From sean at durak.org Sun Jan 3 10:50:51 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: module for Netscape Roaming Access (mod_roaming) Message-ID: <368F91DB.40784659@durak.org> i bumped into this module for apache web servers today, which allows you to serve Netscape Communicator 4.5 user preferences, bookmarks, address books, cookies, all that personal stuff -- to users as the switch computers around your LAN or around the net. http://www.xs4all.nl/~vincentp/software/mod_roaming.html happy new year :-) -- sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From ladyhawk at well.com Sun Jan 3 14:59:43 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: ARL; Transforming Libraries/Disabilities Message-ID: <199901032001.MAA28572@smtp.well.com> January 3, 1999 Dear colleagues and friends, Happy new year! I am about to embark on a six- week project for the Association of Research Libraries, writing another in their ?Transforming Libraries? series. This one focuses on service to people with disabilities. ?Transforming Libraries? attempts to take a snapshot of where academic libraries are at a particular point in time: in this one, we are trying to come to grips with a number of questions about assistive technology. We want to know: what kinds of equipment are college and university libraries using for their computer setups and screens? Are they designing equipment themselves? What kinds of vendors are they using? How are they locating specialized equipment? How are they getting funding for these specialized needs? Are they addressing all kinds of needs, or are they prioritizing based on specific needs on their own campus? Where and how are they getting information about their specific needs? Are they working with groups on campus? How are they letting people know what special arrangements are or can be made available? I would be interested in comments in response to these questions and others; and I am particularly interested in interviewing librarians who are responding to these kinds of questions on their own campuses. I would also like, if possible, to interview students with disabilities who are using their college libraries and finding them responsive to their particular needs. These interviews can be conducted via e-mail or telephone. I will also be interviewing people at the American Library Association Midwinter meeting in Philadelphia Jan 29-Feb 3, 1999. I am building on some basic information available from a 95-96 ARL survey (Results of the entire survey are at The survey is described briefly at and you can get the raw data there as well). My own credentials and c.v. are available on my web site, see URL in my sig file, below. Please feel free to post this message to other lists where there may be interest. Thanks very much. Best, GraceAnne GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial and Web Consulting 350 E. 236th St. Bronx, NY 10470-2104 voice: 718/994-7794 * fax: 718/994-9851 E-mail ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html From danny at calafia.com Mon Jan 4 00:18:16 1999 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:41 2005 Subject: What do you want from search engines? Message-ID: <199901040519.WAA08052@calafia.com> Hello Everyone-- I'm working on a piece about what professional researchers would like to see from search engines, in terms of new features or functionality. Please feel free to forward any wish lists or comments my way -- they would be appreciated it. You can email me at danny@calafia.com. It would help if you could start the subject of your message with "WISH." thanks! danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From dublinpub at lycosmail.com Mon Jan 4 10:13:04 1999 From: dublinpub at lycosmail.com (dublinpub@lycosmail.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: 56K Line Modem Question Message-ID: <99010410130402.24501@weba7.iname.net> Dear Web4Libbers, Sorry to bother you with this trivial question, but several months ago someone here posted information about how to check if your current analog phone line can support a 56K modem dial-in connection. Would someone be so kind as to repost this information? I searched the archives but could not find the posting I was looking for. I believe it involved a toll-free telephone number which could be used to verify if the local phone line can support 56K modems. Thanks for any information that you can provide. Brenda Tyler ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From sdk at mindspring.com Mon Jan 4 10:42:02 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 56K Line Modem Question Message-ID: <001001be37f8$c6792dc0$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> Here ya go... http://www.3com.com/56k/need4_56k/linetest.html Shirl Kennedy (who is lucky if she can wring 24K out of GTE's dixie cups and string around here) Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ -----Original Message----- From: dublinpub@lycosmail.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] 56K Line Modem Question >Dear Web4Libbers, >Sorry to bother you with this trivial question, but several months ago someone here posted information about how to check if your current analog phone line can support a 56K modem dial-in connection. Would someone be so kind as to repost this information? I searched the archives but could not find the posting I was looking for. I believe it involved a toll-free telephone number which could be used to verify if the local phone line can support 56K modems. >Thanks for any information that you can provide. >Brenda Tyler > >----------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com From fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net Mon Jan 4 11:16:20 1999 From: fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net (Donovan Lambright) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links Message-ID: <01BE37CB.48C659C0@COMPSERVICES> We have had this problem with NT workstations and Navigator 4.03. Rebooting is the only solution we've found. We haven't had it happen more than once a day on any given workstation, though. In fact, the problem happens pretty sporadically-not often enough to be considered more than a nuisance. If there is any pattern, I haven't spotted it. Since rebooting fixes the problem, I would speculate that it's related to NT's use of RAM. That's just a guess. I don't think it's a Netscape problem, because we have observed the same behavior in NT's Calculator applet. All of a sudden, the buttons don't work and rebooting fixes it. I will say, however, that I haven't seen Calculator do it nearly as often as Netscape. Those are the only two applications I've seen this happen with. D Donovan Lambright Computer Services Supervisor Missouri River Regional Library PO Box 89 Jefferson City, MO 65102 (573)634-2464 From vladislav at davidzon.com Mon Jan 4 11:31:17 1999 From: vladislav at davidzon.com (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links Message-ID: <011501be37ff$a80ff9c0$ccea48cf@highlander> When we first upgraded to 4.03 when it came out, I had the same darned problem. For some reason, Communicator was opening a second copy of itself. Look at ALT+TAB / start menu, see if a second copy is being loaded. I would not necesserily blame this little bug on Netscape or NT. Look at how the pages are coded, maybe there is something certain about the pages where the program stops responding. I do suspect that Navigator has fauly handling of target tags. Just me .02. Vladislav Davidzon http://www.davidzon.com -----Original Message----- From: Donovan Lambright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:17 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links >We have had this problem with NT workstations and Navigator 4.03. Rebooting is the only solution we've found. We haven't had it happen more than once a day on any given workstation, though. In fact, the problem happens pretty sporadically-not often enough to be considered more than a nuisance. If there is any pattern, I haven't spotted it. > >Since rebooting fixes the problem, I would speculate that it's related to NT's use of RAM. That's just a guess. I don't think it's a Netscape problem, because we have observed the same behavior in NT's Calculator applet. All of a sudden, the buttons don't work and rebooting fixes it. I will say, however, that I haven't seen Calculator do it nearly as often as Netscape. Those are the only two applications I've seen this happen with. > >D > >Donovan Lambright >Computer Services Supervisor >Missouri River Regional Library >PO Box 89 >Jefferson City, MO 65102 >(573)634-2464 > > From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Jan 4 21:30:19 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Lynx Links Message-ID: <990104213019.74fc@sals.edu> I have occasionally seen questions about finding sites which work well with text browsers. This latest posting on the Newjour (electronic journals) list looks like a good source. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org --------------------------------------------- Vance Bell wrote: From: vbell@dept.english.upenn.edu (Vance Bell) Subject: Lynx Links Digest Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:33:34 -0500 (EST) Lynx Links Digest http://members.tripod.com/~lynxlinks/ Lynx Links is the email digest you've been waiting for. Lynx Links reviews internet resources that are Lynx friendly, useful, and fun! There are a lot of websites out there, chock full of frames, imagemaps, badly made forms, and poorly formatted tables. They will work, usually, with those "other" browsers. But trying to use them with Lynx is well-nigh impossible! Lynx is forgiving, but it cannot correct HTML errors for you. Subscribe to Lynx Links, and receive reviews on a variety of useful, friendly, and fun internet sites. We review websites, newsgroups, discussion lists, gopher resources, shareware/freeware, web-boards, MUDs, and anything else that catches our reviewers' eyes. Back Issues: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~spratz/lynxlinks/archives/ SUBSCRIBE: by sending a blank message to: lynxlinks-subscribe@rtfm.ml.org UNSUBSCRIBE: by sending a blank message to: lynxlinks-unsubscribe@rtfm.ml.org Contact: lynxlinks-owner@rtfm.ml.org From danforth at tiac.net Mon Jan 4 21:50:19 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: L.O.S.T. - Online Workshop - Home Schooling and Libraries Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990104215019.009c0d80@sunspot.tiac.net> ********************************** ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FROM L.O.S.T. Tips and Suggestions for Meeting the Needs of Home schoolers L.O.S.T. (Librarian's On-line Support Team) is sponsoring another free on-line professional development workshop available to library personnel with Internet capability. Tips and Suggestions for Meeting the Needs of Home schoolers will be presented by Diane Gaylor. The number of families who home school has steadily increased in recent years. By the turn of the century, an estimated 5% of school aged children will be taught at home. What are librarians doing to reach this population? Is it working? What do home schoolers want? Learn how to be part of the solution! Diane Gaylor earned her BA Liberal Studies-Elementary Education from Christ College Irvine and her MLIS from San Jose State University. Since 1986, she has worked at Christ College Irvine, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, and Concordia University. She was a library office manager and reference librarian before becoming Director of Library Services at Concordia in 1997. This session will be offered on Tuesday, Jan 26, 1999 at 1 PM ET, and will be repeated at 7 PM ET. Librarians need not leave their homes or worksites to take part in the seminar. Participants will log onto Diversity University's live "virtual campus" environment from their home or work computer. Organizers anticipate the workshop will last about an hour and a half. Each workshop is limited to twenty people and pre-registration is necessary. Email Isabel Danforth at danforth@tiac.net by January 15th to register and obtain a conference information and direction packet. The Librarian's On-Line Support Team (L.O.S.T.) is a an organization that is coordinated by a steering committee consisting of academic, research, public, and K- 12 librarians from wide-spread locations. The group provides space for librarians, many of whom are being thrust into cyberspace with minimal training and support, to get both formal and informal instruction and mentoring. Librarians with various levels of background can meet to share ideas and experiences informally. The group is currently based at the virtual campus of Diversity University, a cyberspace location that offers both real-time and delayed interaction via computer and currently supports over 4,000 educators and students world-wide. Information about L.O.S.T. and its programs can be found at: http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sar_kuper at sals.edu Tue Jan 5 13:38:54 1999 From: sar_kuper at sals.edu (Josh Kuperman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov and navigator 4.08 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990105133854.007d3e60@mailx.netheaven.com> Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their is some difference in the newer browsers. Some of our users (oops, sorry I meant patrons - just a throwback to when I worked as a systems administrator) have pointed out to me a few things that work in 4.05 that don't work in 4.08. They all involve websites that use Java, but I've no idea exactly what the problem is. -- Josh Kuperman Saratoga Springs Public Library sar_kuper@sals.edu 49 Henry St 518.584.7860x211 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 http://www.library.saratoga.ny.us From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Tue Jan 5 14:33:17 1999 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna M Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Submitting websites to search engines Message-ID: <000d01be38e2$3ed58ea0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> I'm interested in hearing about how other people have fared in submitting or resubmitting urls to the major search engines and directories. Four weeks ago, on 16 December, we relaunched our website http://www.opus.co.nz/ , and I realise that the holidays have intervened, but when I search for "opus international consultants" on AltaVista, Infoseek, Hotbot, Lycos and Yahoo it is still not coming up. In some instances the search results include an earlier url http://www.wcs.co.nz/ created before the company changed its name from Works Consultancy Services, although all search engines were advised of the change in April 1997. Even more curious is this response from the search on AltaVista: >>1. Opus International Consultants Home Page New Zealand's largest integrated architectural, engineering, planning, facilities management and property consultancy URL: www.wcs.co.nz/ Last modified 16-Dec-98 - page size 9K - in English >> Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with a slightly later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at our end?? Should I allow more time?? Any suggestions or ideas would be welcome. Thanks, Dianna Roberts ******************************************************************** Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS (The Library & Information Service) Opus International Consultants, P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ******************************************************************** From wcj1 at cornell.edu Tue Jan 5 15:00:54 1999 From: wcj1 at cornell.edu (Bill Jenkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] http://www.fafsa.ed.gov and navigator 4.08 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990105133854.007d3e60@mailx.netheaven.com> Message-ID: At 12:46 PM -0600 1/5/99, Josh Kuperman wrote: >Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for >financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator >later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site >and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know >what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to >update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their >is some difference in the newer browsers. FAFSA tests every broswer version as they come out... My opinion is that if they could change the FAFSA website to another layout that would just work with all broswers, but that would take development on their end... BillJ ~~~~~ Bill Jenkins wcj1@cornell.edu <-permanent address wcj1@uiuc.edu Graduate School of Library and Information Science, Univ. of Illinois From doering at mail.uwlax.edu Tue Jan 5 15:20:54 1999 From: doering at mail.uwlax.edu (William Doering) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Periodicals Librarian vacancy - Wisconsin Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990105142054.006cd324@mail.uwlax.edu> POSITION VACANCY Position Title: Periodicals Librarian Position Description: Coordinate daily activities of the periodicals department. Responsible for collection development activities related to the periodicals collection. Assist in reference services, bibliographic instruction, and monographic collection development in assigned subjects. Participate in collegial governance and campus and professional activities. Qualifications: Qualifications required: ALA-accredited MLS, a second master's degree required for tenure; minimum three years professional library experience and strong communications skills. Qualifications preferred: supervisory experience; experience within a periodicals unit; experience with electronic access to periodicals and periodicals subsystems. Salary: $33,000-37,000 depending on experience. 9-month tenure track position. Starting Date: Starting August 30th, 1999 with possible partial summer appointment. Location: La Crosse is famous for its exceptional natural beauty. The city (population 51,000) is located on the east bank of the Mississippi River below towering bluffs. Abundant water and woodlands provide year-round recreation sites for skiing, hunting, camping, and other outdoor activities. La Crosse is also home to two other colleges, a symphony orchestra, excellent theatrical and cultural events, and superb health care facilities. The University: The University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, founded in 1909, is a public institution governed by the Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin system. With a faculty and staff of more than 450, UW-L serves approximately 9,000 students from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, and 32 other states and 28 other countries. The 119-acre campus is located within easy walking distance of downtown La Crosse in a residential section of the city. Application procedure: Send letter of application, resume, and the names of three references by March 1, 1999 to Randy Hoelzen, Chair, Library Department, Murphy Library, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, 1631 Pine St., La Crosse, WI 54601. UW-La Crosse is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. Women, persons of color, and individuals with a disability are encouraged to apply. If you have a special need/accommodation to aid your participation in our hiring process please contact the person above to make appropriate arrangements. Under Wisconsin Statutes, we are required to provide a list of nominees and applicants. A written request can exclude one from this list. Persons agreeing to be final candidates (to be interviewed) will have their identities revealed as final candidates. William Doering Integrated Systems Librarian Murphy Library University of Wisconsin - La Crosse 1631 Pine St. La Crosse, WI 54601 (608)785-8399 fax (608)836-8349 doering@mail.uwlax.edu From janicem at camden.lib.nj.us Tue Jan 5 16:55:59 1999 From: janicem at camden.lib.nj.us (Janice Harding Masud) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: NT Training Message-ID: <000301be38f6$2e6a9600$c801050a@Janicem.camden.lib.nj.us> Greetings I posted this question once before but received no response so I thought I would try again. Our Technology Committee has been looking for a concise Windows NT class to offer the librarians in our regional cooperative but have been unsuccessful. Have any of you attended a one day class that you found helpful? If so, who taught the class and what was the format? I?ll be happy to summarize for the list. Thanks in advance. Janice Harding Masud Supervisor, Automation Services janicem@camden.lib.nj.us From marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au Tue Jan 5 17:06:04 1999 From: marwil at onkaparinga.sa.gov.au (Marty Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: CHAT LINE ACCESS IN PUBLIC LIBRARIES Message-ID: Hoping not to lead into the (urk) FILTERING discussion, I want to get an idea of the general consensus on allowing chat line access to public library patrons. I have a couple of reasons for this Firstly we have patrons who are abusing the free internet access we offer by persistent use of chat lines of an apparently pornographic nature. It is much more difficult to identify or police the 'no porn' policy when the offending material is in the form of text and not images - regardless of how the PC's are located. Secondly we have recently been alerted by a 'neighbourhood watch' group to a case of a (US) law enforcer who established himself as a 14yo on a popular chat service and through subtle questioning found the address of a 'real' 14yo female. On identifying his plot to the girls parents they were shocked to know what their daughter had been discussing. Raises the question of whether parents signing authorisation for their under 18 to use the net know what they are indeed signing. So - does anyone restrict / disallow access to chat lines or handle this issue in any way? Or is it another service we offer 'warts and all' in the interests of human (or in the US case constitutional) rights? Cheers Marty Williams Team Leader Programs and Marketing City of Onkaparinga Libraries http://www.plain.sa.gov.au/~cool Tel: 83840732 Mob: 0416 102507 Fax: 83821232 marwil@onkaparinga.sa.gov.au From jul at oclc.org Tue Jan 5 17:07:49 1999 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: Adjunct Faculty Opportunities Message-ID: [Cross-posted to several relevant lists. Please redistribute as appropriate. --Erik] The OCLC Institute seeks highly motivated and talented individuals who wish to associate with the OCLC Institute as Adjunct Faculty. Now entering its second year of full-scale operations, the OCLC Institute is continuing to grow rapidly. Our growth plans include: * Growing our catalog of courses * Expanding the number of OCLC Institute events * Extending our geographical reach globally You can be a part of this mission-oriented expansion if you: * Possess subject or technical expertise in an area of interest to the OCLC Institute * Have demonstrated presentation skills and experience * Feel a strong dedication to ongoing education and knowledge exchange * Share a future vision for knowledge management and want to contribute actively to its realization * Desire opportunities for personal and professional growth For qualified professionals the OCLC Institute offers: * Competitive pay * Expenses paid * Flexible schedule of events * Ongoing support and development * A chance to make a difference Adjunct Faculty positions are contractual, and remuneration depends upon the nature of your contribution and services rendered. To explore Adjunct Faculty opportunities further, please contact Erik Jul, Associate Director, OCLC Institute, at jul@oclc.org or 1-800-848-5878, ext. 4364. In addition, I will be at ALA Midwinter and would be happy to meet with you informally to discuss Adjunct Faculty opportunities. I will be in the OCLC Red Suite, Philadelphia Marriott, on Saturday, January 30, from 1:00-2:00 p.m., and again on Sunday, January 31, from 11:00 a.m. to noon. (Check with the hotel's front desk for the room number of the OCLC Red Suite.) Simply drop by at any time during those hours. OCLC is an equal opportunity employer. We maintain a strong ongoing commitment to equal opportunity and affirmative action, and we seek to sustain a diverse workplace. Yours truly, --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute From lknight at vms1.cc.uop.edu Tue Jan 5 18:05:01 1999 From: lknight at vms1.cc.uop.edu (Lorrie knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: user transactions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990105150501.006997f0@vms1.cc.uop.edu> Hello: Our web based products are deployed on computers along with word processing, stats, etc. We would like to know what students are using and how long they are using each program. Is anyone aware of software that would log on the student to the workstation and track (anonymously of course) their computer activities? Or something similar? At minimum, we would like to know frequency and length of use of programs/databases. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From danny at calafia.com Tue Jan 5 18:55:57 1999 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Submitting websites to search engines In-Reply-To: <000d01be38e2$3ed58ea0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Message-ID: <199901052356.QAA10145@calafia.com> > Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is > still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with a slightly > later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at > our end?? Should I allow more time?? You didn't say if you actually submitted the URL of your new site. If you didn't, AltaVista and the others may not find it immediately. You should submit it via the various Add URL pages immediately. Also, your old site will also continue to be listed unless you remove it from your server or block search engines with a robots.txt file. Ideally, you should redirect traffic from the old site to the new site. FYI, your new site is listed with AltaVista. Just do this: url:opus.co.nz and you'll see your pages. The reason you don't find them when you search for "opus international consultants" is because so many pages from your old site are relevant for that term that you push your new pages down. You are also listed at Infoseek. The same url: command works there, but in your case, it is better to do site:opus.co.nz in order to filter out pages from another site with a similar URL. You and others can find more info at my site, http://searchenginewatch.com/ cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Tue Jan 5 20:11:37 1999 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna M Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines In-Reply-To: <199901052356.QAA10145@calafia.com> Message-ID: <001201be3911$828f28c0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Danny, Thanks for the info. However, the site that AltaVista and Infoseek find when I search on the url is not our newest site, but an earlier version. I did submit the site and asked to have the old (and even older) one removed but nothing has happened as yet. Perhaps they had too good a Christmas and/or New Year?! I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and wait a little longer before trying again. A reply from another Web4libber, Jim LaPaz, recounted a similar experience with their new site taking over a month to appear on major search engines. Regards, Dianna ******************************************************************** Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS (The Library & Information Service) Opus International Consultants, P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ******************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Danny Sullivan > Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 1999 13:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines > > > > Clearly they has found the new site, as evidenced by the date, but it is > > still quoting the old url. Infoseek had a similar result, with > a slightly > > later date. Maybe there is some procedure that should be carried out at > > our end?? Should I allow more time?? > > You didn't say if you actually submitted the URL of your new site. If > you didn't, AltaVista and the others may not find it immediately. You > should submit it via the various Add URL pages immediately. > > Also, your old site will also continue to be listed unless you remove it > from your server or block search engines with a robots.txt file. Ideally, > you should redirect traffic from the old site to the new site. > > FYI, your new site is listed with AltaVista. Just do this: > url:opus.co.nz > > and you'll see your pages. The reason you don't find them when you > search for "opus international consultants" is because so many pages > from your old site are relevant for that term that you push your new > pages down. > > You are also listed at Infoseek. The same url: command works there, > but in your case, it is better to do site:opus.co.nz in order to > filter out > pages from another site with a similar URL. > > You and others can find more info at my site, > http://searchenginewatch.com/ > > cheers, > danny > > ----------------------------------- > Danny Sullivan > Editor, Search Engine Watch > http://searchenginewatch.com > From beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us Tue Jan 5 21:45:45 1999 From: beckerk at pls.lib.ca.us (Ken Becker) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] NT Training In-Reply-To: <000301be38f6$2e6a9600$c801050a@Janicem.camden.lib.nj.us> Message-ID: There is a company called CompuMaster which conducts 1, 2, or 3 day on-site training programs which they say can be tailor to your needs. I recently went to one for PC upgrading & repair. I was happy with the trainer and the materials they covered/gave out. Don't know if they offer a "getting to know NT" workshop -- the closest I see listed is one "Supporting, Troubleshooting and Optimizing Win NT", which may not be what you're looking for. Still it's worth a call for info & pricing: 800-867-4340 (I assume they train nationwide; HQ is in KS and I'm in CA -- why not NJ?) Ken Becker Menlo Park Lib. Menlo Park, CA On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Janice Harding Masud wrote: > Greetings > > > I posted this question once before but received no response so I thought I > would try again. Our Technology Committee has been looking for a concise > Windows NT class to offer the librarians in our regional cooperative but > have been unsuccessful. Have any of you attended a one day class that you > found helpful? If so, who taught the class and what was the format? Ill > be happy to summarize for the list. Thanks in advance. > > Janice Harding Masud > Supervisor, Automation Services > janicem@camden.lib.nj.us > > > From cchick at earthlink.net Wed Jan 6 00:30:28 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:42 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - Jan. 4, 1999 Message-ID: <3692F4F4.C7881C27@earthlink.net> LLRX (http://www.llrx.com) is the free legal Webzine providing current, comprehensive resources for legal professionals and law librarians on research, marketing and information technology solutions. Editors: Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick. --------------------------------------------------------------- New on LLRX for January 4, 1999 Internet Usage Policies in the Workplace Labor and employment lawyer Todd Wulffson targets the broad range of liability issues related to corporate use of computers, the Internet and e-mail in his three part article. Part I of this article is a discussion of the underlying implications of technology applications to your organization. Part II is a sample Internet Acceptable Use Policy in the form of a memorandum. Part III is a sample form on the Use of Electronic Mail. Legal Technology Predictions for 1999: What to Expect on the Internet Jerry Lawson, lawyer, legal Web site publisher and author, shares a few salient predictions about how lawyers and technology will interact this coming year. Genie Tyburski's ResearchWire this month is Discoveries in Real Estate, a Web enabled tour of government resources and associated services to assist the cyberspace researcher. In Panel Panache, Marie Wallace details how a program planner may create a successful presentation format through the use of a well chosen, skilled panel. In Margaret Berkland's new Links in the News you will find: a site that provides SEC filings and financial analysis from 1994-1998; a new full-text database recently added to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Web site; Congressional Research Service Reports on the Web; a service that allows you to create a customized international maket research report; a Visual Basic training site; and for investors, a site that has links to over 8,500 investment resources covering 107 categories. On the Newsstand has links to articles on: the New York Public Library's new Web site; predictions about Internet law and policy issues for 1999; the FTC's sweeping new report on Web compliance; the Y2K race to the finish line; law suits concerning technology patents; ownership of valuable and highly desired domain names; the Social Security Administration's victory against the Y2K bug; how to find transcripts online; designing an intranet; and V.90 modems. LLRXalerts reports on the possible sale of Reed Elsevier, and the valuable Lexis-Nexis legal database. -----------------------KeyCite------------------- KeyCite sm, a powerful new citator and case-finder by West Group, integrates West-reported case law, full-text headnotes, and West's Topic and Key Numbers into a super-efficient system for finding cases on point. Find out how to revolutionize your legal research today. Visit-----> http://www.westgroup.com/keycite From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jan 8 08:07:11 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <005c01be3b07$d3ed80c0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Hanan Cohen To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:24 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? >Hi > >What you are looking for is called PERL. PERL is a script langauge. The >interpreter sits on your server, any server. You write simple programs >and call them from your web pages. Tne programs can do almost anything, >including running an executable. > The original post was a little vague, but I believe the poster wanted the ability for web pages to launch an executable *on the client* (i.e. my server sends a web page that makes your PC start up some program it already has installed). If so, the many posts in the archive about w3launch probably fit the bill. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jfgreen at pilot.msu.edu Fri Jan 8 08:47:08 1999 From: jfgreen at pilot.msu.edu (Jim Green) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <004501be3b0d$629a5e10$21010823@jfgreen.cl.msu.edu> What may be confusing you is the server versus client issue. JavaScript and VbScript typically run in the CLIENT -- that is, Netscape and Internet Explorer have built-in JavaScript interpreters that can execute JavaScript code that is embedded in an HTML format web page. What you are talking about is usually done on the web SERVER. That is, a program called myprog.exe is located on the web server machine, and an HTML format web page has a link to the program that executes it when the person viewing the web page clicks on that link. Myprog.exe then runs on the SERVER, and sends any output it produces to the client in HTML format. In the UNIX world, with which I am much more familiar, the usual way of accomplishing this is by using CGI (Common Gateway Interface) -- myprog.exe would be stored in a special directory, called cgi-bin, under my Apache web server tree, and I would just make a link to http://myserver.msu.edu/cgi-bin/myprog.exe and that would basically do it, though myprog.exe would almost certainly need to be modified to accept input coming from the HTML web page (typically HTML form input), and definitely to format its output according to CGI/HTML. Perl is probably the most popular language for writing these CGI scripts/programs, but they can be written in any language that is available on the web server machine. I'm sorry I'm not more familiar with Window web servers -- if I were I could give you a better answer. But for starters, are you running a web server on your standalone machine? I think that is going to be a requirement. It seems to me FrontPage comes with Personal Web Server, so be sure that is up and running properly. Then you have to figure out how to do server-side scripting in that environment. I believe it is possible to use CGI on a Windows web server, but I have never done it so I don't know for sure. You can even get a version of Perl for Intel machines, though I think a simple DOS batch file might also be made to work in your situation. Alternatively, Active Server Pages is a Microsoft-specific solution to investigate; it is probably worth the trouble assuming your corporate web server is Windows NT. HTH -- good luck. Jim Green Project Leader -- Library Support Services Group Michigan State University Computer Laboratory phone: (517) 355-4500 ext. 176 fax: (517)353-9847 e-mail: jfgreen@pilot.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Tony Iezzi To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:12 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? >Hello, > >I'm looking for help in working out how to write a script that accesses a >program on a stand alone computer. The script must work from inside a web >page and must activate the programs executable file. Eventually we will be >putting all of this onto a corporate web site, but for now stand alone is >fine. > > >I'm using Frontpage 98 and manual, and there's much explanation about >JavaScript and VBScript to do all sorts of fancy things on a web site, but >nothing about running a program. Maybe I'm missing something here..... > >I would be forever grateful if anyone can explain it to me in English. > >Thankyou in advance, > >Tony Iezzi >CSL Research librarian > From md1251 at mclink.it Fri Jan 8 09:34:53 1999 From: md1251 at mclink.it (Francesco Giacanelli) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Diagramming software Message-ID: <01BE3B1C.72F90CC0@net133-120.mclink.it> Dear Web4libbers, I would like to know if there are software (possibly freeware) with which to design blueprint and diagram of a web site, and which allow various annotations and comments for the single page or the entire web site (I know only NetObject Fusion). Any suggestions and comments about will be appreciated. Thanks very much in advance Francesco Giacanelli *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Francesco Giacanelli Biblioteca Italiana per i Ciechi - Centro di Documentazione Tiflologica (Italian Library for the Blind - Documentation Center on Blindness) Via della Fontanella di Borghese, 23 - 00186 Roma, Italy Tel.: +39 06 68219820 Fax: +39 06 68136227 e-mail: cdtinfo@uiciechi.it private e-mail: md1251@mclink.it *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From WSullivan at cslib.org Fri Jan 8 10:05:24 1999 From: WSullivan at cslib.org (William Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: CT Library Network - Position Announcement Message-ID: SEARCH EXTENDED CONNECTICUT STATE LIBRARY INFORMATION ARCHITECT The Connecticut State Library is seeking a highly energetic, technically knowledgeable individual with superb interpersonal skills who will work with us to develop the current statewide bibliographic database ("reQuest") into a one-stop, Web-accessible resource that is a window to the holdings of every library in Connecticut. You will work and learn in an environment that encourages innovation, creative thinking, and cross-disciplinary research. This is a high priority, high visibility project of the Connecticut Library Network (www.cslib.org/cln) serving every citizen of the state. The Information Architect will promote the awareness and use of the service throughout the state; ensure the integrity and quality control of the database; ensure compliance with contractual requirements; plan and coordinate the migration of the database from a centralized to a distributed resource; plan and coordinate training of library staff; perform ongoing systems administration/network support duties; plus other duties as required. Travel required. Qualifications: A Masters Degree in Library Science or Information Science from an ALA-accredited library school, or a Masters Degree in a field closely related to information technology and three (3) years post-graduate professional employment in a library systems environment. Salary: Starting salary $50,370 with annual increases to $61,066 plus fringe benefit package. Applications: A position description with full duties and complete qualifications is available upon request or you may visit the Connecticut State Library website at www.cslib.org/jobs.htm. This position will remain open until filled. Please submit letter of application with resume to David Peck, Human Resources/Affirmative Action Program Manager, Connecticut State Library, 231 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, CT 06106. Qualified women, minorities, individuals with disabilities, veterans and older persons are encouraged to apply. The Connecticut State Library is an EEO/AA employer. From Susan.Hopwood at vmsb.csd.mu.edu Fri Jan 8 10:37:30 1999 From: Susan.Hopwood at vmsb.csd.mu.edu (Susan Hopwood) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: position--Head of Library Systems--Milwaukee Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990108093730.006b3680@vms.csd.mu.edu> Please help us identify and recruit qualified candidates. Contact address at end of announcement. ********************************* Head of Library Systems and Automation Marquette University Libraries invites applications for the position of Head of Library Systems and Automation. Reporting to the Dean of Libraries, this senior position provides leadership in responding to patron and staff academic computing needs in a multiple library setting, including staff training and identifying, assessing, and recommending the applicability of new products and services. Marquette is in the initial planning stages for a new $50 million library, and this position will play a central role in shaping how information services will be provided in the new environment. The position calls for an ambitious, innovative, and energetic professional enthusiastic about the application of technology to traditional and new information services, flexible in dealing with changing user and institutional needs, and committed to a collegial and demanding work environment. For a full description of the position and responsibilities, see the Library Information section of the Libraries' web site. http://www.marquette.edu/library The ideal candidate will have a strong computer background, including familiarity with current information system applications, personal computer technology, and significant experience with networks and telecommunications. S/he will have strong communication and interpersonal skills, service orientation and the ability to work effectively with colleagues, faculty, and students in a dynamic, team-based environment. A master's degree in computer, information, library science, or a related field is highly desirable. Management experience is preferred. Marquette University is an independent, Catholic, Jesuit institution located on an 80-acre campus near downtown Milwaukee. The University is comprised of 15 colleges and professional programs, offering some 35 master's and 15 doctoral-level degrees, with a student population of approximately 10,500 students. The University Libraries have a strong service orientation, carried out by 29 librarians and 41 support staff. Review of applications will begin February 15. The position will remain open until filled. Salary is competitive, commensurate with qualifications and experience. Generous benefits package. Letters of application, including a resume and the names of three references, should be sent to: Dr. Nicholas Burckel, Dean of Libraries, Marquette University Libraries, P.O. Box 3141, Milwaukee WI 53201-3141. Marquette is an equal opportunity and affirmative action employer. From hagena at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Fri Jan 8 14:36:55 1999 From: hagena at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Hagen Amen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape plug-ins and helpers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why can't you just remove the actual plug-in from the plug-ins directory? I do this all the time. I keep an archive of common plug-ins, and just drag and drop. Most common ones seem to handle it just fine. Every time Netscape loads, it scans that directory and builds the list. Hagen Amen MCL Automation Services On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Kucera, Ann wrote: > According to our PC help desk, the only way to get rid of the plug ins is to > uninstall Netscape and reinstall it without the plug ins. > > Jane Neale[SMTP:nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu] asked: > > Is there a way to change from these Netscape plug-ins > > to another application or a competing plug-in? From awade at u.washington.edu Fri Jan 8 16:17:00 1999 From: awade at u.washington.edu (Alex Wade) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <001101be3b4c$3d8ff370$1c685f80@lib.washington.edu> There is also a very small run-from-server freeware option called Run_X. Quite simlar to, but simpler than, W3launch. It is available from http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-65576/ Of course, it appears that the English instructions are gone. Is there a Swede in the house? (I'll make up a cookbook if there is interest.) ---Alex -----------------=======< Alex D. Wade >=======---------------------- Distributed Computing Systems | awade@u.washington.edu 206/616.2867 Univ. of Washington Libraries | http://faculty.washington.edu/awade/ ----=======< Systems Librarian & Philosophy Librarian >=======------- >"Thomas Dowling" wrote: > >The original post was a little vague, but I believe the poster wanted the >ability for web pages to launch an executable *on the client* (i.e. my >server sends a web page that makes your PC start up some program it >already has installed). If so, the many posts in the archive about >w3launch probably fit the bill. From Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu Fri Jan 8 16:25:26 1999 From: Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu (Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR@unomail.unomaha.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Fortres Question Message-ID: <862566F3.0075AFBC.00@unomail.unomaha.edu> Was wondering if anyone using Fortres had any thoughts on this problem we've encountered: Environment: Windows95. Internet Explorer 4.0 running an in-house ActiveX control. The control is responsible for mounting and unmounting NT network shares to provide access to CD-Rom databases. After mounting the share, the control loads the client program for the particular product, runs it and un-mounts the share when the program has terminated. During the process of running the client program, the control suspends Internet Explorer until the client program has exited. Problem: After telling the control which CD-Rom product to mount, the system freezes after 10 or 15 seconds to the point where nothing happens when the start button is depressed or CTRL+ALT+DEL is attempted. The only way out is to turn off the machine's power. Is there any particular setting that must be enabled or disabled to allow the Active X program to mount & unmount shares and run programs over the network drive? Marc Davis University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, NE 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 FAX: (402) 554-3215 From tk at lms.kent.edu Fri Jan 8 16:44:51 1999 From: tk at lms.kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:43 2005 Subject: Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? Message-ID: 1-8-99 Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? The LITA Secure Systems & Services Interest Group is presenting an informal managed discussion at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia on the use of cookies and tokens for authentication. DATE: Monday 2-1-99 TIME: 9:30--11:00 am PLACE: Crowne Plaza--Declaration Room David Barber, Director, New Services Development at OhioLINK, will speak on: "The OhioLINK Authentication Project: A multi-institutional, cookie-based authentication system for local and remote resources." Leo Cronin and Stuart McLean, of Lexis-Nexis, will speak on: "Passports and Tickets: Secure Use of Cookies for Web Customer Authentication to Multiple Services" These brief presentations will be followed by a managed discussion of the topic as well as a brief business meeting of the Interest Group. Anyone interested in the topic of authentication, as well as the general activities of the Interest Group, is encouraged to attend. Bring your own experiences and opinions. Bring reports of your own local authentication projects. And, oh....bring your own milk! ----------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Head of Systems, Libraries and Media Services Kent State University, Kent, OH, U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-2962 (x. 18) tk@kent.edu 330-672-4811 (fax) ----------------------------------------------------------- From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Sat Jan 9 12:44:42 1999 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard Goerwitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? References: Message-ID: <3697958A.5216C125@goon.stg.brown.edu> Tom Klingler wrote: > > 1-8-99 > > Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? > > The LITA Secure Systems & Services Interest Group is presenting an informal > managed discussion at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia on the use of cookies > and tokens for authentication. I supposed you'll also address the question of how cookies will be used at kiosks (where you shouldn't just exit a browser, and where a cookie may live through many, many user sessions - if in fact the institution maintaining the kiosk permits cookies to be stored at all). And I hope you'll also answer the criticism that domain-based cookies, like the ones you're using, are positively the worst kind, because they cannot easily be intercepted by reverse proxies. Cookies (domain or machine-based) can't be intercepted at all by URL-rewriting systems used in many institutions, such as the UVa and Harvard. And of course, cookies have been the subject of ongoing security con- cerns, leading many people simply to turn them off. Finally, it would be useful if you would discuss, in general, why no other authentication method (browser plug-ins, reverse proxies, URL- encoded session IDs, etc.) is workable here. -- Richard Goerwitz PGP key fingerprint: C1 3E F4 23 7C 33 51 8D 3B 88 53 57 56 0D 38 A0 For more info (mail, phone, fax no.): finger richard@goon.stg.brown.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Jan 1 08:10:01 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:58 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jan 01 Message-ID: <199901011310.IAA00311@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? 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Kate Halcrow khalcrow@ix.netcom.com From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri Jan 15 10:29:48 1999 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [LONG] A Note on Internet Search Engines and Metadata Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990115102948.00b77100@nlc-bnc.ca> Here is a longish note I prepared to help guide a couple of organization's activities about this. The META tag mythology is distracting since organization's believe this will help people beat a path to their door. This is wrong. Metadata is useful, but it needs a context to make it so. Comments and criticisms are welcomed as always. -tk ------------------------------------------------------- A NOTE ON INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES AND METADATA (DRAFT: December 11, 1998) Terry Kuny email: terry.kuny@xist.com INTRODUCTION The use of metadata by Internet search engine developers has been a recurring thread in numerous metadata and library-related lists. At first glance, it seems apparent that having the Internet search engine services use metadata would be critical to uptake and successful deployment of metadata schemas. As it turns out, this is probably a wrong assertion but it is one that is frequently made. The usual refrain that stimulates this discussion is: 1. An organization or company has the following objective: "We want to make our information more accessible on the Internet." 2. The above organization or company then addresses this objective by wanting to use metadata, in the hope that it will be picked up by Internet search engines and that users will be able to access this metadata in some meaningful manner. Therefore the question put to the metadata community has been: "What efforts are being made to have search engine developers integrate metadata support into their products?" This note provides an update on the role of metadata, the future of Internet search engines, and the state of Internet information retrieval. WHAT DO SEARCH ENGINES DO WITH METADATA? None of the Internet search engines accessible on the web (i.e. Yahoo, Alta Vista, Excite, Infoseek, etc.) will actually read Dublin Core (DC) or any other metadata and do meaningful things with this information. For example, none provide structured metadata searches or appear to use the metadata to rank metadata-enabled resources differently. Some search engines use a non-standardized description metadata tag to provide a text string describing a resource in results listings. This is a weak mechanism for helping to determine search relevance and is not proven to be effective for scanning since the tags is used infrequently and/or poorly. There are no search engines that specifically exploit the advantages of structured search using any metadata scheme. WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF METADATA SUPPORT IN INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES? Will this situation change? The answer is not encouraging - at least from the perspective of those who believe that metadata support in the Internet search services is key to the success of metadata. All Internet search engines are currently under considerable scrutiny and criticism for the manner in which they provide their services. Some of the criticisms leveled against search engines include: ? Deceptive claims about coverage. ? Lack of information about how the index is constructed. ? Commercialization of results sets. ? Increased hit counts and poor relevance ranking. ? Clumsy and non-standard search syntaxes. Numerous individuals within different metadata communities and within other interested communities have been in regular communications with the major Internet search engine developers (i.e. AltaVista, Excite, Yahoo). It is notable that none of the major Internet search engine developers are participating in metadata standards work. These companies have indicated that they have no intention of providing metadata support or functionality at this time, because of the following: 1. There is no clear business case for adding metadata support. The search engine companies' commercial interest is in keeping people at their sites for as long as possible to support their commercial clients and advertisers. It is not in their business plan to build a public domain search service that provides effective results. The driving force behind the web right now, and this is true of search engines, is primarily commerce and marketing. Dog chow vendors and other companies have an interest in being seen in the first couple of screens of a results set. Dog chow vendors have the money and a commercial interest. Their interests are congruent with the search engine provider's interest in getting money to improve access to company information. The commercial interests of search engine companies are to support a paying audience, not the free riders. Internet search engines are not public goods. 2. There is a justifiable fear that metadata will be used inappropriately by users to exploit their position in search results, i.e. index spamming or "metajacking." There are a number of techniques for doing this kind of spam and there are no simple technical solutions to guard against this kind of activity. It should be noted that there are already a number of legal cases involving the misuse of "metadata" and index spamming. 3. The quality and consistency of managed collections of metadata (provided by organizations with a clear interest in reliable metadata, such as libraries, museums, government agencies, publishers, etc.) is always likely to be higher than harvested metadata of unknown provenance. More related to this below. 