From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Aug 1 08:10:01 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Aug 01 Message-ID: <199908011210.IAA17450@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS August 01, 1999 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to listserv@webjunction.org with this single line in the body of the message: unsubscribe web4lib Shortly after you send this command, you should receive a confirmation message from the listserv reading, "You have been removed from list web4lib@webjunction.org. Thanks for being with us." This message usually arrives within a few minutes, but may take a couple of hours if the server is busy; if you do not receive it in a reasonable time, you should contact the list owner, Roy Tennant, at rtennant@library.berkeley.edu. The listserv running Web4Lib is currently ListProc 6.0. This is a powerful and flexible program, and it may offer you options for management and receipt of Web4Lib that you did not know about. For further options, send listserv@webjunction.org the message "help", or consult the command reference at the Web4Lib Web site . WHAT HELP IS AVAILABLE IF THE LISTSERV WON'T DO WHAT I WANT? There are two common reasons why the commands above don't work and give you an error message. One is, ahem, operator error. If you're trying to unsubscribe or issue other listserv commands, make sure that you are spelling both the listserv address and the command correctly. The other common reason why unsubscribe and other commands fail is that your e-mail address has changed since you first subscribed to the list. Sometimes this is because you have chosen to forward mail from your original address to a new one. Sometimes this is due to your organization changing its entire e-mail addressing structure en masse (for example, from addresses like "chris@mailhost.domain.org" to "chris@domain.org"). For security reasons, listserv will only process commands affecting your subscription if the command is mailed from the same address as the original subscription request. If your address has changed, and you are still able to use the old address to send a message, use the old address to unsubscribe from the list and then subscribe from your new address. If (and only if) you have exhausted all the alternatives available at your end, you will need to send e-mail to the listowner, Roy Tennant, at rtennant@library.berkeley.edu. Please be patient: unlike the listserv, Roy is a human and spends several minutes each day doing things other than administering Web4Lib. WHERE ARE THE LIST'S ARCHIVES? WHERE IS ITS WEB SITE? Web4Lib's online home is . Much of the information in this message is based on material at that site. The Web4Lib archives, , provide keyword searching of every message posted to the list since the spring of 1995. The archive can also be browsed by date, subject, or author. WHAT TOPICS ARE USUALLY CONSIDERED ON- AND OFF-TOPIC? The offical posting policy is located at . Please read it. Web4Lib is usually an easy-going place, open to posts that may only be tangential to the core subject of the World Wide Web and libraries. There are some helpful guidelines for keeping Web4Lib productive, however: keep your posts concise and substantive; post when you have something to add, and not simply when you want to express agreement (or disagreement) with an earlier post; post when you have something to say to all of the several thousand subscribers, and not when your message is intended only for one or two individuals; and be civil. Those guidelines aside, some types of posting are always out of line. Advertisements are inappropriate, although you may certainly comment on the merits of a product within the context of a list discussion. Vendors may discuss their products in the same context. Personal attacks, insults, and name-calling may not be posted to the list. Material with copyright restrictions that disallow distribution on the list may not be posted; if you have permission to redistribute the material, you should say so in your post. Finally, virus warnings should NOT be posted to the list until and unless they have been confirmed by CERT or CIAC . Before forwarding a virus warning to anyone, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the history of virus hoaxes at . IS THERE A LIST FOR INTERNET FILTERING? The subject of filtering software for Internet access is not off topic for Web4Lib. However, it is a subject which is certainly capable of generating enough traffic for its own list, and that list is FILT4LIB. To subscribe, send e-mail to filt4lib@public.ci.escondido.ca.us with the word "subscribe" in the subject field, and nothing in the message field. [As of May 17, 1999, it appears FILT4LIB is defunct. Can anyone confirm this or point to its new location?] This list will be distributed to Web4Lib on the 1st and 15th of each month with the subject "Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List". If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From merchant at bayou.com Sun Aug 1 14:33:09 1999 From: merchant at bayou.com (David Merchant) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Thanks, Re: [WEB4LIB] Re: color depth of palm pilots? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990728151804.012fba80@newton.baruch.cuny.edu> Message-ID: <4.1.19990801133216.00955150@mail.bayou.com> Well! I've learned a lot, y'all been a great help! TTFN, David Systems Librarian, Louisiana Tech University javascript list administrator HTML Live Examples webmaster Personal Page From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sun Aug 1 14:48:31 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Beyond _Journal of Internet Cataloging_ Special Issue Message-ID: A year ago, I had the great honor and privilege of participating in a Colloquium on Library Science Research entitled "Internet, Metadata and Information Access to Libraries and Networks in the Electronic Age" at the University Center for Library Science Research (CUIS) of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) [http://cuib.laborales.unam.mx/cursos/coloquio.html ] During the conference I had the pleasure of meeting Michael Gorman, Dean of the California State University Library, Fresno, who gave the colloquium's keynote address; Robin Wendler, Office of Information Systems, Harvard University; Judith Hopkins, University of Buffalo and owner of the Autocat e-list; Sandy Roe of Dakota State University; Traugott Koch of the NetLab of Lund University; and several Mexican librarians and information specialists as well as faculty associated with CUIB, including its director Lic. Elsa Ramirez Leyva, and Dr. Filberto Felipe Martinez-Arellano and Lic. Lina Escalona-Rios, joint coordinators of the Colloquium. Earlier this summer selected papers from the Colloquium were re-published in an issue of the _Journal of Internet Cataloging_ 2(1) . Abstracts of these papers can be read at http://www.haworthpressinc.com/jic/jic2nr1.html I invite my colleagues to review this contents page and when opportunity presents itself to read these excellent contributions [I wish to personally thank Dr. Ruth Carter, editor of JIC, for considering these papers for re-publication in a special issue, and CUIB for its permission]. Although not include in JIC, the presentation by Traugott Koch is available online at: http://www.ub2.lu.se/tk/demos/mex9808a.html All conference papers, including a number by our Mexican and Latin colleagues, are scheduled to be published / have been published in a separate conference proceedings. I wish to formally thank my hosts at CUIB for their gracious hospitality and kindness, for their support, and for the opportunity to participate in this most informative, stimulating, and provocative program. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) and Science and Technology Librarian and Bibliographer Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From marian.dworaczek at usask.ca Sun Aug 1 21:34:04 1999 From: marian.dworaczek at usask.ca (Marian Dworaczek) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information Message-ID: The August 1st, 1999 edition of the "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM The page-specific "Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information" and the accompanying "Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. Over 1,000 titles were identified and indexed in great detail for this project. Thousands of URLs (Uniform Resource Locators) were added to various entries. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. This message has been crossposted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek * *Head, Acquisitions Department * *and Head, Technical Services Division * *University of Saskatchewan Libraries * *E-mail: dworaczek@sklib.usask.ca * *Phone: (306) 966-6016 * *Fax: (306) 966-5919 * *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze * ************************************************* From diane at kovacs.com Mon Aug 2 00:08:36 1999 From: diane at kovacs.com (Diane K. Kovacs) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Come to Fall MOO Conference Message-ID: Annual Educational MOO Conference: Come join us to explore the various uses of MOO. Mix with beginners and experienced folks and share what you have learned.Learn to MOO!! Help others enhance their experiences. October 15 - 17, 1999 MOO - The Missing Link in Online Education? Sponsored by: DU Educational Technology Services (DUETS) Inc. The Office for Information Technology, Virginia Commonwealth University Location: Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia Registration and other information http://www.du.org/dusvcs/duinfo/conference.html Theme "MOO -- The Missing Link in Online Education?" This meeting will explore how virtual educational environments such as MOOs are being used to support online education, particularly in conjunction with other educational tools. If you don't wish to receive mass mailings like this, use: @mailoption +no_mass_mail after connecting to your Diversity University Main Campus MOO character. ______________________________________________________________________ Diane K. Kovacs, Kovacs Consulting Internet & World Wide Web Training http://www.kovacs.com (330)273-5032 - fax: (330)225-0083 ______________________________________________________________________ _Cybrarians Guide to Successful Internet Programs and Services_ _The Internet Trainer's Total Solution Guide_ (Forthcoming! from Neal-Schumann)_The Essential Guide to *Electronic Library* Collection Development on the Web: Selection Criteria and Core Collections_ (Fall 1999!) _Health and Medicine on the Internet_ http://www.amazon.com/ 14th Revision Directory of Scholarly and Professional E-Conferences http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/kovacs/ From courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Aug 3 09:36:11 1999 From: courtois at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Martin Courtois) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Flash and Fireworks-worth getting? hard to use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I talk to my colleages who want to develop web-based tutorials, it's enabling the user to interact with the material being taught that's the big thing. The example that Scott mentions has pop-up text, text that moves across the screen, and buttons that twirl, but the only interaction required is to click on the "Forward" button to move on to the next page. I realize this is a work in progress and interactive elements may still be under development. Do Flash and Fireworks have the potential to develop true interaction, such as seen in Xiaodong Li's excellent "Landview III Tutorial" (http://library.tamu.edu/hss/landview/)? Thanks, Marty *********************************************************** Martin Courtois Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Reference Librarian Gelman Library George Washington University 2130 H St., N.W. Washington DC 20052 Phone: (202) 994-0684 FAX: (202) 994-1340 E-mail: courtois@gwu.edu On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, d scott brandt wrote: snip > > While I agree with most of what Dowling said regarding the use (or misuse) > of software like Flash in attempts to simply make sites more attractive or > "trendy" looking, I wouldn't agree that "Animation is an express route to > user annoyance." Simple animation, maybe. But not animation which does > have a purpose. (His point, I take it, is that most doesn't.) > > Check out: http://www.lib.purdue.edu/~techman/ovidprn.swf While > this is just a piece of a work in progress, it does demonstrate some of > the potential of Flash for use in things like tutorials. (BTW, the Flash > Lessons tutorial which comes with the product focuses on using it > primarily for drawing, but I think the interactivity and animation are > much more likely to be readily usable.) snip > > D. Scott Brandt Technology Training Librarian > Associate Professor Purdue University Libraries > > > > > From mconroy at ohionet.org Tue Aug 3 10:38:20 1999 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: (Position) OHIONET - Library Technology Consultant Message-ID: <0DFCC88B5925D2119EDF00A0C9CE02DF202A03@OHIONETSERVER> Position Announcement Library Technology Consultant OHIONET is seeking an experienced information professional to fill the position of Library Technology Consultant. The ideal applicant will have an MLS/MIS degree, 1 to 2 years of professional experience working with technical issues in libraries, advanced system and LAN administration skills, familiarity with Integrated library systems (specifically Innovative Interfaces Innopac system), extensive experience with the Internet, training, and Web development. Duties include: System administration, project management, technology consulting for OHIONET member libraries, Web design/site management, and technology training. OHIONET offers a flexible work environment, a competitive salary, and excellent benefits. Salary range minimum in the lower $30s. OHIONET is a not-for-profit membership organization that serves more than 200 libraries in Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Please send your resume, cover letter, and salary requirements to: James D. Rubottom OHIONET Director of Library Technologies 1500 W. Lane Ave, Columbus, OH 43221 Email: jamesr@ohionet.org Toll Free: 800-686-8975 x 24 (OH, MI, PA, WV) Phone: 614-486-2966 x 24 Fax: 614-486-1527 From WMinkel at cahners.com Tue Aug 3 11:42:43 1999 From: WMinkel at cahners.com (Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tech news for everyone BUT academic libraries? Message-ID: Folks-- Working here at School Library Journal, I need to find Net sources that report on cutting-edge uses of technology in non-academic settings, particularly public & school libraries. Can anyone recommend good non-academic library technology news sites & sources? Thanks! --W ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Walter Minkel * Technology Editor, School Library Journal * www.slj.com wminkel@cahners.com * (212) 463-6721 * fax (212) 463-6689 From AAlbanese at cahners.com Tue Aug 3 11:47:30 1999 From: AAlbanese at cahners.com (Albanese, Andrew (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Headlines from the August 3rd edition of the Library Journal Acad emic Newswire Message-ID: Headlines from the August 3rd edition of the Library Journal Academic Newswire --UCITA approved; ALA vows to make noise in states --California Digital Library discloses major deal --Ohio U. announces new dean --Controversial school signs deal with New Jersey City U. --Liebscher appointed dean at Catholic U. --Library of American Museum of Natural History awarded $2M grant to digitize collections The Newswire also includes sections on people and jobs. For information or to subscribe to the Newswire, please go to http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/newswire/newswire.html From KaayA at trinitydc.edu Tue Aug 3 12:27:53 1999 From: KaayA at trinitydc.edu (Anne Kaay) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Netscape email and security questions Message-ID: Greetings. I'm hoping to get some feedback on how other libraries are addressing the use of Netscape email on their OPAC terminals. Currently, our staff and students use Groupwise for email and are discouraged from using Netscape Messenger as their email application; however, more pc-savvy students can use Netscape Messenger by editing preferences as needed so it's not impossible to do. However, the primary rationale provided by our Information Tech. people for discouraging use of Netscape is "relay rape" and the "lack of adequate security" -meaning that a user could easily disguise their identity and send out spam and/or messages in the name of other people (e.g. faculty, staff, etc.) However, this also has some undesirable effects - e.g. discourages most users from emailing useful websites under the "Send page" option in Netscape (unless preferences are edited); forces all users to use groupwise (web-based client for students, pc and web clients for staff) as their email application, with its atttendant strengths/weaknesses. What we would appreciate knowing is how other academic libraries are addressing the use of the Netscape Messenger application; specifically, 1. Are your users allowed/prevented from using netscape's mail application, for similar reasons? 2. Are these security risks present in other applications (e.g. groupwise?). Any other points re: the use of netscape email and security are also welcome. Kindly reply to me and I can summarize for the list if desired. TIA for any assisatance you can provide... Anne Kaay Catalog & Systems Librarian Trinity College 125 Michigan Avenue, NE Washington, D.C. 20017 Phone: (202)884-9354 Fax: (202)884-9362 Email: kaaya@trinitydc.edu From jdemal at stcc.cc.tx.us Tue Aug 3 14:10:02 1999 From: jdemal at stcc.cc.tx.us (Jacques d'Emal) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Position Announcement (TX) Message-ID: South Texas Community College Job Announcement # 2000-2022 Job Title: REFERENCE/CIRCULATION LIBRARIAN- Starr County Department: Library Services Reports To: Director of Library Services FLSA Status: Exempt Salary: $36,000/year minimum Starting Date: September 1, 1999 Closing Date: Open until filled. Screening to begin August 16, 1999 SUMMARY Under the direction of the Director, performs tasks necessary to information/reference assistance to STCC library patrons, and assists in collection development at the Starr County Campus. ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES include the following. Other duties may be assigned. 1. Provides assistance to students and faculty in the utilization of traditional print and non-print library resources, materials and equipment 2. Participates in bibliographic instruction program as needed 3. Assists in developing and maintaining circulating and reference collections 4. Assists in maintaining current, accurate departmental files and records policy and procedures manuals 5. Keeps abreast of current developments in specific job related fields 6. Trains and supervises non-professional staff as assigned and as necessary 7. Develops print-based and electronic self-instructional guides to library resources and services for patron use 8. Assists with circulation services as needed 9. Builds and maintains good public/working relations with those with whom the position requires interaction 10. Keeps abreast of and follows current library policies, procedures and protocol 11. Performs other tasks of similar scope and nature as necessary QUALIFICATIONS To perform this job successfully, an individual must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. The requirements listed below are representative of the knowledge, skill, and/or ability required. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions. 1. Experience with, or training in, traditional reference materials and equipment and automated library information systems 2. Experience with, or training in, a UNIX operating system (preferred but not required) 3. Experience with, or training in, electronic reference materials and equipment 4. Able to operate desktop computers including DOS, Windows and Apple Systems 5. Strong written and oral interpersonal communication skills EDUCATION and/or EXPERIENCE Master's degree in library science For more Information: SOUTH TEXAS COMMUNITY COLLEGE OFFICE OF HUMAN RESOURCES PO BOX 9701 McAllen, TX 78502 http://www.stcc.cc.tx.us/jobs/index.html No person shall be excluded from participation in, denied the benefits of, or be subject to discrimination under any program or activity sponsored or conducted by South Texas Community College on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, age, veteran status, or disability. From miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us Tue Aug 3 09:45:07 1999 From: miked at tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us (miked@tsaw03.wplwloo.lib.ia.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape email and security questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne-- > I'm hoping to get some feedback on how other libraries are addressing > the use of Netscape email on their OPAC terminals. Currently, our staff > and students use Groupwise for email and are discouraged from using > Netscape Messenger as their email application; however, more pc-savvy > students can use Netscape Messenger by editing preferences as needed so > it's not impossible to do. Make it impossible. Use Netscape Standalone 4.08 which doesn't have Netscape Messenger. Also, disable preferences by renaming or removing the prefui32.dll file. If you still have trouble with people changing your settings (someone might carry their own prefui32.dll on a diskette or could download one) consider locking the whole thing down with a combination of Fortres 101 and either Ikiosk or Cooler. Full Control by Bardon Software is also effective and economical. > > However, the primary rationale provided by our Information Tech. people > for discouraging use of Netscape is "relay rape" and the "lack of > adequate security" -meaning that a user could easily disguise their > identity and send out spam and/or messages in the name of other people > (e.g. faculty, staff, etc.) Right. Letting unauthenticated users have access to Netscape Messengeer is irresponsible. > > However, this also has some undesirable effects - e.g. discourages most > users from emailing useful websites under the "Send page" option in > Netscape (unless preferences are edited); Why can't they write down the URL and send it once they're back on their own email? Surely, if it's that important it can wait. On the other hand, if it's just another Dilbert cartoon. . . . >forces all users to use > groupwise (web-based client for students, pc and web clients for staff) > as their email application, with its atttendant strengths/weaknesses. > > What we would appreciate knowing is how other academic libraries are > addressing the use of the Netscape Messenger application; specifically, > > 1. Are your users allowed/prevented from using netscape's mail > application, for similar reasons? > 2. Are these security risks present in other applications (e.g. > groupwise?). > > Any other points re: the use of netscape email and security are also > welcome. > > Kindly reply to me and I can summarize for the list if desired. > > TIA for any assisatance you can provide... > > > > Anne Kaay > Catalog & Systems Librarian > Trinity College > 125 Michigan Avenue, NE > Washington, D.C. 20017 > Phone: (202)884-9354 > Fax: (202)884-9362 > Email: kaaya@trinitydc.edu > From schnell.9 at osu.edu Tue Aug 3 15:22:46 1999 From: schnell.9 at osu.edu (Eric Schnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Updated: Writing for the Web: A Primer for Librarians Message-ID: <199908031922.PAA26565@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> ** Posted to multiple lists. I apologize should you receive more copies of this notice than you like.... ** Updated: Writing for the Web: A Primer for Librarians URL: http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/primer/ Abstract: The creation and maintenance of the documents and assets of a World-Wide Web site are the most time consuming aspects of managing a library Web service. Although the organizational structure and content of a Web site varies by library, participants in all library Web projects need to be familiar with the concepts and terminology associated with creating documents and resources for the Web. This document is not an in-depth HTML guide, but is instead a general introduction to Web content creation. Newer technologies are briefly described and references to other resources are provided. It is also an interactive document and provides the reader access to associated resources. Contents: Introduction Background Copyright Issues *NEW* HTML Hypertext Links URLs Graphics and Images Multimedia HTML Authoring Tools Design Considerations Web Accessibility *NEW* Metadata *NEW* PDF Dynamic Documents CGI and Perl Java and JavaScript Future Considerations Reference and Resources Glossary About This Document Eric Schnell Assistant Professor Head, Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library The Ohio State University schnell.9@osu.edu / 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html From cbgamb at acan.net Tue Aug 3 16:41:35 1999 From: cbgamb at acan.net (Charles Gambrell) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Phonedisc Powerfinder Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5FF0E9E32B48D2118A6A00A0C9A91FAA048E89@ntmail.whittierpl.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990803154135.01388048@acan.net> We have had a problem with running Phonedisc Powerfinder, and now have found a solution. I am wondering if anyone else has encountered a similar problem. We are workstations running NT 4.0 servicepack 3, and servers running NT 4.0 servicepack 3. We use system policy editor to secure public and staff workstations. Phonedisc Powerfinder is a six CD set. All CD's are copied to one of the servers and workstations run the program from the network. All of our users run fine, except for one set. The problem is that when you try to highlight an entry, instead of changing the highlighted entry from the original entry to the new entry, the original entry is unhighlighted and ALL others are highlighted. After much checking and determining what the problem was not, the problem goes away when I change the color scheme of the desktop. I was using "Marine" which is identified as "high color." Another "high color" scheme also produces the same results, and other schemes work correctly. Anyone seen anything similar? Charles B. Gambrell System Automation Assistant Manager Mobile Public Library 701 Government Street Mobile, AL 36602-1499 Voice: 334.208.7095 Fax: 334.208.7618 Pager: 334.582.2453 email: cbgamb@acan.net Un-cap WinCE, and it becomes "wince".... From ebtrain at hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 18:16:03 1999 From: ebtrain at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Badeaux) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Library home page Message-ID: <19990803221603.34713.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all, We are in the processs of looking at updating and perhaps reorganizing our web page at http://www.ebr.lib.la.us/ . I have been drawing up a list of possible addtions/changes in structure, content, and organization for presentation to our web site committee, and have spent a good amount of time reviewing other libraries' web sites, especially those of other public libraries. I was wondering if any of you might have the time to look at our site and see if you could offer me any suggestions or recommendations? I don't really need in-depth analysis, but just a bit of feedback. I think it would help me to see if I am on the "right track" or not. Thanks in advance! Elizabeth Elizabeth Badeaux Voice: 225-231-3720 Librarian, Computer Division Fax: 225-231-3788 East Baton Rouge Parish Library Email: ebtrain@hotmail.com 7711 Goodwood Blvd. Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70806 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From MRoesner at publib.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Aug 3 20:22:06 1999 From: MRoesner at publib.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Roesner) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:31 2005 Subject: Dramatically off-topic Outlook 98 Message-ID: <30583CB50E86D11180A70000F805F2D9C3D4C2@mail.publib.edmonton.ab.ca> Victoria; Both Outlook 98 and 2000 do allow this with various handheld computers though you may have to purchase additional software. I'm going to give you information on Palm Pilots and Windows CE handheld computers only. Were you looking for information on others? I use a 3com Palm IIIx (www.palm.com) and it comes with software that allows you to sync your memos as well as inbox, calendar, contacts and task list. You can find information on this software at www.chapura.com. If you have an earlier model of the Palm that doesn't come with the software, there are a few different add-on's that you can buy that will allow you to sync. Check out www.palm.com for more information. I don't own a windows CE device but I'm pretty sure that they also come with syncing software that allows you to do this. I found this information on the following page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsce/Products/ppc/faq.asp Do Palm-size PCs Support Handwriting Recognition? Yes, they do support handwriting recognition. For those who like the convenience of making quick notes or dashing out sketches, Pocket Outlook programs ***let you take Rich Ink notes with your stylus and even synchronize them with Outlook on your Windows-based computer.*** You can edit individual characters or words, move them, and insert other information between words and characters. Hope this helps, Mark Mark Roesner Internet Librarian Edmonton Public Library Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.publib.edmonton.ab.ca -----Original Message----- From: Victoria Lunzer-Talos [mailto:victoria.lunzer@univie.ac.at] Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 6:44 AM To: LIBNT-L@listserv.utk.edu Subject: Dramatically off-topic Outlook 98 Hello everybody, I apologize for the off-topic question, but here it is: Does anybody know if Outlook98 (or 2000) allows to synchronize *memos* with the handheld computer? It would be a tremendous help if anybody could tell. Thanks anyhow Victoria Lunzer-Talos -------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- -Dr. Victoria Lunzer-Talos Tel: 42 77 / 166 00 Fax:16609 Fachbibliothek fuer Kunstgeschichte Email: victoria.lunzer@univie.ac.at Universitaetscampus Altes AAKH / Hof 9 Spitalgasse 2-4 A-1090 WIEN / VIENNA Eingang/Entrance: Garnisongasse 13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From his at virtuallibrarian.com Sun Aug 8 10:42:26 1999 From: his at virtuallibrarian.com (his@virtuallibrarian.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:34 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Data Recovery In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990726170333.00b25244@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu> Message-ID: <4.1.19990808102627.0098af10@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Angela. Contact Bill Oakes (aka Data Sleuths) at datasleuths@virtuallibrarian.com Tell Bill that I sent you. He is a data recovery expert in the Washington area, but he has some excellent contacts on the West coast. You can try to recover your own data, however I've seen in several cases where the user does more damage to the drive then good. It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that you have completely lost your data in the eyes of a data recovery expert. My favorite recovery package is Tiramasu, but it will be cheaper for you to send your drive out and recovered then it is to spend the $200 for the software. You can also try going through the Bay Area Chapter of the High Tech Crime Investigation Association. http://www.ci.walnut-creek.ca.us/wcpd/htcia.html They will have a list of names and companies you can contact for assistance. If you need further assistance please contact me directly. I'm a member of the Northeastern HTCIA here in NY. Cynthia Hetherington Senior Technology Librarian Englewood, NJ At 02:00 PM 7/26/99 -0700, Steve Hooley wrote: > Angela - try installing the hard drive as a slave drive on another >machine. You generally have to move a jumper or something to tell the drive >not to expect to boot, then it goes on the same ribbon cable that your >'master' hard drive is on. When the master HD boots, it activates the slave >HD as well. If this works you can just use the bad drive as extra space >indefinitely, although I'd avoid using it for crucial data. > > > >At 01:20 PM 7/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I have a dead hard drive on my hands that will not boot with a boot >>disk. We need to get the information off of it. I am thinking about >>the option of a data recovery service. Does anyone know of a good one >>around the SF Bay area and do they work? >> >> >>Thanks a bunch. >> >>Angela Kirchner >> >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >Steve Hooley - Technician >Zach S. Henderson Library >Georgia Southern University > http://www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/hooleyss 'My World' > http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/LRA 'Vampire Scholarship' >"You see, I don't believe that libraries should be > drab places where people sit in silence, and that's > been the main reason for our policy of employing > wild animals as librarians." --Monty Python From kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net Wed Aug 11 05:04:03 1999 From: kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net (Karl M. Bunday) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Advanced web design training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701bee3d8$753b1540$d05e1ea3@kmbunday> Susan Boland wrote: > I am in the same position as Amy Helfman (knowing just > enough to know how much more there is to learn!) only in a different > geographic area. > I would also appreciate any opinions on good materials for self > teaching. My suggestion would be to take a look at Jakob Neilsen's site on Web usability, http://www.useit.com which recently linked to an article by Neilsen on another site about learning to become a professional Web master. http://www.zdnet.com/devhead/stories/articles/0,4413,2293329,00.html Neilsen's useit.com site has good, concrete suggestions for books for self-study, and for academic programs for classroom study. Because Neilsen's focus is on USABLE Web sites rather than unusable Web sites that win design awards, your employer and patrons will be glad you took his advice. Several of the books I have read about Web design by design gurus have been all but useless in suggesting changes to my site that actually help users find information on it. I figure most librarians are tasked with maintaining information sites rather than art sites, which is why I give this advice. Karl M. Bunday "pray for us" 2 Thessalonians 3:1 P.O. Box 674, Panchiao 220, TAIWAN http://learninfreedom.org From kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net Wed Aug 11 05:04:04 1999 From: kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net (Karl M. Bunday) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] tracking clickthroughs In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990727130810.00de8590@mail.esrl.lib.md.us> Message-ID: <000801bee3d8$76261180$d05e1ea3@kmbunday> Bob Long wrote: > Is anyone tracking the clickthroughs on links that are > offered from your library's site? I used to, and that was a very informative exercise in reviewing site design. > If so, is there a particular piece of software that you use > and like? I used a program called AXS, which used server-side includes to call scripting to do the tracking. I made a macro to code all my outbound links appropriately. I'm not sure if AXS is still maintained by its author, but it worked well enough for me and was so cheap that my site master provided it for free when I moved my site to its own domain name. > In the past I have experimented with Philip Greenspun's > clickthrough.net service , and it works > well enough, but I just wonder if there is anyway to bring this in-house. I don't track outbound links anymore, but I found this well worth doing when I first established my own domain name. The most important principle of site design I discovered is that users will always go first to the links "above the fold," so I soon learned to put external links in places AFTER the content on my pages that answered the most common user questions. (on the other hand, it appeared that EVERY link on my site got followed by somebody, even from pages with hundreds of links. The AXS program also reports which user agents came to visit, so I know these visits weren't all from spiders.) The single most popular link on any page seems to be the one that says "links" as the link text, as readers seem always to be looking for more opportunities to surf around the world. I stopped tracking outbound links after learning this and a few other lessons, because I didn't want my site's server to have the server load of running those scripts all the time. I got the information I wanted, revised my pages accordingly, and got out. The last time I looked for the AXS program with a search engine I found it just fine. Hope this helps! Karl M. Bunday "pray for us" 2 Thessalonians 3:1 P.O. Box 674, Panchiao 220, TAIWAN http://learninfreedom.org From kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net Wed Aug 11 05:03:56 1999 From: kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net (Karl M. Bunday) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Web Site Usability Information (was book comments?) In-Reply-To: <19990722162817.32171.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <000501bee3d8$715e5040$d05e1ea3@kmbunday> Elizabeth Badeaux wrote: > Please forgive the cross-posting as I'm sure some of you > are subscribed to both web4lib and nettrain, but I wanted to be able to get > as much feedback as possible. I've been a lurker on the WEB4LIB list for a while, and have been intimidated about posting a message because of the high caliber of professional comments here, but here goes. (I learned of the existence of this list from the searchenginewatch.com webmasters directory index page.) What comes below is suggestions I have for resources on building better Web sites, based on my experience as a Web master and Web reader since early 1995. [Names of two books deleted.] > I'd love to hear comments from any of you regarding any > experiences you have had using these two sources. Were they helpful? practical? easy to > understand for a non-advanced user? My number-one recommendation for all Web masters, advice that many Web masters of the best sites already take, is to pickle yourself in the specific suggestions found on Jakob Neilsen's useit.com site, http://www.useit.com and especially the content of nearly all of his Alertbox biweekly columns on Web usability issues. Neilsen has done more research, more thoroughly and for longer, than almost anyone else about Web usability issues. In particular, Neilsen has a familiarity with hypertext and hypermedia design principles and usability testing that goes back a long time before there was such a thing as the World Wide Web. His Alertbox columns "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" and "Top 10 New Mistakes in Web Design" http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html are priceless, as is most all the rest of the free advice on this site. Neilsen's useit.com site has a good list of links, but Neilsen recommends rather than tries to duplicate the superb usability link list kept at the Usable Web, http://www.usableweb.com which will lead you to enormous amounts of too-little-known information on making Web sites more usable. For the daring Web master who wants constructive cricism of that Web master's own site, there is a Please Critique My Site! topic on the discussion boards maintained by "Web Pages That Suck," http://webpagesthatsuck.com which despite the somewhat crude title is a serious resource with much sound advice about how to make a site usable. I obtained some help in updating my own Web site by visiting the Web Pages That Suck discussion board. I have found many violations of basic usability principles as I research my personal subject-matter interests on the Web. Most of those usability violations are perpetrated by hobbyist sites rather than professional sites maintained by persons whose occupational duties include Web mastering. My comments on the most exasperating of those violations of of usability principles may be a helpful resource for librarians looking for advice, not for themselves, but for patrons who are putting together hobby sites. My page can be found at http://learninfreedom.org/technical_notes.html (There is an underscore character in the filename, which I acknowledge is itself a usability issue.) I have greatly appreciated the Public Library Web Site Guidelines links posted by Shelley Voie. Those are an important indirect guide to Web site design, which more sites ought to follow. They confirmed Neilsen's advice on several points as I was recently updating my own site. Karl M. Bunday "pray for us" 2 Thessalonians 3:1 P.O. Box 674, Panchiao 220, TAIWAN http://learninfreedom.org From kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net Wed Aug 11 05:03:59 1999 From: kmbunday at ms29.hinet.net (Karl M. Bunday) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] copyright and the Internet In-Reply-To: <01BECE00.B8DA7900.gmhoffmann@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <000601bee3d8$72becaa0$d05e1ea3@kmbunday> Gretchen McCord Hoffmann wrote: > I'm a previous BI librarian now working on my J.D. at the > University of Texas. Congratulations. I did my elective study of library science and my J.D. degree at the U of Minnesota. Texas must have a wonderful library. > As you might guess, I'm particularly interested in > legal issues affecting librarians. I'm doing some writing right now on > copyright issues and the Internet. I would like to get your input on > problems you've encountered regarding copyright and the Internet, The main problem I have encountered is the persistent mythological belief that copyright doesn't apply at all to materials posted on the Internet. This has resulted in several instances of plagiarizing on the Web of my "Colleges That Admit Homeschoolers FAQ," http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html which began existence some years ago as a FAQ file back on the Prodigy commercial on-line service before I had ever heard the term FAQ. It is important for patrons who want to copy something onto the Web to know that modern copyright law all over the world protects works from the time of fixation, whether or not there has been copyright registration, and IN ADDITION that most providers of Web hosting services have a contractual requirement of Web masters not to post either copyright-infringing or plagiarizing material. (Because much of my FAQ consists of a list, and copyright protection of lists has been weak since a United States Supreme Court case that did not, in my opinion, give due consideration to the value of reference works, I sometimes have to seek protection for my FAQ under plagiarism principles, which can be much broader than copyright principles.) > questions you've had, difficulties you've seen with your patrons...basically, > what do you think you or librarians in general should know about this issue? Librarians should tell their patrons that copyright should be ASSUMED for all materials that do not specifically waive it. There is, of course, the "fair use" principle, but copying a whole Web site, something I have seen happen to several of my friends who post Web sites on subjects I follow closely, is surely not fair use, particularly when the copying occurs without attribution to the original source. Since I have discovered how often whole Web pages are copied and used to build plagiarists' sites I have been careful to put prominent copyright notices on the template for every Web page I produce for my site. One instance of plagiarizing my Web site was detected because I put a link to my site's copyright page in an innocuous place on my College FAQ, which is studded with hundreds of links. The plagiarist didn't notice he had copied that link, which includes my name, so he was caught red-handed when I wrote to the site master of the site that hosted his plagiarizing page. > (Questions I've run into so far include how do you know > when you can download an image from the Web to use on your own pages > without infringing someone's copyright, Assume in the first instance that you cannot. I waited so long to reply to your message because I wanted to examine, in a sample of images I have downloaded, how many of those images include text in the copyright information fields that are INHERENT in the .GIF, .JPG, and .PNG formats. Hardly any on-line images CLAIM copyright, because image editors hide the capability, if they have it at all, of marking the copyright information fields in the image data. Before I replied to you, I made sure the major images on my own site were uploaded again with revised files that have copyright information! Version 5 of Paint Shop Pro will show those fields if you choose the appropriate tab from the image information dialog box, and that box is editable, but NEVER during the process of creating an image does the program suggest that you fill in those fields. The program GIF Animator 2.0 makes these fields much more apparent, but only works for .GIFs, not for .JPGs. > who owns the email you write at work, Fortunately, I'm essentially self-employed and thus don't have a boss, but if I did, I'd assume he owned my E-mail produced on the work computer system. Karl M. Bunday "pray for us" 2 Thessalonians 3:1 P.O. Box 674, Panchiao 220, TAIWAN http://learninfreedom.org From eckleyt at mville.edu Wed Aug 11 09:58:26 1999 From: eckleyt at mville.edu (Tami Jo Eckley) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Remote Authentication Message-ID: In doing a little research, I have been looking through some old e-mail regarding remote access to databases: a topic that has been covered on and off on this list. I would appreciate answers to the following question: How many libraries, using their current remote authentication system, whatever that may be, can collect statistics on the number of users accessing specific databases? (I hope that is clear.) TIA for your help. Tami-Jo Eckley Electronic Services & Media Librarian Manhattanville College Library Purchase, New York 10577 http://www.mville.edu/library From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Wed Aug 11 13:38:34 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (jay) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Menu Builders... Message-ID: <37B1B51A.38F257AC@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Thanks very much to everyone who posted. I think that we will be testing WinU. This will be useful primarily for the user interface. Security will not be a problem for Windows NT. Thanks Again, Jay H. Frantz From sean at savvysearch.com Wed Aug 11 08:35:58 1999 From: sean at savvysearch.com (sean) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: netlibrary or similar services? Message-ID: <37B16E2E.389C0010@savvysearch.com> have any web4lib folks evaluated or implemented a digital content service akin to http://www.netlibrary.com/ for your users? would be very curious to know what you think, what you implemented and how your users like the online access to book-length digital content. --sean :-) From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Aug 11 14:24:58 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Management of Plug-Ins Message-ID: _Management of Plug-Ins_ As part of my overview/review of the Ramifications of Multimedia in Electronic Journals, I am greatly interested in learning about the management of the installations of plug-ins / helper applications to support the Multimedia in these journals in academic and research libraries/ institutions. I am interested in managing the plug-ins / helper applications for any and all types of multimedia found in these e-journals, notably, audio, video, animation, VRML, and animation., as well the management of plug-ins in general. Are the plug-ins installed and/or maintained from a central server, or are they installed machine-by- machine? Otherwise? In general, what are the issues faced in installing and maintaining such plug-ins? The associated costs? Policy issues? As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, questions, or critiques are Most Welcome! Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu Beware the Nines of September (9-9-99) From jonathan_esterhazy at umanitoba.ca Wed Aug 11 14:51:47 1999 From: jonathan_esterhazy at umanitoba.ca (Jonathan Esterhazy) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: internet or distance ed library degrees Message-ID: <006d01bee42a$906e0000$e3a4b382@jester.lib.umanitoba.ca> Does anybody know of any schools that offer accredited MLS degrees entirely or almost entirely through distance ed? Jonathan Esterhazy (jonathan_esterhazy@umanitoba.ca) Web Developer, University of Manitoba Libraries From epd103 at psu.edu Wed Aug 11 15:13:15 1999 From: epd103 at psu.edu (Eric P. Delozier) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Restricting Application Features Message-ID: <199908111913.PAA150082@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> We currently utilize WinSelect's Kiosk 3.31 to restrict features within applications on our public-access PCs with Windows 95. It has work well for us. Now we're migrating from Windows 95 to NT on our public-access PCs and are considering either Kiosk 4.01 or Fortres Cooler for the same purpose. I'm interested in hearing the valued opinions of others who have been using either application or an alternative with Windows NT. Any comments are greatly appreciated. --Eric Delozier -------------------------------------------- Eric P. Delozier, Assistant Librarian Heindel Library / Penn State Harrisburg 777 West Harrisburg Pike / Middletown, PA 17057 mailto:epd103@psu.edu / 717-948-6373 (voice) / 717-948-6381 (fax) From ngodava at cc.UManitoba.CA Wed Aug 11 15:14:29 1999 From: ngodava at cc.UManitoba.CA (ngodava@cc.UManitoba.CA) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] internet or distance ed library degrees Message-ID: I just happened to send the following message from another library listserv to the Manitoba Library Association which will answer Jonathan's question. Please see below. Norma Godavari Engineering Library University of Manitoba ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Judy Davidson To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU Thanks once again to everyone who responded so quickly and so generously with information about graduate studies in library and information science through distance learning. I also received a few requests from individuals who were interested in this information as well. Below are the names of institutions and the URLs sent to me. Readers should note that the definition of distance education varies widely from classes held off campus to those actually administered over the web. Please see individual sites for more information. Thanks again, Judy Davidson MLIS Catalog Librarian/Editor RoweCom http://www.rowe.com 800.787.2027 Fax 519.858.5107 Florida State University http://www.fsu.edu/~lis/ University of Southern Mississippi http://www-dept.usm.edu/~slis/ School of Information and Library Studies at the University at Buffalo http://www.sils.buffalo.edu/faculty/ellison/distance.html#courses Clarion University of Pennsylvania at Harrisburg site http://www.clarion.edu/ College of Education University of Missouri-Columbia http://www.coe.missouri.edu/~sislt/proposedfall_sch99.html University of Illinois Graduate School of Library and Information Science http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/gslis/leep3/index.html#head University of Arizona School of Information Resources and Library Science http://www.sir.arizona.edu/viropps/vrtintro.html (I am informed the University of Arizona School of Information Resources and Library Science is currently undergoing accreditation). Syracuse University http://istweb.syr.edu/design/academic/distance/about_wash.htm Emporia State University, Distance Learning, MLS degree program http:\\slim.emporia.edu Nova Southeastern University in Florida http://www.nova.edu/ University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee http://www.slis.uwm.edu/ University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://www.uncg.edu/cex/extension/dli.htm From dan at 84.com Wed Aug 11 15:18:32 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Remote Authentication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990811131641.00af07c0@dpop.micron.net> At 06:56 AM 8/11/99 -0700, Tami Jo Eckley wrote: >In doing a little research, I have been looking through some old e-mail >regarding remote access to databases: a topic that has been covered on >and off on this list. I would appreciate answers to the following >question: How many libraries, using their current remote authentication >system, whatever that may be, can collect statistics on the number of >users accessing specific databases? (I hope that is clear.) TIA for >your help. >We do it at Boise State. The technique we use for authentication is >described at: http://www.84.com/authentication.htm The log extract shown there is analyzed by a Perl script and results are shown at: http://libnet.boisestate.edu/remoteusers/ Let me know if you have more questions. dan From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Aug 11 15:56:49 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Strange Netscape Behavior References: <199908111913.PAA150082@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <37B1D581.4DFB31A9@waterford.lib.mi.us> I figured I had seen it all with Netscape but this is a new one that has no answers in the FAQs so I'm hoping someone else has run into this problem [and solution!] It's simple: Every link, when clicked on, fails to open a new page. Instead, the "Save As..." prompt appears asking you to save the page. Any ideas?? Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Aug 11 15:59:13 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [tech] Strange Netscape Behavior References: <199908111913.PAA150082@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> <37B1D581.4DFB31A9@waterford.