From bargioni at usc.urbe.it Fri Dec 3 06:41:37 1999 From: bargioni at usc.urbe.it (Stefano Bargioni) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Disabling Netscape buttons References: <199912021805.KAA08468@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3847AC6A.D05477B4@usc.urbe.it> Peter Schlumpf wrote: > I have the same problem too. I'm developing a public access Internet kiosk > and have to lock down Netscape as much as possible. There is a switch you > can use in the prefs.js file that sets the seach button to an arbitrary > URL. I don't think there's a corresponding switch for the "My Netscape" > button. > > My solution so far is using a proxy server to block access to unwanted > sites and I expect this to work for the My Netscape button as well. The > user will get an error message from the proxy server; a clumsy solution, > but it's better than no solution at all, and I planned to use the proxy > server anyway. > > I really, really, really wish for a browser with just simple navigation > tools (back, forward, reload, home, stop) and NO silly redundant features > that server purely marketing purposes (My Netscape, Shop, etc.), and that > doesnt require jumping through hoops and employing fancy tricks just to > secure and customize a browser. > > Peter Schlumpf > schlumpf@nslsilus.org > > > Peter, the solution using proxy is good. We use the same idea. Also you can consider to configure the default gateway of your kiosk using access lists, if your router allows it. About browsers for kiosks, IMHO Windows is not the solution. The best solution is any browser in a Macintosh environment, using At Ease product, that allows any kind of control over the client (floppy, applications, ...) for more than one user (anonymous without password, librarian, administrator,...). And if you need to modify the application program, you can alterate menus, buttons and more using ResEdit. Bye. Stefano -- Dott. Stefano Bargioni Pontificia Universita' della Santa Croce - Roma --- "Si apud bibliothecam hortulum habes, nihil deerit" (Cicerone) --- From mccannhe at metronet.lib.mi.us Fri Dec 3 08:32:40 1999 From: mccannhe at metronet.lib.mi.us (Helga McCann) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One possible solution: ask whoever maintains your Everybody's Menu to make sure that the box stating "CLICK HERE TO LAUNCH APPLICATION MAXIMIZED" is checked. This is on the program screen where you type in the path to launch whatever program is associated with that button. ================================================ Helga F. McCann mccannhe@metronet.lib.mi.us Southfield Public Library 248-948-0460 Southfield, MI 48076 USA http://www.sfldlib.org ================================================ On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Kathy P. Wheeler wrote: > All of our public terminals have the following configurations: > 1. Either Windows 95 or 98 > 2. Everybody's Menu > 3. WinSelect > 4. Netscape 4.08 (the stand-alone version) > > The problem is, on all of these computers, when you open Netscape it > opens as a small box not as a full screen. I don't know why this happens > and I don't know how to fix it. I'd really like to fix it since many of > our students don't know that all they need to do to see the entire screen > is to click on the middle box at the top of the Netscape screen. Any > ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. > > Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu > Electronic Services Librarian > University Library > University of South Alabama > Mobile, AL 36688 > homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu > > From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Fri Dec 3 09:22:27 1999 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Position Announcement (Omaha, Nebraska) Message-ID: Search reopened: Reference & Electronic Services Librarian University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha GENERAL SUMMARY OF RESPONSIBILITIES: Effectively assists patrons with their information needs by performing general and specialized reference work and on or off-site library instruction. Actively participates in collection development and library liaison responsibilities in assigned subject areas. Manages content development for the library's web site. Maintains effective working relationships with colleagues in the department, library, and the university. Fulfills requirements of faculty status in areas of contributions to librarianship, scholarly activities, and service. For complete position description and application information, please see: http://library.unomaha.edu/ESLannouncement.html ====================================================== Marc Davis University Library UNOmaha 6001 Dodge Street Omaha, NE, 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 | Fax (402) 554-3215 davis@revelation.unomaha.edu ------------------------------------------------------ "Yeah, no problem. I live 5 minutes from home." ------------------------------------------------------ From k.kinnear at mdx.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 09:50:58 1999 From: k.kinnear at mdx.ac.uk (Katie Kinnear) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3847D0AC.F3856013@mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Kevin - this works on my own NT workstation, but under Netsitter, this combination does not seem to do anything - perhaps because there is no menu bar. Does anybody else have any other ideas? >> Kevin Sullivan (internet@mcpl.lib.mo.us) >> Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) >> >> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the >> browser window. >> >> -- >> Kevin Sullivan >> Internet Systems Manager >> Mid-Continent Public Library >> http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us >> mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us >> >> Roy Tennant wrote: >> > >> > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do >> > not reply to me. Thanks, Roy >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape >> > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't >> > found a solution to the following problem: >> > >> > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue >> > via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using >> > Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students >> > have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar >> > appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), >> > presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get >> > stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that >> > they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what >> > combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and >> > secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. >> > >> > Thanks in advance.... >> > >> > Katie >> > _________________________________________ >> > Katie Kinnear >> > Assistant Systems Librarian >> > Middlesex University >> > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ >> > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 >> > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk >> > _________________________________________ > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9912/0017.html > _________________________________________ Katie Kinnear Assistant Systems Librarian Middlesex University Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk _________________________________________ From susie at alcor.concordia.ca Fri Dec 3 10:05:05 1999 From: susie at alcor.concordia.ca (SUSIE BREIER) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: robots.txt In-Reply-To: <3847AC6A.D05477B4@usc.urbe.it> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded so quickly to my query about the robots file and unix linebreaks. Many useful suggestions. The main culprint was probably my BBEdit editor preferences - though I was using the "Save as: Unix Linebreaks" option, the preferences still had "force at end of lines" checked off. Luc Grondin from Universite du Quebec a Montreal was also kind enough to send me a copy of Notespad (windows freeware) which has a nifty "DOS to Unix" conversion tool, and is useful for checking at a glance whether a txt file has actually been saved with the right linebreaks. Apparently the file is fine now, but I guess only time will tell for sure, once the index is refreshed and the spider has crawled again... Thanks again, Susie Breier Assistant Systems Librarian Concordia University Libraries 1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 Montreal, Quebec From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Dec 3 10:37:19 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3847E3AF.8F6F6BC0@tln.lib.mi.us> Katie, The best solution to this problem is to upgrade to the Standalone version of Navigator - release 4.08. This has all of the mail and editor functions stipped out including the floating tool bar. Also, this version of Navigator is the most stable available, especially in implementation of Java and Javascript support. It is available at: http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html If these workstations are only being used as OPACs, you might want to look at my help pages that explain how to do things like disabling short-cut keys and running Navigator in Superkiosk mode. These are available at: northville.lib.mi.us/tech/netscape.html If you have to stick with 4.04, you might want to explore using Netscape's Client Customization Kit. I haven't used it at all but it does allow you to create custom "netscape.cfg" files, which I believe would you allow you to lock this component down. Maybe someone who has used the CCK could add more. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Katie Kinnear wrote: > Thanks Kevin - this works on my own NT workstation, but under > Netsitter, this combination does not seem to do anything - perhaps > because there is no menu bar. > > Does anybody else have any other ideas? > > >> Kevin Sullivan (internet@mcpl.lib.mo.us) > >> Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) > >> > >> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the > >> browser window. > >> > >> -- > >> Kevin Sullivan > >> Internet Systems Manager > >> Mid-Continent Public Library > >> http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us > >> mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us > >> > >> Roy Tennant wrote: > >> > > >> > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do > >> > not reply to me. Thanks, Roy > >> > > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape > >> > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't > >> > found a solution to the following problem: > >> > > >> > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue > >> > via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using > >> > Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students > >> > have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar > >> > appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), > >> > presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get > >> > stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that > >> > they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what > >> > combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and > >> > secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance.... > >> > > >> > Katie > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Katie Kinnear > >> > Assistant Systems Librarian > >> > Middlesex University > >> > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > >> > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > >> > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > >> > _________________________________________ > > > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9912/0017.html > > > > _________________________________________ > > Katie Kinnear > Assistant Systems Librarian > Middlesex University > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > _________________________________________ From lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu Fri Dec 3 11:15:58 1999 From: lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Serials Librarian, Hunter College, NY Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991203111057.009721c0@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> Please excuse cross postings. HUNTER COLLEGE OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK Serials Librarian Instructor or Assistant Professor Under the direction of the Associate Librarian for Collection Development, responsible for the acquisitions, cataloging, and processing of library serials in all formats. Plans, coordinates and manages serials collections, including binding and check-in; supervises assigned staff; participates in the enrichment and maintenance of libraries' web resources catalog; resolves problems and acts as liaison with Head of Cataloging, Acquisitions Manager, branch librarians, unit heads, library bibliographers and vendors for serials related issues. Participates in general reference service, library instruction, and collection development; assists patrons in the use of OPAC, CD-ROM's, electronic services, and Internet/WWW; develops instructional publications in various formats. May be assigned as needed to other divisions of Hunter College Libraries. Qualifications: Required: Instructor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school. Assistant Professor: M.L.S., or its equivalent from an ALA-accredited library school, and an additional Master's degree or Doctorate. Highly desirable: Previous cataloging and/or serials experience; experience working with a major automated system, such as NOTIS; knowledge of OCLC and serials cataloging practices, including electronic resources; supervisory experience; academic public services, collection development, electronic resources and bibliographic instruction experience; initiative, self-direction, with the ability to work independently and effectively in a team environment with a culturally diverse community of faculty, students, and library colleagues; excellent communication and interpersonal skills; ability to meet requirements for promotion/tenure. Salary: Instructor: $31,197 - $48,284; Assistant Professor: $34,011 - $57,049, commensurate with qualifications and experience. Liberal fringe benefits. 35-hour, 5-day work week, including some evening and/or weekend hours. Hunter College, the second oldest college in The City University of New York, is a coeducational, fully accredited college, with a large and diverse faculty in the liberal arts and sciences and in several professional schools. Hunter's total enrollment is approximately 19,000 students. Of these, about 8,000 are full-time undergraduate, an additional 7,000 are part-time students, and over 4,000 are graduate students studying in arts and sciences, teacher education and professional programs at the Schools of Arts and Sciences, Education, Social Work, and Health Professions. With a professional staff of 24 librarians, Hunter College Library contains approximately 840,000 volumes, 2,300 current periodical titles, and a nonprint collection of discs, tapes, scores, CD-ROMs, and microforms. The library resources of Hunter College are available through CUNY+, an automated library system, which provides access to all CUNY library collections. Review of applications will begin upon receipt and will continue until the position is filled. Send resume and names (with addresses, telephone, fax numbers, email addresses) of at least three current references to: Dr. Louise S. Sherby Chief Librarian Hunter College Libraries 695 Park Avenue New York, N.Y. 10021 An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action/IRCA/Americans with Disabilities Act Employer ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Associate Dean and Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** From rpage at okstate.edu Fri Dec 3 11:32:59 1999 From: rpage at okstate.edu (rpage@okstate.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Netscape Navigator 4.08 and ProQuest Direct Message-ID: Hi! I have been following the discussion below with some interest. Now I have a question, since we ran into a new problem with Netscape! We have been using Navigator 4.08 (the standalone version) for awhile, with no problems, but yesterday we noticed that when accessing a full image (PDF) at the ProQuest site, the document will appear, something will continue to load, then everything on the right-hand side of the window will disappear. We have verified this behavior on both our public workstations and on a few staff machines that are using this version of Netscape. This problem does not happen with v4.61 of Communicator, at least not on the staff machines that we checked, nor with v5.x of Internet Explorer. The only new thing (very visible, anyway) that I can see at the ProQuest site is a "Page Control" area in the left-hand frame, when viewing the full image document. Has anyone else run into this? If so, how have you dealt with it? ProQuest initially told us that we can make a change to how Acrobat (v4) is set to respond to browser requests, but this throws up a number of dialog boxes that may confuse the patrons. At our second call, ProQuest indicated acknowledgement of the problem and said they would look into a resolution. Thank you, Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard M. Page Library Systems Department, 224A Library Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK 74078-1070 (405) 744-5347 Voice (405) 744-7579 Fax E-Mail: rpage@okstate.edu URL: http://el0455.lib.okstate.edu/ Andrew Mutch Sent by: cc: web4lib@sunsite.be Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Communicator floating rkeley.edu toolbar (fwd) 12/03/1999 09:31 AM The best solution to this problem is to upgrade to the Standalone version of Navigator - release 4.08. This has all of the mail and editor functions stripped out including the floating tool bar. Also, this version of Navigator is the most stable available, especially in implementation of Java and JavaScript support. From lgreen at mchs.com Fri Dec 3 13:43:41 1999 From: lgreen at mchs.com (Green, Lori) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: unsubscribing Message-ID: My apologies for posting to the list, but I have been trying for the last week to unsubscribe -- to no avail. Can any one help? Thank you, Lori Lori E. Green Mount Carmel, Library Services 793 W. State Street Columbus, Ohio 43222 "This electronic message transmission contains confidential or privileged information from the Mount Carmel Health System. The information is intended for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 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From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Dec 3 14:24:28 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] unsubscribing (fwd) Message-ID: I will use this as an opportunity to draw everyone's attention to the infamous "Web4Lib Troubleshooting Guide, or, How to tell when something has gone horribly wrong and what to do about it" at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/troubleshooting.html It explains what to do for the following problems: 1) You subscribe and nothing happens 2) You unsubscribe and nothing happens 3) Your Web4Lib mail suddenly stops coming 4) You received the message "You have been removed..." 5) You post a message to Web4Lib and yoiu get back dozens of copies of it from some strange place 6) Somone posts a message to the list asking how to unsubscribe [hmmm...I wonder if this ever happens?] 7) Somone posts an idiotic message to the list In answer to each of these situations, you will find "What May Be Happening", "What to Do About It", and, ocassionally, a snide remark. All brought to you by the person who has to clean up the mess. Thanks, Roy Tennant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Green, Lori" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] unsubscribing My apologies for posting to the list, but I have been trying for the last week to unsubscribe -- to no avail. Can any one help? Thank you, Lori Lori E. Green Mount Carmel, Library Services 793 W. State Street Columbus, Ohio 43222 "This electronic message transmission contains confidential or privileged information from the Mount Carmel Health System. The information is intended for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (614-234-8700) or by electronic mail (exchange@mchs.com) immediately." "This is a personal message. The views expressed in this message are solely those of the sender, and are not to be attributed to the owner of the sender's domain, the sender's employer or any other person. Any reproduction or distribution of this message without this disclaimer is prohibited." From kirwin at wittenberg.edu Fri Dec 3 14:31:06 1999 From: kirwin at wittenberg.edu (Kenneth R. Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: IE 5/NT installation problem In-Reply-To: <199912031806.KAA09242@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19991203135526.00ab1900@mail.wittenberg.edu> Hi folks, I just installed a copy of IE 5.0 on one of our library lab terminals (an NT station that requires a university login -- not a plain public terminal), and found that while I could use it just fine, non-administrators cannot. Here's what's going on: The Iexplore.exe permissions for general users are set to "(RX)" -- 1. When a non-admin user opens the program, there comes a message saying that only administrative users can use the Internet Connection Wizard. But since the machines are already on the campus network, that's unnecessary -- clicking "OK" brings up the default microsoft page as usual. 2. If the user types in a location, e.g. http://www.wittenberg.edu, an error message says that access to the site is disallowed. 3. If the user types in a location *without the protocol*, eg: www.wittenberg.edu, it works! 4. Following links works just fine. Does anyone have a clue about what's going on? it sounds like somewhere in the all the mess of files that IE creates, I need to change some configurations, but I have no idea what or where. Among other things, I'd like it to not attempt to start the Internet Connection wizard. Help! (curiously, when I installed the same version on the reference desk computer a few months ago, it worked just fine, for administrators and general users alike.) Thanks, Ken Kenneth R. Irwin kirwin@wittenberg.edu Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian (937) 327-7594 Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Fri Dec 3 15:15:40 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: IE 5/NT installation problem Message-ID: <991203151540.1ee71@sals.edu> >1. When a non-admin user opens the program, there comes a message saying >that only administrative users can use the Internet Connection Wizard. But >since the machines are already on the campus network, that's unnecessary -- >clicking "OK" brings up the default microsoft page as usual. I don't usually see this, because I use the custom install option and I don't check the box for ICW. This past week, however, I have been experimenting with Office 2000 and noticed that when I installed NT4/SP6a, IE 5.01 and then Office, I ended up with an icon on the desktop which called the Internet Connection Wizard. I got the same behavior you described; I could bypass it and told it not to ask again. Office 2000 will offer to install IE 5 if you don't have it. I'm not sure why it thought I needed the ICW when there already was a network connection. If you look at Tools | Internet Options | Connections, there are some settings for ICW. You might see if something needs to be turned off. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us Fri Dec 3 16:10:14 1999 From: jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us (Jane Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: Problem with public Internet computers Message-ID: I am setting up 60 new computers with NT4, IE 5 for the public. I set up one, logged in as webpac, setup all kinds of customizations and restrictions primarily via regedit. I am trying to use Imagecast to clone the others but the registry changes are attached to the webpac login. I originally thought that was ok but now (after weeks of work) I remember that we use networked printers and it is the login that prints on the banner page in order to differentiate print jobs. When I try to login as someone else a new profile is created for this login and I have not been able to successfully copy the webpacs registry to this one. Maybe I could export/import but I have never had good luck with that. Is there someway for the printer server to print the computer name on the separator page? That would be the best solution I think. anyone have any ideas? Jane Frasier, Software Support Specialist Jefferson County (CO) Public Library From mcculley at best.com Fri Dec 3 23:58:11 1999 From: mcculley at best.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 5/NT installation problem In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991203135526.00ab1900@mail.wittenberg.edu> Message-ID: <000e01bf3e14$29ce09a0$b7eb56ce@mcculley> In a similar vein, but desktop stand-alone at work, I'm having troubles running the NT4.0 with the AOL 5.0 Client. The system had IE4.0 on it, and I upgraded to IE5.0 (thinking that would be more robust for AOL!), and downloaded and installed AOL 5.0. The TCP/IP LAN connection works fine to connect to AOL, and all AOL function are there -- except there's NO Web access inside the client --no search, no URLs work inside the search window, etc. Stand-alone, both Communicator and IE 5.0 work fine --but not within the AOL 5.0 client. The AOL help staff said, unfortunately, NT isn't a supported platform, so they can't help. Our helpdesk also has no experience with AOL clients so that's a washout for help :). If anyone's got a clue on this one, please drop me a note. Best, Michael McCulley *speaking only for himself* Email: mcculley@best.com Quote of the Moment: Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth R. Irwin > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:33 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 5/NT installation problem > > > Hi folks, > > I just installed a copy of IE 5.0 on one of our library lab terminals (an > NT station that requires a university login -- not a plain public > terminal), and found that while I could use it just fine, > non-administrators cannot. Here's what's going on: [snipped rest] From msauers at bcr.org Wed Dec 8 09:29:34 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE 5.5 Beta available In-Reply-To: <005f01bf405a$e4a1b360$85cf5c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: > At your own risk! I have a problem with Money98 and 5.5 beta. What problems have you had? Michael Sauers msauers@bcr.org Internet Trainer (personal) www.webpan.com/msauers/ Bibliographic Center for Research (BCR) (business) www.bcr.org/~msauers/ All opinions expressed are just my own unless otherwise noted. From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Dec 8 13:48:29 1999 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Illinois Digital Academic Library - Full Text Journal Vendor Sele cted Message-ID: FYI.....an update on the Illinois Digital Academic Library (IDAL) project..... 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From internet at washoe.lib.nv.us Wed Dec 8 16:28:42 1999 From: internet at washoe.lib.nv.us (John Kupersmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: POSITION: Librarian II - Internet, Reno NV Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991208132842.007a6d70@mail.powernet.net> POSITION AVAILABLE LIBRARIAN II - INTERNET WASHOE COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM RENO, NEVADA The Internet Services Librarian manages our award-winning web site < http://www.washoe.lib.nv.us >, oversees a popular public Internet access service, recommends databases and information systems, helps resolve technical issues, assists other staff and patrons, conducts training, and takes part in systemwide planning. Applicants must have BA degree AND one year of full-time professional library experience OR an equivalent combination of closely related education and experience; however, the education may not substitute for more than one-half of the required experience. In addition, qualified applicants will possess professional Internet experience (web design, HTML coding, training others). Salary range $34,590-$45,947. No state income tax; 100% employer-paid retirement contributions; medical, dental, vision, life insurance benefits provided at no cost for employee; longevity pay; and deferred compensation benefits available. Must complete Washoe County Employment Application including Supplemental Questionnaire. For more information and the application form, see the Washoe County Human Resources Department web site at < http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/personnel > or call (775) 328-2081. Filing Deadline: Friday, January 14, 2000. AA/EOE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Kupersmith internet@washoe.lib.nv.us Internet Services Librarian voice: 775-785-4137 Washoe County Library System fax: 775-785-4087 301 South Center St., Reno, NV 89501 Reno's most useful web site -- http://www.washoe.lib.nv.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cbickner at nypl.org Wed Dec 8 17:11:53 1999 From: cbickner at nypl.org (cbickner) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Collecting Statistics Message-ID: <002C9002.C21343@nypl.org> What kinds of programs/mechanisms are people using to collect computer use statistics? We use WebTrends for Internet stats and use the following three numbers for reports and sound bites. User Session -- A session of activity (all hits) for one user of the web site. A unique user is determined by the IP address or cookie. By default, a user session is terminated when a user is inactive for more than 30 minutes. View (Page) -- Each request for a particular web page. Also referred to as an Impression or a Page View. and the ever problematic: Hits -- An action on the web server, such as when a user views a page or downloads a file. Carrie Bickner -- Web Coordinator ---------------------------------------------- The New York Public Library - Branch Libraries From kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca Thu Dec 9 00:53:03 1999 From: kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca (Kevin Kierans) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: timeout software Message-ID: <384F43BF.6330D351@tnrdlib.bc.ca> You might want to look at http://www.base2.org/projects/patc/index.html kevin -- Kevin Kierans, Manager of Library and Support Services Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System Kamloops, B.C. CANADA V2C 2A9 (250)374-8866 mailto:kkierans@tnrdlib.bc.ca http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/ From kliss at hbs.edu Fri Dec 10 06:43:19 1999 From: kliss at hbs.edu (kliss@hbs.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991210064317.0070e1b8@hbs.edu> A couple of venerable Net figures -- Ed Krol and Mitch Kapor -- were quoted along these lines in late 1992 (see below), but I bet someone can find it earlier. "What we had was a library where all the books were dumped on the floor and there was no card catalogue," Ed Krol, author of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet," said. "Now there's a card catalogue and people are starting to put the books on the shelves." -- "Getting up to speed on the computer highway," by Joshua Quittner, Newsday, November 3, 1992 Mitch Kapor, the founder of Lotus Development Corp. who is now head of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that "seeks to develop public policies to maximize the social potential of new computer and communications technologies," likened Internet to a library where all the books are dumped on the floor in no particular order. -- "Arctic one small step for Internet users," by Robert E. Calem, New York Times News Service, Globe and Mail, December 9, 1992 ===================== Ken Liss Editor, HBS Working Knowledge Baker Library, Harvard Business School http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu kliss@hbs.edu 617-496-6862 ===================== >Hanan, I included the quote in the Libraries FAQ, >http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/sect8.htm , and I have also tried to >track down the author: > >According to Copernicus http://www.copernicus.win-uk.net/quotes.htm : > >"It's like being in a library where someone has scattered all the books on >the floor, attached them together with threads and you are in the dark." >MorningSide, CBC Radio, May 1995 > > >But then again it may be the ALA: >http://wings.buffalo.edu/nursing/dl/distedu4.htm > >Or Patrick Casey (Associated Press, Oklahoma City): >http://www.sfdrs.ch/linkpage/suche/ & >http://ajr.newslink.org/web/intro.html > >Or Anonymous: http://www.gananda.k12.ny.us/library/mshslibrary/LIBQTE1.HTM > >> On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest >library in >> the world with all the books on the floor". >> >> Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? > > From bjordan at u.washington.edu Fri Dec 10 10:18:23 1999 From: bjordan at u.washington.edu (William Jordan) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Position Announcment - Internship in Library Systems Message-ID: NOTICE OF VACANCY November 29, 1999 TITLE: Internship in Library Systems GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The University of Washington Libraries is seeking applicants for an internship in Library Systems. This two-year position is designed to provide an intensive learning opportunity in which the incumbent will have a chance to both develop technical skills and learn to work as part of a team in all phases of projects from early planning stages to delivery and support. This work on campus will be supplemented as appropriate by additional training, attendance at relevant professional workshops, seminars, and conferences as appropriate. Library Systems has four librarians, four technical staff, an office manager, and part-time students. The Systems Intern reports to the Head, Distributed Computing Systems. While this position is primarily aimed at recent graduates, librarians who are looking for a new career focus and have the necessary skills are encouraged to apply. Library Systems operates in a dynamic campus environment focused on providing Web based services to both users and library staff. Our gateway includes a personalized service, My Gateway , that has received national recognition as a top technology trend from LITA . The environment is NT based. Currently we have Dell Poweredge servers with over 200 Gigabytes of hardware RAID. The main libraries have about 800 Pentium class PC's now and expect to complete a migration to NT and Office 2000 by June 2000. For our ILS we use Innovative Interfaces Inc., and are now engaged in a large scale beta test of their new advanced keyword search engine. During the next two years we will be implementing the Innovative Web based Millennium system. The current project areas center around continuing to develop Web gateway services and improve links between commercial indexes, our catalog, and online full text resources. SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES and DUTIES: 1. Takes part in planning and contributes to the implementation of electronic information services to the public, particularly through the use of PC's, NT networking and the Web. During the two years the intern will take increasingly more responsibility within project teams. 2. Participates in the development of overall technology planning for Library Systems, learning to critically evaluate new products and services that become available. 3. Develops an awareness of networking standards, technology and national developments related to distributed computing environments delivered through Microsoft NT. 4. Participates in the analysis of the networked information needs of end-users and library staff. 5. May participate in staff or user education programs. 6. Increasingly participates in Libraries-wide committees, task forces, and teams as assigned. 7. Assumes other responsibilities as assigned; performs other duties as required. QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Graduate degree from a program accredited by the American Library Association or an equivalent graduate library science/information studies degree required. 2. Sufficient coursework or experience in computer systems to demonstrate a readiness to begin professional systems work. 3. Good oral and written communication skills. 4. User-centered service philosophy and willingness to work with a wide variety of people including Libraries users and all levels of staff. 5. Some technical experience including the creation and maintenance of CGI or similar scripts as part of coursework or student employment. 6. Must be knowledgeable about current trends in information technology, particularly those relating to NT and the World Wide Web at the level of a skilled recent graduate. 7. Ability to function well in a changing environment, to work effectively within a large complex organization and to exercise initiative required. 8. Specific training and/or experience with any of the following environments desirable: Innovative Interfaces, Microsoft NT environment including IIS and ASP. 9. Experience with Microsoft Access or other relational database systems is also desirable. SALARY: $35,000/year minimum. Starting salary commensurate with qualifications and background. BENEFITS: Librarians are academic personnel and participate in the University of Washington Retirement Plan (TIAA-CREF, The Vanguard Group, SAFECO Mutual Funds and/or Fidelity Investments) on a matching basis. Vacation is accrued at the rate of 24 working days per year; sick leave at the rate of 12 working days per year. Excellent medical, dental and life insurance plans. No state or local income tax. APPLY TO: Charles E. Chamberlin Deputy Director of Libraries University of Washington Libraries 482 Allen Library Box 352900 Seattle, Washington 98195-2900 Applicants should submit a letter of application, full resume including a work telephone number and e-mail address, salary requirements, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of at least three references who are knowledgeable of the applicant's qualifications for this position. For this position also attach a summary of some recent technical coursework or project that indicates your current abilities in a relevant area. If possible include a URL to both the project and any documentation or source. APPLICATION DEADLINE: To ensure consideration, applications should be received no later than 5:00 p.m., Friday, January 21, 2000. University of Washington Libraries' Home Page is: http://www.lib.washington.edu The University of Washington, an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer, is building a culturally diverse staff and strongly encourages applications from female and minority candidates. In compliance with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, the University is required to verify and document the citizenship or employment authorization of each new employee. From johnsonka at usfca.edu Fri Dec 10 10:33:05 1999 From: johnsonka at usfca.edu (Karen Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <005701bf42d0$25bae7a0$b8efffcc@257q8> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19991210073305.00a3fb10@pop.admin.usfca.edu> Hanan et al, Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert Karen J. At 09:40 PM 12/09/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Hanan, I included the quote in the Libraries FAQ, >http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/sect8.htm , and I have also tried to >track down the author: > >According to Copernicus http://www.copernicus.win-uk.net/quotes.htm : > >"It's like being in a library where someone has scattered all the books on >the floor, attached them together with threads and you are in the dark." >MorningSide, CBC Radio, May 1995 > > >But then again it may be the ALA: >http://wings.buffalo.edu/nursing/dl/distedu4.htm > >Or Patrick Casey (Associated Press, Oklahoma City): >http://www.sfdrs.ch/linkpage/suche/ & >http://ajr.newslink.org/web/intro.html > >Or Anonymous: http://www.gananda.k12.ny.us/library/mshslibrary/LIBQTE1.HTM > >> On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest >library in >> the world with all the books on the floor". >> >> Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? > > > *************************************************************** Karen Johnson Library System Manager University of San Francisco 2130 Fulton St. San Francisco, CA 94117 (415)422-2759 Phone (415)422-2233 FAX From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 10 11:17:03 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Any online Certificate of Advanced Studies programs? Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA929@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I am looking for any Certificate of Advanced Studies (CAS) programs at ALA certified library schools that are available online at least partly if not entirely. Please post to me. I am looking to get more credit hours under my belt for my next promotion in a few years. ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From jmketcham at Cerritos.edu Fri Dec 10 11:38:05 1999 From: jmketcham at Cerritos.edu (Jule' Ketcham) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historian software In-Reply-To: <009401bf42a7$f8df0400$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Karen, About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our test computer and never installed on our other machines. I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. ********************************* Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian jmketcham@cerritos.edu Cerritos College 11110 Alondra Blvd. Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 (562)860-2451 ext. 2415 http://library.cerritos.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Karen G. Schneider > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historian software > > > I coulda swore I posted on this two days ago, but response has > been nil and > I don't see the message. If I overlooked it, I apologize for repeating > myself. > > Does anyone out there have experience with the software program Historian > (published by the Fortres company)? I'm particularly interested > in how well > Historian tracks all types of computer use, is it network-friendly, what > does it consider a user, and how it exports data. I am also interested in > alternative software. (For our intranet and extranet, we are relying on > Webtrends to give us a picture of "user sessions," however > not-quite-accurate it may be... however, we provide access to other tools, > such as word processing, which we do not have data on.) > > The *reason* I am investigating this is that Historian was > mentioned by name > in a memo discussing measuring user sessions for a possible new > state report > statistical area. I was asked to comment on this report, and would have > anyway. I'm all for electronic measurement, and think that shaky data is > better than no data at all, but before thousands of libraries > dash out in a > panic to purchase this software, I'd like to do more background > investigation, from Them What Knows. > > Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com > Assistant Director of Technology > Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY > http://www.shenpublib.org > From jgreer at selway.umt.edu Fri Dec 10 12:04:26 1999 From: jgreer at selway.umt.edu (John R. Greer) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Historian Message-ID: <99121010051600.22512@ml3038> I am very interested in any comments on this product or similar products so please post response to the list... -- John Greer Network Systems Administrator Mansfield Library, The University of Montana (406)243-2539 From bsmith at linc.lib.il.us Fri Dec 10 12:36:29 1999 From: bsmith at linc.lib.il.us (Brian Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991210073305.00a3fb10@pop.admin.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991210113629.00805be0@vax.linc.lib.il.us> >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" column in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. Brian Smith Assistant Head of Adult Services Villa Park (IL) Public Library http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ bsmith@linc.lib.il.us ... But writing only on my own behalf =========== "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) From ajhynek at scls.lib.wi.us Fri Dec 10 12:41:13 1999 From: ajhynek at scls.lib.wi.us (Amy Hynek) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software In-Reply-To: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991210114113.0081f410@mail.scls.lib.wi.us> I gave Historian a try on one of our public Internet workstations this past summer. We were also interested in usage of our subscription databases. The log file it produced filled up rapidly, with all the activity from users. It caused some error messages, and the log file abruptly ended in the late afternoon (starting it at 8:30 a.m.) I had to empty it everyday, and even sometimes that wasn't often enough. I talked to the folks at Fortres, and they couldn't tell me the max file size it supported. They were able to tell me how to get rid of the errors I was getting from a too full log file, but that's about as far as it went. The log file wasn't all that helpful anyway for statistical purposes, at least what I was able to decipher. I admit that I didn't spend a bunch of time on it though, with other projects to work on at the time, Historian fell by the wayside. Another option is Internet Manager at: http://www.elronsoftware.com/coindex.html We haven't yet installed this, but it was suggested either on this list or the libsoft list at some point in time. At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: >Karen, >About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased >both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). >Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. > >I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the >amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed >utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was >clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering >software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading >since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. > >********************************* >Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian >jmketcham@cerritos.edu >Cerritos College >11110 Alondra Blvd. >Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 >(562)860-2451 ext. 2415 >http://library.cerritos.edu --------------------------------------- Amy J. Hynek Library Computer Specialist Madison Public Library - Administration 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 phone: (608) 266-4953 / fax: (608) 261-4283 email: ajhynek@scls.lib.wi.us --------------------------------------- From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Dec 10 13:05:59 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991210113629.00805be0@vax.linc.lib.il.us> Message-ID: I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the street." Now *that's* more like it. Roy On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" column > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > Brian Smith > Assistant Head of Adult Services > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > .. But writing only on my own behalf > =========== > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > From merchant at bayou.com Fri Dec 10 13:11:04 1999 From: merchant at bayou.com (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991210121043.00997100@mail.bayou.com> At 10:05 AM 12/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The >Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on >the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to >explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel >like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. >How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the >street." Now *that's* more like it. Except those random people are putting up books, whether printed by big concerns or self published, on the web, or putting up other information which can indeed be found in print in a magazine, book, etc in a library. So in that manner it is like one put together by packrats and vandalized nightly. As with all metaphors and analogies, you can't carry it too far, of course. TTFN, David Systems Librarian, Louisiana Tech University Javascript list administrator Merchant's Encyclopedia of HTML Personal Page From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Fri Dec 10 14:10:53 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? Message-ID: <00fd01bf4342$481b1460$e84ae980@usask.ca> We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the others supplied with Procite do the job? Thanx, - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lstarasta at lccs.edu Fri Dec 10 14:45:47 1999 From: lstarasta at lccs.edu (Leslie Starasta) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: metaphore Message-ID: <000d01bf4347$276a4c40$739a8acd@eddie.lccs.edu> Previously when leading Internet training I have used a similar metaphor to "Books on the floor" which may satisfy those who feel the comparison of the Internet with a library is a poor analogy. Unfortunately, I don't have the source I used it from with me and I don't recall the metaphor exactly. However, the metaphor loosely went something like this: The Internet used to be like a library with no catalog and no librarian and the books move during the night. Now the Internet is like a library with no catalog, no librarian, all the books move around every night, and reproduces exponentially. Leslie Information Services Librarian Jessie C. Eury Library Lincoln Christian College From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 10 14:55:53 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: Online CAS Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA932@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I will summarize for the lists. Please don't send me any more "me too" messages. I got several dozen of those already. Evidently there is a real possibly unfilled need here. ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From daskey at library.utah.edu Fri Dec 10 15:13:28 1999 From: daskey at library.utah.edu (Dale Askey) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? In-Reply-To: <00fd01bf4342$481b1460$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <199912101314625.SM00190@ALEX.LIB.UTAH.EDU> On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > others supplied with Procite do the job? To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear about it. Best, Dale Askey ______ Dale Askey General Reference, Marriott Library University of Utah 295 South 1500 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112 Phone: (801) 587-9061 Fax: (801) 585-3464 daskey@library.utah.edu From dan at 84.com Fri Dec 10 15:24:43 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software In-Reply-To: <000201bf432c$eebd0410$61c9010a@Cerritos.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991210132240.00b7b360@mail.adaptive.net> At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: > but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. Yes, I'm pushing proxy servers again. No, I don't own any part of any companies that make them. But running your secure workstations through a proxy server will give you nice proxy logs that you can analyze with the software of your choice. You can learn what people are searching for, where they're going on the web, etc, etc, etc. There is much more data available than you can ever deal with, though it is easy to come up with the things you do care about. You can run the proxy server on any old networked box and no one will ever notice the difference. Caching that it does for you may even speed up some operations. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From stbowers at lj.cahners.com Fri Dec 10 19:02:25 1999 From: stbowers at lj.cahners.com (Bowers, Stacey (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:50 2005 Subject: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 13, 1999 Message-ID: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 13, 1999 --> http://www.libraryjournal.com NEWS --> "In a Preemptive Move, Hudsonville, MI Cuts Net Use After Petition" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13045.asp "Harvard Library Workers Protest Office Relocation" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13044.asp "Several Significant Bills Pending for Y2K" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13043.asp "Clinton Announces New Plans to Bridge 'Digital Divide'" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13042.asp "Can Browser Replace Filters?" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13041.asp "LAPL to Expand Computer Terminals Designated for Children" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13040.asp "Board-Foundation Dispute in PL Moves Toward Resolution" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13039.asp "Homeless Gain Internet Access From Libraries" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13038.asp "Jim Hightower To Deliver Inaugural Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13037.asp "Retired Librarian Charged with Pocketing $130K in Book Fines" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991213_13036.asp INFOTECH --> "Ovid Restructures Management Team" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/infotech/news/infotechindex.asp BOOK NEWS --> "Avalon Publishing Acquires John Muir" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/booknews/booknewsindex.asp CLASSIC RETURNS --> A fictional homage to the heroes of Scotland, and more. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/classicreturns/classicreturnsindex.a sp ALSO ON LJDIGITAL --> Nominate a Support Staffer! Library Journal is accepting nominations for its first-ever Paraprofessional of the Year award, to be announced in the March 15, 2000 issue. Find out how to submit nominations here: http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991129_12825.asp Prepub Alert: Nonfiction in April 2000... A biography that aims to get close to the very private novelist Patrick O'Brian. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/prepubalert/19991201_12981.asp *************************** Stacey Bowers Producer LJ Digital http://www.ljdigital.com stbowers@lj.cahners.com 212.337.7054 *************************** From jmhaddad at cyberia.net.lb Mon Dec 13 04:23:43 1999 From: jmhaddad at cyberia.net.lb (SEDUCTION CLUB AGENCY) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: remove jmhaddad@cyberia.net.lb Message-ID: <004d01bf454d$8951c8e0$12c070c3@cyberia.net.lb> remove jmhaddad@cyberia.net.lb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991213/e2d15ea4/attachment.htm From skosecki at nal.usda.gov Mon Dec 13 08:50:21 1999 From: skosecki at nal.usda.gov (Stan Kosecki) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Pro cite? Message-ID: Darryl, Based on ProCite5.0 advertised capabilities it would appear that some of the FirstSearch databases can be searched through the z39.50 protocol and results could be manipulated. Printed info from the ISIResearchSoft states: "ProCite allows you to open, search and create databases instantly from online library collections." They include a list of Z39.50 hosts for which I presume the software is pre-configured. If this functionality works as claimed, I would imagine it should be relatively easy to create a .cfg file for any FirstSearch database accessed through z39.50. Stan ************ Stan Kosecki skosecki@nal.usda.gov Electronic Media Center (301)504-7114 National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Ave. Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 ************ -----Original Message----- From: Dale Askey [mailto:daskey@library.utah.edu] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Procite? On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing this > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There doesn't > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > others supplied with Procite do the job? To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear about it. Best, Dale Askey ______ Dale Askey General Reference, Marriott Library University of Utah 295 South 1500 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112 Phone: (801) 587-9061 Fax: (801) 585-3464 daskey@library.utah.edu From snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 13 11:20:32 1999 From: snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One problem with the host files that Procite mentions, as well as the connection files offered by EndNote (a Procite competitor), is that there is no way to script usernames/passwords for proprietary databases. At least I've not been able to discover one. When one of our students or faculty try to use these connection files, they are prompted for a username and password. Distributing such information to users who are not familiar with license agreements about authorizied access and authorized users, simultaneous users, port limits, etc. is problematic from a systems point of view. Sara Brownmiller snb@darkwing.uoregon.edu Systems/Women's Studies Librarian 541/346-2368 University of Oregon Library 541/346-3485 (fax) 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Stan Kosecki wrote: > Darryl, > > Based on ProCite5.0 advertised capabilities it would appear that some of the > FirstSearch databases can be searched through the z39.50 protocol and > results could be manipulated. Printed info from the ISIResearchSoft states: > "ProCite allows you to open, search and create databases instantly from > online library collections." They include a list of Z39.50 hosts for which I > presume the software is pre-configured. If this functionality works as > claimed, I would imagine it should be relatively easy to create a .cfg file > for any FirstSearch database accessed through z39.50. > > Stan > > ************ > Stan Kosecki skosecki@nal.usda.gov > Electronic Media Center (301)504-7114 > National Agricultural Library > 10301 Baltimore Ave. > Beltsville, MD 20705-2351 > ************ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Askey [mailto:daskey@library.utah.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Importing FirstSearch/WorldCat records into > Procite? > > > On 10 Dec 99, at 11:15, Darryl Friesen wrote: > > > We have a trial access to FirstSearch, and I had a question about doing > this > > from one of our profs. What's the easiest method to do this? There > doesn't > > seem to be a FirstSearch or WorldCat import filter (or whatever they're > > called) for Procite/BiblioLink. Has someone written one? Will any of the > > others supplied with Procite do the job? > > To my knowledge, such a filter (actually called a config or .cfg file in > ProCite) does not exist. The problem is that FirstSearch has no > mechanism to export records as tagged fields. I tried to modify an > existing ProCite config file to import FirstSearch records, but gave > up after fruitless hours of headbanging. I've sent several emails to > FirstSearch asking them to create an option that would export as > tagged fields. For their databases to be considered serious research > tools, it seems that this is something they really ought to do. > > If anyone has succeeded where I failed miserably, I'd love to hear > about it. > > Best, > > Dale Askey > ______ > Dale Askey > General Reference, Marriott Library > University of Utah > 295 South 1500 East > Salt Lake City, UT 84112 > Phone: (801) 587-9061 > Fax: (801) 585-3464 > daskey@library.utah.edu > From cbickner at nypl.org Mon Dec 13 11:52:39 1999 From: cbickner at nypl.org (cbickner) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Internet Manager Message-ID: <002CDE54.C21343@nypl.org> Is anyone using Internet Manager? Carrie Bickner ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Historian software Author: Amy Hynek at Internet Date: 12/10/99 9:41 AM I gave Historian a try on one of our public Internet workstations this past summer. We were also interested in usage of our subscription databases. The log file it produced filled up rapidly, with all the activity from users. It caused some error messages, and the log file abruptly ended in the late afternoon (starting it at 8:30 a.m.) I had to empty it everyday, and even sometimes that wasn't often enough. I talked to the folks at Fortres, and they couldn't tell me the max file size it supported. They were able to tell me how to get rid of the errors I was getting from a too full log file, but that's about as far as it went. The log file wasn't all that helpful anyway for statistical purposes, at least what I was able to decipher. I admit that I didn't spend a bunch of time on it though, with other projects to work on at the time, Historian fell by the wayside. Another option is Internet Manager at: http://www.elronsoftware.com/coindex.html We haven't yet installed this, but it was suggested either on this list or the libsoft list at some point in time. At 08:37 AM 12/10/99 -0800, Jule' Ketcham wrote: >Karen, >About two years ago when I was working for another institution I purchased >both Fortres and Historian from Fortres Grand Corp. (www.fortres.com). >Fortres worked very well for our public access Windows 95 machines, but >Historian fell so far short in functionality that it was removed from our >test computer and never installed on our other machines. > >I had hoped that we could track usage for our subscription databases and the >amount of time patrons used those databases, but the software failed >utterly. Can't remember all details but I do remember that Historian was >clunky and unwieldy, and we looked elsewhere for statistics gathering >software. I would hope that this product has undergone substantial upgrading >since then and that perhaps now it works as billed. > >********************************* >Jule' Marie Ketcham, Librarian >jmketcham@cerritos.edu >Cerritos College >11110 Alondra Blvd. >Norwalk, CA 90650-6298 >(562)860-2451 ext. 2415 >http://library.cerritos.edu --------------------------------------- Amy J. Hynek Library Computer Specialist Madison Public Library - Administration 201 W. Mifflin St. Madison, WI 53703 phone: (608) 266-4953 / fax: (608) 261-4283 email: ajhynek@scls.lib.wi.us --------------------------------------- From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Mon Dec 13 13:31:35 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Netscape and Frames References: <021501bf40d7$5fb66b00$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <38553B87.1569E7DB@tln.lib.mi.us> For those of you who work with Frames and have found Netscape's implementation of your frame coding to be less than ideal, see the following article: http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Tagmania/120699/ It explains what's going "wrong" in Netscape and how to work around it. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From josepha at marquette.edu Mon Dec 13 14:55:23 1999 From: josepha at marquette.edu (A.G. Joseph) Date: Wed May 18 14:23:52 2005 Subject: Acquisitions list on the web Message-ID: <38554F2B.A3F0D589@marquette.edu> I want to know if the libraries which have their monthly acquisitions list on the web site allows patrons to reqest an item. For example do they provide radio button for each entry, so that a faculty seeing the list can request the item(s) by clicking the checkbox and the query form goes to the circ department or where ever the query is meant to be received. If so, will you be willing to share that information with others. I have created our monthly acquisitions list and uploaded on to our server. I created a single form and the faculty can fill the info and click on submit. It comes to me. However, the problem is when the list is very long with several pages to scroll down and up, it becomes very cumbersome for them to go back and forth with the form and the entries. Any suggestion is highly appreciated. Thanks -- angelina Angelina G. Joseph Marquette University Law Library P.O. Box 3137 Milwaukee, WI 53201-3137 Phone: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: josepha@marquette.edu From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Sat Dec 18 03:02:05 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Ask A Librarian." Graphics now online. References: <3.0.6.32.19991217134332.009c8ae0@shell5.ba.best.com> Message-ID: <385B3F7D.C3B9BFDA@qglibrary.org.il> also see Library Graphics from the "LIbraris FAQ" at: http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/#Library Graphics Stephanie Stokes wrote: > Then when you are ready to enhance your e-reference Web page > pay a visit to 'Library Media & PR' and pick your favorite > FREE graphic image. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From david at ofaolain.com Sat Dec 18 11:13:40 1999 From: david at ofaolain.com (David Whelan) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: wireless within a building Message-ID: <004401bf4972$db990040$04000005@dwhelan2> The SMU School of Law Underwood Law Library (Dallas, TX) has a RadioLAN wireless installation with 50 antennas circulating for student use. The network has 16 access points and was about $30K to implement (including hardware and electrical), as opposed to estimates starting at $500K to get the same coverage. It's been very successful and gives 10 Mbps from any seat in the library. (http://www.radiolan.com). I've recently left the library but would be happy to discuss this further off-list. I was involved in a presentation last year at ALA on wireless in libraries. Our presentations are online at http://www.ofaolain.com/profdev/ala99 and the Public Libraries Association http://www.pla.org did a tech review of a broad number of wireless implementations in libraries this fall. Jim Barrentine is a consultant you might want to contact, as he is quite familiar with wireless in libraries (whose e-mail address I can't find but who I think is on this list). Regards, David. %-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-%-% David P. Whelan E-mail: david@ofaolain.com Home: http://www.ofaolain.com Voice: 847.679.1206 Fax: 708.876.0775 From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Sat Dec 18 14:50:54 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:39:31 2005 Subject: Found the lost feature in Google Message-ID: <385BE59E.E443FE03@qglibrary.org.il> A while ago I asked about the "lost" feature of Google to find all the pages that link to a certain URL. Now I have found it in http://www.robotwisdom.com/netlit/search.html You type "link:www.mysite.org" and get all the pages (indexed in Google) linking to your site. -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From dudart at bse.ucl.ac.be Wed Dec 1 04:01:56 1999 From: dudart at bse.ucl.ac.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane?= dudart) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: statistics website Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991201100156.008f4280@mail.bse.ucl.ac.be> Could you share your experience in statistics website please ? *Which tool do you use ? *How to interpret statistics ? *Information source ? 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Then the program will digest submits as they come in and display a graphical presentation of the submission averages for each question. I think that makes sense. I have been a member of this list for about 1 month and think it is one of the best resources to keep me up to date on what is going on, relatively painlessly. Thanks! Gina Jones WebServices University of Maryland, College Park From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Dec 1 11:04:15 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Network login dialog box References: <3.0.4.32.19991130205810.0082aa00@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: <003b01bf3c15$b7bc1640$e84ae980@usask.ca> > One of our Win95 PC's seems to have lost its Network login dialog box. If > you reboot the machine, it connects, but never displays the box asking for > user id and password. > > I thought that happened when I upgraded Fortres from version 3 to version > 4. The Fortres tech support folks say that Fortres does not block that > dialog box. > > Does anyone out there have some suggestions as to how I can get my login > dialog box back? Well, I don't know about Fortres, but this can be accomplished with TweakUI (a control panel utility from Microsoft), or by changing the Primary Network Logon (in the Network properties) from Client for Microsoft Networks to Windows Logon, then logging on with (any) username and a blank password. If this is an OPAC then people probably shouldn't be able to get at the network settings, but I'd start looking there anyway. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Wed Dec 1 12:43:38 1999 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: Disabling Netscape buttons Message-ID: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right to the Netscape home page. Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the question, like this one. So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. Lynne -- L.E. Puckett Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings, MT 59101 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 1 13:08:28 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> Lynne, If you haven't looked at my page describing how to do this, see: http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/searchbt.htm If you have done this per the instructions and it is still not working, a couple of things to check to troubleshoot this: 1. Make sure that Netscape is closed before making changes to prefs.js - otherwise, your changes may be overwritten. 