From glee at nyls.edu Mon Nov 5 13:31:24 2001 From: glee at nyls.edu (Grace E. Lee) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: Foretres (was IE Lockdown) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3BE66A7C.14503.13D13A@localhost> Dear Charlie: If you open the Fortres program on the terminal, select "Diagnostics" and then look at "Failed file actions" ( I think its called). It is a log which shows which programs have tried to write to the hard drive. It helped us figure out why we couldn't log into westlaw.com. >The library I'm working at just upgraded to Windows 2000 and the >latestFortres. We've been having problems based on figuring out which >applications (such as Adobe Acrobat Reader) need to have access to the write to the hard drive. >You can set that up in Fortres but it may take >awhile to figure out which programs have to be listed in the Fortres >permission set-up. >Charlie Irwin >Simmons College MLIS student ------------------------------------------- Grace E. Lee, Electronic Services Librarian Mendik Library, New York Law School 57 Worth St., NY NY 10013 212-431-2858 email:glee@nyls.edu From aj0386 at wayne.edu Mon Nov 5 11:19:00 2001 From: aj0386 at wayne.edu (Michael C. Piper) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: Problem tracking software and customer support policies and procedures Message-ID: Dear colleagues, DALNET, the Detroit Area Library Network, is developing ways to respond more effectively to inquiries from our 22 member libraries. One strategy we're investigating is problem-tracking software such as Remedy Help Desk (www.remedy.com/solutions/ebis/itsm/datasheets/help_desk.htm). Do any list members have experience with applications such as this? We're also looking at developing policies and procedures for our customer service operation. Library consortium colleagues: does your customer support unit have written policies or procedures you can send us? Any help you can provide on these key topics will be appreciated. Thank you. P.S. Posted on multiple lists; please excuse any duplication. Michael Piper, Director Detroit Area Library Network Science and Engineering Library - Room 529 Wayne State University Detroit MI 48202 313/577-4984 313/577-3615 (Fax) mcpiper@wayne.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Nov 5 11:23:26 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: Netscape 6.2 Message-ID: <05b401c16616$7ed05260$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Web4Lib-- For those still tracking Netscape 6.x, 6.2 was released within the last few days. It's built on an 0.9.4 version of Mozilla, so it should be substantially more stable than 6.1's 0.9.2 underpinnings (which were substantially more stable than 6.01, etc.). is the place, or for English-speaking Windows users: . ☮ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From raywood at magma.ca Mon Nov 5 11:35:42 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Problem tracking software and customer support policies and procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011105113541.D18080@magma.ca> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:15:44AM -0800, Michael C. Piper remarked: > Dear colleagues, > > DALNET, the Detroit Area Library Network, is developing ways to respond more > effectively to inquiries from our 22 member libraries. > > One strategy we're investigating is problem-tracking software such as Remedy > Help Desk (www.remedy.com/solutions/ebis/itsm/datasheets/help_desk.htm). Do > any list members have experience with applications such as this? There are quite a few free 'help desk' or 'request tracking' apps available for GNU/Linux. See http://freshmeat.net to search them down. (My latest discovery, which may or may not be of interest in this context, is PHProjekt - a very interesting web-based Project Management application. I believe it has a request tracker component also...) Raymond From mwarner at sacramento.lib.ca.us Mon Nov 5 11:59:22 2001 From: mwarner at sacramento.lib.ca.us (MARGO WARNER) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: Internet Information Server 5.0 search help Message-ID: We are using IIS 5.0 with Windows 2000 for our Web server and Dreamweaver Ultra Dev 4 for development. Indexing Service has been turned on and the pages that we want to search have been added to a catalog. When we choose query the catalog, under indexing services, the results are correct. The next step we want to accomplish is adding a search text box to each page of the Web site. The information we have so far is very limited. According to the book we are using, we can either use ASP or a combination of three files to accomplish this task. We are trying to use the three file method (.htm, .idq and .htx). Of course the .htm files is the form portion of the page which prompts the user to enter a search string. The form action = "query.idq" method = "get". The .idq file is supposed to pass the results to the .htx page which formats it for the user. However, we are receiving errors related to the .idq file. Has anyone used this method to set up a search on their Web site? If not have you used the alternate ASP to set up your search with IIS 5.0? Can you recommend any books and or Web sites that will assist us? I am particularly interested in using the .idq method, however ASP solutions are also welcome. Margo Warner Information Systems Analyst Sacramento Public Library mwarner@sacramento.lib.ca.us (916) 264-2894 Margo Warner Information Systems Analyst Sacramento Public Library mwarner@sacramento.lib.ca.us (916) 264-2894 From Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV Mon Nov 5 14:04:05 2001 From: Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV (Andrea.Cheney@USPTO.GOV) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: FW: Article: Re-editing films Message-ID: <8D41CD9393D61B4193D5892E1C455B6C29F785@uspto-is-109.uspto.gov> Hey Web4libers, here is an interesting article that I received via another listserv. It touches on issues that may or may not be of interest to our profession or may to do with that "evil" piece of legislation the DMCA. Andrea Cheney Electronic Resources Librarian United States Patent and Trademark Office Scientific and Technical Information Center Information Access and Management Branch 2021 S. Clark Place Crystal Plaza 3, Suite 2C06 Arlington, VA 22202 703-308-6099\fax: 3485 andrea.cheney@uspto.gov "The Phantom Edit" How one "Star Wars" fan nearly fixed the "Episode 1" disaster, and why George Lucas is indirectly stoking another kind of digital revolution. http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/11/05/phantom_edit/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From gbarkovi at bpl.burnaby.bc.ca Mon Nov 5 15:08:04 2001 From: gbarkovi at bpl.burnaby.bc.ca (gbarkovi@bpl.burnaby.bc.ca) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: IE/Netscape cache riddle Message-ID: <200111052008.fA5K85G04330@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> We're having a cache problem that no one, including the vendor of our library system (epixtech), has been able to figure out. Patron records should be available through our website but we've had to turn this function off because it is possible for someone to walk up to a terminal in the library, hit the 'Back' button and back into someone else's personal information or whatever else a previous patron viewed. There is a 'logout' command that is supposed to clear the cache, and it works everywhere, apparently, except in the library. That is, it works fine for remote users. Obviously, the problem is with how the browser (IE 5.5 or 6.0) is interacting with our network. However we have discovered that Netscape 4.7 and probably other versions work fine. Does anyone have an idea of what this could be? Why would Netscape be able to clear its cache but IE only be able to do so outside of our network? What should we be looking for? This problem has gone on for several months so any tips, hunches, would be greatly appreciated. Greg Barkovich/Librarian/Burnaby Public library Phone: (604) 436-5401 Fax:(604) 436-9087 / 6100 Willingdon Ave. Burnaby,B.C. V5H 4N5 The contents of this message may not necessarily reflect the position of Burnaby Public Library. If you have concerns about this message, please e-mail bpl@bpl.burnaby.bc.ca. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Nov 5 15:26:24 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE/Netscape cache riddle References: <200111052008.fA5K85G04330@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Message-ID: <00d601c16638$6c935080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > Does anyone have an idea of what this could be? Why would Netscape be able > to clear its cache but IE only be able to do so outside of our network? What > should we be looking for? > Get epixtech to document exactly what cache-related HTTP headers they're sending. IMO, it isn't your problem until they can demonstrate that they are doing what they should be doing. It they're only including a meta http-equiv tag in the page, they aren't doing what they should. To control any intermediary caches, you need to have this in the headers. A "logout command" doesn't mean anything in terms of browser or intermediary caches. You may want to expand your circle of tested browsers. What does Opera do, what does Mozilla do, what does Lynx do? What happens if you twiddle each browser's cache settings from one extreme to the other? Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From LuckDL at apsu.edu Mon Nov 5 16:59:00 2001 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: domain name renewal Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE407769@EXCHANGE> We just got a renewal notice for our state association's domain name, which I know is very important to pay! However, I registered our domain in 1998 with Network Solutions, and now the bill is coming from VeriSign. I know the whole registration structure has changed, but how do I know this is the right company to pay? It's not listed on the ICANN accredited registrars list. Were we notified (and it was lost in the association bureaucracy) who took over as our registrar? DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu.edu From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Mon Nov 5 17:49:23 2001 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] domain name renewal Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E034@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> My suggestion would be to contact Network Solutions to find out. Verisign is also listed on InterNIC's website at http://www.internic.com/whois.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Sorry, my brain won't engage without a coffee klatch" > -----Original Message----- > From: Luck, Deanne [mailto:LuckDL@apsu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2001 11:14 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] domain name renewal > > > We just got a renewal notice for our state association's > domain name, which > I know is very important to pay! However, I registered our > domain in 1998 > with Network Solutions, and now the bill is coming from > VeriSign. I know > the whole registration structure has changed, but how do I > know this is the > right company to pay? It's not listed on the ICANN > accredited registrars > list. Were we notified (and it was lost in the association > bureaucracy) who > took over as our registrar? > > DeAnne Luck > Electronic Resources Librarian > Austin Peay State University > LuckDL@apsu.edu > > From brannocl at hbpl.org Mon Nov 5 18:39:33 2001 From: brannocl at hbpl.org (Lane Brannock) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] domain name renewal References: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE407769@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <002101c16653$1f5530c0$46fea8c0@LIBRARY> VeriSign has bought Network Solutions so now VeriSign takes care of business. -- Lane Brannock, MCP Huntington Beach Public Library (714) 536-5215 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luck, Deanne" > We just got a renewal notice for our state association's domain name, which > I know is very important to pay! However, I registered our domain in 1998 > with Network Solutions, and now the bill is coming from VeriSign. I know > the whole registration structure has changed, but how do I know this is the > right company to pay? It's not listed on the ICANN accredited registrars > list. Were we notified (and it was lost in the association bureaucracy) who > took over as our registrar? > > DeAnne Luck > Electronic Resources Librarian > Austin Peay State University > LuckDL@apsu.edu From DobbsA at apsu.edu Mon Nov 5 19:02:57 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] domain name renewal Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EAB2@EXCHANGE> fyi, this is not a plug (alright, so it is), I have no financial interest in this company... When I renewed my domain names I switched registrars to BuyDomains.com http://www.buydomains.com for $16.00 apiece ('cause I'm cheap). My experience with buydomains has been positive; making changes to the domain settings (dns servers, registrants, &c) has been easy. (even painless) I would recommend going with them to 1. save a buck or nineteen 2. better, quicker control of domain settings, & 3. friendly interface/ease of use . -Aaron :-)' -----Original Message----- From: Luck, Deanne [mailto:LuckDL@apsu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] domain name renewal We just got a renewal notice for our state association's domain name, which I know is very important to pay! However, I registered our domain in 1998 with Network Solutions, and now the bill is coming from VeriSign. I know the whole registration structure has changed, but how do I know this is the right company to pay? It's not listed on the ICANN accredited registrars list. Were we notified (and it was lost in the association bureaucracy) who took over as our registrar? DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu.edu From lbspodic at ust.hk Tue Nov 6 01:51:00 2001 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Mr. Edward Spodick) Date: Wed May 18 14:19:58 2005 Subject: Unable to reach any Melvyl or CDLib web or telnet sites In-Reply-To: <004101c164a1$09b8c1e0$021c1ec6@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone else out there is having problems accessing the Web and and Telnet sites for the California Digital Library and/or Melvyl? The domain name servers for about half of the Universities in Hong Kong no longer recognize any of their addresses - this has been going on for about a week now and our computer center indicates that the problem is not with local configuration. I am not at all sure I agree with them... Sites 'gone missing' include: http://www.melvyl.ucop.edu/ http://www.cdlib.org/ melvyl.ucop.org (telnet) -Edward Spodick, HKUST lbspodic@ust.hk From Theo.vanVeen at kb.nl Tue Nov 6 05:27:05 2001 From: Theo.vanVeen at kb.nl (Theo van Veen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Betr.: [WEB4LIB] Cookie-pusher for DOI resolution Message-ID: The most ideal way of using the OpenUrl mechanism would be the following. As soon as a user finds metadata somewhere on whatever site containing OpenUrl's, he wants the OpenUrl's automatically pointing to his own preferred service component. Therefore the browser should recognize the OpenUrl's and automatically substitute the user's base-url. Such a mechanism does not exist (yet). A mechanism that comes very close to this and is very easy to implement 1) offers the user the ability to fill in his base-url when presenting OpenUrl's, 2) sets the base-url in a cookie by means of javascript and 3) compute the OpenUrl's on the fly also by means of javascript. This does not require the server to interprete the cookie, it is not restricted to a set of predefined OpenUrl-servers and it does not require the server to have knowledge about the users persmissions, as the user can specify his own base-url. Yes, it requires cookies and yes, it requires Javascript. As soon as browsers allow global variables (local with respect to the user but global with respect to different websites) to be used within Javascript (may this exists already) the cookie mechanism can be replaced by setting such a variable. What is important is that everyone uses the same mechanism to set the OpenUrl to the users base-url and I would strongly suggest the mechanism described above (unless there are more convenient mechanisms). See also http://www.kb.nl/persons/theo . In this example the base-url is considered to point to a personal link page but this can also be any other OpenUrl resolver. Theo van Veen >>> "Thomas Dowling" 03-11-01 21:00 >>> I have received a couple of messages about my comments on the cookie-pusher solution to appropriate copy resolution of DOIs. Here's a fuller articulation of my points. I believe that the cookie pusher will prove inadequate for many users. However, the consensus of a group of organizations who worked on this problem over the last year was that no better solution will be available in the foreseeable future. The cookie pusher is a CGI script that lives at www.doi.org. Its function is to set a cookie within the doi.org domain and issue an HTTP Location header sending the browser to a URL specified in its query string. HTTP requests received by the global DOI resolver at dx.doi.org will note the presence of this cookie; if it's present, the resolver will redirect users to a local DOI resolver determined from the value of the cookie. The expected implementation is that a page on, say, www.ohiolink.edu, would include an element whose src attribute was actually the cookie pusher script called, so as to redirect the browser to an image back on www.ohiolink.edu. The expected benefit of doing this is that a database vendor can create DOI-based outbound links to citations without having to worry about where any user's resolver might live. Those links all go to dx.doi.org, which determines whether to give users the global resolution service to or redirect them to a local service. My issues with this are: Any user whose path to the database avoids the page(s) with the cookie pusher image will not get the cookie set under any circumstances. This includes anyone following a bookmark to the database. They will therefore get the global resolution service rather than your carefully tailored local service. Sites have to choose carefully on how many pages to put the cookie pusher image. Too few, and you increase the number of users who won't get the cookie set. Too many, and the effect of continually re-running the script might be a perception that your site is slow. This "page from one site, image and cookie from another" trick (third-party cookies) has been widely used by commercial traffic monitoring companies. Because of the privacy issues involved with this, most cookie management software--including what's built into Netscape 6.1 and IE6--disables this by default. This could be avoided by actually linking to the cookie pusher rather than insinuating it into an img, but IMO this exacerbates the problem of deciding where users should see that link. The image-based cookie will not be set under any circumstances if: The browser is not set to show images. The browser is set to disallow all cookies. The browser is set to allow cookies only from a set of servers that does not include www.doi.org. The browser, or cookie management software, or firewall is set to disallow third party cookies. OR the browser does not go to a cookie-pushing page before going to services with DOI-based links to dx.doi.org. But again, there's no better solution right now to identify your users to the global DOI resolver. That's why we will increasingly tell vendors that straight DOI links are a very minimal level of service (just one step better than hard-wired links to publisher sites). The preferred solution for licensed services will be to include an OpenURL resolver's base URL in the customer profile information. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From richard at goerwitz.com Tue Nov 6 07:58:32 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Betr.: Cookie-pusher for DOI resolution References: Message-ID: <3BE7DE78.387155C8@Goerwitz.COM> Theo van Veen wrote, regarding an OpenURL resolving mechanism that: > 1) offers the user the ability to fill in his base-url when presenting OpenUrls, > 2) sets the base-url in a cookie by means of javascript and > 3) compute the OpenUrl's on the fly also by means of javascript. This system has several unfortunate elements, which you yourself note. First off, it uses cookies. Some users turn cookies off. Others (who use privacy enhancing software) block them. See Thomas Dowling's original list of objections to cookie-based schemes. Yes, he was speaking more about cookie pushing mechanisms than you were (you're really talking more about a personal link page or thin portal). But most of his remarks apply to the sys- tem you're proposing. Secondly, it requires user intervention. This intervention has to to come in the form of either clicking on an image or link (which sets a third-party cookie, and which is therefore going to be dis- allowed, by default, by recent browsers). Otherwise, the inter- vention must come in the form of a menu presented by the resolver, which is simply too obtrusive. How many patrons know or care what their base URL is? Note also that the intervention is necessary for every machine the user uses. Undoing or changing settings is an equally nasty affair. Thirdly, your solution utilizes JavaScript, which has been a re- peated source of security problems, and which again some users simply turn off. JavaScript and cookies will also make things difficult for auto- mated systems. There are a lot of reasons to want to automate the retrieval of certain URLs. My contention is that people who are suggesting cookie-pusher schemes and/or personal link pages aren't really thinking of what the average patron is interested in and/or capable of. Nor are they thinking of automated systems. We need an OpenURL mechanism that's transparent (requiring intervention only if the user cares to override a default), that requires no cookies, and requires no JavaScript - although it may offer fallbacks or other secondary interfaces that do so. If there is to be a central OpenURL site redirection mechanism it can't be a heavyweight affair from the client's perspective. Most systems I've seen confuse behaviors proper to personal link pages or thin portals with functions properly reserved for a resolver. The resolver should be lean and built to fall back to cookies only if there's no other choice (or if the user really feels compelled to tweak the behavior of the system). (I realize some people will claim that the DOI "proxy" [as they call it] fits my specifications perfectly - and that might to some extent be true. Unfortunately, the DOI resolution mechanism is controlled by publishers, and currently affords little opportunity for local tailoring. The point of OpenURLs is that they don't hardcode in identifiers that essentially "source route" the reso- lution process; they, rather, allow libraries to handle resolution in terms that suit local resources and collections. There seems to be a subtle push-and-shove going on between libraries and publishers right now to determine who will really control the process of re- solving reference links. Some publishers, at the very least, want a way to opt out of local resolution, and to force specific resolu- tion pathways they control. Some libraries want total local con- trol, even if that means bearing an immense maintenance burden. Library automation vendors, realizing that the libraries' desire for control exceeds their capacity to manage the resources needed to do so, want to sell them packages and services that help them get the job done. I don't think that libraries in particular know what they're getting into.) Anyway, if you haven't already, take a look at my draft paper, which has gotten me some heated mail, both pro and con: http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/papers/ucla/ Please feel free to post responses or write me scathing letters, as many already have ;-). -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From suekamm at mindspring.com Tue Nov 6 10:22:21 2001 From: suekamm at mindspring.com (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Unable to reach any Melvyl or CDLib web or telnet sites References: Message-ID: <3BE8002D.AAE9CA2D@mindspring.com> When I tried http://melvyl.ucop.edu, I was asked for a user name and password. I had no problems getting into http://www.cdlib.org/; have you asked your ISP if the problem is on their end? -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor-at-Large, Sue Kamm Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000 email: suekamm@mindspring.com Visit my web page: http://suekamm.home.mindspring.com/index.htm "Good is not good when better is expected." -- Vin Scully From lytlea at oclc.org Tue Nov 6 10:24:13 2001 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: REMINDER: Register now for "Library Management in the Knowledge Age" Message-ID: [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you!] It's not too late to register for "Library Management in the Knowledge Age: An Introduction for 1st-Time & Aspiring Managers" presented by the Missouri Library Network Corporation (MLNC) and the OCLC Institute. Date: November 28-29, 2001 Location: Holiday Inn Southwest & Viking Conference Center, St. Louis, MO Details and Registration: Instructors: W. David Penniman, Dean, School of Informatics, University of Buffalo and Keith Russell, Coordinator of Employee Development, University of Kansas Seminar Description: Perfect for those new to management and supervision as well as those who wish to brush up on their skills, this seminar examines: -Issues and challenges facing today's library leaders -The ways management in a library setting differ from management in a business setting -The skills and learnings that define an effective leader at any level In addition, this two-day course offers useful tools for managing -Workflow -Other people -The work of a unit or section The seminar combines theory and practical exercises to help participants develop and refine leadership and management skills. Kudos from past Library Management seminars: --I think it was a really great workshop! Thank you. The only thing is that it is so interesting that we would like this workshop to be almost the double time! But it was well-balanced between all these subjects. --Entire program seemed like it could be a fast track MBA program. Activities were practical and non-threatening; very refreshing. Now I need to begin the process and bootstrap myself in the learning and growing mode. The mission statement and time management sessions was very useful although I must admit to being resistant to the process. It seemed that each section could be expanded to a full day or two program. Overall, this was a very useful program and very energizing. For more information or if you have questions, please contact Amy Lytle, OCLC Institute Event Coordinator, via e-mail at mailto:lytlea@oclc.org or by phone at (800) 848-5878 x 5212. Thank you. ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From Bennett at robert-morris.edu Tue Nov 6 10:46:35 2001 From: Bennett at robert-morris.edu (David Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Issues with DeskFlag software? Message-ID: Several employees in the library installed the free DeskFlag software from Tiger Technologies (http://www.deskflag.com) version 1.0.3. I've noticed several new problems and glitches with those PCs and I wondered what other experiences have been. The deskflag software is not a screensaver, it waves a flag in the right hand corner of the screen. I've read through the FAQ at http://www.deskflag.com/faq.html and it says it can take up to 2.1 MB of memory resources and less than 4% of the processor time. I have been unable to find any third party reviews that are critical. I hate to be the Grinch, but I feel this software introduces more problems than it is worth. Please let me know if the deskflag software is introducing any glitches at your institution. ***************************************************** David Bennett (bennett@robert-morris.edu) Robert Morris College 881 Narrows Run Road Moon Township, PA 15108 (412) 262-8474 voice (412) 262-4049 fax ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From iachan at sccd.ctc.edu Tue Nov 6 11:21:20 2001 From: iachan at sccd.ctc.edu (Chan, Ian) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Web Hosting Message-ID: I am preparing a report, on choosing a webhost, to our faculty union. My list includes: Hostway, Cwihosting, Dreamhost, & Experthost. Please offer comments on your experience with the above or with other shared hosting services. Thanks! Ian Chan Librarian Seattle Central Community College (206) 587-6336 http://www.seattlecentral.org/faculty/iachan/ http://dept.sccd.ctc.edu/cclib/ From rhiebert at sd6.bc.ca Tue Nov 6 11:51:44 2001 From: rhiebert at sd6.bc.ca (rhiebert@sd6.bc.ca) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Printer auditing software Message-ID: <87256AFC.005D8D94.00@mail.sd6.bc.ca> Hello, Although I work in a small high school with a few networked (NT) printers, getting students to pay for printing is a hassle, so I am considering software that will monitor student printing and disable their printing rights when they have exceeded their allotment. First, is anyone using software like this with which they are pleased? Second, I have found a company selling a product called PrintControl (at: http://www.northern.net/printControl/). Does anyone have any experience with this product? Regards, Robert Robert Hiebert Librarian, Golden Secondary School www.gsslibrary.net Fax: 250 344 7116 library@gsslibrary.net From goodeld at wou.edu Tue Nov 6 12:34:52 2001 From: goodeld at wou.edu (Dale Goodell - WOU Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer auditing software In-Reply-To: <87256AFC.005D8D94.00@mail.sd6.bc.ca> Message-ID: <3BE7AEBD.18880.67A560@localhost> Another product worthy of consideration is PCounter ( http://www.pcounter.com ) We run this, in cooperation with our University Computing Services, on our campus Novell network, so I don't know about NT. ----Dale > Although I work in a small high school with a few networked (NT) printers, > getting students to pay for printing is a hassle, so I am considering software > that will monitor student printing and disable their printing rights when they > have exceeded their allotment. > > First, is anyone using software like this with which they are pleased? > > Second, I have found a company selling a product called PrintControl (at: > http://www.northern.net/printControl/). Does anyone have any experience with > this product? ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell Information Technology Consultant Computer Services Unit Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 E-mail: goodeld@wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From dlords at library.utah.edu Tue Nov 6 12:52:43 2001 From: dlords at library.utah.edu (Debbie Lords) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer auditing software In-Reply-To: <3BE7AEBD.18880.67A560@localhost> Message-ID: We run PCounter on Windows 2000. It also works on NT 4.0. Services need restarting from time to time. Takes care of both PCs and Macs, although where it reports the number of pages for PCs, it does not report the number of pages for Macs. We also use QControl to give non-administrative people access to release jobs. We are not yet fully automated. -- Debbie _,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ Debra Lords If at first dlords@library.utah.edu you do succeed, 801-585-9810 try to not look Campus Student Computing Labs astonished. University of Utah -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Dale Goodell - WOU Library Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer auditing software Another product worthy of consideration is PCounter ( http://www.pcounter.com ) We run this, in cooperation with our University Computing Services, on our campus Novell network, so I don't know about NT. ----Dale > Although I work in a small high school with a few networked (NT) printers, > getting students to pay for printing is a hassle, so I am considering software > that will monitor student printing and disable their printing rights when they > have exceeded their allotment. > > First, is anyone using software like this with which they are pleased? > > Second, I have found a company selling a product called PrintControl (at: > http://www.northern.net/printControl/). Does anyone have any experience with > this product? ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell Information Technology Consultant Computer Services Unit Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 E-mail: goodeld@wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From calumet at Mindspring.com Tue Nov 6 13:15:53 2001 From: calumet at Mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Update to ResearchBuzz 9/11 Resources Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106131503.021b06b0@pop.mindspring.com> I have updated the ResearchBuzz 9/11 Resources site. First of all I moved it across several pages since it was getting extensive. Second, I installed a search engine. Third, I added a couple of new categories to reflect the updated situation and am adding more resources over time (I don't have a resource count; I know that the state-level US government pages resource page has over 90 URLs by itself, but that's all I know.) Fourth, I have added a new resources page at http://www.researchbuzz.com/911/newsources.html .) The categories are as follows (each category has its own page. There are a few sub-categories, but they are not listed here): Informative Phone Numbers and Victim Information Donations Scheduling Forums Weblogs Pictures Memorials Opinions/Editorial News Coverage Company Statements Rumors, Hoaxes, and Scams Rescue and Investigation Tower and Building Information Information for Parents Meta-Reference Miscellaneous Reference International Information US Government Reference Maps and Geographic Information Terrorism War The search engine I'm using is from FreeFind. Each item on a page has its own listing, so when you search for "memorial" you do not get an entire page but rather several different listings. Due to an error in the way I implemented some of the coding, some of the listings have strange formatting. I am working to remedy this. I welcome new resources and corrections to current listings. Please send them to updates@researchbuzz.com . I hope you find the updated resource useful. Thanks, Tara Calishain ResearchBuzz.com From dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Tue Nov 6 11:50:35 2001 From: dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Issues with DeskFlag software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps if people want a flag on their desktop, they ought to put a flag on their desktop? On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, David Bennett wrote: > Several employees in the library installed the free DeskFlag software from Tiger Technologies (http://www.deskflag.com) version 1.0.3. I've noticed several new problems and glitches with those PCs and I wondered what other experiences have been. > > The deskflag software is not a screensaver, it waves a flag in the right hand corner of the screen. > > I've read through the FAQ at http://www.deskflag.com/faq.html and it says it can take up to 2.1 MB of memory resources and less than 4% of the processor time. I have been unable to find any third party reviews that are critical. > > I hate to be the Grinch, but I feel this software introduces more problems than it is worth. Please let me know if the deskflag software is introducing any glitches at your institution. > > ***************************************************** > David Bennett (bennett@robert-morris.edu) > Robert Morris College > 881 Narrows Run Road > Moon Township, PA 15108 > (412) 262-8474 voice > (412) 262-4049 fax > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > Dan Kissane Reference Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 dfk@oneonta.edu personal web site: www.dmcom.net/dkissane From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Nov 6 15:12:12 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Issues with DeskFlag software? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B8EA@mail1.morrisville.edu> I have it running on my laptop right now. I have not seen a single glitch yet. Bill Drew From grace.agnew at library.gatech.edu Tue Nov 6 18:36:00 2001 From: grace.agnew at library.gatech.edu (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: Announcement: Presentations from Managing Digital Video Content Workshop available Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106183457.05acbb50@libvid2.library.gatech.edu> Everyone, Presentations from the August two-day conference, Managing Digital Video Content, with keynote speakers Clifford Lynch and Jane Hunter, are available on the ViDe website. Powerpoint presentations and RealVideo/RealPresenter files are available as well as a user's guide to the ViDe Dublin Core application profile for digital video (in PDF). Presentations focus on MPEG-7, Dublin Core, developing and applying metadata, digital rights management metadata, the Open Archives Initiative. The website is: http://www.vide.net/conferences/ A database template in MS Access 2000 for applying the Dublin Core application profile for digital video is available at: http://www.library.gatech.edu/vide/videoaccess/reportsdocuments.htm in the Reports section. Please contact Grace Agnew, ViDe Video Access Working Group Chair, with any questions or comments, particularly regarding the Dublin Core application profile for digital video. Thank you. Grace Agnew ******************************************************************* Grace Agnew Assistant Director for Systems and Technical Services Georgia Tech Library (404) 894-8932 (404) 894-6084 (fax) mailto:grace.agnew@library.gatech.edu ****************************************************************** ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From lbspodic at ust.hk Tue Nov 6 18:58:37 2001 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Mr. Edward Spodick) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Unable to reach any Melvyl or CDLib web or telnet sites In-Reply-To: <3BE8002D.AAE9CA2D@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Sue Kamm wrote: > I had no problems getting into http://www.cdlib.org/; have you asked > your ISP if the problem is on their end? Our ISP is the University computer center, and the joint university computing network. Because this problem is found in half the Universities here, they feel it is likely that the problem originates fromt he source. I am not hearing from anyone outside HK that they see a problem, so I can go back to them and help work toward a more functional resolution. Thanks, From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Nov 1 08:10:01 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Nov 01 Message-ID: <200111011310.fA1DA1i18431@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS November 01, 2001 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? 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From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 1 11:44:47 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B50D8@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> The URL for Joyce's article is: http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 77736 Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wood [mailto:raywood@magma.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 06:01:57AM -0800, Joyce M. Latham imagined: > I see the NetConnect article on thin clients is out, and I want to thank > everybody who helped, even if you ended up edited out! url? Raymond -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "If you continue running Windows, your system may become unstable" -- Windows 95 BSOD ("Blue Screen of Death") <-- now unsupported by M$ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From chhobbs at cdrewu.edu Thu Nov 1 12:14:02 2001 From: chhobbs at cdrewu.edu (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: DMCA going too far??? References: <200111011310.fA1DA1i18431@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3BE182D9.B5707717@cdrewu.edu> > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000086726nov01.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines% Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. Aibo owners are outraged, and hundreds have vowed to stop buying Sony products altogether until the company backs off. Sony has sold more than 100,000 Aibos worldwide since 1999, at prices ranging from $800 to $3,000. The dogs have spawned a community of enthusiasts who fuss over the mechanical marvels as if they were real canines. -- Charles P. Hobbs King Drew Health Science Library http://www.cdrewu.edu/kdhsl From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 1 13:17:53 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B50D8@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B50D8@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20011101131753.D721@magma.ca> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:15:07AM -0800, Sloan, Bernie remarked: > > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > 77736 > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the > page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under > "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. Thanks Bernie. Unfortunately I tried to 'Register' to the site (not by choice mind you), but was unable to access the article for some reason -- oh well... I was interested to see what the author might say about the Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). Thanks anyway, Raymond From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 1 13:20:06 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DMCA going too far??? In-Reply-To: <3BE182D9.B5707717@cdrewu.edu> References: <3BE182D9.B5707717@cdrewu.edu> Message-ID: <20011101132006.E721@magma.ca> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:05:30AM -0800, Charles P. Hobbs remarked: > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000086726nov01.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines% > > Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at > protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web > site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey > robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. This should be no surprise (though it is good to know). This is exactly what the DMCA is for in the first place. Raymond From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Nov 1 13:31:07 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: <20011101131753.D721@magma.ca> Message-ID: > I was interested to see what the author might say about the > Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). Linux Terminal Server Project - http://www.ltsp.org John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Thu Nov 1 13:32:08 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DMCA going too far??? Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF86D@EXCHANGE_NE> -----Original Message----- From: Charles P. Hobbs [mailto:chhobbs@cdrewu.edu] . . . The dogs have spawned a community of enthusiasts who fuss over the mechanical marvels as if they were real canines. Well -- Legal issues aside -- It sounds like some of these people need to get a life -- or at least psychological counseling -- Just my .02 I realize chat rooms are supposed to replace human contact - and interactive media is supposed to replace shopping malls and theatres ---- but a world where even pets are replaced by machines is NOT a world I would care to live in. PHG From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Nov 1 13:40:23 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients References: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B50D8@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3BE19717.73C78ECA@tln.lib.mi.us> Can someone remind me why you need to register for this site? I have to admit that there have been times that I've either wanted to view or link to articles from Library Journal but I've never gone through the registration process. I guess it turned me off having to deal with that at a library site with no clear reason for them collecting that information. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Sloan, Bernie" wrote: > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > 77736 > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the page and click > on "netConnect" (in the far left column under "Resources"). It's the Fall > 2001 issue. > > Bernie Sloan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Wood [mailto:raywood@magma.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 06:01:57AM -0800, Joyce M. Latham imagined: > > I see the NetConnect article on thin clients is out, and I want to thank > > everybody who helped, even if you ended up edited out! > > url? > > Raymond > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > "If you continue running Windows, your system may become unstable" > -- Windows 95 BSOD ("Blue Screen of Death") <-- now unsupported by M$ > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From DobbsA at apsu.edu Thu Nov 1 13:58:26 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EA97@EXCHANGE> DMCA, from the Latin "...to scr*w the little guy out of stuff" e.g.: 1. more money. 2. any possibility of enjoyment that doesn't come prepackaged. 3. convenience. 4. their lawfully given right to "...pursuit of happiness..." Maybe enough "little guy"s & "little guy" groups will: 1. see the iceberg that the DMCA really is 2. encourage the captains (lawmakers) to change course 3. get motivated enough to get the DMCA repealed -Pollyanna :-)' (no offense to people named Pollyanna, just referring to the storybook character) -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wood [mailto:raywood@magma.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:05:30AM -0800, Charles P. Hobbs remarked: > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000086726nov01.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines% > > Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at > protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web > site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey > robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. This should be no surprise (though it is good to know). This is exactly what the DMCA is for in the first place. Raymond From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Nov 1 14:06:38 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: <3BE19717.73C78ECA@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Andrew Mutch wrote: > Can someone remind me why you need to register for this site? I have to admit > that there have been times that I've either wanted to view or link to articles > from Library Journal but I've never gone through the registration process. I > guess it turned me off having to deal with that at a library site with no clear > reason for them collecting that information. Andrew, "you know the best things in life are free, but you can give 'em to the birds and bees, now give me M-O-N-E-Y." Ok fine; it's just a guess, but it's got a good beat and I can dance to it..." John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Thu Nov 1 14:14:03 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? Message-ID: DMCA was not sold this way. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wood [SMTP:raywood@magma.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:05:30AM -0800, Charles P. Hobbs remarked: > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000086726nov01.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines% > > Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at > protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web > site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey > robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. This should be no surprise (though it is good to know). This is exactly what the DMCA is for in the first place. Raymond From BentGa at wwc.edu Thu Nov 1 14:32:25 2001 From: BentGa at wwc.edu (Gary Benton) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients Message-ID: I don't like to have to register as well. I tried to register, but it didn't work for me either. Gary Benton Library Systems Technician Walla Walla College >>> Raymond Wood 11/01/01 10:17AM >>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:15:07AM -0800, Sloan, Bernie remarked: > > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > 77736 > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the > page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under > "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. Thanks Bernie. Unfortunately I tried to 'Register' to the site (not by choice mind you), but was unable to access the article for some reason -- oh well... I was interested to see what the author might say about the Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). Thanks anyway, Raymond ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 1 14:42:28 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: <3BE19717.73C78ECA@tln.lib.mi.us> References: <3BE19717.73C78ECA@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <20011101144228.G721@magma.ca> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:46:35AM -0800, Andrew Mutch remarked: > Can someone remind me why you need to register for this site? I have to admit > that there have been times that I've either wanted to view or link to articles > from Library Journal but I've never gone through the registration process. I > guess it turned me off having to deal with that at a library site with no clear > reason for them collecting that information. I second this question... Raymond From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 1 14:46:47 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011101144647.H721@magma.ca> > > Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at > > protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web > > site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey > > robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. > > This should be no surprise (though it is good to know). This is > exactly what the DMCA is for in the first place. > > Raymond > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:14:03PM -0500, Masters, Gary E remarked: > DMCA was not sold this way. Of course not - very few repressive laws advertise themselves as such. One has to read in between the lines for the 'subtext'. :) Raymond From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Thu Nov 1 17:37:18 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: LJ registration Message-ID: <66580-220011141223718359@linc.lib.il.us> Because cahner's business info (who publish LJ etc.) have made all their sites subscription-only (and a lot more commercial -- my guess would be to have concrete numbers to give advertisers). If you go to Jessamyn's excellent blog at http://www.librarian.net/ , she has some fake user login information for LJ (and the NYT) on the left-hand side that you can use to get in and read the articles without the registration hassle. - Rachel >On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:46:35AM -0800, Andrew Mutch remarked: >> Can someone remind me why you need to register for this site? I >have to admit >> that there have been times that I've either wanted to view or link >to articles >> from Library Journal but I've never gone through the registration >process. I >> guess it turned me off having to deal with that at a library site >with no clear >> reason for them collecting that information. > >I second this question... > >Raymond > --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From srotenbe at solano.cc.ca.us Thu Nov 1 15:29:43 2001 From: srotenbe at solano.cc.ca.us (Sandra Rotenberg) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c16313$f0eac250$8f8022d8@RM1051> I registered looking for another article mentioned in Cites and found that you have to go to the search box and search for the article you want once you have registered. It doesn't remember why you went there in the first place. Then you can cut and paste the url because part of it gets cut off because of the length, and get to it that way. That seems to be the only way to get this article because it isn't showing up in the search with the authors name or the word netConnect. It isn't very intuitive or helpful. Good luck. Sandra Rotenberg Access Services Librarian Solano Community College 4000 Suisun Valley Road Suisun City, CA 94585 Ph: (707) 864-7243 e-mail: srotenbe@solano.cc.ca.us "If you wish to make an apple pie truly from scratch, you must first invent the universe." -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996) -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Gary Benton Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients I don't like to have to register as well. I tried to register, but it didn't work for me either. Gary Benton Library Systems Technician Walla Walla College >>> Raymond Wood 11/01/01 10:17AM >>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:15:07AM -0800, Sloan, Bernie remarked: > > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > 77736 > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the > page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under > "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. Thanks Bernie. Unfortunately I tried to 'Register' to the site (not by choice mind you), but was unable to access the article for some reason -- oh well... I was interested to see what the author might say about the Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). Thanks anyway, Raymond ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Thu Nov 1 15:35:45 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (latham1) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients Message-ID: <3BCA3F77@cricket.lis.uiuc.edu> I'm a fan of both Linux and thin clients, but unfortunately haven't worked with this approach. I think their history is very interesting. I had some questions in reviewing it ... since Linux itself runs pretty thin -- we were able to squeeze Redhat 6.2 onto a Pentium (1) for instance -- one wouldn't be using it to convert low-end machines back to useful devices. You could do that just loading up Linux. You are then basing your decision on centralized management of multiple points of access, but the LTSP folks haven't gotten as far with that as the Citrix people have.(Neither has Microsoft). Of course, it's *alot* cheaper than the Citrix flavor, but I still think the original is the best solution on this -- if you have the money for it, and the time to invest in the learning curve. Joyce >===== Original Message From creechj@mumbly.lib.cwu.edu ===== >> I was interested to see what the author might say about the >> Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). > >Linux Terminal Server Project - http://www.ltsp.org > >John Creech >Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian >Central Washington University Library >400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | >office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 >creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu J.M. Latham Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois -- Urbana Champaign latham1@students.uiuc.edu From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Nov 1 15:44:37 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: <3BCA3F77@cricket.lis.