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <37B1D611.44F5C260@waterford.lib.mi.us> Oh.. I should have mentioned ... this is with Navigator 4.08 [stand-alone]. Andrew Andrew Mutch wrote: > I figured I had seen it all with Netscape but this is a new one that has no > answers in the FAQs so I'm hoping someone else has run into this problem [and > solution!] > > It's simple: Every link, when clicked on, fails to open a new page. Instead, > the "Save As..." prompt appears asking you to save the page. > > Any ideas?? > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email tech-comm-request@tln.lib.mi.us with a subject > line of "unsubscribe." Trouble? Contact listmaster@tln.lib.mi.us. From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Wed Aug 11 16:11:04 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Strange Netscape Behavior References: Message-ID: <37B1D8D8.7BE55A6F@waterford.lib.mi.us> This happened on both a local page and a page from Yahoo. I did check the MIME type for HTML files and it was properly associated to handle it using Navigator. Andrew Hagen Amen wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Andrew Mutch wrote: > > > I figured I had seen it all with Netscape but this is a new one that has no > > answers in the FAQs so I'm hoping someone else has run into this problem [and > > solution!] > > > > It's simple: Every link, when clicked on, fails to open a new page. Instead, > > the "Save As..." prompt appears asking you to save the page. > > Is this behavior from just one web server, or all? Of course, if it's > one, then perhaps they don't have the MIME type set correctly, which > would indicate a *really* broken webserver. However, I gather that's not > the case. > > I'd start with looking at the 'Netscape Hypertext Document' > associations. > > Hagen Amen Network Analyst > Multnomah County Library Automation From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Aug 11 16:16:47 1999 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] internet or distance ed library degrees Message-ID: You might want to check out the University of Illinois' LEEP program: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/gslis/leep3/index.html#head Bernie Sloan -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Esterhazy [mailto:jonathan_esterhazy@umanitoba.ca] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] internet or distance ed library degrees Does anybody know of any schools that offer accredited MLS degrees entirely or almost entirely through distance ed? Jonathan Esterhazy (jonathan_esterhazy@umanitoba.ca) Web Developer, University of Manitoba Libraries From beades at med.unc.edu Wed Aug 11 16:54:48 1999 From: beades at med.unc.edu (Lynn Eades) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Problems with IIS and ColdFusion Message-ID: <37B1E318.245525A1@med.unc.edu> Hi. We have been experiencing some problems with our Microsoft IIS server and ColdFusion. Are any of you using ColdFusion? The problem is ColdFusion is eating virtual memory and shutting down the computer. It has happened twice and usually is when a ColdFusion request is done. If any of you have suggestions for setting up the servers, I would greatly appreciate your sending them to me. Thank you in advance for your consideration and time. Lynn -- B. Lynn Eades Distributed Learning Librarian/WebManager Health Sciences Library CB# 7585 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7585 Phone: (919) 966-8012 Email: beades@med.unc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Size: 3131 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990811/d473133b/attachment.eml From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Wed Aug 11 19:44:12 1999 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: An interesting question re $$ In-Reply-To: <37B1E318.245525A1@med.unc.edu> Message-ID: A colleague at amother University Library posed the following situation and questions: The institution has experienced problem in reaching consensus about the design for their site. They are looking to hire an individual/firm to do the basic site design and then take over maintenance of their new site themselves. I assume that we are talking the navigation, page templates, colors, graphics. I assume that there might be some cgi scripting involved. The questions: how much should the library expect to have to pay for basic design services? has anyone had experience with a similar project -- outsourcing design but keeping content/maintenance internal --? If so, how did it go? any thoughts on how to select/evaluate designers? Would appreciate any responses -- including answers to questions that didn't get asked but should have been -- and I'll pass them on to my friend. I'm afraid I can't tell you a lot about the site -- I would assume a fairly large site (given the size of the institution) and, knowing at least one of the people involved, a firm insistence on quality, utility and accessibility. Thanks for any thoughts. ====================================================== Marc Davis University Library UNOmaha 6001 Dodge Street Omaha, NE, 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 | Fax (402) 554-3215 davis@revelation.unomaha.edu ------------------------------------------------------ "We'll burn that bridge when we come to it." ------------------------------------------------------ From schlumpf at nslsilus.org Wed Aug 11 23:21:45 1999 From: schlumpf at nslsilus.org (Peter Schlumpf) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:35 2005 Subject: Avanti project update: ARMS design spec posted Message-ID: <37B23DC9.3DEED25D@nslsilus.org> To all who are interested: The design specification document for the Abstract Relationship Modeling System of Avanti is now available at the Avanti website: http://www.nslsilus.org/~schlumpf/avanti Code will follow as it becomes available. The Avanti project is an effort to create an open source, scalable, and implementation-neutral automated library system for the Java platform. Check the web site for more information. Peter Schlumpf, Project Manager. schlumpf@nslsilus.org From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Sat Aug 14 10:40:56 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (jay) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:37 2005 Subject: Directory problems Message-ID: <37B57FF8.19F39220@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Hello: I am the webmaster at a public library. Lately, I've been having a really tricky problem. I used to be able to upload documents via FTP to our website to update the children's page. Now, any file that I upload to that directory SUDDENLY becomes a file with 0 BYTES! The original file definately is a full file with 5 or 6 kbs at least when viewed on the local machine. What the hell is happening to them? Could it be the transfer process? I've never seen anything like this before... Stumped, and could use some help. Thanks, Jay H. Frantz, CCPL Webmaster From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Sat Aug 14 11:23:38 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (jay) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:37 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Directory problems : An addendum References: <37B57FF8.19F39220@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Message-ID: <37B589F9.19914914@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> I wanted to add that that I received an error message when I initially tried the transfer. The message was: transfer failed; no space left on device. Now, I've deleted the entire folder/directory called children. I then proceeded to make a directory on the Unix server called children, and it won't let me because of the following error: mkdir failed to make directory "children"; no space left on device. jay wrote: > Hello: > I am the webmaster at a public library. Lately, I've been having a > really tricky problem. I used to be able to upload documents via FTP to > our website to update the children's page. Now, any file that I upload > to that directory SUDDENLY becomes a file with 0 BYTES! The original > file definately is a full file with 5 or 6 kbs at least when viewed on > the local machine. What the hell is happening to them? Could it be the > transfer process? > > I've never seen anything like this before... Stumped, and could use some > help. > > Thanks, > > Jay H. Frantz, > CCPL Webmaster From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 30 07:29:31 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: Time control scripts? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990830072931.01ad0c70@pop.panix.com> We are in the process (I almost said "throes") of bringing up our Windows NT server and simultaneously securing public workstations with Fortres, upgrading the browser, etc. We had a peer-based Windows 95 network and are migrating, one hopes, up. Anyway, like most of the library world, we would really like a good tool for time management. After looking at a number of third-party time management packages--and after having a year's experience with Cybrarian--and after thinking about tools like EZProxy, which I'm planning to evaluate later in September for access to databases and to provide a way for users to log in--I'm wondering if anyone has home-grown scripts for logging patrons out after X minutes and optionally providing warning messages and possibly an option to override. Like a lot of you, we have workstations used for various things--we still have some CDs and we also have computers dedicated to office productivity tools (word pro, etc.). So my guess is that in-house, I'd still be talking about one menu screen in front of all the other applications, and off-site, the webpage devoted to applications would be the entry point. (Unless we decided that the real issue was not how much time people spent in Word or using Phonedisk but how much time they spent on the 'net, which may actually be what we're really trying to control, now that I mull this over... in which case, a browser-based solution would work. Your reflections here would be useful, too.) We're considering moving the public workstations to NT workstation early next year, to do the native-security thing, if this makes any difference. (I would say "Windows 2000" but you know what I mean--if that shows up, it shows up.) Time control is truly the "Rosebud" of web librarianship... ________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com, she_schne@sals.edu http://www.bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology, Shenendehowa Public Library, NY Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 From dream at saturn.vcu.edu Mon Aug 30 08:31:02 1999 From: dream at saturn.vcu.edu (Dan Ream) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: InfoTrac and the Man with No Pants Message-ID: A followup to my Friday posting about the pants-less man in INFOTRAC. My apologies to those who don't have INFOTRAC, below is the citation text and a temporary link to the photo. This was the first match to my rap music and violen* keyword search. Most other INFOTRAC citations to that same issue opf Rolling Stone magazine contain this same photo. --Dan Ream Virginia Commonwealth University Library Richmond, Virginia P.S. And to those who asked--no, I didn't notify INFOTRAC. I knew they'd surely kill it and it was just too much fun as it is/was. Analogies to the "let's dissect the alien" motif of 1950s sci-fi movies are welcome ;-) ************************************************************** ************************************************************** Rolling Stone, May 13, 1999 i812 p28(2) Q & A: Salman Rushdie. (infamous author)(Interview) David Fricke. Abstract: Noted author Salman Rushdie was forced to live in exile for nearly a decade after Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini issued a death sentence against him for writing his book 'The Satanic Verses.' Rushdie discusses his work with the band U2, his youth in England, and his thoughts on violent lyrics in rap music. http://saturn.vcu.edu/~dream/nopants.gif *************************************************************** *************************************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Ream To: web4lib@webjunction.org Subject: InfoTrac and the Man with No Pants How's that for an e-mail subject header?? Yesterday while showing our entering freshmen the wonders of InfoTrac Expanded Academic ASAP during orientation, we did a keyword search for rap music and violen* The first article in our search results was from the May 13, 1999 issue of Rolling Stone and in InfoTrac is supposedly abstract-only. Welllll, take a look at the record and tell me what you see. Better yet, tell me why!! We and our freshmen got a good laugh out of it, but I'm still not sure why this picture is included in the abstract of this and most of the other article abstracts in InfoTrac from that May 13, 1999 issue of Rolling Stone. Theories or explanations, anyone?? --Dan Ream Virginia Commonwealth University Library Richmond, Virginia From vidar at larvik.folkebibl.no Mon Aug 30 08:35:29 1999 From: vidar at larvik.folkebibl.no (Vidar Ringstr|m) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Time control scripts? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990830072931.01ad0c70@pop.panix.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > using Phonedisk but how much time they spent on the 'net, which may > actually be what we're really trying to control, now that I mull this > over... in which case, a browser-based solution would work. Your > reflections here would be useful, too.) One approach to solving this might be to use NTs AT command together with Jeffrey Harris WINDOWS NT ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLSET aka AINTX at: http://maxx.mc.net/~jlh/nttools.htm His package contains familiar Unixtools like kill, ps, top and crontab. One could "grep" the PID from AINTXs "ps" and pipe it into "kill" and put the whole thing into a crontabentry to be run every hour or something via NTs AT. This would kill a browser at set times, not very elegant but ... Hilsen Vidar --------- Vidar Ringstr|m Larvik bibliotek Tlf: 33 18 63 01 Boks 2001 Stubber|d Fax: 33 18 79 05 3255 Larvik "Tralala lilla molntuss, kom hit skall du f} en puss!" B.Hund From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 30 08:48:38 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fraud using public library computers In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990829201106.00978bd0@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Message-ID: <000001bef2e5$fb38f880$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> This really offers new possibilities for funding library services!! From cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca Mon Aug 30 10:06:46 1999 From: cpgray at library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: UNIX to NT -- Ack! My PERL scripts! In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990829165942.00b00380@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: You'll find that you're scripts themselves will port nicely to the ActivePerl Win32 version; what won't port are any calls to all those useful UNIX utilities. With me it was sendmail for which I had to find a Win32 substitute (blat), although a better solution might be Perl modules for an email interface. The other difficulty I've run into is the mysteries of configuring directories under NT/IIS. I've had the experience of configuring two directories exactly the same but only being able to run scripts in one of the directories. Another tip: If you don't intended to use FrontPage (speaking of abominations) to manage the web site, make sure you chose the option not to install it when installing IIS. It takes over and conflicts with attempts to do configuration through the normal NT tools and you can't solve the problem by uninstalling once you've installed. You should install FrontPage only if you're committed to it, which likely means you're going with ASPs rather than Perl scripts. Chris Gray Library Systems University of Waterloo On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Dan Lester wrote: > At 06:18 PM 8/27/99 -0700, Shirl Kennedy wrote: > >My Web site currently runs on a venerable old DEC Alpha machine. I am > >being "upgraded" to NT and IIS this fall. I am wondering what will become > >of my PERL scripts. I know there is a Win32 version of PERL. How much > >agony will be involved in converting the UNIX flavor to the Win32 flavor? > > My best wishes. Not regarding any of the platforms (though I run NT, but > NOT with IIS, which I consider an abomination). But changes are always > rough. When we were doing our authentication script the main thing we > missed was an 'rsh' and having to substitute a telnet session > instead. I'm sure there are others. The latest from www.activestate.com > (free Perl) is excellent. > > dan > > -- > Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > From dan at 84.com Mon Aug 30 10:56:26 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tourism organizations around the world. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990829181818.00af08c0@intranet.com.mx> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990830085505.00b0cc80@dpop.micron.net> At 04:16 PM 8/29/99 -0700, Jorge Biquez wrote: >I need to write an article about the truth of "Is the Internet 'really' >helping the tourism industry?" >And I planned to contact toursims organizations (goverment or not), travel >agencies and final users around the world. This sounds like an ideal question for buslib-l@listserv.boisestate.edu. I'm sure that those folks will also remind you that any stats will be out of date, and that a vast number of other variables probably affect the tourism industry more than the internet. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Mon Aug 30 11:00:56 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fraud using public library computers In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990829201106.00978bd0@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990830085654.00b0de20@dpop.micron.net> At 05:19 PM 8/29/99 -0700, his@virtuallibrarian.com wrote: > Criminals can steal credit card >numbers in the normal manner, however instead of taking the exposure in >purchasing the items in person, they can use the net. The packages can be >shipped to address the offenders already know are safe drops. The >merchandise is then pawned in the normal manner. Anything can happen, of course, but three thoughts: 1) If this happens it isn't the library's problem. 2) Most sellers via online or telephone sales will ship ONLY to the "bill to" address on the card. Even if they'll ship elsewhere, the person ordering must know the bill to address to validate. 3) Some MC and Visa have adopted the practice of Amex of having another four digits that are printed, but not embossed, on the card. Many vendors will request that number as well. Since it is not transferred when a card is imprinted or scanned, one must have the card IN HAND to complete the transaction. cheers dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From moniking at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 11:05:39 1999 From: moniking at hotmail.com (Monica King) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] WEB4LIB digest 1547 Message-ID: <19990830150541.67677.qmail@hotmail.com> hi greg and all, first, my thanks to andrew mutch for his credit to me for my development of an authentication method that is simple and (hopefully) easy to maintain for system librarians such as yourself. i discussed this concept earlier this month with karen schneider who is including some of the information i am about to tell you here in her upcoming column in american libraries. after trying to develop a method for several years that was independent of the information aggregators and automation vendors, i came up with a method that i decided to patent for several reasons. first, after numerous trial and errors, the process i currently use works very well for not only my library's needs, but for other libraries that i 've worked with in solving the authentication problem. and since the u.s.p.t.o. has begun allowing internet-related inventions to be patented, i thought "why not?" (regardless of how tim berners-lee feels about such patents, i think they actually help not hinder the online industry. and they are the only way for a small inventor to protect his/her intellectual property.) secondly, while many library vendors do provide authentication methods (generally based on proxy-servers) they are costly. or it is difficult to even determine the cost of their authentication service since pricing is built into another product. and finally as well as most importantly, after sitting on a panel of colleagues discussing this very topic at ALA this year, i realized that is librarians themselves who often have the best solutions to our problems. i know it may be unrealistic to believe that little librarians can compete with the corporate giants, but i am eternally (yet not foolishly) optimistic about the pool of talented people working as library professionals. so here's my attempt to jump into the fray with the big boys, http://remoteauthentication.com at the bottom of the home page there is a link to the script I gave to andrew mutch (and others) that you are welcome to copy, edit and use. good luck. monica king ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From AHogan at UTNet.UToledo.Edu Mon Aug 30 11:15:37 1999 From: AHogan at UTNet.UToledo.Edu (AHogan@UTNet.UToledo.Edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: Position opening Message-ID: <33BBF70282FDD211AD3700203522B69E375DB5@msg0.utoledo.edu> Interim Electronic Services/Automation Librarian One year appointment as Visiting Instructor, with possible renewal for 2 additional years. Reports to the Coordinator for Library Automation and works closely with members of other library departments to evaluate, develop, and implement the library's present and future electronic resources and services. Duties and responsibilities include: Coordinate documentation and work with staff to select and implement electronic information services. Assist in the conversion of library data to Web-based systems. Train staff in computer applications. Install software (including specialized) and hardware. Resolve problems with III. Maintain responsibility for data integrity. Coordinate electronic licensing. Keep current with technical issues and Internet developments concerning the delivery of electronic products. Participate in planning the library's automation activities Qualifications: MLS from an ALA-accredited library school. Experience with integrated library systems (preferably III). Knowledge and experience with OCLC and MARC formats, and experience in OCLC cataloging or electronic reference services or automated library circulation. Education or experience with hardware and software support. Experience using network technologies and designing Web sites. Knowledge of reference sources, electronic information systems and resources, and methods of research in academic libraries. Excellent communication, organizational, and analytical skills. Ability to work both independently and collegially in a demanding and rapidly changing environment. Academic library experience is preferred. The University of Toledo is a state university in Ohio with an enrollment of approximately 21,000 students. UT is one of America's 100 most wired colleges according to Yahoo. The 255-acre Bancroft campus, the main campus location, in one of Toledo's finest residential neighborhoods, provides a suburban atmosphere, yet is an integral part of the civic, cultural, and commercial life of the community. The city of Toledo has a rich cultural life including a renowned museum of art, as well as an excellent zoo, symphony orchestra, metropolitan park system, and science museum. Its location provides residents with excellent recreational opportunities on Lake Erie and easy access to cities throughout the Midwest. Minimum salary is $34,000. Review of candidates will begin Sept. 30, 1999 and continue until the position is filled. Send a letter indicating how your experience meets the requirements above, a current resume, the names and addresses, and phone numbers of at least three references to: Lucy Duhon, Search Committee Chair, Carlson Library/Serials Dept., University of Toledo, Toledo, OH 43606-3399, (419) 530-4493, fax: (419) 530-2726, Lucy.duhon@utoledo.edu An Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer M/F/D/V From AHogan at UTNet.UToledo.Edu Mon Aug 30 11:15:49 1999 From: AHogan at UTNet.UToledo.Edu (AHogan@UTNet.UToledo.Edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: Position announcement Message-ID: <33BBF70282FDD211AD3700203522B69E375DB6@msg0.utoledo.edu> Interim Coordinator of Library Automation One-year appointment as a visiting instructor, with a possible renewal for two additional years. Responsible for overall management of computer-based systems for the University Libraries. This leadership position requires a mature professional with a combination of technical experience, communication skills, and a desire to explore the application of computers in a library setting. The library computer facilities include 100+ networked PCs, three NT servers, printers, a UNIX based library management system, a WWW server, access to OhioLINK, CD-ROM towers, and other computing facilities. Ideal candidate will have an ALA accredited Masters in Library Science; experience troubleshooting software and hardware problems on PCs using Windows95 and WindowsNT4.0; certification (MSCE) or experience administering NT server; the ability to work other other computing professionals on campus and in the OhioLINK community; a background in managing an integrated library system; knowledge of TCP/IP, the Internet, and World Wide Web (WWW) browsers. The University of Toledo is a state university in Ohio with the main campus located in one of Toledo's finest residential neighborhoods. About 21,000 students are enrolled in associate, baccalaureate, masters and doctoral degrees programs granted through eight colleges. The University is a Doctoral I institution with plans to move to Research II status. The city of Toledo is located along Maumee Bay of Lake Erie within a metropolitan area of over 600,000 people. It offers a renowned art museum, a zoo, a symphony orchestra, and an outstanding metropolitan park system. The city is convenient to several Midwest metro centers. More information about the library and the university can be found at < http://www.cl.utoledo.edu >. The highly competitive compensation package includes medical, dental, vision, pension, an education plan that includes dependents, sick leave and 24 days vacation. Salary is about $50,000. Review of candidates will begin Sept. 30, 1999 and continue until the position is filled. Send a letter indicating how your experience meets the requirements above, a current resume, the names and addresses, and phone numbers of at least three references to Alan D. Hogan, Carlson Library, The University of Toledo, 2801 W. Bancroft St., Toledo, Ohio 43606-3399. An Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer M/F/D/V From davis at revelation.unomaha.edu Mon Aug 30 11:41:24 1999 From: davis at revelation.unomaha.edu (Marc Davis) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: Position Announcement (Omaha, Nebraska) In-Reply-To: <33BBF70282FDD211AD3700203522B69E375DB6@msg0.utoledo.edu> Message-ID: Electronic Services Librarian GENERAL SUMMARY OF RESPONSIBILITIES: Provides leadership in defining, initiating, and maintaining innovative, user-focused electronic services in support of reference activities including areas such as distance education and electronic reserves. Serves as managing editor of the library's web site. Provides general and specialized reference services. Participates in the library bibliographic instruction program. Fulfills collection development and library liaison responsibilities in assigned subject areas. Fulfills requirements of faculty status in areas of contributions to librarianship, scholarly activities, and service. SPECIFIC POSITION RESPONSIBILITIES: 1. Provides general reference desk service for approximately one-third of the total work week, including rotating evening and weekend hours. Uses electronic resources in providing information and reference services; assists and instructs users in the use of electronic and internet resources. 2. Establishes and maintains liaison with faculty in the College of Information Science and Technology and other departments as assigned. 3. Provides library instruction to undergraduate and graduate students in assigned subject areas. 4. Provides leadership in defining, initiating, and maintaining innovative, user-focused electronic services in support of reference activities including areas such as distance education and electronic reserves. 5. Serves as managing editor of the library's web site. Works cooperatively with the library computer systems staff. 6. Assists in the licensing of electronic reference resources. 7. Coordinates implementation of web-based vendor reference resources. 8. Develops and evaluates the reference collection through selection and deselection of reference materials in assigned subject areas. 9. Participates in a variety of collection development activities including, but not limited to, identification and selection of appropriate materials for the general collection in assigned subject areas; regular review of approval plan materials and gifts; and serials review processes as needed. 10. Participates in departmental planning and in the development of policies and procedures. 11. Accepts responsibility for other duties and special projects as assigned. 12. Participates in professional scholarship and service activities as described in the "Guidelines on Appointment, Reappointment, Promotion, and Tenure Recommendations for Faculty Members of the University Library." FACULTY RANK: Professional librarians have academic status and faculty rank, and are subject to Library and University guidelines and criteria for reappointment, promotion, and tenure. QUALIFICATIONS: ALA accredited MLS. Ability to interact effectively with all levels of staff and faculty. Ability to provide reference services in a wide range of subject areas. Broad understanding of both print and electronic reference sources and the impact of technology on libraries. Ability to set and attain goals effectively. Excellent organizational, planning, interpersonal, oral and written skills. Successful experience with web page design and with web-based technologies such as HTML. DESIRED: Reference experience in an academic or research library. Library/bibliographic instruction and/or teaching experience. Coursework or a degree in information science/technology or engineering. An earned subject masters degree in addition to the MLS. Familiarity and/or experience with licensing of electronic resources. Knowledge of copyright and its impact on electronic resources, distance education and electronic reserves. SALARY/BENEFITS: Salary range is upper $30's to lower $40's for a 12 month appointment, tenure track, TIAA/CREF, 24 days vacation, flexible benefits package. AA,EEO Review of applications will begin October 15, 1999 and continue until a candidate is selected. A letter of application, resume, and the names of 3 references should be sent to Jan Boyer, University Library, University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha, NE 68182-0237, e-mail jboyer@unomaha.edu or fax (402) 554-3215. For additional information about UNO or the University Library, please visit UNO's Homepage at http://www.unomaha.edu/ or the Library's Home page at http://library.unomaha.edu. ====================================================== Marc Davis University Library UNOmaha 6001 Dodge Street Omaha, NE, 68182-0237 (402) 554-4949 | Fax (402) 554-3215 davis@revelation.unomaha.edu ------------------------------------------------------ "We'll burn that bridge when we come to it." ------------------------------------------------------ From schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us Mon Aug 30 13:40:35 1999 From: schumann at timberland.lib.wa.us (Donna Schumann) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: ActiveX Security Questions Message-ID: We are in the process of implementing IE5 for staff and on our public access PCs. We have some questions about ActiveX. First, when we run IE5 with "High" security (e.g., with ActiveX disabled), we encounter many web pages that cannot be displayed due to the security settings. We can display these pages without any problems using Netscape 4.X. Why is this? Does Netscape ignore ActiveX? Or does Netscape have the same vulnerabilities, but people aren't talking about them? Or ??? Second, can NTFS file permissions protect us from the security problems with IE5 and ActiveX? This morning I was reading about the IE5 security hole with ActiveX discovered by the Bulgarian hacker Georgi Guninski: The following is from the ZD Net web page (http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2322425,00.html?chkpt=hpqs00104): ***** "Guninski's discovery involves an ActiveX control, included with IE5, that is designed to create "scriptlets" -- small programs that run on the user's machine when he or she views a Web page or e-mail message. (The control is called "Object for constructing type libraries for scriptlets".) "Unfortunately, the ActiveX control has free access to the user's file system and can easily be made to run amok, overwriting vital system files or planting Trojan Horse programs within the system. Because Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT systems are all susceptible, the hole allows anyone with a Web page to plant malicious programs such as Back Orifice or Back Orifice 2000 on the system, invisibly taking it over." ***** When I checked out Guninski's web page, he specifically said that he did not know whether IE5 running on NT was affected. Does anyone on this list know? Thanks a lot! Regards, Donna -------------------------------------------------------------- Donna Schumann Application System Specialist Timberland Regional Library 360-704-4542 FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, Washington schumann@timberland.lib.wa.us From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Aug 30 14:51:54 1999 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: ActiveX Security Questions Message-ID: <990830145154.2803@sals.edu> >Second, can NTFS file permissions protect us from the security problems >with IE5 and ActiveX? I have asked this question on several lists in a different way - if your NTFS permissions are set properly, can ActiveX (or anything else) cause damage that the user would not otherwise have rights to do? >"Unfortunately, the ActiveX control has free access to the user's file >system and can easily be made to run amok, overwriting vital system files >or planting Trojan Horse programs within the system. We have operated for nearly two years without any problems of this nature, and I am inclined to think that if your patrons can't overwrite the system files, you're safe. It would be nice to have confirmation of this, though. Technical note: we use very restrictive file and directory permissions (Internet Explorer doesn't have any problems with that), but have the browser security set low to avoid the errors Donna mentioned. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Mon Aug 30 15:52:29 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: light bulbs Message-ID: <000201bef321$311ce480$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> This was just posted on another list I am on. Thought we could all use a laugh. How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) Past President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: "SUNY Morrisville...It's All About Where You're Goin' " -- From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Mon Aug 30 16:07:39 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: light bulbs Message-ID: <002501bef323$4fd64540$e84ae980@usask.ca> I think that was a more appropriate post for rec.humor.funny than this list. - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ladyhawk at well.com Mon Aug 30 16:39:23 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:47 2005 Subject: Wireless Networks Message-ID: <199908302040.NAA21379@smtp.well.com> The Wireless Networks Tech Note for the Public Library Association is now available at http://www.pla.org/wireless.html I am working at this moment on the Push Technology Tech Note, which I am to finish this week (all the heavenly powers willing). A list of the Tech Notes is at http://www.pla.org/ GraceAnne GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial & Web Consulting, New York City ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html To be involved with books is to live at the heart of light. Mary Cantwell From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 30 16:48:58 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Mozilla Milestone 9 and HTML 4.01 Message-ID: Mozilla (a.k.a. Netscape 5) has released Milestone 9. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m9/ The W3C has released the HTML 4.01 Specification Recommendation. http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/ -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From memort at netcom.com Mon Aug 30 16:50:45 1999 From: memort at netcom.com (Mary-Ellen Mort) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs In-Reply-To: <002501bef323$4fd64540$e84ae980@usask.ca> Message-ID: Me too. Mary-Ellen Mort JobStar Director http://jobstar.org On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Darryl Friesen wrote: > I think that was a more appropriate post for rec.humor.funny than this list. > > - Darryl > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca > Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ > Consulting & Development, Computing Services > University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From spenceruk at freeuk.com Mon Aug 30 17:11:42 1999 From: spenceruk at freeuk.com (Spencer Gasson) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs Message-ID: <01BEF334.A49304E0@du-004-0117.freeuk.com> Doesn't that sort of prove the point of the humour though? ;-) Spence ########################## Web: http://home.freeuk.net/spenceruk/ ICQ: 33650620 " Typos exist in *your* state of mind and not in *my* reality. " Need some light relief at the end of your week? Subscribe to a bumper once a week mailing of the best jokes on the 'net. To subscribe just send a blank email to: FridayHumour-subscribe@Onelist.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Ellen Mort [SMTP:memort@netcom.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs Me too. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Darryl Friesen wrote: > I think that was a more appropriate post for rec.humor.funny than this list. > > - Darryl From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 30 17:02:19 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary-Ellen; Please tell your post (below) was a joke... -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs > > > Me too. > > Mary-Ellen Mort > JobStar Director > http://jobstar.org > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Darryl Friesen wrote: > > > I think that was a more appropriate post for rec.humor.funny > than this list. From memort at netcom.com Mon Aug 30 17:14:14 1999 From: memort at netcom.com (Mary-Ellen Mort) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I could never resist a set-up like that. A character flaw, I admit. Mary-Ellen (bringing a taste of the Borscht Belt to your desktop) On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Michael Sauers wrote: > Mary-Ellen; > > Please tell your post (below) was a joke... > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org > http://www.bcr.org/~msauers > The WWW Library Directory is @ > http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Buy books, music or videos online? > http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: light bulbs > > > > > > Me too. > > > > Mary-Ellen Mort > > JobStar Director > > http://jobstar.org > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Darryl Friesen wrote: > > > > > I think that was a more appropriate post for rec.humor.funny > > than this list. > From hewlett at usfca.edu Mon Aug 30 18:44:14 1999 From: hewlett at usfca.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] InfoTrac and the Man with No Pants References: Message-ID: <37CB093C.44D1453E@usfca.edu> Hi Dan and everyone There appear to be some bad links in this citation. The pdf link displays an article on memory training titled "Don't You Ever Forget It" from Men's Health June 1999. Nothing about Rushdie or Rolling Stone. The picture goes to this article. Jean Hewlett University of San Francisco, North Bay Regional Campus Santa Rosa, CA hewlett@usfca.edu Any opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. Dan Ream wrote: > > How's that for an e-mail subject header?? > > Yesterday while showing our entering freshmen the wonders of InfoTrac > Expanded Academic ASAP during orientation, we did a keyword search for > rap music and violen* > > The first article in our search results was from the May 13, 1999 > issue of Rolling Stone and in InfoTrac is supposedly abstract-only. > > Welllll, take a look at the record and tell me what you see. > > Better yet, tell me why!! We and our freshmen got a good laugh out of it, > but I'm still not sure why this picture is included in the abstract of > this and most of the other article abstracts in InfoTrac from that May 13, > 1999 issue of Rolling Stone. > > Theories or explanations, anyone?? > > --Dan Ream > Virginia Commonwealth University Library > Richmond, Virginia From danforth at tiac.net Mon Aug 30 19:06:27 1999 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: Using proxies with Netscape 4.08 Standalone Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19990830190627.00874b70@sunspot.tiac.net> I have successfully used proxies in Netscape 4.05 to keep people confined to a few databases such as EBSCOhost, Galenet, etc. I just upgraded to netscape 4.08, because that was listed as a Y2K compatible version of Netscape. With the new version of Netscape, I cannot seem to make a connection to Ebsco version 3. No matter what I put into the acceptable addresses, I am not allowed to connect. Version 4.05 of Netscape gave me no problem. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Isabel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Technology Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Robert.Wing at sjeccd.cc.ca.us Mon Aug 30 20:07:38 1999 From: Robert.Wing at sjeccd.cc.ca.us (Wing, Robert) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: InfoTrac and the Man with No Pants Message-ID: <30246E1E6D44D311A11200E029132D37309720@DO_EXCHANGE> On Friday, 27 Aug 1999, Dan Ream wrote: > Topic No. 12 > Yesterday while showing our entering freshmen the wonders of InfoTrac > Expanded Academic ASAP during orientation, we did a keyword search for > rap music and violen* > Theories or explanations, anyone?? > --Dan Ream > Virginia Commonwealth University Library > Richmond, Virginia The photo that comes up when you do a keyword search in InfoTrac for "rap music and violen*" is from the periodical "Men's Health" June 1999 v14 i5 p74. I agree with Elizabeth McKenty's thought that while possible, this was probably not a case of an employee having "fun." My theory is that there is not very good quality control within the database and/or technical problems at Galenet where they get their "wires crossed." At my library, we have many instances where strange things happen while searching InfoTrac also. Some of the errors we experience are: "We're sorry!... InfoTrac server is down... Please start a new session" "Lost connection to InfoTrac server" "Record data not available" "Record #A17165615 is not accessible at this time" (various records, not only this one) "We're sorry!... No page 16 recorded in your session" "Sorry... Cannot find specified segment" Also, and most bizarre, different number of citations listed for the same search, even though the searches were performed on the same day, one right after the other (no typos!) Has anyone else gotten these types of messages on a frequent basis? We get a combination of several of these messages each day, and can't determine a pattern. The most frequently occurring message is the one that indicates the "InfoTrac server" is down, but the computer right next to the one giving the message often has no problem. Tech support has been notified and is unable to figure out what is going on. The problems are sometimes so frequent and frustrating that some of the librarians here are thinking about canceling InfoTrac and replacing it with another database from different vendor. Can anyone recommend a fulltext periodical database which does not have so many glitches... Wilson, EBSCO, UMI, etc? Any comments would be appreciated. I might add that we use "InfoTrac Custom" where we choose the periodical titles in the database, as opposed to something like Academic Index/ASAP which uses a set list of titles, but tech support doesn't think this should make a difference. We also don't think it is a local problem with our network connection because we have several other web-based databases, including another Galenet database, that we don't have problems with and we have also done pings and trace routes and these haven't indicated anything unusual. Anyone have any ideas? TIA Robert Wing Librarian San Jose City College 2100 Moorpark Ave. San Jose, CA 95128-2799 408-298-2181, ext.3945 email: robert.wing@sjeccd.cc.ca.us From dan at 84.com Mon Aug 30 22:16:57 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:22:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Standby for Reverse Paradigm Shift In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990830201103.00a8df00@dpop.micron.net> At 12:49 PM 8/29/99 -0700, Jan Lindquist wrote: >If you're preserving a rare book in a digital version, how do you preserve >the digital file? Ironically, the digital versions of books don't last long. That all depends. If they're handled right, they last forever, unlike paper. >Paper documents, especially those made before the use of pulp (and the >introduction of acid), can remain in good condition for hundreds of years, >but a typical digital file on a CD-ROM might stay fully intact for only 30 >years. That isn't a problem as long as it is copied to a newer (or the same) medium as necessary. >huge amounts of knowledge recorded in the late 20th century exist only in >digital form. That sounds like a good thing to me. >But skeptics claim that there won't be time or money to make sure all the >important data gets transferred - there's just too much of it. Well, then that may be a good thing. That which is worth saving will be saved. That which is not won't. Van Gogh's paintings will continue to be saved and preserved. Mine won't. No great loss. The same is, and has always been, true of printed materials. There are literally tons of books at LC that will self-destruct before they're de-acidified or otherwise copied or preserved. They preserve the most valuable, those most worth keeping. > He advocates a hybrid approach, combining digital versions (for easy > access), microfilm (for preservation - it's believed to last for hundreds > of years), and the original documents. Gee, sounds just like a library. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From tgutmann at suffolk.lib.ny.us Fri Aug 6 08:43:53 1999 From: tgutmann at suffolk.lib.ny.us (Gutmann) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:07 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] CGI script to replace a form? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990805162642.00b603c0@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu> Message-ID: Byron, If I understand the situation correctly, I think you could just create a simple html page with the code for the form essentially the same as you have it along with some Javascript code to automatically submit the form--something like this:
Just remember to add a 'name' parameter to the form tag and remove the submit button. Hope this helps. Ted Gutmann Computer Systems Administrator Emma S. Clark Memorial Library Setauket, New York tgutmann@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://emma.suffolk.lib.ny.us ----------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Byron C. Mayes wrote: > Greetings from NYC, > > We recently obtained an account with NISC for the web version of Child > Abuse and Neglect (CA&N). Going to the URL > takes one to a login > screen (as if you couldn't guess) where one must enter a username and > password to gain access. > > NISC sent me a way to bypass the login procedure in the form of the form > HTML code below: > >
method="post"> > > > >
> > This, obviously, produces a submit button, which is fine for a web page, > but not for things like bookmarks and delimited lists which is our > preferred method of access to our web-accessible resources. > > OCLC FirstSearch pointed us to a script that automatically logs one in to > that system, so our URL for FS points to that script (on our server) and > fits nicely into bookmark files, delimited list HTML code, and e-mail > messages. I'd like to do the same for CA&N. > > My question is this: is it possible to create a CGI script that will pass > the above information to the URL in the same way as the form? if anyone has > done something like this and is willing to share the script, I'd be greatly > appreciative. > > Thanks, > Byron C. Mayes > > > > Prof. Byron C. Mayes Systems Librarian/Asst. Professor > Hunter College, City Univ. of New York > Library E316 * 695 Park Avenue * New York, New York 10021 > bcmayes@hunter.cuny.edu * 212-772-4168 * Fax: 212-772-5113 > Listowner, BLACK-IP, Black Information Professionals' Network > From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Aug 6 08:59:40 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew I. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: CGI script to replace a form? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used both the CGI method - I sent Byron a copy of the script we use - and the Javascript method. Some database vendors don't like you leaving your userid's and passwords floating about and frown on the Javascript method for that reason. Check with your vendor before choosing your route. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Gutmann wrote: > Byron, > > If I understand the situation correctly, I think you could just create a > simple html page with the code for the form essentially the same as you > have it along with some Javascript code to automatically submit the > form--something like this: > > > >
name="yoursearch" > action="http://biblioline.nisc.com/scripts/login.dll?login" > method="post"> > > >
> > > > > > Just remember to add a 'name' parameter to the form tag and remove the > submit button. Hope this helps. > > Ted Gutmann > Computer Systems Administrator > Emma S. Clark Memorial Library > Setauket, New York > tgutmann@suffolk.lib.ny.us > http://emma.suffolk.lib.ny.us > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Byron C. Mayes wrote: > > > Greetings from NYC, > > > > We recently obtained an account with NISC for the web version of Child > > Abuse and Neglect (CA&N). Going to the URL > > takes one to a login > > screen (as if you couldn't guess) where one must enter a username and > > password to gain access. > > > > NISC sent me a way to bypass the login procedure in the form of the form > > HTML code below: > > > >
> method="post"> > > > > > > > >
