd edition of "Programming Perl." It's interesting to note that the title of the first edition of that book is "Programming perl" - they changed the case of the word in the title of the second edition. Also interesting is the preface which states perl is the "Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister." Best wishes, Rich From buff at pobox.com Tue Aug 24 13:54:30 2004 From: buff at pobox.com (William Denton) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040824165945.A4A65C1500F@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20040824135111.M76515-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> On 24 August 2004, K.G. Schneider wrote: : Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals : it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical : Extraction and Research Language). Perl the language is just "Perl." Any acronyms were made up after the name. See "What is the difference between Perl and perl?" in the Perl FAQ at http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/perlfaq1.html | One bit. Oh, you weren't talking ASCII? :-) Larry now uses "Perl" to | signify the language proper and "perl" the implementation of it, i.e. | the current interpreter. Hence Tom's quip that "Nothing but perl can | parse Perl." You may or may not choose to follow this usage. For | example, parallelism means "awk and perl" and "Python and Perl" look OK, | while "awk and Perl" and "Python and perl" do not. But never write | "PERL", because perl isn't really an acronym, apocryphal folklore and | post-facto expansions notwithstanding. Bill -- William Denton : Toronto, Canada : http://www.miskatonic.org/ : Caveat lector. From nabeta at x-il.jp Tue Aug 24 14:15:38 2004 From: nabeta at x-il.jp (Kosuke Tanabe) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: Acrobat opening IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040825023825.E368.NABETA@x-il.jp> Hello Greg, Try the following: 1. Run "regedit.exe". 2. Open the following registry key. [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Adobe\Acrobat Reader\6.0] 3. Create a new key and rename it to "FeatureLockDown". 4. Open the key and add a DWORD entry named "bShowAdsAllow", and set the value to "0". On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) "Barkovich, Greg" wrote: > We have some opac and database dedicated terminals that we don't want > the public to use for general web browsing. We are using public web > browser to shut down address bar, etc. but both types of terminals also > require the use of adobe acrobat. The new version of acrobat comes with > an advertisement button that is a link to the adobe site (top right). > Our youngest patrons quickly figured out how to use this as a hole to > the greater web. > =20 > Does anyone have any idea how to shut this down? > =20 -- Kosuke Tanabe From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 24 14:18:02 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040824135111.M76515-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> References: <20040824135111.M76515-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> Message-ID: <412B865A.9070500@ohiolink.edu> William Denton wrote: >On 24 August 2004, K.G. Schneider wrote: > >: Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals >: it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical >: Extraction and Research Language). > >Perl the language is just "Perl." Any acronyms were made up after the >name. See "What is the difference between Perl and perl?" in the Perl >FAQ at > > http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/perlfaq1.html > > > > One more note on the derivation and spelling of the name, from the "Other Oddments" chapter of the first edition of O'Reilly's (arguably authoritative) Camel Book, by Larry Wall and Randal Schwartz: It wasn't originally called Perl. Larry bandied about a number of names with his officemates and cohorts... One of the earliest names was "Gloria," after his sweetheart (and wife). He soon decided that it would cause too much domestic confusion. The name then became "Pearl" which mutated into our present day "Perl," partly because Larry saw a reference to a graphic language called "pearl," but mostly because he's too lazy to type 5 letters all the time. And, of course, so that Perl could be used as a 4 letter word. (You'll note, however, the vestiges of the former spelling in the acronym's gloss: "Practical Extraction *And* Report Language.) Absolutists seeking closure on the topic will be aggravated to know that the Camel Book's official title is "Programming perl". -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Yi.Kong at cityofhouston.net Wed Aug 25 10:44:15 2004 From: Yi.Kong at cityofhouston.net (Kong, Yi - HPL) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Password for Intranet Message-ID: <0BD1505F7EB5114B9956F32D699303C93CDC64@611wex03.cityofhouston.net> Our library wants to adjust our Intranet setting. Originally staff can access with their password and a few sites are protected with "group", so only those members of group can access the pages. Now we want to let staff access the main pages without password inside of library ( at staff VLAN with private IP ), but still want keep the outside access and those special sites passworded. We use apache web server. Under document root, we have directories and those special sites are among the directories. I did some test. The problem for us is set main page with no password from inside but require a password for directory under it. Any suggestion are appreciated Yi Kong __________________________________________________________________ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed Spam messages and set aside Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com From richmond at hray.com Wed Aug 25 13:00:03 2004 From: richmond at hray.com (Rich Ackerman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: <7ED54561DE5FE74CBA1A68037020A608043B08B0@message2.umt.edu> References: <7ED54561DE5FE74CBA1A68037020A608043B08B0@message2.umt.edu> Message-ID: From the Post-Standard: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 AL FASOLDT STAFF WRITER In a column published a few weeks ago by my companion Dr. Gizmo, readers were urged to go to the Wikipedia Web site at www.wikipedia. org/wiki/Main Page , an online encyclopedia, for more information on computer history. The doctor and I had figured Wikipedia was a good independent source. Not so, wrote a school librarian who read that article. Susan Stagnitta, of the Liverpool High School library, explained that Wikipedia is not what many casual Web surfers think it is. full article: http://www.syracuse.com/technology/poststandard/fasoldt/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1093338972139211.xml I thought Gerry & others might find this interesting. It highlights the problem of authority in wikis, one reason that a wiki is probably not appropriate for scholarly communication. Rich Ackerman From Bess.Moffitt at cwt.com Wed Aug 25 13:27:08 2004 From: Bess.Moffitt at cwt.com (Bess Moffitt) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Message-ID: That article might be very really interesting, however I was sorry to find another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, well maybe, but my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't care what anyone says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving out more information that I have to. Just my opinion. Bess ======================================= Bess Reynolds Moffitt Technical Services Librarian Cadwalader, Wickersham and Taft LLP bess.moffitt (at ) cwt.com voice: 212-412-7119 fax: 212-412-7041 ======================================= "Rich Ackerman" > cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Office: Sent by: web4lib@sunsite3.b erkeley.edu 08/25/2004 01:08 PM Please respond to richmond From the Post-Standard: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 AL FASOLDT STAFF WRITER In a column published a few weeks ago by my companion Dr. Gizmo, readers were urged to go to the Wikipedia Web site at www.wikipedia. org/wiki/Main Page , an online encyclopedia, for more information on computer history. The doctor and I had figured Wikipedia was a good independent source. Not so, wrote a school librarian who read that article. Susan Stagnitta, of the Liverpool High School library, explained that Wikipedia is not what many casual Web surfers think it is. full article: http://www.syracuse.com/technology/poststandard/fasoldt/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1093338972139211.xml I thought Gerry & others might find this interesting. It highlights the problem of authority in wikis, one reason that a wiki is probably not appropriate for scholarly communication. Rich Ackerman ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information; please advise the sender immediately by reply email and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that may affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== From morbus at disobey.com Wed Aug 25 13:38:28 2004 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825132311.0297e948@red.totalnetnh.net> This article rubs me the wrong way, personally. There are just as many sites out there that DON'T have disclaimers on them, yet are used for reference far more often than not. Say I want to research mythology. Should I use pantheon.net, which looks all professional, and has an entry on centaurs, focusing only on Greek mythology: http://www.pantheon.org/areas/bestiary/articles.html (which is great if my worldview is focal to that theology, and not say, on the evolution of centaurs into other books, games, and similar races). Or should I use wikipedia.org: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurs which has far more to say, far more "links" to "learn" from, and an exact history of what was modified, by whom, and when: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Centaur&action=history As an anal librarian, researcher, or scholar, I would MUCH prefer to lend my talents to wikipedia.org, correcting any errors I might personally see, contacting those who made said errors, et cetera. Also, the librarian who sent the email didn't mention/know that wikipedia.org HAS been recently adding "authoritative" date, now copyright free, from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica "The 1911 edition is no longer restricted by copyright, and it is available in several more modern forms. Much content from the 1911 edition has been incorporated into Wikipedia; a quick count in July 2004 claimed around 1950 articles. A large number of these are about historical figures or events, and are unlikely to require much revision to remain excellent summaries for the ... future." What this one librarian deems "too far", I see as a strength: I'd much rather be able to correct an error RIGHT NOW then to contact a supposedly authoritative site, inform them of an error, and receive no response, lackluster hubris, or worse yet, blanket acceptance (as blanket acceptance of a fact on an authoritative site is worse than a lie on an unauthoritative site). Similarly, I doubt that pantheon.org would be interested in listing the "evolution" of centaurs and the suffix "taur" into non-mythological, but related, beasts. -- Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From e-wigg at epl.org Wed Aug 25 13:42:26 2004 From: e-wigg at epl.org (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2107DAD8-F6BE-11D8-9FEE-0003939AF2A6@epl.org> "Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source" Despite what the librarian in the article claims, critical thinking does not require you to rely on appeals to authority. The Encyclopeadia Britannica contains errors, and the Wikipedia contains much that is correct. Blindly accepting something from either source is a mistake: editorial reputation may be a strong indicator of correctness, but it is no guarantee. Likewise much that is in the Wikipedia is correct despite its lack of editors; it may well make a good STARTING PLACE for finding out more on a subject. If she is against blind reliance on what you find on the Internet then I'm in agreement, but then I'm against blind reliance on printed sources too. There is also something perverse about complaining that anyone can change the content of an article in a wiki -- isn't that the whole point? Edward From morbus at disobey.com Wed Aug 25 13:50:04 2004 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825134850.02996908@red.totalnetnh.net> >That article might be very really interesting, however I was sorry to find >another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, well maybe, but >my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't care what anyone >says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving out more information Yup. I hear ya. If they're gonna waste my time with privacy questions, I'm gonna waste their time by inputing false data. I'm a female from zipcode 11111 (why bother accepting zipcodes if you're not gonna check integrity?) who is 50 or so years old. Excelsior! Anyways, I pasted it below for you. Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Wednesday, August 25, 2004 AL FASOLDT STAFF WRITER In a column published a few weeks ago by my companion Dr. Gizmo, readers were urged to go to the Wikipedia Web site at www.wikipedia. org/wiki/Main Page , an online encyclopedia, for more information on computer history. The doctor and I had figured Wikipedia was a good independent source. Not so, wrote a school librarian who read that article. Susan Stagnitta, of the Liverpool High School library, explained that Wikipedia is not what many casual Web surfers think it is. It's not the online version of an established, well-researched traditional encyclopedia. Instead, Wikipedia is a do-it-yourself encyclopedia, without any credentials. "As a high school librarian, part of my job is to help my students develop critical thinking skills," Stagnitta wrote. "One of these skills is to evaluate the authority of any information source. The Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. It even states this in their disclaimer on their Web site." Wikipedia, she explains, takes the idea of open source one step too far for most of us. "Anyone can change the content of an article in the Wikipedia, and there is no editorial review of the content. I use this Web site as a learning experience for my students. Many of them have used it in the past for research and were very surprised when we investigated the authority of the site." Stagnitta gives two quotes from the Wikipedia site that illustrate the problem. From the home page: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written collaboratively by its readers. The site is a Wiki, meaning that anyone, including you, can also edit any article right now by clicking on the edit this page link that appears at the top of every Wikipedia article." From the disclaimer page: "WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY. "Wikipedia is an online open-content encyclopedia, that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups who are developing a common resource of human knowledge. Its structure allows any individual with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter the content found here. "Therefore, please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals who are knowledgeable in the particular areas of expertise necessary to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information about any subject in Wikipedia." I was amazed at how little I knew about Wikipedia. If you know of other supposedly authoritative Web sites that are untrustworthy, send a note to technology@syracuse.com and let me know about them. The best thing about the Web is also the worst thing: Information is all over the place. You need to be careful about trusting what you read. -- Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca Wed Aug 25 13:59:57 2004 From: Peter.Binkley at ualberta.ca (Binkley, Peter) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Message-ID: <7969B9C188C0DC47A59B02C0EC5CBFB42C51C2@libmail> Note further that it is an oversimplification to say that "there is no editorial review of the content". Changes are under constant review by the community of users. You couldn't run a traditional encyclopedia that way, and we don't really know yet whether the model is sustainable, but I don't think it should be dismissed as "non-authoritative" as if it were in the same category as personal blogs. The community regulates itself through a set of defined policies and structures, which e.g. deal with "edit wars" through a dispute resolution mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution). Vandalism is quickly detected and reversed. You lose something in traditional authority, but you gain in the correction of errors and removal of obsolete information by the community. We get excellent software out of the open model, and in my experience with wikipedia we get a pretty good encyclopedia, too. Peter Peter Binkley, Ph.D., MLIS Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley@ualberta.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Morbus Iff [mailto:morbus@disobey.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source > > > > This article rubs me the wrong way, personally. There are > just as many sites out there that DON'T have disclaimers on > them, yet are used for reference far more often than not. Say > I want to research mythology. Should I use pantheon.net, > which looks all professional, and has an entry on centaurs, > focusing only on Greek mythology: > > http://www.pantheon.org/areas/bestiary/articles.html > > (which is great if my worldview is focal to that theology, > and not say, on the evolution of centaurs into other books, > games, and similar races). Or should I use wikipedia.org: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurs > > which has far more to say, far more "links" to "learn" from, > and an exact history of what was modified, by whom, and when: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Centaur&action=history As an anal librarian, researcher, or scholar, I would MUCH prefer to lend my talents to wikipedia.org, correcting any errors I might personally see, contacting those who made said errors, et cetera. Also, the librarian who sent the email didn't mention/know that wikipedia.org HAS been recently adding "authoritative" date, now copyright free, from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica "The 1911 edition is no longer restricted by copyright, and it is available in several more modern forms. Much content from the 1911 edition has been incorporated into Wikipedia; a quick count in July 2004 claimed around 1950 articles. A large number of these are about historical figures or events, and are unlikely to require much revision to remain excellent summaries for the ... future." What this one librarian deems "too far", I see as a strength: I'd much rather be able to correct an error RIGHT NOW then to contact a supposedly authoritative site, inform them of an error, and receive no response, lackluster hubris, or worse yet, blanket acceptance (as blanket acceptance of a fact on an authoritative site is worse than a lie on an unauthoritative site). Similarly, I doubt that pantheon.org would be interested in listing the "evolution" of centaurs and the suffix "taur" into non-mythological, but related, beasts. -- Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From Denyse_Seaman at baylor.edu Wed Aug 25 14:41:08 2004 From: Denyse_Seaman at baylor.edu (Seaman, Denyse) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Job Postings--Baylor University Message-ID: <26815A0B3111BC4AB6BE3FD09F7AE431FFBD1F@FS-EXCHANGE1.baylor.edu> Baylor University 2 Librarian positions Collection Development Librarian: The Baylor University Libraries invite applications for the position of Collection Development Librarian. The Collection Development Librarian provides leadership, management, and planning for all aspects of collection development. Primary responsibilities include assessment of the information needs of library users, collection interpretation and evaluation, selection of information resources, and coordination of the library consultant program. Required qualifications: Master's degree in library or information science from an ALA-accredited program with minimum of relevant three years post-MLS professional experience in collection development and/or reference in an academic institution; familiarity with current collection development philosophy and practice in academic libraries; experience in evaluating and developing academic library collections; demonstrated leadership in facilitating collaborative problem solving and group decision-making; and demonstrated ability to communicate effectively with people at all levels, both orally and in writing. Send letter of application; resume; and three professional references (names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email addresses) to: Beth Tice, Collection Development Librarian Search Committee, One Bear Place #97148, Waco, TX 76798-7148 or Beth_Tice@Baylor.edu. Email submissions must be followed up by a mailed, paper copy. Serial and Electronic Resources Catalog Librarian: The Baylor University Libraries invite applications for the position of Serials & Electronic Resources Catalog Librarian. This is an academic professional position with faculty rank and status. Primary responsibilities include original cataloging of serials and electronic resources, supervising the Serials and Electronic Resources Cataloging Assistant, training Bibliographic Access Unit in serials and electronic resource format cataloging and keeping unit up to date on trends in cataloging for these formats, and assisting Bibliographic Access Unit Leader in the leadership and overall direction of the unit. Required qualifications: Master's degree in library or information science from an ALA-accredited program with demonstrated knowledge and experience in serials and electronic resources cataloging (recent professional or paraprofessional experience in an academic institution preferred); extensive knowledge of AACR2, LC classification, LCSH, MARC formats, and catalog management procedures/techniques; working knowledge of PC workstation applications, OCLC cataloging utilities, and local integrated online library systems (Innovative Interfaces products preferred); working knowledge of a foreign language (modern European or Asian language preferred); and ability to interact effectively with a diverse campus population, both orally and in writing. Send letter of application; resume; and three professional references (names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email addresses) to: Bruce Evans, Serials & Electronic Resources Catalog Librarian Search Committee, One Bear Place #97151, Waco, TX 76798-7151 or Bruce_Evans@Baylor.edu . Email submissions must be followed up by a mailed, paper copy. ------ Salary & benefits: Salary commensurate with qualifications and experience. Librarian positions are academic professionals with faculty rank and status. 12 month contract. Competitive benefits with 20 days annual leave. Baylor University is located in Waco, Texas, midway between Dallas/Fort Worth and Austin. Waco enjoys a low cost of living and no state or local income tax. For more information about the Libraries and Baylor University, please visit our website at http://www3.baylor.edu/Library. Applications will be reviewed beginning September 10, 2004, and will be accepted until the position is filled. To ensure full consideration, your application must be completed by October 10, 2004. Baylor University is affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas. As an Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity employer, Baylor encourages minorities, women and persons with disabilities to apply. From quetel at uiuc.edu Wed Aug 25 14:44:43 2004 From: quetel at uiuc.edu (Julie Quetel) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Don't use Wikipedia as source Message-ID: Wikipedia, like ALL sites and sources, should be evaluated as to source, context, editorial process etc. I probably wouldn't cite it as an authoritative source but it serves as an excellent source of possible ways to expand a search on a topic I may or may not be familiar with, particularly as an inexperienced searcher. As a teaching tool it also provokes discussion on critical evaluation of internet sources. (First post to this list, feedback on whether this was properly addressed etc welcome) Julie Quetel University of Illinois Graduate School of Information & Library Science From hewlett at usfca.edu Wed Aug 25 16:10:18 2004 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Wikipedia References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825132311.0297e948@red.totalnetnh.net> Message-ID: <412CF22A.57733201@usfca.edu> I took my first look at Wikipedia today, and I was impressed. It may not be totally authoritative, but I checked some articles where I know the subject (Centaur, Horse, various horse-related subjects) and they seemed to have been written by knowledgeable people. (Perhaps their first draft came from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica? There was a definite British focus, and some of the material did seem a bit dated.) In addition to standard topics, there was extensive coverage of subjects I wouldn't expect to find in most general encyclopedias (Furry fiction, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.) Changes to the material are well-documented, and there seems to be a serious effort to expand the articles and make them useful and literate. I would use it for personal research, although I'd still provide a few caveats before recommending it to students. Incidentally, they are looking for some experts to expand the "stub" article about Libraries at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library Anyone interested? Jean Hewlett Regional Librarian, North Bay Campus, University of San Francisco Morbus Iff wrote: > This article rubs me the wrong way, personally. There are just as > many sites out there that DON'T have disclaimers on them, yet are > used for reference far more often than not. Say I want to research > mythology. Should I use pantheon.net, which looks all professional, > and has an entry on centaurs, focusing only on Greek mythology: > > http://www.pantheon.org/areas/bestiary/articles.html > > (which is great if my worldview is focal to that theology, and > not say, on the evolution of centaurs into other books, games, > and similar races). Or should I use wikipedia.org: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurs > > which has far more to say, far more "links" to "learn" from, > and an exact history of what was modified, by whom, and when: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Centaur&action=history > > As an anal librarian, researcher, or scholar, I would MUCH prefer > to lend my talents to wikipedia.org, correcting any errors I might > personally see, contacting those who made said errors, et cetera. > > Also, the librarian who sent the email didn't mention/know that > wikipedia.org HAS been recently adding "authoritative" date, > now copyright free, from: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica > "The 1911 edition is no longer restricted by > copyright, and it > is available in several more modern forms. Much content from the > 1911 edition has been incorporated into > Wikipedia; a quick count > in July 2004 claimed around 1950 articles. A large number of these > are about historical figures or events, and are unlikely to require > much revision to remain excellent summaries for the ... future." > > What this one librarian deems "too far", I see as a strength: I'd > much rather be able to correct an error RIGHT NOW then to contact a > supposedly authoritative site, inform them of an error, and receive > no response, lackluster hubris, or worse yet, blanket acceptance (as > blanket acceptance of a fact on an authoritative site is worse than > a lie on an unauthoritative site). Similarly, I doubt that pantheon.org > would be interested in listing the "evolution" of centaurs and the > suffix "taur" into non-mythological, but related, beasts. > > -- > Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) > Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ > Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom > icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From may_chang at ncsu.edu Wed Aug 25 16:12:19 2004 From: may_chang at ncsu.edu (May Chang) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: CMS conference Message-ID: <412CF2A3.2030601@ncsu.edu> Hello all -- The following conference may be of interest to those looking into web content management technologies, developments and issues. I attended the previous one in Los Angeles and found it useful. The Gilbane Conference on Content Management Technologies & Best Practices Nov 30 - Dec 2, 2004 Boston, MA tp://www.gilbane.com/CM_conference_Boston_04.html May From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Aug 25 16:35:19 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040824135111.M76515-100000@as2.dm.egate.net> Message-ID: <20040825203524.2D82CC15182@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > : Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals > : it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical > : Extraction and Research Language). > > Perl the language is just "Perl." Any acronyms were made up after the > name. See "What is the difference between Perl and perl?" in the Perl > FAQ at > It doesn't matter when an acronym is created; if it's created after the fact, it's still an acronym. Kittens and Rabbits Eaten Never, Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From DobbsA at apsu.edu Wed Aug 25 16:46:11 2004 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? Message-ID: <2B123AD3FDBDF248B7F8DA9A8064F30E5F73CB@exchange2.apsu.edu> But wouldn't that be KaREN, Karen? I might have fallen victim to a tiny little temptation towards hyperbole. It overtakes me at inconvenient times. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? Kittens and Rabbits Eaten Never, Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From stephen_meyer at ncsu.edu Wed Aug 25 16:49:02 2004 From: stephen_meyer at ncsu.edu (Stephen Meyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040825203524.2D82CC15182@frontend1.messagingengine.com> References: <20040825203524.2D82CC15182@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <412CFB3E.1050809@ncsu.edu> From Learning Perl, 3rd Edition by Tom Phoenix and Randal L. Schwartz, footnote in the Intoduction: "It's actually a retronym, not an acronym. That is, Larry came up with the name first, and the expansion later. That's why "Perl" isn't in all caps." K.G. Schneider wrote: >>: Er, no, a quick check (in Google, I searched with define: perl) reveals >>: it is "Perl," a proper noun derived from an acronym (Practical >>: Extraction and Research Language). >> >>Perl the language is just "Perl." Any acronyms were made up after the >>name. See "What is the difference between Perl and perl?" in the Perl >>FAQ at >> > > > It doesn't matter when an acronym is created; if it's created after the > fact, it's still an acronym. > > Kittens and Rabbits Eaten Never, > > Karen G. Schneider > kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > > -- _____________________________________________ Stephen Meyer NCSU Libraries Fellow North Carolina State University Home Dept: Textiles Project Dept: Systems Phone: 919.513.3862 Phone: 919.515.7694 Fax: 919.515.3926 Fax: 919.513.3330 stephen_meyer@ncsu.edu _____________________________________________ From lgot at loc.gov Wed Aug 25 18:14:39 2004 From: lgot at loc.gov (Laura Gottesman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: Frederick Douglass Papers at the Library of Congress: Final Online Release Message-ID: The Library of Congress is pleased to announce the final release of the Frederick Douglass Papers at the Library of Congress, available on the American Memory Web site at http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/doughtml/ The Frederick Douglass Papers at the Library of Congress presents the papers of the nineteenth-century African-American abolitionist who escaped from slavery and then risked his own freedom by becoming an outspoken antislavery lecturer, writer, and publisher. 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From drweb at san.rr.com Wed Aug 25 21:13:32 2004 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825134850.02996908@red.totalnetnh.net> Message-ID: <200408260113.i7Q1DUOD017023@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Despite the good intentions, it's not good policy or practice to post full text copyrighted materials to the list. Best, Michael -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Our life is frittered away by detail... Simplify, simplify. - Thoreau Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:10:19 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Morbus Iff >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:51 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source > > >That article might be very really interesting, however I was >sorry to find > >another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, >well maybe, but > >my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't care what >anyone >says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving >out more >information > >Yup. I hear ya. If they're gonna waste my time with privacy questions, >I'm gonna waste their time by inputing false data. I'm a female from >zipcode 11111 (why bother accepting zipcodes if you're not gonna check >integrity?) who is 50 or so years old. Excelsior! > >Anyways, I pasted it below for you. >>-- [snipped] >Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) >Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ >Spidering Hacks: >http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom >icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus > > From quetel at uiuc.edu Wed Aug 25 22:58:13 2004 From: quetel at uiuc.edu (Julie Quetel) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: As a first year LIS graduate student, lurking has given up some good source websites as I take my first reference class at the University of Illinois and an idea what kind of experience libraries are looking for to hire. My udergraduate degree is in biology and I'm looking toward something science related. A part time job at a library seems like a very good idea, although my impression is that a job as a para in an academic library would be a hard thing to come by given the pool of slave labor work study students available to them. Suggestions about ways to gain experience? Also, what's various ways people strategy keep current? I'm muddling my way through information overwhelm as a newbie. I'm not sure what an efficient useful way to keep organize articles, lecture notes, papers written, concepts from books read so that they can later be referenced. My impression is that it's something like keeping a personal bibliography. Not really sure how to proceed with that one. Julie From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 25 23:04:47 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Message-ID: Michael McCulley is correct when he says "Despite the good intentions, it's not good policy or practice to post full text copyrighted materials to the list." The Web4Lib posting policies state (in part): "All postings must be free of copyright restrictions that limit distribution. For example, posting a significant amount of a copyrighted work verbatim requires the permission of the copyright holder. To verify that such permission was obtained, all postings of this nature must include a statement that this is the case." Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Michael McCulley Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Despite the good intentions, it's not good policy or practice to post full text copyrighted materials to the list. Best, Michael -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Our life is frittered away by detail... Simplify, simplify. - Thoreau Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:10:19 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Morbus Iff >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:51 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source > > >That article might be very really interesting, however I was >sorry to find > >another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, >well maybe, but > >my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't care what >anyone >says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving >out more >information > >Yup. I hear ya. If they're gonna waste my time with privacy questions, >I'm gonna waste their time by inputing false data. I'm a female from >zipcode 11111 (why bother accepting zipcodes if you're not gonna check >integrity?) who is 50 or so years old. Excelsior! > >Anyways, I pasted it below for you. >>-- [snipped] >Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) >Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ >Spidering Hacks: >http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom >icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus > > From dmattison at shaw.ca Wed Aug 25 23:14:00 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the point many people are missing about wiki, especially comments such as "a wiki is probably not appropriate for scholarly communication," is best answered by the observation that banks are probably not appropriate for keeping money and valuables because they get robbed, which is why many banks and wikis have gatekeeping and security protocols in place to keep the valuable cash and data from being tampered with. But, in their purest form, wikis maintain an open door policy, which is totally unlike any bank, so the metaphor breaks down at that point. It's the very nature, however, of this ideal type of wiki that makes some of us nervous and thrills others for various reasons, not all of them socially acceptable. I think a wiki is highly appropriate for scholarly communication if all the scholars trust one another and are collaborating on a text or whatever, and security and rollback mechanisms are in place. To put some perspective on a collaborative intellectual property like a book or article as compared to wiki content: when you read a collaborative or jointly written article or book, including fiction, do you even know who wrote what? No, in nearly every case, you don't. You put your trust in the authorial expertise, editorial control, or other individuals' opinions when selecting something to read for yourself or others. Normally you don't even think about who wrote what or what method was used to achieve the final product. Wikis are just another tool in what I, borrowing from others, call the Collaborative Web: technology and applications that let individuals work together or independently directly through the Web browser without a gatekeeper (e.g., a Webmaster) standing in the way. The question of whether what emerges from that collaboration is authoritative or scholarly depends on other factors often above and beyond the collaborative process itself. David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Rich Ackerman Sent: August 25, 2004 10:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source From the Post-Standard: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 AL FASOLDT STAFF WRITER In a column published a few weeks ago by my companion Dr. Gizmo, readers were urged to go to the Wikipedia Web site at www.wikipedia. org/wiki/Main Page , an online encyclopedia, for more information on computer history. The doctor and I had figured Wikipedia was a good independent source. Not so, wrote a school librarian who read that article. Susan Stagnitta, of the Liverpool High School library, explained that Wikipedia is not what many casual Web surfers think it is. full article: http://www.syracuse.com/technology/poststandard/fasoldt/index.ssf?/base/news -0/1093338972139211.xml I thought Gerry & others might find this interesting. It highlights the problem of authority in wikis, one reason that a wiki is probably not appropriate for scholarly communication. Rich Ackerman From wim.vogel at kb.nl Thu Aug 26 01:43:09 2004 From: wim.vogel at kb.nl (WimV) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825134850.02996908@red.totalnetnh.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040825134850.02996908@red.totalnetnh.net> Message-ID: <412D786D.6010003@kb.nl> Morbus Iff wrote: > >That article might be very really interesting, however I was sorry to find > >another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, well maybe, but > >my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't care what >anyone >says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving out more >information > >Yup. I hear ya. If they're gonna waste my time with privacy questions, >I'm gonna waste their time by inputing false data. I'm a female from >zipcode 11111 (why bother accepting zipcodes if you're not gonna check >integrity?) who is 50 or so years old. Excelsior! > >Anyways, I pasted it below for you. > You can access this information, without giving any personal information, if you diguise yourself as Googlebot http://www.google.com/bot.html The webbrowser Firefox has an extension callled: "User Agent Switcher". With that extension you can diguise yourself as Googlebot and have free access. http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher There is also a way to do this if you use Internet Explorer, although I personally have no experience with this solution. Read this: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php?id=799 greetings, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wim Vogel E-mail : wim.vogel@kb.nl Tel. : +31 70 3140 615 The Netherlands ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From birgit.strohmeier at salzburgresearch.at Thu Aug 26 08:25:57 2004 From: birgit.strohmeier at salzburgresearch.at (Birgit Strohmeier) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: REMINDER: e-Culture Horizons. From digitisation to creating cultural experience(s) Message-ID: <412DD6D5.3040403@salzburgresearch.at> --------------------- please excuse cross-posting Last chance to register by September 10, 2004: http://eculture.salzburgresearch.at/eng/registration.html ----------------------------------------------------------- Salzburg Research invites you to participate in this year's eCulture Symposium in the old city of Salzburg - which itself is a World Cultural Heritage. ----------- E-CULTURE HORIZONS ----------------------------------------- ----------- From digitisation to creating cultural experience(s) ------------- ----------- September 27-28, 2004 | Salzburg, Austria ----------------------- The Salzburg Research eCulture Symposium 2004 covers diverse aspects - from digitising cultural heritage objects to adding value and creating cultural experiences in and beyond cultural heritage institutions. In detail, the symposium tackles the following questions: ?