From sean at durak.org Sun Jan 3 10:50:51 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: module for Netscape Roaming Access (mod_roaming) Message-ID: <368F91DB.40784659@durak.org> i bumped into this module for apache web servers today, which allows you to serve Netscape Communicator 4.5 user preferences, bookmarks, address books, cookies, all that personal stuff -- to users as the switch computers around your LAN or around the net. http://www.xs4all.nl/~vincentp/software/mod_roaming.html happy new year :-) -- sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From ladyhawk at well.com Sun Jan 3 14:59:43 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: ARL; Transforming Libraries/Disabilities Message-ID: <199901032001.MAA28572@smtp.well.com> January 3, 1999 Dear colleagues and friends, Happy new year! I am about to embark on a six- week project for the Association of Research Libraries, writing another in their ?Transforming Libraries? series. This one focuses on service to people with disabilities. ?Transforming Libraries? attempts to take a snapshot of where academic libraries are at a particular point in time: in this one, we are trying to come to grips with a number of questions about assistive technology. We want to know: what kinds of equipment are college and university libraries using for their computer setups and screens? Are they designing equipment themselves? What kinds of vendors are they using? How are they locating specialized equipment? How are they getting funding for these specialized needs? Are they addressing all kinds of needs, or are they prioritizing based on specific needs on their own campus? Where and how are they getting information about their specific needs? Are they working with groups on campus? How are they letting people know what special arrangements are or can be made available? I would be interested in comments in response to these questions and others; and I am particularly interested in interviewing librarians who are responding to these kinds of questions on their own campuses. I would also like, if possible, to interview students with disabilities who are using their college libraries and finding them responsive to their particular needs. These interviews can be conducted via e-mail or telephone. I will also be interviewing people at the American Library Association Midwinter meeting in Philadelphia Jan 29-Feb 3, 1999. I am building on some basic information available from a 95-96 ARL survey (Results of the entire survey are at The survey is described briefly at and you can get the raw data there as well). My own credentials and c.v. are available on my web site, see URL in my sig file, below. Please feel free to post this message to other lists where there may be interest. Thanks very much. Best, GraceAnne GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial and Web Consulting 350 E. 236th St. Bronx, NY 10470-2104 voice: 718/994-7794 * fax: 718/994-9851 E-mail ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html From danny at calafia.com Mon Jan 4 00:18:16 1999 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: What do you want from search engines? Message-ID: <199901040519.WAA08052@calafia.com> Hello Everyone-- I'm working on a piece about what professional researchers would like to see from search engines, in terms of new features or functionality. Please feel free to forward any wish lists or comments my way -- they would be appreciated it. You can email me at danny@calafia.com. It would help if you could start the subject of your message with "WISH." thanks! danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From dublinpub at lycosmail.com Mon Jan 4 10:13:04 1999 From: dublinpub at lycosmail.com (dublinpub@lycosmail.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: 56K Line Modem Question Message-ID: <99010410130402.24501@weba7.iname.net> Dear Web4Libbers, Sorry to bother you with this trivial question, but several months ago someone here posted information about how to check if your current analog phone line can support a 56K modem dial-in connection. Would someone be so kind as to repost this information? I searched the archives but could not find the posting I was looking for. I believe it involved a toll-free telephone number which could be used to verify if the local phone line can support 56K modems. Thanks for any information that you can provide. Brenda Tyler ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From sdk at mindspring.com Mon Jan 4 10:42:02 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 56K Line Modem Question Message-ID: <001001be37f8$c6792dc0$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> Here ya go... http://www.3com.com/56k/need4_56k/linetest.html Shirl Kennedy (who is lucky if she can wring 24K out of GTE's dixie cups and string around here) Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ -----Original Message----- From: dublinpub@lycosmail.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] 56K Line Modem Question >Dear Web4Libbers, >Sorry to bother you with this trivial question, but several months ago someone here posted information about how to check if your current analog phone line can support a 56K modem dial-in connection. Would someone be so kind as to repost this information? I searched the archives but could not find the posting I was looking for. I believe it involved a toll-free telephone number which could be used to verify if the local phone line can support 56K modems. >Thanks for any information that you can provide. >Brenda Tyler > >----------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net Mon Jan 4 11:16:20 1999 From: fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net (Donovan Lambright) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links Message-ID: <01BE37CB.48C659C0@COMPSERVICES> We have had this problem with NT workstations and Navigator 4.03. Rebooting is the only solution we've found. We haven't had it happen more than once a day on any given workstation, though. In fact, the problem happens pretty sporadically-not often enough to be considered more than a nuisance. If there is any pattern, I haven't spotted it. Since rebooting fixes the problem, I would speculate that it's related to NT's use of RAM. That's just a guess. I don't think it's a Netscape problem, because we have observed the same behavior in NT's Calculator applet. All of a sudden, the buttons don't work and rebooting fixes it. I will say, however, that I haven't seen Calculator do it nearly as often as Netscape. Those are the only two applications I've seen this happen with. D Donovan Lambright Computer Services Supervisor Missouri River Regional Library PO Box 89 Jefferson City, MO 65102 (573)634-2464 From vladislav at davidzon.com Mon Jan 4 11:31:17 1999 From: vladislav at davidzon.com (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links Message-ID: <011501be37ff$a80ff9c0$ccea48cf@highlander> When we first upgraded to 4.03 when it came out, I had the same darned problem. For some reason, Communicator was opening a second copy of itself. Look at ALT+TAB / start menu, see if a second copy is being loaded. I would not necesserily blame this little bug on Netscape or NT. Look at how the pages are coded, maybe there is something certain about the pages where the program stops responding. I do suspect that Navigator has fauly handling of target tags. Just me .02. Vladislav Davidzon http://www.davidzon.com -----Original Message----- From: Donovan Lambright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:17 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links >We have had this problem with NT workstations and Navigator 4.03. Rebooting is the only solution we've found. We haven't had it happen more than once a day on any given workstation, though. In fact, the problem happens pretty sporadically-not often enough to be considered more than a nuisance. If there is any pattern, I haven't spotted it. > >Since rebooting fixes the problem, I would speculate that it's related to NT's use of RAM. That's just a guess. I don't think it's a Netscape problem, because we have observed the same behavior in NT's Calculator applet. All of a sudden, the buttons don't work and rebooting fixes it. I will say, however, that I haven't seen Calculator do it nearly as often as Netscape. Those are the only two applications I've seen this happen with. > >D > >Donovan Lambright >Computer Services Supervisor >Missouri River Regional Library >PO Box 89 >Jefferson City, MO 65102 >(573)634-2464 > > From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Jan 4 21:30:19 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Lynx Links Message-ID: <990104213019.74fc@sals.edu> I have occasionally seen questions about finding sites which work well with text browsers. This latest posting on the Newjour (electronic journals) list looks like a good source. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org --------------------------------------------- Vance Bell wrote: From: vbell@dept.english.upenn.edu (Vance Bell) Subject: Lynx Links Digest Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:33:34 -0500 (EST) Lynx Links Digest http://members.tripod.com/~lynxlinks/ Lynx Links is the email digest you've been waiting for. Lynx Links reviews internet resources that are Lynx friendly, useful, and fun! There are a lot of websites out there, chock full of frames, imagemaps, badly made forms, and poorly formatted tables. They will work, usually, with those "other" browsers. But trying to use them with Lynx is well-nigh impossible! Lynx is forgiving, but it cannot correct HTML errors for you. Subscribe to Lynx Links, and receive reviews on a variety of useful, friendly, and fun internet sites. We review websites, newsgroups, discussion lists, gopher resources, shareware/freeware, web-boards, MUDs, and anything else that catches our reviewers' eyes. Back Issues: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~spratz/lynxlinks/archives/ SUBSCRIBE: by sending a blank message to: lynxlinks-subscribe@rtfm.ml.org UNSUBSCRIBE: by sending a blank message to: lynxlinks-unsubscribe@rtfm.ml.org Contact: lynxlinks-owner@rtfm.ml.org From danforth at tiac.net Mon Jan 4 21:50:19 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: L.O.S.T. - Online Workshop - Home Schooling and Libraries Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990104215019.009c0d80@sunspot.tiac.net> ********************************** ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FROM L.O.S.T. Tips and Suggestions for Meeting the Needs of Home schoolers L.O.S.T. (Librarian's On-line Support Team) is sponsoring another free on-line professional development workshop available to library personnel with Internet capability. Tips and Suggestions for Meeting the Needs of Home schoolers will be presented by Diane Gaylor. The number of families who home school has steadily increased in recent years. By the turn of the century, an estimated 5% of school aged children will be taught at home. What are librarians doing to reach this population? Is it working? What do home schoolers want? Learn how to be part of the solution! Diane Gaylor earned her BA Liberal Studies-Elementary Education from Christ College Irvine and her MLIS from San Jose State University. Since 1986, she has worked at Christ College Irvine, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, and Concordia University. She was a library office manager and reference librarian before becoming Director of Library Services at Concordia in 1997. This session will be offered on Tuesday, Jan 26, 1999 at 1 PM ET, and will be repeated at 7 PM ET. Librarians need not leave their homes or worksites to take part in the seminar. Participants will log onto Diversity University's live "virtual campus" environment from their home or work computer. Organizers anticipate the workshop will last about an hour and a half. Each workshop is limited to twenty people and pre-registration is necessary. Email Isabel Danforth at danforth@tiac.net by January 15th to register and obtain a conference information and direction packet. The Librarian's On-Line Support Team (L.O.S.T.) is a an organization that is coordinated by a steering committee consisting of academic, research, public, and K- 12 librarians from wide-spread locations. The group provides space for librarians, many of whom are being thrust into cyberspace with minimal training and support, to get both formal and informal instruction and mentoring. Librarians with various levels of background can meet to share ideas and experiences informally. The group is currently based at the virtual campus of Diversity University, a cyberspace location that offers both real-time and delayed interaction via computer and currently supports over 4,000 educators and students world-wide. Information about L.O.S.T. and its programs can be found at: http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sar_kuper at sals.edu Tue Jan 5 13:38:54 1999 From: sar_kuper at sals.edu (Josh Kuperman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov and navigator 4.08 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990105133854.007d3e60@mailx.netheaven.com> Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their is some difference in the newer browsers. Some of our users (oops, sorry I meant patrons - just a throwback to when I worked as a systems administrator) have pointed out to me a few things that work in 4.05 that don't work in 4.08. They all involve websites that