From bargioni at usc.urbe.it Fri Dec 3 06:41:37 1999 From: bargioni at usc.urbe.it (Stefano Bargioni) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Disabling Netscape buttons References: <199912021805.KAA08468@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3847AC6A.D05477B4@usc.urbe.it> Peter Schlumpf wrote: > I have the same problem too. I'm developing a public access Internet kiosk > and have to lock down Netscape as much as possible. There is a switch you > can use in the prefs.js file that sets the seach button to an arbitrary > URL. I don't think there's a corresponding switch for the "My Netscape" > button. > > My solution so far is using a proxy server to block access to unwanted > sites and I expect this to work for the My Netscape button as well. The > user will get an error message from the proxy server; a clumsy solution, > but it's better than no solution at all, and I planned to use the proxy > server anyway. > > I really, really, really wish for a browser with just simple navigation > tools (back, forward, reload, home, stop) and NO silly redundant features > that server purely marketing purposes (My Netscape, Shop, etc.), and that > doesnt require jumping through hoops and employing fancy tricks just to > secure and customize a browser. > > Peter Schlumpf > schlumpf@nslsilus.org > > > Peter, the solution using proxy is good. We use the same idea. Also you can consider to configure the default gateway of your kiosk using access lists, if your router allows it. About browsers for kiosks, IMHO Windows is not the solution. The best solution is any browser in a Macintosh environment, using At Ease product, that allows any kind of control over the client (floppy, applications, ...) for more than one user (anonymous without password, librarian, administrator,...). And if you need to modify the application program, you can alterate menus, buttons and more using ResEdit. Bye. Stefano -- Dott. Stefano Bargioni Pontificia Universita' della Santa Croce - Roma --- "Si apud bibliothecam hortulum habes, nihil deerit" (Cicerone) --- From mccannhe at metronet.lib.mi.us Fri Dec 3 08:32:40 1999 From: mccannhe at metronet.lib.mi.us (Helga McCann) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One possible solution: ask whoever maintains your Everybody's Menu to make sure that the box stating "CLICK HERE TO LAUNCH APPLICATION MAXIMIZED" is checked. This is on the program screen where you type in the path to launch whatever program is associated with that button. ================================================ Helga F. McCann mccannhe@metronet.lib.mi.us Southfield Public Library 248-948-0460 Southfield, MI 48076 USA http://www.sfldlib.org ================================================ On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Kathy P. Wheeler wrote: > All of our public terminals have the following configurations: > 1. Either Windows 95 or 98 > 2. Everybody's Menu > 3. WinSelect > 4. Netscape 4.08 (the stand-alone version) > > The problem is, on all of these computers, when you open Netscape it > opens as a small box not as a full screen. I don't know why this happens > and I don't know how to fix it. I'd really like to fix it since many of > our students don't know that all they need to do to see the entire screen > is to click on the middle box at the top of the Netscape screen. Any > ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. > > Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu > Electronic Services Librarian > University Library > University of South Alabama > Mobile, AL 36688 > homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu > > From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Fri Dec 3 09:22:27 1999 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Position Announcement (Omaha, Nebraska) Message-ID: Search reopened: Reference & Electronic Services Librarian University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha GENERAL SUMMARY OF RESPONSIBILITIES: Effectively assists patrons with their information needs by performing general and specialized reference work and on or off-site library instruction. Actively participates in collection development and library liaison responsibilities in assigned subject areas. Manages content development for the library's web site. Maintains effective working relationships with colleagues in the department, library, and the university. Fulfills requirements of faculty status in areas of contributions to librarianship, scholarly activities, and service. For complete position description and application information, please see: http://library.unomaha.edu/ESLannouncement.html ====================================================== Marc Davis University Library UNOmaha 6001 Dodge Street Omaha, NE, 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 | Fax (402) 554-3215 davis@revelation.unomaha.edu ------------------------------------------------------ "Yeah, no problem. I live 5 minutes from home." ------------------------------------------------------ From k.kinnear at mdx.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 09:50:58 1999 From: k.kinnear at mdx.ac.uk (Katie Kinnear) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3847D0AC.F3856013@mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Kevin - this works on my own NT workstation, but under Netsitter, this combination does not seem to do anything - perhaps because there is no menu bar. Does anybody else have any other ideas? >> Kevin Sullivan (internet@mcpl.lib.mo.us) >> Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) >> >> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the >> browser window. >> >> -- >> Kevin Sullivan >> Internet Systems Manager >> Mid-Continent Public Library >> http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us >> mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us >> >> Roy Tennant wrote: >> > >> > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do >> > not reply to me. Thanks, Roy >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape >> > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't >> > found a solution to the following problem: >> > >> > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue >> > via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using >> > Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students >> > have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar >> > appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), >> > presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get >> > stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that >> > they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what >> > combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and >> > secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. >> > >> > Thanks in advance.... >> > >> > Katie >> > _________________________________________ >> > Katie Kinnear >> > Assistant Systems Librarian >> > Middlesex University >> > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ >> > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 >> > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk >> > _________________________________________ > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9912/0017.html > _________________________________________ Katie Kinnear Assistant Systems Librarian Middlesex University Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk _________________________________________ From susie at alcor.concordia.ca Fri Dec 3 10:05:05 1999 From: susie at alcor.concordia.ca (SUSIE BREIER) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: robots.txt In-Reply-To: <3847AC6A.D05477B4@usc.urbe.it> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded so quickly to my query about the robots file and unix linebreaks. Many useful suggestions. The main culprint was probably my BBEdit editor preferences - though I was using the "Save as: Unix Linebreaks" option, the preferences still had "force at end of lines" checked off. Luc Grondin from Universite du Quebec a Montreal was also kind enough to send me a copy of Notespad (windows freeware) which has a nifty "DOS to Unix" conversion tool, and is useful for checking at a glance whether a txt file has actually been saved with the right linebreaks. Apparently the file is fine now, but I guess only time will tell for sure, once the index is refreshed and the spider has crawled again... Thanks again, Susie Breier Assistant Systems Librarian Concordia University Libraries 1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 Montreal, Quebec From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Dec 3 10:37:19 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3847E3AF.8F6F6BC0@tln.lib.mi.us> Katie, The best solution to this problem is to upgrade to the Standalone version of Navigator - release 4.08. This has all of the mail and editor functions stipped out including the floating tool bar. Also, this version of Navigator is the most stable available, especially in implementation of Java and Javascript support. It is available at: http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html If these workstations are only being used as OPACs, you might want to look at my help pages that explain how to do things like disabling short-cut keys and running Navigator in Superkiosk mode. These are available at: northville.lib.mi.us/tech/netscape.html If you have to stick with 4.04, you might want to explore using Netscape's Client Customization Kit. I haven't used it at all but it does allow you to create custom "netscape.cfg" files, which I believe would you allow you to lock this component down. Maybe someone who has used the CCK could add more. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Katie Kinnear wrote: > Thanks Kevin - this works on my own NT workstation, but under > Netsitter, this combination does not seem to do anything - perhaps > because there is no menu bar. > > Does anybody else have any other ideas? > > >> Kevin Sullivan (internet@mcpl.lib.mo.us) > >> Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) > >> > >> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the > >> browser window. > >> > >> -- > >> Kevin Sullivan > >> Internet Systems Manager > >> Mid-Continent Public Library > >> http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us > >> mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us > >> > >> Roy Tennant wrote: > >> > > >> > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do > >> > not reply to me. Thanks, Roy > >> > > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape > >> > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't > >> > found a solution to the following problem: > >> > > >> > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue > >> > via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using > >> > Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students > >> > have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar > >> > appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), > >> > presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get > >> > stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that > >> > they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what > >> > combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and > >> > secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance.... > >> > > >> > Katie > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Katie Kinnear > >> > Assistant Systems Librarian > >> > Middlesex University > >> > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > >> > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > >> > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > >> > _________________________________________ > > > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9912/0017.html > > > > _________________________________________ > > Katie Kinnear > Assistant Systems Librarian > Middlesex University > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > _________________________________________ From lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu Fri Dec 3 11:15:58 1999 From: lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Serials Librarian, Hunter College, NY Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991203111057.009721c0@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> Please excuse cross postings. HUNTER COLLEGE OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK Serials Librarian Instructor or Assistant Professor Under the direction of the Associate Librarian for Collection Development, responsible for the acquisitions, cataloging, and processing of library serials in all formats. Plans, coordinates and manages serials collections, including binding and check-in; supervises assigned staff; participates in the enrichment and maintenance of libraries' web resources catalog; resolves problems and acts as liaison with Head of Cataloging, Acquisitions Manager, branch librarians, unit heads, library bibliographers and vendors for serials related issues. Participates in general reference service, library instruction, and collection development; assists patrons in the use of OPAC, CD-ROM's, electronic services, and Internet/WWW; develops instructional publications in various formats. May be assigned as needed to other divisions of Hunter College Libraries. Qualifications: Required: Instructor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school. Assistant Professor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school, and an additional Master's degree or Doctorate. Highly desirable: Previous cataloging and/or serials experience; experience working with a major automated system, such as NOTIS; knowledge of OCLC and serials cataloging practices, including electronic resources; supervisory experience; academic public services, collection development, electronic resources and bibliographic instruction experience; initiative, self-direction, with the ability to work independently and effectively in a team environment with a culturally diverse community of faculty, students, and library colleagues; excellent communication and interpersonal skills; ability to meet requirements for promotion/tenure. Salary: Instructor: $31,197 - $48,284; Assistant Professor: $34,011 - $57,049, commensurate with qualifications and experience. Liberal fringe benefits. 35-hour, 5-day work week, including some evening and/or weekend hours. Hunter College, the second oldest college in The City University of New York, is a coeducational, fully accredited college, with a large and diverse faculty in the liberal arts and sciences and in several professional schools. Hunter's total enrollment is approximately 19,000 students. Of these, about 8,000 are full-time undergraduate, an additional 7,000 are part-time students, and over 4,000 are graduate students studying in arts and sciences, teacher education and professional programs at the Schools of Arts and Sciences, Education, Social Work, and Health Professions. With a professional staff of 24 librarians, Hunter College Library contains approximately 840,000 volumes, 2,300 current periodical titles, and a nonprint collection of discs, tapes, scores, CD-ROMs, and microforms. The library resources of Hunter College are available through CUNY+, an automated library system, which provides access to all CUNY library collections. Review of applications will begin upon receipt and will continue until the position is filled. Send resume and names (with addresses, telephone, fax numbers, email addresses) of at least three current references to: Dr. Louise S. Sherby Chief Librarian Hunter College Libraries 695 Park Avenue New York, N.Y. 10021 An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action/IRCA/Americans with Disabilities Act Employer ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Associate Dean and Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** From rpage at okstate.edu Fri Dec 3 11:32:59 1999 From: rpage at okstate.edu (rpage@okstate.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Netscape Navigator 4.08 and ProQuest Direct Message-ID: Hi! I have been following the discussion below with some interest. Now I have a question, since we ran into a new problem with Netscape! We have been using Navigator 4.08 (the standalone version) for awhile, with no problems, but yesterday we noticed that when accessing a full image (PDF) at the ProQuest site, the document will appear, something will continue to load, then everything on the right-hand side of the window will disappear. We have verified this behavior on both our public workstations and on a few staff machines that are using this version of Netscape. This problem does not happen with v4.61 of Communicator, at least not on the staff machines that we checked, nor with v5.x of Internet Explorer. The only new thing (very visible, anyway) that I can see at the ProQuest site is a "Page Control" area in the left-hand frame, when viewing the full image document. Has anyone else run into this? If so, how have you dealt with it? ProQuest initially told us that we can make a change to how Acrobat (v4) is set to respond to browser requests, but this throws up a number of dialog boxes that may confuse the patrons. At our second call, ProQuest indicated acknowledgement of the problem and said they would look into a resolution. Thank you, Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard M. Page Library Systems Department, 224A Library Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 74078-1070 (405) 744-5347 Voice (405) 744-7579 Fax E-Mail: rpage@okstate.edu URL: http://el0455.lib.okstate.edu/ Andrew Mutch Sent by: cc: web4lib@sunsite.be Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating rkeley.edu toolbar (fwd) 12/03/1999 09:31 AM The best solution to this problem is to upgrade to the Standalone version of Navigator - release 4.08. This has all of the mail and editor functions stripped out including the floating tool bar. Also, this version of Navigator is the most stable available, especially in implementation of Java and JavaScript support. From lgreen at mchs.com Fri Dec 3 13:43:41 1999 From: lgreen at mchs.com (Green, Lori) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: unsubscribing Message-ID: My apologies for posting to the list, but I have been trying for the last week to unsubscribe -- to no avail. Can any one help? Thank you, Lori Lori E. Green Mount Carmel, Library Services 793 W. State Street Columbus, Ohio 43222 "This electronic message transmission contains confidential or privileged information from the Mount Carmel Health System. The information is intended for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 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From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Dec 3 14:24:28 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] unsubscribing (fwd) Message-ID: I will use this as an opportunity to draw everyone's attention to the infamous "Web4Lib Troubleshooting Guide, or, How to tell when something has gone horribly wrong and what to do about it" at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html It explains what to do for the following problems: 1) You subscribe and nothing happens 2) You unsubscribe and nothing happens 3) Your Web4Lib mail suddenly stops coming 4) You received the message "You have been removed..." 5) You post a message to Web4Lib and yoiu get back dozens of copies of it from some strange place 6) Somone posts a message to the list asking how to unsubscribe [hmmm...I wonder if this ever happens?] 7) Somone posts an idiotic message to the list In answer to each of these situations, you will find "What May Be Happening", "What to Do About It", and, ocassionally, a snide remark. All brought to you by the person who has to clean up the mess. Thanks, Roy Tennant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Green, Lori" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] unsubscribing My apologies for posting to the list, but I have been trying for the last week to unsubscribe -- to no avail. Can any one help? Thank you, Lori Lori E. Green Mount Carmel, Library Services 793 W. State Street Columbus, Ohio 43222 "This electronic message transmission contains confidential or privileged information from the Mount Carmel Health System. The information is intended for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (614-234-8700) or by electronic mail (exchange@mchs.com) immediately." "This is a personal message. The views expressed in this message are solely those of the sender, and are not to be attributed to the owner of the sender's domain, the sender's employer or any other person. Any reproduction or distribution of this message without this disclaimer is prohibited." From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Fri Dec 3 14:31:06 1999 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth R. Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: IE 5/NT installation problem In-Reply-To: <199912031806.KAA09242@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19991203135526.00ab1900@mail.wittenberg.edu> Hi folks, I just installed a copy of IE 5.0 on one of our library lab terminals (an NT station that requires a university login -- not a plain public terminal), and found that while I could use it just fine, non-administrators cannot. Here's what's going on: The Iexplore.exe permissions for general users are set to "(RX)" -- 1. When a non-admin user opens the program, there comes a message saying that only administrative users can use the Internet Connection Wizard. But since the machines are already on the campus network, that's unnecessary -- clicking "OK" brings up the default microsoft page as usual. 2. If the user types in a location, e.g. http://www.wittenberg.edu, an error message says that access to the site is disallowed. 3. If the user types in a location *without the protocol*, eg: www.wittenberg.edu, it works! 4. Following links works just fine. Does anyone have a clue about what's going on? it sounds like somewhere in the all the mess of files that IE creates, I need to change some configurations, but I have no idea what or where. Among other things, I'd like it to not attempt to start the Internet Connection wizard. Help! (curiously, when I installed the same version on the reference desk computer a few months ago, it worked just fine, for administrators and general users alike.) Thanks, Ken Kenneth R. Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Dec 3 15:15:40 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: IE 5/NT installation problem Message-ID: <991203151540.1ee71@sals.edu> >1. When a non-admin user opens the program, there comes a message saying >that only administrative users can use the Internet Connection Wizard. But >since the machines are already on the campus network, that's unnecessary -- >clicking "OK" brings up the default microsoft page as usual. I don't usually see this, because I use the custom install option and I don't check the box for ICW. This past week, however, I have been experimenting with Office 2000 and noticed that when I installed NT4/SP6a, IE 5.01 and then Office, I ended up with an icon on the desktop which called the Internet Connection Wizard. I got the same behavior you described; I could bypass it and told it not to ask again. Office 2000 will offer to install IE 5 if you don't have it. I'm not sure why it thought I needed the ICW when there already was a network connection. If you look at Tools | Internet Options | Connections, there are some settings for ICW. You might see if something needs to be turned off. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us Fri Dec 3 16:10:14 1999 From: jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us (Jane Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Problem with public Internet computers Message-ID: I am setting up 60 new computers with NT4, IE 5 for the public. I set up one, logged in as webpac, setup all kinds of customizations and restrictions primarily via regedit. I am trying to use Imagecast to clone the others but the registry changes are attached to the webpac login. I originally thought that was ok but now (after weeks of work) I remember that we use networked printers and it is the login that prints on the banner page in order to differentiate print jobs. When I try to login as someone else a new profile is created for this login and I have not been able to successfully copy the webpacs registry to this one. Maybe I could export/import but I have never had good luck with that. Is there someway for the printer server to print the computer name on the separator page? That would be the best solution I think. anyone have any ideas? Jane Frasier, Software Support Specialist Jefferson County (CO) Public Library From mcculley at best.com Fri Dec 3 23:58:11 1999 From: mcculley at best.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 5/NT installation problem In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991203135526.00ab1900@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: <000e01bf3e14$29ce09a0$b7eb56ce@mcculley> In a similar vein, but desktop stand-alone at work, I'm having troubles running the NT4.0 with the AOL 5.0 Client. The system had IE4.0 on it, and I upgraded to IE5.0 (thinking that would be more robust for AOL!), and downloaded and installed AOL 5.0. The TCP/IP LAN connection works fine to connect to AOL, and all AOL function are there -- except there's NO Web access inside the client --no search, no URLs work inside the search window, etc. Stand-alone, both Communicator and IE 5.0 work fine --but not within the AOL 5.0 client. The AOL help staff said, unfortunately, NT isn't a supported platform, so they can't help. Our helpdesk also has no experience with AOL clients so that's a washout for help :). If anyone's got a clue on this one, please drop me a note. Best, Michael McCulley *speaking only for himself* Email: mcculley@best.com Quote of the Moment: Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth R. Irwin > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:33 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 5/NT installation problem > > > Hi folks, > > I just installed a copy of IE 5.0 on one of our library lab terminals (an > NT station that requires a university login -- not a plain public > terminal), and found that while I could use it just fine, > non-administrators cannot. Here's what's going on: [snipped rest] From msauers at bcr.org Wed Dec 8 09:29:34 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE 5.5 Beta available In-Reply-To: <005f01bf405a$e4a1b360$85cf5c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: > At your own risk! I have a problem with Money98 and 5.5 beta. What problems have you had? Michael Sauers msauers@bcr.org Internet Trainer (personal) www.webpan.com/msauers/ Bibliographic Center for Research (BCR) (business) www.bcr.org/~msauers/ All opinions expressed are just my own unless otherwise noted. From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Dec 8 13:48:29 1999 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Illinois Digital Academic Library - Full Text Journal Vendor Sele cted Message-ID: FYI.....an update on the Illinois Digital Academic Library (IDAL) project..... 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From internet at washoe.lib.nv.us Wed Dec 8 16:28:42 1999 From: internet at washoe.lib.nv.us (John Kupersmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: POSITION: Librarian II - Internet, Reno NV Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991208132842.007a6d70@mail.powernet.net> POSITION AVAILABLE LIBRARIAN II - INTERNET WASHOE COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM RENO, NEVADA The Internet Services Librarian manages our award-winning web site < http://www.washoe.lib.nv.us >, oversees a popular public Internet access service, recommends databases and information systems, helps resolve technical issues, assists other staff and patrons, conducts training, and takes part in systemwide planning. Applicants must have BA degree AND one year of full-time professional library experience OR an equivalent combination of closely related education and experience; however, the education may not substitute for more than one-half of the required experience. In addition, qualified applicants will possess professional Internet experience (web design, HTML coding, training others). Salary range $34,590-$45,947. No state income tax; 100% employer-paid retirement contributions; medical, dental, vision, life insurance benefits provided at no cost for employee; longevity pay; and deferred compensation benefits available. Must complete Washoe County Employment Application including Supplemental Questionnaire. For more information and the application form, see the Washoe County Human Resources Department web site at < http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/personnel > or call (775) 328-2081. Filing Deadline: Friday, January 14, 2000. AA/EOE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Kupersmith internet@washoe.lib.nv.us Internet Services Librarian voice: 775-785-4137 Washoe County Library System fax: 775-785-4087 301 South Center St., Reno, NV 89501 Reno's most useful web site -- http://www.washoe.lib.nv.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cbickner at nypl.org Wed Dec 8 17:11:53 1999 From: cbickner at nypl.org (cbickner) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Collecting Statistics Message-ID: <002C9002.C21343@nypl.org> What kinds of programs/mechanisms are people using to collect computer use statistics? We use WebTrends for Internet stats and use the following three numbers for reports and sound bites. User Session -- A session of activity (all hits) for one user of the web site. A unique user is determined by the IP address or cookie. By default, a user session is terminated when a user is inactive for more than 30 minutes. View (Page) -- Each request for a particular web page. Also referred to as an Impression or a Page View. and the ever problematic: Hits -- An action on the web server, such as when a user views a page or downloads a file. Carrie Bickner -- Web Coordinator ---------------------------------------------- The New York Public Library - Branch Libraries From kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca Thu Dec 9 00:53:03 1999 From: kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca (Kevin Kierans) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: timeout software Message-ID: <384F43BF.6330D351@tnrdlib.bc.ca> You might want to look at http://www.base2.org/projects/patc/index.html kevin -- Kevin Kierans, Manager of Library and Support Services Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System Kamloops, B.C. CANADA V2C 2A9 (250)374-8866 mailto:kkierans@tnrdlib.bc.ca http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/ From kliss at hbs.edu Fri Dec 10 06:43:19 1999 From: kliss at hbs.edu (kliss@hbs.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991210064317.0070e1b8@hbs.edu> A couple of venerable Net figures -- Ed Krol and Mitch Kapor -- were quoted along these lines in late 1992 (see below), but I bet someone can find it earlier. "What we had was a library where all the books were dumped on the floor and there was no card catalogue," Ed Krol, author of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet," said. "Now there's a card catalogue and people are starting to put the books on the shelves." -- "Getting up to speed on the computer highway," by Joshua Quittner, Newsday, November 3, 1992 Mitch Kapor, the founder of Lotus Development Corp. who is now head of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that "seeks to develop public policies to maximize the social potential of new computer and communications technologies," likened Internet to a library where all the books are dumped on the floor in no particular order. -- "Arctic one small step for Internet users," by Robert E. Calem, New York Times News Service, Globe and Mail, December 9, 1992 ===================== Ken Liss Editor, HBS Working Knowledge Baker Library, Harvard Business School http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu kliss@hbs.edu 617-496-6862 ===================== >Hanan, I included the quote in the Libraries FAQ, >http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/sect8.htm , and I have also tried to >track down the author: > >According to Copernicus http://www.copernicus.win-uk.net/quotes.htm : > >"It's like being in a library where someone has scattered all the books on >the floor, attached them together with threads and you are in the dark." >MorningSide, CBC Radio, May 1995 > > >But then again it may be the ALA: >http://wings.buffalo.edu/nursing/dl/distedu4.htm > >Or Patrick Casey (Associated Press, Oklahoma City): >http://www.sfdrs.ch/linkpage/suche/ & >http://ajr.newslink.org/web/intro.html > >Or Anonymous: http://www.gananda.k12.ny.us/library/mshslibrary/LIBQTE1.HTM > >> On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest >library in >> the world with all the books on the floor". >> >> Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? > > From bjordan at u.washington.edu Fri Dec 10 10:18:23 1999 From: bjordan at u.washington.edu (William Jordan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Position Announcment - Internship in Library Systems Message-ID: NOTICE OF VACANCY November 29, 1999 TITLE: Internship in Library Systems GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The University of Washington Libraries is seeking applicants for an internship in Library Systems. This two-year position is designed to provide an intensive learning opportunity in which the incumbent will have a chance to both develop technical skills and learn to work as part of a team in all phases of projects from early planning stages to delivery and support. This work on campus will be supplemented as appropriate by additional training, attendance at relevant professional workshops, seminars, and conferences as appropriate. Library Systems has four librarians, four technical staff, an office manager, and part-time students. The Systems Intern reports to the Head, Distributed Computing Systems. While this position is primarily aimed at recent graduates, librarians who are looking for a new career focus and have the necessary skills are encouraged to apply. Library Systems operates in a dynamic campus environment focused on providing Web based services to both users and library staff. Our gateway includes a personalized service, My Gateway , that has received national recognition as a top technology trend from LITA . The environment is NT based. Currently we have Dell Poweredge servers with over 200 Gigabytes of hardware RAID. The main libraries have about 800 Pentium class PC's now and expect to complete a migration to NT and Office 2000 by June 2000. For our ILS we use Innovative Interfaces Inc., and are now engaged in a large scale beta test of their new advanced keyword search engine. During the next two years we will be implementing the Innovative Web based Millennium system. The current project areas center around continuing to develop Web gateway services and improve links between commercial indexes, our catalog, and online full text resources. SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES and DUTIES: 1. Takes part in planning and contributes to the implementation of electronic information services to the public, particularly through the use of PC's, NT networking and the Web. During the two years the intern will take increasingly more responsibility within project teams. 