2. Disable your security software. It may be preventing you from saving changes to the file. 3. Make sure that read-only is turned off before making the changes and is turned on after saving the changes and before you reopen Netscape. If none of these do the trick, please contact me directly and I will see if I can help you through this. The "Shop Button" method doesn't work for other tool bar methods. Apparently, the Netscape engineers realized that his "improvement" would annoy many users and provided a method to get rid of it. Too bad they didn't do that for other toolbar buttons. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From schlumpf at nslsilus.org Wed Dec 1 04:43:04 1999 From: schlumpf at nslsilus.org (Peter Schlumpf) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3844EDA8.92B2824E@nslsilus.org> I have the same problem too. I'm developing a public access Internet kiosk and have to lock down Netscape as much as possible. There is a switch you can use in the prefs.js file that sets the seach button to an arbitrary URL. I don't think there's a corresponding switch for the "My Netscape" button. My solution so far is using a proxy server to block access to unwanted sites and I expect this to work for the My Netscape button as well. The user will get an error message from the proxy server; a clumsy solution, but it's better than no solution at all, and I planned to use the proxy server anyway. I really, really, really wish for a browser with just simple navigation tools (back, forward, reload, home, stop) and NO silly redundant features that server purely marketing purposes (My Netscape, Shop, etc.), and that doesnt require jumping through hoops and employing fancy tricks just to secure and customize a browser. Peter Schlumpf schlumpf@nslsilus.org "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Dec 1 14:53:22 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Nevada Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Glee Willis , please do not reply to me. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: Glee Willis Announcement Web Development Librarian (Search extended) The University of Nevada, Reno Libraries seek a tenure-track public services librarian to manage the libraries' web site. Responsibilities: Oversees design, development, and maintenance of libraries' public and internal web sites. Provides leadership in creating a site that effectively presents and facilitates the use of information resources available through the Libraries. Engages in ongoing evaluation of web-based services. Conducts user analyses. In consultation with library and computing staff, establishes design and development principles and defines the libraries' web presence. Coordinates quality control of site. Serves as liaison with Library Systems Office to manage web space and resolve database and application errors. Trains staff in use of web development tools; serves as advisor for web-based projects. Serves as member of the Collections Work Group with emphasis on management of electronic resources. Performs public service desk duties. Meets university requirements for promotion and tenure. Reports to Director for Access Services. Qualifications: ALA accredited Master degree. Experience in designing, developing and maintaining Web sites. Experience which demonstrates the innovative application of HTML, web scripting tools, and image creation software. Excellent verbal and written communication skills. Ability to act decisively and work successfully in collaborative environment. Strong organizational skills. Excellent sense of visual and structural design. Creativity and problem solving skills. Preferred: library public service experience. Salary: minimum $40,984 or commensurate with experience and qualifications. Fringes: TIAA/CREF and other retirement options; 24 vacation days; generous sick leave. No state income tax. The Environment: The University of Nevada, Reno has a student body of 12,500, with approximately one-third enrolled in graduate degree programs. The University is situated in Reno, a metropolitan area of 300,000, on the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada, 35 miles from Lake Tahoe. Applications: Send letter of application, resume, and names and addresses of three references to: Janita Jobe; Library Dean's Office/Mailstop 322; University of Nevada; 1664 N. Virginia St.; Reno, NV 89557-0044. Provide URLs of web pages to which you have contributed, with clarification of your role in development. Review of applications will begin December 17. The University of Nevada is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age, creed, national origin, veteran status, physical or mental disability, and in accordance with University policy, sexual orientation, in any program or activity it operates. University of Nevada employs only United States citizens and aliens lawfully authorized to work in the United States. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 1 15:22:08 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <38458370.37C7EC46@tln.lib.mi.us> I want to apologize. I just realized that I didn't read Lynne's question closely enough and didn't differentiate between the Search Button and the My Netscape Button. I hope I can redeem myself by including the information on how to reset that button too. Follow the same method as described for the Search button and make this change to disable "My Netscape" To change the My Netscape button, add: config("toolbar.places.default_url",""); You can leave the URL blank or insert the "home page" URL so the users will just be redirected back to your home page - or whatever page you select - your preference! I hope this helps! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Our public library is running the Netscape 4.08 Standalone browser, with > WinSelect, on Win95/Pentium machines. We have a problem with the "My > Netscape" button in the latest version of the Standalone - it goes right > to the Netscape home page. > > Since these machines are for database access only, not Internet > generally, we need a way to get rid of that button, or disable it. I > have tried modifying the prefs.js file as directed by the "How to Change > the URL of the Netscape tool bar search button" article on the Sunsite > Berkeley page, modified for the "my Netscape", but I must not be writing > it correctly because it didn't work. I also tried disabling it with the > instructions for "How to kill the Netscape Shop Button" but that didn't > work either. I went through the Web4Lib archives for button disabling, > but the only msg I found had no answers posted, it was just the > question, like this one. > > So, how do I disable/delete/dispose of the "My Netscape" button? Can > anyone help? Pretty please? would appreciate any possible assistance. > > Lynne > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us Wed Dec 1 15:41:28 1999 From: lpuckett at billings.lib.mt.us (L. E. Puckett) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <384587F8.73FBE897@billings.lib.mt.us> Dear Mr. Mutch and Mr. Amen, Thank you VERY much for your kind assistance. I did NOT have the 'read only' function turned on, as the security software had not been installed yet & I didn't know 'read only' was required to make the fix work. I had been using Mr. Mutch's very informative files, and once 'read only' was engaged it worked fine for the Search button. I then put in Mr. Amen's nifty fix for the My Netscape button, which now goes ONLY to our databases! Hooray! It is still labeled My Netscape, but that's not a major deal. This is really slick! My only problem was paying attention to what I was typing - I left out a quotes mark the first time, and Netscape won't open if it's not typed exactly right. I can tell I need to work on my proofreading skills. Again, thank you very much. You both have saved my sysadmin & me some major headaches. Lynne -- L.E. Puckett Parmly Billings Library 510 North Broadway Billings, MT 59101 From glen.davies at cce.ac.nz Wed Dec 1 16:07:13 1999 From: glen.davies at cce.ac.nz (glen.davies@cce.ac.nz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:41 2005 Subject: certification Message-ID: Greetings Has anybody been through the Sysoft webmaster training/certification programme? http://www.sysoft.com/certification.htm Thoughts/comments? Anybody been through any other webmaster certification programmes? Thoughts/comments? I know the i-net+ certification will be available in January, was any body involved in the beta of this programme. Thanks Regards Glen ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Consultant Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen.davies@cce.ac.nz ************************************************ A man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth (Luke 12:15) ************************************************ From sloan at unb.ca Thu Dec 2 10:12:48 1999 From: sloan at unb.ca (Stephen Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: soundex Message-ID: A short time ago there was a message to the list that asked about Soundex technology. I have just found a description of how it works so I thought drop a line and fill out the information. A soundex parser does the following (at least from the documentation I have): 1. strips out non-alpha characters 2. lowercase is set to uppercase 3. captures the first letter for later use 4. removes all occurences of "W" and "H" 5. B F P V are given values of "1" 6. C G J K Q S X Z are given values of "2" 7. D T are given values of "3" 8. L gets a value of 4 9. M N are given values of "5" 10. R gets a value of 6 11. all vowels are removed 12. The first letter of the string (from step 3) is then concatenated with the first three numerals from the mapping process. A simple example: great and grate through step 10 great becomes 6EA3 through step 10 grate becomes 6A3E with the vowels removed and the first letter added, both terms have a soundex value of G63 and a search would therefore match. The only search engine that I know of that will do soundex searching is the LiveLink product from the OpenText corporation. That's not really an option anymore for most of us. Starting with version 8 of the LiveLink product, OpenText has been pursuing the large corporation Intranet market. The product is priced way beyond most libraries' ability to afford it. Stephen Sloan Systems Librarian UNB Libraries sloan@unb.ca (506) 453-4814 From jwfelts at uncg.edu Thu Dec 2 09:13:53 1999 From: jwfelts at uncg.edu (John W. Felts, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: new listserv: NCLIBS4DIST-L Message-ID: Please share this information with other individuals or groups as appropriate and excuse any cross-postings. Complete information follows. Contact John Felts (jwfelts@uncg.edu) if you have any questions. NCLIBS4DIST-L ELECTRONIC DISCUSSION FORUM PURPOSE The goal of this forum is to bring together those librarians, educators, webmasters/mistresses, administrators, and anyone who has a hand in providing library services to the distance education community. 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"ACK" will acknowledge your list contributions, "NOACK" will not. ---------------------- John W. Felts, Jr. Networked Information Services Librarian University of North Carolina Greensboro jwfelts@uncg.edu 336-334-4238 From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Dec 2 10:33:28 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] soundex References: Message-ID: <003501bf3cda$95863180$e84ae980@usask.ca> > The only search engine that I know of that will do soundex searching is > the LiveLink product from the OpenText corporation. That's not really an > option anymore for most of us. Starting with version 8 of the LiveLink > product, OpenText has been pursuing the large corporation Intranet market. > The product is priced way beyond most libraries' ability to afford it. I've just recently installed ht://Dig (www.htdig.org). Not only will it do soundex, but metaphone (which I assume is something akin to soundex), common word endings, and synonyms for search terms. Plus, it's free. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From susie at alcor.concordia.ca Thu Dec 2 12:41:31 1999 From: susie at alcor.concordia.ca (SUSIE BREIER) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: <003501bf3cda$95863180$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. TIA for any hints out there! Susie Breier Assistant Systems Librarian Concordia University Libraries 1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 Montreal, Quebec From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 2 12:42:40 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Search Engine Showdown stats Message-ID: Greg Notess has posted new stats on his Search Engine Showdown site, which shows Northern Light to have the largest database, with approximately 200 million pages. Details at: http://www.notess.com/search/stats/ Roy From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 2 12:55:04 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do not reply to me. Thanks, Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't found a solution to the following problem: At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue via Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using Netsitter under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students have found out how to make the floating communicator toolbar appear (i.e. the one that normally sits on the status bar), presumably via some combination of key strokes, and we cannot get stop them doing it, as we don't know the key combination that they are using. Please could somebody tell me firstly what combination brings up the communicator floating toolbar, and secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. Thanks in advance.... Katie _________________________________________ Katie Kinnear Assistant Systems Librarian Middlesex University Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk _________________________________________ From internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us Thu Dec 2 13:27:30 1999 From: internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us (Kevin Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Communicator floating toolbar (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3846BA12.5962AB3A@mcpl.lib.mo.us> Is it +V+W+F -- this works on Communiator 4.5 / Win95 from the browser window. -- Kevin Sullivan Internet Systems Manager Mid-Continent Public Library http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us Roy Tennant wrote: > > Posted on behalf of Katie Kinnear , please do not > reply to me. Thanks, > Roy > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > I have searched the list archives, and looked on the Netscape > support centre, and anywhere else I can think of, but I haven't > found a solution to the following problem: > > At Middlesex University we are running our library web catalogue via > Netscape Navigator (4.04) on diskless workstations, using Netsitter > under Windows 3.1. However, one or more of our students have found > out how to make the floating communicator toolbar appear (i.e. the > one that normally sits on the status bar), presumably via some > combination of key strokes, and we cannot get stop them doing it, as > we don't know the key combination that they are using. Please could > somebody tell me firstly what combination brings up the communicator > floating toolbar, and secondly, how we can get rid of it forever. > > Thanks in advance.... > > Katie > _________________________________________ > Katie Kinnear > Assistant Systems Librarian > Middlesex University > Bounds Green Rd, London N11 2NQ > Tel: +44 (0)181 362 6434 ; Fax: +44 (0)181 362 5163 > email: k.kinnear@mdx.ac.uk > _________________________________________ From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Thu Dec 2 13:40:14 1999 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, SUSIE BREIER wrote: > how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix > ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the > administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or > any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put > it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. Hi Susie. Do you or does anyone on your library staff have access to a Unix machine? What is your website running on? If you do have access you can clean up files with the tr command: tr '\015' '\012' < oldfile > newfile This will strip out the s. Or one could take that command and write a simple shell script that will execute through entire directories and do the same thing. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | 509-963-1081 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From avirr at lanminds.com Thu Dec 2 13:33:07 1999 From: avirr at lanminds.com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a really good point. Apparently, several robots depend on CR/LF although it's explicitly not required. So annoying! In any case, BBEdit has an option in the Save As dialog to save as a PC file, which will stick in both CR and LF. I'm not sure if it remembers this every time, which could be a hassle. Best of luck, Avi At 9:43 AM -0800 12/2/1999, SUSIE BREIER wrote: >I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting >our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide >search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my >robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this >is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot >accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save >as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did >not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. > >So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with >this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix >? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the >administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or >any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put >it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. > >TIA for any hints out there! > >Susie Breier >Assistant Systems Librarian >Concordia University Libraries >1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 >Montreal, Quebec ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From eric at openly.com Thu Dec 2 14:17:39 1999 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You don't mention what the server is. Many web servers have an option that defines "TEXT" actions which automatically replace line endings with . Eric At 9:43 AM -0800 12/2/99, SUSIE BREIER wrote: >I have been working with our university's network administrator on getting >our library site properly indexed in a newly installed university-wide >search engine (http://dig). Some of the folders that I disallowed in my >robots.txt file were nevertheless included in the index. Apparently this >is because the line endings are of the Mac OS variety , when the robot >accepts only the Unix variety . I used my editor's (BBEdit lite) "Save >as: Linebreaks: Unix" option, but according to the administrator this did >not do the trick and the line endings are now of the +. Variety. > >So, finally my question, to anyone out there who might have dealt with >this before: how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix >? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the >administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or >any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put >it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. > >TIA for any hints out there! > >Susie Breier >Assistant Systems Librarian >Concordia University Libraries >1400 de Maisonneuve W, LB 303-3 >Montreal, Quebec Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/ 21st Century Information Infrastructure From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Dec 2 14:37:51 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Disabling Netscape buttons References: <38455E4A.3F9B195E@billings.lib.mt.us> <3845641C.F0419184@tln.lib.mi.us> <384587F8.73FBE897@billings.lib.mt.us> Message-ID: <3846CA8F.87986347@tln.lib.mi.us> One other alternative that I forgot mention yesterday is that you have the option of getting rid of the "My Netscape" button and replacing it with the old "Guide" button. If you are so inclined, add the following to your prefs.js file: config("browser.chrome.useGuideButton", true); You'll still need to include this line to redirect the URL: config("toolbar.places.default_url",""); Good luck! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "L. E. Puckett" wrote: > Dear Mr. Mutch and Mr. Amen, > Thank you VERY much for your kind assistance. > I did NOT have the 'read only' function turned on, as the security > software had not been installed yet & I didn't know 'read only' was > required to make the fix work. > I had been using Mr. Mutch's very informative files, and once 'read > only' was engaged it worked fine for the Search button. I then put in > Mr. Amen's nifty fix for the My Netscape button, which now goes ONLY to > our databases! Hooray! It is still labeled My Netscape, but that's not a > major deal. > This is really slick! My only problem was paying attention to what I was > typing - I left out a quotes mark the first time, and Netscape won't > open if it's not typed exactly right. I can tell I need to work on my > proofreading skills. > Again, thank you very much. You both have saved my sysadmin & me some > major headaches. > Lynne > > -- > L.E. Puckett > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Dec 2 15:00:47 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: robots.txt file: Unix linebreaks References: Message-ID: <008501bf3cff$ecde9380$e84ae980@usask.ca> > how can I ensure that the line endings are (and remain) Unix > ? I have been sent a file with the correct line endings by the > administrator, but am afraid that if I save the file with BBedit again (or > any other Mac or windows wordprocessor for that matter) in order to put > it on our server, the linebreaks will revert back to MacOS. I was under the impression that most FTP programs would handle the linefeed conversions automagically when transfering text files. This assumes you're using FTP to move the file and not editing it directly on a (NFS or otherwise) mounted drive. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bandis at indiana.edu Thu Dec 2 15:44:22 1999 From: bandis at indiana.edu (Andis, Betty Jean) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Professional Staff Vacancy Message-ID: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA02308343@delaware.exchange.indiana.edu> > INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON LIBRARIES > PROFESSIONAL STAFF VACANCY > > Position Title: Library Web Administrator > > Rank: PA15 > Position Number: 010Y2M > Account Number: 10-474-11 > > DEPARTMENT OR BRANCH LIBRARY: Libraries > > DESCRIPTION OF POSITION: Develop and maintain the Indiana University > Bloomington Libraries Web site, serving as lead in the Web architecture; > oversee and implement redesign of current Web site utilizing > recommendations of usability and Web architecture consultants' reports; in > consultation with > the Associate Dean and Director of Collection Development, establishes > priorities for core collections and database content descriptions; monitor > and implement appropriate changes in Web technology and software in > cooperation with technical support staff; work with Associate Dean and > Director of Technical Services to integrate technical services work into > the Web presentation of library resources; head the Web Policy Committee > and the Web Working Team; coordinate development and implementation of a > usability plan for the IUB Libraries Web site; represent libraries in > appropriate University groups and committees; establish guidelines and > policies to regulate the Web site in concert with a Advisory Group; > coordinate training of staff and the use of Web development tools to > support a decentralized network of Web developers; carry out new projects > as appropriate. > > QUALIFICATIONS: Required: MLS/MIS or equivalent in experience and > education; demonstrated success in development and maintenance of a > complex > Web site; knowledge of Web architecture principles with understanding of > graphic design elements; project management/leadership skills; > collaborative/consensus building skills; sophisticated understanding of > the role of technology in the provision of information resources/services; > excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong organizational > skills; creativity; user-focus; problem-solving skills; UNIX, Advanced > HTML, CGI programming, Perl, and JavaScript. Preferred: Understanding of > academic > institutions and libraries; knowledge of Web accessibility/usability norms > and guidelines. Familiarity with content of academic electronic resources > databases. > > Please include a letter of application, a professional vita, and names, > addresses, and phone number of four references. > > APPLY TO: Yolanda Cooper-Birdine DATE LISTED: > December 7, 1999 > Libraries Human Resources > Main Library C-201 DATE > CLOSED: December 20, 1999 > 855-8196 > 5:00 p.m. > > From kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Thu Dec 2 17:40:33 1999 From: kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Kathy P. Wheeler) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:42 2005 Subject: Netscape question Message-ID: All of our public terminals have the following configurations: 1. Either Windows 95 or 98 2. Everybody's Menu 3. WinSelect 4. Netscape 4.08 (the stand-alone version) The problem is, on all of these computers, when you open Netscape it opens as a small box not as a full screen. I don't know why this happens and I don't know how to fix it. I'd really like to fix it since many of our students don't know that all they need to do to see the entire screen is to click on the middle box at the top of the Netscape screen. Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu Electronic Services Librarian University Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu From sjahmed at kfupm.edu.sa Sat Dec 4 02:53:41 1999 From: sjahmed at kfupm.edu.sa (SYED SAJJAD AHMED) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: Usng Host on-demand from Internet Explorer Message-ID: <000d01bf3e2c$b20ad240$0b00080a@kfupm.edu.sa> Dear Web4lib Members: We are using both Netscape Communicator and Internet Explorer browsers on our PCs in the library. Our Library system is on the IBM Server, and we could access this system through our library web site by using the Host 0n-demand utility available in the Netscape communicator. But, it is not possible to access the system using the Internet Explorer. There is a message saying "3270ap" class file not found/unable to load, cab file not found. We would appreciate receiving your kind help in this regard at the earliest. Thanks in anticipatiion, SYED SAJJAD AHMED Senior Cataloger & Webmaster Box 1910, King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals Dhahran - 31261, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia -------------------------------------------------------------- Phone : (9663) - 3008 ; Fax : (9663) - 3018 e-mail : sjahmed@kfupm.edu.sa Personal Home Page : http://www.bigfoot.com/~sjahmed From cchick at earthlink.net Fri Dec 3 10:34:35 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - December 1, 1999 Message-ID: <3847E30B.5B7AEF80@earthlink.net> LLRX.com (http://www.llrx.com) is the free Webzine providing current, comprehensive articles and resources for legal professionals and law librarians on research, information technology, digital legislation, breaking Web news, new Web links for researchers, and presentation/marketing issues since 1996. Editors: Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. 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Buy directly online at http://store.westgroup.com From ddraz at swbell.net Sat Dec 4 08:42:41 1999 From: ddraz at swbell.net (Dave Draz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: time out software Message-ID: <003601bf3e5d$6fdb8000$35723dd8@ddraz.swbell.net> All, We are interested in setting up software to eliminate the intensive time demand on our Reference Librarians. We need to have the patrons sign-in with their library card number and be restricted to one hour of use a day. We are looking at CyberLibrarian and Pharos. Has anyone had success with other products? Thank you, Linda From dennis at dati.com Sat Dec 4 09:03:02 1999 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: IE 5/NT installation problem References: <000e01bf3e14$29ce09a0$b7eb56ce@mcculley> Message-ID: <38491F16.34DC@dati.com> P. Michael McCulley wrote: > > In a similar vein, but desktop stand-alone at work, I'm having troubles > running the NT4.0 with the AOL 5.0 Client. The system had IE4.0 on it, and I > upgraded to IE5.0 (thinking that would be more robust for AOL!), and > downloaded and installed AOL 5.0. The TCP/IP LAN connection works fine to > connect to AOL, and all AOL function are there -- except there's NO Web > access inside the client --no search, no URLs work inside the search window, > etc. > > Stand-alone, both Communicator and IE 5.0 work fine --but not within the AOL > 5.0 client. The AOL help staff said, unfortunately, NT isn't a supported > platform, so they can't help. Our helpdesk also has no experience with AOL > clients so that's a washout for help :). > AOL does not 'support' NT, and they have no version which claims to be NT compatible. And the problem is generally there's no browser access to the web. One of my corporate clients has had ongoing discussions with AOL over several months. Their official policy is that they do not support NT. They mention that some customers have had 'luck' using AOL 3.0, the 16 bit version, but they still will not support it. -- Dennis Brantley - mailto:dennis@dati.com Data Access Technologies, Inc. http://www.dati.com Library Information Access Technology Internet/Remote Access - Thin Client Computing - CD Networking Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 From TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu Sat Dec 4 14:36:13 1999 From: TomaiuoloN at mail.ccsu.edu (Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library)) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: britannica site stats Message-ID: Greetings colleagues, This has probably been covered already, but perhaps Mr. Notess or Mr. Sullivan, or any of the host of experts can tell me what became of the "site Statistics" (via Alexa) that once accompanied "hits" from britannica.com's Rated Web Search? I thought that this was an excellent feature to point out to users who were interested in who "produced" the site and "how popular" it was. Any thoughts, anybody?? Thanks, Nick Tomaiuolo Central CT State Univ Library From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Sat Dec 4 17:38:23 1999 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:43 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] time out software Message-ID: Linda, We co-developed our own system with a local company (http://www.sri.bc.ca/) Patrons can book computers via the web, IVR telephone system or kiosk. Client software handles patron login, software selection and boot-off. Patrons can also pay fines, register for programs or apply for library cards through other components of the system. We have some financial interest in future sales of this system. If you're interested in trying it out, contact me and I'll get you a temporary card number. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Ellis Network Support Analyst Richmond Public Library Richmond, British Columbia (604) 231-6410 ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Draz [mailto:ddraz@swbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 5:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] time out software > > > All, > We are interested in setting up software to eliminate the > intensive time > demand on our Reference Librarians. We need to have the > patrons sign-in > with their library card number and be restricted to one hour > of use a day. > We are looking at CyberLibrarian and Pharos. Has anyone had > success with > other products? Thank you, Linda > From danny at calafia.com Mon Dec 6 06:30:21 1999 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] britannica site stats Message-ID: > This has probably been covered already, but perhaps Mr. Notess or Mr. > Sullivan, or any of the host of experts can tell me what became of the "site > Statistics" (via Alexa) that once accompanied "hits" from britannica.com's > Rated Web Search? I thought that this was an excellent feature to point out > to users who were interested in who "produced" the site and "how popular" it > was. I don't know on britannica's end, but if you liked that information, you can still get it by installing the small Alexa tool for IE4/5. Only takes a few seconds -- longer if you want it for Netscape. Details at http://www.alexa.com cheers, danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From kiehl at hawaii.edu Mon Dec 6 09:51:23 1999 From: kiehl at hawaii.edu (Lois Kiehl) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Peter's Digital Reference Shelf Message-ID: The reference databases listed below are reviewed in the November and December issues of "Peter's Digital Reference Shelf", a monthly review service published by the Gale Group. The in-depth reviews are illustrated with dozens of screenshots and provide a multi-linked virtual walk-through of the databases. They are written by Peter Jacso, the 1998 recipient of the Louis Shores - Oryx Press Award of the Reference and User Services Association for his discerning database reviews. It is available free of charge to all users at http://www.galegroup.com/reference/reference.htm This month Peter reviews three online book catalogs: Amazon Barnes & Noble Borders See the Archives for databases reviewed in November: Encarta Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia Deluxe 2000 (CD-ROM) Compton's Encyclopedia 2000 (CD-ROM) Please pardon any duplicate postings. From bcarpent at owls.lib.wi.us Mon Dec 6 11:39:21 1999 From: bcarpent at owls.lib.wi.us (Beth Carpenter) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: employment opportunity Message-ID: <384BE6B9.AFB8C621@owls.lib.wi.us> Job Opening - Microcomputer Librarian Outagamie Waupaca Library System MICROCOMPUTER LIBRARIAN to provide telephone and on-site support to member library staff in the use of windows-based hardware and software. Other duties include consulting with member libraries about computer projects, providing on-site and computer lab training, assisting with development of local electronic resources, and assisting with special projects. Master's degree in library science, or the equivalent in education and experience, required. Knowledge of windows-based hardware and software and the ability to instruct others effectively in the use of computers also required. Salary Range: $28,080 - $39,520. Excellent benefit package, including four weeks' vacation, state retirement and health. Send resume and cover letter to Beth Carpenter, Electronic Resources Manager, OWLS, 225 N. Oneida St., Appleton, WI 54911. Applications reviewed beginning January 3, 2000, position open until filled. ==================== Position Description Title: Microcomputer Librarian Classification: Full Time Grade: Professional I General Description The Microcomputer Librarian provides support to the staff of OWLS member libraries in the use of microcomputer hardware and software. This position also provides appropriate training to staff of member libraries and assists with special projects for OWLSnet libraries. The Microcomputer Librarian is supervised by the Electronic Resources Manager and is responsible for regularly reporting to the Electronic Resources Manager. Specific Duties A. Provides extensive telephone (help-desk) and on-site support to staff of member libraries in the effective use of windows-based microcomputer software. ? Supports member library staff use of windows operating system software. ? Supports member library staff use of software required to access services provided by OWLSnet, e.g., web browsing, telnet, ftp, email, anti-virus, or security software. ? Supports member library staff use of selected application software (e.g., MS Office), as feasible. ? Maintains a database of member library hardware and software configurations. B. Provides consultation and assistance to member libraries in implementing windows-based microcomputer hardware and software. ? Assists member library staff with selecting, installing, and configuring microcomputers and peripheral equipment, e.g., printers, monitors. ? Assists member library staff with selecting, installing, and configuring microcomputer operating system and application software. ? Assists member libraries with development of windows peer-to-peer networks and trains staff to use and maintain these networks. ? Assists member library staff with basic hardware and peripheral troubleshooting and recommends referral to vendors as appropriate. C. Provides training or other assistance to staff of OWLS or OWLSnet member libraries as assigned by the Electronic Resources Manager. ? Provides computer lab or on-site training to library staff in the use of various software programs. ? Provides computer lab or on-site training to library staff on other topics as needed, e.g., computer basics, using the Internet. ? Assists member libraries with development of local electronic resources, as feasible. ? Assists the Computer Network Manager with special projects for OWLSnet member libraries. D. Participates in system activities as a member of OWLS professional staff. ? Meets with other members of the professional staff to discuss, assess, and integrate system services effectively. ? Participates with other OWLS staff in developing and maintaining web-based resources and services provided by OWLS. ? Participates regularly in activities that promote professional development. ? Performs other tasks as assigned or required. Desirable Background ? Experience providing reference or public services in a public library setting. ? Knowledge of electronic information resources including the Internet and databases or other tools available from commercial vendors. ? Knowledge of WWW design principles, including basic HTML, and practical experience maintaining web sites. Requirements ? A master's degree in library science or the equivalent in education and experience. ? Knowledge of windows-based microcomputer hardware and software, including DOS, Windows 95/98, Microsoft office, web browsing, email, networking procedures, and basic troubleshooting. ? Ability to quickly learn and establish competence in using new computer software. ? Ability to instruct others in the effective use of computers, software, and electronic information resources. ? Ability to communicate effectively orally and in writing. ? Must have valid Wisconsin driver's license, car, and be willing to travel to member libraries. ? Must be able to lift and carry computer equipment and, on occasion, work in awkward positions and circumstances. ? Ability to sustain prolonged visual concentration and keyboarding activity. ==================== For additional information about OWLS and OWLSnet, see our web site at: http://www.owls.lib.wi.us -- Beth Carpenter (920)832-6368 Electronic Resources Manager (920)832-6422 FAX Outagamie Waupaca Library System bcarpent@owls.lib.wi.us Appleton, WI 54911 http://www.owls.lib.wi.us From beden at ccmail.nevada.edu Mon Dec 6 11:55:29 1999 From: beden at ccmail.nevada.edu (Brad Eden) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Information on conference needed Message-ID: <8825683F.005D752C.00@ccmail.nevada.edu> I saw an announcement in the last two months, on a social sciences/statistics/data conference that was being held in Chicago in June 2000. I deleted it, and need another copy. Can anyone send me this announcement, or indicate a homepage where I can find out this information? Thanks. Please reply only to me, not the list. Dr. Brad Eden beden@ccmail.nevada.edu From terry.kuny at xist.com Mon Dec 6 12:22:11 1999 From: terry.kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [FYI] LIBJOBS mailing list info Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991206121921.00bbfc30@exchange1.nlc-bnc.ca> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LIBJOBS An employment service list for library professionals ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ URL: http://www.ifla.org/II/lists/libjobs.htm Since 1995, LIBJOBS has been the primary career opportunities mailing list for LIS professionals. About 150-200 postings are sent each month. LIBJOBS is a moderated list and subscribers receive only posted job opportunities. There are no charges for advertising or subscribing to this list. LIBJOBS is a service offering of the International Federation of Library Associations. Membership information can be found at: URL: www.ifla.org AUDIENCE -------- The audience for this list is LIS professionals seeking employment. We encourage individuals, personnel officers, and other organizations from around the world to post job listings, employment opportunities, job sharing program information, or similar types of LIS career information. Posters are asked to include complete contact information for the posting in the body of the message. Posters of employment ads are not required to subscribe to the list in order to submit an advertisement. Ads can be sent to: libjobs@infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca The moderators ask that positions deemed to be programming or computer science-related please not be submitted to this list. The primary user group of this list are LIS professionals. International postings are encouraged. ADMINISTRATION -------------- LIBJOBS is hosted at the National Library of Canada and managed by IFLANET. Anyone may send messages to the list, however LIBJOBS is a moderated list: resumes, misdirected messages, errors, advertising or other "spam" will not be forwarded to subscribers. To contact the IFLANET Administration, please send a message to: IFLANET@ifla.org ARCHIVE ------- The LIBJOBS postings archive (August 1995 to the present) is updated automatically and accessible at: URL: http://infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca/cgi-bin/ifla-lwgate.pl/LIBJOBS/archives/ BASIC COMMANDS -------------- TO SUBSCRIBE TO LIBJOBS AND RECEIVE JOB POSTINGS: Send the message "subscribe LIBJOBS your name" to listserv@infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM LIBJOBS: Send the message "SIGNOFF LIBJOBS" to listserv@infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca *** EMPLOYERS ONLY *** TO CONTRIBUTE EMPLOYMENT ADS TO THE LIST: Send your job posting to: libjobs@infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca TO RECEIVE A LIST OF COMMANDS: Send the message "help" to listserv@infoserv.nlc-bnc.ca From msauers at bcr.org Mon Dec 6 12:37:24 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: IE 5.5 Beta available Message-ID: Microsoft has released IE 5.5 Beta. It has print preview. Download it @ http://www.download.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.dealpilot.com/?partner=1307 Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From gpeterson at hclib.org Mon Dec 6 12:48:48 1999 From: gpeterson at hclib.org (peterson, glenn) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Design for access to Electronic Databases Message-ID: <400D45856BCBD21181C60008C733F5950BC899@EXCHANGE> Hennepin County Library recently began offering a new feature for access to electronic databases we are calling "My Reference Tools". >From approx. 60 databases currently offered, patrons can select those titles they use most frequently for display on their personal page. A pop-up menu at the bottom of the page allows subject access to the complete collection of titles. Remote users have the option to have their page appear automatically when they click on Reference Tools (uses cookies) or bookmark their page. Patrons at library, or other shared, workstations can login to their page using their name and barcode number. You can see how we set this up at: http://www.hennepin.lib.mn.us/pub/search/reference.cfm Click on "Personalize this Page". Cold Fusion by Allaire is the supporting software for this application. Suggestions for improvements are welcomed! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hennepin County Library Glenn Peterson gpeterson@hclib.org Internet Librarian http://www.hennepin.lib.mn.us 12601 Ridgedale Drive Voice: 612-847-8659 Minnetonka, MN 55305 Fax: 612-847-8600 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----------- From: "Heather Moorcroft" To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: Design for access to Electronic Databases Hi all I am presently re-designing our webpages for accessing Electronic Resources, mainly Databases. I have been looking around at other library webpages for ideas on how best to do it. It seems that the most common access is through an alphabetical listing and often through subject access as well. Naturally I want something that allows maximum access and least effort in upkeep! Any ideas, or examples of sites that are well organised would be most welcome. I had a look at the Web4Lib archives and found a few postings there, but would like more. Thanking you in advance Heather From align at montana.edu Mon Dec 6 15:28:42 1999 From: align at montana.edu (Greg Notess) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] britannica site stats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991206132842.008a2c30@153.90.2.2> As Danny pointed out, the information is still available from the Alexa client, but apparently Britannica no longer includes that information in its records for its Internet directory ("World's Best Sites") section. If you are teaching using a recent version of Netscape, that information is also available even without downloading the Alexa client. Just click on the What's Related button to the right of the URL and then on Site Info. The full site information is not available for all sites, but for many it includes owner, date established, popularity, and more. All of that information is drawn from Alexa's database. To get the same information with IE5, it looks like you have to load the full Alexa add-on. Related links information is available under the IE5 Tools menu and Related links, but the owner, date established, and popularity measures are not. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Greg R. Notess, Reference Librarian 406-994-6563 + Montana State University-Bozeman Library + Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 align@montana.edu + Search Engine Showdown + Internet columnist for Online and EContent + Author of "Government Information on the Internet" + + + + + + At 11:43 AM 12/4/99 -0800, Tomaiuolo, Nicholas (Library) wrote: >Greetings colleagues, >This has probably been covered already, but perhaps Mr. Notess or Mr. >Sullivan, or any of the host of experts can tell me what became of the "site >Statistics" (via Alexa) that once accompanied "hits" from britannica.com's >Rated Web Search? I thought that this was an excellent feature to point out >to users who were interested in who "produced" the site and "how popular" it >was. >Any thoughts, anybody?? From holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us Mon Dec 6 15:55:36 1999 From: holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us (Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: pif files Message-ID: <384C22C8.225C1B3F@lakeland.lib.mi.us> I was successfully running .pif files off our homepage, pointing to a batch file to run our cdrom titles, but I now have a problem. Our webster updated our page and now we get the box that asks to Open file or save to disk and do you want to be always asked before openning. Any ideas as to what happened? Our Web-ster just copied over the old page and didn't make a copy, so I don't have anything to go back to. Lin "in the Dark" Light -- Lin Light Head of Technical Services/Automation Herrick District Library 300 S. River Ave. Holland, MI 49423 llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us Voice-616.355.3727 Fax-616.355.1426 From lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu Mon Dec 6 18:23:59 1999 From: lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Mudge-Bowker Award nominations -- Last Call Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991206180626.00b96b00@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> This notice has been cross-posted. Please excuse duplicate postings. Last chance to nominate a colleague for this important award! The Isadore Gilbert Mudge -- R. R. Bowker Award Committee of the Reference & User Services Association is seeking nominations for this year's award. The award, established in 1958, consists of a cash award of $1,500 and a citation to an individual "who has made a distinguished contribution to reference librarianship. This contribution may include an imaginative and constructive program in a particular library, authorship of a significant book or articles in the reference field, creative and inspirational teaching, active participation in professional associations devoted to reference services, or in other noteworthy activities which stimulate reference librarians to more distinguished performance." Last year's winner was Virginia Massey-Burzio, head of the resources services department at Johns Hopkins University and the creator of the Brandeis model of tiered reference service. The deadline for receipt of nominations is December 15, 1999. The award is presented at the annual ALA conference next summer in Chicago. Please send nominations and supporting documentation to: Louise S. Sherby Chief Librarian and Chair, Mudge Award Committee Hunter College Library 695 Park Avenue New York, NY 10021 Thanks for your help in nominating qualified individuals for this important award! ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Associate Dean and Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Dec 6 20:09:17 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Historian user sessions? Message-ID: <027e01bf404f$afc8cdf0$99f2afc6@sals.edu> Can anyone with experience with the software package known as Historian comment on the ability of this software package to distinguish and count user sessions at a public computer? Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com From skenned1 at tampabay.rr.com Mon Dec 6 21:29:31 1999 From: skenned1 at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 5.5 Beta available References: Message-ID: <005f01bf405a$e4a1b360$85cf5c18@tampabay.rr.com> Download it @ > http://www.download.com > At your own risk! Shirl (still reeling over what Window 98 SE update did to my machine...) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers > The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.dealpilot.com/?partner=1307 > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From danforth at tiac.net Tue Dec 7 08:11:31 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Netscape 4.08 question Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19991207081131.008409a0@sunspot.tiac.net> Is it possible to have both Communicator 4.6 and the stand alone Netscape 4.08 running on the same machine? I was thinking of running the stand alone most of the time, but pulling up Communicator when I needed its features. I still have Netscape Navigator 3 installed on my system. Any comments? Suggestions? Isabel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian danforth@tiac.net Wethersfield Public Library http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Dec 7 08:56:11 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: LibraryLand Index update Message-ID: <003b01bf40ba$d1a4dac0$0d9882d1@rcls.org> The LibraryLand Index was updated this morning; no new resource sites were added to the Index for this reindexing, but we do now have our own domain name: http://www.librarylandindex.org/ (which still takes you to the Berkeley SunSite). ...and we know a lot more about html redirects vs. web server redirects vs. mapping domains from one DNS server to a different host... Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From morganj at iupui.edu Tue Dec 7 09:45:45 1999 From: morganj at iupui.edu (morganj@iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: No advertisement search engine sites Message-ID: I was reading the report of the first Search Engine conference, at http://websearch.about.com/internet/websearch/library/blses99.htm and saw in the Search Engines Speak panel that one company talked about carefully separating its commercial operation from its indexing. However successful they might be, I began to think that libraries would benefit from a Yahoo-like search service that wasn't powered by commercials, so that users searching for travel information could see a list of services without a blinking ad for one of them. Encyclopedia Brittanica is apparently going this route, with an educational version that has no advertising as well as a commercial-supported free version. Are there major services comparable to Yahoo, Alta Vista, etc. that pursue either a dual or a no-commercial policy? Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu From dekerivers at earthlink.net Tue Dec 7 10:06:18 1999 From: dekerivers at earthlink.net (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] unsubscribing Message-ID: <01BF4092.5366C470.dekerivers@earthlink.net> I would like to nominate Ms Green and the folks at Mt Carmel for the Disclaimer Hall of Fame :-) PHG On Friday, December 03, 1999 12:49 PM, Green, Lori [SMTP:lgreen@mchs.com] wrote: > My apologies for posting to the list, but I have been trying for the last > week to unsubscribe -- to no avail. Can any one help? Thank you, Lori > > Lori E. Green > Mount Carmel, Library Services > 793 W. State Street > Columbus, Ohio 43222 > "This electronic message transmission contains confidential or privileged > information from the Mount Carmel Health System. The information is > intended for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not > the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution > or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have > received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us immediately > by telephone (614-234-8700) or by electronic mail (exchange@mchs.com) > immediately." > "This is a personal message. The views expressed in this message are solely > those of the sender, and are not to be attributed to the owner of the > sender's domain, the sender's employer or any other person. Any > reproduction or distribution of this message without this disclaimer is > prohibited." > > From zalbenrl at alverno.edu Tue Dec 7 10:16:02 1999 From: zalbenrl at alverno.edu (Robin L. Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Unordered Lists (UL) Message-ID: <384D24B2.DC8F1C09@mail.alverno.edu> I thought this was covered before, but I searched the archives. How can I replace the bullets and other shapes in a UL with gifs? I'd just like to spice up the lists a little bit. Thanks, Robin -- ******************************************************** Robin Zalben Reference/Automation Librarian Alverno College Library Milwaukee, Wisconsin From calumet at mindspring.com Tue Dec 7 11:49:45 1999 From: calumet at mindspring.com (Tara Calishain) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991207114924.00b4e2e0@pop.mindspring.com> >Encyclopedia Brittanica is apparently going this route, with an >educational version that has no advertising as well as a >commercial-supported free version. Are there major >services comparable to Yahoo, Alta Vista, etc. that pursue either a dual >or a no-commercial policy? I don't see any ads on dmoz: http://www.dmoz.org/ Tara Finding you great Internet research resources-- free weekly newsletter! http://www.researchbuzz.com From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 7 11:51:46 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE 5.5 Beta available In-Reply-To: <005f01bf405a$e4a1b360$85cf5c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991207095110.00b8e100@mail.adaptive.net> At 08:31 AM 12/7/99 -0800, Shirl Kennedy wrote: >Download it @ > > http://www.download.com > > >At your own risk! I've had no problems with IE5.5. Doesn't prove that no one could possibly have such, as it is a beta, but it also isn't any cause for panic. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us Tue Dec 7 12:01:30 1999 From: internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us (Kevin Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 4.08 question References: <3.0.4.32.19991207081131.008409a0@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: <384D3D6A.48D24A12@mcpl.lib.mo.us> I haven't had any problems running a similar setup: Communicator 4.5, Navigator 4.04 (stand-alone, still in use for the public), 3.04, 2.02 and several other browsers from different vendors. My only suggestion is to clearly install them into unique directories. -- Kevin Sullivan Internet Systems Manager Mid-Continent Public Library http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us mailto:web@mcpl.lib.mo.us Isabel Danforth wrote: > > Is it possible to have both Communicator 4.6 and the stand alone Netscape > 4.08 running on the same machine? I was thinking of running the stand > alone most of the time, but pulling up Communicator when I needed its > features. > > I still have Netscape Navigator 3 installed on my system. > > Any comments? Suggestions? > > Isabel > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian > danforth@tiac.net > Wethersfield Public Library > http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org > Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team > http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fox at rowland.org Tue Dec 7 11:59:55 1999 From: fox at rowland.org (Chiara Fox) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) In-Reply-To: <003b01bf40ba$d1a4dac0$0d9882d1@rcls.org> References: <003b01bf40ba$d1a4dac0$0d9882d1@rcls.org> Message-ID: Hello Jerry and the rest of the List- I am in the process of updating our Web site and have redone the structure of the files on the server. The domain name is the same, but many pages have been moved, renamed or removed. I realized that this is going to cause broken links, and I have tried to outline steps to help minimize this (such as emailing Websites that link to us with the updated URL, updating our 404 error page, etc.). I have created html redirects for our most popular pages, but I'm still not sure that this is the best solution. We use WebSTAR on a Mac server and I know that I have a few options. I could create scripts that will redirect a request, use aliases to the new file, or use the old html redirects. Does anyone know if there are other options for WebSTAR? Does anyone have any input or opinions as to the best method I should use? I want to insure that users get to the new page, but I want them to also realize that the URL has changed. Thanks for your help! -Chiara Fox >The LibraryLand Index was updated this morning; no new resource >sites were added to the Index for this reindexing, but we do now >have our own domain name: http://www.librarylandindex.org/ (which >still takes you to the Berkeley SunSite) ...and we know a lot more >about html redirects vs. web server redirects vs. mapping domains >from one DNS server to a different host... >Jerry Kuntz >Ramapo Catskill Library System >jkuntz@rcls.org _____ Technical Services Librarian The Rowland Institute for Science Cambridge, Massachusetts 617.497.4616 617.497.4627 (fax) http://www.rowland.org/ From dekerivers at earthlink.net Tue Dec 7 12:03:13 1999 From: dekerivers at earthlink.net (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 4.08 question Message-ID: <01BF40A2.A8085060.dekerivers@earthlink.net> We run Twaynes Author Series which insists on installing its own copy of Navigator into its own directory. It seems to coexist quite nicely with Communicator on our staff machines. I'm guessing as long as you install into two different directories it should work fine. Only issue I can think of is setting the one you want as the default (that is the program launched when you click on a url in an email message etc.) PHG On Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:41 AM, Isabel Danforth [SMTP:danforth@tiac.net] wrote: > Is it possible to have both Communicator 4.6 and the stand alone Netscape > 4.08 running on the same machine? I was thinking of running the stand > alone most of the time, but pulling up Communicator when I needed its > features. > > I still have Netscape Navigator 3 installed on my system. > > Any comments? Suggestions? > > Isabel > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian > danforth@tiac.net > Wethersfield Public Library > http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org > Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team > http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Tue Dec 7 12:11:40 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Unordered Lists (UL) References: <384D24B2.DC8F1C09@mail.alverno.edu> Message-ID: <00cc01bf40d6$2104b980$e84ae980@usask.ca> > How can I replace the bullets and other shapes in a UL with gifs? > I'd just like to spice up the lists a little bit. Using the UL and LI you can't. UL has a TYPE atribute for changing the style of bullet (disc, square, circle) but nothing like a SRC attribute for images. You can accomplish the same thing with a 2 column table, placing the images in the first column and the text in the second (you don't strictly need the table, but the text won't wrap nicely otherwise). SOmething liek this:
Point #1
Point #2
- Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Dec 7 12:20:02 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Unordered Lists (UL) References: <384D24B2.DC8F1C09@mail.alverno.edu> Message-ID: <021501bf40d7$5fb66b00$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > I thought this was covered before, but I searched the archives. > > How can I replace the bullets and other shapes in a UL with gifs? > I'd just like to spice up the lists a little bit. > I imagine there are a number of responses being drafted as I write this, but... The most honest way to do this is to suggest the bullet image in a stylesheet and just tag the list as you would normally do: Foo
  • A list item
  • Another list item
  • Still another list item
There *is* one prominent browser whose current version doesn't support this CSS property. But at least it displays your UL like a UL. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Tue Dec 7 12:32:49 1999 From: lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK (Pam Davies) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199912071736.RAA02678@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> > Does anyone have any input or opinions as to the best method I should use? > I want to insure that users get to the new page, but I want them to also > realize that the URL has changed. I used to believe in redirects everywhere, but now favour a good helpful 404-message (see http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/x ) which will, one hopes, get people to update their bookmarks! It also means that any linkchecking software will find and report the dead links. Despite emails to sites known to have links to us, we still get an alarming number of "failed requests" for the "CURL" pages which moved from our site in 1997 and the "library gateway" we dismantled and replaced in summer 1998, as well as people following links to the URLs we changed this summer. Pam - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pam Davies, Senior Assistant Librarian, IPR Officer Edward Boyle Library, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK p.m.davies@leeds.ac.uk tel: 0113 233 5543 fax: 0113 233 5539 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Dec 7 12:38:36 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) References: Message-ID: <022b01bf40d9$e86187d0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > ...but many pages have been moved, renamed or removed. I realized that > this is going to cause broken links, and I have tried to outline > steps to help minimize this (such as emailing Websites that link to > us with the updated URL, updating our 404 error page, etc.). > > I have created html redirects for our most popular pages, but I'm > still not sure that this is the best solution. We use WebSTAR on a > Mac server and I know that I have a few options. I could create > scripts that will redirect a request, use aliases to the new file, or > use the old html redirects. Does anyone know if there are other > options for WebSTAR? > (IMO, of course..) You'll want to accomplish a couple different things in a couple different time frames. The first is to let human web surfers know that the page has changed; I'd recommend putting an HTML file at old-file.html that says "Page has moved, here's the new location, update your links/bookmarks." Optionally throw in a meta refresh comment that kicks in after, say, 15 seconds. Since this is a real, available HTML file, search engines will index it as such. After a while (maybe 6 months?), you'll want to move on to letting the web crawlers know your page has moved. I don't know WebSTAR's gory details, but what you want the server to do at that point is to send out a Status 301 (Moved Permanently) header with a Location header pointing to the new location. That should get the crawlers to change their links. If you give this another six months or so, you get a sense of the consequences of poorly considered site reorganization. I would not, at any point, put up a page that immediately used a meta refresh or a javascript redirect without giving the user time to figure out what was going on or providing an Message-ID: http://www.latimes.com/business/updates/lat_cuttingedge991206.htm This is a service that lets you upload your bookmarks onto a site, which formats them into a "personal search engine". It is free to sign up, although you do have to leave at least a zip code and an e-mail address. . .. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From avirr at LanMinds.Com Tue Dec 7 13:30:09 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:09 AM -0800 12/7/1999, Chiara Fox wrote: >Hello Jerry and the rest of the List- > >I am in the process of updating our Web site and have redone the >structure of the files on the server. The domain name is the same, >but many pages have been moved, renamed or removed. I realized that >this is going to cause broken links, and I have tried to outline >steps to help minimize this (such as emailing Websites that link to >us with the updated URL, updating our 404 error page, etc.). > >I have created html redirects for our most popular pages, but I'm >still not sure that this is the best solution. We use WebSTAR on a >Mac server and I know that I have a few options. I could create >scripts that will redirect a request, use aliases to the new file, >or use the old html redirects. Does anyone know if there are other >options for WebSTAR? I'm a WebSTAR expert (I wrote the manual) and you have listed the options correctly. How you go next depends on how much you want to preserve the old structure. Aliases will do this automatically, and make everything behave as if it's all still in the same place, but they're easily broken, and they don't encourage bookmark and link changes. Redirect files (using the Make Redirect command) will work for 90% of the browsers and robots, but they also don't encourage changes. HTML Meta Refresh redirects with a pause are annoying enough that people will probably change their links. Most browsers will handle them, but a lot of search indexing robots will index the redirect file itself. Hope that helps, Avi ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Dec 7 13:58:48 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape 4.08 question In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19991207081131.008409a0@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: Isabel, This might just be a unique situation but I've found that if I install both on the same machine, even into unique directories, that the second installed will use the preferences files found in the Users directory of the first. So, if you make changes to prefs.js in one, it appears in the other. The way I found to fix this it to use the User Profile Manager to create a new Default in the installation location of the second installed. Once you do this, the second installed will use this new Default directory to pull its preferences. Good Luck! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Isabel Danforth wrote: > Is it possible to have both Communicator 4.6 and the stand alone Netscape > 4.08 running on the same machine? I was thinking of running the stand > alone most of the time, but pulling up Communicator when I needed its > features. > > I still have Netscape Navigator 3 installed on my system. > > Any comments? Suggestions? > > Isabel > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian > danforth@tiac.net > Wethersfield Public Library > http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org > Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team > http://gnacademy.tzo.org/lost/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From pyxia at nwu.edu Tue Dec 7 14:05:36 1999 From: pyxia at nwu.edu (pyxia@nwu.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:44 2005 Subject: Northwestern University Library: Software Engineer position Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991207130503.00c3db50@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991207/e087a451/attachment.htm From Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz Tue Dec 7 16:38:12 1999 From: Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz (Sutherland, Paul) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) Message-ID: <4123AAB729E3D111A9180000F81EACF902FBC6AF@arwen.ccc.govt.nz> A good idea to add to a redirect as well > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Dowling [SMTP:tdowling@ohiolink.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Page redirects (was LibraryLand Index update) > > > > ...but many pages have been moved, renamed or removed. I realized that > > this is going to cause broken links, and I have tried to outline > > steps to help minimize this (such as emailing Websites that link to > > us with the updated URL, updating our 404 error page, etc.). > > > > I have created html redirects for our most popular pages, but I'm > > still not sure that this is the best solution. We use WebSTAR on a > > Mac server and I know that I have a few options. I could create > > scripts that will redirect a request, use aliases to the new file, or > > use the old html redirects. Does anyone know if there are other > > options for WebSTAR? > > > > > (IMO, of course..) You'll want to accomplish a couple different things in > a couple different time frames. The first is to let human web surfers > know that the page has changed; I'd recommend putting an HTML file at > old-file.html that says "Page has moved, here's the new location, update > your links/bookmarks." Optionally throw in a meta refresh comment that > kicks in after, say, 15 seconds. Since this is a real, available HTML > file, search engines will index it as such. > > After a while (maybe 6 months?), you'll want to move on to letting the web > crawlers know your page has moved. I don't know WebSTAR's gory details, > but what you want the server to do at that point is to send out a Status > 301 (Moved Permanently) header with a Location header pointing to the new > location. That should get the crawlers to change their links. If you > give this another six months or so, you get a sense of the consequences of > poorly considered site reorganization. > > I would not, at any point, put up a page that immediately used a meta > refresh or a javascript redirect without giving the user time to figure > out what was going on or providing an location. This doesn't alert the user to the change and may not provide > search engines any link they can follow. > > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > From suekamm at class.org Tue Dec 7 16:40:47 1999 From: suekamm at class.org (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Unordered Lists (UL) References: <00cc01bf40d6$2104b980$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: <384D7EDE.18BFF7C7@class.org> Darryl Friesen wrote: > > How can I replace the bullets and other shapes in a UL with gifs? > > I'd just like to spice up the lists a little bit. > > Using the UL and LI you can't. UL has a TYPE atribute for changing the > style of bullet (disc, square, circle) but nothing like a SRC attribute for > images. > > You can accomplish the same thing with a 2 column table, placing the images > in the first column and the text in the second (you don't strictly need the > table, but the text won't wrap nicely otherwise). SOmething liek this: > > > > > > > > >