use Java, but I've no idea exactly what the problem is. -- Josh Kuperman Saratoga Springs Public Library sar_kuper@sals.edu 49 Henry St 518.584.7860x211 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 http://www.library.saratoga.ny.us From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Tue Jan 5 14:33:17 1999 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna M Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Submitting websites to search engines Message-ID: <000d01be38e2$3ed58ea0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> I'm interested in hearing about how other people have fared in submitting or resubmitting urls to the major search engines and directories. Four weeks ago, on 16 December, we relaunched our website http://www.opus.co.nz/ , and I realise that the holidays have intervened, but when I search for "opus international consultants" on AltaVista, Infoseek, Hotbot, Lycos and Yahoo it is still not coming up. In some instances the search results include an earlier url http://www.wcs.co.nz/ created before the company changed its name from Works Consultancy Services, although all search engines were advised of the change in April 1997. Even more curious is this response from the search on AltaVista: >>1. Opus International Consultants Home Page New Zealand's largest integrated architectural, engineering, planning, facilities management and property consultancy URL: www.wcs.co.nz/ Last modified 16-Dec-98 - page size 9K - in English >> Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with a slightly later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at our end?? Should I allow more time?? Any suggestions or ideas would be welcome. Thanks, Dianna Roberts ******************************************************************** Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS (The Library & Information Service) Opus International Consultants, P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ******************************************************************** From wcj1 at cornell.edu Tue Jan 5 15:00:54 1999 From: wcj1 at cornell.edu (Bill Jenkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] http://www.fafsa.ed.gov and navigator 4.08 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990105133854.007d3e60@mailx.netheaven.com> Message-ID: At 12:46 PM -0600 1/5/99, Josh Kuperman wrote: >Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for >financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator >later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site >and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know >what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to >update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their >is some difference in the newer browsers. FAFSA tests every broswer version as they come out... My opinion is that if they could change the FAFSA website to another layout that would just work with all broswers, but that would take development on their end... BillJ ~~~~~ Bill Jenkins wcj1@cornell.edu <-permanent address wcj1@uiuc.edu Graduate School of Library and Information Science, Univ. of Illinois From doering at mail.uwlax.edu Tue Jan 5 15:20:54 1999 From: doering at mail.uwlax.edu (William Doering) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Periodicals Librarian vacancy - Wisconsin Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990105142054.006cd324@mail.uwlax.edu> POSITION VACANCY Position Title: Periodicals Librarian Position Description: Coordinate daily activities of the periodicals department. Responsible for collection development activities related to the periodicals collection. Assist in reference services, bibliographic instruction, and monographic collection development in assigned subjects. Participate in collegial governance and campus and professional activities. Qualifications: Qualifications required: ALA-accredited MLS, a second master's degree required for tenure; minimum three years professional library experience and strong communications skills. Qualifications preferred: supervisory experience; experience within a periodicals unit; experience with electronic access to periodicals and periodicals subsystems. Salary: $33,000-37,000 depending on experience. 9-month tenure track position. Starting Date: Starting August 30th, 1999 with possible partial summer appointment. Location: La Crosse is famous for its exceptional natural beauty. The city (population 51,000) is located on the east bank of the Mississippi River below towering bluffs. Abundant water and woodlands provide year-round recreation sites for skiing, hunting, camping, and other outdoor activities. La Crosse is also home to two other colleges, a symphony orchestra, excellent theatrical and cultural events, and superb health care facilities. The University: The University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, founded in 1909, is a public institution governed by the Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin system. With a faculty and staff of more than 450, UW-L serves approximately 9,000 students from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, and 32 other states and 28 other countries. The 119-acre campus is located within easy walking distance of downtown La Crosse in a residential section of the city. Application procedure: Send letter of application, resume, and the names of three references by March 1, 1999 to Randy Hoelzen, Chair, Library Department, Murphy Library, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, 1631 Pine St., La Crosse, WI 54601. UW-La Crosse is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. Women, persons of color, and individuals with a disability are encouraged to apply. If you have a special need/accommodation to aid your participation in our hiring process please contact the person above to make appropriate arrangements. Under Wisconsin Statutes, we are required to provide a list of nominees and applicants. A written request can exclude one from this list. Persons agreeing to be final candidates (to be interviewed) will have their identities revealed as final candidates. William Doering Integrated Systems Librarian Murphy Library University of Wisconsin - La Crosse 1631 Pine St. La Crosse, WI 54601 (608)785-8399 fax (608)836-8349 doering@mail.uwlax.edu From janicem at camden.lib.nj.us Tue Jan 5 16:55:59 1999 From: janicem at camden.lib.nj.us (Janice Harding Masud) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: NT Training Message-ID: <000301be38f6$2e6a9600$c801050a@Janicem.camden.lib.nj.us> Greetings I posted this question once before but received no response so I thought I would try again. Our Technology Committee has been looking for a concise Windows NT class to offer the librarians in our regional cooperative but have been unsuccessful. Have any of you attended a one day class that you found helpful? If so, who taught the class and what was the format? I?ll be happy to summarize for the list. Thanks in advance. Janice Harding Masud Supervisor, Automation Services janicem@camden.lib.nj.us From marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au Tue Jan 5 17:06:04 1999 From: marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au (Marty Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: CHAT LINE ACCESS IN PUBLIC LIBRARIES Message-ID: Hoping not to lead into the (urk) FILTERING discussion, I want to get an idea of the general consensus on allowing chat line access to public library patrons. I have a couple of reasons for this Firstly we have patrons who are abusing the free internet access we offer by persistent use of chat lines of an apparently pornographic nature. It is much more difficult to identify or police the 'no porn' policy when the offending material is in the form of text and not images - regardless of how the PC's are located. Secondly we have recently been alerted by a 'neighbourhood watch' group to a case of a (US) law enforcer who established himself as a 14yo on a popular chat service and through subtle questioning found the address of a 'real' 14yo female. On identifying his plot to the girls parents they were shocked to know what their daughter had been discussing. Raises the question of whether parents signing authorisation for their under 18 to use the net know what they are indeed signing. So - does anyone restrict / disallow access to chat lines or handle this issue in any way? Or is it another service we offer 'warts and all' in the interests of human (or in the US case constitutional) rights? Cheers Marty Williams Team Leader Programs and Marketing City of Onkaparinga Libraries http://www.plain.sa.gov.au/~cool Tel: 83840732 Mob: 0416 102507 Fax: 83821232 marwil@onkaparinga.sa.gov.au From jul at oclc.org Tue Jan 5 17:07:49 1999 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Adjunct Faculty Opportunities Message-ID: [Cross-posted to several relevant lists. Please redistribute as appropriate. --Erik] The OCLC Institute seeks highly motivated and talented individuals who wish to associate with the OCLC Institute as Adjunct Faculty. Now entering its second year of full-scale operations, the OCLC Institute is continuing to grow rapidly. Our growth plans include: * Growing our catalog of courses * Expanding the number of OCLC Institute events * Extending our geographical reach globally You can be a part of this mission-oriented expansion if you: * Possess subject or technical expertise in an area of interest to the OCLC Institute * Have demonstrated presentation skills and experience * Feel a strong dedication to ongoing education and knowledge exchange * Share a future vision for knowledge management and want to contribute actively to its realization * Desire opportunities for personal and professional growth For qualified professionals the OCLC Institute offers: * Competitive pay * Expenses paid * Flexible schedule of events * Ongoing support and development * A chance to make a difference Adjunct Faculty positions are contractual, and remuneration depends upon the nature of your contribution and services rendered. To explore Adjunct Faculty opportunities further, please contact Erik Jul, Associate Director, OCLC Institute, at jul@oclc.org or 1-800-848-5878, ext. 4364. In addition, I will be at ALA Midwinter and would be happy to meet with you informally to discuss Adjunct Faculty opportunities. I will be in the OCLC Red Suite, Philadelphia Marriott, on Saturday, January 30, from 1:00-2:00 p.m., and again on Sunday, January 31, from 11:00 a.m. to noon. (Check with the hotel's front desk for the room number of the OCLC Red Suite.) Simply drop by at any time during those hours. OCLC is an equal opportunity employer. We maintain a strong ongoing commitment to equal opportunity and affirmative action, and we seek to sustain a diverse workplace. Yours truly, --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute From lknight at vms1.cc.uop.edu Tue Jan 5 18:05:01 1999 From: lknight at vms1.cc.uop.edu (Lorrie knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: user transactions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990105150501.006997f0@vms1.cc.uop.edu> Hello: Our web based products are deployed on computers along with word processing, stats, etc. We would like to know what students are using and how long they are using each program. Is anyone aware of software that would log on the student to the workstation and track (anonymously of course) their computer activities? Or something similar? At minimum, we would like to know frequency and length of use of programs/databases. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From danny at calafia.com Tue Jan 5 18:55:57 1999 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Submitting websites to search engines In-Reply-To: <000d01be38e2$3ed58ea0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Message-ID: <199901052356.QAA10145@calafia.com> > Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is > still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with a slightly > later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at > our end?? Should I allow more time?? You didn't say if you actually submitted the URL of your new site. If you didn't, AltaVista and the others may not find it immediately. You should submit it via the various Add URL pages immediately. Also, your old site will also continue to be listed unless you remove it from your server or block search engines with a robots.txt file. Ideally, you should redirect traffic from the old site to the new site. FYI, your new site is listed with AltaVista. Just do this: url:opus.co.nz and you'll see your pages. The reason you don't find them when you search for "opus international consultants" is because so many pages from your old site are relevant for that term that you push your new pages down. You are also listed at Infoseek. The same url: command works there, but in your case, it is better to do site:opus.co.nz in order to filter out pages from another site with a similar URL. You and others can find more info at my site, http://searchenginewatch.com/ cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Tue Jan 5 20:11:37 1999 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna M Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines In-Reply-To: <199901052356.QAA10145@calafia.com> Message-ID: <001201be3911$828f28c0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Danny, Thanks for the info. However, the site that AltaVista and Infoseek find when I search on the url is not our newest site, but an earlier version. I did submit the site and asked to have the old (and even older) one removed but nothing has happened as yet. Perhaps they had too good a Christmas and/or New Year?! I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and wait a little longer before trying again. A reply from another Web4libber, Jim LaPaz, recounted a similar experience with their new site taking over a month to appear on major search engines. Regards, Dianna ******************************************************************** Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS (The Library & Information Service) Opus International Consultants, P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ******************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Danny Sullivan > Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 1999 13:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines > > > > Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is > > still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with > a slightly > > later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at > > our end?? Should I allow more time?? > > You didn't say if you actually submitted the URL of your new site. If > you didn't, AltaVista and the others may not find it immediately. You > should submit it via the various Add URL pages immediately. > > Also, your old site will also continue to be listed unless you remove it > from your server or block search engines with a robots.txt file. Ideally, > you should redirect traffic from the old site to the new site. > > FYI, your new site is listed with AltaVista. Just do this: > url:opus.co.nz > > and you'll see your pages. The reason you don't find them when you > search for "opus international consultants" is because so many pages > from your old site are relevant for that term that you push your new > pages down. > > You are also listed at Infoseek. The same url: command works there, > but in your case, it is better to do site:opus.co.nz in order to > filter out > pages from another site with a similar URL. > > You and others can find more info at my site, > http://searchenginewatch.com/ > > cheers, > danny > > ----------------------------------- > Danny Sullivan > Editor, Search Engine Watch > http://searchenginewatch.com > From beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us Tue Jan 5 21:45:45 1999 From: beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us (Ken Becker) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] NT Training In-Reply-To: <000301be38f6$2e6a9600$c801050a@Janicem.camden.lib.nj.us> Message-ID: There is a company called CompuMaster which conducts 1, 2, or 3 day on-site training programs which they say can be tailor to your needs. I recently went to one for PC upgrading & repair. I was happy with the trainer and the materials they covered/gave out. Don't know if they offer a "getting to know NT" workshop -- the closest I see listed is one "Supporting, Troubleshooting and Optimizing Win NT", which may not be what you're looking for. Still it's worth a call for info & pricing: 800-867-4340 (I assume they train nationwide; HQ is in KS and I'm in CA -- why not NJ?) Ken Becker Menlo Park Lib. Menlo Park, CA On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Janice Harding Masud wrote: > Greetings > > > I posted this question once before but received no response so I thought I > would try again. Our Technology Committee has been looking for a concise > Windows NT class to offer the librarians in our regional cooperative but > have been unsuccessful. Have any of you attended a one day class that you > found helpful? If so, who taught the class and what was the format? Ill > be happy to summarize for the list. Thanks in advance. > > Janice Harding Masud > Supervisor, Automation Services > janicem@camden.lib.nj.us > > > From cchick at earthlink.net Wed Jan 6 00:30:28 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - Jan. 4, 1999 Message-ID: <3692F4F4.C7881C27@earthlink.net> LLRX (http://www.llrx.com) is the free legal Webzine providing current, comprehensive resources for legal professionals and law librarians on research, marketing and information technology solutions. Editors: Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick. --------------------------------------------------------------- New on LLRX for January 4, 1999 Internet Usage Policies in the Workplace Labor and employment lawyer Todd Wulffson targets the broad range of liability issues related to corporate use of computers, the Internet and e-mail in his three part article. Part I of this article is a discussion of the underlying implications of technology applications to your organization. Part II is a sample Internet Acceptable Use Policy in the form of a memorandum. Part III is a sample form on the Use of Electronic Mail. Legal Technology Predictions for 1999: What to Expect on the Internet Jerry Lawson, lawyer, legal Web site publisher and author, shares a few salient predictions about how lawyers and technology will interact this coming year. Genie Tyburski's ResearchWire this month is Discoveries in Real Estate, a Web enabled tour of government resources and associated services to assist the cyberspace researcher. In Panel Panache, Marie Wallace details how a program planner may create a successful presentation format through the use of a well chosen, skilled panel. In Margaret Berkland's new Links in the News you will find: a site that provides SEC filings and financial analysis from 1994-1998; a new full-text database recently added to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Web site; Congressional Research Service Reports on the Web; a service that allows you to create a customized international maket research report; a Visual Basic training site; and for investors, a site that has links to over 8,500 investment resources covering 107 categories. On the Newsstand has links to articles on: the New York Public Library's new Web site; predictions about Internet law and policy issues for 1999; the FTC's sweeping new report on Web compliance; the Y2K race to the finish line; law suits concerning technology patents; ownership of valuable and highly desired domain names; the Social Security Administration's victory against the Y2K bug; how to find transcripts online; designing an intranet; and V.90 modems. LLRXalerts reports on the possible sale of Reed Elsevier, and the valuable Lexis-Nexis legal database. -----------------------KeyCite------------------- KeyCite sm, a powerful new citator and case-finder by West Group, integrates West-reported case law, full-text headnotes, and West's Topic and Key Numbers into a super-efficient system for finding cases on point. Find out how to revolutionize your legal research today. Visit-----> http://www.westgroup.com/keycite From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jan 8 08:07:11 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <005c01be3b07$d3ed80c0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Hanan Cohen To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:24 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? >Hi > >What you are looking for is called PERL. PERL is a script langauge. The >interpreter sits on your server, any server. You write simple programs >and call them from your web pages. Tne programs can do almost anything, >including running an executable. > The original post was a little vague, but I believe the poster wanted the ability for web pages to launch an executable *on the client* (i.e. my server sends a web page that makes your PC start up some program it already has installed). If so, the many posts in the archive about w3launch probably fit the bill. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jfgreen at pilot.msu.edu Fri Jan 8 08:47:08 1999 From: jfgreen at pilot.msu.edu (Jim Green) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <004501be3b0d$629a5e10$21010823@jfgreen.cl.msu.edu> What may be confusing you is the server versus client issue. JavaScript and VbScript typically run in the CLIENT -- that is, Netscape and Internet Explorer have built-in JavaScript interpreters that can execute JavaScript code that is embedded in an HTML format web page. What you are talking about is usually done on the web SERVER. That is, a program called myprog.exe is located on the web server machine, and an HTML format web page has a link to the program that executes it when the person viewing the web page clicks on that link. Myprog.exe then runs on the SERVER, and sends any output it produces to the client in HTML format. In the UNIX world, with which I am much more familiar, the usual way of accomplishing this is by using CGI (Common Gateway Interface) -- myprog.exe would be stored in a special directory, called cgi-bin, under my Apache web server tree, and I would just make a link to http://myserver.msu.edu/cgi-bin/myprog.exe and that would basically do it, though myprog.exe would almost certainly need to be modified to accept input coming from the HTML web page (typically HTML form input), and definitely to format its output according to CGI/HTML. Perl is probably the most popular language for writing these CGI scripts/programs, but they can be written in any language that is available on the web server machine. I'm sorry I'm not more familiar with Window web servers -- if I were I could give you a better answer. But for starters, are you running a web server on your standalone machine? I think that is going to be a requirement. It seems to me FrontPage comes with Personal Web Server, so be sure that is up and running properly. Then you have to figure out how to do server-side scripting in that environment. I believe it is possible to use CGI on a Windows web server, but I have never done it so I don't know for sure. You can even get a version of Perl for Intel machines, though I think a simple DOS batch file might also be made to work in your situation. Alternatively, Active Server Pages is a Microsoft-specific solution to investigate; it is probably worth the trouble assuming your corporate web server is Windows NT. HTH -- good luck. Jim Green Project Leader -- Library Support Services Group Michigan State University Computer Laboratory phone: (517) 355-4500 ext. 176 fax: (517)353-9847 e-mail: jfgreen@pilot.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Tony Iezzi To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:12 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? >Hello, > >I'm looking for help in working out how to write a script that accesses a >program on a stand alone computer. The script must work from inside a web >page and must activate the programs executable file. Eventually we will be >putting all of this onto a corporate web site, but for now stand alone is >fine. > > >I'm using Frontpage 98 and manual, and there's much explanation about >JavaScript and VBScript to do all sorts of fancy things on a web site, but >nothing about running a program. Maybe I'm missing something here..... > >I would be forever grateful if anyone can explain it to me in English. > >Thankyou in advance, > >Tony Iezzi >CSL Research librarian > From md1251 at mclink.it Fri Jan 8 09:34:53 1999 From: md1251 at mclink.it (Francesco Giacanelli) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Diagramming software Message-ID: <01BE3B1C.72F90CC0@net133-120.mclink.it> Dear Web4libbers, I would like to know if there are software (possibly freeware) with which to design blueprint and diagram of a web site, and which allow various annotations and comments for the single page or the entire web site (I know only NetObject Fusion). Any suggestions and comments about will be appreciated. Thanks very much in advance Francesco Giacanelli *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Francesco Giacanelli Biblioteca Italiana per i Ciechi - Centro di Documentazione Tiflologica (Italian Library for the Blind - Documentation Center on Blindness) Via della Fontanella di Borghese, 23 - 00186 Roma, Italy Tel.: +39 06 68219820 Fax: +39 06 68136227 e-mail: cdtinfo@uiciechi.it private e-mail: md1251@mclink.it *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From WSullivan at cslib.org Fri Jan 8 10:05:24 1999 From: WSullivan at cslib.org (William Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: CT Library Network - Position Announcement Message-ID: SEARCH EXTENDED CONNECTICUT STATE LIBRARY INFORMATION ARCHITECT The Connecticut State Library is seeking a highly energetic, technically knowledgeable individual with superb interpersonal skills who will work with us to develop the current statewide bibliographic database ("reQuest") into a one-stop, Web-accessible resource that is a window to the holdings of every library in Connecticut. You will work and learn in an environment that encourages innovation, creative thinking, and cross-disciplinary research. This is a high priority, high visibility project of the Connecticut Library Network (www.cslib.org/cln) serving every citizen of the state. The Information Architect will promote the awareness and use of the service throughout the state; ensure the integrity and quality control of the database; ensure compliance with contractual requirements; plan and coordinate the migration of the database from a centralized to a distributed resource; plan and coordinate training of library staff; perform ongoing systems administration/network support duties; plus other duties as required. Travel required. Qualifications: A