+ How to make more tangible the notion of cultural experience(s) ?+ Future technologies to realise cultural experience(s) ?+ Current technologies for adding value to digital cultural objects (visualisation, semantic layers, advanced publishing technologies) ?+ Digitisation project planning and management ?+ Funding of digitisation projects ?+ Creating best value from digitised cultural objects Dates: September 27 (1.00 - 10.30 p.m.) - 28 (9 a.m. - 5.30 p.m.) Venue: University of Salzburg, Institute for Legal Sciences Costs: 50,00 EUR For full information on our symposium such as programme, online-registration, accommodation and travelling advices, please visit the symposium website at: http://eculture.salzburgresearch.at. Contact: Gabriele Krisch -----------------------------|||--------------------------------- Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft m.b.H. Jakob Haringer-Strasse 5/III | A-5020 Salzburg T: +43.(0)662.2288-252 | M: +43.(0)699.107 16 582 | F: +43.(0)662.2288-222 gabriele.krisch@salzburgresearch.at | http://www.salzburgresearch.at/ From Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com Thu Aug 26 08:51:12 2004 From: Carolyne.Sidey at crt.xerox.com (Sidey, Carolyne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Message-ID: <5F76AC484B66D311A5950008C7A4193DE1BD3D@xrccntsv8.xrcc.xerox.com> Just say you are not from the US. It does not ask for any more info. Carolyne Sidey Manager, XRCC Library Xerox Research Centre of Canada csidey@crt.xerox.com -----Original Message----- From: WimV [mailto:wim.vogel@kb.nl] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Librarian: Don't use Wikipedia as source Morbus Iff wrote: > >That article might be very really interesting, however I was sorry to > >find another site, syracuse.com, that wants to know my zip code, well > >maybe, but my year of birth and sex, just to read an article. I don't > >care what >anyone >says about their privacy policies, I prefer not giving out more >information > >Yup. I hear ya. If they're gonna waste my time with privacy questions, >I'm gonna waste their time by inputing false data. I'm a female from >zipcode 11111 (why bother accepting zipcodes if you're not gonna check >integrity?) who is 50 or so years old. Excelsior! > >Anyways, I pasted it below for you. > You can access this information, without giving any personal information, if you diguise yourself as Googlebot http://www.google.com/bot.html The webbrowser Firefox has an extension callled: "User Agent Switcher". With that extension you can diguise yourself as Googlebot and have free access. http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher There is also a way to do this if you use Internet Explorer, although I personally have no experience with this solution. Read this: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php?id=799 greetings, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wim Vogel E-mail : wim.vogel@kb.nl Tel. : +31 70 3140 615 The Netherlands ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 26 10:33:11 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <412CFB3E.1050809@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <20040826143314.CC888C150F7@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > "It's actually a retronym, not an acronym. That is, Larry came up with > the name first, and the expansion later. That's why "Perl" isn't in all > caps." > He can call it Slingblade, but it's still an acronym... Karen G. Schneider From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 26 10:34:51 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <2B123AD3FDBDF248B7F8DA9A8064F30E5F73CB@exchange2.apsu.edu> Message-ID: <20040826143454.270E7C1513B@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > But wouldn't that be KaREN, Karen? > > I might have fallen victim to a tiny little temptation towards hyperbole. > It overtakes me at inconvenient times. Aaron, I almost got into the issue of Studly Caps, but the joke that came to mind couldn't be shared on this list! Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From dsilvers at lakeland.cc.il.us Thu Aug 26 11:12:09 2004 From: dsilvers at lakeland.cc.il.us (Scott Drone-Silvers) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Top 5 PERL Wiki Engines? In-Reply-To: <20040826143314.CC888C150F7@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: on 8/26/04 9:38 AM, K.G. Schneider at kgs@bluehighways.com wrote: >> "It's actually a retronym, not an acronym. That is, Larry came up with >> the name first, and the expansion later. That's why "Perl" isn't in all >> caps." >> > He can call it Slingblade, but it's still an acronym... > > Karen G. Schneider Great. Now have we all sufficiently flogged this poor dead nag? Scott Drone-Silvers Director of Library Services Lake Land College 5001 Lake Land Blvd. Mattoon, IL 61938 (217) 234-5338 / FAX (217) 234-5533 Web Page: http://www.lakelandcollege.edu/library/ From gerrymck at iastate.edu Thu Aug 26 11:45:21 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: FirstMonday: The Case of Wikipedia Message-ID: Colleagues/ With regard to the Pro and/or Con statements about Wikipedia (and wikis in general) that have been posted over the past several days, I highly recommend that We All Read: _Phantom Authority, Self*Selective Recruitment and Retention of Members in Virtual Communities: The Case of Wikipedia_ by Andrea Ciffolilli [First Monday, volume 8, number 12 (December 2003)] [ http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue8_12/ciffolilli/ l ] A Few Key Excerpts "Wikipedia is based on the Wiki technology that characterizes many Web sites. A Wiki community is open in the sense that it allows anyone to participate, freely viewing information contained in a site, permitting editing of that information as well [9]. Editing Web pages can be done without submitting changes to a publisher and negotiating for them. Why does this approach work? One might assume that graffiti attacks would eventually frustrate an approach on this sort of large scale. However, Wikipedia has been successful with a great deal of notable content as well as content in a state of constant improvement. For the most part, content disasters * in terms of quality * have not occurred." "Another secret of the success of Wikipedia is related to the incentives that contribute to a "creative construction" of information, rather than a "creative destruction" of it. As noted earlier, I expected Wikipedia to be engaged in an endless war among reliable contributions and graffiti attacks that would have blocked the development of the Web site. In reality, that has not happened, basically because all changes made to any article are stored; it is possible to undo any unapproved modification with a single click. This makes the activity of littering a page extremely more expensive for an individual (in terms of time and reputation), than it is for anyone else. Therefore, also in this circumstance, it is a matter of costs. Through this mechanism of editing and undoing meaningless changes or graffiti, an evolutionary process is fostered and only the best contributions survive the selection (Neus, 2001). Moreover, other factors contribute to Wikipedia's success such as sources of authority and coordination." >From the Conclusion "Despite their positive aspects, virtual communities such as Wikipedia are not absolutely free of troubles. While the processes of recruitment and retention have been working quite well so far, but will they continue to operate in the future? Are the mechanisms that allow accumulation of reputation and hence, authority distribution, strong enough to guarantee medium*term sustainability, and to maintain the sense of trust and identity among members? Some instruments for entry selection, such as a compulsory registration, may further improve the quality of recruitment and therefore the outcome of the cooperative effort, without being detrimental to the community's momentum. At the same time, more intense use of personal profile pages and a direct recognition of the contribution made by each user could foster a sense of trust and help retain participants. Finally, let me mention another problem related to the exercise of authority. If the number of administrators, retaining a certain degree of institutional authority, continues to grow over time, will a new complexity make it necessary to increase the number of hierarchical layers in the structure and discourage participation? This issue will need to be resolved at some point in the future. There certainly is great charm exerted by successful projects of massive collaboration producing a public good or a club. Part of this charm may be attributable to the open source approach. In fact, an open source mode of dividing innovative labour may be useful to encourage knowledge sharing, breaking information bottlenecks." BTW: Thanks, Bernie Sloan for recommending this Most Excellent article! Enjoy! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Collaborative Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." --- George Orwell [Eric Arthur Blair] (1903-1950) British author From dsilvers at lakeland.cc.il.us Thu Aug 26 11:50:46 2004 From: dsilvers at lakeland.cc.il.us (Scott Drone-Silvers) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: Apology Message-ID: Fellow list denizens, If my rather overly sarcastic comment earlier has caused anyone offense, then I most sincerely apologize. I should know better than to email with little sleep and a raging headache... Scott Drone-Silvers Director of Library Services Lake Land College 5001 Lake Land Blvd. Mattoon, IL 61938 (217) 234-5338 / FAX (217) 234-5533 Web Page: http://www.lakelandcollege.edu/library/ ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From morbus at disobey.com Thu Aug 26 12:16:12 2004 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FirstMonday: The Case of Wikipedia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040826121414.02949f70@red.totalnetnh.net> >The Case of Wikipedia_ by Andrea Ciffolilli >[First Monday, volume 8, number 12 (December 2003)] >[ http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue8_12/ciffolilli/ l ] A quick skimming makes it a "I like". Not that it matters much to the wiki/authoritative discussion, but I did CC my comments to both the author of the piece and the school librarian. I've not heard from the librarian, but the author turned out to be, in my head, less then worthy: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2004/08/index.shtml#001621 -- Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From abettencourt at iii.com Thu Aug 26 14:37:36 2004 From: abettencourt at iii.com (Amy Bettencourt) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: Job Opening - Library Training Consultant Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040826113500.02e7f450@molly.iii.com> Job Opening - Library Training Consultant Celebrating 25 years of partnership with the library community, Innovative Interfaces (www.iii.com) is the leader in providing Web-powered, Java™ -based automated library systems. Its flagship product offering, Millennium, is an acknowledged market leader installed in thousands of libraries in 41 countries around the world. The company is headquartered in Emeryville, California, with offices in Australia, Canada, France, Hong Kong, Korea, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, and the United Kingdom. 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Please submit letter of application and resume: MAIL: Innovative Interfaces Inc., ATTN: Job Code: LTC 5850 Shellmound Way Emeryville, CA 94608 FAX: 510-450-6396 E-MAIL: hrdept@iii.com WEBSITE ADDRESS: http://www.iii.com Innovative Interfaces is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer EEO/AA/M/F/D/V Amy Bettencourt, PHR Human Resources Generalist INNOVATIVE INTERFACES, INC. 5850 Shellmound Way Emeryville, CA 94608 Phone (510) 655-6200 ext. 1303 Fax (510) 450-6396 abettencourt@iii.com ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bardsley at u.washington.edu Thu Aug 26 14:43:19 2004 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (bardsley@u.washington.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: On-line (or off-line) document management software Message-ID: Is there anyone here who has experience implementing or working with document management software? I just started to look into this and have found several packages ranging from $1000-$10,000. I am researching for corporate use so I hope it's OK to post the question here to start a discussion. I am assuming someone in this community has experience in this area for libraries, corporations, or otherwise. The essential function of the software would be to provide intuitive version control (making all versions of a document accessible). Has anyone tried to use free software made for version tracking such as CVS for such a task? Any experiences shared would be greatly appreciated. If I get useful off-line help, I will summarize for the list. Many thanks, Mark Bardsley From gerrymck at iastate.edu Thu Aug 26 16:03:22 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: Web Feeds for Enhanced Governmental Information Services Message-ID: Colleagues/ Once again I seek the Wisdom of the Web for recommendations of governmental information services that do/could/would benefit from the addition of general or specific Web feeds (e.g., RSS, Atom, etc.). For examples of libraries that offer enhanced services, please see _RSS(sm): Rich Site Services_, one of my latest registries available at [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/RSS.htm ] "_RSS(sm): Rich Site Services_ is a categorized registry of library services that are delivered or provided through RSS/XML, Atom, or other types of Web feeds. RSS is an initialism for RDF Site Summary / Rich Site Summary / Really Simple Syndication. In general, for each entry, the home institution library is listed, as is a hotlinked entry for the item. When available, a link to the feed, or an associated information page, is provided." For those new to Web Feeds, please See and Read Any and All items of potential interest the RSS(sm) General Bibliography at [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/GenBib.htm ] I am particularly interested in the *specific* information services offered by the following federal entities that might benefit from a WebFeed MakeOver [:-) : Library of Congress National Agricultural Library National Library of Education Defense Technical Information Center Air Force ,Army, Navy Executive Office of the President Governmental Printing Office (GPO) National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) National Science Foundation (NSF) National Technical Information Service (NTIS) Office of Scientific and Technical Information (OSTI) (Department of Energy) Smithsonian Institution U.S. Information Agency BTW: I am aware of the Most Excellent registry edited by Ray Mathews called _RSS in Government_ at [ http://www.rssgov.com/ ] Thanks in Advance!!! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Enhanced Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." --- George Orwell [Eric Arthur Blair] (1903-1950) British author From gerrymck at iastate.edu Thu Aug 26 16:44:16 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: TCA Review: "Project Euclid: Mathematics and Statistics Journals" Message-ID: Colleagues/ I am pleased to announce the publication of my review of "Project Euclid: Mathematics and Statistics Journals" in _The Charleston Advisor_ (6:1) (July 2004): 24-31, 35-37). I'll self-archived a copy of the article at [ http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gerrymck/ProjectEuclid.pdf ] "By providing current and forthcoming access to more than 30 significant mathematical and statistics journals within a common framework, Project Euclid has clearly realized its primary goal of addressing "the unique needs of independent and society journals through a collaborative partnership with scholarly publishers, professional societies, and academic libraries." Through its range of access and distribution plans and its associated varied subscription options, Project Euclid has achieved its goal of providing low cost access to its component journals." "In addition to providing free search and access to abstracts with article references, Project Euclid offers a variety of user-centered browse, search, and display functionalities ... . Enjoy! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor and Science and Technology Librarian and Bibliographer Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." --- George Orwell [Eric Arthur Blair] (1903-1950) British author From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Thu Aug 26 17:18:24 2004 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: home page content In-Reply-To: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B088132855D2996@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B088132854D8E14@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> We are a public library. Our web site has been greatly improved over the last two years although I?m certain there?s room for a lot of improvement yet (and probably always will be!) Anyway, our home page may be of interest to you; the content has settled down pretty much over the last few months so I think all concerned groups are now reasonably satisfied with what we have/how we can access it. http://www.stcharleslibrary.org/ The appearance, although much more professional than it was a few years ago, is our current best compromise between form and function; we will be making some cosmetic changes (better buttons, etc.) in the fairly near future. HTH, Robin. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] > On Behalf Of Elena OMalley > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: home page content > > Craig, > > If you haven't already done so, you may want to post this question to > PUBLIB as well. > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/ > > I work at an academic library, so this information may not be a great > match for your > users' needs. > > The most popular link on our homepage, by a wide margin, is our catalog. > Our link > is called "library catalog." > > Our research databases and information about them, our media department, > and our hours > and calendar are also popular (based on web stat analysis). If we had > proper space for > the hours on the homepage, we'd put them there. Links from our "what's > new", spotlight, > and quick links (popular pages or links) are also frequently used. > > I wouldn't go so far as 'must', but I'd personally do my best to juggle in > a link to the catalog, address(es) and phone number(s)/TTY (circulation > and reference), > hours and events (or links to them), and a link to children/teen/homework > help services. > > Good luck with your project, > Elena O'Malley > __ > Elena O'Malley, Head of Library Computer and Internet Services > Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 > > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:27:59 -0400 > > From: "Ginther, Craig" > > To: "'web4lib@webjunction.org'" > > Subject: home page content > > Message-ID: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA438F@DC2EXC002> > > > > We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on > the > > expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of > > information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? I'm > > thinking of things like branch locations, a link to the catalogue (or a > > quick search box) and databases, information on how to get a library > card, > > fees/fines, etc. > > > > Are there others that you feel are critical, based on hit counts or > > otherwise? Any help would be greatly appreciated... > > > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > > Craig Ginther > > Coordinator (Acting), Virtual Library Services > > Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa > > 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 > > Phone: 613-580-2424 X41588 > > craig.ginther@library.ottawa.on.ca/ > > http://www.library.ottawa.on.ca/ > From jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie Fri Aug 27 04:52:33 2004 From: jfitzgibbon at Galwaylibrary.ie (John Fitzgibbon) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:29 2005 Subject: Using CSS to control the height of an inline DIV element Message-ID: Hi, I have created a DIV element which occupies the right 25 percent of the computer screen. To do this I have declared its display property to be inline rather than block. Because it is inline I can't control its height with the height property; the height of an inline element is determined by its content. I wish the element to be at least 100% of the screens height. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Regards John ************************************************ This e-mail and any attachment contain information which is private and confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not an addressee, you are not authorised to read, copy or use the e-mail or any attachment. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and then destroy it. ************************************************************** ##################################################################################### This email has been scanned by MailMarshal, an email content filter. Hosted by Galway County Council ##################################################################################### From jrounds at lib.uchicago.edu Fri Aug 27 10:31:48 2004 From: jrounds at lib.uchicago.edu (Justin Rounds) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Using CSS to control the height of an inline DIV element In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412F45D4.20107@lib.uchicago.edu> Try either of the following instead of using "display:inline": div.foo { position: absolute; right: 0px; width: 25%; height: 100%; } or div.foo { float: right; width: 25%; height: 100%; } I am currently unable to test these on a Mac, but the latest versions of Mozilla and IE on Windows work. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that on the Mac version of IE this *won't* work unless you run it in bugs-mode via doc-type switching (since for some odd reason the browser window is not considered a container). ------------------------------------------- Justin Rounds Graphic Design and Digital Media Specialist Digital Library Development Center University of Chicago 1100 E. 57th St. Chicago, Illinois 60637 (773)702-4391 ------------------------------------------- John Fitzgibbon wrote: > Hi, > > I have created a DIV element which occupies the right 25 percent of the computer screen. To do this I have declared its display property to be inline rather than block. Because it is inline I can't control its height with the height property; the height of an inline element is determined by its content. 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But how do we really know when our decisions are effective? How do we determine which tools and processes will help us think, choose, and plan? The Association of Research Libraries is pleased to offer the Online Lyceum course "Effective Decision Making" to help address these questions. Interaction with an experienced course facilitator through the submission of course assignments and via informal e-mail exchange provide a learning opportunity to engage in a step-by-step model process that will introduce you to a disciplined and structured approach to effective decision making. In this course you will learn to: * build criteria; * develop problem statements or decision frames; * recognize and select appropriate decision styles; and * use interpersonal skills to gain support from others. Target Audience The course is designed for people who must make decisions affecting all levels of organizational performance. If you manage a project, supervise a department, administer a program, or lead a group, you will find valuable information here. Instructor Kathryn Deiss, Program Director for Education and Training, Chicago Library System For detailed course information and online registration, please visit http://www.arl.org/training/decision.html. Also see our Frequently Asked Questions page, at http://www.arl.org/training/faqs.html. If you have any questions, please contact Karen Wetzel, ARL/OLMS Program Officer for Distance Learning at karen@arl.org or by phone: 202-296-8656. -- Karen A. Wetzel Program Officer for Distance Learning Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle, Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 Tel.: 202-296-8656 Fax: 202-872-0884 karen@arl.org From lyceum at arl.org Fri Aug 27 17:22:29 2004 From: lyceum at arl.org (ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:29 2005 Subject: Library Conflict Management Online Lyceum from ARL/OLMS Message-ID: <412FA615.5080706@arl.org> Library Conflict Management ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum Course September 20-October 8, 2004 http://www.arl.org/training/conflict.html $300 for ARL members $350 for nonmembers Conflict is inevitable. Individuals and groups that need to work together find that they purport conflicting goals, priorities assigned to those goals, and strategies to achieve them. Regardless of your position in the library, knowing how you and others respond to conflict can make it easier to manage. This interactive ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum course will teach you an understanding of conflict dynamics so that you may select and apply conflict management tools to constructively respond to workplace differences and disputes. In this course you will: * Learn to define conflict management. * Recognize why conflict management skills are important and gain an understanding of conflict dynamics. * Learn how to analyze conflict and discover hidden interests/issues that can prevent individuals and groups from effectively strategizing around conflict. * Become familiar with conflict management tools and how to apply them. Library Conflict Management incorporates elements of both synchronous (real-time) and asynchronous interaction with the course facilitator and a global peer network via a course bulletin board, chat rooms, and regular e-mail. In addition, participants receive written facilitator feedback to course assignments. Target Audience This course will benefit anyone who must interact with others in their work processes or decisions, including team members, managers, departmental groups, library professionals who interact with patrons, etc. Instructor * Deborah Turner, Head of Access Services, University of California-Santa Cruz, and ARL/OLMS Adjunct Faculty For detailed course information, including technical requirements and the course schedule, please visit http://www.arl.org/training/conflict.html. If you have any questions, please visit our Frequently Asked Questions page at http://www.arl.org/training/faqs.html or contact Karen Wetzel, ARL/OLMS Program Officer for Distance Learning, at karen@arl.org or by phone: 202-296-8656. -- Karen A. Wetzel Program Officer for Distance Learning Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle, Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 Tel.: 202-296-8656 Fax: 202-872-0884 karen@arl.org From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Fri Aug 27 17:56:34 2004 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:29 2005 Subject: [SPAM] [WEB4LIB] Using CSS to control the height of an inline DIV element In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040827145336.U10912@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Hi John. Here's an article from A List Apart that may give you ideas on a "faux columns" approach: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ And here's a UK site that implements multiple columns of equal length. FWIW. http://www.pmob.co.uk/temp/3colfixedtest_4.htm John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, John Fitzgibbon wrote: > Hi, > > I have created a DIV element which occupies the right 25 percent of the > computer screen. To do this I have declared its display property to be > inline rather than block. Because it is inline I can't control its > height with the height property; the height of an inline element is > determined by its content. I wish the element to be at least 100% of the > screens height. > > Any ideas would be much appreciated. > > Regards > John From kiehl at hawaii.edu Mon Aug 30 06:39:03 2004 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf - August 2004 Message-ID: Péter's Digital Reference Shelf - August 2004 Apologies for the 11th hour posting but it's still not too late to catch the August edition of Peter's Digital Ready Reference Shelf on the Gale Group website. This column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/reference/peter/ Peter Jacso is a member of the Internet Librarian Hall of Fame (http://www.rlc.dcccd.edu/lrc/hofprevious.htm). His in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases he evaluates. Jacso was the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores-Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. This month Peter reviews: [1] CultureGrams World Edition Provides some refreshing cultural profiles of more than 180 countries with some surprising omissions. Though bundled with a so-so Kids Edition (still better than FactMonster) and a States Edition providing appropriate profiles, they are not the counterparts of the original country culturegrams on the U.S. state levels. [2] Web of Science Citation Indexes Extended coverage and powerful new software features grace Web of Science version 7 launched in July 2004 on the also revamped Web of Knowledge version 3 platform. Improvements to the user interface will make others green with envy. See the Archives on the Gale site for databases previously reviewed: Index Mundi CIA World Factbook 2004 ResourceShelf CrossRef Search Pilot KeepMedia Adherents.com A & E Biography MetaCritic Fact Monster e.encyclopedia Official Academy Awards Database New York Times Movie Reviews PsycINFO e-psyche Amazon Search Inside the Book ConsumerSearch Xrefer Plus Chambers 21st Century Dictionary Britannica GeoAnalyzer Facts for Features Enciclopedia Universal Micronet Collins Concise Spanish Dictionary Rotten Tomatoes Britannica Concise Encyclopedia- National Geographic version Encyclopaedia Britannica Almanac 2003 The Blair Archive Encyclopedia of Music in Canada Collins English Dictionary Searchasaurus database collection Hutchinson Encyclopedia concise version World Atlas Hoover's Online Consulta American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms UK Official Charts American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms Concise Oxford Dictionary jake Ulrich's Annual Reviews, Inc. OCLC WorldCat DOE Energy Citations Database PubSCIENCE Subway Navigator How Stuff Works Search Engine Showdown AP Multimedia Archive Virtual Acquisition Shelf & News Desk Oxford Reference Online Merriam-Webster Third International Unabridged Dictionary AskOxford McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technical Terms Britannica Concise Word Reference Desk NBC Olympics Bloomsbury Research Center 50states.com The Top 10 of Everything Xrefer.com PubList Ulrich's International Periodicals Profusion Cultural Profiles Project Columbia World of Quotations Yahoo! Reference Atomica 2.1 DealTime.com Travelocity CyberAtlas Penguin New English Dictionary ADAM Medical Encyclopedia Comparative Religions on File Adflip Canadian Encyclopedia Online Awesome Library Librarian's Index to the Internet TechEncyclopedia Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary Artcylopedia Sports Rules on File Nolo Law Dictionary Nolo Legal Encyclopedia CIA World Factbook 2000 GuruNet reference suite InteliHealth version of the Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary Columbia Dictionary of Quotations Nobel Prize List Zagat Survey Encyclopaedia of the Orient Bowker's Complete Video Directory Simpson's Contemporary Quotations Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Expedia Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com Grolier Multimedia Online Encyclopedia version 2 Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technology InfoNation Encarta Interactive World Atlas 2000 This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From michael at winterstorm.ca Mon Aug 30 11:10:09 2004 From: michael at winterstorm.ca (Michael McDonnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: Security Vulnerability in Webpac Message-ID: <41334351.2090207@winterstorm.ca> Recently, Securityfocus assigned an ID to a vulnerability that I think many people have guessed existed. There are SQL injection vulnerabilities in Epixtech/Dynix Webpac. There is no fix available. http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/372956/2004-08-23/2004-08-29/0 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/11037 -- Michael McDonnell, GCIA Winterstorm Solutions, Inc. michael@winterstorm.ca From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 30 12:13:32 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: File formats for handouts on website Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D5F3D@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I am attempting to get all of library handouts put on our website. Generally our librarians give them to me in Word format and then they are uploaded to the server. What is the most user friendly file format for such handouts? I can convert them to html or to PDF. Word does not look like a good choice to me. I have taken over this choir since we now have a new instruction librarian and does not have the time and experience to do this. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Mon Aug 30 12:38:15 2004 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: <412CF2A3.2030601@ncsu.edu> References: <412CF2A3.2030601@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <20040830093501.M22596@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> So to start off a new week, one of my techs just came in with a sheepish grin on his face. We got some new Flash Drives while he was on vacation and he took one home last Friday to check it out on his home machine. This is a ScanDisk Cruzer Mini 1.0 GB pen. He was looking everywhere for it frantically at home yesterday. His wife got out the clean laundry from the dryer ... and lo and behold, there it was freshly washed and dried. And it still works. File this under innovative ways to freshen your data. John Creech, Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Brooks Library Central Washington University From susang at williston.lib.vt.us Mon Aug 30 12:52:33 2004 From: susang at williston.lib.vt.us (Susan Glickman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: <20040830093501.M22596@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Message-ID: I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public access computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? Susan Glickman -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Creech Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens So to start off a new week, one of my techs just came in with a sheepish grin on his face. We got some new Flash Drives while he was on vacation and he took one home last Friday to check it out on his home machine. This is a ScanDisk Cruzer Mini 1.0 GB pen. He was looking everywhere for it frantically at home yesterday. His wife got out the clean laundry from the dryer ... and lo and behold, there it was freshly washed and dried. And it still works. File this under innovative ways to freshen your data. John Creech, Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Brooks Library Central Washington University From DobbsA at apsu.edu Mon Aug 30 12:54:37 2004 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] File formats for handouts on website Message-ID: <2B123AD3FDBDF248B7F8DA9A8064F30E5F73EB@exchange2.apsu.edu> Covert to straight html to save upfront time, plus all browsers read html (some better than others) -- watch out for accessibility though, Word does not write the most accessible html. HTML Tidy & other software can fix a lot of M$ Word's drivel. -Aaron :-)' Masterpiece of understatement? >From me? -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Drew, Bill Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] File formats for handouts on website I am attempting to get all of library handouts put on our website. Generally our librarians give them to me in Word format and then they are uploaded to the server. What is the most user friendly file format for such handouts? I can convert them to html or to PDF. Word does not look like a good choice to me. I have taken over this choir since we now have a new instruction librarian and does not have the time and experience to do this. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Aug 30 13:08:44 2004 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: <20040830093501.M22596@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> References: <20040830093501.M22596@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Message-ID: <375260908.20040830110844@riverofdata.com> Monday, August 30, 2004, 10:38:55 AM, you wrote: JC> This is a ScanDisk Cruzer Mini 1.0 GB pen. He was looking everywhere for JC> it frantically at home yesterday. His wife got out the clean laundry from JC> the dryer ... and lo and behold, there it was freshly washed and dried. JC> And it still works. File this under innovative ways to freshen your data. And that's why my flashdrive (a SanDisk Cruzer) lives on the lanyard/cord that it came with. So far I've worn it a couple places I didn't intend to when I forgot to take it off, but I've not yet worn it into the shower or hot tub. I lose pens faster than anything, so am sure I'd lose a pen drive in a couple days. Or give it to a patron to fill out a form. Or something equally stupid. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Have you forgotten 9/11? From dan at riverofdata.com Mon Aug 30 13:11:06 2004 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8611817.20040830111106@riverofdata.com> Monday, August 30, 2004, 10:48:22 AM, you wrote: SG> I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public SG> libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public access SG> computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? Our university library, which has internet computers available to anyone without logging in, disables all USB connectivity on those computers. We're reconsidering this policy due to demand from students, but so far that demand hasn't reached critical mass, so we "computer guys" are stalling until we're forced into it. Actually, that demand may go away as more and more students get laptops, which they can connect to the net via wired or wireless connections in our building. Those connections do require authentication. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Have you forgotten 9/11? From DavidKing at kclibrary.org Mon Aug 30 13:22:42 2004 From: DavidKing at kclibrary.org (David King) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens Message-ID: We've done away with floppies, and have gone with CD and USB access to patron's files. Seems to be working so far! David King Kansas City Public Library 816-701-3400, ext. 2503 davidking@kclibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lester Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens Monday, August 30, 2004, 10:48:22 AM, you wrote: SG> I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public SG> libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public SG> access computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? Our university library, which has internet computers available to anyone without logging in, disables all USB connectivity on those computers. We're reconsidering this policy due to demand from students, but so far that demand hasn't reached critical mass, so we "computer guys" are stalling until we're forced into it. Actually, that demand may go away as more and more students get laptops, which they can connect to the net via wired or wireless connections in our building. Those connections do require authentication. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Have you forgotten 9/11? From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 30 13:28:13 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] File formats for handouts on website Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B185D5F80@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> >From messages I have gotten off and on list, I will be using the PDF format. I do not have the time to clean up the dirty html created when converting Word files. HTML Tidy as well as Dreamweaver do some clean up but not enough for me to use the html that results. Thanks for the input. Bill Drew From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Mon Aug 30 14:08:44 2004 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B088132855D32AD@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B0881328547AC7C@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> We allow floppies, CDs and USB drives. Seems to me the internet access is the biggest risk, and since that's the primary reason we have public computers, it's unavoidable. We use Norton antivirus (although I'm probably going to change to something else next year) and DeepFreeze to keep the PCs as clean as possible. I'm also in the process of installing and rolling out the enterprise version of SpySweeper, which should reduce the spyware annoyance factor. If all that fails we would just reimage an affected machine... but (touch wood) we haven't had any major problems so far in two years of unrestricted patron use of our Tech Center PCs. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] > On Behalf Of David King > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens > > We've done away with floppies, and have gone with CD and USB access to > patron's files. Seems to be working so far! > > David King > Kansas City Public Library > 816-701-3400, ext. 2503 > davidking@kclibrary.