Point #1
Point #2
> Another note: If you can use Word and save your document in HTML, design the page as a Word document. Create the table and put your .gif bullets in the left column, then select the table and have Word automatically adjust the size of your columns and rows. Save the document in HTML, and voila! Your .gif bullets will take up much less space. Alternatively, set your column width a bit wider than the .gif object. -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm email: suekamm@class.org Dogs have masters. Cats have staff. --Sneaky Pie Brown, co-author of WISH YOU WERE HERE From listbot at mccmedia.com Tue Dec 7 17:52:13 1999 From: listbot at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991207145147.026db5a0@mail.mccmedia.com> At 08:45 AM 12/7/99 -0800, morganj@iupui.edu wrote: >I was reading the report of the first Search Engine conference, at >http://websearch.about.com/internet/websearch/library/blses99.htm >and saw in the Search Engines Speak panel that one company talked about >carefully separating its commercial operation from its indexing. However >successful they might be, I began to think that libraries would benefit >from a Yahoo-like search service that wasn't powered by commercials... The revenue for banner ads has dropped so low that I doubt we'll see many more new ones coming along that are advertising-based. We're building search services and still working on our business model, but we're hardly even considering banner advertising -- either as a way to make money or as a way to bring people to our site(s). It's expensive to set up any sort of large searchable archive, so when there aren't ads, you can usually expect to pay for at least part of the service or have it sponsored in some way by an organization that has a vested interest in the subject... which begs the question of objectivity, of course. We certainly found, in talking to quite a few special librarians in the Bay Area recently, that there's plenty of suspicion about Web-based sources regarding their completeness and objectivity. As long as I'm posting, I'll also mention that we have added Commerce Business Daily to invisible.net and the U.S. copyright database will be available any hour or day now. All of this is truly free for the time being; we're doing these database partly because we think people will use them, but also just to develop the team and skills to be able quickly to convert big databases to XML and its associated benefits. Nick From madin at academicinfo.net Tue Dec 7 20:27:20 1999 From: madin at academicinfo.net (Mike Madin) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites Message-ID: <01BF40D8.5707B620.madin@academicinfo.net> Academic Info may not be "comparable to Yahoo, Alta Vista, etc." but it is a subject directory that does not accept any advertising but instead relies on viewer donations to survive. http://www.academicinfo.net/ One of the new group of Seattle based companies fighting [excuse the post-WTO pun] corporate/commercial greed. No billionaires here!! Mike Madin Academic Info Seattle -----Original Message----- From: Mike Madin [SMTP:madin@u.washington.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:24 AM To: Mike Subject: Fw: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:47 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites > I was reading the report of the first Search Engine conference, at > http://websearch.about.com/internet/websearch/library/blses99.htm > and saw in the Search Engines Speak panel that one company talked about > carefully separating its commercial operation from its indexing. However > successful they might be, I began to think that libraries would benefit > from a Yahoo-like search service that wasn't powered by commercials, so > that users searching for travel information could see a list of services > without a blinking ad for one of them. > > Encyclopedia Brittanica is apparently going this route, with an > educational version that has no advertising as well as a > commercial-supported free version. Are there major > services comparable to Yahoo, Alta Vista, etc. that pursue either a dual > or a no-commercial policy? > > Jim Morgan > morganj@iupui.edu > > From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Thu Dec 9 05:20:35 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: <384F8273.CF5FC216@qglibrary.org.il> I am programming a web based annotated database of internet sites for the use of our librarians. On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest library in the world with all the books on the floor". Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? Thanks -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From skenned1 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Dec 9 07:48:32 1999 From: skenned1 at tampabay.rr.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "books on the floor" metaphore References: <384F8273.CF5FC216@qglibrary.org.il> Message-ID: <003801bf4243$b3b6b1c0$85cf5c18@tampabay.rr.com> I found this: "Using the Internet today is like trying to use a library where all the books have been dumped on the floor and the lights turned out. Everything's there, but we need better flashlights (browsers), search time (bandwidth), and room directions (directories) to find it." A.J. Vendeland, in Review of The Software Publishers Association Europe Conference, Conference Analysis June 28, 1996 Shirl Kennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hanan Cohen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:22 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] "books on the floor" metaphore > I am programming a web based annotated database of internet sites for the use of > our librarians. > > On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest library in > the world with all the books on the floor". > > Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? > > Thanks > -- > Hanan Cohen > > Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il > Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il > In association with : Bashan Systems > ***Love and Peace*** From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Dec 9 10:01:39 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Collecting Statistics References: <002C9002.C21343@nypl.org> Message-ID: <384FC453.74CA303B@am.appstate.edu> I use WebTrends also but I include almost all of the information WebTrends allows to bo put into a report except ads which doesn't matter anyway because we have no ads. I include all data because I have the disk space and this provides any information someone may want without having to generate a new report. I am very pleased with WebTrends and its report format which allows you to choose tables, graphs, or both for output on most fields. My index page to WebTrends Reports is at: http://www.library.appstate.edu/Web_Statistics/Library/webtrends/ Sometimes I also generate a report from the Netscape server admin interface which uses a program called lganalyz.exe that comes with the server. This is just for comparison purposes to see how each interprets the log info. Lganalyz presents the report in a full text form similar to analog.exe but no graph lines. The most recent report with this generator is May 99. The index page for the Netscape report generator can be found at: http://www.library.appstate.edu/Web_Statistics/Library/Netscape/index.html Thomas cbickner wrote: > > > What kinds of programs/mechanisms are people using to collect computer > use statistics? We use WebTrends for Internet stats and use the > following three numbers for reports and sound bites. > > User Session -- A session of activity (all hits) for one user of the > web site. A unique user is determined by the IP address or cookie. By > default, a user session is terminated when a user is inactive for more > than 30 minutes. > > View (Page) -- Each request for a particular web page. Also referred > to as an Impression or a Page View. > > and the ever problematic: > > Hits -- An action on the web server, such as when a user views a page > or downloads a file. > > Carrie Bickner -- Web Coordinator > ---------------------------------------------- > The New York Public Library - Branch Libraries > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/webmaster/ Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Thu Dec 9 18:16:30 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] No advertisement search engine sites References: Message-ID: <3850384D.567EED33@qglibrary.org.il> Even if you find a search engine with no advertising, the sited that will be linked from this engine will have them. If you are bothered with advertising you can install WebWasher. http://www.siemens.com/servers/wwash/wwash_us.htm -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From savlc at cunyvm.cuny.edu Thu Dec 9 18:47:02 1999 From: savlc at cunyvm.cuny.edu (susan voge) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: Position: Chief Librarian, Lehman College/CUNY, NYC Message-ID: <38503F76.46C28EC1@cunyvm.cuny.edu> LEHMAN COLLEGE, The City University of New York CHIEF LIBRARIAN Responsibilities: The Chief Librarian is responsible for the overall administration of the Library and for the development and support of Library information services to the Lehman College Community. Other general responsibilities include: Providing leadership in the integration of traditional Library services with new information technology. Cost-effectively serving the research, education and technological needs of faculty, students and staff. Bringing an understanding of the Library as a vital component of the teaching and learning enterprise. Participating on team-centered programs focused on implementing technologies, policies and procedures that enhance the development and sharing of knowledge among internal and external constituencies. Day to day management including preparing and administering the fiscal budget of the library as well as supervising the staff of professionals and paraprofessionals. Qualifications: The successful candidate must have two masters degrees or a doctorate from an ALA accredited institution. The preferred candidate should have ten years of related experience including supervisory and management responsibilities in a research Library environment; a record of scholarly and professional achievement that will qualify the individual for a senior faculty appointment in the Library Department; demonstrated expertise with new Library technologies; strong interpersonal, written and oral communication skills. Salary Range: $52,891 - $86,619, with additional remuneration for an administrative designation. Lehman College is a public, coeducational liberal arts college enrolling some 9,000 students from 80 countries in over 90 undergraduate, graduate degree and professional programs. The College's 30-acre tree-lined and safe campus blends gothic and modern architecture and has been described by the NY Times as the most beautiful of the CUNY campuses. The Library is housed in a modern 4-story building equipped with state of the art technology including an electronic classroom. One hundred additional public-access workstations will be installed over the next year. The open stacks book collection contains some 547,000 volumes and 1,300 periodical subscriptions. Visit the Library's home page at: http://www.lehman.cuny.edu/library/library2.htm Letters of application with curriculum vitae and list of three references should be sent by 2/1/2000 to: Professor Linda Keen Chief Librarian Search Committee c/o Erica Matthews Herbert H. Lehman College, CUNY Office of the Provost - S-377 250 Bedford Park Boulevard West Bronx, New York 10468 Lehman College/CUNY is an equal opportunity/affirmative action/Americans with Disability Act Employer From bjordan at u.washington.edu Thu Dec 9 18:48:34 1999 From: bjordan at u.washington.edu (Bill Jordan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Systems Librarian, University of Washington Message-ID: <005a01bf429f$e7fcc940$93685f80@lib.washington.edu> NOTICE OF VACANCY November 29, 1999 TITLE: Systems Librarian GENERAL DESCRIPTION: Under the general direction of the Associate Director for Library Systems, serves as Systems Librarian contributing to the planning, development and implementation of the UW Libraries computing environment. This environment includes support for technical areas of the UW Libraries integrated library system from Innovative Interfaces, a desktop computing environment built on top of Microsoft products and a Web gateway that ties a wide range of electronic services together. This position will be assigned to projects in any of these areas over time and will take the role of chief lead on some of them. To carry out these duties the Systems Librarian will work actively with departments within the Libraries and the user community as necessary. SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES and DUTIES: 1. Takes a major role in the planning and has significant responsibility for the implementation of electronic information services to the staff and public, particularly through the use of PC's, NT networking and the Web. This will include leading major systems initiatives from initial planning through deployment. 2. Participates in the development of overall technology planning for Library Systems. 3. Maintains an awareness of networking standards, technology and national developments related to distributed computing environments and information technology. Tracks essential technologies and studies their applicability in the local environment. 4. Participates in the analysis of the networked information needs of end-users and library staff, coordinates and implements the design of appropriate solutions. 5. May participate in staff or user education programs. 6. Participates in Libraries-wide committees, task forces, and teams as appropriate. 7. Assists in the support of library database systems as required, including the provision of Web access through specialized API's. 8. Works with Computer-Based Services Librarians and computing support staff in academic departments as appropriate. 9. Assumes other responsibilities as assigned; performs other duties as required. QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Graduate degree from a program accredited by the American Library Association or an equivalent graduate library science/information studies degree required. 2. Two years of technical computer experience relevant for work in an academic or other complex library required. This should include significant programming experience. 3. Good oral and written communication skills. 4. Demonstrated user-centered service philosophy and proven ability to work with both technical and non-technical people. 5. Some technical Web experience including the creation and maintenance of CGI or similar scripts. 6. Must be knowledgeable about current trends in information technology particularly those relating to NT and the World Wide Web. 7. Previous experience with or knowledge of Java or another object-oriented language desired. 8. Experience with Web server operations in a Microsoft NT environment is desirable, including work with IIS, ASP, JavaScript, Visual Basic Script and Microsoft Access. 9. Experience with Innovative Interfaces Inc. is also desirable. SALARY: $40,000/year minimum. Starting salary commensurate with qualifications and background. BENEFITS: Librarians are academic personnel and participate in the University of Washington Retirement Plan (TIAA-CREF, The Vanguard Group, SAFECO Mutual Funds and/or Fidelity Investments) on a matching basis. Vacation is accrued at the rate of 24 working days per year; sick leave at the rate of 12 working days per year. Excellent medical, dental and life insurance plans. No state or local income tax. APPLY TO: Charles E. Chamberlin Deputy Director of Libraries University of Washington Libraries 482 Allen Library Box 352900 Seattle, Washington 98195-2900 Applicants should submit a letter of application, full resume including a work telephone number and e-mail address, salary requirements, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of at least three references who are knowledgeable of the applicant's qualifications for this position. For this position also attach a summary of some recent technical project that details your contribution to the project. If possible this should include a URL to the project, any documentation and representative code. APPLICATION DEADLINE: To ensure consideration, applications should be received no later than 5:00 p.m., Monday, January 31, 2000. University of Washington Libraries' Home Page is: http://www.lib.washington.edu The University of Washington, an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer, is building a culturally diverse staff and strongly encourages applications from female and minority candidates. In compliance with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, the University is required to verify and document the citizenship or employment authorization of each new employee. From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Dec 9 19:46:01 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: Historian software Message-ID: <009401bf42a7$f8df0400$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> I coulda swore I posted on this two days ago, but response has been nil and I don't see the message. If I overlooked it, I apologize for repeating myself. Does anyone out there have experience with the software program Historian (published by the Fortres company)? I'm particularly interested in how well Historian tracks all types of computer use, is it network-friendly, what does it consider a user, and how it exports data. I am also interested in alternative software. (For our intranet and extranet, we are relying on Webtrends to give us a picture of "user sessions," however not-quite-accurate it may be... however, we provide access to other tools, such as word processing, which we do not have data on.) The *reason* I am investigating this is that Historian was mentioned by name in a memo discussing measuring user sessions for a possible new state report statistical area. I was asked to comment on this report, and would have anyway. I'm all for electronic measurement, and think that shaky data is better than no data at all, but before thousands of libraries dash out in a panic to purchase this software, I'd like to do more background investigation, from Them What Knows. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY http://www.shenpublib.org From paw at iglou.com Fri Dec 10 00:33:53 1999 From: paw at iglou.com (Anthony Wilson) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:45 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "books on the floor" metaphore References: <384F8273.CF5FC216@qglibrary.org.il> Message-ID: <005701bf42d0$25bae7a0$b8efffcc@257q8> Hanan, I included the quote in the Libraries FAQ, http://www.geocities.com/awilson57/sect8.htm , and I have also tried to track down the author: According to Copernicus http://www.copernicus.win-uk.net/quotes.htm : "It's like being in a library where someone has scattered all the books on the floor, attached them together with threads and you are in the dark." MorningSide, CBC Radio, May 1995 But then again it may be the ALA: http://wings.buffalo.edu/nursing/dl/distedu4.htm Or Patrick Casey (Associated Press, Oklahoma City): http://www.sfdrs.ch/linkpage/suche/ & http://ajr.newslink.org/web/intro.html Or Anonymous: http://www.gananda.k12.ny.us/library/mshslibrary/LIBQTE1.HTM > On the opening page, I want to write : "The internet is the biggest library in > the world with all the books on the floor". > > Does anyone know to whom can I credit this saying to ? From nealej at nylink.suny.edu Sat Dec 11 18:16:04 1999 From: nealej at nylink.suny.edu (Jane Neale) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore Message-ID: Hi, For years I have used the "kitchen junk drawer" as the metaphor I use to describe the Internet and now web, how it is organized, and how useful the stuff is that one can find there. My kitchen junk drawer has lots of good useful stuff, mixed in with lots of useless stuff that I have no need for but I have kept anyway, just in case! It is not well organized. Things in that drawer get out of date, redundant and obsolete... When I rummage around in there to look for something, I often find something entirely different that is of interest..... When I pull out one item, it sometimes drags other items with it, because they are intertwined..... and so on. I think it is a great metaphor. Jane ___________________________________________________________ Jane C. Neale Information Technology Coordinator Nylink State University Plaza Albany, NY 12246 e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu T (800) 342-3353 F (518) 432-4346 Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network _____________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Roy Tennant [SMTP:rtennant@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the street." Now *that's* more like it. Roy On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" column > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > Brian Smith > Assistant Head of Adult Services > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > .. But writing only on my own behalf > =========== > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > From plum at ulink.net Sun Dec 12 02:50:21 1999 From: plum at ulink.net (Nancy Sosna Bohm) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:46 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore References: Message-ID: <002c01bf4475$8adc0280$8b14a0d1@ycxfssto> Perhaps someone will be able to put together stats on a correlation between Internet users who have junk drawers and their likelihood to use the Web to find information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Neale To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 3:21 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > Hi, > > For years I have used the "kitchen junk drawer" as the metaphor I use to > describe the Internet and now web, how it is organized, and how useful the > stuff is that one can find there. My kitchen junk drawer has lots of good > useful stuff, mixed in with lots of useless stuff that I have no need for > but I have kept anyway, just in case! It is not well organized. Things in > that drawer get out of date, redundant and obsolete... When I rummage around > in there to look for something, I often find something entirely different > that is of interest..... When I pull out one item, it sometimes drags other > items with it, because they are intertwined..... and so on. I think it is a > great metaphor. > > Jane > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Jane C. Neale > Information Technology Coordinator > Nylink > State University Plaza > Albany, NY 12246 > e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu > T (800) 342-3353 > F (518) 432-4346 > > Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Tennant [SMTP:rtennant@library.berkeley.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > > I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The > Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on > the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to > explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel > like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. > How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the > street." Now *that's* more like it. > Roy > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > > > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" > column > > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > > > Brian Smith > > Assistant Head of Adult Services > > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > > .. But writing only on my own behalf > > =========== > > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > > > From helga.arlington at adls.org.nz Sun Dec 12 15:37:14 1999 From: helga.arlington at adls.org.nz (Helga Arlington) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 1659 Message-ID: <21B66E66EB58D311BA460000E88A2E18097358@ADLSEXC> The kitchen junk drawer is slightly off as a metaphor for the Internet too, as the owner originally assembled the collection in it, and will recognise all of the pieces retrieved - and will have at least half of an idea what should or might be there. Even the world's collective junk drawer doesn't really work, as that drawer isn't usually where you put treasures, only the things you are not quite sure where else to put! Maybe we have to fact the fact that we can't have a metaphor from the past - the idea of so much material, written or photographed or recorded for so many purposes, at so many levels of quality, being able to be retrieved from one's home PC - is not analogous with anything we have ever known. Being able to speak to anyone else in the world who had a telephone must have been a similarly mind-shifting experience - but that developed over long years. Likewise writing and having it reproduced by printing - and so speaking to the world. That the web has introduced the new paradigm so rapidly is what leaves us reaching for metaphors..... Regards Helga Helga Arlington Librarian Auckland District Law Society PO Box 58 / DX CP 10024 AUCKLAND, New Zealand > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org [SMTP:web4lib@webjunction.org] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:11 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 1659 > > WEB4LIB Digest 1659 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > by Jane Neale > 2) Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > by "Nancy Sosna Bohm" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Topic No. 1 > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:16:04 -0500 > From: Jane Neale > To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" > Subject: Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > Message-ID: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > For years I have used the "kitchen junk drawer" as the metaphor I use to > describe the Internet and now web, how it is organized, and how useful the > stuff is that one can find there. My kitchen junk drawer has lots of good > useful stuff, mixed in with lots of useless stuff that I have no need for > but I have kept anyway, just in case! It is not well organized. Things in > that drawer get out of date, redundant and obsolete... When I rummage > around > in there to look for something, I often find something entirely different > that is of interest..... When I pull out one item, it sometimes drags > other > items with it, because they are intertwined..... and so on. I think it is > a > great metaphor. > > Jane > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Jane C. Neale > Information Technology Coordinator > Nylink > State University Plaza > Albany, NY 12246 > e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu > T (800) 342-3353 > F (518) 432-4346 > > Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Tennant [SMTP:rtennant@library.berkeley.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > > I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The > Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on > the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to > explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel > like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. > How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on the > street." Now *that's* more like it. > Roy > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > > > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" > column > > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > > > Brian Smith > > Assistant Head of Adult Services > > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > > .. But writing only on my own behalf > > =========== > > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 2 > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:50:21 -0800 > From: "Nancy Sosna Bohm" > To: , > Subject: Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > Message-ID: <002c01bf4475$8adc0280$8b14a0d1@ycxfssto> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Perhaps someone will be able to put together stats on a correlation > between > Internet users who have junk drawers and their likelihood to use the Web > to > find information. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane Neale > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 3:21 PM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > > > > Hi, > > > > For years I have used the "kitchen junk drawer" as the metaphor I use to > > describe the Internet and now web, how it is organized, and how useful > the > > stuff is that one can find there. My kitchen junk drawer has lots of > good > > useful stuff, mixed in with lots of useless stuff that I have no need > for > > but I have kept anyway, just in case! It is not well organized. Things > in > > that drawer get out of date, redundant and obsolete... When I rummage > around > > in there to look for something, I often find something entirely > different > > that is of interest..... When I pull out one item, it sometimes drags > other > > items with it, because they are intertwined..... and so on. I think it > is > a > > great metaphor. > > > > Jane > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Jane C. Neale > > Information Technology Coordinator > > Nylink > > State University Plaza > > Albany, NY 12246 > > e-mail: nealej@nylink.suny.edu > > T (800) 342-3353 > > F (518) 432-4346 > > > > Nylink was founded in 1973 as the SUNY/OCLC Network > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roy Tennant [SMTP:rtennant@library.berkeley.edu] > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:07 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "books on the floor" metaphore > > > > I'm surprised that no one has yet taken this metaphor to task. The > > Internet is nothing like a library -- not even one with all the books on > > the floor or one that has been vandalized. I think I hardly need to > > explain what I mean to this crowd. So I'm surprised that some of us feel > > like using this metaphor when it is insulting to all that libraries are. > > How about "Doing research on the Web is like asking people randomly on > the > > street." Now *that's* more like it. > > Roy > > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Brian Smith wrote: > > > > > >Here's one that appeared in someone's signature: > > > > > > > > > > > >Doing research on the Web is like using a library assembled > > > >piecemeal by pack rats and vandalized nightly." -- Roger Ebert > > > > > > I used that in my sig for a while. It's from Ebert's "Critical Eye" > > column > > > in the Sept. 1998 issue of _Yahoo! Internet Life_, p. 66. > > > > > > Brian Smith > > > Assistant Head of Adult Services > > > Villa Park (IL) Public Library > > > http://www.villapark.lib.il.us/ > > > bsmith@linc.lib.il.us > > > .. But writing only on my own behalf > > > =========== > > > "If you didn't want them to think, you shouldn't have > > > given them library cards." -- _Getting Straight_ (1970) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WEB4LIB Digest 1659 > ************************** From coffman at cerfnet.com Tue Dec 14 10:16:52 1999 From: coffman at cerfnet.com (Steve Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Fee-Based Services and Digital Reference Networks at ALA Midwinter Message-ID: Important Discussions of Fee-Based Services in Libraries at ALA MidWinter. Want to know more about fee-based services in libraries and the role they might play in the new digital reference networks that are being developed? Then you won?t want to miss the FISCAL meetings at ALA Midwinter. FISCAL, for those of you who have never heard of it, is the ACRL Discussion Group for Fee-Based Information Service Centers in Academic Libraries but in practice, we really represent the interests of those of who manage and operate fee-based services in all types of libraries academic, public and corporate. At ALA MidWinter we will be holding two important discussions about fee-based services and the roles they might play in the evolving digital reference networks---which should be of interest to all of those who currently operate fee-based services, or who are thinking of starting one. Roles Fee-Based Services and the Collaborative Digital Reference Service Sat. Jan. 15 Marriott Rivercenter - Salon D 2-4pm Diane Nester Kresh and Linda Arret of the Library of Congress will be joining us to discuss the new Collaborative Digital Reference Initiative underway at the Library of Congress and to talk about the potential roles for fee-based services in such a network. Some of the applications are quite obvious librarians could refer patrons to fee-based services in libraries when they needed extended research services, or rapid document delivery, or needed specialized information products like credit reports, demographic reports, and others that were not available for free ... and there are many others, but we will save those for the meeting. Also, we need to give some careful thought on the logistics of incorporating fee-based services in the CRDS. Would the patron simply be given a list of services to select from and if so, how do we qualify services to be on that list? Or would something more formal work better for the customer? For example, what if we created a network of fee-based services where patrons could submit their proposed research project online and solicit proposals from a number of us. These are just a few of the ways this could work now, you bring us your ideas and thoughts to the discussion on Saturday afternoon, and let?s see what we can make of this opportunity. Then on Sunday, Jan. 16 Holiday Inn Express - Alamo 9:30-11am. Damon Camille, Director of the RICE Service at (you guessed it) Rice University, will discuss ?Coop-petition? a strategy that is frequently used in the commercial sector that may have some useful application for us as well. The idea is to explore the ways that we fee-based services might be able to better cooperate with one another to improve services to our customers and grow our businesses. This will be an opportunity to continue thinking through some of the networking ideas we will have started considering in Saturday?s program. Also, for Sunday morning, we are trying to get a representative from the Sci-Tech Publishers Linking Program over to tell us what they are up to, and what implications it might have for us but they are still unconfirmed. Stay tuned. Also, those of you interested in fee-based services won?t want to miss The RUSA-MOUSS Fee-based Reference Services Committee: on Sunday, Jan. 16, at the Hyatt Regency - Nueces 4:30-5:30pm. If you have any questions on the FISCAL programs contact Steve Coffman, Chair of FISCAL at FYI / County of Los Angeles Public Library, 1-800-582-1093 or coffman@cerfnet.com. Otherwise, I look forward to seeing you all in San Antonio. From ladyhawk at well.com Tue Dec 14 12:35:24 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Core Values Statement Message-ID: <199912141737.JAA21148@smtp.well.com> Dear Colleagues: Draft Librarianship: Core Values The following statement was drafted by the American Library Association's Core Values Task Force to meet the need for identification of the universal principles that guide all types of librarians and information professionals. The Task Force was formed based on recommendations of the Congress on Professional Education. Recognizing that these values encompass many principles and beliefs, the Task Force added an explication of the content, but it invites divisions, affiliates, chapters and other library-related units to develop their own interpretations drawn from their unique perspectives. The connection of people to ideas Unfettered access to ideas Learning in all of its contexts Freedom for all people to form, to hold, and to express their own beliefs Respect for the individual person Preservation of the human record Interdependence among information professionals and agencies Professionalism in service to these values Explication The Library Bill of Rights describes our obligations to those we serve. The Library Code of Ethics describes our obligations to ourselves and to our profession. Libraries: An American Value describes our commitment to the community. Arising from these and from our own professional lives are shared core values - timeless, universal, and inclusive. We hold these values as the foundation of librarianship: The connection of people to ideas. All others flow from that. We guide the seeker in defining and refining the search; we foster intellectual inquiry; we nurture communication in its myriad forms and formats. Unfettered access to ideas. We recognize access to ideas across time and across cultures as fundamental to society and to civilization. Learning in all its contexts. We select and make accessible materials that support the scholar, allow democracy to flourish, nourish creativity, permit people to learn in and outside of formal education throughout their lives, and encourage the pursuit of joy. Freedom for all people to form, to hold, and to express their own beliefs. Each person has the right to seek, to know, and to find within the context of their own lives. Respect for the individual person. We honor each request without bias and we meet it with the fullness of tools at our command. We respect the individual's need for privacy and for confidentiality in their search or their study. Preservation of the human record. The cultural memory of humankind and its many families, its stories, its expertise, its history, and its wisdom must be preserved from the past so it illuminates the present and makes the future possible. Interdependence among information professionals and agencies. Librarianship is collaborative by nature, and collections and services evolve through that collaboration. Professionalism in service to these values. Our commitment requires integrity, competence, effective stewardship, and service to our discipline as well as to our public. To provide further background on this draft, the Core Values Task Force has created a website that contains an FAQ, a list of the members of the task force (with e-mail addresses, and a summary of their affiliations and experience), source documents, organizations to be contacted for input, information on a hearing scheduled for the ALA Midwinter Conference, and how to forward your comments, questions, or suggestions to the members of the Task Force. The URL is: http://www.wwa.com/~dsager/core.htm This will be relocated to the ALA's website after the turn of the year. The Task Force looks forward to your comments and suggestions. Posted by GraceAnne A. DeCandido member, ALA Core Values Task Force ALA Councilor at Large GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial and Web Consulting 350 E. 236th St. Bronx, NY 10470-2104 voice: 718/994-7794 * fax: 718/994-9851 E-mail ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html "The use of language is all we have to pit against death and silence." --Joyce Carol Oates From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Dec 14 13:22:45 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Web design question References: <003b01bf40ba$d1a4dac0$0d9882d1@rcls.org> Message-ID: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Regular readers of Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox column will be familiar with a recent column where Mr. Nielsen explained that bad designs can become defacto web standards if enough web sites adopt them. See: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991114.html One example he provided was the blue "link" color, which he argues is a poor color choice in terms of readability. However, because it is essentially a standard, a site that uses other colors will suffer in usability because web users are conditioned to view blue colored text as hyperlinks. Another example he gave was the left-justified navigation menu. Although Fitt's Law [a very interesting usability concept! - see the link in the column] argues that a right-justified navigation menu will be more efficient for users, so many sites now use the left-justified menu that is has become a standard. Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in their web sites. Our current site design uses a left-aligned menu on the home page [without the colored bar] but it does make sense that a right-aligned menu would function better for visitors. Mr. Nielsen noted that the left-aligned menu is also counter-productive in that Western-readers focus from left to right and the most important content should be appear on the left side of the screen. On our web site, our highlights, like remote access, currently sit on the right side of the screen and it does now occur to me that this information which should be the first thing that visitors see is probably the last they see. So, if anyone has a right-aligned site, could they pass their URL along? Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From george at library.caltech.edu Tue Dec 14 13:35:02 1999 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Web design question Message-ID: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA367604A83B@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> One obvious problem with a right-aligned design is variable browser width. By default, if there is going to be any horizontal scrolling (I know, I know, that's a design flaw to be avoided), the right side of the screen is what will disappear from view. Considering the huge quantities of notebook paper most people have viewed and written upon, prior to developing web browsing experience, I'll go out on a limb and posit that the margins of the web page are going to be somewhat marginalized in people's viewing habits. Top &/or bottom of page or along a margin are THE places where people need to find navigational aids. Neilsen's most recent column, Voodoo Usability, claims that over 50% of the time people can't find what they're looking for on a website, even when it is there somewhere. With that kind of data, I'd say there's a fairly good chance that the navigation links are the most valuable content on any given page. >From a mechanical standpoint, I can't fault Andrew Mutch or Jakob Neilsen, the cursor tends to be on the right side of my screen, regardless of handedness. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us Tue Dec 14 13:46:12 1999 From: eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Compaq.com - About SpeechBot References: <3855E211.4CC13A0C@teleport.com> Message-ID: <199912141046120450.0072D0F3@sparkie.osl.state.or.us> Slick! Really slick! Free text search of audio text. It's a great beginning. - ernest ______________________ Ernest Perez, Ph.D. Group Leader Oregon State Library 503-378-4243, ext 257 ernest.r.perez@state.or.us From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Dec 14 14:18:00 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Compaq.com - About SpeechBot In-Reply-To: <199912141046120450.0072D0F3@sparkie.osl.state.or.us> Message-ID: And for those of you looking for those Dr. Laura rants on filtering in libraries, this search is a good start... http://speechbot.research.compaq.com/cgi-bin/query?q=filtering+libraries&opt=all&show=*&dr=*&ta=on&tv=on Roy On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Ernest Perez wrote: > > > Slick! Really slick! Free text search of audio text. It's a great beginning. > > - ernest > ______________________ > Ernest Perez, Ph.D. > Group Leader > Oregon State Library > 503-378-4243, ext 257 > ernest.r.perez@state.or.us > > > > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Dec 14 14:49:48 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question References: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <003801bf466c$70774460$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in > their web sites. Two different OhioLINK interfaces use right-hand navigation bars, our research databases and our Electronic Journal Center. Unfortunately, they're licensed services and I can't give a URL you'll be able to use. For what it's worth though, here are a couple of reasons we went with them. The first service replaced services that had native vt100 interfaces, and we needed to provide a greater degree of support for vt100 (i.e. Lynx) users than would typically be the case. In almost any left-hand navigation bar, the markup for the bar comes before the "real" content of the page, and it's not uncommon for that real content to start 60 to 80 lines down the page. Using a right-hand bar puts all the links below the serious content (and as a plus that only benefits Lynx users, the site employs throughout, an HTML 2.0 element that the bigger browsers never saw fit to implement. So Lynx users actually have navigational tools other browsers don't provide). Another advantage to right hand bars is that, if the bar does not need to extend the entire length of the page, it's less disruptive to play around with the right margin than the left margin. Finally--and you can decide for yourself if this favors a right-hand bar or not--browsers are increasingly adding a lot of panes to their windows: search engines, favorites/hotlists, history, etc. Personally, I think these panes obscure just where the left-hand edge of the HTML page is (and they're about the first thing I turn off in a new browser). Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Tue Dec 14 15:06:37 1999 From: donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question In-Reply-To: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: We use right aligned on our community network in levels under the index page and get lots of thanks from visitors using lynx. Donna On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Andrew Mutch wrote: > Regular readers of Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox column will be familiar with a > recent column where Mr. Nielsen explained that bad designs can become defacto > web standards if enough web sites adopt them. See: > > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991114.html > > One example he provided was the blue "link" color, which he argues is a poor > color choice in terms of readability. However, because it is essentially a > standard, a site that uses other colors will suffer in usability because web > users are conditioned to view blue colored text as hyperlinks. Another > example he gave was the left-justified navigation menu. Although Fitt's Law > [a very interesting usability concept! - see the link in the column] argues > that a right-justified navigation menu will be more efficient for users, so > many sites now use the left-justified menu that is has become a standard. > > Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in > their web sites. Our current site design uses a left-aligned menu on the home > page [without the colored bar] but it does make sense that a right-aligned > menu would function better for visitors. Mr. Nielsen noted that the > left-aligned menu is also counter-productive in that Western-readers focus > from left to right and the most important content should be appear on the left > side of the screen. On our web site, our highlights, like remote access, > currently sit on the right side of the screen and it does now occur to me that > this information which should be the first thing that visitors see is probably > the last they see. So, if anyone has a right-aligned site, could they pass > their URL along? > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed Multnomah County Library Community Information System TEL (503) 248-5238 Program Specialist FAX (503) 248-5226 E-mail: donnare@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/ From sloan at unb.ca Tue Dec 14 16:20:43 1999 From: sloan at unb.ca (Stephen Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Compaq.com - About SpeechBot In-Reply-To: <199912141046120450.0072D0F3@sparkie.osl.state.or.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Ernest Perez wrote: > > > Slick! Really slick! Free text search of audio text. It's a great beginning. > A very small beginning, I think. There are several problems. Speech recognition tools have problems with personal names. I once used such software to make a listing of a poetry collection donated to our library. It was very useful as I could handle each volume and record bibliographic information as I examined the volumes. Recording authors was a problem as the program always hazards a guess. I wish I could remember Naturally Speaking's stab at "Siegfried Sassoon". All I can recall is that it was pretty hilarious. This databse has similar problems. I can't find any reference to John Olerud. He must have been discussed in the sports show as he signed as a free agent recently. I also tried searching "rude" and came up empty. Aside from personal names, looking at the "transcripts" from these shows illustrates how badly the recognition software can work. Some of the material is just incomprehensible. Compaq acknowledges this in their information files. They say that most important words are spoken more than once and the software will get it right eventually. It would be interesting to compare this approach to OCR. CIHM has scanned microfilm and indexed the OCR'd results. Would a project work better if someone read the text into speech recognition software? The CIHM project is at: http://www.canadiana.org/ Here, the dirty OCR is hidden from the viewer. It's used for searching only. The viewer sees page images or PDF files. I'd also like to comment on Compaq'a decision to devote 10% of their efforts on this project to shows about the paranormal. I won't, however, as this would probably cause an off-topic flame war that would resolve nothing. Let's just say I was surprised to see 2 shows listed here. I guess that in the backwaters of New Brunswick we don't get to listen to such .... er... programming ....much. Stephen Sloan Systems Librarian UNB Libraries sloan@unb.ca (506) 453-4814 From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 14 15:39:09 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question In-Reply-To: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991214133525.00b59e10@mail.adaptive.net> At 10:12 AM 12/14/99 -0800, Andrew Mutch wrote: >Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in >their web sites. Our current site design uses a left-aligned menu on the home >page [without the colored bar] but it does make sense that a right-aligned >menu would function better for visitors. The colleagues who are working on it will probably kill me, but here is an example of one that is VERY drafty and incomplete. http://library.boisestate.edu/tour/ At least it shows the right hand menu. My main involvement was working out how to do this in FrontPage2000, which only allows shared menus in the top and left shared borders. We're pretty happy with the menu, though may come up with different and smaller buttons. Also, the draft pages need tons of cleaning up, resizing of images, completion of text, etc. But, at least you can see the right menu. The left and right arrows aren't all linked yet. The concept is that you can follow the arrows through a logical tour sequence, but that you can also pick the topic of your choice if you don't want to take the whole tour, or if you want to jump around. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 14 15:41:48 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Web design question In-Reply-To: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA367604A83B@dungeon.library.cal tech.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991214134024.00b5a3f0@mail.adaptive.net> At 10:37 AM 12/14/99 -0800, George Porter wrote: >One obvious problem with a right-aligned design is variable browser width. >By default, if there is going to be any horizontal scrolling (I know, I >know, that's a design flaw to be avoided), the right side of the screen is >what will disappear from view. That can be handled with proper design. Our pages just referred to work at 480x640 to 1024x768. I use sizer.exe to be sure that they do. The one exception at the moment is the parking map, but that will be resized to a semi-thumbnail with a clickable full size map. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From george at library.caltech.edu Tue Dec 14 16:12:52 1999 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: ALA Midwinter - Digital Archiving of Electronic Journals (managed discussion) Sunday, 1/16/00, 9:30 am Message-ID: <0C2C50C9B668D311878100A0C9EA367604A83E@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> Please excuse duplication. This message posted to: colldv-l, arl-ejournal, libadmin, autocat, vpiej-l, serialst, publib, libref, cristal-ed, sts-l, lita-l, liblicense-l, mars-l, web4lib, pacs-l, etextctr, diglibns. Discussion on Digital Archiving of Electronic Journals With Rebecca Graham of the Digital Library Federation LITA EPEJ Interest Group Business Meeting and Discussion ALA Mid-winter Sunday, January 16th - 9:30 to 11:00 at the Plaza San Antonio, Rm. Hidalgo C Discussion themes: 1. Terminology and summary of current leadership thinking 2. Planning Who? Copyright holder or author or subscribing organization How? Role of license agreements or other third party contracts 3. Costs What "business" model applies? Different models for different organizations? 4. Local actions What best practices? Discussion leader information: In October 1998, Rebecca Graham joined the staff of the Council on Library and Information Resources (CLIR) ) http://www.clir.org as the Research Associate for the Digital Library Federation (DLF) http://www.clir.org/diglib/dlfhomepage.htm. Rebecca came to the Council and the DLF from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) where she was the Manager of Integrated Systems in the Library Systems Office. Among her responsibilities in the DLF, Rebecca helps open and expand communication among staff at DLF partner institutions regarding digital library projects and developments, assists in organizing and conducting Federation-sponsored projects, and represents the Federation in various external organizations and meetings. _______________________________________ Posted by: Kimberly Douglas Director, Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering and Applied Science and Head, Technical Information Services Caltech Library System 1-43 Pasadena, CA 91125 Voice: 626/395-6414 Fax: 626/431-2681 From kliss at hbs.edu Tue Dec 14 16:45:17 1999 From: kliss at hbs.edu (Kenneth M. Liss) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question In-Reply-To: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <4.1.19991214163152.00c8c140@pop.hbs.edu> We use a right-aligned navigation menu on the front page of our new HBS Working Knowledge site at http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu . (It's not strictly a library site, though it originated in and is managed by Baker Library for our parent institution.) Interior navigation is primarily through a drop-down menu, rather than a menu bar, but that, too, is on the right side. ===================================== Kenneth M. Liss Editor, HBS Working Knowledge Baker Library Harvard Business School http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu kliss@hbs.edu 617-496-6862 ===================================== >Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in >their web sites. Our current site design uses a left-aligned menu on the home >page [without the colored bar] but it does make sense that a right-aligned >menu would function better for visitors. Mr. Nielsen noted that the >left-aligned menu is also counter-productive in that Western-readers focus >from left to right and the most important content should be appear on the left >side of the screen. On our web site, our highlights, like remote access, >currently sit on the right side of the screen and it does now occur to me that >this information which should be the first thing that visitors see is probably >the last they see. So, if anyone has a right-aligned site, could they pass >their URL along? > >Andrew Mutch >Library Systems Technician >Waterford Township Public Library >Waterford, MI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991214/a0917792/attachment.htm From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Tue Dec 14 16:40:59 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Web design question References: <4.2.2.19991214134024.00b5a3f0@mail.adaptive.net> Message-ID: <3856B96B.C5BCE82D@qglibrary.org.il> I don't think that left OR right navigation are good. I think that content and navigation should be separated, i.e., navigation at the top and bottom. So what do you do with ALL the links you want to offer your users. Divide and conquer. That's a good rule. -- Hanan Cohen Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From eric at kclibrary.org Tue Dec 14 17:20:04 1999 From: eric at kclibrary.org (Eric (Eric Rogers)) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question Message-ID: Andrew, We have started to gradually move to this layout, as can be seen in our Community Links Section . As mentioned before we do this to improve readability, to better accommodate our large number of Lynx/dial-in users, and to get sidebar information out of the way of the main content. So far it has been well-received with no complaints or problems. We use the liquid page design concept, so our pages can easily scale down to less than 500 pixels wide and horizontal scrolling is usually avoided. -- Eric Rogers Internet Services Administrator, Kansas City Public Library eric@kclibrary.org - http://www.kclibrary.org -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Mutch [mailto:amutch@waterford.lib.mi.us] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question Regular readers of Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox column will be familiar with a recent column where Mr. Nielsen explained that bad designs can become defacto web standards if enough web sites adopt them. See: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991114.html One example he provided was the blue "link" color, which he argues is a poor color choice in terms of readability. However, because it is essentially a standard, a site that uses other colors will suffer in usability because web users are conditioned to view blue colored text as hyperlinks. Another example he gave was the left-justified navigation menu. Although Fitt's Law [a very interesting usability concept! - see the link in the column] argues that a right-justified navigation menu will be more efficient for users, so many sites now use the left-justified menu that is has become a standard. Still, I was curious if any libraries use a right-aligned navigation menu in their web sites. Our current site design uses a left-aligned menu on the home page [without the colored bar] but it does make sense that a right-aligned menu would function better for visitors. Mr. Nielsen noted that the left-aligned menu is also counter-productive in that Western-readers focus from left to right and the most important content should be appear on the left side of the screen. On our web site, our highlights, like remote access, currently sit on the right side of the screen and it does now occur to me that this information which should be the first thing that visitors see is probably the last they see. So, if anyone has a right-aligned site, could they pass their URL along? Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Dec 14 17:41:44 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: FrontPage98 Question References: <3856B96B.C5BCE82D@qglibrary.org.il> Message-ID: <3856C7A6.4CE35EDB@tln.lib.mi.us> Is anyone out there aware of any glitches or "features" in FrontPage98 that could "corrupt" javascript code? I'm trying to assist someone with the Netscape "kiosk" mode that uses javascript to create a new browser window with specified preferences. When this code is pasted in FP98s HTML view and published, the code fails to work properly. I've eliminated problems with the code because I can copy and paste the same code into Notepad and Arachnophilia and the code works properly. Any insights would be appreciated! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Tue Dec 14 17:39:59 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage98 Question Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA947@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> FrontPage 98 always messes up JavaScript code. You have to put it into the "Insert HTML" function I think. It puts FP specific code around it so FP doesn't try to change it. Bill Drew From JoBarker at dwu.edu Tue Dec 14 17:46:16 1999 From: JoBarker at dwu.edu (Barker, Jodie) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: web design question Message-ID: It isn't a library, but is a library-related product. HW Wilson is using a right side navigation bar in their online databases. It's not large, but is readily visible, shows up on all pages, and lets users know where they are within the site. Other movement options appear before and after screen content. I find it fairly easy to move within the site -- the novelty of right hand navigation didn't click (no pun intended) until the question came up here. Jodie ********* Jodie Barker Public Services/ILL Librarian Layne Library Dakota Wesleyan University (DWU) 1200 West University Mitchell SD 57301 (605) 995-2619 jobarker@dwu.edu From RLBEACH1 at athena.ualr.edu Tue Dec 14 18:05:06 1999 From: RLBEACH1 at athena.ualr.edu (Regina Beach) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Forms and NT References: Message-ID: <000001bf4688$19009b70$ce28a790@ualr.edu> Folks, We've got some forms to put up on our page. Also we're about to move our page from our VMS server over to our NT server. I've worked with Perl on Unix, but not NT. Is there a CGI language that works better on NT? Any pointers on getting started--links, libraries, advice, and etc. will be greatly appreciated also. Thanks, Regina Beach Head, Library Information Technology University of Arkansas at Little Rock From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 14 18:07:25 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: FrontPage98 Question In-Reply-To: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA947@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.E DU> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991214160706.00b5ab00@mail.adaptive.net> At 02:40 PM 12/14/99 -0800, Drew, Bill wrote: >FrontPage 98 always messes up JavaScript code. You have to put it into the >"Insert HTML" function I think. It puts FP specific code around it so FP >doesn't try to change it. Better yet, dumb fp98 and get fp2k, which doesn't mess up existing code. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From slee at ugf.edu Tue Dec 14 18:20:13 1999 From: slee at ugf.edu (Susan Lee) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: FrontPage & IE5.0 question Message-ID: <005601bf4689$c6497530$24f8b6cc@ugf.edu> Hi On 2 of my 6 computers (all running IE5.0), the hover buttons just show up as graphic placeholders. I've checked all of the Internet Options in IE 5, but I cannot see any difference between the systems that display the hover buttons on my site and those that don't display the hover buttons. Even Netscape 4.7 displays it properly. What am I missing? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Sue Susan Lee Information Services Librarian University of Great Falls 1301 20th St South Great Falls Mt 59405 http://www.ugf.edu/Library/Libhom.htm 406-791-5318 slee@ugf.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tem1 at axe.humboldt.edu Tue Dec 14 19:30:24 1999 From: tem1 at axe.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Systems job announcement Message-ID: <3856E120.1A1615FA@axe.humboldt.edu> Systems Librarian. (New Position) Humboldt State University in Arcata, CA, is seeking an innovative and service oriented librarian for a full-time, 12-month, tenure-track Systems Librarian position at the rank of Senior Assistant ($46,488 - $58,740) or Associate Librarian ($53,460 - $74,352). The Systems Librarian is a functional unit manager, reporting to the University Librarian and serving on the Library management council. For a complete vacancy announcement, including detailed salary information, consult the HSU library homepage at http://library.humboldt.edu/newsworthy.html. Responsibilities: Oversees and participates in unit functions, including management, maintenance, and upgrading of library's technology infrastructure (Voyager ILS, OCLC, Windows NT client-server platforms, Web-based services, telecommunications, and networking), provision of training, technical and administrative support, and documentation; manages unit workflow; supervises 3 full-time technical staff and part-time student assistants; provides leadership in library technology development including serving as liaison to campus computing and telecommunications and for California State University system initiatives. Qualifications: REQUIRED: ALA-MLS/MIS; minimum of 3 years professional library experience related to the above responsibilities; practical knowledge of computers, networks, library automation systems, and emerging technologies; familiarity with Windows NT and UNIX operating systems, Web development tools, and telecommunications practice and theory; demonstrated excellence in managerial and communications skills, ability to balance and prioritize needs and tasks, and commitment to service and instruction; potential to meet tenure requirements in performance of primary responsibilities, professional development, and service. PREFERRED: Practical knowledge of Oracle and SQL; instructional and/or public services experience; academic library experience; prior successful project management experience. From ras at anzio.com Tue Dec 14 19:59:11 1999 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:49 2005 Subject: Anzio 12.2 released. Message-ID: 'nuf said. 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Can anyone confirm this or point to its new location?] This list will be distributed to Web4Lib on the 1st and 15th of each month with the subject "Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List". If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 15 09:01:01 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:50 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FrontPage98 Question References: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA947@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Message-ID: <38579F1D.F29CCB3D@tln.lib.mi.us> Bill, I tried that but it placed the code into the of the page. When I tried to copy and paste it into the [where it needs to be to run properly] - Poof! - it disappeared! Any other ideas? Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Drew, Bill" wrote: > FrontPage 98 always messes up JavaScript code. You have to put it into the > "Insert HTML" function I think. It puts FP specific code around it so FP > doesn't try to change it. > > Bill Drew From bob at mail.esrl.lib.md.us Wed Dec 15 09:16:27 1999 From: bob at mail.esrl.lib.md.us (Bob Long) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: CSS after width attribute in a table Message-ID: I've been trying to streamline my style sheet a little bit, and I've discovered that, in Navigator 4.0x, font-family declarations defined in a body selector are not inherited by elements that occur after a table that contains a width attribute. Everything works fine without the width attribute. Here's an example to demonstrate what I'm talking about; a very simple html document with an equally simple style. Test Page
A line of text in a table without a width attribute