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: > it's *alot* cheaper than the Citrix flavor... ^^^^^^ How do I describe my library budget? Little bird flew overhead and said "cheap cheap." John Creech, CWU Library From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Thu Nov 1 15:51:40 2001 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: Call for Proposals: LITA 2002 National Forum (October 11-13; Houston) Message-ID: <5911657.1004629900@d233h32.public.uconn.edu> [This call for proposals is being sent to multiple e-mail lists. Please excuse the duplication.] The 2002 LITA National Forum Committee seeks proposals for high quality concurrent sessions at the fifth annual LITA National Forum to be held at the Westin Galleria & Westin Oaks, Houston, Texas October 11-13, 2002. Visit the 2002 Forum web page (http://www.lita.org/forum02/propcall.html) for more information about the theme of the Forum, possible proposal topics, and submission information. The Committee welcomes and appreciates your proposals. Proposals will be reviewed by the LITA 2002 National Forum Committee at the 2002 ALA Midwinter Conference. Please submit proposals to Mary Taylor (mtaylor@ala.org), LITA Executive Director, by January 7, 2002. The Library and Information Technology Association (LITA) is the division of the American Library Association that provides its members and the library and information science community as a whole with a forum for discussion, an environment for learning, and a program for actions on the design, development, and implementation of automated and technological systems in the library and information science field. -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Thu Nov 1 14:53:23 2001 From: dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want to read Library Journal articles without registering, couldn't you just access it in one of your full-text databases? We have it in several: Library Journal is available as follows: [from 8/1/1992 to present in MasterFILE Select] [from 1/1/1997 to present in Expanded Academic ASAP, InfoTrac OneFile] [from 4/1/2001 to present in Academic Universe]. Just a thought... ... ... On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Gary Benton wrote: > I don't like to have to register as well. > > I tried to register, but it didn't work for me either. > > > > Gary Benton > Library Systems Technician > Walla Walla College > > >>> Raymond Wood 11/01/01 10:17AM >>> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:15:07AM -0800, Sloan, Bernie > remarked: > > > > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > > 77736 > > > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the > > page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under > > "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. > > Thanks Bernie. Unfortunately I tried to 'Register' to the site > (not by choice mind you), but was unable to access the article > for some reason -- oh well... > > I was interested to see what the author might say about the > Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). > > Thanks anyway, > Raymond > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > Dan Kissane Reference Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 dfk@oneonta.edu personal web site: www.dmcom.net/dkissane From BentGa at wwc.edu Thu Nov 1 16:12:41 2001 From: BentGa at wwc.edu (Gary Benton) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients Message-ID: Dan, Great idea. It worked! Gary Gary Benton Library Systems Technician Walla Walla College >>> Dan Kissane 11/01/01 11:53AM >>> If you want to read Library Journal articles without registering, couldn't you just access it in one of your full-text databases? We have it in several: Library Journal is available as follows: [from 8/1/1992 to present in MasterFILE Select] [from 1/1/1997 to present in Expanded Academic ASAP, InfoTrac OneFile] [from 4/1/2001 to present in Academic Universe]. Just a thought... ... ... On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Gary Benton wrote: > I don't like to have to register as well. > > I tried to register, but it didn't work for me either. > > > > Gary Benton > Library Systems Technician > Walla Walla College > > >>> Raymond Wood 11/01/01 10:17AM >>> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:15:07AM -0800, Sloan, Bernie > remarked: > > > > The URL for Joyce's article is: > > > > http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 > > 77736 > > > > Or, alternatively, go to Library Journal's Web page > > (http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/) and scroll down the > > page and click on "netConnect" (in the far left column under > > "Resources"). It's the Fall 2001 issue. > > Thanks Bernie. Unfortunately I tried to 'Register' to the site > (not by choice mind you), but was unable to access the article > for some reason -- oh well... > > I was interested to see what the author might say about the > Linux Terminal Project (going by memory with that title). > > Thanks anyway, > Raymond > > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > Dan Kissane Reference Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 dfk@oneonta.edu personal web site: www.dmcom.net/dkissane ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Thu Nov 1 16:47:21 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (J.M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Thin clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Then, I would say that is an answer ... :-) Joyce On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, John Creech wrote: > > it's *alot* cheaper than the Citrix flavor... > ^^^^^^ > > How do I describe my library budget? Little bird flew overhead and said > "cheap cheap." > > John Creech, CWU Library > From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Thu Nov 1 15:29:13 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: More on IE lockdown Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF871@EXCHANGE_NE> OK -- Through IEAK I can tell IE not to open new windows and to disallow closing the browser. BUT--- Some links seem to be able to bypass this and open new windows anyway -- which then cannot be closed. Anybody have any ideas on how to COMPLETELY prevent opening of new windows? Also open to hints on how to disable the START button -- or eliminate EVERYTHING on it but IE Right now I am getting around this by running IE as the shell -- but this causes some other problems. OK -- One more question -- Want to prevent patrons from downloading/saving to any place but their A drive. I have all drives hidden but A But they still manage to save to "My Documents" and to the desktop. Any help or any pointers to good informational sites would be welcome. BTW --- Thanks to those who suggested Public Browser -- I'm sure its a wonderful product -- but with our people -- if it doesnt look smell and taste just like the IE they have at home -- they get paranoid. We even paid for a similar product called OneSite from the makers of Cybrarian -- and they wouldn't allow me to use it in the reference area after it was bought. We do use it in the lab -- and it works GREAT. Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX From mrempel at gppl.ab.ca Thu Nov 1 18:33:51 2001 From: mrempel at gppl.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: Link prevents user from using back button Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011101162912.00aa34a0@pop.telusplanet.net> Afternoon, We have a sponsor that we've added a link for on our site. The problem is that no matter what TARGET I use I can't make the link open in a new window. The link opens in the same window and will not let the user go back to our site. Each time I try it reloads the linked site. I think it is due to a META tag, but I could be wrong. The tag in question is I know this is so their site doesn't open in a frame when linked, but is there any way I can counteract this? Thanks! Michelle Rempel PLS/GPPL From DobbsA at apsu.edu Thu Nov 1 14:22:01 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EA9A@EXCHANGE> True, but it is what it's "for". -----Original Message----- From: Masters, Gary E [mailto:GEM@CDRH.FDA.GOV] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? DMCA was not sold this way. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wood [SMTP:raywood@magma.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: DMCA going too far??? On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:05:30AM -0800, Charles P. Hobbs remarked: > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000086726nov01.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines% > > Sony Corp. is using a controversial U.S. law aimed at > protecting intellectual property to pull the plug on a Web > site that helps owners of Aibo, Sony's popular and pricey > robotic pet, teach their electronic dogs new tricks. This should be no surprise (though it is good to know). This is exactly what the DMCA is for in the first place. Raymond From cchick at earthlink.net Fri Nov 2 00:38:18 2001 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:00 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - November 1, 2001 Message-ID: New on LLRX.com for November 1, 2001 http://www.llrx.com **Law Firm Extranets: Baking a New Pie http://www.llrx.com/features/lawfirmextranet.htm Once unique, extranets are now a common application in the legal community. Jerry Lawson focuses on extranet development pointers, challenges to successful implementation, and provides an online bibliography of resources and selected vendors. **Survey of Online Legal Information Alternatives http://www.llrx.com/features/alternatives.htm T. R. Halvorson reviews Westlaw and Lexis special pricing options as well as services offered by Loislaw.com, VersusLaw, Quicklaw America, National Law Library, RegScanLaw and LawProbe.com. **Update to A Guide to the U.S. Federal Legal System: Web-Based Publicly Accessible Sources http://www.llrx.com/features/us_fed.htm Gretchen Feltes' guide is an especially useful resource in light of the 9-11 attacks and increased interest around the world in the U.S. legal system. **Bibliography on Terrorism, Bioterrorism, the Middle East, and 9-11 Related Issues http://www.llrx.com/features/terrorbiblio.htm Complied by Camille Reynolds, this bibliography provides a list of publications relevant to the 9-11 attacks and aftermath, along with associated book reviews as available. **New York State Disaster & Terrorism Legislation for 2001 http://www.llrx.com/features/nydisaster.htm This bibliography, compiled by Janice E. Henderson, will be updated to include new terrorism and disaster related legislation from New York state. **Update to Researching Dutch Law http://www.llrx.com/features/dutch2.htm Oswald Jansen and George Middeldorp have updated their extensive guide with additional links to government data, legal research resources on the Web, and a significant range of legal text books. **The Internet Archives: Preserving the History of Web Pages http://www.llrx.com/columns/webcritic12.htm Kathy Biehl reviews the efforts of a tax-exempt organization called the Internet Archive that has assumed the mantle of rescuing public online data from oblivion. **The Internet Roundtable #25 - How Can My Site Help Me With Many Audiences? http://www.llrx.com/extras/ir25.htm Jerry Lawson, Brenda Howard and Dennis Kennedy discuss the many communities that law firm web sites ideally should be designed to serve, including current clients, potential clients, the media, the disabled, job seekers, and others. **Voice Care for the Occasional Speaker http://www.llrx.com/columns/guide57.htm Professional speakers learn to care for their voices to minimize possible problems. Marie Wallace explains what an occasional speaker can do to care for and condition their voice. **Book Review: Toward A Cyberlegal Culture http://www.llrx.com/extras/cyberlegal.htm Sabrina I. Pacifici reviews a recently published book by Mirela Roznovschi, which is a valuable addition to any collection on international and foreign law research. **Latest Links http://www.llrx.com/links/110101.htm Margaret Berkland reviews: About.com Closed Guide Relocation Directory and Assistance Links; All the Worlds Maps; Daypop; The Fully-Automated Fill-in-the-Blanks FOI Letter Generator; International Trade/Import-Export Portal; The Post-September 11 Environment: Access to Government Information. **Editor's Featured Site: Internet Way Back Machine http://web.archive.org/ This recently launched archival project, encompassing more than 10 billion Web pages published since 1996, provides researchers with an historical repository of content that in many cases is no longer available. The issues raised by this site in terms of intellectual property and cyberspace law will no doubt resonate for years to come. (Editor, Sabrina I. Pacifici) From rjtiess at warwick.net Thu Nov 8 09:33:15 2001 From: rjtiess at warwick.net (Robert Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Reburning a CD [was: Virus on Library cdrom?] References: Message-ID: <3BEA97AB.5A0BBD19@warwick.net> Beth DeGeer wrote: > I did not think one could re-burn a CD. Hi, Beth. If the CD in question is in fact a CD-R that was created, closed, but not write protected (something that must be specified upon ejection of a CD-R), theoretically anyone else with a CD writer drive could open that same CD back up, make any number of modifications to the disk, and close it again so that it would be readable in most CD-ROM drives. If a CD-R can be placed in a CD writer drive and you can make it writable again (e.g. if "Make Writable" is an option), that CD-R is susceptible to modification. A CD-R for public use should always be write protected by its creator, but since many people are new to CD-Rs they might not know to do that. On the bright side, if a CD-R is not write protected, you or someone with a CD-R drive could also reopen the CD-R and then close it immediately by ejecting the CD and checking "write protect." If your disc is a CD-R and a virus was written to it, write protection is irrelevant now: the disc was already compromised and should be discarded. One way of telling a CD-R from a CD is a CD-R usually has a blueish/greenish tint to it on the part of the disc the computer reads (not on the label side). A standard CD-ROM (silver on the read side) is in fact read only and unable to be reopened/rewritten due to the way it's created, unlike CD-Rs, which rely on dye. Here's a link to a site that explains some more how CD-Rs and CDs work: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question287.htm Hope that was helpful :-) Robert rjtiess@warwick.net From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Thu Nov 8 09:18:37 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? NO. Message-ID: Always remember to never use always or never. Unless, of course, you really have to. But in this case, it does not seem reasonable. The worm, if there were one, came from else where. More likely, the repair person messed it up. I have managed to mess up a registry to the point that I had to reformat the drive. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Beth DeGeer [SMTP:bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? Hi all: A patron came to me today and claimed that the library's copy of JumpStart Kindergarten, which she had checked out and installed on her computer, had given her a worm, and it had corrupted most of her hard drive. She got this information from the pc repairman who fixed her PC. Is this possible? I did not think one could re-burn a CD. The CDROM she borrowed is the actual one we purchased commercially, and it's printed with the logo, etc., so I don't think anyone has substituted another CDROM. Any opinions? Beth DeGeer Youth Services Librarian/PC Administrator Bartlesville Public Library, Bartlesville OK bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From carver.50 at osu.edu Thu Nov 8 12:30:04 2001 From: carver.50 at osu.edu (Blake Carver) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Virus on Library cdrom? NO. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011108092843.00b30130@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> It is entirely possible the CD was created with a virus on it. "The latest DVD featuring cartoon sensation "The Powerpuff Girls" may boast fun games for young PC users, but three computer programs on the disc have also been infected by the "FunLove" virus, CNET News.com has learned.". http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7735109.html I remember this happening before as well. -Blake >(301) 827-6893 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth DeGeer [SMTP:bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? > > Hi all: > > A patron came to me today and claimed that the library's copy of >JumpStart > Kindergarten, which she had checked out and installed on her >computer, had > given her a worm, and it had corrupted most of her hard drive. She >got this > information from the pc repairman who fixed her PC. Is this >possible? I > did not think one could re-burn a CD. The CDROM she borrowed is the >actual > one we purchased commercially, and it's printed with the logo, etc., >so I > don't think anyone has substituted another CDROM. Any opinions? > > > Beth DeGeer > > Youth Services Librarian/PC Administrator > Bartlesville Public Library, Bartlesville OK > bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us > http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us > > > > > > >********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > >********************************************************************* ------------------------------------------ Blake Carver Web Librarian The Ohio State University Libraries From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Nov 8 09:35:13 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Virus on Library cdrom? NO. References: Message-ID: <3BEA9821.D63CE194@tln.lib.mi.us> I would agree with Gary on this one. The only variable that I've encountered with these kinds of CD-ROMs is that some of these software packages have been known to include "spyware" apps that get installed along with the application the patron intends to use. So, if you ran something like Ad-aware, you would find "rogue" applications that you didn't ask to be installed sending data of your use of the Internet to some web site. However, as obnoxious as "spyware" is, it's a long leap from having "spyware" installed to getting a worm that causes the hard drive to be corrupted. I think this is a good example of the PC tech either: 1) Blowing smoke because he couldn't explain the real cause of the hard drive corruption Tech: "Uh, what was the last thing that you used on the computer?" Patron: "This CD from the library." Tech: "Really? Well, yeah, it...it...it probably had a worm that corrupted your hard drive. Yeah, that's the ticket!" 2) Making assumptions about cause and effect. See #1. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Masters, Gary E" wrote: > Always remember to never use always or never. Unless, of course, you really > have to. > > But in this case, it does not seem reasonable. The worm, if there were one, > came from else where. More likely, the repair person messed it up. I have > managed to mess up a registry to the point that I had to reformat the drive. > > Gary > > Gary E. Masters > Librarian (Systems) > CDRH - FDA > (301) 827-6893 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth DeGeer [SMTP:bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? > > Hi all: > > A patron came to me today and claimed that the library's copy of > JumpStart > Kindergarten, which she had checked out and installed on her > computer, had > given her a worm, and it had corrupted most of her hard drive. She > got this > information from the pc repairman who fixed her PC. Is this > possible? I > did not think one could re-burn a CD. The CDROM she borrowed is the > actual > one we purchased commercially, and it's printed with the logo, etc., > so I > don't think anyone has substituted another CDROM. Any opinions? > > Beth DeGeer > > Youth Services Librarian/PC Administrator > Bartlesville Public Library, Bartlesville OK > bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us > http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > > ********************************************************************* From izelazny at hunter.cuny.edu Thu Nov 8 12:58:43 2001 From: izelazny at hunter.cuny.edu (Ilan Zelazny) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Q: Select Printer per application Message-ID: <1005242323.3beac7d3c5ce7@ms1web.hunter.cuny.edu> Hello all, Is there a way (Windows 95/98 & Novell 5.0) to have a default printer set for specific applications? In other words, when I print from Netscape, the output automatically goes to our HP Laser; on that same machine, if I print from Word the output goes to our dot-matrix printer. I dont want the student to select the printers. Thanks for your help. - Ilan ********************************************************************** * Ilan Zelazny Hunter College Library * * Head, Systems Unit 695 Park Ave. Rm E313 * * TEL: (212) 772-4171 New York, NY, 10021 * * Ilan.Zelazny@hunter.cuny.edu FAX: (212) 772 - 5113 * ********************************************************************** From lislemck at netscape.net Thu Nov 8 15:00:15 2001 From: lislemck at netscape.net (Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Web-Sense conference in 2002? Message-ID: <5958C93F.54EE26F4.00A08978@netscape.net> Does anyone know if a Web-Sense conference will be held in 2002? It was co-sponsored by IMLS and First Monday in 2000 and 2001, but I can't find anything on either site about 2002. TIA! -- Elizabeth J. McKenty Library Coordinator The Office of Public Service Support Free Library of Philadelphia mckentye@excen.library.phila.gov lislemck@netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From ra67 at umail.umd.edu Thu Nov 8 15:40:15 2001 From: ra67 at umail.umd.edu (Robin Albert) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: E-Signature Workshop -- DC area Message-ID: <3BEAEDAF.14022D5B@umail.umd.edu> There is still time to register for the following workshop! College of Information Studies University of Maryland presents E-Commerce, E-Government, E-Signatures, and Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) Thursday, November 29, 2001 E-commerce or e-government has become a driving force in many private and public sector organizations. Recent electronic signature and records laws provide the legal basis for e-commerce transactions using digitally signed electronic records. Public key infrastructure (PKI) provides the institutional, policy, and technology framework that will support authentication, digital signing, integrity and encryption of electronic records transported over the Internet, PKI, electronic signature and records laws, and e-commerce/e-government initiatives pose challenges for records and archival institutions but also provide an opportunity for cross-organizational cooperation and creating new roles for those institutions. This workshop will explore the impact of e-commerce on electronic records management, using state e-government initiatives as a focal point, and will address in detail issues raised by recent electronic signature laws and PKI. The following topics will be explored: * Electronic records management as an enabler of e-commerce/e-government * Recent Federal E-SIGN law and state electronic signature and records laws and their impact on records and archival institutions * The emerging role of information technology, policy, and other entities in electronic records management * A primer on public key infrastructure (PKI) * Issues that PKI raises for archivist and records managers * The changes records and archival institutions need to effect to deal with the emerging e-commerce/e-government environment Instructor: Alan S. Kowlowitz, e-Commerce/e-Government, New York State Office for Technology Date: November 29, 2001, 9:00 am - 4:00 pm Location: 2111 Stamp Union, University of Maryland, College Park, MD Registration Fee: $145 (includes lunch) CEUs: .6 Registration Deadline: November 15, 2001 For more information, please contact: Robin Albert at 301-405-2057 or ra67@umail.umd.edu Please visit our web site at www.clis.umd.edu/ce/ for additional workshops and registration form **************************************************** REGISTRATION FORM: (check appropriate workshop) _____ E-Commerce, E-Government, E-Signatures and PKI Send completed form with payment to: Continuing Education Program 4105 Hornbake South, CLIS, UMD College Park, MD 20742 or FAX to 301-314-9145 ___ Check here if you wish to receive continuing education credit (CEUs) Name: Organization: Address: Phone: Fax: Email: Method of Payment: Check (payable to University of Maryland) Credit Card: VISA MasterCard Discover Credit Card#: Expiration Date: Cardholder's Name/Phone: Signature: -- ÿWPCŸ ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dbarclay at library.tmc.edu Thu Nov 8 16:36:33 2001 From: dbarclay at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: IP Address Detection Message-ID: Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? Donald A. Barclay Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics Houston Academy of Medicine-- Texas Medical Center Library dbarclay@library.tmc.edu 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Nov 8 16:49:51 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection References: Message-ID: <001d01c1689f$4b78eef0$0100a8c0@usask.ca> > Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site > visitor's IP address and, based on this, direct them to a particular > page on your site? Depends totally on your web server and what tools you have available. This could easily be done with PHP, Perl, Python, or server side includes. If the server is Apache you could accomplish this with something in the .htaccess or httpd.conf file, or (probably) with mod_rewrite. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Thu Nov 8 17:01:29 2001 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection Message-ID: We use a crude form of IP validation for many of our pages that describe access and passwords, etc. We keep the IP addresses in a simple database (actually, it's a hybrid of values & ranges), and then I've created a template that is used to query the database and return a local variable, onCampus. I call this template using and then continue the code based on the value of onCampus (i.e. ). It's crude, but it works. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> Donald Barclay 11/8/01 3:45:44 PM >>> Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? Donald A. Barclay Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics Houston Academy of Medicine-- Texas Medical Center Library dbarclay@library.tmc.edu 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Thu Nov 8 17:26:36 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IP Address Detection References: <001d01c1689f$4b78eef0$0100a8c0@usask.ca> Message-ID: <002e01c168a4$6d8e4490$4a0eb8cc@ucpl.lib.mo.us> >> Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site >> visitor's IP address and, based on this, direct them to a particular >> page on your site? > >Depends totally on your web server and what tools you have available. > >This could easily be done with PHP, Perl, Python, or server side includes. >If the server is Apache you could accomplish this with something in the >.htaccess or httpd.conf file, or (probably) with mod_rewrite. Also easily done with VBscript / ASP on an NT machine running IIS... (use Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR") to grab the visitor's IP address) [IIS is not the root of all evil :) ] Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From ra67 at umail.umd.edu Thu Nov 8 17:33:09 2001 From: ra67 at umail.umd.edu (Robin Albert) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Hot Legal Issues Workshop -- DC area Message-ID: <3BEB0825.12D1C366@umail.umd.edu> Are you concerned about the effects of the USA Patriot Act in your library? Do you want to know how the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) can be used in the current war effort? For these questions and more: The College of Information Studies University of Maryland presents: Top 10 Legal Issues for 2001 This seminar will provide a cutting edge survey of recent laws and judicial decisions that are essential knowledge for information professionals. What are the key information related issues presented by the war on terrorism that must be understood by Information Professionals? Whether information architect, manager, user, librarian or archivist, you must maintain a current awareness of these critical legal issues. Other topics for this session may include: Information Security – National Security Espionage to Commercial Theft Information Systems Security – Computer Fraud and Abuse Act & FBI initiatives Traditional Copyright & the Napster litigation The DMC & the Reimerdes litigation Licensing, UCITA and database legislation Censorship – CIPA and other Immediate Chanllenges Privacy and the Commercial Environment Privacy and the Medical Environment Civil Litigation in the Information Age Making Electronic Records and E-Government work We will use these issues, as well as the latest in judicial decisions, for collaborative discussions and to formulate key management strategies for your professional success Date: November 27, 2001, 9:00 am - 4:00 pm Location: 2111 Stamp Union, UMD, College Park, MD Registration Fee: $145 (includes lunch) CEUs: .6 Instructor: Lee S. Strickland, J.D., Visiting Professor, College of Information Studies and Senior Intelligence Officer, CIA. Please visit our web site at www.clis.umd.edu/ce/ for additional workshops and registration form or contact Robin Albert @ 301-405-2057 **************************************************** REGISTRATION FORM: (check appropriate workshop) _____ Top Legal Issues for 2001 Send completed form with payment to: Continuing Education Program 4105 Hornbake South, CLIS, UMD College Park, MD 20742 or FAX to 301-314-9145 ___ Check here if you wish to receive continuing education credit (CEUs) Name: Organization: Address: Phone: Fax: Email: Method of Payment: Check (payable to University of Maryland) Credit Card: VISA MasterCard Discover Credit Card#: Expiration Date: Cardholder's Name/Phone: Signature: -- ÿWPCŸ ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From araby at unr.edu Thu Nov 8 17:52:02 2001 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection References: Message-ID: <00b401c168a7$fb640db0$493cc586@greenea> This may not be applicable to your situation, but with IIS and ASP, you can get the visitor's IP address using: Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR") To detect if the person is on campus, you might extract the first part of the address: strUserIP = (Left(Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR"),8)) If (strUserIP = "134.197.") Then strUserLoc="OnCampus" Else strUserLoc="OffCampus" End If In a Perl script, you could use: $ip = "$ENV{REMOTE_ADDR}"; Hope this helps, Araby Greene ________________________ Araby Greene araby@unr.edu Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 Univ. of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Barclay" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection > Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP > address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? > > Donald A. Barclay > Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics > Houston Academy of Medicine-- > Texas Medical Center Library > dbarclay@library.tmc.edu > 713.799.7120 > > always the beautiful answer > who asks a more beautiful question > --e.e. cummings From Robin.Zalben at alverno.edu Tue Nov 6 12:44:35 2001 From: Robin.Zalben at alverno.edu (Robin Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer auditing software Message-ID: <8AAD31CF6E18D5118D2800B0D020739961ECC9@exchsrv1.alverno.edu> We do use Pcounter with NT (Windows 2000 Server and Windows 98 machines). it works well for us. For the security minded, it does show you the names of every document printed (but you can delete the logs regularly). There have been a few quirks, but it has worked very well. Robin Zalben PC Specialist Alverno College -----Original Message----- From: Dale Goodell - WOU Library [mailto:goodeld@wou.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer auditing software Another product worthy of consideration is PCounter ( http://www.pcounter.com ) We run this, in cooperation with our University Computing Services, on our campus Novell network, so I don't know about NT. ----Dale > Although I work in a small high school with a few networked (NT) printers, > getting students to pay for printing is a hassle, so I am considering software > that will monitor student printing and disable their printing rights when they > have exceeded their allotment. > > First, is anyone using software like this with which they are pleased? > > Second, I have found a company selling a product called PrintControl (at: > http://www.northern.net/printControl/). Does anyone have any experience with > this product? ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell Information Technology Consultant Computer Services Unit Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 E-mail: goodeld@wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu Thu Nov 8 18:30:57 2001 From: Karen.Harker at UTSouthwestern.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IP Address Detection Message-ID: Of course, this does not take into account multiple ranges. That is why we were forced to use a database. Karen R. Harker, MLS UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75390-9049 214-648-1698 http://www.swmed.edu/library/ >>> Araby Greene 11/8/01 4:58:58 PM >>> This may not be applicable to your situation, but with IIS and ASP, you can get the visitor's IP address using: Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR") To detect if the person is on campus, you might extract the first part of the address: strUserIP = (Left(Request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR"),8)) If (strUserIP = "134.197.") Then strUserLoc="OnCampus" Else strUserLoc="OffCampus" End If In a Perl script, you could use: $ip = "$ENV{REMOTE_ADDR}"; Hope this helps, Araby Greene ________________________ Araby Greene araby@unr.edu Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 Univ. of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Barclay" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection > Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP > address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? > > Donald A. Barclay > Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics > Houston Academy of Medicine-- > Texas Medical Center Library > dbarclay@library.tmc.edu > 713.799.7120 > > always the beautiful answer > who asks a more beautiful question > --e.e. cummings ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Nov 8 19:36:45 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Collection procedures Message-ID: <0c8401c168b6$9d590cc0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> I am looking for examples of collection management procedures for collections of Internet resources. The examples I am most interested in are selection and weeding. I'm particularly interested in procedures that establish cycles of selection and weeding distributed across topic areas ("topic" could be anything from locally-derived categories to DDC to LC to... however you slice the pie) and shared among several or many staff. To add the Boolean "nots" for this message, I'm not looking for procedures for evaluating or describing resources, or for tools for locating resources; nor am I seeking policy. I'm honing in on the actual division and generation of labor that results in the systematic creation and maintenance of local records or links to Internet resources. Thanks in advance-- ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet Information You Can Trust! http://lii.org ---------------------------------------------- From wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu Thu Nov 8 19:42:07 2001 From: wfrost at husky.bloomu.edu (William Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PC Magazine test of Linux/Win2K Message-ID: John's link is to the Red Hat news release. The article itself is on pp. 12-128. Bill William J. Frost Webmaster/Database Coordinator Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania fros@bloomu.edu 570-389-4126 >>> John Creech - 11/7/01 4:03 PM >>> For anyone who's interested, the Nov. 13 issue of _PC Magazine_ tested Red Hat Linux against Windows 2000. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011105/52110_1.html John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Nov 8 21:28:04 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:01 2005 Subject: Job Opening Message-ID: <0ca701c168c6$2c2ec340$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> St. Charles Parish Public Library Systems Administration Librarian Luling, LA Description: Evaluation, planning, implementation, maintenance and upgrading of library automation, networking (LAN and WAN), Internet, Web page, WebPAC, and applications software. Evaluation and selection of subscription databases and Web links. Monitors and maintains maintenance contracts. Plans and coordinates training of staff and patrons. Plans, implements, and maintains computer security. Supervises one computer specialist. Qualifications: ALA accredited Master's degree. Experience managing library automation (Dynix experience preferred). Knowledge of networking, Internet and software applications. Ability to master new computer hardware and software. Ability to diagnose and solve hardware, software, and networking problems. Excellent oral and written communication skills. Starting Salary: $35,018 - $37,161 depending upon qualifications Benefits: Vacation, Holidays, Sick Leave, Retirement, Insurance The Library: St. Charles Parish Library is a parish(county)wide public library system consisting of two regional libraries, two small branches (with a third under construction), a bookmobile and a planetarium. Since 1989, the Library has been automated using the Dynix automation for cataloging, circulation, and public access. Since 1994, the Library has had Internet access, which was expanded in 1998 to include all branches. Popular software applications are also available for use by the public. The library participates in a statewide network that provides access to a variety of subscription databases. In addition, the Library is part of a statewide interlibrary loan system that operates through the Internet. The Community: St. Charles Parish is a mix of small towns and rural areas adjacent to the New Orleans metropolitan area (25 miles from downtown New Orleans), with a population of 48,000. Deadline: This position is available immediately. Applications will be reviewed as they are received. Applications will be accepted until the position is filled. How to Apply: Send resume and references to St. Charles Parish Library, P. O. Box 949, Luling, LA 70070. From Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV Fri Nov 9 07:35:40 2001 From: Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV (Andrea.Cheney@USPTO.GOV) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: FW: netlibrary update Message-ID: <8D41CD9393D61B4193D5892E1C455B6C29F792@uspto-is-109.uspto.gov> FYI. --andrea cheney ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Subject: (Fwd) FW: From LJ Academic Newswire 11/8/01 CONCERN MOUNTS AS NETLIBRARY ROYALTY CHECKS BOUNCE Concern is rising among university press directors this week, as royalty checks, issued to some university presses for their licensed e-books, bounced. Thomas Bacher, director of the Purdue University Press confirmed that his press's royalty check from the cash-strapped e-book provider failed to clear. "And the check wasn't for a large amount," noted Bacher. Bacher said the check was for less than $100. While concerned about the bounced royalty check, however, Bacher expressed even graver concerns about netLibrary's somewhat murky "escrow" agreement with OCLC to distribute CD-ROM copies of e-books to some libraries in the event of netLibrary's demise. "My content agreement with netLibrary allows for their distribution of our books via the Internet," said Bacher. "It doesn't allow for the burning of CD-ROMS." Bacher says he is concerned over the copyright implications associated with issuing CD-ROMS. "I understand that libraries bought these books," says Bacher, but added that he was uneasy over the idea of unauthorized CD-ROM copies of his press' books. Further complicating matters, noted Bacher, his netLibrary agreement affords Purdue University Press the option of withdrawing their content from netLibrary after three years. Marge Gammon, netLibrary senior director of marketing, said she was unaware of any university presses with bounced checks, but conceded that publishers who did not cash checks before October 15 might have run into trouble. "When our cash flow problem became apparent, the bank froze the company's assets," explained Gammon, who said that future payouts and restitution for any bounced checks would now need to be reviewed on a case by case basis. As for Bacher's concerns over the issuing of CD-ROMS in case of netLibrary failing to find new financing or a buyer, Gammon said that whatever contracts were in place with individual presses would be honored--meaning that if a publisher did not grant the right for its work to be reproduced on CD- ROM, then that press's books would not be part of the OCLC plan. It was not clear how many of netLibrary's partners would be contractually ineligible for the OCLC back-up plan. Some of these worries may remain in the realm of the hypothetical. Gammon said the company was doing its best to continue its operations and noted that talks with an unnamed potential buyer could be finished as early as this week. "We're talking days, not weeks," said Gammon. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From wbarnes at husky.bloomu.edu Fri Nov 9 08:01:08 2001 From: wbarnes at husky.bloomu.edu (William Barnes) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection Message-ID: We do this in PHP, works like a champ! Here is a code snippet: Thanks! --Bill ******************************************* * Bill Barnes, RHCE, CCNA, CNA, MCP, A+ * Library Network Administrator * Harvey A. Andruss Library * Bloomsburg University * ph: 570-389-2813 * e-mail: wbarnes@bloomu.edu ******************************************* >>> "Donald Barclay" 11/08/01 04:45PM >>> Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? Donald A. Barclay Assistant Director for Systems and Informatics Houston Academy of Medicine-- Texas Medical Center Library dbarclay@library.tmc.edu 713.799.7120 always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question --e.e. cummings From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 9 08:55:40 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection References: Message-ID: <00b101c16926$761adbf0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Barclay" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] IP Address Detection > Anyone know of a quick, cheap, and good way to detect a site visitor's IP > address and, based on this, direct them to a particular page on your site? > As others have made clear, there's no decent server-side technology that *couldn't* do this, so you just need to decide what technology is the best fit for your server environment. If your need is really a "this page for on-campus, that page for off-campus" arrangement, let me suggest an alternative. I'd create one dynamic page that displays the appropriate content for either group of users. Consider: you have two sets of directions for accessing databases; I'm on campus; I search in Google for this page; Google's crawler will have come from off-campus, and will display to me the URL for the off-campus directions. Contrariwise, if I receive e-mail from an off-campus friend asking for those directions, I'll probably end up sending him the on-campus URL. If both logical pages live at the same URL, both these problems are avoided. Again, any decent server-side scripting environment will handle this. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From carol.brown at wright.edu Fri Nov 9 09:10:12 2001 From: carol.brown at wright.edu (Carol Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: White Paper on Invivisible Web? References: <00b101c16926$761adbf0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <000d01c16928$3f9014e0$aba96c82@dunbar.wright.edu> I am trying to find a copy of the 40+ page pdf white paper that Bright Planet released on the Invisible Web last year from their website. I find many reference to it, but their website no longer looks like it's in existence and all the links die . . . Would anyone happen to have archived a copy of that pdf file?? Thanks Carol Brown ******************************************************** Carol Brown Assistant Head of Reference and Instruction Dunbar Library, Wright State University (937)775-3521 carol.brown@wright.edu ******************************************************** "Hope is the thing with feathers, that perches in the soul -- And sings the tune without words, and never stops -- at all." -- Emily Dickinson From carol.brown at wright.edu Fri Nov 9 09:34:29 2001 From: carol.brown at wright.edu (Carol Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: Thanks to all...[WEB4LIB] White Paper on Invivisible Web? References: <5D2A5FE013C66B44901B5A45A5304DDA01EE3A21@oa2-server.oa.oclc.org> Message-ID: <003901c1692b$a38cabe0$aba96c82@dunbar.wright.edu> I received what I needed. Thanks to everyone. As a plus, it seems Bright Planet is there after all, just a burp in the network lines this morning!! Thanks again...this is what makes a listserv such a great thing for me--everyone is there to help at a moment's notice. Carol ******************************************************** Carol Brown Assistant Head of Reference and Instruction Dunbar Library, Wright State University (937)775-3521 carol.brown@wright.edu ******************************************************** "Hope is the thing with feathers, that perches in the soul -- And sings the tune without words, and never stops -- at all." -- Emily Dickinson From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Fri Nov 9 13:10:54 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: autorun.inf? Message-ID: <310680-220011159181054140@linc.lib.il.us> Hi all - We're starting a project in which we will be burning some digitized local history videos (in quicktime format) to CD. Since we are probably going to be including multiple clips on a single CD, I thought it might be useful to create a web page to include on the CD as an index to the clips. I want the web page to load automatically when someone inserts the CD, so then they can just click the desired file name to watch a video clip. Can I do this with an autorun.inf file, or do I need to download one of the many freeware programs I see out there that are meant to launch HTML files from CD? Has anyone done this sort of thing, and what would you all recommend -- is there an easier way to create an index to the CD that I am missing? We're kind of new at this, so I'm just feeling my way through here. Thanks, - Rachel --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From WMinkel at cahners.com Fri Nov 9 12:06:07 2001 From: WMinkel at cahners.com (Minkel, Walter (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question from School Library Journal: PICS & dot-kids Message-ID: <517FA14C1A28D411BBA300508B6356440287EE6F@BINNYCEXC002> Folks-- Hi from SLJ. I'm working on a story about the renewed initiatives to establish "safe zones" for children on the Net. Last month, the Internet Content Rating Association, an industry-sponsored nonprofit, kicked off a big campaign to convince Web managers to label the content of their sites with ICRA, which generates a label based on the PICS system, which was briefly trumpeted as a system for the Net similar to movie ratings, in 1997 & '98. If you remember PICS at all, you probably know that the system has been all but ignored since '98. Also, there's a bill in the House of Representatives right now (H.R. 2417) that will try to force ICANN to establish a "dot-kids" top-level domain. (If you remember, last year ICANN refused to establish .kids, saying that the definition of a "child" varied from country to country, among other reasons). The National Telecommunications & Information Administration of the Commerce Department has supported an amendment to establish instead a "kids.us" domain, which would be easier to manage. My question to anyone interested in this issue: What are your feelings on the appropriateness of both the rating system and the dot-kids domain to establish a "safe zone"? How would passage of the dot-kids bill potentially affect libraries, particularly public libraries? What should companies, committees, & others worried about the "dangers of the Net" be doing instead, if anything? Please reply directly to me, with your permission to use your comments in my news story. Thanks very much, W ------------------------------ Walter Minkel, Technology Editor, School Library Journal www.slj.com * wminkel@cahners.com * 212-463-6721 * fax 212-463-6689 From bennetttm at appstate.edu Fri Nov 9 12:54:52 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] autorun.inf? In-Reply-To: <310680-220011159181054140@linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: When I was looking into the same matter I recall that you don't need third party software if you are calling an executable. I've used autostart.exe from http://www.startertool.com/ to open web pages although while searching for the starter tool site I found http://visualbasic.about.com/library/weekly/aa021201b.htm which gives you the visual basic source code to create your own autostart.exe . Although their example: [autorun] open=iexplore.exe photoalbum.htm icon=photoalbum.ico shows the need for autostart.exe because you don't know if the user has iexplore or not. When I tried using open that way on a machine that did have iexplore.exe, autorun did not work on win 9x but did on win2k. It is also my understanding that this will not autostart on MAC. You may also want to look at Autorun.inf Commands at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/shellcc/pla tform/Shell/Shell_basics/Autoplay_cmds.asp Note: the url above will wrap on some email viewers and that's why you get an error. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Rachel Singer Gordon Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] autorun.inf? Hi all - We're starting a project in which we will be burning some digitized local history videos (in quicktime format) to CD. Since we are probably going to be including multiple clips on a single CD, I thought it might be useful to create a web page to include on the CD as an index to the clips. I want the web page to load automatically when someone inserts the CD, so then they can just click the desired file name to watch a video clip. Can I do this with an autorun.inf file, or do I need to download one of the many freeware programs I see out there that are meant to launch HTML files from CD? Has anyone done this sort of thing, and what would you all recommend -- is there an easier way to create an index to the CD that I am missing? We're kind of new at this, so I'm just feeling my way through here. Thanks, - Rachel --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From CRivers at wschiro.edu Fri Nov 9 14:01:08 2001 From: CRivers at wschiro.edu (Rivers, Claire) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: copyright and digital images Message-ID: <29FCB7E98583D411910100D0B78EC14D3E8B63@WSCC_EXCH> I've been asked by the clinical faculty to get the copyright guidelines for digital images. The end desire is to build an image bank of public domain and, if necessary, purchased images, on the faculty intranet for the use of all faculty in Powerpoint presentations, class notes, and continuing education materials. The continuing education materials are "sold" by the college. Can anyone point me toward good places to begin educating myself and the faculty on the issues? I would also appreciate pointers toward any anatomical, x-ray, etc.. public domain image banks. Please reply directly to me. I will summarize for the list if there is any interest. TIA Claire Rivers Director, Learning Resources Western States Chiropractic College From Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu Fri Nov 9 15:11:57 2001 From: Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu (Beers, Lonna) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] White Paper on Invivisible Web? Message-ID: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A01F76A7E@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> The papers are located here http://www.brightplanet.com/deepcontent/index.asp -----Original Message----- From: Carol Brown [mailto:carol.brown@wright.edu] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] White Paper on Invivisible Web? I am trying to find a copy of the 40+ page pdf white paper that Bright Planet released on the Invisible Web last year from their website. I find many reference to it, but their website no longer looks like it's in existence and all the links die . . . Would anyone happen to have archived a copy of that pdf file?? Thanks Carol Brown ******************************************************** Carol Brown Assistant Head of Reference and Instruction Dunbar Library, Wright State University (937)775-3521 carol.brown@wright.edu ******************************************************** "Hope is the thing with feathers, that perches in the soul -- And sings the tune without words, and never stops -- at all." -- Emily Dickinson From courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Nov 9 15:45:48 2001 From: courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Martin Courtois) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: Error Messages from Extreme Tracker In-Reply-To: <69DB2122006FD511AE44009027406B240128EA@EXCHANGE_LIB> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded with possible solution for error messages generated by Extreme Tracker in IE. We have a form on our home page that had the same name as one of the variables defined in the Extreme Tracker script. We changed the form name and now everything's ok. Thanks again, Marty *********************************************************** Martin Courtois Science/Engineering Librarian Gelman Library George Washington University 2130 H St., N.W. Washington DC 20052 Phone: (202) 994-0684 FAX: (202) 463-6205 E-mail: courtois@gwu.edu On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, McCoy, Thomas wrote: > courtois@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu > > I get no errors when I create a page with only the tracker. Perhaps > something else on the page is interfering? > > Sincerely, > Thomas McCoy > Web Development Specialist > > Visit the newly re-designed site at > http://www.city.newport-beach.ca.us/nbpl/ > From lislemck at netscape.net Fri Nov 9 15:46:31 2001 From: lislemck at netscape.net (Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: Oops. Web-Wise, not Web-Sense Message-ID: <2EAE79FB.1C834F00.00A08978@netscape.net> My apologies for reposting. I got the conference name wrong yesterday, proving once again that I have neither wisdom nor sense (at least not after noon), web or otherwise... The Web-Wise conference was co-sponsored by the IMLS and First Monday in 2000 and 2001--anybody know any new dates or sites???? Your help greatly appreciated in advance, as always. -- Elizabeth J. McKenty Library Coordinator The Office of Public Service Support Free Library of Philadelphia mckentye@excen.library.phila.gov lislemck@netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Fri Nov 9 18:12:19 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: Library Journal opens up access Message-ID: Web4Lib readers may be interested to know that the free registration process that prevented users from directly accessing content on the Library Journal site has been removed. Registration is no longer required, which therefore allows "deep linking" without an onerous registration process. Here is a clear case of user feedback making a difference! Roy From raywood at magma.ca Fri Nov 9 19:28:13 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Journal opens up access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011109182813.A545@magma.ca> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:13:30PM -0800, Roy Tennant imagined: > Web4Lib readers may be interested to know that the free registration > process that prevented users from directly accessing content on the > Library Journal site has been removed. Registration is no longer > required, which therefore allows "deep linking" without an onerous > registration process. Here is a clear case of user feedback making a > difference! > Roy I certainly am interested - way to go Library Journal! Raymond (a real live [cyber]librarian :) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "If you continue running Windows, your system may become unstable" -- Windows 95 BSOD ("Blue Screen of Death") <-- now unsupported by M$ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From latham1 at students.uiuc.edu Fri Nov 9 22:47:51 2001 From: latham1 at students.uiuc.edu (Joyce M. Latham) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Journal opens up access References: Message-ID: <3BECA367.D4261BEB@students.uiuc.edu> Hooo-ray! Joyce Roy Tennant wrote: > > Web4Lib readers may be interested to know that the free registration > process that prevented users from directly accessing content on the > Library Journal site has been removed. Registration is no longer > required, which therefore allows "deep linking" without an onerous > registration process. Here is a clear case of user feedback making a > difference! > Roy -- Joyce M. Latham GSLIS -- University of Illinois "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightened people; there is only enlightened activity." Suzuki Roshi From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Nov 10 12:16:34 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:04 2005 Subject: Anyone using outsourced LISTSERV? Message-ID: <0dd701c16a0b$75676760$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> The Web-related hook is "the need for discussion lists that offer Web-accessible archives," but the question is whether any of you folks use outsourced services such as L-Soft to host discussion lists, and if so, which ones you recommend. ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet Information You Can Trust! http://lii.org ---------------------------------------------- From calumet at Mindspring.com Sat Nov 10 12:25:19 2001 From: calumet at Mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Anyone using outsourced LISTSERV? In-Reply-To: <0dd701c16a0b$75676760$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011110122243.021da740@pop.mindspring.com> At 12:20 PM 11/10/2001, Karen G. Schneider wrote: >The Web-related hook is "the need for discussion lists that offer >Web-accessible archives," but the question is whether any of you folks >use outsourced services such as L-Soft to host discussion lists, and if >so, which ones you recommend. I use Lyris for ResearchBuzz and SparkLIST for ResearchBuzz Extra. I like Lyris okay, but they increased their prices so much I wouldn't recommend them now. SparkLIST is good. They're a small enough company that if you have a problem someone tends to get back to you pretty quickly. They have a lot of bells n' whistles that I don't use, but they get the job done. Tara From coffmanfyi at earthlink.net Sat Nov 10 23:43:55 2001 From: coffmanfyi at earthlink.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:04 2005 Subject: LSSI Showcases Brand New Version of Virtual Reference Software at the VRD 2001 Conference in Orlando Message-ID: <20011111044356.30654.qmail@earthlink.net> Friends, Colleagues and Fellow Librarians The LSSI Virtual Reference Team is proud to announce the release of Version 2.0 of our top-ranked Virtual Reference Software at the VRD 2001 Conference in Orlando. Version 2.0 is a major new release of the software, providing powerful new functionality, and enhancements of already powerful features. Building on to the library world?s most widely-used virtual reference tool set will help make virtual reference easier for all of us and for our patrons, including . A new Reference Desk feature that allows you to easily work with multiple patrons at the same time, just as you might at the physical reference desk. . The ability to start and stop Interact Database Co-browsing in the middle of a reference session. Using this feature, you can use the basic features of the software to share general web content with the patron, and invoke the specialized Interact Database Co-browsing tool without disruption or loss of place, and put it away when you are done. . Pointers in Interact. The librarian has the ability to use a pointer to highlight sections on a Web page on the patrons screen. If the highlighted section is not in view, the patron's screen is scrolled to the highlighted location. . Spelling check in chat. Those of you who have spent any time behind a virtual reference desk will especially appreciate this one. . Automatic queue forwarding. This feature allows you to automatically forward a queue to another queue ... this could be particularly useful in reference collaborative where a library may monitor its own reference traffic during regular business hours, but forward it another library or to an after-hours service like LSSI's 24/7 Web Reference Center after closing. . Full administrative control. Each library now has full administrative control over its own installation. Of course, one of the great advantages of LSSI VRS software has always been that each library has its own custom installation and you don't share the software, your database or your patron information with anybody else ... unless you want to. However, up until now, you've had to ask our technical staff to for help when you wanted to change things like your patron login screens, wait messages and other system configurations. In Version 2.0 each library now has access to all of these system settings and you can change and modify them on your own, any time you want. Of course, if you need help, Shirley Shasteen and the rest of our technical team, will be happy to give you a hand, as always. . Completely Redesigned Report Module. Version 2.0 features a whole variety of brand new reports, and reporting features like the ability to schedule reports to run automatically, the ability to maintain a report archive on the server so you can compare data over time, and much more. Those of you in charge of maintaining and analyzing reference statistics will love these new features. . Librarian Status Monitor. The Librarian Status Monitor is now accessible throughout the system so you can check and see which of our colleagues are online at any time. . Improved database authentication through EZProxy. As many of you know, LSSI and EZProxy co-designed and created an IP database authentication system that will work with virtual reference. Release 2.0 of LSSI?s VRS Software has added some significant new safeguards to prevent unauthorized users from accessing your databases in virtual reference sessions. And there is much more ... far too much to detail here. So if you'd like to see what the next step in Virtual Reference software looks like, come by the first annual LSSI Virtual Reference Services Users Gathering this Sunday in Salon 5 of the Rosen Plaza Hotel, from 6:00pm to 9:00pm at the VRD Conference. Or, come see us at the Conference Exhibits, Booths 6 & 7 on Monday and Tuesday. We look forward to seeing you all in Orlando, If you can?t make it to Orlando, we?ll be pleased to send you copies of the material distributed there, and discuss arrangements for your own virtual demonstration of this remarkable advance in Virtual Reference Services. Just call or email us. Sincerely, Steve Coffman, Kay Henshall, Michelle Fiander, Laurel Yatzo, Arthur Brady, and all your other colleagues on the LSSI Virtual Reference Team. -- From Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca Tue Nov 13 07:05:53 2001 From: Marian.Dworaczek at usask.ca (Marian Dworaczek) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information Message-ID: <013b01c16c3b$8b5a3660$154ae980@usask.ca> The November 15, 2001 edition of the "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" and the accompanying "Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. This edition includes 1,415 titles. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction, which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography, is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been crossposted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek *Head, Acquisitions Department *University of Saskatchewan Library *E-mail: marian.dworaczek@usask.ca *Phone: (306) 966-6016 *Fax: (306) 966-5919 *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Nov 13 08:40:02 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources o f Information Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B921@mail1.morrisville.edu> Good resource. Too bad it is not truly searchable as a database. I am surprised it isn't considering the expertise available at the University of Saskatchewan. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From kmazur at htls.lib.il.us Tue Nov 13 09:50:29 2001 From: kmazur at htls.lib.il.us (Kathy Mazur) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: OCR Software Message-ID: <000101c16c52$8987c8e0$5501000a@sunnydale.htls.org> Hello, I'm looking for recommendations for OCR software. After researching several packages I am unclear what makes some cost so much more than others (for example OmniPage Pro is $500 and FineReader Pro is $110). Do you have any good or bad experiences with recent versions of OCR software? I need the software to save documents to Word and pdf formats. Kathy Mazur Internet Services Administrator Heritage Trail Library System http://www.htls.lib.il.us (815) 729-3345 x126 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jbiquez at icsmx.com Tue Nov 13 10:07:35 2001 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Live Video and Audio In-Reply-To: <000101c16c52$8987c8e0$5501000a@sunnydale.htls.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113090230.04d40700@icsmx.com> Hello all. I was wondering if you could share your experiences on implementing live real and videos streaming. We have a project where we want to transmit videos with previous classes , conferences or any important information to people who missed it. We have seen similar things using Quicktime, Real Video/Audio or the similar Microsoft Technology (forgot the name of the product sorry). We have the budget for the software already but we want to invest in the best solution. Can Anyone share their experiences? Thanks in advance. LSCA. Jorge Enrique Biquez Alvarez Integracion de Comercio y Servicios http://www.icsmx.com jbiquez@icsmx.com Homero 1610 PB Col. Los Morales Polanco CP 11510 (frente a Pabellon Polanco) Mexico DF MEXICO Tels. +525 2821012, +525 2820779, +525 2820289 From m.napier at ukoln.ac.uk Tue Nov 13 10:24:06 2001 From: m.napier at ukoln.ac.uk (Marieke Napier) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Live Video and Audio References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113090230.04d40700@icsmx.com> Message-ID: <011301c16c57$3bf808b0$d413268a@ulpcmn> Dear Jorge You might find the following two articles recently published in Cultivate Interactive useful. An Introduction to Streaming Video: David Cunningham and Neil Francis report on the technologies available, as well as some of the problems encountered when trying to stream video content across the Internet. http://www.cultivate-int.org/issue4/video/ Streaming Video: A Look Behind The Scenes: Jim Strom gives us a behind the scenes look at what can be achieved with streaming video using a number of examples and case studies. http://www.cultivate-int.org/issue4/scenes/ Regards Marieke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Biquez" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Live Video and Audio > Hello all. > > I was wondering if you could share your experiences on implementing live > real and videos streaming. > We have a project where we want to transmit videos with previous classes , > conferences or any important information to people who missed it. > > We have seen similar things using Quicktime, Real Video/Audio or the > similar Microsoft Technology (forgot the name of the product sorry). > We have the budget for the software already but we want to invest in the > best solution. > > Can Anyone share their experiences? > > Thanks in advance. > > > LSCA. Jorge Enrique Biquez Alvarez > Integracion de Comercio y Servicios > http://www.icsmx.com > jbiquez@icsmx.com > > Homero 1610 PB > Col. Los Morales Polanco > CP 11510 (frente a Pabellon Polanco) > Mexico DF > MEXICO > Tels. +525 2821012, +525 2820779, +525 2820289 > > From spober at manhattan.edu Tue Nov 13 12:06:32 2001 From: spober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Clean sweep vs. deep freeze Message-ID: <3BF15318.2AD1@manhattan.edu> I'm looking for comparisons of the Winselect product Deep Freeze as compared to the Fortres Grand product Clean Sweep. They are similar in functionality. Has anyone on the list tried both and have a strong preference? Or have you used one of these products and found any particular problems or bugs with that one? Thanks in advance. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries Riverdale, NY 10471 http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From bsargeant at ci.springfield.or.us Tue Nov 13 12:23:00 2001 From: bsargeant at ci.springfield.or.us (SARGEANT Brad) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Clean sweep vs. deep freeze Message-ID: <200111131728.JAA20501@webjunction.org> I have not used Clean Sweep, but have been using Deep Freeze for several years and it works as advertised. I have never had a problem with it. Brad Sargeant Springfield Public Library Springfield, OR 541-726-2236 >>> Stacy Pober 11/13/01 09:10AM >>> I'm looking for comparisons of the Winselect product Deep Freeze as compared to the Fortres Grand product Clean Sweep. They are similar in functionality. Has anyone on the list tried both and have a strong preference? Or have you used one of these products and found any particular problems or bugs with that one? Thanks in advance. -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries Riverdale, NY 10471 http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From spober at manhattan.edu Tue Nov 13 12:30:46 2001 From: spober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Clean SLATE vs. Deep Freeze Message-ID: <3BF158C6.42DB@manhattan.edu> Re-posted with correct product name (oops!) I'm looking for comparisons of the Winselect product Deep Freeze as compared to the Fortres Grand product Clean Slate. They are similar in functionality. Has anyone on the list tried both and have a strong preference? Or have you used one of these products and found any particular problems or bugs with that one? -- Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries Riverdale, NY 10471 http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ From brian at sigh.mse.jhu.edu Tue Nov 13 12:32:16 2001 From: brian at sigh.mse.jhu.edu (Brian Harrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Oops. Web-Wise, not Web-Sense In-Reply-To: <2EAE79FB.1C834F00.00A08978@netscape.net> References: <2EAE79FB.1C834F00.00A08978@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4740756.1005654736@[10.0.1.15]> --On Friday, November 9, 2001 12:52 PM -0800 "Elizabeth J. McKenty a.k.a. Lisle" wrote: > My apologies for reposting. I got the conference name wrong yesterday, > proving once again that I have neither wisdom nor sense (at least not > after noon), web or otherwise... > > The Web-Wise conference was co-sponsored by the IMLS and First Monday in > 2000 and 2001--anybody know any new dates or sites???? The next one is March 20-22, here at JHU. I'll post more details as they become available. -- Brian -- Brian Harrington Milton S. Eisenhower Library The Johns Hopkins University brian@sigh.mse.jhu.edu From LJones at UMHB.edu Tue Nov 13 14:16:23 2001 From: LJones at UMHB.edu (Jones, Lisa) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Antivirus Software for Windows 2000 Server Message-ID: I am looking for an easy and cheap antivirus software that can be used on a WIN2000 server. This server's only job at this time is as a web server. I have used the Inoculate products in the past but would like to try something more geared toward a single web server. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Lisa Jones Library Systems Administrator University of Mary Hardin Baylor Townsend Memorial Library 900 College Street Box 8016 Belton Texas 76513 877-316-3313 ljones@umhb.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From jbiquez at icsmx.com Tue Nov 13 14:36:45 2001 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Antivirus Software for Windows 2000 Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113132830.0429a100@icsmx.com> At 11:18 13/11/01 -0800, you wrote: > >I am looking for an easy and cheap antivirus software that can be used on a >WIN2000 server. This server's only job at this time is as a web server. I >have used the Inoculate products in the past but would like to try something >more geared toward a single web server. > >Thanks in advance for any ideas. > >Lisa Jones >Library Systems Administrator >University of Mary Hardin Baylor >Townsend Memorial Library >900 College Street Box 8016 >Belton Texas 76513 >877-316-3313 >ljones@umhb.edu > > > >********************************************************************* >Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, >this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there >to a plain text message. >********************************************************************* Hello. After making a reserach on all the options of Antivirus software I decided to buy this one: http://www.fsecure.com/ Just the best for the price. JB From christina at highpointcreative.com Tue Nov 13 14:40:35 2001 From: christina at highpointcreative.com (Christina Soderstrom) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: New to the list Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113132545.02594170@mail.a-d-ventures.com> Hi everyone, I'm new to the Web4Lib list and I wanted to introduce myself. I'm a MLIS student at the College of St. Catherine in St. Paul, Minnesota and I'm especially interested in Internet development and it's relationship to libraries. I am also a writer for a marketing communications company, and a lot of my work pertains to the web or other technical issues. So here I am! I'd like to learn more about what all of you are doing. If anyone is interested in trading some e-mails about jobs and careers, please e-mail me directly. I'm curious about the realm of possibilities. Thanks. I look forward to a wealth of information! Christina Soderstrom Christina Soderstrom Senior Creative Associate/IT Specialist High Point Creative, LLC www.HighPointCreative.com Phone: 651-646-6353 Fax: 651-646-6351 From Carole.Noble at senecac.on.ca Tue Nov 13 14:41:08 2001 From: Carole.Noble at senecac.on.ca (Carole Noble) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Library Intranets Message-ID: <3BF17754.9C668D6D@senecac.on.ca> We are considering creating an intranet for library staff and would like to have a look at intranets designed by other libraries. Does anyone have or know of an intranet that we would be able to have a look at? Carole Noble ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From rkneale at gemini.edu Tue Nov 13 14:51:08 2001 From: rkneale at gemini.edu (Ruth Kneale) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Intranets References: <3BF17754.9C668D6D@senecac.on.ca> Message-ID: <3BF179AC.B7C72B76@gemini.edu> Carole Noble wrote: > We are considering creating an intranet for library staff and would like > to have a look at intranets designed by other libraries. Does anyone > have or know of an intranet that we would be able to have a look at? Carole, I'd like to help you out - I've designed and now administer and maintain our intranet, but it's firewalled so invisible to non-staff. I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have, though. Ruth -- Ruth A. Kneale Got books? Gemini/JAC Librarian rkneale@gemini.edu From ladyhawk at well.com Tue Nov 13 14:59:39 2001 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Intranets In-Reply-To: <3BF17754.9C668D6D@senecac.on.ca> Message-ID: <3BF1355B.16659.11F4D48@localhost> I believe you will find useful links in the Tech Note I wrote for PLA at http://www.pla.org/technotes/intranet.html GraceAnne DeCandido Carole Noble wrote on 13 Nov 2001, about [WEB4LIB] Library Intranets > We are considering creating an intranet for library staff > and would like to have a look at intranets designed by > other libraries. Does anyone have or know of an intranet > that we would be able to have a look at? > > Carole Noble GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html Writing is exciting, and baseball is like writing. You can never tell with either how it will go. Marianne Moore From holight at llcoop.org Tue Nov 13 15:00:19 2001 From: holight at llcoop.org (Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library Intranets References: <3BF179AC.B7C72B76@gemini.edu> Message-ID: <3BF17BD3.E17694BE@llcoop.org> Carole. How big is you library? And are you going to running off a web server or plain file server? Herrick is a medium sized library and our intranet runs off our file server. For Now. You are limited in some respects but have a more secure environment. You can use most of the same tools and html coding. And I think a good way to start. That is using the file server and not web server first. Unless you have a full blown IT dept and staff. If you want I can send you a couple of pages. Lin Ruth Kneale wrote: > Carole Noble wrote: > > > We are considering creating an intranet for library staff and would like > > to have a look at intranets designed by other libraries. Does anyone > > have or know of an intranet that we would be able to have a look at? > > Carole, I'd like to help you out - I've designed and now administer and > maintain our intranet, but it's firewalled so invisible to non-staff. I'd > be happy to answer any questions you might have, though. > > Ruth > -- > Ruth A. Kneale Got books? > Gemini/JAC Librarian > rkneale@gemini.edu -- Lin Light Head of Technical Services/Automation Herrick District Library 300 S. River Ave. Holland, MI 49423 llight@llcoop.org Voice-616.355.3727 Fax-616.355.1426 From bennetttm at appstate.edu Tue Nov 13 15:17:04 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Antivirus Software for Windows 2000 Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just found this yesterday and they are offering it free to schools and no profit orgs. AVG Antivirus Professional, they also have a free edition you can load at home and at work as long as both are not being used at the same time. http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_donation.html Command Anti Virus [CAV] from http://www.commandsoftware.com/index.cfm is priced very low(or was) for educational use and is updated very often. AVG Antivirus Reviews: http://www.claymania.com/rate-avg.html "updates are monthly but there are sometimes exceptions, e.g.VBS/VBSWG@MM (Anna Kournikova) detection was released very quickly, however, in AVG's defense the Heuristic scanning engine is quite good and may protect from some newer viruses." http://www.vnunet.com/Download/1123822 "Split into three sections and a Control Centre, AVG Anti-virus protects against viruses in a number of key areas. The Resident Shield works in the background and checks all files and file types (including floppy disk, CD content etc) for viruses, whilst the AVG email scanner works with Microsoft Exchange and Outlook to prevent the most prolific of viruses infiltrating your PC. The AVG Boot-up Scanner operates at start-up, and checks the most important areas of a PC before you begin to use it." http://www.virusbtn.com/100/vb100sum.html A table look at the Grisoft AVG line http://www.mg.co.za/pc/download/bestindex.htm "Following the demise of InoculateIT as freeware, AVG Antivirus is probably the best all-round virus scanner and email protector for which you don't have to pay." Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Jones, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Antivirus Software for Windows 2000 Server I am looking for an easy and cheap antivirus software that can be used on a WIN2000 server. This server's only job at this time is as a web server. I have used the Inoculate products in the past but would like to try something more geared toward a single web server. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Lisa Jones Library Systems Administrator University of Mary Hardin Baylor Townsend Memorial Library 900 College Street Box 8016 Belton Texas 76513 877-316-3313 ljones@umhb.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From kiehl at hawaii.edu Tue Nov 13 16:27:50 2001 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf - November 2001 Message-ID: Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf - November 2001 The November 2001 edition of Peter's Digital Reference Shelf is now available on the Gale Group website. This month Peter reviews: 1) the CD-ROM version of _Ulrich's International Periodicals_ database, pointing out the voluminous errors of commission and omission in this $850 stalwart resource and 2) _PubList _, the free subset of Ulrich's. Although it inherits the problems of the original database, it does not offer features that may otherwise cripple searches, e.g. searching by price, circulation, LC classification codes which are only available/searchable in 20-50% of the records. These in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. His column is available free of charge to all users at: http://www.galegroup.com/reference/reference.htm See the Archives for databases previously reviewed: Profusion the Cultural Profiles Project Columbia World of Quotations Yahoo! Reference Atomica 2.1 DealTime.com Expedia Travelocity CyberAtlas Penguin New English Dictionary ADAM Medical Encyclopedia Comparative Religions on File Adflip Canadian Encyclopedia Online Awesome Library Librarian's Index to the Internet TechEncyclopedia Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary Artcylopedia Sports Rules on File Nolo Law Dictionary Nolo Legal Encyclopedia CIA World Factbook 2000 GuruNet reference suite InteliHealth version of the Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary Columbia Dictionary of Quotations Nobel Prize List Zagat Survey Encyclopaedia of the Orient Bowker's Complete Video Directory Simpson's Contemporary Quotations Online Columbia Encyclopedia 2000 (6th edition) Cambridge Dictionary of American English Choice Reviews Online. Oxford English Dictionary Online. New Millennium Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Funk & Wagnalls Knowledge Center Biography Resource Center Biography.com Biographical Dictionary Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) American Heritage Dictionary Deluxe Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary WWWebster Dictionary Encarta World English Dictionary Encarta Africana 2000 Britannica.com Grolier Multimedia Online Encyclopedia version 2 Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technology InfoNation Encarta Interactive World Atlas 2000 This notice is posted to multiple lists. Please pardon any duplicates. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Nov 13 17:19:23 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:06 2005 Subject: Opera 6b1 released Message-ID: <003801c16c91$405255c0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> For browser fans-- Opera released the first beta of its new release today. 6.0b1 is available for Windows only so far; their other platforms are only now stabilizing on 5.x. Biggest new features are Unicode support and your choice of multiple-document or single-document interfaces. Also a menu option to disable pop-up windows! Biggest PITA (aside from little new support for CSS or HTML, though that was already pretty good) is that it's a free upgrade for people who bought 5.x, but not for people who originally bought earlier releases. So even the beta is adware-or-pay if you bought 4.0 and then upgraded to 5.0. See for details. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dbell at loc.gov Fri Nov 16 08:59:31 2001 From: dbell at loc.gov (danna bell-russel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Announcement of Addition of Frederick Douglass Papers to American Memory Message-ID: <3BF51BC3.B4338D08@loc.gov> Good morning, This announcement is being sent to a number of lists. Please accept our apologies for any duplicate postings. The National Digital Library Program and the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress announce the first release of The Frederick Douglass Papers at the Library of Congress on the American Memory Collections Web site at Frederick Douglass, nineteenth-century African-American abolitionist and orator, risked his freedom after his own escape from slavery by becoming an outspoken antislavery lecturer, writer, and publisher. After he moved to New York his house became a stop on the Underground Railroad, as he and his wife helped escaped slaves fleeing to the North. During the Civil War he advised President Lincoln and recruited and helped organize regiments of African-American soldiers for the Union. After Emancipation, he continued fighting for civil rights for African Americans, but also took up the cause of rights for women and other oppressed members of society. In his later years, he served as a bank president and in several government posts, including minister to Haiti and U.S. marshal of the District of Columbia. The Frederick Douglass Papers at the Library of Congress consists primarily of the papers that were in Douglass's library when he died in 1895. The first online release of approximately 2,000 items (16,000 images) shows the wide range of his activities and interests. The printed Speech, Article and Book Series shows the writings of Douglass and his contemporaries in the abolitionist and early women's rights movements. In addition to Douglass's own publications, this presentation highlights speeches and articles by Henry Ward Beecher, Ida B. Wells, Gerrit Smith, Horace Greeley, and others. Included are handwritten drafts of Douglass's third autobiography, The Life and Times of Frederick Douglass, and a biography of Anna Murray Douglass, his wife of forty-four years, written by their daughter, Rosetta Douglass Sprague. The Subject File Series reveals Douglass's interest in diverse subjects such as politics, emancipation, racial prejudice, women's suffrage, and prison reform. Douglass's scrapbooks of newspaper articles document his role as minister to Haiti and the controversy surrounding his second marriage to Helen Pitts. The site will also feature three special presentations. An illustrated timeline will give a brief narrative of Douglass's life. A family tree will show Douglass and his relatives, and links will be provided to online texts of all three of Douglass's autobiographies. The extensive Correspondence Series is expected to be released online in 2003. Production of the online collection of the Frederick Douglass Papers was made possible by a major gift from the Citigroup Foundation. Please direct any questions to NDLPCOLL@loc.gov From jdombrow at ngs.org Fri Nov 16 10:03:39 2001 From: jdombrow at ngs.org (Janet Dombrowski) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: screen capture Message-ID: <85256B06.0052591A.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> I use a shareware program called SnagIt from Techsmith -- about $40, I think. You can download a trial from their web site. It will capture an entire document, active screen, region, etc. Very easy to use. Janet Dombrowski, Senior Librarian National Geographic Society jdombrow@ngs.org From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Nov 16 10:15:00 2001 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Christy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Frontpage Message-ID: <000501c16eb1$766ce7c0$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> Has anybody successfully installed Frontpage 2002 extensions on a Linux Redhat 7.2 computer? I need help. Driving me nuts! Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Nov 16 10:16:10 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Updated Netscape 4.08? References: <85256B06.0052591A.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> Message-ID: <3BF52DBA.45DFC6F6@tln.lib.mi.us> OK, I know I'm going to get dirty looks for mentioning this BUT.... A lot of people still use Netscape 4.08 for public internet because it is so easy to secure and people are familiar with it. But let's face it, it's a dog dealing with Java, it hasn't been updated in years and doesn't support current web standards. However, it appears that the current download available on the Netscape site has been updated. Look here: ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.08/windows/windows95_or_nt/navigator_standalone and you can see the file has been updated in the last 6 months 7/25/2001 6:14:00 AM So, I'm wondering if Netscape has done some updating to 4.08 to address some of these issues? I'm just curious as if there has been any change or this doesn't mean anything at all. Yes, I know we need to get rid of 4.08 but until Netscape/Mozilla puts out something that can be securely locked down, I think 4.08 will be hanging around for a while. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Fri Nov 16 10:44:27 2001 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Updated Netscape 4.08? References: <3BF52DBA.45DFC6F6@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <001001c16eb5$930c7e50$0100a8c0@usask.ca> > However, it appears that the current download available on the > Netscape site has been updated. Look here: > and you can see the file has been updated in the last 6 months > > 7/25/2001 6:14:00 AM It's more likely that they re-arranged the file system (or changed machines etc etc) and that's the date the file was put back into that directory. > Yes, I know we need to get rid of 4.08 but until Netscape/Mozilla > puts out something that can be securely locked down, I think 4.08 > will be hanging around for a while. So.... this probably isn't the place to mention that Netscape is an abomination (in all aspects from security to standards support) and that we've had tremendous success in securing IE 5.x and 6.x huh? - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ Information Technology Services Division, University of Saskatchewan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Nov 16 10:58:50 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Updated Netscape 4.08? References: <001001c16eb5$930c7e50$0100a8c0@usask.ca> Message-ID: <3BF537BA.9D87413E@tln.lib.mi.us> Darryl, Now that I've poked around some more, I think that you're right about NS just moving files around. They had some older directories that made it look like these might be updates but 3.04 has the same date so I don't think they've been changed. :) Yes to all of your points about Netscape 4.x. However, some people have developed an attachment to Navigator and they can't be convinced to go to IE or some other alternative.. Andrew Darryl Friesen wrote: > > However, it appears that the current download available on the > > Netscape site has been updated. Look here: > > > and you can see the file has been updated in the last 6 months > > > > 7/25/2001 6:14:00 AM > > It's more likely that they re-arranged the file system (or changed machines > etc etc) and that's the date the file was put back into that directory. > > > Yes, I know we need to get rid of 4.08 but until Netscape/Mozilla > > puts out something that can be securely locked down, I think 4.08 > > will be hanging around for a while. > > So.... this probably isn't the place to mention that Netscape is an > abomination (in all aspects from security to standards support) and that > we've had tremendous success in securing IE 5.x and 6.x huh? > > - Darryl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Education & Research Technology Services, http://gollum.usask.ca/ > Information Technology Services Division, > University of Saskatchewan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes" From jdombrow at ngs.org Fri Nov 16 11:05:15 2001 From: jdombrow at ngs.org (Janet Dombrowski) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Is there a way to prevent web pages from being cached? Message-ID: <85256B06.0057FD03.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> I'm trying to use a redirect page that points to the current edition of a report that is published twice weekly. This so I don't have to change the actual url which is found in several places on my site. The problem is, since the page that redirects gets cached, even though I've updated the url to redirect to, it still redirects to the older report. Anyone have a solution for this? TIA, Janet Dombrowski, Senior Librarian National Geographic Society jdombrow@ngs.org 202-775-7879 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 16 11:27:14 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Is there a way to prevent web pages from being cached? References: <85256B06.0057FD03.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> Message-ID: <005e01c16ebb$8f5dbf70$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > I'm trying to use a redirect page that points to the current edition of a report > that is published twice weekly. This so I don't have to change the actual url > which is found in several places on my site. The problem is, since the page > that redirects gets cached, even though I've updated the url to redirect to, it > still redirects to the older report. > Sure, with the caveat that non-compliant or ill-behaved browsers are outside your control. You might actually want to do something at the server level so that the same URL consistently reaches whatever the current issue is. That way, there won't be Google search results titled "latest issue" that actually take people to back issues. The simplest way to do that is probably with a symbolic link from "current.html" to "whatever-is-really-current.html". The solution to the cache problem has to lie in HTTP headers. You could put these into HTML pages with a "" tag; that may work for browsers, but not for intermediary caches at company firewalls, ISP proxies, etc. Configure your server to send the header "Cache-control: no-cache". You may need to add a second header of "Pragma: no-cache" to get anyone who is still talking HTTP 1.0. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bernies at uillinois.edu Fri Nov 16 11:32:50 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: netLibrary Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5264@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> For those of you interested in the netLibrary story, there's a nice summary in the free section of the Chronicle of Higher Education: http://chronicle.com/free/2001/11/2001111601t.htm Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From FarissS at mail.nlm.nih.gov Fri Nov 16 13:41:02 2001 From: FarissS at mail.nlm.nih.gov (Susan Fariss) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Is there a way to prevent web pages from being cached? Message-ID: What about the idea of making your web page expire now, so it will always refresh? Susan Fariss Systems Librarian > > I'm trying to use a redirect page that points to the current edition of a report > that is published twice weekly. This so I don't have to change the actual url > which is found in several places on my site. The problem is, since the page > that redirects gets cached, even though I've updated the url to redirect to, it > still redirects to the older report. > From dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Fri Nov 16 13:49:21 2001 From: dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Updated Netscape 4.08? In-Reply-To: <3BF52DBA.45DFC6F6@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: I still use it because it is a good mail client and outlook gets viruses that sends all your mail to other people! I would select a new mail client if I knew a good one. I installed Netscape 6 and decided I did not have the time to figure out the mail if there even was one. any suggestions? On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Andrew Mutch wrote: > OK, I know I'm going to get dirty looks for mentioning this BUT.... > > A lot of people still use Netscape 4.08 for public internet because it is so easy > to secure and people are familiar with it. But let's face it, it's a dog dealing > with Java, it hasn't been updated in years and doesn't support current web > standards. However, it appears that the current download available on the > Netscape site has been updated. Look here: > > ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.08/windows/windows95_or_nt/navigator_standalone > > and you can see the file has been updated in the last 6 months > > 7/25/2001 6:14:00 AM > > So, I'm wondering if Netscape has done some updating to 4.08 to address some of > these issues? > > I'm just curious as if there has been any change or this doesn't mean anything at > all. Yes, I know we need to get rid of 4.08 but until Netscape/Mozilla puts out > something that can be securely locked down, I think 4.08 will be hanging around > for a while. > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > Dan Kissane Reference Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 dfk@oneonta.edu personal web site: www.dmcom.net/dkissane From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Fri Nov 16 15:41:12 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: custom shell policy not recognized Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF8E1@EXCHANGE_NE> Here's another strange one I hope is not as strange as it seems. Windows 2000 Clients logging on to NT4 server . Using Policy Editor - I have a group policy set up that sets Internet Explorer as the Shell ( well actually runapp - loading IE) On 28 stations this works WONDERFULLY -- the users log in and there is IE. TWO stations - INSIST on bringing up the desktop. Have tried eliminating the profile -- even eliminating the user account and creating a new one. Have also tried different users - I'm assuming it is something in the Registry at the system or machine level -- but cannot find what or where. ANY HELP greatly appreciated - Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 16 15:45:52 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Updated Netscape 4.08? References: <200111161954.LAA02666@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <002a01c16ee0$0fc84f80$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > I still use it because it is a good mail client and outlook gets viruses > that sends all your mail to other people! I would select a new mail client > if I knew a good one. I installed Netscape 6 and decided I did not have > the time to figure out the mail if there even was one. any suggestions? > Eudora, Pegasus, The Bat? Or, ergh, Outlook Express 6 with a little attention to security details? There are plenty of good e-mail programs. Find one you like and stick with it. Keep firing up Communicator 4 for e-mail if that's your preference, but don't use it for browsing the web. ☮ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From CHHammer at olivet.edu Fri Nov 16 13:23:52 2001 From: CHHammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Google Sponsored Links Message-ID: I knew Google has long had advertizements but now I'm seeing sponsored links that appear at the top of the first page of search results. I thought they prided themselves on not stooping to this level. See, for example, their page http://www.google.com/technology/index.html that says: "Integrity "Google's complex, automated methods make human tampering with our results extremely difficult. And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank). A Google search is an easy, honest and objective way to find high-quality websites with information relevant to your search." Other than the designation of "Sponsored Links," these advertizements both look like results, and as I understand it, are pulled up at the top of the results list based on the keywords that are entered. Looks to me like they're in bed with all the other search engines doing the same thing. Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 16 15:54:59 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Updated Netscape 4.08? Message-ID: <003b01c16ee1$533b0b80$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > ...Or, ergh, Outlook Express 6 with a little > attention to security details? Sorry, that should have read "with *close* attention to security details." Getting OE to work with any reasonable degree of security is easier than it used to be, but is still not a no-brainer. I didn't mean to imply that OE security gaps were just a matter of inattention by the user. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From DobbsA at apsu.edu Fri Nov 16 16:02:27 2001 From: DobbsA at apsu.edu (Dobbs, Aaron) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Sponsored Links Message-ID: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE91EAEB@EXCHANGE> Actually, Google clearly marks the Sponsored Links & Ads. They are highlighted in a faint but distinctly different color that the general background and labelled "Sponsored Link." -Aaron :-)' All great truths begin as blasphemies -----Original Message----- From: Craighton Hippenhammer [mailto:CHHammer@olivet.edu] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Sponsored Links I knew Google has long had advertizements but now I'm seeing sponsored links that appear at the top of the first page of search results. I thought they prided themselves on not stooping to this level. See, for example, their page http://www.google.com/technology/index.html that says: "Integrity "Google's complex, automated methods make human tampering with our results extremely difficult. And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank). A Google search is an easy, honest and objective way to find high-quality websites with information relevant to your search." Other than the designation of "Sponsored Links," these advertizements both look like results, and as I understand it, are pulled up at the top of the results list based on the keywords that are entered. Looks to me like they're in bed with all the other search engines doing the same thing. Craighton Hippenhammer Information Technology Librarian Olivet Nazarene University chhammer@olivet.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From vsmith at gemini.edu Fri Nov 16 16:23:44 2001 From: vsmith at gemini.edu (Virginia Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google Sponsored Links References: Message-ID: <3BF583E0.2365EE36@gemini.edu> Hello Craighton, I concur with your concerns regarding advertisements and editorial integrity. As you probably, know the dot.com boom has recently been labeled the dot.com bust. One of the biggest impacts we'll see as librarians is the change in advertising techniques and fee structures. At the recent Internet Librarians conference, Chris Sherman of Search Engine Watch, asked us to ponder a future without search engines. In light of today's economic climate, it's a very real possibility. Unfortunately, Google is not immune. Please don't get me wrong, I'd also prefer not to see the advertisements, but it may be necessary in lieu of having to pay a fee to use the service. On a related note- in a recent search at About.com, the link I was looking for was actually located in the Sprinks (paid advertisement) section. Aloha, Virginia *********************************************** Virginia Smith Assistant Librarian Gemini Observatory 670 A'ohoku Place Hilo, HI 96720 vsmith@gemini.edu Craighton Hippenhammer wrote: > I knew Google has long had advertizements but now I'm seeing sponsored links that appear at the top of the first page of search results. I thought they prided themselves on not stooping to this level. See, for example, their page http://www.google.com/technology/index.html that says: > > "Integrity > "Google's complex, automated methods make human tampering with our results extremely difficult. And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank). A Google search is an easy, honest and objective way to find high-quality websites with information relevant to your search." > Other than the designation of "Sponsored Links," these advertizements both look like results, and as I understand it, are pulled up at the top of the results list based on the keywords that are entered. Looks to me like they're in bed with all the other search engines doing the same thing. > > Craighton Hippenhammer > Information Technology Librarian > Olivet Nazarene University > chhammer@olivet.edu > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Nov 16 16:34:51 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Google Sponsored Links Message-ID: OK, I'll bite: I would prefer _to_ see the ads, clearly labeled as such and with (to my eyes) extremely visible background color setting them off from links ranked by Google's methodology. Those ads (or sponsored links) mean that Google can be profitable while maintaining an ethical, transparent search system that's available for free. (Actually, Google claims to get half their revenue through licensing the Google engine for corporate intranet searching and other similar situations, but half wouldn't be enough.) That forest of Linux boxes at Google headquarters isn't free and doesn't run on good will, and some of their world-class programmers probably expect to eat. I can only think of three alternatives for Google: 1. Sell "relevance" on a hidden basis, so that the results are effectively corrupt. You'd still get sponsored links first, but you wouldn't know that's why they were first since they wouldn't be labeled as such. This is the most common approach. 2. Charge for searching. 3. Go out of business. Given the set of alternatives, I find clearly-labeled sponsored links reassuring--they suggest that Google will be around for a while. Walt Crawford, speaking only for myself. Virginia Smith > cc: Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Google Sponsored Links web4lib@sunsite.be rkeley.edu 11/16/2001 01:24 PM Please respond to vsmith Hello Craighton, I concur with your concerns regarding advertisements and editorial integrity. As you probably, know the dot.com boom has recently been labeled the dot.com bust. One of the biggest impacts we'll see as librarians is the change in advertising techniques and fee structures. At the recent Internet Librarians conference, Chris Sherman of Search Engine Watch, asked us to ponder a future without search engines. In light of today's economic climate, it's a very real possibility. Unfortunately, Google is not immune. Please don't get me wrong, I'd also prefer not to see the advertisements, but it may be necessary in lieu of having to pay a fee to use the service. On a related note- in a recent search at About.com, the link I was looking for was actually located in the Sprinks (paid advertisement) section. Aloha, Virginia *********************************************** Virginia Smith Assistant Librarian Gemini Observatory 670 A'ohoku Place Hilo, HI 96720 vsmith@gemini.edu Craighton Hippenhammer wrote: > I knew Google has long had advertizements but now I'm seeing sponsored links that appear at the top of the first page of search results. I thought they prided themselves on not stooping to this level. See, for example, their page http://www.google.com/technology/index.html that says: > > "Integrity > "Google's complex, automated methods make human tampering with our results extremely difficult. And though we do run relevant ads above and next to our results, Google does not sell placement within the results themselves (i.e., no one can buy a higher PageRank). A Google search is an easy, honest and objective way to find high-quality websites with information relevant to your search." > Other than the designation of "Sponsored Links," these advertizements both look like results, and as I understand it, are pulled up at the top of the results list based on the keywords that are entered. Looks to me like they're in bed with all the other search engines doing the same thing. > > Craighton Hippenhammer > Information Technology Librarian > Olivet Nazarene University > chhammer@olivet.edu > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* From rich at richardwiggins.com Fri Nov 16 17:32:32 2001 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Google Sponsored Links Message-ID: <20011116223232.28436.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> I've never understood the implication that ads are somehow per se evil. Mixing ads in with editorial copy in a way that the consumer can't tell the difference -- that's evil. Fiddling with the hit list order for $$$ without visual cues to the user -- that's evil. And Javascript pop-ups, are at least annoying, if not evil. Sometimes when I'm trying to buy something, targeted ads can be very useful. Sometimes I go to goto.com, which explicitly lists the price the advertiser paid for being at the top of the hit list. I wouldn't mind a switch that allows me to explicitly ask for Google results to be ranked by advertiser payments. The more the advertiser is willing to pay for my eyeballs, maybe the more I want to do business with them. It's when the ranking is hidden and unknown to the masses that it's an issue. Back when Byte was the magazine to read, some people bought it for the ads. And as Walt and others said, I'm all for Google making money off ads, so that they remain a viable service... /rich Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From madin at academicinfo.net Fri Nov 16 17:53:47 2001 From: madin at academicinfo.net (Mike Madin) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Google Sponsored Links References: Message-ID: <005c01c16ef1$9024f780$0200000a@qwest.net> Hi Web4Lib'ers, Walt writes: > I can only think of three alternatives for Google: > > 1. Sell "relevance" on a hidden basis, so that the results are effectively > corrupt. You'd still get sponsored links first, but you wouldn't know > that's why they were first since they wouldn't be labeled as such. This is > the most common approach. > > 2. Charge for searching. > > 3. Go out of business. Academic Info is trying a 4th alternative to advertising or sponsored links: Donations. We removed all banner advertsing and now are trying to be completely user supported. We've experimented with this model for the last month and let just say the results so far are less than promising. We are getting only a couple donations per million pageviews (although the "please donate" plug is only on our top pages so far). Last spring we were getting around $10,000 per million pagviews from banner advertising compared to around $100 per million so far seeking donations or a 99% drop in revenue. Ouch! You knew it was coming - The Plug: Academic Info is now completely user supported. Please consider making a small donation (any amount is appreciated) to keep us online and free of advertising. We accept credit cards through Paypal (go to our homepage) or checks payable to Academic Info. Academic Info 4739 University Way N.E., #1504 Seattle, WA 98105 Best Regards, Mike Madin Academic Info - www.academicinfo.net From superman at umich.edu Fri Nov 16 18:00:22 2001 From: superman at umich.edu (David S. Carter) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Google Sponsored Links In-Reply-To: <005c01c16ef1$9024f780$0200000a@qwest.net> Message-ID: There's a good article in the October issue of Wired about Google's plan for sponsored links and their business model. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.10/google.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Carter superman@umich.edu | 304 West Hall Director, Internet Public Library http://www.ipl.org/ | 550 E University Lecturer, School of Information, University of Michigan | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | 734 764-4386 (vox) finger superman@ipl.org for PGP Public Key | 734 764-2475 (fax) From gprice at gwu.edu Fri Nov 16 23:27:45 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:10 2005 Subject: Google as Acrobat reader (!) Message-ID: <024401c16f20$35e7b9e0$2f92c343@fyh7j01> Rich was on target with this observation. I've just confirmed the change with a contact at the GooglePlex. Recently, Google changed from an option to view pdf content conveted to text ("view as text") to a conversion to html ("view as html"). The converted pages look much better in terms of format and display as compared to the "view as text" option. Btw, the "view as html" option is also available with 4 of the 5 formats Google has just started crawling and making available. .doc .ppt .xls .rtf Postscript docs are converted to text. cheers, gary -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wiggins [mailto:rich@richardwiggins.