> > > > This, obviously, produces a submit button, which is fine for a web page, > > but not for things like bookmarks and delimited lists which is our > > preferred method of access to our web-accessible resources. > > > > OCLC FirstSearch pointed us to a script that automatically logs one in to > > that system, so our URL for FS points to that script (on our server) and > > fits nicely into bookmark files, delimited list HTML code, and e-mail > > messages. I'd like to do the same for CA&N. > > > > My question is this: is it possible to create a CGI script that will pass > > the above information to the URL in the same way as the form? if anyone has > > done something like this and is willing to share the script, I'd be greatly > > appreciative. > > > > Thanks, > > Byron C. Mayes > > > > > > > > Prof. Byron C. Mayes Systems Librarian/Asst. Professor > > Hunter College, City Univ. of New York > > Library E316 * 695 Park Avenue * New York, New York 10021 > > bcmayes@hunter.cuny.edu * 212-772-4168 * Fax: 212-772-5113 > > Listowner, BLACK-IP, Black Information Professionals' Network > > > From mmhung at hknet.com Fri Aug 6 09:09:28 1999 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: audio visual material Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990806210928.007d2540@hknet.com> to catalog audio visual materials in the library please help in check these media: CD-ROM GMD: [computer file] media: Cassette tape GMD: [sound recording] media: Video tape GMD: [video recording] media: Compact disc (non musical) GMD: [sound recording] media: VCD GMD: [video recording] media: Laser Disc GMD: [video recording] for SLS usage is Hong Kong what is the item type of the above media media: CD-ROM itype: 500 media: Cassette tape itype: 300 media: Video tape itype: 600 media: Compact disc (non musical) itype: 300 media: VCD itype: 600 media: Laser Disc itype: 600 *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From jbiquez at icsmx.com Fri Aug 6 04:42:34 1999 From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: Materials In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990806210928.007d2540@hknet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990806084234.008c68b0@intranet.com.mx> Hello all. Some users has been asking us lately about if we do not offer Free material for the creation of their web pages. We would like to offer them a place on our web page where they could have some free and download it as well as resources on the net where they can find some other. We were alse thinking on buying some CD's that sell the content as royaltie free and free for distributions so we do not have problems with the material offered. My questions: 1) Any experiences similar to this?. 2) Do you offer this service to your users? 2a)If you offer this service. Could you share the URL of your site? 3) Would you been so kind to share your resources on the Net? 4) Any suggestions on what CD's to buy for these material. Thanks in advance. Jorge Biquez From sean at savvysearch.com Fri Aug 6 11:27:27 1999 From: sean at savvysearch.com (sean) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: tools for creating subject specific search engine References: Message-ID: <37AAFEDF.FF23E851@savvysearch.com> Avi Rappoport wrote: > For free large search engines, it's hard to go wrong with ht://Dig. yes. agreed. very nice, well documented, works great, and it spiders and crawls and goes almost anywhere you ask it to... > For more info on available site, intranet and portal search engines, > see my pages at . hard to go wrong with this web page (searchtools) btw - i give it out all the time to people who ask about setting up their own search engine. --sean :-) -- mailto:sean@savvysearch.com sean dreilinger, mlis http://www.savvysearch.com http://durak.org/sean From Ldavids at nwu.edu Fri Aug 6 11:58:55 1999 From: Ldavids at nwu.edu (Lloyd Davidson) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: tools for creating subject specific search engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990806104928.01f3bf00@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> From the latest FreePint, #44 (attached below in its entirety - an excellent publication) try these sites. From "Interview: Reva Basch, Super Searcher" by Marylaine Block: Of course I subscribe to Danny Sullivan's Search Engine Report; and that reminds me periodically to go take a look at Greg Notess' site , and occasionally I go back to Danny's Search Engine Watch site for more detailed information on something he's written about . I also read Outsell's e-Brief for news about the online industry. ------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Free Pint No.44 Free Pint "Helping 24,000 people use the Web for their work" http://www.freepint.co.uk/ ISSN 1460-7239 5th August 1999 #44 > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = IN THIS ISSUE EDITORIAL TIPS AND TECHNIQUES "Interview: Reva Basch, Super Searcher" by Marylaine Block BOOKSHELF "Net Worth" Reviewed by Phil Bradley FEATURE ARTICLE "How will we survive Information Overload?" By Dr. Pita Enriquez Harris FREE PINT FEEDBACK AND BAR "What's happening at the Free Pint Bar?" 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WHY AREN'T YOU? <<< http://www.freepint.co.uk/advert.htm > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EDITORIAL If you ask for help, then you'll generally get it ... especially if you're a member of the Free Pint readership. This is what I've learnt by watching the development of the Free Pint Bar on the Web site . It is proving to be a very popular haunt for all your tricky Web-related questions, and I do encourage you to continue making the most of it ... it's your resource for tapping into the wealth of knowledge of our 24,000+ readers. Remember, if you want a summary of new postings sent to you by email every other weekday then send a blank email to . In this issue we have our first ever interview with a true super searcher ... and I've picked up some great new research tools from it. I think the idea of an interview works really well in Free Pint and so I'm keen to bring you more in the future. 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I've dropped some of them, but I'm still getting Wired News and C|Net News, as well as the New York Times' Technology update. I also get half a dozen or so newsletters in ASCII, including Edupage, NewsScan (a spinoff by the former editors of Edupage), Bob Seidman's Online Insider, and a very interesting one called The Rapidly Changing Face of Computing, put out by a fellow named Jeff Harrow (I think; I don't have a copy at hand to verify) at Compaq. Of course I subscribe to Danny Sullivan's Search Engine Report; and that reminds me periodically to go take a look at Greg Notess' site , and occasionally I go back to Danny's Search Engine Watch site for more detailed information on something he's written about . I also read Outsell's e-Brief for news about the online industry. One pub that I enjoy just for fun is Netsurfer Digest ; it covers some weird and/or interesting sites in an intelligent, funny, and non-hyped way. I used to subscribe to Net-Happenings, but I just couldn't keep up. Same thing with BUSLIB-L; the volume is just so great that it quickly gets out of hand. I actually don't follow many listservs anymore; the signal-to-noise ratio is so low on many of them. I do subscribe to a computer book writers list, and to my professional association's listserv, AIIP-L, which is restricted to members of the Association of Independent Information Professionals . I pick up a lot of information about new sources and technologies on The WELL , an online community I've been a part of since 1988. Folks there are exceedingly well informed about both current technologies and emerging trends; in fact, a lot of trend-MAKERS hang out there, and you can eavesdrop on their conversations, so to speak, or pick their brains informally. As for print pubs, I read Online, Database (now eContent) , Searcher, and Information Today , and the CyberSkeptic's Guide to Internet Research , as well as PriceWatcher, Bibliodata's new newsletter about online pricing . I look at The Information Advisor newsletter ; I used to be a contributing editor. I still read WIRED , though it no longer feels, to me, like it's on the bleeding edge of technology. I look at Upside for the Silicon Valley business perspective, and Brill's Content, which covers media issues in general but devotes a considerable chunk of space to the web and electronic content. I used to subscribe to Fast Company and The Industry Standard, but dropped them both -- information overload. I also look at the Special Libraries Association's monthly Information Outlook , and at a Canadian journal called Information Highways . I'm sure I'm forgetting something! Marylaine --------- In overseeing your new series of Super Searcher books, what are the most interesting things you've learned from the Super Searchers? Reva ---- It's hard to summarize. The first book in the new series, Super Searchers Do Business, by Mary Ellen Bates, is about business searching and was just published in June. The second one, by T.R. Halvorson, an attorney and legal researcher, is called Law of the Super Searchers and will be out in the fall. We have titles on finance and investment, medical and healthcare information, and news and current events lined up after that. Information Today, Inc. is the publisher, and they're very excited about and extremely supportive of the series. I'd say that the single most interesting thing I've learned from the "new" super searchers so far is that -- despite the rise of the web and all the other technological changes that the web has brought about, not to mention the tremendous expansion in content and in our options for accessing that content -- the skills required to be a successful researcher really have not changed. It still takes creativity, above all, a flexible approach to problem-solving, a good command of language, the ability to discern subtle connections and to make intuitive leaps instead of just proceeding down an orderly, linear path. Those skills -- or maybe they're characteristics one is born with -- still define a virtuoso searcher, as they did when I published the original Secrets of the Super Searchers in 1993, and Secrets of the Super Net Searchers in 1996. I feel strongly that they will continue to do so. Yes, you can take training and learn on the job, but to be more than a merely competent researcher -- to be an INSPIRED one -- you really have to have it inside you. It isn't something you learn. Marylaine --------- Of all the new developments in search technologies, which ones do you think librarians need to pay most attention to? Reva ---- Natural language querying and search processing, XML and other meta-data schemes, and whatever enhancements the next generation of search engines comes up with. We're seeing a lot of differentiation among search engines today, especially in how they present the data to us. Northern Lights with its Custom Folders is just one example. I'm also interested in new algorithms for retrieving and ranking search results. With Boolean searching, we usually defaulted to date, most recent first. Web engines generally rank by relevance. Now we see experiments in collaborative filtering, where the position of an item on your hit list is determined by what other people thought of that resource, or how many other sites (especially sites generally regarded as important or authoritative) link to it, or its popularity as measured by the amount of traffic to it. It's a fascinating idea, and worth keeping an eye on. Marylaine --------- In a world where patrons want and expect full-text when they sit down at a computer, what do you think will happen with traditional databases which have only citations and abstracts? Reva ---- And indexing, too, I assume. That's such an interesting question, because abstract-and-index databases add so much control and precision to searching, and do so much to streamline the evaluation of search results. I started life -- my professional life, anyway -- as an engineering librarian. I loved to search Ei Compendex, NTIS, Inspec, all those technology databases. But if a database record you're interested in stops with a cite and an abstract, you're faced with the document delivery problem. As your question implies, that's archaic. I think the solution lies in hybrid databases where you can elect to do a controlled vocabulary search or confine your search to the abstract where the most important concepts are likely to appear, then search the full text if you haven't found what you want. In any event, the full text should be there, or a hyperlink away, whether on the web or on a CD-ROM or wherever. Marylaine --------- Do you think publishers will continue to offer small, highly targeted databases, or do you think the future belongs to large aggregated databases? Reva ---- Your questions are so good! I still mourn the demise of Coffeeline on Dialog. If small, highly targeted databases die out, it won't be for lack of interest or utility, but because of economics and the fiercely competitive struggle for attention in today's information marketplace. Important, research-intensive segments of the economy -- biomedical researchers, chemists, financial analysts and investment bankers, for example -- are well served by specialized information providers using systems and software that no general vendor of aggregated databases could possibly match. For now, at least, although there are signs of aggregation on the web, the nature of the beast is working against it. What I think MIGHT happen is that search engines -- or maybe bots, software entities that we program to keep abreast of our research interests -- will become so sophisticated that we can present them with our research request and they'll go out and check all the appropriate databases, small and large, aggregated and un-, using whatever query language each individual database understands, and taking advantage of all the special features they offer, and return to us with the answer or data sets we need: Voila! But then, I've always been a technology optimist. Marylaine --------- Thanks Reva. I learned so much from you in your presentations at Nylink and Internet Librarians that I was delighted to have the chance to pass it on to Free Pint's readers. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Marylaine Block is a writer, Internet trainer, and librarian without walls (formerly a librarian at St. Ambrose University where she created a web site called Best Information on the Net). Find out more at . Marylaine produces ExLibris: a weekly e-zine for librarians and other information junkies, which poses questions, issues, and possible solutions or directions, for librarians and other users of information technologies. Reva Basch, Aubergine Information Services, is the author of Secrets of the Super Net Searchers and Researching Online For Dummies, and is the (W)rap Columnist for ONLINE magazine. Reva can be contacted by email or at . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Admission to the new seminar and case study programmes at e-business (99) is free if you pre-register before the end of August. Highlights include e-commerce development case studies from Heinz, Hamleys, PACE, Currant Bun and Toyota. See e-business in action with some of the world's largest brands by registering for your free pass at www.redman.co.uk > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [re444] >>> RECOMMEND FREE PINT TO YOUR FRIENDS <<< Allow us to send a polite introductory note about Free Pint to your colleagues. Simply enter their email address at ... http://www.freepint.co.uk/reco.htm > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = FREE PINT BOOKSHELF http://www.freepint.co.uk/bookshelf "Net Worth" Reviewed by Phil Bradley Net Worth is a follow-up title to Net Gain: Expanding markets through Virtual Communities. 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[continued] ... read Phil's full review on the Web site at ... http://www.freepint.co.uk/bookshelf/networth.htm Find out about the other great Web-related books we're reading at . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LOWEST COST ".co.uk" DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION Reserve your name before someone else does 45 pounds (plus VAT) INCLUDING all fees for 2 years http://www.willco.co.uk/services/domreg.htm > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [wc445] FEATURE ARTICLE "How will we survive Information Overload?" By Dr. Pita Enriquez Harris Northern Light has a new advertisement, which makes ample use of white space, stating simply, in the centre of an almost empty page: "You're a corporate librarian. Obviously, you're in it for the glory." It is meant ironically. (I'm guessing.) Would you believe it if I told you I think it's true? Think about it. On the one hand we've got management gurus like Peter Drucker telling us that because of the massive shift from manual work to knowledge work, information challenges and the productivity of the knowledge worker will be the key indicators of future economic success. On the other hand, we have those surveys from Reuters that warn of the dire consequences of an executive workforce suffering from information overload, not to mention regular articles in the broadsheets making the same point (only, more stridently). How we deal with issues of information overload and information literacy therefore, has become one of the chief challenges of economic growth. And information professionals, including corporate librarians, have an opportunity to lead the way. We tend to think of machines as being good at processing information. This is true for processes that can be expressed as a mathematical algorithm and which are repetitive. What machines aren't yet very good at is mimicking the human power of making the types of complex decisions like "Is this relevant" and "Why?" and "Who should know this, and why?" and "Who would know more about this?" and "What information is missing here?" Human brains are relatively amazing at processing information in this way. It'll be a very long time before a computer can write "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." But we can't parallel-process or multi-task the way computers can. And we get tired after a few hours and need to nap and watch "Star Trek" to get our minds off the information. Learning and processing information are, like any human function, grounded in physiological processes. If we knew exactly what these were, we might be able to manipulate them with drugs. There is already some indication that the nicotine in cigarettes can aid learning - you learn faster when you're taking a drag! But there would probably be a cost to manipulating the brain in this way - you might get tired faster, for example. If we want to get better quickly at handling information overload in the near future, we have only two realistic options. One is to get better at producing information. The second is to use software intelligently, without expecting that it alone will solve all the problems. You could argue that contrary to popular opinion, we are not, in fact, demonstrating the limits of our ability to process information. That 'information overload' is caused primarily by an abundance of unusable, irrelevant information. We can plan to tackle this problem by investing millions to develop software that can filter out the trash. We could also tackle the problem at the other end, improving the quality of the information we produce so that there isn't so much trash, and teaching people from an early age how to do information research efficiently. Noreen Mac Morrow of Strathclyde Business School, agrees that information overload is as much a cultural as technological issue. "We gather more and more information but allow ourselves less and less time to actually absorb it. Part of the problem is finding that reflective time to be able to put the pieces together in a way that is meaningful." Dr. Michael Stein, a Commissioning Editor with Blackwell Science tells me; "The problem with information overload is that people are unable to make a coherent story out of it. They try to bring in all this disparate information but what really makes a good story, or a good textbook, is a distillation of wisdom. All our best teachers have the story-telling skill." If the transfer of the written word from the page to the screen is relatively non-revolutionary, the invention of hypertext is. It introduces a whole new perspective to the story-telling paradigm of human communication - the story that is bifurcating, labyrinthine, and always unique. Dr. Stein reflects on the implications of this. "The problem with the Internet is all the amazing amounts of information. Certain people have the ability to navigate through that and create their own story. But most people aren't actually that creative. They want to be told, they want to hear stories." Now, even Big Business seems to be embracing this idea. In his paper to the 1999 Knowledge Management Conference and Exhibition (held in London, March 1999), David Snowden of IBM Global Services spoke about a new KM practice of collecting and storing the kind of anecdotes about the business and using this database of stories to the advantage of the company. If adopted generally as a 'KM Technique', this will represent a realistic, duplicable approach to the problem of how to capitalize on the tacit knowledge within an organization. As Thomas Stewart writes in an article for Fortune, "Nothing serves a leader better than a knack for narrative. Stories anoint role models, impart values, and show how to execute indescribably complex tasks." Free Pint is using this technique also. William Hann has facilitated the creation of a virtual community, with storytellers at the heart of the movement. The Free Pint writers weave stories around a handful of carefully chosen Web addresses, picked for their ability to add value to the experience of going onto the Web. Without the story, we'd be left with fragmentary information, and little evidence of the human mind behind the plan. Finally, here's some ammunition to use to persuade your managers to take information overload seriously and plan for training and software solutions. Surveys on information overload: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Subway/7854/abs.htm The Implementation of Intranet Technology as a Solution to Information Overload in the Top 100 Commercial Organisations in the United Kingdom by Steve Parker of Queen Mary University College, Edinburgh. http://www.reuters.com/rbb/research/overloadframe.htm http://www.reuters.com/rbb/research/newresframe.htm "Dying for information" and "Out of the Abyss" - the Reuters-commissioned survey which sparked the furore and the follow-up which shows that although there are improvements, we still have a way to go. Also useful is the Reuters Guide to Good Information Strategy at http://www.reuters.com/rbb/research/gisframe.htm Why search engines aren't good enough: http://www.anchordesk.com/a/adt0708ba/3594 "Search Stinks! But you don't have to take it" Jesse Berst's comments on the latest research findings (published in Nature) of search engines and how well (or not) they cover the Web. Learn about upcoming software tools that use visualization to help make sense of huge volumes of information: The Information Refinery (http://tir.tasc.com/) I2 (http://www.i2.co.uk) Harlequin (http://www.harlequin.co.uk) > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Pita Enriquez Harris is one of the founders of The Oxford Knowledge Company, which is dedicated to helping companies tackle information overload. They offer training, software and custom research and current awareness services to assist people to make the best use of external information. A more comprehensive version of this article will be published in ASLIB's Millenium book; "i in the sky: Visions of the Information Future" edited by Alison Scammell. Publication date is December, orders via Portland Press, Tel 01206 796 351, email . Other articles by Dr. Harris can be found on the company Web site at: http://www.oxford-knowledge.co.uk/ You can also download a trial copy of award-winning Web search software BullsEye from http://www.oxford-knowledge.co.uk/bullseye.htm Email: pita@oxford-knowledge.com [Chat to the author now at the Bar ] > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> EASY ACCESS TO THE WHOLE OF FREE PINT <<< http://www.freepint.co.uk/guide Visit our Yahoo-like guide to all past articles by subject > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ***e-business (99) THE FUSION OF BUSINESS & TECHNOLOGY*** Redman Media's e-business event will mark its 5th anniversary at the NEC on the 14th of September. The 3 day show features an exhibition with 120 worldwide standholders, a complimentary conference and a host of special features for developing and implementing an online business strategy. 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Hundreds of you have now signed up for the Bar Digest - an email summary of the latest postings sent every other day. If you would like to receive this then simply send a blank email to . I've summarised below links to some of the major themes at the Bar, but please do visit today to access the many other interesting subjects being covered or to post your own comments or questions. William New requests for information and discussions ... UK jobs http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=308 Request and discussion regarding UK job Web sites Calling cultural sector consultants and freelances http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=310 Where does these people meet online? Chat within web site http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=319 Information request and discussion regarding implementation of chat Editor required for Web newsletter http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=339 Request for the above, followed by suggestions Smart card technology for government applications http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=347 Request for information, and pointer to a knowledgeable source Locating people in the UK http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=358 Request and suggestions for finding addresses and telephone numbers Article contributions welcomed http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=289 Call to potential authors for contributions to Free Pint Developing and interesting discussions following the last issue ... Communities and links for the broadcast and film industry http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=214 A selection of good replies which should make a starting point R&D and IP http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=232 Some super discussion around how to link the Research and Development functions with those of Intellectual Property. Free education for adults http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=268 Some starting points suggested E-journals and tables of content http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=272 A whole range of suggestions on this topic Distance volunteering http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=280 Useful links to begin looking Recruitment industry sites (Scientific and/or healthcare particularly) http://www.freepint.co.uk/cgi-bin/webbbs/config.pl?read=286 Lots of links and suggestions coming forth If you have something to discuss or have a request for information then post your message now ... http://www.freepint.co.uk/bar > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: RE: Smart card Web search (Free Pint No.43) From: Various "It would be unusual for companies putting smart card requirements out to tender directly. They are more likely to use a brokerage service such as the OJEC or Contrax Weekly or others. These publications can cost approximately 500 pounds per year to subscribe to. Specialist agencies such as ours offer a bureau service which builds a profile of your requirements. Because we are constantly seeking out tenders and export sales opportunities & JVs, it is likely that the cost of subscribing to the service (average cost 50 pounds per month) is paid back in double time. As a gesture to Free Pint, if Sarah Garcia contacts us direct, we will give her all the contacts we have on our books for smartcards free of charge." Stuart Finch SDF-ASSIST, Tender Search Service "You might like to try the identification, smart card and security division of the company I work for. I'm sorry, I know nothing about the issues. Their site is I hope this is of some help. I do work with information retrieval and internet search tools, so if you give me more details about the type of searches you wish to carry out, I might be able to help there." Simon Collery, > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send your letter to or discuss it online at > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: RE: Web catalogue data protection enquiry (Free Pint No.43) From: Dorren Broom, Data Administrator, Scottish Borders Council Date: Friday 23rd July 1999 I note you refer to the Data Protection Act applying in England and Wales - it does in Scotland too. The only thing which differs in Scotland is our implementation of the Freedom of Information Bill which I believe is to be different. Under the English system - DPA takes precedence over the Freedom of Information Act but whether that will be the case in Scotland I am not quite sure. While we are on this topic - I wrote to the Home Office Website three months ago to ask if the Crime and Disorder Act affected Scotland too - to date I have not received a reply. My view is that any Act is an Act which affects the whole of the UK - the only difference with the Crime and Disorder Act is that the law in Scotland is slightly different to that of England and Wales - can anyone clarify for me please? > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send your letter to or discuss it online at > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: RE: Dialup versus LAN use of email (Free Pint No.43) From: Jennie Farnell Date: Friday 23rd July 1999 In response to Matt Hurst's letter regarding netiquette, I must agree with his observation. I find that those correspondents with a LAN based connection use their e-mail as a conversation tool, almost as if you were speaking on the telephone. Those with a dial up seem to perceive it more like a fax communication - a one way transmission meant to communicate information only. 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Over 60 sessions, 2 plenaries, 6 pre-conferences, and 236 individual presentations! Programming time has expanded. PLenary starts at 2:00 pm on SUNDAY, October 31 The Technical Program is organized around five tracks: * KNOWLEDGE Discovery, Capture and Creation: capturing tacit knowledge, data mining, expert directories... * CLASSIFICATION and Representation: Metadata, information visualization, taxonomies, clustering, indexing... * Information RETRIEVAL: Search engine design, evaluation, navigation, browsing vs. searching... * Knowledge DISSEMINATION: Communication, publishing, push vs. pull... * Ethical, Cultural, Social and BEHAVIORAL Aspects: policies & politics, knowledge seeking behavior, rights tracking, ... PLENARIES: * Knowledge Management: Harnessing the Human Dynamic. Tom Sudman, President and Founder, Digital AV * Intellectual Property Rights and the Emerging Information Infrastructure. Summary and discussion of a report to be released by the National Academy's Computer Science & Telecommunications Board. PRE-CONFERENCES: * Information Product Development: Enabling Knowledge-based Systems (2 day seminar/workshop: 10/29 & 10/30) * Practical Text Mining (10/29) * Thesauri for Indexing and Retrieval (10/29) * Intro to XML (10/30) * Metadata for Digital Libraries (10/30) * Second Generation Intranet Development (10/30) SEE YOU IN DC! ---------- --------------- Richard Hill American Society for Information Science 8720 Georgia Avenue, Suite 501 Silver Spring, MD 20910 (301) 495-0900 FAX: (301) 495-0810 http://www.asis.org From transit at primenet.com Fri Aug 6 14:56:40 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Navigator - The No-Exit Option In-Reply-To: <378F65EB.EB790A27@waterford.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Andrew Mutch wrote: > I just tried playing around with IE4 to see what it would do.... > You can run IE in a "kiosk" mode -- just add "-k" at the end of the command line. > This will run a frameless window without any toolbars. However, using my "kiosk" > method won't add the toolbars in this mode [although you can use it to create > windows with selected toolbars but it will prompt you before closing the initial > window]. I haven't tried it with IE5 so you may get different behavior there. That's what I'm doing now with IE5. It seems to work pretty well, and the library users like it. Two sticking points, though 1. I use Javascript to open up new browser windows from the kiosk menu. (These browser windows have the normal set of menus and tools on them). It works well 99% of the time, but occasionally, one of these browser windows will open up behind the (unmoveable) kiosk window. Rebooting the computer is the only way to get things back to "normal" 2. The "taskbar" will occasionally show up in front of the kiosk window; I'd rather it not do so. (I've set the machines up so that they only go into kiosk mode if a certain username logs in, otherwise they go into normal Windows operation). From nanettel at hskids-tmsc.org Fri Aug 6 18:14:25 1999 From: nanettel at hskids-tmsc.org (Nanette Lofaro) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: POSITION: Web Specialist (Re-posted) Message-ID: <000301bee059$0bf884a0$083d479e@Nanette.acf.dhhs.gov> Web Specialist Trans-Management Systems Corp., a management services company, is seeking a Web Specialist responsible for the continuing development and maintenance of a federally-funded Web site on child development issues. Responsibilities include maintaining content and design of Web site and planning and implementation of collaboratively designed electronic services. Qualifications: minimum two years experience in web development. Working knowledge of HTML, JAVAScript, Cold Fusion; understanding of electronic information dissemination as it applies to content and delivery; demonstrated ability to communicate orally for presentations; detail-oriented; and excellent interpersonal skills. Must be able to work in a collaborative environment. Knowledge of Library Science, Information Management or Information Architecture. Some travel required. For immediate consideration, please forward resume, cover letter and salary requirements to: Phyllis McCormick TMSC 1025 Vermont Ave., NW Suite 830 Washington, DC 20005 Email B Phylmc@tmsc.net From riddle at is.rice.edu Fri Aug 6 16:28:59 1999 From: riddle at is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: MOMspider getting spurious 500 Server Errors Message-ID: <199908062029.PAA00407@is.rice.edu> [Pardon me for posting a not-particularly-library-related question, but I know there are some MOMspider users on this list.] I'm in the process of setting up MOMspider to let my users check their links on demand (http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/MOMspider/) and have run into an odd problem. One particular Netscape FastTrack 2.01 server on campus is giving 500 Server Errors when MOMspider tries to visit its pages. MOMspider can successfully do a GET operation in order to traverse a page, but a HEAD operation yields a 500 Server Error. What's more, only HTML documents seem to be affected; doing a HEAD on a GIF file, for instance, works fine. I've tried simulating the HTTP transaction by telnetting to port 80 on the server and my results by hand match those for MOMspider: HEAD requests get me a 500 Server Error. I don't have direct access to the log files, but the sysadmin of that machine reports that the error entries look like this: [04/Aug/1999:11:21:45] config: for host foo.rice.edu trying to HEAD /bar/blah/mod6.html, handle-processed reports: no way to service request for /bar/blah/mod6.html [04/Aug/1999:11:27:03] config: for host foo.rice.edu trying to HEAD /bar/blah/mod1.html, handle-processed reports: no way to service request for /bar/blah/mod1.html [04/Aug/1999:11:33:41] config: for host foo.rice.edu trying to HEAD /bar/blah/mod1.html, handle-processed reports: no way to service request for /bar/blah/mod1.html Any ideas? Are there any known bugs in Netscape FastTrack which could explain this problem? -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Fri Aug 6 17:26:34 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Navigator - The No-Exit Option References: Message-ID: <37AB530A.B32F2991@anaheim.lib.ca.us> I am surprised Alt-Tab does not allow you to switch Windows. -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library Charles P. Hobbs wrote: > 1. I use Javascript to open up new browser windows from the kiosk > menu. (These browser windows have the normal set of menus and tools on > them). It works well 99% of the time, but occasionally, one of these > browser windows will open up behind the (unmoveable) kiosk window. > Rebooting the computer is the only way to get things back to "normal" From transit at primenet.com Fri Aug 6 18:01:17 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Navigator - The No-Exit Option In-Reply-To: <37AB530A.B32F2991@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > I am surprised Alt-Tab does not allow you to switch Windows. Not with the kiosk mode, it seems . . . From ras at anzio.com Fri Aug 6 20:27:29 1999 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:08 2005 Subject: Anzio 12.1 beta testers wanted Message-ID: Greetings! Please pardon duplication. If you would like to experiment with the new features in Anzio (Windows telnet client) 12.1, soon to be released, please email me OFF-LIST. In a nutshell, new features include: * Right mouse context menu * Support for TAPI modems * IME Far East input in Windows 2000 * Entry of Unicode characters * Rlogin protocol * PrintScreen key does (drum roll...) Print Screen * Enhancements to on-screen bitmap support * Play sounds from web or FTP server * Print files from web or FTP server * DDE Client commands * Faxing with WinFax Pro * Faxing with MAPI * Enhanced support for Word Perfect for UNIX * Print Wizard enhancements, notably forms overlay -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Mon Aug 9 12:59:56 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (jay) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:12 2005 Subject: Security and other issues Message-ID: <37AF090B.8E84994C@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Hello Everybody: I think that i have a handle on this, but I'd appreciate some input anyway: We currently use Ikiosk, Fortress and Surfwatch on our public access workstations. We are moving from Windoze 95 to NT Workstation (thank GOD!), and I am wondering if Ikiosk and Fortress will still be necessary. You see, we are going to use some menu policy program like PAM or WINU to restrict access to desktop and other items. We want: to restrict access to the hard drive; keep them from tampering with Netscape preferences; etc. With NT you can restrict access down to the file level. This would obviously include the files and folders necessary to change Netscape, right? There will also be some applications that we will need to access remotely. I am almost certain that Windows NT Workstation will be up to the task for all of these things in conjuction with PAM or WinU. So, does anyone have any experience using PAM or WinU with Windows NT Workstation? The good, bad, and the ugly...please. Regards, JHF From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 9 14:53:44 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:13 2005 Subject: New List - Perl4Lib Message-ID: >From the latest Scout Report Perl4Lib http://www.vims.edu/perl4lib/ Hosted by the Virginia Institute of Marine Science, this new unmoderated mailing list "is an informal forum for librarians interested in the Perl programming language." It has been established to encourage beginning Perl programmers and provide for an exchange of ideas and programs of interest to librarians. Subscription information is provide at the Website and below. [MD] To subscribe send email to: listproc@vims.edu In the subject line of the message type: subscribe perl4lib YourName -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From dbell at loc.gov Mon Aug 9 15:05:58 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:13 2005 Subject: Announcement of New Collection on American Memory Message-ID: <37AF2696.8ECB730B@loc.gov> Good Afternoon, This announcement is being sent to a number of lists; please accept our apologies for any duplicate announcements. Prosperity and Thrift: The Coolidge Era and the Consumer Economy, 1921-1929, an online compilation made possible with the generous support of Laurance S. and Mary French Rockefeller, assembles a broad array of Library of Congress source materials documenting the prosperity of the Coolidge years, the nation's transition to a mass consumer economy, and the role of government in this transition. The collection materials draw attention on the one hand to business concerns, such as advertising, marketing, merchandising, and industrialization, and on the other to popular notions about responsible consumerism, thriftiness, and efficiency in the home. The collection also focuses on President Coolidge?s idea of government, and on Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover's standardization initiatives. Other materials document groups that could not participate fully in the emergent consumer economy, notably farmers and immigrants. Collection materials suggest connections among some of the key technological developments, government structures, social organizations, and cultural assumptions that worked together to reinforce the mass consumer economy. Among items of special interest are research studies and manuscript materials that document the spending habits of African Americans, the activities of African American businesses, and the northward migration in search of better opportunities. Other notable materials include information on consumer activism; studies of urban and rural women as consumers; selections from the papers of Edward L Bernays, a founding father of public relations; and the diaries of White House physician Joel T. Boone, giving his private view of the Coolidge family. The collection is in a variety of formats and includes nearly 200 selections from twelve collections of personal papers and two collections of institutional papers from the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress; 74 books, pamphlets, and legislative documents from the General Collections, along with selections from 34 consumer and trade journals; over 60 speeches by Coolidge, 8 of which are published here for the first time; 181 photographs from the National Photo Company Collection held by the Prints and Photographs Division; and 5 short films and 7 audio selections of Coolidge speeches from the Motion Picture, Broadcasting, and Recorded Sound Division. The collection is accompanied by an alphabetically arranged guide providing information about prominent individuals, organizations, concepts, and publications of the Coolidge era replete with hyperlink pointers to collection materials. Prosperity and Thrift: The Coolidge Era and the Consumer Economy1921-1929 can be found at the following URL: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/coolhtml/coolhome.html Please send any questions about this collection to NDLPCOLL@loc.gov. From WMinkel at cahners.com Mon Aug 9 16:34:58 1999 From: WMinkel at cahners.com (Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Libraries & MP3 Message-ID: Folks-- I'm interested in tracking down what's happening in libraries regarding Net stations and the MP3 music format. Can users download & listen to MP3 files on library PCs? Do they, & how often? Please respond privately. Thanks, W ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Walter Minkel * Technology Editor, School Library Journal * www.slj.com wminkel@cahners.com * (212) 463-6721 * fax (212) 463-6689 From westra at montana.edu Thu Aug 12 11:47:58 1999 From: westra at montana.edu (Brian Westra) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:16 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Problems with IIS and ColdFusion In-Reply-To: <37B1E318.245525A1@med.unc.edu> Message-ID: Lynn, you may find the information you need by searching the Allaire Knowledge Base (look for article 11773 or search for "performance tuning" at: http://www1.allaire.com/Support/KnowledgeBase/SearchForm.cfm). Part of the problem could be the database you are using. There are known problems with MS Access in a production environment, and with memory leaks. See the following: http://www1.allaire.com/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=1540&Method=Full http://www1.allaire.com/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=1505&Method=Full If this doesn't help, you may also want to search the developer's forum, or post your question there. I've found it to be very helpful: http://forums.allaire.com/devconf/main.cfm? Hope this helps, Brian Westra Assistant Professor/Reference Librarian westra@montana.edu Montana State University Libraries (406)994-5298 P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Lynn Eades wrote: > Hi. We have been experiencing some problems with our Microsoft IIS > server and ColdFusion. Are any of you using ColdFusion? The problem is > ColdFusion is eating virtual memory and shutting down the computer. It > has happened twice and usually is when a ColdFusion request is done. > > If any of you have suggestions for setting up the servers, I would > greatly appreciate your sending them to me. Thank you in advance for > your consideration and time. > > Lynn From mf12 at acsu.buffalo.edu Thu Aug 12 16:24:56 1999 From: mf12 at acsu.buffalo.edu (Marianne Foley) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:16 2005 Subject: Fall '99 Distance Learning Courses Message-ID: ** This message is posted to various listservs. ** ** Please excuse any duplication. ** -------------------------------------------------- The School of Information and Library Studies at the University at Buffalo will again formally offer graduate level courses by Internet Distance Learning during the Fall Semester of 1999 (from August 30 - December 10). Students will be able take the courses: Selection, Acquisition and Management of Non-Book Material and/or Intellectual Freedom in the privacy of their home, office, local library or any location with a computer connected to the Internet. For more information about these courses and registration, visit: http://www.sils.buffalo.edu/faculty/ellison/distance.html ** Persons with questions regarding the above two courses should contact: Dr. John Ellison at ellison@cecomet.net From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 12 16:20:44 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:16 2005 Subject: JOB: HP Information Research Manager Message-ID: Forwarded on behalf of Elizabeth Avellino , please do not reply to me. Roy ------------------------------------------ Job Description Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Research Library seeks an Information Research Manager to direct strategic direction and tactical action plans for the R&D library and the corporate legal library function. The position also includes managing the staff research analysts, defining and leading the implementation of new services and products to meet current and anticipated research needs, and designing plans for appropriate adaptation of applicable technologies. Minimum qualifications: MLS degree, minimum of seven (7) years of directly-related management experience in a comparable environment, superior communication skills. Resumes to: Eugenie Prime, Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Research Library, 1501 Page Mill Road, MS 2L-8, Palo Alto, CA 94304. From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Sun Aug 15 08:10:01 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:20 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Aug 15 Message-ID: <199908151210.IAA00126@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS August 15, 1999 This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. 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Finally, virus warnings should NOT be posted to the list until and unless they have been confirmed by CERT or CIAC . Before forwarding a virus warning to anyone, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the history of virus hoaxes at . IS THERE A LIST FOR INTERNET FILTERING? The subject of filtering software for Internet access is not off topic for Web4Lib. However, it is a subject which is certainly capable of generating enough traffic for its own list, and that list is FILT4LIB. To subscribe, send e-mail to filt4lib@public.ci.escondido.ca.us with the word "subscribe" in the subject field, and nothing in the message field. [As of May 17, 1999, it appears FILT4LIB is defunct. Can anyone confirm this or point to its new location?] This list will be distributed to Web4Lib on the 1st and 15th of each month with the subject "Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List". If your mail client can filter incoming messages based on their subject lines, and if you would rather not see this message again, simply set it to delete or otherwise refile messages with that subject heading. If you think there are questions which should be addressed on this list (especially if you can provide the answer!) please contact Thomas Dowling, tdowling@ohiolink.edu. From dan at 84.com Sun Aug 15 23:21:42 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:36:20 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Directory problems : An addendum In-Reply-To: <37B589F9.19914914@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990815212059.009d4460@dpop.micron.net> At 08:16 AM 8/14/99 -0700, jay wrote: >I wanted to add that that I received an error message when I initially tried >the transfer. The message was: transfer failed; no space left on device. > >Now, I've deleted the entire folder/directory called children. I then >proceeded to make a directory on the Unix server called children, and it >won't let me because of the following error: mkdir failed to make directory >"children"; no space left on device. I'd assume that it means just what it says, and that you have a space problem. Its probably time to contact the ISP or Unix system administrator. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From kirwin at wittenberg.EDU Mon Aug 2 11:30:17 1999 From: kirwin at wittenberg.EDU (Kenneth R Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:20 2005 Subject: creating RTF files on the fly? Message-ID: Hi folks -- Does anyone know of a good way to create RTF files on the fly (e.g. from database output)? Our online ILL form writes to a database that is in turn read by our ILL staff is cgi-generated HTML pages & printed out, but HTML is just a little too wiggly to come out looking just like the regular ILL forms. I'd like to make the formatting a little more consistent. One solution that occured to me is to output as SGML >> DSSSL >> RTF, but (a) that's a little arcane (b) I don't know if i can do it all on the fly. (ie, ILL staff clicks on a web link and up pops the RTF file). I'm hoping someone has a better solution before I try implementing that bulkier one. Thanks, ken [/|\] Ken Irwin -=- kirwin@wittenberg.edu -=- (937) 327-7594 |-+-| Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian [\|/] Thomas Library, Wittenberg University From Terry.Kuny at xist.com Mon Aug 2 11:26:54 1999 From: Terry.Kuny at xist.com (Terry Kuny) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:20 2005 Subject: [FYI] NLA Information Server Metadata Strategy Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990802112654.00b4d600@smtpmail2.nlc-bnc.ca> From: Debbie Campbell Subject: NLA Information Server Metadata Strategy Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:13 +1000 Recently, the National Library of Australia launched two "new" Web sites - a new version of its information server, at http://www.nla.gov.au and MetaMatters, at http://www.nla.gov.au/meta/. On both sites we have implemented our new formal metadata guidelines, based on the Australian Government Locator Service. Please see http://www.nla.gov.au/metadata.html for more details. Debbie -- Debbie Campbell, Metadata Coordinator, Coordination Support Branch National Library of Australia, Canberra, ACT 2601 ph: +61 2 6262 1673; fax: +61 2 6273 2545 mailto:dcampbel@nla.gov.au http://www.nla.gov.au/meta From techman at omni.cc.purdue.edu Mon Aug 2 11:52:16 1999 From: techman at omni.cc.purdue.edu (d scott brandt) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:20 2005 Subject: Flash and Fireworks-worth getting? hard to use? In-Reply-To: <199907311724.KAA06773@webjunction.org> Message-ID: On July 31 Joan Graham wrote: > I've seen postings about Flash and Fireworks. Librarians, are you using > these products? Are they appropriate for library sites? Difficult to > learn? Your opinions and experiences with either program will be much > appreciated. While I agree with most of what Dowling said regarding the use (or misuse) of software like Flash in attempts to simply make sites more attractive or "trendy" looking, I wouldn't agree that "Animation is an express route to user annoyance." Simple animation, maybe. But not animation which does have a purpose. (His point, I take it, is that most doesn't.) Check out: http://www.lib.purdue.edu/~techman/ovidprn.swf While this is just a piece of a work in progress, it does demonstrate some of the potential of Flash for use in things like tutorials. (BTW, the Flash Lessons tutorial which comes with the product focuses on using it primarily for drawing, but I think the interactivity and animation are much more likely to be readily usable.) As for the difficulty of using, I can only comment on the experiences of myself and three colleagues. We found it fairly easy to learn, especially if you jump to the Lesson Plans on animation and making movies. (Start with simple animation to get the concepts down, then check out archive sites like http://www.flashzone.com to download examples you can look at and take apart.) If you are using it to design graphics (i.e., drawing), my only comment is that you have to be good or somewhat facile at art design, otherwise, using the product is similar to many other high end graphics packages. (I just got Flash 4 in the mail, so I'll be able to comment on that in a couple of weeks. I just got back from vacation on Cape Cod and I have a lot of catching up to do before I start teaching classes in mid-August.) Scott D. Scott Brandt Technology Training Librarian Associate Professor Purdue University Libraries From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Mon Aug 2 15:41:03 1999 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:20 2005 Subject: Flash and Fireworks-worth getting? hard to use? In-Reply-To: <199907311724.KAA06804@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990802144103.012f92e0@newton.baruch.cuny.edu> At 10:24 AM 7/31/99 -0700, Joan Graham wrote: >I've seen postings about Flash and Fireworks. Librarians, are you using >these products? >Are they appropriate for library sites? Difficult to learn? Your >opinions and experiences with either program will be much appreciated. DHTML is a set of things including the use of layers and Cascading Style Sheets (CCS). They give you a lot more control over the appearence of your page than plain vanilla HTML. The fly in the ointment is that the two major browsers implement these things differently and not completely. Fireworks is a kind of crazy application that's a mix between an illustration program and an imaging program. It originally entered into our workflow because it gave us greater control in exporting jpegs and gifs than Photoshop. With the integration of ImageReady into the latest release of Photoshop, we may re-evalute this procedure. Flash is an extraordinary program--we're doing our virtual tour in it (with an html alternative, bien sur). It's an animation program principally for vector-based images and fabulous things are being done with it (see ). It definitely has a role in the library and in instruction/education in general since it's far more engaging than static html pages and allows for a much more sophisticated level of interactivity. (Ditto for Shockwave.) The skill set required is somewhat steep which probably explains why these applications aren't more widely used in the field of education. You need to be familiar with vector-based images such as what you might produce in an application like Illustrator or Freehand to make best use of it. It takes some work. It took me about a year before I started feeling comfortable in it. I think the important thing is not to be afraid to try new things. The younger ranks, who are far ahead of us on this one, will appreciate you for it. And, oh yeah, don't forget to stick in the html alternatives for the old codgers. LEO -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Leo Robert Klein 17 Lexington Ave, Box H0520 Web Coordinator & New York, NY. 10010 Digital Resources Developer tel: (212) 802-2373 Newman Library/Baruch College fax: (212) 802-2360 http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu email: Leo_Klein@baruch.cuny.