Masters Degree in Library Science or Information Science from an ALA-accredited library school, or a Masters Degree in a field closely related to information technology and three (3) years post-graduate professional employment in a library systems environment. Salary: Starting salary $50,370 with annual increases to $61,066 plus fringe benefit package. Applications: A position description with full duties and complete qualifications is available upon request or you may visit the Connecticut State Library website at www.cslib.org/jobs.htm. This position will remain open until filled. Please submit letter of application with resume to David Peck, Human Resources/Affirmative Action Program Manager, Connecticut State Library, 231 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, CT 06106. Qualified women, minorities, individuals with disabilities, veterans and older persons are encouraged to apply. The Connecticut State Library is an EEO/AA employer. From Susan.Hopwood at vmsb.csd.mu.edu Fri Jan 8 10:37:30 1999 From: Susan.Hopwood at vmsb.csd.mu.edu (Susan Hopwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: position--Head of Library Systems--Milwaukee Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990108093730.006b3680@vms.csd.mu.edu> Please help us identify and recruit qualified candidates. Contact address at end of announcement. ********************************* Head of Library Systems and Automation Marquette University Libraries invites applications for the position of Head of Library Systems and Automation. Reporting to the Dean of Libraries, this senior position provides leadership in responding to patron and staff academic computing needs in a multiple library setting, including staff training and identifying, assessing, and recommending the applicability of new products and services. Marquette is in the initial planning stages for a new $50 million library, and this position will play a central role in shaping how information services will be provided in the new environment. The position calls for an ambitious, innovative, and energetic professional enthusiastic about the application of technology to traditional and new information services, flexible in dealing with changing user and institutional needs, and committed to a collegial and demanding work environment. For a full description of the position and responsibilities, see the Library Information section of the Libraries' web site. http://www.marquette.edu/library The ideal candidate will have a strong computer background, including familiarity with current information system applications, personal computer technology, and significant experience with networks and telecommunications. S/he will have strong communication and interpersonal skills, service orientation and the ability to work effectively with colleagues, faculty, and students in a dynamic, team-based environment. A master's degree in computer, information, library science, or a related field is highly desirable. Management experience is preferred. Marquette University is an independent, Catholic, Jesuit institution located on an 80-acre campus near downtown Milwaukee. The University is comprised of 15 colleges and professional programs, offering some 35 master's and 15 doctoral-level degrees, with a student population of approximately 10,500 students. The University Libraries have a strong service orientation, carried out by 29 librarians and 41 support staff. Review of applications will begin February 15. The position will remain open until filled. Salary is competitive, commensurate with qualifications and experience. Generous benefits package. Letters of application, including a resume and the names of three references, should be sent to: Dr. Nicholas Burckel, Dean of Libraries, Marquette University Libraries, P.O. Box 3141, Milwaukee WI 53201-3141. Marquette is an equal opportunity and affirmative action employer. From hagena at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Fri Jan 8 14:36:55 1999 From: hagena at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Hagen Amen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape plug-ins and helpers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why can't you just remove the actual plug-in from the plug-ins directory? I do this all the time. I keep an archive of common plug-ins, and just drag and drop. Most common ones seem to handle it just fine. Every time Netscape loads, it scans that directory and builds the list. Hagen Amen MCL Automation Services On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Kucera, Ann wrote: > According to our PC help desk, the only way to get rid of the plug ins is to > uninstall Netscape and reinstall it without the plug ins. > > Jane Neale[SMTP:nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu] asked: > > Is there a way to change from these Netscape plug-ins > > to another application or a competing plug-in? From awade at u.washington.edu Fri Jan 8 16:17:00 1999 From: awade at u.washington.edu (Alex Wade) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <001101be3b4c$3d8ff370$1c685f80@lib.washington.edu> There is also a very small run-from-server freeware option called Run_X. Quite simlar to, but simpler than, W3launch. It is available from http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-65576/ Of course, it appears that the English instructions are gone. Is there a Swede in the house? (I'll make up a cookbook if there is interest.) ---Alex -----------------=======< Alex D. Wade >=======---------------------- Distributed Computing Systems | awade@u.washington.edu 206/616.2867 Univ. of Washington Libraries | http://faculty.washington.edu/awade/ ----=======< Systems Librarian & Philosophy Librarian >=======------- >"Thomas Dowling" wrote: > >The original post was a little vague, but I believe the poster wanted the >ability for web pages to launch an executable *on the client* (i.e. my >server sends a web page that makes your PC start up some program it >already has installed). If so, the many posts in the archive about >w3launch probably fit the bill. From Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu Fri Jan 8 16:25:26 1999 From: Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu (Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR@unomail.unomaha.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Fortres Question Message-ID: <862566F3.0075AFBC.00@unomail.unomaha.edu> Was wondering if anyone using Fortres had any thoughts on this problem we've encountered: Environment: Windows95. Internet Explorer 4.0 running an in-house ActiveX control. The control is responsible for mounting and unmounting NT network shares to provide access to CD-Rom databases. After mounting the share, the control loads the client program for the particular product, runs it and un-mounts the share when the program has terminated. During the process of running the client program, the control suspends Internet Explorer until the client program has exited. Problem: After telling the control which CD-Rom product to mount, the system freezes after 10 or 15 seconds to the point where nothing happens when the start button is depressed or CTRL+ALT+DEL is attempted. The only way out is to turn off the machine's power. Is there any particular setting that must be enabled or disabled to allow the Active X program to mount & unmount shares and run programs over the network drive? Marc Davis University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, NE 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 FAX: (402) 554-3215 From tk at lms.kent.edu Fri Jan 8 16:44:51 1999 From: tk at lms.kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? Message-ID: 1-8-99 Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? The LITA Secure Systems & Services Interest Group is presenting an informal managed discussion at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia on the use of cookies and tokens for authentication. DATE: Monday 2-1-99 TIME: 9:30--11:00 am PLACE: Crowne Plaza--Declaration Room David Barber, Director, New Services Development at OhioLINK, will speak on: "The OhioLINK Authentication Project: A multi-institutional, cookie-based authentication system for local and remote resources." Leo Cronin and Stuart McLean, of Lexis-Nexis, will speak on: "Passports and Tickets: Secure Use of Cookies for Web Customer Authentication to Multiple Services" These brief presentations will be followed by a managed discussion of the topic as well as a brief business meeting of the Interest Group. Anyone interested in the topic of authentication, as well as the general activities of the Interest Group, is encouraged to attend. Bring your own experiences and opinions. Bring reports of your own local authentication projects. And, oh....bring your own milk! ----------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Head of Systems, Libraries and Media Services Kent State University, Kent, OH, U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-2962 (x. 18) tk@kent.edu 330-672-4811 (fax) ----------------------------------------------------------- From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Sat Jan 9 12:44:42 1999 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard Goerwitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? References: Message-ID: <3697958A.5216C125@goon.stg.brown.edu> Tom Klingler wrote: > > 1-8-99 > > Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? > > The LITA Secure Systems & Services Interest Group is presenting an informal > managed discussion at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia on the use of cookies > and tokens for authentication. I supposed you'll also address the question of how cookies will be used at kiosks (where you shouldn't just exit a browser, and where a cookie may live through many, many user sessions - if in fact the institution maintaining the kiosk permits cookies to be stored at all). And I hope you'll also answer the criticism that domain-based cookies, like the ones you're using, are positively the worst kind, because they cannot easily be intercepted by reverse proxies. Cookies (domain or machine-based) can't be intercepted at all by URL-rewriting systems used in many institutions, such as the UVa and Harvard. And of course, cookies have been the subject of ongoing security con- cerns, leading many people simply to turn them off. Finally, it would be useful if you would discuss, in general, why no other authentication method (browser plug-ins, reverse proxies, URL- encoded session IDs, etc.) is workable here. -- Richard Goerwitz PGP key fingerprint: C1 3E F4 23 7C 33 51 8D 3B 88 53 57 56 0D 38 A0 For more info (mail, phone, fax no.): finger richard@goon.stg.brown.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jan 1 08:10:01 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:58 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jan 01 Message-ID: <199901011310.IAA00311@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? 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Kate Halcrow khalcrow@ix.netcom.com From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri Jan 15 10:29:48 1999 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [LONG] A Note on Internet Search Engines and Metadata Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990115102948.00b77100@nlc-bnc.ca> Here is a longish note I prepared to help guide a couple of organization's activities about this. The META tag mythology is distracting since organization's believe this will help people beat a path to their door. This is wrong. Metadata is useful, but it needs a context to make it so. Comments and criticisms are welcomed as always. -tk ------------------------------------------------------- A NOTE ON INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES AND METADATA (DRAFT: December 11, 1998) Terry Kuny email: terry.kuny@xist.com INTRODUCTION The use of metadata by Internet search engine developers has been a recurring thread in numerous metadata and library-related lists. At first glance, it seems apparent that having the Internet search engine services use metadata would be critical to uptake and successful deployment of metadata schemas. As it turns out, this is probably a wrong assertion but it is one that is frequently made. The usual refrain that stimulates this discussion is: 1. An organization or company has the following objective: "We want to make our information more accessible on the Internet." 