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) I just discovered something. Google now offers a "View as HTML" link for hit list entries corresponding to PDF files. To see examples, just go to Google, search for "PDF", and scroll for a hit list item that includes the "View as HTML" link. Does anyone know if this is new behavior? I know they've been indexing PDFs for some months now, but I don't recall this option. I suppose this just falls out of the fact that they translate the PDF to HTML and feed that to their parser and indexer, and that they also cache those intermediate files, but I think it's really cool. /rich (PS -- there must be a library technology angle there somewhere. Suppose your patrons use Web TV to read PDF files that your library hosts. There. :-) ) Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From chhammer at olivet.edu Mon Nov 19 01:12:48 2001 From: chhammer at olivet.edu (Craighton Hippenhammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:12 2005 Subject: Google Sponsored Links Message-ID: That's right, but I wonder how many thousands of non-frequent users of Google will notice that right off the bat. The word "ad" is not used and the background color is only subtly different. Yes, I am very happy they are marking their ads as "different" from normal search results, but I take issue that the differences are clear enough. Craighton Hippenhammer >>> "Dobbs, Aaron" 11/16/01 21:35 PM >>> Actually, Google clearly marks the Sponsored Links & Ads. They are highlighted in a faint but distinctly different color that the general background and labelled "Sponsored Link." -Aaron :-)' All great truths begin as blasphemies From lispjh at ukoln.ac.uk Mon Nov 19 07:36:05 2001 From: lispjh at ukoln.ac.uk (Philip Hunter) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:12 2005 Subject: Bibliometrics for e-journals ('Information Research', Sept 2001) Message-ID: <011c01c170f6$c1da9d00$d313268a@ulpcpjh> *apologies for cross posting* The current issue of Information Research contains an interesting article on the 'Bibliometrics of electronic journals in information science' by Donald T. Hawkins, Editor-in-Chief, Information Science Abstracts, Information Today, Inc. http://informationr.net/ir/7-1/paper120.html. The article analyses some of the measurable characteristics of e-journals in the field of Information Science, including D-Lib, First Monday, Journal of Digital Information, LIBRES, etc., and the UKOLN magazines Ariadne and Cultivate Interactive. It contains statistical data about contributing authors, their geographical locations and institutions, subject area coverage within the field, etc. The data covers the period 1995 to the present. ******************************************************* Philip Hunter, Information Officer at UKOLN, and Editor of Ariadne Magazine, UKOLN, c/o Library, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY Tel: +44 (0) 1225 826 354 Fax: +44 (0) 1225 826838 email: p.j.hunter@ukoln.ac.uk http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/ http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/services/elib/ http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ http://homes.ukoln.ac.uk/~lispjh/ ******************************************************* From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Mon Nov 19 10:32:34 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:12 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights December issue out Message-ID: Cites & Insights 1:13 (December 2001) is now available. This 20-page issue includes: *Bibs & Blather *The Filtering Follies *PC Values: November 2001 *PC OS Stability (your comments) *Journals and Technology: A Few Belated Notes *Trends and Quick Takes...eight items *Ebook Appliance Deja Vu *Copyright Currents *Feedback: Your Insights *Press Watch I...nine articles *Product Watch...seven items *Press Watch II...three items Bibs & Blather appears first primarily to note that an index to the 14 issues so far produced will be out in a few weeks. You can reach Cites & Insights at: http://cical.home.att.net From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Nov 19 10:42:53 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:12 2005 Subject: WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? Message-ID: I was checking out my "snapshot" statistics this morning, thanks to a script Thomas Dowling shared with me, and was surprised to find out that I was being hit hard for my web server statistics. Thinking that I had overlooked putting a block in my robots.txt file for my statistics directory, I ran to edit it. Low and behold, I had already blocked it. In looking at my raw log file, I discovered that I was indeed being crawled by something that calls itself "WiseCrawler". Since it completely blew past my block, and was crawling my site at 2-4 requests a second, it doesn't seem very wise to me. At the very least, it is not abiding by common rules of decency for web crawlers. I searched Google for any information on it, and came up blank. Does anyone know anything about it, and is it hitting you hard, and in places where it shouldn't? Thanks, Roy From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Nov 19 11:37:29 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: Disturbing News Message-ID: <3BF93548.1FAF8550@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Hey all... I found an article on Slashdot (www.slashdot.org) which points to an LA Times article detailing a disturbing trend since the 9/11 attacks. Libraries are being ordered by the Federal Government to destroy information held in federal repositories in the interests of "homeland security." From the article: "Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft said that, while 'a well informed citizenry' is essential to government accountability, national security should be a priority." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-111801inform.story Folks, in my opinion, what that says is that the government is going to carry out acts in the name of "national security" and using that guise, may be held unaccountable for their actions. If the trend is now to order the destruction of freely obtainable information, then the terrorists have won. We have thus given up the FOIA and indeed our Constitutional rights. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From raywood at magma.ca Mon Nov 19 12:17:23 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disturbing News In-Reply-To: <3BF93548.1FAF8550@yvrls.lib.wa.us> References: <3BF93548.1FAF8550@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <20011119121723.C612@magma.ca> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:05:33AM -0800, Daniel Messer remarked: > Hey all... > > I found an article on Slashdot (www.slashdot.org) which points to an > LA Times article detailing a disturbing trend since the 9/11 attacks. > Libraries are being ordered by the Federal Government to destroy > information held in federal repositories in the interests of "homeland > security." From the article: > > "Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft said that, while 'a well informed citizenry' > is essential to government accountability, national security should be a > priority." > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-111801inform.story > > Folks, in my opinion, what that says is that the government is going > to carry out acts in the name of "national security" and using that > guise, may be held unaccountable for their actions. If the trend is now > to order the destruction of freely obtainable information, then the > terrorists have won. We have thus given up the FOIA and indeed our > Constitutional rights. > > Dan I saw this also - glad you took the time to post to the list :) I too am disturbed by this - it is a very slippery slope IMHO. It indicates to me that citizens need to keep in mind the possibility that 'terrorism' (however one defines that rather vague term) may originate not only from external, but also from internal, sources. The enemies of freedom come in different shapes and colours... =) My $0.02, Raymond From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Nov 19 12:15:22 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: Disturbing News Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B976@mail1.morrisville.edu> The whole idea that we need to give up any rights at all and destroy any information at all runs against my grain. The recent call to take down all floor plans and descriptions of public buildings recently for security reasons is just as absurd. The news this morning talked about King George II 's new proclamation changing the rules on access to presidential papers for reasons of national security. The decision allowing secret trials and the unlimited detention of foreigners by the INS is even more insidious. If this keeps up Osama and crew will have won the war even if they lose the battle. Bill Drew From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Nov 19 12:47:28 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B976@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3BF945AF.A994D9A1@yvrls.lib.wa.us> "Drew, Bill" wrote: > The news this morning talked about King George II 's new proclamation > changing the rules on access to presidential papers for reasons of national > security. The decision allowing secret trials and the unlimited detention > of foreigners by the INS is even more insidious. If this keeps up Osama and > crew will have won the war even if they lose the battle. Not only will they have won the war, we'd have gone as far as to join the other side. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From JZaino at NewCanaanLibrary.org Mon Nov 19 12:47:05 2001 From: JZaino at NewCanaanLibrary.org (Zaino, Jeffrey) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: Self Checkout Message-ID: <45DD1866B5EED211811D0090274F0A2A0F383A@ncnt1.newcanaanlibrary.org> Collegues Our Library is investigating self-check out products. I would be interested in any experiences, product recommendations, cost, ease-of-use, reliability, etc. Thanks Jeffrey Zaino Systems Librarian New Canaan Library Phone (203) 801-2662 Fax (203) 801-2654 jzaino@newcanaanlibrary.org From aedwards at ucok.edu Mon Nov 19 13:07:25 2001 From: aedwards at ucok.edu (Adriana Edward-Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disturbing News In-Reply-To: <3BF93548.1FAF8550@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: <001b01c17125$0bb897a0$3f709acc@ucok.edu> I'm glad everyone is taking an interest in this...however, the federal government has the authority to ask that materials be removed from federal depository libraries during times of peace and war...and has exercised this authority since government information began being distributed to the public...I do not necessarily agree with this but it has been a fact for a long time. And as far as that cd-rom which was "destroyed" goes--a message posted to Govdoc-L on Sept. 26 (in part) stated: --------------------------------------- "Source area characteristics of large public surface water supplies I 19.76:99-248 USGS Open-File Report no. 99-248 The request was made on behalf of USGS's Associate Director for Water. There was not explanation as to why we are being asked to destroy this CD, which, in my limited experience as a depository librarian was unusual. A phone call to Cindy Etkin at LPS confirmed that it was unusual, but that when an agency formally requests, in writing, that a document be pulled from depository libraries, the agency is not required to explain why. USGS had not done so, although given the content of the CD, I suppose it's not surprising that they asked us to destroy it... A call to the office of the Associate Director for Water put me in touch with Glen Patterson. He was sympathetic to a librarian's hesitancy to destroy information that, at a future time, may prove useful for "peaceful purposes" (my phrase, not his). He agreed that that an alternative, appropriate response would be to remove the CD from our shelves and suppress our cataloging record until such time as it may be OK to put the CD back on the shelf. Furthermore, he agreed that I could share this information with the depository community." --------------------------------------------------------- I hope this helps you feel a letter better to know that Federal Depository Librarians are watching out for the public...items distributed in paper, cd-rom, or microform will always be in existence somewhere because people photocopy them before being destroyed (woo hoo no copyright!) or swipe them from the trash...it is the government information distributed on the Internet we need to try to preserve before it all vanishes. See http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/antiterrorism_chi ll.html -- Adriana Edwards-Johnson Government Publications Librarian University of Central Oklahoma Edmond, OK 73034 405-974-2904 aedwards@ucok.edu http://library.ucok.edu/gov/ -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Messer Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disturbing News Hey all... I found an article on Slashdot (www.slashdot.org) which points to an LA Times article detailing a disturbing trend since the 9/11 attacks. Libraries are being ordered by the Federal Government to destroy information held in federal repositories in the interests of "homeland security." From the article: "Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft said that, while 'a well informed citizenry' is essential to government accountability, national security should be a priority." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-111801inform.story Folks, in my opinion, what that says is that the government is going to carry out acts in the name of "national security" and using that guise, may be held unaccountable for their actions. If the trend is now to order the destruction of freely obtainable information, then the terrorists have won. We have thus given up the FOIA and indeed our Constitutional rights. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From EKINNE at state.wy.us Mon Nov 19 13:21:44 2001 From: EKINNE at state.wy.us (Erin Kinney) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Disturbing News Message-ID: For those of you not on the GOVDOC-L list, please see a list of removed documents at http://www.ombwatch.org/info/2001/access.html from OMBWatch. Erin Erin Kinney Electronic Resources Librarian Wyoming State Library 2301 Capitol Avenue Cheyenne, WY 82002-0060 (307) 777-6332 1-800-264-1281, option 1, option 1, option 3 (Wyoming only) http://www-wsl.state.wy.us/ http://gowyld.net/ ekinne@state.wy.us From wprice at panam.edu Mon Nov 19 14:10:28 2001 From: wprice at panam.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20011119131028.011935e0@pop3.panam.edu> None of this should surprise anyone. Remember, when the citizens of Missouri had the chance to re-elect John Ashcroft as senator, they looked at his record, and chose to elect a dead man, instead. That provided the opportunity for the Compassionate Conservative to appoint him Attorney General. >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:22:06 -0800 (PST) >From: "Drew, Bill" >Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News > >The whole idea that we need to give up any rights at all and destroy any >information at all runs against my grain. The recent call to take down all >floor plans and descriptions of public buildings recently for security >reasons is just as absurd. > C. Ward Price Web Librarian University of Texas-Pan American http://www.lib.panam.edu/ wprice@panam.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Nov 19 14:40:17 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011119131028.011935e0@pop3.panam.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20011119131028.011935e0@pop3.panam.edu> Message-ID: Hello? Is this microphone on? The topic of this discussion is web systems in libraries. I would like to remind everyone to remain on topic -- even remotely so. Thanks, Roy From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Nov 19 14:47:38 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News References: <001b01c17125$0bb897a0$3f709acc@ucok.edu> Message-ID: <3BF961DA.DFFFCDF3@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Yet the article mentions that the USGS called for the destruction of a water survey. Some librarians asked to do the same thing and pull the CD for future use. Federal officials did not agree and demanded that the disk be destroyed. So while some things may be saved by leniency, what is lost by demand? Dan Adriana Edward-Johnson wrote: > A call to the office of the Associate Director for Water put me in touch > with Glen Patterson. He was sympathetic to a librarian's hesitancy to > destroy information that, at a future time, may prove useful for "peaceful > purposes" (my phrase, not his). He agreed that that an alternative, > appropriate response would be to remove the CD from our shelves and suppress > our cataloging record until such time as it may be OK to put the CD back on > the shelf. Furthermore, he agreed that I could share this information with > the depository community." -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Mon Nov 19 14:49:45 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News References: Message-ID: <3BF96259.B4053EFB@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Many apologies. But I thought that the discussion of the destruction of CD-ROMs which may be made available over HTTP intranet systems and the supression of catalogs available in a similar way fell under the topic of discussion. Roy Tennant wrote: > Hello? Is this microphone on? The topic of this discussion is web > systems in libraries. I would like to remind everyone to remain on > topic -- even remotely so. Thanks, > Roy -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Nov 19 15:36:48 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: removing defunct government links? Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B977@mail1.morrisville.edu> How many of you link directly to online versions of government documents? How many of those documents are now removed because of orders from federal agencies with legitimate concerns but are being overzealous? Is something being substituted for the removed page? How is it decided what is "dangerous" and what isn't? Is anyone supervising this? Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ Have Laptop -- Will Travel. "If a man offers his opinion on a topic and there are no women around, does this mean he is still wrong?" From bennetttm at appstate.edu Mon Nov 19 16:50:07 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Self Checkout In-Reply-To: <45DD1866B5EED211811D0090274F0A2A0F383A@ncnt1.newcanaanlibrary.org> Message-ID: We are using a 3M Self Check Out for use with the Innovative Interfaces Inc. System [ III ]. We've had very little to none maintenance once the initial settings have been made. Initial settings are mainly ip configurations for network connectivity. We are also a beta tester for this system now and again bugs have been minimal to none. The biggest maintenance at this point is replacing the light bulbs when they burn out. Two sort of candle shaped bulbs shining down on the book are required for the bar code reader to operate correctly. We are using a Citizen receipt printer which includes the due date on the receipt. The 3M machine has a keypad and card swipe option. We have disabled the keypad option and only use the card swipe. You need to know the number of characters on the card and if a carriage return is included in the mag stripe data if I remember correctly. Usually when we are called to investigate a problem with the Self Check Out it turns out to be a Campus Network problem that has also affected several other machines. Our Self Check Out system supports our III loan rules. It reads the user's ID card, scans the barcode, and desensitizes the magnetic security strip we use with 3M security gates. A message will direct the patron to contact the circulation desk in case there is a block or any other reason's the item cannot be checked out. There are options to disable the desensitizing function for use with videos though we don't allow self checkout for videos but this may change if VHS gets phased out eventually for DVD I expect. At http://www.iii.com/html/products/p_circulation.shtml III states there are other vendors including 3M and Checkpoint that they support. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Zaino, Jeffrey Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Self Checkout Collegues Our Library is investigating self-check out products. I would be interested in any experiences, product recommendations, cost, ease-of-use, reliability, etc. Thanks Jeffrey Zaino Systems Librarian New Canaan Library Phone (203) 801-2662 Fax (203) 801-2654 jzaino@newcanaanlibrary.org From libpark at isugw.indstate.edu Mon Nov 19 17:26:40 2001 From: libpark at isugw.indstate.edu (Jung-ran Park) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: Job Openings--Indiana State University Message-ID: [Apologies for cross-posting] The following are 12-month, tenure-track, faculty positions. For complete job descriptions, see http://odin.indstate.edu/level1.dir/job.dir/jobs.html. Send letter of application with names/ addresses/phone numbers/emails of 3 references to: Search Committee, Cunningham Memorial Library, Indiana State University, Terre Haute, IN 47809. ISU is an AA/EOE. DIGITAL/WEB RESOURCES LIBRARIAN Entry-level. Coordinate plans for a digital library environment; lead, organize, facilitate library web site to deliver information/services to further research, teaching. May serve as a team leader and on other teams. May provide reference assistance, library instruction, participate in collection development. Ability to progress successfully toward tenure, promotion, and participate fully as Library faculty. Required: ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent degree; experience in academic library/research setting, in web site development/management; knowledge of emerging web technology trends/tools. LENDING SERVICES LIBRARIAN Entry-level. Team Leader for circulation, reserve, interlibrary loan, stack maintenance. Coordinate, communicate and serve as primary contact for lending policies/procedures. Coordinate automated systems integration with Controller's Office. May provide reference assistance, library instruction, participate in collection development. Ability to progress successfully toward tenure, promotion, and participate fully as Library faculty. Required: ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent degree; strong service commitment; supervisory experience; effective interpersonal skills in a diverse population. METADATA LIBRARIAN Entry-level. Catalog digital resources including metadata; develop policies, procedures, standards for accessing and creating metadata. May provide reference assistance, library instruction, participate in collection development. Ability to progress successfully toward tenure and promotion and participate fully as a Library faculty member. Required: ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent degree; knowledge of concepts and applications used in standards and practices of organizing information. MUSIC LIBRARIAN Catalog music materials in all formats; provide general and specialized reference service; serve as music subject specialist in collection development and as library representative to Music Dept. May serve as a team leader and on other teams. Ability to progress successfully toward tenure, promotion, and participate fully as Library faculty. Required: ALA-accredited MLS or equivalent degree, undergraduate degree in music, knowledge of a foreign language; experience with OCLC and Voyager or other library systems. From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Mon Nov 19 18:02:40 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News In-Reply-To: <3BF96259.B4053EFB@yvrls.lib.wa.us> References: <3BF96259.B4053EFB@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Message-ID: If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't fit, it wasn't made for you. I did not target any specific message in this thread, but since it seemed like the thread was drifting further and further afield from the topic of the discussion, I felt that a general cautionary note was in order. As always, thank you everyone for your cooperation. Roy At 11:55 AM -0800 11/19/01, Daniel Messer wrote: >Many apologies. But I thought that the discussion of the destruction of >CD-ROMs which may be made available over HTTP intranet systems and the >supression of catalogs available in a similar way fell under the topic >of discussion. > >Roy Tennant wrote: > >> Hello? Is this microphone on? The topic of this discussion is web >> systems in libraries. I would like to remind everyone to remain on >> topic -- even remotely so. Thanks, >> Roy > >-- >Mondai wa >The subject in question... >------- >Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor >Yakima Valley Regional Library >102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 >(509) 452-8541 x712 >dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us >------- >When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. > -Hunter S. Thompson From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Nov 21 09:15:11 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: Mozilla 0.9.6 References: <3BFA8F43.864EF95@thecommunitylibrary.org> Message-ID: <3BFBB6EF.EF441422@tln.lib.mi.us> Mozilla fans, your next release is out: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ and from Mozillazine: http://www.mozillazine.org "New to this milestone are fixes for about 1,600 bugs including support for site icons in both the url bar and tabs (expect IE's favicons to show up in 0.9.7), displaying both Windows Bitmap (.bmp) and Windows Icon (.ico) files inline on all platforms, a new print preview implementation, Page Setup improvements on the Macintosh, Mail message 'labels', and a new select and search context menu item, among others. If you are interested in more information on any of these new features, be sure to check out the release notes." Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Nov 21 09:37:30 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mozilla 0.9.6 References: <3BFBB6EF.EF441422@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <02db01c1729a$4f53b320$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Mozilla fans, your next release is out: > > "New to this milestone... a new print preview > implementation... >From past discussions, I know that some people will focus on this feature. Be advised that it is still very early in development. A "good" print preview is probably still a month or two down the road, so don't panic if you don't like this one. ☮ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Nov 21 11:47:31 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011120170118.00ab6ac0@ci.glendora.ca.us> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011120170118.00ab6ac0@ci.glendora.ca.us> Message-ID: Many helpful Web4Lib readers rushed to my aid with the information that the numeric IP address of the impolite crawler could be traced to the Korea Internet Data Center (KIDC). If you don't read Korean, see http://www.kidc.net/eng/. I have sent them email and will let you know if I hear anything back. Gary Price responded with a very helpful link to a forum on WebmasterWorld.com that deals with identifying spiders. I posted a query and will again let you know if I hear anything substantive. Thank you to everyone who responded: Walt Crawford Dee Ann Redmond Dan Robinson Gary Price Marshall Breeding John Hubbard Robin Boulton Adriana Edward-Johnson James Cayz Larry Maki Tara Calishain Marsha Weeks P. Michael McCully Mark Ellis Thanks, Roy From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Wed Nov 21 12:54:33 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: Fwd: 21st Century Librarian Award Message-ID: Forwarded by request, please do not reply to me. Roy >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:50:02 -0500 >From: "21 Century Librarian Award" >To: "21 Century Librarian Award" >Subject: 21st Century Librarian Award > >For the second year, the Syracuse University School of Information >Studies is pleased to offer the 21st-Century Librarian Award, >recognizing librarians' work in shaping the new information >environment that is emerging on a global scale. The 21st-Century >Librarian Award will provide $5,000 to a librarian who has been a >leader in the evolution of the librarianship in this new milieu. > >This year, the School of Information Studies is adding a second >award, the 21st-Century Librarian of Central New York Award. This >award will provide $1000 to a librarian in the Central New York >region who has been a leader in the evolution of the profession in >Central New York. All applicants will be eligible for the $5,000 >award, and applicants from Central New York will automatically be >eligible for the regional award. > >Candidates for the award may be nominated by a third party, or they >may be self-nominated. Nominees from last year are welcome to >compete again, either by being renominated by a third party or by >renominating themselves. Application materials must be resubmitted >electronically. > >Full details are available at the award's website, >http://istweb.syr.edu/librarianaward/ > >Deadlines for the Second Annual 21st Century Librarian Award: > >February 8, 2002: Deadline for letters of nomination, letters of >support and letters of intent to apply > >March 18, 2002: Deadline for submission of all application materials > >May 10, 2002: Announcement of the winners > >October 18, 2002: Award ceremony at Syracuse University, Syracuse, New York > >All questions, nominations, and application materials should go to: >libaward@syr.edu > >The 21st-Century Librarian Award is a project of students in the MLS >program at Syracuse University, School of Information Studies. The >project's advisor is Jana Bradley, director of the MLS program. > >Peyina Lin, Student Project Chair >Jana Bradley, Project Advisor From astout at mbl.edu Wed Nov 21 13:10:00 2001 From: astout at mbl.edu (Amy Stout) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: submit button References: <200111200632.WAA20554@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3BFBEDF8.C764E567@mbl.edu> Here's a question I hope someone can help me with. I have a form on the web... In some browsers patrons can enter data by hitting the enter key on the keyboard. I want to make submitting the form information possible only by using the submit button on the form. Is there something I can put in the script to disable the enter key? I am using Active Server Pages. Thank you, Amy From Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu Wed Nov 21 13:13:40 2001 From: Jeff.Kuntzman at UCHSC.edu (Jeff.Kuntzman@UCHSC.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: Opera 6.0 beta released... Message-ID: <6B2CA96321F8D211929E00805FA7F1BB07B6BCF1@ex2.uchsc.edu> Just a note that Opera 6 beta 1 has been released, it seems fairly stable in my testing so far. Registration is free if you paid to register Opera 5. Details at http://www.opera.com/ Especially of interest, to those of us that use the Innovative Interfaces proprietary proxy on our webpacs: for the first time, "automatic proxy configuration" is enabled in Opera. So your users will be able to use Opera as opposed to IE or Netscape to access library databases and e-journals. Jeff Kuntzman Internet & Instruction Librarian Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center jeff.kuntzman@uchsc.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Nov 21 14:27:35 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] submit button References: <3BFBEDF8.C764E567@mbl.edu> Message-ID: <002601c172c2$9719d900$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Here's a question I hope someone can help me with. I have a form on > the web... In some browsers patrons can enter data by hitting the > enter key on the keyboard. I want to make submitting the form > information possible only by using the submit button on the form. Is > there something I can put in the script to disable the enter key? I > am using Active Server Pages. Thank you, Amy Out of curiosity, why? There's no reliable way to make some browsers stop doing this. IE4+ maps Enter to the first submit input in a form. IE5+ maps it to the first submit or image input. You may want to concentrate on what specific problem arises if people hit Enter (incomplete forms?) and figure out solutions to those specific problems (form validation routines?). Theoretically, and at the risk of frustrating a large percentage of your users, you could have more than one submit input, and have the first tied to an action that doesn't "really" submit the form. Variations on this theme are included in the discussion on this subject at . Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From lscritch at netscape.net Wed Nov 21 15:00:21 2001 From: lscritch at netscape.net (Larry Scritchfield) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: non-standard port numbers Message-ID: <09B80B46.73438DEF.00A239C8@netscape.net> Why do so many library catalogs run on non-standard port numbers, e.g. 8020, 8081, 8099, 8900, 8910, 8000, 5000, 5050. Why not just stick with port 80? Am I missing something? Larry Scritchfield Internet Services Librarian Washoe County Library System, Reno NV -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Nov 21 15:06:05 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] non-standard port numbers Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B984@mail1.morrisville.edu> Why is this an issue? Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Nov 21 15:18:34 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: non-standard port numbers References: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B984@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <001901c172c9$d12f1040$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Why is this an issue? Because of the Neanderthal firewall administrators out there who grunt "Port 80 good, all others bad" and cut off access to the library catalog. Thomas ("Some of my best friends are Neanderthals") Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From craig.ginther at inova.com Wed Nov 21 15:57:26 2001 From: craig.ginther at inova.com (Craig Ginther) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: non-standard port numbers Message-ID: Why the confrontational tone? I'm sure there's a reason for the question. Craig Ginther >>> "Drew, Bill" 11/21/01 03:11PM >>> Why is this an issue? Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu From brannocl at hbpl.org Wed Nov 21 17:00:38 2001 From: brannocl at hbpl.org (Lane Brannock) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] non-standard port numbers In-Reply-To: <09B80B46.73438DEF.00A239C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: A good reason is the vast number of script-kiddie wannabe hackers that just have to try their new toys out. Now, if I can get a tar-baby for our firewall to listen on port 80 ... -- Lane Brannock, MCP Huntington Beach Public Library (714) 536-5215 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Larry Scritchfield Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:02 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] non-standard port numbers Why do so many library catalogs run on non-standard port numbers, e.g. 8020, 8081, 8099, 8900, 8910, 8000, 5000, 5050. Why not just stick with port 80? Am I missing something? Larry Scritchfield Internet Services Librarian Washoe County Library System, Reno NV -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Wed Nov 21 17:32:24 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] non-standard port numbers References: <09B80B46.73438DEF.00A239C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3BFC2B78.A05173F6@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Our WebPAC is a Java based WebPAC which requires port 5050 to load and run the Java applet. Any firewall that has that disabled cannot access our catalog. I am not familiar with the other ports, so I cannot speak to them. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Larry Scritchfield wrote: > > Why do so many library catalogs run on non-standard port numbers, e.g. > 8020, 8081, 8099, 8900, 8910, 8000, 5000, 5050. Why not just stick > with port 80? > > Am I missing something? > > Larry Scritchfield > Internet Services Librarian > Washoe County Library System, Reno NV > -- > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 27 11:35:57 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:16 2005 Subject: Live Webcast Panel Discussion about Virtual Reference Desk Servic es Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B533B@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> FYI... There will be a live webcast panel discussion on virtual reference services tomorrow, Wednesday, 11/28, at 1:00PM, EST. It's the first webcast in "LearningWeek Libraries", a series of weekly programs that's supposed to "focus on current issues facing libraries and the successful use of technology for library services." (Requires free registration). Participants in Wednesday's discussion include: Anne Lipow, Library Solutions Institute and Press Steve Coffman, Library Systems and Services LLC Brian Mikesell, St. John's University Stephen Cohen, Rivkin Radler LLP For more details, see: http://www.learningweek.com/112801.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From rich at richardwiggins.com Tue Nov 27 15:40:21 2001 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:16 2005 Subject: Multi-site, multi-tiered authorization for Web based resources? Message-ID: <20011127204021.17986.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> This query is pretty broad and somewhat vague. Please feel free to send private notes to me and I will summarize later. I'm looking for recent information about schemes for authentication and authorization for access to Web-delivered library resources, especially across multiple libraries (and even statewide or regional licensed resources). Specifically: -- Have you implemented an authorization/authentication scheme that uses more than one mode of identification? Ie some folks get in by virtue of their IP addresses, some by library patron number / bar code, some by password, others by some sort of digital certificates approach? -- Have you implemented a scheme that allows one individual to gain access to resources by virtue of multiple affinities? Ie one patron who is teaching a class at a community college, taking a class at a local university, and belongs to a local public library, gains access to the union of all resources at all three libraries, plus maybe statewide-licensed resources? -- How much of the required technology did you roll yourself, and how much comes from vendor software? Pointers to actual implementations would be most appreciated, as would journal or discussion references describing work in progress. Thanks! /rich Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 27 16:16:59 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:16 2005 Subject: netLibrary Update Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B534E@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> For those of you following the netLibrary story, here are a few more details from last week's Rocky Mountain News: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/technology/article/0,1299,DRMN_49_8829 65,00.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Nov 27 16:29:22 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary Update Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5350@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> I noticed that the URL in my original message has been truncated. If you have problems with it, go to the following page and scroll down to November 20: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/technology/ -----Original Message----- From: Sloan, Bernie [mailto:bernies@uillinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] netLibrary Update For those of you following the netLibrary story, here are a few more details from last week's Rocky Mountain News: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/technology/article/0,1299,DRMN_49_8829 65,00.html Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From francesco.giacanelli at tiscalinet.it Wed Nov 28 07:00:10 2001 From: francesco.giacanelli at tiscalinet.it (Francesco Giacanelli) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: Badtrans and IE security issue Message-ID: <000701c17804$3c8f2160$0501a8c0@francesco> Dear Web4libbers, regarding the Badtrans Worm, I read the Microsoft Security Bulletin (MS01-020) about the security issues of IE 5.01 and 5.5. This Bulletin seems to leave some questions open: 1)In our library we have two Win98 PC with IE 4.0, for which the security issue has not be tested. The Bulletin advice to upgrade to a version supported in order to install the patch. This sound strange: we would have to upgrade to, e.g., IE 5.01 in order to make another install of the patch. It is simpler to upgrade directly to IE 6.0. Or there is something I did not understand? 2)We have also two PC with Win95, but IE 6.0 seems require Win98. What to do in this case? 3) The Bulletin recommends to make a Full or Typical install of IE 6, in order to install the patch. What does it mean? If I would like to uninstall some components after the first installation, I would make the IE vulnerable? Thanks for any advice Regards Francesco Giacanelli Librarian, Rome (Italy) From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Wed Nov 28 11:38:22 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: SMS and push technology Message-ID: <3C0512FE.6B38785D@anaheim.lib.ca.us> As we begin preparing for next years budget, we are ready to start considering Systems Management Software and push technology. Is anybody using this successfully? What would you recommend? What I want is the ability to do the maximum amount of work from the Central Library without having to go out to the branches for troubleshooting and new installations. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From gmoeller at mail.owls.lib.wi.us Wed Nov 28 11:52:31 2001 From: gmoeller at mail.owls.lib.wi.us (Gerri Moeller) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] SMS and push technology References: <3C0512FE.6B38785D@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <3C05164F.2010002@mail.owls.lib.wi.us> Tom: Can you summarize any answers you get for the list? We're interested as well. -Gerri Tom Edelblute wrote: >As we begin preparing for next years budget, we are ready to start >considering Systems Management Software and push technology. Is anybody >using this successfully? What would you recommend? > >What I want is the ability to do the maximum amount of work from the >Central Library without having to go out to the branches for >troubleshooting and new installations. > -- Gerri Moeller Electronic Resources Librarian Outagamie Waupaca Library System 920/832-3906 fax 920/832-6422 email: gmoeller@mail.owls.lib.wi.us From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Nov 28 16:16:41 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: New feature on the Wireless Librarian web site Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B9B3@mail1.morrisville.edu> I have added a new feature to the Wireless Librarian website at: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ It is a link that will do a search of the Ziff-Davis sites and create a list of articles on Wireless LANs. Ziff-Davis has many excellent free publications and most will be searched for articles. Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library E-mail: mailto:drewwe@morrisville.edu BillDrew.Net: http://billdrew.net/ Not Just Cows: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ Wireless Librarian: http://people.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/wireless/ SUNY Morrisville College: America's Most Wired 2 Year College - 2001, 2000 From cbailey at uh.edu Wed Nov 28 17:10:05 2001 From: cbailey at uh.edu (Charles W. Bailey, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: Digital Initiatives Coordinator Position Announcement Message-ID: <0GNJ008LD75RBK@mail.uh.edu> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT: Digital Initiatives Coordinator (New Position) Responsibilities: Reporting to the Head of Systems, the Digital Initiatives Coordinator will manage or provide technical support for diverse special projects involving digital information and cutting-edge computing/networking technologies. Supervises the Digital Initiatives Fellow (recipient of a two-year fellowship). Acts as a liaison to library departments about emerging digital information infrastructure needs. Evaluates and recommends new technologies. Develops or supervises development of project-related Web sites, software, and support systems as required. Works closely with the Digital Services Coordinator about related Web/Millennium issues and the Coordinator of Distributed Computing about related server/workstation support issues. Examines digital preservation issues. Qualifications: ALA-accredited master's degree. Strong analytic, problem solving, communication, and negotiating skills. Ability to cooperatively set and effectively attain goals in a fast-paced, constantly changing environment. Broad knowledge of digital technologies, markup/metadata standards, and best practices. Significant Web design and development experience. Preferred: Training in or experience with database-driven Web sites and Web-related programming languages and tools. Supervisory experience. Salary: $41,000 to $46,000 expected hiring range, depending on qualifications. Excellent benefits package, including choice of health coverage; choice of retirement programs including TIAA-CREF; tax-deferred annuity program available; release time to take a class up to 3 hrs/week; no state or local income tax. Library Information: Reporting to the Assistant Dean for Systems, the Systems Department consists of the Head of Systems, the Coordinator of Distributed Computing, the Digital Initiatives Coordinator, the Digital Initiatives Fellow, the Digital Services Coordinator, and six exempt technical professionals. It supports a UNIX server for the Java-based Millennium integrated library system (Innovative Interfaces), two Linux-based Apache Web servers, an NT-based Microsoft IIS Web server, and a Citrix MetaFrame Server. It will use ColdFusion to create database-driven Web sites. It also supports over 350 networked NT workstations in the main library and four branch libraries; over a dozen CD-ROM, NT, and IntranetWare servers; a large-scale internal network (the Libraries are in the process of migrating to a 100Base-T/Gigabit Ethernet network), and numerous software packages. The Libraries anticipate the construction of a large new wing on the main library in the near future that will greatly expand their computing and networking infrastructure. Additional information available at http://info.lib.uh.edu/. The UH Libraries are a member of the Association of Research Libraries, the Big 12 Plus Libraries Consortium, and the Texas Digital Library Alliance. They hold over 2 million volumes and have a current materials budget of $6 million. Total staff includes 48 professionals and 120 support staff. Additional information available at: http://info.lib.uh.edu. General Information: The University of Houston campus comprises 14 colleges and schools offering close to 80 degree programs with an enrollment exceeding 32,000 students, 7,200 of whom are enrolled in graduate studies. Reflecting the multicultural community of metropolitan Houston, UH is the most ethnically diverse research university campus in the nation. Houston is a vital force in the commerce of the nation. It has established a flourishing cultural life rivaled by few cities in the world. Within easy reach of the Gulf of Mexico, Houston enjoys a low cost of living, and was rated third among livable North American cities by Places Rated Almanac. For additional facts about Houston, including information about its housing market, flourishing arts scene, low cost of living, plus other interesting tidbits of information, visit our Web site at: http://info.lib.uh.edu/local/houston.htm. Application Deadline: Applications will be accepted until the position is filled. Send letter of application, names of 3 references, and resume to John Lehner, Library Human Resources Director, University of Houston, 114 University Libraries, Houston, TX 77204-2000. THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER. MINORITIES, WOMEN, VETERANS AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 28 18:15:52 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: book review scripts? Message-ID: <33900-220011132823155278@linc.lib.il.us> Hi All - I'm looking for a free or low-cost PERL script (needs to run on NT) that will allow library staff to enter book reviews into an online form and have those reviews later retrievable either by searching or by browsing by fields (such as genre). Ideally, we'd also like to be able to add in jpgs of book covers that would display with a book's review, as well as links to our online database. Is anyone doing something similar or have an idea where we could find such a script? Thanks, - rachel --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 28 22:54:49 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:17 2005 Subject: survey -- accidental systems librarianship Message-ID: <302710-22001114293544931@linc.lib.il.us> (Please excuse multiple postings.) For a forthcoming book on "accidental systems librarians," I'm seeking a number of systems people in libraries who are willing to take a few minutes to answer a survey on their experiences. The survey can be found online at: http://www.lisjobs.com/syslibsurvey.htm , and is available both as an online form and in plain text for those who would prefer to answer via e-mail. Thank you!! - Rachel Gordon --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Nov 29 12:28:06 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] SMS and push technology References: <3C0512FE.6B38785D@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <3C067026.AB2D061C@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I was asked to summarize the the list so here it is. I had one response saying their college technical support uses a product called VNC. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ I had one other response saying they had installed Microsoft Systems Management Software, but did not have it fully configured. I was hoping for more options so I will continue looking. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > As we begin preparing for next years budget, we are ready to start > considering Systems Management Software and push technology. Is anybody > using this successfully? What would you recommend? > > What I want is the ability to do the maximum amount of work from the > Central Library without having to go out to the branches for > troubleshooting and new installations. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Nov 29 12:32:07 2001 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: Highlights of this Week's ResearchBuzz (November 22-November 28): Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011129123139.02209b10@pop.mindspring.com> Highlights of this Week's ResearchBuzz (November 22-November 28): Utah Photo Collection Spans 77 Years -- The Utah State Historical Society is now offering The Shipler Commercial Photographers Collection, 1903-1980. This online collection came about as a result of a grant from National Endowment for the Humanities to digitize 6,000 pictures in the Shipler collection (out of a collection of about 100,000 negatives.) From what I can see over 950 images have been added to the collection; more will be added over time.... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/nov22nov2801.html#utahphoto Cartoon Cartoon -- I saw the Big Cartoon Database mentioned in a lot of Weblogs after writing it up. Seems that many folks hadn't heard about that great resource either. As I was researching that one, I came across some other cartoon sites I figured I'd share.... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/nov22nov2801.html#cartooncartoon Way Way Way Way Way More TV Than You Can Stand -- If you really have a TV jones, you can probably fulfill it at TV Chronicles. This site features American TV, British TV, Canadian TV, and Australian TV. The main page of the site also links to soaps, quiz shows, and other genres.... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/nov22nov2801.html#wayway Speaking of TV -- Almost 700 Theme Songs on One Site -- If going through the previous site made you all nostalgic for those days when you laid in front of the TV for, oh, just HOURS at the time, chowing down pinwheel cookies and absorbing Doctor Who, then take another trip down memory lane with themesonline... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/nov22nov2801.html#speakingof The full week's news is available at: http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2001/nov22nov2801.html Tara ResearchBuzz.com From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 29 13:38:42 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology In-Reply-To: <3C067026.AB2D061C@anaheim.lib.ca.us> References: <3C067026.AB2D061C@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011129123842.B664@magma.ca> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:30:07AM -0800, Tom Edelblute imagined: > I was asked to summarize the the list so here it is. I had one response > saying their college technical support uses a product called VNC. > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ > > I had one other response saying they had installed Microsoft Systems > Management Software, but did not have it fully configured. > > I was hoping for more options so I will continue looking. VNC is free software AFAIK. Additionally, if you are considering VNC, you may want to consider a variation called 'TightVNC' - this is VNC code that has been optimized for low-bandwidth connections. FYI, Raymond > Tom Edelblute wrote: > > > > As we begin preparing for next years budget, we are ready to start > > considering Systems Management Software and push technology. Is anybody > > using this successfully? What would you recommend? > > > > What I want is the ability to do the maximum amount of work from the > > Central Library without having to go out to the branches for > > troubleshooting and new installations. From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Thu Nov 29 15:30:35 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology References: <20011129123842.B664@magma.ca> Message-ID: <004501c17914$b38a32d0$6e0eb8cc@REFERENCE> > VNC is free software AFAIK. Additionally, if you are > considering VNC, you may want to consider a variation called > 'TightVNC' - this is VNC code that has been optimized for > low-bandwidth connections. > I think (but don't quote me on this) that VNC is desktop sharing software, more than a remote management and software distribution tool like SMS. For what it's worth, for remote desktop access I use Netmeeting, a free Microsoft product (is that an oxymoron? :) ) that's standard on Win2K and available for other windowses as well. It's a great way to jump to our NT server's desktop without having to leave the reference desk. Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Thu Nov 29 16:05:03 2001 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: SMS and push technology Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E0D0@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> We are currently using VNC on our Staff Desktops as a remote administration tool. However this is only good for troubleshooting minor problems. This works fine and is a great deal more secure than Microsoft Netmeeting (which we disable in Active Directory Group Policy). I also do not allow any remote desktop tools on our servers as that is too much of a security hole. We also have made the decision to implement SMS on our network and have begun the development stage of this. Part of the decision to do so was the ability to push software onto machines with zero user interaction. Once completed we will drop VNC from our build. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Sorry, my brain won't engage without a coffee klatch" > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Novak [mailto:prx000@mail.connect.more.net] > Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 09:45 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology > > > > VNC is free software AFAIK. Additionally, if you are > > considering VNC, you may want to consider a variation called > > 'TightVNC' - this is VNC code that has been optimized for > > low-bandwidth connections. > > > > I think (but don't quote me on this) that VNC is desktop > sharing software, > more than a remote management and software distribution tool > like SMS. For > what it's worth, for remote desktop access I use Netmeeting, a free > Microsoft product (is that an oxymoron? :) ) that's standard > on Win2K and > available for other windowses as well. It's a great way to > jump to our NT > server's desktop without having to leave the reference desk. > > Mike Novak > Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian > University City Public Library > > From martin.jenkins at wright.edu Thu Nov 29 16:15:41 2001 From: martin.jenkins at wright.edu (Martin Jenkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: Does your library site have a name? Message-ID: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such has not been the trend for websites. If your library does have a named site, please let me know. Thanks, Marty Jenkins -- Martin Jenkins Music and Humanities Librarian Wright State University Dayton Ohio 45435 martin.jenkins@wright.edu From GSENNEMA at calvin.edu Thu Nov 29 16:42:33 2001 From: GSENNEMA at calvin.edu (Gregory Sennema) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: Cover art images Message-ID: Greetings. I am interested in using some book cover art .gifs and jpgs on our library web pages. I have no idea on where to look for copyright clearance on using the images that are easily found on Amazon or WorldCat, and OCLC support did not seem to know how to answer my query. Anyone have some suggestions? thanks __________________________________________________________ Greg Sennema, Digital Resources Librarian 616-957-8455 Hekman Library 616-957-6470 fax Calvin College & Calvin Theological Seminary 3207 Burton St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 __________________________________________________________ From danforth at alumni.tufts.edu Thu Nov 29 16:46:01 2001 From: danforth at alumni.tufts.edu (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129164237.01f462b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> I found Howel Library of Hanover, NH http://www.thehowe.org/ I also like the name of their catalog, KnowHowe Isabel At 01:27 PM 11/29/2001 -0800, Martin Jenkins wrote: >Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > >Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the >XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy >names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such >has not been the trend for websites. >If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Marty Jenkins >-- >Martin Jenkins >Music and Humanities Librarian >Wright State University >Dayton Ohio 45435 >martin.jenkins@wright.edu From ladyhawk at well.com Thu Nov 29 16:55:18 2001 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] survey -- accidental systems librarianship In-Reply-To: <302710-22001114293544931@linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <3C066876.10669.1D80125@localhost> Rachel, You probably already know about Tom Wilson's book, The Systems Librarian. I did an interview with Tom that may be useful in your research, see http://www.ala.org/editions/interviews/wilson.html GraceAnne DeCandido Rachel Singer Gordon wrote on 28 Nov 2001, about [WEB4LIB] survey -- accidental syst > (Please excuse multiple postings.) > > For a forthcoming book on "accidental systems librarians," > I'm seeking a number of systems people in libraries who are > willing to take a few minutes to answer a survey on their > experiences. > > The survey can be found online at: > http://www.lisjobs.com/syslibsurvey.htm , and is available > both as an online form and in plain text for those who would > prefer to answer via e-mail. > Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us > Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library > http://www.franklinparklibrary.org > http://www.lisjobs.com GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Consulting ~ Writing ~ Editorial ~ Web Content ~ New York City ~ ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html To be involved with books is to live at the heart of light. Mary Cantwell From bishopk at rpi.edu Thu Nov 29 16:57:45 2001 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129165630.03985fe0@mail.rpi.edu> Hi Marty, At Rensselaer, the Research Libraries' web site is named RensSearch. www.lib.rpi.edu -kb At 01:26 PM 11/29/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > >Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the >XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy >names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such >has not been the trend for websites. >If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Marty Jenkins >-- >Martin Jenkins >Music and Humanities Librarian >Wright State University >Dayton Ohio 45435 >martin.jenkins@wright.edu _________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Communication & Collaboration Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Thu Nov 29 17:03:04 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology References: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E0D0@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: <002301c17921$9ecb74a0$4a0eb8cc@ucpl.lib.mo.us> >We are currently using VNC on our Staff Desktops as a remote administration >tool. However this is only good for troubleshooting minor problems. This >works fine and is a great deal more secure than Microsoft Netmeeting (which >we disable in Active Directory Group Policy). I also do not allow any remote >desktop tools on our servers as that is too much of a security hole. I do agree that desktop sharing raises security concerns, but I don't really see what would make VNC "a great deal more secure" than Netmeeting. VNC uses a challenge-response password scheme and encrypts data after the connection is made. Netmeeting uses NT user authentication (username/password/domain name) uses authorization certificates, and uses data encryption. To me that would make them both a basically equal security threat. Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library From prx000 at mail.connect.more.net Thu Nov 29 17:05:44 2001 From: prx000 at mail.connect.more.net (Mike Novak) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does your library site have a name? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129164237.01f462b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <002b01c17921$fe52b780$4a0eb8cc@ucpl.lib.mo.us> Springfield-Greene County [Missouri] library calls there's "COOLCAT", complete with cute picture of a cat wearing cool shades. :) Mike Novak Technology Coordinator & Reference Librarian University City Public Library At 01:27 PM 11/29/2001 -0800, Martin Jenkins wrote: >Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > >Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the >XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy >names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such >has not been the trend for websites. >If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Marty Jenkins >-- >Martin Jenkins >Music and Humanities Librarian >Wright State University >Dayton Ohio 45435 >martin.jenkins@wright.edu From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Nov 29 17:17:17 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology In-Reply-To: <3C067026.AB2D061C@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: I had meant to reply but one thing led to another. We are using a program called Proxy from Funk Software which is similar to PC Anywhere, VNC, etc... We can connect to a user's PC via tcp or ipx if their PC runs at all. This has saved us from having to go over to our Music Library in several instances. If the Windows client computer is rebooted then your connection is available at the, in our case, Novell Login window. I think the URL is http://www.funksoftware.com/ As far as Push Technology, the only thing on our campus currently using Push to my knowledge is update of the Novell Client if you are already using a fairly recent version of the client. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Tom Edelblute Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology I was asked to summarize the the list so here it is. I had one response saying their college technical support uses a product called VNC. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ I had one other response saying they had installed Microsoft Systems Management Software, but did not have it fully configured. I was hoping for more options so I will continue looking. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > As we begin preparing for next years budget, we are ready to start > considering Systems Management Software and push technology. Is anybody > using this successfully? What would you recommend? > > What I want is the ability to do the maximum amount of work from the > Central Library without having to go out to the branches for > troubleshooting and new installations. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From snackeru at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 29 17:25:18 2001 From: snackeru at tc.umn.edu (Shane Nackerud) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011129162215.0302b2d8@snackeru.email.umn.edu> At the University of Minnesota, the web site is called LUMINA, while the catalog is called MNCAT. LUMINA actually stands for something too: Libraries of the University of Minnesota Information Network Access Shane At 01:26 PM 11/29/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > >Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the >XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy >names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such >has not been the trend for websites. >If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Marty Jenkins >-- >Martin Jenkins >Music and Humanities Librarian >Wright State University >Dayton Ohio 45435 >martin.jenkins@wright.edu ******************************************************* Shane Nackerud Web Services Coordinator University of Minnesota Libraries 180 Wilson Library Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 625-7880 From jodi at waikato.ac.nz Thu Nov 29 17:28:46 2001 From: jodi at waikato.ac.nz (Jodi Thomson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology Message-ID: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E0D4@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> > > I do agree that desktop sharing raises security concerns, but > I don't really > see what would make VNC "a great deal more secure" than > Netmeeting. Where the difference in security lies is that Netmeeting already has a number of exploits out there that can be utilised by 'script kiddies'. Whereas VNC has not been targeted in such a manner and therefore is not so susceptible to random attacks. Perhaps my choice of words was wrong in that respect ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Thomson (Mr) A+, MCP - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi@waikato.ac.nz "Sorry, my brain won't engage without a coffee klatch" From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Nov 29 18:13:56 2001 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Tom Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Message-ID: <3C06C134.6FF33513@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for renewing it. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Nov 29 19:09:03 2001 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] References: <3C06C134.6FF33513@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <3C06CE1F.BFC87FC2@state.or.us> It is not just software provided by the Gates Foundation. The version of Norton Anti-virus (2000 in our case) that comes with many new computers is what they call a "complimentary version". It works for one year and then you have to purchase subscriptions in order to continue getting the Live Updates. You can uninstall it and install it again. It will then be good for another month or two. - Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503-378-4246 chris.a.adams@state.or.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am > unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus > software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for > renewing it. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* - From raywood at magma.ca Thu Nov 29 22:29:23 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: SMS and push technology In-Reply-To: <00CE7EEB5F86154FAF4CBC8DE5907BB8C8E0D4@its-e2k1.waikato.ac.nz> Message-ID: <3C068C93.19104.E4BB78@localhost> > > I do agree that desktop sharing raises security concerns, but > > I don't really > > see what would make VNC "a great deal more secure" than > > Netmeeting. On 29 Nov 2001, at 14:30, Jodi Thomson wrote: > Where the difference in security lies is that Netmeeting already has a > number of exploits out there that can be utilised by 'script kiddies'. > Whereas VNC has not been targeted in such a manner and therefore is > not so susceptible to random attacks. Perhaps my choice of words was > wrong in that respect Further to this question of security: I have not researched the details, but I have seen it said by various sources I am inclined to trust that if one wishes to increase VNC's security beyond a default level, then it is best to tunnel the VNC connnection through an SSH tunnel. SSH appears to be a very interesting technology for encrypting network traffic of different kinds. Cheers, Raymond -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From john.clinton at rmit.edu.au Thu Nov 29 19:33:18 2001 From: john.clinton at rmit.edu.au (John Clinton) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cover art images Message-ID: Your first port of call will have to be the publisher of the book Gregory, who may either own copyright themselves, which is fairly normal, or who may have purchased limited copyright licence for use on the book. In either case they should be able to advise you. Regards, John Clinton (no relation!) >>> "Gregory Sennema" 11/30/01 08:50 AM >>> Greetings. I am interested in using some book cover art .gifs and jpgs on our library web pages. I have no idea on where to look for copyright clearance on using the images that are easily found on Amazon or WorldCat, and OCLC support did not seem to know how to answer my query. Anyone have some suggestions? thanks __________________________________________________________ Greg Sennema, Digital Resources Librarian 616-957-8455 Hekman Library 616-957-6470 fax Calvin College & Calvin Theological Seminary 3207 Burton St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 __________________________________________________________ From brannocl at hbpl.org Thu Nov 29 20:43:29 2001 From: brannocl at hbpl.org (Lane Brannock) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:18 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] In-Reply-To: <3C06C134.6FF33513@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Yes, we were very surprised about that. So we got the Norton Enterprise software and updated all out workstations. Centralized management and keeping track of updates and scans. Only 17 more months of keeping things Gates way. -- Lane Brannock, MCP Huntington Beach Public Library (714) 536-5215 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Tom Edelblute Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 15:18 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for renewing it. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Edelblute Public Access Systems Coordinator Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us From leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us Fri Nov 30 06:28:00 2001 From: leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us (Lisa Leidig) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Message-ID: <01C17968.29479000@LEIDIGL> Tom It happened here also - we only received a 6 month license. Since I have a CD-R, I burned copies of InoculateIT PE (was free from Computer Associates), uninstalled Norton and installed Inoculate. I did communicate with the Gates Foundation prior to doing this. I don't know about anyone else's library, but here we just couldn't afford the license fees mid-fiscal year. The InoculateIT PE continues to be free with virus signature file downloads. YMMV. Lisa Leidig Microcomputer Analyst Portsmouth Public Library 757.393.8045 -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Adams [SMTP:chris.a.adams@state.or.us] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] It is not just software provided by the Gates Foundation. The version of Norton Anti-virus (2000 in our case) that comes with many new computers is what they call a "complimentary version". It works for one year and then you have to purchase subscriptions in order to continue getting the Live Updates. You can uninstall it and install it again. It will then be good for another month or two. - Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503-378-4246 chris.a.adams@state.or.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am > unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus > software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for > renewing it. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* - From smcramer at uncg.edu Fri Nov 30 08:24:51 2001 From: smcramer at uncg.edu (Steve Cramer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> References: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Message-ID: In terms of usability, isn't it more effective for a library web site or catalog to be called what it is? I seen a couple of reports of libraries realizing that cutesy names (ex. calling a catalog "Unicorn") can confuse users. Example: Usability of the Academic Library Web Site: Implications for Design Louise McGillis and Elaine G. Toms C&RL, 62 (4), July 2001, p. 355-68. --Steve On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) Martin Jenkins wrote: > Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > > Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the > XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy > names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such > has not been the trend for websites. > If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Marty Jenkins > -- > Martin Jenkins > Music and Humanities Librarian > Wright State University > Dayton Ohio 45435 > martin.jenkins@wright.edu __________________________________________ Steve Cramer Business Librarian University of North Carolina at Greensboro smcramer@uncg.edu 336-256-0346 From judy at tuscaloosa-library.org Fri Nov 30 09:09:26 2001 From: judy at tuscaloosa-library.org (Judy Howington) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] In-Reply-To: <3C06C134.6FF33513@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: When we received our Gates Library Foundation computers and software, we were told that they would support us only for a couple of years and then it became our responsibility to keep it up. This sounded entirely reasonable to us. The purpose of the foundation is to get libraries started with public computing terminals and software, not to support them forever! We now have a wonderful lab with 16 computers in our lab and are upgrading all the time. Without Gates, we would probably have very little! We were one of the first libraries done by the Gates Foundation back several years ago. Judy Howington Assistant Director Tuscaloosa Public LIbrary 1801 Jack Warner Parkway Tuscaloosa, AL 35401 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 30 09:47:36 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: Opera 6 released Message-ID: <005601c179ad$f860c880$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> It was a lightning-fast beta (about two and a half weeks): Opera 6 was formally released yesterday. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From schnell.9 at osu.edu Fri Nov 30 10:02:52 2001 From: schnell.9 at osu.edu (Eric Schnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: New Release: Prospero 1.39 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130095154.00ba13c0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> sorry for any duplicate messages... Just Released: Prospero 1.39 New Features: - Now supports the conversion of color Ariel documents !!!! - Allows the inclusion of international copyright statements !! - Various bug fixes including a pesty EOFB error. Download this version at http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/prospero/ Prospero is a Web-based document delivery system designed as a complement to the Ariel ? software system. Ariel is a product of the Research Libraries Group (RLG) which allows libraries to use the Internet to exchange documents through interlibrary loan. Prospero captures and converts Ariel files (TIFF images) to Web accessible documents (PDF files). A server-side / user interface which allows patrons to retrieve their documents using any Web browser. Prospero also supports the import of existing TIFF files and the direct scanning of new documents. The PDF files are then posted on a secure Web server. Eric Schnell Assistant Professor Head, Information Technology Services Prior Health Sciences Library The Ohio State University schnell.9@osu.edu / 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Nov 30 10:29:47 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Does your library site have a name? References: Message-ID: <3C07A5EA.82BCB00F@yvrls.lib.wa.us> That's a really good question. I think that, if a library is going to name their website and/or their catalog, they should keep in mind to give it a name that at least semi-identifies the purpose involved. When I was at CWU, they called their OPAC "CATTRAX" which makes some kind of sense as the mascot was a wildcat. Your example, "Unicorn", would be a terrible name for an OPAC because it doesn't give any indication of what it's for. At the very least, if the catalog has a special name, the name on the website should be followed by the words "Online catalog" or something to that effect. On the CWU Library website, they identify it as "CATTRAX Online Catalog" in order to reduce confusion Steve Cramer wrote: > In terms of usability, isn't it more effective for a library web site or > catalog to be called what it is? I seen a couple of reports of libraries > realizing that cutesy names (ex. calling a catalog "Unicorn") can confuse users. > > Example: > > Usability of the Academic Library Web Site: Implications for Design > Louise McGillis and Elaine G. Toms > C&RL, 62 (4), July 2001, p. 355-68. > > --Steve > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) Martin Jenkins wrote: > > > Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. > > > > Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the > > XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy > > names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such > > has not been the trend for websites. > > If your library does have a named site, please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Jenkins > > -- > > Martin Jenkins > > Music and Humanities Librarian > > Wright State University > > Dayton Ohio 45435 > > martin.jenkins@wright.edu > > __________________________________________ > Steve Cramer > Business Librarian > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > smcramer@uncg.edu > 336-256-0346 -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From dkh2 at po.cwru.edu Fri Nov 30 10:33:52 2001 From: dkh2 at po.cwru.edu (D. Keith Higgs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: Scripting needed to resolve live reference chat problem Message-ID: <3C07A6E0.7000904@po.cwru.edu> We have a graphic link to a 3rd party provided live chat application that has been causing our pages not to load at times when the remote site is inaccessible for any reason. Reasons for non-access range from their server being down to the rare problems with our network or our gateway. We would like to detect the availability of the remote, off-campus server before attempting to load the very short SSI included content. My initial take on this is to use a client side script (Javascript) to a) detect accessibility then b) document.write() the appropriate code to the browser. I just need a way to determine success/failure in acquiring the remotely hosted image. Our Reference personnel are getting a little cranky that their pages fail to load if the LivePerson Pro site is inaccessible. BTW, If your institution is looking at online reference chat services I would vote against this one. If the site is inaccessible your page fails to load. If the site is accessible and the page loads - the LPP code renders your page unprintable (you really can't send anything to the printer). Just a bit of a problem on Reference Department pages. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks, Keith From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Nov 30 10:50:14 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: Off topic: Spressa crx100e/X2 question Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A4B3@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Has anyone upgraded a computer from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 with a Sony USB drive? If you can let me know off board how to get the USB to work, I will be very grateful. The message is "a function driver was not specified." And I do know that saying the post if off topic does not excuse it. But I am running out of options. Thanks, Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Fri Nov 30 10:51:47 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Message-ID: Let's broaden this a little more. All versions of Norton AntiVirus (that I'm aware of) or, for that matter, the superlative Norton SystemWorks (which includes NAV) include one year of Live Update support. After that, you either upgrade to the improved version (and, so far, they actually have improved the programs every year) or you pay the subscription fee. It has nothing to do with complimentary, Gates, or anything else. It has to do with the costs of maintaining support. For my personal copy, that subscription fee was $3.95/year, which did not strike me as particularly burdensome--after all, they're spending serious money keeping up with viri and improving detection methods. Of course, the institutional price may be a lot higher...(I wouldn't know.) I wonder: does your online catalog vendor provide lifetime upgrades and support with no maintenance fee? If so, is the vendor still in business? Walt Crawford RLG, but speaking for myself ------------------------------ It is not just software provided by the Gates Foundation. The version of Norton Anti-virus (2000 in our case) that comes with many new computers is what they call a "complimentary version". It works for one year and then you have to purchase subscriptions in order to continue getting the Live Updates. You can uninstall it and install it again. It will then be good for another month or two. - Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503-378-4246 chris.a.adams@state.or.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am > unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus > software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for > renewing it. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* - From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Nov 30 10:54:47 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Opera 6 released Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B9DB@mail1.morrisville.edu> I just downloaded and installed it. It does some strange things with frames and with flash images I do not understand but I like it. It is very fast and very configurable. I will use it on my laptop along with IE and Netscape. Take a look at www.morrisville.edu with it. then compare it in IE. I don't understand the differences in the display. I did not design the college home page. It works very well in IE and in Netscape. I just want to understand the difference as I recommend Opera to friends tired of IE. Bill Drew From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Nov 30 10:59:04 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <3C06A57D.39B37806@wright.edu> Message-ID: <032501c179b7$efb42060$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> > XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy > names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such > has not been the trend for websites. That's probably a case of lesson-learned. For the user seeking the XXU Library Web Site, a cutesy name is just one more obstacle. ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs@lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet Information You Can Trust! http://lii.org ---------------------------------------------- From PMurray at law.uconn.edu Fri Nov 30 11:09:12 2001 From: PMurray at law.uconn.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:19 2005 Subject: Scripting needed to resolve live reference chat problem In-Reply-To: <3C07A6E0.7000904@po.cwru.edu> References: <3C07A6E0.7000904@po.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <821204.1007118552@[0.0.0.0]> The solution is actually much simpler. The reason the page doesn't load is because the browser doesn't know the dimensions of the image --- the renderer doesn't know how much space to leave. If you give the IMG tag height and width attributes, the page will render and the graphic will load if and when it is available. Just another good reason to include HEIGHT/WIDTH attributes... Peter --On Friday, November 30, 2001 7:35 AM -0800 "D. Keith Higgs" wrote: > We have a graphic link to a 3rd party provided live chat application > that has been causing our pages not to load at times when the remote > site is inaccessible for any reason. Reasons for non-access range > from their server being down to the rare problems with our network or > our gateway. -- Peter Murray, Computer Services Librarian W: 860-570-5233 University of Connecticut Law School Hartford, Connecticut From leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us Fri Nov 30 11:09:23 2001 From: leidigl at ci.portsmouth.va.us (Lisa Leidig) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Message-ID: <01C1798F.7B577D20@LEIDIGL> Our version was installed in April 2001 and expired in October 2001. I am not that big a fan of Norton AV anyway so it was no problem for me to uninstall it. CA InoculateIT PE is as good as NAV, uses less system resources and is free. Why would I pay for 20 licenses of NAV when I can have the same protection for free? You have to understand. We are a very poor Library. Our budget was cut 15% from last years' so any unplanned expenditures hurt. Our system is extremely grateful for the donated PC's - they have made a huge positive impact on our patrons - but why only a 6 month subscription? Thats the part I don't understand. Lisa Leidig Microcomputer Analyst Portsmouth Public Library 757.393.8045 -----Original Message----- From: Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org [SMTP:Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] Let's broaden this a little more. All versions of Norton AntiVirus (that I'm aware of) or, for that matter, the superlative Norton SystemWorks (which includes NAV) include one year of Live Update support. After that, you either upgrade to the improved version (and, so far, they actually have improved the programs every year) or you pay the subscription fee. It has nothing to do with complimentary, Gates, or anything else. It has to do with the costs of maintaining support. For my personal copy, that subscription fee was $3.95/year, which did not strike me as particularly burdensome--after all, they're spending serious money keeping up with viri and improving detection methods. Of course, the institutional price may be a lot higher...(I wouldn't know.) I wonder: does your online catalog vendor provide lifetime upgrades and support with no maintenance fee? If so, is the vendor still in business? Walt Crawford RLG, but speaking for myself ------------------------------ It is not just software provided by the Gates Foundation. The version of Norton Anti-virus (2000 in our case) that comes with many new computers is what they call a "complimentary version". It works for one year and then you have to purchase subscriptions in order to continue getting the Live Updates. You can uninstall it and install it again. It will then be good for another month or two. - Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503-378-4246 chris.a.adams@state.or.us Tom Edelblute wrote: > > Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am > unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus > software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for > renewing it. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* - From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Nov 30 11:17:58 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A4B5@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> Marty: When I was at A&M in Laredo I suggested the current name "RIO de Informaci?n / Research Information Online" Since most in the area speak some Spanish and some English (some at the same time) it worked. Regards, Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Jenkins [SMTP:martin.jenkins@wright.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Does your library site have a name? Posted to Web4Lib and MLA-L; apologies for any duplication. Does your library website have a catchy name, something other than "the XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such has not been the trend for websites. If your library does have a named site, please let me know. Thanks, Marty Jenkins -- Martin Jenkins Music and Humanities Librarian Wright State University Dayton Ohio 45435 martin.jenkins@wright.edu From hjarvis at buffalo.edu Fri Nov 30 11:22:24 2001 From: hjarvis at buffalo.edu (Hugh Jarvis) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Does your library site have a name? In-Reply-To: <032501c179b7$efb42060$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Message-ID: > XXU Library website"? My sense is that while most places gave catchy > names to their online catalogs (OSCAR, Melvyl, RaiderLink, etc.), such > has not been the trend for websites. Isn't this a standard branding question...? When does the brand add value, when does it interfere..? What are the advantages of trying to attach a new brand to an existing 'product'..? Does it compete with traditional names for the product..? Does it compete with other university brands..? What else will you do to market the concept to your users..? What else will you do to incorporate that theme into your physical library as well as online..? Colors... imagery... How will your university integrate the brand into its web system..? You want to make sure people can find the right spot by searching the main site for "unicorn" and even grab the appropriate matching domain names I would think. Despite its troubles, Ask Jeeves might be a great example of a brand "equating" to the product, the butler who answers questions (although why a butler would do so is beyond me - wouldn't "ask nanny" make more sense..?) and the brand also being the name of the web site. But for an existing product, i.e. the library & all of its resources, you don't want to overpower or confuse the two. Interesting thread. Cheers, Hugh Hugh Jarvis (PhD, MLS) Cybrarian/Web Information Coordinator Creative Services - University at Buffalo 330 Crofts Hall, Buffalo, New York, USA 14260-7015 Tel: 716 645-5000 x1428 Fax: 716 646-3765 Email: hjarvis@buffalo.edu (preferred) From msauers at bcr.org Fri Nov 30 11:31:19 2001 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: Free AV Software In-Reply-To: <01C1798F.7B577D20@LEIDIGL> Message-ID: > Our version was installed in April 2001 and expired in October 2001. I am > not that big a fan of Norton AV anyway so it was no problem for me to > uninstall it. CA InoculateIT PE is as good as NAV, uses less system > resources and is free. Why would I pay for 20 licenses of NAV when I can > have the same protection for free? It was my understanding that the free version of InoculateIT is no longer available for download and that only existing users will continue to get the updates. Can someone confirm this. Beyond that I've found AVG Anti-Virus to work much better and it is also free. The main benefit is that it updates itself, whereas you had to manually initiate InoculateIT updates. ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 30 11:41:24 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: Fw: [WEB4LIB] RE: Does your library site have a name? Message-ID: <004001c179be$1dc15080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Despite its troubles, Ask Jeeves might be a great example of a brand > "equating" to the product, the butler who answers questions... "Jeeves, of course, is a gentleman's gentleman, not a butler, but if the call comes, he can buttle with the best of them." -- Stiff Upper Lip, Jeeves. AskJeeves will have a lot to answer for when the day comes, not least of which is their hideous misrepresentation of one of fiction's finest characters. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us Fri Nov 30 12:15:26 2001 From: king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] [Fwd: Norton expired - case #33533] In-Reply-To: <3C06C134.6FF33513@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Tom, The Encarta programs will also expire and I have not found any information that says that Microsoft will continue to support it for NT. I've been told that the programs will still work, we just won't be able to download any updates. The same may be true for Streets & Maps. We installed our own virus protection (Network Associates) on our Gates PCs and have had no problems with it. Updates are simple and they even have a spanish version for the spanish PCs. I do believe the folks at the foundation mentioned that it would expire during the classes--but I don't think it is "written" anywhere. Good luck, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Tom Edelblute wrote: > Has anybody else run into this from the Gates Library Foundation? I am > unhappy that we were never told in advance that the Norton anti-virus > software was going to expire on us and that it is our responsibility for > renewing it. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Edelblute > Public Access Systems Coordinator > Anaheim Public Library phone: (714) 765-1759 > 500 West Broadway fax: (714) 765-1730 > Anaheim CA 92805 e-mail: thomas@anaheim.lib.ca.us > > > ********************************************************************* > Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, > this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there > to a plain text message. > ********************************************************************* > From mrempel at gppl.ab.ca Fri Nov 30 12:30:30 2001 From: mrempel at gppl.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: Community Projects Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011130102556.0237f670@pop.telusplanet.net> Our library is the largest in our system and is considered to be a node or portal for our province. We've been presented with an opportunity to possibly initiate some community technology projects for our region. One of the suggestions has been a community portal or some kind of local database. Are any of you working on projects of this nature and could you give me some suggestions? I know this sounds kind of vague, but it's like being given a 60-second shopping spree and having no idea what you'd like to shop for. :-) Thanks in advance! Michelle From msauers at bcr.org Fri Nov 30 13:23:24 2001 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Opera 6 released In-Reply-To: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B9DB@mail1.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: > Take a look at www.morrisville.edu with it. then compare it in > IE. I don't understand the differences in the display. Bill, I don't see any differences between O6 and IE 5.5. Can you be more specific? ------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers/ WWW Library Directory @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. Stop those X10 ads 'till 2009 - click on http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3000 ------------------------------------------------------------- From mattg at bloomingtonlibrary.org Fri Nov 30 15:23:50 2001 From: mattg at bloomingtonlibrary.org (Matt Gullett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Projects In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011130102556.0237f670@pop.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: We've been looking into several software products to assist us in developing a community web service. The products that we are currently interested in are: EZWEBonline http://www.ezwebonline.com/index.htm, Ecobuilder http://www.ecobuilder.com/, and Inchima http://www.inchima.com/. Matt Gullett Electronic Services Mgr. mattg@bloomingtonlibrary.org Bloomington Library www.bloomingtonlibrary.org (309) 828-6091 -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Rempel Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Projects Our library is the largest in our system and is considered to be a node or portal for our province. We've been presented with an opportunity to possibly initiate some community technology projects for our region. One of the suggestions has been a community portal or some kind of local database. Are any of you working on projects of this nature and could you give me some suggestions? I know this sounds kind of vague, but it's like being given a 60-second shopping spree and having no idea what you'd like to shop for. :-) Thanks in advance! Michelle From mrempel at gppl.ab.ca Fri Nov 30 15:42:59 2001 From: mrempel at gppl.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Projects In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011130102556.0237f670@pop.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011130134236.0237c530@pop.telusplanet.net> Thanks to everyone who has responded. You've provided me with some great information. Has anyone done something a bit more local - say a partnership between municipal government, local colleges and universities and the public library system? For the people that have done "community portals" do you have competing portals created by businesses for your state or city? Michelle At 01:23 PM 30/11/01, you wrote: >We've been looking into several software products to assist us in developing >a community web service. The products that we are currently interested in >are: EZWEBonline http://www.ezwebonline.com/index.htm, Ecobuilder >http://www.ecobuilder.com/, and Inchima http://www.inchima.com/. > >Matt Gullett >Electronic Services Mgr. >mattg@bloomingtonlibrary.org > >Bloomington Library >www.bloomingtonlibrary.org >(309) 828-6091 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Rempel >Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:33 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Projects > > >Our library is the largest in our system and is considered to be a node or >portal for our province. We've been presented with an opportunity to >possibly initiate some community technology projects for our region. One >of the suggestions has been a community portal or some kind of local >database. Are any of you working on projects of this nature and could you >give me some suggestions? I know this sounds kind of vague, but it's like >being given a 60-second shopping spree and having no idea what you'd like >to shop for. :-) > >Thanks in advance! > >Michelle From lytlea at oclc.org Fri Nov 30 15:57:24 2001 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: Announcement: ALA Midwinter Knowledge Access Management Pre-Confe rence Seminar Message-ID: <39D430E8DF90784BBFFE4C3FDC06E9195D6773@OA4-SERVER.oa.oclc.org> [Widely cross-posted with apologies. Please redistribute as appropriate. Thank you.] Loyola University and the OCLC Institute are pleased to present a one-day ALA Midwinter Pre-Conference seminar on "Knowledge Access Management: Tools & Concepts for Next-Generation Catalogers" Update your knowledge of cataloging Internet resources through examining key USMARC fields and AACR2 rules. The seminar also focuses on metadata, evaluating Dublin Core and other alternative description methods, including TEI, EAD and GILS. We will also discuss leading-edge concepts and systems such as automated classification and metadata record creation. When: Thursday, January 17, 2002 Where: Loyola University's J. Edgar and Louise Monroe Library. Presenter: Erik Jul, Executive Director, OCLC Institute Cost: $125.00 Seating is limited; please register early. Registration Deadline is January 9, 2002. For more information and to register, please visit (If this link was accidentally truncated, you can access this information from our home page: http://www.oclc.org/institute.) For questions, contact Amy Lytle, OCLC Institute Event Coordinator at lytlea@oclc.org or via telephone at 800-848-5878 x 5212 ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Nov 30 16:31:21 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: RILM et.al., the changes in searching In-Reply-To: <391CB910@webmail.kent.edu> References: <391CB910@webmail.kent.edu> Message-ID: <84161558578.20011130143121@riverofdata.com> There have been recent discussions on the list about the changes in availability of a number of databases, including some Wilson databases and RILM. We recently had the option of changing our RILM from a per-search charge to a subscription charge. The provider was apologetic about the mid year change. When we complained to the provider, the explanation was "Protest acknowledged. Thanks for the feedback. It was an economic survival decision on the part of RILM." This is exactly what I expected, and once again confirms that it is the database creators that are making the changes in pricing and availability, and not the service providers. It may well be that some of these database creators will die the infamous "death of a thousand cuts" as more and more of us drop the services in question. We've chosen to continue RILM on the subscription basis, at least for now, but may not be able to in the future. Searches that were costing us less than a dollar each on a per-search basis will cost about five dollars each at the subscription price, assuming usage remains the same. How many cuts will be made? How many will RILM be able to survive? The sad part may be that they can't survive either way, and then we'll all be without a valuable resource. It's a tough jungle out there in the real world..... Happy holidays, dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From Mvanhouten at albion.edu Fri Nov 30 16:50:38 2001 From: Mvanhouten at albion.edu (Michael VanHouten) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: Question about Turnitin.com Message-ID: Hello everyone - We are exploring the possibility of offering access to Turnitin.com through the Library for our faculty. I assume we would have to develop a web page of instructions, and provide login information separately. Have others of you done this? Have faculty found this to be a useful service? Thanks! Michael Van Houten Assistant Director of Libraries and Head of Public Services Stockwell-Mudd Libraries Albion College 602 E. Cass St. Albion, MI 49224 517-629-0382 mvanhouten@albion.edu From martin.jenkins at wright.edu Fri Nov 30 16:50:48 2001 From: martin.jenkins at wright.edu (Martin Jenkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RILM et.al., the changes in searching References: <84161558578.20011130143121@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3C07FF38.61505315@wright.edu> Dan Lester wrote: > > There have been recent discussions on the list about the changes in > availability of a number of databases, including some Wilson > databases and RILM. We recently had the option of changing our RILM > from a per-search charge to a subscription charge. The provider was > apologetic about the mid year change. When we complained to the > provider, the explanation was "Protest acknowledged. Thanks for the > feedback. It was an economic survival decision on the part of RILM." > This is exactly what I expected, and once again confirms that it is > the database creators that are making the changes in pricing and > availability, and not the service providers. Not so fast. Though it may have been RILM that ultimately made the decision to drop per-search availability through FirstSearch, it was OCLC's intransigence on the question of setting per search rates that forced RILM's hand. Even relying heavily on volunteer abstractors, RILM is an expensive database to produce, much moreso than a scanning/typing product like ContentsFirst. Yet OCLC insists on a one-price-fits-all approach to per-search pricing. So what's a producer to do? Dumb down the product? Fortunately, if any outfit can survive, it's RILM. Because it's not one product in a corporation's stable. It's dedicated scholars and a network of supporting volunteers, dedicated to providing information truly needed by our discipline. -- Martin Jenkins Music and Humanities Librarian Wright State University Dayton Ohio 45435 martin.jenkins@wright.edu From Swanson at moraine.cc.il.us Fri Nov 30 16:49:35 2001 From: Swanson at moraine.cc.il.us (Swanson, Troy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question about Turnitin.com Message-ID: We are considering the same. Please post findings to the list if possible. Also, our library has some concerns about violating student's intellectual property rights by submitting papers to Turnitin.com, since these papers are stored in a public database. I was wondering if anyone has tackled this issue. Thanks Troy ----- Troy Swanson Teaching and Learning Librarian Moraine Valley Community College Palos Hills, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: Michael VanHouten [mailto:Mvanhouten@albion.edu] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question about Turnitin.com Hello everyone - We are exploring the possibility of offering access to Turnitin.com through the Library for our faculty. I assume we would have to develop a web page of instructions, and provide login information separately. Have others of you done this? Have faculty found this to be a useful service? Thanks! Michael Van Houten Assistant Director of Libraries and Head of Public Services Stockwell-Mudd Libraries Albion College 602 E. Cass St. Albion, MI 49224 517-629-0382 mvanhouten@albion.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Nov 30 17:06:18 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RILM et.al., the changes in searching In-Reply-To: <3C07FF38.61505315@wright.edu> References: <84161558578.20011130143121@riverofdata.com> <3C07FF38.61505315@wright.edu> Message-ID: <83163654933.20011130150618@riverofdata.com> Friday, November 30, 2001, 2:50:48 PM, you wrote: MJ> Not so fast. Though it may have been RILM that ultimately made the MJ> decision to drop per-search availability through FirstSearch, it was MJ> OCLC's intransigence on the question of setting per search rates that MJ> forced RILM's hand. I can understand the point, but one of the features that librarians have liked best is that there is one standard price for searching and NOT a whole host of rates where you have to worry about each different one. Remember, though OCLC is a corporation with lots of employees to pay, it is still driven in great part by the demands of the libraries who are members. This is naturally done by any business, and I can bet that the change to "RILM searches will each click three searches off of your account" would have produced an even greater protest than the current one. MJ> Even relying heavily on volunteer abstractors, RILM is an expensive MJ> database to produce, much moreso than a scanning/typing product like MJ> ContentsFirst. Yet OCLC insists on a one-price-fits-all approach to MJ> per-search pricing. So what's a producer to do? Dumb down the product? As is the case in all of this, companies make business decisions that they think are best for them in the long run. OCLC and RILM may have both done what is best for their businesses, or they may not have. Only time will tell on that one. MJ> Fortunately, if any outfit can survive, it's RILM. Because it's not one MJ> product in a corporation's stable. It's dedicated scholars and a network MJ> of supporting volunteers, dedicated to providing information truly MJ> needed by our discipline. I understand and appreciate that. Perhaps RILM can survive by going to an "Open Software" type of model. My son ran a music-related database system on that model for several years before finally selling out because it didn't produce enough income for the time he had to put in on it. Happy holidays dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From sudarc at ULV.EDU Fri Nov 30 17:29:22 2001 From: sudarc at ULV.EDU (sudarc@ulv.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question about Turnitin.com References: Message-ID: <3C080842.000001.01656@CS> We are using TurnItIn.com at the University of La Verne and our faculty has found it very difficult to use. We provide in-services for all of our faculty, but I think we as well will develop and on-line list of how-to. It was much easier to utilize when it was plagiarism .com Criss K. Sudar Coordinator, Instructional Technology University of La Verne -------Original Message------- From: Mvanhouten@albion.edu Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:56:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Question about Turnitin.com Hello everyone - We are exploring the possibility of offering access to Turnitin.com through the Library for our faculty. I assume we would have to develop a web page of instructions, and provide login information separately. Have others of you done this? Have faculty found this to be a useful service? Thanks! Michael Van Houten Assistant Director of Libraries and Head of Public Services Stockwell-Mudd Libraries Albion College 602 E. Cass St. Albion, MI 49224 517-629-0382 mvanhouten@albion.edu From dan at riverofdata.com Fri Nov 30 17:33:35 2001 From: dan at riverofdata.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question about Turnitin.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <177165292137.20011130153335@riverofdata.com> Friday, November 30, 2001, 2:58:19 PM, you wrote: ST> Also, our library has some concerns about violating student's intellectual ST> property rights by submitting papers to Turnitin.com, since these papers are ST> stored in a public database. I was wondering if anyone has tackled this ST> issue. This is just one of many reasons I'd try to keep the library out of this business. Why is this a library business? Why isn't it the job of some academic support office, a learning lab, whoever runs your Blackboard or similar service, the IT shop, or almost anyone else? If you get into this you'll be dealing with all sorts of issues on logins, passwords, teaching people how to submit their papers, dealing with the complaints when they don't submit right, hearing someone whine when the system suggests they plagiarized, and so forth. Doesn't sound like our job in the library. Yes, we've always been involved with helping a prof track down citations that are suspect, dealing with the student who not only plagiarized, but also cut the articles out of the volume, and so forth. But this seems very far afield to me, and like a field that is full of all sorts of booby traps and land mines. Happy holidays dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Nov 30 18:13:11 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Question about Turnitin.com References: <177165292137.20011130153335@riverofdata.com> Message-ID: <3C081287.B80C8BDE@yvrls.lib.wa.us> I've got to agree here. This does seem to be more the job for a support office or even (horror of horrors) the faculty member themselves. I breezed on over to Turnitin's website and checked out what I could of their system (we don't subscribe) and, advertising jibba jabba aside, it looked semi-friendly. At the very least it looked intuitive enough to use effectively without several hours of training. That's not the problem though. The problem comes when a prof reads a term paper, and notices that something is fishy, and it isn't salmon. Okay, so why can't the prof or a prof's assistant hand that over to the Turnitin database? I went to a relatively small university and, in all academic departments, there were either professor's assistants or some kind of student departmental assistant who could handle this. In my experience, the University library was overworked as is just providing references for students and then they're expected to help track down every little citation that seems a bit off? Like Dan says, this method seems to invite trouble; ethical, legal, and professional. It starts with a few questions that can snowball into an avalanche of debate. Is there a legal issue involved with submitting a student's intellectual property to an online database? If so, should the student be asked first? If not then where do the professor's right to check citations end and the students right to intellectual property begin? Foregoing all that, what if the database returns an ambiguous answer, like there's a 54% similarity with other papers? 