A level three header following the table without a width attribute

A line of text in a table with a width attribute

A level three header following the table with a width attribute

If you copy this and view it with Navigator, you'll see the problem. I know Navigator is rife with CSS incompatibilities. I know about the problem with inheritance in tables, which is why I include the td selector along with the body. But I just can't imagine why a width attribute would stop inheritance after the table. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Has it been fixed in later versions of Navigator? (I stopped using Navigators later than 4.08). Aside from enclosing the entire page in a table, or listing every element that is used in the page with a font-family declaration, is there a way to make this work? Thanks, Bob Long, Eastern Shore Regional Library, Inc. Automation Technical Assistant 410 479 0776 (v) 410 548 5807 (f) bob@esrl.lib.md.us From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Wed Dec 15 09:37:55 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FrontPage98 Question Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA949@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Go into FP98 under "Insert". Open "HTML Markup". Put your code in. FP will put code around it so that it won't be changed. stupid design and cumbersome but it works. I am actually using Arachnophilia almost exclusively unless I need to create an ASP page. Bill Drew From MarillJ at mail.nlm.nih.gov Wed Dec 15 09:44:54 1999 From: MarillJ at mail.nlm.nih.gov (Jennifer Marill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Job posting: Systems Librarian, NLM/NIH Message-ID: Systems Librarian National Library of Medicine Bethesda, MD www.nlm.nih.gov The National Library of Medicine, Public Services Division, invites applications for a systems librarian to join a small, self-starting, team responsible for MEDLINEplus, NLM's new consumer health web site and other web-based systems. The position provides opportunities to work with staff throughout NLM, other NIH institutes, and NN/LM network member libraries. Salary range is $33,650 - $63,436. For application information, see the announcement at https://careerhere.nih.gov/CHPublic/HRShowVac.taf?&VACANCY_uid1=NLM%2D99%2D0106 The National Library of Medicine is located in Bethesda, Maryland, within an easy walk of dozens of excellent restaurants and shopping. NLM is just a few minutes from downtown on Washington D.C.'s Metro system. From jbspence at ocean.otr.usm.edu Wed Dec 15 10:11:53 1999 From: jbspence at ocean.otr.usm.edu (Barton Spencer) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC Message-ID: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> Hi all, We've been struggling with the question of how to show the public which journals we provide electronically, full-text. There are many single titles and even more titles that we get via EBSCOHost, SilverPlatter, and other aggregators. After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a separate database that we could publish to the web. There will be URLs in the MARC records so that the patron can go straight to the ejournal or to the aggregator that provides it. However, once this idea gained approval, the question of authentication (for off-campus users) raised its head. (by the way, we have a new Sirsi Unicorn system) My multi-part question is: Are others of you experiencing success in downloading records from an aggregator, such as EBSCOHost, and loading them into your OPAC? (In our case, we are talking about 13,000 or so titles from several aggregators) Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you use to determine that they are valid users? We think that we currently have ways to make all of this work, but I am quite interested to hear your experiences. If some of my questions aren't clear (they are hard to phrase in an email) please let me know and I'll try to elaborate. Thanks in advance, Barton Spencer Assistant to the Dean of Libraries The University of Southern Mississippi barton.spencer@usm.edu From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Dec 15 10:58:08 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FrontPage98 Question References: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA949@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Message-ID: <3857BA90.41580010@tln.lib.mi.us> Bill, This method only works if you want to put code into the of the page. If you want to put it into the you are out of luck. I used that method and tried cutting and pasting the code in between the tags in HTML view. It allowed me to do that but when I saved the page, it blasted the code away. I even tried cutting and pasting the code into a notepad document and taking the document into FrontPage but it still appears to do something to the code that is causing errors in the browser. I'll try searching for a workaround on this. Thanks for the help! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI "Drew, Bill" wrote: > Go into FP98 under "Insert". Open "HTML Markup". Put your code in. FP > will put code around it so that it won't be changed. stupid design and > cumbersome but it works. I am actually using Arachnophilia almost > exclusively unless I need to create an ASP page. > > Bill Drew From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Wed Dec 15 11:40:45 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC References: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> Message-ID: <004901bf471b$248ef160$e84ae980@usask.ca> > After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in > our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a > separate database that we could publish to the web. There will be > URLs in the MARC records so that the patron can go straight to > the ejournal or to the aggregator that provides it. ... > Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when > they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available > journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you > use to determine that they are valid users? I'm a fan of NOT linking from the OPAC to the ejournal. That's not to say that putting an 856 (or some other link) into the catalog is a bad idea; I just think it should point to some intermediary page or CGI script. Why? A couple of reasons, not the least of which is ease of maintenance. Let's say Ebsco changes the URLs for their journals. Each ILS is probably different, but I bet it's a huge undertaking to change all those 856 fields in the catalog. Probably a lot more work than running an update query against an SQL database, or using some sort of search and replace on an XML file. The second reason deals a little more with authentication. We've found that the easiest method (for us, maybe not the vendors ??) is IP authentication. By linking from the catalog to some intermediary page/database we can not only provide the patron with whatever additional information we have about the journal, plus check the IP number, and provide instructions on using the library's proxy server if they are coming from off campus (our proxy server uses patron name and barcode for authentication). If the ejournal requires a username and password, that intermediary page/script could provide that to the patron (assuming we can verify the person is indeed a patron). - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From eric at openly.com Wed Dec 15 11:51:29 1999 From: eric at openly.com (Eric Hellman) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC In-Reply-To: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> References: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> Message-ID: One of the main goals of our Link.Openly system (http://www.openly.com/link.openly/) is to make the job of presenting and using a library's e-journals much easier. But there's quite a bit of work to do before it's actually a solution you can use. Just wanted you to be aware of what was on the horizon! Authenticating off-campus users is another can of worms. My personal opinion is that only VPN-like solutions (which essentially turn off-campus users into virtual on-campus users) are likely to be robust and unobtrusive. Eric >Hi all, > >We've been struggling with the question of how to show the public >which journals we provide electronically, full-text. There are >many single titles and even more titles that we get via >EBSCOHost, SilverPlatter, and other aggregators. > >After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in >our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a >separate database that we could publish to the web. There will be >URLs in the MARC records so that the patron can go straight to >the ejournal or to the aggregator that provides it. However, once >this idea gained approval, the question of authentication (for >off-campus users) raised its head. (by the way, we have a new >Sirsi Unicorn system) > >My multi-part question is: >Are others of you experiencing success in downloading records >from an aggregator, such as EBSCOHost, and loading them into your >OPAC? (In our case, we are talking about 13,000 or so titles from >several aggregators) > >Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when >they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available >journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you >use to determine that they are valid users? > >We think that we currently have ways to make all of this work, >but I am quite interested to hear your experiences. If some of my >questions aren't clear (they are hard to phrase in an email) >please let me know and I'll try to elaborate. > >Thanks in advance, > >Barton Spencer >Assistant to the Dean of Libraries >The University of Southern Mississippi >barton.spencer@usm.edu Eric Hellman Openly Informatics, Inc. http://www.openly.com/ 21st Century Information Infrastructure From sloan at unb.ca Wed Dec 15 13:02:14 1999 From: sloan at unb.ca (Stephen Sloan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC In-Reply-To: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> Message-ID: > > We've been struggling with the question of how to show the public > which journals we provide electronically, full-text. There are > many single titles and even more titles that we get via > EBSCOHost, SilverPlatter, and other aggregators. > > After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in > our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a > separate database that we could publish to the web. For various reasons, we went the database route. I would recommend that way because of the flexibility it gives you. It is, for example, muuch easier to download and integrate records from vendors into an SQL database than it is to create MARC records in an OPAC (EBSCO provides MARC but other vendors do not). You may find the University of New Brunswick's system at: http://flay.hil.unb.ca/EJournals/ In the background is a MySQL database and perl scripts. I have written perl scripts to update records from new lists as well as provide a Web interface. I'd be happy to share them. > > Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when > they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available > journal in your OPAC and click on the link? Another way the databse proves valuable. Clicking on a link for a journal passes the user to a script. If they are on campus, they are redirected to the journal home page. If not, they are presented with proxy server instuctions (with a link to the journal home page). Once the browser is set up and they have authenticated themselves, they can just follow the link to the journal. What method do you > use to determine that they are valid users? At the University of New Brunswick, all faculty and students are issued an ID and PIN. Our proxy server is able to make use of this data. I believe the data is loaded into a MySQL database and an apache module is added to check the authentication against the data. I'd be happy to answer any other questions about this. We just set up the proxy service late last month. So far, I think it has been working well with the exception of some cases where Internet Explorer will not authenticate properly. Stephen Sloan Systems Librarian UNB Libraries sloan@unb.ca (506) 453-4814 From catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us Wed Dec 15 11:56:58 1999 From: catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us (Catherine Buck Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Need help with coding for online form Message-ID: <3857C85A.D4EDE2A1@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> We have an intermittent problem with an online request form. Usually all the text typed into the request text box comes across, but a couple of times a week we will get a request with the text abruptly abbreviated. Sometimes we only get the first line, sometimes we'll get two or three lines, and then it stops. It's been very frustrating for our ILL people, and I can't tell you how frustrating it's been for me!!! The code looks good. The page is at http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scln/ill/info.html. I've copied the code below. I've indicated the problem box with some ***. Thanks very much!! SCLN Inter-Library Loan Service - Information Request Form

South Carolina Library Network
Inter-Library Loan Service
Information Request Form

Use this form to request information from the State Library on subjects of interest to your patrons. Be as detailed as possible in describing the information requested, and how it will be used (e.g. for personal interest, term paper, etc.). Identifying the age level (adult or student) of the patron and sources previously checked will help us to supply appropriate materials.

Providing as much information as possible will help us to fill your request promptly and correctly.