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lester > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:12 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens > > Monday, August 30, 2004, 10:48:22 AM, you wrote: > > SG> I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public > SG> libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public > > SG> access computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? > > Our university library, which has internet computers available to anyone > without logging in, disables all USB connectivity on those computers. > > We're reconsidering this policy due to demand from students, but so far > that demand hasn't reached critical mass, so we "computer guys" > are stalling until we're forced into it. Actually, that demand may go > away as more and more students get laptops, which they can connect to > the net via wired or wireless connections in our building. Those > connections do require authentication. > > dan > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com Have > you forgotten 9/11? > > > > From vrdconf at iis.syr.edu Mon Aug 30 15:04:10 2004 From: vrdconf at iis.syr.edu (VRD Conference) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: VRD 2004 Conference Registration is Now Open Message-ID: Online registration for the VRD 2004 Conference is now open! This year's conference is in Cincinnati on November 8 and 9. Register for the early bird rate until October 8. Note that there are further discounts for OCLC, OHIONET, INCOLSA, SOLINET, and RUSA Members. https://www3.oclc.org/institute/VRDC/bin/attendee.asp We are fortunate to have Eva Miller as our dynamic Keynote speaker on Monday, November 8. Eva Miller is the Special Projects Librarian from Multnomah County Library. http://vrd2004.org/speakers/sp_keynote.cfm Hotel reservations are also being accepted via the Web site at:http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/private_groups/cvgnp_vrd/index.jhtml We have been given a lower rate for the conference, so make sure to mention you are with the VRD Conference to get the special rate of $109.00 (plus tax) per night. Workshop registration is also available when you register for the conference. The pre-conference workshop will be offered by Dr. Charles McClure, Dr. David Lankes, and Jeffrey Rubin on November 7 from 9:00-4:00, titled Managing Technology for Digital Reference Services. For more information, see: http://www.vrd2004.org/attendees/att_pre_conf.cfm The post-conference will be in a new format this year. David Lankes and a team of presenters will be offering both an onsite and virtual workshop on training and education for library staff (professionals, paraprofessionals and students) for digital reference. The preliminary workshop schedule is as follows. Further details will be available later in September. Day 1: November 10, 2004 1:00-4:00 pm In Person or via LiveMeeting NOTE: Afternoon session to allow west coast virtual attendees the opportunity to participate. Day 2: December 13, 2004 LiveMeeting Day 3: December 17, 2004 LiveMeeting On September 1, check the site again at http://vrd2004.org when the conference planner will be posted. You'll be able to see all the presenters and abstracts of sessions. We look forward to a great conference, and hope to see you there! The VRD Program Staff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Virtual Reference Desk Information Institute of Syracuse 621 Skytop Road, Suite 160 Syracuse, NY 13244-5290 phone: 315 443 3640 fax: 315 443 5448 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From GHelfrich at acmail.aclink.org Mon Aug 30 15:17:58 2004 From: GHelfrich at acmail.aclink.org (Helfrich, Gair) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: The Future summary Message-ID: <9F23F34A0F8EFD42B8969F3E5E34685E21803F@acmail.aclink.org> At the end of July I asked list members to consider what the future might bring. My thanks go to Genny Engel, Linda Arret, Alain Vaillancourt, Michael McCulley, Heinrich Kuhn, J.P. Knight, Edward Wigg, Michele Hamsphire, Florence Paisey, Charles Gimon, David King, Bill Drew, Jennifer Heise, Thomas Dowling and George Porter. (I think that's everyone; if I missed anyone, my apologies and thanks!) All their replies went to the list so if you followed the thread this is old news. Below is loosely categorized brief summary of the points that were made: Technology: *Wireless (x2) *RFID and/or other tracking technologies(x3)(Libraries need to be aware of RFID backlash.) *RFID use rises then drops *Self-checkout *Supporting flash drives, etc. *Wearable computers become commonplace and affordable; libraries serve as access points for the disadvantaged that can't/won't/ buy the technology and/or for specialist tasks. *Alternative (non-MS) operating systems (Linux) *Triple/multiple monitors (generated much discussion, pro and con) Searching/Catalogs: *Federated Search *Content management/database drive website *Increasing kinds of software available for public *Cooperative projects with local/regional/statewide agencies (x2) *Browsers Become Applications *Information "Commons" come to all types of libraries (portals anyone?) *Integrated Library Systems become more like the "Internet/WWW" (XML et.al.) *Enriched content in library catalogs (x2) *Enriched cataloging of articles *Linking catalogs to other bibliographic databases *Documenting free &/or Open Access journals in the catalog *Documenting aggregator journal coverage in the catalog *Cataloging free online books (UC Press, National Academy Press, Baen, etc.) *Implementing OpenURL linking services to leverage access to the free and fee journals through A&I databases *More use of unicode *Integration between information about items in libraries and items in open internet archives *Google becomes subscription bases *Documenting free &/or Open Access journals in the catalog *Documenting aggregator journal coverage in the catalog *Cataloging free online books (UC Press, National Academy Press, Baen, etc.) *Implementing OpenURL linking services to leverage access to the free and fee journals through A&I databases Services: *Live Reference continues growth and integration as a "basic" service of libraries *Library Web sites becomes more "bricks and clicks" portals (serving both Online and in- house clients) *Non-traditional ILL *Customizing/aggregating services and/or linking our services. Miscellaneous: *Development of unified site to manage user ids and passwords. Perhaps something the library can provide? *Less interest in preservation of items printed on acid paper *The number of users who request material that's not written in one of their 3 most favorite languages drops. *More digitization of existing paper resources. Need to examine copyright issues as books may be illegally scanned by "book napsters". Potential for RIAA or MPAA pressuring libraries as a result. *Promotion of librarians, their competence and knowledge. *Email alerts to patrons (i.e. as Borders/Barnes& Noble do; should be noted there was disagreement on this as well *Libraries need to design/offer content for handheld devices. Also take a look at the following articles/links: 1.) Born with the Chip By Stephen Abram & Judy Luther "The next generation will profoundly impact both library service and the culture within the profession" at: http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA411572?display=searchResults&stt =001&text=abram 2.) http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/news/ipods_0704.html 3. http://www.libraryjournal.com/index.asp?layout=3DarticlePrint&articleID= 3D=CA323336 Again, many thanks to everyone, Gair __________ Gair Helfrich Network Services & Computer Services Manager Atlantic County Library 40 Farragut Avenue Mays Landing, NJ 08330 609-625-2776 ext. 6313 Fax: 609-625-8143 ghelfrich@acmail.aclink.org From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Mon Aug 30 16:05:41 2004 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41338895.8020203@thecommunitylibrary.org> Susan Glickman wrote: > I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public > libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public access > computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? We have allowed USB access on our public computers for ca. 2 years without problems--flash/pen/key/stick drives, cameras, etc. Security has not been a problem due to our antivirus, software to prevent permanent changes to the hard drive (Deep Freeze), and Windows group policies enforcing network restrictions and a whitelist of executables. In fact, patrons who use these devices have made my life easier. No issues with floppies gone bad, no issues with moving files between our PCs and laptops (even Macs), and easy transfer of big files. The only problems have been those devices, mostly cameras, needing software installed. For those cases, I have a stand alone PC with Deep Freeze available for people to put on whatever they want. Regards, Chris Murphy -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org From beden at ccmail.nevada.edu Mon Aug 30 17:36:14 2004 From: beden at ccmail.nevada.edu (beden@ccmail.nevada.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Future summary Message-ID: No one mentioned 3D information visualization. This field is rapidly moving forward, so much that ALA asked me to write a Library Technology Report on it. From what I see, this may be the next great revolution in information presentation (of course, those who are visually-challenged may find exception to this, but technology advancements may soon be implemented faster than services for those challenged by said technology advances). Brad Eden, Ph.D. Head, Web and Digitization Services University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries beden@ccmail.nevada.edu |---------+-----------------------------> | | "Helfrich, Gair" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | web4lib@sunsite3.b| | | erkeley.edu | | | | | | | | | 08/30/2004 12:20 | | | PM | | | Please respond to | | | GHelfrich | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list | | cc: | | Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Future summary | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| At the end of July I asked list members to consider what the future might bring. My thanks go to Genny Engel, Linda Arret, Alain Vaillancourt, Michael McCulley, Heinrich Kuhn, J.P. Knight, Edward Wigg, Michele Hamsphire, Florence Paisey, Charles Gimon, David King, Bill Drew, Jennifer Heise, Thomas Dowling and George Porter. (I think that's everyone; if I missed anyone, my apologies and thanks!) All their replies went to the list so if you followed the thread this is old news. Below is loosely categorized brief summary of the points that were made: Technology: *Wireless (x2) *RFID and/or other tracking technologies(x3)(Libraries need to be aware of RFID backlash.) *RFID use rises then drops *Self-checkout *Supporting flash drives, etc. *Wearable computers become commonplace and affordable; libraries serve as access points for the disadvantaged that can't/won't/ buy the technology and/or for specialist tasks. *Alternative (non-MS) operating systems (Linux) *Triple/multiple monitors (generated much discussion, pro and con) Searching/Catalogs: *Federated Search *Content management/database drive website *Increasing kinds of software available for public *Cooperative projects with local/regional/statewide agencies (x2) *Browsers Become Applications *Information "Commons" come to all types of libraries (portals anyone?) *Integrated Library Systems become more like the "Internet/WWW" (XML et.al.) *Enriched content in library catalogs (x2) *Enriched cataloging of articles *Linking catalogs to other bibliographic databases *Documenting free &/or Open Access journals in the catalog *Documenting aggregator journal coverage in the catalog *Cataloging free online books (UC Press, National Academy Press, Baen, etc.) *Implementing OpenURL linking services to leverage access to the free and fee journals through A&I databases *More use of unicode *Integration between information about items in libraries and items in open internet archives *Google becomes subscription bases *Documenting free &/or Open Access journals in the catalog *Documenting aggregator journal coverage in the catalog *Cataloging free online books (UC Press, National Academy Press, Baen, etc.) *Implementing OpenURL linking services to leverage access to the free and fee journals through A&I databases Services: *Live Reference continues growth and integration as a "basic" service of libraries *Library Web sites becomes more "bricks and clicks" portals (serving both Online and in- house clients) *Non-traditional ILL *Customizing/aggregating services and/or linking our services. Miscellaneous: *Development of unified site to manage user ids and passwords. Perhaps something the library can provide? *Less interest in preservation of items printed on acid paper *The number of users who request material that's not written in one of their 3 most favorite languages drops. *More digitization of existing paper resources. Need to examine copyright issues as books may be illegally scanned by "book napsters". Potential for RIAA or MPAA pressuring libraries as a result. *Promotion of librarians, their competence and knowledge. *Email alerts to patrons (i.e. as Borders/Barnes& Noble do; should be noted there was disagreement on this as well *Libraries need to design/offer content for handheld devices. Also take a look at the following articles/links: 1.) Born with the Chip By Stephen Abram & Judy Luther "The next generation will profoundly impact both library service and the culture within the profession" at: http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA411572?display=searchResults&stt =001&text=abram 2.) http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/news/ipods_0704.html 3. http://www.libraryjournal.com/index.asp?layout=3DarticlePrint&articleID= 3D=CA323336 Again, many thanks to everyone, Gair __________ Gair Helfrich Network Services & Computer Services Manager Atlantic County Library 40 Farragut Avenue Mays Landing, NJ 08330 609-625-2776 ext. 6313 Fax: 609-625-8143 ghelfrich@acmail.aclink.org From bardsley at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 30 18:40:30 2004 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (bardsley@u.washington.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: Summary: On-line (or off-line) document management software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last week I posted to get information about document management software. I am now summarizing. First, thanks go to: Karen Coyle, Amy M. Ostrom, and D.H. Mattison. Summary: I was convinced that CVS is a bit unwieldy to implement and use. It was pointed out that Wiki type tools can and are used for text based document management. However, I am looking for a solution to manage other types of documents as well (i.e. PDF, MS Word, Excel, graphics, etc.). I was directed to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kt-dms/ where I found an ideal free application called KnowledgeTree. The on-line demo was a bit slow but most of the traffic it would see for my situation would be intra-net and therefore much faster. I hope to test the document management application further to see if it can work well within my organization. Does anyone have real-world experience with it? Thanks, Mark Bardsley From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 30 19:52:59 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Testimony re: flash pens In-Reply-To: <375260908.20040830110844@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <20040830235305.10FC3C155B5@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > And that's why my flashdrive (a SanDisk Cruzer) lives on the > lanyard/cord that it came with. So far I've worn it a couple places I > didn't intend to when I forgot to take it off, but I've not yet worn > it into the shower or hot tub. I lose pens faster than anything, so > am sure I'd lose a pen drive in a couple days. Or give it to a patron > to fill out a form. Or something equally stupid. > My flash drive (keychain drive? Flash pen? Thingy?) is a 256mb Lexar Sport which I shopped for very carefully. Of course, months later, the 512 is the same price as the 256 was, but I haven't even begun to fill this thing up anyway, try as I might. This drive is encased in a sturdy rubber surround with a hole big enough to put on just about any keychain. The drive comes out of the surround to go into the USB connector. You can't drop or lose the cap. Also, the drive itself is slender, not one of those big ol' bulky things, which means it snuggles in between other, plumper USB devices. I have three thingies, one with a cap that falls off (came with a Dell), one that has a tiny hole and a lanyard (SWAG from a vendor party), and the Lexar. The Dell was honorably retired but continues to work fine, the SWAG sits in its presentation box, unused but very cute, and the Lexar, hanging from my keychain, is my true love. I'm extra careful with my keys (I have this ID case that hangs on my keys, with my driver's license, so I don't stuff keys into pants pockets or other places the drive might not be too happy), which might make a difference. And I don't plan to *wash* my keychain any time soon... Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Mon Aug 30 20:13:08 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens Message-ID: <4AA263AB78B5394A8277D4C2A0EE490E096941@MAINLIB12.lib.msu.edu> Daniel Ferrer wrote for Computers in Libraries Nov/Dec 2003 issue on flash drives. (http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/nov03/ferrer.shtml) I think he'll get a chuckle reading your story. I certainly did. :-) ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Creech > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens > > > So to start off a new week, one of my techs just came in with a sheepish > grin on his face. We got some new Flash Drives while he was on vacation > and he took one home last Friday to check it out on his home machine. > This is a ScanDisk Cruzer Mini 1.0 GB pen. He was looking everywhere for > it frantically at home yesterday. His wife got out the clean laundry from > the dryer ... and lo and behold, there it was freshly washed and dried. > And it still works. File this under innovative ways to freshen your data. > > John Creech, Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian > Brooks Library > Central Washington University > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 31 14:05:35 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: PDF "validator"? Message-ID: <4134BDEF.1030507@ohiolink.edu> Web4Lib-- I'm tending a collection of electronic theses and dissertations in PDF format, in which students (or their grad schools) are supposed to upload the PDF and then check that the uploaded version opens correctly when downloaded again. Too often, no one checks the PDF and we get a copy that was corrupted during the upload. Does anyone know of a tool that can check PDFs for common errors, and that I can script in a Unix command-line environment? -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From frasier at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 14:18:31 2004 From: frasier at gmail.com (Bob Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: microform readers Message-ID: We're looking for a microfilm and/or microfiche reader(s) that will output a digital image. Any suggestions on where to start would be most appreciated. Bob Frasier Mercer University mailto:frasier@gmail.com From michael at winterstorm.ca Tue Aug 31 14:33:01 2004 From: michael at winterstorm.ca (Michael McDonnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PDF "validator"? In-Reply-To: <4134BDEF.1030507@ohiolink.edu> References: <4134BDEF.1030507@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <4134C45D.2060303@winterstorm.ca> Thomas Dowling wrote: >Web4Lib-- > >I'm tending a collection of electronic theses and dissertations in PDF >format, in which students (or their grad schools) are supposed to upload >the PDF and then check that the uploaded version opens correctly when >downloaded again. Too often, no one checks the PDF and we get a copy >that was corrupted during the upload. > >Does anyone know of a tool that can check PDFs for common errors, and >that I can script in a Unix command-line environment? > > The popular "xpdf" program comes with some command line tools for doing conversion to other formats. I suspect that running a PDF through "pdftotext" might catch those errors. I haven't verified this but it probably worth trying. -- Michael McDonnell, GCIA Winterstorm Solutions, Inc. michael@winterstorm.ca From librarywebmaster at elmhurst.org Tue Aug 31 16:09:04 2004 From: librarywebmaster at elmhurst.org (LibraryWebmaster) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Testimony re: flash pens Message-ID: My library opened October 2003. We offer disk drives, CD Burners, and access via a front "flip" panel to 2 USB ports and a headphone jack. (These are Dell Machines) The only problem I have run into is that, if a person is using something pretty standard (big name digital camera, brand name flash memory stick) it works just great. However, I did have a person come in with some very odd Pen/Digital Camera of totally unknown brand (think spy stuff). This we could not make work at all, because our security will not let you install drivers and such. Overall, I would say that having the USB ports open is excellent. And I really believe that students are going to be carrying a combo Flash Memory/MP3 players rather than disks. (I have one of these and love it! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000CD0F4/ ) We do use deepfreeze and antivirus, so if someone did try to put something on our computer it would not last through a restart. Also, if a person has access to the internet or their email, they could just as easily try to install something yucky. Catherine E. Ingram ================================= Catherine E. Ingram, M.L.S. Assistant Head of Adult Services www.ElmhurstPublicLibrary.org 125 S. Prospect - Elmhurst, IL 60126 Catherine.Ingram@elmhurst.org Ph:630-279-8696 Fx:630-516-1364 "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." Derek Bok >>> "Susan Glickman" 08/30/04 11:48AM >>> I have a question about the flash drives for those of you in public libraries...are you allowing your patrons to use them on your public access computers? What are you doing about security and viruses? Susan Glickman -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of John Creech Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Testimony re: flash pens So to start off a new week, one of my techs just came in with a sheepish grin on his face. We got some new Flash Drives while he was on vacation and he took one home last Friday to check it out on his home machine. This is a ScanDisk Cruzer Mini 1.0 GB pen. He was looking everywhere for it frantically at home yesterday. His wife got out the clean laundry from the dryer ... and lo and behold, there it was freshly washed and dried. And it still works. File this under innovative ways to freshen your data. John Creech, Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Brooks Library Central Washington University From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Aug 31 16:34:20 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: Movable Type 3.1 debuts today Message-ID: <20040831203430.73A6CC1544F@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Movable Type 3.1 was just released, for those of you who follow such things. I'm in a perfect storm, so I won't be installing it for a couple of weeks, but I'm excited by dynamic pages, subcategories, and post scheduling, among other things. Anyone else upgrading to 3.1? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Tue Aug 31 18:05:15 2004 From: mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Hogarth, Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: LACASIS Workshop: Balancing Access, Privacy and Security in Your Organization; Speakers List Message-ID: <3195026BBF3C1140B196176D0EFBF97302D15309@e2k1.fullerton.edu> ***********EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION DEADLINE 9/1/04********** LACASIS Los Angeles Chapter of the American Society for Information Science & Technology www.lacasis.org What: 2004 LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP Balancing Access, Privacy and Security in Your Organization Friday, October 1, 2004 Kellogg West Conference Center 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Cal Poly Pomona, Pomona, California Why attend? This workshop covers: * California and National Legislation * Digital Rights Management * Wireless * Digital Reference * RFID: Radio frequency identification * And Much Much More!! Speakers: Karen Coyle: Keynote & Wrap-Up Jackie Siminitus, SBC: Cybercrime Heather Tunender, UC Irvine: Digital Reference (Using Services & Systems that are not your own Panel) Candace M. Carroll, Sullivan Hill: Recent law and legislation David Molnar, UC Berkeley: RFID Panel Laura Smart, Cal Poly Pomona: RFID Panel Jeanny Chan, Cerritos Public: RFID Panel Cost: $95 ASIST Members; Early Non-Members (postmarked before 9/1/04); Full-time Students $115 Non-Members (postmarked on or after 9/1/04) Detailed map and driving directions available at: http://www.kelloggwest.org/Location.html 1-800-KWEST-76 Registration: Register Today! ON-SITE REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE! Deadline to Register is 09/17/04 Register by mail with the form below or Register online at www.lacasis.org 2004 LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP REGISTRATION FORM Name___________________________________________________________ Affiliation________________________________________________________ Address_________________________________________________________ City________________________________State______________Zip________ Phone_____________________________Email_________________________ LACASIS Member? YES ____ NO____ Student? YES ____ NO _____ First LACASIS Event? YES ____ NO _____ Make a $25.00 Contribution to the ASIST SIG III Digital Scholar's Fund* YES ____ No____ Amount Enclosed $ _____________ Mail form to: Belinda Beardt, AIM, 900 Wilshire Blvd. Ste. 1424, Los Angeles, CA. 90017 Please make checks payable to LACASIS Watch for your email confirmation! All payments must be received by the registration date indicated. Full refunds will be given for any cancellations prior to that date. LACASIS reserves the right to invoice registered individuals who do not cancel within the specified time period. If you have registration questions, please contact Belinda Beardt at bbeardt@aimusa.com or 213-489-9800. * See http://www.asis.org/SIG/SIGIII/papercontest.htm for more information on the ASIST SIG III Digital Scholar's Fund From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Aug 31 21:10:05 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: Question for the old timers out there Message-ID: I'm putting together a history of the Illinois Library Computer Systems Organization (ILCSO), and I'd like to begin with a brief description of what the technical environment was like circa 1977-1978. I'm talking about IBM 360 mainframes. The ARPANET is less than ten years old. No public Internet yet. Really low bandwidth (maybe 19.2K at the most). E-mail in its infancy. OCLC just expanding beyond the borders of Ohio. The Web still a gleam in Tim Berners-Lee's eyes. The first Apple, TRS-80, and Commodore personal computers are brand new. The first IBM personal computers (and MS-DOS) are still several years in the future. The first word processor (WordStar) is still under development. You get the picture. Anyway, I am looking for sources that offer some good comparisons between then and now (e.g., comparing an IBM 360's processing power with a standard entry level PC available at a retailer like Best Buy). Thanks! Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From phenriksen at neflin.org Tue Aug 31 21:17:10 2004 From: phenriksen at neflin.org (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [Solution to printing problems on Gates' HP 4050 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409010118.i811IADj000055@webjunction.org> Folks, Our computer guy visited us and reinstalled the printer drivers. Cleared up the problems but not the mystery. As usual, the blind solution is cheaper than the resolution. But I'm all for it. Phalbe Henriksen Director Bradford County Public Library Starke, FL From richmond at hray.com Tue Aug 31 22:16:53 2004 From: richmond at hray.com (Rich Ackerman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question for the old timers out there In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:13:39 -0700 (PDT), Sloan, Bernie wrote: > I'm putting together a history of the Illinois Library Computer Systems > Organization (ILCSO), and I'd like to begin with a brief description of > what the technical environment was like circa 1977-1978. > > The first word processor (WordStar) is still under development. IBM had been building word processors since the 1960's, and other companies manufactured them as well. In 1976 Wang Laboratories introduced the Wang Word Processor, an innovative machine for its time. Maybe ILCSO had some? They were popular in universities. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories: "... The word processing machine?the Wang WPS?was introduced in June 1976 and was an instant success, as was its successor, the 1977 Wang OIS (Office Information System). "These products were technological breakthrough in their day. They were multiuser systems. Each "workstation" looked like a typical terminal of its day, but contained its own Z80 microprocessor and 65K of RAM (roughly comparable in power to a typical 1982 IBM PC). Disk storage was centralized in a "master" unit that was shared by the workstations, and connection was via high-speed dual coax. Multiple OIS "masters" could be networked to each other, allowing file sharing among hundreds of users. And the systems could be easily operated and administered by office personnel without special training (in the days before schools taught "computer literacy"). It was an astonishing achievement." I started working there in 1978 fresh out of school, where I had learned assembler, APL, and PL/I programming using punch cards on an IBM System 370/168. The 360 was already obsolete. My first project was writing the device driver for a $30,000 laser printer, the LPS-8, based on a Ricoh copier engine. It printed at 8 pages per minute, which was much faster than the daisy printers, chain printers, and matrix printers that preceded it. Their speeds tended to be measured in CPS (characters per second) or LPM (lines per minute). The printer controller card that I programmed had 12K of memory with an Intel 8080 and we wrote code in a combination of assembly and PL/M-80. This was before 5.25" hard drives; the OIS drives were the size of a small dishwasher. Our text editor, assembler, and linker were all written internally. So that's what one technical environment was like in 1978! Best wishes, Rich Ackerman old timer From rch.library at rch.org.au Tue Aug 31 22:33:14 2004 From: rch.library at rch.org.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: to X or not to X Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040901123314.00bec220@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> hi folks, i've had a lingering thought for a long time now .."one day, when i get time, i'll convert the entire library site from HTML 4.01 Transitional to XHTML 1.0". i thought this was A Good Thing to do. i've done one page so far. however, today i stumbled across a discussion "XHTML is invalid HTML" at http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/06/invalid-html. one commenter suggests it would be better to move from Transitional HTML4.01 to Strict, rather than move to XHTML. i certainly don't understand much of what's contained in the discussion ... "application/xhtml+xml", and character encoding (that one always leaves me staring blankly). i'd value opinions on what would be the best way to go .. should i go to strict, or to XHTML? or doesn't it matter so long as it validates? and what about the one page that already XHTML .. is the bit in my meta tag that says "text/html" wrong, and it's not XHTML afterall?? thanks, Vicki From uldmjl at buffalo.edu Tue Aug 31 23:24:40 2004 From: uldmjl at buffalo.edu (Mark J. Ludwig) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question for the old timers out there References: Message-ID: <003201c48fd3$4b92cd80$6400a8c0@HAL> I cannot comment about ILSCO, but I was a grad student at U of I in 1978. I had a research assistantship in one of the administrative offices. I learned a programmming language called 'MARKIV', which was a souped-up version of RPG. My first project was to read in a cabinet full of punched cards containing SAT scores. I created a tape file of about 20,000 cards so the cabinet could be discarded and free some space in the office. Eventually I was given a Texas Instruments Silent 700 thermal printing terminal and was probably one of the first students to dial up the IBM 370 from a dorm room at 1010 W. Green St. via an acoustic coupler for an old fashioned phone. There was no sign of a public computerized library catalog on campus at that time. The main library still had a beat-up card catalog strung through several hallways. I'm sure staff had OCLC terminals in the back room, but we couldn't use them. Expensive dial-up services such as BRS offered searches of article databases but were only accessible to librarians who performed the searches for serious researchers by appointment. U of I was way ahead of other schools at the time because of the PLATO system. I believe thay actually had to maufacture their own terminals, which had color displays and touch sensitive screens. I remember getting a map of campus on my first visit and being very impressed. While mainly for Computer Assisted Instruction, PLATO had a very early Campus Wide Information System before CRT terminals were widely available or affordable. Mark J. Ludwig Library Systems Manager University Libraries University at Buffalo State University of New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sloan, Bernie" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question for the old timers out there > I'm putting together a history of the Illinois Library Computer Systems > Organization (ILCSO), and I'd like to begin with a brief description of > what the technical environment was like circa 1977-1978. > > I'm talking about IBM 360 mainframes. The ARPANET is less than ten years > old. No public Internet yet. Really low bandwidth (maybe 19.2K at the > most). E-mail in its infancy. OCLC just expanding beyond the borders of > Ohio. The Web still a gleam in Tim Berners-Lee's eyes. The first Apple, > TRS-80, and Commodore personal computers are brand new. The first IBM > personal computers (and MS-DOS) are still several years in the future. > The first word processor (WordStar) is still under development. You get > the picture. > > Anyway, I am looking for sources that offer some good comparisons > between then and now (e.g., comparing an IBM 360's processing power with > a standard entry level PC available at a retailer like Best Buy). > > Thanks! > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO > University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting > 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 > Champaign, IL 61820 > > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 265-0454 > E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > > From osterloh at unm.edu Mon Aug 9 10:26:40 2004 From: osterloh at unm.edu (cassandra osterloh) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:29 2005 Subject: InfoTech Tips & Trends Message-ID: <2625015.1092040000@dhcp-208-0004.unm.edu> It's time for the 2nd installment of the InfoTech Tips & Trends! The Emerging Technologies in Instruction Committee is interested in hearing about the multimedia creation software (such as RoboDemo, Qarbon Viewlet, Flash, etc.) you are using to create or enhance your tutorials. Please tell us what the software is, its advantages and disadvantages, and anything thing else you think may be of interest to your colleagues. As before, we'll collect the responses for 2 weeks, and then post them on the committee's Web site for your reference. URL: http://www.ala.org/ala/acrlbucket/is/iscommittees/webpages/emergingtech/ind ex.htm Click on the InfoTech Tips and Trends link. Please post to the list. Thank you. Cassandra E. Osterloh Visiting Lecturer Instruction & Reference Librarian Search Coordinator University of New Mexico, Zimmerman Library 1 University of New Mexico MSC05 3020 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131-0001 505-277-0675 osterloh@unm.edu http://www.unm.edu/~osterloh From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Mon Aug 9 11:07:55 2004 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites Message-ID: >>> Andrew Mutch 08/06/04 01:03PM >>> > If you don't have enough computers to meet the demand, >limit the time that people can spend on the computers. Benjamin, it sounds like you're already doing this with a time management tool, but that the kids are using someone else's library card to sign on, is that right? Does your policy have a 'maximum hours/week' for *any* user? You could ratchet this down (which would be too bad for the resume-writer who needs the time) so the kids are limited more. Again, this is punishing the innocent as well as the guilty, which is difficult. I agree with everyone who has said this is a behavior issue, and technological solutions to behavior are limited. I know our IT dept has locked out (we have a Win2000 network) any streaming audio or video, which ticks off adults more than kids. We can have them release this if it's for an online class or whatever. Unfortunately, I believe most of the online gaming sites are Flash and Java, so that's hard to block without blocking most legitimate sites today. >One thing I would caution against is trying to do too much segregation by >use. We do have 3 computers just for database access and CD-ROM use and 3 >just for Word Processing. I have to reiterate what Andrew said about this. Esp. as you're in a smaller library with limited stations as it is. We have two Word/Office-only machines, which I'm glad we have, but the rest are either Net only or Net+Office. They're in nearly constant use. *However* we also have one station that we can pre-book. We offer this option in part because it's a holdover from when we only had 5 PC's (1 pre-booked, 4 walk-in). But we use this when the stations are very full and we have someone who *needs* to get on. The prebook station has a sign saying that any patron can sit down and use it, but may be asked to leave if we have a booking. If someone comes in and we're packed, I ask them if they can wait until the next 1/2 hour interval. I take their name and book them for it, then give the current sitter a 5 or 10 minute warning. We rarely have to use this. I know you have a time mgt system, but most of them can be adjusted to accomodate this sort of arrangement, where you have one station with a more rigid schedule, controlled by staff. In re: Andrew's problem with the CD/database computers, we had this problem for a while. When we upgraded our system last time, I did away with all but the Word-only machines, but chose to have this pre-book station idea which could be controlled more closely by staff to allow us to accomodate special needs. I hope some of this helps you, Benjamin. Best of luck! Louise =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Louise E. Alcorn -- Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdm.lib.ia.us From bert.coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be Mon Aug 9 11:56:15 2004 From: bert.coenen at law.kuleuven.ac.be (bert coenen) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:29 2005 Subject: terminal server and thin clients Message-ID: <41179E9F.2050203@law.kuleuven.ac.be> dear all, I' ve been asked to write a report on the cost of implementing a terminal server / thin client environment in our library. Since this is seriously uncharted territory for me, I was hoping to find some useful information here. We have about 50 workstations, the idea would be to replace them all with thin clients, or better: to hook all of them up to a terminal server and use them as thin clients. The main usage of these workstations is surfing the web and consulting catalogs and online databases. The first questions that come to mind are these: What kind of server do you use and how much does it cost (both hardware- and software-wise)? Do you have a backup-machine? How many clients are connected to your server? What kind of clients do you use, hardware-wise? How much does your software cost per client? thanks in advance, bert coenen law library KULeuven From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Mon Aug 9 12:46:15 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] terminal server and thin clients Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC803@mail.lib.msu.edu> You might want to consult with SYSLIB-L, a systems-related list more suited for this kind of question. Check it out at http://listserv.buffalo.edu/archives/syslib-l.html ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: bert coenen [mailto:bert.coenen@law.kuleuven.ac.be] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:57 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] terminal server and thin clients > > > dear all, > > I' ve been asked to write a report on the cost of implementing a > terminal server / thin client environment in our library. > Since this is > seriously uncharted territory for me, I was hoping to find > some useful > information here. > > We have about 50 workstations, the idea would be to replace them all > with thin clients, or better: to hook all of them up to a terminal > server and use them as thin clients. The main usage of these > workstations is surfing the web and consulting catalogs and online > databases. > > The first questions that come to mind are these: > > What kind of server do you use and how much does it cost > (both hardware- > and software-wise)? > Do you have a backup-machine? > How many clients are connected to your server? > What kind of clients do you use, hardware-wise? > How much does your software cost per client? > > thanks in advance, > > bert coenen > law library > KULeuven > > > > From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 9 13:55:38 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:29 2005 Subject: Course announcements on Web4Lib Message-ID: <20040809175546.A035BC13F77@mail.messagingengine.com> On the related issue of What's O.k. 4 Web4Lib, the editorial board would like to recommend that before posting a course announcement, you consider if the course a) pertains to the Web in Libraries, even tangentially, and b) is widely available enough to warrant posting on Web4Lib, with its very broad readership. Please don't fear posting courses to this list. Many course listings on Web4Lib are on target and widely available. Just take a moment to ask, Web (or even, Internet)? Libraries? And how many on Web4Lib might benefit from it? It's possible your course listing will do better on a regional list where you will reach more people who can benefit from your posting. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From jafrimon at wanadoo.es Mon Aug 9 18:48:23 2004 From: jafrimon at wanadoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Antonio_Fr=EDas?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:30 2005 Subject: 7th ISKO Spanish Chapter Conference (Barcelona, 6-8 July 2005) Message-ID: <004e01c47e62$faf56ee0$b6226750@hppav> 7th ISKO-Spain Conference The human dimension of knowledge organisation Barcelona 6-8 July 2005 The focus of the 7th ISKO-Spain Conference is on orienting users of systems and applications of information organisation and retrieval in companies, public administration, archives and document centres, portals or internet services, databases and digital libraries. Knowledge organization has traditionally been centred on representational objects -texts, images and documents in general- or on computer systems that facilitate information retrieval. It is ever more apparent that there is a need to take into consideration the cognitive, physical, and affective characteristics of different types of people when designing applications. Currently, with the availability of personalized systems that facilitate the interaction between persons and organisation systems, questions are being asked such as: -How to improve universal access to information? -How to obtain maximum performance from the management of knowledge in organizations? -How to incorporate users into the design cycles of knowledge organization systems? -How to respond to differences (social, cultural, etc.) of the users of these systems? TOPICS ? Theoretical base of knowledge organization: what it contributes to understanding the context of human perception; linguistic, social and cultural bases; and structures for representing knowledge. ? Design centred on the user of knowledge organization systems: management of content in different systems; usability, personalization, interoperability and multilingualism; design models based on artificial intelligence and natural language processing; its evaluation. ? Users and use of knowledge organization systems: search behaviour and the social use of Internet; training and competence in information handling; accessibility and the digital divide between different sectors of society; detecting needs for accessing web-based contents and electronic training for the disabled. ? Applications of knowledge organization systems: the market for knowledge organization systems; content classification systems (categories and taxonomies of web sites); intermediaries, disintermediation and re-intermediation; ethical aspects. SUBMITTING ABSTRACTS OF PRESENTATIONS AND POSTERS Authors have to present an abstract of their work -either oral presentations or posters- that will be reviewed by an evaluation committee as to timeliness, interest and originality. Abstracts of presentations should be at least 700 words long. They should include: title, objectives and the premise of the work, methodology followed, conclusions arrived at and, if relevant, references to 3 works used as a bibliography. The length foreseen for the presentation, not to exceed 20 minutes, should also be indicated. Abstracts of posters should be 500 words long and include titles, objectives, conclusions and a formal description of the poster. In all cases the name and address (post and electronic) with the contact's telephone should be provided for each presenter. Abstracts should be sent by e-mail in MS Word or another compatible format to isko2005@ub.edu. Acceptance of the abstract of a presentation requires the tacit commitment that at least one of the authors will be present to make the presentation during the congress. The working languages of the conference will be Catalan, Spanish and the English although works may be submitted in other languages. DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING ABSTRACTS: 25 OCTOBER 2004 Additional contact information: 7th ISKO-Spain Conference http://bd.ub.es/isko2005/ Technical Secretariat of the Conference Departament de Biblioteconomia i Documentaci? de la Universitat de Barcelona Edifici UB-Sants Melcior de Palau, 140 08014 Barcelona, SPAIN Tel. (34) 93 403 57 67 Fax (34) 93 403 57 72 e-mail: isko2005@ub.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 16 09:01:25 2004 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: WindowsXP sp2 Message-ID: <006401c48391$2609ce90$50912dc7@sauers> For those interested I installed sp2 on two computers over the weekend and wrote a report of my experience. You can find it @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/blog/sp2/ -------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Librarian, Trainer & Author Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: 303-751-6277 x110 :: msauers@bcr.org -------------------------------------------------- From kt32 at EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU Mon Aug 16 10:39:04 2004 From: kt32 at EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU (Turner,Kathleen) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: "Style" sheets Message-ID: No, not the cascading kind! I'm working on a style sheet for the content editors of pages on our library web site, to include such topics as whether "internet" should be "Internet" (see today's article in Wired - http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,61512,00.html?tw=wn_1culthead ), conventions for page titles, etc. If anyone has created a similar guide for a library web site, would you be willing to share it? Thank you, Kathleen H. Turner Web/Education Librarian W.W. Hagerty Library 33rd and Market Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875 Tel: 215.895.6783 Fax: 215.895.2070 Khturner@drexel.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 16 10:54:23 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Style" sheets Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66065@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> What you are talking about should not be called a "style sheet" as that term refers to CSS! Bill Drew -----Original Message----- From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:kt32@EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Style" sheets I'm working on a style sheet for the content editors of pages on our library web site, to include such topics as whether "internet" should be "Internet" (see today's article in Wired - http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,61512,00.html?tw=wn_1culthead ), conventions for page titles, etc. If anyone has created a similar guide for a library web site, would you be willing to share it? Thank you, Kathleen H. Turner Web/Education Librarian W.W. Hagerty Library 33rd and Market Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875 Tel: 215.895.6783 Fax: 215.895.2070 Khturner@drexel.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From ross.singer at library.gatech.edu Mon Aug 16 11:08:10 2004 From: ross.singer at library.gatech.edu (Ross Singer) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66065@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B17C66065@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <4120CDDA.4080101@library.gatech.edu> Whereas I don't think there's much danger in the content editors confusing "style sheet" with CSS, probably "style guide" is better term. But, yes, this is a good thing, and no, I have never had a "formal" style guide (as far as naming conventions, anyway). Even standards such as what you call your library would be helpful (not to mention name authorities on resources). Have fun with that political quagmire, -Ross. Drew, Bill wrote: >What you are talking about should not be called a "style sheet" as that term >refers to CSS! > >Bill Drew > >-----Original Message----- >From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:kt32@EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU] >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:42 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Style" sheets > >I'm working on a style sheet for the content editors of pages on our library >web site, to include such topics as whether "internet" should be "Internet" >(see today's article in Wired - >http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,61512,00.html?tw=wn_1culthead > ), >conventions for page titles, etc. If anyone has created a similar guide for >a library web site, would you be willing to share it? > >Thank you, > >Kathleen H. Turner >Web/Education Librarian >W.W. Hagerty Library >33rd and Market Streets >Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875 > >Tel: 215.895.6783 >Fax: 215.895.2070 >Khturner@drexel.edu > > > > > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* > > > From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Mon Aug 16 11:38:06 2004 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights 4:11 Available Message-ID: Cites & Insights 4:11 (September 2004) is now available for downloading at http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ4i11.pdf The 24-page issue, PDF as always, is mostly about library access to scholarship (and open access itself). That's half the issue. Full contents: * Bibs & Blather * Perspective: The Quality Contradiction * Library Access to Scholarship * The Library Stuff (nine items) * Library Stuff Perspective: Information Commons? [It's a major report. I'm not convinced--but you might be.] * The Good Stuff (six items) Note: If you use an RSS aggregator, you might prefer receiving these notices that way. http://cical.blogspot.com/atom.xml will set up an Atom feed, which contemporary aggregators can handle. From jimm at wingate.edu Mon Aug 16 11:42:01 2004 From: jimm at wingate.edu (Jimm Wetherbee) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" guides In-Reply-To: <4120CDDA.4080101@library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200408161141821.SM00334@inceptor> | But, yes, this is a good thing, and no, I have never had a "formal" | style guide (as far as naming conventions, anyway). Even standards such | as what you call your library would be helpful (not to mention name | authorities on resources). | | Have fun with that political quagmire, [--jimm replies] And it can be a quagmire indeed. A former PR director here had gotten over-all charge of the University websites and insisted that everyone conform to the AP style manual. Needless to say, the English Department did not see the necessity in this requirement. On the other hand, if your institution does have a generally accepted style manual (we have too many), you could use that as the basis for discussion. --jimm --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 16 12:25:35 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library lingo In-Reply-To: <411FB603.20500@uconn.edu> Message-ID: <20040816162545.91D87C14983@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > Worst of all for this CS-student-turned-librarian was trying to figure > out why databases were called 'files', as in "I'm going to search the > ABI file to see if the appropriate citation is there." Fortunately, > that usage of the term 'file' has all but disappeared as most of us and > our users are more acquainted with the personal-computer (or Internet) > meaning of the word... > Now that's a blast from the past--it's so "Dialog!" Quick, grab a blue sheet! Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 16 12:25:35 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <4120CDDA.4080101@library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20040816162544.E2712C14668@frontend1.messagingengine.com> The most important reason to have style guides is to predict and eliminate quagmires in advance, and to corral, if not kill, decisions made by caprice (or in some cases, head trips). It's good to have at least three guides: 1. A formal guide, such as AP, APA, or Chicago 2. An in-house guide, for exceptions, expansions, and clarifications 3. A preferred dictionary On #1, Jim, sorry about that flack who specified AP, which has very specialized uses, but it's good to have a guide at all. If you are producing a lot of blogs, RSS feeds, and newsy content, *do* look hard at Associated Press (which is also a very readable style guide). On #2, whenever you create a local exception, try hard to consider first why it is justified. Ask yourself how hard writing a simple paragraph should be. It may well be that it needs to be harder than average (and don't overestimate how hard it is to write a simple paragraph), but at least go through the motions. (Many of our local rules and exclusions were contributed by staff who reached a certain nausea factor with some hackneyed phrase or convoluted construction.) I read one academic style guide that specified APA or Chicago, as if they were interchangeable. That's pretty much like saying do the freestyle (pun intended). I am intrigued and encouraged by Wired's justifications, though in terms of the trade-off in what it would cost to make the change, until Associated Press changes its ways, or unless we see this pattern repeated in other major publications (preferably publications a little less Day-Glo), we'll still use "Internet." We'll stick with the hated "e-mail" for the same reason, though when we get global remove-and-replace, we'll definitely reconsider the latter. (Or should that be "lat-ter?") Karen G. Schneider Director, Librarians' Index to the Internet http://lii.org/ kgs@lii.org Check it out! Now online! A treasure trove, or perhaps goldmine, of information! From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Mon Aug 16 12:33:11 2004 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" guides Message-ID: This might be helpful http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/guidelines/index.html Ian Chan Seattle Central Community College Library http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Mon Aug 16 12:45:37 2004 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: Entrez's E-Utilities Message-ID: Has anybody succesfully integrated one or more of Entrez's E-Utilities into your Web site? In particular, we would like to grab citation details based on the PMID. I was hoping to see some real-life examples before we embarked on this quest. Thanks. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-8946 http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ From kyle.felker at ccmail.nevada.edu Mon Aug 16 12:47:22 2004 From: kyle.felker at ccmail.nevada.edu (kyle.felker@ccmail.nevada.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Message-ID: Here at UNLV, we looked at both logfiles and usability testing, as wall as other data, to help decide what went on the homepage. I would be willing to bet money that students want links directly to mechanisms that allow them to search online for material-the catalog, electronic databases, etc. And they want those things labeled in a way that makes sense. We chose the phrasing "Find articles," "find books" "find videos" etc. It seems to be working so far. I would also think that regardless of what else you put on the page, you will want to include a section on library news and events-this is going to be the most-visited page on the site, so it's ideal for advertising anything you need patrons to know about. Homepage design is a balancing act-you need enough links and information that students can get to things quickly and make informed decisions about what link to choose, but not so much that they can't make sense of the page. Prototyping homepages and testing them with users can help here. -Kyle Felker Web Manager UNLV Libraries Peter Murray @webjunction.org on 08/15/2004 02:38:41 PM Please respond to Peter.Murray@uconn.edu Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Ginther, Craig wrote: >We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the >expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of >information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? > I would humbly suggest that you need to ask your users to get the answer to that question. What do your users think is the most important information to display on your home page? Having been through two series of usability testing exercises for two sites, I'm amazed at the difference in the needs of each of the users. It seems to depend on the characteristics of your library system along with the needs and expectations of your users. (I'm sure others with more experience in usability testing may chime in, but it also seems like you need to keep retesting because the needs and expectations -- if not the characteristics of your system -- change over time.) Peter From phenriksen at neflin.org Mon Aug 16 14:03:31 2004 From: phenriksen at neflin.org (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: Gates printer problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040816140055.02a30708@mail.neflin.org> Folks, We have an H-P LaserJet 4050 TN that we got with the rest of our gifts from the Gates Foundation. We've never had much trouble with it until recently when it started printing just one copy no matter how many you asked it to. Has anyone else run into this and does anyone have any suggestions? Phalbe **************************************************** Phalbe Henriksen Director Bradford County Public Library 105 E. Jackson St. Starke, FL 32091-3396 bradford@neflin.org / phenriksen@neflin.org v (904) 964-6400 fax (904) 964-9463 "Just who is Elsie, and why do we always do what she says, even though she never comes to any meetings?" From hogue_m at lib.chattanooga.gov Mon Aug 16 14:20:33 2004 From: hogue_m at lib.chattanooga.gov (Hogue Melanie) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Message-ID: <64F655B6B420D94BB20B84E6E61AAD36083E52@Martinique.chattanoogatn.gov> I'm sure to get some disagreement here; but our web design committee ultimately decided to use scripts (with submenu alternatives) to pack as many links as possible into our front page. Our site is not the best artistically, but it is usable to a variety of patron-types. Information can be found several ways and places to accommodate different search styles. Our patrons didn't like to click too deeply, so this is what we wound up doing. http://www.lib.chattanooga.gov We are currently developing an ADA compliant site that will solve some current usability problems (link labels) as well as switch us over to CSS. This thread and "Library Lingo" with example sites have been very helpful! Melanie Amy Hogue, Librarian I Business, Science & Technology Chattanooga-Hamilton County Bicentennial Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of kyle.felker@ccmail.nevada.edu Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Here at UNLV, we looked at both logfiles and usability testing, as wall as other data, to help decide what went on the homepage. I would be willing to bet money that students want links directly to mechanisms that allow them to search online for material-the catalog, electronic databases, etc. And they want those things labeled in a way that makes sense. We chose the phrasing "Find articles," "find books" "find videos" etc. It seems to be working so far. I would also think that regardless of what else you put on the page, you will want to include a section on library news and events-this is going to be the most-visited page on the site, so it's ideal for advertising anything you need patrons to know about. Homepage design is a balancing act-you need enough links and information that students can get to things quickly and make informed decisions about what link to choose, but not so much that they can't make sense of the page. Prototyping homepages and testing them with users can help here. -Kyle Felker Web Manager UNLV Libraries Peter Murray @webjunction.org on 08/15/2004 02:38:41 PM Please respond to Peter.Murray@uconn.edu Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: home page content Ginther, Craig wrote: >We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the >expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of >information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? > I would humbly suggest that you need to ask your users to get the answer to that question. What do your users think is the most important information to display on your home page? Having been through two series of usability testing exercises for two sites, I'm amazed at the difference in the needs of each of the users. It seems to depend on the characteristics of your library system along with the needs and expectations of your users. (I'm sure others with more experience in usability testing may chime in, but it also seems like you need to keep retesting because the needs and expectations -- if not the characteristics of your system -- change over time.) Peter From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 16 14:44:50 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" guides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040816184457.CE43BC14B1A@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > This might be helpful > http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/guidelines/index.html > > > > Ian Chan > Seattle Central Community College Library > http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ > > Last week I was razzed for using the term "virgule" (though it was directed in-house, so geeze!) so I feel free to take a little poke at the usage guide available several links away at: http://macfadden.mit.edu:9500/publications/housestyle.html "Aeronautics and Astronautics USE short form: 'Aero/Astro' rather than 'Aero-Astro'" Fain would I yield to local convention, but a v-- I mean, forward slash thingy means "or," not "and." But that aside (and not withstanding a period outside of a comma), I thought this was very useful for Web writing: http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/writing/index.html I particularly enjoyed: http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/writing/examples2/fragments.html Once upon a time, as a second lieutenant, I worked with a chief whose formative years had included communicating via brief teletype messages. He insisted that we write most of our correspondence that way. He even *spoke* that way. Life by Morse code... even stranger than life by Boolean! K.G. (has been waiting for years to use "fain") Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From phenriksen at neflin.org Mon Aug 16 15:06:14 2004 From: phenriksen at neflin.org (Phalbe Henriksen) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Gates printer problem In-Reply-To: <5D000B78613C1C48989C7A5923B71ABA0210F06C@franklin.chesterf ield.gov> References: <5D000B78613C1C48989C7A5923B71ABA0210F06C@franklin.chesterfield.gov> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040816150009.0297c560@mail.neflin.org> I guess I didn't give enough detail. We use this printer for three networks, the Gates computers, a little wireless network with just two computers, and all of the staff computers. The printer is in the workroom, out of the way of patrons. We haven't had patrons complain about the problem, but 99.9% of the time, they're making only one copy. It's the staff who are having problems. No, the hurricane was headed our way, but we escaped when it shifted its path. Lee County Public Library seems to have very minor damage. Even the Pine Island Branch is OK. Phalbe At 02:53 PM 8/16/2004, Bridge, Frank wrote: >Hello Phalbe-- > >I hope that you fared well through the storm. As an old Florida >resident (moved from Tampa to Austin in March 1987) I still have a fond >place for the Sunshine State. > >I suggest that you check the settings on the printer itself (not the >printer driver software on the computer workstations). We have seen >customers change settings on the printers, and re-booting the stations >or re-setting the printer software on the workstation would have no >effect. > >Frank >-- >Frank R. Bridge >Technology Management Administrator >Chesterfield County Public Library >PO Box 297 >9501 Lori Rd. >Chesterfield, VA 23832-0297 >Voice: 804-748-1980 >Fax: 804-751-4679 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Phalbe Henriksen >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:11 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Gates printer problem > > >Folks, > >We have an H-P LaserJet 4050 TN that we got with the rest of our gifts >from >the Gates Foundation. We've never had much trouble with it until >recently >when it started printing just one copy no matter how many you asked it >to. >Has anyone else run into this and does anyone have any suggestions? > >Phalbe > >**************************************************** >Phalbe Henriksen >Director >Bradford County Public Library >105 E. Jackson St. >Starke, FL 32091-3396 >bradford@neflin.org / phenriksen@neflin.org >v (904) 964-6400 fax (904) 964-9463 > >"Just who is Elsie, and why do we always do what she says, even though >she never comes to any meetings?" From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 16 16:26:01 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <4120CDDA.4080101@library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <20040816202607.EF7FCC14712@frontend1.messagingengine.com> O Brave New World! I mean, Wired. Note what they say: "Web will continue to be capitalized when part of the more official entity, World Wide Web." So what does that mean, anyway? Have I been using the Unofficial Web (er, unofficial web) all this time, and no one clued me in about the Official Web? I feel so left out! How does this style rule translate to something mere writers can follow? When it is it an entity (or Das Entity) and when is it the mere unofficial web? K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu Mon Aug 16 16:30:09 2004 From: Elena_OMalley at emerson.edu (Elena OMalley) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: home page content Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D04C1DCB0@mail.emerson.edu> Craig, If you haven't already done so, you may want to post this question to PUBLIB as well. http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/ I work at an academic library, so this information may not be a great match for your users' needs. The most popular link on our homepage, by a wide margin, is our catalog. Our link is called "library catalog." Our research databases and information about them, our media department, and our hours and calendar are also popular (based on web stat analysis). If we had proper space for the hours on the homepage, we'd put them there. Links from our "what's new", spotlight, and quick links (popular pages or links) are also frequently used. I wouldn't go so far as 'must', but I'd personally do my best to juggle in a link to the catalog, address(es) and phone number(s)/TTY (circulation and reference), hours and events (or links to them), and a link to children/teen/homework help services. Good luck with your project, Elena O'Malley __ Elena O'Malley, Head of Library Computer and Internet Services Emerson College Library, Boston, MA 02116 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:27:59 -0400 > From: "Ginther, Craig" > To: "'web4lib@webjunction.org'" > Subject: home page content > Message-ID: <3B01F65FA1F0D511955500508BB44D0606FA438F@DC2EXC002> > > We're starting to look at a website redesign, and I'd like to draw on the > expertise of this group as a first step. Are there certain types of > information that you feel must be displayed on the 'home' page? I'm > thinking of things like branch locations, a link to the catalogue (or a > quick search box) and databases, information on how to get a library card, > fees/fines, etc. > > Are there others that you feel are critical, based on hit counts or > otherwise? Any help would be greatly appreciated... > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Ginther > Coordinator (Acting), Virtual Library Services > Ottawa Public Library/Biblioth?que publique d'Ottawa > 101 Centrepointe Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2G 5K7 > Phone: 613-580-2424 X41588 > craig.ginther@library.ottawa.on.ca/ > http://www.library.ottawa.on.ca/ From rch.library at rch.org.au Mon Aug 16 20:32:20 2004 From: rch.library at rch.org.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <20040816202607.EF7FCC14712@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040817103220.00be8430@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> i've seen it suggested that it be capitalised when speaking of "the Web" in general, but lower case should be used when referring to a "web page" or "web server" or "web site" etc. maybe that's what they mean .. ? v. At 01:31 PM 16/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: >O Brave New World! I mean, Wired. > >Note what they say: "Web will continue to be capitalized when part of the >more official entity, World Wide Web." > >So what does that mean, anyway? Have I been using the Unofficial Web (er, >unofficial web) all this time, and no one clued me in about the Official >Web? I feel so left out! How does this style rule translate to something >mere writers can follow? When it is it an entity (or Das Entity) and when is >it the mere unofficial web? > >K.G. Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com > > > > > > > From drweb at san.rr.com Mon Aug 16 20:56:27 2004 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" guides In-Reply-To: <20040816184457.CE43BC14B1A@frontend1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200408170056.i7H0uNOD003539@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> I always understood forward slash in text as "and/or," YMMV.. Best, Michael -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: Get thee down. Be thou funky. Monday, August 16, 2004 5:52:49 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:46 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" guides > >> This might be helpful >> http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/guidelines/index.html >> >> >> >> Ian Chan >> Seattle Central Community College Library >> http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ >> >> > >Last week I was razzed for using the term "virgule" (though it >was directed >in-house, so geeze!) so I feel free to take a little poke at >the usage guide >available several links away at: > >http://macfadden.mit.edu:9500/publications/housestyle.html > >"Aeronautics and Astronautics USE short form: 'Aero/Astro' rather than >'Aero-Astro'" > >Fain would I yield to local convention, but a v-- I mean, forward slash >thingy means "or," not "and." > >But that aside (and not withstanding a period outside of a >comma), I thought >this was very useful for Web writing: > >http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/writing/index.html > >I particularly enjoyed: > >http://macfadden.mit.edu/webgroup/writing/examples2/fragments.html > >Once upon a time, as a second lieutenant, I worked with a chief whose >formative years had included communicating via brief teletype >messages. He >insisted that we write most of our correspondence that way. He >even *spoke* >that way. Life by Morse code... even stranger than life by Boolean! > >K.G. (has been waiting for years to use "fain") Schneider >kgs@bluehighways.com From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 16 21:11:59 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040817103220.00be8430@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <20040817011206.47815C14C02@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > general, but lower case should be used when referring to a "web page" or > "web server" or "web site" etc. > > maybe that's what they mean .. ? > Maybe indeed, then why not say so? K.G. Schneider From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Aug 19 07:46:00 2004 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:39 2005 Subject: Latest Resource Listings from ResearchBuzz -- ( August 12 - August 18 ) Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040819074527.02e2c378@pop.mindspring.com> Following are links to resource writeups from the latest issue of ResearchBuzz ( August 12 - August 18 ). As always you may subscribe to the newsletter by visiting http://www.researchbuzz.com . Thanks, Tara tara@researchbuzz.com -- ** Getcher Google Results With Thumbnails * ** Langmaker Langmaker, Make Me A Lang.. 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It's the Windows Service Pack 2 * ** Take a Search Engine Survey * ** Google Mindmap * ** Yahoo Has a Special Edition for Google's IPO * ** It's Funny Where the 3GB E-Mail Accounts are Popping Up * From mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Thu Aug 19 10:57:30 2004 From: mhogarth at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Hogarth, Margaret) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:39 2005 Subject: Margaret McKinley Memorial Student Scholarship Essay Competition Results Message-ID: <3195026BBF3C1140B196176D0EFBF97302D15227@e2k1.Fullerton.EDU> The Los Angeles Chapter of the American Society for Information Science (LACASIS) is pleased to announce the results of the 13th annual Margaret McKinley Memorial Student Scholarship Essay Competition. The winner of the 2004 McKinley Scholarship essay competition is Youn Noh, Department of Information Studies, University of California, Los Angeles. In addition first runner up, Mana Tominaga, School of Library & Information Science, San Jose State University and second runner up, Eli Edwards, School of Library & Information Science, San Jose State University were selected from a pool of essays coming from California, Hawaii, New Zealand and Australia. Youn Noh is a third year student in the Information Studies program at UCLA. Her interested are in the areas of information technology and classification. Upon graduation in Winter 2004, Ms. Noh plans to pursue a career in academic librarianship. About the Margaret McKinley Memorial Student Scholarship Essay Competition: The Los Angeles Chapter of the American Society for Information Science and Technology offers this annual Student Scholarship Essay Competition for current library and information science graduate students. This Competition, first established in 1992, and renamed in memory of the late Margaret McKinley in 1993, is intended to encourage students in Librarianship and Information Science Programs to consider the benefits of participation in the activities of professional societies. The winner receives reimbursement funding up to US $1,000 for registration, airfare, and hotel expenses to attend ASIST's Annual Meeting and a one-year membership in ASIST. Two runners-up receive one-year memberships in ASIST. LACASIS Congratulates the 2004 Margaret McKinley Memorial Student Scholarship Essay Competition winners! ___________________________________ __________________________________ Aura Lippincott LACASIS Student Chapter Coordinator Tel: 310-206-6589 Email: alippinc@library.ucla.edu Email: aura.lippincott@anderson.ucla.edu Rosenfeld Management Library UCLA Anderson School of Management 110 Westwood Plaza, Box 951460 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1460 From lars at aronsson.se Thu Aug 19 18:41:23 2004 From: lars at aronsson.se (Lars Aronsson) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:39 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: alternative to NewsIsFree? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040814172741.02bd3ec0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040814172741.02bd3ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: Tara Calishain answered a question: > >Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? > >With the option of filtering news for certain topic and providing > >ready sources feeds blocks - e.g. Tech News > > Holy cow, there are billions of them at this point. Is there one that allows downloading of old news? A news feed is a daily flow, but is there anyone who archives them by day and year and allows a timeline-based search or presentation? Where can I dig up the news feeds for October 2002? Journal digitization projects such as JSTOR could in theory create news feeds from 1972 and 1872, but has anybody done this? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Aug 19 18:45:20 2004 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:39 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: alternative to NewsIsFree? In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040814172741.02bd3ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040819184300.02e97db0@pop.mindspring.com> At 06:41 PM 8/19/2004, Lars Aronsson wrote: >Tara Calishain answered a question: > >> >Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? >> >With the option of filtering news for certain topic and providing >> >ready sources feeds blocks - e.g. Tech News >> >> Holy cow, there are billions of them at this point. > >Is there one that allows downloading of old news? A news feed is a >daily flow, but is there anyone who archives them by day and year and >allows a timeline-based search or presentation? Where can I dig up >the news feeds for October 2002? If you're asking about sites which provide RSS feeds of old news, I'm not sure I can help you, but if you're asking if there are sites which aggregate news and provide deep archives of it by date, I think I can help you. Feedster pops to mind immediately; it hasn't been around that long but it does allow for "back loading" of entries and you can sort by date. I'm not sure if it's precisely what you're looking for, but FindArticles ( http://www.findarticles.com ) does allow sorting by date (FINALLY) and has pretty deep archives. Tara From bernies at uillinois.edu Sun Aug 29 21:56:56 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:52 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/08/29/internet.birthday.ap/index.h tml Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bernies at uillinois.edu Sun Aug 29 23:19:17 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:47:52 2005 Subject: Internet's 35th birthday on Thursday Message-ID: Looks like this went through the first time without a subject line: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/08/29/internet.birthday.ap/index.h tml Bernie Sloan From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 2 11:32:58 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:37 2005 Subject: Library websites and WAI guidelines Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CB863@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> I have gotten our library website to comply with W3C WAI Level 1 and 2 accessibility guidelines. How are other proceeding on getting their pages to comply with Level 3? It includes such things as using tabindex: 9.4 Create a logical tab order through links, form controls, and objects. * Rule: 9.4.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'tabindex' attribute. This rule does not make logical sense when you are displaying a page of links with no priority in them. The other area concerns using 'accesskey'. What about pages with large numbers of links on them? 9.5 Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. * Rule: 9.5.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'accesskey' attribute. Any suggestions? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 2 12:09:56 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library websites and WAI guidelines In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CB863@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> References: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CB863@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <410E6754.30702@ohiolink.edu> Drew, Bill wrote: >I have gotten our library website to comply with W3C WAI Level 1 and 2 >accessibility guidelines. How are other proceeding on getting their pages to >comply with Level 3? > I ignore level 3. Sorry, but the goal doesn't merit the work involved (IMO of course): [Priority 3] A Web content developer *may* [W3C's emphasis] address this checkpoint. Otherwise, one or more groups will find it somewhat difficult to access information in the document. Satisfying this checkpoint will improve access to Web documents. Not even a "should", not even a "will remove significant barriers". >The other area concerns using 'accesskey'. What about pages with large >numbers of links on them? > > I thought the accessibility folks had thrown in the towel on accesskey. It may have been a good idea, but it has no built-in user interface, and no way to select for it in CSS (that is, no way to select just the "N" in Next). So at best there's a *lot* of manual tagging to highlight or underline the accessekey characters, or trust the browser to dig them all out for the user. Also, any implementation of it in the browser ends up screwing up the browser's own keyboard short cuts. >9.5 Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in >client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. > > * Rule: 9.5.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and >TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'accesskey' attribute. > >Any suggestions? > > Say hello to Mr. Tab Key. -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 2 12:15:24 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library websites and WAI guidelines Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CB879@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Just what I will end up doing for now. Bill Drew -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Dowling [mailto:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library websites and WAI guidelines Drew, Bill wrote: >I have gotten our library website to comply with W3C WAI Level 1 and 2 >accessibility guidelines. How are other proceeding on getting their pages to >comply with Level 3? > I ignore level 3. Sorry, but the goal doesn't merit the work involved (IMO of course): [Priority 3] A Web content developer *may* [W3C's emphasis] address this checkpoint. Otherwise, one or more groups will find it somewhat difficult to access information in the document. Satisfying this checkpoint will improve access to Web documents. Not even a "should", not even a "will remove significant barriers". >The other area concerns using 'accesskey'. What about pages with large >numbers of links on them? > > From Mandy.Baldridge at infocurrent.com Tue Aug 3 10:58:16 2004 From: Mandy.Baldridge at infocurrent.com (Mandy.Baldridge@infocurrent.com) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: Position - Product Manager/Taxonomy - Los Angeles Message-ID: Product Manager Catalog /Taxonomist Our client, is a profitable, fast-growing shopping search engine. By enabling shoppers to quickly search for and locate millions of products at thousands of retailers, it has grown to be one of the world's largest websites. The position is in Los Angeles, California. 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Deepfreeze Professional allows that a Thawspace be set aside. I would like to keep use data on such Thawspace. Does anyone know of a utility that allows one to keep track of how often a program, such as Palm Desktop, is run, in a file which can be saved to a particular location, such as on the Thawspace? Thanks in advance. Bob Harrison Technology Support Librarian Medical College of Wisconsin 414.456.8514 bharriso@mcw.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From connie.hudson at flower-mound.com Tue Aug 3 11:41:36 2004 From: connie.hudson at flower-mound.com (Connie Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: Cable Internet Question Message-ID: Is anyone using a cable Internet connection for their public Internet computers? Our IT department has just proposed this to us and I would appreciate any information you can share with me before we agree (or not). Thanks, Connie Connie Hudson, Systems Coordinator connie.hudson@flower-mound.com Flower Mound Public Library 3030 Broadmoor Flower Mound, TX 75022 972-874-6161 fax 972-874-6466 From lyceum at arl.org Tue Aug 3 13:59:17 2004 From: lyceum at arl.org (ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum: Professional Writing for Librarians Message-ID: <410FD275.9020906@arl.org> Professional Writing for Librarians ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum Course August 23-September 24, 2004 http://www.arl.org/training/writing.html The Association of Research Libraries is pleased to offer its newest Online Lyceum course, Professional Writing for Librarians. This course is designed to help participating librarians develop and enhance the research and writing skills that lead to publication. Regardless of the position you hold, writing will be an integral part of your work. Your published writing may include a press release or newsletter contribution, writing a regular column in a library periodical, contributing to the conference literature by presenting at national or international professional meetings, or writing for a research publication. All writing projects--from straightforward to complex--have certain stages and elements in common. This course will help you understand these elements and manage each stage so that, regardless of your writing assignment, you will be well equipped to successfully complete it. In this course you will review the entire writing process, from getting started to submitting your manuscript. Along the way, you will be introduced to different writing techniques and learn to communicate your ideas and increase your knowledge of the various publications available to you. In this course you will: * develop strategies to help you select a topic * assess publishing opportunities and most appropriate venues for your material * examine the core parts of a research article and hear tips on how to write each one well * review the fundamentals of drafting, editing, and proofing your text * learn how to work with editors, reviewers, and publishers Target Audience Anyone interested in honing his or her writing skills with the aim of publishing in the library literature. Instructors * Patricia Brennan, Product Development Manager, Thomson Scientific (ISI) * Aline Soules, Associate Dean and Deputy University Librarian, California State University-Hayward Register Now! Register online at http://db.arl.org/training/lycreg.html Registration Fee: $500 for ARL members/$550 for nonmembers For more information about this or other ARL/OLMS Online Lyceum courses, please visit our Web site at: http://www.arl.org/training/lyceum.html or contact Karen A. Wetzel, ARL Program Officer for Distance Learning by phone at 202-296-8656 or via e-mail at karen@arl.org. -- Karen A. Wetzel Program Officer for Distance Learning Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle, Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 Tel.: 202-296-8656 Fax: 202-872-0884 karen@arl.org From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 3 14:06:25 2004 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: Question on br and clear Message-ID: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CBA0A@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Can someone give me something that would produce results similar to or same as