4. There is also reluctance on the part of developers of Intranet systems to implement metadata in their systems since the business case has not been made for them either. A general consensus has emerged that these vendors will remain uninterested until buyers put significant pressure on them to develop metadata-enabled search engines and provide meaningful metadata support tools. It is these vendors that the metadata standards community is particularly interested in getting on-board with metadata development. It should also be noted that many Internet search engines are moving toward a "portal" strategy. At the heart of this strategy is not the continuance of a generalized search index, but rather a set of niche-oriented, focused, classified and categorized information services, usually targeted at supporting e-commerce imperatives. According to an article in Science magazine in early 1998, none of the current search systems cover more than, at best, a third of publicly available web resources. It is also interesting to note that the most popular service, Yahoo, is also the one with the smallest number of resources - a very tiny fraction of the others. Why is this so? Yahoo's use of a classification system provides them with a retrieval tool that is viewed by users as better than keywords in full-text databases. It is Yahoo's success and model that other Internet search services are trying to emulate. The reality that Internet search engines are not the primary sites for metadata activity or exploitation has been recognized widely in the metadata community. In response, in Australia, Europe, and the U.S., various organizations and "portals" have developed their own metadata-enabled services. Examples include the various EC/UK subject gateway services, the Internet Scout project, work at OCLC, Australia's Government Locator Service (AGLS) and BEP (Business Entry point) service, and so forth. The IFLA Metadata has a list of many of these projects page . CHANGE IN PHILOSOPHY OF SEARCHING What is apparent to researchers in distributed indexing is that the current strategy of search engines - that is, to indiscriminately harvest whatever they can find and then do selective indexing on those contents - is an unsustainable architecture for retrieval in a billion document universe. Full-text searching on heterogeneous contents is intrinsically problematic, resulting in the retrieval of tremendous numbers of low relevance documents. Standardized metadata upon which to support structured searches in a billion document universe is similarly problematic, both because a common standard is unlikely and because even simple metadata may be inadequate for providing meaningful retrieval. There does not exist an architecture that will support effective and widespread networked resource discovery in a scalable manner. The development of a scalable, networked retrieval architecture remains a significant area of research and development. There is some expectation that standards developments such as XML/RDF will be able to address some, certainly not all, of the requirements for enhanced search and retrieval in a networked environment. The metadata community is moving away from a "catalog everything" approach to a domain-specific metadata approach. This is an appropriate, and much needed, shift in perspective, since it is widely held that generalized Internet search engines will probably remain largely ineffective in providing effective retrieval even if there was a widespread adoption of metadata. If metadata is going to work, we must give up on Alta Vista, Excite, Yahoo, etc. and develop search engines that serve our own needs (which include identifying, acquiring, selecting, describing, arranging, storing, and retrieving). Abandoning the "StarTrek" view of information retrieval ("Computer: What is the gestation period of a blue Tribble") is a much needed development. It can also be argued that this means abandoning or redirecting the "single window" metaphor that has become prevalent in various communities. A sound approach to the problems of networked resource discovery is to recognize that information retrieval is an iterative process, and that metadata can be used most effectively when it is given a particular context for its use. For example, we do not go to a library OPAC to find local pizza restaurants. Local resource description communities must work to develop effective navigation and search services that make their own information resources more accessible through the development of domain-specific, tightly scoped, niche indexes and retrieval tools that support identifiable user communities. The strategy is to think local, act local. RECOMMENDATION As a guidance document, the following recommendation may be considered as an appropriate response given the current Internet search engine environment: Organizationsshould not implement metadata based on the belief that undertaking this will somehow enhance retrieval through Internet search engines at this time. An organization may choose to implement a variety of different metadata-enabled retrieval services and functions, but these should be addressed each on their own merits and not with the assumption that they will increase visibility within the Internet search engines. Metadata implementations should have a localized context for their use and development. The answer to the question of how to make an organization's website or information resources more visible or accessible is not an issue of metadata. Improvements in making local web resources more usable and navigable can help considerably. But in the final analysis, it is organizational commitment, effective marketing and promotion, regular communications with user communities, and the provision of compelling contents and services, which will be the key determinants of success in making information accessible. From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Fri Jan 15 10:40:28 1999 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: A couple of references on metadata and search engines Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990115104028.00b62c40@nlc-bnc.ca> Hello everyone, Sorry for the longish note on this *again* but since the subject keeps coming up and the same advice seems to be bandied about, perhaps these two recent will stir the pot a bit! ;-) -tk --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Heather Tunender and Jane Ervin. "How to Succeed in Promoting Your Web Site: The Impact of Search Engine Registration on Retrieval of a World Wide Web Site" Information Technology and Libraries, September 1998. - *none* of the engines indexed the META descriptor tag (Infoseek, AltaVista, Lycos, Yahoo!, Excite), even if they said they did. - there are limits as to how deep spiders go (only Infoseek and Excite went below one level) - some search engines never seemed to pick up revisions. - YAHOO human indexers do not use or consider the META tag in their assigning of categories. The study above ran for 4 weeks and the results for pickup of key phrases was very poor. None of the search engines appeared to index a planted keyword in META after 4 weeks. TK: as an anecdotal aside, I have numerous pages on some large internationally known resources which I have used META tags on for a couple of years, and have often checked to see whether 1) they were picked up and used in any meaningful way, and 2) if they made any difference in enhancing the retrieval of said pages. The short answer is: no they are not and no they don't. 2. User Interface Engineering did web-site studies in 1998 and discovered that users looking for information on websites were less effective when they used search engines than if they had just followed links. Users found correct answers in 46% of tests BUT when they used the site search engine, the success rate dropped to 30%. When they used only links, they succeeded 53% of the time: Searching reduces success! Garbage in/garbage out: classic rule applies. Most users did not understand how search engines might distinguish between partial and whole word searches. Most users did not understand the differences between plural and singular words in their searchers. Few searchers actually read the search instructions EVEN if they were directly below the keyword search box. Misspelled words are a big problem and people don’t always know they have misspelled a word. Problems interpreting search results were common. Most users had trouble determining why a search returned particular items. Most search results don’t provide any relevancy clues (like keyword in context). Some indexers use title fields and the titles of documents were poorly described. Full-text searching is "a blunt instrument for chipping away at a large block of information." Indexes are more precise tools and good indexing is a skill. Humans are still much better at doing this than machines. Expect the development of good indexing services to become more common in the future. "Searching is a difficult problem with no solution visible on the horizon." Their recommendation: "Until the technology is equal to the challenge, we suggest that designers seriously consider not including a search engine on their sites until the technology is equal to the challenge." URL: world.std.com/~uieweb/searchart.htm TK: Obviously findings like this about the success of local search engines could be extrapolated into the larger realm of Internet search engines. --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Terry Kuny Phone: 819-776-6602 XIST Inc. / Email: terry.kuny@xist.com Global Village Research URL: http://xist.com/kuny/ Snail: Box 1141, St. B, Hull, Quebec, Canada J8X 3Y1 --------------------------------------------------------------- From fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net Fri Jan 15 10:47:13 1999 From: fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net (MO River Regional Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Internet Training Programs Message-ID: <01BE406C.0BAD8780@CDROM1> Hello, Our library offers a monthly Internet training session on a new topic each month, as well as a basic Internet training course for the public. Some of the past titles of the sessions have been: Finding Scholarship Information on the Internet Investment Basics Kids Online Kids Resources Travel Finding Healthcare Information on the Internet Genealogy (our most popular topic yet) Shopping Online And so on... We are doing a session on finding tax info on the 'net this month, but I'm at a loss for what to present in the coming months. Has anyone out there been doing public information sessions like this and if so, what were some popular topics that you have presented? Any help will be appreciated!! Robin Hastings Computer Services Assistant Missouri River Regional Library ICQ #28391523 573-634-6064 x242 From bmcdonnell at andover.edu Fri Jan 15 08:33:53 1999 From: bmcdonnell at andover.edu (Bobbie McDonnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: hiring a consultant Message-ID: <369F43C0.7755@andover.edu> web4libbers, If you are in the Boston area and have used a web site consultant to redesign a web site (preferably educational) would you please give me their name and particulars. Thanks, Bobbie McDonnell bmcdonnell@andover.edu From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Fri Jan 15 13:45:49 1999 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Free mailing list services Message-ID: <369F8CDC.D95C352E@opac.osl.state.or.us> Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. Like hotmail or juno, the advertisements aren't too obtrusive. The eGroups service also automatically creates a free searchable and browsable archive. It's incredibly easy to set up a mailing list, just takes a minute using a Web form. This may be of interest or use to list subscribers here, for possible offshoot lists, other interest areas, and even to recommend as a possible tool for library patrons/clients. -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D./Oregon State Library/perez@opac.state.or.us/503-378-4243 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ". . . designing online displays is a lot like using color crayons to write on postcards made of sandpaper." - William Horton --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From thom at indiana.edu Fri Jan 15 13:59:16 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] hiring a consultant ... slightly related In-Reply-To: <369F43C0.7755@andover.edu> Message-ID: This is mostly for any college and university folks. I trying to find out who designs the websites and presence for colleges and universities. I have been having a running battle with a university group at Indiana who wants to go with an outside group to design their website. My argument is that the better skills are actually on campus with students and that the university should invest back into their students and provide paid internships which will enable the students to get even better jobs when they graduate. The university is also a much more complex technological environment than any place off campus. So if you know that your college and/or university is designed on-campus as opposed to off-campus I'd love to hear from you. I'd also like to find some contact names and numbers to call folks up to ask them how it works in their orgs. Any suggestions much appreciated. --Thom From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Jan 15 14:21:27 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Free mailing list services Message-ID: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> > >Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list >services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From Julie at KCLIBRARY.ORG Fri Jan 15 15:03:40 1999 From: Julie at KCLIBRARY.ORG (Julie (Julie James)) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] library technology planning Message-ID: <860FE1C9E172D211BD6D00105A07E0CB039F8C@heller.kcpl.lib.mo.us> Our (revised) technology plan is up: http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us/kcpl/techplan.htm -=- Julie James Information Technology Librarian Kansas City Public Library 816/701-3461 http://www.kclibrary.org julie@kclibrary.org On Friday, January 15, 1999 9:13 AM, K. Halcrow [SMTP:khalcrow@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > We are in a planning process and I am looking for resources, other > plans, etc. Any suggestions would be welcome! Please reply to me > directly and I will summarize for the list if there is an interest. > Kate Halcrow > khalcrow@ix.netcom.com From his at virtuallibrarian.com Fri Jan 15 15:25:51 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (HIS) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Internet Training Programs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990115152543.0068eb5c@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hi, I conduct a lecture here called "Online After Dark" each month. For a list of the topics we've used please feel free to visit some of the following: Privacy Online - NOT www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/compromised.html Competitive Intelligence (Business research) www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/ci.html Finding Financial Aid for Students http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/englewood/oad/finaid.html Joining a Mailing List http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/research/mailinglists.html Black History Month Related Sites http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/englewood/oad/bh.html Hope that helps. Cynthia At 07:56 AM 1/15/99 -0800, MO River Regional Library wrote: >Hello, > > Our library offers a monthly Internet training session on a new topic each month, as well as a basic Internet training course for the public. Some of the past titles of the sessions have been: >Finding Scholarship Information on the Internet >Investment Basics >Kids Online >Kids Resources >Travel >Finding Healthcare Information on the Internet >Genealogy (our most popular topic yet) >Shopping Online >And so on... > We are doing a session on finding tax info on the 'net this month, but I'm at a loss for what to present in the coming months. Has anyone out there been doing public information sessions like this and if so, what were some popular topics that you have presented? Any help will be appreciated!! > >Robin Hastings >Computer Services Assistant >Missouri River Regional Library >ICQ #28391523 >573-634-6064 x242 > > > > From danforth at tiac.net Fri Jan 15 15:55:34 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Free mailing list services In-Reply-To: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990115155534.009be8e0@sunspot.tiac.net> I use them to have a mail list for all the Girl Scout leaders in my town. The list was VERY easy to set up and manage, and my leaders have found it very easy to join and post, either through email or the web interface. My $.02 worth. Isabel At 11:22 AM 1/15/99 -0800, Robert Sullivan wrote: >> > >>Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list >>services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. > >I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list >services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about >e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made >me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using >them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? > >Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu >Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From u1019306 at warwick.net Fri Jan 15 16:05:17 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Free mailing list services References: <990115142127.18491@sals.edu> Message-ID: <369FAD8D.402BC7BB@warwick.net> Listbot (http://www.listbot.com) is a great free list service too. It is very flexible and permits multiple lists (moderated/ unmoderated). I use it for several sites. If anyone's looking for something more along the lines of a message board, check out http://www.InsideTheWeb.com Deja News (http://www.dejanews.com) also allows users to establish their own forums, although some users may consider its implementation not as accessible and manageable as other free services recently mentioned on Web4Lib. R. Tiess rjtiess@warwick.net Robert Sullivan wrote: > > > > > >Here's an advertiser-supported service that provides free mailing list > >services, for personal, social, professional, business, or whatever. > > I've been thinking about this since I read a column about the free list > services in Windows Magazine (2/99, 29-30). My boss had just asked me about > e-mailing our calendar of events. The thought of managing a mailing list made > me recoil, but these sound fairly low-maintenance. Are any libraries using > them? Say, for a one-way announcement service? > > Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From khalcrow at ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 15 21:46:47 1999 From: khalcrow at ix.netcom.com (K. Halcrow) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: Library Technology Planning : Summary of Results to date Message-ID: <369FFD97.F2A12785@ix.netcom.com> I've posted the responses to my website: From sean at durak.org Sat Jan 16 01:22:48 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: hiring a consultant ... slightly related References: Message-ID: <36A03038.5123508@durak.org> thom wrote: > This is mostly for any college and university folks. I trying to find out > who designs the websites and presence for colleges and universities. I > have been having a running battle with a university group at Indiana who > wants to go with an outside group to design their website. My argument is > that the better skills are actually on campus with students and that the > university should invest back into their students and provide paid > internships which will enable the students to get even better jobs when > they graduate. The university is also a much more complex technological > environment than any place off campus. web development may be thought of in 5 areas of responsibility: 1. planning (defining goals and strategy for your w3) 2. design (visual design and info architecture to meet goals) 3. content (author/write/edit to achieve goals with audience, incl html) 4. programming (interactive application development, IF needed) 5. system administration (maintain underlying servers, hardware, net) i would be very curious to know who out there employs students in their w3, in which of the above areas (if the model fits), > Any suggestions much appreciated. if you have big budget, no deadlines, library and design students, and lots of time to train on-the-job, and dedicated server(s), go with the students. if you have small budget, tight deadline, specific business objective, and servers that may contain faculty or administrative files -- you may prefer to outsource the project(s) on an ongoing basis. in my academic web-work [uc san diego mathematics (1994), uc san diego muir college (1995), medicine meets virtual reality conference (1995-96), lab for biological informatics and theoretical medicine (1995-96)], `web budget' was not heard of, timeframes very short, dedicated workspace and hardware lacking -- conditions that make it difficult to bring students on board no matter how much you want. i am guessing that those conditions have changed? in the world of commercial w3 design and development (http://interactivate.com/portfolio.html) i made an annual effort to recruit student interns with mixed results. you can find me posting internship ads in the usenet all the way back to 1995. we had some really nice student input over the years, and one ucla grad did a great job with the san diego zoo postcards this summer http://www.sandiegozoo.org/postcards/send.php3 but the student lifestyle, work availability, and political challenges (faculty - i don't want students working on the department web server - thats the same machine i store my grades on!) can be messy if your operation doesn't have the infrastructure to support them right. very curious to hear how others work (or do not work) with student employees and interns. -- sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From lisqual at cix.co.uk Mon Jan 18 05:49:00 1999 From: lisqual at cix.co.uk (Chris Armstrong) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: International Graduate Summer School (iGSS 99) In-Reply-To: <199901181012.CAA13955@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: Full Timetable for International Graduate Summer School (iGSS 99) Released iGSS 99: Management and the Electronic Library has announced its programme and full timetable on its extensive Web Site. iGSS, now in its 27th year, is based at the Department of Information and Library Studies, University of Wales Aberystwyth and is the result of cooperation between four major library and information studies schools: Aberystwyth, the School of Information Sciences at the University of Pittsburgh, the Graduate School of Library and Information Studies at McGill University in Montreal and the School of Librarianship, University of Cape Town. Last year, iGSS covered issues relating to the Electronic Library and it was very well received: this year's programme is addressing the same themes. iGSS has always provided an opportunity for information professionals from around the world to meet and discuss current issues at the same time that they take part in a work programme which aids their continuing professional development. The 1999 school, which runs from 19 June until 15 July and has the Electronic Library as its central theme, is divided into two distinct courses. This means that students can attend for either course or for the complete Summer School. The courses cover Management (19 June to 3 July) and Collection Management (1 July to 15 July). There are also lectures on Copyright and the Internet and Business Information Resources, Case Studies, Workshops, visits to local libraries and a three-day study tour centred on The Library Association's UmbrelLA 5 conference and exhibition in Manchester. All delegates can take part in the study tour. The full programme is available on our Web Site at: . Further details or a brochure from: Joyce Wallace iGSS Administrator Department of Information and Library Studies University of Wales Aberystwyth Llanbadarn Fawr Aberystwyth SY23 3AS E-mail: zyo@aber.ac.uk From d-barkey at nwu.edu Mon Jan 18 10:15:19 1999 From: d-barkey at nwu.edu (Daniel Barkey) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: Live Demos via Net Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990118091519.035a8370@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 637 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990118/c95c1be5/attachment.bin From danforth at tiac.net Mon Jan 18 10:41:46 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Live Demos via Net In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990118091519.035a8370@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990118104146.007aae10@sunspot.tiac.net> Can the software you want to demonstrate be run from a web interface? Isabel At 07:17 AM 1/18/99 -0800, Daniel Barkey wrote: >We want to demonstrate software we're developing to other librarians who are in different locations. We envision having them pointing to a URL, being on a conference call, then watch and listen to the demo. > > >Does anybody know software that will do this? > > > > >-- > >DANIEL >C. >BARKEY d-barkey@nwu.edu > >Head, Information Systems 312.503.0421 > >Galter Health Sciences Library > >8080,0000,8080Northwestern >8080,0000,8080University > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From thom at indiana.edu Mon Jan 18 11:29:34 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Live Demos via Net In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19990118104146.007aae10@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: Might checkout freespeech.org. They may be the best streaming video info center on the web. The Christy Paxson url I sent out a week ago was a Flash experiment to move video into animated cartoon form and flash for very fast downloads. Christy started life as a video and now is a combination of digital manipulated video and goofy drawings. They don't have to be goofy but Bart likes them that way. He's attempting to do 1 a week for 26 weeks. They come out every Monday http://www.rox.com/b/christy/index1.swf and Bart is doing these himself along with taking 9 credit of classes and teaching 20 hours a week so it is doable. The other obvious choice is mBone which allows you to schedule a feed. --Thom From ptully at gettysburg.edu Mon Jan 18 12:54:05 1999 From: ptully at gettysburg.edu (Pat Tully) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:00 2005 Subject: Online library tour info needed Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990118125405.010d4b58@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> Hello, We are looking into developing an online tour of our library. Most of the announcements of such tours that we have seen are by large universities; we are a small liberal arts college with about 2,200 undergraduates. Have any smaller schools developed such a site and if so, have you found it worth the amount of time it took to develop the tour and the time it takes to update it? And, for anyone who has developed an online library tour (for any kind of library of any size): - what are the pros and cons of online library tours? - how many people maintain your tour pages and how much time do they spend doing so? We would also like to look at as many tours as possible, from all kinds and sizes of libraries. If your tour is accessible off-site, could you send us your URL? Thank you, Patricia A. Tully, Head of Technical Services Box 420, Musselman Library Gettysburg College 300 N. Washington St. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17375 (717)337-7002 FAX: (717) 337-6251 From cchick at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 19:59:34 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: LLRX Update for January 15, 1999 Message-ID: <36A3D8F6.BC64712B@earthlink.net> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Cindy Chick Subject: LLRX Update for January 15, 1999 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) Size: 3827 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990118/1d743775/attachment.eml From jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us Mon Jan 18 20:20:41 1999 From: jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us (Jodie Gardner) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Graphics Program question Message-ID: I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and pictures on our web page. My questions: What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? Thanks, Jodie Gardner jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us From his at virtuallibrarian.com Mon Jan 18 20:55:13 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (Hetherington Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990118205225.0094d610@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hi. I own everything from Adobe Photoshop to L-View, and think that Paint Shop Pro by JASC (www.jasc.com) is the best product out there. It is a wonderful tool for those folks like me (creatively impaired). PSP is easy to use, inexpensive and very powerful. Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian Englewood Public, NJ At 05:20 PM 1/18/99 -0800, Jodie Gardner wrote: >I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic >designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and >pictures on our web page. My questions: > >What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? > >What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? > >Thanks, > >Jodie Gardner >jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us > > From walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Mon Jan 18 21:01:24 1999 From: walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Walter Minkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990118205225.0094d610@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Message-ID: I've used all three, & I feel there is _nothing_ better than Photoshop. If you came unwillingly from the Mac world to Windows, like I did, Paint Shop Pro is a very difficult to use, clunky program. Every time I've used it has been a struggle; Photoshop is complex, but once you learn it, it makes far more sense to this very right-brained librarian & does so much more cool stuff! 8-{)> --W On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Hetherington Information Services wrote: > Hi. > > I own everything from Adobe Photoshop to L-View, and think that Paint Shop > Pro by JASC (www.jasc.com) is the best product out there. It is a > wonderful tool for those folks like me (creatively impaired). > PSP is easy to use, inexpensive and very powerful. > > Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian > Englewood Public, NJ > > > > At 05:20 PM 1/18/99 -0800, Jodie Gardner wrote: > >I am investigating what programs we might need for our library's graphic > >designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and > >pictures on our web page. My questions: > > > >What programs do your libraries use to create graphics for your web page? > > > >What do you like about these programs? What do you dislike about them? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jodie Gardner > >jgardner@vlc.lib.mi.us > > > > > > Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us ============== MCL KidsPage: http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/ From thom at indiana.edu Mon Jan 18 22:29:24 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Best graphics program for the artisticly challenged are vector draw programs like Illustrator, Freehand, Canvas, Flash, FireWorks. Vector programs allow you to draw a line and then drag it all over the place till it actually looks like something recognizable. Everything you create in a vector program stay a single selectable object which means they can always be changed easily. Paint programs are ok if you are stealing images off the web, using clip art or scanning photos but if you aren't 'artistic' it shows immediately. Freehand is probably the easiest of the lot to use. If you want great graphics you need an artist more than a program. I think Rembrandt said that great artist can make art with mud and a spoon. It is even truer on the web. --Thom From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Jan 18 22:53:03 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Working with large graphics Message-ID: <990118225303.1ece0@sals.edu> As a followup to the messages about Paint Shop Pro and PhotoShop, I have a more specific question. Is there a program which makes it particularly easy to manipulate large graphics? I'm considering how to scan some old city atlases for our local history site. At this stage, I have to think about doing it in pieces (most pages are tabloid-sized, but one atlas is much larger). I would like to take the pieces of a large image and put them back together for those users who are capable of dealing with it. The pieces might not necessarily be nicely divided. I have Paint Shop Pro 4.12 (the version included with HotDog Pro 5) and FreeHand 8 on a P300 with 64 MB RAM. I could probably get PhotoShop if that's necessary. I'm not a graphics person, so I'd like to save time by starting with the right program. Any suggestions would be appreciated. As a side question, I'm also interested in information on large format scanners (i.e., something larger than the $2500 11x17 and 12x18 models now in the mail order catalogs). I don't have the money, but I may be able to advise someone who does. :-) Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From hananc at bashan.co.il Tue Jan 19 01:09:56 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics Program question References: Message-ID: <36A421B4.35CA21DE@bashan.co.il> Photoshop. After your artists had created their masterwork, take it to Macromedia Fireworks to slice it and automatically create the HTML. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From hananc at bashan.co.il Tue Jan 19 01:05:42 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: A short story about the Internet and Books Message-ID: <36A420B6.FC3F8FA8@bashan.co.il> Last week a man comes to me at the library asking me for help. He had told me that he and friend had a bet about some fact and can I please find the facts on the Internet to help him win the bet. I searched and searched for about 10 minutes and didn't find it. Then I decided to stop searching, went to the reference library and in two minutes found the book with the answer. He assumed that ALL information can be found on the Internet. He didn't consider looking at books. Neither did I (at first) although we were in a library. And more, the bet was about a fact that HE (and I) knew was written in a specific book that every library in Israel must have at least one copy of. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From dennis at dati.com Tue Jan 19 10:38:13 1999 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <36A4A6E5.72FB@dati.com> Apologies for cross-posting. For those of you considering WinFrame or Windows Terminal Server/MetaFrame implementation, Microsoft has today announced new licensing policies for WTS. There's a lot of stuff here, so I've attempted to boil it down a bit. First, this does not affect WinFrame licensing or MetaFrame licensing as it relates to simultaneous users. History - Windows Terminal Server, M$'s foray into multi-user NT, has been criticized for being too expensive to license for large organizations, and impossible to license for Internet access. The previous licensing model required an NT workstation license per seat to access WTS, in addition to the standard NT client access license (CAL) if file and print services are involved (they almost always are - WinFrame also requires NT CALs as necessary). This means if your school has 6,000 students and you want to deliver your CD applications, for example, using WTS, you would need to purchase 6,000 NT WS licenses and potentially 6,000 NT CALs. Using WTS to permit anonoymouns access to your applications over the Internet was legally impossible. FYI, the list price of NT WS is $249, though an upgrade license is acceptable if applicable. List for an NT CAL is $40. Under the new scheme, M$ has created a new license called Terminal Server Client Access License (TSCAL). The use of a TSCAL will replace the required NT WS license. A standard NT CAL is still required as necessary. The list price of TSCAL is $109; a five pack of TSCALs and NT CALs lists for $749. NOTE: all WTS licensing is still per seat. Another new license is available, the Terminal Server Internet Connector. This license permits up to 200 concurrent anonymous users to access WTS. This license is intended strictly for users external to the organization; internal users should follow the TSCAL model. The list price for Internet Connector is $9,999. No information is available yet on academic pricing. Related links: http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/terminalserver/exec/EOMAP/pricing.asp http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/overview-TSE-licensing.asp http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/details-TSE-licensing.asp -- Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing (770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Jan 19 10:50:31 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: What to do when Web4Lib mail stops coming Message-ID: Recently I've received mail from Web4Lib subscribers who suddenly ceased to receive Web4Lib mail. This can happen due to a variety of causes, most of which are not anyone's fault. But should this happen to you in the future, the first thing to do is to resubscribe. Directions on how to do this are (as always) available at the Web4Lib Web site at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/ If this does not work, then send email to me. If you want more information on all the permutations of difficulty that can be experienced, please see the "Web4Lib Subscriber's Troubleshooting Guide" at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html It isn't as boring a document as you might think. Thanks, Roy From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Tue Jan 19 10:52:38 1999 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Locking down NT Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990119095238.00940350@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> OK - We are being forced by the powers that be to move to NT Workstation for our patron machines. We are running LaunchPro from Microtest over their DiscZerver hardware. IDEALLY what I would like is to have NOTHING show up on the screen BUT the LAUNCHPRO menu. In Windows and Windows 95 this was a SIMPLE matter of changing SHELL= line. BUT NT doesn't seem to have this. I have deleted everything I can find out of profile folders but I still get a START button giving access to control settings etc. as well as icons on the screen for My Computer, Network Neighborhood etc. I NEED for obvious reasons to either eliminate these items for patron logins -- or at least disable them so that when they are clicked on NOTHING happens. I know SOMEONE out there has already fought this battle - If you won - PLEASE tell me how - Thanks Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From moe1 at cornell.edu Tue Jan 19 10:48:35 1999 From: moe1 at cornell.edu (Michael Engle) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Attaching an HTML editor to Netscape Navigator Message-ID: <4.1.19990119092318.00a175b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> I am using Netscape Navigator 4.04 for Windows and HTML Assistant to edit Web pages. I have just switched from a Mac where I had Netscape Communicator 4.05 configured to open the document I'm viewing in BBEdit using Page Source under the view menu. When I try to set the preference in the Navigator Applications menu using the values that worked on the Mac, Netscape dsiplays the the HTML document in the Netscape viewer; it does not open HTML Assistant. Do I need to switch to Communicator for Windows? What values do I enter in preferences to make Netscape sho the HTML in my editing software. Please reply directly to me, rather than to the list, and thanks in advance, Michael From fr06 at swt.edu Tue Jan 19 10:50:32 1999 From: fr06 at swt.edu (Fazia Begum Rizvi) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Graphics Program question Message-ID: Hrm. It depends on what the graphic designer's skill level is, and what types of graphics they will be producing. My recommendations? For an experienced graphic designer: Adobe Photoshop & Adobe Illustrator in addition to a few extras like Fractal Painter, Macromedia Flash, and a web optimizing program like Adobe ImageReady or Fireworks. For the less experienced/artistically adept: Adobe PhotoDeluxe OR Paint Shop Pro, plus Freehand. (I recommend the first for MAC users, and the second for Windows users.) Lview Pro also helps, and a web optimization program like Adobe ImageReady is also useful. There are tons of other options like Corel Draw, Canvas, 3-D graphics tools, conversion programs and stuff that adds functionality to a graphics program, like Adobe After Effects, or Kai's Power Tools. I recommend getting the Publisher's Toolbox catalog to see what's out there. The web site isn't that great yet, but you can sign up for the catalog: http://www.pubtool.com/ -Faz -------------------------------------------------- Fazia Begum Rizvi e: fr01@swt.edu University Webmaster p: 512-245-2288 Southwest Texas State University f: 512-245-3002 -------------http://www.swt.edu/------------------ http://www.io.com/~fazia fazia@io.com From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Jan 19 11:34:59 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Jan 19 Message-ID: <199901191634.LAA10050@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS January 19, 1999 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? 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From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Tue Jan 19 11:34:24 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Message-ID: <199901191634.RAA38098@varese.ircam.fr> Due to some articles of the list not being forwarded here, I became aware only yesterday of the responses to my initial announcement, which was rather brief. Let me make some comments. Technical, first: not all plugins work on all platforms for VRML. We suggested Cosmo's (we tried it with IE and Netscape, on Macs, PCs and SGI, and they worked), there are other ones which work too. Still, this is a technology in its infancy, as compared to many older ones, and as it happened with browsers when they first appeared, then with such technologies as Javascript and others, they didn't always work at first on most platforms. Similarly, some very useful CDRoms are available only for Macs or only for PCs, should we then dismiss them? American videos use the NTSC format, not available here, should we not try to have VCRs with those standards so as to view them in our libraries? So yes, I am sorry, this will probably work for now only for some platforms with some software, will not work on others. Is this still a reason to dismiss the whole experiment, or else an encouragement to have those technologies be made more widely available? Besides, this is not the only interface to our catalog nor a replacement to existing ones, it is an additional one, for those who can use it. We primarily provide access via forms, classification scheme (call numbers) as well as 2D floor plans. We tend to think there is not a unique way that patrons should be forced to use so as to access the collections. Locally, they can avoid computers altogether and browse the real shelves, if they so want. One reason why we created this interface was to provide people away from the library with a similar ability to "browse" the shelves, since looking at books by proximity is also a way of finding interesting material, much as one reads an article in a newspaper and then sees an interesting article next column (one of the Princeton libraries had, several years ago, an online interface to the scanned card catalog, which was _very_ interesting, contents-wise).. As Linda Wood Hyman writes, interfaces evolve. Sure, telnet OPACs are fine, but should we stick only to them? Web forms are fine, but should we not try to provide other, more visual, additional interfaces for people who do NOT like so much to search in databases by keywords? Now to the meat. We are going to use this technology to present the online digitized material we have through 3D models of contemporary music (we are a music library). The model, this time, will not be a real, physical space (the library as it is) but a "virtual" construction (by musicologists) of selected domains of contemporary music, so as to allow for an easier approach of this domain for people who can't always deal just with abstract concepts. This particular technology will allow for direct links with the online catalog as well as with the online digitized documents (the latter, for copyright reasons, are available only on site). We are also going to integrate this with other readly available technologies, such as RealNetworks' RealAudio and SMIL, through which we also built integrated online presentations of score-following (music listening with display of the score on the screen with the pages or parts thereof appearing in sync with the music). Yes, all this material is already available through more traditional means. But this type of interface is meant to be used as an educational tool, to provide visual means of grouping, clustering, "data" of various types, with multidimensional presentation, using ready-made technology which seems in line with the Web. An online CDROM if you like. This is then the gist of this project. Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/ From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us Tue Jan 19 11:38:31 1999 From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Attaching an HTML editor to Netscape Navigator References: <4.1.19990119092318.00a175b0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <36A4B506.D0F1D5CA@opac.osl.state.or.us> I believe that starting with Netscape 4.x for Windows, you do not have the option to specify an editor or "view source" application as you did in versions 3.x. It does work in the current version of Macintosh. However, for Windows, you must use the built in viewer for Netscape. You can use CTRL-C and CTRL-V to copy and paste into a document, or save the entire file to disk and then open in your chosen HTML editor. It's really too bad we no longer have the option. Christopher Adams Oregon State Library Michael Engle wrote: > I am using Netscape Navigator 4.04 for Windows and HTML Assistant to edit > Web pages. I have just switched from a Mac where I had Netscape > Communicator 4.05 configured to open the document I'm viewing in BBEdit > using Page Source under the view menu. When I try to set the preference in > the Navigator Applications menu using the values that worked on the Mac, > Netscape dsiplays the the HTML document in the Netscape viewer; it does not > open HTML Assistant. Do I need to switch to Communicator for Windows? > What values do I enter in preferences to make Netscape sho the HTML in my > editing software. > > Please reply directly to me, rather than to the list, and thanks in advance, > > Michael From mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us Tue Jan 19 11:59:43 1999 From: mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us (Mike Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990119165943.0068b87c@nbpl.lib.tx.us> And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? Mike Mitchell Tech Services Librarian/System Administrator Dittlinger Memorial Library New Braunfels, TX mdm@nbpl.lib.tx.us At 07:41 AM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >Apologies for cross-posting. > >For those of you considering WinFrame or Windows Terminal >Server/MetaFrame implementation, Microsoft has today announced new >licensing policies for WTS [... large snip] The list >price for Internet Connector is $9,999. > >No information is available yet on academic pricing. > >Related links: >http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/terminalserver/exec/EOMAP/pricing.asp >http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/overview-TSE-licensing.asp >http://www.thinplanet.com/Opinion/details-TSE-licensing.asp > >-- >Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com >Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com >CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing >(770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 > From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Tue Jan 19 12:09:19 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Blocking Email, Chat, and Game sites Message-ID: <199901191709.SAA40320@varese.ircam.fr> The browser we use on all our public terminals (as I once wrote here, on 7/26/97, the text is in the archives, available directly as http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9707/0712.html, and more detailed as http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9708/0231.html; we use a newer version now) is tailored to allow for filtering of sites and/or protocols (besides other security features mentioned in these two articles). So, for instance, all (or selected) "mailto:" URLs can be disabled, telnet may be allowed for some sites and not to others, etc. The configuration allows for either not allowing URLs (e.g., allow all sites except selected ones) or allowing selective URLs (allow only selected sites). The choices are then a matter of policy. Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/ IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou Paris (France) From mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us Tue Jan 19 12:19:36 1999 From: mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us (Mary Hackett) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Software Solution, delete short url list -Netscape- Message-ID: <36A4BEA8.57D7C323@co.montgomery.tx.us> Another way is to use Cover Your Tracks from FatFree Software. They have a version for libraries that runs automatically each time Netscape 3.x or 4.x is started. It can delete the history, cache, cookies, recent documents, etc. plus restore preferences (like your "home" site etc.) and your bookmarks. The program costs $10 a copy and is well worth every penny! Contact Jonathan Lansel at http://www.ffsoftware.com. You can also download an evaluation copy there. From: Gary Sanford Webmaster & Head, Technology & Access Onondaga County Public Library From dennis at dati.com Tue Jan 19 12:18:41 1999 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Terminal Server Licensing References: <1.5.4.32.19990119165943.0068b87c@nbpl.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <36A4BE71.5630@dati.com> Mike Mitchell wrote: > > And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using > a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? > Please excuse my ignorance of Linux. Does it allow my DOS and Windows applications to run on the server? -- Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing (770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Tue Jan 19 12:29:28 1999 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990119112928.0099e150@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> >And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using >a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? Ahem. It's actually a free Linux installation, though I understand that it may be desirable for most users to buy the CD-ROM for $50. James From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Tue Jan 19 12:37:46 1999 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Terminal Server Licensing References: <36A4BE71.5630@dati.com> Message-ID: <36A4C2EA.84C437F8@goon.stg.brown.edu> > > And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using > > a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? > > Please excuse my ignorance of Linux. Does it allow my DOS and Windows > applications to run on the server? Don't be defensive. You're being needled in a very gentle way. Mike is just questioning the assumption that you (and the rest of us) are all simply hostages to Microsoft's arbitrary licensing changes. There are alternatives, in many cases (although some MIS managers have not caught on to this yet). Linux is one. There are others. -- Richard Goerwitz PGP key fingerprint: C1 3E F4 23 7C 33 51 8D 3B 88 53 57 56 0D 38 A0 For more info (mail, phone, fax no.): finger richard@goon.stg.brown.edu From jon at net.lut.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 12:49:42 1999 From: jon at net.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Terminal Server Licensing In-Reply-To: <36A4C2EA.84C437F8@goon.stg.brown.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Richard L. Goerwitz wrote: > > Please excuse my ignorance of Linux. Does it allow my DOS and Windows > > applications to run on the server? > > Don't be defensive. You're being needled in a very gentle way. Mike > is just questioning the assumption that you (and the rest of us) are > all simply hostages to Microsoft's arbitrary licensing changes. And yes, you can often run MS-DOS and MS-Windows programs under Linux: check the dosemu and Wine projects. Dosemu is pretty complete (I used it for a CD-ROM gateway a few years ago and even then it would run most of the CD-ROM apps we had). Wine is a little more "alpha" quality, but it will still run lots of MS-Windows applications. I used to use it to run Word very occationally when someone sent me a *.DOC or *.RTF file (I don't need to now with catdoc and rtf2html plus the fact that usually emailed Word file -> cack not worth reading IMHO). Tatty bye, Jim'll #!/usr/bin/perl -- -Whois++-client-in-6-lines-of-Perl -Beat-that-Z39.50! use IO::Socket;sub w{$f=shift;$a{$f}=1;($h,$p,$q)=split("/",$f);$s= IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr=>"$h:$p")||return;print $s "$q\r\n";while(<$s>) {next if(/^%/);if(/^# SERVER-TO-ASK/){while(<$s>){$x=$1 if/Name: (.*)\r\n$/;$y =$1 if/Port: (.*)\r\n$/;$f="$x/$y/$q";@j=(@j,$f)if(/^# END/&&!$a{$f})}}else{ print}}close($s)}@j=shift;while(@j){w(pop(@j))}# whois++.pl host/port/query From mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us Tue Jan 19 12:58:19 1999 From: mdm at nbpl.lib.tx.us (Mike Mitchell) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: New Terminal Server Licensing Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990119175819.00691f00@nbpl.lib.tx.us> Yes, to a limited extent, using the Wine software. It can also share DOS and Windows files using Samba. You can also run Linux software programs on the server from your PC. You can run diskless PCs and terminals. I feel like I'm in Forrest Gump movie (shrimp with rice, ...) so I'll stop now. MM At 09:19 AM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >Mike Mitchell wrote: >> >> And remind me again why I want spend thousands to use this rather than using >> a $50 Linux installation for the same purposes? >> > >Please excuse my ignorance of Linux. Does it allow my DOS and Windows >applications to run on the server? > >-- >Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com >Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com >CD Networking - Remote/Intranet Access - Thin Client Computing >(770)339-6554 or Toll Free (888) 432-8423 > From thom at indiana.edu Tue Jan 19 13:01:53 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] & graphics In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990119112928.0099e150@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: Macromedia has a really amazing little product available to instructors Web Design 101 This is a $19.95 package which includes paper tutorials for Flash, FireWorks, DreamWeaver and Freehand along with a CD with a 90 day save 'enabled' version of all the software on 2 CDs If you want to try out this software with really good paper support this is a steal. FreeHand is the best draw program on the market and FireWorks is like nothing else out there. Flash is in a world of its own and DreamWeaver is interesting but not tops in its area. GoLive beats out DreamWeaver. Look at: http://www.xplain.com/NetProfessional/news/98-08/980821Macromedia.html for a review and try http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/events/webdesign101/ for the package itself. --Thom From john.ober at ucop.edu Tue Jan 19 13:44:17 1999 From: john.ober at ucop.edu (John Ober) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: California Digital Library Opens Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990119104417.00813930@popserv.ucop.edu> Members of the Web4lib list may be interested in the following announcement about the public opening of the California Digital Library. Please forgive duplicate postings. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, January 19, 1999 CALIFORNIA DIGITAL LIBRARY OPENS The California Digital Library (CDL) opens its public "digital doors" January 20, 1999 by making available an integrated web gateway to digital collections, services and tools at http://www.cdlib.org. When launching CDL's organization in October 1997, University of California President Richard Atkinson described the electronic library as the beginning of "a future when our libraries, at the press of a button, can come to us, wherever we are, whenever we wish." Complementing the physical libraries on the nine campuses of the University of California system, the CDL focuses on selecting, building, managing, preserving, and providing access to shared collections of high-quality digital materials for the University and its partners. Browsing and searching tools at the website provide enhanced access to more than 2,000 electronic journals from major scholarly publishers and information providers such as the Web of Science, JSTOR, the American Chemical Society, Highwire Press, the Association for Computing Machinery, Academic Press, Elsevier, Springer, Kluwer, and many more. More than 3,000 inventories or "finding aids" for special and archival collections throughout the state are also represented, along with dozens of journal abstracting and indexing databases as well as reference databases. Through its "Directory of Collections and Services" the new CDL website provides a single point of entry for access to these collections. It complements the Melvyl? Union Catalog of UC-owned print and non-print material, as well as campus-based catalogs and websites, by directing patrons to a catalog or database search or directly to electronic journals, finding aids, and other digital material. The directory is designed to be collaboratively maintained by staff across the UC system and to allow a "local view" of available digital resources at the user's choice. Specific views, including subject-based views, can also be created for a particular "entrance" to UC shared collections. Using the CDL, a patron using a computer with access to the Internet can digitally discover and view a variety of scholarly information resources. For example, the patron could discover the latest books acquired by UC in mechanical engineering. With a few more mouse clicks, the patron could find a journal on technology and culture, and in many cases link to its full contents. Finally, the same patron in just a few seconds could view an inventory and selected digitized photos of the Golden Gate Bridge in a collection of construction photographs held by the Bancroft Library at UC Berkeley. The CDL and its partner libraries on each University of California campus are also using digital technologies to enhance sharing of the university's 30-million volume print collection. Debuting with the CDL website is "Request," a new service for UC faculty, graduate students, and staff to request material located anywhere in the nine-campus university system. Authorized users will be able to request materials with a simple click of a web "Request" button. Led by University Librarian Richard Lucier, the CDL not only operates in close collaboration with the UC campuses and their libraries -- it is often described as a "co-library" -- but also collaborates with other California universities and organizations to create and extend access to digital material to UC partners and to the public at large. The Melvyl Union Catalog, the California Periodicals database which lists 863,000 unique titles held in more than 555 libraries, and the Online Archive Of California are freely available to any visitor to the CDL. The CDL is also collaborating with the California State Library to build the Library of California, a digitally constructed library that could eventually link all of the state's public, private, school, and academic libraries -- as well as many of its museums and think tanks -- into one of the world's largest electronic information-sharing networks. "The University of California stands ready to help bring together the talents and resources of the state's colleges and universities and our public libraries with the entrepreneurial energies of the private sector to build these links for sharing information," said President Atkinson. In addition to building these shared collections and services, the CDL plans to apply digital technologies to directly support the university's faculty as they develop new ways to disseminate their scholarship. More information can be found at http://www.cdlib.org/. # # # For additional information on the CDL, please call John Ober, CDL Assistant Director for Education & Communication, (510) 987-0425; or contact him by email at John.Ober@ucop.edu. Additional information about the California Digital Library may be found at the CDL website, http://www.cdlib.org. For information about other UC technology innovations, contact Terry Colvin, Senior Public Information Representative in the UC Office of the President at (510) 987-9198; or contact him by email at terry.colvin@ucop.edu. From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Tue Jan 19 14:56:25 1999 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Graphics Program question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009c01be43e5$cbd29560$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Jodie Gardner asks "what programs we might need for our library's graphic designer in order for her to help us put great looking graphics and pictures on our web page." Asking what program your graphic designer should have is probably the wrong way to go about it. In general, the designer should probably use whatever tools she/he is already familiar with, supplemented by tools that are specific to the web but that match his/her working habits, level of expertise, hardware, etc. On the other hand, many graphic designers find that a shift to the web, like any shift to a new medium, requires a substantial amount of relearning and rethinking of artistic criteria (example: if you've never designed for the web, you probably aren't used to paying much attention to bandwidth issues; compared with traditional media, the web has made approximated color cheap but resolution and accurate color expensive or impossible.). Designing graphics for the web is at least as different from desgining for print or TV as design of monochrome newspaper cartoons is from design for full color glossy advertising. So the right way to go about it is probably to buy the graphic designer a few good books on web graphic design (we're libraries, right?), then after a while ask him/her what tools are needed. I highly recommend all of the books by Lynda Weinman. Also, note that: 1/ tools are changing constantly, with new software appearing almost every day. Learning curve is a big issue that might drive one to old standbys like photoshop or illustrator or freehand. Pay particular attention, though, to the set of tools (debabelizer, fireworks, Adobe streamline, genuine fractals, etc.) that are primarily targeted at web-specific manipulations rather than general purpose image creation. 2/ if you buy photoshop, that's only half a decision, since the real issue is which plugins you'll need. I like many of the extensis set. 3/ An interesting open question is the rate at which use of multimedia (animation, sound, et alia) will become critical issues in web graphic design. If you believe in multimedia, you'll need to buy your graphic designer appropriate tools. JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From rgeyer at adrian.adrian.edu Tue Jan 19 16:22:53 1999 From: rgeyer at adrian.adrian.edu (RICHARD GEYER) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Search Reopened - Electronic Resources Librarian Message-ID: <99011916225380@adrian.adrian.edu> From: ADRIAN::RGEYER "RICHARD GEYER" 19-JAN-1999 16:18:50.64 To: RGEYER CC: Subj: Search Reopened - Electronic Resources Librarian SEARCH REOPENED - ELECTRONIC RESOURCES LIBRARIAN. Adrian College invites applications for the new position of Electronic Resources Librarian. We are seeking an individual who will provide leadership in identifying, developing and coordinating electronic resources at the library, and helping to integrate them into the College's educational program. Responsibilities include: creation and maintenance of a library Web page; coordination of the operation and upgrading of a DRA system; management of Internet, CD-ROM, satellite, digital imaging and networked resources; provision of related documentation and training of faculty and staff in the use of information resources and software. This position also includes assistance with reference desk coverage and participation in the library's bibliographic instruction program. Some evening/weekend hours. Required: ALA-accredited MLS received prior to appointment, significant experience with computer hardware, software, and the Internet. Send cover letter, resume and contact information for three references to: Richard Geyer, Head Librarian, Shipman Library, Adrian College, Adrian, MI 49221. Review of applications will begin February 5, 1999. EOE. From mparker at library.ca.gov Tue Jan 19 19:52:25 1999 From: mparker at library.ca.gov (Mark Parker) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:01 2005 Subject: Principal Librarian - California State Library Message-ID: <199901200052.QAA31499@agency.ceres.ca.gov> Friends, Please note that one of these positions will involve technology consulting: The California State Library will be interviewing at ALA Midwinter, as well as in California, for the classification of Principal Librarian. This is an open competitive examination to create an eligible list. The examination will consist of a qualifications appraisal interview only. To obtain a position on the eligible list, applicants must achieve a minimum rating of 70% on the interview. Positions exist in Sacramento with the California State Library. Current openings are for positions in the areas of technology consulting and in general multitype network consulting and development. Additional openings in other areas of expertise are expected to be filled from this list in the future. Salary range is currently $4369 - $5310 per month. The examination announcement, a description of the Principal Librarian class, and the state application form are all available on the World Wide Web at www.spb.ca.gov. Once you're there, first click on "jobs". To download an application form, click on "Where to get a state application". To get the exam announcement etc., click on "Jobs open to the public", then "Open exams", then "Open exams by title", then "Principal Librarian". This information includes minimum qualifications, the scope of the exam (competitor's abilities and knowledge to be measured), where to send the application, and other important details. Please note the salary on this Internet site has not been updated. The final filing date for the exam is February 3, 1999. If you are interested in interviewing at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia, it is best to submit an application in advance, although onsite application at Midwinter is also possible. The California State Library will have exam bulletins and applications available at ALA Midwinter. For more information on the examination process, please call the California State Library Human Resources Services Office at (916) 654-0202. Thank you, ======================================= Mark R. Parker, Technology Coordinator Library Development Services Bureau California State Library P.O. Box 942837 Sacramento, CA 94237-0001 (916) 657-1892 Voice (916) 653-8443 Fax mparker@library.ca.gov ======================================= From bradzo at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 19 08:35:38 1999 From: bradzo at ozemail.com.au (Bradley Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Locking Down a Win95/98 PC - Minimal Browser Message-ID: <003901be444a$e05e55e0$7efb6ccb@rowdy> Dear Web4Lib'ers Having seen some of the posts re your frustrations at not being able to configure Internet Explorer 4 to suit your needs more fully, LibIT Solutions, Brisbane, Australia, may have an answer for you. Please visit: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bradzo/libit/libit.htm for more information on us and Sheller, our Minimal Browser. Just quickly, with our browser, there is no menu or toolbar (by design), and you can allow or deny access to any URL (or parts of it, such as mailto:), and also disable or enable keystrokes, such as CTRL-O and CTRL-P. Perfect for public places. Thank you for your time. We hope you find Sheller to be of benefit. Please email us with your thoughts/comments/criticisms/wishlists. Kind Regards Brad Thomas, Director, LibIT Solutions Brisbane, Australia. bradzo@ozemail.com.au From kristinh at lv.is Wed Jan 20 08:28:18 1999 From: kristinh at lv.is (kristinh@lv.is) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Cleaning up Message-ID: <002566FF.00495606.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Hello everyone, I need your help on cleaning up my folders. Here's the problem: I have a folder named pics (Original!) in the folder containing the .html files for my library pages on our Intranet. I want to move or remove the .gifs and .jpgs which are not in use on my pages (not linked to them). Is there anyway I can do this without going over each and every page and each and every picture (there are 116 of them in the folder)? Is there a program that helps me find out wheather or not my pics are linked to a page? Thanx Kristin Osk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: +354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: http://www.lv.is/enska Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ ******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston Hughes From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Wed Jan 20 08:52:25 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Locking down NT Message-ID: <199901201352.OAA08528@varese.ircam.fr> Paul H. Gray asks about how to configure NT workstations for a minimalist and safe setup. You have to use the "poledit" command, which you get at by clicking on the "START" button, then the Command option (I hope this is the name; it is the 2nd one from the bottom; here it is labeled in French) and type "poledit". This allows configuring almost everything every type of use can or cannot do, including removing the task bar altogether. Very useful. Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou Paris (France) From ar113 at york.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 08:59:33 1999 From: ar113 at york.ac.uk (Alister Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Design of search engine user interfaces Message-ID: Hi, I'm a student at the University of York, conducting a final year study of search engine user interface suitability. I currently need more people to complete my experiment, so please could you visit: http://atlas.cs.york.ac.uk/~ar113/cgi-bin/search.pl I will place the results of my project, once it is complete, in the public domain. The experiment lasts about 3 or 4 minutes on average AtDhVaAnNkCsE for your time, Alister Roberts. From thom at indiana.edu Wed Jan 20 09:35:16 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Design of search engine user interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hope this is a prelim because your visual design of the experiment has a major visual design error. Have you even tried to enter the answer to task 4 Page 4 of 7 Task: Okay, now what would you enter to get the text of Martin Luther King Jr. "I have a dream" speech? into a 20 character input box? The user will not be able to see what they have typed. Use a textarea big enough. --Thom From nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us Wed Jan 20 10:56:15 1999 From: nancy.keane at rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us (nancy keane) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: NT web server information needed Message-ID: <19990120155615272.AAA157@Nkeane.concord.k12.nh.us> I have received a grant to purchase a web server for our library. We have decided to purchase a pc compatible web server and use Windows NT 4.0. We are in the process of writing up the p.o.'s and I need to know what else I need to purchase as far as software is concerned. The server will be used as a web server. I need to allow searching of the web site. Is this included in the NT software or is it something extra? Are there plug-ins that I should purchase? I hope these questions make sense. Thanks for your help. Nancy Keane ******************************************************************************* Nancy J. Keane voice: 603-225-0862 Rundlett Middle School fax: 603-226-3288 144 South Street email: nancy.keane@rundlett.concord.k12.nh.us Concord, New Hampshire 03301 http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett/ Booktalks http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/rundlett/booktalks Winner 1998 Progressive School Library Media Award "Do the best you can and maintain a sense of humor." ****************************************************************************** From hananc at bashan.co.il Wed Jan 20 14:58:19 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Cleaning up References: <002566FF.00495606.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Message-ID: <36A6355B.D0CEF09F@bashan.co.il> kristinh@lv.is wrote: > Is there a program that helps me find out wheather or not my pics are linked to a > page? Yes, there is. Use Linkbot to tell you all the problems you might have on your site. It has a feature called "orphans" in which it compares between the files on your site and the files on your directory. You can download it from your nearest TUCOWS mirror. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us Wed Jan 20 15:26:51 1999 From: miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Print Preview Message-ID: We've recently added some Power Macs (PM 7500/100s with 32 megs RAM, MacOS 8.5) and find that Navigator 4.08 lacks a "print preview" function. I've been told that a product called "Net Print" would provide a workaround. I've not been able to locate it and wonder if it really exists. We've been looking at MSIE 4.5 which has the print preview, but I'm not sure we can configure the security as we would like. Any suggestions are welcome. --mike From jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 20 16:43:24 1999 From: jgardner at vlc.lib.mi.us (Jodie Gardner) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: graphics programs--thanks Message-ID: Just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my recent request for information on graphics programs for web design. I probably didn't phrase my question as accurately as I could have--I suggested that we purchase Photoshop for our graphics designer and possibly send her to a training program in part because I have used Photoshop and found it to be a great program. Because of the high cost, I was asked if other programs would do the same thing. However, I wanted unbiased responses on graphics programs--not just alternatives to Photoshop. Since most of the responses mentioned Photoshop, it really backs up my argument for it. Thanks, Jodie Gardner From kjustie at nslsilus.org Wed Jan 20 17:07:16 1999 From: kjustie at nslsilus.org (Kevin Justie) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Print Preview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >We've recently added some Power Macs (PM 7500/100s with 32 megs RAM, MacOS >8.5) and find that Navigator 4.08 lacks a "print preview" function. I've >been told that a product called "Net Print" would provide a workaround. >I've not been able to locate it and wonder if it really exists. NetPrint can be found at http://www93.pair.com/johnmoe/. Rather than having a print preview, it allows you to select (by dragging) a portion of the page and then print just that portion. It's very useful, *but* you lose most of the formatting and all of the graphics. We've just started using MSIE 4.5 (for staff, not public) and the print preview function is *very* nice. In addition to seeing which pages you need to print, you can also either squeeze the content horizontally or crop it so you don't get those 99% empty "right-hand" pages when one part of the page is wider than the print area. Kevin Justie Head of Technical and Automated Services Morton Grove Public Library, Morton Grove, IL (847) 965-4220 kjustie@mgk.nslsilus.org http://www.webrary.org/ Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect official Library policy. *** "The box said Windows 95 or better,...So I bought a Mac." *** From LHallingby at sorosny.org Wed Jan 20 17:46:07 1999 From: LHallingby at sorosny.org (Leigh Hallingby) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: Program on THE INTERNET AND THE TRANSFORMATION OF THREE COMMUNITI ES Message-ID: <3AB47B8D14C1D111B3ED00805FC7F1078F80F5@SNAKE-EYES> The Special Libraries Association, New York Chapter, Social Sciences Group >> is proud to announce an upcoming forum, >> THE INTERNET AND THE TRANSFORMATION OF THREE COMMUNITIES: Visually >> Impaired; Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered; and Urban, Low-Income >> >> How do different communities use the Internet and how has it changed >> these communities? >> Has the Internet lived up to its promise as a tool to educate, empower >> and overcome isolation? >> What is virtual community? How does it relate to traditional >> communities? >> >> Join us for a provocative forum that will consider the Internet in its >> most real and powerful form--as a means of transformation for individuals >> and their respective communities. >> >> Speakers: >> Gregory Rosmaita, American Foundation for the Blind; World Wide Web >> Consortium >> >> Tim Roberts, Callen-Lorde Community Health Center (New York's only health >> care center primarily serving the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender >> community) >> >> Liz Cahill, BrookLynX (online community information network and >> Internet/Web publishing training programs serving low-income neighborhoods >> in Brooklyn) >> >> date & time: Wednesday, February 24, 5:30-7:30 p.m. (social hour from 5:30 >> to 6:30) >> place: Rockefeller Foundation, 420 Fifth Ave., 23rd Fl., betw. 37-38 St. >> entrance >> >> For more information, contact Monica Berger, Libraries for the Future, >> mberger@lff.org, (212) 352-2330. >> >> ************************************************************************** >> *********************************************** >> >> Please r.s.v.p. by email, fax or mail by February 17 to: Michele LaBella, >> Catalyst Information Center, 120 Wall Street, 5th Fl., New York, NY 10005. >> Phone: (212) 514-7600, x312, Fax: (212) 514-8470, email: >> mlabella@catalystwomen.org >> >> >> Name:_____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Affiliation:______________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Phone:_________________ Fax:_________________ >> Email:________________________ >> >> >> Monica Berger >> Librarian (mberger@lff.org) >> Libraries for the Future >> 121 W. 27th Street, Suite 1102 >> New York, NY 10001 >> tel: 212-352-2330/800-542-1918 >> fax: 212-352-2342 >> www.lff.org From avirr at LanMinds.Com Wed Jan 20 19:02:58 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] NT web server information needed In-Reply-To: <19990120155615272.AAA157@Nkeane.concord.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: At 7:47 AM -0800 1/20/99, nancy keane wrote: > I need to allow searching of the web site. Is this > included in the NT software or is it something extra? Are there plug-ins > that I should purchase? Windows NT Server (not Workstation) includes the Microsoft Index Server for site search. It works but I didn't like using it very much -- very cryptic codes and an approach more focused on SQL databases than text file indexing and searching. Also, it's very difficult to display META description tags rather than the automated "summary" (seemingly-random bits of the file). There are a number of other site search options for NT, or you can use a Remote Site Search Service. Check out my site at or contact me directly for more info. Avi ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Web Site Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From dushman at hotmail.com Fri Jan 22 03:56:10 1999 From: dushman at hotmail.com (Dost [Sakha]) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: New Address for ICQ Group for Librarians/Cyberarians/Inf. Sc. Message-ID: <19990122085610.2271.qmail@hotmail.com> [This message is being cross posted, kindly excuse the duplication] Please note the change in the URL for ICQ Group for Librarians. The following URL of ICQ Group for Librarians/Cyberarians/Information Scientists. http://librarian.home.ml.org is no longer working as "Monolith URL redirector is no longer providing service and has officially stopped since Dec 15, 1998" So, if you want to view or participate in this Group either go directly to the following URL : http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=329507 or remember the following URL : http://i.am/librarian Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From frank at hyena.net Fri Jan 22 05:31:28 1999 From: frank at hyena.net (Frank Bongers) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: I would like to leave the list ... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990122103128.007eade0@mail.hyena.net> ... but it doesn't work. I send an email to the listserver, but it doesn't wat to unsubscribe me ... Can someone help me ? Thanx ... Frank From fshan at iusb.edu Fri Jan 22 09:51:02 1999 From: fshan at iusb.edu (Feng Shan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: Web database software? Message-ID: Hi all, Our library is considering moving some of our local databases onto the web and therefore is looking for such software either commercially available or as freeware, shareware. I understand that there are many existing and many libraries do use them, but unfortunately I have no idea of them. I am looking forward to hearing your suggestions of any sort. Thank you in advance. Feng Shan Head of Computer Applications Assistant Librarian Schurz Library Indiana University South Bend email: fshan@iusb.edu From sean at durak.org Fri Jan 22 10:04:05 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web database software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Feng Shan: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Feng Shan wrote: > Our library is considering moving some of our local databases onto the web > and therefore is looking for such software either commercially available > or as freeware, shareware. I understand that there are many existing you might like to look into php (middleware that supports many free and commercial rdbms's) and if you need a open-source sql rdbms, i'd recommend postgresql or mysql. here are the web addresses for each: http://www.php.net/ http://www.postgresql.org/ http://www.mysql.com/ good luck! sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From KHARKE at mednet.swmed.edu Fri Jan 22 10:05:04 1999 From: KHARKE at mednet.swmed.edu (Karen Harker) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web database software? Message-ID: We started using ColdFusion, with which we were able to develop 2 projects: 1) Residency Brochure Database (http://www.swmed.edu/cfdocs/library/residenc.cfm) 2) Quiz management program - this is password restricted, but it enables students to take quizzes online and get immediate feedback, and allows the instructor to get a report of their answers and their scores. We have more planned on the way. However, we are considering using MS Visual InterDev and ASP, now that we have a Windows NT server available. I like ColdFusion because of its ease of use. It really is not hard to learn and the tags provide many functions which would take lots of coding otherwise. There is an article comparing these two products, but I can't remember the URL. I'll get it up when I find it. Karen R. Harker Web Developer UT Southwestern Medical Library 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX 75235-9049 http://www.swmed.edu/home_pages/library/ >>> Feng Shan 1/22/99 8:55:38 AM >>> Hi all, Our library is considering moving some of our local databases onto the web and therefore is looking for such software either commercially available or as freeware, shareware. I understand that there are many existing and many libraries do use them, but unfortunately I have no idea of them. I am looking forward to hearing your suggestions of any sort. Thank you in advance. Feng Shan Head of Computer Applications Assistant Librarian Schurz Library Indiana University South Bend email: fshan@iusb.edu From wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu Fri Jan 22 10:06:41 1999 From: wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu (John Wynstra) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: Log Reporting Tools Message-ID: <01be4618$d170e9b0$6114a186@wynstra.lib> I'm not sure if this has been asked recently, if so I apologize. Does anyone have any recommendations concerning log reporting software. I'm looking for a good balance between customization of reports and well designed built-in report templates. John Wynstra Library Systems Project Manager University of Northern Iowa john.wynstra@uni.edu From ericlee at oise.utoronto.ca Fri Jan 22 10:21:54 1999 From: ericlee at oise.utoronto.ca (Eric Lee) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web database software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a fair amount of discussion of this in the Web4Lib archive. Systems you will want to check/look for include: KE Texpress -- www.kesoftware.com Texis + WebScript + Webinator -- www.thunderstone.com AOL Server + Solid or Sybase -- www.aolserver.com ColdFusion + MS Access or Solid -- www.allaire.com Others which I haven't seen discussed: Star -- Cuadra Associates, www.cuadra.com BASIS -- through www.verity.com (I think) PLS -- www.pls.com Eric Lee ericlee@oise.utoronto.ca From sean at durak.org Fri Jan 22 11:44:42 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Log Reporting Tools In-Reply-To: <01be4618$d170e9b0$6114a186@wynstra.lib> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, John Wynstra wrote: > anyone have any recommendations concerning log reporting software. I'm > looking for a good balance between customization of reports and well > designed built-in report templates. webalizer is fast, easy, and comes nicely configured by default: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ analog is super-customizable, reporting is less visual, and its a little more challenging to set up and automate: http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~sret1/analog/ nettracker is the nicest commerical web-traffic analysis tool i've seen, its server based, truly designed for interactive use, drill down into individual clickstreams (as close as possible using IP address): http://www.nettracker.com/ hth! sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Fri Jan 22 11:51:08 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] security question References: <4.1.19990121220227.00930b40@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Message-ID: <36A8AC7C.96C815DC@anaheim.lib.ca.us> > I wish I knew the answer to HOW so I could stop it. > I'm really interested in > how your patrons, Thomas, are working around the "save to C" issue. > > Thanks > Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian > Englewood Public, NJ > > At 05:23 PM 1/21/99 -0800, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > >We have Fortres installed on Windows 95 workstations attached to our > >network. Unfortunately, we have had several instances recently of > >patrons coming in and downloading files to the C: drive. Our log files > >also show the patron saving changes to a database file. > > > >Since they have found a way around Fortres security, I need another > >option. Is policy editor available on Windows 95? I can't seem to find > >it. If there is, where do I find instructions on how to use it? > > > >-- > >Thomas Edelblute > >Anaheim Public Library > > > > -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From avirr at LanMinds.Com Fri Jan 22 13:22:44 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web database software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For true ease of use, check out FileMaker, 4th Dimension and Web Server 4D as well. They both run on Macs & Windows and are much more user-oriented than many of the other solutions. Avi At 7:24 AM -0800 1/22/99, Eric Lee wrote: > There is a fair amount of discussion of this in the Web4Lib archive. > Systems you will want to check/look for include: > > KE Texpress -- www.kesoftware.com > > Texis + WebScript + Webinator -- www.thunderstone.com > > AOL Server + Solid or Sybase -- www.aolserver.com > > ColdFusion + MS Access or Solid -- www.allaire.com > > Others which I haven't seen discussed: > > Star -- Cuadra Associates, www.cuadra.com > > BASIS -- through www.verity.com (I think) > > PLS -- www.pls.com > > Eric Lee > ericlee@oise.utoronto.ca ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Web Site Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From morganj at iupui.edu Fri Jan 22 13:35:00 1999 From: morganj at iupui.edu (morganj@iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Log Reporting Tools In-Reply-To: <01be4618$d170e9b0$6114a186@wynstra.lib> Message-ID: Internet World (formerly Web Week) had a comparative review of these in its Oct. 26 issue. It calls them "traffic analyzers". You can find the review by searching its web site at www.iw.com. Three of the low and mid priced tools seemed quite good according to the review: NetIntellect, HitList Pro and WebTrends Pro. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, John Wynstra wrote: > I'm not sure if this has been asked recently, if so I apologize. Does > anyone have any recommendations concerning log reporting software. I'm > looking for a good balance between customization of reports and well > designed built-in report templates. > > John Wynstra > Library Systems Project Manager > University of Northern Iowa > john.wynstra@uni.edu > From almag at mills.edu Fri Jan 22 13:23:37 1999 From: almag at mills.edu (Alma E. Garcia) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: netscape encoding options In-Reply-To: <36A8AC7C.96C815DC@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: I am in desterate need of a way to keep patrons from changing the encoding options in in netscape 4.5 running on a Mac. I am also looking at for security software similar to AtEase that will run on Mac OS 8. Any suggestion would be great. Alma Garcia Library System Administrator almag@mills.edu (510)430-2021 From jwilliams at jhubc.it Fri Jan 22 13:44:35 1999 From: jwilliams at jhubc.it (John Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: security question References: <36A8AC7C.96C815DC@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <36A8C713.70B5@jhubc.it> Yes, policy editor is available for Win95, instructions can be found in that big thick book on Win95 put out by Microsoft. But it's pretty easy and inuitive to use. After shutting out everything with the policy editor, you need to prevent access to the Win95 boot menu (safe mode, command line, etc.) by editing msdos.sys, then edit the BIOS to prevent floppy boots, then password protect the BIOS. Will that do the trick? I'm not sure, because I haven't tried it yet. John Williams Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center Via Belmeloro 11, 40126 Bologna, Italy Tel.: 051232185 - Fax: 051228505 - http://www.jhubc.it/ > > > > > > >Since they have found a way around Fortres security, I need another > > >option. Is policy editor available on Windows 95? I can't seem to find > > >it. If there is, where do I find instructions on how to use it? > > > From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Fri Jan 22 13:54:08 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: security question Message-ID: <005501be4638$97ca8f20$e84ae980@usask.ca> >Yes, policy editor is available for Win95, instructions can be found in >that big thick book on Win95 put out by Microsoft. But it's pretty easy >and inuitive to use. > >After shutting out everything with the policy editor, you need to >prevent access to the Win95 boot menu (safe mode, command line, etc.) by >editing msdos.sys, then edit the BIOS to prevent floppy boots, then >password protect the BIOS. You may also want to investigate the Remote Registry Service (installed like any other network service -- you'll find it on the Win95 CD somewhere). It will allow you to use the policy editor from another machine on the network (ie yours) to secure/unsecure your OPACs. That way you won't have to leave yourself a hole on the OPAC to run poledit to undo all the restrictions when you need to make a change. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc., Programmer/Analyst Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Consulting & Development http://gollum.usask.ca/ Department of Computing Services 163.6 Murray Building University of Saskatchewan Main Library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Truth Is Out There" From kharriss at d.umn.edu Fri Jan 22 14:10:00 1999 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: security question In-Reply-To: <36A8C713.70B5@jhubc.it> Message-ID: We do what John Williams mentioned: 1. Shut everything down using Win95's Policy Editor 2. Edit msdos.sys to prevent access to the Boot Menu 3. Change BIOS settings to prevent booting from A: 4. Password protect BIOS settings No, this does not provide full security. Users who know what they are doing can and do make changes. We take one more step, which almost always takes care of changes made by users. 5. Place a full hard disk and registry image on a server, and set up the PCs so that they rebuild themselves on bootup (and on demand) to match the standard configuration stored on the server. I know there are other products for this, but the product we use is PC-Rdist (wpcrdist.exe). This product doesn't download the entire setup every time, it identifies what has changed and adds or deletes files to bring the PC back into configuration. If interested, check www.pyzzo.com It isn't free, but it isn't expensive, either. The security packages we tried using last year and the year before didn't provide absolute security, and each introduced new problems for our Win95 PCs. (Don't want to give names - I have lawsuit avoidance syndrome.) ======================================================= Kyle Harriss voice: (218) 726-6546 UMD Library email: kharriss@d.umn.edu 10 University Drive Duluth, MN 55812 From bparker at nadn.navy.mil Fri Jan 22 14:29:08 1999 From: bparker at nadn.navy.mil (Barbara A Parker) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: Status Report (fwd) Message-ID: Hello-- On 10 December 1998 I posted a query to the list about replacing our cdrom server ("Microtest"). Our goal was point-and-click access from our Web page to our networked cd products. We also wanted a user interface that collected statistics and worked with licensing restrictions, etc. First I want to thank all of you who responded; all suggestions are still being considered. I do have a status report to date that has been very hard won. We have been testing two trial cd towers, and one of them used DiscView/DiscPort, SmartLaunch, and WebLauch. Again, our hope was that we could make our networked cd products available outside the Library building via the internet, and not just internally on an intranet. We have had a very hard time configuring cd products on this tower and getting them to open at all. In fact, we never did get WebLaunch to work. The software behaved differently on two network administrators' computers. Our technician from the Naval Academy's Information Technology Services finally just more-or-less gave up. We would call Microtest with questions and they would be very, very interested in our problems, but they seemed to be as perplexed as we. We are in the process of sending the trial software and the server back. Microtest also makes another product called DiskZerver which integrates several products including LaunchPro, a web interface. This was loaded on the other trial server. It worked much better, but for an intranet, not the Internet. There is a significant problem if we want to have the products accessible outside the Library and not just networked within the building, since the LaunchPro plug-in won't work on any workstation that has ever had a Netscape upgrade (e.g., if you've ever upgraded from 2.0 to Communicator). In addition, on some workstations users are asked for a LaunchPro password, and this may happen either in Netscape or in Internet Explorer. Microtest isn't sure why this happens. The plugin problem can be controlled on workstations within the Library by reformating the hard drive but this seems like an ugly solution and particularly difficult to ask users outside the Library to do. The password problem is a bit dicier because it's unpredictable. We like the DiscZerver technology, but cannot recommend it at this time because of the above-described bugs which Microtest has duplicated, is aware of, and is working on. If anyone using DiscZerver has any suggestions or help to offer we would certainly appreciate it. --Barbara Parker Web Systems Management Librarian U. S. Naval Academy Library (410) 293-6904 From miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us Fri Jan 22 16:23:14 1999 From: miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: More MSIE 4.5 for Macintosh Problems Message-ID: We're trying to offer MSIE 4.5 and NCSA Telnet on PM 7500s with Mac OS 8.5 and while it's a slick program, we're having troubles locking things down as well as we could under Win95. I'm trying to prevent our patrons from 1) Adding to favorites I've tried locking the favorites.htm file, but they still accumulate. I'm able to remove the "Favorites" menu, but they still are available via the fly-out menu (see below). 2) Accumulating History I've set the history down to "3" rather than "300," but would like to see a way to eliminate it entirely. When I set it to "0" the "back" button doesn't work. 3) Using the "Search" button that makes the window pop out from the left margin of the MSIE window. My big problem with this one is that it allows patrons to leave additions to "favorites." 4) Using the "Preferences" button. I can use Resedit to hide the "Preferences" menu item. However, the button still works. I've found that if I drag the MS Preferences onto the desktop the preferences are effectively disabled. However, I can no longer close MSIE or NCSA Telnet without closing my At Ease session. I'm gong to accumulate answers to these and other questions and will create a web-based guide to locking down MSIE 4.5 on Macintosh. Thanks for any and all help. --mike From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Jan 22 17:04:53 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] security question References: <36A7D1CA.6918EA66@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <36A8F605.D29F5CF1@am.appstate.edu> To use the policy editor you usually need to install it from the Add Programs selection in the control panel. PE is not loaded by default. 1. Choose the tab "Windows Setup" 2. Choose have disk 3. If your using the Windows CD Install disk, choose that drive 4. next choose the directory "admin" 5. now choose "apptools" 6. finally choose "poledit" 7. It will, if it is like mine, default to "grouppol.inf" 8. Click OK and OK 9. Now select "System Policy Editor" your computer will probably want to reboot and all that MS stuff This will install the Policy Editor on a single machine and set a new tab "User Profiles" in the Passwords Properties section of the Control Panel. If your machines are logging into an NT Server first, you can put the config.pol file in the \WINNT\system32\Repl\Import\Scripts\ directory and the NT Server will have the Win 95 workstation use the policy created for that logon within the config.pol file.. Several (all) of the Logon profiles are to be saved in that one file. Just understand that NT policies are not compatible with win95 policies which means you can't use the policy editor on an NT machine to edit a win95 policy file. You will get an error message saying you have a corrupt policy file or something to that effect. Its been so long since I've set up my policy I can't remember exactly where I set not being able to save to drive C but I'll be glad to send anybody a copy of the config.pol file which has public and staff policies included on it. It also tells the computer where to get its desktop setting and I am having this loaded off of a Novell Server. I have applications running also from the novell server but the public logon has no write rights to the Novell Server which helps keep some databases unchanged. Any questions ? Just email me. :) Thomas Thomas Edelblute wrote: > We have Fortres installed on Windows 95 workstations attached to our > network. Unfortunately, we have had several instances recently of > patrons coming in and downloading files to the C: drive. Our log files > also show the patron saving changes to a database file. > > Since they have found a way around Fortres security, I need another > option. Is policy editor available on Windows 95? I can't seem to find > it. If there is, where do I find instructions on how to use it? > > -- > Thomas Edelblute > Anaheim Public Library From jimros at sonoma.lib.ca.us Fri Jan 22 18:27:16 1999 From: jimros at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Jim Rosaschi) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: PC Secutiry (Again) Message-ID: <01BE461B.B1AFC3A0.jimros@sonoma.lib.ca.us> We recently purchased a Centurion Guard, which seems to be working well. This is a security hardware device, which looks and sounds pretty silly, but... ...it seems to work as advertised The device plugs into a floppy drive cable connector inside the computer, and also into a keyed lock which is mounted in a normal slot cover on the back of the PC. With this device properly installed and locked, any and all disk changes are written to temp files which are erased each time the computer is rebooted. When the lock is on, no permanent changes to the hard drive are permitted. When the registry does its thing all day long, those changes are written temporarily. If a hacker gets in, all changes are only temporary. When the machine boots, it does so from protected versions of the necessary files. Our current application is on a juvenile CD ROM workstation, but we will soon be testing one on a public web workstation, and expect it to work well. It seems to work best if installed on a clean computer with all applications loaded after installation of the Centurion Guard. Yes, it is a bother. Naturally, we are using ours with WinSelect for the greatest degree of security overkill possible. So far, it all looks pretty good. Info at: http://www.centuriontech.com/ 1 800 547-5342 Jim Rosaschi Sonoma County Library From smithj at pls.lib.ca.us Fri Jan 22 23:01:03 1999 From: smithj at pls.lib.ca.us (Jay Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] security question In-Reply-To: <36A7D1CA.6918EA66@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Thomas et al, Policy editor can be found on the Win95 cd-rom. On mine, it's in admin\apptools\poledit. I can't recommend it---difficult to set up and administer. There are other products besides Fortres, at San Mateo County we've begun to use WinSelect 3.31, which includes a module to disable aspects of applications and a module to address system security issues. ======================================================================== Jay Smith voice (650) 591-1110 (Tuesdays) Reference Librarian fax (650) 591-1585 (Tuesdays) San Mateo Co. Library voice (650) 574-4842 ext. 235 (Wed-Fri) Technical Support Group fax (650) 572-1875 (Wed-Fri) Peninsula Library System smithj@pls.lib.ca.us San Carlos Library, 610 Walnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 Foster City Library, 1000 E. Hillsdale, Foster City, CA 94404 ======================================================================== From ttripp at inforamp.net Sat Jan 23 09:15:08 1999 From: ttripp at inforamp.net (Tim Tripp) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web database software? References: Message-ID: <36A9D969.A8E6B318@inforamp.net> Feng Shan wrote: > > Hi all, > > Our library is considering moving some of our local databases onto the web > and therefore is looking for such software either commercially available > or as freeware, shareware. I understand that there are many existing > and many libraries do use them, but unfortunately I have no idea of them. > I am looking forward to hearing your suggestions of any sort. Hi Feng, For my library, I use Inmagic's WebPublisher suite of tools (http://www.inmagic.com/). Although I'm a big fan, the initial outlay of funds might be prohibitive if you're not already an Inmagic shop. The nice thing about it is that with the WebPublisher installed, you do all your search screen and report design in the desktop database application, DB/Textworks, which is pretty simple and flexible - so no knowledge of html is necessary. With their additional server add-ons, you can also enable web-based updating of databases. I'm just starting to play with FileMaker Pro (http://www.filemaker.com/). Version 4 has "built in HTTP support", which means you shouldn't need any additional tools to put your FM databases on the web. It sounds really promising, although I haven't gotten into it enough to really evaluate it. I'd appreciate any comments someone with more experience might have on its ease of use. Tim -- Tim Tripp, Librarian Spar Aerospace Ltd. 9445 Airport Road Brampton, Ontario, Canada L6S 4J3 http://www.spar.ca/ Tel:(905) 790-2800 ext. 4108 Fax:(905) 790-4423 Work: ttripp@spar.ca Home: ttripp@inforamp.net ### I saw two shooting stars last night, ### I wished on them, but they were only satellites... ### Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? - Billy Bragg From Torgny.Bengtsson at mbox200.swipnet.se Sat Jan 23 11:41:26 1999 From: Torgny.Bengtsson at mbox200.swipnet.se (Torgny.Bengtsson@mbox200.swipnet.se) Date: Wed May 18 14:17:04 2005 Subject: SUBSCRIBE WEB4LIB Message-ID: <004e01be46ef$395a4d60$d94dfea9@dator1> SUBSCRIBE WEB4LIB Torgny Bengtsson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990123/67c7bfee/attachment.htm From rickpe at seq.clan.lib.ri.us Sat Jan 2 20:37:22 1999 From: rickpe at seq.clan.lib.ri.us (Richard Payette) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator 4.06 doesn't follow clicked links References: <368C0931.1CB9B76F@fspl.lib.ar.us> Message-ID: <368EC9D1.91B2FD02@seq.clan.lib.ri.us> > Communicator 4.06 on my NT 4.0 workstation when suddenly Communicator > stopped following the links that I clicked on inside the browser window. > For instance, I'd click on a page link for more information, and nothing > would happen--no error messages, just a whole lot of nothing. The only Mostly likely caused be a corrupt history file. If you delete the file netscape.hst, the problem should go away. One way of preventing the problem is to reduce the number of days that the history is kept to as few as practical. Richard J. Payette Technical Support Specialist Cooperating Libraries Automated Network Warwick, RI 02886 rickpe@seq.clan.lib.ri.us From charta at inetdirect.net Wed Jan 6 11:26:18 1999 From: charta at inetdirect.net (Christopher Handy) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] http://www.fafsa.ed.gov and navigator 4.08 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990105133854.007d3e60@mailx.netheaven.com> Message-ID: On 1/5/99, Josh Kuperman wrote: |>Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for |>financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator |>later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site |>and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know |>what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to |>update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their |>is some difference in the newer browsers. I notice that they also exclude certain earlier browser versions -- at least in the case of Macintosh (viz., versions 4.0-4.04) -- so it would seem they're concerned about a usability issue, one that's present in some Netscape browsers but not in versions 3.x or in 4.05. Also, they specifically state that Internet Explorer 4.01 isn't compatible with their web applications without Service Pack 1. These limitations seem pretty purposeful, even if the purpose itself isn't immediately obvious. Curiously, if you follow their instructions for acquiring an appropriate browser , you'll end up on Netscape's product page looking at the download links for Navigator 4.08, which of course isn't supported! Pity the poor aid applicant who has an unsupported browser but can see no way of acquiring one that is. A guess might be that the idiosyncratic restrictions stem from a variety of security and Javascript compatibility issues. And as you say, it may also be that they haven't yet bothered to accommodate the more recent browsers. Whatever the case, when I hack the version number of my copy of Navigator 4.08 (changing it to 4.05) and complete a section of one of their application forms, my machine doesn't catch fire or display any other obvious malfunction. Christopher Handy Indianapolis, IN From davidb at cstone.net Wed Jan 6 12:01:01 1999 From: davidb at cstone.net (David Borchardt) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re:user transactions Message-ID: <007d01be3996$5fb18660$5d0847cc@patsale2> Lorrie Knight wrote: >Hello: >Our web based products are deployed on computers along with word processing, >stats, etc. We would like to know what students are using and how long they >are using each program. Is anyone aware of software that would log on the >student to the workstation and track (anonymously of course) their computer >activities? Or something similar? At minimum, we would like to know >frequency and length of use of programs/databases. Any help will be greatly >appreciated. Thanks. > Take a look at INVORTEX Technologies' program - Public Access Manager (PAM) which is available for download at www.invortex.com. PAM allows the IT administrator to OPTIONALLY enable a number of features including: Require logon with a Students/Patrons ID# and optionally a 3 or 4 digit PIN number Different user profiles for Students/Patrons and Staff Creates User Activity Log for data mining Secures OS and software applications Automatic End-of-Day PC Shutdown Set session time and print limits URL Restriction Best Regards, David Borchardt, Library Division INVORTEX Technologies, Inc. davidb@invortex.com From ghinkle at mlc.lib.ms.us Wed Jan 6 12:01:23 1999 From: ghinkle at mlc.lib.ms.us (GLENN HINKLE) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re:user transactions Message-ID: Hi Lorrie, The Mississippi Library Commission uses SofTrack by Elron Software to track CD based as well as server side application usage. We run it on our Novell 4.11 server and provides stats on who is using what and for how long. Hope this helps. The URL is: http://208.226.13.232/ Good Luck, Glenn Hinkle, Senior Network Engineer Mississippi Library Commission ghinkle@mlc.lib.ms.us >>> Lorrie knight 01/05 5:05 PM >>> Hello: Our web based products are deployed on computers along with word processing, stats, etc. We would like to know what students are using and how long they are using each program. Is anyone aware of software that would log on the student to the workstation and track (anonymously of course) their computer activities? Or something similar? At minimum, we would like to know frequency and length of use of programs/databases. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From cjackson at monroe.lib.in.us Wed Jan 6 13:06:06 1999 From: cjackson at monroe.lib.in.us (Christopher Jackson) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: Position Available: Automation Section Manager Message-ID: Monroe County Public Library 303 East Kirkwood Avenue Bloomington, IN 47408 (812) 349-3050 (voice) (812) 349-3051 (fax) http://www.monroe.lib.in.us Position available until filled SEARCH EXTENDED JOB DESCRIPTION AND SPECIFICATIONS JOB TITLE: Automation Section Manager TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT: Regular, full-time (this position is FLSA exempt) DEPARTMENT: Automation JOB CLASSIFICATION: Section Manager RESPONSIBLE TO: Associate Director, Public Services HOURS PER WEEK: 37.5 SCHEDULE: to be arranged; will include some evenings and weekends; person will need to be available "on call" via pager for emergencies. OBJECTIVES OF THE POSITION: Directs and supervises all computer hardware and applications within the library, and all electronic connections between the library and other organizations in order to fulfill the library's mission for the best possible library service. WORK PERFORMED: 1. Personnel. Participates in hiring and supervises personnel (2) assigned to computer applications. 2. Administrative. Communicates with administration about functional needs; plans and evaluates services, and participates in budget decision. Works with other department managers on policies affecting electronic services. 3. Automation. Supervises, coordinates, and works directly with library local area network, including CD-ROM applications. Supervises, coordinates, and works directly with library's automation system (Innovative Interfaces) Supervises, coordinates, and works directly with the library's Electronic Branch Supervises, coordinates, and works directly with technology training and trouble-shooting for staff. Coordinates the library's participation in electronic networks (e.g. HoosierNet, Access Indiana). Organizes and distributes software and supporting documents for library staff use and network uses. Helps staff the Public Computing Center. 4. Professional Activities and Development. Pursues continuing education opportunities; participates in professional organizations; stays informed on professional issues and guidelines; maintains in-depth specialized knowledges about computer hardware and software for library services. QUALIFICATIONS: Education and experience: MLS or MIS from an ALA-accredited program and/or a Masters in CS with a commitment to libraries/public service; formal training and experience in computer systems, especially as related to library; three or more years of successful professional library work, including supervisory experience. Equipment used in this position: telephone, personal computers (PC;s), CD-ROM towers and drives, mini-mainframe computers, modems printers, other peripherals. Skills and personal characteristics: Need outstanding communication skills (verbal and written); supervisory ability; attention to detail; planning ability; public service orientation. Need advanced skills with computers-both hardware and software; knowledge of MS-DOC, MacOS, UNIX, Windows, LANS, WANs, CD-ROMs, programming skills; database management skills, library automation systems. PLEASE SUBMIT RESUME, COMPLETED APPLICATION FORM, SALARY REQUIREMENTS, and a STATEMENT OF PROFESSIONAL PHILOSOPHY. ******************************************************************* For details on this position, please contact Cass Owens, Associate Director, at the above address, or via email: klowens@monroe.lib.in.us From bmazin at mhl.org Wed Jan 6 18:03:22 1999 From: bmazin at mhl.org (bmazin) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: Community Calendar Message-ID: <001b01be39c8$c4e90300$6b725cc7@Beth350> We are planning to mount an extensive community calendar on our home page. The calendar will be in the form of a searchable database, with event information entered by local organizations using web-based forms. I have seen implementations of this on the web, but not by libraries off of library home pages. Is anyone out there in libraryland doing this for their town? If so, can you send me, or the list, your URL? Also, is anyone linking the event information to MARC community information records in their online web catalog? Beth Mazin, Assistant Director Memorial Hall Library Elm Square, Andover, MA 01810 Voice: 978-623-8401 x 33 Fax: 978-623-8407 Email: bmazin@mhl.org www.mhl.