*****
Name of Library:
Information requested:
Purpose for which requested:
Patron category: Adult Student Technical
Sources checked:
Notes:


   
-- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8666 Fax 803.734.8676 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. From donaldb at library.tmc.edu Wed Dec 15 12:28:25 1999 From: donaldb at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC Message-ID: <007c01bf4721$cadf7c00$3c1e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> Barton Spenser asks some good questions. The authoritative answers to these questions are not yet within our grasp, but I will gladly tell you how we do it at my shop. My library has a two pronged approch. We catalog our ejournals in the OPAC and we have an alphabetical list of ejournals on our website (http://www.library.tmc.edu/ejournals.html). The alpha list has more titles than are in the OPAC because the list includes free ejournals that are not catalogged. We are planning to make the alpha list (which is generated from a Microsoft Access file) searchable some time in the future. >Are others of you experiencing success in downloading records >from an aggregator, such as EBSCOHost, and loading them into your >OPAC? (In our case, we are talking about 13,000 or so titles from >several aggregators) We haven't downloaded records from an aggregator. In fact, our experience with our major aggregator (who shall remain nameless) has not been good. When it comes to ejournals, the aggregator tends to send us a list of journals we <>have access to and leave all the details of access to us and the epublishers. These details are not insignificant, and ironing them out takes pretty near one FTE. >Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when >they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available >journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you >use to determine that they are valid users? Our preferred method is IP authentication. Note that a significant number of epublishers require passwords instead of, or in addition to, IP authentication, so don't plan on having everything work seamlessly. For our cardholders who are not coming from one of our institutional IP ranges, we have a remote access option. Right now, remote access involves dialing up a library modem, but in January 2000 we are switching to a proxy-server system that allows users to access directly from the web. You can get some idea of how it works (and will work) by visiting: http://txhi.library.tmc.edu/rasweb/rasweb2.htm. Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- always the beautiful answer Texas Medical Center Library who asks the more beautiful question donaldb@library.tmc.edu -- e. e. cummings -----Original Message----- From: Barton Spencer To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:42 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC >Hi all, > >We've been struggling with the question of how to show the public >which journals we provide electronically, full-text. There are >many single titles and even more titles that we get via >EBSCOHost, SilverPlatter, and other aggregators. > >After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in >our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a >separate database that we could publish to the web. There will be >URLs in the MARC records so that the patron can go straight to >the ejournal or to the aggregator that provides it. However, once >this idea gained approval, the question of authentication (for >off-campus users) raised its head. (by the way, we have a new >Sirsi Unicorn system) > >My multi-part question is: >Are others of you experiencing success in downloading records >from an aggregator, such as EBSCOHost, and loading them into your >OPAC? (In our case, we are talking about 13,000 or so titles from >several aggregators) > >Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when >they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available >journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you >use to determine that they are valid users? > >We think that we currently have ways to make all of this work, >but I am quite interested to hear your experiences. If some of my >questions aren't clear (they are hard to phrase in an email) >please let me know and I'll try to elaborate. > >Thanks in advance, > >Barton Spencer >Assistant to the Dean of Libraries >The University of Southern Mississippi >barton.spencer@usm.edu > > > From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Dec 15 12:38:42 1999 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC In-Reply-To: <007c01bf4721$cadf7c00$3c1e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: If you want to see how some libraries are dealing with the e-j issue, see: http://library.usask.ca/~scottp/links/ and pick "Library Indexes" From kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca Wed Dec 15 12:28:01 1999 From: kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca (Kevin Kierans) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Valid card/Guest account for internet access. Message-ID: <3857CFA1.9E9413D6@tnrdlib.bc.ca> Question for those who require a valid library card in order to use the internet. (We are experimenting in one of our branches with software that requires a valid library card and allows a max of 30 minutes per day.) Do you have "Guest accounts" for internet access? How do you handle the visitor from ?????? who wants to check his/her email? (We issue a computer generated "fake" library card number good only for that day--takes but a second) How do you handle the visitor who is going to be in your town for three months but doesn't want to get a library card? (In our case because we charge a non-resident fee of $18.) And wants to come in _every day_ to check his/her email or just surf the web. (In our case we beat the patron with a stick for introducing an "interpretation" or "policy question" and initiating hours of "philosophy of library service" debate at the management level.) :-) Any other experiences, comments, etc. (If you want to discuss whether requiring a valid card is a good idea _in the first place_ please start another thread...) -- Kevin Kierans, Manager of Library and Support Services Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System Kamloops, B.C. CANADA V2C 2A9 (250)374-8866 mailto:kkierans@tnrdlib.bc.ca http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/ Reader's Robot: http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/rr -- From kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca Wed Dec 15 12:36:31 1999 From: kkierans at tnrdlib.bc.ca (Kevin Kierans) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Need help with coding for online form References: <3857C85A.D4EDE2A1@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> Message-ID: <3857D19F.2BD90A80@tnrdlib.bc.ca> If you have access to the web server log and know the exact time of the post, perhaps you could see if the "mistakes" are all from people using the very same browser and version number. Maybe the problem is at the browser end, not yours? Kevin Catherine Buck Morgan wrote: > > We have an intermittent problem with an online request form. Usually all > the text typed into the request text box comes across, but a couple of > times a week we will get a request with the text abruptly abbreviated. > Sometimes we only get the first line, sometimes we'll get two or three > lines, and then it stops. It's been very frustrating for our ILL people, > and I can't tell you how frustrating it's been for me!!! The code looks > good. > > The page is at http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scln/ill/info.html. I've > copied the code below. I've indicated the problem box with some ***. > Thanks very much!! > > > > SCLN Inter-Library Loan Service - Information Request > Form > > > >
src="/scsl/scln/ill/blue6.gif">

South > Carolina Library Network
Inter-Library Loan Service
Information > Request > Form

>
> >

Use this form to request information from the State Library on > subjects of interest to your patrons. Be as detailed as possible in > describing the information requested, and how it will be used (e.g. for > personal interest, term paper, etc.). Identifying the age level (adult > or student) of the patron and sources previously checked will help us to > supply appropriate materials.

> >

Providing as much information as possible will help us to fill your > request promptly and correctly.

> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Name of Library:
Information > requested:
Purpose for which > requested:
Patron category: > Adult > Student > Technical
Sources checked:
Notes:
> >

>
VALUE="Next">    TYPE=RESET style="font-size: 9pt" VALUE="Clear text">
>
> > > -- Kevin Kierans, Manager of Library and Support Services Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System Kamloops, B.C. CANADA V2C 2A9 (250)374-8866 mailto:kkierans@tnrdlib.bc.ca http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/ Reader's Robot: http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/rr -- From catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us Wed Dec 15 14:15:57 1999 From: catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us (Catherine Buck Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Need help with coding for online form References: Message-ID: <3857E8ED.D14573B6@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> I've attached the parsing program, as Roy suggested. I noticed that there are three different commands dealing with how the text should be wrapped.... The form that I'm having problems with is the Information Request Form. Thanks. Roy Tennant wrote: > > Catherine, > Frankly, I doubt it is your form markup that is the problem -- it is much > more likely to be the program that parses the form input, which no one > will be able to debug unless you post it. Thanks, > Roy > > On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Catherine Buck Morgan wrote: > > > We have an intermittent problem with an online request form. Usually all > > the text typed into the request text box comes across, but a couple of > > times a week we will get a request with the text abruptly abbreviated. > > Sometimes we only get the first line, sometimes we'll get two or three > > lines, and then it stops. It's been very frustrating for our ILL people, > > and I can't tell you how frustrating it's been for me!!! The code looks > > good. > > > > The page is at http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scln/ill/info.html. I've > > copied the code below. I've indicated the problem box with some ***. > > Thanks very much!! > > > > > > > > > > SCLN Inter-Library Loan Service - Information Request > > Form > > > > > > > >
> src="/scsl/scln/ill/blue6.gif">

South > > Carolina Library Network
Inter-Library Loan Service
Information > > Request > > Form

> >
> > > >

Use this form to request information from the State Library on > > subjects of interest to your patrons. Be as detailed as possible in > > describing the information requested, and how it will be used (e.g. for > > personal interest, term paper, etc.). Identifying the age level (adult > > or student) of the patron and sources previously checked will help us to > > supply appropriate materials.

> > > >

Providing as much information as possible will help us to fill your > > request promptly and correctly.

> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Name of Library:
Information > > requested:
Purpose for which > > requested:
Patron category: > > Adult > > Student > > Technical
Sources checked:
Notes:
> > > >

> >
> VALUE="Next">    > TYPE=RESET style="font-size: 9pt" VALUE="Clear text">
> >
> > > > > > > > -- > > Catherine Buck Morgan > > Automation Librarian > > South Carolina State Library > > EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us > > Phone: 803.734.8666 Fax 803.734.8676 > > Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ > > Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html > > > > The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. > > -- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8666 Fax 803.734.8676 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl # # CGI SCRIPT WHICH READS DATA PASSED FROM A WEB SERVER USING # THE POST METHOD # # /inet/httpd/docs/cgi-bin/scsl/scln/infoill.pl # # # # AUTHOR: Bill Schmidt # # DATE: July 1999 # # PURPOSE: # # Takes the data entered by a user into an HTML Form and emails # it to the email address specified in the $em_addr variable. The # server passes the data to this script using the POST method. # # AUTHOR INPUT: The author must assign the Form Name and e-mail # address to the 2 variables immediately below. $frm_nam = "SC Library Network ILL Information Request Form"; # $em_addr = "catherine\@leo.scsl.state.sc.us"; # $em_addr = "wschmid\@oir.state.sc.us"; $em_addr = "ill\@leo.scsl.state.sc.us"; # $frm_nam This is the NAME of the Form. # It's sole use is by the recipient to identify the specific Form # from which the data came; the name is specified by the Form's # author - it is NOT user input !!! The author can give the # form an arbitrary name of arbitrary length made up of # alpha-numerics, underscores, dashes and spaces. # (Please stay away from "special" characters such as single or double # quotes, colons, semicolons, etc. !!!) # # # $em_addr This is the email address to which the user input is to be sent. # END AUTHOR INPUT (Part 1) # Get the User Input From the Web Server and Place It in an # Associative Array &get_post(*Data); # Set up link for final page (Accept and Cancel pages) # Default link is to Public Libraries $ilink='   Submit Another ILL Request'; # Change link if Other Libraries' if ($Data{'LTYPE'} eq "O") { $ilink='   Submit Another ILL Request'; } # End setting up link for final page # Output Information for verification by user # Submitted data (SEQUENCE = 1) is passed back to user # for verification if ($Data{'SEQUENCE'} eq "1") { print < SC Library Network - ILL Information Request


Name of Library   $Data{'NAME'}
Information Requested   $Data{'NOTE1'}
Purpose for which Requested   $Data{'NOTE2'}
Patron Category   $Data{'PATRON'}
Sources Checked   $Data{'NOTE3'}
Notes   $Data{'NOTE'}


Accept:
Make Changes:  
Cancel Request:


EOF exit(0); # End output of data for verification by the user # Data has been Accepted, Data needs to be changed, or the # transaction has been cancelled } elsif ($Data{'SEQUENCE'} eq "2") { # Data has been accepted, so email it if ($Data{'ACTN'} eq "Accept") { open(MAIL, "|mail $em_addr"); # AUTHOR INPUT (Part 2): User must tailor the PRINT statements # to reflect all of the Form's variables !!!! print MAIL "Form Name:\t\t$frm_nam\n\n"; print MAIL "Library Name:\t\t$Data{'NAME'}\n\n\n"; print MAIL "Information Requested:\n$Data{'NOTE1'}\n\n\n"; print MAIL "Purpose for which Requested:\n$Data{'NOTE2'}\n\n\n"; print MAIL "Patron Category:\t$Data{'PATRON'}\n\n\n"; print MAIL "Sources Checked:\n$Data{'NOTE3'}\n\n\n"; print MAIL "Notes: \n$Data{'NOTE'}\n"; # END AUTHOR INPUT (Part 2) close(MAIL); print < SC Library Network - ILL Information Request


Your Request Has Been Forwarded to the SC State Library

Thank You !


  SC State Library Home Page

$ilink


EOF exit(0); # End Data accepted # Data needs to be changed, so redisplay it in the HTML Form # in which it was originally entered } elsif ($Data{'ACTN'} eq "Change") { # BEGIN - Assign Patron Category as Adult/Student/Technical $ALTL=' Patron category: Adult Student Technical '; if ($Data{'PATRON'} eq "Student") { $ALTL=' Patron category: Adult Student Technical '; } elsif ($Data{'PATRON'} eq "Technical") { $ALTL=' Patron category: Adult Student Technical '; } # END - Assigning Request-4-Week-Renewal print < SCLN Inter-Library Loan Service - Information Request Form

South Carolina Library Network
Inter-Library Loan Service
Information Request Form

Use this form to request information from the State Library on subjects of interest to your patrons. Be as detailed as possible in describing the information requested, and how it will be used (e.g. for personal interest, term paper, etc.). Identifyi ng the age level (adult or student) of the patron and sources previously checked will help us to supply appropriate materials.

Providing as much information as possible will help us to fill your request promptly and correctly.

$ALTL
Name of Library:
Information requested:
Purpose for which requested:
Sources checked:
Notes:


EOF exit(0); # End redisplay of Data in the HTML Form # in which it was originally entered } } # ILL request has been CANCELLED print < SC Library Network - ILL Information Request


Your Request Has Been Has Been Cancelled


  SC State Library Home Page

$ilink


EOF exit(0); # END - Output the Final Part of the HTML Document # ********************* END OF PROGRAM *********************** # ************************************************************************** # ************************************************************************** # # Below are the SUBROUTINES used by the code above # # Unless a bug is discovered in the subroutines, they # should NOT be changed, although the user may wish to add additional # subroutines to this section if this script is used as the basis for # another script # get_post () # # Gets the user input data passed by the Web server to this program # using the POST method, and builds the associative array. # # Exit Conditions: # # $key - Contains the parameter name assigned by the Form # author to the input element (e.g., text box, radio # button, etc.) which corresponds to this array record. # (e.g., $key = abc, where ) # # $Data{$key} - Contains the value entered by the user into the # input element corresponding to the parameter # name, $key # sub get_post { local(*Data) = @_; # Validate POST and TYPE if ($ENV{'REQUEST_METHOD'} ne "POST") { print "This should be a posted form and it isn't.\n"; exit; } if ($ENV{'CONTENT_TYPE'} ne "application/x-www-form-urlencoded") { print "This script can only work on form results.\n"; exit; } # Get the Data Passed by the Server &get_post_data(*Data, $ENV{'CONTENT_LENGTH'}); } # # get_post_data (*Data) # # Gets the POSTed data and puts its key-value pairs into the # associative array, Data. # sub get_post_data { local(*Data, $len) = @_; local(@lines, $rawdata); # Read the Data into a Single String read(STDIN, $rawdata, $len); # Split the Data on & foreach $entry (split(/&/, $rawdata)) { local($key, $data) = split(/=/,$entry, 2); # convert + to spaces in data $data =~ s/\+/ /g; &decode(*data); $Data{$key} = $data; } } # decode(*line) # # All "dangerous" characters are sent by the browser in "escaped" form, # %. This routine converts these % fields back into their # non-hexadecimal form which are usable by the program. # (e.g., %20 = is the hexadeciaml representation of a space) # # For further information, see: # # RFC 1630, Universal Resource Identifiers in WWW # (http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc1630.txt) # # RFC 1630, Universal Resource Locators (URL) # (http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc1738.txt) # # Hypertext Transfer Protocol - HTTP/1.0 # (http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/ # draft-ietf-http-v10-spec-05.ps.gz) sub decode { local(*line) = @_; local($pos) = $[; while (($pos = index($line, '%', $pos)) >= $[) { local($hexch) = pack('c', hex(substr($line, $pos + 1, 2))); substr($line, $pos, 3) = $hexch; } } From dbell at loc.gov Wed Dec 15 15:19:49 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Announcement of New American Memory Collection Message-ID: <3857F7E5.F2D9AEBC@loc.gov> Announcement of Civil War Maps Collection to be Added to American Memory Maps documenting battles, troop movements, reconnaissance efforts and locations of fortifications are a part of the most recent addition to the American Memory historical collections. The Civil War Maps collection contains approximately 2240 Civil War maps and charts and 76 atlases and sketchbooks that are held within the Library?s Geography and Map Division. A selection of these maps, based on Civil War Maps: An Annotated List of Maps and Atlases in the Library of Congress, will be made available through American Memory. Updates will be made to this collection on a monthly basis. Though the large majority of these maps were created during the time of the Civil War, a number were created afterwards to illustrate or explain certain events or battles. Publishers in the North and South created maps included in this collection by both Union and Confederate forces. An introductory essay provides a discussion of mapping during the Civil War highlighting materials that are within the Geography and Map Division of the Library. Of special interest are maps created by Major Jedediah Hotchkiss, a topographical engineer for the Confederate Army. Hotchkiss?s granddaughter donated these maps to the Library of Congress in 1948. Generals Lee and Jackson used a number of his maps as they planned strategy for various battles. Future updates will include images from his notebooks, which contain detailed notes about his various map projects. Also included are maps that were owned by General William Tecumseh Sherman. Some of these maps, which were donated by members of his family, document Sherman?s military campaigns in Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia and the Carolinas. Users may also be interested in maps that were created as propaganda items to encourage support of one side or the other during wartime and maps that were published in various newspapers. Panoramic maps and city plans are included within the collection. The Civil War Maps collection compliments many of the American Memory collections currently online including the Selected Civil War Photographs, Pioneering the Upper Midwest, California as I Saw It, Historic American Sheet Music and the WPA Life Histories. Images from these and other collections are used to highlight the material within the Civil War Maps collection and to provide links to these related collections. The Civil War Maps collection can be found at http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/cwmhtml For questions please send email to maps@loc.gov. -- Danna C. Bell-Russel National Digital Library Learning Center 202-707-4159 dbell@loc.gov From acadmarg at STMARYTX.EDU Wed Dec 15 15:42:53 1999 From: acadmarg at STMARYTX.EDU (Margaret Sylvia) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Remote access demo/open house during ALA Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991215204253.00680124@stmarytx.edu> Confused about remote access to your databases? Want to serve CD-ROMs over the web? At St. Mary's University we've implemented remote access software from Citrix that has solved most of our problems. Come to a demonstration/open house at the St. Mary's University Academic Library and see how it works for us. Since so many librarians will be in San Antonio for ALA Midwinter, we thought this would be a great time to invite everyone over. The demonstration will be Tuesday, January 18, 2000 at 2:30 p.m in the Academic Library. For directions to St. Mary's University, see or email me at acadmarg@stmarytx.edu. See you then! Margaret Sylvia Assistant Director for Technical Services St. Mary's University Associate Professor Academic Library acadmarg@stmarytx.edu One Camino Santa Maria voice (210) 436-3441 ext. 1320 San Antonio, TX 78228-8608 fax (210) 436-3782 Margaret Sylvia Assistant Director for Technical Services St. Mary's University Associate Professor Academic Library acadmarg@stmarytx.edu One Camino Santa Maria voice (210) 436-3441 ext. 1320 San Antonio, TX 78228-8608 fax (210) 436-3782 From donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Wed Dec 15 16:35:17 1999 From: donnare at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Donna Reed) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Valid card/Guest account for internet access. In-Reply-To: <3857CFA1.9E9413D6@tnrdlib.bc.ca> Message-ID: Multnomah County Library uses Pharos software and we issue temporary cards for this purpose. Donna Reed On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Kevin Kierans wrote: > Question for those who require a valid library card in > order to use the internet. > > (We are experimenting in one of our branches with software > that requires a valid library card and allows a max of > 30 minutes per day.) > > Do you have "Guest accounts" for internet access? > > How do you handle the visitor from ?????? who wants to > check his/her email? (We issue a computer generated > "fake" library card number good only for that day--takes > but a second) > > How do you handle the visitor who is going to be in > your town for three months but doesn't want to get > a library card? (In our case because we charge > a non-resident fee of $18.) And wants to come > in _every day_ to check his/her email or just surf > the web. (In our case we beat the patron with a stick > for introducing an "interpretation" or "policy question" > and initiating hours of "philosophy of library service" > debate at the management level.) :-) > > Any other experiences, comments, etc. > > (If you want to discuss whether requiring a valid > card is a good idea _in the first place_ please > start another thread...) > > -- > Kevin Kierans, Manager of Library and Support Services > Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System > Kamloops, B.C. CANADA V2C 2A9 (250)374-8866 > mailto:kkierans@tnrdlib.bc.ca http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/ > Reader's Robot: http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/rr > -- > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Donna Reed Multnomah County Library Community Information System TEL (503) 248-5238 Program Specialist FAX (503) 248-5226 E-mail: donnare@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/ From cmcclamma at chsd.org Wed Dec 15 19:40:13 1999 From: cmcclamma at chsd.org (Charlotte McClamma) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Web page optomization Message-ID: <385834EC.B0208FCA@chsd.org> Hi All, How are you handling the optomization of your web pages? Is it part of the job description of your webmaster? (If so, could you foreward a copy of that job description to me?) Or do you have someone else handling this function? If so, is this person an inside person but not a "webmaster" or is it an outside person/company? Please send any thoughts, opinions, answers, gold bullion to me and if there is an interest, I'll be happy to summarize... TIA Charlotte -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cmcclamma.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 263 bytes Desc: Card for Charlotte McClamma Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991215/5f7dc431/cmcclamma.vcf From sean at savvysearch.com Wed Dec 15 19:52:42 1999 From: sean at savvysearch.com (sean dreilinger) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web page optomization References: <385834EC.B0208FCA@chsd.org> Message-ID: <385837DA.E31A3941@savvysearch.com> Charlotte McClamma wrote: > How are you handling the optomization of your web pages? Is it > part of the job description of your webmaster? (If so, could you optimize to minimize bandwidth? speed up page loads? unless there is a ton of traffic to a particular content area/page, or some machine-generated html is especially slow to load, `web page optimization' may be wasted time. never heard of outsourcing straight html content for cleanup, although i've seen it meticulously hand-optimized for ultra-high bandwidth pages where the page size affected the ISP bill. hth --sean :-) From eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us Wed Dec 15 20:16:18 1999 From: eperez at sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:51 2005 Subject: Compaq.com - About SpeechBot Message-ID: <199912151716180340.01DBBCA7@sparkie.osl.state.or.us> Web4Lib folk, Stephen Sloan comments negatively on the ability of the Compaq SpeechBot approach to handle personal name recognition and the quality of transcription. Agreed. Especially since this is an early stage of development, not a finished mainstream product. I don't believe it was really put up as the latter. I see and concede his points. But just a moment...let's remember exactly what we're doing here? Like they say, "SpeechBot is an experimental index of popular U.S. radioshows, based on state-of-the-art speech recognition technology." Look, we're talking about an approach to searching audio text. We're _not_ talking about name entry control, or quality comparison to OCR, or the selectivity of their PBS test datafile. We're talking about the developing the kind of "best match" or "near miss" kind of recognition for spoken audio, that products like Excalibur have used in text searching. Like Roy Tennant suggested, look for ... Dr. Laura library libraries filter filtering and you'll find her stuff. Yeah, I admit it _looks_ crummy, perhaps, but I want to be able to search it easily and quickly and find it and _listen_ to it, not print it out or get a quality text file! You go to a transcription service if that's what's on your mind! Another example, try looking for ... breast implant litigation [all of the words] And see whether you can quickly find some broadcast text that's relevant. I don't have any better alternative ways on me at the moment. My mention of it to Web4Lib was meant as a pointer to an interesting software technology development area, and possibilities. I was not endorsing a transcription service or a name authority control utility. Hope it was of some potential interest. For example, when I sent the same note to my friend the Oregon State Printer, his forwarding note to our colleagues at the State CIO's office, the Legislature, etc., was... ------------------------------------ Check out this link, forwarded from Ernest Perez. This search engine does speech recognition and indexing of audio files. Lots of applications for us: public meetings, legislative hearings, etc. ------------------------------------ Cheers, - ernest ______________________ Ernest Perez, Ph.D. Group Leader Oregon State Library 503-378-4243, ext 257 ernest.r.perez@state.or.us ====================ORIGINAL MESSAGE=========================== On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Ernest Perez wrote: > > > Slick! Really slick! Free text search of audio text. It's a great beginning. > A very small beginning, I think. There are several problems. Speech recognition tools have problems with personal names. I once used such software to make a listing of a poetry collection donated to our library. It was very useful as I could handle each volume and record bibliographic information as I examined the volumes. Recording authors was a problem as the program always hazards a guess. I wish I could remember Naturally Speaking's stab at "Siegfried Sassoon". All I can recall is that it was pretty hilarious. This databse has similar problems. I can't find any reference to John Olerud. He must have been discussed in the sports show as he signed as a free agent recently. I also tried searching "rude" and came up empty. Aside from personal names, looking at the "transcripts" from these shows illustrates how badly the recognition software can work. Some of the material is just incomprehensible. Compaq acknowledges this in their information files. They say that most important words are spoken more than once and the software will get it right eventually. It would be interesting to compare this approach to OCR. CIHM has scanned microfilm and indexed the OCR'd results. Would a project work better if someone read the text into speech recognition software? The CIHM project is at: http://www.canadiana.org/ Here, the dirty OCR is hidden from the viewer. It's used for searching only. The viewer sees page images or PDF files. I'd also like to comment on Compaq'a decision to devote 10% of their efforts on this project to shows about the paranormal. I won't, however, as this would probably cause an off-topic flame war that would resolve nothing. Let's just say I was surprised to see 2 shows listed here. I guess that in the backwaters of New Brunswick we don't get to listen to such .... er... programming ....much. Stephen Sloan Systems Librarian UNB Libraries sloan@unb.ca (506) 453-4814 From lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Thu Dec 16 07:23:47 1999 From: lib6pmd at LIBRARY.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK (Pam Davies) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web design question In-Reply-To: <38568AF4.104E6C17@tln.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <199912161230.MAA06627@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> On 14 Dec 99, at 10:12, Andrew Mutch wrote: > Regular readers of Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox column will be familiar with a > recent column where Mr. Nielsen explained that bad designs can become > defacto web standards if enough web sites adopt them. See: > > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991114.html > > One example he provided was the blue "link" color, which he argues is a > poor color choice in terms of readability. However, because it is > essentially a standard, a site that uses other colors will suffer in > usability because web users are conditioned to view blue colored text as > hyperlinks. I found it very surprising that although he mentioned the color as a "standard" he didn't mention underlining of text as an even more standard "here is a link" indicator. Some colour changes are too subtle to be noticed easily, especially in a "light" type like larger fonts of Arial, making links very tricky to spot. I have no problem with the choice of colour for links, but I prefer them underlined! Pam - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pam Davies, Senior Assistant Librarian, IPR Officer Edward Boyle Library, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK p.m.davies@leeds.ac.uk tel: 0113 233 5543 fax: 0113 233 5539 From dbell at loc.gov Thu Dec 16 07:43:29 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Announcement of Collection Update on American Memory Message-ID: <3858DE71.CB56063C@loc.gov> The National Digital Library and the Manuscript Division are proud to announce additions to one of the American Memory collections currently online: Words and Deeds in American History. This collection was created to celebrate the centennial of the Library?s Manuscript Division and its continued work protecting and providing access to the primary resource material that documents the people and organizations that shaped our country. The first addition to the Words and Deeds collection is a Civil War Photograph Album that is part of the James Wadsworth Family Papers. This album of two hundred, autographed cartes de visite (miniature portraits used as calling cards) is believed to have been compiled by John Hay, a personal secretary to Abraham Lincoln and later a noted political figure in his own right. Included in this leather-bound album are images of military officers, politicians, and cultural figures. People of note include Abraham Lincoln, Montgomery Blair, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Edwin Booth, Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Salmon P. Chase. The work of twenty photographers or photographic firms is represented, including such notables as Mathew B. Brady, Alexander Gardner, the Whitehurst Gallery of Washington, D.C., and Black and Case Photographic Studios. Patrons can flip through each page of the album or view each image individually. They can also select images to view from two lists: a list of individuals appearing in the album and a list of photographers represented. The second addition to the collection is a draft of Elizabeth Cady Stanton?s The Woman?s Bible. Stanton, who is best known as a suffragist, participated in a number of reform initiatives with her focus on insuring women?s rights in all areas not just in the polling place. One of her most controversial stands was on the Church?s role in limiting women?s progress. In the late 1880s, Stanton began a through study of the Bible. Her work, along with the contributions made by a committee of academic and church women brought together for this project, led to the creation of volume one of The Woman?s Bible. Focusing on only those passages that mentioned women or erroneously omitted women, The Woman?s Bible reproduces the original text followed by a reinterpretation or commentary. The 151 pages of material made available online as part of Words and Deeds contains Stanton?s handwritten text for the books of Genesis, Exodus, and Numbers published in the first volume of her Bible and the book of Matthew published in volume two. ?Words and Deeds in American History? can be found at the following URL: Please direct any questions about the additions to the Words and Deeds online collection to NDLPCOLL@loc.gov From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Thu Dec 16 08:55:59 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web page optimization Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA952@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Charlotte Define what you mean by optimization? ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Dec 16 09:04:22 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web design question References: <199912161230.MAA06627@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00db01bf47ce$7ee7d1a0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > > > One example he provided was the blue "link" color, which he argues is a > > poor color choice in terms of readability. However, because it is > > essentially a standard, a site that uses other colors will suffer in > > usability because web users are conditioned to view blue colored text as > > hyperlinks. > > I found it very surprising that although he mentioned the color as a > "standard" he didn't mention underlining of text as an even more > standard "here is a link" indicator. Some colour changes are too > subtle to be noticed easily, especially in a "light" type like larger > fonts of Arial, making links very tricky to spot. I have no problem > with the choice of colour for links, but I prefer them underlined! > One of the first user-configurable settings on any graphical browser was the option to turn off link underlining, an option I've been taking since the earliest days of XMosaic. I respect your preference, but I find that lots of underlining reduces readability, especially since browsers tend to underline with little sensitivity for how they obscure text. I remember word processors in the 80's that could figure out how to break underlines around descenders, but then it's no suprise that current browsers are not the most sophisticated text layout engines. The moral of the story is that you can't really know how links appear on your user's screen. Links need to be immediately obvious without overpowering all the other text on the screen, and about the only assumption you can make is that users "get" this from their current browser settings. Fool around with underlining and color settings at your peril, and with the understanding that what you change may be the user's only visual clue that this is a link. I've seen a lot of sites recently that either make the links the same color as the text, or make arbitrary bits of text the same color as links. You want to play Hide The Links with me? Fine, then I won't follow them.

At the readability test, Nina said the Three Clam Opera was A bevy of poor jilted quahogs.

Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jbspence at ocean.otr.usm.edu Thu Dec 16 09:51:41 1999 From: jbspence at ocean.otr.usm.edu (Barton Spencer) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC - thanks! In-Reply-To: <000c01bf470e$b80d3210$79575f83@barton> Message-ID: <000201bf47d5$107718f0$79575f83@barton> Thanks to the following kind people who gave some great replies to my questions: Donald A. Barclay, Stephen Sloan, Eric Hellman, Darryl Friesen, Jimmy Ghaphery, Kerry Bouchard, Brian Westra and Patricia Husband I hope I didn't leave anyone out. You gave us a lot of information to chew on over the holidays. When we get a little closer to implementing some things (January) I'll have more information for those folks who wished to hear how it was going. I know other people have said this in the past, but this is a GREAT list. Thanks for your help and happy holidays! Barton Spencer Assistant to the Dean of Libraries The University of Southern Mississippi -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Barton Spencer Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 9:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC Hi all, We've been struggling with the question of how to show the public which journals we provide electronically, full-text. There are many single titles and even more titles that we get via EBSCOHost, SilverPlatter, and other aggregators. After much discussion we are thinking that placing the records in our OPAC may be the best way to go, rather than creating a separate database that we could publish to the web. There will be URLs in the MARC records so that the patron can go straight to the ejournal or to the aggregator that provides it. However, once this idea gained approval, the question of authentication (for off-campus users) raised its head. (by the way, we have a new Sirsi Unicorn system) My multi-part question is: Are others of you experiencing success in downloading records from an aggregator, such as EBSCOHost, and loading them into your OPAC? (In our case, we are talking about 13,000 or so titles from several aggregators) Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you use to determine that they are valid users? We think that we currently have ways to make all of this work, but I am quite interested to hear your experiences. If some of my questions aren't clear (they are hard to phrase in an email) please let me know and I'll try to elaborate. Thanks in advance, Barton Spencer Assistant to the Dean of Libraries The University of Southern Mississippi barton.spencer@usm.edu From jharvey at irving.lib.tx.us Thu Dec 16 09:49:45 1999 From: jharvey at irving.lib.tx.us (John C Harvey) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Use of underlining (was "Web design question") Message-ID: <3858FC08.443C9CDF@irving.lib.tx.us> Pam Davies wrote (in reference to Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox): > I found it very surprising that although he mentioned the color as a > "standard" he didn't mention underlining of text as an even more > standard "here is a link" indicator. Some colour changes are too > subtle to be noticed easily, especially in a "light" type like larger > fonts of Arial, making links very tricky to spot. I have no problem > with the choice of colour for links, but I prefer them underlined! Hear, hear. I would just add that if you're using underlining for links, then you shouldn't use it for anything else. When I see something underlined, I expect it to be a hyperlink. If I haven't had my tea yet, I can spend a couple of minutes clicking on simple underlined text, wondering why nothing's happening. 8^> ----(Imagine a fancy inline graphic here.)---- John C Harvey jharvey@irving.lib.tx.us "There must be more to life than having everything." --Maurice Sendak The views and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect official policies of the Irving Public Library or the City of Irving. Contents under pressure From dennism at library.tmc.edu Thu Dec 16 10:12:29 1999 From: dennism at library.tmc.edu (Dennis Moser) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Content Management Tools Message-ID: <000801bf47d7$f87633a0$411e44c0@d081.library.tmc.edu> Has anyone tried using Frontier ( http://frontier.userland.com/ ) on a library website? It is a cross-platform scripting/content management tool that now has a fairly powerful editing environment called Manila. As they say on their site, it "...is an integrated Internet content system built around key features such as a high performance object database, outliner, scripting, and a multi-threaded runtime." By cross-platform, I mean Mac and Windows environment (they take advantage of XML-RPC...a number UNIX/Linux users working with Zope are active within the user population, so there is some understanding there). I've been informally working with it over the past year and a half and was considering some larger scale implementations when they released their Manila upgrade. Just wondering... Dennis Moser, MILS, Web Librarian John P. McGovern Historical Collections and Research Center Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library 1133 M. D. Anderson Blvd, Houston, TX 77030-2809 dennism@library.tmc.edu From lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu Thu Dec 16 10:50:58 1999 From: lsherby at hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Louise S. Sherby) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: position at Borough of Manhattan Community College (NYC) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991216104406.00b8c820@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> This is being cross-posted. Please excuse duplication. LIBRARY OPENING BOROUGH OF MANHATTAN COMMUNITY COLLEGE OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK PVN# FY 309 CLOSING DATE: 01/05/00 TITLE: ELECTRONIC RESOURCES LIBRARIAN Instructor or Assistant Professor DUTIES: Coordinate the Library's electronic resources, including library's Website, e-subscriptions, CUNY+ and Internet stations. Assist in development of VL. Liaisons with campus information technology departments and CUNY Computer Center. Participate in teaching the use of electronic resources and reference. QUALIFICATIONS: Knowledge of web design, network, servers and supervisory skills highly desirable. MLS required for Instructor and 2nd Master's for Assistant Professor rank. Minimum 2 years library experience. Evening or Saturday schedule may be required. SALARY: Instructor: $29,997/A - $48,284/A Assistant Professor: $32,703/A - $57,049/A REFER TO BMCC VACANCY#804 AND FORWARD TWO (2) RESUMES ALONG WITH TWO (2) COVER LETTERS TO: Mr. G. Scott Anderson Director of Human Resources Borough of Manhattan Community College / CUNY 199 Chambers Street, New York, N.Y. 10007 ?AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY / AFFIRMATIVE ACTION/ AMERICNA DISIBILITY ACT EMPLOYER IRCA VERIFICATION REQUIRED BMCC is one of the 19 units comprising the City University of New York. Located in one of the fastest growing regions (Tribeca)in Manhattan, BMCC serves over 15,000 students, making it the largest community college in CUNY. The college ranks second in the nation in awarding associate degrees to African Americans, and 5th in awarding associate degrees to Hispanic Americans. The BMCC Fund for Excellence, a $2.6 million project, will support the creation of a virtual library to be opened the Spring 2001 to complement its main library. Inquiry may be directed to: Prof. Sidney Eng Chief Librarian Manhattan Community college Library 199 Chambers Street New York, NY 10007 (212) 346-8601 ************************************************************** Dr. Louise S. Sherby 695 Park Avenue Associate Dean and Chief Librarian New York, NY 10021 Hunter College Libraries Voice: 212-772-4143 Email: Louise.Sherby@Hunter.CUNY.edu Fax: 212-772-4142 ************************************************************** From cmcclamma at chsd.org Thu Dec 16 11:00:11 1999 From: cmcclamma at chsd.org (Charlotte McClamma) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Clarifying :Web site optomization References: <3858344E.C4E35B21@chsd.org> <001e01bf47d0$07b782e0$0801000a@tchm.org> Message-ID: <38590C8B.1A2D4DCA@chsd.org> I see from a number of responses that I was not too clear. We wish to optimize our pages to get a better ranking in the results of search engines. Because of the original design of our page (the up and coming trend: a dynamically created web site) which does not lend itself to good visibility on most of the search engines we are faced with trying to "optimize". We have hired someone to attempt to do this. This action has not been a satisfactory experience. We are also in the process of hiring a Web Master (previous construction done by web committee instructions to the Web Page designers) and we are interested in finding out if you have the Web Master handle this job or what! That is why a job description, if you have one, would be very helpful. Also, we'll take any ideas or suggestions (now be nice :-))... And thanks, in advance for all of your suggestions and help Charlotte McClamma Medical Librarian Children's Hospital, San Diego www.chsd.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have hired someone > to attempt to do this. > > This action has not been a satisfactory experience. We are also in the process > of hiring a Web Master (previous construction done by web committee > instructions to the Web Page designers) > and we are interested in finding out if you have the Web Master handle this > job or what! > > That is why a job description, if you have one, would be very helpful. Also, > we'll take any ideas or suggestions (now be nice :-))... > > And thanks, in advance for all of your suggestions and help > > Charlotte McClamma > Medical Librarian > Children's Hospital, San Diego > www.chsd.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cmcclamma.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 263 bytes Desc: Card for Charlotte McClamma Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991216/a67be5a2/cmcclamma.vcf From msauers at bcr.org Thu Dec 16 11:11:32 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Mozilla Bug Message-ID: If anyone has today's build of Mozilla (or any one from this week should do) and an eBay account please e-mail me privately. I'd like to test a bug I've found. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.dealpilot.com/?partner=1307 "I want to know what good is a Web search engine that returns 324,909,188 'matches' to my key word. That's like saying, 'Good news, we've located the product you're looking for. It's on Earth.'" --W. Bruce Cameron Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Dec 16 10:53:30 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: wireless within a building Message-ID: <38590AFA.D4A8E5C5@anaheim.lib.ca.us> We have a branch that recently spent a fortune digging up their concrete floors to put in new cable. They still have cabling needs that needs to be installed. Thus, there is some preliminary discussion of using some kind of wireless technology within the building. Are there any libraries out there using wireless technologies to address their cabling needs within a building. Radio? Infrared? E.T.'s telephone? -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From ewodar at interchange.ubc.ca Thu Dec 16 12:49:58 1999 From: ewodar at interchange.ubc.ca (Erwin Wodarczak) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Use of underlining (was "Web design question") References: <3858FC08.443C9CDF@irving.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <38592646.90B2AD66@interchange.ubc.ca> I'm one of those people who turns off underlining on their browser. I find that underlining tends to clutter up a page. But, to each his/her own. An alternative to underlining, especially on light type or if you're using a non-standard link colour (especially if it's a lighter colour), is to put all links in bold-face. See http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/ as an example. David Seigel (of "Creating Killer Web Sites" fame/infamy) advocated using red for unvisited links, arguing that it's a "hot" colour, so attracts attention better than "cool" blue. I tried setting my browser that way - I took one look, thought "yuck", and switched my browser preferences back. As always, YMMV. John C Harvey wrote: > > Pam Davies wrote (in reference to Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox): > > > I found it very surprising that although he mentioned the color as a > > "standard" he didn't mention underlining of text as an even more > > standard "here is a link" indicator. Some colour changes are too > > subtle to be noticed easily, especially in a "light" type like larger > > fonts of Arial, making links very tricky to spot. I have no problem > > with the choice of colour for links, but I prefer them underlined! > > Hear, hear. > > I would just add that if you're using underlining for links, then you > shouldn't use it for anything else. > > When I see something underlined, I expect it to be a hyperlink. If I > haven't had my tea yet, I can spend a couple of minutes clicking on > simple underlined text, wondering why nothing's happening. 8^> > -- Erwin Wodarczak Records Analyst / Archivist UBC Library - Special Collections and University Archives Tel: (604) 822-5877 Fax: (604) 822-9587 E-mail: ewodar@interchange.ubc.ca WWW: http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/ "We do precision guesswork, based on vague assumptions and unreliable data of dubious accuracy" From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Dec 16 13:06:34 1999 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] wireless within a building References: <38590AFA.D4A8E5C5@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <38592A2A.6434AB62@am.appstate.edu> Sorry for the long reply but I've tried to cover enough to reduce any questions although I don't mind responding to any. We are initiating a project to begin in January that uses the Cabletron RoamAbout wireless technology. This project was not to address a cabling need but to allow the use of laptops checked out for two hours at a time from our reserves area so people could search the catalog or WEB from anywhere in the library. Cabletron does have an adapter card for use in a desktop PC for the PCMCIA wireless network card. So far our testing has had great results. I positioned an Access Point (the switch unit connected to an ethernet port on the wall) on the first floor on top of a book shelf. We were able to stay connected on the third floor but not to the furthest corners of that floor. We have terrazzo floors although if I setup an Access Point in my office and walk around the corner I lose the connection through concrete block walls. So, in a pretty much open area it works great even with all of our metal book shelves. I will be putting at least one Access Point on each floor to guarantee coverage to all corners of the building. If you go out of range and drop the connection you just walk back into range and resume your work. The documentation says we can connect to any IEEE 802.11 LAN but another department came over to test Lucid's wireless cards and we could not get it to connect to the network and the Lucid card would not work at all in the Access Point. Although, the software for both look almost exactly alike implying that the underlying technology is even from another company. According to consultant at the other department, our price on the Cabletron equipment is about half of what the Lucid equipment costs. At the same time one Lucid Access Point can accommodate two network cards but if you purchased two Cabletron Access Points I think you would have mare area coverage. The accessories are even the same, in specific an antenna that can be connected to the PCMCIA card. The Access Point can be programmed via ethernet connection or RS-232 port with telnet. I even was able to find a telnet program for my WinCE PDA from Cambridge Computer Corp. ( http://www.cam.com )that would connect to the menu on the Access Point, a couple of other telnet programs required an actual host address rather than a direct connection. The programming includes setting the tcp ip address of the base unit and of the PCMCIA ethernet card that plugs into the base unit (same card that goes in PC). Okay guess that's enough for one shot. Thomas Thomas Edelblute wrote: > > We have a branch that recently spent a fortune digging up their concrete > floors to put in new cable. They still have cabling needs that needs to > be installed. Thus, there is some preliminary discussion of using some > kind of wireless technology within the building. > > Are there any libraries out there using wireless technologies to address > their cabling needs within a building. Radio? Infrared? E.T.'s > telephone? > > -- > Thomas Edelblute > Anaheim Public Library -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock and Rule Zope Rocks -- http://www.zope.org Python Rules -- http://www.python.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/webmaster/ Voice: 828 262 6587 FAX: 828 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From dvanarsd at systema.westark.edu Thu Dec 16 15:16:40 1999 From: dvanarsd at systema.westark.edu (Dennis VanArsdale) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Requiring a login for Internet use Message-ID: <292704446C2@gw.westark.edu> Please excuse cross-posting, but I am using archived messages from both IUG and Web4Lib for other help and perhaps you can advise on this: We need to allow allow everyone to use databases through the Internet (from menus and links) but prevent _some_ users from surfing the Web at large. I would appreciate suggestions from other libraries on how they handle this kind of problem, with or without Innopac WAM. (For details, see below) Background: We are an academic library which is also open for use by the public. However, to prevent Internet abuse, we prefer to allow Internet use only by students/faculty/staff and forbid open use by the general public (including the children of our students while the students are busy studying in the library). Open Internet is available at the public library branches; we are not depriving anyone of access, just trying to limit abuse and avoid demands for filters on our PCs. It would also cut down on the "policing" function of staff and preserve the "research" function of the workstations. (So, no debates, please, as this is a limited-time matter rather than a civil-rights matter.) The catch is, we want the public to be able to use the OPAC and the databases we license (which is permitted _within_ the library), but require some kind of logon protection so that the public cannot use the Netscape 4.x location bar (and, if possible, links at the database sites) to "escape" to surf the Web. We have Windows 95 on our workstations (Pentium IIs and IIIs), a campus Novell network, INNOPAC Release 12 and the Web Access Management which only handles asking for authorization to use the databases. It does not cover the rest of the Web. We have WINSelect 3.32 (now upgrading to 3.33) Kiosk and Policy (but unfortunately, their Logoff program does not agree with our Novell system, as opposed to NT, it seems -- results vary, but too often lead to lockup and having to reboot). ################################################### Dennis G. Van Arsdale, Technical Services Librarian Boreham Library, Westark College********* P.O. Box 3649 Fort Smith ARkansas 72913-3649 (501) 788-7206 -- dvanarsd@systema.westark.edu http://www.westark.edu ################################################### From bandis at indiana.edu Thu Dec 16 15:12:33 1999 From: bandis at indiana.edu (Andis, Betty Jean) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: Professional Staff Vacancy Message-ID: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA023083F3@delaware.exchange.indiana.edu> INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON LIBRARIES Position Title: Library Web Administrator Rank: PA15 Position Number: 010Y2M Account Number: 10-474-11 DEPARTMENT OR BRANCH LIBRARY: Libraries DESCRIPTION OF POSITION: Develop and maintain the Indiana University Bloomington Libraries Web site, serving as lead in the Web architecture; oversee and implement redesign of current Web site utilizing recommendations of usability and Web architecture consultants' reports; in consultation with the Associate Dean and Director of Collection Development, establishes priorities for core collections and database content descriptions; monitor and implement appropriate changes in Web technology and software in cooperation with technical support staff; work with Associate Dean and Director of Technical Services to integrate technical services work into the Web presentation of library resources; head the Web Policy Committee and the Web Working Team; coordinate development and implementation of a usability plan for the IUB Libraries Web site; represent libraries in appropriate University groups and committees; establish guidelines and policies to regulate the Web site in concert with a Advisory Group; coordinate training of staff and the use of Web development tools to support a decentralized network of Web developers; carry out new projects as appropriate. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: MLS/MIS or equivalent in experience and education; demonstrated success in development and maintenance of a complex Web site; knowledge of Web architecture principles with understanding of graphic design elements; project management/leadership skills; collaborative/consensus building skills; sophisticated understanding of the role of technology in the provision of information resources/services; excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong organizational skills; creativity; user-focus; problem-solving skills; UNIX, Advanced HTML, CGI programming, Perl, and JavaScript. Preferred: Understanding of academic institutions and libraries; knowledge of Web accessibility/usability norms and guidelines. Familiarity with content of academic electronic resources databases. Please include a letter of application, a professional vita, and names, addresses, and phone number of four references. APPLY TO: Yolanda Cooper-Birdine DATE LISTED: August 31, 1999 Libraries Human Resources Main Library C-201 DATE CLOSED: Review of applications begins 10/31/99 and remains open until filled From dan at 84.com Thu Dec 16 19:50:54 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] wireless within a building In-Reply-To: <38590AFA.D4A8E5C5@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991216174904.00bc43d0@mail.adaptive.net> At 09:09 AM 12/16/99 -0800, Thomas Edelblute wrote: >Are there any libraries out there using wireless technologies to address >their cabling needs within a building. Radio? Infrared? E.T.'s >telephone? Boise State has maxed out all of the wiring we put in when remodeling the building in 94. We put in "all we'd ever need". Yeah, right. We expect to put in wireless next year, RF, not IR. It is used a number of other places on campus. In addition, some students are getting RF network cards in laptops, so we'll probably add some facility for them, too. We currently have some 74 net jacks with DHCP connections for students with laptops and net cards. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From avi at spertus.edu Thu Dec 16 20:12:25 1999 From: avi at spertus.edu (Avi Janssen) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: kiosk Message-ID: <000001bf482b$c77fd360$0270b9ce@spertus.edu> I need to create a secure, tamper-proof kiosk that runs only Netscape or Internet Explorer and is restricted to one particular web page and several sub-pages. * I successfully locked-down the PC via user profiles and system policies so that the desktop is completely empty. * I read the great tutorial on kiosking Netscape at http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/netscape.html. From there I also learned how to limit the user to that one particular site. * But I still need to navigate WITHIN the site, so I need the navigation bar. Therefore super-kiosk mode won't help. And then I'll need to disable or remove all the buttons except Back, Forward, and Home. * And I still need to disable the Close command with the mouse or Alt-F4. * And I would like a way to idiot-proof my machine. In my setup, you still have to log-on and type in "password" as the password. Any other ideas? Any way to automatically reboot the machine if it freezes? I heard about Rebound! (http://www.sophisticated.com/software/sw_pkrb.html), but that's only for Macs. I'm looking into DeepFreeze and WinSelect by Hyper Technologies (http://www.hypertec.com/). Any other ideas? Avi Janssen Information Services Manager Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies 618 S. Michigan Ave. Chicago, IL 60605 voice: 312-322-1736 fax: 312-922-6406 pager: 888-786-6828 From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Thu Dec 16 21:14:26 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] kiosk In-Reply-To: <000001bf482b$c77fd360$0270b9ce@spertus.edu> Message-ID: Avi, You can manipulate the superkiosk mode to include the toolbar for navigation - an example of a browser setup like that appears on the instruction pages for the superkiosk mode. Essentialy, you set the browser to open in superkiosk mode and use the instructions from the regular kiosk mode to open a new window [still in -sk mode] with whatever features you want. Also, I know include instructions on how to disable the short-cut keys but with this caveat! If you run in superkiosk mode with the shortcut keys disabled, there is no way to exit from the browser [unless you do this with javascript in a page - I haven't tried that though] so you need to make sure that you include a way to close the application outside of the browser. You can "disable" some buttons in the prefs.js file. Also, you can automate logins with the TweakUI utility from Microsoft. However, if you need a 100% reliable kiosk browser, I would look at some of the third-party products built on either IE or NN. Although there is a cost involved, they do give you a degree of control that simply isn't available with these free methods. They work in most situations but I can't guarantee them! Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Avi Janssen wrote: > I need to create a secure, tamper-proof kiosk that runs only Netscape or > Internet Explorer and is restricted to one particular web page and several > sub-pages. > > * I successfully locked-down the PC via user profiles and system policies so > that the desktop is completely empty. > * I read the great tutorial on kiosking Netscape at > http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/netscape.html. From there I also learned > how to limit the user to that one particular site. > > * But I still need to navigate WITHIN the site, so I need the navigation > bar. Therefore super-kiosk mode won't help. And then I'll need to disable > or remove all the buttons except Back, Forward, and Home. > * And I still need to disable the Close command with the mouse or Alt-F4. > * And I would like a way to idiot-proof my machine. In my setup, you still > have to log-on and type in "password" as the password. Any other ideas? > Any way to automatically reboot the machine if it freezes? I heard about > Rebound! (http://www.sophisticated.com/software/sw_pkrb.html), but that's > only for Macs. I'm looking into DeepFreeze and WinSelect by Hyper > Technologies (http://www.hypertec.com/). Any other ideas? > > Avi Janssen > Information Services Manager > Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies > 618 S. Michigan Ave. > Chicago, IL 60605 > voice: 312-322-1736 > fax: 312-922-6406 > pager: 888-786-6828 > From dbell at loc.gov Fri Dec 17 08:14:58 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Conservation Implications of Digitization paper Message-ID: <385A3752.707EE7DC@loc.gov> This announcement is being sent to a number of lists. Apologies for any duplication. ************************** The Library of Congress National Digital Library Program and the Conservation Division announce the release of the paper ?Conservation Implications of Digitization Projects?. It is available at the Background Papers and Technical Information page in the American Memory website as a two-part PDF document. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ftpfiles.html The paper was produced with the support of the NDLP, by NDLP staff in the Conservation Division and the Conservation liaisons to the NDLP who all have worked as an integral part of our Conversion Group in the planning, processing and production of the now more than sixty collections available online through American Memory. The multi-faceted and precedent setting role which conservation plays in digital image conversion projects in the NDLP in the areas of consultation, training, and treatment for scanning is discussed. Such activities include: consultation on space, environment, equipment, training of contractor and NDLP staff, and conservation review for scanning and associated treatment. A major goal of the NDLP has been to assure that all items scanned within the program are carefully evaluated and treated or protected throughout the process. Also included are files for the handouts prepared for the required course developed for NDLP and contractor staff ?Care and Handling of Library Materials for Digital Scanning?. Additional information will appear in the coming months which will provide details regarding experience with specific NDLP collections. Please send all comments and questions about these documents to ndlpcoll@loc.gov. From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 17 09:24:07 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Article from Chronicle Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA959@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Thought every one would like to see this. This is from the free version of Academe this Week for those of you worried about copyright. Bill Drew _____ The Chronicle of Higher Education Friday, December 17, 1999 Few Colleges Provide Training for Designers of Libraries' Web Sites, Study Finds By VINCENT KIERNAN Large public colleges and universities are stingy with training for the staff members who create their libraries' Web pages, a new study suggests. Most creators of the library sites learned the skills for Web-page design on their own, not in formal classes, the study found. In general, colleges and universities do not provide financial support for self-instruction or time off to compensate for hours spent learning Web skills. The study, published this month in the journal Internet Research, is based on a survey sent in January 1997 to the authors of library Web pages at 226 public colleges and universities with at least 7,500 full-time employees. The author of the study is Beth Evans, an assistant professor in the library at Brooklyn College of the City University of New York. Of the 124 institutions that responded to Ms. Evans' survey, 78 per cent reported that their libraries' Web sites had been created by librarians, while 20 percent reported that the work had been performed by a non-librarian. All of the non-librarians and 94 per cent of the librarians who created Web pages said that their Web skills were "largely self-taught," according to the study. A key reason may be that few colleges and universities provided either time or financial support for formal training: Only 37 per cent of the Web authors said their institutions gave then time off for such classes, and only 19 per cent received financial support. And only a handful of institutions assisted staff members who attempted to teach themselves the necessary skills. Seven Web authors in the survey said they got time off for self instruction, and three received financial support, such as reimbursement for books. Ms. Evans warns that, over time, stinginess toward staff development may be reflected in the quality of libraries' Web sites. "The less that an institution invests in giving its Web authors skills to do their jobs, the less likely they are too produce an exemplary product," she writes. David G. Schwartz, editor of Internet Research and a professor of information systems at Bar-Ilan University, in Israel, said that the paper should serve as a wake-up call to library administrators. "There are fundamental changes that must take place in the training and responsibilities of librarians in order to make the transition into the Internet age," he said. "Libraries that choose to ignore it are risking their traditional position as providers of information and doing so at their own peril." _____ Today's news | Information technology | This week's Chronicle | Publishing | Money Government & politics | New grant competitions | Opinion & arts | International | People & events Information bank | Issues in depth | Jobs | Search the site | Site map _____ About The Chronicle | How to register | How to subscribe | How to advertise | Privacy policy | Feedback | Help _____ Copyright ? 1999 by The Chronicle of Higher Education From David at KCLIBRARY.ORG Fri Dec 17 10:07:13 1999 From: David at KCLIBRARY.ORG (David (David King)) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Article from Chronicle Message-ID: > "Most creators of the library sites learned the > skills for Web-page design on their own, not in > formal classes" ... "The study ... is based on a > survey sent in January 1997 to the authors of > library Web pages" This survey was sent in Jan '97, which means that those librarians' web sites were created in 95-96. Question: how many formal classes WERE THERE in 95-96? Some, certainly - but not many. My library school had a small unit on HTML within an Internet Skills class (other units focused on FTP, gopher [egad!], searching, and probably other stuff - I didn't take it). > All of the non-librarians and 94 per cent of the > librarians who created Web pages said that their > Web skills were "largely self-taught" Back then, HTML wasn't hard to learn. One didn't have to worry about tables, javascript, applets, Shockwave, PDF files, imbedded pages, web-accessible relational databases, etc. Many pages were simply Gopher pages transferred over to the web. Rather than wasting time in a semester-long formal class, one could view the HTML source code for an hour or so, experiment for another, and voila! he/she suddenly had HTML skills. > "A key reason may be that few colleges and > universities provided either time or financial > support for formal training" I'd say the key reason wasn't time or support. There just weren't many places to formally learn HTML, AND it was easy enough that those people simply didn't need the training. ____________________________________________ David King, Information Technology Librarian Kansas City Public Library david@kclibrary.org From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 17 11:01:54 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: BlackICE software Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA95B@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Has anyone found a freeware or shareware equivalent to BlackICE? ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From jahb at lehigh.edu Fri Dec 17 11:18:02 1999 From: jahb at lehigh.edu (Jennifer Heise) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [Fwd: RE: [WEB4LIB] RE: Article from Chronicle] Message-ID: <385A623A.C1CBF75E@lehigh.edu> David correctly points out my typo. I believe it was in 1994? Certainly way before 1997. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [WEB4LIB] RE: Article from Chronicle Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:48:58 -0600 From: "David (David King)" To: "'Jennifer Heise'" > I took a formal class in 1991. *smile* Syracuse > University was offering it. I think my library > and institution got their $500 worth out of me. Wow! That's amazing, since Tim Berners-Lee's initial prototype of the web wasn't created until December 1990. ____________________________________ David King, Information Technology Librarian Kansas City Public Library david@kclibrary.org From pbinkley at library.ualberta.ca Fri Dec 17 12:05:30 1999 From: pbinkley at library.ualberta.ca (Peter Binkley) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] BlackICE software In-Reply-To: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA95B@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> Message-ID: <000601bf48b0$ed323dc0$201b8081@cam027032.library.ualberta.ca> Steve Gibson, of Gibson Research (makes of SpinRite), has apparently been developing one, but now I see on his site that he has just recently been given a pre-release sample of a free firewall that will be released soon. He says on his site: "In the late afternoon of Friday, December 3rd, I spoke with executives of a highly reputable company who informed me that they would soon ? potentially within a few weeks ? release a very comprehensive, completely free, firewall! They will be soliciting my feedback about the product by providing me with a pre-release sample of this new, free, firewall within a week. As soon as I know more I will update this information. (PLEASE DO NOT write to ask us about it. Everything I know will be provided here, online.) But I've got to tell you, based upon their description of this new firewall's capabilities, I'm VERY excited!" This is from http://www.grc.com/su-firewalls.htm at the bottom of the page. You'll also find a link to his "Shields Up!" home page there, where you can have your ports scanned etc. (I think it was mentioned on this list a few weeks ago). All the best, Peter Binkley From ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov Fri Dec 17 12:15:52 1999 From: ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov (Chizuko Kawamoto) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Web design question Message-ID: Pam Davies wrote: I found it very surprising that although he mentioned the color as a "standard" he didn't mention underlining of text as an even more standard "here is a link" indicator. Some colour changes are too subtle to be noticed easily, especially in a "light" type like larger fonts of Arial, making links very tricky to spot. I have no problem with the choice of colour for links, but I prefer them underlined! I have a weird browser problem related to the underlining link. Most of Internet sites I visit do not show underlines, including my own library home page. As far as my own page is concerned, underlines show up when the font size is the default but not when the specific size is coded. I'm using Netscape 4.5 on NT 4.0, but I don't think this is the factor, because I've visited other workstations (the same ghosted machines) and they show underlines as intended. Does anyone have a clue? Chizuko Kawamoto ckawamoto@cdpr.ca.gov From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Dec 17 12:14:54 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Article from Chronicle Message-ID: David King (David@KCLIBRARY.ORG) wrote: >This survey was sent in Jan '97, which means that those librarians' web >sites were created in 95-96. Question: how many formal classes WERE THERE >in 95-96? We (UC Berkeley Library) had started full-blown HTML classes for our own library staff by February 1995, and repeated almost monthly throughout that year. This was in support of library staff to assist in developing our server, which was publicly announced that Fall (it was actually available much sooner, however). But what we found was that offering the classes was easy. Having staff attend, and then do something with what they learned, was quite another thing. Roy From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Fri Dec 17 12:25:25 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Article from Chronicle Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA95F@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I'm beginning to wonder who she actually surveyed. I have gotten several messages privately on the article and most librarians had and continue to have support in learning what is necessary in creating library websites. Most learned on their own but that seemed to be more of an individual choice. Academic libraries also appear to be purchasing many books on web publishing and related technologies. ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From msauers at bcr.org Fri Dec 17 12:26:48 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Web design question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have a weird browser problem related to the underlining link. > Most of Internet sites I visit do not show underlines, including > my own library home page. As far as my own page is concerned, > underlines show up when the font size is the default but not when > the specific size is coded. I'm using Netscape 4.5 on NT 4.0, > but I don't think this is the factor, because I've visited other > workstations (the same ghosted machines) and they show underlines > as intended. Does anyone have a clue? Please provide URLs of example sites so we can look at the source code. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.dealpilot.com/?partner=1307 "I want to know what good is a Web search engine that returns 324,909,188 'matches' to my key word. That's like saying, 'Good news, we've located the product you're looking for. It's on Earth.'" --W. Bruce Cameron Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov Fri Dec 17 13:47:47 1999 From: ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov (Chizuko Kawamoto) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Use of underlining (was "Web design question") Message-ID: Erwin Wodarczak wrote: I'm one of those people who turns off underlining on their browser. I find that underlining tends to clutter up a page. But, to each his/her own. An alternative to underlining, especially on light type or if you're using a non-standard link colour (especially if it's a lighter colour), is to put all links in bold-face. See http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/ as an example. Erwin, I vaguely remember the feature to turn off underlining in older version of Netscape, but I cannot find it in ver. 4.5. What do you do to turn off or on underlining on your browser? Your example has underlining for all links when I view at my co-workers' workstations, but at my machine, I see underlining only for "more contact information..." and "British Columbia." Chizuko Kawamoto ckawamoto@cdpr.ca.gov From ewodar at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Dec 17 13:58:19 1999 From: ewodar at interchange.ubc.ca (Erwin Wodarczak) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of underlining (was "Web design question") References: Message-ID: <385A87CB.2CD7876B@interchange.ubc.ca> As I only have Netscape 4.07, I'm not sure I can answer that. Doesn't your version have "Edit - Preferences - Appearance - Colors", with a check-box for "Underline Links"? Chizuko Kawamoto wrote: > > Erwin Wodarczak wrote: > I'm one of those people who turns off underlining on their browser. [snippage] > > Erwin, > I vaguely remember the feature to turn off underlining in older version of Netscape, but I cannot find it in ver. 4.5. What do you do to turn off or on underlining on your browser? Your example has underlining for all links when I view at my co-workers' workstations, but at my machine, I see underlining only for "more contact information..." and "British Columbia." > Chizuko Kawamoto > ckawamoto@cdpr.ca.gov -- Erwin Wodarczak Records Analyst / Archivist UBC Library - Special Collections and University Archives Tel: (604) 822-5877 Fax: (604) 822-9587 E-mail: ewodar@interchange.ubc.ca WWW: http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/ "We do precision guesswork, based on vague assumptions and unreliable data of dubious accuracy" From ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov Fri Dec 17 14:07:17 1999 From: ckawamoto at cdpr.ca.gov (Chizuko Kawamoto) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of underlining (was "Web design question") Message-ID: Andrew Mutch showed me where to go to turn on underlining. I checked the Colors in Preference, and it has been checked for underlining. What else can I do to stop this selective underlining behavior? Chizuko Kawamoto ckawamoto@cdpr.ca.gov From jtifft at fuzzy.mitre.org Fri Dec 17 15:07:50 1999 From: jtifft at fuzzy.mitre.org (Jeanne Tifft) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: Job Posting: The MITRE Corporation Message-ID: <385A9816.E0E285F4@fuzzy.mitre.org> Request Number: R103-172 Reference Librarian/Cybrarian required in a high-technology environment. See http://www.mitre.org/jobs/html/mitre.corp.jobs-avail.535.html for posting and application instructions. Date Posted: 99/12/06 Category: Washington Exempt Job Title: Information Analyst II Description: This position fills a key function of MITRE's InfoDesk, a virtual reference and research service using state-of-the art techniques and technologies. The incumbent must be able to work independently and function as part of a high performance team, responding to requests for information and assistance in using internal and external information resources. Two primary roles are serving as a Virginia-based senior member and mentor of a team providing the service from physical locations in Virginia and Massachusetts; and providing research and current awareness services to various corporate executive offices. Desired background includes one or more of the following: a demonstrated knowledge of Congress, Federal government legislative and budgetary processes; corporate business and operations issues; and the telecommunications and information technology industries. The position also requires expertise in using online content resources, including open web resources and licensed sources such as OCLC, Lexis-Nexis, Dialog, and IEEE. The incumbent must have strong interpersonal communication skills, interviewing skills, and a strong service orientation. The incumbent will have experience with common desktop software. Extensive Internet and Web skills, including html authoring, are desirable. Excellent presentation skills are also highly desirable. Education/Experience Required: MLS from an ALA-accredited graduate program plus 2-4 years' experience in an advanced technology-oriented corporate or government special library or information center, with evidence of professional growth. Preferred: Direct experience in reference, current awareness, and alert services. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeanne D. Tifft Tel: (703) 883-7817 Section Manager, Research Services Fax: (703) 883-5684 Corporate Information Management email: jtifft@mitre.org The MITRE Corporation 1820 Dolley Madison Boulevard McLean, VA 22102-3481 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From stephanie at friendcalib.org Fri Dec 17 16:43:32 1999 From: stephanie at friendcalib.org (Stephanie Stokes) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: "Ask A Librarian." Graphics now online. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991217134332.009c8ae0@shell5.ba.best.com> For the ins & outs/ups & downs (inputs and outputs/uploads and downloads) of e-reference don't miss Karen Schneider's excellent 'Internet Librarian' column in the January 2000 issue of 'American Libraries' now online at (http://www.ala.org/alonline/netlib/il100.html). Then when you are ready to enhance your e-reference Web page pay a visit to 'Library Media & PR' and pick your favorite FREE graphic image. Stephanie Stokes "Library Media & PR" http://www.ssdesign.com/librarypr P.S. Thanks Karen! :-> From jul at oclc.org Fri Dec 17 17:09:00 1999 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Article from Chronicle Message-ID: Roy: You said: > But what we found was > that offering the classes was easy. Having staff attend, and then > do something with what they learned, was quite another thing. What are some of the key success factors that may have been absent? * Vision and strategy [Were participants or would-be participants able to relate the course to a clear and compelling organizational/departmental/unit vision and strategy to which they had individual commitment?] * Management support and encouragement [Was it abundantly clear that management supported and actively encouraged participation in these courses? Was the message disseminated equally throughout the organization? With equal support?] * Resources [Did participants have sufficient resources--computers, system accounts, network access, storage space, etc.--to easily integrate the new knowledge into everyday work flows?] * Time (to take the classes) [Could the current work load be managed to provide sufficient time to take the classes? Were individuals empowered to structure their work individually to find the necessary time? Did management support the use of time for this purpose?] * Time (to do anything with the new knowledge) [Was the new knowledge related to anything that the participants were doing or *could be* doing on the job? Were participants able to find time on the job to practice the newly learned tasks?] * Benefits [Was the course offered with a clear statement of potential benefits to the individual and the organization? Were the participants able to answer the question, What's in it for me?] * Aptitude and orientation [Were the participants or would-be participants naturally oriented toward new technologies? Did they prefer the status quo?] * Motivation [Related to issues above. Were participants or would-be participants personally motivated to take the courses? If not, why not?] * Reward system [What direct rewards, in whole or in part, were available to participants apart from the opportunity to gain new knowledge? More interesting, challenging, and exciting work opportunities? The chance to make a difference? New job classifications? Pay raise? Promotion? Other?] * Follow-up [What specific activities or programs were in place to follow-up with participants after the classes to assist their continued learning and the integration of new skills into the job?] Other? I'd be interested in what you have learned over the years, how you have addressed this apparent reluctance, and whether and to what extent you believe that the symptoms and behaviors that you observed still exist. And I would be interested in hearing from anyone else with similar problems or experience. Regards, --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org From avirr at LanMinds.Com Fri Dec 17 17:31:21 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Use of underlining (was "Web design question") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Erwin Wodarczak wrote: >I'm one of those people who turns off underlining on their browser. >I find that underlining tends to clutter up a page. But, to each >his/her own. An alternative to underlining, especially on light >type or if you're using a non-standard link colour (especially if >it's a lighter colour), is to put all links in bold-face. See >http://www.library.ubc.ca/spcoll/ as an example. When I write a web page, I use bold for emphasis and organizational cues. There aren't many typographical options for these -- pretty much just bold and italic (which is hard to read online). I like the idea of separating markup and presentation, and allowing the browsers to render links to you as you wish to see them, rather than controlling it on the server end. Maybe we'll have more options with CSS, and maybe fewer... Avi ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From CROKKE at sacramento.lib.ca.us Fri Dec 17 21:27:29 1999 From: CROKKE at sacramento.lib.ca.us (CAROLYN ROKKE) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Article from Chronicle Message-ID: My 2 cents worth: I lived in central Illinois from 1994 until this year. When I was given the "mission" to create a library web page, there was no place to take a class. Even the private companies (which charge a fortune anyway) were scrambling to put something together. I signed up three times at the community college (summer, fall, then spring) before a class finally got off the ground. I started the class in the spring of '98 - 2 months after I'd finshed creating the initial web site. I used Netscape Gold, found it was easier to write HTML after attending an ILA pre-conference where I learned that tables were the key to it all, but really winged it. Was it a professional looking page? NO! But the content was good :-) I'm sure it partly depends on where you lived when web creation was newly popular, whether there was even a class to be taken. Carolyn Carolyn Rokke Automation Program Manager Sacramento Public Library Sacramento, CA 95814 crokke@sacramento.lib.ca.us From mmhung at hknet.com Sun Dec 19 18:03:52 1999 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:55 2005 Subject: teacher librarians need to develop Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991220070352.006cf520@hknet.com> dear friends as we have asked the education department to lead the overall development of the school libraries in hongkong, they are now looking for several ideas 1. criteria of choosing library automation system 2. professional training curriculum of teacher-librarian we really need that in a hurry hope you can help *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From stbowers at lj.cahners.com Mon Dec 20 10:17:36 1999 From: stbowers at lj.cahners.com (Bowers, Stacey (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 20, 1999 Message-ID: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 20, 1999 --> http://www.libraryjournal.com NEWS --> "ALA Releases Draft of Core Values Statement" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13069.asp "Pittsburgh-area County Commissioners Cancel Possible Library Cut" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13068.asp "Statewide Tax Cut Causes Spokane PL to Cut Hours" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13067.asp "MBNA Education Foundation Give $1 Million Gift to Rockland PL" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13066.asp "University of Virginia Joins Digital Library Federation" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13065.asp "Librarian Salary Hearings Set in NY" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13064.asp "LC Develops Web Site with Russians" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13063.asp "Volunteer-based Web Directory Gains Ground" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13062.asp "New Seattle Public Library Design Unveiled" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991220_13061.asp INFOTECH --> "Suffolk County System Installs Gale's Total Access" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/infotech/news/infotechindex.asp BOOK NEWS --> "Joseph Heller Dies at 76" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/booknews/booknewsindex.asp CLASSIC RETURNS --> The first new translation of Isaac Newton in 270 years, and more. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/classicreturns/classicreturnsindex.a sp ALSO ON LJDIGITAL --> EDITORIAL Digital Democracy? Not Yet! It is easier to unplug, monitor, and manipulate online information http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/views/editorial/editorialindex.asp NOMINATE A SUPPORT STAFFER! Library Journal is accepting nominations for its first-ever Paraprofessional of the Year award, to be announced in the March 15, 2000 issue. Find out how to submit nominations here: http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991129_12825.asp *************************** Stacey Bowers Producer LJ Digital http://www.ljdigital.com stbowers@lj.cahners.com 212.337.7054 *************************** From eckleyt at mville.edu Mon Dec 20 14:18:18 1999 From: eckleyt at mville.edu (Tami-Jo Eckley) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: web "masters" Message-ID: <199912201418.AA1878589670@mail.mville.edu> I was wondering if there is anyone out there in academic land, who is a librarian working on their library's web site, and who is also responsible for their entire college or university web site as well? I look forward to your responses and I hope someone exists in this position. Happy Holidays! -- Tami-Jo Eckley Electronic Services & Media Librarian Manhattanville College Library Purchase, New York 10577 http://www.mville.edu/library ______________________________________ -- From zalbenrl at alverno.edu Mon Dec 20 15:03:23 1999 From: zalbenrl at alverno.edu (Robin L Zalben) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: Limiting printing Message-ID: <385E8B8A.8A9B43F3@alverno.edu> We are currently using Winselect to limit printing to 15 pages in the library. Since the college labs use Foolproof (and we can get it for almost $18 less per machine) I'd like to switch to that for security BUT...it doesn't limit printing. Does anyone have any freeware/shareware program which will allow us to limit printing? This is only for use with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. One thought I had was finding a way to lock in print pages 1-15 in the printing options, but then if someone had a legitimate need to print pages 16-30, they wouldn't be able to. Any thoughts? Robin From catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us Mon Dec 20 17:25:57 1999 From: catherine at leo.scsl.state.sc.us (Catherine Buck Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... Message-ID: <385EACF5.A9E0B22@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> Last month, one of our pcs quit booting up in the morning. It would stall at the second Windows screen. There were no errors to indicate any problems. After rebooting five or six times, the machine would finally come up. And it would run like a charm. So far, no fix. (Pentium Win95) Lo and behold, last week we had another machine behave in the same manner. This one will eventually boot up in safe mode, and then it will reboot and come up normally. Sometimes, it has to be booted several times before we can get it to run in safe mode. I even changed out the network card on this one. (Pentium Win95) The first machine I was able to take out of production. I've stripped everything down to the operating system, and then upgraded it to Win98. It still will not boot cold. Both machines have Mcafee virus software on them, with up-to-date dat files. Any ideas? TIA, and HH! -- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8666 Fax 803.734.8676 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. From SNelson at ben.edu Mon Dec 20 17:36:08 1999 From: SNelson at ben.edu (Nelson, Sharon) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... Message-ID: <535DB18C45ACD311AA9700902745E447294D35@adminpo.ben.edu> Have you tried a scandisk and a disk defrag (and doing the defrag whether Windows says it "needs" it or not)? We had an older PC that was doing the same thing (had to reboot it several times before it would come up, then it would only come up in Safe mode) and that fixed it. Sharon Sharon L. Nelson Reference/Technology Librarian Lownik Library, Benedictine University Lisle, IL 60532 snelson@ben.edu -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Buck Morgan [mailto:catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us] Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 4:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... Last month, one of our pcs quit booting up in the morning. It would stall at the second Windows screen. There were no errors to indicate any problems. After rebooting five or six times, the machine would finally come up. And it would run like a charm. So far, no fix. (Pentium Win95) Lo and behold, last week we had another machine behave in the same manner. This one will eventually boot up in safe mode, and then it will reboot and come up normally. Sometimes, it has to be booted several times before we can get it to run in safe mode. I even changed out the network card on this one. (Pentium Win95) The first machine I was able to take out of production. I've stripped everything down to the operating system, and then upgraded it to Win98. It still will not boot cold. Both machines have Mcafee virus software on them, with up-to-date dat files. Any ideas? TIA, and HH! -- Catherine Buck Morgan Automation Librarian South Carolina State Library EMAIL: catherine@leo.scsl.state.sc.us Phone: 803.734.8666 Fax 803.734.8676 Home page: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/ Web catalog: http://www.state.sc.us/scsl/scslweb/welcome.html The opinions stated herein are not necessarily those of SCSL. From dan at 84.com Mon Dec 20 18:56:48 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... In-Reply-To: <385EACF5.A9E0B22@leo.scsl.state.sc.us> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991220165516.00bd8a60@mail.adaptive.net> At 02:26 PM 12/20/99 -0800, Catherine Buck Morgan wrote: >The first machine I was able to take out of production. I've stripped >everything down to the operating system, and then upgraded it to Win98. >It still will not boot cold. When something is this funky, I'd take it down to a low level disk format. That is the only way to start it totally clean. If that doesn't do it, you have a problem with the motherboard or the CPU or the RAM, most likely. If necessary, you can start swapping those pieces. Good luck and happy holidays dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dlords at library.utah.edu Mon Dec 20 20:07:10 1999 From: dlords at library.utah.edu (Debra Lords) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... References: <4.2.2.19991220165516.00bd8a60@mail.adaptive.net> Message-ID: <385ED2BE.876E4233@library.utah.edu> It sounds like either your Media descriptor byte may have gotten corrupted or your boot sector is screwed up. Also, when you format the drive, start with an fdisk /MBR to clean off the boot record. Then use fdisk again to wipe out all partitions and re-create them. Only then do a full low level disk format for DOS, being sure to add the system files. Once that is done, if you have access to Norton Utilities for DOS, run that to be sure the boot sector and Media descriptor byte on your drive isn't ruined. Even a low level format won't necessarily fix that, but Norton sometimes can. Hope this helps. Dan Lester wrote: > > At 02:26 PM 12/20/99 -0800, Catherine Buck Morgan wrote: > >The first machine I was able to take out of production. I've stripped > >everything down to the operating system, and then upgraded it to Win98. > >It still will not boot cold. > > When something is this funky, I'd take it down to a low level disk > format. That is the only way to start it totally clean. If that doesn't > do it, you have a problem with the motherboard or the CPU or the RAM, most > likely. If necessary, you can start swapping those pieces. > > Good luck and happy holidays > > dan > > -- > Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ -- Debbie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Debra Lords Experience is what you dlords@library.utah.edu have just right after ACLIS Labs you need it. 585-9810 From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Dec 20 22:56:38 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:56 2005 Subject: Dealing With The Online Problem Patron Message-ID: <00e101bf4b67$654fb360$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> Do you have anecdotes and lessons-learned about dealing with problem patrons in the online environment--people who misuse equipment or resources, offsite or on? How about tried-and-true procedures, staff training, and other activities to help cope with the person who violates library policy? How do you balance patron privacy with accountability? For an upcoming column in American Libraries, I'd like to hear from you, and don't forget your name, address, organization, city and state. Input is due by midnight Friday, December 24. Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY http://www.shenpublib.org From middlem at uhls.lib.ny.us Tue Dec 21 12:56:19 1999 From: middlem at uhls.lib.ny.us (Marcia S. Middleton) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Windows NT Utilities Message-ID: <385FBF43.13A99C50@uhls.lib.ny.us> Albany Public Library is relatively new to NT Server 4.0. We're looking for some recommendations for basic NT disk utilities. NT itself does not come with a defrag utility, though I've been told that the available utilities do not really defrag the drive anyway. Has anyone else dealt with this? Any recommendations? What should we be looking for? Thanks in advance, Marcia S. Middleton Albany Public Library 161 Washington Avenue Albany, NY 12210 518.427.4331 middlem@uhls.lib.ny.us From kimlord at suffield-library.org Tue Dec 21 13:08:02 1999 From: kimlord at suffield-library.org (Kim Lord) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: BlackICE software In-Reply-To: <000601bf48b0$ed323dc0$201b8081@cam027032.library.ualberta. ca> Message-ID: <199912211304187.SM00231@reference> >This is from http://www.grc.com/su-firewalls.htm at the bottom of the page. >You'll also find a link to his "Shields Up!" home page there, where you can >have your ports scanned etc. (I think it was mentioned on this list a few >weeks ago). Hi all, Actually I had mentioned this Shieldsup utility on this list a few weeks ago. (Realized later that the link to the article I mentioned was no longer working.) Being largely self taught myself and dependent on volunteer computer consultants, we put a large emphasize on securing workstations from potential hackers that are sitting in front of the machine. This web site (grc.com) and the shieldsup scanner was quite an education in security, or lack there of, from the outside. What I was pleased with is Mr. Gibson seems to have put quite alot of effort into explanation and easy to follow instructions on how to fix some of the security holes. I would suggest taking a look at this site and running shieldsup, even if you think you probably don't have any security issues. We are part of a larger consortium and and where very surprised at the volume of information that shieldsup was able to get off of our workstations. Needless to say, we are now in the market for a firewall. Kim Lord Kent Library Suffield CT kimlord@suffield-library.org From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Tue Dec 21 13:14:03 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Windows NT Utilities Message-ID: <991221131403.42a3@sals.edu> >Albany Public Library is relatively new to NT Server 4.0. We're looking >for some recommendations for basic NT disk utilities. NT itself does >not come with a defrag utility, though I've been told that the available >utilities do not really defrag the drive anyway. We used to order Norton Utilities for all our NT machines. We no longer do this for the public PCs because it seemed unnecessary. File recovery is not an issue because most of them won't allow saves anyway, and for the infrequent problems we usually reinstall anyway, so fragmentation isn't really a problem. There is also the fact that we seem to be upgrading our browsers a couple of times a year, so even PCs which aren't having problems are wiped clean periodically. We do still install Norton on staff PCs, and they are defragged occasionally. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From cathy_cox at wvmccd.cc.ca.us Tue Dec 21 13:25:13 1999 From: cathy_cox at wvmccd.cc.ca.us (Cathy Cox) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Uploading graphics Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991221095925.009ad180@mcmail> Our library website has been, till now, deliberately designed with minimal graphics. However, we're building a new library and I want to include a page with scans of the artist's renderings - separate page so that people don't have to load them if they don't want to. For some reason, I can't get the images to display. I have two graphics which I've optimized down to around 35-40K each, and they display nicely in my editor. But when I upload the finished page to our server, all I can see are the ALT descriptions. . . no images. I'm working with Visual Page 2.0, and uploading via FTP Voyager 6.2.0. The graphics files look like they're uploading correctly; the links look ok in the source; and I have the feeling that I'm missing something really basic. Any suggestions would be appreciated! The problem page is at http://www.wvmccd.cc.ca.us/mc/lib/LibImage.html, for anyone who wants to take a look. Catherine Cox Electronic Resources Librarian Mission College Library Santa Clara, CA cathy_cox@wvmccd.cc.ca.us From davidb at spl.org Tue Dec 21 13:34:41 1999 From: davidb at spl.org (dAVe burlingame) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Uploading graphics In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991221095925.009ad180@mcmail> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Cathy Cox wrote: :For some reason, I can't get the images to display. I have two graphics :which I've optimized down to around 35-40K each, and they display nicely in :my editor. But when I upload the finished page to our server, all I can :see are the ALT descriptions. . . no images. first guess...could your ftp program be transferring the images, but forcing a lower-case name? is "Rendering" showing up as "rendering?" it's for that very reason we never use caps for file names; makes for confusion in the long run. i'm sure, if this is indeed the case, your ftp program will have an option to deselect (or select) "convert files to lower case." hope this helps. dAVe From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 21 14:06:57 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991221120412.00a16100@mail.adaptive.net> At 10:36 AM 12/21/99 -0800, dAVe burlingame wrote: >first guess...could your ftp program be transferring the images, but >forcing a lower-case name? is "Rendering" showing up as "rendering?" >it's for that very reason we never use caps for file names; makes for >confusion in the long run. That's a good guess, but trying to load a file with lowercase "rendering" also doesn't do it. I fully agree on never using ANY uppercase in file names. I don't know either your editor or your FTP program, but since most people put their graphics in an "images" or similar folder, are you sure you didn't do that and forget to put that in the link? It seems clear that "Rendering.jpg" is not in the directory you think it is in....or isn't on the server at all. -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From day at indiana.edu Tue Dec 21 14:15:55 1999 From: day at indiana.edu (Dorothy Day) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.19991221120412.00a16100@mail.adaptive.net> Message-ID: Further guess--are you sure the file(s) transfered as binary files, not text? That certainly causes broken image links. Dorothy Day On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Dan Lester wrote: > At 10:36 AM 12/21/99 -0800, dAVe burlingame wrote: > > >first guess...could your ftp program be transferring the images, but > >forcing a lower-case name? is "Rendering" showing up as "rendering?" > >it's for that very reason we never use caps for file names; makes for > >confusion in the long run. > > That's a good guess, but trying to load a file with lowercase "rendering" > also doesn't do it. I fully agree on never using ANY uppercase in file > names. > > I don't know either your editor or your FTP program, but since most people > put their graphics in an "images" or similar folder, are you sure you > didn't do that and forget to put that in the link? It seems clear that > "Rendering.jpg" is not in the directory you think it is in....or isn't on > the server at all. > > > > > -- > Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > ***** Dorothy Day School of Library & Information Science Indiana University day@indiana.edu ***** "He also surfs who only sits and waits." From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Tue Dec 21 14:30:02 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics References: Message-ID: <385FD53A.2A509835@tln.lib.mi.us> I checked this and the problem is with the file names. Somewhere in the process, they are being renamed to .jpeg. If you look for the file using filename.jpeg, they show up. Unfortuntately, in the HTML source code, the files names are .jpg. There lies the problem. Andrew Mutch Library System Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Dorothy Day wrote: > Further guess--are you sure the file(s) transfered as binary files, not > text? That certainly causes broken image links. > > Dorothy Day > > On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Dan Lester wrote: > > > At 10:36 AM 12/21/99 -0800, dAVe burlingame wrote: > > > > >first guess...could your ftp program be transferring the images, but > > >forcing a lower-case name? is "Rendering" showing up as "rendering?" > > >it's for that very reason we never use caps for file names; makes for > > >confusion in the long run. > > > > That's a good guess, but trying to load a file with lowercase "rendering" > > also doesn't do it. I fully agree on never using ANY uppercase in file > > names. > > > > I don't know either your editor or your FTP program, but since most people > > put their graphics in an "images" or similar folder, are you sure you > > didn't do that and forget to put that in the link? It seems clear that > > "Rendering.jpg" is not in the directory you think it is in....or isn't on > > the server at all. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > > Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > > dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > > > > ***** > Dorothy Day > School of Library & Information Science > Indiana University > day@indiana.edu > ***** > > "He also surfs who only sits and waits." From phernand at library.berkeley.edu Tue Dec 21 14:23:40 1999 From: phernand at library.berkeley.edu (Paul Hernandez) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Uploading graphics Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991221112339.006c0d64@library.berkeley.edu> The images show up fine on my browser (Netscape 4.7), however I've noticed that the file names in the source document are "Rendering.jpeg" and "SitePlan.jpeg" The four character extension .jpeg could cause some problems. I'd suggest changing the file name extension to .jpg in the source document and on the file itself. Paul ------------------------------------------- Paul Hernandez, Library Operations Manager Harmer E. Davis Transportation Library 409 McLaughlin Hall, MC1720 Berkeley CA 94720 phone: 510-643-8924 ; fax: 510-642-9180 phernand@library.berkeley.edu http://library.berkeley.edu/ITSL ------------------------------------------- From dennism at library.tmc.edu Tue Dec 21 14:49:31 1999 From: dennism at library.tmc.edu (Dennis Moser) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Uploading graphics Message-ID: <003201bf4bec$7f736fe0$411e44c0@d081.library.tmc.edu> Initiallu, in IE4.+ only the bottom graphic rendered, with the ALT for the top one. In Netscape Communicator, BOTH images loaded just fine...additionally, IE would not display the source (Comm did.). Now everything is showing up just fine. As for using upper case, you can usually tell who's using a Microsoft product for serving their pages since they announce that one should NEVER use upper case in file names. Use what makes sense...just keep it well-organized. The real problem (on almost ANY platform...can't think of any right away to the contrary) is having SPACES in the file names. (I did see some in your directory/path names in your code...) I didn't see any problems with the file name extensions (as someone has suggested). The only suggestionI've seen (and you may have already corrected it) would be if you had ftp'd the graphics as ASCII instead of binary. It looks just fine now (in both browsers). Dennis Moser, MILS, Web Librarian John P. McGovern Historical Collections and Research Center Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library 1133 M. D. Anderson Blvd, Houston, TX 77030-2809 dennism@library.tmc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Cox To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Uploading graphics >Our library website has been, till now, deliberately designed with minimal >graphics. However, we're building a new library and I want to include a >page with scans of the artist's renderings - separate page so that people >don't have to load them if they don't want to. > >For some reason, I can't get the images to display. I have two graphics >which I've optimized down to around 35-40K each, and they display nicely in >my editor. But when I upload the finished page to our server, all I can >see are the ALT descriptions. . . no images. >I'm working with Visual Page 2.0, and uploading via FTP Voyager 6.2.0. The >graphics files look like they're uploading correctly; the links look ok in >the source; and I have the feeling that I'm missing something really >basic. Any suggestions would be appreciated! > >The problem page is at http://www.wvmccd.cc.ca.us/mc/lib/LibImage.html, for >anyone who wants to take a look. > >Catherine Cox >Electronic Resources Librarian >Mission College Library >Santa Clara, CA >cathy_cox@wvmccd.cc.ca.us > > From cathy_cox at wvmccd.cc.ca.us Tue Dec 21 14:58:16 1999 From: cathy_cox at wvmccd.cc.ca.us (Cathy Cox) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Uploading graphics Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991221115809.009c7b60@mcmail> Thanks, everyone, for checking on this so quickly.I followed up on the advice to check on whether the files were being sent as binary or ASCII. I made sure the settings on FTP Voyager were configured so the files were being sent as binary, and re-uploaded the graphics. . . But Andrew's tip was the clue I needed. I still don't have any idea WHY the file name was being changed during the upload (it never had been in the past) but once I went in and changed the source code on the page to look for .jpeg instead of .jpg, everything fell into place. Now I'm going to bug y'all with one more question. . . but I'll send it separately just to keep the threading clean. Thanks! Catherine Cox At 01:59 PM 12/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >Cathy, > >I can see the graphics if I rename the ending to .jpeg >Somewhere in the process, the file name is being changed from what is >shown in the source code. > >Andrew Mutch >Library Systems Technician >Waterford Township Public Library >Waterford, MI > > > >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Cathy Cox wrote: > > > Our library website has been, till now, deliberately designed with minimal > > graphics. However, we're building a new library and I want to include a > > page with scans of the artist's renderings - separate page so that people > > don't have to load them if they don't want to. > > > > For some reason, I can't get the images to display. I have two graphics > > which I've optimized down to around 35-40K each, and they display > nicely in > > my editor. But when I upload the finished page to our server, all I can > > see are the ALT descriptions. . . no images. > > I'm working with Visual Page 2.0, and uploading via FTP Voyager > 6.2.0. The > > graphics files look like they're uploading correctly; the links look ok in > > the source; and I have the feeling that I'm missing something really > > basic. Any suggestions would be appreciated! > > > > The problem page is at http://www.wvmccd.cc.ca.us/mc/lib/LibImage.html, > for > > anyone who wants to take a look. > > > > Catherine Cox > > Electronic Resources Librarian > > Mission College Library > > Santa Clara, CA > > cathy_cox@wvmccd.cc.ca.us > > From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Dec 21 15:11:09 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Web searching tutorials for grades 4-7 Message-ID: <00f001bf4bef$8587ce00$0d9882d1@rcls.org> The Ramapo Catskill Library System, developer of the KidsClick! search engine, has created a companion web site in an effort to teach web searching skills to upper elementary and middle school students (grades 4-7). The new site, called "KidsClick! Worlds of Web Searching" can be found at: http://www.worldsofsearching.org/ Concepts such as subject directories, keyword searching, truncation, spelling, boolean searching, etc. are illustrated and supported by interactive activities. This is a progress in work, so if you have constructive comments or suggestions, please respond to me at: jkuntz@rcls.org. Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From darganm at maple.iren.net Tue Dec 21 15:28:34 1999 From: darganm at maple.iren.net (Michael J. Dargan) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Frontpage 2000 problem? Message-ID: <385FE2F2.445DFFF7@maple.iren.net> Our experience with FrontPage 98 has been quite good. However, when we upgraded to FP2000 our forms would no longer work. Has anyone else seen this problem? Also, is FP2000's ability to upload to a website limited by version of extensions on the server? For example, if an IIS3.0 server had FP98 extensions, would that prevent FP2000 from publishing to it? Thanks. From eric at kclibrary.org Tue Dec 21 15:55:16 1999 From: eric at kclibrary.org (Eric (Eric Rogers)) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Frontpage 2000 problem? Message-ID: Our experience with FrontPage 98 has been quite good. However, when we upgraded to FP2000 our forms would no longer work. Has anyone else seen this problem? In what way do they not work? Have you tried resetting the form properties and resaving the pages? Some of the form options are different and you may have to reapply your settings for them to work. Also, is FP2000's ability to upload to a website limited by version of extensions on the server? For example, if an IIS3.0 server had FP98 extensions, would that prevent FP2000 from publishing to it? You should be able to use any version combination of the FP client and server extensions except the FrontPage 1.0 server extensions. The only difference is that if the client is newer than the FPSE any new features in the client that require the FPSE will unavailable until the server is upgraded. -- Eric Rogers Internet Services Administrator, Kansas City Public Library eric@kclibrary.org - http://www.kclibrary.org From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Dec 21 16:27:49 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics References: <003201bf4bec$7f736fe0$411e44c0@d081.library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: <003201bf4bfa$3f16cfb0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > As for using upper case, you can usually tell who's using a Microsoft > product for serving their pages since they announce that one should NEVER > use upper case in file names. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but this statement misses the mark by a fair bit. Microsoft web servers are case INsensitive; NT and Win9x store files in a case sensitive way, but retrieve them in a case insensitive way, a trait they pass on to IIS. Compare: http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/WEB/Default.asp http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/web/default.asp http://www.microsoft.com/NtSeRvEr/WeB/dEfAuLt.AsP Use what makes sense...just keep it > well-organized. The real problem (on almost ANY platform...can't think of > any right away to the contrary) is having SPACES in the file names. (I did > see some in your directory/path names in your code...) This isn't a show stopper: any reasonable server would URL-encode the spaces ("our%20home%20page.html"). You would need to remind authors to code links that way, though, since many browsers will not encode the spaces themselves. In either case, the problem is not tied to the operating system; it has to do with simplifying things for the user. Users do type in URLs by hand, they do mail them to friends, and it does matter if your URLs are as easy for humans to manipulate as for computers. That's why it's worth fighting your computer Powers That Be for, say, http://library.foo.edu/ rather than http://www.foo.edu/Departments/Info-Services/Library/home.html Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mfitch at nevada.edu Tue Dec 21 17:36:26 1999 From: mfitch at nevada.edu (Megan Fitch) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: job posting Message-ID: Information Systems Librarian RESPONSIBILITIES: UNLV Libraries is seeking a service-oriented librarian, at the assistant professor rank, for the position of Information Systems Librarian. The successful candidate will help coordinate the UNLV Libraries' Website and the evaluation, development, and implementation of the Libraries' future electronic information resources and digital initiatives. The successful candidate will assist in tracking current and future information technologies, initiatives, and services; provide staff assistance and/or training with common desktop applications, and assume other responsibilities as assigned. The successful candidate may work regular hours at one or more public services desks. This position will report to the Head of the Library Systems Unit. QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: MLS or equivalent from an ALA-accredited program or international equivalent; excellent oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills; knowledge of electronic information resources; knowledge of microcomputer applications in libraries; demonstrated aptitude for learning new technology; evidence of creative application of information technologies to meet user needs; familiarity with HTML. QUALIFICATIONS PREFERRED: Proven documentation skills; experience with multimedia applications and technologies; experience with database creation, publishing, and management in a shared or web-based environment; experience with Web authoring and scripting languages/standards such as SGML, DHTML, VRML, XML, CSS, CGI, PERL, and/or JavaScript; experience with Website development and maintenance applications, including imaging software; experience with Internet communications tools and applications; reference services experience. SALARY RANGE: This is a tenure-track position. Salary is commensurate with qualifications and experience. The University has an excellent fringe benefits package. THE SETTING: UNLV is Nevada's largest comprehensive, doctoral-degree-granting institution with 22,500 students and more than 700 full-time faculty. The UNLV libraries are comprised of the main James R. Dickinson Library, the Curriculum Materials Library, the Architecture Studies Library, and a soon-to-be constructed Music Library. Construction on a new main library, the Lied Library, began in early 1998. This 300,000 square foot, $51 million facility will include an Information Commons and a fully wired four-classroom Collaborative Learning Center. For additional information, see the UNLV World Wide Web site at http://www.unlv.edu. APPLICATION DEADLINE & DETAILS: Send letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses, telephone numbers and e-mail addresses of three professional references to: Megan Fitch, Chair; Information Systems Librarian Search Committee; James R. Dickinson Library; University of Nevada, Las Vegas; 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 457001; Las Vegas, NV 89154-7001. Review of applications will begin February 25, 2000 and will continue until the position is filled. Specific questions may be addressed to Megan Fitch, Search Committee Chair, at mfitch@nevada.edu, or call (702) 895-3286. UNLV is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. Persons are selected on the basis of ability without regard to race, color, sex, age, national origin, sexual orientation, religion, disability or veteran status. From dan at 84.com Tue Dec 21 18:26:37 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Frontpage 2000 problem? In-Reply-To: <385FE2F2.445DFFF7@maple.iren.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991221162522.00bc7470@mail.adaptive.net> At 12:27 PM 12/21/99 -0800, Michael J. Dargan wrote: >Also, is FP2000's ability to upload to a website limited by version of >extensions on the server? For example, if an IIS3.0 server had FP98 >extensions, would that prevent FP2000 from publishing to it? Yes. Install the FP2000 extensions and your forms will work. Overall, you'll find the FP2000 is a great improvement. Among other things, it won't mangle your existing code. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From bargioni at usc.urbe.it Wed Dec 22 02:42:06 1999 From: bargioni at usc.urbe.it (Stefano Bargioni) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:57 2005 Subject: Two pcs, same symptoms, won't boot... References: <199912211723.JAA11754@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <386080CD.CC9DA2D5@usc.urbe.it> > Last month, one of our pcs quit booting up in the morning. It would > stall at the second Windows screen. There were no errors to indicate any > problems. Did you press ESC during boot, to show boot trace? Error messages are hidden by Windows screen. Bye. Stefano -- Dott. Stefano Bargioni Pontificia Universita' della Santa Croce - Roma --- "Si apud bibliothecam hortulum habes, nihil deerit" (Cicerone) --- From dlords at library.utah.edu Wed Dec 22 07:49:33 1999 From: dlords at library.utah.edu (Debra Lords) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics References: <003201bf4bfa$3f16cfb0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3860C8DD.1A2CF4FE@library.utah.edu> Actually, planning on case insensitivity is incorrect. Depending on the WebServer (not the OS of the box, but the WebServer Engine), case sensitivity can be a factor. Compare: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/research.html http://www.cs.utah.edu/~Bean/research.html http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/Research.html Three very different results, running Apache/1.3.6 Server. It is better to default to lowercase names because your users just don't necessarily know if your WebServer Engine is pickey. Particularly folks who send URLs through e-mail or speak one over the phone. -- Debbie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Debra Lords Experience is what you dlords@library.utah.edu have just right after ACLIS Labs you need it. 585-9810 Thomas Dowling wrote: > > > As for using upper case, you can usually tell who's using a Microsoft > > product for serving their pages since they announce that one should > NEVER > > use upper case in file names. > > I'm not sure where you're going with this, but this statement misses the > mark by a fair bit. Microsoft web servers are case INsensitive; NT and > Win9x store files in a case sensitive way, but retrieve them in a case > insensitive way, a trait they pass on to IIS. > > Compare: > http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/WEB/Default.asp > http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/web/default.asp > http://www.microsoft.com/NtSeRvEr/WeB/dEfAuLt.AsP > > Use what makes sense...just keep it > > well-organized. The real problem (on almost ANY platform...can't think > of > > any right away to the contrary) is having SPACES in the file names. (I > did > > see some in your directory/path names in your code...) > > This isn't a show stopper: any reasonable server would URL-encode the > spaces ("our%20home%20page.html"). You would need to remind authors to > code links that way, though, since many browsers will not encode the > spaces themselves. > > In either case, the problem is not tied to the operating system; it has to > do with simplifying things for the user. Users do type in URLs by hand, > they do mail them to friends, and it does matter if your URLs are as easy > for humans to manipulate as for computers. That's why it's worth fighting > your computer Powers That Be for, say, http://library.foo.edu/ rather than > http://www.foo.edu/Departments/Info-Services/Library/home.html > > Thomas Dowling > OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network > tdowling@ohiolink.edu -- Debbie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Debra Lords Experience is what you dlords@library.utah.edu have just right after ACLIS Labs you need it. 585-9810 From msauers at bcr.org Wed Dec 22 11:27:58 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Mozilla M12 Message-ID: Milestone Release 12 of Mozilla has been released. It can be found @ http://www.mozilla.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org :: http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.dealpilot.com/?partner=1307 "I want to know what good is a Web search engine that returns 324,909,188 'matches' to my key word. That's like saying, 'Good news, we've located the product you're looking for. It's on Earth.'" --W. Bruce Cameron Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From SHSLE at aol.com Wed Dec 22 11:30:20 1999 From: SHSLE at aol.com (SHSLE@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Job hunt sites? Message-ID: <0.bbd8b477.2592569c@aol.com> Hi all, I am new to the list and am graduating from Simmons GSLIS this semester. Can anyone suggest good sites for for web job listings? Thank you very much. Shelley Sloboder shsle@aol.com shsle@gis.net From dan at 84.com Wed Dec 22 11:36:45 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics In-Reply-To: <3860C8DD.1A2CF4FE@library.utah.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991222093334.00ba27e0@mail.adaptive.net> At 04:51 AM 12/22/99 -0800, Debra Lords wrote: >Actually, planning on case insensitivity is incorrect. Depending >on the WebServer (not the OS of the box, but the WebServer >Engine), case sensitivity can be a factor. > >Compare: >http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/research.html >http://www.cs.utah.edu/~Bean/research.html >http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/Research.html No one said that you should plan on case insensitivity. The message said that on MS's NT and IIS it was insensitive. And that was said in response to a specific incorrect comment about NT. I think we're all in agreement that you should ALWAYS use lower case, NEVER use spaces in a file name, in order to maximize ease of access. My personal suggestion is that you never use underscores, as they're easily missed by the novice when they get hidden by the underlining in a link. I also always use . (periods, dots) between parts of file names when I want to distinguish words for another reason. They're much easier to type than an underscore or a hyphen. o-) cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dbell at loc.gov Wed Dec 22 11:55:37 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Announcement of New Exhibition on Library of Congress Website Message-ID: <38610289.680BD63E@loc.gov> MEETING OF FRONTIERS WEB SITE CHRONICLES PARALLEL HISTORY OF AMERICA?S WEST AND RUSSIA?S EAST The parallel experiences of the United States and Russia in exploring, developing and settling their frontiers and the meeting of those frontiers in Alaska and the Pacific Northwest is the focus of a new Web site created by the Library of Congress under a special congressional appropriation. Beginning December 15, the site is available at frontiers.loc.gov. "Meeting of Frontiers" includes more than 2,500 items, comprising some 70,000 images, from the Library's rare book, manuscript, map, prints and photograph, film and sound recording collections that tell the stories of the explorers, fur traders, missionaries, exiles, gold miners and adventurers that peopled both frontiers and their interactions with the native peoples of Siberia and the American West. The site is completely bilingual, in English and Russian, and is intended for use in U.S. and Russian schools and libraries and by the general public in both countries. Scholars, particularly those who do not have ready access to major research libraries, will benefit from the wealth of primary material included in ?Meeting of Frontiers,? much of which has never been published or is extremely rare. Intended to appeal to students and for use in schools, the site features such colorful characters as John Ledyard, an acquaintance of Thomas Jefferson who attempted to walk across Siberia, and Perry McDonough Collins, a lawyer and businessman who became the American Commercial Agent to the Amur River in 1856 and who developed a plan, partially carried out, to build a telegraph link from America to Europe via the Bering Straits and Siberia. Collections available in ?Meeting of Frontiers? include the Frank G. Carpenter Collection of photographs from Alaska in the 1910s; the John C. Grabill Collection of photographs of 1880s frontier life in Colorado, South Dakota and Wyoming; the Yudin Collection of papers from the Russian-American Company (1786-1830); and selections from the Alaska Russian Church Archives. "Meeting of Frontiers" is a pilot project that was developed in 1999 at the Library of Congress by a team of Library staff and American and Russian consultants. The pilot will be expanded in the coming years through the addition of materials from the Library's own collections, from the Elmer E. Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska Fairbanks and from other U.S. institutions. It will also feature materials from partner institutions in Russia, including the Russian State Library in Moscow, the National Library of Russia in St. Petersburg and the Institute of History of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Novosibirsk. "Meeting of Frontiers" is funded by a special appropriation in the Library's FY 1999 budget, which is intended for the Library to obtain digital copies of unique and rare materials from Russia and to make those materials freely available through the Internet. Additional support for development of the project in Russia is being provided by the Open Society Institute of Russia. "Meeting of Frontiers" is the Library's first major digital project involving international material and extensive cooperation with foreign institutions to obtain materials for the Library's collections in digital form. It is the first component of an international digital library that will build upon the Library's National Digital Library Program (www.loc.gov). The National Digital Library Program aims to bring more than 5 million items of American history to citizens everywhere as a Gift to the Nation for the Library's Bicentennial on April 24, 2000. The Library of Congress, founded April 24, 1800, is the nation's oldest federal cultural institution. It preserves a collection of 115 million items -- more than two-thirds of which are in media other than books. These include the largest map and film and television collections in the world. In addition to its primary mission of serving the research needs of the U.S. Congress, the Library serves all Americans through its popular Web site (www.loc.gov) and its 22 reading rooms on Capitol Hill. ?We will celebrate with pride our first 200 years of Library history,? said Librarian of Congress James H. Billington. ?During that time, the Library has grown into the world's largest repository of knowledge and creativity, which it has preserved for all generations of Americans. We want to take advantage of this opportunity to energize national awareness of the critical role that all libraries play in keeping the spirit of creativity and free inquiry alive in our society.? Please direct questions about this press release to Guy Lamolinara at (202) 707-9217. Please direct questions about the Frontiers exhibition to mof@loc.gov From eckleyt at mville.edu Wed Dec 22 12:10:27 1999 From: eckleyt at mville.edu (Tami-Jo Eckley) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: journals online Message-ID: <199912221210.AA38142094@mail.mville.edu> Are there any good solutions out there for extracting all the journals indexed from each subscription database? Any Home Made Web Solutions? I am interested in hearing about how other libraries are solving this issue. Thanks. -- Tami-Jo Eckley Electronic Services & Media Librarian Manhattanville College Library Purchase, New York 10577 http://www.mville.edu/library ______________________________________ -- From dennism at library.tmc.edu Wed Dec 22 12:30:49 1999 From: dennism at library.tmc.edu (Dennis Moser) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics Message-ID: <003801bf4ca2$49ef5da0$411e44c0@d081.library.tmc.edu> Oh, boy. Before this gets TOO far: What was meant as a gentle jibe at Windows users has gotten out of hand. Here's the offending phrase that apparently started things... "As for using upper case, you can usually tell who's using a Microsoft product for serving their pages since they announce that one should NEVER use upper case in file names. Use what makes sense...just keep it well-organized. The real problem (on almost ANY platform...can't think of any right away to the contrary) is having SPACES in the file names. (I did see some in your directory/path names in your code...)" There's nothing in there that's "incorrect" with regard to NT...nothing in there that mentions any SPECIFIC Microsoft products. As for any subsequent postings that might have contained erroroneous information about such products, I cannot take credit. Lighten up...my main point was that one's approach for naming MUST be consistent. That isn't such a no-brainer as some would suggest. Those of us who are daily immersed in code need to remember that there are some neophytes on this list and what we take to be common sense may not be so common. What really matters is that Cathy Cox got her images to appear: she probably needs to be looking at what caused her file name extensions to change, but hey! that's for another discussion. Sending a million "Mea culpas" to Redmond, I retreat while wishing Holiday Cheer for all who participate (an Amazing Full Moon this morning!), Dennis Moser, MILS, Web Librarian John P. McGovern Historical Collections and Research Center Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library 1133 M. D. Anderson Blvd, Houston, TX 77030-2809 dennism@library.tmc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lester To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 10:10 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics >At 04:51 AM 12/22/99 -0800, Debra Lords wrote: >>Actually, planning on case insensitivity is incorrect. Depending >>on the WebServer (not the OS of the box, but the WebServer >>Engine), case sensitivity can be a factor. >> >>Compare: >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/research.html >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~Bean/research.html >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/Research.html > >No one said that you should plan on case insensitivity. The message said >that on MS's NT and IIS it was insensitive. And that was said in response >to a specific incorrect comment about NT. > >I think we're all in agreement that you should ALWAYS use lower case, NEVER >use spaces in a file name, in order to maximize ease of access. > >My personal suggestion is that you never use underscores, as they're easily >missed by the novice when they get hidden by the underlining in a link. I >also always use . (periods, dots) between parts of file names when I want >to distinguish words for another reason. They're much easier to type than >an underscore or a hyphen. o-) > >cheers > >dan > >-- >Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? >Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 >dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > > From dbell at loc.gov Wed Dec 22 12:04:56 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Additions to American Memory online collections Message-ID: <386104B7.C6E115FE@loc.gov> Announcement is made of additions to the National Digital Library online collections. This announcment is being posted to a number of lists. Please accept our apologies for any duplication Three More Ameritech Grant Winner Collections Now Part of American Memory It is with pleasure that the Library announces the most recent collections to be released as a part of the LC/Ameritech National Digital Library Competition: ?First-Person Narratives of the American South, 1860-1920", by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, ?Small-Town America: Stereoscopic Views from the Dennis Collection, 1850-1920", by The New York Public Library, and ?The African-American Experience in Ohio, 1850-1920", by the Ohio Historical Society. With a gift from the Ameritech Corporation, the Library of Congress sponsored a three-year competition to enable public, research, and academic libraries, museums, historical societies, and archival institutions (except federal institutions) to create digital collections of primary resources. These digital collections complement and enhance the collections of the National Digital Library Program at the Library of Congress. ?First-Person Narratives of the American South, 1860-1920" is a compilation of printed texts from the libraries at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill which documents the culture of the nineteenth-century American South from the viewpoint of Southerners. It includes the diaries, autobiographies, memoirs, travel accounts, and ex-slave narratives of not only prominent individuals, but also of relatively inaccessible populations: women, African Americans, enlisted men, laborers, and Native Americans. The award from the Library of Congress/Ameritech National Digital Library Competition supported the digitization of 101 titles; the university supplemented these with another 40. The presentation through American Memory links to the digital texts mounted at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where they form part of a larger digital collection titled Documenting the American South The larger collection has four other components: Southern Literature, North American Slave Narratives, the Southern Home Front, 1861-1865, and, most recently, the Church in the Southern Black Community. Conversion has recently begun for texts in this last collection, which earned the university a second LC/Ameritech award in 1998/99. (Information on that award can be found at the following url: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award/99award/unc99.html ) ?First-Person Narratives of the American South, 1860-1920" can be found at the following url: Information about the 1997 award can be found at ?Small-Town America: Stereoscopic Views from the Robert Dennis Collection, 1850-1920" contains 12,000 photographs of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut from the 1850s to the 1910s from the collections of the New York Public Library. The views show buildings and street scenes in cities, towns, and villages as well as natural landscapes. They also depict agriculture, industry, transportation, homes, businesses, local celebrations, natural disasters, people, and costumes. In general, stereoviews are more journalistic than is formal photography, and they feature subjects and interpretations not readily available in other formats (local history, for instance). Stereoviews were most popular between the 1850s and the 1910s as they were a principal form of home entertainment, perhaps second only to reading as a personal leisure activity. Small-Town America can be found at The announcement of The New York Public Library award can be found at The African-American Experience in Ohio, 1850-1920 is a selection of manuscript, printed texts and images drawn from the collections of the Ohio Historical Society. The digital reproductions document the history of black Ohio from 1850 to 1920, illuminating the story of slavery and freedom, segregation and integration, religion and politics, migrations and restrictions, harmony and discord, and struggles and successes. The manuscript materials include the personal papers of prominent individuals, association records, a plantation account book, ex-slave narratives, and documents relating to the freeing of individual slaves. Photographs depict ex-slaves and African Americans serving in the army, the police force, and the Ohio House of Representatives. In addition, roughly 15,000 articles relating to African Americans have been scanned from Ohio newspapers. The African-American Experience in Ohio can be found at The announcement of the Ohio Historical Society Award can be found at Information about the Ameritech competition can be found at the competition home page which is located at Questions about the collections should be directed to From ykong at kenosha.lib.wi.us Wed Dec 22 06:30:52 1999 From: ykong at kenosha.lib.wi.us (Yi Kong) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics References: <003801bf4ca2$49ef5da0$411e44c0@d081.library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: <007201bf4c70$00f0ea60$328ed5cd@kenosha.lib.wi.us> Did everybody on the list got the duplicated email like this? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Moser To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics > Oh, boy. Before this gets TOO far: > > What was meant as a gentle jibe at Windows users has gotten out of hand. > Here's the offending phrase that apparently started things... > > "As for using upper case, you can usually tell who's using a Microsoft > product for serving their pages since they announce that one should NEVER > use upper case in file names. Use what makes sense...just keep it > well-organized. The real problem (on almost ANY platform...can't think of > any right away to the contrary) is having SPACES in the file names. (I did > see some in your directory/path names in your code...)" > > There's nothing in there that's "incorrect" with regard to NT...nothing in > there that mentions any SPECIFIC Microsoft products. As for any subsequent > postings that might have contained erroroneous information about such > products, I cannot take credit. > > Lighten up...my main point was that one's approach for naming MUST be > consistent. That isn't such a no-brainer as some would suggest. Those of us > who are daily immersed in code need to remember that there are some > neophytes on this list and what we take to be common sense may not be so > common. > > What really matters is that Cathy Cox got her images to appear: she probably > needs to be looking at what caused her file name extensions to change, but > hey! that's for another discussion. > > Sending a million "Mea culpas" to Redmond, I retreat while wishing Holiday > Cheer for all who participate (an Amazing Full Moon this morning!), > > Dennis Moser, MILS, Web Librarian > John P. McGovern Historical Collections and Research Center > Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library > 1133 M. D. Anderson Blvd, Houston, TX 77030-2809 > dennism@library.tmc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lester > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 10:10 AM > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics > > > >At 04:51 AM 12/22/99 -0800, Debra Lords wrote: > >>Actually, planning on case insensitivity is incorrect. Depending > >>on the WebServer (not the OS of the box, but the WebServer > >>Engine), case sensitivity can be a factor. > >> > >>Compare: > >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/research.html > >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~Bean/research.html > >>http://www.cs.utah.edu/~bean/Research.html > > > >No one said that you should plan on case insensitivity. The message said > >that on MS's NT and IIS it was insensitive. And that was said in response > >to a specific incorrect comment about NT. > > > >I think we're all in agreement that you should ALWAYS use lower case, NEVER > >use spaces in a file name, in order to maximize ease of access. > > > >My personal suggestion is that you never use underscores, as they're easily > >missed by the novice when they get hidden by the underlining in a link. I > >also always use . (periods, dots) between parts of file names when I want > >to distinguish words for another reason. They're much easier to type than > >an underscore or a hyphen. o-) > > > >cheers > > > >dan > > > >-- > >Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > >Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > >dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > > > > > From wprice at panam.edu Wed Dec 22 12:36:11 1999 From: wprice at panam.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: position -- web librarian -- texas Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991222113611.00a992b0@panam.edu> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT WORLD WIDE WEB LIBRARIAN The University of Texas-Pan American (UTPA) Responsibilities: Develops, improves, and maintains the UTPA Library World Wide Web site including the DRA OPAC Web pages, links to licensed Web databases and selected Web sites as appropriate for patron use. Determines Web site organizational structure, layout, content, and specialty tasks. Collects, creates, edits, and customizes graphics, audio, and video elements. Works with Technology and Planning Committees to establish policies and guidelines regarding Library Web site. Works with all Library Departments to collect information for the Web site and/or make pages for the Departments. Updates Web pages and content, software, and passwords as needed. Tests Web page links, keeps and analyzes page statistics and user feedback. Continuously reviews Internet and computer technology and other Web sites for ideas and information. Teaches staff how to make and link Department Web pages and other Web pages. Develops training materials. Provides technical support to patrons and staff in using HTML, Web editors, and Internet software and applications. Reviews and recommends hardware and software for Web site development. Provides Web page and Web database usage reports. Provides Reference assistance as assigned. Participates in collection development as assigned. Occasional night or weekend hours. Must be able to work under pressure and in stressful situations when working with patrons or meeting deadlines. Requirements: M.L.S. from an ALA accredited school. Knowledge of HTML, Web editors, browsers, MS Windows 95/98, and the Internet. Knowledge of SGML, CGI, Java Script and Web design. Knowledge of microcomputers, CD-ROM workstations, printers, and scanners. Preferred: Second master's degree in Computer Science, undergraduate degree in Computer Science or related field, coursework in the Internet, automation, or graphic design. Knowledge of XML, VRML, Java, Perl, Visual Basic, and C++. Experience with graphics software (Image Maker, Photoshop, etc.), Flash, Shockwave, and other software. Knowledge of digital cameras and other imaging technologies. Knowledge of client-server operations, server software and hardware (NT), and Internet protocols. Position: Permanent non-tenured administrative staff position. Review of applications will start February 1, 2000. Salary is $38,500 per annum, depending on qualifications. Position open until filled. Applications: Should be directed to the Office of Personnel, The University of Texas-Pan American, 1201 W. University Drive, Edinburg, Texas 78539-2999. Application materials should include a letter of application, a current r?sum?, and the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of three recent references. UTPA is an AA/EOE. For more information, please see , or contact Bonnie McNeely (bmcneely@panam.edu), Assistant Director for Resource Management. C. Ward Price wprice@panam.edu Instruction/Reference/Web Librarian University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, Texas 78539 http://www.lib.panam.edu/ From wprice at panam.edu Wed Dec 22 12:37:37 1999 From: wprice at panam.edu (Ward Price) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: position -- outreach librarian -- texas Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991222113737.00a978c0@panam.edu> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT OUTREACH SERVICES LIBRARIAN The University of Texas-Pan American (UTPA) Responsibilities: Coordinates and participates in the delivery of information and resources to studentsregistered in off campus courses offered by the UTPA Distance Education Center, and courses offered through cooperative programs from other institutions. Provides educational and reference services to students registered in off-campus courses offered by the University and cooperative program offered through other institutions; Provides instruction on retrieval and critical evaluation of library materials; develop goals, objectives, and policies for the resource sharing; prepares print and web-based instructional materials and user guides; acts as a liaison to the Center for Distance Education and Teaching Excellence in the University; provides reference assistance in person, by phone, and via E-mail; provides literature searches and instruction in end-user searching of the library databases; established a working relationship with the University's division of student affairs for providing library orientation to incoming freshmen, and prospective students; works with Interlibrary Loan office and Reserve Room for document delivery to distance education students. Provides information regarding outreach services to the Assistant Director for Research Services. Serves at Reference Desk according to the designated schedule. Participates in collection development for distance education program. Requirements: M.L.S. from an ALA accredited institution. Minimum of two years experience in an automated academic library. Working knowledge of current classroom technology including power point presentation, ability to adopt and manage new technology at a classroom setting; ability to interact and communicate well with public; ability to work flexible hours which includes some evening and weekend responsibilities, as well as going to different buildings and offices around the campus. Knowledge of personal computers, projectors, photocopiers, and microform equipment. Preferred: Second master's degree, preferably in secondary education. Knowledge of DRA, OCLC, two or more years of teaching or reference work. Position: Permanent non-tenured administrative staff position. Review of applications will start February 1, 2000. Salary is $36,500 per annum, depending on qualifications. Position open until filled. Applications: Should be directed to the Office of Personnel, The University of Texas-Pan American, 1201 W. University Drive, Edinburg, Texas 78539-2999. Application materials should include a letter of application, a current r?sum?, and the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of three recent references. UTPA is an AA/EOE. For more information, please see , or contact Farzaneh Razzaghi (farzaneh@panam.edu), Assistant Director for Research Services. C. Ward Price wprice@panam.edu Instruction/Reference/Web Librarian University of Texas-Pan American Edinburg, Texas 78539 http://www.lib.panam.edu/ From dan at 84.com Wed Dec 22 12:56:10 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] journals online In-Reply-To: <199912221210.AA38142094@mail.mville.