? It is now deprecated in HTML 4.01. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference Morrisville State College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu AOL Instant Messenger:BillDrew4 BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Library: http://library.morrisville.edu/ SUNYConnect: http://www.sunyconnect.suny.edu/ From msauers at bcr.org Tue Aug 3 14:26:37 2004 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question on br and clear In-Reply-To: <53F453830C5F4B458002E3E863C2339B173CBA0A@Mail0.csntprod.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <007001c47987$6d073030$50912dc7@sauers> > Can someone give me something that would produce results > similar to or same > as
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-------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Librarian, Trainer & Author Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: 303-751-6277 x110 :: msauers@bcr.org -------------------------------------------------- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 3 16:52:39 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: IE6's whacky submit buttons Message-ID: <410FFB17.7030304@ohiolink.edu> Web4Libbers-- I've been vaguely bothered by this for quite a while, but it has become more of an issue in a design I'm working on. In IE6 (or at least, IE6 under XP), form submit buttons start to look very strange if the input's value attribute exceeds some mysterious length. That is, for something like '' you get the nicely rounded and shaded 3D button from the standard XP widgets. But beyond some length, I get a crudely magnified button, as though someone loaded the nice native button into a cheap image editor and resized it, complete with serious jaggies. My copies of Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox 0.9 manage to use the native button without this problem (Mozilla is a better integrated Windows app than IE?). Opera's "Native Windows" skin also has no problems. You can see examples of submit buttons ranging from sensible to silly at along with a screenshot of what this can look like on my machine. I may see this more often than some people because I have an unusually high screen resolution, but I do see it with longer submit buttons on colleagues' PCs. I haven't been able to find anything on this problem; does anyone on the list know about it? With CSS applied, I can make IE render a reasonable button, but for reasons of both usability and aesthetics, I'd like to stay with the native button. -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu Tue Aug 3 17:46:14 2004 From: duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE6's whacky submit buttons In-Reply-To: <410FFB17.7030304@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040803171017.02d37ac0@mail.lafayette.edu> At 01:56 PM 08/03/2004 -0700, Thomas Dowling wrote: >I've been vaguely bothered by this for quite a while, but it has become >more of an issue in a design I'm working on. > >In IE6 (or at least, IE6 under XP), form submit buttons start to look >very strange if the input's value attribute exceeds some mysterious >length. That is, for something like 'value="Search">' you get the nicely rounded and shaded 3D button from >the standard XP widgets. But beyond some length, I get a crudely >magnified button, as though someone loaded the nice native button into a >cheap image editor and resized it, complete with serious jaggies. Funny you should mention.... I just started noticing this myself. I have no solution, but here are some things I've observed: - The crude button only appears that way if you choose an XP theme in the Display control panel; if you use the Windows Classic theme in XP the buttons are the familiar grey with no distortion. (As they are if you disable "Enable visual styles..." in Internet Options.) - I have a button which does it on one page, but on a different page, that same button is fine and a different (longer) button is all squirrely. Odd seeing as how nothing has changed about the button except its company. - I can sometimes (but not always) make a crude button change appearance by playing with the encoding setting in the browser. For example, the page at shows the crude button ("Save Marked Records") when it loads. But if I alter the browser's encoding setting from "Western European (Windows)" to "Unicode (UTF-8)", the button cleans up. If I go back to Western European, the button goes back to crude. However, on a different page where the auto select encoding shows as Unicode, there is still a squirrely button. And changing the encoding setting on Thomas' example page does nothing. Beats me. Bob Duncan ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~ Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 6 08:10:32 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "new" version of IE in XP Service Pack 2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040806102526.00c3f808@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20040806102526.00c3f808@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <41137538.1040105@ohiolink.edu> Vicki Falkland wrote: >one thing made me smile in regard to blocking popups: "Internet Explorer >will attempt to block any window opened automatically from script, with the >exception of createPopup()" ... >eh?? that's almost an oxymoron, or just perverse? > > > AFAICT, this proprietary, Microsoft-only method creates something more like a tooltip within the current window, rather than what everyone else in the world would call a pop-up. Another good way to mess up the browser interface your users already know, and to say "Up Yours" to anyone who would dare use a non-IE browser on your site. (Oh, and let's talk about MS's own recommendation to surf with scripting turned off...) -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From drobinson at hwwilson.com Fri Aug 6 08:58:39 2004 From: drobinson at hwwilson.com (Dan Robinson) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] What about a non-full-text limiter? Message-ID: <0DBB337BAB6ABA4F8F7772585216794F6945E1@HWWEXCH.hwwilson.com> Brian, you can do this in a search if you know how the limit to full text is created in the first place. If it is done by programming behind the scenes, you're probably out of luck. If the limit to full text is really just a precanned search, and you can see the actual search, just reverse it as a 'not' search. Your database should also have a holdings display. Of course this all depends on whether your choice of databases has not been limited to full text only ones. In which case none of this applies. . I'll put in a shameless plug and say that all of this is doable in our databases, except of course, the full text only ones. Dan Robinson drobinson@hwwilson.com > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Brian Mathews > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] What about a non-full-text limiter? > > > > I wish that database vendors included a non-full-text > limiter. Sure, it is strategic to have the ability to filter > your results for full-text only, but what if you wanted a > list of items that are not available online? > > > > A practical example: A patron is in a rush to find articles > for a paper due in two weeks. After looking through a > multitude of full-text titles, they realize that the paper is > going to require a visit to the actual library. > >> .................... > > > Of course, taking this further, it would be nice to be able > to measure the search results against the catalog (a la > WorldCat) to indicate local holdings. So in our scenario > here, the patron could run a search and collect all the > full-text articles, then limit the search to journals held in > the local library. And then, time permitting, could generate > a list of non-full text, non-locally held articles for ILL. > > > > Something like that... > > > > Brian > > > > From Sprague at riponlibrary.org Fri Aug 6 10:34:06 2004 From: Sprague at riponlibrary.org (Benjamin Sprague) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A996BA70@mail.winnefox.org> Hello, We have a number of middle-school-aged children who frequently use our public Internet computers during the summer. I believe some of them would stay on all day long if we let them. Although our policy does not list online games as a reason for our offering public Internet access, we do not currently block it, either. However, lately it has begun to cause problems - both with computer congestion (patrons with legitimate uses are forced to wait in line for an open computer), and with problems with the young patrons themselves (a few have been disciplined or asked to leave due to foul language or refusing to listen to library staff). Within the past two weeks, we have even had two computers get semi-vandalized in the middle of the day (one one, a protective screen was ripped off of a flat-panel monitor, and on another someone decided it would be fun to pry some keys off of a keyboard). I am thinking of recommending to our director that we block these online gaming sites - or at the very least, threaten to block them. I know we would have some very angry young patrons, but if they refuse to use our computers responsibly (and these are brand-new high-end Dells), we have no choice but to eliminate the main reason why they're on there. If anyone has dealt with this type of situation before, or has any other helpful suggestions, I'm all ears :) Thanks, Benjamin D. Sprague ---------------------- Circulation Supervisor / Technology Services Ripon Public Library website: http://www.riponlibrary.org email: sprague@riponlibrary.org From athena at mail.ucf.edu Fri Aug 6 10:53:16 2004 From: athena at mail.ucf.edu (Athena Hoeppner) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: OpenURL Systems - What are you using? Message-ID: Hi, I'm curious what OpenURL systems (SFX and the like) are in use. Has your library (or consortia) implemented OpenURL? If so, what do you use? I'd love to hear your comments about your system, whether it was purchased or created in-house - anything you think is note worthy. Please respond to me off-list and I will summarize for the group in a couple weeks. Thanks, Athena Hoeppner Athena Hoeppner Electronic Resources Librarian athena@mail.ucf.edu (407)823-5049 From msauers at bcr.org Fri Aug 6 10:47:57 2004 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A996BA70@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: <002901c47bc4$5fe2ebd0$50912dc7@sauers> As I read your story, I feel that the problem is the behavior of the children, not the online games. I realize that I don't have the typical reaction to these types of situations but if we start banning things because people are abusing it, where does that stop. Cell phone bans are usually where I present this argument. The problem is not the cell phone, it's the asshat on the cell phone bothering other people. Banning the cell phone is not the solution. Hey, I've needed to use my cell phone to call someone while in the library to ask "is this the book you wanted?" Should I need to go to the lobby, or even outside, to do this if why behavior is not bothering anyone? (I'm whispering and my phone is on vibrate.) The kids are causing trouble. Ban their behavior, which I'm sure you've already done, and/or ban the children from the computers and/or library as a punishment for the behavior. Don't punish all the kids by banning games since some of them are misbehaving. -------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Librarian, Trainer & Author Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: 303-751-6277 x110 :: msauers@bcr.org -------------------------------------------------- > I am thinking of > recommending to our director that we block these online gaming sites - > or at the very least, threaten to block them. I know we > would have some > very angry young patrons, but if they refuse to use our computers > responsibly (and these are brand-new high-end Dells), we have > no choice > but to eliminate the main reason why they're on there. From Sprague at riponlibrary.org Fri Aug 6 11:09:06 2004 From: Sprague at riponlibrary.org (Benjamin Sprague) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A996BA71@mail.winnefox.org> Michael, I agree with you in that we don't want to punish all of the kids who use our library because of a handful of problem patrons. However, when none of the patrons in question are willing to tell us who caused the damage, it's hard to pinpoint one person and ban them from Internet use without any actual evidence. That's why I think that a mild threat of their games getting banned would be enough to reduce the amount of trouble we've had considerably. We do have a computerized sign-up system for our public computers, along with enforced time limits, but at the moment there is no way to prevent them from using someone else's card to go online or circumvent those time limits. We're a fairly small public library to begin with (only 7 public Internet stations), but recently we have seen over 350 patrons use our computers in one week. It's frustrating when a patron comes in and realizes that the reason they can't get on a computer to get their work done is because a bunch of kids are playing games instead of enjoying the nice weather :) On a side note, a computer / Internet cafe opened in our town recently, and was in business for only a few weeks. Apparently, people weren't willing to pay for something they could get at the library for free ;) Benjamin D. Sprague ---------------------- Circulation Supervisor / Technology Services Ripon Public Library website: http://www.riponlibrary.org email: sprague@riponlibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sauers [mailto:msauers@bcr.org] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:48 AM To: Sprague@riponlibrary.org; 'Multiple recipients of list' Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites [...] The kids are causing trouble. Ban their behavior, which I'm sure you've already done, and/or ban the children from the computers and/or library as a punishment for the behavior. Don't punish all the kids by banning games since some of them are misbehaving. [...] From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Aug 6 11:14:47 2004 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: What about a non-full-text limiter? Message-ID: Hi Lars, It has certainly changed for some disciplines, at least for journal articles (as opposed to books). I do test runs to see how OpenURL resolvers work with 16 databases supported in Eureka, our end-user search system, including 13 primarily-article databases. While I only look at two searches and 30 or 50 items per search, it's still a fairly broad test. >From what I can see, the majority of recent cited articles in anthropology are available in full text (some institutions show as high as 70% for our anthropology databases), and I'd guess this is true of most sciences. I believe that something like 11,000 refereed science/technology/medicine (STM) journals are available in full text (as are thousands of other periodicals); that's a majority of all refereed STM journals (a large majority by most estimates of the total population). Even for areas where full text is more difficult (e.g., art and architecture), I'm seeing as high as 30%-40% full text yield--and, for that matter, in two of our databases that are either humanities/social sciences or general-interest, I see as high as 75%-80% full-text yield for searches involving recent material. [I'm not touting our services in this case, because Brian's question would be irrelevant: We don't host any of the full text, but OpenURL makes it easy for libraries to combine our professional indexes and the full-text resources they're already paying for.] Cheers, walt crawford, RLG (speaking on my own behalf but with the background of testing more than 100 OpenURL configurations) Brian Mathews wrote: > I wish that database vendors included a non-full-text limiter. Sure, > it is strategic to have the ability to filter your results for > full-text only, but what if you wanted a list of items that are not > available online? Was there yet a realistic case where any query yielded a significantly smaller list of results if the online available texts were left out? What science and which query? Your wish sounds like a catalog of the books that aren't written yet, or going to Africa's jungles to find all animals that aren't there. This is because I have the preconceived notion that so very little information is available online. Maybe one day that will not be so. Maybe it has already changed for some disciplines? -- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik From bernies at uillinois.edu Fri Aug 6 11:15:54 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: NISO's "Understanding Metadata" Message-ID: My apologies if someone has already mentioned this...I searched the archives, but I could have missed something. "NISO's newest publication is Understanding Metadata: a general introduction to metadata, that includes an overview of leading metadata contenders and examples of practical applications. You are invited to download Understanding Metadata as a free pdf." http://www.niso.org/standards/resources/UnderstandingMetadata.pdf Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us Fri Aug 6 11:19:25 2004 From: LScritch at MAIL.co.washoe.nv.us (Scritchfield, Larry) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites Message-ID: <52D1E8A877040744B1AA562F4AD9192B085B8DD8@mail.co.washoe.nv.us> The problem should be handle-able under your problem patron policy, shouldn't it? In my experience, people are quick to blame the computer or the Internet when the problem is the patron(s). Is even legal to block these sites? Don't people have a right to access this "information?" Larry Scritchfield lscritch@mail.co.washoe.nv.us Internet Services Librarian (775) 327-8349 Washoe County Library System www.washoe.lib.nv.us -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Sprague [mailto:Sprague@riponlibrary.org] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites Hello, We have a number of middle-school-aged children who frequently use our public Internet computers during the summer. I believe some of them would stay on all day long if we let them. Although our policy does not list online games as a reason for our offering public Internet access, we do not currently block it, either. However, lately it has begun to cause problems - both with computer congestion (patrons with legitimate uses are forced to wait in line for an open computer), and with problems with the young patrons themselves (a few have been disciplined or asked to leave due to foul language or refusing to listen to library staff). Within the past two weeks, we have even had two computers get semi-vandalized in the middle of the day (one one, a protective screen was ripped off of a flat-panel monitor, and on another someone decided it would be fun to pry some keys off of a keyboard). I am thinking of recommending to our director that we block these online gaming sites - or at the very least, threaten to block them. I know we would have some very angry young patrons, but if they refuse to use our computers responsibly (and these are brand-new high-end Dells), we have no choice but to eliminate the main reason why they're on there. If anyone has dealt with this type of situation before, or has any other helpful suggestions, I'm all ears :) Thanks, Benjamin D. Sprague ---------------------- Circulation Supervisor / Technology Services Ripon Public Library website: http://www.riponlibrary.org email: sprague@riponlibrary.org From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Aug 6 11:22:37 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A996BA70@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: <20040806152243.05508C140B7@mail.messagingengine.com> Thanks for sharing this scenario on Web4Lib. I see several issues here. > We have a number of middle-school-aged children who frequently use our > public Internet computers during the summer. I believe some of them > would stay on all day long if we let them. Perhaps you have these, but if I were mixing up a recipe, I would be sure to add: 1. A computer use policy and user agreement 2. A policy about how long people can stay on computers 3. Signs posting the key tenets of the agreement 4. Support from the higher-ups about enforcing the policy > list online games as a reason for our offering public Internet access, > we do not currently block it, either. It's not the format, it's the behavior. > However, lately it has begun to > cause problems - both with computer congestion (patrons with legitimate > uses are forced to wait in line for an open computer), Let's separate out the congestion problem. Depending on your resources, you could set aside several computers and allow gaming on them (perhaps even pick one and allow ONLY gaming on it), and then attempt to block games on the other machines. Resource allocation is a legitimate end. > it would be fun to pry some keys off of a keyboard). I am thinking of > recommending to our director that we block these online gaming sites - > or at the very least, threaten to block them. I know we would have some > very angry young patrons, but if they refuse to use our computers > responsibly (and these are brand-new high-end Dells), we have no choice > but to eliminate the main reason why they're on there. Your patrons who can't use computers or who are subject to out-of-control children are probably not happy, either. It's also likely there are kids who would like to use the library computers (and would maybe like to do some gaming themselves) but they are intimidated by the bad element. Using someone else's card to get online should be treated as if they were using someone else's ATM card. In that scenario, both kids should have their cards revoked or suspended. And call me really old-fashioned and I'm violating their right to privacy--I'm very un-PC when it comes to kids--but while you're at it, call or mail their parents. If you focus on the behavior--not the format--you'll be in good shape for whatever the kids think up next... K.G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From delanema at oplin.org Fri Aug 6 11:41:06 2004 From: delanema at oplin.org (Margaret Delaney) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: Last Chance to Register for Advanced PowerPoint 2000 Message-ID: <005a01c47bcb$c9d58e10$3b01a8c0@oval.lib.oh.us> 8/13/04 - 8:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m. @ OVAL POWERPOINT 2000 ADVANCED John Paul, Winsoft Computer Education, Inc. Registration closes Monday, August 9th COSTS: OVAL/MOLO/SOLO member library staffs: $0.00 Cost to all others: $60.00 per person --This course is designed to provide the user with the tools necessary to create professionally customized presentations. Topics include the automating of presentations through the use of actions buttons, hyperlinks, and the defining of customized playbacks. The student will learn to utilize OLE objects, alter backgrounds on a customized level, and prepare their presentation for delivery off-site. 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To cancel a registration, please contact OVAL Continuing Education Coordinator Margaret Delaney at mailto:ceoval@oplin.org or 1-800-759-1537 or 1-740-384-2103, ext. 2. __________ __________ Come visit OVAL and LEARN! Margaret L. Delaney, Continuing Education Coordinator Ohio Valley Area Libraries Regional Library System (OVAL) 252 West Thirteenth Street, Wellston, OH 45692 740-384-2103 x 2 ~ 740-384-2106 fax http://www.oval.lib.oh.us ~ mailto:ceoval@oplin.org From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 6 11:44:36 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OpenURL Systems - What are you using? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4113A764.7020104@ohiolink.edu> Athena Hoeppner wrote: >Hi, > >I'm curious what OpenURL systems (SFX and the like) are in use. Has >your library (or consortia) implemented OpenURL? If so, what do you >use? > > > OhioLINK uses a locally developed open source resolver. In my experience, resolvers are not difficult software (hey, if *I* can write one...); the tricky part is establishing administrative control over your electronic journal subscriptions. If you're more or less able to generate a table of your e-journals with columns for the site they're located at, and years and/or volumes of coverage, you may want to look at local development or open source options. There is a small but helpful community of OpenURL developers and link wranglers who can tell you, for example, "To link to an article on site X, construct a URL like this...". If you don't have that subscription information, it may be worth the price of a commercial package just to have the vendor sort it all out for you. Of course, it may ultimately be worth more to sit a staff member down with instructions to do this, and let you use the information as you think best. -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kt32 at EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU Fri Aug 6 11:52:29 2004 From: kt32 at EXCHANGE1.DREXEL.EDU (Turner,Kathleen) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: Federated Search services Message-ID: We have made the decision to add a federated searching product to our online services, and are investigating the leading products, with our attention primarily focused on Webfeat and ExLibris' MetaLib. We implemented ExLibris' SFX this past year, and found that their support of the implementation process (which is complex), and on-going support have been excellent, and that user response has been very positive. We have been able to identify a few academic libraries who have implemented MetaLib but so far, I have found very few using Webfeat; their customer base seems to be primarily public libraries. If anyone has experience with implementing either of these products, particularly in an academic library, could you contact me? Thank you, Kathleen H. Turner Web/Education Librarian W.W. Hagerty Library Drexel University 33rd and Market Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875 Tel: 215.895.6783 Fax: 215.895.2070 Khturner@drexel.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mhampshire at cityofmillvalley.org Fri Aug 6 13:52:21 2004 From: mhampshire at cityofmillvalley.org (Michele Hampshire) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: website stats analysis Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to hear from people who are responsible for analyzing their website statistics. In using WebTrends, I find very little useful information other than the information provided for "visitors." Those numbers tells me how many unique IP addresses hit our site during each month and how many of those are repeat visitors in each monthly reporting period. I can't, however, see the value in the numbers for "page views," "visits," and "hits," mostly because there is no way to eliminate staff and public computers. And anyway, what is a "visit?" WebTrends says it's all activity for one user. So when "average visits per day" is 300, what does that mean??? Please tell me about the website analysis products you use and what useful numbers you glean. Best, Michele Hampshire Web Librarian: Mill Valley Public Library Marin County, California http://millvalleylibrary.org 415-389-4292 x107 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Aug 6 13:56:29 2004 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites References: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A996BA71@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: <4113C64D.BB31388@tln.lib.mi.us> Benjamin, I would second the points made here that the way to address the behavior problem is to: 1) Have a policy about use and enforce it, including banning those who are damaging the computers when they get caught. 2) Set time limits on use if the problem is limited resources and too much demand. As far as the kind of use, blocking or even threatening to block certain kinds of traffic will likely cause more trouble than it is worth. While it is understandable that the person wanting to work on their resume or do "serious" research is going to be annoyed if they see a bunch of kids playing games online, you really don't want to get into the role of judging the quality of peoples time on the computer. Our attitude is "your time on the computer is your time to do whatever you see fit, so long as it is legal and consistent with our policies". We don't bump people from the easy chairs who are reading Danielle Steel to make room for the person who wants to read David McCullough. If you don't have enough computers to meet the demand, limit the time that people can spend on the computers. Then you can guarantee the patrons that something will be available shortly. Plus, from what I've seen here on our Internet computers, adults play the online games just as much as the kids. They just prefer the card games and crosswords while the kids prefer something with more sound and action. One thing I would caution against is trying to do too much segregation by use. We do have 3 computers just for database access and CD-ROM use and 3 just for Word Processing. In a typical month, our usage stats in our Adult area look something like this: Internet (10 computers): In use 85% of the available hours Word Processing (3 computers): In use 15% of the available hours Database/CD-ROM (3 computers): In use 6% of the available hours As you can see, that's a ton of computer time being wasted on the database computers to ensure that those resources are always available for our patrons to use. It's something we'll have to revisit because while it is based on good intentions, the end results just don't seem to justify the restrictions. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Benjamin Sprague wrote: > Michael, > > I agree with you in that we don't want to punish all of the kids who use > our library because of a handful of problem patrons. However, when none > of the patrons in question are willing to tell us who caused the damage, > it's hard to pinpoint one person and ban them from Internet use without > any actual evidence. That's why I think that a mild threat of their > games getting banned would be enough to reduce the amount of trouble > we've had considerably. We do have a computerized sign-up system for > our public computers, along with enforced time limits, but at the moment > there is no way to prevent them from using someone else's card to go > online or circumvent those time limits. > > We're a fairly small public library to begin with (only 7 public > Internet stations), but recently we have seen over 350 patrons use our > computers in one week. It's frustrating when a patron comes in and > realizes that the reason they can't get on a computer to get their work > done is because a bunch of kids are playing games instead of enjoying > the nice weather :) > > On a side note, a computer / Internet cafe opened in our town recently, > and was in business for only a few weeks. Apparently, people weren't > willing to pay for something they could get at the library for free ;) > > Benjamin D. Sprague > ---------------------- > Circulation Supervisor / > Technology Services > Ripon Public Library > website: http://www.riponlibrary.org > email: sprague@riponlibrary.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Sauers [mailto:msauers@bcr.org] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:48 AM > To: Sprague@riponlibrary.org; 'Multiple recipients of list' > Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites > > [...] > > The kids are causing trouble. Ban their behavior, which I'm sure you've > already done, and/or ban the children from the computers and/or library > as a > punishment for the behavior. Don't punish all the kids by banning games > since some of them are misbehaving. > > [...] From DavidKing at kclibrary.org Fri Aug 6 14:20:16 2004 From: DavidKing at kclibrary.org (David King) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] website stats analysis Message-ID: > I can't, however, see the value in the numbers for "page views," > "visits," and "hits," mostly because there is no way to eliminate > staff and public computers. And anyway, what is a "visit?" > WebTrends says it's all activity for one user. So when "average > visits per day" is 300, what does that mean??? Average visits isn't too useful, unless you're seeing if web use is going up or down. The useful part of visits/page views is to find the 10-25 most popular pages on your website. We report that type of statistic every month. It helps us see what's being used, what people want more of, and what we want to see used (but isn't being used). The big total page views/visits per month is something else we report. Some web stats software also show what keywords search engines used to find your site - that can be useful, too. > "there is no way to eliminate staff and public computers" Yes, there is - in the admin side of the product (well, Live Stats and SmarterStats both do this anyway. WebTrends should, too). You do it by IP address - basically you have to tell it to not look at certain IPs or ranges of IPs. David King Kansas City Public Library 816-701-3400, ext. 2503 davidking@kclibrary.org From jimm at wingate.edu Fri Aug 6 14:31:54 2004 From: jimm at wingate.edu (Jimm Wetherbee) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] website stats analysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040806143257.SM00334@inceptor> Michele, Hello, I'd like to hear from people who are responsible for analyzing their website statistics. [->] Have never used a separate tool (though I sometime wish I had one) bu have importing my logs into MS Access and using queries for the analysis. In using WebTrends, I find very little useful information other than the information provided for "visitors." I can't, however, see the value in the numbers for "page views," "visits," and "hits," mostly because there is no way to eliminate staff and public computers. And anyway, what is a "visit?" WebTrends says it's all activity for one user. So when "average visits per day" is 300, what does that mean??? [->] I have a range of IP address that I know are local and run a query that returns all local hits. There are some limits to this. Prior to any analysis, I remove all entries aside from 50x and 20x for pages. Since the number of local machine is restricted, they often hit the same pages so the number of 304 entries (which I delete) would be disproportionably high. I loose some valid activity. [->] Still, what you could do is create a query that pulls out all local hits and then exclude those hits within a query that would look at hits for a given page or directory. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From med at ascsa.org Fri Aug 6 14:48:59 2004 From: med at ascsa.org (Mary E. Darlington) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: Position Advertisement Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040806144649.0265bcf8@66.149.164.122> Position Available: Head Librarian in Athens, Greece The American School of Classical Studies at Athens invites applications and nominations for the position of Head Librarian of the Carl W. Blegen Library, a research library for classics and archaeology of the Greek world located in Athens, Greece. 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Darlington Executive Assistant American School of Classical Studies at Athens 6-8 Charlton St., Princeton, NJ 08540 Phone: 609-683-0800 Fax: 609-924-0578 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Fri Aug 6 15:00:21 2004 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: website stats analysis Message-ID: Actually, differentiating by IP address depends on your institution's network configuration. At our institution, all computers are assigned dynamic IP addresses whenever a user "logs on" to the Internet. While many of the IP address ranges are grouped geographically, in the physical library itself, the client and staff computers are not separated. We have, therefore, been unable, so far, to remove staff-use data from our logs. I must question, however, the value of removing such data, because many of our staff are working either with or for clients, either directly or indirectly. Furthermore, shouldn't the staff be considered clients, as well? Are they any more likely to browse out-of-scope sites than students, faculty or other staff? Karen R. Harker >>> "David King" 8/6/2004 1:22:47 PM >>> <> > "there is no way to eliminate staff and public computers" Yes, there is - in the admin side of the product (well, Live Stats and SmarterStats both do this anyway. WebTrends should, too). You do it by IP address - basically you have to tell it to not look at certain IPs or ranges of IPs. David King Kansas City Public Library 816-701-3400, ext. 2503 davidking@kclibrary.org Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-8946 http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/library/ From randy.norwood at ttu.edu Fri Aug 6 15:11:13 2004 From: randy.norwood at ttu.edu (Norwood, Randy) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: website stats analysis Message-ID: <55CA02C1ECF1CB40B2A0AF7B32F0DFDD12F0FE9B@BRONTES.net.ttu.edu> I load my access logs into a MySQL database, partly for the reasons you mention (more flexibility). I wrote a Perl script that parses and loads the logs. The questions you raise about the value of visitors, and how those are determined, are somewhat complex, and are discussed in detail on various websites (including webtrends/netiq). I think there is a lot of value in the number of visits or "sessions". The log analysis tools such as webtrends use various algorithms and assumptions to reconstruct the path an user takes through the site during a session. These techniques would be dfficult to replicate or improve on your own, and there wouldn't be much point, since the analysis tools already do this about as well as it can be done. I can see what you're saying about summaries for visits obscuring the internal vs external user ratio. You could prefilter your logs (using Perl or SQL) into a public/staff log and everyone else, and then run Webtrends on each indivudually. This assumes your campus network's IP address blocks are assigned by building or some other small unit. If everyone on campus uses DHCP and shares a common pool of IPs, the best you might be able to do is on- vs off-campus. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Norwood Web Manager Texas Tech University Libraries Office: 806-742-2238 x318 Fax: 806-742-8669 E-mail: randy.norwood@ttu.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jimm Wetherbee Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: website stats analysis Michele, Hello, I'd like to hear from people who are responsible for analyzing their website statistics. [->] Have never used a separate tool (though I sometime wish I had one) bu have importing my logs into MS Access and using queries for the analysis. In using WebTrends, I find very little useful information other than the information provided for "visitors." I can't, however, see the value in the numbers for "page views," "visits," and "hits," mostly because there is no way to eliminate staff and public computers. And anyway, what is a "visit?" WebTrends says it's all activity for one user. So when "average visits per day" is 300, what does that mean??? [->] I have a range of IP address that I know are local and run a query that returns all local hits. There are some limits to this. Prior to any analysis, I remove all entries aside from 50x and 20x for pages. Since the number of local machine is restricted, they often hit the same pages so the number of 304 entries (which I delete) would be disproportionably high. I loose some valid activity. [->] Still, what you could do is create a query that pulls out all local hits and then exclude those hits within a query that would look at hits for a given page or directory. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rsullivan at sals.edu Fri Aug 6 15:47:37 2004 From: rsullivan at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: website stats analysis References: Message-ID: <006301c47bee$3a9b0f90$3e01040a@sals.edu> > Actually, differentiating by IP address depends on your institution's > network configuration. At our institution, all computers are assigned > dynamic IP addresses whenever a user "logs on" to the Internet. While > many of the IP address ranges are grouped geographically, in the > physical library itself, the client and staff computers are not > separated. We have, therefore, been unable, so far, to remove staff-use > data from our logs. > > I must question, however, the value of removing such data, because many > of our staff are working either with or for clients, either directly or > indirectly. Furthermore, shouldn't the staff be considered clients, as > well? Are they any more likely to browse out-of-scope sites than > students, faculty or other staff? That's been my philosophy too. I read my Web site logs into a Visual FoxPro database and remove any hits from a long list of robots and spiders, then I look for anomalous use patterns which suggest the same. After some careful pruning (I'd say about 70-80% of our log entries are extraneous) eventually we end up with a fairly accurate count of page views. I prefer grouping them into categories rather than worrying about specific pages; it seems to give me a better sense of what our visitors are using. I don't try for an actual count of Web site visitors because I'm more interested in what's used than in who's using it. On the other hand, for our database subscriptions sometimes "visitors/users/sessions" and perhaps "searches" may be the only useful count you can get from the database vendors, especially if you're trying to compare very different kinds of services. A hit count is essentially useless IMHO in that situation. What you really want to know is how many people used that subscription for which you paid $x thousand. Your mileage may vary. Bob Sullivan Schenectady County Public Library (NY) Schenectady Digital History Archive From drweb at san.rr.com Fri Aug 6 20:42:45 2004 From: drweb at san.rr.com (Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites In-Reply-To: <20040806152243.05508C140B7@mail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200408070042.i770gg6j003654@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> Asking the board, what does this thread have to do with Library Web? I enjoy reading it, but isn't it the kind of thing that should be on PUBLIB or elsewhere? Best, Michael -- P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb mailto:drweb@san.rr.com San Diego, CA http://drweb.typepad.com/ Quote of the Moment: A man who fishes for marlin in ponds will put his money in Etruscan bonds. Friday, August 06, 2004 5:39:30 PM >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider >Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:29 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online >gaming sites From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Aug 7 13:13:49 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming sites In-Reply-To: <200408070042.i770gg6j003654@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040807171355.E7942C141F0@mail.messagingengine.com> > Asking the board, what does this thread have to do with Library Web? > I enjoy reading it, but isn't it the kind of thing that should be on > PUBLIB > or elsewhere? The Board discussed this thread and agreed that it was completely on topic. The use of the Web for library computers could be said to be an archetypal Web4Lib topic. It would not be *off* topic for PUBLIB, PUBYAC, or any number of lists, but it's kosher for Web4Lib. Karen G. Schneider, Web4Lib Advisory Board Member From hogue_m at lib.chattanooga.gov Tue Aug 10 09:48:31 2004 From: hogue_m at lib.chattanooga.gov (Hogue Melanie) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming Message-ID: <64F655B6B420D94BB20B84E6E61AAD36083E30@Martinique.chattanoogatn.gov> When we decided to block games and chat in our public library, we waited to see if there would be a censorship problem. There wasn't. It was presented as an allocation of resources problem related to the keeping of a written Internet Policy. Also, the problem of persons trying to use other people's library accounts to abuse the time limits has been successfully handled by using Karen's idea of identity theft. We had one young man who was bringing in groups of different girls every day and showing them how to set up accounts on the dating bulletin boards. He was logging on using his own and another woman's account. We called her and found out that he did not have permission to be using it, so we were able to ban him from the library for a year for identity theft. Our policy states that anyone who gives false information to obtain library services use can be denied. Needless to say we were also worried about his activities with the women; but it was not our business to investigate. When we notice someone on the computers for an unusually long period of time, we check the history to see if they are using two numbers. When this is the case, we explain that allowing them to have more time than others violates the spirit of the rules. We suggest that if they were the patron waiting (and we do have people waiting at times) they would want fair access. QUESTION: Regarding segregation by use, we are considering removal of Internet access from our computers that have word processing capabilities because we have patrons who would occupy these machines for surfing when there are people waiting to type resumes, etc. Does anyone have a story about the success or failure of this policy? I'm thinking that there are patrons who need Internet access to compile information for a letter or paper they are typing. Melanie Amy Hogue, Librarian I Business, Science & Technology Chattanooga-Hamilton County Bicentennial Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Louise Alcorn Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming >>> Andrew Mutch 08/06/04 01:03PM >>> > If you don't have enough computers to meet the demand, >limit the time that people can spend on the computers. Benjamin, it sounds like you're already doing this with a time management tool, but that the kids are using someone else's library card to sign on, is that right? Does your policy have a 'maximum hours/week' for *any* user? You could ratchet this down (which would be too bad for the resume-writer who needs the time) so the kids are limited more. Again, this is punishing the innocent as well as the guilty, which is difficult. I agree with everyone who has said this is a behavior issue, and technological solutions to behavior are limited. I know our IT dept has locked out (we have a Win2000 network) any streaming audio or video, which ticks off adults more than kids. We can have them release this if it's for an online class or whatever. Unfortunately, I believe most of the online gaming sites are Flash and Java, so that's hard to block without blocking most legitimate sites today. >One thing I would caution against is trying to do too much segregation by >use. We do have 3 computers just for database access and CD-ROM use and 3 >just for Word Processing. I have to reiterate what Andrew said about this. Esp. as you're in a smaller library with limited stations as it is. We have two Word/Office-only machines, which I'm glad we have, but the rest are either Net only or Net+Office. They're in nearly constant use. *However* we also have one station that we can pre-book. We offer this option in part because it's a holdover from when we only had 5 PC's (1 pre-booked, 4 walk-in). But we use this when the stations are very full and we have someone who *needs* to get on. The prebook station has a sign saying that any patron can sit down and use it, but may be asked to leave if we have a booking. If someone comes in and we're packed, I ask them if they can wait until the next 1/2 hour interval. I take their name and book them for it, then give the current sitter a 5 or 10 minute warning. We rarely have to use this. I know you have a time mgt system, but most of them can be adjusted to accomodate this sort of arrangement, whe! re you have one station with a more rigid schedule, controlled by staff. In re: Andrew's problem with the CD/database computers, we had this problem for a while. When we upgraded our system last time, I did away with all but the Word-only machines, but chose to have this pre-book station idea which could be controlled more closely by staff to allow us to accomodate special needs. I hope some of this helps you, Benjamin. Best of luck! Louise =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Louise E. Alcorn -- Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdm.lib.ia.us From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Aug 10 10:13:55 2004 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming References: <64F655B6B420D94BB20B84E6E61AAD36083E30@Martinique.chattanoogatn.gov> Message-ID: <4118D823.2AAC3C38@tln.lib.mi.us> Melanie, As I noted in a previous post, we've found that having these computers segregated for just word processing use results in very low levels of use compared to our Internet computers. On the other hand, we've had dedicated word processing computers for years so our patrons do have an expectation that these computers will be available for that use. Many of our patrons working on resumes and other "word processing" projects do want and need Internet access. The way that we handled this was by adding Word to all of our Internet computers. This allows them to work on their resume and have Internet access at the same time. The patrons who want this access do have to wait their turn for our Internet computers which sometimes means they have to wait for a computer to open up. Also, sometimes they need more time than the volumes of traffic will allow on our Internet computers. In those cases, we encourage them to do their work on the word processing computers until they reach the point they actually need Internet access. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Hogue Melanie wrote: > When we decided to block games and chat in our public library, we waited to > see if there would be a censorship problem. There wasn't. It was presented > as an allocation of resources problem related to the keeping of a written > Internet Policy. > > Also, the problem of persons trying to use other people's library accounts > to abuse the time limits has been successfully handled by using Karen's idea > of identity theft. We had one young man who was bringing in groups of > different girls every day and showing them how to set up accounts on the > dating bulletin boards. He was logging on using his own and another woman's > account. We called her and found out that he did not have permission to be > using it, so we were able to ban him from the library for a year for > identity theft. Our policy states that anyone who gives false information to > obtain library services use can be denied. Needless to say we were also > worried about his activities with the women; but it was not our business to > investigate. > > When we notice someone on the computers for an unusually long period of > time, we check the history to see if they are using two numbers. When this > is the case, we explain that allowing them to have more time than others > violates the spirit of the rules. We suggest that if they were the patron > waiting (and we do have people waiting at times) they would want fair > access. > > QUESTION: Regarding segregation by use, we are considering removal of > Internet access from our computers that have word processing capabilities > because we have patrons who would occupy these machines for surfing when > there are people waiting to type resumes, etc. Does anyone have a story > about the success or failure of this policy? I'm thinking that there are > patrons who need Internet access to compile information for a letter or > paper they are typing. > > Melanie Amy Hogue, Librarian I > Business, Science & Technology > Chattanooga-Hamilton County Bicentennial Library > From suekamm at mindspring.com Tue Aug 10 10:51:42 2004 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming References: <64F655B6B420D94BB20B84E6E61AAD36083E30@Martinique.chattanoogatn.gov> Message-ID: <4118E0FE.5020302@mindspring.com> Hogue Melanie wrote: > > QUESTION: Regarding segregation by use, we are considering removal of > Internet access from our computers that have word processing capabilities > because we have patrons who would occupy these machines for surfing when > there are people waiting to type resumes, etc. Does anyone have a story > about the success or failure of this policy? I'm thinking that there are > patrons who need Internet access to compile information for a letter or > paper they are typing. Do you have access to a techie? There's a way to set up workstations so a user can access certain websites - the library's OPAC, fee-based databases the library subscribes to. Such workstations could probably suppor MS Office without providing entrance to the entire net. -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-Large, Sue Kamm Los Angeles/Inglewood, CA Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers, 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my homepage: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "What I wonder is, where are all the guys who like to play baseball?" --Wes Parker, former Dodger infielder From gerrymck at iastate.edu Tue Aug 10 11:52:06 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: Use of Blogs in Instruction? | Student-Recommended Web Resources Guide(s)? Message-ID: Colleagues/ The coming Fall semester, I will be collaborating with a faculty member for a Semester Project assignment. For the project, several groups of ten students (or so) from a graduate class _and_ an undergraduate class in _different_ mechanical engineering courses, will be required to address and propose reasonable solutions for a real world issue. In addition to a WebCT component for reach class, I've proposed the use of a Blog to facilitate communication and documentation among the various project participants, as the two classes will not formally meet. In addition to a proposed Blog, I am considering the creation of a Web Guide of relevant Web resources that have been identified and recommended by the *students* (not The Librarian (Me) {:-)). The philosophy of this approach is that as part of their training in proposing solutions to areal-world problem, students should Think Creatively and Think Critically about The Issue at Hand. Within this framework, the role of the Librarian and Instructor is to provide guidance to the students in assessing the quality/credibility/authenticity (not to prepare The Compilation of The Ten Sites] I' d very much appreciate learning of Any and All instructional activities that have employed Blogs in information literacy initiatives in engineering/science/technology (or other disciplines) AND I would also appreciate learning of examples of Student-Recommended Web Resource Guides that have been Aided and Abetted by librarians, but not Controlled primarily by The Librarian {;-) Thanks in Advance! Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian and Bibliographer for Mechanical Engineering Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From drobinson at hwwilson.com Tue Aug 10 13:37:23 2004 From: drobinson at hwwilson.com (Dan Robinson) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, 2005: "Whose Mind is it anyway?" Message-ID: <0DBB337BAB6ABA4F8F7772585216794FCDEE00@HWWEXCH.hwwilson.com> The 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, "Whose Mind is it Anyway? Identifying and Meeting Diverse User Needs in the Ongoing Battle for Mindshare," is scheduled for February 27 - March 1, 2005 at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Philadelphia, PA. If you are an information provider seeking to expand mindshare within a given user group or across user groups, or an information professional seeking to more effectively meet the needs of your clientele, this is one conference you will not want to miss! Building upon the theme of the highly successful 2004 NFAIS conference, the three day meeting will examine the differences and commonalities in the search and retrieval requirements of information professionals/librarians and desktop searchers. It will not only look at how those diverse requirements impact the use, perception and purchase of traditional information products and services across market sectors and subject disciplines, but also how traditional information providers - publishers, libraries, database producers and technology companies - can fulfill the needs and expectations of the expanding universe of desktop searchers through a more seamless integration into the user's daily workflow process. The program is being finalized, and a press release describing the conference, along with registration, hotel, and local information can be accessed here: Keep informed by visiting the NFAIS Web Site for new developments with regard to the 2005 Annual Conference or contact Jill O'Neill, NFAIS Director of Communication and Planning, at jilloneill@nfais.org or (215)-893-1561. From rcarlson at ala.org Tue Aug 10 14:27:12 2004 From: rcarlson at ala.org (Rob Carlson) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: LITA Forum, October 7 - 10, St. Louis, MO Message-ID: (widely cross-posted; apologies in advance for duplicates) Register before August 31 to receive $50.00 off the regular registration rate for the 2004 LITA National Forum, which will be held in the Sheraton West Port Lakeside Chalet in St. Louis, Missouri, October 7 - 10. Three exciting keynote speakers will anchor the Forum. On Friday, October 8, Robert Rydell, professor of history at Montana State University-Bozeman and expert on world's fairs, will present "Globalization and Its Discontents: A Preview from 1904." The centennial of the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair provides an opportunity to reflect on the meaning of globalization a century ago and on what has changed and what has remained the same. On Saturday, October 9, Susan Dumais, Senior Researcher, Adaptive Systems and Interaction Group, Microsoft Research, will present "Stuff I've Seen: Personal Information Management and Use." Stuff I've Seen (SIS) facilitates information re-use by providing a unified index to information that a person has seen, regardless of whether the information was seen as an email, appointment, web page, document, hand-written note, etc. Because the information has been seen before, rich contextual cues and visualizations can be used to present search results. The 2004 Forum will wrap up on Sunday, October 10, with Clifford Lynch, Executive Director, Coalition for Networked Information, providing his illuminating observations on the Forum theme and the issues raised throughout the Forum's three days of keynote, concurrent, and poster sessions. Please visit http://www.lita/org/forum04 for more information and to register. From sms63 at drexel.edu Tue Aug 10 15:21:10 2004 From: sms63 at drexel.edu (sms63@drexel.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: Information Architecture Associations Message-ID: <1546d63154cb3f.154cb3f1546d63@drexel.edu> Hello, I am a dual library science and info science/information systems masters student who just started a position within my company as Information Architect. I am very interested in finding out about professional associations that are very good for Information Architecture. Can anyone discuss with me if there are any associations like this? I do belong to many already but was hoping to find some IA specific. Thank you! -Sandra Schock sms63@drexel.edu From John.Creech at cwu.EDU Tue Aug 10 15:41:04 2004 From: John.Creech at cwu.EDU (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Information Architecture Associations In-Reply-To: <1546d63154cb3f.154cb3f1546d63@drexel.edu> References: <1546d63154cb3f.154cb3f1546d63@drexel.edu> Message-ID: <20040810123856.F35652@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu> Sandra, You probably already have this one but AIFIA, the Asilomar Institute for Information Architecture, is the mother ship for some development folks: http://www.aifia.org/ John Creech, Electronic Resources and Systems Librarian Brooks Library, Central Washington University On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 sms63@drexel.edu wrote: > I am a dual library science and info science/information systems masters > student who just started a position within my company as Information > Architect. I am very interested in finding out about professional > associations that are very good for Information Architecture. Can > anyone discuss with me if there are any associations like this? I do > belong to many already but was hoping to find some IA specific. > > Thank you! > -Sandra Schock > sms63@drexel.edu > > From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Aug 10 17:42:35 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Future Message-ID: I'm joining this discussion of "The Future" a little late, but if you're interested in the future of library technology you might want to take a look at "The 2003 OCLC Environmental Scan: Pattern Recognition" report: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/default.htm Text available on the Web at: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/toc.htm (click on each section title to view the html versions) There's also a link to a Webcast of a related program that was held at ALA Orlando this summer: http://www.oclc.org/membership/escan/default.htm#launch Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Helfrich, Gair [mailto:GHelfrich@acmail.aclink.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] The Future Hello everyone, The collective wisdom of this group is needed! For the first time in many years we are working on our Master Plan. Naturally, one component of that plan is Technology and I've been asked to use a crystal ball and look ahead for the next 5 years. Right now we're short staffed and I'm having trouble keeping up with today, let alone anticipating what's coming in the next 5 years. That's probably true for many of us. :-) At any rate, if some of you who are on the cutting edge or have a clear crystal ball are willing to share some insights I'd very much appreciate it. What do you think is coming in technology in general and specifically in library technology. We've already got wireless on our radar--and have implemented in 2 branches so far--and are considering RFID. You can reply to the list or to me personally and I'll summarize the answers for the list. Thanks in advance, Gair Helfrich __________ Gair Helfrich Network Services & Computer Services Manager Atlantic County Library 40 Farragut Avenue Mays Landing, NJ 08330 609-625-2776 ext. 6313 Fax: 609-625-8143 ghelfrich@acmail.aclink.org From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Aug 10 17:45:34 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, 2005: "Whose Mind is it anyway?" Message-ID: ..."the Ongoing Battle for Mindshare"? Sounds kinda Orwellian. :-) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Dan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, Feb 27-March 1, 2005: "Whose Mind is it anyway?" The 2005 NFAIS Annual Conference, "Whose Mind is it Anyway? Identifying and Meeting Diverse User Needs in the Ongoing Battle for Mindshare," is scheduled for February 27 - March 1, 2005 at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Philadelphia, PA. If you are an information provider seeking to expand mindshare within a given user group or across user groups, or an information professional seeking to more effectively meet the needs of your clientele, this is one conference you will not want to miss! Building upon the theme of the highly successful 2004 NFAIS conference, the three day meeting will examine the differences and commonalities in the search and retrieval requirements of information professionals/librarians and desktop searchers. It will not only look at how those diverse requirements impact the use, perception and purchase of traditional information products and services across market sectors and subject disciplines, but also how traditional information providers - publishers, libraries, database producers and technology companies - can fulfill the needs and expectations of the expanding universe of desktop searchers through a more seamless integration into the user's daily workflow process. The program is being finalized, and a press release describing the conference, along with registration, hotel, and local information can be accessed here: Keep informed by visiting the NFAIS Web Site for new developments with regard to the 2005 Annual Conference or contact Jill O'Neill, NFAIS Director of Communication and Planning, at jilloneill@nfais.org or (215)-893-1561. From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Tue Aug 10 18:07:44 2004 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: Exchange Server and Webmail Message-ID: <41194730.2050201@thecommunitylibrary.org> Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not being able to access their web based email accounts at their corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their requirements for web access. I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is an easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would like to do so. Any advice or tips will be appreciated. Thanks, Chris -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org From bardsley at u.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 18:20:52 2004 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (bardsley@u.washington.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: Exchange Server and Webmail In-Reply-To: <41194730.2050201@thecommunitylibrary.org> Message-ID: Chris, I have accessed Exchange 2000 and Exchange 2003 web based email accounts from computers that do not have Outlook or Outlook Express installed. In fact I have accessed the accounts from Macintosh computers. Something else is going on. - Mark Bardsley On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Chris Murphy wrote: > Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not being > able to access their web based email accounts at their > corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface > appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. > > By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to > Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server > requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. > > Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses > Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their > requirements for web access. > > I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is an > easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would like to do so. > > Any advice or tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Christopher Murphy > Information Systems Manager > The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho > chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org > http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org > > From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Tue Aug 10 18:32:44 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC045C2FA3@mail.lib.msu.edu> We use Exhange Server here and sometimes I can't access our webmail from non-work computers. I do know that if that's the case, I usually need to include the workgroup name when login to our webmail. For example: Our workgroup at work is called LIB. So, when I want to login to my webmail, I will need to use "LIB/myloginname" (without the quotes) at the username field. Not sure if this actually solves your patron's problems, but it might work. Your patron just have to know their workgroup name at their organization. Hope this helps. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Murphy [mailto:chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail > > > Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not being > able to access their web based email accounts at their > corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface > appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. > > By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to > Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server > requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. > > Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses > Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their > requirements for web access. > > I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is an > easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would > like to do so. > > Any advice or tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Christopher Murphy > Information Systems Manager > The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho > chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org > http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org > > From bardsley at u.washington.edu Tue Aug 10 18:44:14 2004 From: bardsley at u.washington.edu (bardsley@u.washington.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail Message-ID: Ranti, That makes sense. By default, when I login to Exchange based web mail, I use the workgroup name (actually in my case it's a domain name). For example: User Name: domain\MyName Password: ******** Notice that the slash is a backslash instead of a forward slash. - Mark Bardsley ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Junus, Ranti" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail We use Exhange Server here and sometimes I can't access our webmail from non-work computers. I do know that if that's the case, I usually need to include the workgroup name when login to our webmail. For example: Our workgroup at work is called LIB. So, when I want to login to my webmail, I will need to use "LIB/myloginname" (without the quotes) at the username field. Not sure if this actually solves your patron's problems, but it might work. Your patron just have to know their workgroup name at their organization. Hope this helps. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Murphy [mailto:chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail > > > Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not being > able to access their web based email accounts at their > corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface > appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. > > By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to > Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server > requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. > > Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses > Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their > requirements for web access. > > I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is an > easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would > like to do so. > > Any advice or tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Christopher Murphy > Information Systems Manager > The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho > chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org > http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org > > From Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com Tue Aug 10 18:48:01 2004 From: Louise.Alcorn at wdm-ia.com (Louise Alcorn) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Patrons causing problems with online gaming Message-ID: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Louise E. Alcorn -- Reference Technology Librarian West Des Moines Public Library 4000 Mills Civic Pkwy West Des Moines IA 50265 (515) 222-3573 louise.alcorn@wdm-ia.com http://www.wdm.lib.ia.us>>> Hogue Melanie 08/10/04 08:51AM >>> QUESTION: Regarding segregation by use, we are considering removal of Internet access from our computers that have word processing capabilities Does anyone have a story about the success or failure of this policy? Melanie, I would not remove Net access from all word processing computers--our 'combination' stations are actually our most heavily used during the day. People like to work on their resumes as they search job sites, and revise and tailor their resumes based on job descriptions, then up load or copy and paste them into the job sites. It's hard to copy and paste w/out Word on the same station. Just my 2 cents. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Tue Aug 10 18:54:05 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC828@mail.lib.msu.edu> Mark, Thanks for the correction and clarification. Your explanation is simpler and easier to understand. ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: bardsley@u.washington.edu [mailto:bardsley@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:46 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail > > > Ranti, > > That makes sense. By default, when I login to Exchange based > web mail, I use the workgroup name (actually in my case it's > a domain name). For example: > > User Name: domain\MyName > Password: ******** > > Notice that the slash is a backslash instead of a forward slash. > > - Mark Bardsley > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:34:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Junus, Ranti" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail > > We use Exhange Server here and sometimes I can't access our > webmail from non-work computers. I do know that if that's > the case, I usually need to include the workgroup name when > login to our webmail. For example: > Our workgroup at work is called LIB. > So, when I want to login to my webmail, I will need to use > "LIB/myloginname" (without the quotes) at the username field. > > Not sure if this actually solves your patron's problems, but > it might work. Your patron just have to know their workgroup > name at their organization. > Hope this helps. > > ranti. > > -- > Ranti Junus - Systems > 100 Main Library W441 > Michigan State University > East Lansing, MI 48824, USA > +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 > +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Murphy [mailto:chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:11 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail > > > > > > Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations > report not being > > able to access their web based email accounts at their > > corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface > > appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. > > > > By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to > > Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server > > requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. > > > > Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses > > Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their > > requirements for web access. > > > > I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if > there is an > > easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would > > like to do so. > > > > Any advice or tips will be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > Christopher Murphy > > Information Systems Manager > > The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho > > chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org > > http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org > > > > > > > > > > From gengel at sonoma.lib.ca.us Tue Aug 10 18:54:12 2004 From: gengel at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Exchange Server and Webmail Message-ID: The only webmail access issue I've seen around here is when the webmail is on a nonstandard HTTPS port. On our wireless service we only allow HTTP to port 80 and HTTPS to port 443, but some patrons use a webmail address that immediately redirects from one of those ports to a different port. At that point the patron is unable to proceed. Do you limit which ports you allow traffic to? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Murphy [mailto:chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Exchange Server and Webmail > > > Occasionally, patrons on our public Internet stations report not being > able to access their web based email accounts at their > corporation/university/etc. In each case I've seen, the interface > appears to be with a Microsoft Exchange Server. > > By policy, our public Internet stations do not permit access to > Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express, and I am guessing the server > requires some form of Outlook be installed on the client computer. > > Is this correct? We don't use MS Outlook, and our mail server uses > Linux, so I am inexperienced with Exchange servers and their > requirements for web access. > > I see this problem only a handful of times per year, but if there is an > easy way to get around it without enabling Outlook, I would > like to do so. > > Any advice or tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- > Christopher Murphy > Information Systems Manager > The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho > chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org > http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org > > Genny Engel Internet Librarian Sonoma County Library gengel@sonoma.lib.ca.us 707 545-0831 x581 From pullibe at rcn.com Tue Aug 10 19:19:42 2004 From: pullibe at rcn.com (Beatrice Pulliam) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Information Architecture Associations In-Reply-To: <1546d63154cb3f.154cb3f1546d63@drexel.edu> Message-ID: <000101c47f30$8708b8b0$0200a8c0@pullibe> Sandra, If you're not currently a member of ASIST, I'd give them a look. Besides being an organization that's very welcoming to students, they have a pretty active IA SIG and discussion list. ASIST also holds an IA Summit annually. Beatrice R. Pulliam, M.S. Librarian-For-Hire From dmattison at shaw.ca Wed Aug 11 00:29:23 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Use of Blogs in Instruction? | Student-Recommended Web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: August 10, 2004 Use of blogs in higher education is a very big field. A couple of sites that I visit from time to time and recommend for resource mining are: Weblogg-ed: Using Weblogs and RSS in Education (http://www.weblogg-ed.com/). Clicking the Educator Weblogs link will take you to a long list by name of educators who use or maintain blogs. EBN: Educational Bloggers Network (http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/) Weblogs At Harvard Law (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/), co-edited by Dave Winer (Mr. RSS 2.0 and other distinctions) and Donna Wentworth, is also a fascinating glimpse into the integration of blogging into the teaching of law (at least that's what I think is supposed to be happening). Since I like to think wikis offer an effective alternative in some educational situations to the rather rigid blog format, take a look at http://edtech.coedit.net/EducationalWikiList for some ideas, as well as this refereed article on wikis and their applicability to distance education (http://www.irrodl.org/content/v5.1/technote_xxvii.html). Sincerely, David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca The Ten Thousand Year Blog http://www.davidmattison.ca/wordpress Tiki Wiki Hut http://www.davidmattison.ca/tiki From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Aug 12 07:46:26 2004 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: Latest Resource Listings from ResearchBuzz -- ( August 5 - August 11 ) Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040812074607.031e2c08@pop.mindspring.com> Following are links to resource writeups from the latest issue of ResearchBuzz ( August 5 - August 11 ). As always you may subscribe to the newsletter by visiting http://www.researchbuzz.com . Thanks, Tara tara@researchbuzz.com -- ** The Theodore Roosevelt Encyclopedia * ** Historical Exchange Rates * ** G-Metrics Measures Google Results Across Time * ** Baseball Cards at the Library of Congress * ** Yahoo Offers an Anti-Spy Solution * ** Category-Specific RSS Feeds at ResearchBuzz * ** National Archives are Going Digital? * ** Nextaris, Web-Searching Information-Sharing News-Tracking Application Thingie * ** Icerocket Search Engine Offers Searches by E-Mail * Also On the Site ---------------- * New Natural Language Search Engine: Kozoru * Nature Publishing Group Adds Bunch of RSS Feeds From michael.whang at wmich.edu Thu Aug 12 09:04:37 2004 From: michael.whang at wmich.edu (Michael Whang) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library lingo Message-ID: This is a follow-up to my post yesterday regarding the use of CSS, specifically the attribute, to provide users with contextual clues when mousing over a dubious term. It's a kinetic solution, but it also works very well for text-only browsers. ======================= The CSS is: abbr,acronym,.help { border-bottom: 1px dotted #333; cursor: help; } The HTML is

At MPL we provide a diverse and up-to-date collection of library materials and in a variety of formats. Listed below is just a taste of what's in store for you here at Manoa. So come in and visit us!