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990106/6e37d8b9/attachment.htm From hewlett at usfca.edu Wed Jan 6 19:20:13 1999 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: FAFSA problems Message-ID: <3693FDB4.E964EEFF@usfca.edu> Josh Kuperman wrote: > Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for > financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator > later than 4.05. I spoke with someone at the Dept. of Education last year about problems using FAFSA. At that time, I was told that they had made a deliberate choice to only allow FAFSA submissions via the version of Netscape 3 that supports strong encription. Because of the way our network is set up, we are not able to download or use this version, and I have heard of similar problems at other local colleges. Their current web site appears to support newer versions of Netscape, but our attempts to submit forms have not been successful. (You can enter data, but when you submit the form it is not accepted by them.) The person I spoke with at the Department of Education had no suggestions on how to solve this problem, and did not seem to think it was a problem that the Dept. of Education should address at all. His recommendation was to have the students download the correct version of Netscape and submit the FAFSA from their home computers. This usually works, at least for those who are fairly computer savvy, but it does not solve the problem for students who do not have computers or need to check the status of their applications while on campus. If anyone has had successful experience with having students submit FAFSA from a campus computer lab or library, I would appreciate it if they would contact me. I would really like to be able to offer this service for our students. Jean Hewlett North Bay Regional Campus Library, University of San Francisco hewlett@usfca.edu Josh Kuperman wrote: > Currently, the fafsa web site, which is encouraging people to apply for > financial aid online, does not support any version of Netscape Navigator > later than 4.05. I tried to contact them using the addresses at the site > and their online form, to find why. I was not successful. Does anyone know > what their problem is? I can't tell if it is as simple as they need to > update their check for browsers to include the newer versions or if their > is some difference in the newer browsers. > > Some of our users (oops, sorry I meant patrons - just a throwback to when I > worked as a systems administrator) have pointed out to me a few things that > work in 4.05 that don't work in 4.08. They all involve websites that use > Java, but I've no idea exactly what the problem is. > > -- > Josh Kuperman Saratoga Springs Public Library > sar_kuper@sals.edu 49 Henry St > 518.584.7860x211 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 > http://www.library.saratoga.ny.us From brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Wed Jan 6 20:30:50 1999 From: brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Brian Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Calendar In-Reply-To: <001b01be39c8$c4e90300$6b725cc7@Beth350> Message-ID: We have a calendar for our region. See http://www.cascadelink.org/calendar.html On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, bmazin wrote: > We are planning to mount an extensive community calendar on our home = > page. The calendar will be in the form of a searchable database, with = > event information entered by local organizations using web-based forms. = > I have seen implementations of this on the web, but not by libraries off = > of library home pages. Is anyone out there in libraryland doing this = > for their town? If so, can you send me, or the list, your URL? Also, = > is anyone linking the event information to MARC community information = > records in their online web catalog? =20 > > > Beth Mazin, Assistant Director > Memorial Hall Library > Elm Square, Andover, MA 01810 > Voice: 978-623-8401 x 33 > Fax: 978-623-8407 > Email: bmazin@mhl.org > www.mhl.org Brian Williams Automation Administrator Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net Thu Jan 7 01:29:01 1999 From: SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net (Stephen J. Gilheany) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging, Document Management, & DVDs, Spring 1999 Message-ID: <19990107062942.EXSK8305@end-user> ***** 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging, Document Management, & DVDs, Spring 1999 ***** At UCLA: Thursday, April 22, 11 AM to 8 PM, Friday, April 23, 11 AM to 8 PM, and Saturday, April 24, 9 AM to 5 PM, 1999. $395. UCLA Room 411, UCLA Extension Building, 10995 Le Conte Ave. Westwood, CA 90024 This course is for managers who have been assigned to manage a document imaging system or digital library, and must start immediately. Students will gain an understanding of how document imaging can be used and managed in both small and large-scale organizations. Document imaging is the process of taking documents out of file cabinets, and off shelves, and storing them in a computer. This course provides an understanding of the details that there is often no time to review in the rush to implement a system. Students will learn about the technology of scanning, importing, transmitting, organizing, indexing, storing, protecting, locating, retrieving, viewing, printing, and preserving documents for document imaging systems and digital libraries. Image and document formats, metadata, multimedia, rich text, PDF (Portable Document Format), GIS (Geographic Information Systems), CAD (Computer Aided Design), virtual reality indices, and image enabled databases will be discussed. System design issues in hardware, software, ergonomics, and workflow will be covered. Emerging technologies such as the DVD Digital Video Disk and very high speed Internet, intranet, and extranet links and protocols will be discussed. The course will include the DVD's role in completing the merging to the PC and television, the merging of telephony, cable, and the Internet, the merging of home and office, the merging of business and entertainment, and the management of the resulting document types. Many professionals including records managers, librarians, and archivists work with document management issues every day. While not limited to these professionals, this course builds on the broad range of tools and techniques that exist in these professions. The class content is designed so that students can benefit from each part of the class without fully understanding every technical detail presented. This course is designed for non-technical professionals. Several system designs will be done based on system requirements provided by the students. Reg # B6989 Course # 814.14 (310) 825-9971 to register by phone. UCLA Extension Spring 1999 Catalog www.UnEx.UCLA.edu. Most instruction materials available free at http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com/abpapers.html (The materials are updated from time to time, please check version numbers.) Instructor: SteveGilheany@ArchiveBuilders.com, BA CS, MBA, MLS Specialization in Information Science, CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), CRM (Certified Records Manager), Sr. Systems Engineer, www.ArchiveBuilders.com. (310) 937-7000, Fax: (310) 937-7001. Overnight accommodations: on/next to campus: UCLA Guest House (310) 825-2923 Single/Double $84/$89, UCLA Tiverton House (310) 794-0151 $84/89, Hilgard House (310) 208-3945 $94/$99 (UCLA rate); near campus, shuttle to UCLA: Summit Hotel Bel Air (310) 476-6571 $105 (UCLA rate), Brentwood Holiday Inn (310) 476-6411 $99 (UCLA rate), Westwood Doubletree (310) 475-8711 $102/$112 (UCLA rate) Prices subject to change without notice. The instructor has taught classes similar to this course to document imaging users and managers, to digital projects librarians in Singapore, in legal records management, and to various industry groups. He has worked in digital document management and document imaging for eighteen years. His experience in the application of document management and document imaging in industry includes: aerospace, banking, manufacturing, natural resources, petroleum refining, transportation, energy, federal, state, and local government, civil engineering, utilities, entertainment, commercial records centers, archives, non-profit development, education, and administrative, engineering, production, legal, and medical records management. At the same time, he has worked in product management for hypertext, for windows based user interface systems, for computer displays, for engineering drawing, letter size, microform, and color scanning, and for xerographic, photographic, newspaper, engineering drawing, and color printing. In addition, the instructor has nine years of experience in data center operations and database and computer communications systems design, programming, testing, and software configuration management. He has an MLS Specialization in Information Science and an MBA with a concentration in Computer and Information Systems from UCLA, a California Adult Education teaching credential, and a BA in Computer Science from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. His industry certifications include: the CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), the AIIM Master, and AIIM Laureate, of Information Technologies (from AIIM International, the Association of Information and Image Management, www.AIIM.org), and the CRM (Certified Records Manager) (from the ICRM, the Institute of Certified Records Managers, an affiliate of ARMA International, the Association of Records Managers and Administrators, www.ARMA.org). v69 The following is an example of the materials available at http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com/abpapers.html There are also several papers that describe various document management topics in prose. Computer storage requirements for various digitized document types. 1 scanned page (8 1/2 by 11 inches, A4) = 50 KiloBytes (KByte) (on average, black & white, CCITT G4 compressed) 1 file cabinet (4 drawer) (10,000 pages on average) = 500 MegaBytes (MByte) = 1 CD (ROM or WORM) 2 file cabinets = 1,000 MBytes = 1 GigaByte (GByte); 10 file cabinets = 1 DVD (WORM) (see below) 2,000 file cabinets = 1,000 GigaBytes = 1 TeraByte (TByte); 2,000 file cabinets = 200 DVDs 1 box (in inches: 12 wide x 15 long x 9.5 deep) (2,500 pages) = 1 file drawer = 2 linear feet of files = 125 Mbytes 8 boxes = 16 linear feet = 2 file cabinets = 1 GByte; 8,000 boxes = 16,000 linear feet = 1,000 GBytes = 1 Tbyte 1 E size drawing (48 inches by 36 inches) = 16 letter size pages (8 1/2 by 11 inches, A4) = 800 KBytes 1 library book (average, scanned in black and white) = 10 MBytes; 50 books = 500 MBytes = 1 CD; 100 books = 1 GByte 1 roll of 16 mm microfilm (100 ft) = 2,500 letter size images = 1 box = 1 file cabinet drawer = 125 Mbytes 1 roll of 35 mm microfilm (100 ft) = 5,000 letter size images (or letter size image equivalents) = 250 Mbytes 1 microfiche (105 mm film) = 100 letter size images = 5 MBytes (average); 200 fiche = 20,000 images = 1 GByte From hananc at bashan.co.il Thu Jan 7 01:31:24 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines References: <001201be3911$828f28c0$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Message-ID: <369454BC.32C8315A@bashan.co.il> Hi I would like to direct you to an article titled "Search Sites' Shocking Secrets -- They Stink. They're Getting Worse. And It's Deliberate" at http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_2432.html . After reading this (I think) you will learn to expect less from them. Sorry, but that's life. (this is my first posting to W4L. I will try to be more optimistic on my next one). -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From sean at durak.org Thu Jan 7 04:44:49 1999 From: sean at durak.org (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines References: <369454BC.32C8315A@bashan.co.il> Message-ID: <36948211.AE0FACC2@durak.org> Hanan Cohen wrote: > I would like to direct you to an article titled "Search Sites' Shocking > Secrets -- They Stink. They're Getting Worse. And It's Deliberate" at > http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_2432.html . this editorial gives us a provocative helping of search engine issues. this *may* be a vehicle to drive traffic to other online articles by this publisher. the 18 responses from readers are of special interest to library webmeisters and information professionals. the reader comments reveal user expectations of web-based internet search services, and highlight the statements about information services users find the most disturbing (factual or otherwise :-). if you find that editorial a little too sensational, danny sullivan's http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ covers many of the same issues, a little heavier on the facts and lighter on the hype. danny sullivan has also been known to surface in this very discussion list with free advice for library web authors and to solicit library community input for an upcoming article on what info pros want from search services - hope you voiced your $.02! http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9901/0005.html thanks for the link to a provocative article! p.s. remember: if you don't know what you're doing with a search engine, ask a librarian! or suffer the witty rebuttal: http://macworld.zdnet.com/features/0598/pd.beleaguered.html --sean :-) sean dreilinger, mlis mailto:sean@durak.org http://durak.org/sean From u1019306 at warwick.net Thu Jan 7 06:39:54 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: Submitting websites to search engines Message-ID: <36949D09.81EFDBE@warwick.net> For URLs to specific search engine submission pages try http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess/urlreg.htm Link suggestions are welcome. Robert rjtiess@warwick.net http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess From dennis at hinet.palni.edu Thu Jan 7 09:43:14 1999 From: dennis at hinet.palni.edu (Dennis C. Tucker) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Calendar In-Reply-To: <001b01be39c8$c4e90300$6b725cc7@Beth350> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, bmazin wrote: > Is anyone out there in libraryland doing this = for their town? If > so, can you send me, or the list, your URL? Also, = is anyone linking > the event information to MARC community information = records in their > online web catalog? =20 Beth, We're not doing it for a town, but for our project using a calendar called Manana from ScendTek. The easiest way is to see it is to go to http://hinet.palni.edu and click on the "Hi-Net Event Calendar" link. Once the program is installed, it is easy to add and retrieve events. We've been quite happy with it. We compared other products we didn't like as well. On our page you can find links to ScendTek. I believe the software is free to nonprofits. =============================================================== -- The Face is Familiar, but I Can't Quite Remember my Name Dennis C. Tucker, M.A.T., M.L.S., Project Hi-Net Director INCOLSA (Indiana Cooperative Library Services Authority) Phone: (317) 298-6570 ext 103 FAX: (317) 328-2380 In-state WATS: (800) 733-1899 ext 103 e-mail: dennis@palni.edu Home Page: http://incolsa.palni.edu/~dennis Project Hi-Net Page: http://hinet.palni.edu =============================================================== From sfischer at infolink.org Thu Jan 7 12:00:14 1999 From: sfischer at infolink.org (Susan Fischer) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: Netscape 4.? Message-ID: <9901071702.AA01137@ilalpha.infolink.org> I was wondering if anyone has experienced similar problems to the one I'm having. I'm attempting to upgrade from Netscape 3.04 to any stand-alone version of 4. I've tried to install 4.03, 4.05, and 4.08. After the installation completes, I get a GPF in kernel32.dll (which I have upgraded). I have tried upgrading over the existing version, as well as uninstalling the current version and then installing the updates. I have also performed the usual diagnostics on the system, e.g. defrag, etc. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Susan Fischer Information Systems East Brunswick Public Library 2 Jean Walling Civic Center East Brunswick, NJ 08816 (732) 390-6765 (ph) (732) 390-6796 (fax) e-mail: sfischer@infolink.org From nealej at libmail.sysadm.suny.edu Thu Jan 7 13:14:47 1999 From: nealej at libmail.sysadm.suny.edu (Jane Neale) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: Netscape plug-ins and helpers Message-ID: Hi, I am forwarding this question for a colleague. Please reply to either the list or me, and I will forward. The list archives don't seem to address this specific question. I have a question about managing plug-in applications in Netscape 4.0. It appears the Netscape plug-ins will not permit editing, or removal. When you go to helper applications and chose one of the plug-ins, the only available option is new type. Is there a way to change from these Netscape plug-ins to another application or a competing plug-in? Thanks very much, Jane ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________ Jane C. Neale Information Technology Coordinator SUNY/OCLC Network State University Plaza Albany, NY 12246 e-mail: nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu T (800) 342-3353 F (518) 432-4346 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________ From BOUCHARD at LIB.IS.TCU.EDU Thu Jan 7 13:22:31 1999 From: BOUCHARD at LIB.IS.TCU.EDU (Kerry Bouchard) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: Computer Services Librarian position in Fort Worth, TX Message-ID: <01J69C775TCG00PBNK@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU> The Mary Couts Burnett Library at Texas Christian University is seeking an entry level Computer Support Librarian. This position is responsible for: 1) Managing a 45-station networked computer lab, including staffing and training student workers, providing technical and research assistance to students working in the lab, and acting as liaison to the campus computing center that maintains lab hardware and the LAN; 2) Maintaining the library's public and internal Web sites; 3) Training and assisting staff with microcomputer applications; 4) Four to eight hours per week work at the Reference desk; and 5) supervision of a Library Assistant II and 10-15 student workers. The position reports to the Assistant University Librarian for Automated Systems. Requirements: MLS from an ALA-accredited library school; experience using online systems and Internet resources; demonstrated proficiency at using the HTML markup language; experience using relational databases; experience with software installation and troubleshooting; strong communications skills. Previous experience with computer networks, academic libraries, and authoring of training materials and courses desirable. Preference will be given to candidates whose applications are received by 2/15/1999. Starting salary, $28,000 - $30,000. Interested applicants should send resumes, cover letter, and the names of three references to June Koelker, MCBL, TCU, Box 298400, Fort Worth, TX 76129. EEO/AAE. From ann.kucera at attws.com Thu Jan 7 14:20:48 1999 From: ann.kucera at attws.com (Kucera, Ann) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape plug-ins and helpers Message-ID: According to our PC help desk, the only way to get rid of the plug ins is to uninstall Netscape and reinstall it without the plug ins. I need to do this myself pretty soon - not looking forward to it. I asked if there was anything I should know/do before uninstalling and the support guy suggested that I copy my bookmark.htm file to another directory before uninstalling. I can then copy it back to the Netscape directory after I reinstall. If there are any other problems anyone can think of with this, I would be grateful to hear about them. > ---------- > From: Jane Neale[SMTP:nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu] > Reply To: nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape plug-ins and helpers > > Hi, > > I am forwarding this question for a colleague. Please reply to either the > list or me, and I will forward. The list archives don't seem to address > this > specific question. > > I have a question about managing plug-in applications in Netscape 4.0. It > appears the Netscape plug-ins will not permit editing, or removal. When > you > go to helper applications and chose one of the plug-ins, the only > available > option is new type. Is there a way to change from these Netscape plug-ins > to another application or a competing plug-in? > > Thanks very much, > > Jane > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ____________________ > Jane C. Neale > Information Technology Coordinator > SUNY/OCLC Network > State University Plaza > Albany, NY 12246 > e-mail: nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu > > T (800) 342-3353 > F (518) 432-4346 > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ____________________ > From dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz Thu Jan 7 14:48:37 1999 From: dianna.roberts at opus.co.nz (Dianna M Roberts) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: FW: Submitting websites to search engines Message-ID: <004501be3a76$b80f1260$ad048797@grpc063.wcs.co.nz> Dear Web4libbers, Thanks to all of you who have responded. To anyone else who is interested in this topic, and who doesn't already subscribe to the excellent newsletter Freepint http://www.freepint.co.uk/ there is some useful stuff included in their latest issue received today. Regards, Dianna ******************************************************************** Dianna Roberts, Manager TeLIS (The Library & Information Service) Opus International Consultants, P O Box 12004, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Ph. 0064-4-4717250 Fax. 0064-4-4731075 ******************************************************************** -----Original Message----- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Web site promotion From: Various Date: January 1999 We continue to receive a horde of emails asking how to drive more traffic to Web sites and promote them effectively with the smallest budget. We have covered this in a number of past issues ... Web Site Promotion Ideas . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.freepint.co.uk/issues/121198.htm First Amongst Equals (Search Engine Placement) . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.freepint.co.uk/issues/230798.htm Web Site Marketing - How do they do that? . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.freepint.co.uk/issues/110698.htm The International Marketing Power of Domain Names . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.freepint.co.uk/issues/020498.htm ... but here are some more suggestions ... "My Internet in Print Index lists over 160 Internet magazines and magazines with Internet columns available at: http://www.hw.ac.uk/libWWW/irn/inprint.html Announcing services can guarantee some hits, especially: Whatsnew.com ..... http://www.whatsnew.com/whatsnew/ What's New Too! .. http://newtoo.manifest.com/today.html The announcing newsgroups don't seem to be very effective nowadays." Roddy MacLeod, Senior Faculty Librarian, Heriot-Watt University "How do you attract visitors to your website with the smallest possible budget? Why, pose an interesting question to the thousands of subscribers to a high-quality free internet publication, of course!" Jenny Gristock - http://www.sussex.ac.uk/prpk1/index.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Feedback on Free Pint From: Various Date: December 1998 and January 1999 "Whew ... I signed up for your newsletter and haven't looked back since. I am absolutely astonished. Very professional and very helpful, plenty of humour without losing the point(pint) ..." James van Etten - http://www.vanettenillusions.com/ "Let me truthfully say that yours is one of only three e-zine I make a point of reading as soon as it hits my mail box. Most I skim; some I deep-six at once, if they're in the middle of a herd of other stuff. Why? 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Phone: (920) 236-5204 Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) 236-5227 http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ ________________________________________________________________________ From sdk at mindspring.com Thu Jan 7 16:41:30 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Calendar Message-ID: <007d01be3a86$7d8d6640$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/calendar.html Shirl Kennedy Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ -----Original Message----- From: bmazin To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Calendar >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE3985.B6C5C300 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >We are planning to mount an extensive community calendar on our home = >page. 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> > >------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE3985.B6C5C300-- > From tiezzi at csl.com.au Thu Jan 7 17:58:20 1999 From: tiezzi at csl.com.au (Tony Iezzi) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990108095820.006a65d4@mail.interconnect.com.au> Hello, I'm looking for help in working out how to write a script that accesses a program on a stand alone computer. The script must work from inside a web page and must activate the programs executable file. Eventually we will be putting all of this onto a corporate web site, but for now stand alone is fine. I'm using Frontpage 98 and manual, and there's much explanation about JavaScript and VBScript to do all sorts of fancy things on a web site, but nothing about running a program. Maybe I'm missing something here..... I would be forever grateful if anyone can explain it to me in English. Thankyou in advance, Tony Iezzi CSL Research librarian From LuckDL at apsu.edu Thu Jan 7 18:19:49 1999 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: FW: [4] Midwinter Discussion: Internet Resource Potpourri Message-ID: Internet Resource Potpourri Sunday, January 31, 10:00-1:00 Philadelphia Marriott, Salon G Join us in Philadelphia for "Internet Resource Potpourri," a series of managed discussions sponsored by LITA's Internet Resources Interest Group. Discussion leaders will introduce six varied topics (described below), followed by audience discussion. Be prepared to share your experiences, opinions, and questions! (If you'd like to get involved in the IRIG, please attend our business meeting, Sat. 1/30, 2:00-4:00, MAR 403.) 10:00-11:20 "Collection Development For Internet Sites" Judith Hiott and Syma Zerkow, Houston Public Library Houston Public Library's procedures for selecting, evaluating and maintaining sites on its "Internet Links" page. 10:00-11:20 "Creating And Publishing Community Information Files" David Clapp, Chattanooga-Hamilton County Bicentennial Library Introduces three community databases in Chattanooga-Hamilton County's CARL system & the MARC format for community files, and covers the creation, maintenance, publication, and strong public and government support for these and similar initiatives. 10:00-11:20 "Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Sources on WWW" Steve Stone, University of Kentucky Discussion of the wealth of GIS information available on the WWW, where the best sources are, and what librarians would like to see that isn't out there yet. 11:40-1:00 "Career Education and Technology K-12" Sharlene Miller-Ballas and Carla Sproull, Craig House Community partnerships, documented job shadowing experiences, multimedia research, and collaboration will enable the student to create a web page listing the responsibilities, qualifications, salary, and outlook for future employment of various careers. 11:40-1:00 "Linking Distributed Metadata Collections: The Isaac Network" Aimee Glassel and Debra Shapiro, Internet Scout Project The Internet Scout Project's Isaac Network is one of several new initiatives that are creating virtual collections of quality Internet resources by linking multiple geographically distributed metadata collections. 11:40-1:00 "Agitated about Aggregators?" Jack Pontius, Pennsylvania State University A discussion of full text newspaper providers available from three of the largest Aggregators--American Universe (Lexis Nexis), Dow Jones, and UMI Proquest Direct. Which titles are where and for what years? Is it the Allentown Morning Call or the Morning Call (Allentown, PA)? Which aggregator has the best holdings for elite newspapers (NY Times, Wall Street Journal, etc.)? Which has the best holdings for your state? How much duplication is there? Which has the best holdings for foreign or ethnic American newspapers? Which search system is best? Thank you, DeAnne Luck, Internet Resources IG Co-chair Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu.edu From mmartin at fspl.lib.ar.us Thu Jan 7 18:22:15 1999 From: mmartin at fspl.lib.ar.us (Mary Martin) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: Just say no to Urban Legends References: <011501be37ff$a80ff9c0$ccea48cf@highlander> Message-ID: <369541A6.7B93AAEA@fspl.lib.ar.us> This is true! Really, I heard it from... I know this guy whose neighbor, a young man, was home recovering from having been served a rat in his bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken. So anyway, one day he went to sleep and when he awoke he was in his bathtub and it was full of ice and he was sore all over. When he got out of the tub he realized that HIS KIDNEYS HAD BEEN STOLEN and he saw a note on his mirror that said "Call 911!" But he was afraid to use his phone because it was connected to his computer, and there was a virus on his computer that would destroy his hard drive if he opened an e-mail entitled "Join the crew!" He knew it wasn't a hoax because he himself was a computer programmer who was working on software to save us from Armageddon when the year 2000 rolls around. And it's a little-known fact that the Y1K problem caused the Dark Ages. His program will prevent a global disaster in which all the computers get together and distribute the $600 Neiman-Marcus cookie recipe under the leadership of Bill Gates. (It's true I read it all last week in a mass e-mail from BILL GATES HIMSELF, who was also promising me a free Disney World vacation and $5,000 if I would forward the e-mail to everyone I know.) The poor man then tried to call 911 from a pay phone to report his missing kidneys, but reaching into the coin-return slot he got jabbed with an HIV-infected needle around which was wrapped a note that said, "Welcome to the world of AIDS." Luckily he was only a few blocks from the hospital-the one where that little boy who is dying of cancer is, the one whose last wish is for everyone in the world to send him an e-mail and the American Cancer Society has agreed to pay him a nickel for every e-mail he receives. I sent him two e-mails and one of them was a bunch of X's and O's in the shape of an angel (if you get it and forward it to 20 people you will have good luck but if to 10 people you will only have OK luck and if you send it to less than 10 people you will have BAD LUCK FOR SEVEN YEARS). So anyway the poor guy tried to drive himself to the hospital, but on the way he noticed another car driving along without its lights on. To be helpful, he flashed his lights at him and was promptly shot as part of a gang initiation. STOP THE INSANITY! NO URBAN LEGEND EMAIL STRINGS IN 1999! From lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu Thu Jan 7 18:35:53 1999 From: lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: ULS Discussion Group at Midwinter Message-ID: <199901072349.SAA21986@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> The ACRL University Libraries Section Current Topics Discussion Group invites you to join us for a stimulating discussion of a "hot topic" at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia. WHAT: "Education vs. Training: Assessing Student Learning Outcomes" WHO: Debra Gilchrist, Director of Pierce College Library, will speak on outcomes assessment of learning/education. Trudi Jacobson, Coordinator of User Education Programs at SUNY/Albany, will cover education vs. training. WHEN: Saturday, January 30th from 2:00-4:00pm WHERE: Philadelphia Convention Center, Room 202B The Discussion Group is sponsored by the ULS Current Topics Planning Committee. See you there! Louise S. Sherby, Chair ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** From nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com Thu Jan 7 22:43:16 1999 From: nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com (mike) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? References: <3.0.1.32.19990108095820.006a65d4@mail.interconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <36957ED4.5903F774@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> Hi! Think you might be looking in the wrong direction with VBcript and JavaScript. Look into using Active X controls. Active X is pretty slick, but it's Microsoft's, it is fully integrated into IE, and the plug in for Netscape is not free. Netscape 5 is suppose to offer some support for Active X. Try http://www.microsoft.com/com/activex.asp for additional info. Mike Nyerges http://www.canandaigua.k12.ny.us/academy/library/ Tony Iezzi wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for help in working out how to write a script that accesses a > program on a stand alone computer. The script must work from inside a web > page and must activate the programs executable file. Eventually we will be > putting all of this onto a corporate web site, but for now stand alone is > fine. > > I'm using Frontpage 98 and manual, and there's much explanation about > JavaScript and VBScript to do all sorts of fancy things on a web site, but > nothing about running a program. Maybe I'm missing something here..... > > I would be forever grateful if anyone can explain it to me in English. > > Thankyou in advance, > > Tony Iezzi > CSL Research librarian From hananc at bashan.co.il Fri Jan 8 00:20:17 1999 From: hananc at bashan.co.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? References: <36957ED4.5903F774@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> Message-ID: <36959591.DDF433BE@bashan.co.il> Hi What you are looking for is called PERL. PERL is a script langauge. The interpreter sits on your server, any server. You write simple programs and call them from your web pages. Tne programs can do almost anything, including running an executable. Of course, you can write complicates programs too. Start at http://www.perl.org With PERL, the sky is the limit -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From mgross at CAM.ORG Sun Jan 10 12:54:05 1999 From: mgross at CAM.ORG (Margaret Gross) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:03 2005 Subject: New Internet Guide for Librarians Message-ID: <3698E93D.EE267B0B@cam.org> New Internet Guide for Librarians Dear colleagues I would like to invite members of the List to take a look at the Librarians' Resource Centre http://www.sla.org/chapter/ctor/toolbox/resource/index.html The Librarians' Resource Centre is a compilation of internet resources organized for the practicing librarian.The web pages are hosted by Special Libraries Association, Toronto Chapter, and the searchable database is hosted by Andornot Consulting. The Librarians Resource Centre is arranged within three sections: Serving our Clients, Professional Development, Technical Services. The intent is to reflect the way we work, and to facilitate our informational research and retrieval. The home page includes a short mission statement, a site plan with links to the resource categories, and a searchable catalogue. Included are: Directories [telephone, postal, list forums & archives] Ready Reference [acronyms, almanacs, biographical, calendars, currency, dates, gazeteers, quotations, weather] Topical Guides [arranged by subject, includes government, law, country reports, news media, patents, standards, statistical sources, etc.] Business & Finance [Guides, news, companies, stock symbols, IPO, annual reports, finance, country reports] Engineering, Science & Technology Databases [Database vendors and free stuff] Citing Electronic References Library and Information Science [Resources, humour, image, ethics, mission, policies] Careers & Employment Magazines & Journals [Links to professional literature] Knowledge Management [KM, Competitive Intelligence, Learning Organizations] Internet/Intranet web page development Graphics,HTML,Intranets,Java/Javascript Web Site Evaluation Records Management Cataloguing Resources Computer Based Training Publishers, Vendors & Out-of-Print Sources The Librarians'Resource Centre is approved by the Argus Clearinghouse. You can read more about it in the Courier, SLA Toronto Chapter's Newsletter "An Information Source for the Profession" http://www.sla.org/chapter/ctor/courier/v36/v36n2a4.htm I look forward to your comments and recommendations, thank you -- -----oooooooo000000oooooooo----- Margaret Gross, MLS Spar Aerospace Ltd. 21025 Trans Canada Highway Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue, Qc Canada H9X 3R2 tel. (514)457-2150 fax. (514)425-3048 email corp: mgross@spar.ca email home: mgross@cam.org "Success is a state of mind" "La r?ussite est un ?tat d'esprit" -----oooooooo000000oooooooo----- From transit at primenet.com Sun Jan 10 21:20:02 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines In-Reply-To: <36948211.AE0FACC2@durak.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, sean dreilinger wrote: > Hanan Cohen wrote: > > I would like to direct you to an article titled "Search Sites' Shocking > > Secrets -- They Stink. They're Getting Worse. And It's Deliberate" at > > http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_2432.html . > > this editorial gives us a provocative helping of search engine issues. > this *may* be a vehicle to drive traffic to other online articles by > this publisher. the 18 responses from readers are of special interest to > library webmeisters and information professionals. the reader comments > reveal user expectations of web-based internet search services, and > highlight the statements about information services users find the most > disturbing (factual or otherwise :-). What does everyone think about Altavista? It's just about the only one I use anymore. It's searching features (particularly advanced searching) seem to be the most flexible and powerful (you can combine phrase and word searches, by judicious use of the +, - and quotes). I use it for all sorts of searches, both technical (medical, scientific) and non-technical (i.e. looking for company web sites, entertainment figures, etc.) and can generally find what I'm looking for (within the first few hits, anyway) without feeling that I'm being "steered" to some particular web site because someone paid Altavista or something like that. The only thing I don't like is when it pulls up extra-large (>100 K) "pages" in response to a search. Usually these are not web pages as such but "server logs" and other information of somewhat limited interest. Occasionally, a pornographic web site will also be a page with a large amount of text--usually from a 300K English dictionary in the meta tags, just to get it to show up in the search engine. From transit at primenet.com Sun Jan 10 21:22:28 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Community Calendar In-Reply-To: <001b01be39c8$c4e90300$6b725cc7@Beth350> Message-ID: > > We are planning to mount an extensive community calendar on our home = > page. The calendar will be in the form of a searchable database, with = > event information entered by local organizations using web-based forms. = > I have seen implementations of this on the web, but not by libraries off = > of library home pages. Is anyone out there in libraryland doing this = > for their town? If so, can you send me, or the list, your URL? Also, = > is anyone linking the event information to MARC community information = > records in their online web catalog? =20 Not a library, but check out http://socata.lerctr.org/cal2.cgi. The calendar is a text file that's edited offline, uploaded and reformatted by the cgi script. I also have under development another script that enables users to edit the calendar online. Another online calendar is available at http://www.awsd.com From u1019306 at warwick.net Sun Jan 10 21:59:11 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Submitting websites to search engines References: Message-ID: <369968FF.6775CA13@warwick.net> "Charles P. Hobbs" wrote: >What does everyone think about Altavista? AltaVista is the best because it is the most powerful. Northern Light (http://www.northernlight.com) is another major service--so many users overlook one of its most compelling features: the presorted folders of topical sites on the left side of the screen, which in turn may be searched for improved results. But, why choose when you can have them all? Just use Proteus or Proteus Advanced Search: * http://www.thrall.org/proteus.html * http://www.thrall.org/proadv.html Proteus is also a great way to see how different search engines fare on the same search terms. The results are often stunning! I recently upgraded the Advanced Search too, and that can really help you get to a very limited set of results, which tend to be more relevant than hits coming from general/simple searches. It's also handy as you neither have to remember to + or - or " " query terms nor need to recall the engine- specific commands (e.g. title: in AltaVista)--although I recommend users take the time to learn about each search engine's strengths and unique set of options. Links to those help pages are also available directly via Proteus. Robert rjtiess@warwick.net http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess From hananc at mirkam.org.il Mon Jan 11 01:54:16 1999 From: hananc at mirkam.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:03 2005 Subject: Submitting websites to search engines References: Message-ID: <3699A018.E20827C4@mirkam.org.il> Charles P. Hobbs wrote: > What does everyone think about Altavista? Not everyone, just me. Currently I am using Google (http://www.google.com) for my "simple" searches. Goole seems to be the "Next Big Thing" and is quit good. When I can't find it there, I use AltaVista but only for their Advanced search. -- Hanan Cohen Kiryat Gat - Central Library Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il ***Love and Peace*** From sdk at mindspring.com Mon Jan 11 09:18:12 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: MS Exchange -- extracting e-mail addresses Message-ID: <004301be3d6d$390aeee0$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> I want to create an online e-mail directory to add to our Web site. Our MIS Department, of course, "doesn't have" this information in any sort of viable format. Seems to me, however, that there must be some way of extracting it from the address book in MS Exchange. Has anyone ever done anything like this? I am no Exchange guru, but I'm willing to experiment. Shirl Kennedy Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ From snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Jan 11 11:06:22 1999 From: snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: MARS Midwinter Meetings Message-ID: The schedule for the meetings of MARS (Machine Assisted Reference Service) of RUSA (Reference and User Services) at ALA's Midwinter Conference is available at http://libweb.uoregon.edu/mars/midwin99.html Meetings are open and anyone interested in becoming involved in MARS activities are encouraged to attend. Sara Brownmiller snb@darkwing.uoregon.edu MARS Scheduling Coordinator 541/346-2368 University of Oregon Library 541/346-3485 (fax) 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Mon Jan 11 11:08:56 1999 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990111100856.009a2100@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> I have a set of NT 4.0 workstations from which we allow limited access to several subscribed online databases (but NOT to the Internet in general-- the filter is based on Netscape's "Manual Proxy Configuration" settings, per Andy Mutch's advice). For reasons having to do with the ADA, we want to allow full internet access to a certain pool of users. I would think it should be possible to create multiple Netscape user profiles, and to force Netscape to choose a particular profile, without user interaction, based either on a command line variable, or based directly on what account is logged on. Anybody know any way of doing either of these? Frankly, if I can get Netscape to choose it's profile based on a command line arguement, I can find a workaround from there easily enough... Thanks! James From mconroy at ohionet.org Mon Jan 11 11:53:59 1999 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (mconroy@ohionet.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: (Job) OHIONET openings Message-ID: <0DFCC88B5925D2119EDF00A0C9CE02DF0FFA04@OHIONETSERVER> OHIONET is seeking experienced librarians to fill full-time and part-time positions. 1. OCLC Services Representative (full-time) Responsibilities: Handle sales of all OCLC services in the geographic territory served by OHIONET (currently Ohio and parts of Pennsylvania and West Virginia). Travel (about 40%) to libraries, conferences and regional meetings to make presentations and proposals to individuals and groups. Requirements: Bachelor's Degree, preferred MLS from an ALA-accredited school. Minimum of three years relevant experience in the library field. Experience in sales or sales-related activities involving technology solutions, preferably library systems. Ability to work with diverse staff in member libraries, work with limited supervision, set priorities, manage time, organize, and exercise initiative and good judgment. Valid Ohio driver's license or ability to obtain. Salary: Dependent on qualifications (mid to high 30s). Excellent benefits. 2. OCLC Services Coordinator (part-time) Responsibilities: Develop and present workshops on OCLC Cataloging services, MARC formats, and AACR2 at OHIONET and at member library sites. Provide support for OCLC services via phone, mail, e-mail, or in person. Requirements: Bachelor's Degree, preferred MLS from an ALA-accredited school. Minimum of 2 years relevant work experience within a library. Familiar with OCLC cataloging processes. Skillful in developing solutions to day-to-day problems. Demonstrated ability in oral and written communications. Salary: hourly rate commensurate with experience, no benefits for part-time position of approximately 20 hours per week Send, fax, or e-mail application letter with salary requirement, resume, and the names, addresses and phone numbers of three references to Michael P. Butler, Executive Director, OHIONET, 1500 W. Lane Ave., Columbus, OH 43221, fax 614-486-1527, or e-mail barb@ohionet.org OHIONET is a not-for-profit membership organization serving all types of libraries in Ohio and neighboring states. For more information see our web site at http://ohionet.org [posted by Larry Trover, OHIONET ltrover@ohionet.org; 800/686-8975 ext 37] From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Jan 11 13:22:36 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID Message-ID: <990111132236.13b98@sals.edu> >For reasons having to do with the ADA, we want to allow full internet >access to a certain pool of users. I would think it should be possible to >create multiple Netscape user profiles, and to force Netscape to choose a >particular profile, without user interaction, based either on a command >line variable, or based directly on what account is logged on. I don't know how Netscape stores its settings, but you can do what you want with Internet Explorer. Most, if not all, IE settings can be customized to each user profile. You could have a generic public account for most uses and log into a special account when necessary. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Mon Jan 11 13:34:56 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape profiles vs. logon ID References: <3.0.32.19990111100856.009a2100@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <369A4450.A9E00EB9@am.appstate.edu> I believe your looking for the -P "profilename" parameter. A list of Communicator's Command line parameters can be found at http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/deploymt/options.htm I don't know if this will work with the stand alone Navigator or not. The command line options are categorized by OS. There may be a different page for Navigator. I just found the page Friday, what a coincidence. Thomas James Klock wrote: > I have a set of NT 4.0 workstations from which we allow limited access to > several subscribed online databases (but NOT to the Internet in general-- > the filter is based on Netscape's "Manual Proxy Configuration" settings, > per Andy Mutch's advice). > For reasons having to do with the ADA, we want to allow full internet > access to a certain pool of users. I would think it should be possible to > create multiple Netscape user profiles, and to force Netscape to choose a > particular profile, without user interaction, based either on a command > line variable, or based directly on what account is logged on. > > Anybody know any way of doing either of these? Frankly, if I can get > Netscape to choose it's profile based on a command line arguement, I can > find a workaround from there easily enough... > > Thanks! > > James From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Jan 11 15:58:10 1999 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: Changes to search engines (was Submitting websites to search engines) In-Reply-To: <199901112012.MAA25117@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <001301be3da5$18c626d0$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Search engine evaluation comes up fairly frequently on this list, but perhaps not frequently enough to track the rapid changes that are occuring in the web search playing field. We've had some discussion of metasearch engines and portals, but what about other "new" approaches to searching the web? In particular, has anyone seriously evaluated Alexa? Alexa, for those who aren't familiar with it, is Brewster Kahle's response to the problem that the web is growing much faster than the search engine databases. His product offers a "what's related" set of links for any particular web page you visit. So the idea is that you find one web page using AV or whatever, then follow the Alexa links to better sites. Ancillary services include a rating service and an archive of deleted pages (so if you get a 404 not found Alexa can give you a copy of the page as it appeared last time Kahle's company archived it). The interesting thing is that the data for measuring relatedness comes from a Salton style distance vector comparison of words appearing within sites, plus a traffic analysis of what pages Alexa users tend to jump to. So it moves away from the 2 dominant search paradigms to date: hand-cataloging of top sites, and keyword search of the contents of pages. There are, of course, privacy and intellectual property issues associated with the Kahle initiative. But what I'm interested in is your current opinion as to whether the product actually provides an effective tool for finding things on the web. For more details on Alexa and/or to download their (free) software see http://www.alexa.com JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From lydia at sylvia.harvard.edu Mon Jan 11 16:02:54 1999 From: lydia at sylvia.harvard.edu (lydia) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? In-Reply-To: <199901092013.MAA22265@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: In response to Tom Klingler's announcement, >> Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? >> The LITA Secure Systems & Services Interest Group is presenting an >> informal managed discussion at ALA Midwinter in Philadelphia on the >> use of cookies and tokens for authentication. Richard Goerwitz wrote (in part): > ...I hope you'll also answer the criticism that domain-based > cookies, like the ones you're using, are positively the worst kind, > because they cannot easily be intercepted by reverse proxies. > Cookies (domain or machine-based) can't be intercepted at all by > URL-rewriting systems used in many institutions, such as the UVa and > Harvard. Actually, rewriting cookies in a URL-rewriting system _is_ possible if you're willing to mess with the HTTP headers as well as just the HTML source. The current Harvard proxy system does have this functionality, and it handles cookies just fine. We simply rewrite cookies along with rewriting URLs. I grant that there are a number of other significant limitations to the URL-rewriting proxy strategy. (Among the most notable of these, I would say, would be the impossibility of handling any java- or javascript-generated URLs and the not inconsiderable time-sink of accommodating irregular usages of HTTP.) Still, for the record, handling cookies is not automatically one of these limitations. Now, trying to script a connection to a login-restricted system that requires cookies... _that_ is a problem. (And if the site also has a cap on the number of simultaneous users permitted from the account in question, I don't believe there's any way around this one.) ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Lydia Ievins, Systems Librarian Office for Information Systems phone 617/495-3724; fax 617/495-0491 Harvard University Library ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ From nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com Mon Jan 11 17:17:45 1999 From: nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com (mike) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID References: <369A4450.A9E00EB9@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <369A7889.EF292D9@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> Assuming that you're using Netscape 4.x, those settings are found in the JavaScript file prefs.js. You can increase your security by writing these preferences to the workstation each time a user logs as part of a login script. Settings could be matched to NT groups. The settings in a particular prefs.js would reflect the group a user belongs to. I'm assuming that NT allows this user-level control. I'd be surprised if it did not. This approach would also allow you to centrally handle this at any desktop on the network. Just a thought, a possible direction. Mike Nyerges http://www.canandaigua.k12.ny.us/academy/library/ TMGB wrote: > I believe your looking for the -P "profilename" parameter. A list of > Communicator's Command line parameters can be found at > > http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/deploymt/options.htm > > I don't know if this will work with the stand alone Navigator or not. The > command line options are categorized by OS. There may be a different page for > Navigator. I just found the page Friday, what a coincidence. > > Thomas > > James Klock wrote: > > > I have a set of NT 4.0 workstations from which we allow limited access to > > several subscribed online databases (but NOT to the Internet in general-- > > the filter is based on Netscape's "Manual Proxy Configuration" settings, > > per Andy Mutch's advice). > > For reasons having to do with the ADA, we want to allow full internet > > access to a certain pool of users. I would think it should be possible to > > create multiple Netscape user profiles, and to force Netscape to choose a > > particular profile, without user interaction, based either on a command > > line variable, or based directly on what account is logged on. > > > > Anybody know any way of doing either of these? Frankly, if I can get > > Netscape to choose it's profile based on a command line arguement, I can > > find a workaround from there easily enough... > > > > Thanks! > > > > James From thom at indiana.edu Mon Jan 11 17:35:12 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: This is the second part in the 26 part Christy Paxson experiment In-Reply-To: <369A7889.EF292D9@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> Message-ID: in transmedia design. You will need the Flash plug-in to see Christy #2. I'm sending this to web4lib because I think the connections between what Bart is attempting and digital storytelling for both kids and adults should be very obvious. The limited way to think about this sort of design is to think of it as something which is consumed by kids and adults. It definitely works that way but this sort of design is even more interested when you think of teaching kids and adults digital storytelling and letting them create and spread their own stories. You will need to turn the lights and electricity off because they won't leave. I know because I've taught digital storytelling to folks from 4 to 70. The effect is the same once people realize that they can design their own stories complete with graphics, animation and sound, and send them everywhere. Bart is the B part of J&B on the Rox which was a local community access TV show which attracted the enmity of conservatives locally in southern Indiana but also the attention of Wired & Newsweek along with the Wall Street Journal and a chapter in a book on culture jamming. The Christy Paxson Show is part of Bart's MIME thesis in Telecommunications at Indiana University (www.mime.indiana.edu). 24 more episodes to come. Take a peak, have some patience and imagine the future of digital storytelling on the net and in your libraries. --thom ****** ChristyWeek -- the electronic newsletter devoted to the life and times of Christy Paxson. Volume 1 Issue 2 (See below for information about your subscription.) WHAT'S NEW ON THE WEBSITE Part II of "The Life of Christy" is complete and ready for your perusal. And there's now a Windows version of "Interactive Christy." Check it out and let us know what you think. SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION: ChristyWeek is an electronic newsletter -- a free, weekly e-mail that will keep you abreast of the happenings in Christy's life over the past seven days. You're receiving ChristyWeek because you subscribed (as outlined below). If you did not subscribe, you're probably receiving ChristyWeek via the roxlist or the mimesters list. Subscribing (and unsubscribing) is easy. To subscribe, just send an e-mail with the words "subscribe christyweek" in the subject or body of the message to webmaster@rox.com. You will be automatically be added to the subscription list by our sophisticated list-management software package. You will then receive an issue of ChristyWeek every Monday morning via e-mail. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe christyweek" in the subject or body of the message to webmaster@rox.com. Bart Everson ******* \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/dmd/immersion.