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From ladyhawk at well.com Mon Aug 2 15:39:12 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:20 2005 Subject: electronic statistics! Message-ID: <199908021939.MAA23561@smtp.well.com> Thanks for all of your help: the PLA Tech Note, Electronic Statistics: Counting Crows was posted today. I am currently working on Wireless Networks. Here's the complete list of Tech Notes so far: http://www.pla.org/electronicstats.htm Electronic Statistics: Counting Crows http://www.pla.org/videoconferencing.htm Video Teleconferencing: Here, There, and Everywhere http://www.pla.org/intranet.htm Intranets: The Web Inside http://www.pla.org/metadata.htm Metadata: Always More Than You Think http://www.pla.org/doi.htm DOI: The Persistence of Memory Thanks all! GraceAnne GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial & Web Consulting, New York City ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html To be involved with books is to live at the heart of light. Mary Cantwell From dkirk at winselect.com Mon Aug 2 15:50:05 1999 From: dkirk at winselect.com (Denis F. Kirk) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:21 2005 Subject: Deep Freeze In-Reply-To: <379DD0D0.DC040B10@wfu.edu> Message-ID: <4.1.19990802124238.010ebd60@mail.winselect.com> Rosalind, Hyper Technologies Inc. will be releasing the Deep Freeze software in about 60 days. This is a SOFTWARE ONLY solution. Any and all changes, including formatting the hard drive have no effect. Re-boot and the computer is restored to the original configuration. If you would like more information or would like to help us Beta Test Deep Freeze please email or call me at 1-800-663-8381 x21. Denis Kirk At 08:28 AM 7/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >A couple of weeks ago someone posted information about the hardware >product Centurion Guard, but had not tested it. We tested it last week >for possible use in our computer lab here in the Information Technology >Center. It is a miraculous thing for those of us who have been wrestling >with maintain loads on lab machines. > >You install the hardware piece inside the machine on the floppy cable, >and plug it in to the internal power source (extension cables are >included for both in case you do not have extra slots inside). A locking >device then extends out the back of your machine through one of the >empty slots. > >A simple-to-install software program comes with it (DOS based, but easy >to figure out). > >The joy of this product is that when activated using the lock, >absolutely no changes that are made to the computer stick. When you >reboot, your original settings are restored. We deleted programs, >drivers, even the software that runs the unit and all was restored on >reboot. When it is disabled - again using the lock, you can make >whatever >changes you wish and then reactivate it by turning the key again. > >Anyone out there who struggles with users manipulating your software, >storing files on your machines or loading unwanted software should >really look into this. > >The website is http://www.centuriontech.com/ > >They will send you a test unit if requested before you order for a whole >lab. >-- >_______________________________ >Rosalind Tedford >Information Technology Center Manager >Wake Forest University >Phone: 336-758-5910 >FAX: 336-758-8831 >tedforrl@wfu.edu >http://www.wfu.edu/~tedforrl ____________________________________ Denis F. Kirk Hyper Technologies Inc. 1125 Fir Ave. Phone: 800 663-8381 Blaine, WA 98230 Fax: 604 464-8680 ______________________________________ From zhuy2 at UMDNJ.EDU Wed Aug 4 14:22:56 1999 From: zhuy2 at UMDNJ.EDU (Yini Zhu) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: Printing Control Software Message-ID: <37A88500.5BB82A6B@umdnj.edu> We're trying to implement some sort of printing control system for our public printing situation. We've been contacting UniPrint and XCP's OCS, and would like some input, current experience with these softwares, if anybody has any feedback. Thanks in advance. -- *************************************************************** Yini Zhu, MLS Tel: (973) 972-4700/4876 Microcomputer/Media Center e-mail: zhuy2@umdnj.edu George F. Smith Library UMDNJ - University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey 30 Twelfth Avenue Newark, NJ 07103-2754 *************************************************************** From jrosenhamer at okc.cc.ok.us Wed Aug 4 12:34:03 1999 From: jrosenhamer at okc.cc.ok.us (John Rosenhamer) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Printing Control Software Message-ID: We've been using UniPrint from Pharos for over 2 years now and love it. Works like a charm. Biggest problem is disconnected PC's. Our Students sometimes work "on the machine" and leave it disconnected from the network. Reboot cleans that up. When we have needed support they have been right there. Not only their USA dealers, but also tech services from New Zealand. Get e-mails and phone calls on a regular basis until the problem is cleared up. We had some problems within the first quarter after the setup. They stayed right with us until we found the problem was in the hardware of the NT server. John John H. Rosenhamer Technical Services Librarian Oklahoma City Community College 7777 S. May Ave. Oklahoma City, OK 73159 jrosenhamer@okc.cc.ok.us (405) 682-1611 Ext. 7229 Fax: (405) 682-7585 >>> Yini Zhu 08/04 10:20 AM >>> We're trying to implement some sort of printing control system for our public printing situation. We've been contacting UniPrint and XCP's OCS, and would like some input, current experience with these softwares, if anybody has any feedback. Thanks in advance. -- *************************************************************** Yini Zhu, MLS Tel: (973) 972-4700/4876 Microcomputer/Media Center e-mail: zhuy2@umdnj.edu George F. Smith Library UMDNJ - University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey 30 Twelfth Avenue Newark, NJ 07103-2754 *************************************************************** From absher at sequent.com Wed Aug 4 13:52:07 1999 From: absher at sequent.com (Absher, Linda (absher)) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: Developing Metadata for Intranets-Reply Summaries Message-ID: <0593FCC88F76D2118B4400E029249BD902CE9EBD@wingnut.sequent.com> [Cross posted to DIGLIBNS] Approximately two weeks ago I posted a message looking for libraries that have gone through the process of developing metadata for their intranets, preferably ones that have developed their own subject terms and document type metadata. The message generated enough responses for me to post replies I've received; unfortunately, it's not much, with one exception: Ken Varnun with Ford Motor Company's Research Library writes: >We...did a large project like this last summer. We went through a fairly lengthy iterative process >of building a taxonomy, trying to fit our resources into it, then creating narrower terms where >actual data showed we had too broad a concept, and broader terms where there was nothing to put in. >The original taxonomy was based strongly on how our users looked for information when they walked >into the physical library or e-mailed questions. >We relied on our expertise to develop the rough hierarchy (we ended up with a fairly small thesaurus, >using only about 30 terms), deciding that, for our users needs, it was better to err on the side of >too much information per topic than too little. Experience with our users showed that they tended to >give up if they didn't find something - anything - in the first place they looked. Thus, the >relatively broad subject areas. >Other organizations within Ford who have formal responsibility for organizing the Intranet have much >more detailed thesaurus and metadata taxonomies, which we used as a starting point but did not feel >met our needs. >I think the important thing we learned was to let the way the users want to use the site drive its >organization. The tendency among us librarians here was to create a thorough and carefully designed >thesaurus first, and less to be concerned with the way it would impact our users. I received a few citations for articles about metadata: Doran, Kelly. "Metadata for a Corporate Intranet", Online, Jan/Feb 1999, v. 23, no. 1. pp. 43-50. and Stanek, William Robert. "Meta Tags Target Your Pages", PC Magazine, July 1, 1999, p.253. I also received queries about what we are doing; of particular interest is that we have developed an in-house tool that attaches metadata to all documents published on our intranet. Publishers must run the tool and fill out the metadata fields before publishing documents, otherwise they will not display. A more detailed description will appear in an article in the Sept/Oct 1999 issue of IntraNet Professional We also have a website that has links to handouts, notes and a presentation about our metadata and intranet at http://www.teleport.com/~petlin/onlinenw99/ LInda -- Linda Absher / absher@sequent.com / 503.578.3485 Intranet Librarian / Sequent Computer Systems / Beaverton, OR "The more I read, the more questions I have. Every time I pass a library I get an anxiety attack." --SeaQuest DSV From CharmngDyk at aol.com Wed Aug 4 14:16:58 1999 From: CharmngDyk at aol.com (CharmngDyk@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: Y2K and 486's Message-ID: <52b2e80e.24d9dd9a@aol.com> Hello! i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail From lkleckner at park-ridge.lib.il.us Wed Aug 4 15:09:48 1999 From: lkleckner at park-ridge.lib.il.us (lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's In-Reply-To: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA350000000000012B6E5A@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA3500000000000124AF92@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on them on the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) Larry -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's Hello! i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail From collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us Wed Aug 4 16:07:53 1999 From: collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us (Deanna Collison) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape email and security questions References: Message-ID: <37A89D99.4BFC84BC@uhls.lib.ny.us> Dear Anne, If you enable passwording on each individual's Netscape profile, no one can enter another person's profile and send messages from that profile (unless the person leaves it open). You can enable passwording by going to http://home.netscape.com/communicator/v4.5/passwords/ and follow the instructions on the page. It's easy. This provides good security if everyone is aware of the limitations, i.e. you can't leave your browser open when logged into your profile. We have a default profile that is not passworded on each PC for general use and each persons personal profile is protected by their chosen password. We have a lot of info on using Messenger (Netscape) mail and also for using Navigator on a public Internet PC and I'd be glad to help with more info if needed. Peace, Deanna -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: collisod.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 383 bytes Desc: Card for Deanna Collison Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990804/44eca458/collisod.vcf From mtheobal at ihets.org Wed Aug 4 16:35:21 1999 From: mtheobal at ihets.org (Matthew Theobald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: New site. Message-ID: <37A8A409.CB13BA08@ihets.org> Dear Web4libbers, I wanted to put out one of our redesigned sites as an FYI. This is not a library site but a distance ed site for Indiana Colleges and Universities. See http://www.icn.org Indiana College Network There is a lot of back end functionality we'd like to do to make things easier, but in the meantime we've improved access to the information that was there. We had several hundred people review the site before it went live. However we only received about 30 e-mails. All positive, but as I stated, there are some things on the back end the could be easier. We've used a "bun" metaphor. A top navigation header and a bottom communication footer. We designed for 3.0 browsers on 800x600. We use PHP 3.0 for dynamically driven content. Any criticisms and comments are most certainly welcome. Yours, -Matt From ttripp at inforamp.net Wed Aug 4 23:22:54 1999 From: ttripp at inforamp.net (Tim Tripp) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:22 2005 Subject: Librarians' Resource Centre - New additions for August Message-ID: <37A9038C.C866B856@inforamp.net> Greetings, Gentlefolk, The new resources posted in the last month to the Librarians' Resource Centre are now available at the site. Please visit http://www.sla.org/chapter/ctor/toolbox/resource/ and see what gems have been added. Two new sections have been added to the Site Plan: CURRENT AWARENESS FOUNDATIONS, GRANTS AND PROPOSAL WRITING While you're visiting, please free to sign the Guest Book, and to join the LRC Updates List - which will get you monthly updates, including links to new resources. The LRC is a selective collection of resources compiled to facilitate our informational research and retrieval. Wherever possible meta sites or pathfinder resources are presented. The Librarians' Resource Centre is intended to be a place to start searching. Consulting the LRC is analogous in many ways to consulting a bibliography of bibliographies. On behalf of Margaret Gross, the Toronto Chapter of SLA, and myself, we hope you find the LRC to be a useful resource. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Tripp. Librarian. Work: ttripp@mdrobotics.ca Home: ttripp@inforamp.net ICQ : 38301750 http://www.inforamp.net/~ttripp SLA Toronto Chapter - Now with flavor crystals! http://www.sla.org/chapter/ctor/ ### There is a crack in everything. ### That's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen From Jhamblet at nmu.edu Thu Aug 5 08:21:17 1999 From: Jhamblet at nmu.edu (John Hambleton, Academic Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's In-Reply-To: <52b2e80e.24d9dd9a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990805082117.006bb148@pop.mail.nmu.edu> At 11:15 AM 8/4/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Hello! > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is >there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be >able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail > It may already be Y2K ok. Boot into BIOS and set the bios date to 1/1/2000 if you can. If you can't then maybe you can get a bios upgrade from the bios manufacturer. You could certainly use them as telnet machines only, in any case. If nothing else, just set the bios date BACK 10 years. If Windows95/98 is an issue, check Microsoft's tech website. I believe these are both Y2K compliant with minor issues. I *think* the minor issues are the DOS command.com and winfile.exe programs. Mr. H *************************************************** * John S. Hambleton LMS 6.5.0 * * Olson Library GTO 6.5.0 * * Northern Michigan University CICS 2.x * * Marquette, Michigan 49855 MVS/ESA 4.x * * * * Phone: 906-227-2741 * * E-mail: jhamblet@nmu.edu * *************************************************** * In Flagrante Delicto * *************************************************** From bmazin at mhl.org Thu Aug 5 12:38:45 1999 From: bmazin at mhl.org (bmazin) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: Disabling buttons on Netscape toolbar Message-ID: <001801bedf60$fede7980$240ac90a@mhlnt> We are looking for a way to disable three buttons on the Netscape Navigation toolbar. We use Netscape 4.08 standalone. Anybody know how to do this? Beth Mazin, Assistant Director Memorial Hall Library Elm Square, Andover, MA 01810 Voice: 978-623-8401 x 33 Fax: 978-623-8407 Email: bmazin@mhl.org www.mhl.org From mfraser at tac-atc.ca Thu Aug 5 10:38:27 1999 From: mfraser at tac-atc.ca (mfraser) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: Publishing bks on the Web? Worthwhile? Message-ID: <37A9A1E3.8D264BE6@tac-atc.ca> I"m a librarian for a non profit organization, "The Transportation Association of Canada". Among other things, we publish a good deal of material, and up until now we've only ever published in paper format. However, we're thinking about moving some of our documents to the Web. The idea being that we would create them in html (rather than PDF) and take advantage of the multimedia capabilities of the Web. Like our paper publications, we would charge our customers a fee. Are any of you working in organizations that are making use of the Web in this way? Are you publishing documents only to the Web, or are you publishing in paper as well? If you are publishing in both formats, is much extra effort needed to create both the static (paper document) and the multimedia document (html). Do you find it is worth the extra trouble? Personally, I'm keen very to try out an html version of one of our bestsellers, but I want to establish that the idea isn't overly "leading edge". The fear of our strategy people is that our clientele won't find an online version all that useful compared to paper. Are they right? I'd really appreciate hearing about any of your experiences on this subject. Thanks ======================================================== Morven Fraser, Transportation Association of Canada Library 2323 St. Laurent Blvd., Ottawa ON K1G 4J8 Canada mfraser@tac-atc.ca Tel 613/736-1350 Fax 613/736-1395 ======================================================== From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Aug 5 11:42:09 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's References: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA3500000000000124AF92@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <37A9B0D1.92C800C2@anaheim.lib.ca.us> All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To replicate our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to 12/31/1999 and set the time to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait two minutes. Turn the comptuer on and check the date. If it is Y2K compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s have reported back 1/1/1986. Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for a leap year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. If you want to use them like dumb terminals, a regular telnet connection should suffice. lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on them on > the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. > (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's > > Hello! > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is > there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be > able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Thu Aug 5 12:00:10 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: ESOTERIC LIBRARY FAQs Message-ID: _ESOTERIC LIBRARY FAQs_ I am greatly interested in learning about examples of College or University LIBRARY FAQs that provide answers to commonly-asked or esoteric (or exotic) questions. I am *NOT* particulary interested in those FAQs that provide answers to basic (or advanced) _library instruction_ questions (How do I find a journal at XYZ library?) What is of interest are FAQs that provide significant coverage of questions are commonly-asked, were difficult to answer and/or of a unusual nature (e.g., the Iowa curve).. As Always, Any and All contributions, queries, concerns, questions, etc. are Most Welcome. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Science and Technology Librarian and Bibliographer Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From ykong at kenosha.lib.wi.us Thu Aug 5 05:59:56 1999 From: ykong at kenosha.lib.wi.us (Yi Kong) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's References: <37A9B0D1.92C800C2@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <002101bedf29$45bd7550$328ed5cd@kenosha.lib.wi.us> We use "Biotestfix", freeware from Norton. You can just load it like regular software and it will overwrite the wrong date whenever computer reboot. Yi Kong Kenosha Public Library ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Edelblute To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 4:40 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's > All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To replicate > our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to 12/31/1999 and set the time > to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait two minutes. Turn the comptuer on and > check the date. If it is Y2K compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s have > reported back 1/1/1986. > > Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for a leap > year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. > > If you want to use them like dumb terminals, a regular telnet connection > should suffice. > > lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > > > Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on them on > > the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. > > (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's > > > > Hello! > > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is > > there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be > > able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail > > > > -- > Thomas Edelblute > Anaheim Public Library > > From Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca Thu Aug 5 12:04:17 1999 From: Darryl.Friesen at usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's References: <37A9B0D1.92C800C2@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: <006001bedf5c$2c134c00$e84ae980@usask.ca> > All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To replicate > our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to 12/31/1999 and set the time > to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait two minutes. Turn the comptuer on and > check the date. If it is Y2K compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s have > reported back 1/1/1986. > > Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for a leap > year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. But, do they function properly if the date is manually set to 2000? We have a ton of IBM ValuePoint 486's that fail the rollover test, but will keep the date and time if set properly in the BIOS. So really they're only somewhat non-compliant [they're at least 5 years old so we're ditching them anyway, but that's beside the point :) ] I suspect this is the case for many older machines. If you can spend the time to reset all the clocks after January (and February if they have a leap year problem too) they should work OK. If anyone hasn't already done it, I'd recommend running one of those Y2K software tools to test your PC. Here's a couple. There's undoubtedly more: Y2KTest - SafetyNet Inc. http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000QY H YMARK2000 PC Test - National Software Testing Lab (US) http://www.nstl.com/html/nstl_y2k.html - Darryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen, B.Sc. Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca Programmer/Analyst http://gollum.usask.ca/ Consulting & Development, Computing Services University of Saskatchewan "The Truth Is Out There" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From day at indiana.edu Thu Aug 5 12:12:07 1999 From: day at indiana.edu (Dorothy Day) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's In-Reply-To: <37A9B0D1.92C800C2@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: Has anyone tested any of the inexpensive "Y2K PC hardware fix" add-ins (there's one by that name, among others), or any of the software TSRs designed to compensate for the original bios inadequacies? Most PC mail-order catalogs list one or more, and *if* they work, that would be a low-cost ($20-25) way to extend the life of old hardware you can't afford to replace all at once. On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To > replicate our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to > 12/31/1999 and set the time to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait > two minutes. Turn the comptuer on and check the date. If it is Y2K > compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s have reported back 1/1/1986. > > Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for > a leap year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. > > If you want to use them like dumb terminals, a regular telnet > connection should suffice. > > lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > > > Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on > > them on the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. > > (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's > > > > Hello! > > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is > > there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? > > would i be able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? > > Thanks, Gail ***** Dorothy Day School of Library and Information Science Indiana University day@indiana.edu ***** "He also surfs who only sits and waits." From cliffu at earthlink.net Thu Aug 5 15:20:59 1999 From: cliffu at earthlink.net (Cliff Urr) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: Largest Web Search Coverage? (FAST) In-Reply-To: <001801bedf60$fede7980$240ac90a@mhlnt> Message-ID: <199908051620.JAA06799@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> ...or so is their claim (200 million+ URLs): http://www.alltheweb.com/ "Boston - August 2, 1999 - Fast Search & Transfer ? (FAST?) developers of the industry's most comprehensive search technology for the Internet - today announced FAST Search?, The World's Biggest Search Engine?, located at http://www.alltheweb.com . FAST is the first company to create a search engine with the ultimate goal of searching "All The Web, All The Time?". FAST Search is the result of more than a decade of research into optimizing search algorithms and architectures, a project originally initiated at the Norwegian Institute of Technology in Trondheim. FAST Search currently includes more than 200 million unique URLs in its database, making its catalog almost twice the size of search engine reseller Inktomi? and three to four times bigger than several popular search engines. FAST intends to resell FAST Search to major portals, search engines, ISPs, and content sites." Cliff Urr Dominican College Library 202-529-5300 From tk at kent.edu Thu Aug 5 12:28:54 1999 From: tk at kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Printing Control Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 8-5-99 Ditto to John Rosenhamer's comments from us at Kent State. We're happy with UnipriNT. We're approaching the end of our first year with UnipriNT. We've deployed in about 15 libraries and labs campus-wide. We're upgrading to Pharos v 4 later this month..... Tom Klingler Kent State At 12:33 PM -0400 1999/08/04, John Rosenhamer wrote: >We've been using UniPrint from Pharos for over 2 years now and love it. >Works like a charm. Biggest problem is disconnected PC's. Our Students >sometimes work "on the machine" and leave it disconnected from the >network. Reboot cleans that up. > >When we have needed support they have been right there. Not only their >USA dealers, but also tech services from New Zealand. Get e-mails and >phone calls >on a regular basis until the problem is cleared up. We had some problems >within the first quarter after the setup. They stayed right with us until >we found the problem was in the hardware of the NT server. > >John > >John H. Rosenhamer >Technical Services Librarian >Oklahoma City Community College >7777 S. May Ave. >Oklahoma City, OK 73159 > > jrosenhamer@okc.cc.ok.us >(405) 682-1611 Ext. 7229 > Fax: (405) 682-7585 > > > > > >>>> Yini Zhu 08/04 10:20 AM >>> >We're trying to implement some sort of printing control system for our >public printing situation. We've been contacting UniPrint and XCP's OCS, >and would like some input, current experience with these softwares, if >anybody has any feedback. > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >*************************************************************** > Yini Zhu, MLS Tel: (973) 972-4700/4876 > Microcomputer/Media Center e-mail: zhuy2@umdnj.edu > George F. Smith Library > UMDNJ - University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey > 30 Twelfth Avenue > Newark, NJ 07103-2754 >*************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Head of Systems Libraries & Media Services Kent State University Kent, OH. U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-2962 (x. 18) 330-672-4811 (fax) tk@kent.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message..." From judyr at email.sjsu.edu Thu Aug 5 15:45:16 1999 From: judyr at email.sjsu.edu (Judy Reynolds) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: Windows NT, Netscape and java Message-ID: <37A9E9CC.AC727FB6@email.sjsu.edu> Hi, We have recently migrated many of our public stations to Windows NT. While the server has no difficulty recognizing what java helpers are required to display screens, the terminals running off of that server are floundering. Has anyone else encountered this problem and solved it? Thanks for any suggestions. Judy Reynolds San Jose State Univ. Library From lkleckner at park-ridge.lib.il.us Thu Aug 5 16:01:58 1999 From: lkleckner at park-ridge.lib.il.us (lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's In-Reply-To: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA350000000000012B6E62@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA3500000000000124AF94@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Just because a PC fails the "rollover" test, and many of them do, does not mean that it will not keep correct time and date when manually set. I would think that there are many other reasons for replacing 486's, this doesn't have to be one of them, unless you need an excuse. . . -----Original Message----- From: web4lib@webjunction.org [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Edelblute Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 10:46 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To replicate our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to 12/31/1999 and set the time to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait two minutes. Turn the comptuer on and check the date. If it is Y2K compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s have reported back 1/1/1986. Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for a leap year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. If you want to use them like dumb terminals, a regular telnet connection should suffice. lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on them on > the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. > (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's > > Hello! > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. is > there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i be > able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From jon at net.lut.ac.uk Thu Aug 5 16:30:41 1999 From: jon at net.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's In-Reply-To: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA3500000000000124AF94@citrix.park-ridge.lib.il.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > Just because a PC fails the "rollover" test, and many of them do, does not > mean that it will not keep correct time and date when manually set. I would > think that there are many other reasons for replacing 486's, this doesn't > have to be one of them, unless you need an excuse. . . Especially if the old PC is being used in a scenario where you don't give a fig about what the date/time is set to. We've probably got loads of old PCs on campus who's RTC batteries died years ago but are still fine for capturing data from remote devices, acting as non-quite-as-dumb-as-a-real- dumb-terminal dumb terminals, etc, etc. In some ways Y2K hysteria is good news for some of us as these sorts of machines are often being retired before they otherwise would and can be nabbed by those of us who know that Y2K problems aren't an issue in some applications. Now I'm just looking forward to Windows2000 so that loads of the Pentium machines get retired - they'll run Linux just great... ;-) Tatty bye, Jim'll From ATrupiano at city.newport-beach.ca.us Thu Aug 5 16:33:21 1999 From: ATrupiano at city.newport-beach.ca.us (Trupiano, Anna) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's Message-ID: <010B56ACFB72D111851B0060089829C34E7D87@exchange_lib.city.newport-beach.ca.us> You may have to "manually set" that date/time with every power failure you experience as well. There are many many different versions of BIOSs out there. And I'd be very wary (in fact I am very wary) of these all- conclusive statements. To use a 486 as a telnet computer is fine... but HARDWARE IS an issue. People need to check each and every type (manufacturer name and date) of their computers and determine what needs to happen from there. I've seen 486's not roll-over, be manually set to a date after 2000, and keep that date and increment that date, and even with a simple power flux -- "go back to 1/1/80" -- and the battery is good. > ---------- > From: > lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us[SMTP:lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us] > Reply To: lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's > > Just because a PC fails the "rollover" test, and many of them do, does not > mean that it will not keep correct time and date when manually set. I > would > think that there are many other reasons for replacing 486's, this doesn't > have to be one of them, unless you need an excuse. . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Edelblute > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 10:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Y2K and 486's > > > All of our 486s have failed our Y2K tests and are being replaced. To > replicate > our test, go to a DOS prompt and change the date to 12/31/1999 and set the > time > to 23:58. Turn the computer off and wait two minutes. Turn the comptuer > on > and > check the date. If it is Y2K compliant, it will say 1/1/2000. Our 486s > have > reported back 1/1/1986. > > Before you conclude that it is indeed Y2K compliant, do this again for a > leap > year test to see if it knows February 29, 2000. > > If you want to use them like dumb terminals, a regular telnet connection > should suffice. > > lkleckner@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > > > Old 486's should work just fine, just remember to reset the clock on > them > on > > the 1st, as they most likely won't roll over without help. > > (There is a joke there somewhere...but I'm not touching it) > > > > Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of CharmngDyk@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 1:22 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K and 486's > > > > Hello! > > i was wondering if someone had an answer to a Y2K question. > is > > there any easy way to make an old 486 Y2K compliant (hardware)? would i > be > > able to use the machines as 'dumb terminals'? Thanks, Gail > > > > -- > Thomas Edelblute > Anaheim Public Library > > From bcmayes at hunter.cuny.edu Thu Aug 5 16:46:32 1999 From: bcmayes at hunter.cuny.edu (Byron C. Mayes) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: CGI script to replace a form? In-Reply-To: <71F5B0ADE67DD011AA3500000000000124AF94@citrix.park-ridge.l ib.il.us> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990805162642.00b603c0@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu> Greetings from NYC, We recently obtained an account with NISC for the web version of Child Abuse and Neglect (CA&N). Going to the URL takes one to a login screen (as if you couldn't guess) where one must enter a username and password to gain access. NISC sent me a way to bypass the login procedure in the form of the form HTML code below:
This, obviously, produces a submit button, which is fine for a web page, but not for things like bookmarks and delimited lists which is our preferred method of access to our web-accessible resources. OCLC FirstSearch pointed us to a script that automatically logs one in to that system, so our URL for FS points to that script (on our server) and fits nicely into bookmark files, delimited list HTML code, and e-mail messages. I'd like to do the same for CA&N. My question is this: is it possible to create a CGI script that will pass the above information to the URL in the same way as the form? if anyone has done something like this and is willing to share the script, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks, Byron C. Mayes Prof. Byron C. Mayes Systems Librarian/Asst. Professor Hunter College, City Univ. of New York Library E316 * 695 Park Avenue * New York, New York 10021 bcmayes@hunter.cuny.edu * 212-772-4168 * Fax: 212-772-5113 Listowner, BLACK-IP, Black Information Professionals' Network From pfa at umich.edu Thu Aug 5 16:52:31 1999 From: pfa at umich.edu (P. F. (Pat) Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Largest Web Search Coverage? (FAST) In-Reply-To: <199908051620.JAA06799@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: >..or so is their claim (200 million+ URLs): > >http://www.alltheweb.com/ I recently did a study comparing quality of search results of 52 different search engines for specific test searches. FAST performed *very* well, with the best overall score. However, a word to the wise, do NOT make a typo in their address, unless you want an unpleasant surprise. Pat A. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson 734/763-2953, voice Dentistry Library, Univ. Michigan 734/764-4477, fax 1100 Dental Bldg. 1011 North University Ave. WWW: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/ Ann Arbor, Michigan WWW: http://www.lib.umich.edu/libhome/Dentistry.lib/ 48109-1078 "Where a great library exists, college advantages seem to be multiplied, as by the turning of a kaleidoscope." Anonymous. Princeton Review 3(12) 1874:722. From leita at wenet.net Thu Aug 5 18:36:00 1999 From: leita at wenet.net (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ESOTERIC LIBRARY FAQs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990805153217.00b4f260@mail.wenet.net> I don't know about any academic ones, but in public libraries we call them fugitive fact, tickler, ready reference, etc. files, and here are three we have in the Librarians' Index to the Internet. Fugitive Fact File - http://www.hennepin.lib.mn.us/catalog/fff_public.html Locate hard-to-find and elusive information on thousands of topics using this database. All of the data and resources collected here have been used by library staff to answer reference questions. Results include answer, source, date, and Web site, if pertinent. Since it's maintained and regularly updated by Hennepin County Library (MN) staff, many of the files are Minnesota specific, but there are plenty of answers to questions asked in all libraries. Most libraries maintain a fugitive facts file but not many have put it on-line for world-wide access! Ready Reference Files - http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/ With a database subtitled Tricky-to-Find Information, Santa Cruz Public Library joins the growing list of libraries converting their "fugitive fact" or "tickler" card files to electronic databases. Searchable or browsable, and containing lots that's useful to all, this is definitely the place to start for that elusive California information such as what E Clampus Vitus is, a list of all the state librarians, and what Filoli stands for. Links to pertinent Web sites, when available, are included. Reference Department Rolodex - http://www.ci.clearwater.fl.us/intra/rolodex.html Reference "tickler" or "fugitive facts" file done by the Clearwater Public Library (Florida). Sources and dates of update given. Some information specific to Florida, but enough general information to be useful for browsing or a specific search. Best, Carole At 08:57 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Gerry Mckiernan wrote: > I am greatly interested in learning about examples of College or >University LIBRARY FAQs that provide answers to commonly-asked or esoteric >(or exotic) questions. > > I am *NOT* particulary interested in those FAQs that provide answers > to basic (or advanced) _library instruction_ questions (How do I find a > journal at XYZ library?) What is of interest are FAQs that provide > significant coverage of questions are commonly-asked, were difficult to > answer and/or of a unusual nature (e.g., the Iowa curve).. _____________________________ Carole Leita, leita@wenet.net From glen.davies at cce.ac.nz Thu Aug 5 20:48:48 1999 From: glen.davies at cce.ac.nz (glen.davies@cce.ac.nz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: tools for creating subject specific search engine Message-ID: Hi I would be interested in hearing what tools people are using to create subject specific search engines. I am using Thunderstones free webinator at the moment to run a very small search engine indexing about 15 sites. I would like to expand it but free webinator will only index a maximum of 10,000 docs, so I am wanting to investigate the other options available, preferably in the free, gnu arena. I have tried htdig, swish-e, alkaline, and will also have a look at Combine and Harvest when time permits. Any other options that people are using? Thanks Regards Glen ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Librarian Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz http://lib.cce.ac.nz ************************************************ A man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth (Luke 12:15) ************************************************ From sean at savvysearch.com Fri Aug 6 01:37:02 1999 From: sean at savvysearch.com (sean) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Publishing bks on the Web? Worthwhile? References: <37A9A1E3.8D264BE6@tac-atc.ca> Message-ID: <37AA747E.380BC3F5@savvysearch.com> mfraser wrote: > I"m a librarian for a non profit organization, "The Transportation > Association of Canada". Among other things, we publish a good deal of > material, and up until now we've only ever published in paper format. > However, we're thinking about moving some of our documents to the Web. cool. does your existing audience use the internet? is there a wider potential audience awaiting on the web? will they pay? is your organization funded in part by circulation or purchase of your publications? those might be some quick reality checks, i'm sure you have more... > The idea being that we would create them in html (rather than PDF) and > take advantage of the multimedia capabilities of the Web. Like our > paper publications, we would charge our customers a fee. Are any of > you working in organizations that are making use of the Web in this > way? Are you publishing documents only to the Web, or are you > publishing in paper as well? If you are publishing in both formats, is one nice thing about storing your publications in a markup language is the potential to output to multiple media on-demand. you can author and store content in something like sgml, (la)tex, or maybe xml -- then output to the web (html), email (text), paper (postscript), ebook (pdf) etc. from the same common content repository. > much extra effort needed to create both the static (paper document) and > the multimedia document (html). Do you find it is worth the extra > trouble? if you're storing the content in a format that can output to several destination media, then the trouble to output the content to a chosen format is minimal. your web site might allow customers to purchase printable PDF or postscript content that is personalized on-the-fly to include customer name, rank, serial #. > Personally, I'm keen very to try out an html version of one of our > bestsellers, but I want to establish that the idea isn't overly > "leading edge". The fear of our strategy people is that our clientele noh. hurry up :-) > won't find an online version all that useful compared to paper. Are > they right? I'd really appreciate hearing about any of your experiences > on this subject. depends on the content, don't you think? a clever editor from new riders press gave me his $.02 on the ebook: Why are they starting with the classics? (well, it may have to do with copyright but the point is people don't want their leisure reading devoted to a little 5'' lcd box) for work-related and professional publications, readers may prefer to get their reference material, software documentation, contracts, long boring reports, etc. online - to facilitate searching, searching across multiple publications, and re-purposing (cut-and-paste) content as appropriate. there was some old research devoted to on-screen vs. on-paper reading behaviour mentioned when i was a library student. iirc this was conducted when a cutting edge CRT used 80x40 black characters on a white background, before the days of high-resolution displays with aliased fonts, etc. -- would be very interested if someone with access to that sort of research can bring me & web4lib up to speed on it. hope your e-publishing project is a great success! --sean :-) -- mailto:sean@savvysearch.com sean dreilinger, mlis http://www.savvysearch.com http://durak.org/sean From avirr at lanminds.com Fri Aug 6 02:00:40 1999 From: avirr at lanminds.com (Avi Rappoport) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:23 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] tools for creating subject specific search engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For free large search engines, it's hard to go wrong with ht://Dig. I've seen posts from people with humongous indexes, in the 2 GB range, and the speed still seems OK. It's got a great group of developers and is very much a successful open source effort. For more info, try . For more info on available site, intranet and portal search engines, see my pages at . Avi At 5:48 PM -0700 8/5/1999, glen.davies@cce.ac.nz wrote: >Hi > >I would be interested in hearing what tools people are using to >create subject specific search engines. >I am using Thunderstones free webinator at the moment to run a >very small search engine indexing about 15 sites. I would like to >expand it but free webinator will only index a maximum of 10,000 >docs, so I am wanting to investigate the other options available, >preferably in the free, gnu arena. > >I have tried htdig, swish-e, alkaline, and will also have a look at >Combine and Harvest when time permits. Any other options that >people are using? > >Thanks >Regards >Glen ________________________________________________________________ Avi Rappoport, Search Tools Maven: Guide to Site Indexing and Local Search Engines: From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sat Aug 7 15:49:53 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:24 2005 Subject: Ramification Issues of Embedded Multimedia E-Journals Message-ID: _Ramification Issues of Embedded Multimedia E-Journals_ Over the next several weeks I will be considering and researching the issues relating to the ramifications / consequences / requirements of embedded multimedia in electronic journals for libraries and institutions. I have sketched the following outline of these issues and would very much appreciate my colleague's review of these as well as suggestions for other issues not included. I. TECHNICAL Installation of Plug-Ins Maintenance Retrieval / Access Downloading II. FINANCIAL Equipment (e.g. multimedia workstations) Cost Labor Time III. PROFESSIONAL Cataloging (e.g. cataloging of multimedia edition vs. non-multimedia edition of journal) Reference (e.g., user-assistance /interpretation) IV. COOPERATIVE Interlibrary Loan (e.g. 'document' delivery of multimedia e-article) V. PREPARATION / PRODUCTION Author training and skills Institutional infra-structure Publisher capability VI. ARCHIVAL Technical Financial Management I would also appreciate citations to *any* and *all* literature that address these issues in a general sense, i.e. the management, etc. of conventional multimedia applications in libraries. This outline as well as relevant literature will be used to prepare two articles for submission this Fall, and will complement M-Bed(sm) my recently-established registry of embedded multimedia e-journals available at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/M-Bed.htm As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, queries, critiques, are Most Welcome. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu "Words still have ... primacy, but they can be illuminated by images and moving pictures and by numbers and by sounds." Tom Wilson / "In the Beginning Was the Word ..." ELVIRA2: 1 From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Sat Aug 7 17:41:55 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:24 2005 Subject: Multimedia Workstations / WebPACs Message-ID: _Multimedia Workstations / WebPACs_ I am greatly interested in learning about the current state-of-installation of Multimedia Workstations / Multimedia OPACs in academic and research libraries that allow users to fully utilize the adjunct auditory, visual, and interactive components that are now commonplace on many Web sites and which are quickly becoming part of electronic publications. It is my uninformed belief [:->] that most academic and research libraries have yet to **integrate**Multimedia Workstations / Multimedia WebPACs within their general Reference arenas and/or online catalog sites but instead locate these in dedicated Media spaces, or at best, in special application rooms. I am aware of a few exceptions from ERIC and Library Literature search and am interested not only in current installations but those that may be on the Drawing Board. As Always, Any and All contributions, comments, queries, questions, critiques, etc. etc. are Most Welcome. Regards, /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From skelsey at lsu.edu Tue Aug 10 08:32:59 1999 From: skelsey at lsu.edu (skelsey@lsu.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: RealPage Message-ID: <862567C9.0044F0C1.00@mail081.lsu.edu> I am curious about what some of the Web4Lib subscribers think about RealPage- a format through which some of OCLC's ECO journals are exclusively available: - why are they only available this way? - is RealPage going to become as common as Adobe Acrobat Viewer - what are the advantages/ disadvantages? - should I download RealPage on our LAN? I haven't even used it yet, but I would like to see some input from those who have. thanks, Sigrid Kelsey Louisiana State University From kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Tue Aug 10 09:09:41 1999 From: kwheeler at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (Kathy P. Wheeler) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RealPage In-Reply-To: <862567C9.0044F0C1.00@mail081.lsu.edu> Message-ID: I downloaded it but I never used it because Catchword (the company that makes RealPage) just recently decided to also offer their journals (for us that was Routledge, Carfax and Taylor & Francis) in pdf format also. This was easier for us because it meant we didn't have to provide another program on our public workstations. Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu Electronic Services Librarian University Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 skelsey@lsu.edu wrote: > I am curious about what some of the Web4Lib subscribers think about RealPage- a > format through which some of OCLC's ECO journals are exclusively available: > > - why are they only available this way? > - is RealPage going to become as common as Adobe Acrobat Viewer > - what are the advantages/ disadvantages? > - should I download RealPage on our LAN? > > I haven't even used it yet, but I would like to see some input from those who > have. > > thanks, > Sigrid Kelsey > Louisiana State University > > > From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Aug 10 09:17:15 1999 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: RealPage References: Message-ID: <006b01bee332$aa40dc80$0d9882d1@rcls.org> If you haven't heard of this before (like me, until a minute ago!), the URL is: http://www.catchword.com/software.htm Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy P. Wheeler To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 9:05 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: RealPage > I downloaded it but I never used it because Catchword (the company that > makes RealPage) just recently decided to also offer their journals (for > us that was Routledge, Carfax and Taylor & Francis) in pdf format also. > This was easier for us because it meant we didn't have to provide another > program on our public workstations. > > > Kathy Wheeler e-mail: kwheeler@jaguar1.usouthal.edu > Electronic Services Librarian > University Library > University of South Alabama > Mobile, AL 36688 > homepage: http://library.southalabama.edu > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 skelsey@lsu.edu wrote: > > > I am curious about what some of the Web4Lib subscribers think about RealPage- a > > format through which some of OCLC's ECO journals are exclusively available: > > > > - why are they only available this way? > > - is RealPage going to become as common as Adobe Acrobat Viewer > > - what are the advantages/ disadvantages? > > - should I download RealPage on our LAN? > > > > I haven't even used it yet, but I would like to see some input from those who > > have. > > > > thanks, > > Sigrid Kelsey > > Louisiana State University > > > > > > From donaldb at library.tmc.edu Tue Aug 10 11:43:59 1999 From: donaldb at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: RealPage Message-ID: <000c01bee347$29f5a460$a71e44c0@lib167.library.tmc.edu> Last year, Taylor and Francis, which publishes several medical journals, announced that its online journals would be available only in RealPage format. A lot of medical librarians, including me, screamed bloody murder. We didn't want to have to deal with another product that did almost the same thing as AAR and only added another layer of confusion for our users. T&F backed down and made their publications available in both RealPage and .pdf formats. For my money, there isn't much difference between Adobe Acrobat Reader and RealPage. I suppose some purist out there will argue that RealPage is superior, but there is something to be said for that fact that a lot of people already have AAR on their computers, that they use it sucessfully, and that it does the job for them. Donald A. Barclay Houston Academy of Medicine- always the beautiful answer Texas Medical Center Library who asks the more beautiful question donaldb@library.tmc.edu -- e. e. cummings From cybers at cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu Tue Aug 10 12:36:27 1999 From: cybers at cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Angela Evette Weaver) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: Reference Librarians' Personal Websites Message-ID: I am working on an article about personal websites created by Reference librarians and how those sites fit into their work activities. I would really appreciate if anyone maintaining a personal site would fill out a brief survey about their site or e-mail me with questions. None of the site URLs will appear in the article and only summaries of information found and responses given will be included. Thank you. SURVEY 1. URL of site: 2. Date of creation: 3. Related to collection development or bibliographic subject areas?: 4. Interactions with visitors (i.e. do you answer questions about the site's subject area or field of study?): 5. Problems associated with maintaining site: 6. Do you consider the site part of your professional/career-related duties and why?: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Angela Weaver Library Instruction Coordinator "That is not it at all, Theatre Bibliographer That is not what I meant, at all." Reference Department JD Williams Library -- T.S. Eliot University of Mississippi "The Love Song of University, MS 38677 J. Alfred Prufrock" 601-232-1158 cybers@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu cybers@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Tue Aug 10 15:06:06 1999 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: RealPage In-Reply-To: <199908101702.KAA16011@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990810140606.01300180@newton.baruch.cuny.edu> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 Donald Barclay wrote: >Last year, Taylor and Francis, which publishes several medical journals, >announced that its online journals would be available only in RealPage >format. A lot of medical librarians, including me, screamed bloody murder. Ebsco did/does the same thing on a few of their journals available through Ebscoline. We had a women from Ebsco doing a demo here about six months ago. Apparently she didn't think it was a big deal to require the use of RealPage though we were of a contrary opinion. PDF is so widespread. It's a very hard case indeed to go with an alternative. We decided not to install the plug in on our public terminals. Instead we provide a link for users to download it for their personal use. LEO -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Leo Robert Klein 17 Lexington Ave, Box H0520 Web Coordinator & New York, NY. 10010 Digital Resources Developer tel: (212) 802-2373 Newman Library/Baruch College fax: (212) 802-2360 http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu email: Leo_Klein@baruch.cuny.