======================== Also referring to my original post, when you load the library web page, the second word (MPL), first paragraph, should be underlined with a dashed line and should read "Manoa Public Library". I use Firefox, Opera, IE v 6.0, and Netscape 7.02, and they all show the title="Manoa Public Library" attribute. http://www.state.hi.us/hsl/mpl/about/collection.htm --Michael Whang "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Ghandhi ======================== Michael Whang Head, Web and Internet Services Western Michigan University Libraries 1903 W. Michigan Ave. Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 p: 269-387-5184 e: michael.whang@wmich.edu ========================= >>> "Junus, Ranti" 8/11/2004 10:29:02 AM >>> A discussion in another mailing list got me to ask this question: Does anybody has a program reaching out to faculty, students, or general public to understand library lingo. You know, that OPAC (O-whaat?), Indexes (students I talked to think it's only refers to the back of a text book), Databases (Computer Science students scratched they heads because their understanding is about raw data, not articles), Journal (and they think it means "diary")... stuff like that. Yes, I am aware of the list created by John Kupersmith (http://www.jkup.net/terms.html), but is there anybody willing to share how they reach out to the people that probably never come to the library, yet use the web site quite frequently? thanks, ranti. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) From cjorgensen at creighton.edu Thu Aug 12 09:19:32 2004 From: cjorgensen at creighton.edu (Chris Jorgensen) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: Library lingo In-Reply-To: <200408121259.i7CCxqDj002250@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <000701c4806f$01136530$16b18693@blue.jays.creighton.edu> Ranti, We just redesigned our library website with the terminology limitations of users in mind. We started by creating some personas (undergraduate student, graduate students, faculty member), and trying to think of what terms are meaningful to them. Our undergraduate student was our primary persona, and hence we ended up with the Find Books, Find Articles set up for our research resources. In our usability tests, even users who had never used the library's web page before seemed to understand the Find Books, Find Articles sections, which is what most students use our website for. Here's what it looks like: http://reinert.creighton.edu I should give props to the University of British Columbia Library website (http://www.library.ubc.ca/) that inspired our design. Also, there was some concern among my Web Team that the faculty wouldn't be happy with the "dumbing down" of the library website, but I read somewhere (I'm sorry--I read so much on usability during this I can't be sure where--it could be Steve Krug's "Don't Make Me Think") that users don't get upset if something is too easy to use, and that made a lot of sense. Hope this is informative, Chris Jorgensen Reference/Web Services Librarian Reinert/Alumni Memorial Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha, NE 68178 voice: 402.280.1757 fax: 402.280.2435 email: cjorgensen@creighton.edu From James_Capobianco at emerson.edu Thu Aug 12 09:42:16 2004 From: James_Capobianco at emerson.edu (James Capobianco) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library lingo Message-ID: <926B4A8D55661047B1353EC03E69CE2D04C6FBC9@mail.emerson.edu> The only slight drawback to this is that Opera (at least version 7.21) puts "Title:" in front of the title, so it doesn't look quite as good as the others. James James Capobianco Coordinator of Web Development and Reference Librarian Emerson College Library 120 Boylston Street, 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02116-4624 617.824.8332 james_capobianco@emerson.edu -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Michael Whang Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library lingo This is a follow-up to my post yesterday regarding the use of CSS, specifically the attribute, to provide users with contextual clues when mousing over a dubious term. It's a kinetic solution, but it also works very well for text-only browsers. ======================= The CSS is: abbr,acronym,.help { border-bottom: 1px dotted #333; cursor: help; } The HTML is

At MPL we provide a diverse and up-to-date collection of library materials and in a variety of formats. Listed below is just a taste of what's in store for you here at Manoa. So come in and visit us!

======================== Also referring to my original post, when you load the library web page, the second word (MPL), first paragraph, should be underlined with a dashed line and should read "Manoa Public Library". I use Firefox, Opera, IE v 6.0, and Netscape 7.02, and they all show the title="Manoa Public Library" attribute. http://www.state.hi.us/hsl/mpl/about/collection.htm --Michael Whang "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Ghandhi ======================== Michael Whang Head, Web and Internet Services Western Michigan University Libraries 1903 W. Michigan Ave. Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 p: 269-387-5184 e: michael.whang@wmich.edu ========================= From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Aug 12 11:10:31 2004 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: New search engine under development Message-ID: A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to develop a new kind of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful information in the form of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing this out. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From lbell927 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 12:11:23 2004 From: lbell927 at yahoo.com (Lori Bell) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: Web-based programming events for librarians and patrons Message-ID: <20040812161123.28789.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> OPAL (Online Programming for All Libraries) - http://www.opal-online.org presents August online programs! To attend any event, go to the OPAL Online auditorium at http://www.tcconference.com/lib/?auditorium&nopass_field=1 type your name and click enter and you will be in the room! If you have questions or problems, please contact Tom Peters at tapinformation@yahoo.com · Tuesday, August 24, 2004 beginning at 10:00 a.m. Central Daylight Time, 11:00 Eastern, 9:00 Mountain, and 8:00 Pacific: KLAS Online Catalog Training Would you like some training on how to use the Illinois KLAS OPAC so that you can search for and order your own books over the Internet? The Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center is offering this session for talking book readers. All you need to participate are an Internet connection, sound card, and speakers. If you have a PC microphone, you can interact via audio, but it is not required. We will tape the session and put it on the web later so if you cannot attend but are interested in the instruction, you can listen. Please email Lori Bell at lbell@alliancelibrarysystem.com if you are interested in attending. · Tuesday, August 24, 2004 beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 1:00 p.m. Central, noon Mountain, and 11:00 a.m. Pacific: Armchair Traveler Get set to travel to far-flung locations and down-home sites at the click of a mouse. Join Library of Congress tour directors who will lead you in surfing the library's online collections and resources from Aruba to Zimbabwe and from Rutland, Vermont to Redding, California. All aboard! · Tuesday, August 24, 2004 beginning at 6:00 p.m. Central Daylight Time, 7:00 Eastern, 5:00 Mountain, and 4:00 Pacific: KLAS Online Catalog Training Would you like some training on how to use the Illinois KLAS OPAC so that you can search for and order your own books over the Internet? The Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center is offering this session for talking book readers. All you need to participate are an Internet connection, sound card, and speakers. If you have a PC microphone, you can interact via audio, but it is not required. We will tape the session and put it on the web later so if you cannot attend but are interested in the instruction, you can listen. Please email Lori Bell at lbell@alliancelibrarysystem.com if you are interested in attending. · Tuesday, August 24, 2004 beginning at 7:00 p.m. Central Daylight Time, 8:00 Eastern, 6:00 Mountain, and 5:00 Pacific: The Meting of the Minds Online Book Discussion Group will be discussing the novel My Antonia by Willa Cather. A lawyer recalls his Nebraska boyhood and the girl who was a strong influence on his life in this novel about pioneering conditions and the assimilation of the immigrant. (RC 13491 and BR 11320) (2 cassettes). For your information, various digital versions of the novel are available at Blackmask.com. An online version in HTML format also is available from the Willa Cather Pioneer Memorial in Red Cloud, Nebraska. A scholarly edition from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln is available online at http://cather.unl.edu/works/se/antonia/entire/index.htm · Thursday, August 26, 2004 from 3:00 to 4:00 Central Daylight Time: eBookWorm Online Discussion Group Our featured guest this month will be George Kerscher, Senior Officer for Accessible Information at Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic, Secretary General of the DAISY Consortium, Co-Chair of the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C, and Chairperson of the Open eBook Forum. · Friday, August 27, 2004 beginning at 10:00 a.m. Central Daylight Time, 11:00 Eastern, 9:00 Mountain, and 8:00 Pacific: KLAS Online Catalog Training Would you like some training on how to use the Illinois KLAS OPAC so that you can search for and order your own books over the Internet? The Mid-Illinois Talking Book Center is offering this session for talking book readers. All you need to participate are an Internet connection, sound card, and speakers. If you have a PC microphone, you can interact via audio, but it is not required. We will tape the session and put it on the web later so if you cannot attend but are interested in the instruction, you can listen. Please email Lori Bell at lbell@alliancelibrarysystem.com if you are interested in attending. · Tuesday, August 31, beginning at 8:00 Eastern Daylight Time, 7:00 Central, 6:00 Mountain, and 5:00 Pacific: Historical Fiction Book Talk with David Faucheux Interested in historic fiction? Do you like to take journeys back to the past? To visit strange and unusual cultures such as the Aztecs of Mexico or the Japanese under the shogun or even to the settling of South Africa or the world of the Byzantine Greeks? Please join us online to discuss your favorite historical fiction authors and books. Let us know what you like and why. An hour of fun book talk with avid reader David Faucheux, author of the audioblog Blind Chance. From michael.whang at wmich.edu Thu Aug 12 12:40:46 2004 From: michael.whang at wmich.edu (Michael Whang) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: New Search Tools under Development Message-ID: I thought that this might spark some interest for many on the list. Definitely something to look forward in this information retrieval (precision) world we live. News Article Title: Next-generation search tools to refine results http://news.com.com/Next-generation+search+tools+to+refine+results/2100-1025_3-5299239.html?part=rss&tag=5299239&subj=news.1025.20 Michael Whang "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... Learn as if you were to live forever." Mahatma Ghandhi ======================== Michael Whang Head, Web and Internet Services Western Michigan University Libraries 1903 W. Michigan Ave. Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 p: 269-387-5184 e: michael.whang@wmich.edu ========================= From KRAFTM at ccf.org Thu Aug 12 13:09:59 2004 From: KRAFTM at ccf.org (Kraft, Michelle) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Library lingo Message-ID: <889761334FF1E041AD13EF73BC76DE1A48AF78@CCHSCLEXMB55.cc.ad.cchs.net> Does anybody notice any confusion between "Find Articles" (representing Databases) and getting a full text article out of an online journal. Specifically are patrons going to the "Find Articles" link to look for a specific article in a full text journal? Many of our users already have the citation to an article and they just want to find the full text of that specific article. They go to our full text journals list on our web site to get the article full text. We too have noticed that the term "Databases" is foreign to a lot of users. However, I am afraid that if we change it from "Databases" to "Find Articles" that we will just be creating another problem. Those people who just want a specific article from the New England Journal of Medicine will be accidently guided to our list of databases to "find the article" and not realize that they should go to our list of online journals. Michelle ----------- Michelle Kraft Medical Librarian Cleveland Clinic Library Cleveland Clinic Foundation 9500 Euclid Ave Cleveland, OH 44195 kraftm@ccf.org -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Chris Jorgensen Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Library lingo Ranti, We just redesigned our library website with the terminology limitations of users in mind. We started by creating some personas (undergraduate student, graduate students, faculty member), and trying to think of what terms are meaningful to them. Our undergraduate student was our primary persona, and hence we ended up with the Find Books, Find Articles set up for our research resources. In our usability tests, even users who had never used the library's web page before seemed to understand the Find Books, Find Articles sections, which is what most students use our website for. Here's what it looks like: http://reinert.creighton.edu I should give props to the University of British Columbia Library website (http://www.library.ubc.ca/) that inspired our design. Also, there was some concern among my Web Team that the faculty wouldn't be happy with the "dumbing down" of the library website, but I read somewhere (I'm sorry--I read so much on usability during this I can't be sure where--it could be Steve Krug's "Don't Make Me Think") that users don't get upset if something is too easy to use, and that made a lot of sense. Hope this is informative, Chris Jorgensen Reference/Web Services Librarian Reinert/Alumni Memorial Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha, NE 68178 voice: 402.280.1757 fax: 402.280.2435 email: cjorgensen@creighton.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you. ------------ Visit us online at our award-winning www.clevelandclinic.org for a complete listing of Cleveland Clinic services, staff and locations from one of the country's leading hospitals. ============================================================================== From tzbarasc at lasierra.edu Thu Aug 12 13:14:24 2004 From: tzbarasc at lasierra.edu (Tony Zbaraschuk) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: Library lingo In-Reply-To: <200408121259.i7CCx3Dj002069@webjunction.org> References: <200408121259.i7CCx3Dj002069@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <2669.10.1.6.32.1092330864.squirrel@webmail.lasierra.edu> Ranti Junus wrote: > Does anybody has a program reaching out to faculty, students, or general > public to understand library lingo. You know, that OPAC (O-whaat?), > Indexes (students I talked to think it's only refers to the back of a text > book), Databases (Computer Science students scratched they heads because > their understanding is about raw data, not articles), Journal (and they > think it means "diary")... stuff like that. Yes, I am aware of the list > created by John Kupersmith (http://www.jkup.net/terms.html), but is there > anybody willing to share how they reach out to the people that probably > never come to the library, yet use the web site quite frequently? What I do is listen to what the users ask for when they come to the reference desk, and then use those terms prominently in the web page. Nothing beats staying in touch with your audience. Tony Zbaraschuk From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Aug 12 13:27:55 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library lingo In-Reply-To: <2669.10.1.6.32.1092330864.squirrel@webmail.lasierra.edu> Message-ID: <20040812172759.99729C145DF@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > What I do is listen to what the users ask for when they come to the > reference desk, and then use those terms prominently in the web page. > > Nothing beats staying in touch with your audience. That's a great point, though search logs can also be very helpful, and so can usability tests. One problem with going strictly by the language of their users is they may be using what they think is your lingo in order to communicate. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From cjorgensen at creighton.edu Thu Aug 12 13:28:02 2004 From: cjorgensen at creighton.edu (Chris Jorgensen) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: Library lingo (Find Articles) In-Reply-To: <889761334FF1E041AD13EF73BC76DE1A48AF78@CCHSCLEXMB55.cc.ad.cchs.net> Message-ID: <000501c48091$b82014e0$16b18693@blue.jays.creighton.edu> Hi Michelle, [Michelle wrote: "Does anybody notice any confusion between "Find Articles" (representing Databases) and getting a full text article out of an online journal. Specifically are patrons going to the "Find Articles" link to look for a specific article in a full text journal?"] That's why we have the options under Find Articles of "on a certain subject" or "in a certain journal/magazine." In our usability tests, this seemed to alleviate the confusion for users. We keep this distinction on our Find Articles subpage, too: http://reinert.creighton.edu/articles/articles.htm. Like I said, it seemed to make sense to people in our usability tests, but I can let you know how it goes after users use it "for real" this semester. Chris Chris Jorgensen Reference/Web Services Librarian Reinert/Alumni Memorial Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha, NE 68178 voice: 402.280.1757 fax: 402.280.2435 email: cjorgensen@creighton.edu From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Thu Aug 12 14:04:48 2004 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New Search Tools under Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092333888.15623.1486.camel@kc.kchome> >From the article: "For the cost of a house, you could have the Library of Congress," Reddy said, adding that mass book-scanning projects are currently under way in India and China. Ooooh, I just grit my teeth when I hear this. People don't WANT the Library of Congress. They don't WANT every book ever published. They WANT the one or two "good books" that meet their needs at that moment in time. It's a QUALITY issue, not a QUANTITY issue. OK, I feel better now. kc On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 09:42, Michael Whang wrote: > I thought that this might spark some interest for many on the list. > > Definitely something to look forward in this information retrieval > (precision) world we live. > > News Article > Title: Next-generation search tools to refine results > http://news.com.com/Next-generation+search+tools+to+refine+results/2100-1025_3-5299239.html?part=rss&tag=5299239&subj=news.1025.20 > > > Michael Whang > > > "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... > Learn as if you were to live forever." > Mahatma Ghandhi > > ======================== > Michael Whang > Head, Web and Internet Services > Western Michigan University Libraries > 1903 W. Michigan Ave. > Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 > p: 269-387-5184 > e: michael.whang@wmich.edu > ========================= -- ------------------------------------- Karen Coyle Digital Library Specialist http://www.kcoyle.net Ph: 510-540-7596 Fax: 510-848-3913 -------------------------------------- From rboulton at linc.lib.il.us Thu Aug 12 14:32:03 2004 From: rboulton at linc.lib.il.us (Robin Boulton) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development In-Reply-To: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B08813285553B88@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <217804199EDDEB4785397E1B088132854D8E06@scwin2k.scplnet.lib.il.us> I respectfully disagree, at least to this extent: At any given time, I only want the book or books that answer my needs, but I would *love* to have all of humanity's published material - or at least, the LC - available to me at any time. It's like stocking up the larder in anticipation of a long cold winter.... > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] > On Behalf Of Karen Coyle > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development > > >From the article: > "For the cost of a house, you could have the Library of Congress," > Reddy said, adding that mass book-scanning projects are currently under > way in India and China. > > > Ooooh, I just grit my teeth when I hear this. People don't WANT the > Library of Congress. They don't WANT every book ever published. They > WANT the one or two "good books" that meet their needs at that moment in > time. It's a QUALITY issue, not a QUANTITY issue. > > > OK, I feel better now. > > kc > > > On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 09:42, Michael Whang wrote: > > I thought that this might spark some interest for many on the list. > > > > Definitely something to look forward in this information retrieval > > (precision) world we live. > > > > News Article > > Title: Next-generation search tools to refine results > > http://news.com.com/Next-generation+search+tools+to+refine+results/2100- > 1025_3-5299239.html?part=rss&tag=5299239&subj=news.1025.20 > > > > > > Michael Whang > > > > > > "Live as if you were to die tomorrow... > > Learn as if you were to live forever." > > Mahatma Ghandhi > > > > ======================== > > Michael Whang > > Head, Web and Internet Services > > Western Michigan University Libraries > > 1903 W. Michigan Ave. > > Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5353 > > p: 269-387-5184 > > e: michael.whang@wmich.edu > > ========================= > -- > ------------------------------------- > Karen Coyle > Digital Library Specialist > http://www.kcoyle.net > Ph: 510-540-7596 Fax: 510-848-3913 > -------------------------------------- From gengel at sonoma.lib.ca.us Thu Aug 12 14:44:48 2004 From: gengel at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Genny Engel) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library lingo Message-ID: True, but the fact that they're able to adjust their terms to what they think you want to hear shows you the range of their flexibility. This range only extends so far. My favorite example right now on our site is "Library catalog." For one thing, most websites use "catalog" to mean an online shop or a place to order a printed catalog of things for sale. So this confuses some users right away. For another thing, although our patrons seem pretty flexible about whether "hold" or "request" or "reserve" is used to mean placing a hold request on an item, there's an unbridgeable gap for most of them between the concept of "reserve a book" functionality and the phrase "library catalog." Even if they know the catalog is the list of our holdings, they don't necessarily expect that to have anything to do with the book requesting feature. So the issue goes beyond terminology to how we cluster functionality within our systems. We've taken the step of separating the "My account" link from the "Library catalog" link, so at least people wanting to check their existing holds, renew books, etc. have an easier time of it. But there's still no separate link for "Reserve a book". In fact it'd be pretty difficult to provide one that made any sense given the way our ILS and OPAC work, but still, the lack of such a link throws some users. Genny Engel Internet Librarian Sonoma County Library gengel@sonoma.lib.ca.us 707 545-0831 x581 >>> "K.G. Schneider" 08/12/04 10:29AM >>> > What I do is listen to what the users ask for when they come to the > reference desk, and then use those terms prominently in the web page. > > Nothing beats staying in touch with your audience. That's a great point, though search logs can also be very helpful, and so can usability tests. One problem with going strictly by the language of their users is they may be using what they think is your lingo in order to communicate. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 12 14:49:49 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development In-Reply-To: <1092333888.15623.1486.camel@kc.kchome> References: <1092333888.15623.1486.camel@kc.kchome> Message-ID: <411BBBCD.4010309@ohiolink.edu> Karen Coyle wrote: >It's a QUALITY issue, not a QUANTITY issue. > > Indeed! When the problem is dealing with millions of search results, the solution can't just be to add another hundred million documents to search ("Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then do it a lot more!"). Gee, it's almost like the best solution would include things like classification systems, controlled vocabularies, and name authorities. But that's not as sexy as digitizing the entire Library of Congress. [Do the British wax so rhapsodic about digitising the entire British Library?] -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From michael.whang at wmich.edu Thu Aug 12 15:57:55 2004 From: michael.whang at wmich.edu (Michael Whang) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development Message-ID: LOL! (the doctor analogy is hilarious) I couldn't agree with you more. That just made my day :-> Michael Whang WMU Libraries >>> Thomas Dowling 8/12/2004 2:50:53 PM >>> Karen Coyle wrote: >It's a QUALITY issue, not a QUANTITY issue. > > Indeed! When the problem is dealing with millions of search results, the solution can't just be to add another hundred million documents to search ("Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then do it a lot more!"). Gee, it's almost like the best solution would include things like classification systems, controlled vocabularies, and name authorities. But that's not as sexy as digitizing the entire Library of Congress. [Do the British wax so rhapsodic about digitising the entire British Library?] -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From kcoyle at kcoyle.net Thu Aug 12 16:20:02 2004 From: kcoyle at kcoyle.net (Karen Coyle) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Search Tools under Development In-Reply-To: <411BBBCD.4010309@ohiolink.edu> References: <1092333888.15623.1486.camel@kc.kchome> <411BBBCD.4010309@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <1092342002.15623.1519.camel@kc.kchome> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 11:49, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > [Do the British wax so rhapsodic about digitising the entire British > Library?] Some do. I was confronted by one such at a computer conference where I was the only librarian (oh, and only woman) on a panel about the future of intellectual property. This fellow got up afterward, stated his credentials as a British computer scientist, and said that he had heard that the British Library had some large sum of money which they were using for something (which I don't remember) and HE thought they should instead use it to "digitise" the entire collection. When I replied that we hadn't yet figured out a good way to deliver book-length texts in a way that people wanted to read them, he said: "I have just one word for you. [pause] Google." At the time it seemed silly, but I suppose that he was essentially predicting Yahoo's "search inside the book." I tried talking to him afterward and there was no way to get him to contemplate that a search on "England History" in such a collection would not be useful. Not even when I reminded him that keyword searches do not go across different languages. Or different spellings (labor, labour). The desire on the part of some people to quantify problems is amazingly strong. He also had a rather elevated sense of his ability to do good research. He kept insisting that he could refine a search until he got just what he needed. I came away with the feeling that he'd probably missed a lot of good reading with his methodology, but to recognize that would be heresy. -- ------------------------------------- Karen Coyle Digital Library Specialist http://www.kcoyle.net Ph: 510-540-7596 Fax: 510-848-3913 -------------------------------------- From rch.library at rch.org.au Thu Aug 12 19:39:54 2004 From: rch.library at rch.org.au (Vicki Falkland) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New search engine under development In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040813093954.00be3700@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> this certainly sounds interesting. however, i think the person who designed their site has the largest monitor on earth. the logo is HUGE (in my browser it takes up 50% of the window!), and i had to scroll horizontally to read the text . they might be on to something with the technology, but their site made me wince. v. At 08:14 AM 12/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: >A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to develop a new kind >of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful information in the form >of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": > >http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html > >Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing this out. > >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO >University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting >616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 >Champaign, IL 61820 > >Phone: (217) 333-4895 >Fax: (217) 265-0454 >E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > From dmattison at shaw.ca Thu Aug 12 23:14:12 2004 From: dmattison at shaw.ca (D.H. Mattison) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New search engine under development In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can hear it now ... can you say Google in Japanese? Kozoru! David Mattison Victoria, BC, Canada dmattison@shaw.ca -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: August 12, 2004 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] New search engine under development A new startup company in the Kansas City area intends to develop a new kind of search engine, one that would provide "meaningful information in the form of answers" rather than "just a list of indexed web pages": http://www.kozoru.com/technology.html Thanks to Tom Peters of TAP Information Services for pointing this out. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant, ILCSO University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 616 E. Green Street, Suite 213 Champaign, IL 61820 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From gerrymck at iastate.edu Sat Aug 14 12:14:03 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:53 2005 Subject: Use of WIKIs by Libraries Message-ID: _Use of WIKIs by Libraries_ Colleagues/ I am greatly interested in the Use of WIKIs by Libraries for Any and All public or internal library services (e.g., public services, technical services, administrative services, collection development, instruction, etc.). As defined by the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), a WIKI is defined as: "A wiki (pronounced "wicky" or "weeky") is a website (or other hypertext document collection) that gives users the ability to add content, as on an Internet forum, but also allows that content to be edited by other users. The term can also refer to the collaborative software used to create such a website. Wiki (with a capital 'W') and WikiWikiWeb are sometimes used to refer to the Portland Pattern Repository, the first ever wiki. Proponents of this usage suggest using a lower-case 'w' to distinguish the generic terms discussed here. Wiki wiki comes from the Hawaiian term for 'quick' or 'super-fast'" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki). BTW: The Wikipedia is itself an outstanding example of a WIKI! Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Super-Fast Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From gerrymck at iastate.edu Sat Aug 14 14:24:09 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:53 2005 Subject: Use of WIKIs by Libraries. Part II Message-ID: Colleagues/ One of the Leaders of WikiWorld, Dave Mattison, has written an **Outstanding** article about WIKIs in _Searcher_ [11(4) (April 2003): 32-48] that is Well-Worth-The-Read and is available at [http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/apr03/mattison.shtml ] Thanks!, Dave! Enjoy! /Gerry >>> Gerry Mckiernan 8/14/2004 11:14:03 AM >>> _Use of WIKIs by Libraries_ Colleagues/ I am greatly interested in the Use of WIKIs by Libraries for Any and All public or internal library services (e.g., public services, technical services, administrative services, collection development, instruction, etc.). As defined by the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), a WIKI is defined as: "A wiki (pronounced "wicky" or "weeky") is a website (or other hypertext document collection) that gives users the ability to add content, as on an Internet forum, but also allows that content to be edited by other users. The term can also refer to the collaborative software used to create such a website. Wiki (with a capital 'W') and WikiWikiWeb are sometimes used to refer to the Portland Pattern Repository, the first ever wiki. Proponents of this usage suggest using a lower-case 'w' to distinguish the generic terms discussed here. Wiki wiki comes from the Hawaiian term for 'quick' or 'super-fast'" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki). BTW: The Wikipedia is itself an outstanding example of a WIKI! Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Super-Fast Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From calumet at mindspring.com Sat Aug 14 17:31:14 2004 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] alternative to NewsIsFree? In-Reply-To: <10F367471C15D511A5E30008C716EC1E0AE7B3AB@freexch03.dhcp.la mrc.com> References: <10F367471C15D511A5E30008C716EC1E0AE7B3AB@freexch03.dhcp.lamrc.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040814172741.02bd3ec0@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:34 PM 8/13/2004, Lebedeva, Natalia wrote: >Greetings, > > > >Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? With the >option of filtering news for certain topic and providing ready sources feeds >blocks - e.g. Tech News Holy cow, there are billions of them at this point. Topix, AllheadlineNews ( http://www.allheadlinenews.com/ ), Feedster... there are lots of sites that offer keyword-specific RSS feeds as well as ready source feeds. See my RSS category ( http://www.researchbuzz.org/archives/internettechnologyrss.shtml ) and my Publications-Search category ( http://www.researchbuzz.org/archives/publicationssearch.shtml ) for more pointers. (and of course there are also RSS feeds available for those two categories. :->) Tara From Candy.Holt at mso.umt.edu Sat Aug 14 22:52:53 2004 From: Candy.Holt at mso.umt.edu (Holt, Candy) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:53 2005 Subject: Position Vacancy Message-ID: <7ED54561DE5FE74CBA1A68037020A608043B08B0@message2.umt.edu> Please post the following announcement for a position vacancy on your list serv. Thank you. Candy Holt Associate Director for Administrative, Fiscal & Personnel Services Mansfield Library The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 406.243.4583 candy.holt@umontana.edu _____________ VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT Digital Projects Librarian (Tenure Track/Assistant Professor) The Maureen and Mike Mansfield Library of The University of Montana is located in Missoula , in the heart of the Northern Rockies and tremendous recreational opportunities. Missoula also serves as the region's cultural center and is home to a growing number of nationally recognized writers and other artists. Library collections exceed 1.4 million bound volumes, with access to almost 15,000 print and electronic journals, over 200,000 maps, a large media collection, and an Archives and Special Collections . The Mansfield Library has been a depository library for almost 100 years and a Regional Depository Library for almost 40 years. The library is open seven days a week for 98 hours during the academic semester and provides centralized services from an Information Center. Over 100 public workstations and wireless internet access throughout the building support the use of electronic information resources. The University of Montana has an enrollment of over 13,000 and provides a broad curriculum that strikes a balance between a strong liberal arts education and professional programs. The College of Arts and Sciences , the Graduate School , the College of Technology , and seven accredited professional schools - Business Administration , Education , Fine Arts , Forestry and Conservation , Journalism , Law , and Pharmacy and Allied Health Sciences - complete the University on the Missoula campus. Affiliated campuses include the College of Technology of The University of Montana, Helena ; Montana Tech of The University of Montana, Butte ; and The University of Montana Western, Dillon . The University of Montana seeks an entry-level user-oriented librarian to provide leadership in the implementation, coordination and management of library initiatives to develop, enhance, and deliver digital projects. This includes the development of a web-based interface to these collections and oversight of copyright issues. This position will work with the library's Technology & Network Services personnel and Web Site Coordinator and the university's Office of Information Technology to develop digital solutions to the university's information and scholarly communication needs. In collaboration with library and university faculty, this position will recommend acquisition and access to digital text collections and publications appropriate to research and teaching at The University of Montana; and will work collaboratively with colleagues on grants and other proposals related to digital initiatives for the library's special collections, including regional history, government documents, archives, and maps. As a Reference Librarian, the successful applicant will participate in all areas of general reference service as a member of the Reference Team. Some evening and weekend work will be required. The successful applicant will maintain liaison activities with assigned academic departments and work pro-actively to further integrate information literacy instruction into the curriculum, within the mission of the Library Instruction Program. Qualifications Required: ALA-accredited library Master's degree obtained within the past three years. Excellent interpersonal communication, presentation, and organization skills. Ability to work both independently and collegially. Commitment to user focused services. Knowledge of and recent experience with traditional and electronic reference sources. Ability to learn and to apply new technologies quickly. Ability to handle multiple responsibilities in a changing environment. Potential for achieving tenure and promotion. Preferred: Relevant experience in computer science, information systems, management information systems, education technology, or a related field. Familiarity with structured markup and scripting languages. Knowledge of metadata standards and best practices in digital projects. Rank and Salary Position is a 12-month, tenure-track appointment at the rank of Assistant Professor. The University of Montana offers a comprehensive benefits package including TIAA CREF. Candidates applying by September 13, 2004 will be given first consideration. To apply, please submit, as email attachments or by mail, a letter of application, a resume, and contact information (including email) for three professional references to: Administrative Services c/o Digital Projects Librarian Screening Committee Maureen and Mike Mansfield Library The University of Montana 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812-9936 phone: (406) 243-6800 fax: (406) 243-6864 email: jobs@weblib.lib.umt.edu This position announcement can be made available in alternative formats upon request. The University of Montana is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer and encourages applications from qualified women, minorities, Vietnam era veterans, and persons with disabilities. Positions eligible for veterans' preference in accordance with State law. From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Aug 14 23:17:27 2004 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (K.G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: alternative to NewsIsFree? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040814172741.02bd3ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20040815031725.46E03C148A7@frontend1.messagingengine.com> > >Would someone recommend news aggregators similar to the NewIsFree? With > the > >option of filtering news for certain topic and providing ready sources > feeds > >blocks - e.g. Tech News Also, this is not the same, but it is directed at a similar outcome: Bloglines offers Blog Search. You can search only within your own subscribed feeds, or within all feeds indexed by Bloglines. It's nice, and (so far) it's free. I do like roll-your-own feeds, though! Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From vrdconf at iis.syr.edu Wed Aug 18 11:37:33 2004 From: vrdconf at iis.syr.edu (VRD Conference) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: REMINDER - VRD Exemplary Services 2004 Award Message-ID: Deadline for Nominations Sept. 17, 2004 Each year the Virtual Reference Desk Project (VRD) recognizes libraries and organizations that provide high-quality digital reference service to their users. VRD is currently seeking nominations for the VRD Exemplary Services 2004 Award. Winners will be honored at the VRD 2004 Conference, during the Reception and Awards Ceremony on November 8, 2004 in Cincinnati. Award winners will be selected based on quality characteristics and features as outlined in the Facets of Quality for Digital Reference Services http://www.vrd.org/facets-06-03.shtml. Please nominate a digital reference service for the 2004 Exemplary Service Award using the form at http://www.vrd2004.org/exemplary_form.cfm If the service you are nominating requires a login, password, or any special requirements, such as providing a local zip code, please provide a guest or anonymous account information. For additional information on the services and individuals below, please see the individual VRD Conference Web sites for that specific year. 2003 " Library Lawline administered by the New England Law Library Consortium " Ask a Librarian - Enoch Pratt Free Library, Baltimore, MD Director's Award: Public Service Collections Directorate of the Library of Congress Student Paper: Henry Bankhead, San Jose State University 2002 " Ask a Librarian - Live! - St. Charles (IL) Public Library District " Ask Dr. Global Change - Global Change Research Organization " Ready for Reference - Alliance Library System (PA) " Ask Now - Metropolitan Cooperative Library System (administered by the California State Library) Director's Award: Susan McGlamery, 24/7 Reference Student Paper: Phillip M. Edwards, Graduate School of Information, University of Michigan 2001 " QandAcafe, Golden Gateway Library Network " Ask a Librarian, Houston (TX) Public Library " InfoPoint Digital Reference, University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities Director's Award: KnowItNow, Cleveland (OH) Public Library and CLEVNET Consortium Student Paper: Adrian Johnson, Graduate School of Library and Information Science, University of Texas at Austin 2000 " Internet Public Library, University of Michigan School of Information " Ask Us! Online, Multnomah County Library, Portland, OR " Ask a Hurricane Hunter, 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, U.S. Air Force Reserve Director's Award: Steve Coffman, LSSI Student Paper: Silvia Barcellos, School of Information Studies, Syracuse University 1999 " Morris County Library (NJ) " KidsConnect " EARL's Ask a Librarian (UK) " Ask Dr. Math Director's Award: Remedy Corporation 1998 " How Things Work, University of Virginia Department of Physics " MAD Scientist Network, Washington University School of Medicine (St. Louis) " Ask Dr. Math " Ask Shamu, Sea World/Busch Gardens " National Museum of American Art Reference Desk, Smithsonian Institute " Ask a Volcanologist, University of North Dakota " AskERIC Thank you for your participation, and we hope you can join us in November. The VRD Staff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Virtual Reference Desk Information Institute of Syracuse 621 Skytop Road, Suite 160 Syracuse, NY 13244-5290 phone: 315 443 3640 fax: 315 443 5448 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From adarby at ithaca.edu Wed Aug 18 12:19:24 2004 From: adarby at ithaca.edu (Andrew Darby) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: Style Sheets/Style Guides Message-ID: <4123818C.1090000@ithaca.edu> I would argue that having consistent spelling IS important. One thing which separates library sites from the zillions of other information sites/information portals out there, is the idea that librarians are information experts, and the information they provide is higher quality than things slapped up on the web by, say, Crazee joez LIst of Linkz. If we allow our sites to become sloppy, they start to resemble some of the more dubious information sources out there, and our "authority" is degraded. Slippery slope and all that. Ditto for sites that aren't consistent with their headers and subheaders, navigation, etc. It looks sloppy and unprofessional, and (perhaps unfairly) calls into question the value/accuracy/etc. of the content. My 2 cents. Andrew Darby From gerrymck at iastate.edu Wed Aug 18 13:34:20 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: NPR Commentary About WIKIs Message-ID: Colleagues/ In its All Things Considered program lat month, NPR broadcast a *Most Excellent* Commentary by David Weinberger [http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/index.html ] on -WIKIs- July 21, 2003 It might sound a little crazy, letting just anyone write whatever they want on your Web site. But that's just what Wikis are designed for. Wikipedia.org, for example, lets the public collaborate to build a surprisingly accurate encyclopedia. Commentator David Weinberger says wikis are one example of "social software," intended to allow people to work together with ease. [ http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1344426 ] This is Well-Worth The Listen! Enjoy! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan National Public Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Aug 18 13:36:26 2004 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: Job posting, OhioLINK, Asst Dir - Multi-Media Databases Message-ID: <4123939A.4010208@ohiolink.edu> [Please do not reply directly to me. ] Assistant Director of Library Systems -- Multi-Media Databases --- OhioLINK The Ohio Library and Information Network (OhioLINK) is seeking an Assistant Director of Library Systems - Multi-Media Databases. OhioLINK is a consortium providing information services to 83 public and private universities and colleges in Ohio, and the State Library of Ohio. The successful candidate will work closely with the Director of Library Systems, with other OhioLINK staff, and with personnel from OhioLINK member institutions in planning, implementing, and managing OhioLINK?s next generation statewide institutional repository and multi-media database management system. OhioLINK has already created the Digital Media Center , a growing statewide central repository that contains commercial and institution supplied images, audio, video, satellite and other forms of multi-media. The next generation Digital Resource Commons (DRC) will be a more robust content management service and repository that supports storage, distribution, publication, and long-term preservation of the educational and research materials of participating institutions. It will support a virtually unlimited variety of digital file types and formats including text, data sets, image, audio, video, streaming video, multimedia presentations, animations, etc The successful candidate will lead in building this system and work with staff at member institutions in statewide implementation. Expansion of video and audio content with commercial vendors will also continue. The qualified candidate will have a minimum of a Bachelor?s degree, preferably with an emphasis in the visual arts or electronic imaging. A Master?s of Library Science is desired but not required. The candidate must have production experience in creating and managing a multi-media database. Experience in Project Management is required. Knowledge of current imaging and metadata standards is required. Working knowledge of Documentum or other content management systems is highly desired. Working knowledge of Oracle or other types of SQL databases is required. The candidate should also demonstrate excellent oral and written communication skills, and the ability to work successfully in group settings to facilitate discussion and build consensus. Salary will be dependent on the qualifications of the successful applicant. OhioLINK is an EEO/AA employer. Candidates may e-mail or mail their resume, cover letter, and salary requirements to: Hiring Manager OhioLINK Suite 300 2455 North Star Rd. Columbus, OH 43221 resume@ohiolink.edu. -- Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From PSchoenberg at EPL.CA Wed Aug 18 13:50:32 2004 From: PSchoenberg at EPL.CA (Peter Schoenberg) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: Offering kids games after Gates PCs are replaced Message-ID: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D74C9B1D@TRINITY.epl.ca> Hello How are public libraries planning to offer the games made available via Gates Computers after the Gates computers are gone? We have 50 Gates computers included in our 350+ networked public computers. We want to offer the quality of experience that a Arthur or Franklin type cd gives. Thinking of educational, book based content primarily. We want to dramatically reduce the work involved in setting up and maintaining the computers on the network. Having to install CDs on individual computers is a problem. I am not aware of any options to license that type of content via the web. (Gee, would Arthur via Galenet would work) Has anyone explored licensing options with the major kids game publishers. The free web versions have some games and some activities but they really cannot compare to the safe, enclosed enviroment of a quality game. Any experience, suggestions or comments would be appreciated. __________________________________________________ Peter Schoenberg (780) 496 1855 Manager - Virtual Services - Edmonton Public Library www.epl.ca From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Wed Aug 18 15:36:29 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: FW: When Search Engines Become Answer Engines Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC045C2FB9@mail.lib.msu.edu> Jacod Nielsen wrote something about users' expectation/behaviour on using a search engine. Although his writing is geared toward commercial-based web site (as usual), it's still interesting for us. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040816.html Summary: The website is becoming a less prominent locus of experience as people use search engines to bring up answers to their current questions. How can sites cope with masses of freeloaders? -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) From SHollingshead at lclsonline.org Wed Aug 18 15:46:22 2004 From: SHollingshead at lclsonline.org (Sue Hollingshead) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: Website disclaimer Message-ID: Our library is looking at adding a disclaimer to our website. Does anyone use one that they would care to share? Thanks, ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From andrew.nagy at villanova.edu Wed Aug 18 16:08:27 2004 From: andrew.nagy at villanova.edu (Andrew Nagy) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: "Style" sheets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4123B73B.2060008@villanova.edu> Sloan, Bernie wrote: >Here's an interesting article from the CBC concerning whether it should be >"web" or "Web", or "Internet" or "internet" (I liked the title: "i for an >I"). > > As a Library Technology Specialist, I have been using the *I*nternet for just about 10 years now. The Internet that we all use on a day to day basis is a proper noun and should be referred to as "Internet." However there are other "internets" such as "Internet2", so there are special cases when the word internet can be lower cased. In this rare case, the word "internets", a noun, refers to a collection of internets and is lowercased. As for the "web", I think the similar rule applies. The "Web" is a proper noun, but a "web page" is just a noun. These are the rules that I have followed for years, but don't quote me on this :) Andrew Nagy From ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 17:05:20 2004 From: ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alain=20D.=20M.=20G.=20Vaillancourt?=) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] NPR Commentary About WIKIs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040818210520.53068.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Hello! I would like to amend your comment on Wikipedia. I would say that it has a surprisingly big number of accurate articles but I would certainly not say that as a whole it is surprisingly accurate. Most of the articles are stubs: Too short or even tiny to be considered accurate or not. Many of the big or medium sized articles are wildly inaccurate. I have been doing volunteer work on Wikipedia since October of last year and while I would certainly point out Wikipedia as a technological and social model of collaboratove work on the Web, I would not rate it very highly as a whole, compared to any print or CD-based encyclopedia. Take the bibliographical data in the articles for instance. About three months ago I spent a continuous period of 8 weeks checking all of the incoming new articles for the ones that dealt with a monograph, wether it was a novel or a piece of non-fiction or a lit anthology of some kind. I would complete the bilbiographical data on the book and make an entry in the Wikipedia list of artciles on books for it, to get an idea of how much time it would take to ensure some form of minimal bibliographical control in there. A very small minority dealt with the book in a complete manner. A tiny minority had enough bibliographical data (author, title, publisher, year of publication) to give a good identification. Hardly any were done by people who took the trouble to find out that Wikipedia has a list (by title) of articles dealing with books, or a list of authors of the same books: They just wrote up their tiny article without taking the trouble to find out any of the many ways Wikipedia had of organizing the articles. Wikipedia has scores of amazing ways to organize information but they are heavily underused. The situation was in many ways worse with the references to works consulted in writing any article. Only a few gave any at all. But I continue doing volunteer work on Wikipedia becasue it is an interesting Web phenomenon despite all its faults, and it makes me learn things. Alain V. --- Gerry Mckiernan a ?crit : > Colleagues/ > > In its All Things Considered program lat month, NPR broadcast a > *Most Excellent* Commentary by > David Weinberger [http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/index.html ] on > -WIKIs- > > July 21, 2003 > > It might sound a little crazy, letting just anyone write whatever > they > want on your Web site. But that's just what Wikis are designed for. > Wikipedia.org, for example, lets the public collaborate to build a > surprisingly accurate encyclopedia. Commentator David Weinberger says > wikis are one example of "social software," intended to allow people > to > work together with ease. > > [ http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1344426 ] > > This is Well-Worth The Listen! > > Enjoy! > > /Gerry > > Gerry McKiernan > National Public Librarian > Iowa State University > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > > > __________________________________________________________ L?che-vitrine ou l?che-?cran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca From chuck at mutualaid.org Wed Aug 18 17:36:51 2004 From: chuck at mutualaid.org (Chuck0) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: NPR Commentary About WIKIs In-Reply-To: <20040818210520.53068.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040818210520.53068.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4123CBF3.5050100@mutualaid.org> Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt wrote: > Hello! > > I would like to amend your comment on Wikipedia. > > I would say that it has a surprisingly big number of accurate articles > but I would certainly not say that as a whole it is surprisingly > accurate. Most of the articles are stubs: Too short or even tiny to > be considered accurate or not. Many of the big or medium sized articles > are wildly inaccurate. I've written several negative reviews of Wikipedia on my blog, but I'd have to say that, overall, Wikipedia is a very useful and exciting project. In recent months I've been copying Wikipedia content over to several wikis on my website (in order to seed the database) and I've been impressed with the overall quality and depth of Wikipedia. On the other hand, as Alain points out, Wikipedia has credibility problems, mostly when it comes to controversial articles. The entry on "anarchism" is pretty good for the most part, but a small group of so-called "anarcho-capitalists" (an oxymoron) have been rewriting the entry to normalize their ideology as having been part of anarchism and anarchist history. Ironically, this is an example of why Wikipedia needs some kind of "authority" mechanism, perhaps a clutch of benevolent Linus Torvalds to step in and make decisions. The anarcho-capitalists trying to graft their nonsense onto the "anarchism" entry is like the Scientologists trying to rewrite the entry on "Catholicism" to make it appear that L Ron Hubbard was a pope at one time. I found another problem yesterday with the entry on "Rachel Corrie," the American activist woman who was killed by a bulldozer last year in Palestine. The entry had a surprisingly neutral pint of view, for the most part, but as one person pointed out, the entry was dominated by the debate about the circumstances of her death. But Wikipedia offers a suprisingly amount of depth and quality information that can't be found as easily elsewhere online. Chuck Munson Webmaster and Librarian, Infoshop.org http://www.infoshop.org Blog: http://chuck.mahost.org/weblog/ From keckker at sparta.rice.edu Wed Aug 18 18:30:26 2004 From: keckker at sparta.rice.edu (Kerry A Keck) Date: Wed May 18 15:09:59 2005 Subject: POSITION OPENING, RICE UNIVERSITY Message-ID: Reference/Collection Development & Web Applications Librarian (This posting may also be found at http://www.rice.edu/fondren/info/jobs/rcd_wa.html ) Rice University, a private university located in Houston, Texas, is seeking a highly motivated librarian committed to excellent library service by providing collection development and user education in several humanities disciplines, reference and information service, and by developing and maintaining web-based applications that support collection- and information-services specific to the Rice University community. The position reports to the Assisitant University Librarian, Collections. Rice University is a private, selective institution with a small student body. Fondren Library is a research library with over 2.4 million volumes and is an exciting place to work, with opportunities to participate in the development of leading edge library technologies in a team setting. Houston is a vibrant, multicultural city, with world-class visual and performing arts ranging from the traditional to the avant-garde. The fourth largest city in the country, Houston enjoys a moderate cost of living and easy proximity to the Gulf Coast. For more information, see http://www.rice.edu/fondren and http://www.rice.edu/houston Responsibilities: Develop and manage library collections (in all formats) in assigned humanities disciplines, working in consultation with academic faculty. Develop and support web-based services directed both to the library users and internal staff that support reference, library instruction and collection development/management, Provide research assistance and user education services to students, faculty and the general public, instructing patrons individually and in small groups in the use of print and electronic resources. Participate in library orientations and tours. Qualifications and experience: Required: an ALA accredited MLS; undergraduate degree in a humanities discipline; excellent interpersonal skills including the ability to work well with faculty, students and colleagues, a high degree of flexibility and a positive record of collegial relations; excellent written and oral communication skills; a demonstrated commitment to public services and academic research process; excellent computer skills, including standard business and communications applications; experience with web development including web application and database programming, multimedia development, and web editing; understanding of effective web interface design and awareness of current issues regarding navigation, usability, and ADA-compliant accessibility Preferred: an advanced degree in humanities discipline, preferably history or philosophy; 2 years previous experience in an academic library; project management skills; reading knowledge of a foreign language, preferably German. Salary and appointment: Salary/benefits: Salary range $37,000 minimum, with hiring salary based on experience and education; no state or local income tax; career advancement program; 21 benefit days; 8 study days; TIAA/CREF; flexible benefits plans, including health and life insurance; and tuition waiver. To Apply: Applications received by September 15, 2004 will receive first consideration. To apply, send letter of application, resume, and the names, titles, addresses, and telephone numbers and/or e-mail addresses of three references to: Melinda Reagor Flannery, Assistant University Librarian Fondren Library MS-44 Rice University P. O. Box 1892 Houston, TX 77251-1892 Inquiries: (713) 348-3773 or e-mail reagor@rice.edu Rice University is an affirmative-action, equal-opportunity employer. From gerrymck at iastate.edu Fri Aug 20 13:28:09 2004 From: gerrymck at iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: The WIKI as The New Age Scholarly Journal? Message-ID: Colleagues/ In my literature search about WIKIs [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikis ] earlier this week, I learned of a Most Interesting Letter in BMJ titled "It's a Wiki Wiki World" [ http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7395/932/a ] KEY EXCERPT "The future belongs to Lisa. Smart and articulate, she will thrive in a milieu that she manipulates so that useful information will flow towards her. By participating in her online communities and achieving status in these groups, she will be the one who knows (or at least who knows who knows) the required information. [SNIP] TAKE HOME MESSAGE Fortunately the internet has given us the answer_one_ the Wikipedia concept, which has developed as a result of the open source software model using free (wiki) software (www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine). The essential features are a revision control system, unrestricted editing of articles on the wiki by any registered member, unrestricted membership of the wiki, and the ability to fork articles (or see current versions at the same time). In addition, no copies are deleted and the newer versions of an article comprise the original article with all additions made cumulatively. This Letter was in response to a Most Entertaining and Informative article titled "Four Futures for Scientific and Medical Publishing" [ http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/325/7378/1472 ] that provides a profile of various publication models through the Simpson Family Characters (Homer, Marge, Bart, and Lisa) [WOW!] I'd appreciate ANY and ALL reactions to The Letter and/or The Article! [BUT, Don't Have a Cow, Man] [http://animatedtv.about.com/cs/faqs/a/simpsonbios_2.htm ] [:-) /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Most Entertaining and Informative Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From PSchoenberg at EPL.CA Fri Aug 20 13:34:32 2004 From: PSchoenberg at EPL.CA (Peter Schoenberg) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: netLibrary vs OverDrive - pros and cons for a public library Message-ID: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D74C9B41@TRINITY.epl.ca> We are looking to begin offering eBooks late this year or early next year. I am asking for any information you could provide that would help decide which vendor is the preferred vendor. There are many factors we expect to consider, interested in hearing what your criteria have been, any surprises and regrets etc. Obvious factors include: Titles, formats, price, pricing models, usability for customers, ease of orders, ease of maintenance If I receive direct replies, I will summarize them for the list (unless your comments are noted as being stricly off-list). Peter __________________________________________________ Peter Schoenberg (780) 496 1855 Manager - Virtual Services - Edmonton Public Library www.epl.ca From junus at mail.lib.msu.edu Fri Aug 20 15:53:34 2004 From: junus at mail.lib.msu.edu (Junus, Ranti) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] The WIKI as The New Age Scholarly Journal? Message-ID: <9ADF6F1B8F159448A143DC39FBA9F1EC02EEC8A1@mail.lib.msu.edu> I can see its practical application within my own unit in term of systems design, documentations, task force reports, and user guides. I probably will to try it out for my next project. -- Ranti Junus - Systems 100 Main Library W441 Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824, USA +1.517.432.6123 ext. 231 +1.517.432.8374 (fax) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Mckiernan [mailto:gerrymck@iastate.edu] > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] The WIKI as The New Age Scholarly Journal? > > > Colleagues/ > > In my literature search about WIKIs [ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikis ] earlier this week, I learned of > a Most Interesting Letter in BMJ titled "It's a Wiki Wiki World" [ > http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7395/932/a ] > [...] From CarolineGeer at letu.edu Fri Aug 20 15:53:45 2004 From: CarolineGeer at letu.edu (Geer, Caroline) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary vs OverDrive - pros and cons for a public library Message-ID: <8F8CC0B50111B145828E1C01271A7C80781548@rachael.letnet.net> Peter, We have been very pleased with netLibrary--variety of publishers/titles, format, ease of use, ability to make notes and bookmarks on pages, dictionary support in print and audio, and so on. The pricing model has been affordable because most of our 40,000 ebooks have been acquired in a shared resource collection with other institutions of higher education in Texas through both Amigos [OCLC] and TexShare [Texas only through the State Library]. We have also purchased 500+ ebooks in our own, unique collection. netLibrary offers the option of purchasing perpetual access or to pay annual access fees [very nice for books that have limited use over time like computer books]. netLibrary also includes a good number of public domain books. The technical support is friendly and available, but it is rarely needed. eBooks are also available to our users through both Electric Library and Original Sources, but these are public domain books no longer under copyright. We have just finished a trial of Safari Books, but we have not yet made a decision about purchasing. There are also books available through Knovel which we are seriously considering because of our need for online science, engineering, and technology resources. Hope this information is helpful. Caroline Geer Coordinator of Information Resources Margaret Estes Library LeTourneau University Longview, Texas 75607-7001 Phone: 903.233.3271 Fax: 903.233.3263 Web: www.letu.edu/library ........................................................................ ...... "But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere." James 3:13-17 ........................................................................ ......... -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Peter Schoenberg Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary vs OverDrive - pros and cons for a public library We are looking to begin offering eBooks late this year or early next year. I am asking for any information you could provide that would help decide which vendor is the preferred vendor. There are many factors we expect to consider, interested in hearing what your criteria have been, any surprises and regrets etc. Obvious factors include: Titles, formats, price, pricing models, usability for customers, ease of orders, ease of maintenance If I receive direct replies, I will summarize them for the list (unless your comments are noted as being stricly off-list). Peter __________________________________________________ Peter Schoenberg (780) 496 1855 Manager - Virtual Services - Edmonton Public Library www.epl.ca From skantorh at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 19:17:11 2004 From: skantorh at yahoo.com (Susan Kantor-Horning) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary vs OverDrive - pros and cons for a public library In-Reply-To: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D74C9B41@TRINITY.epl.ca> Message-ID: <20040820231711.96802.qmail@web40005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm a member of the Califa (the California Service Bureau) E-book Steering Committee, formerly the Golden Gateway Library Network E-book Consortium, and we've been selecting and evaluating ebooks for multi-type libraries for a number of years. While many of our members have over 4,000 netLibrary titles in their collections, we continuously evaluate the platforms, content, and issues associated with the other vendors of digital library products. OverDrive is very attractive to us right now because it carries more popular materials than netLibrary and they are adding audio titles into the mix. OverDrive provides protected ebooks and audio books using the Adobe Content Server and Microsoft DRM Technology. OverDrive content can be downloaded onto many portable devices, such as pda's and cell phones. It doesn't work with the iPod. netLibrary also allows downloading for offline viewing, if you purchase the Adobe software, but no one in the Consortium has made this purchase. Another positive aspect of OverDrive is that the user interface can be tailored to look like your library's site instead of their content server site. People can use their library barcodes to check items out and don't have to create a separate account as you do with netLibrary. The titles you purchase belong to your system which seems less confusing than netLibrary's leasing vs. purchasing model. The Consortium had some trouble with netLibrary's billing process and was unexpectedly charged access fees going back several years. We also have 25 technical titles available from Safari (Proquest). Some of these titles included ones we already owned through netLibrary, except netLibrary had lost the rights. Safari is working on cleaning up their MARC Records, which have been problematic. We're currently looking at Baker and Taylor ED - for a separate legal collection. Susan Kantor-Horning Electronic Resources Specialist Contra Costa County Library Peter Schoenberg wrote: We are looking to begin offering eBooks late this year or early next year. I am asking for any information you could provide that would help decide which vendor is the preferred vendor. There are many factors we expect to consider, interested in hearing what your criteria have been, any surprises and regrets etc. Obvious factors include: Titles, formats, price, pricing models, usability for customers, ease of orders, ease of maintenance If I receive direct replies, I will summarize them for the list (unless your comments are noted as being stricly off-list). Peter __________________________________________________ Peter Schoenberg (780) 496 1855 Manager - Virtual Services - Edmonton Public Library www.epl.ca --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From mclean at hnu.edu Fri Aug 20 20:53:33 2004 From: mclean at hnu.edu (McLean, Joyce) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: Library Systems Administrator Job Posting Message-ID: Holy Names College is now Holy Names University Our new email address is @hnu.edu Please change your address book to reflect this change. BACKGROUND: Holy Names University is located on 60 wooded acres high in the hills of Oakland, California. Founded in 1868, the College is an academic community committed to the full development of each student. We offer a liberal education rooted in the Catholic tradition, with 14 undergraduate and 7 graduate degree programs. U.S. News and World Report ranks Holy Names College Number 3 in ethnic diversity among Western Colleges and Universities. POSITION TITLE: Library Systems Administrator TYPE OF POSITION: Full-time, 40 hours per week AVAILABLE: October 1, 2004 REPORTS TO: Director of Library Services RESPONSIBILITIES: * Play a primary role in the implementation and customization of the Dynix Horizon Integrated Library System (ILS) * Update and maintain the Horizon system and administrative profiles of other online resources (15 vendors) * Provide technical support for Library staff and patrons using Horizon and other online resources * Train Library staff and patrons in ILS applications and system enhancements * Provide instruction in the use of the Library's online resources * Participate in development of information literacy curriculum * Act as the Library's technical liaison to Dynix and vendors of other online resources * Act as the Library's technical liaison to the HNU Department of Information Technology * Produce statistics and reports using Horizon and other administrative tools. * Expand and maintain the Library website REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: * Masters of Library Science or Information Management Systems degree or equivalent experience * Experience with online integrated library systems * Web development experience (preferably with Macromedia products) * Two years library experience (preferably in an academic setting) * Service orientation and demonstrated ease in working with the public * Strong oral and written communication skills * Strong creative and analytical thinking skills, excellent problem-solving ability and resourcefulness * Ability to organize work, prioritize tasks, and delegate work to others * Familiarity with Library of Congress classification system and MARC codes DESIRED QUALIFICATIONS: * Experience administering Dynix Horizon or similar system * Knowledge of MS SQL * Experience in instruction and/or curriculum development APPLICATION PROCESS: Send a letter of inquiry and a copy of your resume with three references to: Kathy Lowe, Director of Human Resources Human Resources Department Holy Names University 3500 Mountain Boulevard Oakland, California 94619 lowe@hnu.edu Applications will be reviewed upon receipt SALARY: High $40,000's to low $50,000's depending upon qualifications From chris.zagar at emcmail.maricopa.edu Fri Aug 20 23:20:37 2004 From: chris.zagar at emcmail.maricopa.edu (Chris Zagar) Date: Wed May 18 15:10:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary vs OverDrive - pros and cons for a public library In-Reply-To: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D74C9B41@TRINITY.epl.ca> References: <497AD7CB28DA1245BD7D44D5F1ECB5D74C9B41@TRINITY.epl.ca> Message-ID: Our library has been using ebrary.com for over a year and have been impressed by the results. We also use netLibrary, but ebrary has been getting higher use since we have more titles and the books are never "checked out" so they are always available to everyone. It does require a special plug-in, but the plug-in is nicely designed and provides a lot of useful features. If you browse to: http://librarycenter.ebrary.com/ they actually have a small selection of library-related books available as a demonstration. Chris Zagar Estrella Mountain Community College