2. Participates in the development of overall technology planning for Library Systems, learning to critically evaluate new products and services that become available. 3. Develops an awareness of networking standards, technology and national developments related to distributed computing environments delivered through Microsoft NT. 4. Participates in the analysis of the networked information needs of end-users and library staff. 5. May participate in staff or user education programs. 6. Increasingly participates in Libraries-wide committees, task forces, and teams as assigned. 7. Assumes other responsibilities as assigned; performs other duties as required. QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Graduate degree from a program accredited by the American Library Association or an equivalent graduate library science/information studies degree required. 2. Sufficient coursework or experience in computer systems to demonstrate a readiness to begin professional systems work. 3. Good oral and written communication skills. 4. User-centered service philosophy and willingness to work with a wide variety of people including Libraries users and all levels of staff. 5. Some technical experience including the creation and maintenance of CGI or similar scripts as part of coursework or student employment. 6. Must be knowledgeable about current trends in information technology, particularly those relating to NT and the World Wide Web at the level of a skilled recent graduate. 7. Ability to function well in a changing environment, to work effectively within a large complex organization and to exercise initiative required. 8. Specific training and/or experience with any of the following environments desirable: Innovative Interfaces, Microsoft NT environment including IIS and ASP. 9. Experience with Microsoft Access or other relational database systems is also desirable. SALARY: $35,000/year minimum. Starting salary commensurate with qualifications and background. BENEFITS: Librarians are academic personnel and participate in the University of Washington Retirement Plan (TIAA-CREF, The Vanguard Group, SAFECO Mutual Funds and/or Fidelity Investments) on a matching basis. Vacation is accrued at the rate of 24 working days per year; sick leave at the rate of 12 working days per year. Excellent medical, dental and life insurance plans. No state or local income tax. APPLY TO: Charles E. Chamberlin Deputy Director of Libraries University of Washington Libraries 482 Allen Library Box 352900 Seattle, Washington 98195-2900 Applicants should submit a letter of application, full resume including a work telephone number and e-mail address, salary requirements, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of at least three references who are knowledgeable of the applicant's qualifications for this position. For this position also attach a summary of some recent technical coursework or project that indicates your current abilities in a relevant area. If possible include a URL to both the project and any documentation or source. APPLICATION DEADLINE: To ensure consideration, applications should be received no later than 5:00 p.m., Friday, January 21, 2000. University of Washington Libraries' Home Page is: http://www.lib.washington.edu The University of Washington, an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer, is building a culturally diverse staff and strongly encourages applications from female and minority candidates. In compliance with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, the University is required to verify and document the citizenship or employment authorization of each new employee. From johnsonka at usfca.edu Fri Dec 10 10:33:05 1999 From: johnsonka at usfca.edu (Karen Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <005701bf42d0$25bae7a0$b8efffcc@257q8> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19991210073305.00a3fb10@pop.admin.usfca.edu> Hanan et al, Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert Karen J. At 09:40 PM 12/09/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Hanan, I included the quote in the Libraries FAQ, >http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/sect8.htm , and I have also tried to >track down the author: > >According to Copernicus http://www.copernicus.win-uk.net/quotes.htm : > >"It's like being in a library where someone has scattered all the books on >the floor, attached them together with threads and you are in the dark." >MorningSide, CBC Radio, May 1995 > > >But then again it may be the ALA: >http://wings.buffalo.edu/nursing/dl/distedu4.htm > >Or Patrick Casey (Associated Press, Oklahoma City): >http://www.sfdrs.ch/linkpage/suche/ & >http://ajr.newslink.org/web/intro.html > >Or Anonymous: http://www.gananda.k12.ny.us/library/mshslibrary/LIBQTE1.HTM > >> On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest >library in >> the world with all the books on the floor". >> >> Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? > > > *************************************************************** Karen Johnson Library System Manager University of San Francisco 2130 Fulton St. San Francisco, CA 94117 (415)422-2759 Phone (415)422-2233 FAX From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 10 11:17:03 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Any online Certificate of Advanced Studies programs? Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA929@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I am looking for any Certificate of Advanced Studies (CAS) programs at ALA certified library schools that are available online at least partly if not entirely. Please post to me. I am looking to get more credit hours under my belt for my next promotion in a few years. ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From jmketcham at Cerritos.edu Fri Dec 10 11:38:05 1999 From: jmketcham at Cerritos.edu (Jule' Ketcham) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historian software In-Reply-To: <009401bf42a7$f8df0400$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Karen, About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our test computer and never installed on our other machines. I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. ********************************* Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian jmketcham@cerritos.edu Cerritos College 11110 Alondra Blvd. Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 (562)860-2451 ext. 2415 http://library.cerritos.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Karen G. Schneider > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historian software > > > I coulda swore I posted on this two days ago, but response has > been nil and > I don't see the message. If I overlooked it, I apologize for repeating > myself. > > Does anyone out there have experience with the software program Historian > (published by the Fortres company)? I'm particularly interested > in how well > Historian tracks all types of computer use, is it network-friendly, what > does it consider a user, and how it exports data. I am also interested in > alternative software. (For our intranet and extranet, we are relying on > Webtrends to give us a picture of "user sessions," however > not-quite-accurate it may be... however, we provide access to other tools, > such as word processing, which we do not have data on.) > > The *reason* I am investigating this is that Historian was > mentioned by name > in a memo discussing measuring user sessions for a possible new > state report > statistical area. I was asked to comment on this report, and would have > anyway. I'm all for electronic measurement, and think that shaky data is > better than no data at all, but before thousands of libraries > dash out in a > panic to purchase this software, I'd like to do more background > investigation, from Them What Knows. > > Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com > Assistant Director of Technology > Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY > http://www.shenpublib.org > From jgreer at selway.umt.edu Fri Dec 10 12:04:26 1999 From: jgreer at selway.umt.edu (John R. Greer) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Historian Message-ID: <99121010051600.22512@ml3038> I am very interested in any comments on this product or similar products so please post response to the list... -- John Greer Network Systems Administrator Mansfield Library, The University of Montana (406)243-2539 From bsmith at linc.lib.il.us Fri Dec 10 12:36:29 1999 From: bsmith at linc.lib.il.us (Brian Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991210073305.00a3fb10@pop.admin.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991210113629.00805be0@vax.linc.lib.il.us> >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" column in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. Brian Smith Assistant Head of Adult Services Villa Park (IL) Public Library http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ bsmith@linc.lib.il.us ... But writing only on my own behalf =========== "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) From ajhynek at scls.lib.wi.us Fri Dec 10 12:41:13 1999 From: ajhynek at scls.lib.wi.us (Amy Hynek) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software In-Reply-To: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991210114113.0081f410@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> I gave Historian a try on one of our public Internet workstations this past summer. We were also interested in usage of our subscription databases. The log file it produced filled up rapidly, with all the activity from users. It caused some error messages, and the log file abruptly ended in the late afternoon (starting it at 8:30 a.m.) I had to empty it everyday, and even sometimes that wasn't often enough. I talked to the folks at Fortres, and they couldn't tell me the max file size it supported. They were able to tell me how to get rid of the errors I was getting from a too full log file, but that's about as far as it went. The log file wasn't all that helpful anyway for statistical purposes, at least what I was able to decipher. I admit that I didn't spend a bunch of time on it though, with other projects to work on at the time, Historian fell by the wayside. Another option is Internet Manager at: http://www.elronsoftware.com/coindex.html We haven't yet installed this, but it was suggested either on this list or the libsoft list at some point in time. At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: >Karen, >About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased >both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). >Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. > >I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the >amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed >utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was >clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering >software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading >since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. > >********************************* >Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian >jmketcham@cerritos.edu >Cerritos College >11110 Alondra Blvd. >Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 >(562)860-2451 ext. 2415 >http://library.cerritos.edu --------------------------------------- Amy J. Hynek Library Computer Specialist Madison Public Library - Administration 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 phone: (608) 266-4953 / fax: (608) 261-4283 email: ajhynek@scls.lib.wi.us --------------------------------------- From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Dec 10 13:05:59 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991210113629.00805be0@vax.linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the street." Now *that's* more like it. Roy On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" column > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > Brian Smith > Assistant Head of Adult Services > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > .. But writing only on my own behalf > =========== > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > From merchant at bayou.com Fri Dec 10 13:11:04 1999 From: merchant at bayou.com (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991210121043.00997100@mail.bayou.com> At 10:05 AM 12/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The >Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on >the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to >explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel >like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. >How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the >street." Now *that's* more like it. Except those random people are putting up books, whether printed by big concerns or self published, on the web, or putting up other information which can indeed be found in print in a magazine, book, etc in a library. So in that manner it is like one put together by packrats and vandalized nightly. As with all metaphors and analogies, you can't carry it too far, of course. TTFN, David Systems Librarian, Louisiana Tech University Javascript list administrator Merchant's Encyclopedia of HTML Personal Page From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Fri Dec 10 14:10:53 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? Message-ID: <00fd01bf4342$481b1460$e84ae980@usask.ca> We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the others supplied with Procite do the job? Thanx, - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lstarasta at lccs.edu Fri Dec 10 14:45:47 1999 From: lstarasta at lccs.edu (Leslie Starasta) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: metaphore Message-ID: <000d01bf4347$276a4c40$739a8acd@eddie.lccs.edu> Previously when leading Internet training I have used a similar metaphor to "Books on the floor" which may satisfy those who feel the comparison of the Internet with a library is a poor analogy. Unfortunately, I don't have the source I used it from with me and I don't recall the metaphor exactly. However, the metaphor loosely went something like this: The Internet used to be like a library with no catalog and no librarian and the books move during the night. Now the Internet is like a library with no catalog, no librarian, all the books move around every night, and reproduces exponentially. Leslie Information Services Librarian Jessie C. Eury Library Lincoln Christian College From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 10 14:55:53 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Online CAS Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA932@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I will summarize for the lists. Please don't send me any more "me too" messages. I got several dozen of those already. Evidently there is a real possibly unfilled need here. ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From daskey at library.utah.edu Fri Dec 10 15:13:28 1999 From: daskey at library.utah.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? In-Reply-To: <00fd01bf4342$481b1460$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <199912101314625.SM00190@ALEX.LIB.UTAH.EDU> On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > others supplied with Procite do the job? To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear about it. Best, Dale Askey ______ Dale Askey General Reference, Marriott Library University of Utah 295 South 1500 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112 Phone: (801) 587-9061 Fax: (801) 585-3464 daskey@library.utah.edu From dan at 84.com Fri Dec 10 15:24:43 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software In-Reply-To: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991210132240.00b7b360@mail.adaptive.net> At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: > but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. Yes, I'm pushing proxy servers again. No, I don't own any part of any companies that make them. But running your secure workstations through a proxy server will give you nice proxy logs that you can analyze with the software of your choice. You can learn what people are searching for, where they're going on the web, etc, etc, etc. There is much more data available than you can ever deal with, though it is easy to come up with the things you do care about. You can run the proxy server on any old networked box and no one will ever notice the difference. Caching that it does for you may even speed up some operations. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From stbowers at lj.cahners.com Fri Dec 10 19:02:25 1999 From: stbowers at lj.cahners.com (Bowers, Stacey (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 13, 1999 Message-ID: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 13, 1999 --> http://www.libraryjournal.com NEWS --> "In a Preemptive Move, Hudsonville, MI Cuts Net Use After Petition" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13045.asp "Harvard Library Workers Protest Office Relocation" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13044.asp "Several Significant Bills Pending for Y2K" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13043.asp "Clinton Announces New Plans to Bridge 'Digital Divide'" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13042.asp "Can Browser Replace Filters?" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13041.asp "LAPL to Expand Computer Terminals Designated for Children" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13040.asp "Board-Foundation Dispute in PL Moves Toward Resolution" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13039.asp "Homeless Gain Internet Access From Libraries" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13038.asp "Jim Hightower To Deliver Inaugural Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13037.asp "Retired Librarian Charged with Pocketing $130K in Book Fines" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13036.asp INFOTECH --> "Ovid Restructures Management Team" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/infotech/news/infotechindex.asp BOOK NEWS --> "Avalon Publishing Acquires John Muir" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/booknews/booknewsindex.asp CLASSIC RETURNS --> A fictional homage to the heroes of Scotland, and more. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/classicreturns/classicreturnsindex.a sp ALSO ON LJDIGITAL --> Nominate a Support Staffer! Library Journal is accepting nominations for its first-ever Paraprofessional of the Year award, to be announced in the March 15, 2000 issue. Find out how to submit nominations here: http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991129_12825.asp Prepub Alert: Nonfiction in April 2000... A biography that aims to get close to the very private novelist Patrick O'Brian. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/prepubalert/19991201_12981.asp *************************** Stacey Bowers Producer LJ Digital http://www.ljdigital.com stbowers@lj.cahners.com 212.337.7054 *************************** From jmhaddad at cyberia.net.lb Mon Dec 13 04:23:43 1999 From: jmhaddad at cyberia.net.lb (SEDUCTION CLUB AGENCY) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: remove jmhaddad@cyberia.net.lb Message-ID: <004d01bf454d$8951c8e0$12c070c3@cyberia.net.lb> remove jmhaddad@cyberia.net.lb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991213/e2d15ea4/attachment.htm From skosecki at nal.usda.gov Mon Dec 13 08:50:21 1999 From: skosecki at nal.usda.gov (Stan Kosecki) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Pro cite? Message-ID: Darryl, Based on ProCite5.0 advertised capabilities it would appear that some of the FirstSearch databases can be searched through the z39.50 protocol and results could be manipulated. Printed info from the ISIResearchSoft states: "ProCite allows you to open, search and create databases instantly from online library collections." They include a list of Z39.50 hosts for which I presume the software is pre-configured. If this functionality works as claimed, I would imagine it should be relatively easy to create a .cfg file for any FirstSearch database accessed through z39.50. Stan ************ Stan Kosecki skosecki@nal.usda.gov Electronic Media Center (301)504-7114 National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Ave. Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 ************ -----Original Message----- From: Dale Askey [mailto:daskey@library.utah.edu] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > others supplied with Procite do the job? To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear about it. Best, Dale Askey ______ Dale Askey General Reference, Marriott Library University of Utah 295 South 1500 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112 Phone: (801) 587-9061 Fax: (801) 585-3464 daskey@library.utah.edu From snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 13 11:20:32 1999 From: snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One problem with the host files that Procite mentions, as well as the connection files offered by EndNote (a Procite competitor), is that there is no way to script usernames/passwords for proprietary databases. At least I've not been able to discover one. When one of our students or faculty try to use these connection files, they are prompted for a username and password. Distributing such information to users who are not familiar with license agreements about authorizied access and authorized users, simultaneous users, port limits, etc. is problematic from a systems point of view. Sara Brownmiller snb@darkwing.uoregon.edu Systems/Women's Studies Librarian 541/346-2368 University of Oregon Library 541/346-3485 (fax) 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Stan Kosecki wrote: > Darryl, > > Based on ProCite5.0 advertised capabilities it would appear that some of the > FirstSearch databases can be searched through the z39.50 protocol and > results could be manipulated. Printed info from the ISIResearchSoft states: > "ProCite allows you to open, search and create databases instantly from > online library collections." They include a list of Z39.50 hosts for which I > presume the software is pre-configured. If this functionality works as > claimed, I would imagine it should be relatively easy to create a .cfg file > for any FirstSearch database accessed through z39.50. > > Stan > > ************ > Stan Kosecki skosecki@nal.usda.gov > Electronic Media Center (301)504-7114 > National Agricultural Library > 10301 Baltimore Ave. > Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 > ************ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Askey [mailto:daskey@library.utah.