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From AAlbanese at cahners.com Tue Aug 10 14:42:18 1999 From: AAlbanese at cahners.com (Albanese, Andrew (Cahners-NYC)) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: Headlines from the August 10rd edition of the Library Journal Aca demic NewswireT Message-ID: Headlines from the August 10rd edition of the Library Journal Academic Newswire(tm) --New joint library discussed in Omaha --UCSD names new university librarian --ARL endorses E-Bioscience --Digital South Asia Library gets $1M joint grant --Boston College partners with Irish library --Alum donates $1.5M collection to Florida junior college library --U. of South Carolina wins library grant The newswire also includes sections on people and jobs. For information or to subscribe to the Newswire, please go to http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/newswire/newswire.html From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Tue Aug 10 16:14:34 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (jay) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Menu Builders and Windows NT Workstation References: <37AF090B.8E84994C@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> Message-ID: <37B0882A.926964DB@ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us> > Hello Everybody: I didn't get the response that I wanted with the last post, so now I am going to do it again in a slightly different form: > I think that i have a handle on this, but I'd appreciate some input > anyway: > > We currently use Ikiosk, Fortress and Surfwatch on our public access > workstations. > > We are moving from Windoze 95 to NT Workstation (thank GOD!), and I am > wondering if Ikiosk and Fortress will still be necessary. You see, we > are going to use some menu policy program like PAM or WINU to restrict > access to desktop and other items. > > We want: > > to restrict access to the hard drive; keep them from tampering with > Netscape preferences; etc. > > With NT you can restrict access down to the file level. This would > obviously include the files and folders necessary to change Netscape, > right? There will also be some applications that we will need to access > remotely. I am almost certain that Windows NT Workstation will be up to > the task for all of these things in conjuction with PAM or WinU. > > So, does anyone have any experience using PAM or WinU with Windows NT > Workstation? The good, bad, and the ugly...please. > > Regards, > > JHF From burkejo at ucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu Tue Aug 10 16:44:53 1999 From: burkejo at ucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu (John Burke) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:25 2005 Subject: IE5 and IKiosk Message-ID: <199908102052.NAA06425@library.berkeley.edu> After many fine years of using IKIOSK on our public workstations I have encountered a problem. I have successfully locked down Netscape 3.X and 4.0X with IKIOSK 2.04, but now I am using it with IE5. While everything is good and locked down, here's the problem: whenever a user clicks on the first drop-down menu on a page (not the second, third, or fourth, but only the first), IKIOSK kicks up an "IKIOSK disabled" box that will not die. Clicking on OK only brings up another box. This will prove disastrous come fall, since our WebPAC and many of our periodical databases use drop-down menus extensively. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any advice you have would be great, except if you tell me to: a) not use IE5, b) buy something else. I'd prefer to get this to work with IKIOSK or, failing that, to get other advice on free ways to restrict IE5. I appreciate your help, which this list has given me on countless occasions. Thanks! John John J. Burke, MSLS | Systems/Public Services Librarian University of Cincinnati - Raymond Walters College Library john.burke@uc.edu | http://www.rwc.uc.edu/burke _IntroNet: A Beginner's Guide to Searching the Internet_. See www.neal-schuman.com to learn more and order! From beades at med.unc.edu Fri Aug 13 08:39:33 1999 From: beades at med.unc.edu (Lynn Eades) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: Thank you! (RE: problems with IIS and ColdFusion) Message-ID: <37B41204.36252DA@med.unc.edu> I wanted to take this opportunity to thank all of you who sent in solutions to my IIS/ColdFusion problem. The majority of you felt that by upgrading to ColdFusion 4.0.1 and MDAC 2.1 sp2, the problem would solved. I also followed many of the knowledge base solutions from Allaire. We have been running smoothly ever since. Thank you again for all your help. I greatly appreciate it =) Lynn -- B. Lynn Eades Distributed Learning Librarian/WebManager Health Sciences Library CB# 7585 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7585 Phone: (919) 966-8012 Email: beades@med.unc.edu From astout at tsl.state.tx.us Fri Aug 13 11:05:08 1999 From: astout at tsl.state.tx.us (Amy Stout) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: integrated courseware for tutorials Message-ID: <15EE7D2CFB19D311835600805F9A905606AF20@Exchange.tsl.state.tx.us> Greetings! I am evaluating integrated web-based distance learning software, for example WebCT, ToolBook, Blackboard... and I'm interested in feedback from people on the list. Many of these tools are designed for semester-style courses, but I'm developing stand-alone tutorials that will be available over the web. I need a product that is easy to use from the developer's point of view, as people in our division with little HTML experience will be designing their own classes using the software we choose. Thanks, Amy Amy Stout Distance Learning Consultant Library Development Division Texas State Library and Archives Commission PO Box 12927 Austin, Texas 78711-2927 512-936-2586 512-463-8800 (fax) amy.stout@tsl.state.tx.us http://www.tsl.state.tx.us From mcfal#mk at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us Fri Aug 13 11:56:46 1999 From: mcfal#mk at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us (Mairi Mc Fall) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: Library Automation position Message-ID: <003101bee5a4$724f27e0$27bfe9d1@kerla> Please excuse the any cross posting you may encounter. Any one with questions about the position can contact me. Mairi Mc Fall Oakland Public Library mcfal#mk@oaklandlibrary.org 510-238-2370 The Oakland Public Library is in process of hiring a Senior Librarian in Automation. Classification: Senior Librarian Salary $22.01 - $27.02 per hour, 37.4 hours a week. The closing date for applications is September 10, 1999 Minimum Qualification: Two years experience as a Librarian II or equivalent, including one year of supervisory experience and a Masters Degree in Library Science The Automation Section of the Oakland Public Library is an exciting place to work, with 3 full-time staff, one half time staff member and two student interns in Computer Science that will start in September. There are many exciting projects on the horizon, including upgrading our WAN to frame-relay, installing a new server, and being the transition from terminals to PCs. Duties include: Supervising the setup, installation and maintenance of PCs in the Library. Operating systems include Windows 98 and NT, with a few 3.1 and 95. The incumbent will also assist in the setup of the frame-relay WAN as well as supervise the administration and maintenance once it's setup. This position also supervises the Circulation section of the Main Library and serves on various committees related to Automation/Circulation. There are also two positions as Branch Managers, one that requires Asian Language skills. The Oakland Public Library was founded in 1878, is an urban library system which incorporates a main library, fifteen branches (including two major language branches with carry collections in Spanish and Asian Languages), a book mobile, an adult literacy program, after school homework assistance center and the African American Museum and Library at Oakland. The community it serves is culturally, racially, ethnically and economically diverse. The Department of Library Services operates under the Life Enrichment Agency. To apply, you must fill out a City of Oakland Application and the supplemental questions for Senior Librarian. They are available from Office of Personnel Resource Management 150 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza, 2nd Floor Oakland, CA 94612-2019 510-238-3526 or online at www.oaklandnet.com From jrosenhamer at okc.cc.ok.us Fri Aug 13 15:10:19 1999 From: jrosenhamer at okc.cc.ok.us (John Rosenhamer) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Fall '99 Distance Learning Courses Message-ID: Have a question, somewhat up Web4lib's ally. One of our faculty has a daughter with children in a private school in South Texas. She has agreed to chair a library committee. She is looking for grant information. He ask me to try find some of this kind of information. Would you know of either: 1) some internet sites which have this type of information for elementary schools 2) someone in Texas she may be able to contact? Thanks, John Am crosposting to other library lists. Sorry for the inconvience. John H. Rosenhamer Technical Services Librarian Oklahoma City Community College 7777 S. May Ave. Oklahoma City, OK 73159 jrosenhamer@okc.cc.ok.us (405) 682-1611 Ext. 7229 Fax: (405) 682-7585 From wbabcock at citrus.ucr.edu Fri Aug 13 15:17:50 1999 From: wbabcock at citrus.ucr.edu (Wally Babcock) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: SEARCH EXTENDED: UCR, CA - Head, Information Services (Science Reference) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990813121750.008753e0@citrus.ucr.edu> Head, Information Services and Bibliographer for the Sciences University of California, Riverside Associate Librarian - Librarian Appointment Range: $39,456 - $60,636 SEARCH EXTENDED Position Description: The University Library welcomes applications for a department-head level position in the Science Library. This position, currently titled Head of Information Services and Bibliographer for the Sciences, requires a creative librarian capable of providing leadership in a time of dynamic growth and change. This position is responsible for the operations, collections, and staff of the Information Services Department in the Science Library, supervising 7 librarians and the Map Collection staff. As Head of Information Services, this position plans and promotes responsive reference service such as traditional and electronic library information programs, reference desk service, research assistance, and user instruction to a diverse population of faculty, staff, students, and off-campus library users. As Bibliographer for the Sciences, this position is responsible for evaluating and strengthening the collection for 24 departments and inter-disciplinary programs in the physical and life sciences, engineering, and agriculture; for monitoring the science collection development budget; for promoting faculty participation; and for coordinating the activities of science selectors in conjunction with the Library's Collection Development Department. The new Science Library, which opened in August, 1998 includes 1,500 reader stations, an NT-based computer network, 30 group study rooms, fully-equipped library instruction rooms, and a capacity for 600,000 volumes. Science collections currently number over 450,000 volumes and 3,000 current serial titles. The Map Collection includes over 100,000 sheet maps, atlases, and electronic cartographic information such as GIS. Library Environment: The UCR Library is a member of the Association of Research Libraries. Its collections include 1.8 million volumes and 12,500 current serials housed in four libraries: the Music Library; the Media Library; the Tomas Rivera Library (serving the College of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences, the School of Education, and the Graduate School of Management); and the Science Library (serving primarily the College of Natural and Agricultural Sciences and the College of Engineering). The UCR Library provides electronic access to information through the Library's Homepage (http://library.ucr.edu); the nine-campus California Digital Library System (which includes MELVYL); SCOTTY, the UCR Library Catalog; CD-ROMs; and the award-winning web search engine INFOMINE. Campus and Community Environment: Located 60 miles east of Los Angeles and 50 miles west of Palm Springs, the 1200-acre park-like campus is experiencing rapid growth under a vigorous campus administration committed to library excellence. Over 500 faculty members teach and advise UCR's student body of over 10,000 undergraduate, graduate, and professional students. UCR is a land grant campus, and its many specialized centers and institutes such as the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, CE-CERT (College of Engineering Center for Environmental Research and Technology), and the Statewide Air Pollution Research Center contribute to a dynamic scientific and research environment. The City of Riverside (pop. 242,000) and the surrounding communities of Southern California offer a variety of cultural, intellectual, and recreational activities. The community has always enthusiastically supported and encouraged the growth and development of the campus. Riverside enjoys a moderate cost of living and offers one of the best housing values in California. Qualifications: Graduate library degree; degree in a scientific or engineering discipline highly desirable; minimum of four years progressively responsible experience in reference services and collection development in an academic, special or public library with significant holdings in the sciences and engineering. Extensive experience with print and electronic information sources and services; strong grasp of the current state of information technology; understanding of the information needs of scientists and the current trends and issues in scientific publishing and communication. Supervisory experience and demonstrated achievement in organizational leadership including the ability to manage change positively. Appointment: The successful candidate will be appointed to the Librarian Series at the salary level appropriate to the candidate's qualifications and experience. Librarians are academic appointees and accrue vacation at the rate of two days per month and sick leave at the rate of one day per month. The University offers a broad range of benefits and an excellent retirement program. The University of California is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. For further information or to arrange an informal visit, feel free to contact John Tanno at (909) 787-3221 or john.tanno@ucr.edu. Applications: The position is open until filled. To ensure consideration, send a letter of application, a complete resume, and the names of three references by October 17, 1999 to: John W. Tanno, Associate University Librarian, University of California, University Library, P.O. Box 5900, Riverside, CA 92517-5900. From mtheobal at ihets.org Fri Aug 13 15:43:23 1999 From: mtheobal at ihets.org (Matthew Theobald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Fall '99 Distance Learning Courses References: Message-ID: <37B4755B.9D486A12@ihets.org> All, Late entry in this string, but the Indiana College Network lists two courses in SLIS via distance ed in the course database. see http://www.icn.org/courses/databaseofcourses.html Select Library and Information Science, Fall, 99 to view. Cordially, -Matt From bberg at juneau.lib.ak.us Fri Aug 13 16:29:40 1999 From: bberg at juneau.lib.ak.us (Barbara Berg) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Fall '99 Distance Learning Courses Message-ID: <550B78704DE1D211AAD50090274EA0C805DF69@junexch1.juneau.lib.ak.us> You may want to look at the Foundation Center website: http://fdncenter.org/ , the Grantsmanship Center: http://www.tgci.com, and at the Internet Prospector: http://w3.uwyo.edu/~prospect/found.html . All are good starting places for grants information. Oklahoma City University is a cooperating collection of the Foundation Center. They should have guides to education funding available for you to use. Depending on where the school is in South Texas, it may be near another Foundation Center cooperating collection which should also provide local grant information. Barbara G. Berg Electronic Services Librarian Juneau Public Library and Webmaster, The Capital City Home Page http://www.juneau.lib.ak.us/ -----Original Message----- From: John Rosenhamer [mailto:jrosenhamer@okc.cc.ok.us] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Fall '99 Distance Learning Courses Have a question, somewhat up Web4lib's ally. One of our faculty has a daughter with children in a private school in South Texas. She has agreed to chair a library committee. She is looking for grant information. He ask me to try find some of this kind of information. Would you know of either: 1) some internet sites which have this type of information for elementary schools 2) someone in Texas she may be able to contact? Thanks, John Am crosposting to other library lists. Sorry for the inconvience. John H. Rosenhamer Technical Services Librarian Oklahoma City Community College 7777 S. May Ave. Oklahoma City, OK 73159 jrosenhamer@okc.cc.ok.us (405) 682-1611 Ext. 7229 Fax: (405) 682-7585 From wbabcock at citrus.ucr.edu Fri Aug 13 21:44:43 1999 From: wbabcock at citrus.ucr.edu (Wally Babcock) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:26 2005 Subject: Organizational issues in website maintenance Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990813184443.008239b0@citrus.ucr.edu> Folks, I've done some searching of the web4lib archives and my accumulated messages from the list, and haven't found very much discussion of the organizational approaches (and issues) involved in library website maintenance. It seems pertinent to me, so I'm going toss out a few questions to give you an idea of the sort of issues I'm interested in. Others may well surface during the discussion. (I'll have limited email access for the next two weeks, but will be glad to eventually summarize results if there is sufficient discussion/interest.) 1. How many people are involved in maintaining the content for your library's website (or sites)? How would you categorize the types of involvement various people have? How many actually maintain web pages (nitty gritty coding)? What sort of staff training did you do, if any? 2. How many, and what kinds of committees are involved? 3. How have you maintained accountability/oversight/quality? Is responsibility for maintenance of all pages clear? Are effective mechanisms in place to make sure your content is accurate and up to date? In short: 4. What organizational approaches have you tried that worked? 5. What approaches didn't work? War stories welcome. If you wish, send "off the record" comments directly to me and I will not quote or paraphrase without asking permission first. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Wally ====================================================================== Wally Babcock Reference/Computer Services Librarian & Library Webmaster Rivera Library, UC Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 Voice: (909) 787-5121 Fax: (909) 787-3285 [Attn: Rivera Reference] Email: wbabcock@citrus.ucr.edu From transit at primenet.com Mon Aug 16 12:40:06 1999 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:27 2005 Subject: Article on search engines . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/indepth/docs/search081699.htm (The gist: Search engine operators are concentrating less on improving the quality of searches and more on selling ads . . .) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu Mon Aug 16 15:05:11 1999 From: leo_klein at baruch.cuny.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:27 2005 Subject: Article on search engines In-Reply-To: <199908161705.KAA28249@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990816140511.01307670@newton.baruch.cuny.edu> On 8/16/99 -0700, Charles P. Hobbs wrote: >(The gist: Search engine operators are concentrating less on improving the >quality of searches and more on selling ads . . .) The article also includes information on how search results are weighted by fees paid to the search engine operators. Imagine running an opac like that? Sounds like job insurance for librarians :-). LEO -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Leo Robert Klein 17 Lexington Ave, Box H0520 Web Coordinator & New York, NY. 10010 Digital Resources Developer tel: (212) 802-2373 Newman Library/Baruch College fax: (212) 802-2360 http://newman.baruch.cuny.edu email: Leo_Klein@baruch.cuny.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From mstover at mail.sdsu.edu Mon Aug 16 15:29:40 1999 From: mstover at mail.sdsu.edu (Mark Stover) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Article on search engines . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990816141455.00985500@mail.sdsu.edu> The commercialization and "portalization" of the Internet search engines doesn't necessarily lead to degraded search capabilities, even though we may be experiencing a temporary backsliding at the moment. When I think back to the Internet before it was commercialized, I remember search tools like Veronica and Archie. Even with distractions like banner ads (which admitedly can be deceiving sometimes), I'll take Infoseek and Alta Vista any day over pre-commercialization Veronica. This is not to say that we shouldn't criticize the search engines or be aware of their money-seeking agendas. But on the other hand we shouldn't make out big business to be the great bogeyman of the Web (as some critics sometimes do, although to be fair this particular article was relatively balanced reporting). Mark Stover > >http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/indepth/docs/search081699.htm > >(The gist: Search engine operators are concentrating less on improving the >quality of searches and more on selling ads . . .) > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Stover, M.L.S., Ph.D. Psychology and Behavioral Sciences Librarian San Diego State University Library 5500 Campanile Drive San Diego, CA 92182-8050 Voice: (619) 594-2131 Fax: (619) 594-3270 Email: mstover@mail.sdsu.edu Author of Leading the Wired Organization (Neal-Schuman, 1999) http://ilearncommunity.com/book.htm From dan at 84.com Mon Aug 16 17:21:04 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:27 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Article on search engines . . . In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990816141455.00985500@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990816152008.00ae8640@dpop.micron.net> At 12:25 PM 8/16/99 -0700, Mark Stover wrote: > This is not to say that we >shouldn't criticize the search engines or be aware of their money-seeking >agendas. But on the other hand we shouldn't make out big business to be >the great bogeyman of the Web In fact, if it weren't for the various search engines, we'd all be sitting around trying to develop one ourselves, figuring out where we'd get the money to finance the hardware, and so forth. Yahoo could start out on a desktop....but that was long ago and far away. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From J.LeDuc at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Mon Aug 16 17:46:57 1999 From: J.LeDuc at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (LeDuc, Jason) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:27 2005 Subject: Job: Web Producer, Brooklyn Public Library Message-ID: <35AB7700E4E5D21186A300A0C9B6B2BF151915@BPLWIRED3> Please post the following job advertisement on your site. Feel free to distribute this listing as widely as possible to other interested people or organizations. Thank you. WEB PRODUCER Brooklyn Public Library is seeking a Web Producer who is a creative thinker and innovator to act as principal architect and strategist, writer and editor to promote the Library as a major cultural and educational institution. Position is responsible for producing the interactive content of its state-of-the-art web site which experiences over 8,000 visits daily. Also manages Web Committee and evaluates effectiveness of the web site. Bachelor's degree and 3-5 years' experience in current and emerging web technologies and marketplace trends. Thorough knowledge of e-commerce, Internet and HTML, as well as familiarity with pertinent programs and software such as PhotoShop and JavaScript--library web applications a plus. Proven ability to identify and incorporate new technologies and maintain knowledge of legal issues. Excellent management, interpersonal, organizational and communication skills. Send resume with cover letter and salary requirements by August 30, 1999 to: Brooklyn Public Library Human Resources Grand Army Plaza Brooklyn, NY 11238 e-mail: job2018@brooklynpubliclibrary.org Fax: (718) 230-6743 From SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 17 02:43:40 1999 From: SteveGilheany at worldnet.att.net (Stephen J. Gilheany) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:28 2005 Subject: 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging and Document Management, Fall 1999 Message-ID: <19990817071015.WVUA15884@end-user> .. ***** 3 Day UCLA Extension Course in Document Imaging and Document Management, Fall 1999 ***** .. For those persons who cannot attend the class, most of the class materials are available free at http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com/abpapers.html At UCLA, Three days, Fall 1999: Thursday, September 30, 1:00 PM to 9:00 PM, Friday, October 1, 10:00 AM to 8:00 PM, and Saturday, October 2, 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM, 1999. $395. 2.1 CEU (Continuing Education Units 814.14 Reg # D7804U +1 (310) 825-9971 to register by phone. The UCLA Extension catalog is at http://www.UnEx.UCLA.edu/catalog/ (Use "Document Imaging Document Management" as the search keyword) This course is for managers who have been assigned to manage a document imaging system or digital library, and must start immediately. Students will gain an understanding of how document imaging can be used and managed in both small and large scale organizations. Document imaging is the process of taking documents out of file cabinets, and off shelves, and storing them in a computer. This course provides an understanding of the details that there is often no time to review in the rush to implement a system. Students will learn about the technology of scanning, importing, transmitting, organizing, indexing, storing, protecting, locating, retrieving, viewing, printing, and preserving documents for document imaging systems and digital libraries. Image and document formats, metadata, multimedia, rich text, PDF (Portable Document Format), GIS (Geographic Information Systems), CAD (Computer Aided Design), virtual reality indices, and image enabled databases will be discussed. System design issues in hardware, software, ergonomics, and workflow will be covered. Emerging technologies such as the DVD Digital Video Disk and very high speed Internet, intranet, and extranet links and protocols will be discussed. The course will include the DVD's role in completing the merging to the PC and television, the merging of telephony, cable, and the Internet, the merging of home and office, the merging of business and entertainment, and the management of the resulting document types. Many professionals including records managers, librarians, and archivists work with document management issues every day. While not limited to these professionals, this course builds on the broad range of tools and techniques that exist in these professions. The class content is designed so that students can benefit from each part of the class without fully understanding every technical detail presented. This course is designed for non-technical professionals. Several system designs will be done based on system requirements provided by the students. Many of the instruction materials are available free at http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com/abpapers.html (The materials are updated from time to time, please check for new version numbers.) Instructor: SteveGilheany@ArchiveBuilders.com BA CS, MBA, MLS Specialization in Information Science, CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), CRM (Certified Records Manager), AIIM MIT and LIT, Sr. Systems Engineer, ArchiveBuilders.com +1 (310) 937-7000, Fax: +1 (310) 937-7001. Overnight accommodations: on/next to campus: UCLA Guest House +1 (310) 825-2923 Single/Double $84/$89, UCLA Tiverton House +1 (310) 794-0151 $84/89, Hilgard House +1 (310) 208-3945 $94/$99 (UCLA rate); near campus, shuttle to UCLA: Summit Hotel Bel Air +1 (310) 476-6571 $105 (UCLA rate), Brentwood Holiday Inn +1 (310) 476-6411 $99 (UCLA rate), Westwood Doubletree +1 (310) 475-8711 $102/$112 (UCLA rate) rates subject to change without notice please see http://www.UnEx.UCLA.edu for updates. The Instructor has taught classes similar to this course to document imaging users and managers, to digital projects librarians in Singapore, in legal records management, and to various industry groups. He has worked in digital document management and document imaging for eighteen years. His experience in the application of document management and document imaging in industry includes: aerospace, banking, manufacturing, natural resources, petroleum refining, transportation, energy, federal, state, and local government, civil engineering, utilities, entertainment, commercial records centers, archives, non-profit development, education, and administrative, engineering, production, legal, and medical records management. At the same time, he has worked in product management for hypertext, for windows based user interface systems, for computer displays, for engineering drawing, letter size, microform, and color scanning, and for xerographic, photographic, newspaper, engineering drawing, and color printing. In addition, the instructor has nine years of experience in data center operations and database and computer communications systems design, programming, testing, and software configuration management. He has an MLS Specialization in Information Science and an MBA with a concentration in Computer and Information Systems from UCLA, a California Adult Education teaching credential, and a BA in Computer Science from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. His industry certifications include: the CDIA (Certified Document Imaging System Architect), the AIIM Master (MIT), and AIIM Laureate (LIT), of Information Technologies (from AIIM International, the Association of Information and Image Management, www.AIIM.org), and the CRM (Certified Records Manager) (from the ICRM, the Institute of Certified Records Managers, an affiliate of ARMA International, the Association of Records Managers and Administrators, www.ARMA.org). 995v75 The following is an example of the materials available at http://www.ArchiveBuilders.com/abpapers.html There are also several papers that describe various document management topics in prose. Computer storage requirements for various digitized document types. 1 scanned page (8 1/2 by 11 inches, A4) = 50 KiloBytes (KByte) (on average, black & white, CCITT G4 compressed) 1 file cabinet (4 drawer) (10,000 pages on average) = 500 MegaBytes (MByte) = 1 CD (ROM or WORM) 2 file cabinets = 1,000 MBytes = 1 GigaByte (GByte); 10 file cabinets = 1 DVD (WORM) 2,000 file cabinets = 1,000 GigaBytes = 1 TeraByte (TByte); 2,000 file cabinets = 200 DVDs 1 box (in inches: 12 wide x 15 long x 9.5 deep) (2,500 pages) = 1 file drawer = 2 linear feet of files = 125 Mbytes 8 boxes = 16 linear feet = 2 file cabinets = 1 GByte; 8,000 boxes = 16,000 linear feet = 1,000 GBytes = 1 TByte From reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za Tue Aug 17 13:54:22 1999 From: reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za (Yvonne Reynolds) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:28 2005 Subject: esolution for scanning images for the web Message-ID: <8A17B8D42B8@nbi.ac.za> Hi! May I ask a very basic question? Does everyone scan images to be used on the web (slides and photographs) at 72dpi/ppi? Or do you scan at a higher resolution and then resample? Pros and cons of either? Which is the preferred format for storing the images - tiff or bmp before converting to jpeg? TIA yvonne -- Yvonne Reynolds e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za Web site manager/ Librarian National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 http://www.nbi.ac.za -- Yvonne Reynolds e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za Web site manager/ Librarian National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 http://www.nbi.ac.za From p.s.klausen at ioks.uio.no Tue Aug 17 09:19:07 1999 From: p.s.klausen at ioks.uio.no (Sebastian Klausen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Resolution for scanning images for the web References: <8A17B8D42B8@nbi.ac.za> Message-ID: <05a401bee8b3$161aaeb0$c62af081@uio.no> Check this out: http://www.scantips.com/basics1c.html Sebastian Klausen ----- Original Message ----- From: Yvonne Reynolds To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] esolution for scanning images for the web > > Hi! > May I ask a very basic question? Does everyone scan images to be > used on the web (slides and photographs) at 72dpi/ppi? Or do you > scan at a higher resolution and then resample? Pros and cons of > either? Which is the preferred format for storing the images - tiff > or bmp before converting to jpeg? > > TIA > yvonne > > -- > Yvonne Reynolds > e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za > Web site manager/ Librarian > National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. > Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa > Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 > http://www.nbi.ac.za > > -- > Yvonne Reynolds > e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za > Web site manager/ Librarian > National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. > Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa > Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 > http://www.nbi.ac.za > From jefbarr at ufl.edu Tue Aug 17 09:32:02 1999 From: jefbarr at ufl.edu (Jeffrey Barr) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB]Resolution for scanning images for the web In-Reply-To: <8A17B8D42B8@nbi.ac.za> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990817083202.00704308@ufl.edu> For specialized and general information, try Cornell University's recently released The Illustrated Book Study: Digital Conversion Requirements of Printed Illustrations. A fine piece of work. http://www.library.cornell.edu/preservation/illbk/ibs.htm Hasn't this been announced on this list? Jeffrey A. Barr Curator of Rare Books Smathers Library East P.O. Box 117007 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611 (352) 392-9075 ext. 309 jefbarr@ufl.edu http://web.uflib.ufl.edu/spec/rarebook/rarebook.html SpecTech-L: http://web.uflib.ufl.edu/spec/spectech/index.htm From tk at kent.edu Tue Aug 17 11:27:09 1999 From: tk at kent.edu (Tom Klingler) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Job Opening: LAN Support Specialist, Kent State Message-ID: Kent State University LIBRARIES & MEDIA SERVICES Systems Office [NO. 260085] LAN Support Specialist. Applications are invited for a LAN Support Specialist to provide installation, diagnosis, maintenance, training, development and programming for Libraries & Media Services (LMS) computing needs. These diverse needs include: Microsoft NT workstation support; installation and maintenance of a wide range of specialty client software; special projects related to the KentLINK automated library system; training of users in a complex network environment that includes Novell, Microsoft NT, and UNIX/Linux servers; web development; and script programming. The LMS Systems Office has a staff of seven who support 14 servers, 200+ users, multiple sites and departments, and the KentLINK integrated library system (http://kentlink.kent.edu/). Qualifications: Associate Degree in computer science, information systems, or related field or equivalent experience. Preferred: Bachelor's degree in same. Two years of current experience with PC software and hardware troubleshooting, and configuring, networking, and deploying workstations in a complex network environment. Preferred: working knowledge of modern programming/scripting language(s); and web development experience. The position offers a competitive salary and excellent benefits. Review of applications will begin September 1, 1999, and continue until the position is filled. To apply, please send a letter of application that addresses your specific qualifications for the position, a resume, and the names, addresses, and phone numbers of three (3) professional references to: Mr. Mark Weber, Interim Dean Kent State University Libraries and Media Services P.O. Box 5190 Kent, OH 44242-0001 Email: markw@lms.kent.edu Web Site: http://www.library.kent.edu/ --------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Klingler Head of Systems Libraries & Media Services Kent State University Kent, OH. U.S.A. 44242-0001 330-672-2962 (x. 18) 330-672-4811 (fax) tk@kent.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message..." From holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us Tue Aug 17 11:44:21 1999 From: holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us (Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Time limiting software Message-ID: <37B98355.8B544DA9@lakeland.lib.mi.us> I'm in need of any suggestions regarding the selection and setup of a limiting function on Internet workstations. Limiting as in Timing-out a user after a set point of time. I'm also looking for any suggestions regarding the authenifcation of users so as to control user access to the workstations. Right now we use the signup sheet method, which is very cumbersome What we would like is an automated method to control users daily access to these workstations. We limit each user to a certain amount access each day. Any help/information would be greatly appreciated "The Light Man" Lin -- Lin Light Head of Technical Services/Automation Herrick District Library 300 S. River Ave. Holland, MI 49423 llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us Voice-616.355.3727 Fax-616.355.1426 From prestam at okstate.edu Tue Aug 17 12:28:33 1999 From: prestam at okstate.edu (prestam@okstate.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: electronic version of position Message-ID: Please excuse cross posting. Feel free to forward to other lists. ASSISTANT DIGITIZATION AND PATENT LIBRARIAN, TENURE TRACK Oklahoma State University is a land grant university with an enrollment of 26,000 students on four campuses offering 44 doctoral degree programs. The Library, with holdings of more than 2.6 million volumes and documents, is a member of the Association of Research Libraries. The Patent & Trademark Depository Library (PTDL) is one of four branch libraries on OSU's main campus. It is one of 85 libraries in the U.S. and Puerto Rico participating in the Patent & Trademark Depository Library Program (PTDLP). The OSU PTDL collection contains copies of all patents & trademarks issued by the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office. The library staff provides search assistance to the public. The PTDL mission has been enlarged to include the development and operation of a digitization program to provide remote access to locally held materials. This position has been added to help accomplish this extended mission and will be the second professional position in the unit reporting to the Patent, Trademark and Digitization Librarian. RESPONSIBILITIES: 1. Assist patrons with U.S. patent & trademark searching and develop programs and methods of instruction to facilitate searching the collection; 2. Help establish the Library Digitization Center; 3. Develop policies and procedures to meet standards for metadata, perservation, storage, presentation, and conservation of original materials converted to digital format; 4. Set production schedules, prioritize work assignments and monitor staff progress on digitzation projects; QUALIFICATIONS: Required: ALA-MLS; Must demonstrate the following: 1. Strong, effective reference and library instruction skills; 2. The ability to interact with a variety of users in a friendly fashion; 3. Excellent communication and organization skills; 4. Knowledge of HTML; 5. Excellent interpersonal and collaborative skills; Desired: Two years post-MLS experience providing intellectual property-related reference services; experience in creating, editing, updating, formatting, and processing digital text, image and data files of information; and active participation in state or national professional organizations. SALARY: $31,500 for 11 months. This is an assistant professor level position. Salary and academic rank dependent upon qualifications and prior experience. BENEFITS: Social security; free health, accident and life insurance; retirement benefits available under state system and TIAA/CREF (some restrictions); 11 holidays; 22 days of sick leave per year. Opportunity to work towards advanced degree. DEADLINE: Application review begins on October 1, 1999, and continues until position is filled. Anticipated start date: January 3, 2000. APPLICATION: Send cover letter, resume, and names and addresses of three professional references (including current supervisor) to: Mrs. Jackie German, Administrative Officer, Edmon Low Library, Oklahoma State University. Stillwater, OK 74078-1071. Phone: (405) 744-6324. E-mail at jlg4962@okstate.edu For additional information see the Library's web page at http://www.library.okstate.edu/ EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER; MINORITIES AND WOMEN ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH IRCA. From ras at anzio.com Tue Aug 17 12:35:10 1999 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] esolution for scanning images for the web In-Reply-To: <8A17B8D42B8@nbi.ac.za> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Yvonne Reynolds wrote: > > Hi! > May I ask a very basic question? Does everyone scan images to be > used on the web (slides and photographs) at 72dpi/ppi? Or do you > scan at a higher resolution and then resample? Pros and cons of > either? Which is the preferred format for storing the images - tiff > or bmp before converting to jpeg? I know some general cross references have been given, but let me point out just a couple things: 1. 72 dpi is a theoretical pixel density for a screen. It's related to your scanning decision, but indirectly. Decide how many pixels wide (or high) you want the picture on the screen. Then measure your picture and do the math. 2. I prefer to scan at the intended display density. Resampling (resizing) never gives you MORE information than you started with, and often gives you LESS. 3. If your scanning software can't output jpeg, then tiff vs. bmp shouldn't matter much. Note, though, that there are many "flavors" of TIFF, and you could have problems with an unsupported flavor. I've never had that problem with BMP. -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From nppublib at emh1.pa.net Tue Aug 17 13:43:25 1999 From: nppublib at emh1.pa.net (Jeanne Heicher) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Timing software Message-ID: <37B99F3D.3D174936@emh1.pa.net> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ditto on Lin Light's request. Please post to the list, as I am searching for the same thing, and would really appreciate any words of advice. Jeanne Heicher -- -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Newport Public Library Hours: 316 N. 4th St. Newport PA 17074 Mon.& Wed 1-8PM (717)567-6860 FAX(717)567-3373 Tues.& Thurs. 10AM-5PM http://www.pa.net/nppublib Fri. 1-5PM Sat. 10-noon Thank you for supporting your community library. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From cbearden at rice.edu Tue Aug 17 14:47:34 1999 From: cbearden at rice.edu (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Resolution for scanning images for the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Bob Rasmussen wrote: > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Yvonne Reynolds wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > May I ask a very basic question? Does everyone scan images to be > > used on the web (slides and photographs) at 72dpi/ppi? Or do you > > scan at a higher resolution and then resample? Pros and cons of > > either? Which is the preferred format for storing the images - tiff > > or bmp before converting to jpeg? > > I know some general cross references have been given, but let me point out > just a couple things: > > 1. 72 dpi is a theoretical pixel density for a screen. It's related to your > scanning decision, but indirectly. Decide how many pixels wide (or high) you > want the picture on the screen. Then measure your picture and do the math. > > 2. I prefer to scan at the intended display density. Resampling (resizing) > never gives you MORE information than you started with, and often gives you > LESS. > > 3. If your scanning software can't output jpeg, then tiff vs. bmp shouldn't > matter much. Note, though, that there are many "flavors" of TIFF, and you > could have problems with an unsupported flavor. I've never had that problem > with BMP. I would concur with Bob Rasmussen's advice, except that on #3, I wouldn't output my scans directly to JPEG which, even at its best, loses color information. If you are loading your scans into Photoshop, I suspect you won't have problems with TIFF format issues. I've moved TIFFs back and forth between Photoshop 4.0 for PC and for Mac, and the GIMP under Linux with no problems. My guess is that PaintShop Pro will also understand many TIFF variations. BMP is probably also fine. I'm not sure, but I don't think it loses color information. A good general guideline is to save a high-quality TIFF of your scan as a reference copy, and then convert copies of it either to JPEG or to GIF. As for scanning at a higher resolution and rescaling down, I find little difference if any in photographic images between ones scanned at the target resolution and ones scanned at a higher resolution and sampled down. My suspicion is that the same limitations of human perception that permit JPEGs to lose a fair amount of color information with little detectible difference in quality also make it difficult to detect the above-mentioned differences between resized images and those scanned at the target resolution, when the images posess large color palettes and complex gradations of shade and hue. BTW, try to make saving the image as a JPEG the last thing you do, since committing it to JPEG means losing color information. Line art, maps, and logos are a different mantter. Because of their typically high degree of contrast and limited color palettes, rescaling down produces more noticeable effects. See a small website of examples I created at: http://edwards.rice.edu/scanning/examples/example_03.html BTW, while indexed GIFs or PNGs are typically the target formats of choice for such images, never convert your image to indexed color until you have completed all manipulations to the image. The only manipulations you should perform after indexing the palette of an image are adding transparency and interlacing. I hope this helps. Chuck ====================================================================== Chuck Bearden cbearden@rice.edu Electronic Resources Librarian Fondren Library--MS44 713 / 527-8101 x3634 Rice University 713 / 737-5859 (fax) P.O. Box 1892 Houston, TX 77251-1892 ====================================================================== From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Tue Aug 17 15:32:21 1999 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Resolution for scanning images for the web References: Message-ID: <00d501bee8e7$39b7f880$ed11e589@elmer.uaf.edu> Many (all?) scanners actually ARE scanning at their highest resolution and then downsampling to achieve the dpi chosen anyway. So doing it yourself is just performing the same operation manually. c -- @who: Chris Lott | chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu | IT Specialist | Univ. of AK @where: p907.474.6350 | f907.474.6841 | http://itdc.elmer.uaf.edu/chris/ @quote: Philosophy n. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing From whites at co.rowan.nc.us Tue Aug 17 15:23:49 1999 From: whites at co.rowan.nc.us (Suzanne White) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: timing software Message-ID: For limiting time on public workstations, we use "Timewatcher" developed by Philipp Hoffmann from Germany. We really like the program so far. Special features: it "sits" on top of the desktop and it doesn't close the applications, but instead puts up it's interface in front between sessions--good if you want to let a user back in to where they were for more time, perhaps not so good if previous user's session is still up when you put the next user on. It also uses a formula-generated password that you set, and that will change each session. Basically, it randomly puts 5 numbers up (different each session), and you set up the formula (say, a sum of the first and third numbers) for determining the "passnumber". Pretty neat. They are working on a remote administration function as well... Here's the web site: http://home.t-online.de/home/320050081509-0001/ ---------------------- Suzanne White Information Services Rowan Public Library Salisbury, NC 28144 704-638-3009 whites@co.rowan.nc.us From GMASTERS at TAMIU.EDU Tue Aug 17 15:32:55 1999 From: GMASTERS at TAMIU.EDU (Gary E. Masters) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Resolution Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990817143255.00a2c6a0@TAMIU.EDU> All of the information on scanning resolution is very good and I hae saved from the link(s). Most of what I learned from a scanning project is very nicely summed up with some things I never knew. Now I do. However, I have found that LView Pro is the best one I have found to resize images. I have several expensive programs (like Photo-Paint 8) but when I am in a hurry I usually use LView. regards, Gary E. Masters Gary E. Masters Automated Services Librarian Texas A&M International University (956) 326-2137 (voice) (956) 326-2399 (fax) From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Aug 17 16:02:34 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] esolution for scanning images for the web In-Reply-To: <8A17B8D42B8@nbi.ac.za> Message-ID: Before answering this question it seems to me we should know more information. For example: 1) will you ever want to, or have the time to, do this again? 2) is it true that you will never wish to provide a higher-resolution format (for example, for printing or enlargement?) 3) are the originals in your possession so you can get them back again if you must rescan? If the answers to *any* of the above is no, then most of the advice provided to you so far is garbage. I would be perfectly happy to never digitize something twice, which is why I scan at a high resolution (300-600dpi), store a "master" version in TIFF format, and produce display versions from there. In my opinion, scanning for (present) screen resolution is short-sighted. So, if short-sighted is ok (in instances where the image will be worthless soon anyway), then scan for the screen. Otherwise, scan for posterity. Roy Tennant On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Yvonne Reynolds wrote: > > Hi! > May I ask a very basic question? Does everyone scan images to be > used on the web (slides and photographs) at 72dpi/ppi? Or do you > scan at a higher resolution and then resample? Pros and cons of > either? Which is the preferred format for storing the images - tiff > or bmp before converting to jpeg? > > TIA > yvonne > > -- > Yvonne Reynolds > e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za > Web site manager/ Librarian > National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. > Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa > Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 > http://www.nbi.ac.za > > -- > Yvonne Reynolds > e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za > Web site manager/ Librarian > National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. > Private bag x 7, Claremont 7735, South Africa > Tel:+27 21-762 1166 Fax: +27 21-762 0646 > http://www.nbi.ac.za > From grace.agnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu Tue Aug 17 16:17:34 1999 From: grace.agnew at ibid.library.gatech.edu (Grace Agnew) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Scanning Resolution Message-ID: <199908172017.QAA14592@ibid.library.gatech.edu> Yvonne, Best practice is to scan at an acceptably high resolution and store the high-resolution scan for the future. Why? My thoughts: (1) TIFF images are the accepted "best practices" "standard" (and I use standards in quotes because TIFF is not an internationally adopted standard with an organization providing ownership and control like JFIF (JPEG). Scanning to a best practices standard means that your images join a large body of work that must be supported over time. Vendors are more likely to provide migration paths for "best practices" image standards, other institutions following best practices are will document their experiences with storage, display and migration. (2) While the current Internet (and some computers) are not optimized for the transport and display of high-resolution images, this will change rapidly with high-speed networks, such as Abilene, etc. As for the computers themselves, I am always amused that I buy a computer or computers almost monthly and it seems the CPU speed, at least, has gone up 50 MHz each time. The "base level" RAM and video cards increase each time, as well. Within a few years 600 dpi TIFF (an accepted "best practices" standard) may seem grainy and of poor quality, based on newer CPUS, monitors, graphics accelerators, etc. (3) Each scan does a little bit of damage--from handling, from the light source, etc. to the image. The initial scan is also time-consuming. The goal, of course, is to scan once only. You want to scan at a "best practices" resolution--the highest you can manage--once and then batch process lower-resolution "use" images, using software like Thumbs Plus or DeBabelizer. You can strike as many lower-res use copies that you want from a high-res image, but obviously not the other way around. Hope this helps! Grace Agnew > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Grace Agnew Assistant Director for Systems & Technical Services Georgia Tech Library (404) 894-8932 (404) 894-6084 (fax) mailto:grace.agnew@library.gatech.edu From knayyer at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Tue Aug 17 17:02:36 1999 From: knayyer at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (K Nayyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: Online article: E-commerce primer for Libraries, Archives & Museums Message-ID: **crossposted; please excuse duplications** The Internet increasingly is becoming a place of commercial activity as well as an information resource. A new development on the Internet and in e-commerce is that institutions and organizations traditionally considered nonprofit are becoming involved in e-commerce. From distributing documents, to collecting fees for fishing licences, to selling images, many governments, libraries, archives, museums and others are becoming Web entrepreneurs. If you are or may be involved with this developing trend and would find a primer on e-commerce useful, there is an article that may be of interest at http://www.copyrightlaws.com/contents/ecommerce.html. E-commerce - A Primer for Libraries, Archives & Museums, by Lesley Ellen Harris, explains what e-commerce is and how it is carried out, and outlines elements of an e-commerce strategy. The article originally appeared in The Copyright & New Media Law Newsletter: For Librarians & Information Professionals. Information about the Newsletter is available at http://www.copyrightlaws.com/index2.html Thanks, Kim ___________________________________________________________ Kim Nayyer B.Sc. LL.B MLIS Student University of Alberta knayyer@ualberta.ca From chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu Tue Aug 17 18:51:12 1999 From: chrisl at muskox.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: esolution for scanning images for the web References: Message-ID: <022a01bee903$0155da90$ed11e589@elmer.uaf.edu> > In my opinion, scanning for (present) screen > resolution is short-sighted. So, if short-sighted is ok (in instances > where the image will be worthless soon anyway), then scan for the screen. > Otherwise, scan for posterity. You must live in a better world than I... I do a lot of work in which creating and storing high-res scans is a waste of time, space and effort. But agreed: if the poster was actually asking a different question than the one she really asked, then the advice given would be garbage. c -- @who: Chris Lott | chrisl@muskox.alaska.edu | IT Specialist | Univ. of AK @where: p907.474.6350 | f907.474.6841 | http://itdc.elmer.uaf.edu/chris/ @quote: Philosophy n. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 17 19:35:36 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Scanning Resolution In-Reply-To: <199908172017.QAA14592@ibid.library.gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990817173204.00ab42b0@dpop.micron.net> At 01:12 PM 8/17/99 -0700, Grace Agnew wrote: >Best practice is to scan at an acceptably high resolution and store the >high-resolution scan for the future. Why? Again, I think the issue is WHAT you are scanning and WHY. When we scan aerial photo images of Idaho taken in the 30s for archival purposes (a currently grant-funded project), we do them at maximum resolution and keep them as tiff files. However, if I'm just scanning a photo to use on a web page .... say ones we're now doing for a "virtual library tour" that some colleagues are developing.....then high resolution is irrelevant. We just want something that will show a patron standing in front of the circ desk with his ID being handed to a staff member, or something equally ephemeral. Those get scanned at low res, compressed into a jpg and look just fine on a web page. I imagine there could be purposes in between the archival and the ephemeral, though I don't right now know what they are. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 17 19:38:14 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:29 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Resolution for scanning images for the web In-Reply-To: <00d501bee8e7$39b7f880$ed11e589@elmer.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990817173648.00ab3160@dpop.micron.net> At 12:20 PM 8/17/99 -0700, Chris Lott wrote: >Many (all?) scanners actually ARE scanning at their highest resolution and >then downsampling to achieve the dpi chosen anyway. So doing it yourself is >just performing the same operation manually. If this is the case, why does it take so much longer to scan at a high res than a low one? On most scanners I'm familiar with, the step-size changes when you change from 300 dpi to 75 dpi, for example. So, it not only takes longer due to more steps, but also due to more data being passed to your computer. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za Wed Aug 18 09:07:39 1999 From: reynolds at nbict.nbi.ac.za (Yvonne Reynolds) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: thanks Message-ID: <8B4B53A6C12@nbi.ac.za> Thanks to everyone who responded to my enquiry about scanning resolutions for web images. Practice seems to vary considerably and I will need to consider our particular circumstances. Particular thanks for the tip to check out the http://www.scantips.com site. Yvonne -- Yvonne Reynolds e-mail reynolds@nbict.nbi.ac.za Web site manager/ Librarian National Botanical Institute, Kirstenbosch. 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Reporting to the Director of Libraries, the Systems Librarian will head a team of information specialists who define & manage the existing automated library systems resources & services, & introduce & implement new information technology initiatives in the evolving digital environment serving Concordia University. As a member of the senior library administration, the Systems Librarian directs a systems team consisting of an Assistant Systems Librarian, a Manager of computer support services, a computer professional & two computer technicians. The Library Systems Unit administers the INNOPAC system and synchronizes the Library's automation/digitization plans with University-wide computing development projects. Concordia University Libraries has a two-campus operation, a full-time equivalent of over 170 staff members & a $9 million budget. The Libraries provide services for over 25,000 full & part-time students in more than 237 undergraduate & 84 graduate programs as well as approximately 1,500 full & part-time faculty. The University operates a variety of library & office-automated applications in an environment of Windows, Mac, & Unix computers. Responsibilities leads staff in planning/ troubleshooting/ upgrading/ maintaining the Library's automated system initiates new applications; coordinates activities with other Library staff expands digital initiatives to improve ease & speed of access for users manages the Systems Unit, e.g., training, supervision, & evaluation of professional & technical staff sets priorities, prepares & recommends capital & operating budget for the Systems Unit participates in Library-wide budget & policy issues represents Concordia University Library in inter-institutional library systems ventures (provincial & national), e.g., consortium acquisitions of electronic resources acts as liaison with the Library's integrated systems vendor, Innovative Interfaces, Inc. & key computer practitioners, within & outside Concordia University. Qualifications MLS or MLIS from an accredited library school, or equivalent advanced degree in Information Science or related field. Five to seven years of progressively responsible experience in integrated systems operations, preferably in a university environment (experience with Innovative Interfaces Inc. preferred). Fluency in oral & written English & French. Proven leadership record. Ability to work in groups, to explore new initiatives, & enhance programs. Ability to plan & manage services & resources. Excellent interpersonal & communication skills, enthusiasm, flexibility, strong commitment to service. Remuneration: commensurate with qualifications R?sum?s with names, addresses and telephone numbers of three people prepared to provide references, should be forwarded to: Concordia University Libraries Ms. Lillian Rubinlicht Assistant Director, Planning & Priorities 1455 ouest, boul. de Maisonneuve Montr?al, Qu?bec H3G 1M8 Applications must be received no later than 4:00 p.m., Friday, August 27, 1999. From ladyhawk at well.com Wed Aug 18 10:38:49 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Push Technology: PLA Tech Note Message-ID: <199908181439.HAA12431@smtp.well.com> Dear colleagues, I have been writing a series of Web-based documents for the Public Library Association called Tech Notes, and once again I turn to the font of collective wisdom for some input. I am currently working on Push Technology. I have in hand Dan Walters' collection of papers on Push from the 1998 ALA conference, and Dan is my PLA technology committee liaison on this one. I would appreciate hearing from public libraries who are using Push technology: either through e-materials sent to them, such as PointCast on their intranets; or Push that they supply, such as new acquisitions lists or other e-mailed information that they send to patrons. I haven't done the periodical/Web research yet on this one (I have just begun) but I would also love any citations you can supply that show use of Push in libraries. You can email me what you and your library have done, or simply tell me that I can call and interview you. I can also supply an email interview. Thanks as ever for your continuing support. The Tech Notes already completed are: http://www.pla.org/electronicstats.htm Electronic Statistics: Counting Crows http://www.pla.org/videoconferencing.htm Video Teleconferencing: Here, There, and Everywhere http://www.pla.org/intranet.htm Intranets: The Web Inside http://www.pla.org/metadata.htm Metadata: Always More Than You Think http://www.pla.org/doi.htm DOI: The Persistence of Memory The Tech Note on Wireless Networks should be posted soon. Best, GraceAnne GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial and Web Consulting 350 E. 236th St. Bronx, NY 10470-2104 voice: 718/994-7794 * fax: 718/994-9851 E-mail ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html "The use of language is all we have to pit against death and silence." --Joyce Carol Oates From jleepol at ameritech.net Wed Aug 18 06:28:17 1999 From: jleepol at ameritech.net (Jackie L. Poland) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: POSITION AVAILABLE FOR SUPPORT OF DISTANCE EDUCATION Message-ID: <37BA8AC1.93F58D38@ameritech.net> POSITION TITLE: Library Consultant LOCATION: Chicago, Illinois SALARY: $34,000 - $46,000 (some relocation assistance is available) CONTACT: Jackie L. Poland jleepol@ameritech.net PLEASE NOTE: The position, although called "consultant" is actually a staff position with all attached benefits,longevity, etc. Within this major Chicago-based University, the responsibilities of the Library Consultant include: developing and producing material and activities in support of the Libraries' web based delivery of information resources and other services and of electronic distance education initiatives using audio, video, and other web based technologies; coordinating, with the Associate Director of Library Information Technology Services, and with the appropriate Associate Director(s), department heads, and other library employees, to insure successful applications of automation to library learning experiences; working closely with library management and other library departments, as appropriate, in performing training needs assessment; assisting appropriate library staff in the use of technology for library services through consultation and workshops; preparing, as warranted, documentation and training aids for web-based information resources and other services; participating in in-house training for library staff; collecting and analyzing statistics related to web-based activities; performing additional duties as assigned. Requirements: BS in Computer Science with emphasis in on-line learning or distance learning, or a BA in Education with a major in Instructional Design and Computing, or an MLS with a specialization in on-line learning or distance education, experience will be considered in lieu of a specific concentration within a degree program, experience with MS-Windows NT based microcomputers and applications software especially computer-based training (CBT) tools and application, knowledge of at least one of the following programming languages: Visual Basic, Active Server Pages (ASP), or SQL, ability to work flexible hours and weekends and travel among Chicagoland-area campuses as required, knowledge of library automation issues preferred, demonstrated verbal and written communication skills. From creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu Wed Aug 18 12:29:34 1999 From: creechj at mumbly.lib.cwu.edu (John Creech) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Classroom Control Software-Summary In-Reply-To: <377AB3E2.A65D7E3C@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: I'd like to belatedly thank Kurt Wagner, Karen Johnson, and prestam@Okstate.edu for their responses to me backchannel when I recently asked about classroom control software for pc's. There was one solid vote for Comweb, a hardware solution from KnowledgeWeb (http://www.comweb.com/prod.htm). And there were 2 votes for the TechSight Electronic Classroom (http://www.TechSightHome.com/Frames.html). These are both apparently in the $10-20K range - OUCH. Thanks again for your help, folks. John Creech Electronic Resources & Systems Librarian Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Ave. | Ellensburg, WA 98926 | 509-963-1081 creechj@www.lib.cwu.edu From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Aug 18 13:12:14 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Job Posting - Systems Developer - OhioLINK Message-ID: <006401bee99c$dcc43a10$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Systems Developer --- OhioLINK The Ohio Library and Information Network (OhioLINK) is seeking a Systems Developer to plan, develop, integrate, and maintain systems and software for the OhioLINK project. OhioLINK is a consortium providing information services to 75 public and private universities and colleges in Ohio, and the State Library of Ohio. Duties will include the creation of software based on input from staff and users, the use of standard programming languages to create software to meet specifications, testing new software, revising software as needed, and ongoing software maintenance of current and future systems. This position offers the opportunity to work with cutting edge technology in a fast-paced, growing environment. This position requires a Masters in library or information science, OR a four year degree in Computer Science or equivalent technical area. The candidate should have strong programming skills in a Unix environment including C or C++, and Perl. Experience with Java and other current web technologies is highly desired. The candidate should possess strong problem solving abilities as well as have excellent analytical skills. Experience with web-based library systems or relational databases is required. Good verbal and written communication skills are expected. OhioLINK offers a competitive salary and an excellent benefits package which includes 4 weeks of paid vacation annually. OhioLINK is an EEO/AA employer. Interested individuals should submit a letter of application which includes a statement of salary expectations, a current resume, and the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of three references to Anita Cook, Director of Library Systems, OhioLINK, Suite 300, 2455 North Star Road, Columbus, OH 43221. First consideration of candidates will begin on October 1, 1999, and will continue until the position is filled. From collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us Wed Aug 18 12:57:54 1999 From: collisod at uhls.lib.ny.us (Deanna Collison) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Time limiting software References: <37B98355.8B544DA9@lakeland.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <37BAE612.5767CD19@uhls.lib.ny.us> Lin, Try looking into CybraryN by TrueData, WatchDog, TimeWise. Search some software download sites for time-out software. For what you said you needed, I think CybraryN would be the best place to start. Good Luck and if I can be of more help let me know. I have some info on limiting on-line databases in Netscape as well. Peace, Deanna -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: collisod.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 383 bytes Desc: Card for Deanna Collison Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19990818/98f0d981/collisod.vcf From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Aug 18 14:18:12 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Cataloging of Multimedia E-Journals Message-ID: _Cataloging of Multimedia E-Journals_ I recently searched the OCLC database for bibliographic records for each of the titles in my registry of multimedia electronic journals, M-Bed(sm). M-Bed(sm) is available at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/M-Bed.htm Of the 41 titles currently listed, 34 had records. Of these, only five (5) - less than 15% of those with records - had a mention of the availability of a multimedia component in the record!! To say the least I was surprised and quite perplexed that a major component of such journals has been completely ignored in a vast majority of cases. I am further perplexed that while a number of records make note of the need for the Acrobat plug-in there is no mention of the other plug-ins required for using the associated multimedia. From this brief survey, I've concluded that catalogers in general are not aware of the multimedia dimensions of such journals and that journals such as these would be difficult to identify due to the lack of standard and uniform description of the multimedia. This raises several issues, namely the current status of standard terminology within the cataloging community for such multimedia, the appropriate location with the catalog record (the five records which mentioned multimedia did so in the 516, 520, 538 MARC fields) and the appropriate General Material Designation (GMD) for such 'publications' In this case, all had 'Computer file' as the GMD. Would it be more appropriate to use 'Interactive Media' as the GMD for multimedia e-journals? [This approach would be an extension of the _Guidelines for Bibliographic Description of Interactive Media_ published by the American Library Association in 1994 and authored by the Interactive Multimedia Guidelines Review Task Force chaired by Laurel Jizba, now of Portland State University] I'd very much appreciate my colleagues thoughts and reactions to my observations and conclusions regarding the cataloging of multimedia electronic e-journals (or any other issues that this posting may inspire regarding multimedia e-journals). As Always, Any and All comments, contributions, questions, queries, critiques, etc. etc. are Most Welcome! /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Wed Aug 18 16:24:45 1999 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: scan for posterity? Message-ID: <000801bee9b7$b5f7b770$5d54df80@uoregon.edu> Roy Tennant writes: >I would be perfectly happy to never digitize something twice Although I agree that the cost of rescanning needs to be taken into account when deciding whether to scan at high res, note that even the best laid schemes gang aft a-gley. In particular, scanning at 600dpi in 3 colors (30 bit) isn't going to capture a lot of information in the original that scanners 30 years from now will pick up and that may be important to people then. One can easily envision scanners that scan at more wavelengths (note that PRINTING these days is often 6-color because 3- and 4-color don't reproduce the subtle differences that people perceive), at arbitrarily higher resolutions (scanning for glossy printing is today often at 1200dpi [optical] or higher), that pick up surface texture directly, that measure polarization, ad nauseum. Depending on the type of original, of course -- a collotype is not the same as a 35mm slide. It's important to ask the question of what you're planning to use the image for, to ask what you are likely to use it for 5 years from now, and what the cost of rescanning would be. So as a practical matter I often follow Roy's advice, even for personal photos to be published on the web. But I'm not at all convinced that "scan for posterity" in the library archival sense, where archives are expected to be useful for centuries and to meet currently unpredicted needs, is feasible in most cases. I'm not saying "don't do it"; the grainy black and white photo in my art text from the '60s is still useful to me. Just "try to preserve your originals" and use a discount rate in your cost/benefit calculations that assumes the value of your scan won't be very high a decade or three from now, no matter what you do. JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From rudellbetts at mediaone.net Wed Aug 18 16:32:52 1999 From: rudellbetts at mediaone.net (Linda Rudell-Betts) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: 1999 LACASIS Fall Workshop--Early Bird Registration Extended to8/27] Message-ID: <37BB1874.15DA1784@mediaone.net> Los Angeles Chapter for the American Society for Information Science Early Bird Registration Extended to 8/27! Register online at the LACASIS website http://www.lacasis.org ****************************************** 1999 LACASIS FALL WORKSHOP Compatible Architectures: Structures for Growth Come hear a day of experts discuss how they are creating common standards, formats, processes, content and system interfaces for using the Internet more effectively. Internets, Intranets and Extranets are overflowing with standards. New standards are emerging. Existing standards are evolving. What does it all do? Where does it all fit? What does it all mean? Keynote speaker: Marjorie M. K. Hlava Marjorie M. K. Hlava, President, Chairman, and Founder, Access Innovations, Inc. will start off the day by addressing and explaining these concepts. Enfish Technology, Inc. A representative of Enfish, an information management software company and producer of Enfish Tracker software, will be speaking on knowledge management issues. Robert Doiel Robert Doiel is a Programmer/Analyst at the Center for Scholarly Technology, Information Services Division, University of Southern California. He will be speaking on the topic of multimedia and SMIL (Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language). Christine Anderson Christine Anderson is from the American Printing House for the Blind (APH), She will be speaking about creating a web site that is accessible for the blind and visually impaired using MARC cataloging records. Norman Mainer Norman Mainer is the Executive Vice President and CTO at Interactive Search, Inc., and formerly the Vice President, Architecture and Technologies at Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco. He will be speaking about E-commerce issues. Wrap-up Speaker: Joseph Busch Joseph Busch is the Vice President for Product Development at Datafusion Inc. Date: Friday, September 24, 1999 Time: 7:45 am - 8:45 Registration & Continental Breakfast 8:45 - 4:15 Workshop, including Buffet Lunch Place: Industry Hills Sheraton Resort & Conference Center One Industry Hills Parkway City of Industry, CA 91744 626.810.4455 Free Parking Cost: Earlybird registration and payment postmarked on or before August 20, 1999 $82.00 Registration and payment postmarked on or after August 21, 1999 $95.00 Registration Deadline: We must receive your registration with payment by Thursday, September 16, 1999. As we must guarantee attendance with the hotel, no refunds will be made after September 16, 1999. Earlybird registration, with payment must be postmarked by August 27, 1999. To register: Make check payable to LACASIS and send with completed form to: Linda Rudell-Betts 11664 National Blvd. PMB# 413 Los Angeles, CA 90064-3854 For more information contact: Holly Ying holly_ying@hotmail.com or http://www.lacasis.org Name: Affiliation: Address: City/State Zip Phone E-mail Check if ASIS member From bbrattin at wnpl.alibrary.com Wed Aug 18 17:01:47 1999 From: bbrattin at wnpl.alibrary.com (Barbara Brattin) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Pixel sizes for web pages Message-ID: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new standard is? Thanks for your help! From mtheobal at ihets.org Wed Aug 18 17:46:33 1999 From: mtheobal at ihets.org (Matthew Theobald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <37BB29B9.A1D64663@ihets.org> Our stats showed that over 60% of our users we at 800x600 15% were higher than than, and 15% were 640x480. It is MUCH easier to design for 800x600, but 640x480 must be accommodated, but not the lead. See www.icn.org at 640x480 and 800x600 Some of the footer info and the college logos must scroll at 640x480 but the "meat" all fits in that. SO I guess design for both but don't restrict yourself too much. Hope this helps. -Matt Barbara Brattin wrote: > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! From woltzj at swosu.edu Wed Aug 18 18:47:17 1999 From: woltzj at swosu.edu (Jonathan Woltz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <005d01bee9cb$a0db1da0$29343aa4@SWOSU.EDU> The important question to ask is, "What information is going to be on the web page that *needs* to be presented at 800x600?" Frankly, good web page design doesn't require 800x600. Web designers who make 800x600 pages are often doing it for the wrong reasons: they fill the page with big photos and other eye candy, or they fill the page with huge lists of hyperlinks. Neither makes a site that's easy for patrons to use. I test my library's pages to be sure that they work equally well at 640x480 and 800x600. The monitors in our library are set to 800x600, but it's important that our pages work well for patrons outside the library with less capable hardware. There's no benefit to the library in alienating patrons just because they have old computers. : Jonathan Woltz, Automation Librarian : Southwestern Oklahoma State University, Weatherford, OK 73096 : E-mail: woltzj@swosu.edu Phone: (580)774-7074 Fax: (580)774-3112 : http://www.swosu.edu/library/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Brattin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! > > From ldraz at ci.bedford.tx.us Wed Aug 18 18:33:39 1999 From: ldraz at ci.bedford.tx.us (Linda Draz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: job description Message-ID: <37BB34C3.104AE285@ci.bedford.tx.us> I would greatly appreciate any assistance y'all (yes, I'm in Texas) could offer. I work in a smallish public library and am moving from an Adult Reference position to one where I design and maintain the web page and provide Internet training for staff and the public. I would also be responsible for e-rate and any potential technology grants. There is potential for a salary increase if I can come up with a job description which convinces them the new position warrants it. Please e-mail any job descriptions which may be of help to me. Thank you, Linda Draz From pnt at eng.cam.ac.uk Wed Aug 18 19:33:04 1999 From: pnt at eng.cam.ac.uk (Paul Taylor) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Barbara Brattin wrote: > We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. You might be interested in the figures offered on http://www.statmarket.com/ which suggest that 800x600 is *way* out in front as the resolution being used on people's displays. Even if you allow for the figures maybe not being completely representative, the commercial site designers, and your team members, don't seem too far off beam. BUT if your monitors are sufficiently small that 800x600 makes for uncomfortable viewing, then I'd say that that is also important for how you configure your computers for viewing Web pages! With regard to designing pages, for pages for use in my own library, I take account of the machines that will be used to view the pages. If I know that they have a certain screen resolution, or are using a certain version of a certain browser, I design for that, rather than worrying about external trends. So if your pages are used exclusively (or mostly) just within your library, and viewing comfort is an issue, maybe 640x480 is what you should be targetting, and who is to say that that is wrong? The external trends do become more important for world-accessible pages, where you are catering for an unknown range of resolutions and browsers. For what it's worth, in that case, my policy is 'work to the lowest reasonable common denominator'. In other words, if I can be compatible with the oldest browser and the lowest resolution, I will. After all, a user with a screen set to 800x600 isn't going to be much inconvenienced by a page designed to work well at 640x480. But if I think have a strong enough need to do something that would slightly disadvantage the very lowest specification, *and* I believe that only a very small proportion of visitors would be affected, then I won't force myself into a straitjacket of 'compatibility at all costs'. Paul Taylor Cambridge, UK pnt@eng.cam.ac.uk From dan at 84.com Thu Aug 19 02:05:20 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:30 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990819000313.00b3f2f0@dpop.micron.net> At 04:32 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Paul Taylor wrote: >On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Barbara Brattin wrote: > > > We are developing a new and improved web site as a > > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Three quick thoughts: 1. For those with vision problems, and for ease of use in demos to small groups of users, 17 inch monitors are now standard on new systems, and can be purchased for $195 brand new. 2. Remember that the font size used by anyone can be easily changed in either NS or IE, so that those who need larger fonts can easily have them. 3. We've purchased several 19 inch monitors for public areas for same reasons as the 17s, and find them well worth the money for selected situations. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From L.Will at Willpower.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 19 04:33:10 1999 From: L.Will at Willpower.demon.co.uk (Leonard Will) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: In article <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary .com>, on Wed, 18 Aug 1999 at 13:59:22, Barbara Brattin writes >I'm >interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you >designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new >standard is? Thanks for your help! This problem only arises if you need to have large images, more than 600 pixels wide, on your site. For the really useful information - text - HTML is perfectly capable of adjusting to fit into whatever size of screen happens to be used. You need to be sure to express widths of tables, etc., in relative (e.g. percentage) terms rather than absolute sizes. You will not have full control over the appearance of the page, but it's not too difficult to design it so that it is clearly understandable at different widths. The appearance will in any case change if the user changes the font size. I use a 17" monitor at 1152 x 864 pixels, and I find it irritating to see pages that occupy the middle half of my screen with wide blank margins on either side, They often have text forced into narrow columns, requiring much more vertical scrolling than would be necessary if HTML had been used properly. Leonard Will -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)20 8372 0094 L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk ---------------- ---------------- From verho at fla.fi Thu Aug 19 07:06:13 1999 From: verho at fla.fi (Seppo Verho) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: The Finnish Library Journal August 1999 Message-ID: <199908191107.OAA08235@katto.kaapeli.fi> Dear Reader, Headlines from the August 1999 issue of the Finnish Library Journal (http://www.kaapeli.fi/~fla/flj/ ) Library Services at Your Finger-tips: - fingerprint recognition - library services on your mobile phone Library Music Awards Through Technology to Culture Kirjastolehti (The Finnish Lirary Journal) is the professional journal for Finnish library people, the consumer journal for library users and the news journal that keeps decision makers up to date. Seppo Verho The Finnish Library Journal email: verho@fla.fi From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 19 09:05:50 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <006301beea43$bb4cbef0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> You may want to consult the Web4Lib archive for comments from the last few merry go-rounds on this topic. You asked for opinions; you can decide for yourself whether these are learned: Monitor size in inches is different from monitor size in pixels, which is different from window size in pixels, which is different from the rendered size of a browser's default font. Not only are these four measurements different, they operate almost wholly independently of each other. So a statement like "I have trouble reading text at 600x800" puts the blame in the wrong place. HTML inherently has no sense of screen or window dimensions. Many web designers will argue that the only aspects to a page with fixed pixel dimensions should be inline images; such designers typically restrain their use of images so that no single image or horizontal chain of images is wider than, say, 550px (with obvious exceptions for sites like image archives where the main purpose of a page is to display a larger image). Outside of images, find ways to express measurments relative to window size (percentages) or relative to text size (ems). Users detest horizontal scrolling. In my experience, users with higher screen resolutions and/or larger monitors are less likely to run any application full screen; average window size on a 1280x1024 19" or 21" monitor is very likely to be less than 800px wide. (The browser window I currently have open is 587px wide and 737px high.) I applaud your decision to support Web access for the visually impaired. Since that entails much, much more than monitor resolution, I trust the people actually writing your pages are familiar with the Web Content Accessibilty Guidelines. It is actually possible to design web sites that are equally usable, even equally beautiful, under a wide range of viewing conditions. Failing to accomplish that completely is understandable; failing to identify it as a goal is not. My recommendations to your committee would be A) find a starting point that isn't tied up in presentational nitpicking; B) find a design that looks attractive anywhere from 550 to 1550 pixels wide; C) crank up both your workstations' resolution and font size; and D) continue to run your browsers in windows that are approximately 600 to 640 pixels wide. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Brattin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! > > > From cpetrson at tsl.state.tx.us Thu Aug 19 12:45:34 1999 From: cpetrson at tsl.state.tx.us (Chris Peterson) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link Message-ID: <15EE7D2CFB19D311835600805F9A905614CDFC@Exchange.tsl.state.tx.us> As do most others, we have mailto links at the bottom of most of our web pages. When I receive a message from someone with a comment, they don't provide me with the URL or title of the web page they are on. Short of actually putting that information in each mailto link as a subject, is there an automatic way I can do this? Maybe it would grab the URL or title of the page and place it in the subject or message body. Can anyone help? Christine Peterson Manager, Continuing Education & Consulting Texas State Library and Archives Commission chris.peterson@tsl.state.tx.us 512-463-6627 From msauers at bcr.org Thu Aug 19 12:56:28 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link In-Reply-To: <15EE7D2CFB19D311835600805F9A905614CDFC@Exchange.tsl.state.tx.us> Message-ID: > Short of > actually putting that information in each mailto link as a > subject, is there > an automatic way I can do this? Maybe it would grab the URL or > title of the > page and place it in the subject or message body. Can be done with JavaScript: 1 11 12 13 Send this link to a friend. Lines 1-10 go in the head of your document. Lines 5 & 6 must be typed in as one line without line breaks or word wrapping. Replace THIS IS THE SUBJECT with the text you want to appear in the subject line. Replace THIS APPEARS IN THE BODY with the text you want to appear in the body of the message, to be followed by the URL and title of the document. Line 12 goes in the body of the document where you want the link to appear. You may replace SEND THIS LINK TO A FRIEND with your own text. -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us Thu Aug 19 13:08:10 1999 From: internet at mcpl.lib.mo.us (Kevin Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link References: <15EE7D2CFB19D311835600805F9A905614CDFC@Exchange.tsl.state.tx.us> Message-ID: <37BC39FA.77D1FF4E@mcpl.lib.mo.us> If your parsing the pages in question, you could try: ">webmaster@your.domain -- Kevin Sullivan Internet Systems Manager Mid-Continent Public Library http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us mailto:internet@mcpl.lib.mo.us From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 19 13:14:45 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link References: <15EE7D2CFB19D311835600805F9A905614CDFC@Exchange.tsl.state.tx.us> Message-ID: <003501beea66$782c1030$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Peterson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link > As do most others, we have mailto links at the bottom of most of our web > pages. When I receive a message from someone with a comment, they don't > provide me with the URL or title of the web page they are on. Short of > actually putting that information in each mailto link as a subject, is there > an automatic way I can do this? Maybe it would grab the URL or title of the > page and place it in the subject or message body. > > Can anyone help? > Scrap the mailto links. There's no way to guarantee that they'll pick up a subject, and in the worst case the mail will vanish into the ether with the sender getting no indication that it wasn't sent. See for details. The "?subject=..." technique fails not only for some older browsers, but also for newer browsers that are configured to use anything but their own e-mail program, or configured not to use an e-mail program. Instead, set up a CGI script that will reliably send mail from your server with the correct subject line. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Thu Aug 19 16:04:13 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (Jay Frantz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: What to Do? Message-ID: I am the webmaster at a public library in Texas. THe assistant director wanted to install a counter....so I installed it. It accesses the no. of hits, etc. Now, there is a problem. It accesses a www.thecounter.com to record the hit... We have 16 MB of RAM and a 100 MHZ processor in each work station running WIN 95. Don't laugh about the 16 MGs (it's true, I swear)! The problem is when you access the main page it downloads the page 57% and stops (the counter is on the main page). It is the same for all client computers w/ Internet access. I have tried giving it more space in the cache, but nothiing works. We use Netscape Navigator 4.0. Oh, yes..one other thing...we also have a Novell Network that is accessed by each of these clients.. Does anyone have any idea why the page is not downloading completely. I suspect it's because of the RAM. Thanks in advance. Jay H. Frantz, Webmaster From suekamm at class.org Thu Aug 19 16:04:09 1999 From: suekamm at class.org (Sue Kamm) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Netscape/Microsoft mail problems Message-ID: <37BC6336.E0C5415F@class.org> About two weeks ago, when I tried to log into my email using Netscape mail, I began receiving the following message after I typed in my password: "The mail server responded: Unable to process From lines (envelopes), change recognition modes." I tried setting up Microsoft's Internet Mail program, but couldn't get in to my mail using that program either. Neither the technical support people at my ISP (Cerfnet) nor our city's MIS people have ever heard of this problem. (I can send mail using Netscape, but have to telnet into my mail account to read it.) I had made no changes to my computer, and our service tech couldn't find anything wrong. I'd appreciate any assistance from the group. Please email me privately. TIA! -- Your friendly CyberGoddess and ALA Councilor, Sue Kamm email: suekamm@class.org "I really love baseball. The guys and the game. And I love the challenge of describing things. The only thing I hate--and I know you have to be realistic and bay the bills in this love--is the loneliness of the road." --Vin Scully From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Aug 19 18:06:11 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <37BC7FD3.5692CBEE@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Most of our staff has chosen to set their display for 640x480. Barbara Brattin wrote: > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From msauers at bcr.org Thu Aug 19 18:15:03 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <37BC7FD3.5692CBEE@anaheim.lib.ca.us> Message-ID: > They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! Flexibility is the key. I can surf on my PalmIIIx. Resolution: 64x128. This may be an extreme example but... -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From msauers at bcr.org Thu Aug 19 18:17:36 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] What to Do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The problem is > when you access the main page it downloads the page 57% and stops (the > counter is on the main page). It is the same for all client computers w/ > Internet access. I have tried giving it more space in the cache, but > nothing works. We use Netscape Navigator 4.0. I hardly thing it is your RAM or processor speed. I've been using thecounter.com for more than a year and it hasn't caused this problem before with one exception: use the code exactly as the site gave it to you, all of it, character for character. I once "found" a way to shorten the code to just a URL and then had your problem. Also, can you send the URL of the problem page? That would help us zero in on the problem. -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From george at library.caltech.edu Thu Aug 19 18:44:07 1999 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Pixel sizes for web pages Message-ID: <0CAA59BF4677D211904D00A0C9EA3676460130@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> We did a thorough revamp of our website just under a year ago. We did literature reviews, examined the server logs to generate a picture of the kinds of browsers accessing the site, separated those into campus (core audience) and off-campus (nice, but less essential). The distinction between campus and outside users is an explicit part of our charge (YMMV). The final conclusion, we felt a need to hard code a few widths, was to go primarily with percentages, with nothing over 700 pixels mandated in our code. The 700 was a compromise figure, based on establishing a single graphic identity for the website. All images are required to have alt tags with useful, informative text. FYI, the impetus for the revamp and re-examination of our style guidelines was the creation of a handful of tables which generated side-scrolling. Much unhappiness ensued among the library staff. Never did get complaints from users. On the plus side, we received considerable positive feedback when we rolled out the new look. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us Thu Aug 19 18:47:22 1999 From: thomas at anaheim.lib.ca.us (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4.2.0.58.19990819000313.00b3f2f0@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: <37BC897A.98FCCB69@anaheim.lib.ca.us> All of the monitors we have for the public are 15 inch monitors. Furthermore, the new Dell computers we just received from Ameritech came with 15 inch monitors. Dan Lester wrote: > Three quick thoughts: > 1. For those with vision problems, and for ease of use in demos to small > groups of users, 17 inch monitors are now standard on new systems, and can > be purchased for $195 brand new. -- Thomas Edelblute Anaheim Public Library From george at library.caltech.edu Thu Aug 19 18:56:14 1999 From: george at library.caltech.edu (George Porter) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link Message-ID: <0CAA59BF4677D211904D00A0C9EA3676460131@dungeon.library.caltech.edu> Thomas Dowling recommended scrapping mailto's and going with CGI to generate feedback. This has the very positive effect of allowing you to incorporate URLs in the email and/or subject line. Experience at Caltech dictated a two-pronged approach. We offer a comments link (CGI) and a mailto on every page. Many of the people on campus wish to maintain a mail log, necessitating a way to BCC or otherwise direct a copy of their comments into a file, for future reference. Others are using library or computer lab workstations where the browser is not necessarily configured with personal email information, making exclusive reliance upon mailto's impractical. Interestingly, the majority of the comments/questions are not directly related to the content of the originating web page. The combination of forms and mailto's serves our community's needs well and have been incorporated throughout the website in a standard footer. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 From pem at po.cwru.edu Thu Aug 19 21:13:15 1999 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <5079996.3144085995@tier354963.tier3.cwru.edu> We did a redesign of our OPAC page recently (http://catalog.cwru.edu/), and one of the concers was to move to an interface of mostly text. Not only does this display on any screen size, but users can choose to set their font size to what is comfortable for them and the page will flow correctly. Plus, since it is light on graphics, it loads very fast over dialup connections. Nothing is more annoying than to wait for a 100KB of images to download over a dialup connection. Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-8834 From jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us Thu Aug 19 21:20:18 1999 From: jay at ccpl.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us (Jay Frantz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: What to Do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Uh yes, you're right: Here's the URL: http://www.library.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us/ On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Michael Sauers wrote: > > The problem is > > when you access the main page it downloads the page 57% and stops (the > > counter is on the main page). It is the same for all client computers w/ > > Internet access. I have tried giving it more space in the cache, but > > nothing works. We use Netscape Navigator 4.0. > > I hardly thing it is your RAM or processor speed. I've been using > thecounter.com for more than a year and it hasn't caused this problem before > with one exception: use the code exactly as the site gave it to you, all of > it, character for character. I once "found" a way to shorten the code to > just a URL and then had your problem. > > Also, can you send the URL of the problem page? That would help us zero in > on the problem. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org > http://www.bcr.org/~msauers > The WWW Library Directory is @ > http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > From pem at po.cwru.edu Thu Aug 19 21:19:31 1999 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:31 2005 Subject: Automatically adding URL/TITLE to mailto link In-Reply-To: <003501beea66$782c1030$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <5102620.3144086371@tier354963.tier3.cwru.edu> --On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 10:12 AM -0700 Thomas Dowling wrote: > Instead, set up a CGI script that will reliably send mail from your server > with the correct subject line. Not only that, but you can offer helpful answers to common questions so users can find answers faster than it takes for the webmaster group to respond. Ours looks like: http://www.cwru.edu/cgi-bin/AuroraFeedback ..and it exists as the first of four required elements at the bottom of each page of the server. Peter -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-8834 From Eric at KCLIBRARY.ORG Fri Aug 20 09:11:01 1999 From: Eric at KCLIBRARY.ORG (Eric (Eric Rogers)) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages Message-ID: <860FE1C9E172D211BD6D00105A07E0CB2E56D9@heller.kcpl.lib.mo.us> If your page is well-designed it shouldn't matter what the user's resolution is - good web design practice dictates that the page be flexible enough to adapt the environment it is viewed in. Many PCs are still shipping from the manufacturer at 640x480 - and most end users don't know how to change their resolution (or don't even know that they can change it). While many PC users may be moving to larger resolutions, other smaller Net appliances like WebTV, PalmPilots, and even cell phones are proliferating rapidly. I see the user base diverging - more PC users with 800x600 and beyond, and more small-device users with something significantly smaller than 640x480. If you are not being pulled in both directions you will be soon. -------------------------------------------- Eric Rogers Internet Services Administrator Kansas City Public Library eric@kclibrary.org - http://kclibrary.org -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Brattin [mailto:bbrattin@wnpl.alibrary.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 3:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new standard is? Thanks for your help! From msauers at bcr.org Fri Aug 20 10:13:51 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: Mozilla Icon Message-ID: For those playing with the daily builds or milestone releases of Mozilla and really wish they had an Icon to go with the Apprunner, I've created one based on the throbber in the latest builds. If you would like a copy of the mozilla.ico file please e-mail me privately. ----------------------------------- Michael Sauers Librarian & Internet Trainer Aurora, CO :: msauers@webpan.com http://www.webpan.com/msauers/ Listowner of the Dean Koontz e-list Join @ http://koontz.listbot.com ----------------------------------- From walthowe at delphi.com Fri Aug 20 10:20:56 1999 From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990820100858.00a4b220@pop.delphi.com> At 03:49 AM 19-08-99 -0700, Leonard Will wrote, in part: >I use a 17" monitor at 1152 x 864 pixels, and I find it irritating to >see pages that occupy the middle half of my screen with wide blank >margins on either side, They often have text forced into narrow columns, >requiring much more vertical scrolling than would be necessary if HTML >had been used properly. I must counter your argument. I find it very irritating to be forced to read wide columns of text that scroll across the full width of the screen. I deliberately design text oriented pages to column widths of 400 pixels or so for best readablilty. For readability, I would much rather scroll vertically than have to scan my eyes back and forth horizontally. As any speed reader will tell you, the best laid out text for reading allows the eye to scroll vertically without much lateral motion. Good design will break up pages so that little vertical scrolling is required anyway, but if I must present a long text document on one page, I will keep the columns at a readable width. Walt Howe http://www.delphi.com/pubweb/ http://www.delphi.com/navnet/ http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ http://people.ne.mediaone.net/walthowe/ From amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us Fri Aug 20 10:53:47 1999 From: amutch at waterford.lib.mi.us (Andrew Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: Hiring a Web Site Designer References: Message-ID: <37BD6BFB.75520BE1@waterford.lib.mi.us> Can anyone recommend articles or sites on-line or in print that discuss the issues to keep in mind when hiring someone to design a web site?? We had a patron who would like to hire someone to design a web site for their organization and I couldn't really find anything that discussed this aspect of web site creation. Thanks, Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI From schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Fri Aug 20 12:05:44 1999 From: schwarz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Joy Schwarz) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hiring a Web Site Designer In-Reply-To: <37BD6BFB.75520BE1@waterford.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: Hi Andrew - Perhaps this Web site may be of help... Hiring web people < http://netizen.com.au/~skud/articles/webhire/webhire.html > Joy Schwarz | Any sufficiently Web Coordinator/I.L.L. Librarian | advanced technology Winnefox Library System | is indistinguishable Oshkosh, WI USA | from magic. http://axp.winnefox.org | Clarke's Third Law http://oshkoshonthewater.com Arthur C. Clarke On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrew Mutch wrote: > Can anyone recommend articles or sites on-line or in print that discuss the > issues to keep in mind when hiring someone to design a web site?? We had a > patron who would like to hire someone to design a web site for their > organization and I couldn't really find anything that discussed this aspect of > web site creation. > > Thanks, > > Andrew Mutch > Library Systems Technician > Waterford Township Public Library > Waterford, MI From horstman at WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Fri Aug 20 14:18:25 1999 From: horstman at WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU (Jon Horstman) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4.1.19990820100858.00a4b220@pop.delphi.com> Message-ID: <37BD9BF0.72CA1A18@wcu.edu> This is a very interesting debate. A good book that discusses white space and text is "Creating Killer Web Sites" by David Siegel, 2nd. ed. I found this to be really helpful in web design. I generally try to design web pages that will look good at 640x480 and 800x600 resolutions with enough white space around the text. I don't always achieve this, but that's my goal. (I haven't really worried about resolutions higher or lower than that at this point.) Placing text and images into tables with relative widths allows the browser to adjust the web page for different resolutions. Sometimes I will set tables at an absolute 600 pixels which will look okay at both resolutions, but usually I will set them at 85 to 95% of the window so that they will adjust to the window size. An example of this is http://www.wcu.edu/library/research/govdocs. Try resizing the window to 640x480 and 800x600. It has the same look in both resolutions. Quick tip: An easy way to resize your browser screen to preview various resolutions - use bookmarklets http://www.bookmarklets.com/ Walt Howe wrote: > At 03:49 AM 19-08-99 -0700, Leonard Will wrote, in part: > >I use a 17" monitor at 1152 x 864 pixels, and I find it irritating to > >see pages that occupy the middle half of my screen with wide blank > >margins on either side, They often have text forced into narrow columns, > >requiring much more vertical scrolling than would be necessary if HTML > >had been used properly. > > I must counter your argument. I find it very irritating to be forced to > read wide columns of text that scroll across the full width of the screen. > I deliberately design text oriented pages to column widths of 400 pixels or > so for best readablilty. For readability, I would much rather scroll > vertically than have to scan my eyes back and forth horizontally. As any > speed reader will tell you, the best laid out text for reading allows the > eye to scroll vertically without much lateral motion. > > Good design will break up pages so that little vertical scrolling is > required anyway, but if I must present a long text document on one page, I > will keep the columns at a readable width. > > Walt Howe > http://www.delphi.com/pubweb/ > http://www.delphi.com/navnet/ > http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/walthowe/ -- Jon Horstman Web Services Hunter Library http://www.wcu.edu/library From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Aug 20 15:15:01 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: Services to wireless patrons? Message-ID: <000601beeb40$4cd95b60$7551cc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Our college is a IBM Thinkpad University. We will (as of the end of business today) have over 700 students with IBM Thinkpads. The campus is fully wired (at 10 MB shared capacity) in the academic buildings with internet cafes and lounges in several buildings around campus including the library. The dorms will be fully "wireless" by the end of the month with access via a wireless Raytheon network card for each laptop(at 2MB shared capacity). Is anyone else doing this and what special library services are being offered to such wireless users? -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) Past President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" -- From ladyhawk at well.com Fri Aug 20 15:23:37 1999 From: ladyhawk at well.com (GraceAnne A. DeCandido) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: <000601beeb40$4cd95b60$7551cc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <199908201924.MAA07353@smtp.well.com> Dear Bill, I have just finished a web document for the Public Library Association on Wireless Networks. I found a few in public libraries and many more on college campuses. The PLA Tech Note on Wireless isn't posted yet, but I expect it to be shortly. Here's one URL that talks about the Wireless network in Wisconsin between a public library and a local university. http://library.uwsp.edu/pcl/wireless.htm HTH, at least a bit. GraceAnne (sig file way below) > Our college is a IBM Thinkpad University. We will (as of the end of > business today) have over 700 students with IBM Thinkpads. The campus is > fully wired (at 10 MB shared capacity) in the academic buildings with > internet cafes and lounges in several buildings around campus including the > library. The dorms will be fully "wireless" by the end of the month with > access via a wireless Raytheon network card for each laptop(at 2MB shared > capacity). > Is anyone else doing this and what special library services are being > offered to such wireless users? > > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > Past President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: > Not Just Cows: > LibraryLinks: > SUNYLA: > "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" > -- > > GraceAnne A. DeCandido Blue Roses Editorial & Web Consulting, New York City ladyhawk@well.com http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/gadhome.html What's Ladyhawk reading now? http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html We're ridin' out tonight / To case the promised land. Bruce Springsteen From morganj at iupui.edu Fri Aug 20 16:21:08 1999 From: morganj at iupui.edu (morganj@iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: <000601beeb40$4cd95b60$7551cc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Our dentistry students all received laptops a couple years ago. Since many of them use our medical library, we've wired some power and network outlets in the library so they can study here. The campus had just begun to provide DHCP service at the time, so we could randomly assign an IP number to the portable when it was plugged in. The University security office regards these open network outlets as a problem, since they provide anonymous access to the Internet. Some public access areas on one of our other campuses have been working on a way to force the user to sign in with a campus ID before receiving an IP number, but I don't know how successfully. If your number of IDs is limited to 700 you might be able to give them all fixed IP numbers. We wrote a simple note on our web pages (http://www.medlib.iupui.edu/techsupport/pubip.html) to explain the outlets and how to configure a portable to use them, and posted a similar document near the outlets. We've had a few other students complain about the clicking of the keys of the portables, and we've set up some barriers to reduce sound in areas that were previously open. But otherwise there have been no problems. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Bill Drew wrote: > Our college is a IBM Thinkpad University. We will (as of the end of > business today) have over 700 students with IBM Thinkpads. The campus is > fully wired (at 10 MB shared capacity) in the academic buildings with > internet cafes and lounges in several buildings around campus including the > library. The dorms will be fully "wireless" by the end of the month with > access via a wireless Raytheon network card for each laptop(at 2MB shared > capacity). > Is anyone else doing this and what special library services are being > offered to such wireless users? > > -- > Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) > Past President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) > SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 > E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu > Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 > Homepage: > Not Just Cows: > LibraryLinks: > SUNYLA: > "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" > -- > From morganj at iupui.edu Fri Aug 20 16:24:12 1999 From: morganj at iupui.edu (morganj@iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: <000601beeb40$4cd95b60$7551cc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: Actually, in my hurried reply I didn't notice you were focused on wireless. I don't have any experience with wireless, but it sounds like it should simplify access - no data ports, just power outlets to worry about. Jim Morgan morganj@iupui.edu From mmhung at hknet.com Fri Aug 20 17:45:49 1999 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: CD tower & licenses Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990821054549.007da420@hknet.com> If the library is going to install CDTower on a networked evironment, what is the copyright issue that we have to care of? What is the network license cost for software? *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From L.Will at Willpower.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 20 17:14:54 1999 From: L.Will at Willpower.demon.co.uk (Leonard Will) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990820100858.00a4b220@pop.delphi.com> References: <4.1.19990820100858.00a4b220@pop.delphi.com> Message-ID: In article <4.1.19990820100858.00a4b220@pop.delphi.com>, on Fri, 20 Aug 1999 at 07:30:20, Walt Howe writes >At 03:49 AM 19-08-99 -0700, Leonard Will wrote, in part: >>I use a 17" monitor at 1152 x 864 pixels, and I find it irritating to >>see pages that occupy the middle half of my screen with wide blank >>margins on either side, They often have text forced into narrow columns, >>requiring much more vertical scrolling than would be necessary if HTML >>had been used properly. > >I must counter your argument. I find it very irritating to be forced to >read wide columns of text that scroll across the full width of the screen. >I deliberately design text oriented pages to column widths of 400 pixels or >so for best readablilty. >Good design will break up pages so that little vertical scrolling is >required anyway, but if I must present a long text document on one page, I >will keep the columns at a readable width. > Yes, I don't disagree with what you say. A cleanly-designed page with two or three columns of text is fine and I agree that a single column the whole width of my screen is uncomfortable because of the length of the line that has to be scanned. What I object to are fussy sites that cram vertical frames, menus, logos and tables containing bits of text, often multicoloured, into a fixed width of 800 pixels or less. The columns of text then are often a few words wide so that a single paragraph runs off the bottom of the screen. If they used relative sizes they would be able to expand where space is available and thus become more readable. As far as I know HTML cannot "flow" text into newspaper-style columns when different screen sizes are used, so it may be best to keep the main text to a single column, of perhaps 60-70% of the screen width, and use the rest to display structure, such as headings and subheadings, annotations or illustrations. Leonard Will -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)20 8372 0094 L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk ---------------- ---------------- From coffman at cerf.net Sat Aug 21 01:52:29 1999 From: coffman at cerf.net (Stephen Coffman) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:35 2005 Subject: Thanks and a follow-up on Building Earth's Largest Library Message-ID: <000801beeb99$5abe57e0$07d313ce@default> I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who emailed, faxed, phoned, wrote, and button-holed me in the hall in response to the Building Earth's Largest Library article (full text on the web at www.infotoday.com/searcher/mar/searcher.htm). Whenever possible, I have tried to respond personally to all of you who took the trouble to write me directly, but at times the response was so overwhelming that I could have missed a few in the flood. If so, please accept my apologies. The interest in the original piece so great that Barbara Quint, the editor of Searcher Magazine, twisted my arm behind my back (just kidding) until I agreed to do a follow-up article to address the many questions and issues that you raised. That is now finished, and also available full-text on the Web at www.infotoday.com/searcher/jul/searcher.htm. What interests me the most about this thing is that even though it most assuredly is a "GREAT BIG HAIRY WILD-EYED IDEA!" as one of you put it (attribution upon request)...we are very fortunate to live in a time when GREAT BIG HAIRY WILD-EYED IDEAS can actually become great big hairy wild-eyed THINGS ...and if you need any proof of this, all you have to do is look at Amazon. Should our dreams be any smaller? If you are interested in learning more about Earth's Largest Library and how it could benefit your patrons, and what it might take to pull it off, there are a couple of great programs going on this Fall. First, INCOLSA and the OCLC Regional Networks are sponsoring a nationwide satellite teleconference on Earth's Largest Library this October 28th. This will be a general presentation of the concept followed by a discussion of the issues with an in-studio reactor panel of librarians representing a variety of institutions, followed by live chat and email discussion with the audience at remote sites. For further details on this please see the INCOLSA Web site at ....http://www.incolsa.net/HTML/teleconf/coff.htm Then on November 8-11, the Internet Librarian Conference in San Diego is sponsoring a full 1 1/2 day Track on Building a Business Plan for Earth's Largest Library. Featured speakers include: Georgia Brown, VP OCLC Roy Tenant UC Berkeley Bob Doran, Senior VP Baker & Taylor Mary Jackson, "Queen" of ILL, ARL IXL Internet (the team that developed the BookSense program --- the ABA's answer to Amazon.com) George Relles, business development and pricing consultant for the online industry Mary-Ellen Mort, developer of the highly-acclaimed JobStar web site brought to you by California public libraries Ronald Wohl and Mark Haas, consultants on logistics to the USPS Ralph LeVan, Office of Research, OCLC Barbara Quint, Editor, Searcher Magazine ..and others yet to be named. For further information on the Internet Librarian Conference, please see ...http://www.infotoday.com/il99/monday.htm I look forward to meeting many of you at both of these programs. And maybe with a little luck, some hard work, and a lot of enthusiasm, we just might be able to pull something off. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks again, SC Steve Coffman Director, FYI County of Los Angeles Public Library 1-800-582-1093 562-868-4065 fax coffman@cerf.net http://colapublib.org/fyi/city From slamar at nesl.edu Sat Aug 21 09:34:18 1999 From: slamar at nesl.edu (Sandra Lamar) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:36 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: At New England School of Law I design for 800X600, and all the machines I can influence are set to that resolution. One major reason I decided this was indeed the "new standard" was that the major legal research vendors, Lexis and Westlaw, seem to require it for their software and their web sites. I have at least one professor who will not have it changed because she feels the type then becomes unreadable. So, the question I would like to append to this discussion is this -- is there any way to keep the fonts on the desktop and word processing programs large, and still have the 800 x 600 resolution? Sandy Lamar http://www.nesl.edu On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Barbara Brattin wrote: > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! > > Sandra J. Lamar Computer Services Reference Librarian New England School of Law, 154 Stuart St. Boston MA 02116 slamar@nesl.edu 617-422-7299 From cchick at earthlink.net Sat Aug 21 13:10:02 1999 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:36 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - August 20, 1999 Message-ID: <37BEDD6A.28C43D67@earthlink.net> LLRX (http://www.llrx.com) is the free legal Webzine providing current, comprehensive articles and resources for legal professionals and law librarians on research, information technology, federal legislation, marketing and communications. Editors: Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LLRX Update for August 20, 1999 CourtEXPRESS.com: The Web Enabled Document Retrieval System. Comments on the system and a reply from the CEO of CourtEXPRESS.com. (http://www.llrx.com/features/courtexpress.htm) Margaret Berkland's new Links in the News includes: an aviation safety data site; a hypertext library lingo site; a site that claims to catalog over 310,000 separate Web forum topics and indexes the biggest forum areas on the Web; a link popularity site; and a site sponsored by the Federal Election Commission on PACs. (http://www.llrx.com/links/) On the Newsstand links to articles on: litigation relating to deep linking; e-books; PCs and privacy software solutions; digital stamps; digital signatures; password mania; and keyboards that haven't kept up with the technology. (http://www.llrx.com/newstand/) LLRXalerts reports on breaking news: Amazon files suit against a copycat; the new Lexis.com; AOL and the decision on the use of the statement, "you have mail"; the first trial to be broadcast on the Web; the demise of NTIS; flaws in Office 97; and how Netscape is seriously lagging behind IE. (http://www.llrx.com/alerts/) ---------------------------------------------------------------- New Product announcement from West Group! The Standard and Deluxe Editions of Black's Law Dictionary 7th are now available for purchase. Buy directly online at http://store.westgroup.com. From duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu Sun Aug 22 18:01:06 1999 From: duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:37 2005 Subject: Tall image problem (Win98 and Netscape) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990822180106.007b9420@lafvax.lafayette.edu> This one really has me stumped. I just unpacked some brand new PCs (Gateway E-4200s) running Win98 (second edition) and Netscape Navigator (standalone, version 4.08). Whenever the browser encounters a "tall" image--one whose height requires vertical scrolling to see all of the image--a peculiar set of things happens. The initial screen looks fine, but after scrolling down a bit the image is all jumbled (for lack of a better word)--sometimes solid black; sometimes a combination of the image and other graphics on the screen (taskbar, menus, etc.); sometimes a combination of the image and one from a previous page (!); sometimes just a mess of lines. If I scroll down to where the image falls apart and surf to another page, then use the browser's back button, the page looks fine (usually) until I scroll back up then scroll down again (at which point it looks like junk again). The offending images are used as backgrounds, but the behavior is the same even when they are saved locally and viewed on their own. I tried a different version of Netscape (Communicator 4.6) and saw the same behavior. However, the images look fine in IE5 and no other display problems have been noticed. I tried altering color depth, with no change. I tried altering screen resolution, and only saw a change when res was so high that the images fit one screen. The behavior is consistent from image to image (2 gifs and 1 jpg on the three pages noted at end of message all do the same thing). The exact behavior exists on every machine I've installed (4 so far). I'd be inclined to think something is funky with the display adapters or the monitors, but wonder if they could be culprits since the images look fine in IE? (Gateway EV700 monitors; ATI Rage 128GL 16MB AGP video cards ("for NT", says the packing slip).) Any known problems of this sort out in Web4Lib land? (These are my first and only Win98 machines. My Win95 machines have no problem with the same pages, but they also have different display adapters.) Is it possible the display adapter and Netscape and/or Win98 could be disagreeing on how images are rendered? (Does IE handle images differently than Netscape?) Example pages (in case I'm not the only one afflicted): and just because I know they use big graphics: Help! Bob Duncan ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 610-330-5156 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 23 07:04:32 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Providing Internet-based sound resources for patrons Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990823070432.015b958c@panix.com> My next column in American Libraries will be about patron access to sound-based Internet resources. Does your library provide Internet-based sound resources for patrons? Are your patrons (and you) interested in and/or using streaming audio, MP3, online radio, sound archives, and other sound-based services? Do you provide sound rooms? Do you provide headphones (and how do you handle the sanitation issue)? Have you upgraded computers to make them sound-ready (and do you have any comments on that)? Do you have examples of using sound-based resources to fill reference requests? Does your library specifically proscribe sound-based resources for any reason? Have you encountered any copyright abuse incidents related to sound files? Do you have a favorite sound-based Internet resource? Have sound-based Internet resources changed your life? (Perhaps that was one question too many...) If you would like to comment, please email me no later that 9 p.m. EST Wednesday, August 25, and be sure to include your full name, title, library or organization, city and state. Thanks! ________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology, Shenendehowa Public Library, NY Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 From jharvey at irving.lib.tx.us Mon Aug 23 10:22:02 1999 From: jharvey at irving.lib.tx.us (John C Harvey) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Tall image problem (Win98 and Netscape) References: <3.0.6.32.19990822180106.007b9420@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Message-ID: <37C1590A.AB007C8E@irving.lib.tx.us> Bob Duncan wrote about the "tall image" problem encountered when running Netscape on his new Gateway systems. We have an almost identical setup--Gateway E-4200s with VX700 monitors, Win98, Netscape 4.61--and I have noticed a similar problem, except that ours manifests itself when a transparent gif is displayed. Example: http:www.irving.lib.tx.us I find that if I minimize the application, then restore, the affected image is then displayed correctly... until the next time that page is loaded, anyway. The same situation seems to occur on any page containing transparent gifs. ----(Imagine a fancy inline graphic here.)---- John C Harvey jharvey@irving.lib.tx.us "There must be more to life than having everything." --Maurice Sendak The views and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect official policies of the Irving Public Library or the City of Irving. Contents under pressure From khartman at mwc.edu Mon Aug 23 10:54:02 1999 From: khartman at mwc.edu (karen hartman) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Virginia Message-ID: Please post to the list: Instruction and Science/Business Librarian Mary Washington College seeks an experienced, dynamic librarian to work as a member of its 3-person instructional team. The candidate will serve as a liaison to selected academic departments and will report to the Director of the Library. Responsibilities include outreach, library instruction, collection development, and reference consultation. The position also includes some reference desk service with occasional weekend and evening hours. Assistance in the development and implementation of an information literacy initiative will be required. Also required is experience with reference work, Web publishing, and the development of Web-based library services. Required Qualifications: ALA-accredited MLS. Four (4) years library instruction experience in an academic library, including experience with electronic resources and database searching within the last two years. Demonstrated experience creating and maintaining Web pages in support of library services. Knowledge of computer software applications, including experience working in a networked environment. Demonstrated ability in planning, designing, and implementing new library services, projects, and procedures. Expectation of excellent interpersonal, written, and oral communication skills and interest in working in a team-managed setting. Mary Washington College is a state-supported liberal arts college with an enrollment of 3800 students. The College is located in historic Fredericksburg Virginia, 50 miles south of Washington, DC and 50 miles north of Richmond, VA. The Library is proud of its strong library instruction program and its innovative use of technology. The Library is an active participant in VIVA, the Virtual Library of Virginia consortium. See http://www.library.mwc.edu. Salary: $39,000-$43,000, dependent upon experience ; 12-month administrative faculty appointment; comprehensive benefit package including: life insurance and retirement paid in full by the College; health insurance options; professional development support; 15 vacation days in addition to eleven paid holidays per year and tuition reimbursement after one year of service. Applications accepted until October 8, 1999 by 5 p.m. Postmarks will not be honored. Send letter of application, resume, names and addresses of three current references to Karen Duffy, Chair, Library Search Committee, Mary Washington College, 1301 College Avenue, Box 615, Fredericksburg, Virginia 22401-5358. Visit the College=s web site at www.mwc.edu. Mary Washington College is deeply committed to affirmative action and encourages minorities and women to apply. From duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu Mon Aug 23 11:15:55 1999 From: duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Tall image problem -- SOLUTION FOUND Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990823111555.007a4100@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Thanks to all who suggested various possibilities re: the problem I described with Netscape rendering tall images incorrectly. I found the solution at ATI's Web site. (I know -- it probably should have been the *first* place I looked, but...) "When attempting to scroll web pages with large graphics in Netscape Navigator/Communicator the image may corrupt... ATI Technical Support has received reports from some customers that the 4.11.6114 driver release helps to reduce or eliminate the occurrence of this issue...ATI Software Engineering has been advised of the above issue and is still investigating." The updated driver worked for me (on 1 machine so far -- keep your fingers crossed). See . Bob Duncan ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 610-330-5156 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu/ From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 23 11:28:55 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Today's Mozilla Build Message-ID: I'm running on a PII with Win95 and 64mb RAM. Today's build of Mozilla sucks seems to be sucking up all the RAM within three pages. Just a warning. ----------------------------------- Michael Sauers Librarian & Internet Trainer Aurora, CO :: msauers@webpan.com http://www.webpan.com/msauers/ Listowner of the Dean Koontz e-list Join @ http://koontz.listbot.com ----------------------------------- From ras at anzio.com Mon Aug 23 12:53:12 1999 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Sandra Lamar wrote: > So, the question I would like to append to this discussion is this -- is > there any way to keep the fonts on the desktop and word processing > programs large, and still have the 800 x 600 resolution? There seems to be some confusion in general about this issue. The answer is YES. When you set your video resolution higher, but keep the same monitor, then of course the pixels get smaller. But any good Windows program, and certainly a browser, will let you change the size of text to be displayed. In IE5, for instance, go to View:Text Size. It IS possible, in web page design using Cascading Style Sheets, to specify explicit point sizes for text, but this is considered bad form. It is also possible, at the Windows level, to change the size of normal icons, within limits. Thus, I don't believe it is necessary to stick to 640x480 resolution for readability. The only exceptions I know of would be a) older "standard VGA" monitors, which can not accept varying scan rates, and b) laptops and other liquid crystal displays, which have discrete pixels. Otherwise, I recomment 800x600 for 14- and 15-inch displays, and at least 1024x768 for 17-inch. By increasing your screen resolution, then increasing your text size, you should get text of the same physical size, but made up of more dots, and therefore more readable. Finally, take a look at help features labelled as "accessibility" in Windows. There you'll find some tools for magnifying parts of the screen for people who are "ocularly challenged". -- Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Mon Aug 23 13:10:48 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Cataloging of Multimedia E-Journals Message-ID: _Re: Cataloging of Multimedia E-Journals_ This is a response to my recent posting on the "Cataloging of Multimedia E-Journals" which I posted last week. (The response was originally posted to the DIGLIBNS list on 8/18) It raises a number of related issues that were included in my post and reports on a significant study that I believe will be of interest to other lists and their members. The response below has been re-posted with permission from Deborah Woodyard, PADI / Digital Preservation National Library of Australia /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu ############### Gerry and list members, We conducted a similar survey in 1996, but from a different angle, we didn't have the titles we wanted information on but wanted to find material in our collection that contained computer disk components (see 5.2.2 in "Physical format electronic publications in the National Library of Australia: report on a preservation survey" http://www.nla.gov.au./nla/staffpaper/cwebb6.html). Your reaction to your survey results sound very familiar to me. I was surprised at the difficulty we had obtaining detailed information from the catalogue records about the electronic components. The collation field in the ILMS record for 400 items was checked for the size and number of disks included in a publication - basic information required for preservation management. Only 238 gave complete details. And this did not include checking the system requirements recorded. This information was not required under existing cataloguing guidelines for disks accompanying print materials, but a few local practices have now been modified and the result would be improved. This has highlighted the gap that may exist between information needed for current bibliographic access and that needed for long term management, raising questions about how and where the latter should be recorded. I am pleased to see the cataloguing rules are being updated gradually. See: Task Force on the Harmonization of ISBD(ER) and AACR2 Final Report (Penultimate Draft): Executive Summary revised 14 June 1999: http://www.library.yale.edu/cataloging/aacrer/tf-harm21.htm And more current Internet cataloguing guidelines available linked from the PADI web site at: http://www.nla.gov.au/padi/internet.html#cat Please excuse my possible ignorance of matters obvious to librarians, but Gerry's message inspired me to share my experience. Deborah Deborah Woodyard PADI / Digital Preservation National Library of Australia Canberra ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA mailto:dwoodyar@nla.gov.au ph: +61 2 6262 1366 PADI: http://www.nla.gov.au/padi/ From msauers at bcr.org Mon Aug 23 13:14:07 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It IS possible, in web page design using Cascading Style Sheets, > to specify > explicit point sizes for text, but this is considered bad form. First, I've heard this is bad form... Why? -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 23 13:24:58 1999 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages References: Message-ID: <00bf01beed8c$944c5f30$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Sauers To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages > > It IS possible, in web page design using Cascading Style Sheets, > > to specify > > explicit point sizes for text, but this is considered bad form. > > First, I've heard this is bad form... Why? > The default font size a user sets for his or her browser may be anywhere in a wide range of point sizes, for reasons ranging from vision problems to late afternoon eye fatigue to plain old personal preference. ".big {font-size: 125%}" will always make sense; ".big {font-size: 14pt}" won't. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From mtheobal at ihets.org Mon Aug 23 14:06:08 1999 From: mtheobal at ihets.org (Matthew Theobald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Pixel sizes for web pages Message-ID: <37C18D90.D145A78A@ihets.org> Additionally, In Netscape, by selecting Ctrl [ or Ctrl ], you are able to increase and decrease the displayed text size. But this is a pretty esoteric command. Not a good rule for usability. -Matt Bob Rasmussen wrote: > > When you set your video resolution higher, but keep the same monitor, then of > course the pixels get smaller. But any good Windows program, and certainly a > browser, will let you change the size of text to be displayed. In IE5, for > instance, go to View:Text Size. > From dmadriga at MAIL.NYSED.GOV Mon Aug 23 15:07:43 1999 From: dmadriga at MAIL.NYSED.GOV (Diane Madrigal) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Maximum file size for downloading Message-ID: Can anyone direct me to some guidelines for a maximum size for files (not html pages) that are made available for downloading? I have many relatively small files (GIS data sets) to put on our server, and I'd like to zip some of them together to reduce the number of downloads a user would have to make. Grouping files together by subject results in files ranging from 150KB to 450KB (after they are zipped), and I'm wondering if 450KB is an acceptable size for a data download, or if I should further subdivide the larger files. Diane Madrigal New York State Library From levinej at sls.lib.il.us Mon Aug 23 15:17:49 1999 From: levinej at sls.lib.il.us (Jenny Levine) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Pixel sizes for web pages References: <4352FDF71B0ED311AF1E00805F31581503DC1E@pdcwnpl.wnpl.alibrary.com> Message-ID: <37C19E5D.DE832EC9@sls.lib.il.us> One thing to note on this subject is that sometimes what you do with your computer determines what resolution you will use. I'm an experienced user, but at home I have a computer that runs mostly kids games plus Internet access. Most of the games we've bought (including new ones like the the Barbie CD-ROMs) won't run unless the resolution is set to 640 x 480 and the colors are set to 256. I know how to change the settings back and forth, but it's too much of a pain so Web surfing is done at 256 and 640. While this may not be much of a concern for an academic library, it may influence decisions made by public library webmasters who don't want to alienate an audience of parents using the library's Web site (not to mention computers in Youth Services departments). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny Levine 125 Tower Drive Internet Development Specialist Burr Ridge, IL 60521 Suburban Library System +1 (630) 734 5141 http://www.sls.lib.il.us/ levinej@sls.lib.il.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barbara Brattin wrote: > > We have an escalating argument within our home page committee which will > only be resolved by gathering learned opinions. Therefore, I come to you > for learned opinions. We are developing a new and improved web site as a > team. Some team members believe very strongly that the pages should be > created to be viewed within the 800x600 pixel setting. Their argument is, > the higher resolution is becoming a standard for commercial sites. Along > with this argument, they request that all monitors within the library be > set to this resolution. Frankly, I find this resolution to be bordering on > hard to read, and I have 20/20 vision. The other side says, there are few > times when we encounter a web page where we have to scroll right to left to > see the contents (Infotrac is the main offender) and seeing that we are > concerned with visually challenged patron access, why would we reduce the > font size for the few times that we need to adjust? They claim that 800x600 > is not the new standard, and that 640x480 is where we should be. I'm > interested in hearing from all you webmasters- what size pixel are you > designing your pages for? Why? Does anyone really know what the new > standard is? Thanks for your help! From dan at 84.com Mon Aug 23 15:30:57 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Maximum file size for downloading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990823132929.00b3cc50@dpop.micron.net> At 12:08 PM 8/23/99 -0700, Diane Madrigal wrote: >Grouping files together by subject results in files ranging from 150KB to >450KB (after they are zipped), and I'm wondering if 450KB is an acceptable >size for a data download, or if I should further subdivide the larger files. I'd suggest that you do whatever is functional for your users. If they're going to need all 450kb, then why split it up and make them do multiple downloads? When downloading software most of us routinely download files of a number of megabytes. I'd say that if I need/want something, I'm willing to wait for the download. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us Mon Aug 23 21:32:42 1999 From: holight at lakeland.lib.mi.us (Lin Light) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Lauching CDs off Webpage Message-ID: <37C1F63A.352A9838@lakeland.lib.mi.us> I'm sorry, I know some way say "Where were you the last time this was Asked?". We are are trying to use a Web-page (loaded on the C:\ not a web-Server) as a menu for both on-line resources as well as our cdrom and harddrive based products. Our reference librarian has designed a couple of very good pages, but the exe. for the cds can't be reached. The files are there, but we just can't get going. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I should add that the cds are: FOF American Indians and Landmark Documents PhoneDisc Microsoft Street Atlas LawCheck and MOIS [Michigan Occupation Information System] All work but not off a PC based home-page "the Not-so-Bright Lightman" Lin -- Lin Light Head of Technical Services/Automation Herrick District Library 300 S. River Ave. Holland, MI 49423 llight@lakeland.lib.mi.us Voice-616.355.3727 Fax-616.355.1426 From kgs at bluehighways.com Mon Aug 23 22:10:41 1999 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:38 2005 Subject: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <199908231334.GAA24946@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990823221041.01ae354c@panix.com> Apathetic? O.k., I'll bite. Some of the ideas were fun. But some of the comments were unsubstantiated, and others made wild leaps from hypothesis to conclusion. Coffman wrote, "Statistics show that less than 3 percent of the average public library’s circulation comes from interlibrary loan (Baker, 1993)." Well--but what does this prove? It might demonstrate several things: *INTRAlibrary loans work so well that loans aren't needed * The browsable physical collection is what people really want * Six-year-old statistics don't show much I'm not sure these statements are completely, exclusively true--but I don't think they're entirely or even wholly false. As for his conclusion--local databases are awful; let's use OCLC--all I can ask is, post hoc ergo propter hoc? C'mon, admit there's more it than that. As for the public library as commercial venture--oy, here we are representing one of the last bastions of public service, and someone is proposing we should sell our stuff? Other people do the commercial schtick a lot better. Not only is there nothing wrong with the traditional public library model of free service--it's a proud tradition. As for that "deadwood," yes, libraries should weed collections--but even I have an issue with wholesale abandonment of older materials. We can get too careless too soon with our history. Knock knock knock, hello Coffman? It's a LIBRARY, not a BOOKSTORE. We are LIBRARIANS, not BOOKSELLERS. We have a higher calling than making sure we have enough copies of Clancy's latest junk to turn a profit. What do we say fifty years from now when we have regained our collective senses and begun to understand how the wildly commercial Mc90's endangered so many public resources? We're sorry, we were too busy trying to turn a profit to keep copies of that author's first works? We were too excited about forthcoming formats to take care of the old ones? I don't think so. Maybe being a true-blue public servant, a purveyor of free books and services for the masses, isn't good enough for Coffman, but it is damn fine good enough for me. On the other hand, Coffman did a good job (though he is no trailblazer here) in outlining the weaknesses of the online catalog, that bloated bastion of ancient library technology. Our catalogs stink. They ARE also way overpriced. Some of this may be due to the vendors--but some of this may be due to the library profession, which sometimes (often?) puts a premium on the wrong features. Look how long it has taken most of us to go to web-based catalogs. How many of us sneak looky-loos at Amazon to enhance reader's advisory when we find something in our funky old inflexible, ugly and impersonal catalogs? And as Coffman points out--if you have to take a class on how to use a web-based database, it's not an effective tool. One of the truly funky facts of library science is that for many of us the term "library automation" meant putting the library database into electronic format... and everything else trailed a poor second at best. If we had had more perspective on it, ironically, we would have ended up with a better product. (However, that product would still not be for sale...) ________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Assistant Director of Technology, Shenendehowa Public Library, NY Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Aug 24 08:26:26 1999 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Lauching CDs off Webpage In-Reply-To: <37C1F63A.352A9838@lakeland.lib.mi.us> References: <37C1F63A.352A9838@lakeland.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: Several approaches can be found at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html in the section titled "Launching CD-ROM or Other Applications From a Web Browser". At 6:34 PM -0700 8/23/99, Lin Light wrote: >I'm sorry, I know some way say "Where were you the last time this was >Asked?". >We are are trying to use a Web-page (loaded on the C:\ not a web-Server) >as a menu for both on-line resources as well as our cdrom and harddrive >based products. Our reference librarian has designed a couple of very >good pages, but the exe. for the cds can't be reached. The files are >there, but we just can't get going. Any suggestions will be greatly >appreciated. >I should add that the cds are: > FOF American Indians and Landmark Documents > PhoneDisc > Microsoft Street Atlas > LawCheck > and MOIS [Michigan Occupation Information System] >All work but not off a PC based home-page _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman Senior Technology Librarian University of Wisconsin-Madison Library Technology Group pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu (608) 265-5291 Fiddle, n. An instrument to tickle human ears by friction of a horse's tail on the entrails of a cat. [Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_] From dbell at loc.gov Tue Aug 24 10:51:03 1999 From: dbell at loc.gov (Danna Bell-Russel) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: Announcement of New Collection from American Memory Message-ID: <37C2B157.885DEC5F@loc.gov> Good morning, This is an announcement of a new American Memory Collection which will be released TOMORROW August 25, 1999. Please accept apologies for any duplicate postings. Please direct any questions about this collection to NDLPCOLL@loc.gov "We'll Sing to Abe Our Song!" Stern Sheet Music Collection Is Latest Addition to the American Memory Historical Collections Sheet music portraying the career and death of Abraham Lincoln is the latest addition to the American Memory Historical Collections available on the Library of Congress Web site. "We'll Sing to Abe Our Song!": Sheet Music about Lincoln, Emancipation, and the Civil War from the Alfred Whital Stern Collection of Lincolniana includes more than two hundred compositions that represent Lincoln and the war as reflected in popular music. The collection spans the years from Lincoln's campaign for president in 1859 through the centenary of Lincoln's birth in 1909. This sheet music is part of a collection of Lincoln-related materials given to the Library in 1953 by Alfred Whital Stern. The Stern Collection is widely regarded as the greatest collection of Lincolniana assembled by a private individual. This addition to Mr. Lincoln's Virtual Library includes songs that show Lincoln's popularity, or lack thereof, during his campaigns, the Civil War, and after his death. Other public figures represented in the songs are Frederick Douglass, Ulysses Grant, Andrew Johnson, Jefferson Davis, and Robert E. Lee. The collection also highlights some of the advances in printing techniques, such as color lithography, that developed during this fifty-year period. It also documents some of the changes in commercial advertising during this era, such as the use of the blank pages in printed sheet music for printing music-company catalogs. The materials in this collection are available for downloading not only in JPEG format but also as GIF and archival TIFF files. Having a variety of image files available allows for the creation of high-resolution copies that can be easily printed for use in musical performances. "We'll Sing to Abe Our Song!": Sheet Music about Lincoln, Emancipation, and the Civil War from the Alfred Whital Stern Collection of Lincolniana can be accessed through the American Memory historical collections at From jo6 at evansville.edu Tue Aug 24 11:10:49 1999 From: jo6 at evansville.edu (John D. Orsborn) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: Netscape Pop-up window Message-ID: I have searched the Web4lib archive for this, but was unable to find any information. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a Netscape pop-up window which would give a brief Internet use policy statement before Netscape completes its execution. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. John D. Orsborn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John D. Orsborn Reference Librarian "Please watch out for each The University of Evansville other and love and 1800 Lincoln Avenue forgive everybody. It's Evansville, IN 47722 good life, enjoy it." ~~~~~~ Jim Henson ~~~~~~ From smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 24 11:30:38 1999 From: smcdon at rci.rutgers.edu (Samuel Mcdonald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Pop-up window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi: I assume that your 'home page' is YOUR library page, therefore, it is what is loaded when Netscape is started. If you put in the Javascript code, then it will pop-up on load. However, users will see it everytime they go 'back' to that page or click 'Home'. I suppose that one could suppress this action using cookies somehow though. Alternatively, you could have a JavaScript that you check to see if the url of your pop-up (if you did it as external HTML), was in the history list, if so, no pop when returning to the home page. This is the HTML solution, there may be some way to reprogram Netscape somehow to do this, but I don't know how. I realize that this doesn't really mean 'b4 netscape finishes execution'. I guess if you could figure out where the bitmap (I assume it is a bitmap) for the start splash graphic is located, you could edit that, perhaps even make it larger. Maybe even find out if there is a marker for how many second it is displayed. http://javascript.internet.com/navigation/customized-popup.html Here's a nifty bit of code that I saw today in a newsletter. ..make sure that you use 'onload' of course. related stuff.. Neoplanet..customizable browser built on IE4 code http://www.neoplanet.com/ or try 'Customzilla'..beta?..tryware? http://www.custombrowser.com/ --YT, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Samuel J. McDonald smcdon@rci.rutgers.edu Webmaster http://www.libraries.rutgers.edu/ Rutgers University Libraries Voice (732) 932-7505 Alexander Library, 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1163 On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, John D. Orsborn wrote: > I have searched the Web4lib archive for this, but was unable to find any > information. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a Netscape > pop-up window which would give a brief Internet use policy statement > before Netscape completes its execution. Any ideas will be greatly > appreciated. John D. Orsborn > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > John D. Orsborn > Reference Librarian "Please watch out for each > The University of Evansville other and love and > 1800 Lincoln Avenue forgive everybody. It's > Evansville, IN 47722 good life, enjoy it." > > ~~~~~~ Jim Henson ~~~~~~ > > > > From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Aug 24 11:32:15 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990823221041.01ae354c@panix.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > Apathetic? O.k., I'll bite. Some of the ideas were fun. But some of [more at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9908/0201.html ] For those Web4Lib readers wondering who called anyone apathetic, please see the PubLib posting at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/archive/9908/0291.html Karen is on Web4Lib and also co-moderates PubLib, and since Steve Coffman posted his message on both lists, Karen replied to both lists. Now on to the message. There's no question that Coffman's proposals are controversial, and that's great. No, that's *really* great. It's about darn time we had a good professional food fight over something important other than filtering. So, let if fly. But I have a request before the debate (hopefully) gets going. Let's not toss out the baby with the bath water. That is, there are aspects of Coffman's proposal that I disagree with, but there are other aspects that I think have a great deal of potential. It is the latter that I hope we can tease out of the discussion so that we have a chance to move forward. Sure, forget about selling your weeded books over the Internet if you think that's hairbrained. But don't try to tell me that the idea of one place to go to find the books you need isn't compelling, and that our users wouldn't trample over us in their haste to get there. One last thing. Coffman is right, and Karen is even more right -- our catalogs stink. No, they really, really stink. We seem to have done a decent job at creating an interface for librarians, while completely ignoring what our users really want: one search box into which they can type whatever comes into their head, and enough intelligence on the back end to do what needs to be done to come up with a reasonable result and with easy ways for the user to filter, sort, and select what they want. I work for an institution with a library catalog that has 51 (yes, count 'em) separate indexes from which to choose in "full feature" mode, since each must be available in both keyword and phrase mode (28 indexes otherwise). Our "quick search" mode offers six different indexes. And god forbid you should ever try to search on author "Shakespeare, William" and title "Hamlet". You don't find an actual copy of the book in English until record 60 or so -- three screens back. Good luck. Then, try the search "hamlet" at Amazon.com. We have made the easy thing difficult in an attempt to make the difficult thing easy. We have, in other words, stood things exactly on their head. Now, someone tell me again why we shouldn't consider very, very carefully what Steve Coffman proposes. Sure, there are parts that may not be what library patrons want or need, but I can guarantee you that a lot of it is *exactly* what they want or need. And if that is so, if we throw it all out in our disgust with parts of it, we will do so at our peril. Roy From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 24 14:23:56 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990824121848.00a68a80@dpop.micron.net> At 01:17 PM 8/20/99 -0700, morganj@iupui.edu wrote: >Our dentistry students all received laptops a couple years ago. Since >many of them use our medical library, we've wired some power and >network outlets in the library so they can study here. Boise State has some 78 net jacks (10baseT) in the library for the public to plug their laptops into. >The campus had just >begun to provide DHCP service at the time, so we could randomly assign an >IP number to the portable when it was plugged in. We do the same thing. DHCP. >The University security office regards these open network outlets as a >problem, since they provide anonymous access to the Internet. Our Computer Privacy and Security Officer (before coming here he was with a defense contractor with a Secret level computer security certification). We don't find it a problem, as the people at our public workstations in the library also have anonymous access to the internet. >Some >public access areas on one of our other campuses have been working on a >way to force the user to sign in with a campus ID before receiving an IP >number, but I don't know how successfully. If your number of IDs is >limited to 700 you might be able to give them all fixed IP numbers. With some 16,000 students that isn't an option for us, though at present the number of students with laptops and net cards is probably only three percent of that. >We wrote a simple note on our web pages >(http://www.medlib.iupui.edu/techsupport/pubip.html) to explain the >outlets and how to configure a portable to use them, and posted a similar >document near the outlets. We do the same, and have it in printed form as a handout at the reference desk. >We've had a few other students complain about the clicking of the keys of >the portables, and we've set up some barriers to reduce sound in areas >that were previously open. But otherwise there have been no problems. We have some areas that are "quiet" areas and others that are "not so quiet" (though not so labelled as the former are). The jacks are all in the "not so quiet" areas. Campus IT folks have wireless to a couple of "remote facilities" a few miles from campus, but so far none is done on the main campus. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 24 14:28:57 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990824122534.00b0f7a0@dpop.micron.net> At 08:27 AM 8/24/99 -0700, Roy Tennant wrote: >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > > > Apathetic? O.k., I'll bite. Some of the ideas were fun. But some of >[more at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9908/0201.html ] > >For those Web4Lib readers wondering who called anyone apathetic, please >see the PubLib posting at: > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/archive/9908/0291.html Well, I think apathy describes the reactions all over. There has been an attempt to get such a discussion going on pacs-l, and it, too, has met with apathy. Maybe people don't care. Maybe people are too busy with "back to school" activities. Maybe people are burned out. Maybe they figure their opinion won't make a damn bit of difference, at least in this forum. In my experience on a multitude of library lists the things that really get people going (other than Dr. Laura and filtering) are the discussions of "how we do it good in Podunk" or "how should I do such and such" (when there are differences of opinion). Other than that, Karen has indeed described it correctly. Apathy. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dsnoe at tscpl.lib.ks.us Tue Aug 24 10:22:40 1999 From: dsnoe at tscpl.lib.ks.us (Denise Snoe) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Pop-up window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199908241811.NAA22364@tscpl.lib.ks.us> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:06:45 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: jo6@evansville.edu > From: "John D. Orsborn" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape Pop-up window > I have searched the Web4lib archive for this, but was unable to find any > information. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a Netscape > pop-up window which would give a brief Internet use policy statement > before Netscape completes its execution. Any ideas will be greatly > appreciated. John D. Orsborn > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > John D. Orsborn > Reference Librarian "Please watch out for each > The University of Evansville other and love and > 1800 Lincoln Avenue forgive everybody. It's > Evansville, IN 47722 good life, enjoy it." > > ~~~~~~ Jim Henson ~~~~~~ > http://www.tscpl.org/library/kids/agree.html It consists of three parts agree.html (the Java window code) agree2.html (the page you see in window) and the index.html (the page that is the actual start page) in that sub-directory. It is Java based doesn't save any of the information from the form input and yes you can simply close it with the X in the corner. Except for the X closing it is what management wanted. Agree.html   the java from Agree2.html if you want to take a look at the pages themselves you will have to open them in an editor. Denise Snoe dsnoe@tscpl.lib.ks.us Topeka & Shawnee County Public Library 1515 SW 10th Avenue Topeka, KS 66604-1374 Voice (913) 231-0569 Fax (913) 233-2055 Standard Caveats apply From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 24 14:32:20 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Netscape Pop-up window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990824122941.00a6c530@dpop.micron.net> At 08:25 AM 8/24/99 -0700, Samuel Mcdonald wrote: >This is the HTML solution, there may be some way to reprogram Netscape >somehow to do this, but I don't know how. I realize that this doesn't >really mean 'b4 netscape finishes execution'. I guess if you could figure >out where the bitmap (I assume it is a bitmap) for the start splash >graphic is located, you could edit that, perhaps even make it larger. >Maybe even find out if there is a marker for how many second it is >displayed. We simply made such a page http://library.boisestate.edu/notice.htm and made it the default start page on all secured browsers within the library. Folks can't miss it. Of course many of them ignored it, so we put the proxy server in to block chat and email. But at least they can't say they weren't warned. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us Tue Aug 24 14:59:56 1999 From: CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us (CHRIS STENSVOLD) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: Librarian Position, Thousand Oaks, CA Message-ID: Please excuse cross-postings. There is one full-time opening in the Information Services Department of the Grant R. Brimhall Library (Main Library) of the Thousand Oaks Library System in Southern California. Duties: Under general supervision, provides library services at the professional level within the Library System. Provides reference and reader's advisory service at public desks and over the telephone. Selects print and non-print materials. Plans and presents appropriate library programs for adults and children. Plans and provides bibliographic instruction programs and on-line information searching as needed. Performs related duties as assigned. Qualifications: Knowledge of current trends, principles and practices in public library services to adults and children; principles and methods of collection development; modern library management theory and practice; general and specialized reference and bibliographic sources for both adults and children; cataloging procedures and practices; indexing procedures and modern technology practices including the use of standard on-line research sources and the Internet; reader's advisory methodology and theory; reference interview techniques and procedures, and current publishing trends. Ability to: Supervise staff and volunteers; establish and maintain good rapport with the general public and other staff; plans and presents informational or educational programs; prepare specialized bibliographies and pathfinders; interpret library policies to the public; effectively evaluate library services and programs; communicate clearly, both orally and in writing. Education and experience: Posession of an ALA-accredited Masters Degree in Library Science. At least one year of public library experience is highly desirable. A valid Class C California driver's license required. Salary range: $3331-$4048 (Pending City Council Approval) This range does not include 7% City-paid PERS contribution. Excellent Health and Retirement Benefits. The purpose of this recruitment is to establish an eligibility list from which the current vacancy as well as future full-time and hourly, part-time vacancies occurring within the next six months may be filled. Professional staff may be cross-trained in other departments within the library as assigned. Positions require evening and weekend work. Thousand Oaks, a city of more than 117,600 people, is conveniently located 39 miles west of Los Angeles, 27 miles east of Ventura, and 12 miles inland from the Pacific Ocean. The City of Thousand Oaks lies within the Conejo Valley, a picturesque, mountain-rimmed plateau, 900 feet above sea level at the Ventura/Los Angeles County Line. Average temperatures range between 65-75 degrees during summer months and 53-69 degrees during winter months; average rainfall is 14.98 inches per year. For more information about our library system and the City, visit the Library's Web page: http://www.tol.lib.ca.us Apply to: Human Resources Office, City of Thousand Oaks, 2100 Thousand Oaks Blvd, Thousand Oaks, CA 91362 (805) 449-2144 A City application and supplemental application form must be received in the Human Resources Office by Friday September 17, by 5:30 p.m. Faxed resumes/applications will not be accepted. A resume will not substitute for the supplemental application. City of Thousand Oaks Web Page: http://www.ci.thousand-oaks.ca.us/ From jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us Tue Aug 24 15:19:46 1999 From: jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us (Jane Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: IEAK Message-ID: Is any one using Internet Explorer Administration Kit to configure public internet workstations? How about using to add other security like hiding drives and the network neighborhood? It looks like from the documentation that it would work really slick but I am having trouble with it. Jane Frasier, Microcomputer Manager Jefferson County (CO) Public Library From macdonaldd at sklib.usask.ca Tue Aug 24 15:40:29 1999 From: macdonaldd at sklib.usask.ca (Doug Macdonald) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IEAK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We use the system policy files from IEAK 5 but not IEAK 5 itself (dont have a license). We import the inetres.adm, inetset.adm, and inetcorp.adm files into the System Policy Editor which is then the tool we use to configure both IE 5 settings (disabling access to "Internet Options" dialog, etc) and shell settings (like hiding dives, hiding desktop icons, etc). Doug Macdonald Programmer/Analyst University of Saskatchewan Libraries On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jane Frasier wrote: > Is any one using Internet Explorer Administration Kit to configure public > internet workstations? How about using to add other security like hiding > drives and the network neighborhood? It looks like from the documentation > that it would work really slick but I am having trouble with it. > > Jane Frasier, Microcomputer Manager > Jefferson County (CO) Public Library > > From jsweeney at libpo.ucdavis.edu Tue Aug 24 15:38:08 1999 From: jsweeney at libpo.ucdavis.edu (Jennifer Sweeney) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990824122534.00b0f7a0@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: I hope it's not apathy. Feels more like Coffman has told us that the emperor has no clothes, and guess who is feeling the breeze. I will join you out on this limb: Our users need this! Let's go for it! I am stymied on the How's of the thing myself (but it doesn't take much to do that to me in any event). Keep thinking, people. Hey, we could call it LibraryDotCom. Jen * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jennifer Sweeney Library analyst Shields Library 100 North West Quad University of California Davis, CA 95616 Phone: (530) 752-5819 FAX: (530) 752-6899 jksweeney@ucdavis.edu On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Dan Lester wrote: > At 08:27 AM 8/24/99 -0700, Roy Tennant wrote: > >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > > > > > Apathetic? O.k., I'll bite. Some of the ideas were fun. But some of > >[more at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/archive/9908/0201.html ] > > > >For those Web4Lib readers wondering who called anyone apathetic, please > >see the PubLib posting at: > > > >http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/PubLib/archive/9908/0291.html > > Well, I think apathy describes the reactions all over. There has been an > attempt to get such a discussion going on pacs-l, and it, too, has met with > apathy. Maybe people don't care. Maybe people are too busy with "back to > school" activities. Maybe people are burned out. Maybe they figure their > opinion won't make a damn bit of difference, at least in this forum. > > In my experience on a multitude of library lists the things that really get > people going (other than Dr. Laura and filtering) are the discussions of > "how we do it good in Podunk" or "how should I do such and such" (when > there are differences of opinion). > > Other than that, Karen has indeed described it correctly. Apathy. > > dan > > -- > Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? > Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 > dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ > From yarmando at ghpl.lib.oh.us Tue Aug 24 15:56:52 1999 From: yarmando at ghpl.lib.oh.us (Don Yarman) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990824122534.00b0f7a0@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: <000701beee6a$cf1115a0$4583bb83@clc.lib.oh.us> Dan Lester wrote: > Well, I think apathy describes the reactions all over. Possibly some apathy, but in my case it's more pessimism overwhelming idealism. I can't imagine my library migrating away from our big ol' expensive automation system, unless it's to another big ol' expensive system. And I can't imagine that the vendors are willing to abandon their cash cows in favor of creating something along the lines of this Amazonian ideal. I'm planning at our next regional users group meeting to ask our sales rep if they've thought about this at all. I expect that his answer will be no, they're putting their energies into merging their product lines and developing their Java-based PAC which is "better" than Amazon because blah blah blah. > Other than that, Karen has indeed described it correctly. Apathy. With me it's not so much apathy as despair. Coping with my depression by eating too many Hershey's bites, I remain in spite of everything your optimistic servant, Don Yarman Grandview Hts Public Library yarmando@ghpl.lib.oh.us From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 24 16:06:50 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990824121848.00a68a80@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: <001001beee6c$33ace4c0$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Would someone kindly explain to me how open network ports are a security issue? I tried pluggin my laptop into one at another SUNY campus and couldn't even get on the network. That seems to be pretty secure to me. All computers on our network (both wireless and wired) must go through a login onto the NT network. That inlcudes our public machines. We have a user name and pasword set up for them. The policies for those machines limit access to Internet Explorer, support programs and any installed plugins. Maybe those are considered secure ports. -- Bill Drew ; Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) drewwe@morrisville.edu "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" -- From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Tue Aug 24 16:34:00 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101beee6f$ff043940$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Anyone that knows how to hack in probably would have access available to them in other venues. I tend to believe our computer center staff when they tell us that our set up is extremely secure. Of course it helps to be out in the boondocks too. -- Bill Drew ; Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) drewwe@morrisville.edu "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" -- From mconroy at ohionet.org Tue Aug 24 16:39:26 1999 From: mconroy at ohionet.org (Mary Conroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: Oct 14 Web for Kids (Build a great web site!) Message-ID: <0DFCC88B5925D2119EDF00A0C9CE02DF202AF5@OHIONETSERVER> OHIONET Workshop Web for Kids Instructor: Gail Junion Metz Date: 10/14/99 Time: 9:30 AM-4:00 PM Location: OHIONET, 1500 West Lane Ave. Columbus Ohio Improve content and learning on your website! So you have a Website for the kids in your library (or are in the process of planning and creating one...)?! Want some ideas for "kicking your site up a notch"? This workshop will discuss how to evaluate and select materials for your website, structure your website in new and different ways, build tutorials for kids, their parents, and homeschoolers...and also cover other education options you can include in your website. We'll also cover building interactivity into your website, so kids can do more than just passively read Web-based content...and also how to get kids actively involved in help you "build" your Website in the future. Come learn how to make your site more active, fun, and educational for the kids in your library. Audience: School librarians, media specialists, childrens librarians, webmasters. Prerequisite: Experience using the web. Familiarity with creating a web page is helpful. OHIONET Member cost: $85 (InfOhio schools need to prepay) Non-Members: $105 (must prepay) To register, click on: http://198.30.145.240/ohionet/workshops/view_desc.asp?ID=352 or go to: http://register.ohionet.org If you have a question about registration, please contact Barb at OHIONET barb@ohionet.org Mary Mlynar Conroy Library Services Coordinator OHIONET, 1500 West Lane Ave, Columbus OH 43221 Fax 614/486-1527 voice 800/686-8975 (OH,PA) or 614/486-2966 ext 16 mailto:mconroy@ohionet.org From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 24 16:45:22 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990824122534.00b0f7a0@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990824142302.00b0ca80@dpop.micron.net> At 12:38 PM 8/24/99 -0700, Jennifer Sweeney wrote: >Hey, we could call it LibraryDotCom. That's already gone. The Library Corporation (TLC) is library.com Of course since they do OPACs and other library technology, they just might be interested...... dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From dan at 84.com Tue Aug 24 16:50:11 1999 From: dan at 84.com (Dan Lester) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:42 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Services to wireless patrons? In-Reply-To: <001001beee6c$33ace4c0$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990824144656.00b1ebe0@dpop.micron.net> At 01:02 PM 8/24/99 -0700, Bill Drew wrote: >Would someone kindly explain to me how open network ports are a security >issue? I tried pluggin my laptop into one at another SUNY campus and >couldn't even get on the network. That seems to be pretty secure to me. >All computers on our network (both wireless and wired) must go through a >login onto the NT network. That is because your network is NT based and requires a logon. That isn't universally true, however. Our users (and staff, for that matter) can access the full internet with IP numbers obtained by DHCP, whether they logon to a Novell or NT server or not. (Some logon to one, the other, both, or multiple servers, depending on their needs and permissions) > That inlcudes our public machines. We have a >user name and pasword set up for them. Our public machines operate the same way as staff, except they have NO network logons. You can get to internet through the proxy server, but that is it. >The policies for those machines >limit access to Internet Explorer, support programs and any installed >plugins. Maybe those are considered secure ports. I wouldn't say the ports are secure, but the machines are, within the limits of whatever you use for security on them. But since you require a logon, no one else can sit down with their laptop, plug into the network jack, and do anything, apparently. dan -- Good, Fast, and Cheap: Which two of the three would you like? Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716 USA 208-383-0165 dan@84.com http://www.84.com/ http://www.postcard.org/ From quinn at indexdata.dk Wed Aug 25 06:51:26 1999 From: quinn at indexdata.dk (Sebastian Hammer) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990824142302.00b0ca80@dpop.micron.net> Message-ID: <199908251032.MAA00764@bagel.indexdata.dk> Hi, I actually think that in many cases, the response is not silence, and neither is it despair. It's more like "hey, what do you think we have been trying to do for the past 30 years?" I saw nothing new in Coffman's article, but there was a lot of gumption there, and a provocative, down-to-earth language which may do the cause good and raise some attention. But again, nothing new. Go to your favorite web search engine and fire off a search on "digital libraries", Z39.50, automated interlibrary loan.... you'll come across lots of people who are chewing away at the same problem from many different corners. They're chewing away at it as opposed to just solving it with one deft stroke because the problem space is huge - and a lot more complex than Coffman has space to acknowledge in his piece. They're chewing away at it slowly, in part because libraries are not a high-visibility, big-money type of business domain. But please, credit where credit was due. Libraries were dealing in things like "metadata" literally centuries before it became a buzzword on the Internet. They were also some of the first groups to implement computerized information retrieval systems dealing with structured metadata. That's good, because it means there's a lot of practical experience to draw on. That is sometimes a hassle because some of our user interface paradigms show their age and could use an update - but that is a cosmetic issue, not a structural one. In my work, I see a lot of individual libraries and organisations very busily re-orienting themselves towards an information world that revolves in part around the Internet and related services, and a world, perhaps, where some of the traditional functions of libraries are handled by big bookstore chains (eg. providing a space for people to hang out around books). Different regions and countries will progress this at different paces, but the infrastructure for the universal library (online and offline) is slowly coming together, and heck, some days I think it may just give Amazon.com a run for its money. Meanwhile, it's up to patrons as well as librarians to make demands on funding and coordinating agencies *as well* as system vendors. --Sebastian -- Sebastian Hammer Index Data ApS Ph.: +45 3536 3672 Fax: +45 3536 0449 ICQ# : 3478927 From mplatt at kennesaw.edu Wed Aug 25 09:35:26 1999 From: mplatt at kennesaw.edu (Mary Platt) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Kernel32.dll Message-ID: I have been trying to upgrade Netscape to 4.51 on our public internet machines. I have done 2 so far and both result in an error when Netscape closes down that says it produced a fault in Kernel32.dll. Netscape seems to work well enough, the error only comes up when you exit or close NS. But the error is unsettling and I would like to solve this before continuing to update the others. I've tried a complete uninstall & reinstalling, getting a fresh copy of NS 4.51, turning off McAfee, turning off Fortres. All the tricks in my arsenal. Any advice? Thanks ! Mary Platt, MS, MHP Assistant Librarian Coordinator of Electronic Reference Services Kennesaw State University 1000 Chastain Road Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-423-6197 mplatt@kennesaw.edu From mplatt at kennesaw.edu Wed Aug 25 10:31:51 1999 From: mplatt at kennesaw.edu (Mary Platt) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kernel32.dll Message-ID: Andrew, I cannot go beyond 4.51 at this time because that is the highest version that will support FAFSE, the web site that students use to submit their federal financial aid applications. I have 4.08, but cannot use it on these machines because it does not have the e-mail function. I believe it is navigator only. As I've discussed on the list before, we have a heavily used service that uses the browser's e-mail feature to e-mail documents. Your next posting here referencing the netscape netcenter may be the key! thanks so much >>> Andrew Mutch 08/25/99 10:13AM >>> Mary, I'm not sure if this will help but the most recent version on Communicator is 4.61. What do you have currently running on those machines?? It might be possible to run the smart update to save you a long download. Also, for public machines, I like to use the stand-alone version, 4.08, which is very stable. Andrew Mutch Library Systems Technician Waterford Township Public Library Waterford, MI Mary Platt wrote: From lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu Wed Aug 25 10:41:01 1999 From: lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu (Laura Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <199908251032.MAA00764@bagel.indexdata.dk> Message-ID: <01JF6JRAJSS295MYHX@cnsvax.albany.edu> One thing that strikes me about Coffman's proposal is that it is infused with the ethos of the public library, rather than the academic, special or other type of library. I do take Roy Tennant's point about the complexity of the OPAC in his large academic institution, and of course I don't consider that different types of libraries are mutually exclusive in their concerns. And of course, I realize that not all public librarians are agreeing with Coffman! But, I've been thinking about the following: 1) Coffman seems to envision the Earth's Largest Library (ELL) as primarily book-oriented. I would guess that his proposal would work best if this remained the case in the years to come. We all know this won't be so. The role of the OPAC is changing. 2) With local OPACs taking on more and more electronic items (including the freebies on the Web), I see the ELL as quite a challenge to navigate. I hope this catalog would have the capacity to limit a search to an index, say, for books only. In fact, I wonder if such a catalog would have less indexes than the Berkeley catalog, when in fact it might need more. What about an index for the electronic databases and e-journals accessible only to the students here at the University at Albany, with a link to our proxy server instructions for off-campus access? Or, should we stop putting electronic items in the OPAC for the sake of the ELL? And if so, how should we be building and creating access to our local lists? 3) I can envision us getting inundated with requests from people who have not read the ELL record carefully and are requesting ILL for reference books, books in our special collections unit, building-only books, and other types of materials that don't circulate. This sort of thing happens now, but the floodgates would really open if the catalog of the ELL is all that anyone had access to. For this reason, I can't see that our ILL staffs would need to be cut down as drastically as Coffman envisions. 4) Many people just want to see the holdings of their local library, the one they are in at this very moment. They simply want to go into the stacks and get a book off the shelf. Let's not forget the needs of these folks. How easy will it be to identify these items in the ELL? In other words, I keep thinking about the fact that libraries are: - local institutions - providing access to an increasing number of electronic products that are available to (local) affiliated users only Maybe I lack a certain type of vision or imagination, but I'm having a difficult time fitting this in with Coffman's one-size-fits-all proposal. -- Laura Cohen __________________________ Laura B. Cohen Network Services Librarian University at Albany Libraries Albany, NY 12222 518-442-3492 LCOHEN@cnsvax.albany.edu 518-442-3567 (FAX) From Jhamblet at nmu.edu Wed Aug 25 11:58:47 1999 From: Jhamblet at nmu.edu (John Hambleton, Academic Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kernel32.dll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990825115847.006b26f0@pop.mail.nmu.edu> I've run into this: Shutting off "graphics card acceleration" in Windows Control Panel/Display/Settings worked for me. Mr. H At 06:53 AM 8/25/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I have been trying to upgrade Netscape to 4.51 on our public internet machines. > I have done 2 so far and both result in an error when Netscape closes down that > says it produced a fault in Kernel32.dll. Netscape seems to work well enough, > the error only comes up when you exit or close NS. But the error is unsettling > and I would like to solve this before continuing to update the others. > >I've tried a complete uninstall & reinstalling, getting a fresh copy of NS > 4.51, turning off McAfee, turning off Fortres. All the tricks in my arsenal. > >Any advice? > >Thanks ! > >Mary Platt, MS, MHP >Assistant Librarian >Coordinator of Electronic Reference Services >Kennesaw State University >1000 Chastain Road >Kennesaw, GA 30144 >770-423-6197 >mplatt@kennesaw.edu > > *************************************************** * John S. 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Thank you. ************************ Bill Mickey Associate Editor ONLINE magazine Online Inc. billm@onlineinc.com http://www.onlineinc.com ******************************************* Online Inc. is publisher of ONLINE, EContent, and EMedia magazines; and producer of Intranets, VirComm, DVD Pro, Buying & Selling EContent, and the Online World Conference & Expo ******************************************* From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Aug 25 12:21:39 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: <01JF6JRAJSS295MYHX@cnsvax.albany.edu> Message-ID: First of all, let me say thank god we're finally talking about these issues. Frankly, I can think of no more important topic to be debating than how we should be presenting our resources to our users. Those of you who have been lurking, waiting for someone else to say what you feel, please stop lurking and jump in. There is likely no one better to make your point than you. On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Laura Cohen wrote: >2) With local OPACs taking on more and more electronic items (including >the freebies on the Web), I see the ELL as quite a challenge to navigate. >I hope this catalog would have the capacity to limit a search to an >index, say, for books only. In fact, I wonder if such a catalog would >have less indexes than the Berkeley catalog, when in fact it might need >more. I have a real problem with the index model of searching, which puts the onus on the user to decide what to choose BEFORE they search. Why not present the results in different categories, each with a brief explanation of the kind of material they will find there? >3) I can envision us getting inundated with requests from people who have >not read the ELL record carefully and are requesting ILL for reference >books, books in our special collections unit, building-only books, and >other types of materials that don't circulate. If ILL requests were initiated via computer, rather than paper as is often the case now, you can prevent these requests from happening (books would be flagged as not being requestable). > 4) Many people just want to see the holdings of their local library, the > one they are in at this very moment. They simply want to go into the > stacks and get a book off the shelf. Let's not forget the needs of these > folks. How easy will it be to identify these items in the ELL? I could not agree more. But let's remember that we already have this information in our hands. For example, OCLC's WorldCat database knows who has what. What about an interface that would sort the results into two folders: one with holdings at your local library (or libraries, some of us have borrowing privileges at more than one), one for holdings at libraries within a 50 mile radius, and another for the rest? What I've described is technically feasible NOW. The bottom line here is that regardless of the relative merits or demerits of the particular vision Steve Coffman has advanced, we must think *imaginatively* ("out of the box") about these issues. If you don't agree with that, then we're really, really in trouble. Roy From abramson at libraryserver.lib.csus.edu Wed Aug 25 12:26:05 1999 From: abramson at libraryserver.lib.csus.edu (Alicia Abramson) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: More MS sabatoge of Netscape? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990825092605.007baea0@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu> Has anyone else experienced difficulty viewing Microsoft sites with Netscape browsers? I have Netscape 4.61 and it keeps loosing it on the MSNBC web site. Specifically, I loose the ability to click on hypertext links (I can click, but the new page isn't opened), and closing and re-opening the browser doesn't solve the problem--I have to restart the PC. I do have the necessary MS plugins for this site. Also, earlier in the summer, one day I suddenly lost the ability to search the Microsoft support site --the pull down menus and text entry boxes just didn't appear on the screen. That seems to be resolved, for now, by upgrading to the latest version of Netscape. Does anyone have any information about known bugs with Netscape and MS ASP pages? Since Microsoft seems to be providing ever more content on the Web, if it is a purposely built in incompatibility, it would seem users are forced to use Internet Explorer to view these sites. Of course this poses a problem for libraries--the choices seem to be, just use IE on public terminals, or constantly upgrade Netscape as these incompatibilities are discovered. Last, it seems disingenous to me for Microsoft to be making a case for "open standards" when it comes to instant messaging at the same time as they are constantly thwarting HTML standards. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Alicia Abramson Director, Library Information Systems University Library California State University, Sacramento abramson@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From JoBarker at dwu.edu Wed Aug 25 12:59:03 1999 From: JoBarker at dwu.edu (Barker, Jodie) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More MS sabatoge of Netscape? Message-ID: <805394931DBDD21181F800600814A8F3020361@dwuexchange.dwu.edu> I have not experienced this particular problem, but I do know that when putting up a new page it is a very good idea to check how it displays on both Netscape and Explorer. Explorer seems to be much more sensitive and tends to balk at what should be standard html code. Very annoying! Jodie ********* Jodie Barker Public Services/ILL Librarian Layne Library Dakota Wesleyan University (DWU) 1200 West University Mitchell SD 57301 (605) 995-2619 jobarker@dwu.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Alicia Abramson [SMTP:abramson@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:28 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] More MS sabatoge of Netscape? > > Has anyone else experienced difficulty viewing Microsoft sites with > Netscape browsers? I have Netscape 4.61 and it keeps loosing it on the > MSNBC web site. Specifically, I loose the ability to click on hypertext > links (I can click, but the new page isn't opened), and closing and > re-opening the browser doesn't solve the problem--I have to restart the > PC. > I do have the necessary MS plugins for this site. [text deleted] > Last, it seems disingenous to me for Microsoft to be making a case for > "open standards" when it comes to instant messaging at the same time as > they are constantly thwarting HTML standards. > > > > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Alicia Abramson > Director, Library Information Systems > University Library > California State University, Sacramento > abramson@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From msauers at bcr.org Wed Aug 25 14:28:46 1999 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Coughing up Coffman Message-ID: Having been mentioned yesterday I just read the article "Building Earth's Largest Library: Driving into the Future" by Steve Coffman. (If you haven't you should.) Two comments: 1-If anyone is looking to start, count me in! 2-I agree that most people have no idea about ILL or it is too restrictive. I run an e-list dealing with the author Dean Koontz. There are currently about 100 subscribers from around the world, but most are in the US. I recently found some of his old published college writings by e-mailing the head of reference @ the college (in PA.) She gladly sent me the material directly but requested that if others are interested that they don't contact the college directly and have the request go through official ILL channels. I posted this to the list and received two types of replies: "My local PL won't ILL that far away" and "What's Inter-Library Loan." What I would like to know is how many of you (since I don't currently work in a library) actually offer to ILL items for patrons if they don't specifically ask for it? If not, why not. (For a little perspective, I come from a bookselling background, working for more than ten years in independents and chains, both as a bookseller and management, with a strong customer-service ethic.) -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org http://www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ Buy books, music or videos online? http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. --------------------------------------------------------- From annp at iname.com Wed Aug 25 14:40:34 1999 From: annp at iname.com (Ann Perbohner) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Linkbank Message-ID: <000601beef29$5dd0dfa0$870601c8@pb01trap.pmhs.org> Has anyone used www.linkbank.net to manage web-based URLs? Do you know of similar link banking services offered by anyone else? Ann Perbohner MLIS Brady Library Mercy Hospital 1400 Locust St. PH:412-232-5611 Pittsburgh PA 15219 FX:412-232-8422 From nppublib at emh1.pa.net Wed Aug 25 15:03:12 1999 From: nppublib at emh1.pa.net (Jeanne Heicher) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Coughing up Coffman Message-ID: <37C43DF0.36070ED4@emh1.pa.net> In regard to Michael Sauers' post, our library is small, and located in a rural area. We go to any length to get books and/or other materials that patrons request. Our ILL activity is a significant part of our circulation. We ALWAYS suggest ILL whenever a patron needs/would like materials that are not located in our holdings. It has always been my understanding that this is an integral part of customer service. Besides that, staff routinely lend books from home, as they can be circulated for a longer period of time than a standard ILL. This has resulted in great patron relations, and greater private community support for our library, as well the formation of many close friendships. And we have never had a personally owned book kept overdue. I think that the importance given to ILL is in inverse proportion to the size of the collection; the larger, better funded libraries tend to think less of using the ILL service than the smaller ones who really depend upon it to flesh out their collections. I guess it is chiefly a matter of economics. Jeanne Heicher -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Newport Public Library Hours: 316 N. 4th St. Newport PA 17074 Mon.& Wed 1-8PM (717)567-6860 FAX(717)567-3373 Tues.& Thurs. 10AM-5PM http://www.pa.net/nppublib Fri. 1-5PM Sat. 10-noon Thank you for supporting your community library. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Aug 25 15:03:52 1999 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Bill Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901beef2c$928d8420$225dcc88@drewwe.morrisville.edu> Steve Coffman has obviously written a piece to rock the boat and to get people thinking. H emakes many good points but also ignores reality in a good many places. I really like his ideas for enhancing the catalog with images of book jackets and with reviews from readers. Some of his other ideas (technical side) are good. One problem. He doesn't understand the reality of the library world or even the information technology industry. How in the world would you ever get every single library that is automated to agree on a common set of features let alone giving up limited funds for the development of such a system? He clearly has a prejudice toward fee based services. When did the free public library change from being a social good to a social evil? I don't think it has. On ILL, he clearly doesn't understand limited funding and clearly has no idea how libraries otuside of LAPL are funded or governed. I do thank Stve for getting us to think. We need to have our ideas challenged. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) Past President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: "It's All About Where You're Goin' -- SUNY Morrisville" -- From pdeane at rla.lib.il.us Wed Aug 25 15:14:20 1999 From: pdeane at rla.lib.il.us (Paul Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kernel32.dll Message-ID: <01BEEF04.2048C460.pdeane@rla.lib.il.us> I just upgraded to Netscape 4.6 and have the same problem. I went to the Netscape FAQ page and followed all their suggestions to no avail. Our consultant says Kernel32.dll error is shorthand for there is no solution. I would love to hear if anybody finds a fix. Paul Deane -----Original Message----- From: Mary Platt [SMTP:mplatt@kennesaw.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 8:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Kernel32.dll I have been trying to upgrade Netscape to 4.51 on our public internet machines. I have done 2 so far and both result in an error when Netscape closes down that says it produced a fault in Kernel32.dll. Netscape seems to work well enough, the error only comes up when you exit or close NS. But the error is unsettling and I would like to solve this before continuing to update the others. I've tried a complete uninstall & reinstalling, getting a fresh copy of NS 4.51, turning off McAfee, turning off Fortres. All the tricks in my arsenal. Any advice? Thanks ! Mary Platt, MS, MHP Assistant Librarian Coordinator of Electronic Reference Services Kennesaw State University 1000 Chastain Road Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-423-6197 mplatt@kennesaw.edu From gjohnson at popmail.lmu.edu Wed Aug 25 15:19:14 1999 From: gjohnson at popmail.lmu.edu (Glenn Johnson-Grau) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] More MS sabatoge of Netscape? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990825121914.007bd4c0@lmumail.lmu.edu> I have just noticed this problem with Communicator 4.61, tested on several machines. I went to the Fortres site () and noticed that some of the links would not work in Netscape, but worked fine in IE. At first I assumed that it was a problem with Fortres' html and was going to write to them. What is particularly weird is that on the Fortres page, there are two links with the identical html. It reads Master Lock by Fortres Grand Corporation and -more- The link on the first one only works on the characters "ck by", meaning if you click on "Master" or "Lo" or "Fortres Grand Corporation" you get nothing, but if you click on "ck by" it works. And if you click on "-more-" it works. I've also had pages where the links don't work, even after restarting Communicator, unless I reboot the machine. Are these more general problems with Communicator 4.61 or am I missing something? Thanks. --Glenn > >Has anyone else experienced difficulty viewing Microsoft sites with >Netscape browsers? I have Netscape 4.61 and it keeps loosing it on the >MSNBC web site. Specifically, I loose the ability to click on hypertext >links (I can click, but the new page isn't opened), and closing and >re-opening the browser doesn't solve the problem--I have to restart the PC. > I do have the necessary MS plugins for this site. > >Also, earlier in the summer, one day I suddenly lost the ability to search >the Microsoft support site --the pull down menus and text entry boxes just >didn't appear on the screen. That seems to be resolved, for now, by >upgrading to the latest version of Netscape. > >Does anyone have any information about known bugs with Netscape and MS ASP >pages? Since Microsoft seems to be providing ever more content on the Web, >if it is a purposely built in incompatibility, it would seem users are >forced to use Internet Explorer to view these sites. Of course this poses >a problem for libraries--the choices seem to be, just use IE on public >terminals, or constantly upgrade Netscape as these incompatibilities are >discovered. > >Last, it seems disingenous to me for Microsoft to be making a case for >"open standards" when it comes to instant messaging at the same time as >they are constantly thwarting HTML standards. > > > > >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Alicia Abramson >Director, Library Information Systems >University Library >California State University, Sacramento >abramson@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Glenn Johnson-Grau Networked Resources/Reference Librarian Loyola Marymount University Los Angeles, CA 90045-8200 (310)338-6063 gjohnson@lmumail.lmu.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Aug 25 15:20:31 1999 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: International ISPs needed (fwd) Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Alisa Whitt , please respond directly to her. Roy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:12:33 -0400 From: Alisa Whitt Subject: International ISPs needed Every semester faculty on sabbatical ask the same question: how can I get my campus email abroad? With services like Hotbot, the question is almost easy to answer. This still doesn't address the need for an international Internet Service Provider. Specifically, I have a faculty member travelling in London & India. Any recommendations, good or bad, from the group? Please respond directly to me -- I'm not on the web4lib list. I'll be happy to summarize if you like. Thanks! Alis -- Alisa Whitt Academic Computing Specialist Coordinator (843) 953-7998 voice College of Charleston, SC 29424 (843) 953-2461 fax whitta@cofc.edu From absher at sequent.com Wed Aug 25 15:36:55 1999 From: absher at sequent.com (Absher, Linda (absher)) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Coffman and ILL Message-ID: <0593FCC88F76D2118B4400E029249BD90584AAD0@wingnut.sequent.com> The ILL issue is one that's been bugging me for years: in various incarnations, I've supervised an ILL department as well as worked at reference desks for public and academic libraries. And in every situation, it's the rare patron who understands the concept of ILL; those who do are people who've been using it for years. I routinely offer the service whenever a patron cannot find materials in the library, but in 90% of the cases, the user just looks at me blankly. If they have heard of it, they tend to think that they have to pay a lot of money for the service or that they have to tell you which library they want to order the materials from. I haven't done any research into this issue, but a have a few theories: 1.) Most patrons view libraries as places in which the only services/materials offered are the ones within the physical setting itself. In short, if it ain't there, then you're out of luck; 2.) Libraries don't fit a business/corporate model: this is related to the point above. People expect for-profit companies to provide services such as calling other stores for goods not available, but they don't expect that behavior from libraries. Whether that stems from the fact that libraries are seen as quasi-governmental institutions, I don't know. 3.) The uncertainty/arcaneness of ILL: after you offer the service, the first question generally is "when can I get it?" I then find I lose the patron's interest when I try to explain how the system works, and how it's up to our workload, the other library's workload, etc. Most companies offer their customers a ballpark estimate as to when they'll receive an item--we as a profession don't. Does that make it acceptable? I do think that a lot of users view libraries as institutions that cannot handle unusual requests and services, which is how they view ordering materials outside their own library. I'll bet the customers don't see amazon.com that way. This is my two cents, BTW.... LInda -- Linda Absher / absher@sequent.com / 503.578.3485 Intranet Librarian / Sequent Computer Systems / Beaverton, OR "The more I read, the more questions I have. Every time I pass a library I get an anxiety attack." --SeaQuest DSV > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Sauers [SMTP:msauers@bcr.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:25 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coughing up Coffman > > Having been mentioned yesterday I just read the article "Building Earth's > Largest Library: Driving into the Future" by Steve Coffman. > (If you haven't you > should.) > > Two comments: > > 1-If anyone is looking to start, count me in! > > 2-I agree that most people have no idea about ILL or it is too restrictive. > I run an e-list dealing with the author Dean Koontz. There are currently > about 100 subscribers from around the world, but most are in the US. I > recently found some of his old published college writings by e-mailing the > head of reference @ the college (in PA.) She gladly sent me the material > directly but requested that if others are interested that they don't > contact > the college directly and have the request go through official ILL channels. > I posted this to the list and received two types of replies: "My local PL > won't ILL that far away" and "What's Inter-Library Loan." > > What I would like to know is how many of you (since I don't currently work > in a library) actually offer to ILL items for patrons if they don't > specifically ask for it? If not, why not. > > (For a little perspective, I come from a bookselling background, working > for > more than ten years in independents and chains, both as a bookseller and > management, with a strong customer-service ethic.) > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org > http://www.bcr.org/~msauers > The WWW Library Directory is @ > http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Buy books, music or videos online? > http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer > Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) > Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org > http://www.bcr.org/~msauers > The WWW Library Directory is @ > http://www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ > Buy books, music or videos online? > http://www.acses.com/?partner=1307 > Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. > --------------------------------------------------------- From shelleyv at kcls.org Wed Aug 25 16:00:32 1999 From: shelleyv at kcls.org (Shelley Voie) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Article: Big Brother, Big 'Fun' at Amazon Message-ID: <000101beef34$7d257fe0$572268c6@Belevue_domain.kcls.org> http://www.wired.com/news/news/news/business/story/21417.html From mplatt at kennesaw.edu Wed Aug 25 16:14:01 1999 From: mplatt at kennesaw.edu (Mary Platt) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Kernerl32.dll Message-ID: I believe I found the solution! While trying the fixes that came up on the list, I discovered that I do not get the error if prefs.js is not read only. I had this file read only both by properties and by fortress. When this was removed.. no error. Now I have to figure out how else I can protects prefs.js. I set up a batch file to pull down a fresh copy off the server on reboot. That is the best I can do for now. Any other ideas? Mary From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Aug 25 17:00:29 1999 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: New Book: _The LaTeX Web Companion: Integrating TeX, HTML, and XML_ Message-ID: To Web4Libers As one with an interest and concern about legacy formats and data, I was pleased to learn about _The LaTeX Web Companion: Integrating TeX, HTML, and XML_ , a book recently received here at Iowa State. Please find below the essential bibliographic information as well as a Back Cover summary and profile. [This posting is informational and does not constitute an endorsement of the book or its publisher] /Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu _The LaTeX Web Companion: Integrating TeX, HTML, and XML_ Michel Goossens, Sebastian Rahtz, Eitan Gurari, Ross Moore and Robert Sutor Publisher: Addison-Wesley ISBN: 0-201-43311-7 Binding: Paper Pages: 560 Copyright: 1999 Series: Tools and Techniques for Computer Typesetting Price: $36.95 _Back Cover Text_: This book shows how you can publish LaTeX documents on the Web. LaTeX was born of the scientist's need to prepare well-formatted information, particularly with pictures and mathematics included; the Web was born of the scientist's need to communicate information electronically. Until now, it has been difficult to find solutions that address both needs. HTML and today's Web browsers deal inadequately with the nontextual components of scientific documents. This book, at last, describes tools and techniques for transforming LaTeX sources into Web formats for electronic publication, and for transforming Web sources into LaTeX documents for optimal printing. You will learn how to: Make full use of Acrobat with LaTeX Convert existing documents to HTML or XML Use mathematics in Web applications Use LaTeX to prepare Web pages Read and write simple XML/SGML Produce high-quality printed pages from Web-hosted XML or HTML pages You will find practical descriptions of: LaTeX2HTML, which uses Perl to interpret LaTeX source and generate HTML TeX4ht, which redefines LaTeX's macros to generate HTML or XML Browser plugins, such as techexplorer, that are able to interpret mathematical markup directly Tools for authoring and interpreting XML Tools for translating XML into various output formats, using Cascading Style Sheets, DSSSL, or XSL Mathematical Markup Language (MathML) In addition to giving the Internet location of the software described in this book, the authors also provide a full, annotated catalogue of URLs for the standards and documentation relating to this fast-moving area. Many of the packages and programs described in this book are freely available in public software archives, and the source code for examples has been placed on CTAN, the TeX archives. From cmclean at paradyne.com Wed Aug 25 17:35:14 1999 From: cmclean at paradyne.com (CD McLean) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:47 2005 Subject: Coffman and ILL References: <199908252048.NAA08134@webjunction.org> Message-ID: <37C46192.7ED2D12D@paradyne.com> > Hi, I work as a solo librarian in a corporate library and ILL is very important, but as Linda Absher pointed out, most patrons know nothing about or are very confused about how it works. One of Linda's points was: 3.) The uncertainty/arcaneness of ILL: after you offer the service, the first question generally is "when can I get it?" I then find I lose the patron's interest when I try to explain how the system works, and how it's up to our workload, the other library's workload, etc. Most companies offer their customers a ballpark estimate as to when they'll receive an item--we as a profession don't. Does that make it acceptable? This point really gets to the heart of my problem with the current ILL system. Most of the libraries will only deal with you in writing. So that means I have to use snail mail and get a snail mail reply on something my engineer needs yesterday. It has only been recently that the libraries around me have been accepting a faxed ILL form. They seem to be ignoring the technology that could actually generate them some money. If, as I am beginning to understand, Coffman's proposal is more profit driven (which in and of itself is not a bad thing), why can't the compromise be that those who want it faster and are willing to pay for it, can get it faster? What I see is that everyone is forced to wait in the snail mail line. I would gladly pay to have my ILL expedited for those rush needs and I would gladly wait for snail mail on those items of lesser importance. The libraries could still provide the free ILL and also make money by providing a fee-based service based on priority levels alone. But what I really want to see is online acceptance of ILL requests. I would like to see a system that acknowledges my request, when it was received, what the estimated ship out date is and also notifies me when it gets shipped. I would like to be given a tracking number that I can use to see where my ILL request is in the queue. All of these things are possible. I hope one day they happen. Stepping off my soapbox now... CD -- CD McLean Research Librarian/Library Services Manager Paradyne Corp. cmclean@paradyne.com 8545 126th Ave. N. Largo, FL 33773 727-530-8206 (phone) 727-532-5949 (fax) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Patty Zurbrick and I will be running the Disney marathon Jan. 9th for the Leukemia Society. We need your support to be successful. For more info: www.gnosiweb.com/marathon Thanks, cd mclean +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From walthowe at delphi.com Wed Aug 25 17:40:27 1999 From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] KERNEL32.DLL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990825172912.00ab2e50@pop.delphi.com> If you are using Windows 95, look in the WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory to see the date of the KERNEL32.DLL file. If it is dated prior to 2/2/96, it is an old, buggy version that lost memory quickly without returning it from programs that were closed. Microsoft has a replacement for it that is hard to find today, but it is still available at this address: http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/wuadmintools/s_wunetwo rkingtools/w95kernel32/default.asp (all one line) Everyone using Windows 95 should check this file. It makes a big difference. See my file on dealing with Windows problems while using browsers at http://www.delphi.com/navnet/gpf.html Walt Howe, walthowe@delphi.com Delphi Web Publishing Specialist http://www.delphi.com/navnet/ http://www.delphi.com/pubweb/ http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ Walt Howe http://www.delphi.com/pubweb/ http://www.delphi.com/navnet/ http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ http://people.ne.mediaone.net/walthowe/ From kimlord at suffield-library.org Wed Aug 25 18:05:58 1999 From: kimlord at suffield-library.org (Kim Lord) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:49 2005 Subject: Coffman and ILL Message-ID: <199908251805875.SM00228@reference> Hello all, That seems to be a common problem, patrons just not being aware of the services that are available to them and it doesn't seem to be from lack of trying on our part, at least in this smallish public library. Patrons are generally always informed that material can be requested from elsewhere. But this is where the trouble starts....most people are going to want to know when they can expect to pick up there book, and even though we can usually have a request made before the patron has left the building, the best we can do is give them an in the ballpark estimate as to when a book could actually be in waiting for them. In this day and age, people don't want "a week to ten days". Patrons can use their library cards in any public library in the state so having to wait is not their only option. The other issue here is one of politics and control, I fear. A few years back I chaired a committee of inter library loan librarians and the question came up patron initiated ill. Example.....patron calls the reference desk of a neighboring town and requests that a book be put in the ill box to be delivered to his home town library. The nearly immediate consensus was there is no way that can happen because why should/would a patron "circumvent" the system, and no material should be going out of the building without it going past the ill person. I'm still not sure what that means and quite frankly I was surprised the first concern wasn't the possibility of the all important statistics no longer being accurate. It was pointed out that if that out of town people are going in and out of our libraries all the time The other statement that concerned me was something to the effect that if we make things that easy, patrons are going to what even more. The example used to illustrate this concern was a patron from town A, asking for material from the library in town B to be sent to the library in town C where he happens to work. Personally, I don't think this is an unreasonable request, but this patron would still have to use his home town library as the point to initiate the request and to pick up the material when it came in regardless of whether or not it was convenient for him. Even with the understanding of reciprocity, we will loan to you if you loan to us, there is still the question of funding and appearances. It seems to be a safe assumption that most materials budgets are stretched and losing "control" over a certain amount of a library's collection...this seems to be at least part the stumbling block. Coffman is probably on to something, trends that have worked well in the business world ought not be automatically discounted because it's just too different from what we are used to. That's my two cents.... Kim Lord Kent Memorial Library Suffield CT. From jahb at Lehigh.EDU Wed Aug 25 18:14:18 1999 From: jahb at Lehigh.EDU (JENNIFER A. HEISE) Date: Wed May 18 14:58:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Coffman and ILL In-Reply-To: <37C46192.7ED2D12D@paradyne.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, CD McLean wrote: > > But what I really want to see is online acceptance of ILL requests. I would like to see a system that acknowledges my request, when it was received, what the estimated ship out date is and also notifies me when it gets shipped. I would like to be given a tracking number that I can use to see where my ILL request is in the queue. All of these things are possible. > Er. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like the OCLC ILL system? \ Jennifer Heise, Net: jahb@lehigh.edu / / Senior Specialist, Web Management, Lehigh Univ. Info. Resources \ My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway. "