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Mon Jan 11 17:46:21 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: wireless modems Message-ID: <369A7F3D.1FA8B0C5@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We are looking at the possibility of setting up a computer with a wireless modem that would connect to our circulation system. Has anyone done anything similar? Any recommendations on what to do/not do do, what products work/don't work? -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Mon Jan 11 18:05:54 1999 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990111170553.009a7b30@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Allow me to paraphrase what I think you're suggesting: Background: Netscape 4.x for Windows32 insists on having at least one User Profile, details of which are stored in the Windows registry (In the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Netscape\Netscape Navigator\Users key). If only one user profile exists, it will be chosen automatically. If more than one profile exists, the user will be prompted at runtime for which profile to choose, UNLESS the command line (ie the shortcut) includes a -P"profilename" parameter. If there is only one user profile on the machine, Netscape will automatically use that profile, which includes processing the PREFS.JS file found in the directory specified in the DirRoot string within the Windows registry. It should therefore be possible to create several PREFS.JS files, to reflect the desired preferrences for different users. These PREFS.JS files can be kept on the Primary Domain Controller, and the user or group login script can include a call to copy the PREFS.JS file desired for the current user to the DirRoot folder. I haven't played a lot with Windows NT login scripts, but I expect that they should be able to copy files from the server to the local machine, which is all that would be required of this technique. To use this workaround, each user must have write access to the PREFS.JS file. This could allow a user to make unauthorized changes to that file (although they would disappear when the next user logged on, as the changed PREFS.JS file would then get overwritten). While this is an intriguing notion, I have already successfully implemented a workaround using the -P"profilename" command line switch, which is worked into distinct shortcuts for each user. This worked well enough for me, because users do not generally have access to the Explorer, or to shortcuts that are not in the Start Menu of their own NT Profile. It was thus a simple matter to modify the shortcuts available to each user to specify the desired Netscape User Profile for the NT account that has access to that shortcut. At 02:20 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >Assuming that you're using Netscape 4.x, those settings are found in the >JavaScript file prefs.js. You can increase your security by writing these >preferences to the workstation each time a user logs as part of a login >script. Settings could be matched to NT groups. The settings in a particular >prefs.js would reflect the group a user belongs to. I'm assuming that NT >allows this user-level control. I'd be surprised if it did not. This approach >would also allow you to centrally handle this at any desktop on the network. From dkaiser at carl.org Mon Jan 11 18:07:46 1999 From: dkaiser at carl.org (Don Kaiser) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] wireless modems In-Reply-To: <369A7F3D.1FA8B0C5@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990111160746.00b145e0@carl.org> Several CARL libraries are either investigating or using cellular to connect to their bookmobiles. Please check out the following link to a paper we have on wireless connectivity on CARL's web site: http://www.carl.org/Libforum.html A successful implementation of wireless requires investigation of what is available in your area -- and what 'deals' your institution or governmental agency might have with cellular providers. Good Luck! At 02:49 PM 1/11/99 -0800, Thomas Edelblute wrote: |We are looking at the possibility of setting up a computer with a |wireless modem that would connect to our circulation system. Has anyone |done anything similar? Any recommendations on what to do/not do do, |what products work/don't work? | |-- |Thomas Edelblute |Anaheim Public Library | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Don Kaiser Director, Contracts and System Sales CARL Corporation Toll free: 888-439-CARL or 303-758-3030 Fax: 303-758-0606 E-Mail: dkaiser@carl.org From u1019306 at warwick.net Mon Jan 11 18:22:37 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: Alexa, archiving the web References: <001301be3da5$18c626d0$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <369A87BC.FFA238C3@warwick.net> JQ Johnson wrote: > Ancillary services include a rating service and an archive of deleted > pages (so if you get a 404 not found Alexa can give you a copy of the page > as it appeared last time Kahle's company archived it). I believe web archiving also yields an array of interesting questions, such as perhaps the 404 is there for good reason, such as a medical site in which there was inaccurate information and the page was removed on purpose. Or perhaps it was a news page which contained some amount of misinformation and was deleted to prevent any further problems. Or perhaps it was an author's work that was contracted to appear for only so long and then was to be removed. Or maybe it was removed by the ISP due to content/policy violations, or for copyright purposes, for security purposes, for personal or legal purposes.... All aspects worth considering. By its very nature, the 404 also tends to imply "old data," although it may result from many other reasons (e.g. bad URL, file renaming, directory moves, etc.). In any case I would never recommend using a cached web page as a definitive source of information. It is a convenient service, based in good intention, but old data, potentially bad data may be the greater inconvenience. An interesting quote from Alexa: "The average Web page has a life of approximately 44 days." (http://www.alexa.com/whatisalexa/faq.html) Not sure if I agree with this or how accurate that number is, but it is a potentially sobering indicator of how volatile the information is and how info-caches may rise in importance in the future. I do not take such a short term view of web development, placing an emphasis on a sound site structure before development. Some long-term planning beforehand could eliminate many 404s, as many of those are merely pages relocated to other areas of a server or another domain. I would also appeal to webmasters to leave forwarding URLs wherever major pages are moved; this would alleviate some of the frustration users experience when searching for information, especially in a time-intensive environment such as a library. Alexa indicates it observes robot exclusion (SRE), but how many sites have the robot file in place, or how many webmasters know/care enough to do this? Alexa has guidelines on this for webmasters: http://www.alexa.com/support/for_webmasters.html If you would like to have your site archived, you can go to http://www.alexa.com/support/get_archive.html It's actually a good idea, a form of insurance, but not the equivalent of a full remote backup. You can try Freedrive (http://www.freedrive.com) for that, and that's free. Robert rjtiess@warwick.net http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Mon Jan 11 20:55:26 1999 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard Goerwitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Got Milk? Got Cookies? Got Authentication? References: Message-ID: <369AAB8E.30504EB4@goon.stg.brown.edu> lydia wrote, regarding Harvard's URL-rewriting proxy system: > Actually, rewriting cookies in a URL-rewriting system _is_ possible if > you're willing to mess with the HTTP headers as well as just the HTML > source. The current Harvard proxy system does have this functionality, > and it handles cookies just fine. We simply rewrite cookies along with > rewriting URLs. Just curious: How to you handle domain-restricted cookies? E.g., if I'm a vendor with servers in the foo.bar.com domain (e.g., www.foo.bar.com, ejournals.foo.bar.com, dbases.foo.bar.com), and my web server sends back a domain=foo.bar.com cookie, how does the client know to send the cookie back to your URL-rewriting server? Or, assuming you rewrite the domain= part of the cookie, how do you avoid the client massing cookies for the URL rewriter? Incidentally, we tried to get URL rewriting working here at Brown, and never could get the blasted stuff to work satisfactorily, so (as I've said to some of you guys in person), you deserve congratulations, along with the UVa people, and others, on pulling it off. > Now, trying to script a connection to a login-restricted system that > requires cookies... _that_ is a problem. By login-restricted, you mean that it requires a username and password, I gather? We have a system that's very different from yours. Actually, most libraries do. Could you elaborate just a bit, for those of us out here who are interested in such matters, on what the problems are? -- Richard Goerwitz PGP key fingerprint: C1 3E F4 23 7C 33 51 8D 3B 88 53 57 56 0D 38 A0 For more info (mail, phone, fax no.): finger richard@goon.stg.brown.edu From nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com Mon Jan 11 21:00:58 1999 From: nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com (mike) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape profiles vs. logon ID References: <3.0.32.19990111100856.009a2100@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <369AACDA.99E94C86@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> The currents are swift. Just weeks ago, to customize Netscape preferences across a network required either an approximate $1,500 investment in a Netscape browser management tool or going it alone and working directly with prefs.js. Prefs.js is a JavaScript file on the workstation where Netscape 4.x saves many, if not all, of its user-set preferences. You can set up a set of prefs.js files to match groups of users. Preferences could be assigned to a user when he or she logs in using login scripts. (I'm assuming that NT allows user-level control. I'd be surprised if it did not.) When a user logins, the prefs.js is downloaded to the workstation with the appropriate settings. This would allow you to handle the desktop and access to the browser, network-wide. On the Windows 95 and, I imagine also the NT, desktop, Netscape 3.x is handled through the registry. You can handle settings network-wide using System Policies and writing a *.adm file for the registry settings that control many of the Netscape's user-set preferences. But because of the competition with IE and the easy availability of the Administrative Kits for handling user preferences over a network, Netscape is reoffering its Client Customization Kit for Netscape 4.x. and at first glance it appears free! Take a look at it. http://home.netscape.com/partners/distribution/index.html#custom. Mike Nyerges http://www.canandaigua.k12.ny.us/academy/library/ James Klock wrote: > I have a set of NT 4.0 workstations from which we allow limited access to > several subscribed online databases (but NOT to the Internet in general-- > the filter is based on Netscape's "Manual Proxy Configuration" settings, > per Andy Mutch's advice). > For reasons having to do with the ADA, we want to allow full internet > access to a certain pool of users. I would think it should be possible to > create multiple Netscape user profiles, and to force Netscape to choose a > particular profile, without user interaction, based either on a command > line variable, or based directly on what account is logged on. > > Anybody know any way of doing either of these? Frankly, if I can get > Netscape to choose it's profile based on a command line arguement, I can > find a workaround from there easily enough... > > Thanks! > > James From elist-web4lib at ircam.fr Tue Jan 12 06:52:27 1999 From: elist-web4lib at ircam.fr (elist-web4lib@ircam.fr) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog Message-ID: <199901121152.DAA15410@library.berkeley.edu> http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. With the help of a browser and an adequate freely-available plugin (see below), one can "stroll" through the reading hall, and find the contents of the shelves and cabinets by clicking on them: each one is linked to the appropriate part of the online catalog. This in turn will show the documents that are stored in that part of the room, and provide access to the individual bibliographical records (and related databases). What is needed: - a recent browser: this has been tested with Microsoft's Internet Explorer (version >= 4) and Netscape (>= 4) on a PC (it may also work on Macintoshes, SGI and other platforms, depending on the plugin). - a plugin for VRML (the above URL provides a link to the Cosmo plugin). - a relatively powerful machine: all computations are done on the client's platform, so if it's slow, it's not the fault of the Internet, this time. Happy virtual visit, Michael Fingerhut Director, Multimedia Library IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou Paris (France) From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Jan 12 07:10:20 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog Message-ID: <003401be3e24$86ea4f40$6a9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> After falling over the balcony and landing on my face two times and on my back three times, I gave up and started looking for the virtual fire exit. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -----Original Message----- From: elist-web4lib@ircam.fr To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:45 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog > http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html > >The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled >in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. > >With the help of a browser and an adequate freely-available plugin (see >below), one can "stroll" through the reading hall, and find the contents >of the shelves and cabinets by clicking on them: each one is linked to >the appropriate part of the online catalog. This in turn will show the >documents that are stored in that part of the room, and provide access >to the individual bibliographical records (and related databases). > >What is needed: > >- a recent browser: this has been tested with Microsoft's Internet Explorer > (version >= 4) and Netscape (>= 4) on a PC (it may also work on Macintoshes, > SGI and other platforms, depending on the plugin). >- a plugin for VRML (the above URL provides a link to the Cosmo plugin). >- a relatively powerful machine: all computations are done on the client's > platform, so if it's slow, it's not the fault of the Internet, this time. > >Happy virtual visit, > >Michael Fingerhut >Director, Multimedia Library >IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou >Paris (France) > From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Tue Jan 12 03:47:24 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID References: <3.0.32.19990111170553.009a7b30@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <369B0C1B.3052FA70@am.appstate.edu> James Klock, Thought you might want this tidbit of info. I haven't made any special login scripts but according to what I've read you use a .bat extension by default unless you want to make the login mandatory by creating the file NTuser.man. From a book I have, "Although users with mandatory profiles may be permitted to modify their desktops, changes are not saved to the profile. As a result, the user always logs on with the same environment settings." Another book has a note "Warning: You should not use the user environment profiles to start a program when the users log on unless the profile somehow depends on the user's name. The Startup folder provides a much easier method for running programs automatically." But it sounds like your use does depend on the user's name. I've been looking into using the logon script myself specifically to copy a default bookmarks.htm file to the public workstations, but the newest version of the Client Customization Kit allows you to set a default bookmark file. The problem is that the newest Client Customization Kit only supports Communicator and not the standalone Navigator. Netscape told me that Navigator 5.x will be supported by the CCK. Thomas James Klock wrote: > Allow me to paraphrase what I think you're suggesting: > Background: Netscape 4.x for Windows32 insists on having at least one User > Profile, details of which are stored in the Windows registry (In the > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Netscape\Netscape Navigator\Users key). If > only one user profile exists, it will be chosen automatically. If more > than one profile exists, the user will be prompted at runtime for which > profile to choose, UNLESS the command line (ie the shortcut) includes a > -P"profilename" parameter. > > If there is only one user profile on the machine, Netscape will > automatically use that profile, which includes processing the PREFS.JS file > found in the directory specified in the DirRoot string within the Windows > registry. > > It should therefore be possible to create several PREFS.JS files, to > reflect the desired preferrences for different users. These PREFS.JS files > can be kept on the Primary Domain Controller, and the user or group login > script can include a call to copy the PREFS.JS file desired for the current > user to the DirRoot folder. > > I haven't played a lot with Windows NT login scripts, but I expect that > they should be able to copy files from the server to the local machine, > which is all that would be required of this technique. > > To use this workaround, each user must have write access to the PREFS.JS > file. This could allow a user to make unauthorized changes to that file > (although they would disappear when the next user logged on, as the changed > PREFS.JS file would then get overwritten). > > While this is an intriguing notion, I have already successfully implemented > a workaround using the -P"profilename" command line switch, which is worked > into distinct shortcuts for each user. This worked well enough for me, > because users do not generally have access to the Explorer, or to shortcuts > that are not in the Start Menu of their own NT Profile. It was thus a > simple matter to modify the shortcuts available to each user to specify the > desired Netscape User Profile for the NT account that has access to that > shortcut. > > At 02:20 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Assuming that you're using Netscape 4.x, those settings are found in the > >JavaScript file prefs.js. You can increase your security by writing these > >preferences to the workstation each time a user logs as part of a login > >script. Settings could be matched to NT groups. The settings in a > particular >prefs.js would reflect the group a user belongs to. I'm > assuming that NT >allows this user-level control. I'd be surprised if it > did not. This approach >would also allow you to centrally handle this at > any desktop on the network. From dillonl at oclc.org Tue Jan 12 10:19:26 1999 From: dillonl at oclc.org (Dillon,Leslie) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: Cooperative Online Resource Catalog (CORC) Message-ID: This message is being cross-posted. Apologies for the duplication. ******* Subject: Cooperative Online Resource Catalog URL: http://purl.oclc.org/CORC ALERT! At ALA Midwinter, you have several opportunities to learn how you can participate in an exciting research project beginning this year at OCLC: the Cooperative Online Resource Catalog (CORC) project. We at OCLC think this project contains seeds that can grow into a resource as important to libraries as WorldCat is today. This can only happen, however, with the active participation of all kinds of libraries around the world. Besides developing a new resource this project will develop new models of collaboration among libraries and between OCLC and libraries as well as new products and services to enable this collaboration. Come hear about how OCLC is working with libraries to create the organizational infrastructure for this growing information mix. ( ONLINE RSVP and event details can be found at http://purl.oclc.org/CORC ) CORC: Project Overview for Cataloging FRIDAY, January 29, 9:00am - 11:30am Philadelphia Marriott, Salon K CORC: Project Overview for Library Managers FRIDAY, January 29, 2:00pm - 5:00pm Philadelphia Marriott, Salon K CORC: Resource description tools built with OCLC SiteSearch software SATURDAY, January 30, 8:00am - 9:30am Holiday Inn Express Midtown, Terrace Ballroom CORC: Resource description tools built with OCLC SiteSearch software MONDAY, February 1, 8:00am - 9:30am, Holiday Inn Express Midtown, Terrace Ballroom WHAT YOU'LL LEARN ... These presentations will provide a view of research and products in development at OCLC that will facilitate this cooperative effort. The research and development activities will support a cooperative effort to build a common knowledge base. They will also support the generation of locally customized portals capable of guiding patrons through the increasingly complex information environment. BACKGROUND The library user is, as Walt Kelly said through his comic book character Pogo, "surrounded by insurmountable opportunity" -- an often overwhelming information environment. In addition to the traditional information sources (catalogs, abstracting and indexing sources, print journals, books, and reference sources), the user now faces multiple electronic versions of these sources and an entirely new source of information, the Web. Libraries are rapidly moving to integrate all types of electronic resources into structures that guide their users in this complex environment. Library-based gateways, or "portals", are among the most promising approaches. Creating and maintaining truly inclusive portals is too enormous an effort for any single library. In fact, the level of effort demands a new co-operative effort among libraries. CORC - Cooperative Online Resource Catalog This pilot project just getting underway at OCLC brings together automated tools for selection, description, and classification with librarians understanding of users needs and the effective organization of information. The project will provide the libraries and their users with resources that can be integrated into the local portal site like dynamically-generated pathfinder pages and descriptive records for the local catalog as well as a central catalog of Web resources. How can I participate at ALA? If you're interested in attending any of the events at ALA Midwinter, please complete an ONLINE RSVP at http://purl.oclc.org/CORC/ALARSVP. ******* Taylor Surface e-mail: taylor_surface@oclc.org Program Director, CORC phone: +1 614 761 5145 OCLC Online Computer Library Center fax: +1 614 718 7497 From pfaff7570 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:46:47 1999 From: pfaff7570 at hotmail.com (sue pearce) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: Telnet and Fortress Message-ID: <199901121546.HAA17727@law-f119.hotmail.com> We have just gone on the colleges server and are having difficulties. With our previous provider we were able to use Fortress and be able to Telnet. The college uses a proxie server and they put the proxie software on all of our PC's. Now we can not telnet with any consistency. They claim it is Fortress that is causing the problem, but there are times that Fortress is on I can telnet and times that it is off that I can telnet. Any one that can give me a clue on what to tell our ITS people. Any one else have that problem? Sue Pearce Caldwell College pfaff7570@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Jan 12 10:54:52 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog In-Reply-To: <003401be3e24$86ea4f40$6a9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Message-ID: And the point of producing a virtual reproduction of your building is...what? (leaving aside the issues for now of requiring your patrons to download a large plugin, go through an installation procedure and then crash their computer...that's an added benefit). Roy On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Jerry Kuntz wrote: > After falling over the balcony and landing on my face two times and on my > back three times, I gave up and started looking for the virtual fire exit. > Jerry Kuntz > Ramapo Catskill Library System > jkuntz@rcls.org > -----Original Message----- > From: elist-web4lib@ircam.fr > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:45 AM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog > > > > http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html > > > >The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled > >in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. > > > >With the help of a browser and an adequate freely-available plugin (see > >below), one can "stroll" through the reading hall, and find the contents > >of the shelves and cabinets by clicking on them: each one is linked to > >the appropriate part of the online catalog. This in turn will show the > >documents that are stored in that part of the room, and provide access > >to the individual bibliographical records (and related databases). > > > >What is needed: > > > >- a recent browser: this has been tested with Microsoft's Internet Explorer > > (version >= 4) and Netscape (>= 4) on a PC (it may also work on > Macintoshes, > > SGI and other platforms, depending on the plugin). > >- a plugin for VRML (the above URL provides a link to the Cosmo plugin). > >- a relatively powerful machine: all computations are done on the client's > > platform, so if it's slow, it's not the fault of the Internet, this time. > > > >Happy virtual visit, > > > >Michael Fingerhut > >Director, Multimedia Library > >IRCAM - Centre Georges-Pompidou > >Paris (France) > > > > From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Tue Jan 12 11:02:57 1999 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990112100257.0099fe90@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> >Thought you might want this tidbit of info. [notes on managing NT logon scripts stripped] >Another book has a note "Warning: You should not use the user environment >profiles to start a program when the users log on unless the profile somehow >depends on the user's name. The Startup folder provides a much easier method >for running programs automatically." But it sounds like your use does depend >on the user's name. Thanks. I've actually already implemented a fix to my original problem using your earlier suggestion of specifying the profile to use at runtime via the -P"profilename" command line switch. In short, I've created a profile for each user, and I've created shortcuts which call the appropriate profile and placed them into each user's Start Menu as appropriate. The single greatest disadvantage of this scheme is that it involves changes made locally at the workstation registry to create and maintain the different profile information. The registry info can be locally controlled, but replicating it across several machines as and when things change may become a pain. James From smatwick at iisd.ca Tue Jan 12 12:04:51 1999 From: smatwick at iisd.ca (Stacy Matwick) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: New Look to our website Message-ID: (My apologies for any cross posting) http://iisd.ca IISDnet has grown considerably in size and in traffic over the past year, and the previous interface with the table of contents page was no longer sufficient for our purposes. Also, with the move towards knowledge networks, and our knowledge network sites (in particular, the SD Gateway), it became possible to reposition IISDnet as less of a "hub" for SD on the Internet, and focus it more closely on what IISD knows and does about sustainable development. This is not a redesign of the entire site, by the way -- you will notice that the graphics are not consistent throughout the site; and that the navigation aids -- search and site map for example, do not appear throughout the site. Our purpose was to fix some immediate problems with the old interface. We will run with this for next few months; a full redesign of the site will be done in conjunction with the implementation of a new vision / mission and strategic objectives for the institute. Our intent, both with this interface and a fuller redesign, is to tell people what we know about sustainable development, rather than telling them who we are as an institute (although the corporate information is a bit easier to find in this new version!). Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Thank you Stacy Matwick Information Assistant International Institute for Sustainable Development 161 Portage Ave., E. 6th floor Winnipeg, MB R3B 0Y4 Canada Voice: (204)958-7794 Fax: (204)958-7710 Email: smatwick@iisd.ca Website: http://iisd.ca From calumet at mindspring.com Tue Jan 12 02:43:25 1999 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: New Excite search features Message-ID: <4.1.19990112123932.00a846a0@mail.mindspring.com> Web4Lib Folks, As some of you probably know, Excite has added some new features to its search engine. You can enter certain types of searches in its query box and get a page of results more comprehensive than just relevant Web pages. These types of searches include sports teams, musical artists, and publicly-traded companies. I've written an article covering many aspects of this new searching option. You can access it at: http://www.coppersky.com/ongir/articles/allaboutexcite.html I hope this is helpful to you. Have a great week, Tara Tara Calishain calumet@mindspring.com Internet research news -- now in yummy E-MAIL flavor! http://www.coppersky.com/ongir/news From cpetrson at tsl.state.tx.us Tue Jan 12 12:48:29 1999 From: cpetrson at tsl.state.tx.us (Chris Peterson) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: 3 Positions/TX Message-ID: <2CDB5756E744D111A59E00805F857E8D72F39E@Grace.tsl.state.tx.us> TEXAS LIBRARY POSITIONS Join a diverse team of stimulating librarians who support the growth of Texas librarians while living in the beautiful central Texas area. Great professional development positions! The following positions all require some or frequent travel, as well as some evening and weekend work. Library Technology Consultant. Looking for someone whose expertise is technology, but who can clarify these issues for the non-technical librarian. Job duties include: 1) consulting with Texas librarians on topics related to library automation and technology and, 2) implementing a continuing education program in library automation and technology, technical services, and computer applications in libraries. Salary: $2,825 - $3,051/month Distance Learning Consultant. Help us define and implement a distance learning program. Job duties include coordinating distance learning activities for the Library Development Division, developing distance learning opportunities for Texas librarians, providing technical assistance to librarians concerning distance learning, and managing the content and workings of the web resources of the Division. Salary: $2,825 - $3,051/month Continuing Education Consultant. Looking for someone who will re-shape our current statewide continuing education program for non-degreed public library directors, as well as provide consulting and education in your own area of expertise. These areas may include cataloging, collection development, library construction, public relations/promotions, electronic database searching, government documents, or management issues. Job duties include consulting with Texas librarians, implementing a statewide program for non-degreed Texas public library directors, and implementing a statewide program of continuing education on current topics in library science. Salary: $2,489 - $2,688/month For more information on any of the above positions, please contact Human Resources Office, Texas State Library and Archives Commission, PO Box 12927, Austin, TX 78711; 512-463-5474; esmeralda.moreno@tsl.state.tx.us, or see "State Library Positions" on http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/. All positions open until filled. The Texas State Library and Archives Commission is an equal opportunity employer. From mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us Tue Jan 12 15:46:13 1999 From: mhackett at co.montgomery.tx.us (Mary Hackett) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: Netscape:deleting short history list at location bar Message-ID: <369BB495.51B330A6@co.montgomery.tx.us> Is there a way to delete the short "history list" that displays when you click the down arrow at the location bar?. I've tried deleting the whole history file but the short list still appears. Thank you From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Jan 12 16:21:39 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape:deleting short history list at location bar Message-ID: Mary, If you are running the newest versions of Netscape 4.08 - Under Edit - Preferences - there is a button at the bottom of the first menu that will allow you to clear the location bar. If not, you have to try this: This is a page I put together that describes how to clear the location bar in Netscape version 4.x: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~nort/tech/location.htm If that still doesn't help - it requires editing the prefs.js file - or, if you are using an earlier version of Netscape, you'll have to go into the Registry to clean things out - this even occasionally happens with Netscape 4.x. There is a link to the Netscape Knowledge Base page at the bottom of the page listed above but for convenience, the URL for that page is: http://help.netscape.com/kb/client/961024-3.html Let me know if that helps. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Mary Hackett wrote: > Is there a way to delete the short "history list" that displays when you > click the down arrow at the location bar?. > I've tried deleting the whole history file but the short list still > appears. > Thank you > From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Jan 12 16:41:41 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: Using NetMeeting to interact with remote patrons Message-ID: <000201be3e74$575a0b80$415ccc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> We are currently investigating using Microsoft NetMeeting to interact with our patrons outside of the library. It will be used for our "Talk to a Librarian" service. I won't and don't want to discuss the pros and cons of using Microsoft NetMeeting versus Netscape's product. Our college wide standard is Microsoft IE and related products. We are not a IBM Thinkpad University with growing numbers of Thinkpads and growing connectivity for our students and faculty. My questions concern such things as: 1. what is the best directory server to point to? 2. anyone doing it now? 3. any problems? I pointed to uls.microsoft.com. It does not seem to be very stable. Are there other public servers that are stable? Does the State University of New York have such a server up and running? -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: -- From nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com Tue Jan 12 19:05:37 1999 From: nyerges at cheshire.roc.servtech.com (mike) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape profiles vs. logon ID References: <3.0.32.19990112100257.0099fe90@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <369BE351.B7738357@cheshire.roc.servtech.com> To overcome the need to manage individual workstations for the different Netscape profiles you wish to set for your users, I wonder if NT allows you to assign these profiles on the login. On Novell, I'd do it by using a login script along the lines of "IF member of "group" THEN #Drive\path\copyAPPRORPIATE_prefs_js.BAT," where # signifies the running of an external command and the .bat file copies the prefs.js to the workstation. This way, anytime I have a member of a group logging in, he or she gets the predetermined preferences for that group. The next time someone logs in, he or she gets the preferences for their group, which may be different from the previous user. I have as many "If..Then" statements as I have groups in order to handle Netscape's preferences at all the desktops on my network. This avoids having to go to individual workstations. Does NT support this approach? I'd be interested in knowing how you resolve this. We're still standardized on Netscape 3.02 and we've got a couple of hundred of machines. But I've got 26 workstations in the library and I'm putting 4.08 on them now. So I need to get this done. I'm planning to go the on-the-login route. I'd be interested in knowing how you resolve this. Thanks! Mike Nyerges http://www.canandaigua.k12.ny.us/academy/library/ James Klock wrote: > >Thought you might want this tidbit of info. > [notes on managing NT logon scripts stripped] > >Another book has a note "Warning: You should not use the user environment > >profiles to start a program when the users log on unless the profile somehow > >depends on the user's name. The Startup folder provides a much easier method > >for running programs automatically." But it sounds like your use does > depend > >on the user's name. > > Thanks. I've actually already implemented a fix to my original problem > using your earlier suggestion of specifying the profile to use at runtime > via the -P"profilename" command line switch. In short, I've created a > profile for each user, and I've created shortcuts which call the > appropriate profile and placed them into each user's Start Menu as > appropriate. > > The single greatest disadvantage of this scheme is that it involves changes > made locally at the workstation registry to create and maintain the > different profile information. The registry info can be locally > controlled, but replicating it across several machines as and when things > change may become a pain. > > James From chightow at gort.ucsd.edu Tue Jan 12 19:44:51 1999 From: chightow at gort.ucsd.edu (Christy Hightower) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: Search extended: job at UC San Diego Message-ID: SEARCH EXTENDED HEAD, SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING LIBRARY, University of California, San Diego (http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/fac/s&ehead.htm). Associate Librarian II-VI, $41,328 - $56,844, or Librarian I-IV, $53,052 - $66,780. Department Stipend: additional $250/month on top of salary. The UCSD Libraries seek an experienced, dynamic, innovative professional to provide leadership for our Science and Engineering (S&E) Library (http://scilib.ucsd.edu). The S&E Library, and its satellite information center at the Center for Magnetic Recording Research, provide a full complement of public services and research collections to support the information needs of faculty, graduate students and undergraduates in Chemistry, Mathematics, Physics and the School of Engineering. The Head of S&E is responsible for planning, organizing and managing programs and services to meet the requirements of a demanding and technologically sophisticated clientele; develops new programs and modifies existing ones, taking advantage of new technologies to improve access to scientific and technical information; actively represents the concerns of the S&E Library in librarywide planning initiatives; encourages and facilitates the performance of a dedicated and talented staff of 4.5 librarians, 7.75 support staff, and 4.5 FTE student assistants; stays abreast of developments in relevant campus departments as well as in information delivery and scholarly communication. Required: ALA-accredited MLS; five years of experience in an academic, special, medical or science library serving similar clientele; demonstrated skills in management and supervision; evidence of innovative leadership; experience with relevant information technology; familiarity with issues, trends and operational needs of science libraries; excellent interpersonal skills; demonstrated ability to work effectively with others and to foster teamwork; superior organizational, analytical, and communication skills. Candidate must have a strong commitment to excellence in service and be able to work both independently and collaboratively in a complex changing environment. Preferred: 2 years supervisory or management experience. Appointment at the Librarian rank requires substantial relevant experience and superior qualifications. Consideration of applications will begin March 1, 1999 and continue until the position is filled. Submit a letter of application, a resume and a list of 3 references to: Debra Ambrose, Recruitment Coordinator, Library 0175H, University of California, San Diego, 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla, CA 92093-0175, or send to libraryjobs@ucsd.edu. AA/EOE. From lbspodic at ust.hk Tue Jan 12 21:53:58 1999 From: lbspodic at ust.hk (Edward Spodick, HKUST Library, 2358-6743) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog Message-ID: At 7:55 PM +0800 12/1/99, elist-web4lib@ircam.fr wrote: > http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html > >The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled >in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. > >With the help of a browser and an adequate freely-available plugin (see I find it amusing that you make a world-wide public announcement of something, and recommend required software which the software manufactrurer does not recommend using, at least in my case. When looking to download the Macintosh version of the plugin, I was warned: "This is unsupported pre-release software designed for use by developers only. Users without extensive experience with beta software should wait for more polished versions currently under development." No thanks. - - - - - Edward F Spodick, Systems Librarian - lbspodic@ust.hk Hong Kong University of Science & Technology Library tel: 852-2358-6743 fax: 852-2358-1043 From thom at indiana.edu Wed Jan 13 00:34:10 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog In-Reply-To: <199901121152.DAA15410@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 elist-web4lib@ircam.fr wrote: > http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html > > The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled > in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. Hey folks. I think you need to lighten up and imagine not system librarians in this thing but kids ( I actually think many of the adults in your libraries would also get a kick out of this). On the surface you might think: Pretty goofy idea, modeling the 'physical' library down to inspectable books! I actually thought that before I looked at this. But I think this is pretty cool and keeping the kids in mind I have in mind a teacher who is going to take a bunch of 2nd graders to the public library and has them 'play' with this technology before hand and explains how the modern library works these days. I also have in mind folks in the library who want to find a 'space' like a bathroom or a music room. I also have in mind a 'personal' visual interface for my local public library where I can rearrange things as I want or I can make everything except for large yellow books between 95 and now appear alone on shelves. Granted I can't do any of this and the technology is pretty goofy but my guess is I will be able to do this someday and the folks on web4lib are going to have to make it happen which means the folks on web4lib are going to have to learn to play all over again because they have forgotten how to imagine the new which is the essence of play and creating new experiences. Wittgenstein said that unless some folks did silly things nothing important would ever get done. This is a real silly one which means it is probably real important. Remember that goofy guy name Michael Hart who wanted to digitize a million texts by the year 2000? Or, remember those goofy kids at Stanford who started to create yet another hierarchical OO and are millionaires today? Or the 2 Steves who thought there might be a market for 'personal' computers? The question isn't whether it works today but can you imagine a future with something like it in it? I can. I want to see version 2 which probably means that a group of folks on something like web4lib have to get together and play. Thoughts? --Thom From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Jan 13 01:30:53 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I appreciate the need to lighten up and play now and then. But when there simply are not enough hours in the day to get the books back on the shelf here in boring reality, it doesn't always seem like a good use of time. I can remember when a colleague at CNIDR was really into MOOs and MUDs for interacting with users. "Patrons" could wander in, take on an avatar existence of one thing or another, and ply the virtual librarian with whatever questions or comments or lewd suggestions happened to pop into their brain. I thought it was idiotic and a waste of time. That was back in the early 90s. It's *still* idiotic and a waste of time. Meanwhile, I'd sure like to know just how much time and effort went into creating that virtual world at IRCAM. My bet is on much, much more than it will *ever* be worth. Now I'd like to see someone (anyone) try to sell the idea to libraries who are cutting back hours. You won't catch me doing it. Roy On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, thom wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 elist-web4lib@ircam.fr wrote: > > > http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/infos/vrml/index-e.html > > > > The public space of our Multimedia Library has been completely modelled > > in 3D (using VRML 2.0), showing all the stacks, cabinets, terminals, etc. > > Hey folks. I think you need to lighten up and imagine not system > librarians in this thing but kids ( I actually think many of the adults in > your libraries would also get a kick out of this). > > On the surface you might think: Pretty goofy idea, modeling the 'physical' > library down to inspectable books! I actually thought that before I looked > at this. But I think this is pretty cool and keeping the kids in mind I > have in mind a teacher who is going to take a bunch of 2nd graders to the > public library and has them 'play' with this technology before hand and > explains how the modern library works these days. > > I also have in mind folks in the library who want to find a 'space' like a > bathroom or a music room. > > I also have in mind a 'personal' visual interface for my local public > library where I can rearrange things as I want or I can make everything > except for large yellow books between 95 and now appear alone on shelves. > > Granted I can't do any of this and the technology is pretty goofy but my > guess is I will be able to do this someday and the folks on web4lib are > going to have to make it happen which means the folks on web4lib are going > to have to learn to play all over again because they have forgotten how to > imagine the new which is the essence of play and creating new experiences. > > Wittgenstein said that unless some folks did silly things nothing > important would ever get done. This is a real silly one which means it is > probably real important. Remember that goofy guy name Michael Hart who > wanted to digitize a million texts by the year 2000? Or, remember those > goofy kids at Stanford who started to create yet another hierarchical OO > and are millionaires today? Or the 2 Steves who thought there might be a > market for 'personal' computers? > > The question isn't whether it works today but can you imagine a future > with something like it in it? I can. I want to see version 2 which > probably means that a group of folks on something like web4lib have to get > together and play. > > Thoughts? > > --Thom > > From frank at hyena.net Thu Jan 14 05:25:25 1999 From: frank at hyena.net (Frank Bongers) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Meta Search CGI Script Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990114102525.0083ad30@mail.hyena.net> Hi everybody, Is there somebody who knows if there is a meta search script available somewhere on the web ? Or is there somebody who would like to help me with building one ? I would like to implement this in my site, for giving my visitors a better service. Thanks in advance, Frank Bongers From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 14 08:48:56 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Video on the Web In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990112100257.0099fe90@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: Hi, This is a two-part question: I've been given the assignment of placing a VHS video onto our web site for people to view. The first step is to convert the video into a digital format. Next, this digital copy has to be converted into a file that can be viewed by the masses. The most straight-forward solution I've seen is to convert this into a RealVideo format and to stream it off our web server to interested parties who can view it using the freely available RealPlayer. So, here's the questions: 1) How does one go about "capturing" a video onto a PC - what hardware, software, etc. is necessary to do this. More importantly, for those who have done this, what issues do I need to be aware while doing this that would normally go past a newbie? 2) What is the most effective way to make a digitized video available to web visitors? The RealPlayer way seems the most effective to me but I would be interested in hearing how others are doing this and what their recommendations are. Thanks! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Chater Township of Waterford, MI From lytlea at oclc.org Thu Jan 14 09:09:32 1999 From: lytlea at oclc.org (Lytle,Amy) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Announcement: OCLC Metadata Seminar Message-ID: [Cross-posted to several relevant lists. Please redistribute as appropriate. --Amy] Dear Reader: Seating remains available for the OCLC Institute seminar, "Using Metadata for Knowledge Management," February 8-10 and March 29-31, 1999, on the OCLC Campus, Dublin, OH. We are extending special "early-bird" discounts to all registrants. For more information and to register online, please see http://www.oclc.org/institute/metadata2.htm or contact Amy Lytle, Event Coordinator, 1-800-848-5878, ext. 5212, or lytlea@oclc.org. Thank you, Amy From u1019306 at warwick.net Thu Jan 14 09:45:19 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Blacklists, User Monitoring Message-ID: <369E02FF.828D14E2@warwick.net> I must say, the concept of proxy blacklists has long troubled me, as does any blockage of information, especially where corresponding areas in print collections and comparable building facilities continue to be accessible. With respect to games, there are game-related books and activities in the children's section of many libraries. With respect to chatting and e-mail, there are related books, public telephones, and full text databases that allow e-mail (vs. printing). And while it is one thing to read about a subject and another to apply it in the library, is the limiting criteria to rely upon the application of a topical area, or solely the subject itself? Ridiculous examples could be drawn, as there are car repair manuals in a library but no repair shops (as far as I know!), but wherever relevant the collection treatment--electronic and print--should be fair and equitable, promoting access, especially if such access to information channels exist in what may in fact be the only interface a community has with such external resources. Of course, I regard this matter as one who firmly believes in completely unfettered access--even free access, but that is another issue. Working in public library settings for some time now, I understand firsthand the full range of user behavior. There is a threshold to consider: Does disruptive user behavior exceed the disruption within library staffs, many who suddenly believe they must police this access point unlike any other? There are no reasonably similar monitoring activities occurring elsewhere in library facilities, other than general security, which monitors users and generally not the resources users are accessing (unless those resources are logistically prone to theft). Furthermore, these security provisions exist not to limit patron access or to evaluate resources; they are engaged in loss prevention and criminal detection for the benefit of the staff and public. Similar provisions are regularly adapted online and at workstations in the form of firewalls and destop security programs to preserve the local resources and the physical point of access. There are, I hope, no phone tappings to track a patron's telephonic contacts. There are, I hope, few or no children's libraries without educational and entertaining activities or materials to provide for such enlightening or entertaining activities, in the library, organized or not, or at home. No library staff member, I hope, rushes to review what a patron has just read or a phone number a patron has dialed in order to remove that item from the collection or add that number to a blacklist. Why should the Internet merit extreme special treatment? I know the arguments to be made against tempered access, and they all have their well-intentioned points, such as preserving the Internet for purely "legitimate" referential purposes (to which I say evaluate your print collection for anything less than "legitimate" referential material--or better yet, don't) and limiting the potentially disruptive sound of continual typists (to which I say purchase quieter keyboards). Few arguments can challenge free speech and freedom of the press and survive without some lasting loss to civil liberties. Having worked and corresponded with librarians the globe over, I have yet to encounter anyone who believed their primary mission was to block information, nor do I allege that here, on Web4Lib, anyone descends to that level. However, it is something to watch for and moments we should remember, or learn, or reconsider why public libraries exist at all. On the legal front, I just wonder if Internet patron monitoring and/or the sharing of such information compiled is an activity supported under state laws. I simply do not know, nor am I in any sense qualified to speak on the legal end of this subject. But it is worth deep consideration. E.g. from the New York State Consolidated Laws, Civil Practice Law & Rules: S 4509. Library records. Library records, which contain names or other personally identifying details regarding the users of public, free association, school, college and university libraries and library systems of this state, including but not limited to records related to the circulation of library materials, computer database searches, interlibrary loan transactions, reference queries, requests for photocopies of library materials, title reserve requests, or the use of audio-visual materials, films or records, shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed except that such records may be disclosed to the extent necessary for the proper operation of such library and shall be disclosed upon request or consent of the user or pursuant to subpoena, court order or where otherwise required by statute. Also see: http://www.findlaw.com/11stategov/ny/nycl.html "Library materials," "computer database searches," "reference queries," and "use of audio-visual materials" all fall under this state code. The Internet, in toto, can be construed to constitute a database and/or to contain a/v materials, and patron records kept pertinent to that information would likely fall under similar rules of confidentiality, rights to privacy, and so forth. Obviously, state laws diverge, and local laws apply too. I am not a lawyer nor claim to provide any legal counsel. I am going on sheer common sense. The information above comes directly from a library's website which I created and maintain. Nonetheless, it is compelling. It seems to me, prima facie, that cases could possibly be successfully waged against user monitoring. The activity rises to federal levels, constitutional levels again, I believe, when such monitoring abridges rights--and not only the free speech provision of the First Amendment: "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" also seems relevant here, with respect to chat rooms/MUDs/ MOOs, and so forth. And while libraries, certainly any building, can take certain strong steps to regulate behavior to ensure the optimal environment suited for its purposes and overall mission, the public library is a setting--a center and forum unlike any other-- where community members converge, information is sought, found, exchanged--freely, and not in terms of material cost--and people part of democracy can thrive under conditions condoning intellectual freedom and growth, and unfettered access to all publicly available resources, be they entertaining, informational, communicative or referential. It seems to me a pattern has established itself in the library world, where the Internet is initially looked upon with idealism and excitement, then it is implemented with the staff, who suddenly find its reference power is indeed awesome, then it is implemented with the public, then the reconsiderations come, then the limitations, then the realizations that the best efforts to block every bit of bad data ultimately fail (because the data outnumbers the reference staff by incredible ratios), then, more often than not, a decision is rendered, by the administration, by law, or by public pressure: either a facility offers complete access to the Internet or should cease Internet implementation. It is ultimately an all or nothing scenario, because we cannot risk--especially stateside--promoting the censoring of certain sites over others using specious criteria. Blacklisting is censorship. Proxy servers censor. Censorship is not what the ALA is about, what the modern public library should be about, and it is not what America is about. Elsewhere, censorship is not a positive thing for anyone observing the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Before we revoke any further privileges, let us for a moment remember all those who perished to establish and preserve the very rights sought to be limited. Let them not have perished in vain. Let us, instead, support their efforts and the rights of the people, whose taxes largely fund library activities. We should not dedicate our combined energies and resources on blocking or eliminating information, fulfilling the dark foreshadowings of Huxley, Orwell and Bradbury, where sterility, public monitoring and book burning are commonplace in dystopian zones. There is no fulfilling end to this activity. Instead, more positive steps must be taken the protect public access to information. Public education, leading patrons to "good sites" instead of leading them away from "bad sites," educating staff members, learning about search engines, and understanding how information channels such as chat rooms and e-mail are actually positive and potentially community-empowering tools. If any library fails to recognize any part of this in light of its mission statement, community opportunities will be missed, possibly denied, freedoms of speech, press and assembly risk diminishment, and each institution itself risks legal consequences, which under the present climate, and for some time to come, are vast and globally anticipated. These issues no longer pertain merely to public libraries, but rather wherever information is created, requested, provided or denied. Respectfully submitted, Robert J. Tiess rjtiess@warwick.net http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess * From bboru at si.umich.edu Thu Jan 14 10:31:48 1999 From: bboru at si.umich.edu (bboru@si.umich.