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into > Procite? > > > On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > > > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing > this > > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There > doesn't > > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > > others supplied with Procite do the job? > > To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in > ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no > mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an > existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave > up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to > FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as > tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research > tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. > > If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear > about it. > > Best, > > Dale Askey > ______ > Dale Askey > General Reference, Marriott Library > University of Utah > 295 South 1500 East > Salt Lake City, UT 84112 > Phone: (801) 587-9061 > Fax: (801) 585-3464 > daskey@library.utah.edu > From cbickner at nypl.org Mon Dec 13 11:52:39 1999 From: cbickner at nypl.org (cbickner) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Internet Manager Message-ID: <002CDE54.C21343@nypl.org> Is anyone using Internet Manager? Carrie Bickner ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software Author: Amy Hynek at Internet Date: 12/10/99 9:41 AM I gave Historian a try on one of our public Internet workstations this past summer. We were also interested in usage of our subscription databases. The log file it produced filled up rapidly, with all the activity from users. It caused some error messages, and the log file abruptly ended in the late afternoon (starting it at 8:30 a.m.) I had to empty it everyday, and even sometimes that wasn't often enough. I talked to the folks at Fortres, and they couldn't tell me the max file size it supported. They were able to tell me how to get rid of the errors I was getting from a too full log file, but that's about as far as it went. The log file wasn't all that helpful anyway for statistical purposes, at least what I was able to decipher. I admit that I didn't spend a bunch of time on it though, with other projects to work on at the time, Historian fell by the wayside. Another option is Internet Manager at: http://www.elronsoftware.com/coindex.html We haven't yet installed this, but it was suggested either on this list or the libsoft list at some point in time. At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: >Karen, >About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased >both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). >Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. > >I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the >amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed >utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was >clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering >software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading >since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. > >********************************* >Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian >jmketcham@cerritos.edu >Cerritos College >11110 Alondra Blvd. >Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 >(562)860-2451 ext. 2415 >http://library.cerritos.edu --------------------------------------- Amy J. Hynek Library Computer Specialist Madison Public Library - Administration 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 phone: (608) 266-4953 / fax: (608) 261-4283 email: ajhynek@scls.lib.wi.us --------------------------------------- From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Mon Dec 13 13:31:35 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Netscape and Frames References: <021501bf40d7$5fb66b00$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <38553B87.1569E7DB@tln.lib.mi.us> For those of you who work with Frames and have found Netscape's implementation of your frame coding to be less than ideal, see the following article: http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Tagmania/120699/ It explains what's going "wrong" in Netscape and how to work around it. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From josepha at marquette.edu Mon Dec 13 14:55:23 1999 From: josepha at marquette.edu (A.G. Joseph) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Acquisitions list on the web Message-ID: <38554F2B.A3F0D589@marquette.edu> I want to know if the libraries which have their monthly acquisitions list on the web site allows patrons to reqest an item. For example do they provide radio button for each entry, so that a faculty seeing the list can request the item(s) by clicking the checkbox and the query form goes to the circ department or where ever the query is meant to be received. If so, will you be willing to share that information with others. I have created our monthly acquisitions list and uploaded on to our server. I created a single form and the faculty can fill the info and click on submit. It comes to me. However, the problem is when the list is very long with several pages to scroll down and up, it becomes very cumbersome for them to go back and forth with the form and the entries. Any suggestion is highly appreciated. Thanks -- angelina Angelina G. Joseph Marquette University Law Library P.O. Box 3137 Milwaukee, WI 53201-3137 Phone: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: josepha@marquette.edu From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Sat Dec 18 03:02:05 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Ask A Librarian." Graphics now online. References: <3.0.6.32.19991217134332.009c8ae0@shell5.ba.best.com> Message-ID: <385B3F7D.C3B9BFDA@qglibrary.org.il> also see Library Graphics from the "LIbraris FAQ" at: http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/#Library Graphics Stephanie Stokes wrote: > Then when you are ready to enhance your e-reference Web page > pay a visit to 'Library Media & PR' and pick your favorite > FREE graphic image. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From david at ofaolain.com Sat Dec 18 11:13:40 1999 From: david at ofaolain.com (David Whelan) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: wireless within a building Message-ID: <004401bf4972$db990040$04000005@dwhelan2> The SMU School of Law Underwood Law Library (Dallas, TX) has a RadioLAN wireless installation with 50 antennas circulating for student use. The network has 16 access points and was about $30K to implement (including hardware and electrical), as opposed to estimates starting at $500K to get the same coverage. It's been very successful and gives 10 Mbps from any seat in the library. (http://www.radiolan.com). I've recently left the library but would be happy to discuss this further off-list. I was involved in a presentation last year at ALA on wireless in libraries. Our presentations are online at http://www.ofaolain.com/profdev/ala99 and the Public Libraries Association http://www.pla.org did a tech review of a broad number of wireless implementations in libraries this fall. Jim Barrentine is a consultant you might want to contact, as he is quite familiar with wireless in libraries (whose e-mail address I can't find but who I think is on this list). Regards, David. %-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-% David P. Whelan E-mail: david@ofaolain.com Home: http://www.ofaolain.com Voice: 847.679.1206 Fax: 708.876.0775 From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Sat Dec 18 14:50:54 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: Found the lost feature in Google Message-ID: <385BE59E.E443FE03@qglibrary.org.il> A while ago I asked about the "lost" feature of Google to find all the pages that link to a certain URL. Now I have found it in http://www.robotwisdom.com/netlit/search.html You type "link:www.mysite.org" and get all the pages (indexed in Google) linking to your site. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From dudart at bse.ucl.ac.be Wed Dec 1 04:01:56 1999 From: dudart at bse.ucl.ac.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane?= dudart) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: statistics website Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991201100156.008f4280@mail.bse.ucl.ac.be> Could you share your experience in statistics website please ? *Which tool do you use ? *How to interpret statistics ? *Information source ? 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Then the program will digest submits as they come in and display a graphical presentation of the submission averages for each question. I think that makes sense. I have been a member of this list for about 1 month and think it is one of the best resources to keep me up to date on what is going on, relatively painlessly. Thanks! Gina Jones WebServices University of Maryland, College Park From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Dec 1 11:04:15 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Network login dialog box References: <3.0.4.32.19991130205810.0082aa00@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: <003b01bf3c15$b7bc1640$e84ae980@usask.ca> > One of our Win95 PC's seems to have lost its Network login dialog box. If > you reboot the machine, it connects, but never displays the box asking for > user id and password. > > I thought that happened when I upgraded Fortres from version 3 to version > 4. The Fortres tech support folks say that Fortres does not block that > dialog box. > > Does anyone out there have some suggestions as to how I can get my login > dialog box back? Well, I don't know about Fortres, but this can be accomplished with TweakUI (a control panel utility from Microsoft), or by changing the Primary Network Logon (in the Network properties) from Client for Microsoft Networks to Windows Logon, then logging on with (any) username and a blank password. If this is an OPAC then people probably shouldn't be able to get at the network settings, but I'd start looking there anyway. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Wed Dec 1 12:43:38 1999 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: Disabling Netscape buttons Message-ID: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right to the Netscape home page. Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the question, like this one. So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. Lynne -- L.E. Puckett Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings, MT 59101 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 1 13:08:28 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> Lynne, If you haven't looked at my page describing how to do this, see: http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/searchbt.htm If you have done this per the instructions and it is still not working, a couple of things to check to troubleshoot this: 1. Make sure that Netscape is closed before making changes to prefs.js - otherwise, your changes may be overwritten. 2. Disable your security software. It may be preventing you from saving changes to the file. 3. Make sure that read-only is turned off before making the changes and is turned on after saving the changes and before you reopen Netscape. If none of these do the trick, please contact me directly and I will see if I can help you through this. The "Shop Button" method doesn't work for other tool bar methods. Apparently, the Netscape engineers realized that his "improvement" would annoy many users and provided a method to get rid of it. Too bad they didn't do that for other toolbar buttons. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From schlumpf at nslsilus.org Wed Dec 1 04:43:04 1999 From: schlumpf at nslsilus.org (Peter Schlumpf) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3844EDA8.92B2824E@nslsilus.org> I have the same problem too. I'm developing a public access Internet kiosk and have to lock down Netscape as much as possible. There is a switch you can use in the prefs.js file that sets the seach button to an arbitrary URL. I don't think there's a corresponding switch for the "My Netscape" button. My solution so far is using a proxy server to block access to unwanted sites and I expect this to work for the My Netscape button as well. The user will get an error message from the proxy server; a clumsy solution, but it's better than no solution at all, and I planned to use the proxy server anyway. I really, really, really wish for a browser with just simple navigation tools (back, forward, reload, home, stop) and NO silly redundant features that server purely marketing purposes (My Netscape, Shop, etc.), and that doesnt require jumping through hoops and employing fancy tricks just to secure and customize a browser. Peter Schlumpf schlumpf@nslsilus.org "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Dec 1 14:53:22 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Nevada Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Glee Willis , please do not reply to me. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: Glee Willis Announcement Web Development Librarian (Search extended) The University of Nevada, Reno Libraries seek a tenure-track public services librarian to manage the libraries' web site. Responsibilities: Oversees design, development, and maintenance of libraries' public and internal web sites. Provides leadership in creating a site that effectively presents and facilitates the use of information resources available through the Libraries. Engages in ongoing evaluation of web-based services. Conducts user analyses. In consultation with library and computing staff, establishes design and development principles and defines the libraries' web presence. Coordinates quality control of site. Serves as liaison with Library Systems Office to manage web space and resolve database and application errors. Trains staff in use of web development tools; serves as advisor for web-based projects. Serves as member of the Collections Work Group with emphasis on management of electronic resources. Performs public service desk duties. Meets university requirements for promotion and tenure. Reports to Director for Access Services. Qualifications: ALA accredited Master degree. Experience in designing, developing and maintaining Web sites. Experience which demonstrates the innovative application of HTML, web scripting tools, and image creation software. Excellent verbal and written communication skills. Ability to act decisively and work successfully in collaborative environment. Strong organizational skills. Excellent sense of visual and structural design. Creativity and problem solving skills. Preferred: library public service experience. Salary: minimum $40,984 or commensurate with experience and qualifications. Fringes: TIAA/CREF and other retirement options; 24 vacation days; generous sick leave. No state income tax. The Environment: The University of Nevada, Reno has a student body of 12,500, with approximately one-third enrolled in graduate degree programs. The University is situated in Reno, a metropolitan area of 300,000, on the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada, 35 miles from Lake Tahoe. Applications: Send letter of application, resume, and names and addresses of three references to: Janita Jobe; Library Dean's Office/Mailstop 322; University of Nevada; 1664 N. Virginia St.; Reno, NV 89557-0044. Provide URLs of web pages to which you have contributed, with clarification of your role in development. Review of applications will begin December 17. The University of Nevada is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age, creed, national origin, veteran status, physical or mental disability, and in accordance with University policy, sexual orientation, in any program or activity it operates. University of Nevada employs only United States citizens and aliens lawfully authorized to work in the United States. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 1 15:22:08 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <38458370.37C7EC46@tln.lib.mi.us> I want to apologize. I just realized that I didn't read Lynne's question closely enough and didn't differentiate between the Search Button and the My Netscape Button. I hope I can redeem myself by including the information on how to reset that button too. Follow the same method as described for the Search button and make this change to disable "My Netscape" To change the My Netscape button, add: config("toolbar.places.default_url",""); You can leave the URL blank or insert the "home page" URL so the users will just be redirected back to your home page - or whatever page you select - your preference! I hope this helps! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Wed Dec 1 15:41:28 1999 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <384587F8.73FBE897@billings.lib.mt.us> Dear Mr. Mutch and Mr. Amen, Thank you VERY much for your kind assistance. I did NOT have the 'read only' function turned on, as the security software had not been installed yet & I didn't know 'read only' was required to make the fix work. I had been using Mr. Mutch's very informative files, and once 'read only' was engaged it worked fine for the Search button. I then put in Mr. Amen's nifty fix for the My Netscape button, which now goes ONLY to our databases! Hooray! It is still labeled My Netscape, but that's not a major deal. This is really slick! My only problem was paying attention to what I was typing - I left out a quotes mark the first time, and Netscape won't open if it's not typed exactly right. I can tell I need to work on my proofreading skills. Again, thank you very much. You both have saved my sysadmin & me some major headaches. Lynne -- L.E. Puckett Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings, MT 59101 From glen.davies at cce.ac.nz Wed Dec 1 16:07:13 1999 From: glen.davies at cce.ac.nz (glen.davies@cce.ac.nz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: certification Message-ID: Greetings Has anybody been through the Sysoft webmaster training/certification programme? http://www.sysoft.com/certification.htm Thoughts/comments? Anybody been through any other webmaster certification programmes? Thoughts/comments? I know the i-net+ certification will be available in January, was any body involved in the beta of this programme. Thanks Regards Glen ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Consultant Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen.davies@cce.ac.nz ************************************************ A man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth (Luke 12:15) ************************************************ From sloan at unb.ca Thu Dec 2 10:12:48 1999 From: sloan at unb.ca (Stephen Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: soundex Message-ID: A short time ago there was a message to the list that asked about Soundex technology. I have just found a description of how it works so I thought drop a line and fill out the information. A soundex parser does the following (at least from the documentation I have): 1. strips out non-alpha characters 2. lowercase is set to uppercase 3. captures the first letter for later use 4. removes all occurences of "W" and "H" 5. B F P V are given values of "1" 6. C G J K Q S X Z are given values of "2" 7. D T are given values of "3" 8. L gets a value of 4 9. M N are given values of "5" 10. R gets a value of 6 11. all vowels are removed 12. The first letter of the string (from step 3) is then concatenated with the first three numerals from the mapping process. A simple example: great and grate through step 10 great becomes 6EA3 through step 10 grate becomes 6A3E with the vowels removed and the first letter added, both terms have a soundex value of G63 and a search would therefore match. The only search engine that I know of that will do soundex searching is the LiveLink product from the OpenText corporation. That's not really an option anymore for most of us. Starting with version 8 of the LiveLink product, OpenText has been pursuing the large corporation Intranet market. The product is priced way beyond most libraries' ability to afford it. Stephen Sloan Systems Librarian UNB Libraries sloan@unb.ca (506) 453-4814 From jwfelts at uncg.edu Thu Dec 2 09:13:53 1999 From: jwfelts at uncg.edu (John W. Felts, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: new listserv: NCLIBS4DIST-L Message-ID: Please share this information with other individuals or groups as appropriate and excuse any cross-postings. Complete information follows. Contact John Felts (jwfelts@uncg.edu) if you have any questions. NCLIBS4DIST-L ELECTRONIC DISCUSSION FORUM PURPOSE The goal of this forum is to bring together those librarians, educators, webmasters/mistresses, administrators, and anyone who has a hand in providing library services to the distance education community. 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"ACK" will acknowledge your list contributions, "NOACK" will not. ---------------------- John W. Felts, Jr. Networked Information Services Librarian University of North Carolina Greensboro jwfelts@uncg.edu 336-334-4238 From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Dec 2 10:33:28 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] soundex References: Message-ID: <003501bf3cda$95863180$e84ae980@usask.ca> > The only search engine that I know of that will do soundex searching is > the LiveLink product from the OpenText corporation. That's not really an > option anymore for most of us. Starting with version 8 of the LiveLink > product, OpenText has been pursuing the large corporation Intranet market. > The product is priced way beyond most libraries' ability to afford it. I've just recently installed ht://Dig (www.htdig.org). Not only will it do soundex, but metaphone (which I assume is something akin to soundex), common word endings, and synonyms for search terms. Plus, it's free. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From susie at alcor.concordia.ca Thu Dec 2 12:41:31 1999 From: susie at alcor.concordia.ca (SUSIE BREIER) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: <003501bf3cda$95863180$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. TIA for any hints out there! Susie Breier Assistant Systems Librarian Concordia University Libraries 1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 Montreal, Quebec From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 2 12:42:40 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Search Engine Showdown stats Message-ID: Greg Notess has posted new stats on his Search Engine Showdown site, which shows Northern Light to have the largest database, with approximately 200 million pages. Details at: http://www.notess.com/search/stats/ Roy From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 2 12:55:04 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do not reply to me. Thanks, Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't found a solution to the following problem: At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. Thanks in advance.... Katie _________________________________________ Katie Kinnear Assistant Systems Librarian Middlesex University Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk _________________________________________ From internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us Thu Dec 2 13:27:30 1999 From: internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us (Kevin Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3846BA12.5962AB3A@mcpl.lib.mo.us> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the browser window. -- Kevin Sullivan Internet Systems Manager Mid-Continent Public Library http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us Roy Tennant wrote: > > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do not > reply to me. Thanks, > Roy > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't > found a solution to the following problem: > > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue via > Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using Netsitter > under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students have found > out how to make the floating communicator toolbar appear (i.e. the > one that normally sits on the status bar), presumably via some > combination of key strokes, and we cannot get stop them doing it, as > we don't know the key combination that they are using. Please could > somebody tell me firstly what combination brings up the communicator > floating toolbar, and secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. > > Thanks in advance.... > > Katie > _________________________________________ > Katie Kinnear > Assistant Systems Librarian > Middlesex University > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > _________________________________________ From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Dec 2 13:40:14 1999 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, SUSIE BREIER wrote: > how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix > ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the > administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or > any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put > it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. Hi Susie. Do you or does anyone on your library staff have access to a Unix machine? What is your website running on? If you do have access you can clean up files with the tr command: tr '\015' '\012' < oldfile > newfile This will strip out the s. Or one could take that command and write a simple shell script that will execute through entire directories and do the same thing. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | 509-963-1081 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From avirr at lanminds.com Thu Dec 2 13:33:07 1999 From: avirr at lanminds.com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a really good point. Apparently, several robots depend on CR/LF although it's explicitly not required. So annoying! In any case, BBEdit has an option in the Save As dialog to save as a PC file, which will stick in both CR and LF. I'm not sure if it remembers this every time, which could be a hassle. Best of luck, Avi At 9:43 AM -0800 12/2/1999, SUSIE BREIER wrote: >I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting >our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide >search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my >robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this >is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot >accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save >as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did >not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. > >So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with >this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix >? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the >administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or >any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put >it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. > >TIA for any hints out there! > >Susie Breier >Assistant Systems Librarian >Concordia University Libraries >1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 >Montreal, Quebec ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From eric at openly.com Thu Dec 2 14:17:39 1999 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You don't mention what the server is. Many web servers have an option that defines "TEXT" actions which automatically replace line endings with . Eric At 9:43 AM -0800 12/2/99, SUSIE BREIER wrote: >I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting >our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide >search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my >robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this >is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot >accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save >as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did >not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. > >So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with >this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix >? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the >administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or >any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put >it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. > >TIA for any hints out there! > >Susie Breier >Assistant Systems Librarian >Concordia University Libraries >1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 >Montreal, Quebec Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/ 21st Century Information Infrastructure From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Dec 2 14:37:51 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> <384587F8.73FBE897@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3846CA8F.87986347@tln.lib.mi.us> One other alternative that I forgot mention yesterday is that you have the option of getting rid of the "My Netscape" button and replacing it with the old "Guide" button. If you are so inclined, add the following to your prefs.js file: config("browser.chrome.useGuideButton", true); You'll still need to include this line to redirect the URL: config("toolbar.places.default_url",""); Good luck! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Dear Mr. Mutch and Mr. Amen, > Thank you VERY much for your kind assistance. > I did NOT have the 'read only' function turned on, as the security > software had not been installed yet & I didn't know 'read only' was > required to make the fix work. > I had been using Mr. Mutch's very informative files, and once 'read > only' was engaged it worked fine for the Search button. I then put in > Mr. Amen's nifty fix for the My Netscape button, which now goes ONLY to > our databases! Hooray! It is still labeled My Netscape, but that's not a > major deal. > This is really slick! My only problem was paying attention to what I was > typing - I left out a quotes mark the first time, and Netscape won't > open if it's not typed exactly right. I can tell I need to work on my > proofreading skills. > Again, thank you very much. You both have saved my sysadmin & me some > major headaches. > Lynne > > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Dec 2 15:00:47 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks References: Message-ID: <008501bf3cff$ecde9380$e84ae980@usask.ca> > how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix > ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the > administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or > any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put > it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. I was under the impression that most FTP programs would handle the linefeed conversions automagically when transfering text files. This assumes you're using FTP to move the file and not editing it directly on a (NFS or otherwise) mounted drive. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bandis at indiana.edu Thu Dec 2 15:44:22 1999 From: bandis at indiana.edu (Andis, Betty Jean) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Professional Staff Vacancy Message-ID: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA02308343@delaware.exchange.indiana.edu> > INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON LIBRARIES > PROFESSIONAL STAFF VACANCY > > Position Title: Library Web Administrator > > Rank: PA15 > Position Number: 010Y2M > Account Number: 10-474-11 > > DEPARTMENT OR BRANCH LIBRARY: Libraries > > DESCRIPTION OF POSITION: Develop and maintain the Indiana University > Bloomington Libraries Web site, serving as lead in the Web architecture; > oversee and implement redesign of current Web site utilizing > recommendations of usability and Web architecture consultants' reports; in > consultation with > the Associate Dean and Director of Collection Development, establishes > priorities for core collections and database content descriptions; monitor > and implement appropriate changes in Web technology and software in > cooperation with technical support staff; work with Associate Dean and > Director of Technical Services to integrate technical services work into > the Web presentation of library resources; head the Web Policy Committee > and the Web Working Team; coordinate development and implementation of a > usability plan for the IUB Libraries Web site; represent libraries in > appropriate University groups and committees; establish guidelines and > policies to regulate the Web site in concert with a Advisory Group; > coordinate training of staff and the use of Web development tools to > support a decentralized network of Web developers; carry out new projects > as appropriate. > > QUALIFICATIONS: Required: MLS/MIS or equivalent in experience and > education; demonstrated success in development and maintenance of a > complex > Web site; knowledge of Web architecture principles with understanding of > graphic design elements; project management/leadership skills; > collaborative/consensus building skills; sophisticated understanding of > the role of technology in the provision of information resources/services; > excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong organizational > skills; creativity; user-focus; problem-solving skills; UNIX, Advanced > HTML, CGI programming, Perl, and JavaScript. Preferred: Understanding of > academic > institutions and libraries; knowledge of Web accessibility/usability norms > and guidelines. Familiarity with content of academic electronic resources > databases. > > Please include a letter of application, a professional vita, and names, > addresses, and phone number of four references. > > APPLY TO: Yolanda Cooper-Birdine DATE LISTED: > December 7, 1999 > Libraries Human Resources > Main Library C-201 DATE > CLOSED: December 20, 1999 > 855-8196 > 5:00 p.m. > > From kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Thu Dec 2 17:40:33 1999 From: kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Kathy P. Wheeler) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Netscape question Message-ID: All of our public terminals have the following configurations: 1. Either Windows 95 or 98 2. Everybody's Menu 3. WinSelect 4. Netscape 4.08 (the stand-alone version) The problem is, on all of these computers, when you open Netscape it opens as a small box not as a full screen. I don't know why this happens and I don't know how to fix it. I'd really like to fix it since many of our students don't know that all they need to do to see the entire screen is to click on the middle box at the top of the Netscape screen. Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu Electronic Services Librarian University Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu From sjahmed at kfupm.edu.sa Sat Dec 4 02:53:41 1999 From: sjahmed at kfupm.edu.sa (SYED SAJJAD AHMED) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: Usng Host on-demand from Internet Explorer Message-ID