54% doesn't prove plagiarism, it merely suggests it. I don't know about you, but if I turned in a paper that I worked very hard on, and then find out that it was submitted to an online database without my permission and the professor thinks I *might* have plagiarized portions of the paper... Let's just say those are serious allegations that could wreck an academic standing and thus deny future benefits. What's that add up to? It adds up to me being able to sue a school and/or a professor for slander and defamation of character. Especially if I can prove I didn't plagiarize. Stopping plagiarism has never been easy. Turnitin may provide a tool, but I think this tool might have its own inherent problems. Have a good weekend all! Dan Dan Lester wrote: > Friday, November 30, 2001, 2:58:19 PM, you wrote: > > ST> Also, our library has some concerns about violating student's intellectual > ST> property rights by submitting papers to Turnitin.com, since these papers are > ST> stored in a public database. I was wondering if anyone has tackled this > ST> issue. > > This is just one of many reasons I'd try to keep the library out of > this business. Why is this a library business? Why isn't it the job > of some academic support office, a learning lab, whoever runs your > Blackboard or similar service, the IT shop, or almost anyone else? > > If you get into this you'll be dealing with all sorts of issues on > logins, passwords, teaching people how to submit their papers, dealing > with the complaints when they don't submit right, hearing someone > whine when the system suggests they plagiarized, and so forth. > Doesn't sound like our job in the library. > > Yes, we've always been involved with helping a prof track down > citations that are suspect, dealing with the student who not only > plagiarized, but also cut the articles out of the volume, and so > forth. But this seems very far afield to me, and like a field that is > full of all sorts of booby traps and land mines. > > Happy holidays > > dan > > -- > Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 > 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA > www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca Fri Nov 23 14:33:08 2001 From: malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca (Laura Jantek) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:27 2005 Subject: printing management systems Message-ID: <10065619882477-2319332477malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> hi, I am interested in finding out if any public libraires on web4lib are using any commerically available pay for printing software--if so what one do you use. How's it work? thanks a lot. ================================================================= Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) 60 Alderney Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4P8 From mmaddox at wcpl.lib.oh.us Fri Nov 23 15:58:21 2001 From: mmaddox at wcpl.lib.oh.us (Margaret Maddox) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 2444 (Out of Office) Message-ID: I am out of the office until Dec. 3, 2001. From jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us Fri Nov 23 17:36:27 2001 From: jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us (Jane Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:27 2005 Subject: Public Web Browser Message-ID: <100FAC43FC7CD511B3FF0010B588C414309EEA@amber2.jefferson.lib.co.us> Before using PWB, I locked down public computers extensively with Group Policy, disabling most of the start menu, and desktop settings as well as a lot of other stuff. However it seems like if I run PWB in kiosk mode there is little chance of a patron breaking out to the desktop, or am I being too hopeful? If I don't need to use all those Group Policies, I would rather not. [We are still running NT server so I am using Local Group Policy]. Jane Frasier Software Support Specialist Jefferson County (CO) Public Library From sdudart at skynet.be Sun Nov 25 04:02:25 2001 From: sdudart at skynet.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Dudart?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:29 2005 Subject: Juridical, accountancy and audit Internet ressources Message-ID: <000501c1758f$e6f3e040$890c88d9@monpc> Dear all, I am looking for american, canadian and european Internet ressources (databases, organisations, portals, forum, webagents, news, etc.) about juridical , accountancy and audit matters. I will make a summary, Thank you in advance. St?phane Dudart From sdudart at skynet.be Sun Nov 25 04:12:38 2001 From: sdudart at skynet.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Dudart?=) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:29 2005 Subject: Scientific intelligence software or web services. Message-ID: <000b01c17591$549a7180$890c88d9@monpc> Dear all, I am looking for web agents to develop scientific intelligence directly on sites or parts of sites. I am also interested in push agents, and other agents to automate information searching and distribution. I will make a summary. Thank you in advance, St?phane Dudart From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sun Nov 25 12:29:39 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:29 2005 Subject: _The Internet Journal of Chemistry_ Message-ID: _The Internet Journal of Chemistry_ I am proud to announce the publication of one of my latest e-Profiles for _Library Hi Tech News_ Gerry McKiernan, "The Internet Journal of Chemistry:: A Premier Eclectic Journal," Library Hi Tech News 18, no. 8 (September 2001): 27-35 . It is also available electronically to licensed subscribers.through the MCB University Press Emerald service [http://giorgio.emeraldinsight.com/lhtn.htm ] ABSTRACT The Internet Journal of Chemistry (IJC) ( www.ijc.com) is an electronic-only electronic journal with the primary aim of publishing the results of high-quality research in all areas of chemistry. Unlike conventional e-journals in chemistry and other scientific disciplines, IJC offers a wide variety of innovative features, functionalities, and content that augment and enhance use and understanding of article text. Among these are user annotation and commentary; data manipulation; electronic discussion forums; electronic manuscript submission; font, format, and display control; modeling; multimedia components; personalization; and reader participation. IJC is an outstanding example of the 'eclectic journal', an emerging form of the next- generation electronic journal. Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor and Science and Technology Librarian and Bibliographer Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent It" Alan Kay From SSbauschard2 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 18:51:37 2001 From: SSbauschard2 at aol.com (SSbauschard2@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:29 2005 Subject: http://www.terrorismlibrary.com Message-ID: You may find the site useful. Stefan Bauschard Boston College ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From pwhitford at braswell-library.org Mon Nov 26 07:24:32 2001 From: pwhitford at braswell-library.org (Phillip B. Whitford) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] printing management systems In-Reply-To: <10065619882477-2319332477malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> Message-ID: Laura, We use OCS Manger for NT. It works very well for us. Previously we used the honor system which didn't work so well. Patrons adapted to OCS quickly and our printing costs have dropped dramatically. OCS supports either card readers or coin op and we use coin op. It also supports an account debit system which can be used for patrons or to monitor printing costs for staff or special projects. OCS installs to a central NT server. A client is installed on each public computer. A separate print controller computer is connected directly to the printer and the coin op to manage the actual printouts. When a patron tries to print a dialog box pops up telling them how many pages and what it will cost. If they click OK the job is sent to the print management station. It goes into a print queue and the patron comes over, selects their job, pays for it, and prints it. The patron has an option of password protecting their job if they are afraid someone else might pay for it and print it. Jobs that are not printed within a administrator selectable time (we use 1 hour) are automatically deleted. If you are interested I can provide more details on the installation and use of the system. Phillip B. Whitford Braswell Memorial Library 344 Falls Rd, Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Braswell Library -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Laura Jantek Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] printing management systems hi, I am interested in finding out if any public libraires on web4lib are using any commerically available pay for printing software--if so what one do you use. How's it work? thanks a lot. ================================================================= Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) 60 Alderney Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4P8 From king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us Mon Nov 26 10:19:29 2001 From: king at julip.ci.fort-collins.co.us (Jacque King) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] printing management systems In-Reply-To: <10065619882477-2319332477malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> Message-ID: Laura, We are using Pharos Uniprint, http://www.pharos.com/products/uniprint.asp. The interface is very simple: You print from a workstation as you normally would, then you are prompted for a job name. The job goes to a queue and is held there until you go to a "print station" to select your job and then pay for it. Once it is paid for (in our case, by a copy card) it is sent to the printer. Now, all that sounds simple enough--and once you get it set up it is. However, the setup and installation is not intuitive at all and Pharos' written instructions and documentation leave much to be desired. If you choose Pharos, let me know and I will send you some "cheat sheets" I created for getting it setup. Hope this helps, Jacque King Library Technical Support Specialist Fort Collins Public Library 201 Peterson Street Fort Collins, CO 80524 (970) 221-6716 king@julip.fcgov.com On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Laura Jantek wrote: > hi, > I am interested in finding out if any public libraires on web4lib are using any commerically available pay for printing software--if so what one do you use. How's it work? > thanks a lot. > ================================================================= > Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca > Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 > Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) > 60 Alderney Drive > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > B2Y 4P8 > > > From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Mon Nov 26 11:07:18 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: Cites & Insights index now available Message-ID: The index to volume 1 of Cites & Insights: Crawford at Large (including the Preview issue) is now available. You can get it through the Cites & Insights home page http://cical.home.att.net or directly at http://home.att.net/~wcc.techx/civ1ix.pdf The 20-page file consists of a volume title sheet and a paginated 18-page index (actually two indexes, thanks to the sorting quirks of Word--an index to cited articles and a general index for everything else). That completes Volume 1. See you again in late December, with the January 2002 issue! -walt crawford- From duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu Mon Nov 26 11:52:49 2001 From: duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: Netscape 6.x and Javascript Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011121191047.00a03090@mail.lafayette.edu> I've noticed that Netscape 6.0 through 6.2 doesn't seem to like some (a lot?) of the Javascript on various pages I've visited (and, unfortunately, one which I own). Is it more likely that it's the Javascript which is at fault, or does Netscape 6.x not handle certain Javascript very well? (If anyone's interested in a sample of code which doesn't work, I'd be happy to provide it off-list.) Bob Duncan ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~ Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Nov 26 12:49:26 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 6.x and Javascript References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011121191047.00a03090@mail.lafayette.edu> Message-ID: <001701c176a3$063d1de0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > I've noticed that Netscape 6.0 through 6.2 doesn't seem to like some (a > lot?) of the Javascript on various pages I've visited (and, unfortunately, > one which I own). > > Is it more likely that it's the Javascript which is at fault, or does > Netscape 6.x not handle certain Javascript very well? (If anyone's > interested in a sample of code which doesn't work, I'd be happy to provide > it off-list.) > You can post a URL and let the JavaScript wizards take a look at it. But the bulk of such problems boils down to this: Netscape 6 does not handle "well" any scripts that look for IE5, Netscape 4, and no other browsers. Funny, Opera sometimes has that trouble too. Vet your scripts for anything that looks for browser versions directly, or for proprietary DOM objects like document.all. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu Mon Nov 26 15:57:18 2001 From: duncanr at mail.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape 6.x and Javascript Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011126155703.00a18340@mail.lafayette.edu> At 11:47 AM 11/26/2001 -0800, Thomas Dowling wrote: >You can post a URL and let the JavaScript wizards take a look at it. One of the lists wizards (thanks again to Paul McMillin) already solved the problem on the page I own. My code was at fault---I was using the predefined method "load" as a function name. Although Netscape 4.x and IE5.x apparently forgive this sloppiness, Netscape 6.x does not. Thanks to all who offered help. Bob Duncan ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~ Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From razl00 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 16:36:25 2001 From: razl00 at yahoo.com (stephanie spearman) Date: Wed May 18 14:35:32 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: printing management systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126213625.19254.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> We're doing printing somewhat the same way but using the native NT system so it's basically free. I renamed all the computers using numbers (001, 002, etc.). I then created a profile to go on each machine--as in 001u (u for 'user'), 002u, 003u, etc. The printer is kept on pause through the print manager at the circ desk. Patrons send a page to print and must then come to the desk, identify their document by computer number (you would see '001u' in the printer box which would tell you it was coming from machine 001) and pay BEFORE the printer is taken off pause. All documents are 'paused' as they come in or else taking pause off the printer would cause it to print everything in the list. I use a combination of reghacks, group policy, & logon scripts for the users. It took some time to put together but I don't have to bother with it now (except to upgrade to win2k very soon, oh well) Stephanie Spearman Electronic Services Librarian Northwest Georgia Regional Library System Dalton, GA --- Jacque King wrote: > Laura, > > We are using Pharos Uniprint, > http://www.pharos.com/products/uniprint.asp. > The interface is very simple: You print from a > workstation as you > normally would, then you are prompted for a job > name. The job goes to > a queue and is held there until you go to a "print > station" to select > your job and then pay for it. Once it is paid for > (in our case, by > a copy card) it is sent to the printer. > > Now, all that sounds simple enough--and once you get > it set up it is. > However, the setup and installation is not intuitive > at all and Pharos' > written instructions and documentation leave much to > be desired. > > If you choose Pharos, let me know and I will send > you some > "cheat sheets" I created for getting it setup. > > Hope this helps, > > Jacque King > Library Technical Support Specialist > Fort Collins Public Library > 201 Peterson Street > Fort Collins, CO 80524 > (970) 221-6716 > king@julip.fcgov.com > > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Laura Jantek wrote: > > > hi, > > I am interested in finding out if any public > libraires on web4lib are using any commerically > available pay for printing software--if so what one > do you use. How's it work? > > thanks a lot. > > > ================================================================= > > Laura Jantek > ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca > > Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 > > Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) > > 60 Alderney Drive > > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia > > B2Y 4P8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Nov 15 08:10:01 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Nov 15 Message-ID: <200111151310.fAFDA1V05773@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS November 15, 2001 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listserv@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from the listserv reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." 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Please be patient: unlike the listserv, Roy is a human and spends several minutes each day doing things other than administering Web4Lib. WHERE ARE THE LIST'S ARCHIVES? WHERE IS ITS WEB SITE? Web4Lib's online home is . Much of the information in this message is based on material at that site. The Web4Lib archives, , provide keyword searching of every message posted to the list since the spring of 1995. The archive can also be browsed by date, subject, or author. WHAT TOPICS ARE USUALLY CONSIDERED ON- AND OFF-TOPIC? The offical posting policy is located at . Please read it. Web4Lib is usually an easy-going place, open to posts that may only be tangential to the core subject of the World Wide Web and libraries. There are some helpful guidelines for keeping Web4Lib productive, however: keep your posts concise and substantive; post when you have something to add, and not simply when you want to express agreement (or disagreement) with an earlier post; post when you have something to say to all of the several thousand subscribers, and not when your message is intended only for one or two individuals; and be civil. Those guidelines aside, some types of posting are always out of line. Advertisements are inappropriate, although you may certainly comment on the merits of a product within the context of a list discussion. Vendors may discuss their products in the same context. Personal attacks, insults, and name-calling may not be posted to the list. Material with copyright restrictions that disallow distribution on the list may not be posted; if you have permission to redistribute the material, you should say so in your post. Finally, virus warnings should NOT be posted to the list until and unless they have been confirmed by CERT or CIAC . Before forwarding a virus warning to anyone, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the history of virus hoaxes at . IS THERE A LIST FOR INTERNET FILTERING? The subject of filtering software for Internet access is not off topic for Web4Lib. However, it is a subject which is certainly capable of generating enough traffic for its own list, and that list is block-lib. For information on subscribing, please visit . This list will be distributed to Web4Lib on the 1st and 15th of each month with the subject "Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List". If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Nov 15 09:55:47 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: SUNY Morrisville Named America's #1 Most-Wired Two-year College A gain! Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B94D@mail1.morrisville.edu> Please accept my apologies for tooting our horn and for multiple postings. Here is the press release from our college public relations office. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu SUNY Morrisville Named America's #1 Most-Wired Two-year College For Second Consecutive Year MORRISVILLE, N.Y. - November 14, 2001 - For the second year in a row, SUNY Morrisville has been named America's #1 Most-Wired two-year college by Yahoo! Internet Life magazine's fourth annual survey. The college's pioneer laptop and wireless programs helped propel it to the top of the magazine's prestigious "America's Most Wired Colleges" list for the first time ever in 2000, and its commitment to bringing students the most up-to-date technology to enhance their learning has helped it to remain there. This year's list of rankings was compiled from a pool of nearly 1300 two- and four-year colleges from all 50 states, making it the most competitive list ever. In addition to receiving national recognition by Yahoo! Internet Life, the college's innovative programs were featured in two articles in the Chronicle of Higher Education, a weekly national newspaper with a circulation of 500,000, and the college also received the Pioneer Award at the Fourth Annual Conference on Ubiquitous Computing. "The recognition we have received is flattering, but it's important to remember that our real goal [with the technology] is to enhance our students' learning experience," said Ray Cross, Ph.D., president of SUNY Morrisville. "Being named the 'most wired' is a reflection of that goal." SUNY Morrisville scored the highest of all two-year institutions, with criteria based on infrastructure, student resources, e-learning, Web portal, tech support and wireless access. The college began its laptop programs four years ago as a participant in IBM's ThinkPad University program. Every freshman enrolled in a ThinkPad curricula receives an IBM ThinkPad, and faculty integrate the use of laptops in the teaching and learning environment. Additionally, in partnership with Raytheon, SUNY Morrisville has fully implemented the use of wireless technology, enabling students to access the Internet and campus network from anywhere on campus. Student laptops are equipped with wireless cards and transmitters are located in all residence halls and academic buildings. The college's laptop and wireless programs are a part of Cross's vision of a completely digital environment. "At SUNY Morrisville, instead of appending technology onto education, our approach fully integrates technology into the learning process by putting it in students' hands and creating an environment where students can learn anywhere at any time," Cross said. Link to YIL listing: http://www.yil.com/wiredcolleges/20twoyearschools.pdf From bennetttm at appstate.edu Thu Nov 15 09:56:35 2001 From: bennetttm at appstate.edu (Thomas Bennett) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] NetLibrary evaluates buyout proposal In-Reply-To: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5230@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-nclive-l@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us [mailto:owner-nclive-l@ncsl.dcr.state.nc.us]On Behalf Of NC LIVE Help Desk Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:30 AM To: nclive-l Subject: netLibrary Update - OCLC Offers to Purchase netLibrary NC LIVE Community: OCLC has made an offer to purchase netLibrary. Below is a press release issued today that describes the offer and proposed relationship. Please contact the NC LIVE Help Desk if you have any questions. ------------------------------ NC LIVE Help Desk http://www.nclive.org/ Help Desk e-mail: help@nclive.org Help Desk phone: 919-513-0451 ------------ OCLC MAKES OFFER TO PURCHASE ASSETS OF NETLIBRARY Dublin, Ohio, Nov. 15, 2001 Subject to the approval of the bankruptcy court, OCLC Online Computer Library Center announces that it has made an offer to purchase substantially all the assets of netLibrary and assume certain netLibrary liabilities. netLibrary is a leading provider of eBooks, eTextbooks and Internet-based content/collection management services. Concurrently, netLibrary announced that it has voluntarily filed a petition with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Colorado for relief under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. The transaction includes a loan from OCLC, to be repaid upon the consummation of the asset sale, to fund netLibrary?s on-going operations through the transition period. OCLC?s purchase of netLibrary?s assets and its operating-funds loan to netLibrary are both subject to approval of the bankruptcy court. ?Electronic books and other forms of electronic content are quickly becoming strategic drivers in the sharing and advancement of knowledge in the digital age,? said Jay Jordan, president and CEO, OCLC. ?This potential alliance with netLibrary would advance our strategic directive to deliver technologies and services that support, extend and enhance the OCLC membership cooperative. eBooks complement our growing e-journal collection and provide exciting new synergies for our cataloging, resource sharing, reference and digital preservation services.? ?Across the OCLC cooperative, there is strong interest in OCLC?s pursuing an alliance that would continue to make netLibrary?s eBook collection available,? said William J. Crowe, Chair, OCLC Board of Trustees. ?Indeed, 14 of OCLC?s 16 U.S. regional network affiliates have arrangements for libraries in their regions to purchase netLibrary resources. The OCLC Board of Trustees has expressed its strong support for pursuing this proposed alliance with netLibrary.? ?OCLC represents an excellent opportunity for netLibrary patrons, customers and content partners to continue to deliver the benefits of eBooks and electronic media to an expanding market. OCLC and netLibrary share a common commitment to grow and strengthen the role of libraries and educators in the digital age,? said Rob Kaufman, president and CEO of netLibrary. ?We are proud of netLibrary?s role in pioneering the eBook and eTextbook markets. A potential alliance with OCLC would extend the opportunity to reach more patrons, grow catalog content and provide new and innovative learning opportunities in libraries, classrooms, homes and offices around the globe.? netLibrary develops and markets eBooks and MetaText digital textbooks. eBooks are full-text electronic versions of published books that library patrons can search, borrow, read, and return via the Internet. With netLibrary eBooks, users can access library resources anywhere, anytime, and perform full-text searches across hundreds of books or within a specific book to speed research and reference projects. eBooks can be viewed online from any location using an Internet browser. netLibrary?s catalog now contains approximately 40,000 titles covering a wide range of subject areas such as business, economics, technology, the social sciences and more. netLibrary also markets MetaText digital textbooks, interactive, web-based textbooks with enhanced teaching, collaborating and learning tools for teachers and students. MetaText works with the leading textbook publishers to transform print textbooks into course-centric digital textbook learning environments. The MetaText catalog of digital textbooks, which includes more than 160 titles, covers topical areas ranging from Anthropology to Zoology. About OCLC Headquartered in Dublin, Ohio, OCLC Online Computer Library Center is a nonprofit organization that provides computer-based cataloging, reference, resource sharing and preservation services to 40,000 libraries in 81 countries and territories. OCLC was founded in 1967 to improve access to the world?s information and reduce information costs, and conducts ongoing research to develop technologies to support that mission. Forest Press, a division of OCLC since 1988, publishes the Dewey Decimal Classification system. About netLibrary netLibrary is the leading provider of eBooks and Internet-based content management services for the institutional library market. netLibrary develops, archives, hosts, and maintains eBook collections for academic, corporate, public, and school libraries. Thousands of libraries throughout the United States and internationally are currently providing netLibrary eBooks to their patrons. The MetaText Division of netLibrary creates, hosts and manages web-based digital textbooks for leading textbook publishers. MetaText digital textbooks provide instructors and students with a full range of interactive teaching, collaborating and learning tools. -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] NetLibrary evaluates buyout proposal More on netLibrary. This from today's (Wednesday's) business section in the Boulder paper (The Daily Camera): http://www.thedailycamera.com/business/14anetl.html According to the article "An announcement of a possible sale could come as soon as a day or two." They wouldn't name the company who had proposed to buy netLibrary. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Nov 15 10:31:28 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Lists of most Wired Colleges Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B94F@mail1.morrisville.edu> Go to http://www.mostwiredcolleges.com. The lists are in PDF format. The URL listed will redirect you to the proper page. Bill Drew From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Thu Nov 15 10:45:50 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Revised: Lists of most Wired Colleges Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B950@mail1.morrisville.edu> Sorry, with egg on my face. It is http://www.wiredcolleges.com. -----Original Message----- From: Drew, Bill Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:31 AM To: NYLINE@UNIX10.NYSED.GOV; Web4Lib (E-mail); SUNYLA-L (E-mail); List - College Libraries (E-mail) Subject: Lists of most Wired Colleges Go to http://www.mostwiredcolleges.com. The lists are in PDF format. The URL listed will redirect you to the proper page. Bill Drew From lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us Thu Nov 15 12:33:51 2001 From: lnichols at victoria.lib.tx.us (Lelia Nichols) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Projector Message-ID: <002901c16dfb$b189c6e0$168ad5c6@victoria.lib.tx.us> I am in the process of researching projectors for a new portable wireless lab that we have slated for the future. We are currently using a viewsonic pj875 in our Gates computer lab, and don't have any complaints with it. The view sonic is the 9" stand up model. I was thinking more the laid down version for portablility. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations on a projector that would best suit a portable lab in conjuction with laptops. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Lelia A. Nichols Senior Computer Lab Assistant Victoria Public Library 361-572-6867 lnichols@victoria.lib.tx.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From rich at richardwiggins.com Thu Nov 15 14:14:05 2001 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Google as Acrobat reader (!) Message-ID: <20011115191405.15944.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> I just discovered something. Google now offers a "View as HTML" link for hit list entries corresponding to PDF files. To see examples, just go to Google, search for "PDF", and scroll for a hit list item that includes the "View as HTML" link. Does anyone know if this is new behavior? I know they've been indexing PDFs for some months now, but I don't recall this option. I suppose this just falls out of the fact that they translate the PDF to HTML and feed that to their parser and indexer, and that they also cache those intermediate files, but I think it's really cool. /rich (PS -- there must be a library technology angle there somewhere. Suppose your patrons use Web TV to read PDF files that your library hosts. There. :-) ) Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From jkup at jkup.net Thu Nov 15 14:48:20 2001 From: jkup at jkup.net (John Kupersmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Library Intranets Message-ID: <3BE042D0000C0959@iso1.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com) re Carole Noble's question: >We are considering creating an intranet for library staff >and would like to have a look at intranets designed by >other libraries. Does anyone have or know of an intranet >that we would be able to have a look at? This web page has links to a number of "staff-use" home pages from academic and public libraries: < http://www.jkup.net/other.html > Most of the staff-use sites linked here are open-access, though for some, only a screen image is available. --jk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Kupersmith Reference Librarian University of California, Berkeley jkup@jkup.net http://www.jkup.net *Not speaking for UCB in this message* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. From bernies at uillinois.edu Thu Nov 15 14:57:10 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5253@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> That feature's been there a while. I've made quite a bit of use of it. Not all PDF documents make the transition gracefully, though. I've seen some with pretty ugly formatting when viewing PDF documents as HTML via Google. Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wiggins [mailto:rich@richardwiggins.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) I just discovered something. Google now offers a "View as HTML" link for hit list entries corresponding to PDF files. To see examples, just go to Google, search for "PDF", and scroll for a hit list item that includes the "View as HTML" link. Does anyone know if this is new behavior? I know they've been indexing PDFs for some months now, but I don't recall this option. I suppose this just falls out of the fact that they translate the PDF to HTML and feed that to their parser and indexer, and that they also cache those intermediate files, but I think it's really cool. /rich (PS -- there must be a library technology angle there somewhere. Suppose your patrons use Web TV to read PDF files that your library hosts. There. :-) ) Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From flittle at library.tmc.edu Thu Nov 15 15:05:29 2001 From: flittle at library.tmc.edu (Felicia Little) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) In-Reply-To: <20011115191405.15944.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: I believe this has been going on for quite some time. I've used that feature several time. And yes, this is a superb feature. Cheers, Felicia -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Richard Wiggins Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) I just discovered something. Google now offers a "View as HTML" link for hit list entries corresponding to PDF files. To see examples, just go to Google, search for "PDF", and scroll for a hit list item that includes the "View as HTML" link. Does anyone know if this is new behavior? I know they've been indexing PDFs for some months now, but I don't recall this option. I suppose this just falls out of the fact that they translate the PDF to HTML and feed that to their parser and indexer, and that they also cache those intermediate files, but I think it's really cool. /rich (PS -- there must be a library technology angle there somewhere. Suppose your patrons use Web TV to read PDF files that your library hosts. There. :-) ) Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us Thu Nov 15 15:11:17 2001 From: schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us (Donna Schumann) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: Problems with WinSelect and IE Message-ID: <3BF42165.BED1B8CB@timberland.lib.wa.us> We are having problems with WinSelect closing IE when a patron clicks on certain links. (We use NT 4.0 SP6, IE5.5, and WinSelect 5.) This used to happen on links using mouseover or hover code, and it got better when we upgraded to the current version of WinSelect. However, it continues to happen on other links. We do have a workaround -- you can follow the link by right-clicking on the link and selecting Open Link. However, it is difficult to get this information out to our patrons before they are frustrated because they can't get to the information they seek. Right now this problem is very annoying because it is happening on The Gale Group's Health & Wellness Resource Center. We have reported the problem to Hypertechnologies, but it seems to take a very long time to get a fix or upgrade out of them. I was wondering if any other WinSelect users on Web4Lib have encountered this problem, and how you are addressing it. Thanks! Donna -- Donna Schumann, Computer Application Specialist Timberland Regional Library, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA 98501 Voice: 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Email: schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us From CHUDSON at flower-mound.com Thu Nov 15 16:05:54 2001 From: CHUDSON at flower-mound.com (Connie Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: LPT One Message-ID: Does anyone have experience, good or bad, with LPT One printing control software? I am only interested in the stand alone mode at this time. I may purchase the Release Station module, but would not be able to implement it until we get more staff. Thanks for your advice. Connie Hudson Systems Coordinator Flower Mound Public Library Flower Mound, TX chudson@flower-mound.com 972-874-6161 From calumet at mindspring.com Thu Nov 15 20:21:41 2001 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Google as Acrobat reader (!) In-Reply-To: <20011115191405.15944.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115202030.021ed4c0@pop.mindspring.com> At 02:31 PM 11/15/2001, Richard Wiggins wrote: >I just discovered something. Google now offers a "View as HTML" link for >hit list entries corresponding to PDF files. To see examples, just go to >Google, search for "PDF", and scroll for a hit list item that includes the >"View as HTML" link. > >Does anyone know if this is new behavior? I know they've been indexing >PDFs for some months now, but I don't recall this option. > >I suppose this just falls out of the fact that they translate the PDF to >HTML and feed that to their parser and indexer, and that they also cache >those intermediate files, but I think it's really cool. Actually Google now indexes several different types of files and makes them available as HTML. Article: http://www.researchbuzz.com/articles/google1106.html Tara ResearchBuzz: " ... without a doubt one of the most consistently valuable and interesting Internet resources newsletters available." -- The Scout Report http://www.researchbuzz.com From cchick at earthlink.net Fri Nov 16 01:30:15 2001 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:31 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - November 15, 2001 Message-ID: New on LLRX.com for November 15, 2001: http://www.llrx.com **Thinking About Law Firm Security After September 11th http://www.llrx.com/features/lawfirmsecurity.htm Wendy Leibowitz focuses on two major aspects of a security review; protecting people's lives and protecting their work. **Book Review: The Invisible Web http://www.llrx.com/features/invisibleweb.htm Donna Cavallini gives a strong recommendation to a new book by Gary Price and Chris Sherman, The Invisible Web: Uncovering Information Sources Search Engines Can?t See. **The Electronic Parliament: Resources for Tracking U.K. Legislation http://www.llrx.com/features/e_parliament.htm Stephen Young provides researchers with a detailed guide on the UK legislative process, inclusive of an easy to use table to track bills through Parliament, and a chart outlining the process for a public bill. **Update to Introduction to the Swiss Legal System: A Guide for Foreign Researchers http://www.llrx.com/features/swiss2.htm Swiss attorney Fridolin M.R. Walther has updated his guide with numerous new Web resources on topics that include the government, citation rules, and areas from antitrust through tax law. **The Continued Need for Web Training http://www.llrx.com/columns/notes47.htm The complexity of electronic research and the limitations of what is really available on the Web conflicts with the widely held belief that everything is now easily accessible. Cindy Curling provides much needed guidance for administrators and end-users on the continued importance of training to effectively leverage the real value of the Web. **Federal, State and Commercial Bill Tracking Resources - Updated http://www.llrx.com/columns/roundup18.htm Kathy Biehl's comprehensive resource has been updated to include the latest additions and changes to bill tracking services, many of which are available at no cost to users. **Judgment Interest Rates http://www.llrx.com/columns/reference31.htm Jan Bisset and Margi Heinen provide sources and search strategies for finding state judgment interest rates. **Middle East Issue Experts http://www.llrx.com/extras/middleeast.htm Compiled by Paul D. Healy, this annotated list includes Islamic experts, centers for the study of Islam in North America, academic institutions focusing on the study of Islam and religious studies, and other resources. **What's New On the Technology Side http://www.llrx.com/extras/newtech.htm Barbara Fullerton highlights the latest trends in PDAs, digital cameras and video conferencing. **Editor's Featured Site - eMedicine.com http://www.emedicine.com Given recent events, it is no surprise that this site's traffic has increased by 150% since August. It provides a wealth of well documented content by over 10,000 physicians/contributing editors across all medical specialties, and includes their respective credentials. Users may locate information on this extensive online medical reference using search terms or by topic. (Editor, Sabrina I. Pacifici) **Latest Links http://www.llrx.com/links/111501.htm Margaret Berkland reviews: ATM Locators sponsored by Mastercard and Visa; National Compensation Survey; PriceSCAN.com; Recommendations for choosing a cellular plan; Telephone Directories on the Web. **LLRXBuzz November 12, 2001 http://www.llrx.com/buzz/buzz82.htm Tara Calishain reviews: Pac-Info Gets New Name, Overhaul Colorado Court Index Site Features California Economy TribalCourts Your Right to Know in Washington State New Articles at ResearchBuzz From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Nov 2 10:36:34 2001 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Chrisy) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: IE Lockdown Message-ID: <000a01c163b4$278b7ac0$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> I use Fortres here. Works great! You can disable the start button and everything else you want. Even block web sites. Works great for a dedicated card catalog computer. I have my computers set up as groups then I can change a group of computer restrictions and not bother the other groups. I recommend it for anybody who provides computers to the public. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Nov 2 11:28:50 2001 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Chrisy) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: IE Lockdown Message-ID: <000b01c163bb$74ba86e0$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> Go to www.fortres.com. Look at Fortres 101 and Central Command. I have Win95/98. It will run on all windows OS, 95 98 ME NT or 2000 If you don't have CC, You will be going to every computer making the same changes. PAIN! CC runs on NT Server or 2000, when you make a change in a group, all computers will pickup the change from the server. It is worth the money. I have Clean Slate loaded to. However, I have the computers locked down so tight I have not really needed clean slate. I also have all the different brands in each area Ghosted (Symanntec). So if there is a problem, it only takes about 5 minutes to re-ghost a computer. These three pieces software is invaluable to me. Along with a Network bootable floppy. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 From malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca Fri Nov 2 05:42:50 2001 From: malj1 at nsh.library.ns.ca (Laura Jantek) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: public use computers inventory Message-ID: <100471577020309-02104220309malj1@hrl.nsh.library.ns.ca> I would be interested in seeing how other libraries inventory information about all the public use computers in a library system. Do you collect by type; by branch; what sort of information do you try to control (e.g. what version of browser on each machine; consistency of plug-ins available, if multimedia, provenence of PC[was it a Gates computer for instance] etc.etc. Who is responsible for updating and how is the information updated. If anyone has any samples of how and what they collect I would appreciate seeing it and will post to list if folks seem interested. thanks. ================================================================= Laura Jantek ljantek@nsh.library.ns.ca Virtual Library Manager (902)490-5823 Halifax Regional Library (902)490-5762(fax) 60 Alderney Drive Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4P8 From cirwin at world.std.com Fri Nov 2 09:50:45 2001 From: cirwin at world.std.com (Charles R Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE Lockdown In-Reply-To: <000a01c163b4$278b7ac0$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> Message-ID: The library I'm working at just upgraded to Windows 2000 and the latest Fortres. We've been having problems based on figuring out which applications (such as Adobe Acrobat Reader) need to have access to the write to the hard drive. You can set that up in Fortres but it may take awhile to figure out which programs have to be listed in the Fortres permission set-up. Charlie Irwin Simmons College MLIS student On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Arthur Chrisy wrote: > I use Fortres here. Works great! You can disable the start button and > everything else you want. Even block web sites. Works great for a > dedicated card catalog computer. I have my computers set up as groups then I > can change a group of computer restrictions and not bother the other groups. > I recommend it for anybody who provides computers to the public. > > Arthur Christy > Texas A&M University Texarkana > Library Datacenter > 1024 Tucker Street > Texarkana, TX 75505 > 903-223-3159 > From mrempel at gppl.ab.ca Fri Nov 2 10:37:33 2001 From: mrempel at gppl.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE Lockdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011102083526.00a0bd50@pop.telusplanet.net> I've found that the tech support at Fortres can be good for this. If you send them the diagnostics log for that machine they can help you with the settings for the more common programs. Michelle At 08:32 AM 02/11/01, you wrote: >The library I'm working at just upgraded to Windows 2000 and the latest >Fortres. We've been having problems based on figuring out which >applications (such as Adobe Acrobat Reader) need to have access to the >write to the hard drive. You can set that up in Fortres but it may take >awhile to figure out which programs have to be listed in the Fortres >permission set-up. > >Charlie Irwin >Simmons College MLIS student > > >On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Arthur Chrisy wrote: > > > I use Fortres here. Works great! You can disable the start button and > > everything else you want. Even block web sites. Works great for a > > dedicated card catalog computer. I have my computers set up as groups > then I > > can change a group of computer restrictions and not bother the other > groups. > > I recommend it for anybody who provides computers to the public. > > > > Arthur Christy > > Texas A&M University Texarkana > > Library Datacenter > > 1024 Tucker Street > > Texarkana, TX 75505 > > 903-223-3159 > > From richard at goerwitz.com Fri Nov 2 10:43:42 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: Remote (aka off-campus) access system References: Message-ID: <3BE2BF2E.2DF6FBB4@Goerwitz.COM> Libraries with solid Unix support infrastructures may be interested in taking a look at what has happened to Brown University's pass- through proxy system of late. Here's the URL for the most recent version of the software: http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/libproxy/dist/ Those interested in the whole problem of creating cheap, secure intranet portals (which is essentially what pass-through library proxies are) might also want to look at: http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/libproxy/docs/portal/portal.html -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Nov 2 10:44:33 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: DMCA going too far??? Message-ID: <3BE2BF60.9AE83847@yvrls.lib.wa.us> Raymond Wood wrote: > Of course not - very few repressive laws advertise themselves as > such. One has to read in between the lines for the 'subtext'. Agreed. The situation is similar to how despotic dictators never call themselves a despotic dictator. It's their actions that make them what they are. The DMCA follows this example. When it was railroaded through congress like a frieght train driven by an engineer on crack, few people in the House and Senate actually mentioned how repressive this law would be. And of course, we saw how much the Reps and Senators listened to their constituent's opinions... It passed in the face of heavy opposition from the common folks like us. So let's take a look at the DMCA scoreboard for today, brought to you by the good folks at Corporate America and the National Socialist Party. We've got 1 foreign national in jail for "breaking" the DMCA on Russian soil. We've had 2 scientists get their work suppressed by the RIAA. We've got 1 Russian company also being brought under charges via the DMCA. In addition we've had several reverse engineering and bug fixing schemes supressed because people were afraid of going to jail. And finally, we've got 2600 and the DeCSS gig going on as well. And that, my bookloving friends, are only the cases that I know about. I'm sure there's more. Hrmm. DMCA, RIAA, MPAA, CIPA, COPA.... There's gotta be some connection with all these laws and organizations being four letter words and ending with the letter A. Dan -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us Fri Nov 2 10:46:24 2001 From: dmesser at yvrls.lib.wa.us (Daniel Messer) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: DMCA, maybe there's hope! Message-ID: <3BE2BFD0.D9C67F7A@yvrls.lib.wa.us> >From an article on ZDnet... A California court has dealt a potentially serious setback to the movie industry's attempt to rid the online world of software that can help break through copy protections on DVDs. .... "Although the social value of DeCSS may be questionable, it is nonetheless pure speech," the decision reads. "Our respect for the legislature and its enactment of the (trade secrets law) cannot displace our duty to safeguard the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment." If you wish to read further, check out: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5099131,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From htabatabai at ucok.edu Fri Nov 2 11:09:40 2001 From: htabatabai at ucok.edu (htabatabai@ucok.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE Lockdown References: <000b01c163bb$74ba86e0$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> Message-ID: <3BE2C544.331CA40A@ucok.edu> Arthur, Look at http://teamsoftware.bizland.com . They have a product called Public Web Browser. It will allow you to control all IE functions from within an INI file. Give it a tour. Habib 8-) Arthur Chrisy wrote: > Go to www.fortres.com. Look at Fortres 101 and Central Command. I have > Win95/98. It will run on all windows OS, 95 98 ME NT or 2000 If you don't > have CC, You will be going to every computer making the same changes. PAIN! > CC runs on NT Server or 2000, when you make a change in a group, all > computers will pickup the change from the server. It is worth the money. I > have Clean Slate loaded to. However, I have the computers locked down so > tight I have not really needed clean slate. I also have all the different > brands in each area Ghosted (Symanntec). So if there is a problem, it only > takes about 5 minutes to re-ghost a computer. These three pieces software > is invaluable to me. Along with a Network bootable floppy. > > Arthur Christy > Texas A&M University Texarkana > Library Datacenter > 1024 Tucker Street > Texarkana, TX 75505 > 903-223-3159 -- Habib Tabatabai Coordinator, Automated Reference Services University of Central Oklahoma, Chambers Library 100 University Dr. Edmond, OK 73034-0192 Voice: 405-974-2865 E-mail: htabatabai@ucok.edu Fax: 405-974-3806 From raywood at magma.ca Fri Nov 2 11:21:53 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Remote (aka off-campus) access system In-Reply-To: <3BE2BF2E.2DF6FBB4@Goerwitz.COM> References: <3BE2BF2E.2DF6FBB4@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <20011102112153.C4890@magma.ca> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 07:46:14AM -0800, Richard L. Goerwitz III remarked: > Libraries with solid Unix support infrastructures may be interested > in taking a look at what has happened to Brown University's pass- > through proxy system of late. > > Here's the URL for the most recent version of the software: > > http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/libproxy/dist/ Very interesting indeed! FWIW, anyone interested in the section on VPN at the above URL may also be interested in investigating a free software tool called 'FreeS/WAN'. For more details: http://www.freeswan.org/ Raymond From richard at goerwitz.com Fri Nov 2 11:46:21 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: OpenURLs and the problem of academic research References: <20011102112153.C4890@magma.ca> Message-ID: <3BE2CDDD.216FC9E7@Goerwitz.COM> Over the last month I've been finding myself increasingly frustrated with OpenURL deployments I'm seeing. I'm also becoming increasingly worried about the frenzy many libraries are in to hop on the "open linking" bandwagon without fully understanding the benefits and defe- cits of doing so. I've written up a draft of a paper articulating some of the history behind OpenURLs - but focusing in on why current deployments aren't really cutting to the root of what academic/research environments need: http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/papers/ucla/presentation.html I'd be interested in feedback or comments. This paper is only a draft, and will not remain online indefinitely. If it reappears anywhere else, it is likely to do so in a markedly different form. My overall sense is that the library community, particularly in the US, isn't really looking at how researchers actually work and what they really want/need out of an open linking environment. I am all for OpenURLs, by the way - I'm just for making sure lib- rarians know exactly what they're getting into, too. -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From arthur.christy at tamut.edu Fri Nov 2 14:15:36 2001 From: arthur.christy at tamut.edu (Arthur Chrisy) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE Lockdown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c163d2$c0b42d00$a3935fa5@tamut.edu> Goto Fortres website knowledge base. They have instruction on how to set acrobat reader up. Arthur Christy Texas A&M University Texarkana Library Datacenter 1024 Tucker Street Texarkana, TX 75505 903-223-3159 -----Original Message----- From: Charles R Irwin [mailto:cirwin@world.std.