2. The above organization or company then addresses this objective by wanting to use metadata, in the hope that it will be picked up by Internet search engines and that users will be able to access this metadata in some meaningful manner. Therefore the question put to the metadata community has been: "What efforts are being made to have search engine developers integrate metadata support into their products?" This note provides an update on the role of metadata, the future of Internet search engines, and the state of Internet information retrieval. WHAT DO SEARCH ENGINES DO WITH METADATA? None of the Internet search engines accessible on the web (i.e. Yahoo, Alta Vista, Excite, Infoseek, etc.) will actually read Dublin Core (DC) or any other metadata and do meaningful things with this information. For example, none provide structured metadata searches or appear to use the metadata to rank metadata-enabled resources differently. Some search engines use a non-standardized description metadata tag to provide a text string describing a resource in results listings. This is a weak mechanism for helping to determine search relevance and is not proven to be effective for scanning since the tags is used infrequently and/or poorly. There are no search engines that specifically exploit the advantages of structured search using any metadata scheme. WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF METADATA SUPPORT IN INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES? Will this situation change? The answer is not encouraging - at least from the perspective of those who believe that metadata support in the Internet search services is key to the success of metadata. All Internet search engines are currently under considerable scrutiny and criticism for the manner in which they provide their services. Some of the criticisms leveled against search engines include: ? Deceptive claims about coverage. ? Lack of information about how the index is constructed. ? Commercialization of results sets. ? Increased hit counts and poor relevance ranking. ? Clumsy and non-standard search syntaxes. Numerous individuals within different metadata communities and within other interested communities have been in regular communications with the major Internet search engine developers (i.e. AltaVista, Excite, Yahoo). It is notable that none of the major Internet search engine developers are participating in metadata standards work. These companies have indicated that they have no intention of providing metadata support or functionality at this time, because of the following: 1. There is no clear business case for adding metadata support. The search engine companies' commercial interest is in keeping people at their sites for as long as possible to support their commercial clients and advertisers. It is not in their business plan to build a public domain search service that provides effective results. The driving force behind the web right now, and this is true of search engines, is primarily commerce and marketing. Dog chow vendors and other companies have an interest in being seen in the first couple of screens of a results set. Dog chow vendors have the money and a commercial interest. Their interests are congruent with the search engine provider's interest in getting money to improve access to company information. The commercial interests of search engine companies are to support a paying audience, not the free riders. Internet search engines are not public goods. 2. There is a justifiable fear that metadata will be used inappropriately by users to exploit their position in search results, i.e. index spamming or "metajacking." There are a number of techniques for doing this kind of spam and there are no simple technical solutions to guard against this kind of activity. It should be noted that there are already a number of legal cases involving the misuse of "metadata" and index spamming. 3. The quality and consistency of managed collections of metadata (provided by organizations with a clear interest in reliable metadata, such as libraries, museums, government agencies, publishers, etc.) is always likely to be higher than harvested metadata of unknown provenance. More related to this below. 4. There is also reluctance on the part of developers of Intranet systems to implement metadata in their systems since the business case has not been made for them either. A general consensus has emerged that these vendors will remain uninterested until buyers put significant pressure on them to develop metadata-enabled search engines and provide meaningful metadata support tools. It is these vendors that the metadata standards community is particularly interested in getting on-board with metadata development. It should also be noted that many Internet search engines are moving toward a "portal" strategy. At the heart of this strategy is not the continuance of a generalized search index, but rather a set of niche-oriented, focused, classified and categorized information services, usually targeted at supporting e-commerce imperatives. According to an article in Science magazine in early 1998, none of the current search systems cover more than, at best, a third of publicly available web resources. It is also interesting to note that the most popular service, Yahoo, is also the one with the smallest number of resources - a very tiny fraction of the others. Why is this so? Yahoo's use of a classification system provides them with a retrieval tool that is viewed by users as better than keywords in full-text databases. It is Yahoo's success and model that other Internet search services are trying to emulate. The reality that Internet search engines are not the primary sites for metadata activity or exploitation has been recognized widely in the metadata community. In response, in Australia, Europe, and the U.S., various organizations and "portals" have developed their own metadata-enabled services. Examples include the various EC/UK subject gateway services, the Internet Scout project, work at OCLC, Australia's Government Locator Service (AGLS) and BEP (Business Entry point) service, and so forth. The IFLA Metadata has a list of many of these projects page . CHANGE IN PHILOSOPHY OF SEARCHING What is apparent to researchers in distributed indexing is that the current strategy of search engines - that is, to indiscriminately harvest whatever they can find and then do selective indexing on those contents - is an unsustainable architecture for retrieval in a billion document universe. Full-text searching on heterogeneous contents is intrinsically problematic, resulting in the retrieval of tremendous numbers of low relevance documents. Standardized metadata upon which to support structured searches in a billion document universe is similarly problematic, both because a common standard is unlikely and because even simple metadata may be inadequate for providing meaningful retrieval. There does not exist an architecture that will support effective and widespread networked resource discovery in a scalable manner. The development of a scalable, networked retrieval architecture remains a significant area of research and development. There is some expectation that standards developments such as XML/RDF will be able to address some, certainly not all, of the requirements for enhanced search and retrieval in a networked environment. The metadata community is moving away from a "catalog everything" approach to a domain-specific metadata approach. This is an appropriate, and much needed, shift in perspective, since it is widely held that generalized Internet search engines will probably remain largely ineffective in providing effective retrieval even if there was a widespread adoption of metadata. If metadata is going to work, we must give up on Alta Vista, Excite, Yahoo, etc. and develop search engines that serve our own needs (which include identifying, acquiring, selecting, describing, arranging, storing, and retrieving). Abandoning the "StarTrek" view of information retrieval ("Computer: What is the gestation period of a blue Tribble") is a much needed development. It can also be argued that this means abandoning or redirecting the "single window" metaphor that has become prevalent in various communities. A sound approach to the problems of networked resource discovery is to recognize that information retrieval is an iterative process, and that metadata can be used most effectively when it is given a particular context for its use. For example, we do not go to a library OPAC to find local pizza restaurants. Local resource description communities must work to develop effective navigation and search services that make their own information resources more accessible through the development of domain-specific, tightly scoped, niche indexes and retrieval tools that support identifiable user communities. The strategy is to think local, act local. RECOMMENDATION As a guidance document, the following recommendation may be considered as an appropriate response given the current Internet search engine environment: Organizationsshould not implement metadata based on the belief that undertaking this will somehow enhance retrieval through Internet search engines at this time. An organization may choose to implement a variety of different metadata-enabled retrieval services and functions, but these should be addressed each on their own merits and not with the assumption that they will increase visibility within the Internet search engines. Metadata implementations should have a localized context for their use and development. The answer to the question of how to make an organization's website or information resources more visible or accessible is not an issue of metadata. Improvements in making local web resources more usable and navigable can help considerably. But in the final analysis, it is organizational commitment, effective marketing and promotion, regular communications with user communities, and the provision of compelling contents and services, which will be the key determinants of success in making information accessible. From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri Jan 15 10:40:28 1999 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: A couple of references on metadata and search engines Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990115104028.00b62c40@nlc-bnc.ca> Hello everyone, Sorry for the longish note on this *again* but since the subject keeps coming up and the same advice seems to be bandied about, perhaps these two recent will stir the pot a bit! ;-) -tk --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Heather Tunender and Jane Ervin. "How to Succeed in Promoting Your Web Site: The Impact of Search Engine Registration on Retrieval of a World Wide Web Site" Information Technology and Libraries, September 1998. - *none* of the engines indexed the META descriptor tag (Infoseek, AltaVista, Lycos, Yahoo!, Excite), even if they said they did. - there are limits as to how deep spiders go (only Infoseek and Excite went below one level) - some search engines never seemed to pick up revisions. - YAHOO human indexers do not use or consider the META tag in their assigning of categories. The study above ran for 4 weeks and the results for pickup of key phrases was very poor. None of the search engines appeared to index a planted keyword in META after 4 weeks. TK: as an anecdotal aside, I have numerous pages on some large internationally known resources which I have used META tags on for a couple of years, and have often checked to see whether 1) they were picked up and used in any meaningful way, and 2) if they made any difference in enhancing the retrieval of said pages. The short answer is: no they are not and no they don't. 2. User Interface Engineering did web-site studies in 1998 and discovered that users looking for information on websites were less effective when they used search engines than if they had just followed links. Users found correct answers in 46% of tests BUT when they used the site search engine, the success rate dropped to 30%. When they used only links, they succeeded 53% of the time: Searching reduces success! Garbage in/garbage out: classic rule applies. Most users did not understand how search engines might distinguish between partial and whole word searches. Most users did not understand the differences between plural and singular words in their searchers. Few searchers actually read the search instructions EVEN if they were directly below the keyword search box. Misspelled words are a big problem and people don’t always know they have misspelled a word. Problems interpreting search results were common. Most users had trouble determining why a search returned particular items. Most search results don’t provide any relevancy clues (like keyword in context). Some indexers use title fields and the titles of documents were poorly described. Full-text searching is "a blunt instrument for chipping away at a large block of information." Indexes are more precise tools and good indexing is a skill. Humans are still much better at doing this than machines. Expect the development of good indexing services to become more common in the future. "Searching is a difficult problem with no solution visible on the horizon." Their recommendation: "Until the technology is equal to the challenge, we suggest that designers seriously consider not including a search engine on their sites until the technology is equal to the challenge." URL: world.std.com/~uieweb/searchart.htm TK: Obviously findings like this about the success of local search engines could be extrapolated into the larger realm of Internet search engines. --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Terry Kuny Phone: 819-776-6602 XIST Inc. / Email: terry.kuny@xist.com Global Village Research URL: http://xist.com/kuny/ Snail: Box 1141, St. B, Hull, Quebec, Canada J8X 3Y1 --------------------------------------------------------------- From fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net Fri Jan 15 10:47:13 1999 From: fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net (MO River Regional Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Internet Training Programs Message-ID: <01BE406C.0BAD8780@CDROM1> Hello, Our library offers a monthly Internet training session on a new topic each month, as well as a basic Internet training course for the public. Some of the past titles of the sessions have been: Finding Scholarship Information on the Internet Investment Basics Kids Online Kids Resources Travel