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Loudon County and E-mail Message-ID: I've yet to hear any word of this, but the first question that came to mind when I heard the Loudon county decision was 'are public libraries now going to reconsider access restrictions for e-mail, chat rooms, and such?' -Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Sheppard 321 8th St. Ann Arbor, MI 48103 E-mail: bboru@alumni.si.umich.edu From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Jan 14 13:35:03 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Video on the Web References: Message-ID: <369E38D7.AFFAF813@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Question number three: What are the copyright considerations that need to be addressed? -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library Andrew I. Mutch wrote: > Hi, > > This is a two-part question: > > I've been given the assignment of placing a VHS video onto our web site > for people to view. The first step is to convert the video into a > digital format. Next, this digital copy has to be converted into a file > that can be viewed by the masses. The most straight-forward solution I've > seen is to convert this into a RealVideo format and to stream it off our > web server to interested parties who can view it using the freely > available RealPlayer. So, here's the questions: > > 1) How does one go about "capturing" a video onto a PC - what hardware, > software, etc. is necessary to do this. More importantly, for those who > have done this, what issues do I need to be aware while doing this that > would normally go past a newbie? > > 2) What is the most effective way to make a digitized video available to > web visitors? The RealPlayer way seems the most effective to me but I > would be interested in hearing how others are doing this and what their > recommendations are. > > Thanks! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Chater Township of Waterford, MI From vladislav at davidzon.com Thu Jan 14 13:47:22 1999 From: vladislav at davidzon.com (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Video on the Web Message-ID: <001b01be3fee$530d00c0$d042b3c7@highlander> >> 1) How does one go about "capturing" a video onto a PC - what hardware, >> software, etc. is necessary to do this. More importantly, for those who >> have done this, what issues do I need to be aware while doing this that >> would normally go past a newbie? "Snappy" is a good hardware solution I've heard of before, although never used. This will allow you to capture it. >> 2) What is the most effective way to make a digitized video available to >> web visitors? The RealPlayer way seems the most effective to me but I >> would be interested in hearing how others are doing this and what their >> recommendations are. You will need to purchase the RealAudio server software. I'd say maybe the Microsoft Media Player may be a good solution, because both IE and Netscape support it [to my knowledge at least]. -vsd From gagnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu Thu Jan 14 14:07:34 1999 From: gagnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Video on the Web Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990114140733.00883730@ibid.library.gatech.edu> Andrew, Yes, RealVideo is a good solution for 1999. RealVideo is a proprietary vendor standard, but it is in common use, so therefore essentially a "de facto" standard, the free player is quite good, and the quality has improved greatly in the latest encoding version. So, what do you need? 1. First you need an encoding card, which will accept analog video from your tape player and convert it. Often analog video is converted to M-JPEG, which is not an actual standard, and is proprietary to each video card. M-JPEG is essentially JPEG images strung together, so that the video can be edited. Once a video is encoded, at least for published MPEG standards, information such as color, etc. which doesn't change much from frame to frame, will appear only once, in an I-frame, and then pointers in other frames (p-frames) reference the information. With editing, you risk removing an I-frame and losing essential information, so the encoder card will create the M-JPEG format. Newer cards are actually producing editable MPEG1, which is probably just I-frames and would be preferable, because standards-based. I am currently using a Miro DC30, am not thrilled with the sound quality and will probably replace it with FutureTel's $400 Video Sphinx Pro, which does produce MPEG. Targa is another video card which generally gets good reviews, and at Educom I saw a very interesting card, Oomph!, which produced really speedy MPEG1 files because the processor resides on the card. It doesn't use the computer CPU. If you have less than 250MHz on the computer, you might want to consider this card. 2. You will need a VCR and, depending on the video card, a monitor. I have an Omnivision SVHS VCR and a Panasonic ProLine monitor and am happy with both. I also suggest good quality speakers for your PC. 3. You will want a Pentium II with at least 4 MB of Video RAM, 64 KB RAM (more if you can get it) and, I would say, at least 250 MHz with at least 2 GB of free space. However, see Oomph!, above. Also, a good sound card (32-bit if you can afford it, but at least 16 bit.). Oh, and at least a 17-inch monitor. 4. Once the video is initially converted, you need editing capability, as well as the ability to reconvert the file to RealVideo. You will also want to determine frame rate for the web, modem speed, etc. Most video cards come with software, either Adobe Premiere or Macromedia. I use Adobe Premiere and, currently, a free plug-in from Real to create Real Videos, which are not otherwise a standard Adobe option for saving your video. I strongly recommend training for whichever package you use. Premiere is wonderful and easy once you get used to it, but it is not intuitive and you will never find all the options yourself. (much like Photoshop! Also wonderful. Also not a day at the beach to learn!) 5. Next you will want to store your video, provide access via the web and stream it on request to client stations. For RealVideo, I would say purchase the Real Video server, approximately $600 and pop it on an NT server. The free RealVideo plug-in is perfectly adequate. Put it on the library's public PCs and point everybody else to the Real download site. A very exciting encoding format, MPEG-4, has just been adopted, and beta encoders are starting to show up. Once it is mature (mid-99?), we should all move our streaming media to this format. So don't invest too heavily in Real Video. Why? MPEG-4, ISO/IEC Standard 14496, can be encoded over a flexible bandwidth range of less than 64 Kbps to 4 Mbps, to serve a range of needs from Web-based video to broadcast. MPEG-4 is the first standard to go beyond encoding to also incorporate opportunities for visual object recognition and metadata. MPEG-4 encoding is object-based, providing higher compression for background objects, such as trees and scenery, and lower compression for foreground objects, such as an actor or speaker--much as the human eye filters information by focusing on the most significant object in view, such as the other party in a conversation. Object encoding provides great potential for object or visual recognition indexing, based on the objects themselves rather than an indexing database. In addition, MPEG-4 provides a synchronized text track for courseware development and a synchronized metadata track for indexing and access at the frame level. I am currently collaborating ona state-of-the-art white paper on digital video on demandm as part of the SURA Video Initiative (SURA ViDe). We issued an RFI to vendors to survey current technology and to identify partners to work with us to develop digital video--very much in its infancy!--further. Among other things, the paper will identify what vendors are currently doing in the video server arena. That white paper should be available in Feburary, along with a video conferencing cookbook. I will post those URLs to the list when available. I will say all the vendors had plans to support MPEG-4 as quickly as feasible. Hope this helps! If you need more, feel free to ask, off list! Grace At 10:40 AM 1/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >Question number three: What are the copyright considerations that need to be >addressed? > > > >-- >Thomas Edelblute >Anaheim Public Library > > >Andrew I. Mutch wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This is a two-part question: >> >> I've been given the assignment of placing a VHS video onto our web site >> for people to view. The first step is to convert the video into a >> digital format. Next, this digital copy has to be converted into a file >> that can be viewed by the masses. The most straight-forward solution I've >> seen is to convert this into a RealVideo format and to stream it off our >> web server to interested parties who can view it using the freely >> available RealPlayer. So, here's the questions: >> >> 1) How does one go about "capturing" a video onto a PC - what hardware, >> software, etc. is necessary to do this. More importantly, for those who >> have done this, what issues do I need to be aware while doing this that >> would normally go past a newbie? >> >> 2) What is the most effective way to make a digitized video available to >> web visitors? The RealPlayer way seems the most effective to me but I >> would be interested in hearing how others are doing this and what their >> recommendations are. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Andrew Mutch >> Library Systems Technician >> Waterford Township Public Library >> Chater Township of Waterford, MI > > > > > *********************************************** Grace J. Agnew Assistant Director for Systems and Technical Services Georgia Tech Library grace.agnew@library.gatech.edu (404) 894-8932 (404) 894-6084 (fax) From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Jan 14 14:10:25 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Video on the Web In-Reply-To: <001b01be3fee$530d00c0$d042b3c7@highlander> Message-ID: Just checked on Media Player - it looks like it installs a plug-in in order to function with Netscape but it only works with the 32-bit versions of the browser. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Charter Township of Waterford, MI On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Vladislav S. Davidzon wrote: > >> 1) How does one go about "capturing" a video onto a PC - what hardware, > >> software, etc. is necessary to do this. More importantly, for those who > >> have done this, what issues do I need to be aware while doing this that > >> would normally go past a newbie? > > > "Snappy" is a good hardware solution I've heard of before, although never > used. This will allow you to capture it. > > >> 2) What is the most effective way to make a digitized video available to > >> web visitors? The RealPlayer way seems the most effective to me but I > >> would be interested in hearing how others are doing this and what their > >> recommendations are. > > You will need to purchase the RealAudio server software. I'd say maybe the > Microsoft Media Player may be a good solution, because both IE and Netscape > support it [to my knowledge at least]. > > -vsd > > > > From gagnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu Thu Jan 14 14:18:45 1999 From: gagnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Video Question #3 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990114141844.0088bc50@ibid.library.gatech.edu> Thomas Edelblute asked. Question number three: What are the copyright considerations that need to be addressed? For a joint project with Emory, I am using Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premiere to watermark the first few frames with Emory's copyright information and adding a credits frame that indicates date encoded, hardware and software used, alternate formats available, etc. so that this structural metadata information exists intrinsic to the video. I haven't gotten it looking like I want yet, but I will provide a URL for viewing a sample video when it is ready--end of Jan. or early Feb. Grace *********************************************** Grace J. Agnew Assistant Director for Systems and Technical Services Georgia Tech Library grace.agnew@library.gatech.edu (404) 894-8932 (404) 894-6084 (fax) From transit at primenet.com Thu Jan 14 15:56:00 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:36 2005 Subject: Another calendar . . . In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990114140733.00883730@ibid.library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: is at http://www.ci.monrovia.ca.us/ (click on the Calendar button. This is a citywide event calendar) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From digiref at loc.gov Sun Jan 17 15:29:03 1999 From: digiref at loc.gov (digiref@loc.gov) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:38 2005 Subject: ALA Mtg: Ref Srvc Digital Age: LC Next Steps Message-ID: REFERENCE SERVICE IN A DIGITAL AGE: LC NEXT STEPS Open Discussion Session Sponsored by The Library of Congress ALA Midwinter Meeting Philadelphia, PA Sunday January 31, 1999 5:30pm - 7:00pm Pennsylvania Convention Center Room 201A The Library of Congress will host an open discussion session, on reference service in a digital age, as a follow-up to its June 1998 institute (http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/digiref/). The session will be hosted by Diane Kresh, Director, Public Service Collections, Library of Congress. In response to the recommendations and ideas discussed at the summer institute, the Library of Congress is seeking further input from concerned reference and public service librarians about three projects LC is considering. The session in Philadelphia is designed as an open forum to allow us all to discuss the following questions: * can such projects benefit your own library and services? * what role can your library take in pursuing such projects? * what role do you envision the Library of Congress taking? The three projects are: 1. Develop and manage a web site to serve as a clearinghouse for presenting information about library and other projects and efforts related to digital reference. Rather than being a collection of links to reference and library resources or a set of links about digital libraries (as these topics are covered by several excellent web sites already), this site would draw together links that point to library projects, research (social science, human-computer interaction, etc.), articles, grants, distance education, conferences, that address the issues directly and indirectly about providing reference services in a digital age. The focus would be on information about the effect of digital library efforts on providing services in and from libraries and on the staff that do so. 2. Initiate a pilot project in 1999 for a collaborative remote reference service among libraries, using a variety of Internet communications technologies (e.g., email, chat, etc.), toward a potential goal of reference service for users any time anywhere. The Library of Congress is seeking partners to participate in such a pilot project. Such a service might require both technological and quality standards, such as methods for receiving/distributing/archiving email questions, and methods for ensuring that answers are timely and accurate and confidential. A pilot project might start with participating libraries from different USA time zones. 3. Pursue further discussions about core competencies for library reference staff in a digital age. How much technology should a reference librarian be expected to learn and use? Should distinctions between reference staff and technical assistants be reexamined? What do reference librarians need to know to survive as libraries and users continue their use of digital technology? What is the role of library schools in ensuring that new students and librarians are prepared to offer both digital and traditional reference services in the future? Should LC have a role in furthering the discussion, along with other associations and interested parties? At the open session, we will offer a brief introduction to each of these projects and then open the discussion for your ideas and recommendations. We look forward to seeing many of you on Sunday January 31! Though we are unable to respond to messages, if you have comments about these potential projects or about the open session in Philadelphia, please send your comments to: digiref@loc.gov From Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu Thu Jan 21 05:20:36 1999 From: Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR at unomail.unomaha.edu (Marc_Davis/LIB/UNO/UNEBR@unomail.unomaha.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: LinuxWorld, Linux in Libraries Message-ID: <86256700.0038D1EF.00@unomail.unomaha.edu> Is anyone planning to attend LinuxWorld in San Jose, CA, March 1 - 4? I'll be there along with a co-worker and would enjoy chatting with others using Linux in public or academic library settings. There is one interesting library presentation scheduled from Wichita, so I thought there might be a few folks planning to attend. A semi-related question: is there any interest in a Linux-for-Libraries mailing list or is there such a list already? Would appreciate hearing from anyone interested in such a list (privately). If there's enough interest, w'll see about starting something up. Thanks. Marc Davis Manager Support Services University Library University of Nebraska at Omaha Marc_Davis@unomaha.edu From kristinh at lv.is Thu Jan 21 05:55:54 1999 From: kristinh at lv.is (kristinh@lv.is) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Cleaning up Message-ID: <00256700.003B8BBA.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Linkbot sounds great - but I was wondering - I have HomeSite 4.0 - is this feature "orphans" included in that? I have not found it there. And to inform you about my OS: it is Windows 95 - NT. Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: +354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: http://www.lv.is/enska Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ ******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston Hughes Hanan Cohen on 20.01.99 20:03:02 Please respond to hananc@bashan.co.il To: Multiple recipients of list cc: (bcc: Krist?n ? Hlynsd?ttir/Landsvirkjun/IS) Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Cleaning up -------------- next part -------------- kristinh@lv.is wrote: > Is there a program that helps me find out wheather or not my pics are linked to a > page? Yes, there is. Use Linkbot to tell you all the problems you might have on your site. It has a feature called "orphans" in which it compares between the files on your site and the files on your directory. You can download it from your nearest TUCOWS mirror. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems - WebSkills ***Love and Peace*** From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Thu Jan 21 09:19:46 1999 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: Internet Librarian & Libtech International 99, London, UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You may be interested to know that "Internet Librarian & Libtech International 99" is being held in March this year in London, UK. Roy Tennant and I are running a workshop entitled "Web Management With or Without a Server" on April 1st (!). Here's the blurb: "Whether you have your own Web server or not, this workshop will give you some essential information on how to get your Web site up and keep it running. Advanced tips will be mixed in with basic information, so no matter what your Web management level you will likely find information of use to you. Tennant describes and demonstrates Web management issues for those with control over the Web server. Topics include data owner support, statistics, user tracking, server fault monitoring and prevention, and intelligent redirection. Scott discusses how librarians without access to servers can become Web managers by utilizing freely available Web services remotely. Topics to be covered include: accessing free Web space, running CGI and Javascripts including guestbooks, bulletin boards, counters, etc. All levels of experience are appropriate in this informative and interactive half-day workshop." Full conference details: http://www.infotoday.com/ili99/ili99.htm From miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us Thu Jan 21 15:12:18 1999 From: miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: MSIE 4.5 Java Problem Message-ID: I'm trying to get MSIE 4.5 for Macintosh to run on my PM 7500/100s with 32 megs RAM. When I hit on our home page I get the following complaint: "The Java VM you have chosen, "Apple MRJ" could not be loaded. Please check to see that it is installed correctly or choose another VM." Sigh. I've gone to edit|preferences|java and changed to "Microsoft VM," restarted, and got the same message and find that the java preference reverts to Macintosh MRJ. I've reinstalled to no avail. MSIE runs fine without Java, but I doubt that I could sell a java-less browser to my staff. Any suggestions for fixing this problem are welcome. Thanks. --mike From sdk at mindspring.com Thu Jan 21 15:51:36 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: e-mail newsletters - local gvt. Message-ID: <000501be457f$d64a28a0$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> I'm looking for examples of e-mail newsletters sent out by local government agencies -- cities, counties and/or individual departments within cities or counties. These would be "opt-in" e-mailings that citizens could sign up for online or via e-mail. Subject matter can be anything -- local events calendar, parks and rec programs, crime statistics, new city services, library news, utilities info... Please forward me an actual copy of said publication or a URL/e-mail address where I could get more information. If there's any interest, I'd be glad to summarize for the list. Shirl Kennedy Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ From Battenfeld at southampton.liunet.edu Thu Jan 21 16:24:22 1999 From: Battenfeld at southampton.liunet.edu (Robert Battenfeld) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: Library Web Servers Message-ID: <213E15F299B@shark.liunet.edu> Web4libbers: I wondered if anyone could direct me towards any resources that outline the advantages/disadvantages of setting up a library web server. Your personal opinions would also be valued. Thanks. Robert L. Battenfeld, Associate Professor Reference Librarian Southampton College Library/LIU 239 Montauk Highway Southampton New York 11968 (516) 287-8379 battenfeld@southampton.liu.edu http://www.southampton.liu.edu/library/library.htm From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Jan 21 20:18:02 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: security question Message-ID: <36A7D1CA.6918EA66@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We have Fortres installed on Windows 95 workstations attached to our network. Unfortunately, we have had several instances recently of patrons coming in and downloading files to the C: drive. Our log files also show the patron saving changes to a database file. Since they have found a way around Fortres security, I need another option. Is policy editor available on Windows 95? I can't seem to find it. If there is, where do I find instructions on how to use it? -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From his at virtuallibrarian.com Thu Jan 21 22:09:24 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (Hetherington Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:39 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] security question In-Reply-To: <36A7D1CA.6918EA66@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <4.1.19990121220227.00930b40@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hello. I'm also noticing some anomalies with Fortress and my Windows '95 machines lately. We have Fortress set to maximum security on our computers, only capable of accessing our OPAC via Smarterm and Netscape. The version of Fortress we have is 2.51, and Windows '95 is Build B. When I called Fortress with a problem recently they said their were some problems with the ver. 2.51 and Windows '95 B OS, and suggested I upgrade to the next level of Fortress. I'm not one to patch a problem and move on. I would like to know if anyone has experienced problems of the same nature with the Fortress/ Win'95 versions, and if so can you define the problem? I'm really interested in how your patrons, Thomas, are working around the "save to C" issue. Thanks Cynthia Hetherington, Technology Librarian Englewood Public, NJ At 05:23 PM 1/21/99 -0800, Thomas Edelblute wrote: >We have Fortres installed on Windows 95 workstations attached to our >network. Unfortunately, we have had several instances recently of >patrons coming in and downloading files to the C: drive. Our log files >also show the patron saving changes to a database file. > >Since they have found a way around Fortres security, I need another >option. Is policy editor available on Windows 95? I can't seem to find >it. If there is, where do I find instructions on how to use it? > >-- >Thomas Edelblute >Anaheim Public Library > > From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Sun Jan 24 15:52:12 1999 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:28:40 2005 Subject: Mixing NT4 & Netware3 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990124145212.0094cd30@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> Ok here's the deal- Because of politics I am having to switch to NT on my clients and ultimately on my server. Until I can get a new box I have to continue using my netware 3 server as the primary location for my shared files, search engines - and other shared applications as well as print services. BUT - I am looking at setting up a small (486) NT Server box STRICTLY to handle user policies - so that I can lock down the stations when patrons log in and open them when staff log in. If I understand correctly - that means patrons will HAVE to log in the the NTServer . Question - Is it best then to have them log in JUST to the NT server and run the Netware Gateway on it to get them to the Netware server? Or is it best to have them log on to BOTH servers - if so how can I set it up so they are prompted to do that? Or is there a 3rd (4th 5th - whatever) alternative?? ANY help appreciated -- I have taught myselr Netware - with NT im clueless -- Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Mon Jan 25 12:48:51 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:21 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Mixing NT4 & Netware3 References: <3.0.1.32.19990124145212.0094cd30@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> Message-ID: <36ACAE83.FF69E722@am.appstate.edu> I have Win 95 workstations logging into an NT Server first which then passes the same logon to the Novell 4.x server. If the logon is different for that user on the Novell Server then the user will be presented a Netware Logon box as well. I haven't tried the Netware Gateway approach. The Network settings on the public machines specify Microsoft as the primary client and I am using Policies and Profiles. Staff machines in offices are set to Novell as the primary client so that they won't use NT policies but do logon to the NT second instead of first. So, I have to create a separate policy for each logon that is going to use the public station because the default policy is no access to anything local or network. I use the same auto logon, using tweakui, on all public patron PCs and I have a generic staff logon. I only setup specific staff policies when necessary. If you don't setup an auto logon the Primary Client, from the Win95 Network settings, logon will come up first be it NT or Novell and pass that same logon and password to the second. I chose separate logons so there would be no Novell interference (broadcasts, etc,) from the NT Server and the Novell Server is administered outside of the Library. I've been using this combination for well over a year with pleasing results and have not had the need to use third party security software although that may be speaking more for our patrons than how secure the policies and profiles make the workstations. I am also running database search engines off of the Novell server which has a different set of rights for the patron logon. If you use policies, remember that the NT policy editor is not compatible with the Win95 config.pol file, you need to use the Win95 policy editor. To directly address two of your concerns: Yes, the client will HAVE to logon to the NT Server first if you want to use Policies. The policy file config.pol has to reside in \winnt\system32\Repl\Import\Scripts directory. That is where NT checks for policies when a user logs on. I don't think your allowed to change that path even in the user logon script option in the NT user database. Which is best? It is my understanding that if you use the Netware Gateway the NT machine authenticates users off of the Novell's user database. I don't know what other advantages or disadvantages there might be besides not having to duplicate all or some logons. Thomas "Paul H. Gray" wrote: > Ok here's the deal- > > Because of politics I am having to switch to NT on my clients and > ultimately on my server. > > Until I can get a new box I have to continue using my netware 3 server as > the primary location for my shared files, search engines - and other shared > applications as well as print services. > > BUT - I am looking at setting up a small (486) NT Server box STRICTLY to > handle user policies - so that I can lock down the stations when patrons > log in and open them when staff log in. > > If I understand correctly - that means patrons will HAVE to log in the the > NTServer . > > Question - > Is it best then to have them log in JUST to the NT server and run the > Netware Gateway on it to get them to the Netware server? > > Or is it best to have them log on to BOTH servers - if so how can I set it > up so they are prompted to do that? > > Or is there a 3rd (4th 5th - whatever) alternative?? > > ANY help appreciated -- > I have taught myselr Netware - with NT im clueless -- > Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 > TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 > 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us > Hurst, Texas 76054 From avirr at LanMinds.Com Mon Jan 25 14:10:37 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:21 2005 Subject: KnowX - per-item sales of aggregated government data on the Web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interesting article in InternetWorld about KnowX, which is selling Information America aggregate data on a per-search, per-record basis. They thought they'd move business customers off the dialup system but they're getting lots of individuals using the "Ultimate People Finder". Searches are minimal cost during business hours and free in off-hours, records themselves are under $7 each. The article is at: And the company is at Avi ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Web Site Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From smith_sa at mail.uwlax.edu Mon Jan 25 14:33:52 1999 From: smith_sa at mail.uwlax.edu (Stefan Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:21 2005 Subject: Library Director Position Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990125133352.0070a5f8@mail.uwlax.edu> Position Title: Director of Murphy Library The University of Wisconsin-La Crosse invites applications and nominations for the position of Library Director. The Director will serve as the chief administrative officer of the university library, reporting to the Provost. Based on qualifications, a concurrent faculty position is an option. The library is the primary resource for the teaching mission of the University. The University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, situated at the foot of the scenic bluffs of the Mississippi River valley, is a comprehensive public university with approximately 9,000 students. Information about the university, Murphy Library, and the community of La Crosse, Wisconsin is available at our web site: http://www.uwlax.edu/vacancies/. Academic Background: The successful candidate will have an advanced degree from an ALA accredited institution and a second subject masters or Ph.D. Library Background: --Have at least five years of progressively responsible library management experience in an academic library --Knowledge of all aspects of library operations --Commitment to preserving and expanding library collections --Demonstrated knowledge of systems, trends, and practices in information technologies --Demonstrated ability to conceive, plan, coordinate, and implement innovative library operations and services -- Clear vision of the library's central role in the support of teaching, learning, and research activities of students and faculty --Broad knowledge of current and emerging issues in librarianship and higher education Administrative Skills: --Demonstrated commitment to shared governance and decision making --Proven written and oral communications and problem solving skills --The ability to build and maintain effective relationships with the university and community constituents --Demonstrated leadership with governance and administrative initiated committees --A commitment to and an ability to develop program assessment and strategic planning --Evidence of a commitment to diversity --Demonstrated leadership and management skills including commitment to staff development --Demonstrated ability to develop and implement budgets --Experience with grants and external fund raising projects The position will be available on July 1, 1999. Deadline for applications is February 15, 1999. Applicants should send a letter of interest addressing qualifications, a current vita, and the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of three references to Chair of Search Committee, c/o Assistant Vice Chancellor Academic Services, Graff Main Hall 145C, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, La Crosse, WI 54601. Complete job description and contact information available at http://www.uwlax.edu/vacancies/ . The University of Wisconsin-La Crosse is an equal-opportunity, Title IX employer and does not discriminate against persons on the basis of race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, marital status, age, or disability. Successful candidates must demonstrate a commitment asto diversity. Stefan A. Smith, Outreach Librarian Murphy Library Resource Center University of Wisconsin La Crosse 1631 Pine St., La Crosse WI 54601 smith_sa@mail.uwlax.edu voice:(608) 785-8396 fax: (608) 785-8639 From tritter at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Jan 25 16:01:41 1999 From: tritter at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Travis Ritter) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:21 2005 Subject: Mixing NT4 & Netware3 In-Reply-To: <36ACAE83.FF69E722@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <199901252101.NAA02494@darkwing.uoregon.edu> Just a couple of additions to this excellent answer: 1) Your NT clients will look for a file called "NTCONFIG.POL" when downloading their policies - "CONFIG.POL" is for Win95 clients. 2) If you will be installing the NT server on a 486, I would NOT use the NetWare Gateway. Every request for a Novell resource goes through the NT server, so this solution works best when you only need occasional access to Novell services and you have a sufficiently powerful NT server (I would say at least a pentium, 350MHz, 128MB RAM...at least). 3) My understanding of the NetWare Gateway authentication system is that you create a single user and group on the Novell server for the gateway. The NT server accesses everything on the Novell server with the rights of this one user/group. NetWare volumes that are set up to be accessed through the gateway show up as shares on the NT server; you then create accounts on the NT server and limit NT users' and groups' rights to these shares. So, the upshot is that you have to recreate most of your users/groups and redo most of your permissions (there might be some utilities to help automate this - I don't know). When I had to do this migration about a year ago, I had the luxury of having a powerful enough NT server to take over the file and print functions of the Novell server. I simply copied over the filesystems and then recreated (by hand) the users, groups, and permissions. For us, it was a valuable opportunity to redo our permissions scheme. When the system was up and running (and tested), we just switched everybody over. Obviously this won't work in every situation, but I'm never heard of a NetWare -> NT migration tool that really worked. I'm now administering a different network in which we use NetWare and NT together (your second option). It works quite well for us, but due to the overhead imposed by maintaining two networks, I wouldn't recommend it as a permanent solution. Travis At 09:53 AM 1/25/99 -0800, you wrote: >I have Win 95 workstations logging into an NT Server first which then passes the >same logon to the Novell 4.x server. If the logon is different for that user on >the Novell Server then the user will be presented a Netware Logon box as well. >I haven't tried the Netware Gateway approach. The Network settings on the >public machines specify Microsoft as the primary client and I am using Policies >and Profiles. Staff machines in offices are set to Novell as the primary client >so that they won't use NT policies but do logon to the NT second instead of >first. So, I have to create a separate policy for each logon that is going to >use the public station because the default policy is no access to anything local >or network. I use the same auto logon, using tweakui, on all public patron PCs >and I have a generic staff logon. I only setup specific staff policies when >necessary. If you don't setup an auto logon the Primary Client, from the Win95 >Network settings, logon will come up first be it NT or Novell and pass that >same logon and password to the second. I chose separate logons so there would >be no Novell interference (broadcasts, etc,) from the NT Server and the Novell >Server is administered outside of the Library. I've been using this combination >for well over a year with pleasing results and have not had the need to use >third party security software although that may be speaking more for our patrons >than how secure the policies and profiles make the workstations. I am also >running database search engines off of the Novell server which has a different >set of rights for the patron logon. If you use policies, remember that the NT >policy editor is not compatible with the Win95 config.pol file, you need to use >the Win95 policy editor. > >To directly address two of your concerns: > Yes, the client will HAVE to logon to the NT Server first if you want to use >Policies. The policy file config.pol has to reside in >\winnt\system32\Repl\Import\Scripts directory. That is where NT checks for >policies when a user logs on. I don't think your allowed to change that path >even in the user logon script option in the NT user database. > > Which is best? It is my understanding that if you use the Netware Gateway >the NT machine authenticates users off of the Novell's user database. I don't >know what other advantages or disadvantages there might be besides not having to >duplicate all or some logons. > >Thomas > > >"Paul H. Gray" wrote: > >> Ok here's the deal- >> >> Because of politics I am having to switch to NT on my clients and >> ultimately on my server. >> >> Until I can get a new box I have to continue using my netware 3 server as >> the primary location for my shared files, search engines - and other shared >> applications as well as print services. >> >> BUT - I am looking at setting up a small (486) NT Server box STRICTLY to >> handle user policies - so that I can lock down the stations when patrons >> log in and open them when staff log in. >> >> If I understand correctly - that means patrons will HAVE to log in the the >> NTServer . >> >> Question - >> Is it best then to have them log in JUST to the NT server and run the >> Netware Gateway on it to get them to the Netware server? >> >> Or is it best to have them log on to BOTH servers - if so how can I set it >> up so they are prompted to do that? >> >> Or is there a 3rd (4th 5th - whatever) alternative?? >> >> ANY help appreciated -- >> I have taught myselr Netware - with NT im clueless -- >> Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 >> TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 >> 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us >> Hurst, Texas 76054 > ------------------------------------------------------- Travis Ritter???????????????? Network Manager?????????????? University of Oregon Library? Email: tritter@darkwing.uoregon.edu Phone: (541) 346-2140 Fax: ? (541) 346-3485 From mmshutt at richland.lib.sc.us Tue Jan 26 14:38:13 1999 From: mmshutt at richland.lib.sc.us (Michelle C. Miller Shutt) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: printing from IE 4.0 Message-ID: <01BE4939.81A832C0@2036> Apologies for cross-posting. I have a feeling I already know the answer to this, but it's worth a try. We are in the process of upgrading many of our staff and patron PC's from 75Mhz Pentiums to 200Mhz +. In addition, we're beginning to replace IE 3.0 with IE 4.0. On the old computers (with the older browsers) when you click on the Print button (or go to File|Print|OK) a dialogue box would appear that said something like "formatting...pages..1.-X." with a Cancel button to cancel printng. With the newer computers and browser, this dialogue box doesn't appear. I suspect that this is because of the increased speed of the new computers and that there is nothing we can do to ensure that the dialogue box continues to appear. Does anyone know whether that's the case? Some of the staff and patrons wish to keep that box since it's the only way to know beforehand how many printed pages a web page is going to print. Additionally, since patrons are used to seeing that dialogue box, we've had some situations where a patron keeps hitting the print button (with a 20 page web page!) because he didn't realize that it had actually printed. At any rate, once we know for sure that the dialogue box is gone (if that's the case), we can begin re-educating staff and patrons. Thanks for any info, you can reply off-list. _________________________________________________________________________ Michelle C. Miller Shutt Technology Support Librarian Richland County Public Library 1431 Assembly Street, Columbia, South Carolina 29201 (803) 929-3445 mmshutt@richland.lib.sc.us http://www.richland.lib.sc.us From msauers at bcr.org Tue Jan 26 14:56:31 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] printing from IE 4.0 In-Reply-To: <01BE4939.81A832C0@2036> Message-ID: <002e01be4965$f8538420$50912dc7@sauers.bcr.org> > With the newer computers and > browser, this dialogue box doesn't appear. I suspect that this is > because of the increased speed of the new computers and that > there is nothing we can do to ensure that the dialogue box > continues to appear. It actually has nothing to do with your computers, it's the browser and the integration with the OS. The printing is taken over by Win95(98) when you hit the print button. The dialog box does not show up because it's now out of the hands of the browser (unlike Netscape which keep control until the very last moment.) To cancel the print job you need to go into the Print Manager by double-clinking on the printer icon that shows up in the system tray. The speed of your machines will come into play however if the document is small. A fast machine may process the print job fast enough to eliminate the possibility of doing the steps listed above. Only real solution is to use Netscape. It's slower but gives you that extra level of control over printing. -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ PGP Public Key available on request ?It would be a gross understatement to say that the Telecommunications Act of 1996 is not a model of clarity.? -- Antonin Scalia Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From esperr at DCSMSERVER.MED.SC.EDU Tue Jan 26 16:59:40 1999 From: esperr at DCSMSERVER.MED.SC.EDU (Ed Sperr) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: Printer Recommendations? Message-ID: <5B261068CE@med.sc.edu> I'm looking for "We've got that and it works great!" (or doesn't) type info about the HP LaserJet 4000N and the Lexmark Optra S 1855n. Both seem fairly suitable to task, as we're looking for a networked laser to service nine workstations (mostly printing Medline citiations, but we're starting to move to some full text as well). My concerns are mainly reliability under a high duty cycle and how quickly they chew through consumables. One other question: how well do they handle duplexing? I'd like to try to duplex as much of the output as we can to hold down paper costs, but I'm concerned about taking too much of a performance hit. Many thanks for any input (direct responses will be summarized for the list). Ed Sperr Systems Librarian USC School of Medicine esperr@med.sc.edu (803)733-3321 From vladislav at davidzon.com Tue Jan 26 17:52:21 1999 From: vladislav at davidzon.com (Vladislav S. Davidzon) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer Recommendations? Message-ID: <000801be497e$8a91f200$1e42b3c7@delta.wb.metronet.lib.mi.us> I've seen two of the 4000N models. Worked great, never had a single problem. -Vladislav -----Original Message----- From: Ed Sperr To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:36 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer Recommendations? >I'm looking for "We've got that and it works great!" (or doesn't) >type info about the HP LaserJet 4000N and the Lexmark Optra S 1855n. > >Both seem fairly suitable to task, as we're looking for a networked >laser to service nine workstations (mostly printing Medline >citiations, but we're starting to move to some full text as well). > >My concerns are mainly reliability under a high duty cycle and how >quickly they chew through consumables. > >One other question: how well do they handle duplexing? I'd like to >try to duplex as much of the output as we can to hold down paper >costs, but I'm concerned about taking too much of a performance hit. > >Many thanks for any input (direct responses will be summarized for >the list). > > > >Ed Sperr >Systems Librarian >USC School of Medicine >esperr@med.sc.edu (803)733-3321 > From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Jan 26 18:14:20 1999 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: Why don't people use e-mail reference? Message-ID: (NOTE: If your library has e-mail reference statistics to share, I'd appreciate getting them). Over the past two months I've been gathering statistics on e-mail reference, posting several requests to several listservs. While I haven't received a high enough response rate to do anything that's statistically significant (I've received responses from eighteen libraries), the responses do seem to indicate that people only infrequently use e-mail to submit reference questions. Of the 18 libraries providing data, well over half (11) averaged less than one question per day. Four more libraries averaged between 1 and 2 questions per day. Two libraries averaged 2 to 3 questions per day. Indiana University seems to be the exception to the rule, averaging about 20 transactions per day. In other words, 95% of the libraries in my admittedly small sample averaged fewer than 3 transactions per day, with over half averaging less than 1 transaction per day. The infrequency of e-mail reference questions is perhaps better illustrated by representing e-mail questions as a percentage of total reference questions recorded. Five of the 18 libraries (3 public and 2 academic) provided me with data for total face-to-face, telephone, and e-mail transactions. For the three public libraries, face-to-face questions accounted for 76.03% of total reference questions, telephone reference services accounted for 23.6%, and e-mail accounted for only 0.37% of the total! For the two academic libraries, face-to-face accounted for 87.51%, telephone reference accounted for 12.03%, and e-mail accounted for only 0.47%. So, once again giving the caveat that this is a small, self-selected sample, my question is: Why don't people use e-mail reference more frequently? With millions of people surfing the Web, and millions of people with e-mail accounts, and internet commerce logging billions of dollars in sales, etc., why does e-mail reference seem to account for less than one-half of one percent of total reference questions? I'm interested to hear what people think... Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Jan 26 20:12:11 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101be4992$10f07700$495dcc88@reflaptop.morrisville.edu> Perhaps you need to turn the question around and ask WHY WOULD ANYONE USE E-MAIL FOR REFERENCE? It involves waiting for a response that you don't know when it will arrive. There is no real personal interaction. We supply a link for reference questions but get very few. Bill Drew drewwe@morrisville.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:34 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Why don't people use e-mail reference? > > > > (NOTE: If your library has e-mail reference statistics to share, I'd > appreciate getting them). > > Over the past two months I've been gathering statistics on e-mail > reference, posting several requests to several listservs. While I haven't > received a high enough response rate to do anything that's statistically > significant (I've received responses from eighteen libraries), > the responses > > do seem to indicate that people only infrequently use e-mail to submit > reference questions. > > Of the 18 libraries providing data, well over half (11) averaged less than > one question per day. Four more libraries averaged between 1 and > 2 questions per day. Two libraries averaged 2 to 3 questions per day. > Indiana University seems to be the exception to the rule, averaging > about 20 transactions per day. In other words, 95% of the libraries > in my admittedly small sample averaged fewer than 3 transactions > per day, with over half averaging less than 1 transaction per day. > > The infrequency of e-mail reference questions is perhaps better > illustrated by representing e-mail questions as a percentage of > total reference questions recorded. Five of the 18 libraries > (3 public and 2 academic) provided me with data for total face-to-face, > telephone, and e-mail transactions. For the three public libraries, > face-to-face questions accounted for 76.03% of total reference > questions, telephone reference services accounted for 23.6%, and > e-mail accounted for only 0.37% of the total! For the two academic > libraries, face-to-face accounted for 87.51%, telephone reference > accounted for 12.03%, and e-mail accounted for only 0.47%. > > So, once again giving the caveat that this is a small, self-selected > sample, my question is: Why don't people use e-mail reference > more frequently? With millions of people surfing the Web, and > millions of people with e-mail accounts, and internet commerce > logging billions of dollars in sales, etc., why does e-mail reference > seem to account for less than one-half of one percent of total > reference questions? > > I'm interested to hear what people think... > > Bernie Sloan > Senior Library Information Systems Consultant > University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting > 338 Henry Administration Building > 506 S. Wright Street > Urbana, IL 61801 > Phone: (217) 333-4895 > Fax: (217) 333-6355 > Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > From danforth at tiac.net Tue Jan 26 20:24:44 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:24 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990126202444.007a6260@sunspot.tiac.net> Are there other statistics that you count? Such as hits on the web page being equivalent to total people counts? Use of online reference materials and online catalog? how do you compare those to 'standard ' library statistics. Isabel At 04:30 PM 1/26/99 -0800, Sloan, Bernie wrote: > >(NOTE: If your library has e-mail reference statistics to share, I'd >appreciate getting them). > >Over the past two months I've been gathering statistics on e-mail >reference, posting several requests to several listservs. While I haven't >received a high enough response rate to do anything that's statistically >significant (I've received responses from eighteen libraries), the responses > >do seem to indicate that people only infrequently use e-mail to submit >reference questions. > >Of the 18 libraries providing data, well over half (11) averaged less than >one question per day. Four more libraries averaged between 1 and >2 questions per day. Two libraries averaged 2 to 3 questions per day. >Indiana University seems to be the exception to the rule, averaging >about 20 transactions per day. In other words, 95% of the libraries >in my admittedly small sample averaged fewer than 3 transactions >per day, with over half averaging less than 1 transaction per day. > >The infrequency of e-mail reference questions is perhaps better >illustrated by representing e-mail questions as a percentage of >total reference questions recorded. Five of the 18 libraries >(3 public and 2 academic) provided me with data for total face-to-face, >telephone, and e-mail transactions. For the three public libraries, >face-to-face questions accounted for 76.03% of total reference >questions, telephone reference services accounted for 23.6%, and >e-mail accounted for only 0.37% of the total! For the two academic >libraries, face-to-face accounted for 87.51%, telephone reference >accounted for 12.03%, and e-mail accounted for only 0.47%. > >So, once again giving the caveat that this is a small, self-selected >sample, my question is: Why don't people use e-mail reference >more frequently? With millions of people surfing the Web, and >millions of people with e-mail accounts, and internet commerce >logging billions of dollars in sales, etc., why does e-mail reference >seem to account for less than one-half of one percent of total >reference questions? > >I'm interested to hear what people think... > >Bernie Sloan >Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >338 Henry Administration Building >506 S. Wright Street >Urbana, IL 61801 >Phone: (217) 333-4895 >Fax: (217) 333-6355 >Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Jan 27 08:05:16 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19990126202444.007a6260@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: One area to explore is the question, "how convenient is it for people to ask an e-mail reference question from your web page?" Do you highlight this feature on your web page or is it hidden in small type at the bottom of the page or on an interior page? Do you provide users with an easy-to-fill-out form or do you rely upon a mailto: link that may not be cleared labeled as such? On several personal web pages I host, I've used the FormMail script from Matt's Script Archive: http://www.worldwidemart.com/scripts/ to provide an easy and convenient way for visitors to submit comment. This allows visitors to submit a question, even if the browser they are using doesn't support or allow e-mail. I've also provided a prominent graphic or link to this page so that visitors can easily find this feature. See: http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/jen/ How quickly did you find the link on that page? I've found that this has generated a fair amount of questions and comments - far more than I expected - and I attribute it mainly to the fact that I highlighted this feature and the script provides an easy to fill-out form. If you are finding that you aren't getting a lot of mail - try making this feature more visible and see if it makes a difference. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From ctodd at shaysnet.com Wed Jan 27 09:18:09 1999 From: ctodd at shaysnet.com (Carl Todd) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? In-Reply-To: <004501be3b0d$629a5e10$21010823@jfgreen.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <199901271415.JAA00426@equinox.shaysnet.com> I have had success launching programs from a web page while running Netscape (on Windows 95). I simply associate the executable file with a new file extension then create a file with that extension and create a web page with a link to that file. Programs have run fine for me. This would be pretty easy to impliment on a stand-alone PC but a bit trickier to do across a network. If all the networked PC's were set up the same way, I suppose you could create a file to update all the registries (a "*.reg" file) -- search the registry for the new file extension and you'll see the changes that need to be updated on each PC. Here's an example: 1. in Netscape's preferences, select the "applications" section and add a new "type" and give the file extension something obscure like "zq1" and choose the desired application to run when that file is loaded. 