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:51 AM To: Arthur Chrisy Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] IE Lockdown The library I'm working at just upgraded to Windows 2000 and the latest Fortres. We've been having problems based on figuring out which applications (such as Adobe Acrobat Reader) need to have access to the write to the hard drive. You can set that up in Fortres but it may take awhile to figure out which programs have to be listed in the Fortres permission set-up. Charlie Irwin Simmons College MLIS student On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Arthur Chrisy wrote: > I use Fortres here. Works great! You can disable the start button and > everything else you want. Even block web sites. Works great for a > dedicated card catalog computer. I have my computers set up as groups then I > can change a group of computer restrictions and not bother the other groups. > I recommend it for anybody who provides computers to the public. > > Arthur Christy > Texas A&M University Texarkana > Library Datacenter > 1024 Tucker Street > Texarkana, TX 75505 > 903-223-3159 > From richard at goerwitz.com Fri Nov 2 12:56:39 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: Linux, too (was Remote [aka off-campus] access system) References: <3BE2BF2E.2DF6FBB4@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <3BE2DE57.273184@Goerwitz.COM> > Libraries with solid Unix support infrastructures may be interested > in taking a look at what has happened to Brown University's pass- > through proxy system of late. It's been pointed out to me that Unix, in many people's minds, does not imply Linux. So, just to be explicit: The remote-access system used at Brown will run under Linux, too - http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/libproxy/dist/ -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From stefaan.renard at vub.ac.be Fri Nov 2 13:14:20 2001 From: stefaan.renard at vub.ac.be (Stefaan Renard) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] OpenURLs and the problem of academic research Message-ID: <200111021814.TAA28177@mach.vub.ac.be> > http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/papers/ucla/presentation.html > >I'd be interested in feedback or comments. This paper is only a >draft, and will not remain online indefinitely. If it reappears >anywhere else, it is likely to do so in a markedly different form. I didn't find any reference to the Cookiepusher document ( cf. http://sfxserv.rug.ac.be/openurl/cookiepusher.html ). Are you aware of this solution to recognize a user who wants context-sensitive services? PS: you can see a working example of the cookiepusher @ http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/distributed-systems/openurl/ Best regards, Stefaan --------------------------- stefaan.renard@vub.ac.be http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/ 02/629.37.04 --------------------------- stefaan.renard@vub.ac.be 02/629.37.04 From raywood at magma.ca Fri Nov 2 13:35:16 2001 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linux, too (was Remote [aka off-campus] access system) In-Reply-To: <3BE2DE57.273184@Goerwitz.COM> References: <3BE2DE57.273184@Goerwitz.COM> Message-ID: <20011102133516.G4890@magma.ca> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:57:24AM -0800, Richard L. Goerwitz III remarked: > > Libraries with solid Unix support infrastructures may be interested > > in taking a look at what has happened to Brown University's pass- > > through proxy system of late. > > It's been pointed out to me that Unix, in many people's minds, does > not imply Linux. > > So, just to be explicit: The remote-access system used at Brown > will run under Linux, too - > > http://www.goerwitz.com:31265/libproxy/dist/ One way to look at this is something like: "Unix is the grandparent of Linux". Linux (or GNU/Linux if you prefer) is the latest, and some might say greatest, *free* implementation of Unix. My $0.02, Raymond From richard at goerwitz.com Fri Nov 2 13:33:10 2001 From: richard at goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re:OpenURLs and the problem of academic research References: <200111021814.TAA28177@mach.vub.ac.be> Message-ID: <3BE2E6E6.A5FAF0E5@Goerwitz.COM> Stefaan Renard wrote: > I didn't find any reference to the Cookiepusher document ( cf. > http://sfxserv.rug.ac.be/openurl/cookiepusher.html ). Are you > aware of this solution to recognize a user who wants context- > sensitive services? All I can do is offer you my take on things, from what I've seen so far: Only a couple of vendors actually use the cookiepusher method. And it seems to involve kludges like users clicking on images and setting cookies. The solution also relies on JavaScript, as I recall, which is a security problem - and which really shouldn't be mandatory for any general-use web system. Also, the cookiepusher method, from what I can see, can prove prob- lematic if used via a reverse proxy (which many libraries do use these days). I'd really appreciate clarification on these points from peo- ple who have been working with this method of providing context- sensitive services. -- Richard Goerwitz richard@Goerwitz.COM tel: 401 438 8978 From Joanne_Ren at bose.com Fri Nov 2 14:16:54 2001 From: Joanne_Ren at bose.com (Ren, Joanne) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] DMCA -- Upcoming Event -- NEASIST Message-ID: <8BBA7B03263AD5118AE80003470D456D014AC40F@new-minerva.bose.com> American Society for Information Science & Technology - New England Chapter (NEASIST) presents: "The Future of Fair Use" The Digital Millennium Copyright Act has raised many questions about the future of fair use in research, education, publishing, music, art, and countless other aspects of our information society. Join us in discussing the DMCA, Fair Use and continued access to copyrighted materials. Learn what can be, and is being done to shape the future of Fair Use. When: Tuesday, December 11, 2001; 8:30 am - 4:45 pm Where: Wong Auditorium Massachusetts Institute of Technology Building E-51 Cambridge, MA Directions to MIT: http://whereis.mit.edu/doc/getting-to-mit.html Wong Auditorium: http://whereis.mit.edu/bin/map?locate=wong Speakers will include: ... Walter McDonough, Esq., General Counsel for the Future of Music Coalition ... Robin Gross, Esq., Fair Use Attorney, Electronic Frontier Foundation ... Professor Patricia Seed, Rice University ... Professor Jonathan Zittrain, Berkman Center, Harvard Law School ... Ivy Anderson, Library Digital Initiative, Harvard University Registration fee includes continental breakfast and refreshments. Lunch is not included. Registrations will be processed on a first come, first served basis. Online registration is encouraged. Registrations must be received by December 1, 2001. Registration costs: ASIS member: $55 Non-member: $65 Student/Retiree/Between jobs: $30 For more information (including where to park), and registration instructions, see: http://www.neasist.org From courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Nov 2 15:16:20 2001 From: courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Martin Courtois) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: Error Messages from Extreme Tracker Message-ID: Has anyone encountered error messages in IE as a result of using Extreme Tracker? After adding the Extreme Tracker code (see below) to our homepage (www.gwu.edu/gelman/index.html), we started getting a "Done, but with errors on page" message upon loading the page in IE 5.5. Here are the details on the error: Line: 232 Char: 1 Error: Object doesn't support this property or method. Code: 0 When I open index.html in an editor that numbers lines (such as HomeSite), there is no line 232! When I remove the Extreme Tracker code, the error message disappears. The support folks at Extreme Tracker have not been helpful, insisting that I'm using an editor that is modifying the code as I copy/paste it. I checked the code on our page with the code on the Extreme Tracker download page, and they're identical. If anyone's run into the same problem, I'd be interested to hear about it. Thanks for your help, Marty Here's the code: *********************************************************** Martin Courtois Science/Engineering Librarian Gelman Library George Washington University 2130 H St., N.W. Washington DC 20052 Phone: (202) 994-0684 FAX: (202) 463-6205 E-mail: courtois@gwu.edu From TMccoy at city.newport-beach.ca.us Fri Nov 2 15:41:53 2001 From: TMccoy at city.newport-beach.ca.us (McCoy, Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Error Messages from Extreme Tracker Message-ID: <69DB2122006FD511AE44009027406B240128EB@EXCHANGE_LIB> If I remember this correctly, Xtreme Tracking offers different code for Frames, Tables or Plain HTML. That would be my first suspect. There is indeed a line 232... it is rendered in the browser, not the original HTML file you posses. Try viewing source, saving it, and then opening that in your editor (only to see how the code changes when rendered). Line 232 is a part of what the tracker renders. I had to rely on their product earlier this year, and my only complaint is that it adds a second or two of "load time" when a customer accesses your site. Sincerely, Thomas McCoy Web Development Specialist Visit the newly re-designed site at http://www.city.newport-beach.ca.us/nbpl/ From jfruit at nslsilus.org Fri Nov 2 16:21:29 2001 From: jfruit at nslsilus.org (jfruit@nslsilus.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: Alternate Windows Shells In-Reply-To: <69DB2122006FD511AE44009027406B240128EB@EXCHANGE_LIB> Message-ID: Hi, I think someone had mentioned that they were using Netscape as their window's shell recently on this list. I was wondering if anyone ever looked into using one of the alternate windows shells (such as litestep or GeoShell) on their library's public machines. If so, what were your thoughts on it? Here were some sites for the curious: www.litestep.net www.geoshell.com www.litestep.com http://desktopian.org/ Thanks John From Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu Fri Nov 2 18:47:28 2001 From: Lonna.Beers at nhmccd.edu (Beers, Lonna) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: TxDLA 5th Annual Conference April 2-4, 2002 Message-ID: <3B2841711F84D411B58B00A0C9EAA49A01F76A53@doexch1.nhmccd.edu> (Please excuse multiple postings.) TxDLA 2002--On the Right Track 5th Annual Conference April 2-4, 2002 Beechwood Westin (near the Texas Motor Speedway!) Ft. Worth, Texas Join us in Ft. Worth for the 5th Annual Texas Distance Learning Association Conference. Experience the best methods, practices and technologies for teaching in today's expanding distance learning arena. Presentation Topics Will Focus On: * Higher Education * Primary/Secondary Education (K-12) * Partners & Collaborations * Management & Administration * Technology Solutions * Faculty, Staff & Professional Development * Multi-Interest Sessions Who Should Attend: * K-12 classroom teachers * Technologists * Community leaders * Extension educators * Educational administrators * Instructional designers * Media specialists & librarians * College/university professors * School Board Members Special Program Activities Include: *How-to Sessions *Electronic Showcase *Roundtable Discussions *Distance Moment Awards (or have I got a story for you!) Call For Presentations: http://www.txdla.org/events/20 02Conf/cfp.htm Innovations, best practices, interesting research and development, coalitions, successful applications...Spread the word, share the knowledge! Want to learn more? Visit our website www.txdla.org Lonna J. Beers Librarian & Web Administrator The University Center 3232 College Park Drive Conroe, TX 77384 936.273.7562 (office) 936.273.7616 (fax) lonna.beers@nhmccd.edu http://www.tuc.edu/lrc From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Nov 2 19:37:18 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re:OpenURLs and the problem of academic research Message-ID: <2.1-49700902-374-A-OEWW@ohiolink.edu> > I didn't find any reference to the Cookiepusher document ( cf. > http://sfxserv.rug.ac.be/openurl/cookiepusher.html ). Are you aware of > this solution to recognize a user who wants context-sensitive > services? Also be aware that the default installation settings for the current versions of IE/Win and Netscape include security settings that defeat the cookie pusher, which is after all the same trick used by Doubleclick, Ad Monitor, et al. Implementations also have to walk a fine line between setting the cookie in too few places ( = many users don't get it set) and in too many places ( = performance hits on too many pages that have to contact a script across the net at doi.org). Thomas Dowling OhioLINK tdowling@ohiolink.edu From Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu Wed Nov 14 09:18:13 2001 From: Jamane.Yeager at elon.edu (Jamane Yeager) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: reference/library web site transition Message-ID: Does anyone have any suggestions on I might be able to go from reference librarian to web master. Right now I am a reference librarian/electronic resource librarian. But there are not enough hours in the day to complete the electronic portion, especially when working on the library's web site,getting information on new databases,setting up trials, etc. There's so much that I would like to do. Your suggestions would be deeply appreciated. ---------------------------------------- Jamane Yeager Email: Jamane.Yeager@elon.edu Reference/Electronic Resource Librarian Elon University (336) 278-6576 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Nov 14 10:10:53 2001 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: Beyond Accessibility: Treating Users with Disabilities References: <003801c16c91$405255c0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3BF2897D.7E3ED0D0@tln.lib.mi.us> Jakob Nielsen takes on the issue of creating web sites for people with disabilities. See: http://useit.com/alertbox/20011111.html Unfortunately, the accompanying report is probably a bit too expensive for most libraries. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From wprice at panam.edu Wed Nov 14 10:38:45 2001 From: wprice at panam.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: old web sites Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20011114093845.00c324c0@pop3.panam.edu> Web4libers, When a web site has been redesigned, and has new URLs for its pages, how long should the old site (with appropriate "this page has moved" messages) be maintained? We recently replaced our old site with a new one . (Unfortunately, the old site does not yet indicate that a new site exists.) Our Systems Administrator wants to take the old files off our server. I think the old site should remain up, at least until I can make redirect messages for the pages, and have them posted for awhile. But for how long? Thanks for your help. Ward Price C. Ward Price Web Librarian University of Texas-Pan American http://www.lib.panam.edu/ wprice@panam.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Nov 14 11:14:30 2001 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] old web sites Message-ID: <0611948DE8E4D41192B30004AC4C811B41B93E@mail1.morrisville.edu> Thomas Dowling has a very good article on this topic in Library Journal net connect. It was a supplement to Library Journal. He suggests 24 months. Here is the URL: http://libraryjournal.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA1 78131 Bill Drew From reitene at okstate.edu Wed Nov 14 11:21:19 2001 From: reitene at okstate.edu (Elizabeth A Reiten) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] old web sites Message-ID: Over the last year or so, I've been doing a fairly major redesign/realignment inside our website -- not redesigning the public side, mainly the file structure. I've left a redirect page in place for all of our index.htm pages (every folder should have one) and for all pages indicated from an in-depth evaluation of our web statistics. I then created an Excel spreadsheet with the directory/filename, redirect date, and date for removal. I chose one year as a good length of time for the redirects to stay on the server, given the number of occasional users we know we have. I've then put reminders in my calendar so my Visor beeps at me to check the Excel file when something can be removed from the server. It may be a bit kludgy, but it has worked so far, and I've noticed a definite drop in the access stats for the redirects, so our users are changing their bookmarks... I hope! Beth Reiten, Librarian Digital Library Services Edmon Low Library Oklahoma State University Phone: 405-744-9109 Email: reitene@okstate.edu Ward Price Sent by: web4lib@webjunction.org 11/14/01 09:43 AM Please respond to wprice To: Multiple recipients of list cc: (bcc: Elizabeth A Reiten/lib/Okstate) Subject: [WEB4LIB] old web sites Web4libers, When a web site has been redesigned, and has new URLs for its pages, how long should the old site (with appropriate "this page has moved" messages) be maintained? We recently replaced our old site with a new one . (Unfortunately, the old site does not yet indicate that a new site exists.) Our Systems Administrator wants to take the old files off our server. I think the old site should remain up, at least until I can make redirect messages for the pages, and have them posted for awhile. But for how long? Thanks for your help. Ward Price C. Ward Price Web Librarian University of Texas-Pan American http://www.lib.panam.edu/ wprice@panam.edu From mjhandke at uta.edu Wed Nov 14 11:43:18 2001 From: mjhandke at uta.edu (Mary Jo Handke) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENTS: Univ. Texas at Arlington Message-ID: <6A467F62A0D2D51194FE0004AC4CA556AF8E21@exchange.uta.edu> The University of Texas at Arlington Libraries seeks to fill two instruction and information literacy positions. These new positions were created to build and expand the Libraries' emerging Information Literacy Program. The Instruction and Information Literacy Technologist position will develop content for online instructional tools; design, teach and assess innovative instructional classes and work with Digital Library Services to offer educational services in the use of the Libraries' new Digital Media Classroom. The Instruction and Information Literacy Specialist will develop content, teach and assess innovative workshops and classes that will support the university's initiatives for life-long learning. The Instruction and Information Literacy program area will have a total of four full-time librarians and one library assistant, all working within a creative, dynamic program area that will enable and promote effective information seeking and critical thinking skills. Working hours may include nights and weekends. Required Qualifications: ALA-accredited Masters degree by date hired; high degree of computer literacy; knowledge of relevant computer technologies; desire to teach evaluative, critical thinking, and information seeking skills; strong commitment to public service; knowledge of information literacy theories and practices; ability to develop multimedia presentations while addressing various learning styles; demonstrated leadership, organization and communication skills; openness to new service models; ability to work collaboratively in a team environment; and ability to identify priorities and learn quickly. For the Technologist position: demonstrated creativity in designing, developing and maintaining websites. For the Specialist position: demonstrated creativity in designing, developing instructional tools and classes. Preferred Qualifications: Degree in Education or Instructional Technology; experience with group and individual instruction, experience with the development of training tools and learning aids; previous academic library experience; previous experience with outreach and marketing services; experience with needs assessment, program development and grant writing; knowledge of reference and bibliographic print resources as well as a variety of online bibliographic and full-text databases. Consideration of applicants will begin December 14th, and will continue until the position is filled. A letter of application, r?sum?, and the names, addresses, and telephone numbers, of three references should be sent to Laura Blessing, University Library Human Resources and Budget Manager; UTA Libraries; Box 19497; Arlington, TX 76019-0497. The University of Texas at Arlington is an urban university located in the Dallas/Fort Worth metropolitan area. The Libraries' homepage may be browsed at http://www.uta.edu/library/. The University of Texas at Arlington is an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Nov 14 11:52:27 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: old web sites References: Message-ID: <014e01c16d2c$d78523a0$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > It may be a bit kludgy, but it has worked so far, and I've noticed a > definite drop in the access stats for the redirects, so our users are > changing their bookmarks... I hope! > Something I've emphasized in several forums is the need to follow the "Dear human: we have moved" phase with a period of time in which the old location responds with HTTP status 301 (permanent relocation) and a pointer to the new site. This allows web indexers to find the new site and update themselves automatically. In addition to crawlers, though, IE bookmarks will also update themselve automatically when they receive a 301 response. ☮ Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu Wed Nov 14 12:11:21 2001 From: TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu (Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: screen capture help Message-ID: Hello and thanks -- I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? Thanks again, Nick Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS Instruction Librarian Elihu Burritt Library Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 860-832-2068 (office) 860-832-3409 (fax) From christina at highpointcreative.com Wed Nov 14 12:24:58 2001 From: christina at highpointcreative.com (Christina Soderstrom) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114112130.02596230@mail.a-d-ventures.com> Nick and all, I've used a program called Grab-a-Site by Blue Squirrel (about $70) to capture whole web sites and then show them later. The nice thing about it is that once you have captured the site, you don't need an Internet connection to show it, just the software installed on the computer. Christina At 09:13 AM 11/14/01 -0800, Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) wrote: >Hello and thanks -- >I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is >on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed >that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. >Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? > >Thanks again, >Nick > >Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS >Instruction Librarian >Elihu Burritt Library >Central Connecticut State University >New Britain, CT 06050 > >860-832-2068 (office) >860-832-3409 (fax) Christina Soderstrom Senior Creative Associate/IT Specialist High Point Creative, LLC www.HighPointCreative.com Phone: 651-646-6353 Fax: 651-646-6351 From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Nov 14 12:27:31 2001 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help Message-ID: Hi Nicholas: To capture a select screen print for a Web page, I use the 'Ctrl', 'Alt' and 'Print Screen' combination which copies the screen. I then 'Paste' the copied screen into a blank PowerPoint slide. Works like a Charm! /Gerry McKiernan Pasted Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu c: Web4Lib >>> "Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)" 11/14/01 11:18AM >>> Hello and thanks -- I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? Thanks again, Nick Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS Instruction Librarian Elihu Burritt Library Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 860-832-2068 (office) 860-832-3409 (fax) From araby at unr.edu Wed Nov 14 12:40:51 2001 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help References: Message-ID: <004801c16d33$8116cf80$493cc586@greenea> "Snag-It" can "auto-scroll" an entire page, so it captures the parts that are below the fold on the initial screen. Free trial (shareware) download at http://www.techsmith.com/ About $39 to register. The software has lots of nice options for resolution and color management. I use Paint Shop Pro for most captures, but Snag-It is better for long web pages where you want to get the whole thing in one go. Hope this is what you meant by "entire Web pages." Araby Greene ________________________ araby@unr.edu Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 Univ. of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help > Hello and thanks -- > I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is > on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed > that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. > Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? > > Thanks again, > Nick > > Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS > Instruction Librarian > Elihu Burritt Library > Central Connecticut State University > New Britain, CT 06050 > > 860-832-2068 (office) > 860-832-3409 (fax) From jbiquez at icsmx.com Wed Nov 14 12:38:01 2001 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114112130.02596230@mail.a-d-ventures.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114113523.02cecec0@icsmx.com> Hello One software that "extracts" complete sites is: Websnake from Anaweve You just tell the site and brings you the exact structure. BUT some people use that technique to "copy" information that way... be carefull with the sites you extract with this kind of programs. Besides the warning these programs "rocks"...give it a try. jb At 09:26 14/11/01 -0800, you wrote: >Nick and all, > >I've used a program called Grab-a-Site by Blue Squirrel (about $70) to >capture whole web sites and then show them later. The nice thing about it >is that once you have captured the site, you don't need an Internet >connection to show it, just the software installed on the computer. > >Christina > >At 09:13 AM 11/14/01 -0800, Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) wrote: >>Hello and thanks -- >>I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is >>on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed >>that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. >>Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? >> >>Thanks again, >>Nick >> >>Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS >>Instruction Librarian >>Elihu Burritt Library >>Central Connecticut State University >>New Britain, CT 06050 >> >>860-832-2068 (office) >>860-832-3409 (fax) > > >Christina Soderstrom >Senior Creative Associate/IT Specialist >High Point Creative, LLC >www.HighPointCreative.com >Phone: 651-646-6353 >Fax: 651-646-6351 From Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org Wed Nov 14 12:37:05 2001 From: Walt_Crawford at notes.rlg.org (Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: Pardon my naivete, but can't you just use the browser itself to save pages (or sites) to disk, then use the browser to show them offline? What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do directly? Christina Soderstrom ative.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help web4lib@sunsite.berkele y.edu 11/14/2001 09:26 AM Please respond to christina Nick and all, I've used a program called Grab-a-Site by Blue Squirrel (about $70) to capture whole web sites and then show them later. The nice thing about it is that once you have captured the site, you don't need an Internet connection to show it, just the software installed on the computer. Christina At 09:13 AM 11/14/01 -0800, Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) wrote: >Hello and thanks -- >I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is >on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed >that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. >Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? > >Thanks again, >Nick > >Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS >Instruction Librarian >Elihu Burritt Library >Central Connecticut State University >New Britain, CT 06050 > >860-832-2068 (office) >860-832-3409 (fax) Christina Soderstrom Senior Creative Associate/IT Specialist High Point Creative, LLC www.HighPointCreative.com Phone: 651-646-6353 Fax: 651-646-6351 From nolan at adelphi.edu Wed Nov 14 12:38:34 2001 From: nolan at adelphi.edu (Kevin Nolan) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: Or on a Mac: hit apple + shift + 4. That saves the clipping to your HD. Then, drop in Photoshop to optimize etc. _____________________ Kevin Nolan Web Site Editorial Director www.adelphi.edu phone: 516.877.3471 e-mail: nolan@adelphi.edu _____________________ >>> "Gerry Mckiernan" - 11/14/01 12:35 PM >>> Hi Nicholas: To capture a select screen print for a Web page, I use the 'Ctrl', 'Alt' and 'Print Screen' combination which copies the screen. I then 'Paste' the copied screen into a blank PowerPoint slide. Works like a Charm! /Gerry McKiernan Pasted Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu c: Web4Lib >>> "Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)" 11/14/01 11:18AM >>> Hello and thanks -- I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? Thanks again, Nick Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS Instruction Librarian Elihu Burritt Library Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 860-832-2068 (office) 860-832-3409 (fax) From daviss at columbia.edu Wed Nov 14 12:47:14 2001 From: daviss at columbia.edu (Stephen Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: How long to retain old website? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114122553.0265bd50@imap.columbia.edu> Hi, Ward. We kept virtually all of our old files in place for many months after our transition to a new site last fall while we systematically put in file & directory x-refs, redirects or sometimes just simlinks. When the content & links on old pages was clearly volatile and easily outdated we did remove them sooner rather than later. If you have web hit statistics you can actually track how quickly use drops off from the old pages and maybe let that be your guide. An idea you may already have thought of: If you have files & directories in the old system that don't have a one-to-one relationship with files & directories in the new system, it's helpful to put a search box (for the new site) on any generalized cross-reference pages, so that users have a fighting chance of finding the content they want. You see this on large commercial sites sometimes (since they actually worry about losing customers ;) We tried to make the transition as smooth as possible for our users; but even so, the simple fact of so much change at once threw some of them for a loop. So the more you try to cushion the change, the better. Also, imho the more we 'evolve' sites rather than simply replacing them, the easier it will be all around. ______________________________ Stephen Paul Davis Digital Library Program Columbia University Libraries email: daviss@columbia.edu phone: (212) 854-8584 fax: (212) 854-0089 ______________________________ >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:38:45 -0600 >From: Ward Price >To: web4lib@webjunction.org >Subject: old web sites > >When a web site has been redesigned, and has new URLs for its pages, how >long should the old site (with appropriate "this page has moved" messages) >be maintained? We recently replaced our old site >with a new one . (Unfortunately, the old site >does not yet indicate that a new site exists.) Our Systems Administrator >wants to take the old files off our server. I think the old site should >remain up, at least until I can make redirect messages for the pages, and >have them posted for awhile. But for how long? From missplumeau at earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 12:56:35 2001 From: missplumeau at earthlink.net (Helene Bardinet) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use "save as" from the "file" menu. This saves the whole page (graphics and all) which I can reopen with my favorite web design tool (Dreamweaver) or with any browser . If we need additional pages we do the same -making sure that all pages end up in the same root directory. This is a cheap (free) alternative. Of course if you need to "lift" an entire enormous site, it might be worth spending some $$. I have not used any such software. H?l?ne Bardinet Webmestre missplumeau@earthlink.net www.hchlibrary.org www.scrantonlibrary.com www.helenebardinet.com -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help Hello and thanks -- I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever is on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? Thanks again, Nick Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS Instruction Librarian Elihu Burritt Library Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 860-832-2068 (office) 860-832-3409 (fax) From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Nov 14 12:53:40 2001 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: <200111141253.AA230490504@ansernet.rcls.org> I'll update new suggestions; but quite a few options (besides recent browser versions having offline cature built-in) are listed in the Library Web Managers Resource Center: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/RefCenter/lwmrcconnect.html#offline ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Araby Greene" Reply-To: araby@unr.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:39:15 -0800 (PST) >"Snag-It" can "auto-scroll" an entire page, so it captures the parts that >are below the fold on the initial screen. Free trial (shareware) download at >http://www.techsmith.com/ About $39 to register. The software has lots of >nice options for resolution and color management. I use Paint Shop Pro for >most captures, but Snag-It is better for long web pages where you want to >get the whole thing in one go. > >Hope this is what you meant by "entire Web pages." > >Araby Greene >________________________ >araby@unr.edu >Web Development Librarian >Getchell Library/322 >Univ. of Nevada, Reno >http://www.library.unr.edu/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:19 AM >Subject: [WEB4LIB] screen capture help > > >> Hello and thanks -- >> I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever >is >> on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed >> that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. >> Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? >> >> Thanks again, >> Nick >> >> Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS >> Instruction Librarian >> Elihu Burritt Library >> Central Connecticut State University >> New Britain, CT 06050 >> >> 860-832-2068 (office) >> 860-832-3409 (fax) > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 14 13:03:23 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: <310110-220011131418323500@linc.lib.il.us> You can use something like WebWhacker ( http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/whacker/whacker.html )or other 3rd-party products to capture entire sites including the whole directory structure, all images, etc.. whereas if you use something like IE's built-in "save page" feature you'd have to do one page at a time. If you capture a whole site then you can browse offline as if you were looking at the site 'live.' - Rachel >Pardon my naivete, but can't you just use the browser itself to save >pages >(or sites) to disk, then use the browser to show them offline? > >What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do >directly? --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From kgs at bluehighways.com Wed Nov 14 13:30:01 2001 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <06a101c16d3a$660503e0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> > What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do directly? The labor! ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. "Time is Money" Schneider kgs@lii.org Coordinator, Librarians' Index to the Internet Information You Can Trust! http://lii.org ---------------------------------------------- From scott at lights.com Wed Nov 14 13:44:14 2001 From: scott at lights.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org wrote: > > Pardon my naivete, but can't you just use the browser itself to save pages > (or sites) to disk, then use the browser to show them offline? > > What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do directly? They allow you to download entire web sites or just remote sub-directories, with just a couple of clicks. All files are then stored locally. They also have the ability to filter-out certain information. I have used the Windows freeware program "WebCopier" in the past, and it saved me lots of time: http://www.maximumsoft.com/ From TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu Wed Nov 14 14:09:29 2001 From: TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu (Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:19 2005 Subject: capture again Message-ID: Hello again, Thanks for all the comments. I was, however, probably unclear when I posted my question. I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some of it might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. Many people told be how to capture the desktop. Many people told me how to "save as" from the browser. But ultimately, I want to save the entire page so I can open it as an image file (.jpg, .gif) There are many screenshot programs, but that's what they do -- capture the screen. The (optimal) end result would be to be able to use powerpoint, and be able to Insert (picture or object). I really have to apologize. I bet if the answer was a snake it would have bitten me by now. Thanks again! Nick Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS Instruction Librarian Elihu Burritt Library Central Connecticut State University New Britain, CT 06050 860-832-2068 (office) 860-832-3409 (fax) From jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us Wed Nov 14 14:09:05 2001 From: jeffb at eauclaire.lib.wi.us (Jeff Burns) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: Not to plug FrontPage, but if you are using it you can download an entire website using the "Import Web Wizard". >>> "Rachel Singer Gordon" 11/14/01 12:38PM >>> You can use something like WebWhacker ( http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/whacker/whacker.html )or other 3rd-party products to capture entire sites including the whole directory structure, all images, etc.. whereas if you use something like IE's built-in "save page" feature you'd have to do one page at a time. If you capture a whole site then you can browse offline as if you were looking at the site 'live.' - Rachel >Pardon my naivete, but can't you just use the browser itself to save >pages >(or sites) to disk, then use the browser to show them offline? > >What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do >directly? --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From rich at richardwiggins.com Wed Nov 14 14:11:41 2001 From: rich at richardwiggins.com (Richard Wiggins) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: <20011114191141.7905.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> LOL, I think we're all jumping in with answers but I for one am not sure I fully understand the question. So let me jump in with more answers... :-) If, as the title of the message implies, it is a screen image that's desired, then Lview, or Paint Shop Pro, or just using the operating system capture and paste functions, all work reasonably well. Someone mentioned Snag-it, which is a nice tool that does add control. If it is the content of one page one wishes to capture, so as to be able to visit it offline in a browser and, for instance, scroll through the page, then the Save As feature in IE is fine. I find the Save As / MHT option better than having the graphic files stored in the separate folder; this assumes you've got IE on the viewing end as well. If it is an entire site one wishes to capture, someone proposed Blue Squirrel's Grab-a-Site. Unless that product has improved greatly, I suggest exploring alternatives. I spent many hours in December of last year trying to capture the entire White House site, and found that Grab a Site just didn't move fast enough. Too late to complete the task, I found that Offline Explorer Pro from Metaproducts just SCREAMS, due to very effective parallel tasking. See http://www.metaproducts.com/OEPR.html. It was dramatically faster than Grab-a-Site. (I have not compared the two since then; mileage may vary now.) To answer Walt's question, offline browsers can grab an entire site, or a portion thereof, for archiving or for replay where you lack Internet connectivity or lack sufficient bandwidth. They also try to adjust internal URL references so as to localize them. If it is the experience of browsing the site one wishes to capture -- the video version of a static screen capture -- then I suggest Camtasia, from TechSmith, the same folks who offer SnagIt (who happen to reside about 3 miles from where I happen to be typing....) Now, does one of these actually answer the original question? :-) /rich On Wed, 14 November 2001, Walt_Crawford@notes.rlg.org wrote: > > > Pardon my naivete, but can't you just use the browser itself to save pages > (or sites) to disk, then use the browser to show them offline? > > What does third-party software do that the browsers don't do directly? > > > > > > Christina Soderstrom > > ative.com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help > web4lib@sunsite.berkele > y.edu > > > 11/14/2001 09:26 AM > Please respond to > christina > > > > > > > Nick and all, > > I've used a program called Grab-a-Site by Blue Squirrel (about $70) to > capture whole web sites and then show them later. The nice thing about it > is that once you have captured the site, you don't need an Internet > connection to show it, just the software installed on the computer. > > Christina > > At 09:13 AM 11/14/01 -0800, Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) wrote: > >Hello and thanks -- > >I have been using LView Pro to do screen captures -- it captures whatever > is > >on the desktop from the Web (or whatever else). But lately I've noticed > >that people are capturing entire Web pages for their presentations, etc. > >Does anyone have any experience capturing entire pages for later use? > > > >Thanks again, > >Nick > > > >Nicholas G. Tomaiuolo, MLS > >Instruction Librarian > >Elihu Burritt Library > >Central Connecticut State University > >New Britain, CT 06050 > > > >860-832-2068 (office) > >860-832-3409 (fax) > > > Christina Soderstrom > Senior Creative Associate/IT Specialist > High Point Creative, LLC > www.HighPointCreative.com > Phone: 651-646-6353 > Fax: 651-646-6351 Richard Wiggins Writing, Speaking, and Consulting on Internet Topics rich@richardwiggins.com www.richardwiggins.com From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Wed Nov 14 14:20:26 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: UNinstalling Shockwave/Flash Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF8CD@EXCHANGE_NE> Since I have been unable to find a way to make Shockwave/Flash work for a user with only USER level rights - (the floor is still open for suggestions on that) My next project will be to UNinstall it altogether. Since it is apparently just an extension/plugin to IE it does not show up under add-remove programs Is there a simple/obvious way to remove it that I am just overlooking? Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Nov 14 14:35:35 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] capture again References: Message-ID: <00ba01c16d43$d7fd9080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Hello again, > Thanks for all the comments. I was, however, probably unclear when I posted > my question. > > I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some of it > might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. > I'm not sure this is do-able through a single capture (always happy to be proved wrong, of course) because capture utilities really do pull the image off the screen, not out of the guts of the applications. Usually, you have to do multiple captures, one screen at a time, and stitch them together in an image editing program. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From djones at scu.edu Wed Nov 14 14:41:52 2001 From: djones at scu.edu (David Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] UNinstalling Shockwave/Flash Message-ID: >>> "GRAY, PAUL" 11/14/01 11:32AM >>> Since I have been unable to find a way to make Shockwave/Flash work for a user with only USER level rights - Is there a simple/obvious way to remove it that I am just overlooking? <<< Paul, By explicitly setting permissions on the macromedia directories under the $win directory will probably fix the regular user access, but if not, there are specific ways to delete these: Flash: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/playerfaq.htm#one_six http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/playerfaq.htm#two_five Shockwave: http://www.macromedia.com/support/shockwave/ts/documents/playerfaq.htm#5_2 http://www.macromedia.com/support/shockwave/ts/documents/playerfaq.htm#2_3 HTH, David From mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca Wed Nov 14 14:45:11 2001 From: mrempel at peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca (Michelle Rempel) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: capture again In-Reply-To: <00ba01c16d43$d7fd9080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <01Nov14.124757mst.119041@trojan.peacelibrarysystem.ab.ca> I suppose it depends on how much of your page is scrolled. If it's just a bit, I usually up the resolution to make more fit on the screen and do a ALT + Print Screen to take a shot of the top window. Then I put it in Photoshop and manipulate it or just paste it directly in Powerpoint. Then change the resolution back on my computer. Hope that helps! Michelle At 12:38 PM 11/14/01, you wrote: > > Hello again, > > Thanks for all the comments. I was, however, probably unclear when I >posted > > my question. > > > > I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some >of it > > might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. > > > >I'm not sure this is do-able through a single capture (always happy to be >proved wrong, of course) because capture utilities really do pull the >image off the screen, not out of the guts of the applications. Usually, >you have to do multiple captures, one screen at a time, and stitch them >together in an image editing program. > >Thomas Dowling >OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu From rsinger at linc.lib.il.us Wed Nov 14 14:49:37 2001 From: rsinger at linc.lib.il.us (Rachel Singer Gordon) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Message-ID: <410-220011131419493793@linc.lib.il.us> Good point -- you can... but I've found it to be VERY slow to use FrontPage to do that (start it and walk away for a while :)). ---- Original Message ---- From: jeffb@eauclaire.lib.wi.us To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] Re: screen capture help Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:17:14 -0800 (PST) >Not to plug FrontPage, but if you are using it you can download an >entire website using the "Import Web Wizard". --- Rachel Singer Gordon / rsinger@linc.lib.il.us Head, Computer Services / Franklin Park Library http://www.franklinparklibrary.org http://www.lisjobs.com --- From araby at unr.edu Wed Nov 14 14:58:35 2001 From: araby at unr.edu (Araby Greene) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: capture again References: <00ba01c16d43$d7fd9080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c16d46$bee595e0$493cc586@greenea> Snag-It's auto-scroll option can capture a long, single Web page without stitching the parts together in another graphics program. - araby greene ________________________ Araby Greene araby@unr.edu Web Development Librarian Getchell Library/322 Univ. of Nevada, Reno http://www.library.unr.edu/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dowling" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: capture again > > Hello again, > > Thanks for all the comments. I was, however, probably unclear when I > posted > > my question. > > > > I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some > of it > > might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. > > > > I'm not sure this is do-able through a single capture (always happy to be > proved wrong, of course) because capture utilities really do pull the > image off the screen, not out of the guts of the applications. Usually, > you have to do multiple captures, one screen at a time, and stitch them > together in an image editing program. > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu From dildine at stlawu.edu Wed Nov 14 15:15:13 2001 From: dildine at stlawu.edu (Thomas Dildine) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: screen capture yet again References: <410-220011131419493793@linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <3BF2D0D1.62C9D13E@stlawu.edu> I just did a quick search on a web search engine using the keyward phrases "screen capture program" and "web pages" and came up with a virtual plethora of commercial, shareware and freeware programs that claim to do what you want. -- Thomas Dildine Library Systems Technician St. Lawrence University From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Nov 14 15:24:08 2001 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: capture again Message-ID: <200111141524.AA7799308@ansernet.rcls.org> It's a bit tortuous, but with Adobe Acrobat Distiller, I can print to create a custom-sized .pdf file, then save the .pdf as a .jpg. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Thomas Dowling" Reply-To: tdowling@ohiolink.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:38:15 -0800 (PST) >> Hello again, >> Thanks for all the comments. I was, however, probably unclear when I >posted >> my question. >> >> I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some >of it >> might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. >> > >I'm not sure this is do-able through a single capture (always happy to be >proved wrong, of course) because capture utilities really do pull the >image off the screen, not out of the guts of the applications. Usually, >you have to do multiple captures, one screen at a time, and stitch them >together in an image editing program. > >Thomas Dowling >OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network >tdowling@ohiolink.edu > > -- Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -- From me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au Wed Nov 14 18:55:45 2001 From: me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au (Tony Barry) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: capture again In-Reply-To: <00ba01c16d43$d7fd9080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> References: <00ba01c16d43$d7fd9080$761e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: At 11:41 AM -0800 14/11/01, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > I want to capture a web page -- the entire page, even though only some >of it >> might be viewable on the browser unless I scroll down. >> > >I'm not sure this is do-able through a single capture (always happy to be >proved wrong, of course) because capture utilities really do pull the >image off the screen, not out of the guts of the applications. Usually, >you have to do multiple captures, one screen at a time, and stitch them >together in an image editing program. On a Mac there are various ways of diverting a print stream to a file by selecting a "print driver" that does this. No doubt the same is available on other platforms. This way you "print" the page you want and it ends up as a file in some format such as postscript, PDF or TIFF. Tony -- phone +61 2 6241 7659 mailto:me@Tony-Barry.emu.id.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au/people/tony/index.html From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Nov 14 21:17:00 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: NetLibrary evaluates buyout proposal Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B5230@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> More on netLibrary. This from today's (Wednesday's) business section in the Boulder paper (The Daily Camera): http://www.thedailycamera.com/business/14anetl.html According to the article "An announcement of a possible sale could come as soon as a day or two." They wouldn't name the company who had proposed to buy netLibrary. Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From lbspodic at ust.hk Wed Nov 14 22:56:33 2001 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:56:20 2005 Subject: Favor Needed Message-ID: Thank you to those who assisted in getting our message to CDL/Melvyl. Our two technical staff divisions are now in direct communication. Interestingly, their site is also unable to reach ours, so we are e-mailing through an account at a 3rd site. Eventually the problem will be identified and corrected. Thanks again! -Edward Spodick, Systems Librarian Hong Kong University of Science & Technology lbspodic@ust.hk --- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:36:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: web4lib@webjunction.org From: "Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Favor Needed - Can someone please forward this e-mail? Thanks! Could someone whose access to Melvyl is still working please forward this message to domaintech@ucop.edu ? Our servers refuse to send email to them, since their entries in Hong Kong domain name servers disappeared about 10 days ago. Thanks for your help! -Edward Spodick, Systems Librarian Hong Kong University of Science & Technology lbspodic@ust.hk --- end forwarded text From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Wed Nov 7 16:00:26 2001 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: PC Magazine test of Linux/Win2K In-Reply-To: <3BDEF90F.DBBCEB54@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: For anyone who's interested, the Nov. 13 issue of _PC Magazine_ tested Red Hat Linux against Windows 2000. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011105/52110_1.html John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | office - 509-963-1081 || fax - 509-963-3684 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From cagimon at mplib.org Wed Nov 7 16:26:30 2001 From: cagimon at mplib.org (Gimon, Charles A) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: Links about Flash Message-ID: Can anyone help? I could use a few links that explain why usage of Macromedia's Flash is bad for usability, accessibility, content management, the web as a whole, and so on. I have a new employee who needs to be instructed in these matters. I already have Jakob Nielsen's column on the subject, as well as several well-written posts in the Web4Lib archives. Any others that people can recommend? --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Wed Nov 7 16:33:44 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links about Flash - tangent Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF89E@EXCHANGE_NE> Would also like any information has on how to get Shockwave/Flash to run on W2k when logged in as a USER (as opposed to Power User or Admin). It appears to insist on editing the registry every time it is run -- which -- for reasons that should be obvious - we do not give anonymous unmonitored users rights to do. Someone sent me some registry hints recently but they appear to be NT specific -- could not find the keys he mentioned in 2k. BTW -- did I mention I agree TOTALLY with the implied comment that Flash content is more often than not a WASTE of bandwidth. Thanks Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX -----Original Message----- From: Gimon, Charles A [mailto:cagimon@mplib.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links about Flash Can anyone help? I could use a few links that explain why usage of Macromedia's Flash is bad for usability, accessibility, content management, the web as a whole, and so on. I have a new employee who needs to be instructed in these matters. I already have Jakob Nielsen's column on the subject, as well as several well-written posts in the Web4Lib archives. Any others that people can recommend? --Charles Gimon Web Coordinator Minneapolis Public Library From grahamjo at oplin.lib.oh.us Wed Nov 7 17:12:43 2001 From: grahamjo at oplin.lib.oh.us (Joan K. Graham) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: Slideshow dissolve effect not working in IE, N is Ok-why? Message-ID: <3BE9B1DB.D9363FB5@oplin.lib.oh.us> Please reply as soon as possible; I throw myself on your mercies. I have a deadline of this Friday to do a Virtual Tour of our library's renovation. At http://www.stark.lib.oh.us/slideshow.html, you can see what I've done. Using the article in PCWorld, October 2001, p. 135, I adapted the script for the slideshow used on http://www.furrycompanions.com. I used 32 digital photos and I have checked and rechecked to make sure their final dimensions are exactly the same. I loaded all the required files to our server to make the script run. All the images mentioned in the script are loaded to the server. In Netscape, the images load and the dissolve effect looks perfect. In Internet Explorer, the page loads and there is temporarily a blank space where the images will appear. Then the first few images appear and cycle, and finally, a small square with the dissolve stripe images comes up at the top left of the other images. I have tried taking out various images in my array. No luck. I tried going to furrycompanions.com, copying the code directly from the page, and substituting only three of my own images, but that doesn't fix the problem. I don't know what the problem is. I know that clicking on Refresh doesn't help. I know that hitting the browser's Back button, then the Forward button, to reload the page, causes the page to load and run perfectly in IE. Can you please look at my code and reply telling me what on my page ANYWHERE causes the problem, why it doesn't occur in Netscape, and most important, how to fix it before Friday? TIA Joan Graham, webmaster Stark County District Library I used this code below: Slide Show

Welcome to

Stark County District Library is celebrating the renovation of the Main Library building.