Finding Healthcare Information on the Internet Genealogy (our most popular topic yet) Shopping Online And so on... We are doing a session on finding tax info on the 'net this month, but I'm at a loss for what to present in the coming months. Has anyone out there been doing public information sessions like this and if so, what were some popular topics that you have presented? Any help will be appreciated!! Robin Hastings Computer Services Assistant Missouri River Regional Library ICQ #28391523 573-634-6064 x242 From bmcdonnell at andover.edu Fri Jan 15 08:33:53 1999 From: bmcdonnell at andover.edu (Bobbie McDonnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: hiring a consultant Message-ID: <369F43C0.7755@andover.edu> web4libbers, If you are in the Boston area and have used a web site consultant to redesign a web site (preferably educational) would you please give me their name and particulars. Thanks, Bobbie McDonnell bmcdonnell@andover.edu From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Fri Jan 15 13:45:49 1999 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Free mailing list services Message-ID: <369F8CDC.D95C352E@opac.osl.state.or.us> Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. Like hotmail or juno, the advertisements aren't too obtrusive. The eGroups service also automatically creates a free searchable and browsable archive. It's incredibly easy to set up a mailing list, just takes a minute using a Web form. This may be of interest or use to list subscribers here, for possible offshoot lists, other interest areas, and even to recommend as a possible tool for library patrons/clients. -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D./Oregon State Library/perez@opac.state.or.us/503-378-4243 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ". . . designing online displays is a lot like using color crayons to write on postcards made of sandpaper." - William Horton --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From thom at indiana.edu Fri Jan 15 13:59:16 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] hiring a consultant ... slightly related In-Reply-To: <369F43C0.7755@andover.edu> Message-ID: This is mostly for any college and university folks. I trying to find out who designs the websites and presence for colleges and universities. I have been having a running battle with a university group at Indiana who wants to go with an outside group to design their website. My argument is that the better skills are actually on campus with students and that the university should invest back into their students and provide paid internships which will enable the students to get even better jobs when they graduate. The university is also a much more complex technological environment than any place off campus. So if you know that your college and/or university is designed on-campus as opposed to off-campus I'd love to hear from you. I'd also like to find some contact names and numbers to call folks up to ask them how it works in their orgs. Any suggestions much appreciated. --Thom From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Jan 15 14:21:27 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Free mailing list services Message-ID: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> > >Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list >services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From Julie at KCLIBRARY.ORG Fri Jan 15 15:03:40 1999 From: Julie at KCLIBRARY.ORG (Julie (Julie James)) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] library technology planning Message-ID: <860FE1C9E172D211BD6D00105A07E0CB039F8C@heller.kcpl.lib.mo.us> Our (revised) technology plan is up: http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us/kcpl/techplan.htm -=- Julie James Information Technology Librarian Kansas City Public Library 816/701-3461 http://www.kclibrary.org julie@kclibrary.org On Friday, January 15, 1999 9:13 AM, K. Halcrow [SMTP:khalcrow@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > We are in a planning process and I am looking for resources, other > plans, etc. Any suggestions would be welcome! Please reply to me > directly and I will summarize for the list if there is an interest. > Kate Halcrow > khalcrow@ix.netcom.com From his at virtuallibrarian.com Fri Jan 15 15:25:51 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (HIS) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Internet Training Programs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990115152543.0068eb5c@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hi, I conduct a lecture here called "Online After Dark" each month. For a list of the topics we've used please feel free to visit some of the following: Privacy Online - NOT www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/compromised.html Competitive Intelligence (Business research) www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/ci.html Finding Financial Aid for Students http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/englewood/oad/finaid.html Joining a Mailing List http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/mailinglists.html Black History Month Related Sites http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/englewood/oad/bh.html Hope that helps. Cynthia At 07:56 AM 1/15/99 -0800, MO River Regional Library wrote: >Hello, > > Our library offers a monthly Internet training session on a new topic each month, as well as a basic Internet training course for the public. Some of the past titles of the sessions have been: >Finding Scholarship Information on the Internet >Investment Basics >Kids Online >Kids Resources >Travel >Finding Healthcare Information on the Internet >Genealogy (our most popular topic yet) >Shopping Online >And so on... > We are doing a session on finding tax info on the 'net this month, but I'm at a loss for what to present in the coming months. Has anyone out there been doing public information sessions like this and if so, what were some popular topics that you have presented? Any help will be appreciated!! > >Robin Hastings >Computer Services Assistant >Missouri River Regional Library >ICQ #28391523 >573-634-6064 x242 > > > > From danforth at tiac.net Fri Jan 15 15:55:34 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Free mailing list services In-Reply-To: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990115155534.009be8e0@sunspot.tiac.net> I use them to have a mail list for all the Girl Scout leaders in my town. The list was VERY easy to set up and manage, and my leaders have found it very easy to join and post, either through email or the web interface. My $.02 worth. Isabel At 11:22 AM 1/15/99 -0800, Robert Sullivan wrote: >> > >>Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list >>services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. > >I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list >services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about >e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made >me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using >them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? > >Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu >Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From u1019306 at warwick.net Fri Jan 15 16:05:17 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Free mailing list services References: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> Message-ID: <369FAD8D.402BC7BB@warwick.net> Listbot (http://www.listbot.com) is a great free list service too. It is very flexible and permits multiple lists (moderated/ unmoderated). I use it for several sites. If anyone's looking for something more along the lines of a message board, check out http://www.InsideTheWeb.com Deja News (http://www.dejanews.com) also allows users to establish their own forums, although some users may consider its implementation not as accessible and manageable as other free services recently mentioned on Web4Lib. R. Tiess rjtiess@warwick.net Robert Sullivan wrote: > > > > > >Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list > >services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. > > I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list > services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about > e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made > me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using > them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? > > Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From khalcrow at ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 15 21:46:47 1999 From: khalcrow at ix.netcom.com (K. Halcrow) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Library Technology Planning : Summary of Results to date Message-ID: <369FFD97.F2A12785@ix.netcom.com> I've posted the responses to my website: From sean at durak.org Sat Jan 16 01:22:48 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: hiring a consultant ... slightly related References: Message-ID: <36A03038.5123508@durak.org> thom wrote: > This is mostly for any college and university folks. I trying to find out > who designs the websites and presence for colleges and universities. I > have been having a running battle with a university group at Indiana who > wants to go with an outside group to design their website. My argument is > that the better skills are actually on campus with students and that the > university should invest back into their students and provide paid > internships which will enable the students to get even better jobs when > they graduate. The university is also a much more complex technological > environment than any place off campus. web development may be thought of in 5 areas of responsibility: 1. planning (defining goals and strategy for your w3) 2. design (visual design and info architecture to meet goals) 3. content (author/write/edit to achieve goals with audience, incl html) 4. programming (interactive application development, IF needed) 5. system administration (maintain underlying servers, hardware, net) i would be very curious to know who out there employs students in their w3, in which of the above areas (if the model fits), > Any suggestions much appreciated. if you have big budget, no deadlines, library and design students, and lots of time to train on-the-job, and dedicated server(s), go with the students. if you have small budget, tight deadline, specific business objective, and servers that may contain faculty or administrative files -- you may prefer to outsource the project(s) on an ongoing basis. in my academic web-work [uc san diego mathematics (1994), uc san diego muir college (1995), medicine meets virtual reality conference (1995-96), lab for biological informatics and theoretical medicine (1995-96)], `web budget' was not heard of, timeframes very short, dedicated workspace and hardware lacking -- conditions that make it difficult to bring students on board no matter how much you want. i am guessing that those conditions have changed? in the world of commercial w3 design and development (http://interactivate.com/portfolio.html) i made an annual effort to recruit student interns with mixed results. you can find me posting internship ads in the usenet all the way back to 1995. we had some really nice student input over the years, and one ucla grad did a great job with the san diego zoo postcards this summer http://www.sandiegozoo.org/postcards/send.php3 but the student lifestyle, work availability, and political challenges (faculty - i don't want students working on the department web server - thats the same machine i store my grades on!) can be messy if your operation doesn't have the infrastructure to support them right. very curious to hear how others work (or do not work) with student employees and interns. -- sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From lisqual at cix.co.uk Mon Jan 18 05:49:00 1999 From: lisqual at cix.co.uk (Chris Armstrong) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: International Graduate Summer School (iGSS 99) In-Reply-To: <199901181012.CAA13955@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: Full Timetable for International Graduate Summer School (iGSS 99) Released iGSS 99: Management and the Electronic Library has announced its programme and full timetable on its extensive Web Site. iGSS, now in its 27th year, is based at the Department of Information and Library Studies, University of Wales Aberystwyth and is the result of cooperation between four major library and information studies schools: Aberystwyth, the School of Information Sciences at the University of Pittsburgh, the Graduate School of Library and Information Studies at McGill University in Montreal and the School of Librarianship, University of Cape Town. Last year, iGSS covered issues relating to the Electronic Library and it was very well received: this year's programme is addressing the same themes. iGSS has always provided an opportunity for information professionals from around the world to meet and discuss current issues at the same time that they take part in a work programme which aids their continuing professional development. The 1999 school, which runs from 19 June until 15 July and has the Electronic Library as its central theme, is divided into two distinct courses. This means that students can attend for either course or for the complete Summer School. The courses cover Management (19 June to 3 July) and Collection Management (1 July to 15 July). There are also lectures on Copyright and the Internet and Business Information Resources, Case Studies, Workshops, visits to local libraries and a three-day study tour centred on The Library Association's UmbrelLA 5 conference and exhibition in Manchester. All delegates can take part in the study tour. The full programme is available on our Web Site at: . Further details or a brochure from: Joyce Wallace iGSS Administrator Department of Information and Library Studies University of Wales Aberystwyth Llanbadarn Fawr Aberystwyth SY23 3AS E-mail: zyo@aber.ac.uk From d-barkey at nwu.edu Mon Jan 18 10:15:19 1999 From: d-barkey at nwu.edu (Daniel Barkey) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: Live Demos via Net Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990118091519.035a8370@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 637 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990118/c95c1be5/attachment.bin From danforth at tiac.net Mon Jan 18 10:41:46 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Live Demos via Net In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990118091519.035a8370@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990118104146.007aae10@sunspot.tiac.net> Can the software you want to demonstrate be run from a web interface? Isabel At 07:17 AM 1/18/99 -0800, Daniel Barkey wrote: >We want to demonstrate software we're developing to other librarians who are in different locations. We envision having them pointing to a URL, being on a conference call, then watch and listen to the demo. > > >Does anybody know software that will do this? > > > > >-- > >DANIEL >C. >BARKEY d-barkey@nwu.edu > >Head, Information Systems 312.503.0421 > >Galter Health Sciences Library > >8080,0000,8080Northwestern >8080,0000,8080University > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From thom at indiana.edu Mon Jan 18 11:29:34 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Live Demos via Net In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19990118104146.007aae10@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: Might checkout freespeech.org. They may be the best streaming video info center on the web. The Christy Paxson url I sent out a week ago was a Flash experiment to move video into animated cartoon form and flash for very fast downloads. Christy started life as a video and now is a combination of digital manipulated video and goofy drawings. They don't have to be goofy but Bart likes them that way. He's attempting to do 1 a week for 26 weeks. They come out every Monday http://www.rox.com/b/christy/index1.swf and Bart is doing these himself along with taking 9 credit of classes and teaching 20 hours a week so it is doable. The other obvious choice is mBone which allows you to schedule a feed. --Thom From ptully at gettysburg.edu Mon Jan 18 12:54:05 1999 From: ptully at gettysburg.edu (Pat Tully) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: Online library tour info needed Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990118125405.010d4b58@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> Hello, We are looking into developing an online tour of our library. Most of the announcements of such tours that we have seen are by large universities; we are a small liberal arts college with about 2,200 undergraduates. Have any smaller schools developed such a site and if so, have you found it worth the amount of time it took to develop the tour and the time it takes to update it? And, for anyone who has developed an online library tour (for any kind of library of any size): - what are the pros and cons of online library tours? - how many people maintain your tour pages and how much time do they spend doing so? We would also like to look at as many tours as possible, from all kinds and sizes of libraries. If your tour is accessible off-site, could you send us your URL? Thank you, Patricia A. Tully, Head of Technical Services Box 420, Musselman Library Gettysburg College 300 N. Washington St. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17375 (717)337-7002 FAX: (717) 337-6251 From cchick at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 19:59:34 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: LLRX Update for January 15, 1999 Message-ID: <36A3D8F6.BC64712B@earthlink.net> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Cindy Chick Subject: LLRX Update for January 15, 1999 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) Size: 3827 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990118/1d743775/attachment.eml From jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us Mon Jan 18 20:20:41 1999 From: jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us (Jodie Gardner) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Graphics Program question Message-ID: I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and pictures on our web page. My questions: What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? Thanks, Jodie Gardner jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us From his at virtuallibrarian.com Mon Jan 18 20:55:13 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (Hetherington Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990118205225.0094d610@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hi. I own everything from Adobe Photoshop to L-View, and think that Paint Shop Pro by JASC (www.jasc.com) is the best product out there. It is a wonderful tool for those folks like me (creatively impaired). PSP is easy to use, inexpensive and very powerful. Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian Englewood Public, NJ At 05:20 PM 1/18/99 -0800, Jodie Gardner wrote: >I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic >designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and >pictures on our web page. My questions: > >What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? > >What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? > >Thanks, > >Jodie Gardner >jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us > > From walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Mon Jan 18 21:01:24 1999 From: walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Walter Minkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990118205225.0094d610@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Message-ID: I've used all three, & I feel there is _nothing_ better than Photoshop. If you came unwillingly from the Mac world to Windows, like I did, Paint Shop Pro is a very difficult to use, clunky program. Every time I've used it has been a struggle; Photoshop is complex, but once you learn it, it makes far more sense to this very right-brained librarian & does so much more cool stuff! 8-{)> --W On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Hetherington Information Services wrote: > Hi. > > I own everything from Adobe Photoshop to L-View, and think that Paint Shop > Pro by JASC (www.jasc.com) is the best product out there. It is a > wonderful tool for those folks like me (creatively impaired). > PSP is easy to use, inexpensive and very powerful. > > Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian > Englewood Public, NJ > > > > At 05:20 PM 1/18/99 -0800, Jodie Gardner wrote: > >I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic > >designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and > >pictures on our web page. My questions: > > > >What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? > > > >What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jodie Gardner > >jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us > > > > > > Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us ============== MCL KidsPage: http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/ From thom at indiana.edu Mon Jan 18 22:29:24 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Best graphics program for the artisticly challenged are vector draw programs like Illustrator, Freehand, Canvas, Flash, FireWorks. Vector programs allow you to draw a line and then drag it all over the place till it actually looks like something recognizable. Everything you create in a vector program stay a single selectable object which means they can always be changed easily. Paint programs are ok if you are stealing images off the web, using clip art or scanning photos but if you aren't 'artistic' it shows immediately. Freehand is probably the easiest of the lot to use. If you want great graphics you need an artist more than a program. I think Rembrandt said that great artist can make art with mud and a spoon. It is even truer on the web. --Thom From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Jan 18 22:53:03 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Working with large graphics Message-ID: <990118225303.1ece0@sals.edu> As a followup to the messages about Paint Shop Pro and PhotoShop, I have a more specific question. Is there a program which makes it particularly easy to manipulate large graphics? I'm considering how to scan some old city atlases for our local history site. At this stage, I have to think about doing it in pieces (most pages are tabloid-sized, but one atlas is much larger). I would like to take the pieces of a large image and put them back together for those users who are capable of dealing with it. The pieces might not necessarily be nicely divided. I have Paint Shop Pro 4.12 (the version included with HotDog Pro 5) and FreeHand 8 on a P300 with 64 MB RAM. I could probably get PhotoShop if that's necessary. I'm not a graphics person, so I'd like to save time by starting with the right program. Any suggestions would be appreciated. As a side question, I'm also interested in information on large format scanners (i.e., something larger than the $2500 11x17 and 12x18 models now in the mail order catalogs). I don't have the money, but I may be able to advise someone who does. :-) Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From hananc at bashan.co.il Tue Jan 19 01:09:56 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics Program question References: Message-ID: <36A421B4.35CA21DE@bashan.co.il> Photoshop. After your artists had created their masterwork, take it to Macromedia Fireworks to slice it and automatically create the HTML. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From hananc at bashan.co.il Tue Jan 19 01:05:42 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: A short story about the Internet and Books Message-ID: <36A420B6.FC3F8FA8@bashan.co.il> Last week a man comes to me at the library asking me for help. He had told me that he and friend had a bet about some fact and can I please find the facts on the Internet to help him win the bet. I searched and searched for about 10 minutes and didn't find it. Then I decided to stop searching, went to the reference library and in two minutes found the book with the answer. He assumed that ALL information can be found on the Internet. He didn't consider looking at books. Neither did I (at first) although we were in a library. And more, the bet was about a fact that HE (and I) knew was written in a specific book that every library in Israel must have at least one copy of. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From dennis at dati.com Tue Jan 19 10:38:13 1999 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <36A4A6E5.72FB@dati.com> Apologies for cross-posting. For those of you considering WinFrame or Windows Terminal Server/MetaFrame implementation, Microsoft has today announced new licensing policies for WTS. There's a lot of stuff here, so I've attempted to boil it down a bit. First, this does not affect WinFrame licensing or MetaFrame licensing as it relates to simultaneous users. History - Windows Terminal Server, M$'s foray into multi-user NT, has been criticized for being too expensive to license for large organizations, and impossible to license for Internet access. The previous licensing model required an NT workstation license per seat to access WTS, in addition to the standard NT client access license (CAL) if file and print services are involved (they almost always are - WinFrame also requires NT CALs as necessary). This means if your school has 6,000 students and you want to deliver your CD applications, for example, using WTS, you would need to purchase 6,000 NT WS licenses and potentially 6,000 NT CALs. Using WTS to permit anonoymouns access to your applications over the Internet was legally impossible. FYI, the list price of NT WS is $249, though an upgrade license is acceptable if applicable. List for an NT CAL is $40. Under the new scheme, M$ has created a new license called Terminal Server Client Access License (TSCAL). The use of a TSCAL will replace the required NT WS license. A standard NT CAL is still required as necessary. The list price of TSCAL is $109; a five pack of TSCALs and NT CALs lists for $749. NOTE: all WTS licensing is still per seat. Another new license is available, the Terminal Server Internet Connector. This license permits up to 200 concurrent anonymous users to access WTS. This license is intended strictly for users external to the organization; internal users should follow the TSCAL model. The list price for Internet Connector is $9,999. No information is available yet on academic pricing. Related links: http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/terminalserver/exec/EOMAP/pricing.asp http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/overview-TSE-licensing.asp