2. create a web page with a link to somefile.zq1 3. click the link and the program runs. --Carl Todd Reference Librarian Westfield State College > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Iezzi > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:12 PM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Simple script for executable file? Is there such a beast? > > > >Hello, > > > >I'm looking for help in working out how to write a script that accesses a > >program on a stand alone computer. The script must work from inside a web > >page and must activate the programs executable file. Eventually we will be > >putting all of this onto a corporate web site, but for now stand alone is > >fine. > > > > > >I'm using Frontpage 98 and manual, and there's much explanation about > >JavaScript and VBScript to do all sorts of fancy things on a web site, but > >nothing about running a program. Maybe I'm missing something here..... > > > >I would be forever grateful if anyone can explain it to me in English. > > > >Thankyou in advance, > > > >Tony Iezzi > >CSL Research librarian > > > > From kharriss at d.umn.edu Wed Jan 27 11:04:02 1999 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <5B261068CE@med.sc.edu> Message-ID: We have some 4000N's. We bought them within the last 6 months. We are using them for small workgroups, such as you describe. We've had no problems yet. We are not duplexing. ======================================================= Kyle Harriss voice: (218) 726-6546 UMD Library email: kharriss@d.umn.edu 10 University Drive Duluth, MN 55812 From albright at acsi.shasta.cc.ca.us Wed Jan 27 11:05:25 1999 From: albright at acsi.shasta.cc.ca.us (Janet Albright) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <36AF3944.F6D0ED63@acsi.shasta.cc.ca.us> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT: LIBRARIAN Shasta College Library is hiring a full-time, tenure-track librarian, beginning in the 1999 Fall semester, approximately August 13, 1999. The library operates under a team-based management structure and all library faculty perform multiple roles including public service, user instruction, and coordination of an operational area. This position will have primary responsibility for developing an information competency program combining new technologies with traditional resources. This position will also have primary responsibility for the planning, development, implementation, maintenance, and evaluation of the Library?s technology activities. We are seeking candidates who are leaders, are creative, take initiative, and work successfully in a team environment. Application materials must be received by 4:00 p.m. on Wednesday, February 17, 1999. For a full description of this position and its requirements, please visit our website at http://library.shastacollege.edu/job.htm Complete application information may be obtained from: Shasta College Personnel P.O. Box 496006 Redding, CA 96049-6006 Phone: (503) 225-4656 Fax: (503) 225-4990 TDD: (530) 225-4988 From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Jan 27 11:17:59 1999 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Illinois Digital Academic Library Message-ID: I want to call your attention to a project we're working on here in Illinois. The Illinois Digital Academic Library (IDAL) is a program proposed by the Electronic Resources Committee of the Illinois Library Computer Systems Organization (ILCSO). For the first year of the initiative (FY 2000) we are requesting $870,000 from the Illinois Board of Higher Education (IBHE). The staff of the IBHE has recommended funding the initiative, and the full Board of the IBHE has included a funding recommendation in their FY 2000 higher education budget recommen- dations to the Governor. If the Governor approves the recommendation, the final allocation is up to the Illinois General Assembly. The following is a capsule summary of the proposed IDAL initiative. For the full proposal, go to: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/~sloan/idal.html. If you have questions, feel free to contact me. "The goal of the Illinois Digital Academic Library initiative is to provide a digital library of full text and full image digitized resources for the students, faculty and staff of Illinois institutions of higher education. This particular initiative would be an integral part of a broader information infrastructure that has been developed by a number of sectors of the Illinois library community, including the Illinois State Library, the Illinois regional library systems, and the Illinois Library Computer Systems Organization (ILCSO). To be eligible for participation in the Illinois Digital Academic Library program, an institution must be accredited by the Illinois Board of Higher Education, and the institution's library must be a member of the Illinois Library and Information Network (ILLINET), an organization consisting of more than 3,300 libraries in Illinois. In other words, virtually all Illinois institutions of higher education would be eligible to participate." Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu From dsmith at CapAccess.org Wed Jan 27 11:25:55 1999 From: dsmith at CapAccess.org (Donde Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Q Trackballs, Mouse alternatives Message-ID: Our library system has been using keyboards with built in trackballs primarily due to lack of space for mice. We have tried two different types and find that they get dirty very quickly and "break" frequently. We are looking for alternatives that would require little space and hold up under constant heavy use. Unfortunately cost is a major factor as well. We would like to know what other libraries are using with the public or students and what you would recommend. A earch of the archives found only a couple of messages from May 1997 that pertained to this topic. Please reply to me. I would be glad to summarize for the List if appropriate. TIA- Donde Smith Oxon Hill Library Prince George's County Memorial Library System, MD ds0025@mail.pratt.lib.md.us dsmith@capaccess.org From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Wed Jan 27 12:10:25 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printer Recommendations? References: <5B261068CE@med.sc.edu> Message-ID: <36AF4880.3E4CECA@am.appstate.edu> I've networked 3 HP5Si, 2 HP6MP, 1 HP4000N and getting ready to add another 2 HP4000N and 1 HP8000. I haven't used duplex on any. I have between 5 and 10 workstations connected to each printer and 20 connected to one of the HP5Si. I've found that if you use the HP Jet Admin software, at least in my case, use the newest possible version. I've had conflicts with Netware Client 32 with early versions of HP Jet Admin and had to reinstall Client 32 because the HP Admin software wrote over certain Novell dll files. I think version 3.3 is the newest version of HP Admin and has installed with no conflicts. Overall I've been very pleased with the Networked HP printers. I would suggest using the Postscript driver rather than the PCL driver on the workstations. The postscript driver allows you to print the page reduced in size from the original. In specific cases I found this useful when graphics and tables were wider than the actual page width in Netscape which normally would just be cut off when printing at 100% . As far as Medline, if you are using winspirs, webspirs, or website there should be no problem printing. If you are using DOS Spirs program, the instructions for setting up the printer driver say to choose NO for printing from DOS. If you are using Netscape clients you may want to make patrons aware of the print preview option to see how many and which pages are going to print. I've had a lot of paper go to the recycle bin. Go to www.hp.com to get the newest HP Admin software. Thomas Ed Sperr wrote: > I'm looking for "We've got that and it works great!" (or doesn't) > type info about the HP LaserJet 4000N and the Lexmark Optra S 1855n. > > Both seem fairly suitable to task, as we're looking for a networked > laser to service nine workstations (mostly printing Medline > citiations, but we're starting to move to some full text as well). > > My concerns are mainly reliability under a high duty cycle and how > quickly they chew through consumables. > > One other question: how well do they handle duplexing? I'd like to > try to duplex as much of the output as we can to hold down paper > costs, but I'm concerned about taking too much of a performance hit. > > Many thanks for any input (direct responses will be summarized for > the list). > > Ed Sperr > Systems Librarian > USC School of Medicine > esperr@med.sc.edu (803)733-3321 From ych at ican.net Wed Jan 27 12:33:02 1999 From: ych at ican.net (York County Hospital) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: ?training videos or cd's Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19990127123302.45975e5a@mail2.tor.accglobal.net> I am interested in purchasing training videos or cd's for Microsoft Windows 95, Powerpoint and Word. Does anyone have suggestions on programs and company information that they have used and found useful? Thanks for any suggestions. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::: katherine dedrick health sciences library ~ york county hospital newmarket, ontario, canada ych@ican.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::fax 905-830-5989 From theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us Wed Jan 27 13:06:06 1999 From: theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us (Hillary Theyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: <000101be4992$10f07700$495dcc88@reflaptop.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990127100606.006ae8dc@muse.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> Has anyone considered the reference services built around e-mail? KidsConnect answers homework questions for kids with a promised two-day turnaround. I volunteer, and it is a wonderful service! Internet Public Library also answers reference questions by e-mail, and has helped me with absolute stumpers in the past. Hillary Theyer At 05:44 PM 1/26/99 -0800, you wrote: >Perhaps you need to turn the question around and ask WHY WOULD ANYONE USE >E-MAIL FOR REFERENCE? It involves waiting for a response that you don't >know when it will arrive. There is no real personal interaction. We supply >a link for reference questions but get very few. > >Bill Drew >drewwe@morrisville.edu > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: web4lib@webjunction.org >> [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Sloan, Bernie >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:34 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: [WEB4LIB] Why don't people use e-mail reference? >> >> >> >> (NOTE: If your library has e-mail reference statistics to share, I'd >> appreciate getting them). >> >> Over the past two months I've been gathering statistics on e-mail >> reference, posting several requests to several listservs. While I haven't >> received a high enough response rate to do anything that's statistically >> significant (I've received responses from eighteen libraries), >> the responses >> >> do seem to indicate that people only infrequently use e-mail to submit >> reference questions. >> >> Of the 18 libraries providing data, well over half (11) averaged less than >> one question per day. Four more libraries averaged between 1 and >> 2 questions per day. Two libraries averaged 2 to 3 questions per day. >> Indiana University seems to be the exception to the rule, averaging >> about 20 transactions per day. In other words, 95% of the libraries >> in my admittedly small sample averaged fewer than 3 transactions >> per day, with over half averaging less than 1 transaction per day. >> >> The infrequency of e-mail reference questions is perhaps better >> illustrated by representing e-mail questions as a percentage of >> total reference questions recorded. Five of the 18 libraries >> (3 public and 2 academic) provided me with data for total face-to-face, >> telephone, and e-mail transactions. For the three public libraries, >> face-to-face questions accounted for 76.03% of total reference >> questions, telephone reference services accounted for 23.6%, and >> e-mail accounted for only 0.37% of the total! For the two academic >> libraries, face-to-face accounted for 87.51%, telephone reference >> accounted for 12.03%, and e-mail accounted for only 0.47%. >> >> So, once again giving the caveat that this is a small, self-selected >> sample, my question is: Why don't people use e-mail reference >> more frequently? With millions of people surfing the Web, and >> millions of people with e-mail accounts, and internet commerce >> logging billions of dollars in sales, etc., why does e-mail reference >> seem to account for less than one-half of one percent of total >> reference questions? >> >> I'm interested to hear what people think... >> >> Bernie Sloan >> Senior Library Information Systems Consultant >> University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting >> 338 Henry Administration Building >> 506 S. Wright Street >> Urbana, IL 61801 >> Phone: (217) 333-4895 >> Fax: (217) 333-6355 >> Email: bernies@uillinois.edu >> >> > > From thom at indiana.edu Wed Jan 27 13:17:03 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990127100606.006ae8dc@muse.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Hillary Theyer wrote: > Has anyone considered the reference services built around e-mail? > KidsConnect answers homework questions for kids with a promised two-day > turnaround. I volunteer, and it is a wonderful service! Internet Public > Library also answers reference questions by e-mail, and has helped me with > absolute stumpers in the past. I think these are all good ideas but imagine going into a library, asking a question and waiting 2 days? It is a different service but probably has to get a close as possible to real time to be viewed as real successful. Wasn't there a weekend info service offered via phone in the Bay area which gave fast turn around times? --Thom From leita at wenet.net Wed Jan 27 13:52:51 1999 From: leita at wenet.net (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990127105251.0088d520@mail.wenet.net> >Wasn't there a weekend info service offered via phone in the Bay area >which gave fast turn around times? > It was the Weekend Library Line - 6pm-midnight on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I coordinated the service from 1978-1986 (when it was discontinued due to funding cutbacks). It operated out of the Berkeley Public Library and was staffed with 2 librarians each evening from a pool of about 12 who worked in the member libraries of the Bay Area Library and Information System network. If I remember correctly, we answered between 50 and 100 questions an evening. We were loved because we were there, with answers, when no one else was. We'd either answer the question within 5 minutes or get their number and call them back that evening. Carole _____________________________ Carole Leita, leita@wenet.net From mooredp at email.uah.edu Wed Jan 27 15:19:54 1999 From: mooredp at email.uah.edu (David P. Moore) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Disabling Set As Wallpaper Message-ID: <006801be4a32$66c417e0$7a16e592@moored.uah.edu> I have a quick question: Is it possible to disable the Set As Wallpaper option in IE and Netscape without acquiring security software like Fortres? Thanks for any help. ____________________________________ David P. Moore Reference Services Coordinator M. Louis Salmon Library 301 Sparkman Dr. NW Huntsville, AL 35899 (256)890-6285 FAX:(256)890-6083 mooredp@email.uah.edu From jbenedet at unm.edu Wed Jan 27 15:20:07 1999 From: jbenedet at unm.edu (John T. Benedetto) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Q Trackballs, Mouse alternatives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Donde Smith wrote: > Our library system has been using keyboards with built in trackballs > primarily due to lack of space for mice. We have tried two different > types and find that they get dirty very quickly and "break" frequently. > We are looking for alternatives that would require little space and hold Have you looked at the keyboards with the built-in touchpad? There's a reason laptops have gone from the built-in trackball to the touchpads. I can use 'em okay, but it's been my experience that you either love 'em or hate 'em. YMMV - John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 From msauers at bcr.org Wed Jan 27 15:26:30 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Set As Wallpaper In-Reply-To: <006801be4a32$66c417e0$7a16e592@moored.uah.edu> Message-ID: <000301be4a33$52b78920$50912dc7@sauers.bcr.org> > Is it possible to disable the Set As Wallpaper option in IE and Netscape > without acquiring security software like Fortress? You can find the answer @ http://www.ufaq.org/navcom/defeatwallpaper.html -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ PGP Public Key available on request ?It would be a gross understatement to say that the Telecommunications Act of 1996 is not a model of clarity.? -- Antonin Scalia Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From LuckDL at apsu.edu Wed Jan 27 15:41:33 1999 From: LuckDL at apsu.edu (Luck, Deanne L) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Midwinter discussion: Internet Resource Potpourri Message-ID: Internet Resource Potpourri Sunday, January 31, 10:00-1:00 Philadelphia Marriott, Salon G Join us in Philadelphia for "Internet Resource Potpourri," a series of managed discussions sponsored by LITA's Internet Resources Interest Group. Discussion leaders will introduce six varied topics, followed by audience discussion. Be prepared to share your experiences, opinions, and questions! Topic listings including URLs for "background reading" are available at the Internet Resources Interest Group web site, http://www.usu.edu/~library/Lita/potpour.html From ATrupiano at city.newport-beach.ca.us Wed Jan 27 16:20:18 1999 From: ATrupiano at city.newport-beach.ca.us (Trupiano, Anna) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Set As Wallpaper Message-ID: <010B56ACFB72D111851B0060089829C32DB39F@exchange_lib.city.newport-beach.ca.us> What you could do... is set the wallpaper to whatever your "normal" wallpaper is... and then make the file "read-only." Whenever you boot... wallpaper is normal. > ---------- > From: David P. Moore[SMTP:mooredp@email.uah.edu] > Reply To: mooredp@email.uah.edu > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:21 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Set As Wallpaper > > I have a quick question: > > Is it possible to disable the Set As Wallpaper option in IE and > Netscape > without acquiring security software like Fortres? > > Thanks for any help. > ____________________________________ > David P. Moore > Reference Services Coordinator > M. Louis Salmon Library > 301 Sparkman Dr. NW > Huntsville, AL 35899 > (256)890-6285 FAX:(256)890-6083 > mooredp@email.uah.edu > From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Jan 27 16:52:05 1999 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Why don't people use e-mail reference? In-Reply-To: <000101be4992$10f07700$495dcc88@reflaptop.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <199901272154.QAA108860@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Some additional observations on email reference questions. I'm not on the front lines for our reference team, but I do receive most of the email reference questions sent to the various library lists, and *all* of those sent "through" the Institute's web site. I believe the stats for the library would be comparable to those which Mr. Sloan cites in his informal study, perhaps slightly higher - at least one per day on average (although it fluctuates greatly according to the academic season). [The stats for the campus-wide web site, however, outnumber *all* of our library's reference lists combined; at times by a factor of ten.] Perhaps it is the largely repetitive themes of these messages that is most striking. In our library's case, most of them address issues of remote access, library PINs, acquisition recommendations and, of course, the general reference question. The other prominent email reference "category" concerns those that cannot be answered or fulfilled by the library due to the status of the inquirer (we usually point them toward local resources). "Why would anyone use email for reference questions?" Apparently, the patron's mode of access to the "library" (on/offline) is significant. Distance is a factor - especially since we support a widely distributed (i.e., global) and very active distance education program. And in my opinion, newness to online activities may also play a role. "How convenient have you made it for visitors to your web site?" For RPInfo, it doesn't seem to make a difference. They'll always find it, regardless of how relevant the query may or may not be to the Institute's operations. -kb >> Of the 18 libraries providing data, well over half (11) averaged less than >> one question per day. Four more libraries averaged between 1 and >> 2 questions per day. Two libraries averaged 2 to 3 questions per day. >> Indiana University seems to be the exception to the rule, averaging >> about 20 transactions per day. In other words, 95% of the libraries >> in my admittedly small sample averaged fewer than 3 transactions >> per day, with over half averaging less than 1 transaction per day. >> So, once again giving the caveat that this is a small, self-selected >> sample, my question is: Why don't people use e-mail reference >> more frequently? With millions of people surfing the Web, and >> millions of people with e-mail accounts, and internet commerce >> logging billions of dollars in sales, etc., why does e-mail reference >> seem to account for less than one-half of one percent of total >> reference questions? ____________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator Libraries and Information Services Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 RPInfo: Rensselaer's Information System ____________________________________________ From Spober at manhattan.edu Wed Jan 27 19:41:58 1999 From: Spober at manhattan.edu (Stacy Pober) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: Linking to numeric IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS Message-ID: <3AEBE93113F@europa.mc.manhattan.edu> At our library we have several databases (our catalog and some periodical databases) supplied over an Extranet connection. The Extranet is intended to provide better performance and more stability in our connection to these sites. The problem is, when the Extranet is up and the campus Internet connection is down, we aren't always able to access the Extranet sites. This is supposedly due to DNS failure as there is no DNS server on the Extranet and our local DNS server does not cache addresses. (I say 'supposedly' because one of those sites does not allow ping or tracert connections from the Extranet sites, and the failure message isn't one that indicates DNS problems per se.) I was considering switching the alphabetic domain name with the numeric IP addresses in our links to these sites, but according to tech support at one of the vendors, they don't think this is a good idea, since they may switch servers (and thus numeric IP's) at times. Since we just went through a period of several days when we were unable to access one of these services, I was considering providing a backup link with a numeric IP for just these times, as in: database
alternate link for database Has anyone done something like this? The idea of providing backup links just seems a little clunky - is there a more elegant solution? Is there a way to save the DNS information for these sites locally, so we wouldn't run into this problem? According to the campus computing folks, the campus DNS server does not cache address information, so "locally" would be at the brower or PC level, not at the DNS server. //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ Stacy Pober mailto: spober@manhattan.edu Information Alchemist http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ Manhattan College Libraries Voice: 718-862-7166 Riverdale, NY 10471 Fax: 718-862-7995 //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ From mgross at CAM.ORG Wed Jan 27 19:52:59 1999 From: mgross at CAM.ORG (Margaret Gross) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ?training videos or cd's In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.19990127123302.45975e5a@mail2.tor.accglobal.net> Message-ID: Katherine go to the Librarians' Resource Centre http://www.sla.org/chapter/ctor/toolbox/resource/index.html click on the link to Computer Based Training, and you'll find links to vendors of videos and CDs We've purchased several for our Library. regards, Margaret Gross Montreal, Canada On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, York County Hospital wrote: > I am interested in purchasing training videos or cd's for Microsoft Windows > 95, Powerpoint and Word. > Does anyone have suggestions on programs and company information that they > have used and found useful? > Thanks for any suggestions. > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > ::::::::::::::::::::::: > katherine dedrick > health sciences library ~ york county hospital > newmarket, ontario, canada > ych@ican.net > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::fax > 905-830-5989 > > > From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Wed Jan 27 20:57:33 1999 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linking to numeric IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS References: <3AEBE93113F@europa.mc.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <36AFC40C.B55290EB@opac.osl.state.or.us> Stacy Pober wrote: > I was considering switching the alphabetic domain name with the numeric > IP addresses in our links to these sites, but according to tech support > at one of the vendors, they don't think this is a good idea, since > they may switch servers (and thus numeric IP's) at times. Stacy, I'd go ahead with using the IP #s and not worry about the number-switching possibility. This is a non-problem. Many of the HTML authoring tools like HomeSite or HTMLpad offer global search&replace on multiple files, with wildcards, etc. So you can easily change multiple pages. There is also a freeware utility called "Search & Replace 98" that does global S&R on HTML files. For additional S&R utilities, you can look at TUCOWS, in Windows95 section, under the HTML Accessories listing. Cheers, -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D./Oregon State Library/perez@opac.osl.state.or.us ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Been there, downloaded that." From scramer at mail.lib.duke.edu Wed Jan 27 21:34:50 1999 From: scramer at mail.lib.duke.edu (Cramer, Steve) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:31 2005 Subject: who's bought whom -- a very specialized search engine! Message-ID: <9900279175.AA917501714@mail.lib.duke.edu> http://namestake.com/ This is a company that sells domain-name reports. It also provides a search engine called "banner search" (on the left side of the homepage) that returns banner ads from web search engines -- one can use the banner search to see what search engines have sold what keywords (or brand names, company names, etc). According to "Advertising Age" (1-18-99, p. 34), one of the V.P.'s of Namestake wants the Internet Advertising Bureau to look into the practice of keyword-selling, since "consumers" (i.e. web users) can get confused "by the blurring of boundaries between search results and banner ads." Steve Cramer Perkins Reference Duke University, NC, USA scramer@mail.lib.duke.edu From bjones at unf.edu Thu Jan 28 08:30:53 1999 From: bjones at unf.edu (Bob Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Linking to numeric IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS In-Reply-To: <36AFC40C.B55290EB@opac.osl.state.or.us> Message-ID: > Stacy Pober wrote: > > I was considering switching the alphabetic domain name with the numeric > > IP addresses in our links to these sites, but according to tech support > > at one of the vendors, they don't think this is a good idea, since > > they may switch servers (and thus numeric IP's) at times. > > Stacy, If your alphabetic domain names are not resolving, then there is a problem reaching a domain name server. We had this problem (intermittently) and tried using the numeric addresses, but found that if the target page uses alphabetic IPs for its own graphics, features, and links, they too cannot be resolved and the page may not load. Our solution was to take a very old PC, load one of the free Unix flavors and set up a Domain Name Server (non-authoritative) on "our" side of any institutional router or hub. Your DNS will learn from other DNSes on the Internet. Once installed there is practically no maintenance! In the Windows 9x environments, we also found that using the HOSTS file on each workstation had some success, but was a bear to maintain. Bob Jones mailto:bjones@unf.edu Head, Public Services Division and Systems Coordinator University of North Florida Library http://www.unf.edu/library/ P.O. Box 17605 (904) 620-2552 (SC 861-2552) Jacksonville, FL 32245-7605 FAX: (904) 620-2719 ARIEL: 139.62.208.88 From bradzo at ozemail.com.au Thu Jan 28 09:37:36 1999 From: bradzo at ozemail.com.au (Bradley Thomas) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: Sheller - The Minimal Browser Message-ID: <004901be4acb$d005a540$0102a8c0@rowdy> Dear Web4Lib'ers Just a quick message to inform you of an update to Sheller - The Minimal Browser. Some of you emailed us to let us know that the installation failed on some of your machines. We believe we have fixed the problem, and have made available the latest version of Sheller, which now includes the Configuration tool thrown in. You can point and click at various items, instead of having to edit the sheller.cfg file by hand. Please visit: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bradzo/libit/libit.htm for more information on us and Sheller, The Minimal Browser. Thank you for your time. We hope you find Sheller to be of benefit. Please email us with your thoughts/comments/criticisms/wishlists. Kind Regards Brad Thomas, Director, LibIT Solutions Brisbane, Australia. bradzo@ozemail.com.au From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Jan 28 12:46:55 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: School for Scanning, June 2-4, 1999, Chicago Message-ID: Posted by request. Do not reply to me. By the way, this is a *great* workshop, and not because of my small part in it. I know of no other conference that brings together such a group of experts in one place. As a speaker, I've been to several of these and I always look forward to it, and despite the fact that I've heard many of the people speak before (and sometimes several times) I always learn something new. Roy Tennant ***** School for Scanning: Chicago Issues of Preservation and Access for Paper-Based Collections June 2-4, 1999 Presented by the Northeast Document Conservation Center At the Chicago Historical Society, Clark Street at North Avenue, Chicago, IL The conference is funded in part by The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the National Endowment for the Humanities. It is cosponsored by The Getty Information Institute, the Chicago Historical Society, the National Park Service. What is the School for Scanning? This conference provides a rationale for the use of digital technology by managers of paper-based collections in cultural institutions. Specifically, it equips participants to discern the applicability of digital technology in their given circumstances and prepares them to make critical decisions regarding management of digital projects. Although technical issues will be addressed, this is not a technician training program. Conference content will include: Developing Institutional Infrastructures to Support Digital Initiatives Content Selection for Digitization Text and Image Scanning Quality Control and Costs Copyright, Fair Use, and Other Legal Issues Surrounding Digital Technology The Essentials of Metadata Digital Preservation: Theory and Reality Maximizing the Utility of Digital Information Who Should Attend? Administrators within cultural institutions, as well as librarians, archivists, curators, and other cultural or natural resource managers dealing with paper-based collections, including photographs, will find the School for Scanning conference highly relevant and worthwhile. Since the complexion of this conference evolves with the technology, it would be beneficial to attend even if you have participated in a previous School for Scanning. An audience of 150 or more attendees is expected. Who Are the Faculty? Steve Dalton, NEDCC; Howard Besser, UCLA; Steve Chapman, Harvard University; Paul Conway, Yale University Library; Matthew Cook, Chicago Historical Society; Richard Ekman, The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation; Franziska Frey, Image Permanence Institute; Anne Gilliland-Swetland, UCLA; Melissa Smith Levine, Library of Congress; Clifford Lynch, Coalition for Networked Information; Wendy Lougee, University of Michigan; Jan Merrill-Oldham, Harvard University; Marc Pachter, Smithsonian Institution; John Price-Wilkin, University of Michigan; Steve Puglia, National Archives and Records Administration; Bernard Reilly, Chicago Historical Society; Abby Smith, Council on Library and Information Resources; Roy Tennant, University of California at Berkeley and Diane Vogt-OConnor, National Park Service. What does the conference cost? The cost of the conference is $265 for early bird registration, post marked by April 14, 1999, and $335 for late registration, deadline May 12, 1999. Participants will also be responsible for all their travel and lodging costs. Registration applications will be accepted on a first-come-first-served basis. For more information or to request a flier, a copy of the flier is posted on NEDCCs web site at or contact Gay Tracy, Northeast Document Conservation Center, 100 Brickstone Square, Andover, MA 01810; 978 470-1010; or email . Gay S. Tracy Public Relations Coordinator Northeast Document Conservation Center 100 Brickstone Square Andover MA 01810-1494 Tel 978 470-1010 Fax 978 475-6021 www.nedcc.org From diaz.28 at osu.edu Thu Jan 28 15:49:21 1999 From: diaz.28 at osu.edu (Karen Diaz) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: Web Librarian Position --Ohio State University Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990128204921.009c40e8@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES 1858 Neil Avenue Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210-1286 Position: Web Librarian Available: Immediately Responsibilities: The Web Librarian develops and maintains The Ohio State University Libraries' web site, which includes providing access to electronic resources, directing content, developing graphics, and maintaining site organization and structure. The Web Librarian provides general support to web initiatives throughout the library system and serves as coordinator, trainer and primary support for decentralized efforts to create and maintain web pages of library departments, branch libraries, and subject collections. Responsible for monitoring and implementing changing web technologies and communicating new software, hardware, and training needs to the library administration. Working with the Libraries' Web Policy and Planning Committee and the Automation Committee, the Web Librarian carries out new projects, sets guidelines for Library supported web pages, and identifies policy, technical, and programmatic needs of the site. Works with the Serials and Electronic Products and Information Technology departments to solve access and other problems. This position plays a pivotal role in the relationship between library public and technical services and works with all departments in the system. The Web Librarian reports to the Assistant Director for Collections and maintains a strong liaison role with the Information Technology Department. Represents the University Libraries in appropriate University groups and committees. Librarians have faculty status and are expected to meet university requirements for promotion and tenure, including research, publication, and service. Qualifications: Required: MLS or equivalent degree. Experience in development and maintenance of web site in a library setting. Advanced knowledge of HTML, basic knowledge of Perl, CGI and JavaScript. Solid UNIX foundation. Familiarity with various commercial bibliographic databases. Skilled at handling multiple responsibilities and projects simultaneously. Excellent communication and consensus building skills. Understanding of the role of the web in a large research library setting. Knowledge of web accessibility/usability norms and guidelines. Preferred: Experience with Netscape Enterprise Server, local database delivery through the web, knowledge of various web support tools such as scanners, digital cameras, HTML editors, graphics software and web site management software. Experience in training others on the use of various software and web design techniques. Experience in managing large scale projects. Professional experience in large research library. Salary and Rank: $40,000 minimum. Faculty rank and salary dependent upon experience and qualifications. Benefits: 22 days vacation, 15 days sick leave, 10 holidays. Hospitalization, major medical, surgical-medical, dental, vision, and long-term disability insurance; life insurance at 2 ? times one's annual salary. State and alternative retirement system available. Environment: Founded in 1870, The Ohio State University is a comprehensive, state- assisted university offering a complete environment for learning for its ca. 3,000 faculty and 51,000 students. The University Libraries system is composed of the Main Library, ten department libraries, the University Archives, five special collections, the Law Library and the Health Sciences Library on the Columbus campus; four regional campus libraries; and the libraries of the Agricultural Technical Institute and the Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center in Wooster. Staff of the Libraries is comprised of 105 librarians and professional staff, 190 support staff, and over 500 student assistants. Its collection of over five million volumes makes it one of the nation's largest research libraries. The Ohio State University Libraries is a leader in library user education with a program that reaches all entering freshmen students and a developing program of course-related instruction for upper level undergraduate and graduate students, as well as a program of online, self-paced tutorials. It is also a leader in the development and use of library-related computer technology and is a charter member of OCLC, Inc. and OhioLINK. Ohio State participates in a statewide library and information network linking state-supported academic libraries, the libraries of community/technical colleges, the State Library of Ohio, and the libraries of many private academic institutions. OhioLINK includes a shared central catalog and a statewide circulation and delivery network. Application: Open until filled. Apply to Linda S. Gonzalez, Manager, Library Human Resources (see address above). Include names, addresses and telephone numbers of three references. An Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity employer. Women, minorities, Vietnam-era veterans, disabled veterans and others with disabilities are encouraged to apply. job/weblibrian.des 01/20/99 _________________ Karen Diaz 2-4053 diaz.28@osu.edu From tibor at lib.uaa.alaska.edu Thu Jan 28 16:51:39 1999 From: tibor at lib.uaa.alaska.edu (Michael Tibor) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: Linking to numberic IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS In-Reply-To: <199901282124.NAA08783@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 Stacy Pober wrote: > At our library we have several databases (our catalog and some > periodical databases) supplied over an Extranet connection. The > Extranet is intended to provide better performance and more stability > in our connection to these sites. The problem is, when the Extranet is > up and the campus Internet connection is down, we aren't always able to > access the Extranet sites. This is supposedly due to DNS failure > as there is no DNS server on the Extranet and our local DNS server does > not cache addresses. (I say 'supposedly' because one of those sites > does not allow ping or tracert connections from the Extranet sites, and > the failure message isn't one that indicates DNS problems per se.) Is there a firewall blocking DNS traffic (outgoing UDP packets on port 53)? There really isn't any reason to block DNS traffic, so if that's the case the firewall should be fixed. Another possibility is that the desktops on that network aren't configured to use any DNS servers. A third possibility may be that the desktops are configured to use DNS servers properly, and that DNS traffic is not being blocked by anything, but that the DNS servers which the desktops are trying to use are either down or otherwise unreachable. If this is the case, it might be a good idea to setup another DNS server, preferably as close to the desktops as possible (network topology-wise). A DNS server is a basic component of a TCP/IP network. I can't think of any reason why it would be better to devise a (probably overly complex) workaround. Mike -- Mike Tibor Univ. of Alaska Anchorage (907) 786-1001 voice LAN Technician Consortium Library (907) 786-6050 fax tibor@lib.uaa.alaska.edu http://www.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/~tibor/ http://www.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/~tibor/pgpkey for PGP public key From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Jan 28 19:18:31 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: microwave Message-ID: <36B0FE57.265F00C@anaheim.lib.ca.us> There is a proposal that the library use mircowave technology instead of phone lines for T-1 communications. Does anyone have experience with this? -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From u1019306 at warwick.net Thu Jan 28 22:26:02 1999 From: u1019306 at warwick.net (Robert J. Tiess) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:33 2005 Subject: PURLs - Do you use them? Message-ID: <36B12A4A.2F6DF7F3@warwick.net> Does anyone on this list use the free OCLC PURL redirection service? If so, any comments regarding any aspect of the service? I've used one for a site of mine, and it seems to be a useful service, Lynx-friendly too. I've also recommended it to a number of webmasters. If you're new to PURLs, the official page can be reached at http://purl.oclc.org Robert From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Fri Jan 29 09:49:47 1999 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: Linking to numeric IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS In-Reply-To: <199901282124.NAA08804@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <5360505.3126581387@cisco-ts6-line14.uoregon.edu> --Stacy Paber asks about using IP addresses rather than domain names in HTML links: > when the Extranet is > up and the campus Internet connection is down, we aren't always able to > access the Extranet sites. I strongly dislike the idea of hardcoding IP addresses for any hosts outside your own administrative control. My experience is that they do in fact change frequently and that the outside world (you) is typically not notified of topology or server changes because the assumption is that people find hosts by their names not their addresses. The basic problem here is that the library's Internet connection is being lost. THAT's what needs to be fixed. If that can't be fixed, then the next step is to question whether in fact the Extranet provides "more stability". As this discussion makes clear, connections consist not just of a bit pipe, but of the network services needed to support and manage that pipe; I'd say that the extranet provider has failed in his (hopefully contractual) obligations by not providing DNS service or transit routing to the Internet. Stacy notes that the library is already running a local name server, but that it doesn't cache. Presumably, since Stacy doesn't complain about access to local resources, it's successfully set as the preferred server for library machines (in hardwired IP configurations or in DHCP responses). One could convert it to a caching server or make it a secondary for the zones covering the extranet resources. Such a change would be easy if it's bind on Unix/Linux; I have less recent experience with other major name server implementations. Bob Jones suggests setting up a second name server. That's a cheap approach if you have some Unix expertise in your organization, but it begs some questions of how this server will get its non-authoritative information, and how your workstations will know enough to ask it for the right information. Given the apparent fragility of the present setup, I'd advise getting some more in-depth network engineering consulting before proceeding. JQ Johnson office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator phone: 1-541-346-1746 v, -3485 fax 1299 University of Oregon mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From Bigwood at lpi.jsc.nasa.gov Fri Jan 29 09:50:34 1999 From: Bigwood at lpi.jsc.nasa.gov (Bigwood, David) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] PURLs - Do you use them? Message-ID: Yes, I'm using PURLs and find them handy, especially since OCLC has recently included a validator. GPO is using them as well and has set up a PURL server for bib records they create. So if you are getting governments your catalog records will have PURLs instead of URLs. I do have some problems with them. I'm having a hard time getting others to go in as maintainers with me. In an ideal situation a subject would be handled by a group interested in that field. For example, I am interested in planetary science. I could join with others interested in that topic such as folks at USGS, NASA, and universities to take care of links for that topic. The more people checking and correcting the PURL the better. Or it could be done by an area. Houston could set up a PURL server and the library, local universities and businesses could collaborate in keeping the links for greater Houston current. I have used PURLs created by others and if they do not work, then I'm at the mercy of the other institution to fix the link. As OCLC has the site set up it is hard to find out just whom to contact. Knowing the link was created by the University of Chicago is not too useful, that is a big place. It would be nice if the PURL software provided some kind of e-mail link to the PURL creator so one could point out broken links or ask to become a joint maintainer. The 1st problem can be resolved if more people become aware of just how useful PURLs are and join together to make use of them. The second problem needs to be fixed by the folks at OCLC by adding some software to the resolver. In spite of these drawbacks I still find them better than URLs and am using them and converting old URLs to PURLs as time permits If anyone is interested in becoming a joint maintainer for links in planetary science just let me know. Regards, David Bigwood bigwood@lpi.jsc.nasa.gov Lunar & Planetary Institute >---------- >From: Robert J. Tiess[SMTP:u1019306@warwick.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:26 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WEB4LIB] PURLs - Do you use them? > >Does anyone on this list use the free OCLC PURL >redirection service? If so, any comments >regarding any aspect of the service? > >I've used one for a site of mine, and it seems >to be a useful service, Lynx-friendly too. I've >also recommended it to a number of webmasters. > >If you're new to PURLs, the official page can >be reached at http://purl.oclc.org > >Robert > From diane at KOVACS.COM Fri Jan 29 10:32:30 1999 From: diane at KOVACS.COM (Diane K. Kovacs) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: Designing and Doing Real-Time Distance Education Using Web and MOO, Part I & Part II Workshops Feburary/March/April 1999 Message-ID: Connect to http://www.kovacs.com/online.html for workshop agendas and details on Registration, Tuition, and Credit: Workshops Listing for 1999 http://www.kovacs.com/online.html Registration for 1999 workshops http://www.kovacs.com/DU/mooclassreg.html ******** Designing and Doing Real-Time Distance Education Using Web and MOO, Part I Wednesdays February 24, March 3 & 10 Noon-2 EDT This workshop is intended for people want to learn about using a MOO to teach distance education students. It is a series of three 2 hour classes in Diversity University MOO, learning how to use the MOO environment to enhance teaching of distance education students. Diversity University MOO provides real-time online meeting space accessible via Web Interface, simple telnet, or MOO client. In the course of this class, you will become familiar with many basic moo commands, become a builder on DU MOO, create an office there as well as at least one basic teaching tool. ******** Designing and Doing Real-Time Distance Education Using Web and MOO, Part II Wednesdays April 14, 21, 28 Noon-2 EDT This workshop is intended for people want to learn more about using a MOO and to integrate MOO meetings with Web-based course materials to teach distance education students. Part I is strongly recommended. It is a series of three 2 hour classes in Diversity University MOO, learning how to integrate Web-Based course materials within the MOO environment to enhance teaching of Distance Education Students. Diversity University MOO provides real-time online meeting space accessible via Web Interface, simple telnet, or MOO client. In this workshop it is best if you use the Web Interface to connect. In the course of this class you learn about managing lecture/discussion sessions online. Upon successful completion of the course, you will be given the ability to create your own group of students and have them come into DU. ********* Mechanisms for Instruction Participants will interact through e-mail with the instructors before and after the workshops in order to become oriented and prepare for the real-time sessions. Instructors will provide free training by appointment on using the MOO facility for basic communication. Participants will complete MOO based activities guided by Web-based materials inside and outside of class hours, as well as 6 hours of Diversity University MOO real-time classroom contact. Participants will connect to http://www.du.org:8888 for real-time instruction. Logins and passwords will be provided before the workshop begins. Materials All materials will be online within the Diversity University system with some support on interactive Web pages. Printed packets of materials will be sent to each participant via priority mail on receipt of tuition checks or P.O.'s. Registration and Tuition http://www.kovacs.com/DU/mooclassreg.html Tuition for 6 hour workshops $75.00 ________________________________________________________________________ Diane K. Kovacs | http://www.kovacs.com Kovacs Consulting - | fax: (330)225-0083 Specializing in Instructor-Led | phone: (330)273-5032 Web-Based Training http://www.kovacs.com/online.html ________________________________________________________________________ 7th Ed.Print/13th Revision Online _Directory of Scholarly and Professional E-Conferences_ http://www.arl.org/scomm/edir/index.html _The Internet Trainer's Total Solution Guide_ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471288322/002-1693589-5325203 _Cybrarians Guide to Successful Internet Programs and Services_ http://www.neal-schuman.com (forthcoming?) _Health and Medicine on the Internet_ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1882208277/002-2591380-2197814 From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Jan 29 11:59:20 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Linking to numeric IP addresses vs. alpha in URLS References: <3AEBE93113F@europa.mc.manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <36B1E8E7.514F64EE@am.appstate.edu> Stacy, Bob Jones has a good suggestion with the Hosts file. Also, going ahead with ip's as links is not a good resolution if you have vendors like some of mine that change servers daily, you will have to edit links daily or worse. Normally vendors will use up to three different servers from what I've seen so, if you use a secondary DNS server or a Hosts file you could probably find out the three or so ips they use in short order. Then just add them to your Hosts file or a second DNS server. If you are using Win95 clients you can add that DNS server to DNS search list. A third alternative might be to see if you can get permission use the DNS ip of another institution or vendor close to you, I think this will work and just add it to the DNS search list ( again, if you are using win9x). Thomas Stacy Pober wrote: > At our library we have several databases (our catalog and some > periodical databases) supplied over an Extranet connection. The > Extranet is intended to provide better performance and more stability > in our connection to these sites. The problem is, when the Extranet is > up and the campus Internet connection is down, we aren't always able to > access the Extranet sites. This is supposedly due to DNS failure > as there is no DNS server on the Extranet and our local DNS server does > not cache addresses. (I say 'supposedly' because one of those sites > does not allow ping or tracert connections from the Extranet sites, and > the failure message isn't one that indicates DNS problems per se.) > > I was considering switching the alphabetic domain name with the numeric > IP addresses in our links to these sites, but according to tech support > at one of the vendors, they don't think this is a good idea, since > they may switch servers (and thus numeric IP's) at times. Since we > just went through a period of several days when we were unable to > access one of these services, I was considering providing a backup link > with a numeric IP for just these times, as in: > > database
> alternate link for > database > > Has anyone done something like this? The idea of providing backup > links just seems a little clunky - is there a more elegant solution? > Is there a way to save the DNS information for these sites locally, so > we wouldn't run into this problem? According to the campus computing > folks, the campus DNS server does not cache address information, so > "locally" would be at the brower or PC level, not at the DNS server. > > //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ > Stacy Pober mailto: spober@manhattan.edu > Information Alchemist http://www.manhattan.edu/library/ > Manhattan College Libraries Voice: 718-862-7166 > Riverdale, NY 10471 Fax: 718-862-7995 > //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Jan 29 12:16:40 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: Platforms and OSs Message-ID: <36B1ECF8.37B5DDBF@am.appstate.edu> It would help to know which platforms and operating systems are being currently used by those asking for ideas and help. For example: If you're using Netscape Navigator and choose a link on a web page which causes Navigator to crash everytime you might get 10 responses saying my Netscape doesn't crash when I choose that link. Although, those responding didn't realize you're running the Unix version of Navigator that has a bug with active server pages. (Remember this is just an example, I am not aware that there is any bug in Navigator and ASP.) This is just a suggestion. How about something simple: Client: OS/Platform/[Network]/Application e.g.. Client: Linux/Intel/Navigator and if it is a Network issue Client: Linux/Intel/Novell/Navigator Its quite short but clears up many assumptions. Not everybody uses M$. m2cw, Thomas From donaldb at library.tmc.edu Fri Jan 29 14:09:28 1999 From: donaldb at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: Optimizing Images on the Web Message-ID: <01BE4B88.9AE6B940.donaldb@library.tmc.edu> My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of the images. Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you would recommend? I searched the Web4Lib archives, but I couldn't find anything on this topic. Thanks for any help. By the way, our homepage URL is: www.library.tmc.edu. Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- Texas Medical Center Library always the beautiful answer donaldb@library.tmc.edu who asks the more beautiful question 713-799-7120 -- e. e. cummings From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Fri Jan 29 14:23:13 1999 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web In-Reply-To: <01BE4B88.9AE6B940.donaldb@library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Donald Barclay wrote: >My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images >on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of >optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of >the images. > >Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you >would recommend? There are many ways to optimize images. Try my co-branded version of GIFCruncher at: http://www.lights.com/publisher/cruncher/ Put your URL: http://www.library.tmc.edu/ in the "Crunch from Web" box. All of your .gif files are returned and you can work on each of them. From schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Fri Jan 29 14:33:16 1999 From: schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Joy Schwarz) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web In-Reply-To: <01BE4B88.9AE6B940.donaldb@library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: Donald - I've used GifBot at < http://www.netmechanic.com/GIFBot.htm >. I like it because it creates several optimized versions of the image, and allows you to compare the "optimized images to the original and select the best trade off between image quality and file size." Joy Schwarz | Any sufficiently Web Coordinator/I.L.L. Librarian | advanced technology Winnefox Library System | is indistinguishable Oshkosh, WI USA | from magic. http://axp.winnefox.org | Clarke's Third Law http://oshkoshonthewater.com Arthur C. Clarke > My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images > on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of > optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of > the images. > > Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you > would recommend? From sdk at mindspring.com Fri Jan 29 14:41:01 1999 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web Message-ID: <007b01be4bbf$4fe07760$aae4e3c7@webm.lib.ci.clearwater.fl.us> Macromedia Fireworks. http://www.macromedia.com/software/fireworks/ You can download a trial version. If you buy before the end of this month (not much time left, I know), they throw in a free training video by Lynda Weinman, which is quite good -- covers plenty of Web graphics essentials in general as well as providing specific instruction in the software. I've been at this a long time, and I managed to learn some stuff from it. Shirl Kennedy Web Doyenne City of Clearwater/Clearwater Public Library System http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Barclay To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 2:09 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web >My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images >on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of >optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of >the images. > >Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you >would recommend? > >I searched the Web4Lib archives, but I couldn't find anything on this >topic. Thanks for any help. > >By the way, our homepage URL is: www.library.tmc.edu. > >Donald A. Barclay >Houston Academy of Medicine- >Texas Medical Center Library > always the beautiful answer >donaldb@library.tmc.edu who >asks the more beautiful question >713-799-7120 > -- >e. e. cummings > From morganj at iupui.edu Fri Jan 29 14:48:04 1999 From: morganj at iupui.edu (morganj@iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web In-Reply-To: <01BE4B88.9AE6B940.donaldb@library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: Netmechanic (http://www.netmechanic.com) has a very nice free image optimization service, if you don't have a lot to do. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Donald Barclay wrote: > My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images > on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of > optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of > the images. > > Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you > would recommend? > > I searched the Web4Lib archives, but I couldn't find anything on this > topic. Thanks for any help. > > By the way, our homepage URL is: www.library.tmc.edu. > > Donald A. Barclay > Houston Academy of Medicine- > Texas Medical Center Library > always the beautiful answer > donaldb@library.tmc.edu who > asks the more beautiful question > 713-799-7120 > -- > e. e. cummings > From rpaquin at wlu.ca Fri Jan 29 14:59:36 1999 From: rpaquin at wlu.ca (Rene Paquin) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990129145936.009bae20@mserver.wlu.ca> Hello all Has anyone established an electronic course reserve system? I sure would like to know about it ie implementation, software, hardware, etc. This is something the librarians are discussing and I am just starting to do some research on this topic. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Rene Paquin Network Administrator Wilfrid Laurier University, Library Waterloo, Ontario (519)669-5509 rpaquin@wlu.ca From stjones at umbc.edu Fri Jan 29 15:05:13 1999 From: stjones at umbc.edu (Steve Jones) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: slide/film scanners Message-ID: <001501be4bc2$ae6c3be0$62965582@lib.umbc.edu> I'd appreciate anyone with recent experience in selecting/using slide/film scanners. We do not need automated slide scanning, but do want high resolution. Also, what specs did you find most necessary in a pc workstation to support the scanner? Many thanks. Steve Jones UMBC Library From ericlee at oise.utoronto.ca Fri Jan 29 15:50:40 1999 From: ericlee at oise.utoronto.ca (Eric Lee) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web In-Reply-To: <01BE4B88.9AE6B940.donaldb@library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: I've used GIFWizard http://www.gifwizard.com/ which is equally at home with JPEG, with good results. It is a subscription, Web based service (i.e. it costs). It shows several degrees of compaction, and resulting degradation, for each image and gives many choices of how much compaction to do. Other tools I've heard of but haven't used are: graFX Image Editor http://www.dsdesign.com/ulead/ssaver.htm Picobello http://www.picobello.com/ Eric Lee On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Donald Barclay wrote: > My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images > on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of > optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of > the images. > From msilva at ccemtl.org Fri Jan 29 15:28:53 1999 From: msilva at ccemtl.org (Marcos Silva) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: CV/Applicants software Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990129152853.00976540@205.151.216.3> Can anyone suggest software to keep track of CVs, applicants, consultants, etc., that can be searched by different fields: Subject, language, citizenship, etc. Many thanks, Marcos Marcos Silva Manager, Network and Information Services Commission for Environmental Cooperation 393 rue Saint-Jacques, Ouest Bureau 200 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H2Y 1N9 Tel: (514) 350-4348 Fax: (514) 350-4314 Email: msilva@ccemtl.org http://www.cec.org IMPORTANT NOTICE: Every attempt has been made to ensure that attached documents are virus free. However, please scan all attached documents for viruses prior to usage. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Jan 29 16:18:11 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: CGI Script Question References: Message-ID: <36B22593.6F3E3703@waterford.lib.mi.us> Here's a question for any of the CGI Pro's out there. Is there a way to create a CGI script that will submit several variables -- in this case a password and authorization -- to a specified URL? I know how to do this with Javascript -- the following code demonstrates that -- the Javascript command 'onLoad' submits the values of the form 'oclc' to the URL specified in the ACTION variable. This example allows an automatic log-in to OCLC FirstSearch Usage Statistics.
However, this method leaves your password, etc. out in the open for any one determined enough to get at it. I would like to be able to hide this information in a script that can be hidden away in out CGI-BIN directory. Is this doable?? Thanks for the help! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Charter Township of Waterford, MI From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Jan 29 16:44:52 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CGI Script Question References: <36B22593.6F3E3703@waterford.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <36B22BD4.6A572C6@am.appstate.edu> Using PERL the example shows the following: Client-Side Sockets use IO::Socket; $sock = new IO::Socket::INET (PeerAddr => 'www.ora.com', PeerPort => 80, Proto => 'tcp'); die "$!" unless $sock; Server-Side Sockets use IO::Socket; $sock = new IO::Socket::INET (LocalAddr => 'maude.ora.com', LocalPort => 8888, Proto => 'tcp', Listen =>5); The client side example attempts to connect to PeerAddr over PeerPort using tcp. The server side example provides a wrapper for creating the server socket. The parameters for the new socket object determine whether it is a server or client socket. Local provides the address and port to bind to the socket. The Listen can wait for an accept. When the server receives a client request, it calls the accept methon on the socket object. This creates a new socket on which the rest of the communication can take place: $new_sock = $sock->accept(): When communication is finished on both client and server sockets, they should be destroyed with "close" other wise the socket will remain in use. The command "send" writes data to a file handle so you could probably do something like add in the line: $logonauth = "###-###-###"; $authpass = "XXXX"; send($sock, $logonauth); send ($sock, $authpass); I don't know if that will work but you may want to try it. This is from a short section in PERL IN A NUTSHELL book (about 10 pages) on sockets. If you haven't used perl with forms there are some very basic examples at http://intelnt.library.appstate.edu/cs3490/ I know this is not a complete answer but maybe it well help with direction. Thomas Andrew Mutch wrote: > Here's a question for any of the CGI Pro's out there. Is there a way to create > a CGI script that will submit several variables -- in this case a password and > authorization -- to a specified URL? > > I know how to do this with Javascript -- the following code demonstrates that -- > the Javascript command 'onLoad' submits the values of the form 'oclc' to the URL > specified in the ACTION variable. This example allows an automatic log-in to > OCLC FirstSearch Usage Statistics. > > > NAME="oclc" > METHOD=post > ACTION="http://www.stats.oclc.org/cgi-bin/db2www/simoclc0.d2w/report"> > > > > However, this method leaves your password, etc. out in the open for any one > determined enough to get at it. I would like to be able to hide this > information in a script that can be hidden away in out CGI-BIN directory. Is > this doable?? > > Thanks for the help! > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Charter Township of Waterford, MI From fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net Fri Jan 29 17:35:58 1999 From: fmt008 at mail.connect.more.net (MO River Regional Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web Message-ID: <01BE4BA5.78F37220@CDROM1> I have used the GIF Lube at Web Site Garage and found it pretty easy to use. You can see what your image will look like after compression before you decide how much you want to compress it. Best of all - it's a free service! You can find it at http://www.websitegarage.com. This is only for GIF formats, I'm not as familiar with compressing JPEGs. Robin Hastings Computer Services Assistant Missouri River Regional Library ICQ #28391523 573-634-6064 x242 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Barclay [SMTP:donaldb@library.tmc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 1:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Optimizing Images on the Web My library's new homepage looks nice, but I've had reports that the images on it are slow to load for some folks. I would like to find some way of optimizing the images (making them small) without damaging the quality of the images. Has anyone on the list had experience with this? Any software product you would recommend? I searched the Web4Lib archives, but I couldn't find anything on this topic. Thanks for any help. By the way, our homepage URL is: www.library.tmc.edu. Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- Texas Medical Center Library always the beautiful answer donaldb@library.tmc.edu who asks the more beautiful question 713-799-7120 -- e. e. cummings From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sat Jan 30 09:41:19 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:39 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199901301441.JAA18045@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Donald Barclay asks (and I'm paraphrasing here), "We have 14 separate GIFs on our home page. How can I make them load faster?" I suggest that the most complete answer to this question will involve more than just software to diddle the size/palette/whatever of each GIF. The page needs a redesign, possibly getting rid of some images, possibly combining others into single-image maps. I'd recommend a substantially smaller logo and a single client-side map for the six main menu choices, minus the distracting MouseOvers. Then see if you still need to tweak either of those images. Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us Sun Jan 31 16:52:50 1999 From: miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:43 2005 Subject: Web Connect? Message-ID: Has anyone had a chance to look at a beta of Web Connect from Winnebago? I've heard conflicting reports from the company about what it can and can not do. I'm particularly interested in knowing if it will make Winnebago's Symposium 3 catalog web-accessible to patrons using a conventional browser. --- Michael J. Dargan office: 319 291 4496 Technical Systems Administrator fax: 319 291 6736 Waterloo and Cedar Falls Public Libraries Waterloo, IA 50701 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Sun Jan 31 16:59:39 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: In-Reply-To: <310BD238.A0A0D18F@nichols.edu> Message-ID: For me, the breakthrough on electronic reserves came when I read a paper from the the conference "The Universe at Your Fingertips: Continuing Web Education", April 1997. It was by Phil Kesten, the principal of Docutek, and his description of their product had me "running" to his Web site to get more information, and shortly thereafter I "ran" to decision makers at my library to get support for a pilot project. The rest, as they say, is history. For the Fall 1997 semester, we had around 45,000 document views (out of close to a quarter million hits) for maybe a couple dozen courses. At that point it was still in a limited test. Now we are starting to roll it out to everyone. All those involved think it is a great solution -- even, somewhat to our surprise (since faculty are responsible for mounting their own content), the faculty. Recently we responded to an ARL SPEC kit survey on E-Reserves systems, so you may want to contact them about the publication schedule for it. The Docutek Web site is at: http://www.docutek.com/ and our implementation of it is at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/ERes/ Some courses are password-protected, others are not, so you may need to poke around a bit to find one that's open. Docutek has been incredibly responsive throughout. They worked with one of our professors to incorporate a method to submit items via fax, which greatly extends the reach of the system to faculty without scanners who wish to mount hand-written materials. One time when we had a required database file that became corrupted, Docutek staff logged into our system and pieced the file back together for us. Their response has always been speedy and effective. But the bottom line is that this is a system we can live with. The Library simply provides the infrastructure (storage, the Docutek software, a Web server), creates and manages accounts, and publicizes and supports the service. The faculty are then responsible for creating and managing their own reserve materials. One caveat is that this system works best for courses that do not require placing entire books or other large masses of material online. But then, that would be a drawback for any reserves system. I have no connection with Docutek except as a satisfied customer, and one, I might add, who is unspeakably happy to have such a simple and yet elegant solution to what seemed at first to be a black hole for staff time. Roy Tennant On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jim Douglas wrote: > Hello: > My name is Jim Douglas and I am Electronic Resources Librarian at Conant > Library, Nichols College, Dudley, Massachusetts. I also am looking into > e-reserves and hope to implement a system here during the summer. While a > number of institutions already have instituted a system and many more are now > working on one, it seems no one has shared the nuts-and-bolts of how to set one > up.(Anybody listening?) From what I have seen, e-reserves essentially includes > either copying documents and making them available as Web pages or scanning > them and converting them to PDF files or something similar, mounting them on a > server with access links (generally from some Web page), and password > protecting some or all documents depending on copyright concerns. How you go > about it will depend, of course, on a number of factors, including: > > hardware/software options > copyright issues (what documents will be made avaialble? What > procedures/policies will > be put into place to make sure of compliance with copyright law?) > amount of material to be placed on e-reserve (Ths in turn will impact the > choice of > software/hardware) > manpower (scanning, for example) > technological knowhow (for example, if you want to go all in-house, does > someone in the > organization know how to password- protect documents, will you need CGI > scripts/JAVA applications, etc.) > > There are a few turn-key solutions available and I suspect we will see more in > the near future. Because we are such a small institution (but one that, > fortunately, already has the hardware/software needed for our purposes), we are > going to go with an in-house solution (myself with a lot of help from my tech > colleagues; the IT department and the library recently merged; this will be a > good project to demonstrate the benefits of such a merger). > > One of the best online resources I've found is > > Electronic Reserves Clearinghouse: Links and Materials on the Web > > at > > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~rosedale/#copyright > > You might also take a look at two (now somewhat old but still excellent) papers > from I library school students that are available online: > > "Digital Reserves" by Carolyn Sprague, Donna Movsovich, Sara Hively, Jonathan > Kelly, V.Delphine Khanna > at > http://web.syr.edu/~jfkell01/531report.html > > and > > "How I spent my summer vacation: Electronic Reserve Systems" by Elizabeth > Kraemer > at > http://www.uky.edu/~kraemer/Beth/ind_stud.htm > > I would be most interested in the responses you receive and I suspect many > others on the list would appreciate a summary of responses as well. > > Jim Douglas, Electronic Resources Librarian > Conant Library > Nichols College > Dudley, MA 01571 > 1-508-213-2333 > E Mail: douglajs@nichols.edu > > > Rene Paquin wrote: > > > Hello all > > > > Has anyone established an electronic course reserve system? > > I sure would like to know about it ie implementation, software, hardware, > > etc. This is something the librarians are discussing and I am just > > starting to do some research on this topic. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Rene Paquin > > Network Administrator > > Wilfrid Laurier University, Library > > Waterloo, Ontario > > > > (519)669-5509 > > rpaquin@wlu.ca > > > > From scramond at library.adelaide.edu.au Sun Jan 31 18:55:47 1999 From: scramond at library.adelaide.edu.au (Steve Cramond) Date: Wed May 18 14:54:43 2005 Subject: Electronic Reserves> Tennant speaks.... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990201085547.00b5e450@library.adelaide.edu.au> For me, the breakthrough on electronic reserves came when I read a paper from the the conference "The Universe at Your Fingertips: Continuing Web Education", April 1997. It was by Phil Kesten, the principal of Docutek, and his description of their product had me "running" to his Web site to get more information, and shortly thereafter I "ran" to decision makers at my library to get support for a pilot project. The rest, as they say, is history. For the Fall 1997 semester, we had around 45,000 document views (out of close to a quarter million hits) for maybe a couple dozen courses. At that point it was still in a limited test. Now we are starting to roll it out to everyone. All those involved think it is a great solution -- even, somewhat to our surprise (since faculty are responsible for mounting their own content), the faculty. Recently we responded to an ARL SPEC kit survey on E-Reserves systems, so you may want to contact them about the publication schedule for it. The Docutek Web site is at: http://www.docutek.com/ and our implementation of it is at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/ERes/ Some courses are password-protected, others are not, so you may need to poke around a bit to find one that's open. Docutek has been incredibly responsive throughout. They worked with one of our professors to incorporate a method to submit items via fax, which greatly extends the reach of the system to faculty without scanners who wish to mount hand-written materials. One time when we had a required database file that became corrupted, Docutek staff logged into our system and pieced the file back together for us. Their response has always been speedy and effective. But the bottom line is that this is a system we can live with. The Library simply provides the infrastructure (storage, the Docutek software, a Web server), creates and manages accounts, and publicizes and supports the service. The faculty are then responsible for creating and managing their own reserve materials. One caveat is that this system works best for courses that do not require placing entire books or other large masses of material online. But then, that would be a drawback for any reserves system. I have no connection with Docutek except as a satisfied customer, and one, I might add, who is unspeakably happy to have such a simple and yet elegant solution to what seemed at first to be a black hole for staff time. Roy Tennant On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jim Douglas wrote: > Hello: > My name is Jim Douglas and I am Electronic Resources Librarian at Conant > Library, Nichols College, Dudley, Massachusetts. I also am looking into > e-reserves and hope to implement a system here during the summer. While a > number of institutions already have instituted a system and many more are now > working on one, it seems no one has shared the nuts-and-bolts of how to set one > up.(Anybody listening?) From what I have seen, e-reserves essentially includes > either copying documents and making them available as Web pages or scanning > them and converting them to PDF files or something similar, mounting them on a > server with access links (generally from some Web page), and password > protecting some or all documents depending on copyright concerns. How you go > about it will depend, of course, on a number of factors, including: > > hardware/software options > copyright issues (what documents will be made avaialble? What > procedures/policies will > be put into place to make sure of compliance with copyright law?) > amount of material to be placed on e-reserve (Ths in turn will impact the > choice of > software/hardware) > manpower (scanning, for example) > technological knowhow (for example, if you want to go all in-house, does > someone in the > organization know how to password- protect documents, will you need CGI > scripts/JAVA applications, etc.) > > There are a few turn-key solutions available and I suspect we will see more in > the near future. Because we are such a small institution (but one that, > fortunately, already has the hardware/software needed for our purposes), we are > going to go with an in-house solution (myself with a lot of help from my tech > colleagues; the IT department and the library recently merged; this will be a > good project to demonstrate the benefits of such a merger). > > One of the best online resources I've found is > > Electronic Reserves Clearinghouse: Links and Materials on the Web > > at > > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~rosedale/#copyright > > You might also take a look at two (now somewhat old but still excellent) papers > from I library school students that are available online: > > "Digital Reserves" by Carolyn Sprague, Donna Movsovich, Sara Hively, Jonathan > Kelly, V.Delphine Khanna > at > http://web.syr.edu/~jfkell01/531report.html > > and > > "How I spent my summer vacation: Electronic Reserve Systems" by Elizabeth > Kraemer > at > http://www.uky.edu/~kraemer/Beth/ind_stud.htm > > I would be most interested in the responses you receive and I suspect many > others on the list would appreciate a summary of responses as well. > > Jim Douglas, Electronic Resources Librarian > Conant Library > Nichols College > Dudley, MA 01571 > 1-508-213-2333 > E Mail: douglajs@nichols.edu > > > Rene Paquin wrote: > > > Hello all > > > > Has anyone established an electronic course reserve system? > > I sure would like to know about it ie implementation, software, hardware, > > etc. This is something the librarians are discussing and I am just > > starting to do some research on this topic. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Rene Paquin > > Network Administrator > > Wilfrid Laurier University, Library > > Waterloo, Ontario > > > > (519)669-5509 > > rpaquin@wlu.ca > > > > Regards, ___________________________________________________________________ Steve Cramond Electronic Information Resources Librarian University of Adelaide Library eMail: scramond@library.adelaide.edu.au Phone: +61 8 8303 3629 Fax: +61 8 8303 4369 Postal Address: University of Adelaide Library, Adelaide SA 5005, Australia From pdurusau at emory.edu Wed Jan 13 07:43:34 1999 From: pdurusau at emory.edu (Patrick Durusau) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog References: Message-ID: <369C94F6.FEF51DF@emory.edu> Roy, > I appreciate the need to lighten up and play now and then. But when there > simply are not enough hours in the day to get the books back on the shelf > here in boring reality, it doesn't always seem like a good use of time. > Any community learning to use a new technology like VRML faces a drain from current resources. The question is whether it will develop into something that will be useful to the community. I am sure the early attempts to develop one of the distance collaboration white-boards with Mathematica (a sophisticated mathematics software package) among physicists probably took more resources than would be required to fly them all to a central location to collaborate in person. But once that technology is in place and easier to use, the benefit for distant collaborators is quite large. One good way to develop a base of people, in this case librarians, who have the technical skills to use the latest technology is to allow them to experiment or "play" with it. It is difficult to judge which technologies will emerge as standards but funding issues will only become more difficult if libraries are defended on the basis of traditional tasks. (On a personal note I do not see technology as a threat to librarians or libraries. The more complex our information systems become the greater the need for librarians and libraries to extract useful information from them. Legislators who see the Internet or technology as reducing the need for either are probably unable to fully utilize the index to a book much less a library.) > > I can remember when a colleague at CNIDR was really into MOOs and MUDs for > interacting with users. "Patrons" could wander in, take on an avatar > existence of one thing or another, and ply the virtual librarian with > whatever questions or comments or lewd suggestions happened to pop into > their brain. I thought it was idiotic and a waste of time. That was back > in the early 90s. It's *still* idiotic and a waste of time. > I disagree that MOOs and MUDs are or were "idiotic and a waste of time." It is from the experience with such technologies that many of the collaboration tools that are just now coming online were developed. Not as direct descendants but in terms of what will or won't work in such an environment. I am not sure I would recommend such an interface for a public library but I could see the successor to such systems working for a research library quite well. I always vote for taxes for libraries and write angry missives to the newspaper when people try to censor the local library. I see support for technology, since it is well on the way to becoming ubiquitous in society, as a visible sign that libraries are relevant and useful to the community. Yes, I already know that to be a fact but it is a fact that must be "sold" to the public if one hopes to get larger budgets. Patrick -- Patrick Durusau Information Technology Services Scholars Press pdurusau@emory.edu Interim Manager, ITS From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Jan 13 08:15:01 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Message-ID: <004201be3ef6$b9d9fae0$6a9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Back to Roy's initial reaction (and my own, though I was coy about it): what advantages does VRML add to a library navigation interface? Is it helping people get to resources? Is it helping to physically locate those resources? Would it be better structured if users had a VRML movie appear AFTER searching a "normal" interface for a resource, with the purpose being to physically lead them to the appropriate area? Would this be any more helpful than a more simply rendered floor plan? But as a primary interface, what's the point of recreating the sensation of being in a library and stumbling around to find things? Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Durusau To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:39 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library >Roy, > > >> I appreciate the need to lighten up and play now and then. But when there >> simply are not enough hours in the day to get the books back on the shelf >> here in boring reality, it doesn't always seem like a good use of time. >> > >Any community learning to use a new technology like VRML faces a drain from >current resources. The question is whether it will develop into something that >will be useful to the community. I am sure the early attempts to develop one of >the distance collaboration white-boards with Mathematica (a sophisticated >mathematics software package) among physicists probably took more resources than >would be required to fly them all to a central location to collaborate in person. >But once that technology is in place and easier to use, the benefit for distant >collaborators is quite large. > >One good way to develop a base of people, in this case librarians, who have the >technical skills to use the latest technology is to allow them to experiment or >"play" with it. It is difficult to judge which technologies will emerge as >standards but funding issues will only become more difficult if libraries are >defended on the basis of traditional tasks. (On a personal note I do not see >technology as a threat to librarians or libraries. The more complex our >information systems become the greater the need for librarians and libraries to >extract useful information from them. Legislators who see the Internet or >technology as reducing the need for either are probably unable to fully utilize >the index to a book much less a library.) > > >> >> I can remember when a colleague at CNIDR was really into MOOs and MUDs for >> interacting with users. "Patrons" could wander in, take on an avatar >> existence of one thing or another, and ply the virtual librarian with >> whatever questions or comments or lewd suggestions happened to pop into >> their brain. I thought it was idiotic and a waste of time. That was back >> in the early 90s. It's *still* idiotic and a waste of time. >> > >I disagree that MOOs and MUDs are or were "idiotic and a waste of time." It is >from the experience with such technologies that many of the collaboration tools >that are just now coming online were developed. Not as direct descendants but in >terms of what will or won't work in such an environment. I am not sure I would >recommend such an interface for a public library but I could see the successor to >such systems working for a research library quite well. > >I always vote for taxes for libraries and write angry missives to the newspaper >when people try to censor the local library. I see support for technology, since >it is well on the way to becoming ubiquitous in society, as a visible sign that >libraries are relevant and useful to the community. Yes, I already know that to >be a fact but it is a fact that must be "sold" to the public if one hopes to get >larger budgets. > >Patrick > >-- >Patrick Durusau >Information Technology Services >Scholars Press >pdurusau@emory.edu >Interim Manager, ITS > > > From nppublib at pa.net Wed Jan 13 09:35:41 1999 From: nppublib at pa.net (Newport Public Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: Telnet and Fortres Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990113143541.006829c8@emh1.pa.net> Sue Pearce, Beware the telnet-Fortres combination. There is a way to bypass Fortres using telnet (specifically, EWAN's telnet program), cumbersone as it is. I wouldn't think it would be a problem for most situations, but thoroughly test your final configuration before letting the public/students on the PC's. I think the hole could be plugged, but we just get around it here by not allowing telnet to the public. No one has complained, so I haven't been asked to fiddle with it. Jeanne Heicher xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Newport Public Library Hours: 316 N. 4th St. Newport PA 17074 Mon.& Wed 1-8PM (717)567-6860 FAX(717)567-3373 Tues.& Thurs. 10AM-5PM http://www.pa.net/nppublib Fri. 1-5PM Sat. 10-noon Thank you for supporting your community library. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From jbenedet at unm.edu Wed Jan 13 10:09:29 1999 From: jbenedet at unm.edu (John T. Benedetto) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Telnet and Fortres/Bypassing In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990113143541.006829c8@emh1.pa.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Newport Public Library wrote: > Sue Pearce, > > Beware the telnet-Fortres combination. There is a way to bypass Fortres > using telnet (specifically, EWAN's telnet program), cumbersone as it is. Uh... um... how about telling us about bypassing Fortres, for all of us who can't "beware the telnet-Fortres combination". We HAVE to allow access to telnet. Enough resources are still telnet-only that it's not a choice. I _guess_ we could forgo it for our catalog, since the last upgrade got us a webpac. (We are using QVT/Term as our telnet client). I *DO* know you can bypass Fortres if you have a graphical FTP client (not sure about a text-based client). The students at our Circulation desk figured that one out. In WS_FTP, you can browse the files on the local drive, and choose "execute", They were able to run Netscape this way, after we had decreed that student employees were not allowed to browse on the staff machine sitting in Circulation. (I had taken the Netscape icon off of the desktop). So, could you tell us HOW to bypass Fortres with a telnet client? (Thanks in advance). - John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 From cbearden at ruf.rice.edu Wed Jan 13 10:17:13 1999 From: cbearden at ruf.rice.edu (Charles F. Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape plug-ins and helpers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Hagen Amen wrote: > Why can't you just remove the actual plug-in from the plug-ins > directory? I do this all the time. I keep an archive of common plug-ins, > and just drag and drop. Most common ones seem to handle it just fine. > Every time Netscape loads, it scans that directory and builds the list. > > > Hagen Amen > MCL Automation Services > > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Kucera, Ann wrote: > > > According to our PC help desk, the only way to get rid of the plug ins is to > > uninstall Netscape and reinstall it without the plug ins. > > > > > Jane Neale[SMTP:nealej@libmail.sysadm.suny.edu] asked: > > > > Is there a way to change from these Netscape plug-ins > > > to another application or a competing plug-in? Sometimes the problem is in the associations between the file extensions and the plugins, e.g. the Real Player plugin has claimed the .rpm extension, which makes it impossible to download Red Hat (or, I suspect, Caldera or SUSE) Linux packages. It seems to me a case of bad design, and I resent having to compensate for it by stopping and starting Netscape every time I want to move from one of these tasks to the other. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Chuck Bearden cbearden@rice.edu Electronic Resources Librarian Fondren Library--MS44 713 / 527-8101 x3634 Rice University 713 / 737-5859 (fax) P.O. Box 1892 Houston, TX 77251-1892 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From jbenedet at unm.edu Wed Jan 13 10:25:53 1999 From: jbenedet at unm.edu (John T. Benedetto) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Netscape plug-ins and helpers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Charles F. Bearden wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Hagen Amen wrote: > > Why can't you just remove the actual plug-in from the plug-ins > > directory? > > Hagen Amen > > MCL Automation Services > > > > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Kucera, Ann wrote: > > > According to our PC help desk, the only way to get rid of the plug > ins is to > > > uninstall Netscape and reinstall it without the plug ins. > Sometimes the problem is in the associations between the file > extensions and the plugins, e.g. the Real Player plugin has claimed > the .rpm extension, which makes it impossible to download Red Hat > (or, I suspect, Caldera or SUSE) Linux packages. > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Chuck Bearden cbearden@rice.edu I wasn't aware that the Red Hat files were ".rpm" but two thoughts popped in my head when I read your message... - Does RealPlayer count as a plug-in? I thought it claimed the .rm and .ram extensions... did not know about .rpm. I would call it a helper app, not a plug-in. That is a slight difference, but significant in this case. It has it's own uninstall options, both in the control panel, and in the "Real" program group. - to save a file, just SHIFT-click it. I do that all the time. You should also be able to right-click it, and have an option to save it. While you cannot save streaming media, such as RealPlayer files, you can save many many other types. - John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 From stemp003 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jan 13 11:33:41 1999 From: stemp003 at tc.umn.edu (Jim Stemper) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: Directories of Campus Digital Collections Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990113103341.0084ae10@gold.tc.umn.edu> Hello, I'm forwarding this request from a colleague who does not subscribe to this list. If you have any input, please reply directly to her. Thanks for your help! js ____________________________________________________ From: Jerilyn Veldof Subject: Directories of Campus Digital Collections Hi folks - I'm hoping that you can help point us to some directories of digital assets or collections that faculty in your departments have home-grown to support their teaching. I'm working on a campus-wide committee that is very interested in seeing these disparate collections brought together in a directory or catalog. What's happening now, for example, is that one faculty will create a digital photography collection to use in his courses that another faculty in a different department could also use. Neither know about each other! If we had a web directory to these resources (and eventually a catalog record in our OPAC) other faculty and students would not only know of their existence, but could either access them from the network or at least know where to go to get access or copies. I know enough about metadata and faculty ownership issues to know that this is a complex undertaking. If we can even just get a pilot project going to make this our niche on campus and then to test feasibility to make this more wide-scale, that would be thrilling. Have you done anything like this yet? If so, would you send me a URL or some information about what you've done? Thanks! I'll summarize and share with the list. Jerilyn ============================================================ Jerilyn R. Veldof Distance Learning Instruction Librarian/Faculty Liaison University of Minnesota Libraries phone: (612) 624-1529 fax: (612) 626-9353 mailto:jveldof@tc.umn.edu http://www.lib.umn.edu/dist/jveldof.html "Avoid automating the past." Gloria Gery From arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca Wed Jan 13 13:30:35 1999 From: arhyno at server.uwindsor.ca (Rhyno Art) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Catalog In-Reply-To: from "thom" at Jan 12, 99 09:40:55 pm Message-ID: <199901131830.NAA52833@server.uwindsor.ca> > The question isn't whether it works today but can you imagine a future > with something like it in it? I can. I want to see version 2 which > probably means that a group of folks on something like web4lib have to get > together and play. > > Thoughts? > VRML occupies a rather peculiar position in the web world and it can bring mixed blessings when included in an institution's web services. At its best, VRML is an alternative to the page metaphor of the web and can let us experience information as conveyed by the physical objects and layouts that are part of our existence. VRML is too often used for simply offering a 3D version of an existing interface, making the process of interacting with a site much slower and more of a chore to manoeuvre around. Yahoo tried this with Yahoo!3D, a VRML-based access point to its directory structure that probably slowed down the access time for anyone over 30 by a factor of 10. Still, I agree with Thom, VRML does have potential for activities where a spatial structure offers advantages for working with information. The University of New Brunswick, for example, offers a tour of the campus using VRML which could be useful for new students and visitors to get a sense of where the buildings are located when they arrive. Learning Sites makes good use of VRML for providing educational applications, supplying reconstructions of worlds from ancient times. VRML also offers a way to control lighting conditions when displaying images and objects, which can be invaluable for many kinds of art. One area that VRML might someday be useful for in the OPAC is with shelf-browsing, a somewhat difficult activity to successfully mimic in an online 2D environment. We have mapped virtual shelves from call number displays with VRML and have found that it is still too slow to be practical but there may be solutions to speeding up the process. One of the issues with VRML is that the authoring software typically used to create a VRML world often produces a hefty file that then must be delivered to a web browser. The trick for a VRML world that will be downloaded often or will be updated dynamically is probably to do the same thing we do with HTML files that come out of packages like Front Page and change or rewrite the code by hand. Improved file formats, streaming techniques, middleware and other approaches may also make VRML as easy and as fast to deliver to a browser as an HTML page. Like any technology, VRML needs to be deployed where it makes sense, but humans are hard-wired for 3D layouts and, in moderation, VRML may turn out to be a useful addition to our toolkit for delivering information to the desktop. art --- Art Rhyno, Systems Librarian Leddy Library, University of Windsor Internet: arhyno@uwindsor.ca Tel: (519) 253-4232, EXT. 3163 FAX: (519) 973-7076 WWW: From thom at indiana.edu Wed Jan 13 14:21:20 1999 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library In-Reply-To: <004201be3ef6$b9d9fae0$6a9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Jerry Kuntz wrote: > But as a primary interface, what's the point of recreating the sensation of > being in a library and stumbling around to find things? The idea of creating 'space' is essential to vrml. We like space, we use it all the time and vrml space is not going to be 'library' space as we know it. It will be hyperspace where you do things you can't normally do in real space, sorta like 'the web', cyberspace, information highway ... the space metaphor has been with us from the beginning. I think there are some folks on this list who don't want to do vrml or any spatial modeling in this lifetime but do think there are a ton of 'kids' in schools and all over the 'space' who would love to give it a try. It is cool and this is a very cool attempt. I just showed this to a class full of 'kids' and they all said: Cool! They will do it because it is cool, they have the time and the interest and they know that their entry into the information economy is probably doing things the older more established folks 'don't have the time for'. This is how it always has been. I don't think creating 'the space' is the way it ends up but it is the way it has to begin because we always begin with what we understand. We have done it with every medium every invented. McLuhan's 'content of every new medium is always an old medium.' Bolter has just published 'Remediation' which is mostly a book length rehash of McLuhan's sentence. Vrml will remediate everything because it can and then it will figure out what it does best and do it with a passion. The other thing vrml does which the web does not is create 'immediacy', it actually reduces interface. Years back at Berkeley, Buckland announced that he was giving a class called "Designing Bibliographic Robots." Real dumb idea, real silly but it went on for terms with faculty and students from all over the campus whacking their heads together and eventually leading into a Digital Library grant. When the web first began I had a student who immediately decided he wanted to design the slis web at Iu. The department basicly said: Good idea, no one wants to do this, you do it. He was in my game design class just the term before and he saw it as a 'game' so he made it fun, it grew like crazy. He learned a lot by playing and eventually AOL found him and hired him as one of their earliest webmasters. They called me up and asked me if I have more like him, folks who understood information organization, games, graphics and the web. They wanted him because he had played with the 'new' and knew how to use it in ways that the established folks didn't. This vrml project isn't a message for the 'old' folks it is for the young folks coming up and looking for an edge. I say do the normal web work in school but also make lots of time to create a vrml design project, play with it, see where it leads and pop it out at an interview with the 'older' folks ... and they will hire you because you can do what they can't or won't. Same as it always was, same as it always was. No disrespect for any of the 'older' folks, I'm probably older 8-) --Thom \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/dmd/immersion.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Wed Jan 13 15:20:28 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library Message-ID: <014d01be3f32$29f52940$6a9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Jedi Knight is a "cool" 3D experience. Battle Zone is a "cool" 3D experience. The library catalog interface under discussion here, however, does nothing to "save the time of the reader", which I thought was one of the tenets upon which we were all in agreement. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org -----Original Message----- From: thom To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library >The idea of creating 'space' is essential to vrml. We like space, we use >it all the time and vrml space is not going to be 'library' space as we >know it. It will be hyperspace where you do things you can't normally do >in real space, sorta like 'the web', cyberspace, information highway ... >the space metaphor has been with us from the beginning. > >I think there are some folks on this list who don't want to do vrml or any >spatial modeling in this lifetime but do think there are a ton of 'kids' >in schools and all over the 'space' who would love to give it a try. It is >cool and this is a very cool attempt. I just showed this to a class full >of 'kids' and they all said: Cool! They will do it because it is cool, >they have the time and the interest and they know that their entry into >the information economy is probably doing things the older more >established folks 'don't have the time for'. This is how it always has >been. > >I don't think creating 'the space' is the way it ends up but it is the way >it has to begin because we always begin with what we understand. We have >done it with every medium every invented. McLuhan's 'content of every new >medium is always an old medium.' Bolter has just published 'Remediation' >which is mostly a book length rehash of McLuhan's sentence. Vrml will >remediate everything because it can and then it will figure out what it >does best and do it with a passion. The other thing vrml does which the >web does not is create 'immediacy', it actually reduces interface. > >Years back at Berkeley, Buckland announced that he was giving a class >called "Designing Bibliographic Robots." Real dumb idea, real silly but >it went on for terms with faculty and students from all over the campus >whacking their heads together and eventually leading into a Digital >Library grant. > >When the web first began I had a student who immediately decided he wanted >to design the slis web at Iu. The department basicly said: Good idea, no >one wants to do this, you do it. He was in my game design class just the >term before and he saw it as a 'game' so he made it fun, it grew like >crazy. He learned a lot by playing and eventually AOL found him and hired >him as one of their earliest webmasters. They called me up and asked me if >I have more like him, folks who understood information organization, >games, graphics and the web. They wanted him because he had played with >the 'new' and knew how to use it in ways that the established folks >didn't. > >This vrml project isn't a message for the 'old' folks it is for the young >folks coming up and looking for an edge. I say do the normal web work >in school but also make lots of time to create a vrml design project, >play with it, see where it leads and pop it out at an interview with the >'older' folks ... and they will hire you because you can do what they >can't or won't. Same as it always was, same as it always was. > >No disrespect for any of the 'older' folks, I'm probably older 8-) > >--Thom > > \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE > /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu >6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) > \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) > ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html > WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments > / WW \ www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/dmd/immersion.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or >conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland > > From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Wed Jan 13 15:25:52 1999 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: 3D (VRML) Interface to IRCAM's Multimedia Library In-Reply-To: <199901131752.JAA17075@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <002001be3f32$ea413810$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Jerry Kuntz asks the right question about simulations (VRML or otherwise) of a library physical space: >what advantages does VRML add to a library navigation interface? Let me suggest a few potential ones off the top of my head. First, and easiest, is a comparison with a "simply rendered floor plan." There's a lot of good cognitive psych research that shows cognitive style differences between people who use plan and route knowledge to do wayfinding. A plan is a rather poor tool for the people who need a route, and vv. So it's at least plausible to believe that providing virtual routes to resources in a complex 3 d space (most libraries) would be a useful navigational tool. Here the task is finding specific resources that have already been identified by some other means (such as a hierarchical textual catalog or a web page that says "we have a scanner in our Information Technology Center" but doesn't say how to find the ITC). Unlike a physical walkthrough, a virtual one also allows easy perspective shifts (so I could switch between a route view and a birds eye view that is quite map-like, or zoom out to find out where the NA books are filed then zoom in on a particular display case in the collection of library scale models). A realistic virtual world also provides a good browsing interface where one's browsing depends on some physical characteristic of the space. I frequently browse a shelf and find interesting works near (defined by LC number, since that's how we shelve books, or by alpha title, if that's how current periodicals are shelved) a work I started looking for. Or, perhaps a more common problem, consider finding a good study location somewhere in the stacks. Third, it's plausible to believe that, by humanizing the presentation, providing a realistic virtual world will increase the comfort of people who are not regular library users, even if it doesn't provide specific information. This is the domain of the "virtual library tour". It's also one reason why we include photos of our facilities in our marketing literature. Fourth, a VRML world is particularly good if the items in the "collection" have salient physical properties that can be represented in the world, as is typical in museums and many special collections. A book is usually just a book (consider how little we care about those MARC 300 fields!), but suppose the collection is one of artifacts or service points -- the VRML world could contain a thumbnail view of the item in ways that are very hard to incorporate in a traditional textual OPAC. Fifth, a VRML world is a very simple representation in some ways -- it's not abstracted far from the physical reality. That can make it easier to add new analogous features later. Where does one place a link to the email reference service in an OPAC? One doesn't; it doesn't fit. But there's a natural place to place a connection to the virtual reference service when one is modelling a library with a VRML world -- the reference desk. I don't personally find that a realistic VRML model of a library is useful to me as a patron, at least not until it is extended with abstracted information that is NOT available in an actual walkthrough. And (technical aside) I'm not wild about VRML as a modelling language. But I could easily see the utility of a VRML-like model that incorporated additional information not obvious in a physical walkthrough: highlighting target items/destinations using color, offering multiple simultaneous perspectives (e.g. showing map PLUS current position and route PLUS textual description), offering multiple views (a mobility-impaired patron might want to see a view that emphasizes the sizes of corridors and whether books are on shelves that are within reach from a wheel chair; a laptop user may want to see a view that emphasizes where the carrels with 10baseT wiring are to be found; depending on task one might want views of individual shelves where one can toggle between a complete shelf list and one showing only STATUS=AVAILABLE, etc). Bottom line is that one should consider such presentations as experiments with potential benefits, and not dismiss them as frivolous. But we should also not run out and implement VRML models of our own libraries tomorrow! By the way, while we're thinking about star trek technologies, note that the cost of computers in fabric or plastic is falling fast enough that we might within a decade or so be able to afford replacing barcodes and magstripes in books with fairly powerful computers. Imagine if that computer-on-a-cover included wireless networking that allowed our VRML world (not to mention our circ system) to track the location of every single book in the library... JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From his at virtuallibrarian.com Wed Jan 13 15:37:21 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (HIS) Date: Wed May 18 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Telnet and Fortres/Bypassing Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990113153720.0069d710@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Hi, Older versions of Netscape (3.0 and it's strains) were telnet compliant with Fortress. Once I put communicator in, I noticed that with Fortress enabled it will not allow you to telnet://mysite.com anymore. So far I haven't found a workaround, until then I put the Windows telnet icon on the desktop, with a "see librarian" first note attached. I'm looking forward to anyone sharing their workaround on this. Thanks Cynthia Hetherington Englewood Public,NJ At 07:13 AM 1/13/99 -0800, John T. Benedetto wrote: >On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Newport Public Library wrote: > >> Sue Pearce, >> >> Beware the telnet-Fortres combination. There is a way to bypass Fortres >> using telnet (specifically, EWAN's telnet program), cumbersone as it is. > >Uh... um... how about telling us about bypassing Fortres, for all of us >who can't "beware the telnet-Fortres combination". > >We HAVE to allow access to telnet. Enough resources are still >telnet-only that it's not a choice. I _guess_ we could forgo it for our >catalog, since the last upgrade got us a webpac. (We are using QVT/Term >as our telnet client). > >I *DO* know you can bypass Fortres if you have a graphical FTP client (not >sure about a text-based client). The students at our Circulation desk >figured that one out. In WS_FTP, you can browse the files on the local >drive, and choose "execute", They were able to run Netscape this way, >after we had decreed that student employees were not allowed to browse on >the staff machine sitting in Circulation. (I had taken the Netscape icon >off of the desktop). > >So, could you tell us HOW to bypass Fortres with a telnet client? (Thanks >in advance). > >- John > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu > Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 > University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 > > > From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Wed Jan 13 16:12:26 1999 From: lhyma