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991222105407.00b6a8e0@mail.adaptive.net> At 09:08 AM 12/22/99 -0800, Tami-Jo Eckley wrote: >Are there any good solutions out there for extracting all the journals >indexed from each subscription database? Any Home Made Web Solutions? I >am interested in hearing about how other libraries are solving this >issue. Thanks. Check out gnujake at http://jake.med.yale.edu The concept looks like a winner to me. As to "extracting", I'm assuming so that you can have a "journals list" or something similar to merge into your catalog or your own "journals list" (in whatever format)? Each of the providers I know of does have a list of journals in full text on their service. We provide links to those lists as a convenience to our patrons. For example, see http://library.boisestate.edu/indexes.htm happy holidays dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From avirr at LanMinds.Com Wed Dec 22 12:52:22 1999 From: avirr at LanMinds.Com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Uploading graphics In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.19991222093334.00ba27e0@mail.adaptive.net> References: <4.2.2.19991222093334.00ba27e0@mail.adaptive.net> Message-ID: At 8:36 AM -0800 12/22/1999, Dan Lester wrote: >My personal suggestion is that you never use underscores, as they're >easily missed by the novice when they get hidden by the underlining >in a link. I also always use . (periods, dots) between parts of >file names when I want to distinguish words for another reason. >They're much easier to type than an underscore or a hyphen. o-) Dots can confuse stupid web clients such as robots which see the dot and think the next thing will be a file type extension. I agree on underscores, I use hyphens (even knowing that they can cause line breaks when printed). You can't win! Avi -- ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From Shirey.John at epamail.epa.gov Wed Dec 22 13:33:04 1999 From: Shirey.John at epamail.epa.gov (Shirey.John@epamail.epa.gov) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 1670 Message-ID: <8525684F.0065E8EE.00@EPAHUB2.RTP.EPA.GOV> I need to unsubscribe from this list. It is customary for a list to carry unsubscribe instructions routinely at the bottom of each mailing. I don't know to whom I should address my request, although I know it doesn't go to the list itself. Can you help me, please? I sent a question to "root@sunsite.berkeley..." a few weeks ago. I have heard nothing. From southerr at usfca.edu Wed Dec 22 13:40:36 1999 From: southerr at usfca.edu (Randy Souther) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] journals online References: <199912221210.AA38142094@mail.mville.edu> Message-ID: <38611B23.DE8F0B38@usfca.edu> We are taking the periodicals data available from the vendor's web sites and serving it on the web in a searchable format via FileMaker Pro (on a very old Mac which might otherwise would have been tossed). http://138.202.16.109/FULLTEXT_DATABASES/FMPro?-db=Fulltext%20Databases&-lay=Layout%20%231&-format=search.htm&-view -- Randy Souther Reference Technology Librarian Gleeson Library | Geschke Learning Resource Center University of San Francisco Email: southerr@usfca.edu Phone: (415) 422-5388 Tami-Jo Eckley wrote: > Are there any good solutions out there for extracting all the journals indexed from each subscription database? Any Home Made Web Solutions? I am interested in hearing about how other libraries are solving this issue. Thanks. > > -- > Tami-Jo Eckley > Electronic Services & Media Librarian > Manhattanville College Library > Purchase, New York 10577 > http://www.mville.edu/library > ______________________________________ > > -- From dan at 84.com Wed Dec 22 14:01:55 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: WEB4LIB digest 1670 In-Reply-To: <8525684F.0065E8EE.00@EPAHUB2.RTP.EPA.GOV> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991222115811.00ba9100@mail.adaptive.net> At 10:32 AM 12/22/99 -0800, Shirey.John@epamail.epa.gov wrote: >I need to unsubscribe from this list. It is customary for a list to carry >unsubscribe instructions routinely at the bottom of each mailing. I'm not sure about which universe has that as a customary feature of lists. I'm on over twenty and only two have such a footer. I manage a dozen others, and only one of them has such a footer (and that only because the editor is very structured). Fifteen seconds of searching on http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/ led me to: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/#Commands, which contains the answer. happy holidays dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Wed Dec 22 14:21:40 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Remote User Authentication Perl Script Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991222121816.00bc0ae0@mail.adaptive.net> Belatedly and apologetically I'm letting the many of you who've asked for a copy of the Perl script that we use at Boise State for remote user authentication on the web know that it is now available. The script itself is at: http://www.84.com/auth.perl.script.txt The description of the script and its operation is at: http://www.84.com/authentication.htm (and also includes a link to the script itself). Since I'm busily studying ColdFusion now, and have written my first small applications, it may well move to CF sometime in 2000. Happy holidays dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From drewwe at morrisville.EDU Wed Dec 22 14:37:09 1999 From: drewwe at morrisville.EDU (Drew, Bill) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: My Library Page type of function. Message-ID: <0FE0C961370DD31181F40004AC4C811B2DA980@MAIL1.MORRISVILLE.EDU> I am looking to implement something similar to the "My Library Page" that many sites have mounted. I am in particular looking for one that would store the information on the user's computer and not on the server. Has anyone done this using Active Server Pages? I see by looking in our cgi-bin on our server that perl is now on our server so I suppose a perl implementation would work. I am after something that would need as little tweaking as possible. In other words can I steal your code? ----- Wilfred (Bill) Drew Associate Librarian, Systems and Reference SUNY Morrisville College Library drewwe@morrisville.edu Home: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe Not Just Cows: http://www.morrisville.edu/~drewwe/njc/ Library: http://www.morrisville.edu/library/ From cmerat at liberty.edu Wed Dec 22 14:57:35 1999 From: cmerat at liberty.edu (Merat, Carl) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] journals online Message-ID: <28F4D9899B6ED311968D00104B0B0AE202079B90@IRIS> The Virtual Library of Virginia (VIVA) is holding a "Forum on Access to Electronic Journals from Aggregator Sources" on January 7th. This page describes the forum and has some VIVA example links, other initiatives, journal artices, etc. http://library.jmu.edu/libstaff/ts/er/vivacat/forum2000.html The articles go into some detail on the extraction/conversion process. I'm pretty sure the forum is only open to VIVA members. IMHO the best end products I've "seen" are: Radford University: http://lib.runet.edu/libserv/journals.html Virginia Commonwealth University: http://www.library.vcu.edu/ejournals/index.html The Radford database is crossed linked to their catalog's local holdings information, as well as the aggregator's database. One other good resource I have found that is not listed there or in other Web4Lib responses is http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/fulltext/ Carl Merat Associate Dean of Library Services Liberty Universtiy -----Original Message----- From: Tami-Jo Eckley [mailto:eckleyt@mville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] journals online Are there any good solutions out there for extracting all the journals indexed from each subscription database? Any Home Made Web Solutions? I am interested in hearing about how other libraries are solving this issue. Thanks. -- Tami-Jo Eckley Electronic Services & Media Librarian Manhattanville College Library Purchase, New York 10577 http://www.mville.edu/library ______________________________________ -- From schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Wed Dec 22 17:11:36 1999 From: schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Joy Schwarz) Date: Wed May 18 15:01:58 2005 Subject: Position announcement: Electronic Reference Development Librarian Message-ID: Forwarded on behalf of Ken Hall, Coordinator, Winnefox Library System. ----- Position Announcement: Electronic Reference Development Librarian Winnefox Library System Salary Range: $33,888 to $43,380 The system Electronic Reference Development Librarian (ERDL) is responsible for coordinating electronic reference development between and for the Winnefox System and thirty member libraries. Winnefox has a long history of service cooperation and mutual assistance between the system, our resource library, and all member libraries. The ERDL will continue this spirit of cooperation by leading the development of electronic reference services as we enter the next golden age of public library development. Specific projects will include further developing the Winnefox Web presence along with that of member libraries to bring all of the considerable electronic information resources of system libraries to the remote user; development of an electronic book collection; and selection and development of electronic reference resources. Near future projects may include developing 24 - 7 live online reference capability and/or digitization of local information resources. The ERDL will work closely with other Winnefox staff, resource library staff including the resource library ERDL, and representatives of other member libraries. Winnefox maintains a shared library circulation/information system (DRA) for its members including a shared catalog < http://axp.winnefox.org/www/wls/catalog.html > and Internet access. This is an excellent opportunity for someone who is both a team player and a leader. Benefits include a liberal vacation allowance, excellent health insurance, participation in the Wisconsin Public Employee Retirement System, life insurance, and strong support for continuing education. Winnefox believes that the only way to provide growth and development for the system is to provide opportunities for intellectual growth and development for our employees. Winnefox Library System is housed in the recently renovated and expanded Oshkosh Public Library < http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ > in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Oshkosh is a growing community, host to one of the University of Wisconsin campuses < http://www.uwosh.edu/ >, the world renowned Experimental Aircraft Association and Museum < http://www.eaa.org/ >, beautiful parks, and history and art museums < http://www.oshkoshcvb.org/attracts.htm >. Oshkosh offers the amenities of urban living in a more rural environment. All of Wisconsin's major cities, including Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay are within a 90 minute drive of Oshkosh. The Oshkosh - Appleton area, known as the Fox Cities < http://www.foxcities.org/ >, is the fastest growing area of the state with a well-diversified, stable economy. For more information about Oshkosh visit < http://www.oshkoshonthewater.com >. You may visit Winnefox on the web at < http://axp.winnefox.org/ >. The successful candidate for this position will possess either an MLS from an ALA-accredited institution with a strong background in reference, an electronic environment, and web page development, OR the successful candidate will possess a degree in information technology with training and/or experience in NT server administration with experience working in a public library or public library system. Candidates may combine credentials in both areas of expertise. To receive a complete job description, or to ask questions about the position, call Ken Hall, System Coordinator, at 920-236-5222, or email < hall@winnefox.org >. Applicants should submit a letter of application, resume, and three current references to Ken at Winnefox Library System, 106 Washington, Oshkosh, WI 54901. Interviews will be scheduled starting in January. We will accept applications until the right applicant is found. Applications for this position will be shared with the Resource Library for similar openings. Winnefox is an Equal Opportunity Employer/MF. ----- Joy Schwarz | Any sufficiently Web Coordinator/I.L.L. Librarian | advanced technology Winnefox Library System | is indistinguishable Oshkosh, WI USA | from magic. http://axp.winnefox.org | Clarke's Third Law http://oshkoshonthewater.com Arthur C. Clarke From dbell at loc.gov Thu Dec 23 11:06:28 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: Announcement of NDLP Writers Handbook on American Memory Technical Information Pages Message-ID: <38624884.5E4913C@loc.gov> Good morning. Announcement is being made of an addition to the American Memory Background Papers and Technical information page. This section of the American Memory web site provides reports and papers about the technical issues involved in developing the American Memory online collections. The url for the Background Papers and Technical Information page is: Please accept our apologies for any duplicate postings. Best wishes for a safe and happy holiday season. The Library of Congress National Digital Library Program (NDLP) has made available on its program documentation page, Background Papers and Technical Information, a guide to the writing and editorial policies and practices of the NDLP entitled ?The NDLP Writer?s Handbook.? This document can be found at the following url: The handbook is intended to serve the needs of Library of Congress staff and consultants involved in creating the introductory material (known as the collection framework) that accompanies the American Memory collections offered on the World Wide Web. It was developed, written, and designed as an online document with links to examples from American Memory and elsewhere. The Library hopes that making its "NDLP Writer's Handbook" publicly available will benefit others working on similar Web projects. The contents of the handbook include sections on writing and style, the editorial process, and references for editorial support. Subsections detail instances where NDLP house style for online presentation differs from conventional publishing norms. The handbook represents the collaborative work of many staff members of the NDLP and other Library of Congress divisions. It will continue to evolve in accordance with needs of the program. Please send all comments and questions about the handbook and other parts of American Memory to: ndlpcoll@loc.gov From donaldb at library.tmc.edu Thu Dec 23 12:07:19 1999 From: donaldb at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: Proxy Settings for IE 3.0 Message-ID: <005801bf4d68$2bcc2580$3c1e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> We are writing user instructions for configuring Internet Explorer browsers to use a proxy server. For IE 4.X, you chose: View, Internet Options, Connections. For IE 5.0, you chose: Tools, Internet Options, Connections. We don't have IE3.0 here, and I was hoping some kind person on Web4Lib who has handy access to IE3.0 could tell me how you configure it to use a proxy server. I'm guessing its the same for IE3.0 as it is for IE4.X, but it is best not to guess. Thanks for any help with this one. Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- always the beautiful answer Texas Medical Center Library who asks the more beautiful question donaldb@library.tmc.edu -- e. e. cummings From jbarrett at acad.suffolk.edu Thu Dec 23 12:39:35 1999 From: jbarrett at acad.suffolk.edu (Jim Barrett) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy Settings for IE 3.0 In-Reply-To: <005801bf4d68$2bcc2580$3c1e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Donald Barclay wrote: > We are writing user instructions for configuring Internet Explorer browsers > ... > We don't have IE3.0 here, and I was hoping some kind person on Web4Lib who > has handy access to IE3.0 could tell me how you configure it to use a proxy > server. I'm guessing its the same for IE3.0 as it is for IE4.X, but it is > best not to guess. Thanks for any help with this one. > Donald, MS Internet Explorer Version 3.02 1.select View 2.select Options 3.select the Connection tab 4.select the Advanced tab 5.at the bottom of the Advanced page, click on the Automatic Configuration button 6.enter in the URL 7.click on Refresh then click on OK in the popup box 8.click on Apply then OK on the Options menu Happy Holidays! Jim ---- Jim Barrett : jbarrett@acad.suffolk.edu : (617) 573-8592 Suffolk University Law School Library, Boston, Mass. USA From westra at montana.edu Thu Dec 23 14:20:14 1999 From: westra at montana.edu (Brian Westra) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] journals online In-Reply-To: <199912221210.AA38142094@mail.mville.edu> Message-ID: Like several others, at present we are extracting the data from vendor's title lists, then putting it into a relational database. We serve it via ColdFusion. At the moment we only provide information on titles having some kind of full text coverage in the periodical indexes used by the library. We also plan on using this or a similar approach for listing available ejournals. http://fusion.lib.montana.edu/journals/ I also agree with Dan that the jake project is doing some fantastic work, and is well worth the look. It may someday replace what we have right now. Brian Westra Assistant Professor/Reference Librarian westra@montana.edu Montana State University Libraries (406)994-5298 P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Tami-Jo Eckley wrote: > Are there any good solutions out there for extracting all the journals indexed from each subscription database? Any Home Made Web Solutions? I am interested in hearing about how other libraries are solving this issue. Thanks. > > -- > Tami-Jo Eckley > Electronic Services & Media Librarian > Manhattanville College Library > Purchase, New York 10577 > http://www.mville.edu/library > ______________________________________ > > -- > From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Thu Dec 23 15:46:07 1999 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: File-naming Conventions (was: Uploading graphics) In-Reply-To: <38610289.680BD63E@loc.gov> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991223144607.0128d450@newton.baruch.cuny.edu> Although this is a matter of personal preference, the advantage of always using lower case is that you don't have to worry any longer about random--and it generally is randon--capitalization when linking to a file. I used to work with Unix where case did matter and now, although I've got NT, I still stick to lower case--it's just one less thing to think about. As far as underscore v. dot is concerned, again this is a matter of personal preference. I've used underscore so long I can't imagine why anyone would want to use dot :-). Also dot notation is used elsewhere for very different purposes in IP or Java. So I guess you could say, we don't dot a lot around here. Happy Holidays, LEO On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Dan Lester wrote: > >I think we're all in agreement that you should ALWAYS use lower case, NEVER >use spaces in a file name, in order to maximize ease of access. > >My personal suggestion is that you never use underscores, as they're easily >missed by the novice when they get hidden by the underlining in a link. I >also always use . (periods, dots) between parts of file names when I want >to distinguish words for another reason. They're much easier to type than >an underscore or a hyphen. o-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Leo Robert Klein 17 Lexington Ave, Box H0520 Web Coordinator & New York, NY. 10010 Digital Resources Developer tel: (212) 802-2373 Newman Library/Baruch College fax: (212) 802-2360 http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu email: Leo_Klein@baruch.cuny.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From csnow at purdue.edu Thu Dec 23 19:30:15 1999 From: csnow at purdue.edu (Carl Snow) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy Settings for IE 3.0 References: <005801bf4d68$2bcc2580$3c1e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: <001a01bf4da6$0ccaf240$cf3e0dd0@dcwi.com> You might wish to take a look at http://www.lib.purdue.edu/proxy.html Carl Snow Network Access Librarian Purdue University Libraries ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Barclay To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy Settings for IE 3.0 > We are writing user instructions for configuring Internet Explorer browsers > to use a proxy server. > > For IE 4.X, you chose: View, Internet Options, Connections. > > For IE 5.0, you chose: Tools, Internet Options, Connections. > > We don't have IE3.0 here, and I was hoping some kind person on Web4Lib who > has handy access to IE3.0 could tell me how you configure it to use a proxy > server. I'm guessing its the same for IE3.0 as it is for IE4.X, but it is > best not to guess. Thanks for any help with this one. > > Donald A. Barclay > Houston Academy of Medicine- always the beautiful answer > Texas Medical Center Library who asks the more beautiful question > donaldb@library.tmc.edu -- e. e. cummings > > From spober at manhattan.edu Sat Dec 25 01:19:05 1999 From: spober at manhattan.edu (spober@manhattan.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:01 2005 Subject: journals online References: <199912241703.JAA22908@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <386461D9.157C@manhattan.edu> Earlier this year I did a consolidated browsable list of links to the journals we had access to through the various vendors (UMI, Lexis-Nexis, etc.) at the time: http://web1.manhattan.edu/library/journals/jinfo.html That was done by putting the journal lists from the vendors into spreadsheet program, doing various sorts, then adding HTML to link to the specific vendor sites. It was a little tedious to do but not particularly challenging from a technical standpoint. However, some of the links posted here were searchable journal databases and very impressive. Could some of the creators of the searchable lists tell us a little about just how they created those? Also, a related question for those of you who create and maintain these journal databases. What are you doing about the journal lists from Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe? The downloadable source database does not distinguish full-text titles from those for which only abstracts are availabl (or at least it didn't do this the last time I downloaded it.) Their own searchable source list is also somewhat buggy, in that the links to "Search This Title" sometimes go to the wrong database segment. I went to some of the library sites that had searchable lists from the URL's posted on Web4lib and I notice that for the individual journal records, the links usually go either to the main gateway page into the vendor's site or else they link to the vendor's journal list. I know that for selected titles, a few libraries have chosen to write URL's that link directly to a search for the individual publication, but AFAIK those links are usually done by hand-coding. Still, that would be ideal for most users - to click from the library's list of journals available in full-text directly to the search page that specifies a search in that specific publication. Has anyone managed to automate the creation of those links for any of their vendors? Best, Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries spober@manhattan.edu raingoddess@juno.com From spober at manhattan.edu Sat Dec 25 07:22:27 1999 From: spober at manhattan.edu (spober@manhattan.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:04 2005 Subject: ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC Message-ID: <3864B703.2DB2@manhattan.edu> > From: "Barton Spencer" > Also, what is your model for authenticating off-campus users when > they look at a MARC record for an electronically-available > journal in your OPAC and click on the link? What method do you > use to determine that they are valid users? Our e-journals are not in our OPAC, but we've been using EZproxy (from www.usefulutilities.com) to authenticate users. It's a proxy server that works as a URL re-writer, which in practice means it does not have to be set up at the user end. The URL for the EZproxy server is embedded into the URL for the e-journal (or other restricted resource) in the following manner: Instead of a direct link to: http://vendor.com/journalurl.htm It becomes: http://www.ourproxyserver.edu/login?url=http://vendor.com/journalurl.htm The proxy server looks at the incoming connection and only prompts for user authentication (in our case, the library barcode number) when the user is coming in on a non-campus IP address. I particularly like this solution because the users don't have to do anything on their end to set up home access - if they have their barcode number handy, they're good to go. EZproxy was simple to set up and much less expensive than some other solutions I've seen offered. The proxy server URL can be embedded into a OPAC URL just as easily as it can be put into a web page. Stacy Pober Information Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries spober@manhattan.edu raingoddess@juno.com From spober at manhattan.edu Sat Dec 25 07:23:17 1999 From: spober at manhattan.edu (spober@manhattan.edu) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:04 2005 Subject: Elegant solution to login requirements? Message-ID: <3864B735.5889@manhattan.edu> Unfortunately, not all vendors and journal publishers are allowing access via IP authentication. What are people doing to provide access to those databases (like certain ejournals) that require all users to authenticate with a login and password? I was considering putting the login and password info on an internal page that could only be accessed by users who are on-site or who have been authenticated by our proxy server. This would work, but it's a little awkward, to say the least. Stacy Pober Informtion Alchemist Manhattan College Libraries spober@manhattan.edu raingoddess@juno.com From dan at 84.com Sat Dec 25 13:32:34 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Elegant solution to login requirements? In-Reply-To: <3864B735.5889@manhattan.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991225113200.00b59400@mail.adaptive.net> At 01:33 AM 12/25/99 -0800, spober@manhattan.edu wrote: >Unfortunately, not all vendors and journal publishers are allowing >access via IP authentication. > >What are people doing to provide access to those databases (like certain >ejournals) that require all users to authenticate with a login and >password? Easy. We're not dealing with them. When they wake up and smell the coffee, then we'll consider them. And, yes, we tell them the reason. happy holidays dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From transit at primenet.com Sat Dec 25 17:04:04 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Elegant solution to login requirements? In-Reply-To: <3864B735.5889@manhattan.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 spober@manhattan.edu wrote: > Unfortunately, not all vendors and journal publishers are allowing > access via IP authentication. > > What are people doing to provide access to those databases (like certain > ejournals) that require all users to authenticate with a login and > password? At King/Drew Health Science Library, we pass out a sheet to registered borrowers with all the passwords. Not too many people use it, though. There are so many different rules. Some require IP authentication (and can't be used off campus), others require a password, some allow both. Our favorites are the ones that have been mounted on aggregator sites (Ebsco Online, Journals at Ovid), or better yet, allow their full-text records to be linked to a searchable database (Ovid). From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Dec 26 15:56:34 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:08 2005 Subject: of mouse balls and geocities Message-ID: <018601bf4fe4$5657ddc0$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> A forthcoming column for AL is evolving from a discussion about bad patrons to a more meandering (and hopefully funnier) treatise on conundra in online patron behavior... such as the patron who opens two dozen windows in Netscape, tries to edit a Geocities website and then insists that the computer is "broken..." or people who steal mouse balls (why?). I'm also throwing in anecdotes of patron "emergencies" that turned out to be trivial (and in retrospect, at least, funny). if you have input... drop me a line! Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY http://www.shenpublib.org From fox at rowland.org Mon Dec 27 08:58:49 1999 From: fox at rowland.org (Chiara Fox) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: Publishers and Web 'Reprints' Message-ID: Hello Everyone- I work at a small scientific research library. Many of our scientists want to have PDF versions of their papers on their lab's Web page. Unfortuntaly, as everyone knows, each publisher has a different "Web reprint" policy. We want to make sure that no one violates the copyright permission of a publisher by hosting a PDF when they shouldn't. We are looking into making a Web page that lists the policies of the publishers our scientists use most. I'm envisioning a page that lists the publisher (ie: ACS), generally what they allow (Can post title, abstract, tables and figures), and a link to the publisher's Web page for more detailed information, when available. I have two main questions for the list: Has anyone else done this, and if so, can I have a look? I don't really want to reinvent the wheel. Second, should I post the URL of the page to the list once I've created the page? Is this something people are interested in? Thanks for you help and I hope you are enjoying the holidays! -Chiara Fox _____ Technical Services Librarian The Rowland Institute for Science Cambridge, Massachusetts 617.497.4616 617.497.4627 (fax) http://www.rowland.org/ From dlords at library.utah.edu Mon Dec 27 09:39:31 1999 From: dlords at library.utah.edu (Debra Lords) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] of mouse balls and geocities References: <018601bf4fe4$5657ddc0$283c1d18@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <38677A23.68C4C417@library.utah.edu> My favorite comes from our campus e-mail service for which the help desk is maintained in the library. A student came in angry, demanding satisfaction. She insisted she was being discriminated against with her e-mail account. Explaining the problem to the befuddled help desk assistant, she said she had an unreasonably long @ name to type in. The assistant attempted to explain that @[machineName].[domain].utah.edu is the standard pattern for all university addresses. "Well then," she demanded to know, "why did you give my friends short ones like @aol.com?" -- Debbie +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Debra Lords Experience is what you dlords@library.utah.edu have just right after ACLIS Labs you need it. 585-9810 "Karen G. Schneider" wrote: > > A forthcoming column for AL is evolving from a discussion about bad patrons > to a more meandering (and hopefully funnier) treatise on conundra in online > patron behavior... such as the patron who opens two dozen windows in > Netscape, tries to edit a Geocities website and then insists that the > computer is "broken..." or people who steal mouse balls (why?). I'm also > throwing in anecdotes of patron "emergencies" that turned out to be trivial > (and in retrospect, at least, funny). if you have input... drop me a line! > > Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com > Assistant Director of Technology > Shenendehowa Public Library, Clifton Park, NY > http://www.shenpublib.org From josepha at marquette.edu Mon Dec 27 10:19:53 1999 From: josepha at marquette.edu (A.G. Joseph) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: FP2000 Message-ID: <38678399.7F493FF7@marquette.edu> I would like to hear from folks who use FP2000 to see how they like that editior. Is it true that pages created with FP2000 will not allow you to use any other web editor? It should be either FP2000 or nothing, is that the way it is? I want to suggest FP2000 in our library to our Systems person. We still use FP97 and WordPad for editing and creating pages. It is okay, but FP97 cannot hold very large files, like our monthly acquisitions list. WP is like any wordprocessing program. Any suggestion is highly appreciated. --angelina Angelina G. Joseph Marquette University Law Library P.O. Box 3137 Milwaukee, WI 53201-3137 Phone: 414-288-5553 Fax: 414-288-5914 email: josepha@marquette.edu url: http://studsys.mscs.mu.edu/~joseph ___________________________________________ For my always up-to-date contact information, click here: http://www.planetall.com/main.asp?cid=523315 It's private, secure, and free! From collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us Mon Dec 27 10:05:41 1999 From: collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us (Deanna Collison) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: of mouse balls and such Message-ID: <38678045.3AC449E9@uhls.lib.ny.us> I've had a lot of funny experiences with people who have no idea what a computer is or how to operate it. One day soon after installing our new OPAC PC's, I noticed a patron standing in front of it looking at the screen. When asked if she needed help, she replied "no". She stood there for a few more minutes and my attention was drawn elsewhere. Pretty soon I hear a low murmuring from behind the monitor. She was talking to it like it was a computer from the show Star Trek! She thought she could give it voice commands! I tried to keep a straight face when I went over to help her, but it was hard! Peace, Deanna Collison -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: collisod.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 447 bytes Desc: Card for Deanna Collison Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19991227/cbf99dba/collisod.vcf From dan at 84.com Mon Dec 27 12:11:21 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FP2000 In-Reply-To: <38678399.7F493FF7@marquette.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991227093317.00b49ef0@mail.adaptive.net> At 07:22 AM 12/27/99 -0800, A.G. Joseph wrote: >I would like to hear from folks who use FP2000 to see how they like >that editior. Over twenty of my colleagues, both professional and paraprofessional, use it very successfully for both internal and public web pages. I've trained them all, but most need little training for routine pages, graphics, layout, forms, and so forth. >Is it true that pages created with FP2000 will not >allow you to use any other web editor? Of course not. Web pages are nothing but text files containing HTML tags. I've used ColdFusion Studio, HomeSite, Adobe GoLive, Notepad, and other editors on web pages created in FP2K. >It should be either FP2000 >or nothing, is that the way it is? Well, if you standardize on one editor your life will undoubtedly be simpler. But that is true on word processors, spreadsheets, or other programs, too. We generally standardize to simplify communications and training, but don't require it. >I want to suggest FP2000 in our library to our Systems person. >We still use FP97 and WordPad for editing and creating pages. >It is okay, but FP97 cannot hold very large files, like our monthly >acquisitions list. WP is like any wordprocessing program. >Any suggestion is highly appreciated. I've never run into any file size limitations on FP2000, but can't guarantee there aren't any. FP2000 is much better than FP97 or 98, and doesn't mess with code created in other programs. dan >--angelina >Angelina G. Joseph >Marquette University Law Library >P.O. Box 3137 >Milwaukee, WI 53201-3137 >Phone: 414-288-5553 >Fax: 414-288-5914 >email: josepha@marquette.edu >url: http://studsys.mscs.mu.edu/~joseph >___________________________________________ >For my always up-to-date contact information, click here: >http://www.planetall.com/main.asp?cid=523315 >It's private, secure, and free! > -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From stbowers at lj.cahners.com Mon Dec 27 12:41:53 1999 From: stbowers at lj.cahners.com (Bowers, Stacey (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 27, 1999 --> Message-ID: THIS WEEK ON LJDIGITAL, DECEMBER 27, 1999 --> http://www.libraryjournal.com NEWS --> "McCain Making Filters a Campaign Issue" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991227_13126.asp "ALA Membership Reaches Record Level" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991227_13124.asp "China Releases Wife of Detained Dickinson College Librarian" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991227_13123.asp "Missouri Attorney General Backs Library in Little House Imbroglio" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991227_13121.asp "Library Use Rises in Colorado" http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991227_13120.asp ALSO ON LJDIGITAL --> PREPUB ALERT Fiction in May 2000.... Literary grand masters Bellow and Roth as well as Richard Brautigan's last novel. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/books/prepubalert/prepubalertindex.asp DIGITAL LIBRARIES The Role of Open Source Software What is all the fuss about? http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/infotech/digitallibraries/digitallibraries index.asp FEEDBACK "...[L]ibraries that follow ALA policies regarding free access to information and ideas are upholding 'The American Way..." http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/views/feedback/feedbackindex.asp PREPUB BEST SELLERS Books most in demand by libraries and bookstores from Baker & Taylor Books nationwide for the months prior to the week ending December 25, 1999. http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/bestsellers/prepub/prepubbsindex.asp NOMINATE A SUPPORT STAFFER! Library Journal is accepting nominations for its first-ever Paraprofessional of the Year award, to be announced in the March 15, 2000 issue. Find out how to submit nominations here: http://www.ljdigital.com/articles/news/thisweek/19991129_12825.asp *************************** Stacey Bowers Producer LJ Digital http://www.ljdigital.com stbowers@lj.cahners.com 212.337.7054 *************************** From mweeks at ci.glendora.ca.us Mon Dec 27 13:01:54 1999 From: mweeks at ci.glendora.ca.us (Marsha Weeks) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Frontpage 2000 problem? In-Reply-To: <385FE2F2.445DFFF7@maple.iren.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991227100154.007d97b0@ci.glendora.ca.us> I experienced the same problem too. The solution I found was to rename the forms with an .htm extension. We have always used .html and this worked fine in FP98 but does not for some reason in FP2000. At 12:27 PM 12/21/1999 -0800, Michael J. Dargan wrote: >Our experience with FrontPage 98 has been quite good. However, when we >upgraded to FP2000 our forms would no longer work. Has anyone else seen >this problem? > >Also, is FP2000's ability to upload to a website limited by version of >extensions on the server? For example, if an IIS3.0 server had FP98 >extensions, would that prevent FP2000 from publishing to it? > >Thanks. > > > Marsha Weeks, Systems Librarian Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741 (626) 852-4891 Phone / (626) 852-4899 Fax __ __) (, /| /| /) / | / | _ __ _ (/ _ ) / |/ |_ (_(_/ (_/_)_/ )_(_(_ =-=-=-=-=-=-= =^..^= -=-=-=-=-=-= (_/ ' | mweeks@ci.glendora.ca.us | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | City of Glendora Home Page -> http://www.ci.glendora.ca.us/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dan at 84.com Mon Dec 27 13:29:16 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Publishers and Web 'Reprints' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991227112651.00b592b0@mail.adaptive.net> At 06:04 AM 12/27/99 -0800, Chiara Fox wrote: >We are looking into making a Web page that lists the policies of the >publishers our scientists use most. I'm envisioning a page that lists the >publisher (ie: ACS), generally what they allow (Can post title, abstract, >tables and figures), and a link to the publisher's Web page for more >detailed information, when available. I'd be hesitant about doing anything beyond linking to the publishers' pages describing their policies. If you get into summarizing or anything else, you have potential liability exposure. This exposure could be extended if it was a public page instead of on your intranet. You're also committing yourself to keep the summaries up to date. Finally, some authors may have negotiated agreements that differ from the standard. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From gmasters at tamiu.edu Mon Dec 27 15:05:16 1999 From: gmasters at tamiu.edu (Gary E. Masters) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] re: of mouse balls and such References: <38678045.3AC449E9@uhls.lib.ny.us> Message-ID: <3867C67C.1843DD82@tamiu.edu> I talk to my computers a lot. Prayer works best, but threats are also effective. (smile) Gary Masters Deanna Collison wrote: > I've had a lot of funny experiences with people who have no idea what a > computer is or how to operate it. One day soon after installing our new > OPAC PC's, I noticed a patron standing in front of it looking at the > screen. When asked if she needed help, she replied "no". She stood there > for a few more minutes and my attention was drawn elsewhere. Pretty soon > I hear a low murmuring from behind the monitor. She was talking to it > like it was a computer from the show Star Trek! She thought she could > give it voice commands! I tried to keep a straight face when I went over > to help her, but it was hard! > Peace, Deanna Collison From gmasters at tamiu.edu Mon Dec 27 15:03:51 1999 From: gmasters at tamiu.edu (Gary E. Masters) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FP2000 References: <38678399.7F493FF7@marquette.edu> Message-ID: <3867C627.25C2FCAD@tamiu.edu> We have been happy with Dreamweaver2 (for the good HTML) and have been testing GoLive for our video shots. We are interested in several others. We have an FP97, but used Netscape more than it. Our page is www.tamiu.edu - and the library portion is my responsibility (along with lots of help and a newly appointed "webmaster." The mistakes are mine. The good parts (like the full video of our groundbreaking) was done by someone else. We started with Netscape editor and a text editor. I guess it is all in what you can get the best training for. It seems that many think it should be FP2000, but never give a reason. Can you help explain why it is the first choice of so many? Thanks, Gary Masters "A.G. Joseph" wrote: > I would like to hear from folks who use FP2000 to see how they like > that editior. Is it true that pages created with FP2000 will not > allow you to use any other web editor? It should be either FP2000 > or nothing, is that the way it is? > I want to suggest FP2000 in our library to our Systems person. > We still use FP97 and WordPad for editing and creating pages. > It is okay, but FP97 cannot hold very large files, like our monthly > acquisitions list. WP is like any wordprocessing program. > Any suggestion is highly appreciated. > --angelina > Angelina G. Joseph > Marquette University Law Library > P.O. Box 3137 > Milwaukee, WI 53201-3137 > Phone: 414-288-5553 > Fax: 414-288-5914 > email: josepha@marquette.edu > url: http://studsys.mscs.mu.edu/~joseph > ___________________________________________ > For my always up-to-date contact information, click here: > http://www.planetall.com/main.asp?cid=523315 > It's private, secure, and free! From gmasters at tamiu.edu Mon Dec 27 15:14:03 1999 From: gmasters at tamiu.edu (Gary E. Masters) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: One more thing - Word Pad and the rest References: <38678399.7F493FF7@marquette.edu> Message-ID: <3867C88B.FE792130@tamiu.edu> "A.G. Joseph" wrote: > I > It is okay, but FP97 cannot hold very large files, like our monthly > acquisitions list. WP is like any wordprocessing program. Notepad does not put code into the file, so we use it for HTML work and editing programs. We could use SuperPad for large documents. I got it several years ago and don't know if it is still available. It could do some really large files. I would break the large files up so they load faster. But that may not be a problem where you are at. Regards, Gary Masters From bboru at si.umich.edu Mon Dec 27 15:31:58 1999 From: bboru at si.umich.edu (Brian Sheppard) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: One more thing - Word Pad and the rest Message-ID: In this regard, I'd highly recommend BBedit (http://www.bbedit.com/), but if your constrained to Windows, try Textpad (http://www.textpad.com/). It's the next best thing, and that's *very* good. - Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: Gary E. Masters To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: One more thing - Word Pad and the rest "A.G. Joseph" wrote: > I > It is okay, but FP97 cannot hold very large files, like our monthly > acquisitions list. WP is like any wordprocessing program. Notepad does not put code into the file, so we use it for HTML work and editing programs. We could use SuperPad for large documents. I got it several years ago and don't know if it is still available. It could do some really large files. I would break the large files up so they load faster. But that may not be a problem where you are at. Regards, Gary Masters From dan at 84.com Mon Dec 27 17:26:59 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: FP2000 In-Reply-To: <3867C627.25C2FCAD@tamiu.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991227151004.00b4a7f0@mail.adaptive.net> At 12:15 PM 12/27/99 -0800, Gary E. Masters wrote: >It seems that many think it should be FP2000, but never give a reason. > >Can you help explain why it is the first choice of so many? I'm not a major MS fan in general. We are a Win9x and NT shop for a variety of reasons, with one Sun box on Solaris. Why are we on MS so extensively? In 1990, when we had eight computers instead of over 200, we made a conscious business decision to go with PC boxes instead of Apple. It was, and still is, the right decision for us. That of course led us down the path of Win3.1, Win95, Win98, and WinNT. All of our new PCs come with MS software on them. The university has a license for reduced prices on MS software through the campus bookstore. We pay $59 for FP2K, and $39 for a license for FP2K (i.e., minus the "book" and the CDROM). We can't get software for comparable prices elsewhere. I won't consider a non-GUI web editor for the majority of our staff, nor will they. There are probably two people outside of the computer group who can successfully deal with HTML, and that only because they were early webpage developers. I personally use ColdFusion Studio 4 (HomeSite 4 on steroids and customized for CF) and FP2K, depending on what I'm doing. Other reasons: FP2K is much like Word 2K. All of our staff use Word, and thus the transition to FP is simplified. Forms are very easy for folks to create. Yes, there are lots of goofy bells and whistles, but they're easy to avoid, and that's true of every other program around, whether web or otherwise. Site management capabilities. People can run their own linkchecks in FP2K. If you have several folks working on the same site, you can setup document checkin/checkout to keep people from stepping on each others toes. FP2K is the only web editor officially supported on campus. It is rare that we need any outside help, however. The FP2K extensions install easily and are administered fairly easily. You don't have to use IIS. We run O'Reilly WebSite on two physical servers, about twenty virtual servers. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I'm not an FP2K evangelist, and I definitely like Dreamweaver, and Adobe GoLive is OK too. Sure, none of them produce beautiful, handcrafted, super-lean code, but for the real world in a production environment, I just don't care. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Mon Dec 27 17:29:55 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: One more thing - Word Pad and the rest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991227152736.00b3c870@mail.adaptive.net> At 12:30 PM 12/27/99 -0800, Brian Sheppard wrote: >In this regard, I'd highly recommend BBedit (http://www.bbedit.com/), but >if your constrained to Windows, try Textpad (http://www.textpad.com/). >It's the next best thing, and that's *very* good. One other text editor, and by far the best for LARGE files (e.g. 30MB log files) is GWD Text Editor from www.GWDSoft.com. I can do "find"s in log files lightning quick, and it doesn't choke like WordPad does. It is also ideal if you're a programmer. Won't bore you with any more details. Shareware, and quite inexpensive, and definitely worth checking out if you're looking for a fantastic text editor. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From SHSLE at aol.com Tue Dec 28 01:43:36 1999 From: SHSLE at aol.com (SHSLE@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:15 2005 Subject: Summary: Job Hunt Sites Message-ID: <0.da7323cb.2599b618@aol.com> Thank you all for being so nice and for providing lots of URLs to get started on the hunt for web related jobs. The sites: LIBJOBS Listserv, sponsored by IFLANET Send the following to: LISTSERV@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA in the body of the message: SUBSCRIBE LIBJOBS firstname lastname "an excellent source of information on jobs available in the library field, including web-related jobs" http://www.chicagojobs.org/library.htm http://www.dbm.com/jobguide/educate.html#lib Monster.com is the biggest by far in terms of job postings and resumes. http://www.owls.lib.wi.us/info/links/employ.htm Colorado State Library: http://jobline.aclin.org/ ALA: http://www.ala.org/education Online Career Center - www.occ.com Recruiters Online Network - www.ipa.com Jobsearchengine.com - mega search engine of career sites Webjobusa.com Hotwired jobs - www.hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/jobs www.hotjobs.com Thanks again. Shelley Shelley Sloboder shsle@aol.com shsle@gis.net From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Tue Dec 28 04:50:25 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:16 2005 Subject: GWD Text Editor Message-ID: <386887E1.F2ACD66E@qglibrary.org.il> The URL Dan gave us is unusable. In order to download a file from the site, go to the following address, find the file you want to download and add it at the end of the URL. http://www.iridis.com/gwd/downloads http://www.iridis.com/gwd/downloads/gte32250.zip Nothing else worked for me. Good luck -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From hanan at qglibrary.org.il Tue Dec 28 05:21:04 1999 From: hanan at qglibrary.org.il (Hanan Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:16 2005 Subject: GWD text editor - correction Message-ID: <38688F10.DDDEEDCA@qglibrary.org.il> Sorry The URL's I gave also don't work. I downloaded a file 22 bytes long. The only thing that DID work for me is to look for gte32250.zip in http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/ -- Hanan Cohen Kibbutz Tamuz - Beit Shemesh http://www.tamuz.org.il Qiriat Gat Library - http://www.qglibrary.org.il In association with : Bashan Systems ***Love and Peace*** From jwfelts at uncg.edu Tue Dec 28 09:10:09 1999 From: jwfelts at uncg.edu (John W. Felts, Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 15:02:16 2005 Subject: ejournals, authentication, etc. In-Reply-To: <199912251703.JAA07342@webjunction.org> Message-ID: Hi all, I created a Microsoft Access database that is accessible through a WWW interface using Active Server Pages scripting. This gives users the ability to browse or search for full-text electronic journals real-time, via the WWW (point your browser to http://library.uncg.edu/ejournals/), and allows me to maintain one record for each ejournal title, rather than having to update one very long or several HTML pages. Of course, this solution works only for those running Windows NT as the NOS, and IIS 4.0 as their WWW server software. I presented on this recently at LITA, and put my Powerpoint screens online if you'd like to see an outline of the process, and how I created this interface (http://library.uncg.edu/depts/eir/jwf.asp). I'm also further elaborating on ejournals at NASIG in June, if anyone happens to be there (sorry for the self- endorsement:). Stacy raises some valid questions, especially pertaining to our old ejournals friend, Lexis-Nexis. Unfortunately, I've found no way to automate incorporating their new source list into our database. Not only are there existing titles w/ different full-text inclusion dates and a slew of new titles, but as Stacy points out, many of the titles aren't full-text. I'm painfully (*very* painfully) going through each and every title and determining full-text availability, ranges of coverage, etc. Jimmy Gaphery at VCU and I have also been trying to figure out a way to script a URL for title-level access to L-N ejournals. This actually works in principle, but the various L-N indexes lack authority, which means you get false drops when scripting to the title. It would be a colossal chore to tweak each and every URL and test for accuracy, but it can be done. Also, the source lists, even though considerably better than two months ago, leave much to be desired. If anyone would like a copy of what I come up with for these L-N titles, I'm happy to share -- just let me know (jwfelts@uncg.edu). For those ejournal titles that originate from aggregate databases such as ProQuest, SearchBank, etc., I send users to a local help page with information on how to locate a specific title in a specific database. Since sessions are dynamically created at the vendor's server, this is the best I can do. There are obvious security issues that arise, too, if a vendor started allowing users to create scripts to be run on their servers. Sounds like fun, though :) I provide title-level access to any titles that have a dedicated URL, such as those in Muse, JSTOR, Academic Press, etc. We use a couple of Perl scripts that walk users through the authentication process. We are currently using MS_Proxy for remote access to these resources, but hope to convert to EZ-Proxy soon since its easier for our patrons to use. We're currently using EZ-Proxy for our database authentication, but, at least as we see it, each URL has to be in a master WWW file, and given that there are hundreds of URLs for these ejournal titles, it'll take us a little time to get to this. I'm also not sure how such a long list might impact EZ-Proxy's functionality. If you have any questions, I'm happy to share ideas. On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 09:03:58 -0800 (PST) web4lib@webjunction.org wrote: > WEB4LIB Digest 1673 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: journals online > by spober@manhattan.edu > 2) Re: ejournals, authentication, and the OPAC > by spober@manhattan.edu > 3) Elegant solution to login requirements? > by spober@manhattan.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Topic No. 1 > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:19:05 -0800 > From: spober@manhattan.edu > To: web4lib@webjunction.org > Subject: Re: journals online > Message-ID: <386461D9.157C@manhattan.edu> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Earlier this year I did a consolidated browsable list of links to the > journals we had access to through the various vendors (UMI, Lexis-Nexis, > etc.) at the time: > http://web1.manhattan.edu/library/journals/jinfo.html > > That was done by putting the journal lists from the vendors into > spreadsheet program, doing various sorts, then adding HTML to link to > the specific vendor sites. It was a little tedious to do but not > particularly challenging from a technical standpoint. > > However, some of the links posted here were searchable journal databases > and very impressive. Could some of the creators of th