http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/details-TSE-licensing.asp -- Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing (770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Jan 19 10:50:31 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: What to do when Web4Lib mail stops coming Message-ID: Recently I've received mail from Web4Lib subscribers who suddenly ceased to receive Web4Lib mail. This can happen due to a variety of causes, most of which are not anyone's fault. But should this happen to you in the future, the first thing to do is to resubscribe. Directions on how to do this are (as always) available at the Web4Lib Web site at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ If this does not work, then send email to me. If you want more information on all the permutations of difficulty that can be experienced, please see the "Web4Lib Subscriber's Troubleshooting Guide" at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html It isn't as boring a document as you might think. Thanks, Roy From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Tue Jan 19 10:52:38 1999 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Locking down NT Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990119095238.00940350@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> OK - We are being forced by the powers that be to move to NT Workstation for our patron machines. We are running LaunchPro from Microtest over their DiscZerver hardware. IDEALLY what I would like is to have NOTHING show up on the screen BUT the LAUNCHPRO menu. In Windows and Windows 95 this was a SIMPLE matter of changing SHELL= line. BUT NT doesn't seem to have this. I have deleted everything I can find out of profile folders but I still get a START button giving access to control settings etc. as well as icons on the screen for My Computer, Network Neighborhood etc. I NEED for obvious reasons to either eliminate these items for patron logins -- or at least disable them so that when they are clicked on NOTHING happens. I know SOMEONE out there has already fought this battle - If you won - PLEASE tell me how - Thanks Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From moe1 at cornell.edu Tue Jan 19 10:48:35 1999 From: moe1 at cornell.edu (Michael Engle) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Attaching an HTML editor to Netscape Navigator Message-ID: <4.1.19990119092318.00a175b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> I am using Netscape Navigator 4.04 for Windows and HTML Assistant to edit Web pages. I have just switched from a Mac where I had Netscape Communicator 4.05 configured to open the document I'm viewing in BBEdit using Page Source under the view menu. When I try to set the preference in the Navigator Applications menu using the values that worked on the Mac, Netscape dsiplays the the HTML document in the Netscape viewer; it does not open HTML Assistant. Do I need to switch to Communicator for Windows? What values do I enter in preferences to make Netscape sho the HTML in my editing software. Please reply directly to me, rather than to the list, and thanks in advance, Michael From fr06 at swt.edu Tue Jan 19 10:50:32 1999 From: fr06 at swt.edu (Fazia Begum Rizvi) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question Message-ID: Hrm. It depends on what the graphic designer's skill level is, and what types of graphics they will be producing. My recommendations? For an experienced graphic designer: Adobe Photoshop & Adobe Illustrator in addition to a few extras like Fractal Painter, Macromedia Flash, and a web optimizing program like Adobe ImageReady or Fireworks. For the less experienced/artistically adept: Adobe PhotoDeluxe OR Paint Shop Pro, plus Freehand. (I recommend the first for MAC users, and the second for Windows users.) Lview Pro also helps, and a web optimization program like Adobe ImageReady is also useful. There are tons of other options like Corel Draw, Canvas, 3-D graphics tools, conversion programs and stuff that adds functionality to a graphics program, like Adobe After Effects, or Kai's Power Tools. I recommend getting the Publisher's Toolbox catalog to see what's out there. The web site isn't that great yet, but you can sign up for the catalog: http://www.pubtool.com/ -Faz -------------------------------------------------- Fazia Begum Rizvi e: fr01@swt.edu University Webmaster p: 512-245-2288 Southwest Texas State University f: 512-245-3002 -------------http://www.swt.edu/------------------ http://www.io.com/~fazia fazia@io.com From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jan 19 11:34:59 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jan 19 Message-ID: <199901191634.LAA10050@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS January 19, 1999 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? 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From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Tue Jan 19 11:34:24 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Message-ID: <199901191634.RAA38098@varese.ircam.fr> Due to some articles of the list not being forwarded here, I became aware only yesterday of the responses to my initial announcement, which was rather brief. Let me make some comments. Technical, first: not all plugins work on all platforms for VRML. We suggested Cosmo's (we tried it with IE and Netscape, on Macs, PCs and SGI, and they worked), there are other ones which work too. Still, this is a technology in its infancy, as compared to many older ones, and as it happened with browsers when they first appeared, then with such technologies as Javascript and others, they didn't always work at first on most platforms. Similarly, some very useful CDRoms are available only for Macs or only for PCs, should we then dismiss them? American videos use the NTSC format, not available here, should we not try to have VCRs with those standards so as to view them in our libraries? So yes, I am sorry, this will probably work for now only for some platforms with some software, will not work on others. Is this still a reason to dismiss the whole experiment, or else an encouragement to have those technologies be made more widely available? Besides, this is not the only interface to our catalog nor a replacement to existing ones, it is an additional one, for those who can use it. We primarily provide access via forms, classification scheme (call numbers) as well as 2D floor plans. We tend to think there is not a unique way that patrons should be forced to use so as to access the collections. Locally, they can avoid computers altogether and browse the real shelves, if they so want. One reason why we created this interface was to provide people away from the library with a similar ability to "browse" the shelves, since looking at books by proximity is also a way of finding interesting material, much as one reads an article in a newspaper and then sees an interesting article next column (one of the Princeton libraries had, several years ago, an online interface to the scanned card catalog, which was _very_ interesting, contents-wise).. As Linda Wood Hyman writes, interfaces evolve. Sure, telnet OPACs are fine, but should we stick only to them? Web forms are fine, but should we not try to provide other, more visual, additional interfaces for people who do NOT like so much to search in databases by keywords? Now to the meat. We are going to use this technology to present the online digitized material we have through 3D models of contemporary music (we are a music library). The model, this time, will not be a real, physical space (the library as it is) but a "virtual" construction (by musicologists) of selected domains of contemporary music, so as to allow for an easier approach of this domain for people who can't always deal just with abstract concepts. This particular technology will allow for direct links with the online catalog as well as with the online digitized documents (the latter, for copyright reasons, are available only on site). We are also going to integrate this with other readly available technologies, such as RealNetworks' RealAudio and SMIL, through which we also built integrated online presentations of score-following (music listening with display of the score on the screen with the pages or parts thereof appearing in sync with the music). Yes, all this material is already available through more traditional means. But this type of interface is meant to be used as an educational tool, to provide visual means of grouping, clustering, "data" of various types, with multidimensional presentation, using ready-made technology which seems in line with the Web. An online CDROM if you like. This is then the gist of this project. Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/ From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us Tue Jan 19 11:38:31 1999 From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Attaching an HTML editor to Netscape Navigator References: <4.1.19990119092318.00a175b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <36A4B506.D0F1D5CA@opac.osl.state.or.us> I believe that starting with Netscape 4.x for Windows, you do not have the option to specify an editor or "view source" application as you did in versions 3.x. It does work in the current version of Macintosh. However, for Windows, you must use the built in viewer for Netscape. You can use CTRL-C and CTRL-V to copy and paste into a document, or save the entire file to disk and then open in your chosen HTML editor. It's really too bad we no longer have the option. Christopher Adams Oregon State Library Michael Engle wrote: > I am using Netscape Navigator 4.04 for Windows and HTML Assistant to edit > Web pages. I have just switched from a Mac where I had Netscape > Communicator 4.05 configured to open the document I'm viewing in BBEdit > using Page Source under the view menu. When I try to set the preference in > the Navigator Applications menu using the values that worked on the Mac, > Netscape dsiplays the the HTML document in the Netscape viewer; it does not > open HTML Assistant. Do I need to switch to Communicator for Windows? > What values do I enter in preferences to make Netscape sho the HTML in my > editing software. > > Please reply directly to me, rather than to the list, and thanks in advance, > > Michael From mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us Tue Jan 19 11:59:43 1999 From: mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us (Mike Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990119165943.0068b87c@nbpl.lib.tx.us> And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? Mike Mitchell Tech Services Librarian/System Administrator Dittlinger Memorial Library New Braunfels, TX mdm@nbpl.lib.tx.us At 07:41 AM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >Apologies for cross-posting. > >For those of you considering WinFrame or Windows Terminal >Server/MetaFrame implementation, Microsoft has today announced new >licensing policies for WTS [... large snip] The list >price for Internet Connector is $9,999. > >No information is available yet on academic pricing. > >Related links: >http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/terminalserver/exec/EOMAP/pricing.asp >http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/overview-TSE-licensing.asp >http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/details-TSE-licensing.asp > >-- >Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com >Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com >CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing >(770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 > From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Tue Jan 19 12:09:19 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Blocking Email, Chat, and Game sites Message-ID: <199901191709.SAA40320@varese.ircam.fr> The browser we use on all our public terminals (as I once wrote here, on 7/26/97, the text is in the archives, available directly as http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9707/0712.html, and more detailed as http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9708/0231.html; we use a newer version now) is tailored to allow for filtering of sites and/or protocols (besides other security features mentioned in these two articles). So, for instance, all (or selected) "mailto:" URLs can be disabled, telnet may be allowed for some sites and not to others, etc. The configuration allows for either not allowing URLs (e.g., allow all sites except selected ones) or allowing selective URLs (allow only selected sites). The choices are then a matter of policy. Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/ IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou Paris (France) From mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us Tue Jan 19 12:19:36 1999 From: mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us (Mary Hackett) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Software Solution, delete short url list -Netscape- Message-ID: <36A4BEA8.57D7C323@co.montgomery.tx.us> Another way is to use Cover Your Tracks from FatFree Software. They have a version for libraries that runs automatically each time Netscape 3.x or 4.x is started. It can delete the history, cache, cookies, recent documents, etc. plus restore preferences (like your "home" site etc.) and your bookmarks. The program costs $10 a copy and is well worth every penny! Contact Jonathan Lansel at http://www.ffsoftware.com. You can also download a