Please enjoy a virtual tour of the new facility by viewing the slide show at left. Click on a photo to go to the page about this service. Some highlights are:

Technology Center with 25 computers
First floor meeting room
New entrance across the street from the main parking lot
Friends of the Library store on first floor
Second floor genealogy, periodicals and reference area
Storyhour area for children

Return to Virtual Tour starting page.
Return to home page.
From aduncan at timberland.lib.wa.us Wed Nov 7 17:14:20 2001 From: aduncan at timberland.lib.wa.us (Alex Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: Position Opening - Librarian 1 (Reference) - Shelton, Washington Message-ID: <3BE9B23C.5E89CC35@timberland.lib.wa.us> Librarian I - Reference Timberland Regional Library Application Deadline: 12/31/01 (application review begins 11/30/01) Wm. G. Reed Library, located in Shelton, WA and part of the Timberland Regional Library system, is accepting applications for the position of Librarian I. This full-time position provides professional library work with an emphasis on reference. Ability to provide a wide variety of reader's advisory, training, and programming services to library patrons (youth and adults); use print and electronic tools, including Internet searches; work collaboratively with colleagues; and demonstrate strong commitment to customer-centered service. Must possess excellent communication skills and flexibility. MLS and WA State certification required. POSITION: Librarian I - Shelton, WA. - Grade 41 - 40 hrs/wk - 1.0 FTE. Some evening and weekend hours required. Schedule subject to change depending on library needs. General Statement of Duties: Provides a wide variety of research, reference, reader's advisory, and programming services to library patrons; does related work as required. Distinguishing Features of the Class: This is responsible front line library public service work involving the performance of reference and reader's advisory services, and programming duties for library patrons. The employee may be assigned any of the following responsibilities: collection development, training of other staff, training of scheduled groups of patrons, programming for patrons, compiling bibliographies and/or pathfinders for the library and/or local media, or community outreach. The work is usually performed under the general supervision of a department or building manager but considerable leeway is granted for the exercise of independent initiative and judgment. An employee in this class does not normally exercise supervision over the work of other employees but may supervise the activities of library volunteers. In the absence of the supervisor, an employee in this class may be assigned temporary supervision of Public Services activities. In the absence of a building head, an employee in this class may be assigned temporary supervision of library operations and the building. Required Knowledge, Skills and Abilities: Thorough knowledge of library policies, processes and procedures; commitment to customer-centered public service; thorough knowledge of reference and readers advisory sources, literature for children, teens and/or adults and materials in both print and electronic formats; may require specialized knowledge of, and experience with, youth; thorough knowledge of the Dewey Decimal System of classification; thorough knowledge of electronic resources, Internet searching strategies, and search engines; good knowledge of computer software for library applications; thorough knowledge of systems such as Dynix WebPac, Internet, and CD-ROM educational software; good knowledge of business arithmetic and statistical preparation and presentation methods and procedures; good knowledge of office terminology, procedures and equipment; good knowledge of library circulation and interlibrary loan processes and procedures; some knowledge of emerging library technology; skill in the use of computers and electronic resources; ability to identify patron information needs and apply appropriate resources through a customer-centered reference interview; ability to provide positive and high quality, customer-centered public service to library customers and library colleagues; ability to develop, plan, organize, implement and evaluate effective and age appropriate library programs; ability to concurrently perform a variety of customer-centered reference and/or readers advisory and other patron service tasks under the pressure of short-term deadlines; ability to understand and follow detailed and complex oral and written instructions; ability to provide oral and written instructions in a clear and concise manner for library patrons and co-workers; ability to communicate effectively, and to develop and maintain effective working relationships with other members of the library staff, other libraries and the general public; ability to demonstrate creative and constructive problem solving skills; ability to handle and move library materials in the library; ability to process books and library materials; ability to attend selected training and meetings at other library locations; ability to travel to another Timberland Library location for work; ability to travel to schools and/or other community locations to facilitate and conduct library programs or outreach activities; skill in conducting customer-centered public service with tact, patience and courtesy. Acceptable Experience and Training: Possession of a Master of Library Science degree issued by a library school accredited by the American Library Association and State of Washington Librarian Certificate; preferably some library or work-related experience demonstrating positive public service experience with children, teens, or adults. BENEFITS: Employer paid dental, vision, life and long term disability insurance for employee only. Employer will pay full premium for employee's choice of medical plan; dependent coverage available at employee's expense. (Medical subject to possible change in 2002) Employee Assistance Program Washington State Public Employees Retirement System Deferred Compensation (optional) Paid Sick and Vacation 13 Holidays SALARY RANGE: $2,665.40 - $3,582.07 per month HIRING SALARY: $2,665.40 per month APPLICATION CLOSING: December 31, 2001 (Application review begins November 30, 2001) POSITION AVAILABLE: January 1, 2002 POSITION CODE: SH411050-02 (Include on your application and envelope) TO APPLY: Obtain "Application for Employment" materials at the Administrative Service Center, 415 Airdustrial Way SW, Olympia, WA, 98501, at your local Timberland Regional Library, or call our message line at (360) 704-4564. Refer to Position Code when calling. Submit materials to the Administrative Service Center. Include cover letter and resume when submitting application. Resume not accepted in lieu of employment application. For more information visit us on the web at http://www.timberland.lib.wa.us EOE From abarclay at library.wisc.edu Wed Nov 7 17:54:18 2001 From: abarclay at library.wisc.edu (Allan Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Links about Flash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107163821.02ac0fd8@mail.library.wisc.edu> >Can anyone help? I could use a few links that explain why usage of >Macromedia's Flash is bad for usability, accessibility, content management, >the web as a whole, and so on. I have a new employee who needs to be >instructed in these matters. I already have Jakob Nielsen's column on the >subject, as well as several well-written posts in the Web4Lib archives. > >Any others that people can recommend? Charles - Here's a pretty good page that tells both what you can do to help make Flash more accessible as well as why there's not really any way (currently) to make the Flash content itself accessible. In short I think the best you can do for now is have an alternative equivalent and make sure that you put that information "under" the Flash so people can find it (kinda like for people who can't handle framed content) or generate the Flash content from a database that can also present it in non-Flash format. Lots of links to Macromedia and other sites: http://www.webaim.org/Articles/accessibleflash If you really want to scare them send them to the tutorials for Section 508 or the W3C's Accessibility Curriculum - they're not Flash specific but the ideas for other multimedia content apply to Flash: http://www.jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm (section 508) http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/overgid.htm (W3C) For the tongue in cheek approach, at least for splash screens, check this out: http://www.skipintro.nl/skipintro/index.html Take care, Allan Allan R Barclay Information Architect, Health Sciences Libraries University of Wisconsin-Madison Phone: (608) 262-3957 Fax: (608) 262-4732 Email: abarclay@library.wisc.edu ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From bdeg at bartlesville.lib.ok.us Wed Nov 7 18:44:25 2001 From: bdeg at bartlesville.lib.ok.us (Beth DeGeer) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: Virus on Library cdrom? Message-ID: <NDBBIHDFILEIFLOFMKCHGELDDPAA.bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us> Hi all: A patron came to me today and claimed that the library's copy of JumpStart Kindergarten, which she had checked out and installed on her computer, had given her a worm, and it had corrupted most of her hard drive. She got this information from the pc repairman who fixed her PC. Is this possible? I did not think one could re-burn a CD. The CDROM she borrowed is the actual one we purchased commercially, and it's printed with the logo, etc., so I don't think anyone has substituted another CDROM. Any opinions? Beth DeGeer Youth Services Librarian/PC Administrator Bartlesville Public Library, Bartlesville OK bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From pdeane at rla.lib.il.us Wed Nov 7 19:09:13 2001 From: pdeane at rla.lib.il.us (Paul Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? In-Reply-To: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161BC943@PDCRLPL> Message-ID: <11A05628B5E4D311A1F300508BC216161425BE@PDCRLPL> A few years back in Chicago, a major retailer had a large shipment of "new" floppy disks that came with a virus on them. Almost anything could happen in the manufacturing process. However, if other used it and did not have the problem, I think the repairman is blowing smoke. Paul Deane Director Round Lake Area Library pdeane@rla.lib.il.us <mailto:pdeane@rla.lib.il.us> -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Beth DeGeer Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Virus on Library cdrom? Hi all: A patron came to me today and claimed that the library's copy of JumpStart Kindergarten, which she had checked out and installed on her computer, had given her a worm, and it had corrupted most of her hard drive. She got this information from the pc repairman who fixed her PC. Is this possible? I did not think one could re-burn a CD. The CDROM she borrowed is the actual one we purchased commercially, and it's printed with the logo, etc., so I don't think anyone has substituted another CDROM. Any opinions? Beth DeGeer Youth Services Librarian/PC Administrator Bartlesville Public Library, Bartlesville OK bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us http://www.bartlesville.lib.ok.us ********************************************************************* Due to deletion of content types excluded from this list by policy, this multipart message was reduced to a single part, and from there to a plain text message. ********************************************************************* From plim at ccsf.org Wed Nov 7 19:27:17 2001 From: plim at ccsf.org (plim) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:34 2005 Subject: Exporting selected fields from Webdata Message-ID: <3be9d165.732d.16838@ccsf.org> Hi all, I wish to know if there is any Webdata (classic) user on this listserv, and if anyone knows how to export only selected fields from the database rather than exporting all the fields. From bernies at uillinois.edu Mon Nov 12 11:13:08 2001 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:41 2005 Subject: Is Internet access emptying college and university libraries? Message-ID: <8DD31AE07607D511B1E70002B31FCB049B51C4@eagle.pb.uiuc.edu> An interesting piece in the free section of the Chronicle of higher education: http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i12/12a03501.htm Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning and Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 265-0454 E-mail: bernies@uillinois.edu From susansloan1 at visto.com Mon Nov 12 11:50:03 2001 From: susansloan1 at visto.com (Susan Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:41 2005 Subject: Fwd: W2k user setup question Message-ID: <3BE1CB8E000775B3@iso2.vistocorporation.com> (added by administrator@vistocorporation.com) The following was also posted to Dynix_L. Please excuse duplication. I am a novice W2k user trying to come up with a configuration for new public access PCs. The basic configuration components are PAC4Win 1.4.2, IE 5.5 sp2, Public Web Browser 1.27, Norton Anti-Virus Corporate Edition 7.5, and Fortres. I may add Clean Slate to the picture. In a nutshell, I created a user named PAC in W2k, added it to the Administrators Group, configured the above components, then moved the PAC user to the Guests Group. It needs some tweaking, of couse, but one thing puzzles me, which hopefully is just a "duh" thing. Since PAC4Win does not work as stated in its "secure" mode, I added PAC4Win to startup so that the PC boots into it. What I don't understand is that when I close PAC4Win, then try to open it back up from the desktop icon, it won't open. This is NOT a Fortres problem because is happens whether or not Fortres is enabled. Is the Guests Group restricting it? Also, "small" changes I make, such as deleting icons from the systray, don't always stick, and a "Getting Started With Windows 2000" welcome screen doesn't seem to want to go away. Any advice? Thanks, Susan Sloan Boca Raton Public Library Boca Raton, Florida 561-393-7904 ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. From lbspodic at ust.hk Tue Nov 13 02:32:59 2001 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:41 2005 Subject: Favor Needed - Can someone please forward this e-mail? Thanks! Message-ID: <v04210100b8167955d882@[143.89.104.168]> Could someone whose access to Melvyl is still working please forward this message to domaintech@ucop.edu ? Our servers refuse to send email to them, since their entries in Hong Kong domain name servers disappeared about 10 days ago. Thanks for your help! -Edward Spodick, Systems Librarian Hong Kong University of Science & Technology lbspodic@ust.hk Dear domaintech@ucop.edu, Your address is listed in the whois.arin.net database as the contact for the 128.48.0.0 - 128.48.255.255 Class B address space. About 10 days ago, I noticed that some domain name entries for this range were no longer present in our domain name servers. I have since found that the problem is much more widespread. Specifically, I have been trying to reach the following locations: http://www.melvyl.ucop.edu/ University of California Library Catalog http://www.cdlib.org/ California Digital Library http://www.dbs.cdlib.org/ California Digital Library Databases telnet://melvyl.ucop.org University of Calif. Library Catalog via Telnet To date, I have found that the following institutions appear to have this same problem: Hong Kong University of Science & Technology University of Hong Kong Hong Kong Institute of Education Hong Kong Baptist University Carnegie-Mellon University Princeton University University of California at Berkeley PCCW-HKT (Pacific Century Cyberworks / Hong Kong Telecom - ISP) I would be most grateful if you could let me know when this problem is corrected, so that I can inform the Professors who are currently complaining to me. Thanks. -Edward Spodick, Systems Librarian Hong Kong University of Science & Technology lbspodic@ust.hk From: "Raymond Chau" <ccrayc@ust.hk> To: "Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743" <lbspodic@ust.hk>, <hklibsys@scip.ust.hk> Cc: "Teddy Poon, ITSC, x6216" <ccteddy@ust.hk>, "CCSING@ust. hk" <CCSING@ust.hk> Subject: RE: Melvyl/CDL Access Update Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:54:37 +0800 Dear Ed, I think there're major problem on Univ. Calif. side based on the following: The three sites you mentioned fall into a class B ip address range administered by 'University of California, Office of the President' (128.48.0.0) -traceroute from the following sites to www.cdlib.org , www.ucop.edu, failed: -PCCW-HKT -Carnegie Mellon Univ. -Princeton -UC Berkeley All traces failed at the same node wangty.ucop.edu (128.48.204.2). I don't think we can help further. I think they could not receive email from us as our email server could not reach their email server which is on the same 128.48 network. Perhaps fax them or call them would be a better way to reach them, then we could ask them to contact their sysadmin to check their network. Best regards Raymond > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743 [mailto:lbspodic@ust.hk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:57 AM > To: hklibsys@scip.ust.hk > Cc: Teddy Poon, ITSC, x6216; ccrayc@ust.hk; cdl@www.cdlib.org > Subject: Melvyl/CDL Access Update > > > > Dear Systems Colleagues, > > Well, the problem of access to Melvyl and the California Digital > Library has > *not* been resolved. > > I initially reported problems with the following accesses: > Sites 'gone missing' include: > http://www.melvyl.ucop.edu/ > http://www.cdlib.org/ > melvyl.ucop.org (telnet) > Also reported failing is: http://www.dbs.cdlib.org/ > > Others have confirmed that some have the problem, and some do > not. I have not yet heard from anyone outside Hong Kong who is > experiencing this problem, but inside Hong Kong the pattern > continues to be: > > HKUST : unable to access > HKU : unable to access > HKIED : unable to access telnet, web sites work fine > HKBU : unable to access > HKPU : access works fine > CUHK : access works fine > > The problem has existed for about 10 days that I am aware of. > > Actions taken here: > 1 - Notified our computer center, who are investigating. > > 2 - Changed the telnet link in our Innopac telnet gateway menus to be > hardcoded to the IP address for melvyl.ucop.org (128.48.141.7) > Note that this IP address is the same one they have been > using for years. > > 3 - Verified that web access works fine through http://www.anonymizer.com/ > > 4 - Verified that all of the above domain names resolve with no apparent > problem in several online web-based Domain Name and Whois servers. > > 5 - Wrote an e-mail to the WEB4LIB mailing list asking if anyone else > was having this problem. No one else has reported that they do. > > Actions Recommended > 1 - Perhaps some of us can test access from various HK ISPs, to see if > the problem is unique to the UGC/HARNET network? > > 2 - ?? I am out of ideas... > > -Edward > - - - - - > Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk > Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library > tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 > - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 From cbsmall at RADFORD.EDU Tue Nov 20 09:44:58 2001 From: cbsmall at RADFORD.EDU (Small Candice B.) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: RealPlayer on public access machines Message-ID: <0E122BB1B192EA4EA97A3645112DED5536BDB1@exchange.RADFORD.EDU> I'm interested in learning about libraries' experiences with RealPlayer installed on public access machines. A search of the archive revealed a discussion in the spring about possible security holes left by RealPlayer, and of course there is the annoyance of having Real place its icons and files all over your machine. I am specifically interested in bandwidth problems. I've heard more than one librarian say s/he will not put RealPlayer on the network because it will slow down the entire building's Internet use. And then I've heard librarians say that they have RealPlayer on numerous machines and never noticed a problem. I'd be very interested in hearing from people who have installed RealPlayer on patrons' stations. Feel free to mail me off-list. -Candice Candice Benjes-Small Reference/Instruction Librarian McConnell Library, Radford University, VA 540-831-6801 cbsmall@radford.edu From PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET Tue Nov 20 10:18:40 2001 From: PAUL.GRAY at TCCD.NET (GRAY, PAUL) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RealPlayer on public access machines Message-ID: <2751DDC83AB5D211A0930090272ABEED012FF8F5@EXCHANGE_NE> I'm not in the loop enough with our engineers and those who monitor LAN performamce enough to know for sure -- but I have always FELT that use of streaming audio and video -- which by definition is CONSTANTLY taking up bandwidth was a potential source of congestion. MY biggest problem with it - is in local machine performance. We use IE as our shell with runapp.exe to automatically reload it if it is closed. The problem is -- many times -- although the browser WINDOW is closed -- elements continue to run in the background 'fooling' runapp into thinking IE is still running. So patrons are left with a blank screen until the station is restarted. It has been hard to isolate the exact culprit here -- but -- every time I have looked at TaskManager -- among the running processes I have always found components of realplayer. Coincidence? You more technical types tell me. For the foreseeable future btw - we WILL be continuing to provide this at our librarian's request. Paul H. Gray Library Manager, CLC and LRC LAN TCC Northeast Campus Library Hurst, TX -----Original Message----- From: Small Candice B. [mailto:cbsmall@RADFORD.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RealPlayer on public access machines I'm interested in learning about libraries' experiences with RealPlayer installed on public access machines. A search of the archive revealed a discussion in the spring about possible security holes left by RealPlayer, and of course there is the annoyance of having Real place its icons and files all over your machine. I am specifically interested in bandwidth problems. I've heard more than one librarian say s/he will not put RealPlayer on the network because it will slow down the entire building's Internet use. And then I've heard librarians say that they have RealPlayer on numerous machines and never noticed a problem. I'd be very interested in hearing from people who have installed RealPlayer on patrons' stations. Feel free to mail me off-list. -Candice Candice Benjes-Small Reference/Instruction Librarian McConnell Library, Radford University, VA 540-831-6801 cbsmall@radford.edu From GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV Tue Nov 20 10:37:19 2001 From: GEM at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Masters, Gary E) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News Message-ID: <11BA3E0DB183A34E8F8BFB1D523E1AC309A471@DRM556.cdrh.fda.gov> That was my thought, but what do I know? Not much in this case. Gary Gary E. Masters Librarian (Systems) CDRH - FDA (301) 827-6893 -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Messer [SMTP:dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Disturbing News Many apologies. But I thought that the discussion of the destruction of CD-ROMs which may be made available over HTTP intranet systems and the supression of catalogs available in a similar way fell under the topic of discussion. Roy Tennant wrote: > Hello? Is this microphone on? The topic of this discussion is web > systems in libraries. I would like to remind everyone to remain on > topic -- even remotely so. Thanks, > Roy -- Mondai wa The subject in question... ------- Daniel Messer, Technology Instructor Yakima Valley Regional Library 102 N 3rd St Yakima, WA 98901 (509) 452-8541 x712 dmesser@yvrls.lib.wa.us ------- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Hunter S. Thompson From danny at calafia.com Tue Nov 20 12:09:01 2001 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? Message-ID: <NFBBKGHOIEGCEHICGEODAEKEFHAA.danny@calafia.com> > In looking at my raw log file, I discovered that I was indeed being > crawled by something that calls itself "WiseCrawler". Since it > completely blew past my block, and was crawling my site at 2-4 > requests a second, it doesn't seem very wise to me. At the very > least, it is not abiding by common rules of decency for web crawlers. > > I searched Google for any information on it, and came up blank. Does > anyone know anything about it, and is it hitting you hard, and in > places where it shouldn't? Thanks I thought it might be from WiseNut.com, but they apparently call their crawler Zyborg. However, the name may have been changed. You can check with them here: http://www.wisenut.com/corp/contact.html cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, SearchEngineWatch.com http://searchenginewatch.com From gprice at gwu.edu Tue Nov 20 11:48:42 2001 From: gprice at gwu.edu (gary price) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: Poor Sales Continue at Questia, More Layoffs Announced Message-ID: <00a301c171e3$3a3744a0$35a1aec7@fyh7j01> I just posted this news updated to my weblog. Here's the story: Online Services--Questia Electronic Libraries Source: Houston Chronicle Poor Sales Continue At, Workforce Cut By Another 50% Last week we had news of the possible takeover of netLibrary by OCLC. Today, word of continuing problems at Questia. From the article, "Questia Media cut its workforce in half last week, reducing the number of employees to just 68 because of lower than expected demand for its online library and research service. "This is the second round of layoffs at the Houston firm, which laid off 140 out of 280 employees in May. The firm is cutting back because relatively few high school and college students have been willing to make monthly payments for the service, said spokeswoman Ann Brimberry, adding that the weak economy played a part. "We're seeing good week-over-week growth but not at an aggressive rate as we anticipated," she said. Full-Text of article at: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1138626 Weblog Details-- Looking for More News, New Sites, Search Tips? Visit The Virtual Acquisition Shelf and News Desk http://resourceshelf.blogspot.com cheers, gary From chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org Tue Nov 20 12:13:39 2001 From: chrism at thecommunitylibrary.org (Chris Murphy) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RealPlayer on public access machines References: <0E122BB1B192EA4EA97A3645112DED5536BDB1@exchange.RADFORD.EDU> Message-ID: <3BFA8F43.864EF95@thecommunitylibrary.org> "Small Candice B." wrote: > I'm interested in learning about libraries' experiences with RealPlayer > installed on public access machines. A search of the archive revealed a > discussion in the spring about possible security holes left by > RealPlayer, and of course there is the annoyance of having Real place > its icons and files all over your machine. I am specifically interested > in bandwidth problems. I've heard more than one librarian say s/he will > not put RealPlayer on the network because it will slow down the entire > building's Internet use. And then I've heard librarians say that they > have RealPlayer on numerous machines and never noticed a problem. I'd > be very interested in hearing from people who have installed RealPlayer > on patrons' stations. We install RealPlayer on all our public Internet workstations, and it gets used quite a bit. Our patron base includes many seasonal and temporary workers, especially from other countries, and they use RealPlayer to listen to music and view news broadcasts unavailable locally. We have had no bandwidth or security problems to date (we use security software to control the Windows desktop and Windows Explorer). We deal with RealPlayer's bad habits of placing icons, bookmarks, and "upgraded" files on the PCs by also installing utilities to disable permanent saves to the hard disk (we use DeepFreeze or HDD Sheriff). A simple reboot removes all icons, files, etc. Chris Murphy -- Christopher Murphy Information Systems Manager The Community Library, Ketchum, Idaho chrism@thecommunitylibrary.org (208) 726-3493 x111 http://www.thecommunitylibrary.org From roy.tennant at ucop.edu Tue Nov 20 13:13:59 2001 From: roy.tennant at ucop.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? In-Reply-To: <NFBBKGHOIEGCEHICGEODAEKEFHAA.danny@calafia.com> References: <NFBBKGHOIEGCEHICGEODAEKEFHAA.danny@calafia.com> Message-ID: <f04320414b8204cfaf748@[128.48.200.5]> Several Web4Lib readers thoughtfully suggested that the "WiseCrawler" robot may be that of "WiseNut" (http://www.wisenut.com/). But their robot uses the agent-name of "Zyborg". Therefore, I am still seeking the source of the robot "WiseCrawler", which has been hitting us from the IP address of 211.119.133.186. If anyone has any leads, please email me directly. Once I solve this mystery, I will post a summary to the list. Thanks, Roy From Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV Tue Nov 20 13:18:04 2001 From: Andrea.Cheney at USPTO.GOV (Andrea.Cheney@USPTO.GOV) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Poor Sales Continue at Questia, More Layoffs Announ ced Message-ID: <8D41CD9393D61B4193D5892E1C455B6C29F7B1@uspto-is-109.uspto.gov> > "This is the second round of layoffs at the Houston firm, which laid off 140 out of 280 employees in May. The firm is cutting back because relatively few high school and college students have been willing to make monthly payments for the service, &&&Unless something has changed, why would high school and college students want to make monthly payments to this type of service, when they can buy CD's, concert tix, get their tongues pierced and other "cool" stuff? >said spokeswoman Ann Brimberry, adding that the weak economy played a part. &&& Yeah, students have less $$$$ for CD's, piercings, concert tix and other "cool" stuff. Snideness aside, sounds to me that if this demographic was their main target, poor economy or no, it was a doomed enterprise to start. I won't even mention that high school and college students have access to professional librarians at their institutions as well as public librarians to help meet their research needs. Thanks Gary. Andrea Cheney Electronic Resources Librarian United States Patent and Trademark Office Scientific and Technical Information Center Information Access and Management Branch 2021 S. Clark Place Crystal Plaza 3, Suite 2C06 Arlington, VA 22202 703-308-6099\fax: 3485 andrea.cheney@uspto.gov From tabrooks at u.washington.edu Tue Nov 20 14:24:37 2001 From: tabrooks at u.washington.edu (Terry Brooks) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: Call for papers - "The Semantic Web" Message-ID: <AACA31416CB5764DA77546B31532C5A70AE061@fileserv.ischool.washington.edu> Please distribute widely. Thank you. Call for papers - "The Semantic Web" - a special issue of Information Research: an international electronic journal (http://informationr.net/ir/) Increasing the intelligibility of the Web is a compelling vision. Imagine how the utility of local data could be enhanced if they were Meaningfully linked to data posted by strangers far away. The Web could evolve into a comprehensive meaning system, a universal encyclopedia or "world brain," as prophesized by H.G. Wells. The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is actively promoting the Semantic Web as an extension of the current Web, but one in which information will Be given well-defined meaning thus facilitating the cooperation between computers and people. The crucial first step is to increase the functionality of Web machines to "understand" the data that they merely display at present. This call is for papers that discuss the challenges of transforming the current Web into a meaning space. The scope of discussion extends from technical challenges, such as affixing meaning to an XML (Extensible Markup Language) source, to linguistic and cultural barriers, such as the development of semantic tags that will be widely accepted and validly used. Questions and proposals for papers should be sent to the editor of the special issue: Dr. Terrence A. Brooks The Information School University of Washington Box 352840 Seattle, WA 98195-2840 voice: 206 543-2646 fax: 206 616-3152 e-mail: tabrooks@u.washington.edu web: http://faculty.washington.edu/tabrooks/ Completed papers should be received by 31st May 2002, but questions about the suitability of proposed papers may be sent to the Issue Editor at any time. The style guide for Information Research is found at http://informationr.net/ir/author1.html A link to a template file can be found on that page. From maxfiesl at jmu.edu Tue Nov 20 16:27:01 2001 From: maxfiesl at jmu.edu (Sandra Maxfield) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: Position: Electronic services - Virginia Message-ID: <1251273883.1006273621@d6138-ref.lib.jmu.edu> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT Electronic Services Librarian, James Madison University. Opportunity for enthusiastic, knowledgeable reference librarian to provide leadership in planning, implementing, and evaluating electronic reference services. Coordinates the evaluation and selection of electronic reference sources. Oversees the electronic reference area and coordinates training on electronic resources. Collaborates on providing integrated and intuitive access to information through the library web. Participates in reference desk service and in the activities of the reference department. Serves as liaison librarian to selected academic departments. Reports to Director of Public Services. 12-month faculty appointment. Salary and rank commensurate with qualifications and experience, minimum $37,000. See http://www.lib.jmu.edu/employment/electronic.html for more information. Send letter, resume, and contact information (including email) for three references to: Alma Hale-Cooper, Carrier Library, MSC 1703, James Madison University, Harrisonburg, VA 22807. Review of applications will begin December 10, 2001 and continue until the position is filled. AA/EOE. -------------------------------------------------- Sandy Maxfield, Director of Public Services Carrier Library, MSC 1704 James Madison University, Harrisonburg, VA 22807 maxfiesl@jmu.edu (540) 568-6923 From mcculley at best.com Wed Nov 21 00:22:11 2001 From: mcculley at best.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:57:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? In-Reply-To: <f04320414b8204cfaf748@[128.48.200.5]> Message-ID: <001a01c1724c$7959e520$32f5bfa8@best.com> Roy, Through some traceroutes, such as those at Exodus via traceroute.org, I tracked through several NICs, including Asia and then to Korea. At Korea, I found your IP registered as noted below, with some contacts. Perhaps they can assist and stop the hammering. The site itself as listed in the data is http://www.kidc.net/index.jsp, which is the Korean Internet Data Center? To do the IP lookup, use http://whois.nic.or.kr/english/index.html The translation on my browser isn't perfect in the character set, so the below maybe partial. Hope this helps! Regards, Michael P. Michael McCulley Email: mcculley@best.com NIC record from Korea NIC: IP Address : 211.119.130.0-211.119.133.255 Network Name : DACOM-KIDC Connect ISP Name : BORANET Connect Date : 20000502 Registration Date : 20000601 [ Organization Information ] Orgnization ID : ORG105718 Org Name : DACOM State : SEOUL Address : 261-1 Nonhyun-dong Kangnam-gu Zip Code : 135-010 [ Admin Contact Information] Name : Sanggyu chang Org Name : DACOM State : SEOUL Address : 261-1 Nonhyun-dong Kangnam-gu Zip Code : 135-010 Phone : +82-2-6440-2920 Fax : +82-2-6440-2909 E-Mail : support@kidc.net [ Technical Contact Information ] Name : Taeung kim Org Name : DACOM State : SEOUL Address : 261-1 Nonhyun-dong Kangnam-gu Zip Code : 135-010 Phone : +82-2-6220-2920 Fax : +82-2-6220-2909 E-Mail : support@kidc.net >-----Original Message----- >From: web4lib@webjunction.org >[mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Roy Tennant >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:36 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: WiseCrawler? Or dumb as a stone? > > >Several Web4Lib readers thoughtfully suggested that the "WiseCrawler" >robot may be that of "WiseNut" (http://www.wisenut.com/). But their >robot uses the agent-name of "Zyborg". Therefore, I am still seeking >the source of the robot "WiseCrawler", which has been hitting us from >the IP address of 211.119.133.186. If anyone has any leads, please >email me directly. Once I solve this mystery, I will post a summary >to the list. Thanks, >Roy > From sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us Sat Nov 3 14:40:25 2001 From: sgarwood at camden.lib.nj.us (Garwood, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:33 2005 Subject: Awareness of Virtual Services Message-ID: <EB1D2C2BABCAD311B7190090277C0D4E48955E@app_server.camden.lib.nj.us> Hello All, I've been tasked with finding out/measuring our customers "Awareness of our Virtual Services" aka Do library customers know that they can renew/request a book via our online catalog, do they know they can use EbscoHost to search thousands of magazine/journal titles... I'm assuming I'm going to be doing some type of survey in the very near future, but before I start putting it together I was wondering if anyone knows of or has done a survey like this in the past. I'd be grateful for any tips/insights/help that anyone can offer. Thanks in advance, Steve ------------------------------------- Steve Garwood Customer Education Librarian Camden County Library System 203 Laurel Rd., Voorhees, NJ 08043 (856)772-1636 x3320 Fax:(856)772-6128 sgarwood@camden.lib.nj.us http://www.camden.lib.nj.us http://www.stevegarwood.com "I did nothing all day and it was everything I thought it would be" -- Office Space (Movie) From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sat Nov 3 14:50:01 2001 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:16:33 2005 Subject: Cookie-pusher for DOI resolution Message-ID: <004101c164a1$09b8c1e0$021c1ec6@ohiolink.edu> I have received a couple of messages about my comments on the cookie-pusher solution to appropriate copy resolution of DOIs. Here's a fuller articulation of my points. I believe that the cookie pusher will prove inadequate for many users. However, the consensus of a group of organizations who worked on this problem over the last year was that no better solution will be available in the foreseeable future. The cookie pusher is a CGI script that lives at www.doi.org. Its function is to set a cookie within the doi.org domain and issue an HTTP Location header sending the browser to a URL specified in its query string. HTTP requests received by the global DOI resolver at dx.doi.org will note the presence of this cookie; if it's present, the resolver will redirect users to a local DOI resolver determined from the value of the cookie. The expected implementation is that a page on, say, www.ohiolink.edu, would include an <img> element whose src attribute was actually the cookie pusher script called, so as to redirect the browser to an image back on www.ohiolink.edu. The expected benefit of doing this is that a database vendor can create DOI-based outbound links to citations without having to worry about where any user's resolver might live. Those links all go to dx.doi.org, which determines whether to give users the global resolution service to or redirect them to a local service. My issues with this are: Any user whose path to the database avoids the page(s) with the cookie pusher image will not get the cookie set under any circumstances. This includes anyone following a bookmark to the database. They will therefore get the global resolution service rather than your carefully tailored local service. Sites have to choose carefully on how many pages to put the cookie pusher image. Too few, and you increase the number of users who won't get the cookie set. Too many, and the effect of continually re-running the script might be a perception that your site is slow. This "page from one site, image and cookie from another" trick (third-party cookies) has been widely used by commercial traffic monitoring companies. Because of the privacy issues involved with this, most cookie management software--including what's built into Netscape 6.1 and IE6--disables this by default. This could be avoided by actually linking to the cookie pusher rather than insinuating it into an img, but IMO this exacerbates the problem of deciding where users should see that link. The image-based cookie will not be set under any circumstances if: The browser is not set to show images. The browser is set to disallow all cookies. The browser is set to allow cookies only from a set of servers that does not include www.doi.org. The browser, or cookie management software, or firewall is set to disallow third party cookies. OR the browser does not go to a cookie-pushing page before going to services with DOI-based links to dx.doi.org. But again, there's no better solution right now to identify your users to the global DOI resolver. That's why we will increasingly tell vendors that straight DOI links are a very minimal level of service (just one step better than hard-wired links to publisher sites). The preferred solution for licensed services will be to include an OpenURL resolver's base URL in the customer profile information. Thomas Dowling Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu