From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Sep 1 08:10:01 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Message-ID: <199809011210.IAA07333@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. 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From wfs at ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 1 10:58:26 1998 From: wfs at ix.netcom.com (Bill Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Connecticut Library Network Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980901105826.00685f94@popd.ix.netcom.com> SEARCH EXTENDED CONNECTICUT STATE LIBRARY INFORMATION ARCHITECT The Connecticut State Library is seeking a highly energetic, technically knowledgeable individual with superb interpersonal skills who will work with us to develop the current statewide bibliographic database ("reQuest") into a one-stop, Web-accessible resource that is a window to the holdings of every library in Connecticut. You will work and learn in an environment that encourages innovation, creative thinking, and cross-disciplinary research. This is a high priority, high visibility project of the Connecticut Library Network (http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/cln) serving every citizen of the state. The Information Architect will promote the awareness and use of the service throughout the state; ensure the integrity and quality control of the database; ensure compliance with contractual requirements; plan and coordinate the migration of the database from a centralized to a distributed resource; plan and coordinate training of library staff; perform ongoing systems administration/network support duties; plus other duties as required. Travel required. Qualifications: A Masters Degree in Library Science or Information Science from an ALA-accredited library school, or a Masters Degree in a field closely related to information technology and three (3) years post-graduate professional employment in a library systems environment. Salary: Starting salary $49,382 with annual increases to $59,868 plus fringe benefit package. Applications: A position description with full duties and complete qualifications is available upon request or you may visit the Connecticut State Library website at http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/jobs.htm. This position will remain open until filled, however priority will be given to applications received by October 15, 1998. Please submit letter of application with resume to David Peck, Human Resources/Affirmative Action Program Manager, Connecticut State Library, 231 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, CT 06106. Qualified women, minorities, individuals with disabilities, veterans and older persons are encouraged to apply. The Connecticut State Library is an EEO/AA employer. From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Sep 1 12:17:36 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Agent-based, Automated Cataloging Message-ID: _Agent-based, Automated Cataloging_ In a recent review of the potential application of Agent technologies for Collection Development and E-Serials I consider the possibility of using appropriate Intelligent Software Agents for 'automated' cataloging of e-publications. To expand on this issue (and to have sufficient background information on a future article (1999) on the Agent-based, Automated Cataloging), I am greatly interested in learning of any commerical or experimental efforts to automate various processes associated with the Cataloging function. I am aware of work on the application of Expert Systems for cataloging as well as Micheal Heaney's work on 'Object-Oriented Cataloging' and early 1990s thinking on this topic. I am also aware of the Scorpion project at OCLC that seeks to classify and assign subject headings to electronic resources. [For information on Scorpion and other related OCLC research project see: http://www.oclc.org:5047/oclc/research/publications/publications.html] For a good overview of Intelligent Software Agents, Interested Folk are invited to visit my LibraryAgents(sm) project that provides links to key Intelligent Software Agent resources at the following URL: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Agents.htm I am been inspired to consider the concept of Agent-based, Automated Cataloging in part from my readings on Intelligent Software Agents [We are building one of the most comprehensive colllections here at ISU in this area] and the the expansion of the Library of Congress Electronic Cataloging in Publication(ECIP) program and the the current Beta Test by LC of a Web version of its Cataloger's Desktop and Classification Plus [http://lcweb.loc.gov/cds/betareq.html] As always, Any and All citations, sources, queries, questions, comments, critiques, etc., OR speculation about the possibilities, are Most Welcome Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Alan Kay From mdowling at ala.org Tue Sep 1 12:27:41 1998 From: mdowling at ala.org (Michael Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: RUSA Looking For Outstanding Library Sites Message-ID: To highlight the quality of work that libraries are doing in creating web sites that assist users the Reference and User Services Association (RUSA) of ALA is looking for outstanding library sites from all types and sizes of libraries to showcase and model. RUSA will be collecting and evaluating sites by service such as: book discussion; reader's advisory; genealogy; local history; internet tutorials; e-mail reference; community information; senior sites; on-line newsletters; kid's pages and more. If your library has created an outstanding web service that you think should be considered as an example for other libraries, or if you have come across a library site that you thought was outstanding we'd like to hear from you. RUSA will be evaluating sites in the coming months. A number of oustanding sites for each services and type of library will be included in a new web site as models, and will be highlighted in a nationwide promotional piece showcasing the variety and quality of work that libraries are doing to help users. If you have a site or sites to submit send the URL's to Michael Dowling, Deputy Executive Director, RUSA at mdowling@ala.org. Thank you for your help! Michael Dowling Deputy Executive Director Reference & User Services Association 50 E. Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 Ph. 800-545-2433 ext.4397 Fax 312-944-8085 e-mail: mdowling@ala.org From godefroy at issn.org Tue Sep 1 12:58:42 1998 From: godefroy at issn.org (Pierre Godefroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ISSN ONline : the ISSN register is now available on the Web Message-ID: <35EC27C2.763C525@issn.org> (OUr apologies for any inconvenience resulting from cross-posting) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The ISSN Register was already available on CD-ROM (ISSN Compact) : ISSN Online is now (as from August 1998) one of the fundamental bibliographic resources available over the Web. The ISSN Register is a comprehensive tool which can be used for several purposes : - world-wide bibliographic searches on serial publications - cataloguing (records can be downloaded and re-used for specific purposes) - constitution of controlled authority files based on ISSN (database management) The ISSN (International Standard Serial Number) is universally accepted as the prime means of identifying serials (journals, magazines, periodicals of any kind), a vital first step for the management of the articles or contributions they contain. Its use is essential throughout the information chain, from publisher (and from the author of every single contribution or article) to the reader, through document delivery utilities, abstracting and indexing services, subscription agents, libraries, union catalogues, newsagents...., for the efficient management of research, ordering and cataloguing. To date, some 900,000 serials published in 180 countries have been registered and have had an ISSN (International Standard Serial Number) assigned. The ISSN network, an intergovernmental organization, is based in 67 National Centres which obtain data at source in the framework of national bibliographies and legal deposit. Each year, it identifies more than 40,000 publications. The ISSN International Centre in Paris, which is responsible for the coordination of the network, registers itself titles published by international institutions (United Nations, Unesco, OECD, European Community...) and international associations (scientific unions, learned societies, etc.) i.e. currently more than 13,000 titles. The sustained growth of electronic serials is reflected in ISSN Online. More and more e-serials (whether online or on different magnetic or optical media) are being added to the ISSN Register. ISSN Online is updated frequently (at least on a monthly basis). Each month some 4,000 new records are added to the ISSN Register and thousands of amendments and corrections are input. All the additions to the ISSN Register may be searched and browsed separately. ISSN Online is a truly multilingual database : some 150 different languages are represented in the ISSN Register. Non Latin scripts are transliterated into the Latin alphabet according to the corresponding ISO standards. Special characters and diacritics are rendered through Unicode characters and displayed on most available browsers. ISSN Online is available to all Internet users on a free trial basis. The trial period expires after one month, during which up to 40 search requests may be launched, 400 records visualised and 10 records downloaded (in their original ISO 2709 exchange format). Just fill up the trial request form (http://www.issn.org/online/trial.html) and you will receive your temporary password by e-mail. ISSN Online is available on a subscription basis, either yearly or monthly. Please refer to the subscription page (http://www.issn.org/onlineprice.html) for more information. For more information about ISSN Online, please contact us at the following address : online@issn.org Your comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. The team of the ISSN International Centre -- Pierre Godefroy Assistant to the Director / Assistant du Directeur ISSN International Centre / Centre international de l'ISSN 20 rue Bachaumont, 75002 Paris, France godefroy@issn.org Web pages / Pages sur la toile : http://www.issn.org From SheriarFdn at aol.com Tue Sep 1 13:01:52 1998 From: SheriarFdn at aol.com (SheriarFdn@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: A Library Gift Program Message-ID: <27bec6c6.35ec2880@aol.com> Dear Friends, I would like to introduce you to a library gift program sponsored by Sheriar Foundation. As outlined in the following information, we are making available free of charge a comprehensive collection of books by and about Meher Baba. This collection represents a significant contribution to the spiritual literature of the world. Meher Baba's own writings have been continuously in print and highly regarded since their publication in the 50s and 60s. His life of selfless service and divine love has been the subject of numerous biographies and personal histories. We invite you to add some or all of the titles offered in this program. We hope that you will take full advantage of this opportunity to augment your library's current selection of first rate spiritual literature. If you have any questions concerning our offer, please feel free to write, call, fax or email us. We will be happy to be of help in any way that we can. Yours truly, Sheila Krynski Chairman ********************************** A LIBRARY GIFT PROGRAM A Timeless Collection of Books by and about Meher Baba Presented by Sheriar Foundation THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM Meher Baba is widely recognized throughout the world as one of the preeminent spiritual figures of this century. A significant body of literature consisting of books authored by Meher Baba as well as serious biographical works pertaining to his life has continued to grow. Published primarily outside of mainstream commercial channels, most of these books have never been marketed in traditional ways yet all have remained in print, several since the 1950s and 1960s. The books described in this brochure significantly enrich the world’s canon of metaphysical/ mystical/spiritual literature. While Meher Baba stated that he came not to teach but to awaken, his words and his life carry a profound message and challenge concerning the underlying purpose of existence. In order to make these books more easily accessible, Sheriar Foundation has initiated a Library Gift Program that offers to make available to interested libraries any or all of the titles presented within this brochure. A non- profit corporation established with a commitment to broaden awareness and deepen appreciation of the spiritual values exemplified in the life and writings of Meher Baba, Sheriar Foundation is dedicated to exploring more dynamic ways of bringing the restorative power of divine love into people’s lives. Within this framework, all of these books are being offered free of charge to libraries interested in expanding their collection of authentic spiritual literature. For those of you who are not familiar with Meher Baba, an excerpt from an entry about him in the current Encyclopedia Britannica reads as follows: "Meher Baba saw his work as awakening the world through love to a new consciousness of the oneness of all life. To that end he lived a life of love and service which included extensive work with the poor, the physically and mentally ill, and many others, including such tasks as feeding the poor, cleaning the latrines of untouchables, and bathing lepers. He saw a responsibility to give spiritual help to ‘advanced souls,’ and traveled throughout the Indian subcontinent to find such persons." ************************* Any or all of the following books are available throught the Library Gift Program: DISCOURSES by Meher Baba. 452 pp. 7th Edition. Hardcover. Discourses has been the most widely read of Meher Baba’s books for more than fifty years. In it, the author throws light on many of life’s most perplexing problems. Inspiring and practical, Discourses provides an ever-fresh framework of spiritual perspective on the challenges of everyday existence. GOD SPEAKS by Meher Baba. 374 pp. Supplement, charts, glossary, index. Hardcover. The many diffuse concepts of spiritual truth as well as new and detailed thought patterns are clarified and brought together in this challenging and monumental work. The book describes the intricate process of reincarnation and the inward journey along the spiritual path as the soul consciously returns to the Oversoul of its origin. THE EVERYTHING AND THE NOTHING by Meher Baba. 115 pp. Paperback. Here are sixty-five messages by Meher Baba given on various occasions in the 1950s and 1960s. They cover a wide range of topics including The Lover and The Beloved; The Pearl Diver; Forgive and Forget; and God Is Shy of Strangers. The Everything and The Nothing is the most lyrical of the collections of Meher Baba’s words. LISTEN, HUMANITY by Meher Baba. narrated and edited by D. E. Stevens 262 pp. Hardback. Featuring more than 100 pages of Meher Baba' messages on such subjects as Death and Immortality, Origins and Effects of War and Notes on Freedom, this book includes a lively narrative by Don Stevens of a 4-week sahavas with Meher Baba in 1955. LIFE AT ITS BEST by Meher Baba. 73 pp. Hardcover. Meeting life squarely is the focus of this collection of fifty-eight short discourses from Meher Baba’s 1956 tour of the United States. Among its inspiring topics are: Hypocrisy; Deathless Living; Knowledge Through Experience; Control of Mind Over Energy and Matter; and The Grinding Mill of The Universe. BEAMS FROM MEHER BABA ON THE SPIRITUAL PANORAMA by Meher Baba. 88 pp. Hardcover. Beams is a companion volume to God Speaks, answering as it does questions asked by the editors of God Speaks after that book’s publication. Meher Baba here details some of the inner mechanics of the spiritual journey. THE GOD-MAN by Charles Purdom. 458 pp. Hardcover. Completed by one of Meher Baba’s early western disciples in 1962, The God-Man remains one of the most authoritative biographies of Meher Baba ever published. With access to diaries by close disciples and to "living witnesses," noted English editor Purdom presents a powerful and celebratory account of Meher Baba’s life and words. The God-Man includes much of the material included in Purdom’s earlier biography of Meher Baba, The Perfect Master, published in 1937. THAT'S HOW IT WAS by Eruch Jessawala. 424 pp. Hardcover. Eruch Jessawala, a close disciple of Meher Baba for more than half a century, here collects many of the stories he has recounted to visitors to Meher Baba’s home in India over the years. Some are stories he told to Meher Baba, some are stories Meher Baba told to his disciples. Some are humorous, some serious, some carry pointed messages. All are tightly focused on Meher Baba and carry the unique ambiance of this Avatar’s presence. THE WAYFARERS: MEHER BABA WITH THE GOD-INTOXICATED by William Donkin. 576 pp. illus. Hardcover. The Wayfarers is the only book of its kind. It chronicles in the finest detail what was a major part of Meher Baba’s work during his lifetime: contacting hundreds of those who are called masts in the East, spiritually advanced souls so enthralled with their yearning for union with God that they lose touch with the ordinary world. The volume includes Meher Baba’s explanation of the difference between the masts and the simply mad. STAY WITH GOD by Frances Brabazon. 168 pp. Hardcover. Australian poet Frances Brabazon pays homage to Meher Baba and preceding Avatars in this volume which Meher Baba called "second in importance" next to God Speaks. The story of Brabazon’s personal spiritual search is eloquently evoked in the section titled, "The Love Song of John Kerry." RAMJOO'S DIARIES 1922-1929; PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF MEHER BABA'S EARLY WORK by Ramjoo Abdulla. 585 pp. Hardcover. This intimate account of Meher Baba’s activities, kept at Meher Baba’s request, tells the incredible tale of the first seven years of his avataric mission. It also includes Sobs and Throbs, a full account of Meher Baba’s unique spiritual academy for boys in the 1920s. HOW A MASTER WORKS by Ivy O. Duce. 768 pp. Hardcover. Ivy Oneida Duce, murshida of Sufism Reoriented for many years who reoriented her group to Meher Baba, here examines Meher Baba’s working methods with his disciples, using both their and her own experiences as illustrations. The book is liberally sprinkled with anecdotes from many of Meher Baba’s followers. THE NOTHING AND THE EVERYTHING by Bhau Kalchuri. 353 pp. Hardcover. In 1967 Meher Baba told Bhau Kalchuri to write a book entitled The Nothing and The Everything and said he would give Bhau "ten percent of the book I wrote in 1925 and 1926." This is a reference to a still-missing manuscript reputed to be an expansion on God Speaks and long sought by Meher Baba’s followers. The Nothing and The Everything is Bhau’s intriguing expansion on the points Meher Baba gave him during 1967-68. LORD MEHER SERIES Hardcover. Bhau Kalchuri’s monumental biography of Meher Baba projected to have 20 volumes. Illustrated with hundreds of superb photographs, the book draws on diaries and personal interviews of many of Meher Baba’s disciples and followers. Certainly the most detailed biography of Meher Baba in print. Vol. I & II: 1894-1925 (776 pp.), Vol. III: 1925-1929 (415 pp.), Vol. IV: 1929-1932 (365 pp.), Vol. V: 1932-1934 (355 pp.), Vol. VI & VII (Part I): 1934-1940 (656 pp.), Vol. VII (Part II) & VIII:1940-1945 (576 pp.), Vol. IX & X: 1945-1952 (736 pp.), Vol. XI & XII: 1952-1954 (668 pp.). *********************************** WHAT TO DO NEXT . . . Simply decide which of the books described above you would like to add to your library’s collection. You may write, call or e-mail us with instructions as to which books you would like to receive, where they should be shipped and to whose attention. If there are any special shipping instructions, please be kind enough to make them clear to us. As we have already indicated, there will be no charges whatsoever for your library. All we ask is that you add these books to your collection so that they are readily available for whoever might be interested in them. If you have any questions concerning any part of the program that has been presented, please feel free to write or call for clarification. We thank you for your consideration of our Library Gift Program and hope that you will take full advantage of this offer to enrich your collection. SHERIAR FOUNDATION 3005 Highway 17 N. Bypass Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 (Telephone) 803-448-1106 (FAX) 803-626-2390 (Email) SheriarFdn@aol.com From wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu Tue Sep 1 14:47:59 1998 From: wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu (John Wynstra) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Position - Head, Library Technologies & Systems Message-ID: <199809011847.NAA06636@iscssun.uni.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 5525 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980901/dac0deb2/attachment.bat From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Tue Sep 1 15:06:55 1998 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Launching apps from Netscape Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980901140655.00975750@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers that were using networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference purposes. I've just replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: products that we still run locally. I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local application, which is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. The most obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to recognize a file extension and open it in an appropriate application. A FILE:// link to the datafile you want to open would then launch the external app to view that linked-to file. The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way out there? James From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Tue Sep 1 15:40:33 1998 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape Message-ID: James, Have a look at W3Launch at: http://bmbwww.leeds.ac.uk/w3launch/home.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: James Klock [mailto:j-klock@evanston.lib.il.us] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape > > > Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers > that were using > networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference > purposes. I've just > replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these > services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: > products that we > still run locally. > > I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that > following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local > application, which > is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. > The most > obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to > recognize a file > extension and open it in an appropriate application. A > FILE:// link to the > datafile you want to open would then launch the external app > to view that > linked-to file. > > The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be > "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're > talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way > out there? > > James > From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Tue Sep 1 16:18:48 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape References: <3.0.32.19980901140655.00975750@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <35EC56A7.55D90337@am.appstate.edu> Subject: Re: Shortcuts to DOS programs Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:26:40 -0700 From: TMGB To: Multiple recipients of list The solution I found last Fall which enabled us to go to a single Web interface for our menu is NTScript (info below). Set up NT Script as a helper file in netscape and you can test the notepad link from: http://www.library.appstate.edu/Admin/Tower_Test/index.html and if you don't feel safe about whats really in the prg file you can download it on netscape by holding shift when you click on it and open it up in notepad to see what it says. NT Script allows me to run anything that is locally executable including connecting to our CD Tower and using QVT Term with preconfigured login and passwords. I found NT Script originally at http://www.bhs.com Beverly Hills Software = a good repository for demo, shareware, and freeware NT and Win 95 software. How I set up ntscript for Navigator as follows: Description of type: NT Script File File Extension: prg Mime Type: application/x-ntscript Application to use: c:\path2ntscript\ntscript.exe The application has much more powerful uses than what I have done with it especially network uses. I also had to setup the Mime type on the server as well so I'm not sure how it will react to just run it locally. Thomas --- Program Info -------------------------------------------------- NTScript Jason Simotas jsimotas@rethinkit.com Rethinkit Software www.rethinkit.com (c) 1996,97 --- Pricing ------------------------------------------------------- NTScript is not free but it's not crippled in any way. If you use this program, you must register it. NTscript ............................ $40 10 pack ............................ $300 100 pack ............................ $2500 Send payment to: Rethinkit Software POB 157 New York, NY 10113-0157 Make check to: Jason Simotas Include e-mail address for registration code and update notifications. --- Description ----------------------------------------------------- ver 2.47 A 32 bit scripting language for Windows 95 and NT. - Use notepad to create script files (.prg) - Perform common administrative functions - Useable in login scripts or as standalone scripting tool - Read / Write registry settings or .ini file settings - Copy and Synchronize files / direcotories - Read / Write text files - Call other programs based on date and time James Klock wrote: > Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers that were using > networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference purposes. I've just > replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these > services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: products that we > still run locally. > > I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that > following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local application, which > is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. The most > obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to recognize a file > extension and open it in an appropriate application. A FILE:// link to the > datafile you want to open would then launch the external app to view that > linked-to file. > > The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be > "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're > talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way out there? > > James -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by the number of complaints received From walterg at yorku.ca Tue Sep 1 18:03:29 1998 From: walterg at yorku.ca (Walter W. Giesbrecht) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Incentive to keep your website up-to-date? Message-ID: <35EC6F31.414F0A3D@yorku.ca> >From today's LA Times > Tuesday, September 1, 1998 > > Sudan Attack Claims Faulty, U.S. Admits > By PAUL RICHTER, Times Staff Writer ----- stuff deleted ----- > U.S. officials said that at the time of the strike, they knew > that the plant had had a "grand opening" celebration to publicize > it as a major new source of medicines for Sudan, which has been > rent by a lengthy civil war. > But the officials said they did not believe that the plant > actually produced such medicines, because they saw no evidence of > such an output when they accessed a Web site for it. Web sites for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > five other pharmaceutical plants in Sudan listed the medicines > produced at those plants. Gives you incentive to keep your website up-to-date, doesn't it? -- Walter Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University Libraries 113Y SSB Toronto, Ontario, CANADA From d.king at usm.edu Wed Sep 2 09:06:10 1998 From: d.king at usm.edu (David King) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Incentive to keep your website up-to-date? References: <35EC6F31.414F0A3D@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <35ED42C2.6E83A43@usm.edu> > > Sudan Attack Claims Faulty, U.S. Admits > > By PAUL RICHTER, Times Staff Writer > > But the officials said they did not believe that the plant > > actually produced such medicines, because they saw no evidence of > > such an output when they accessed a Web site for it. Web sites for > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > five other pharmaceutical plants in Sudan listed the medicines > > produced at those plants. > > Gives you incentive to keep your website up-to-date, doesn't it? It's pretty scary to me - I really hope that wasn't one of the main reasons the plant was bombed. How many non-US companies even HAVE web sites, let alone sites that list 100% of their product (not to mention all the US companies that lack in this area). -- ______________________________ David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi d.king@usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ From prestam at okway.okstate.edu Wed Sep 2 10:54:48 1998 From: prestam at okway.okstate.edu (Anne Prestamo) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Job Announcement/Oklahoma State University Message-ID: <9809029047.AA904744575@okway.okstate.edu> Please excuse the cross-posting. ASSISTANT PROFESSOR/SCIENCE & ENGINEERING LIBRARIAN, TENURE TRACK Oklahoma State University is a land grant university with an enrollment of 26,000 students on four campuses offering 44 doctoral degree programs. The Library, with holdings of more than 2.6 million volumes and documents, is a member of the Association of Research Libraries. The Library operates in a highly automated environment including: an online catalog (NOTIS); online access to ISI's Current Contents and several FirstSearch databases; online access to UMI's ProQuest Direct (Periodical Abstracts Research II, ABI/Inform, full-text New York Times, Newspaper Abstracts, and Digital Dissertations Abstracts); Internet access to Compendex Web and EI Village, J-Stor, Project Muse, and the Encyclopedia Americana; access to numerous locally networked cd-rom databases and other remote databases. Thirty public Internet workstations are available. The Science & Engineering Reference Division includes the Architecture and Vet Med Libraries and the Map Collection. There are eight librarians and three support staff in the Division. RESPONSIBILITIES:Assists in providing reference service including evening and weekend rotations; participates in user education programs; and performs collection management and faculty liaison activities for agriculture, nutrition sciences, and biochemistry. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: ALA-MLS. Must demonstrate the following: strong, effective reference skills; a record of providing excellent service; the ability to interact with the public in a friendly manner; excellent communication and organization skills; the ability to work well under pressure and to meet deadlines; familiarity with online public access catalogs, cd-rom databases, and the Internet; and experience instructing library users with both print and electronic resources. Desired: Degree in agricultural or biological sciences; three years post-MLS experience providing STM reference services in an academic or large public library; experience using the Internet in providing reference service; library instruction experience; active participation in state or national professional organizations. SALARY: $31,500 for 11 months. Salary and academic rank dependent upon qualifications and prior experience. BENEFITS: Social security; free health, accident and life insurance; retirement benefits available under state system and TIAA/CREF (some restrictions); 11 holidays; 22 days of sick leave per year. Opportunity to work towards advanced degree. DEADLINE: Application review begins on October 5, 1998, and continues until position is filled. Anticipated start date: January 4, 1999. APPLICATION: Send cover letter, resume, and names and addresses of three professional references to: Mrs. Jackie German, Administrative Officer, Edmon Low Library, Oklahoma State University. Stillwater, OK 74078-1071. (405) 744-6324. jlg4962@okway.okstate.edu EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER; MINORITIES AND WOMEN ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH IRCA. From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Wed Sep 2 10:13:54 1998 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Message-ID: <199809021413.HAA07089@kiki.arlington.com> Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted monthly this fall by Arlington Courseware. Three sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 4.0, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: ------------------ ---------------- subscribe links-sep the September session of Make the Link subscribe links-oct the October session of Make the Link subscribe links-nov the November session of Make the Link subscribe tune-sep the September session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-oct the October session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-nov the November session of Tune In the Net This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send email to the address in the signature line. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY admin@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From absher at sequent.com Wed Sep 2 11:17:38 1998 From: absher at sequent.com (Linda Absher (absher)) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Message-ID: <1DDAE93A2402D11188BD0000C02213F5082E5C37@gobo.sequent.com> So what happened to the XML tutorials from last May? We only received three tutorials then were dropped with no explanation or refund despite several e-mails to you. I did call you in June and asked what happened only to be told the class was being "rewritten" and that we would be receiving the rest when it was done, but I haven't heard a thing since. If we sign up for these will we be dropped from these as well? Frustrated, LInda -- Linda Absher absher@sequent.com Intranet Librarian (503) 578-3485 Sequent Computer Systems, Beaverton, OR -----Original Message----- From: Thomas P. Copley [SMTP:tcopley@gigantor.arlington.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted monthly this fall by Arlington Courseware. Three sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 4.0, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: ------------------ ---------------- subscribe links-sep the September session of Make the Link subscribe links-oct the October session of Make the Link subscribe links-nov the November session of Make the Link subscribe tune-sep the September session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-oct the October session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-nov the November session of Tune In the Net This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send email to the address in the signature line. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY admin@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Sep 2 11:53:48 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Proxy servers Message-ID: <000e01bdd689$dfb9c7c0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> As soon as I get enough material to summarize I will forward it to the list. Thanks for the interest. How do we convince our computer centers and administrators of the necessity for remote users to have the same ease of access as on campus users?(Rhetorical Question?) -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: -- From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Sep 2 13:00:36 1998 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ACCESS '98 Conference Update (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:42:47 -0600 From: David Fox Registration for Access '98 has picked up considerably over the past two weeks, and now stands at 132. Following is a breakdown of registration by geographic origin. British Columbia 16 Alberta 23 Saskatchewan 48 Manitoba 3 Ontario 11 Quebec 5 New Brunswick 1 Nova Scotia 2 Newfoundland 2 North West Territories 1 USA 20 TOTAL 132 The weekend of Oct 2-4 is going to be a busy one for Saskatoon hotels. The Delta Bessborough expects to be sold out that weekend. To date about 60 rooms have been booked to Access '98 delegates. The Bessborough is setting aside an additional 20 rooms for Access '98 until September 11. When those are gone additional rooms at the conference rate will be subject to availability. If you plan to attend Access '98 I strongly advise you to make your hotel reservation promptly. To book, call (306)244-5521 or 1-800-268-1133 and ask for the ACCESS '98 conference rate. If you are unable to get a room at the Delta Bessborough, ask your travel agent to check availability at other Saskatoon hotels. If you have already registered for Access '98 we look forward to seeing you in Saskatoon in October. If not, please visit the Access '98 Website at: http://library.usask.ca/access98/ to discover the best conference value for 1998! Regards, David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Fox phone: (306)966-6031 Chair, Access '98 Planning Committee fax: (306)966-6040 University of Saskatchewan Libraries email: fox@sklib.usask.ca Room 163 Main Library/Murray Building 3 CAMPUS DRIVE SASKATOON, SK S7N 5A4 CANADA home page: http://library.usask.ca/~fox/ Access '98: http://library.usask.ca/access98/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu Wed Sep 2 15:57:12 1998 From: lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu (Laura Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Creative way of gathering suggestions, comments, etc. Message-ID: <01J1C4QQQSC88Y6ULD@cnsvax.albany.edu> I am attempting to gather examples of interesting ways in which libraries use a Web-based function to gather comments from its users about the library, its services and collections. I'm not interested in simple comments forms, with one generic textarea box that invites people to sound off. I'm wondering if there are more precise, complex or creative examples of comments functions on library Web pages. One example might be the use of a survey function. Does anyone know of such examples? Thanks, -- Laura Cohen Laura B. Cohen Network Services Librarian The University at Albany University Libraries UL-140 Albany, NY 12222 Phone: 518-442-3492 LCOHEN@cnsvax.albany.edu From rjtiess at juno.com Wed Sep 2 17:09:25 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Creative way of gathering suggestions, comments, etc. References: <01J1C4QQQSC88Y6ULD@cnsvax.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19980902.171610.3702.0.rjtiess@juno.com> Dear Laura, "Suggest a Source" is an example of how patrons can suggestion acquisitions for our electronic/Internet Resource and print collections. The page is at the following URL: http://www.thrall.org/sas.htm That service is also integrated (linkwise) into all our Internet Resource Guides so users may suggest links. It's proven to be a most useful tool. We also have a simpler feedback box, which you indicated no interest in, but it's available for others who may be interested: http://www.thrall.org/suggest.htm (The Virtual Suggestion Box) We also have key e-mail addresses posted throughout the site and a library phone directory for additional input channels. Robert J. Tiess Webmaster . . Middletown Thrall Library . Goshen Public Library & Historical Society . Literacy Volunteers of America Middletown NY Inc. . The New Athenaeum, Neptune, and other sites . . . . Laura Cohen writes: >I am attempting to gather examples of interesting ways in which libraries >use a Web-based function to gather comments from its users about the >library, its services and collections. > >I'm not interested in simple comments forms, with one generic textarea >box that invites people to sound off. I'm wondering if there are more >precise, complex or creative examples of comments functions on library >Web pages. >One example might be the use of a survey function. > >Does anyone know of such examples? > >Thanks, -- Laura Cohen > > Laura B. Cohen > Network Services Librarian The University at Albany > University Libraries UL-140 Albany, NY 12222 > Phone: 518-442-3492 LCOHEN@cnsvax.albany.edu > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 2 18:43:12 1998 From: CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us (CHRIS STENSVOLD) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Thousand Oaks, CA - Job Announcement Message-ID: There is one full-time librarian position and several hourly, part-time librarian openings within Information and Children's Services at the Grant R. Brimhall Library of the Thousand Oaks Library System. The purpose of this recruitment is to establish an eligibility list from which the current hourly and full-time vacancies may be filled as well as future Librarian vacancies that may occur over the next six months. The part-time staff would work Reference Desks primarily evenings and weekends between 10 to 15 hours per week at $20.00 per hour. At a pay range of $2755-3443 per month, the full-time librarian duties include provision of general and in-depth reference and reader's advisory service, online searching using a variety of databases, selection of print and non-print materials for both children and adults, and planning and presenting appropriate library programs to the public. Qualifications (for both positions) include knowledge of current trends, principles and practices of public librarianship; general and specialized reference and bibliographic sources for all age groups; classification and cataloging principles; indexing procedures and practices; modern technologies including the use of standard online research sources and the Internet; reader's advisory methodology and theory; reference interviewing techniques, and current publishing trends. The positions require the ability to conduct reference interviews and recommend appropriate resources; establish and maintain good rapport with the general public and staff; interpret library policies to the public; communicate clearly, both orally and in writing; and portray a service-oriented, helpful attitude at public service desks and over the telephone. The full-time position also requires knowledge of principles and methods of collection development and the ability to plan and present informational or children's programs or tours; prepare specialized bibliographies and pathfinders; effectively evaluate library services and programs; promote interest in library services and participate in functional activities of the library. Education and experience (for both positions): Posession of an ALA-accredited Masters Degree in Library Science. A valid Class C California driver's license required. A minimum of one year of public library reference experience. The City of Thousand Oaks offers a generous benefit package and the policy is to promote equal employment opportunity to all without regard to sex, sexual preference, age, race, color, religious creed, national origin, ancestry, marital status, disabiltiy, medical condition or other non-merit factors. Incorporated in 1964, the City of Thousand Oaks is a General Law City located in Ventura County, 27 miles east of Ventura and 36 miles west of Los Angeles. Nestled in the beautiful Conejo Valley, the City's 112,000 residents enjoy an ideal climate and an abundance of recreational facilities and cultural attractions. The community encompasses 55 square miles and offers diversified commercial shopping, modern school systems and a wide range of housing opportunities. To apply, a City application and supplemental application form must be received in the Human Resources Office by Friday, September 11, 1998, by 5:30 p.m. Faxed resumes/applications will not be accepted. Apply to: Human Resources Office, City of Thousand Oaks, 2100 Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362, (805) 449-2144. From listbot at mccmedia.com Wed Sep 2 20:32:15 1998 From: listbot at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: From what point of view is a library chaotic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35EDAA2200000059@mail.mccmedia.com> (added by mail.mccmedia.com) I hope this question isn't too off-the-wall for Web4Lib, but I'm hoping I can ask it in a way that is at least interesting. I'm working with the notion that "organization" is a relative term. That is, one person's order is another's chaos. The question that emerges is the one in the subject of this message: From what point of view is a library chaotic? A similar, perhaps easier, question would be, "For which potential clientele is the library least well organized?" I hope I'm not assuming too much when I suggest that libraries *are* chaotic to some people. This is for the book I'm working on. I'm not sure if I mentioned in my last question, but the latest working title for it is, "Metanoia: The Co-evolution of Technology and Thought." Nick From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Wed Sep 2 20:42:27 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy servers In-Reply-To: <000e01bdd689$dfb9c7c0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> from Wilfred Drew at "Sep 2, 98 09:08:43 am" Message-ID: <199809030042.UAA09487@goon.stg.brown.edu> > How do we convince our computer centers and administrators of the > necessity for remote users to have the same ease of access as on- > campus users? I don't know if you intended to post this note to the list, but your query merits some response: If your computer centers and administrat- ors don't understand the importance of access for remote users, then they should find other work. I work in a university setting, and we have professors on sabbatical; students, professors, and staff who don't live on-campus; affiliated (e.g., medical school faculty) in off-site clinics; graduate students doing fieldwork (the list goes on and on). All of these people need off-site access to on-campus resources. No competent university af- filiated IS department worth its salt can hang these constituencies out to dry. Richard Goerwitz Brown University From cchick at earthlink.net Thu Sep 3 00:48:23 1998 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - Sept. 1, 1998 Message-ID: <35EE1F97.8083E2B8@earthlink.net> New on LLRX for Sept. 1, 1998 Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick, Editors http://www.llrx.com Electronic Rule Making: Broadcast List Servers, Hypertext Manuscripts, Proprietary Formats and Tagged Email - With this article, Phillip A. McAfee once again provides a comprehensive analysis of a complex issue, this time on the use of HTML to disseminate government information through the Web. He details how the current rule making process could be substantially enhanced by using the connectivity of the Web. Using the HHS process as an example, Phillip examines the capability of current Web applications to considerably broaden the availability of important information to the public regarding the regulatory process. Additionally, he has included related hypertext references, and a table which compares the status of electronic rule making in seven federal agencies. (Posted 9/1/98) What's the Jurisdiction on that One? A Quick Tour of Internet and Print Resources for Determining Federal Jurisdictional Questions in the United States - Roger Vicarius Skilbeck highlights resources that will assist you in determining information such as the appropriate federal location for a given action; court rule distance requirements; and how to geographically locate a specific court house. (Posted 9/1/98) In this month?s ResearchWire, titled Virtual Reference for Real Lawyers, Genie Tyburski proposes that you consider creating a personal library of links to assist with Web research. To facilitate this process, she takes you step-by-step through the process of using basic HTML. As an added bonus, Genie has included a template which you may implement immediately to create a mini intranet of research resources at your desktop. (Posted 9/1/98) In this month?s Guide on the Side, Marie Wallace discusses using props when making a presentation. She discusses the four general classes into which props fall, and how and when to use them to best advantage. (Posted 9/1/98) Product Review -- MARCit: Web Site Cataloging Made Easy - If you are interested in a product to assist you in the task of cataloging Internet resources, click on this article by Cathy Adamo, who provides the required specifications and capabilities of this software. (Posted 9/1/98) Margaret Berkland's new installment of Links in the News includes a site that links to supreme court decisions from 19 countries; a database that contains over 20,000 defense related acronyms and abbreviations; a search engine enabled site providing information on over 150,000 publications and over 8,000 newspapers; and for good measure, as Y2K issues remain of paramount interest, a site from the World Bank with links to topical information worldwide. (Posted 9/1/98) In On the Newsstand, there are links to a wide range of techie articles, including: the inside scoop on the meteoric rise of YAHOO!; how Y2K problems are beginning to generate law suits; a review of Derwent's new Web-based Patent database; the future of the Web browser; and the Library of Congress plans for the future. LLRXbookstore includes a couple of new titles such as a recent addition to the "Dummies" series and another one on International legal research. -----------------------KeyCite------------------- KeyCite sm, a powerful new citator and case-finder by West Group, integrates West-reported case law, full-text headnotes, and West's Topic and Key Numbers into a super-efficient system for finding cases on point. Find out how to revolutionize your legal research today. Visit-----> http://www.westgroup.com/keycite From pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org Fri Sep 4 06:45:02 1998 From: pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org (Pingsheng Chen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: need help from everybody Message-ID: <199809041446.KAA06134@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Hi Everybody, I tried to set up telnet applicaiton in the Preference of Netscape 4.5. Next day I turned on the pc, when you clicked each application on my machine, one telnet application is open. It looks like telnet replace all the files with .exe as extension. Any file with different extension look ok. What should I do to bring back all my applicaitons? Any suggestions will be greatly helpful. Thank you. Ping Electronic Services/Reference Librarian Worcester Public Library From gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us Fri Sep 4 11:22:15 1998 From: gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us (Gerald M. Furi) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? Message-ID: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> I've noticed a disturbing inconsistency in the way Netscape (4.++) and MSIE (4.-5 beta) handle the simple NAME attribute of the anchor tag. We were testing internal document hyperlinks on an upcoming web page. The hyperlinks form a mini-navigation text menu in a table layout. There are six internal hyperlinks in the table. E.g., bleah and the corresponding blah. MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? TIA Gerald M. Furi Assistant Director, Farmington Community Library System Administrator, Metro Net Library Consortium, Inc. 248.848.4302 your text here From ray.serebrin at spl.org Fri Sep 4 11:44:59 1998 From: ray.serebrin at spl.org (Ray Serebrin) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Hogging the Internet Terminals Message-ID: Hello. My name is Ray Serebrin and I am Acting Director of Neighborhood Library Services at Seattle Public Library. I am new to this group and this is my first posting. I am exploring innovative solutions to the age-new dilemma of users hogging the terminals. SPL is installing the Dynix graphical interface and is experiencing the problem that occurs when users hog the terminals for internet and email use and then catalog users can't get on. The current installations are in medium sized branches of about 12 terminals each. Internet and the PAC are on each terminal. We have a 60 minute limit that is human enforced and not working very well. We have lots of experience with this phenomenon with text terminals - but through a technical fix which enabled us to time people out after 60 minutes. To our knowledge no timer fix is yet available though we are aware of some that are being developed. Until the timer fix is here, we have toyed with and in some cases implemented, the following ideas: 1. voluntary sign up 2. express terminals 3. taking internet off some terminals 4. proliferating dumb text terminals 5. designating some email only terminals 6. designating some web only terminals 7. reduce time limits 8. remove telnet connection on some terminals 9. mechanical timers 10. etc. etc Good ideas we have lots of. Do you have any experience with fixes in similar situations that have WORKED? If so I'd be very grateful. ray From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Fri Sep 4 12:06:52 1998 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: We noticed that behavior, too, but it appeared to us to affect only Netscape 4.01. Since a (previously planned) version upgrade fixed the problem for us, we didn't get too far into diagnosing the bug, beyond verifying that it was happening with syntactically valid pages. We saw it happen most often with empty anchor elements with capital names, e.g., . Do you have a URL for the page in question? >I've noticed a disturbing inconsistency in the way Netscape (4.++) and MSIE >(4.-5 beta) handle the simple NAME attribute of the anchor tag. We were >testing internal document hyperlinks on an upcoming web page. The hyperlinks >form a mini-navigation text menu in a table layout. There are six internal >hyperlinks in the table. E.g., bleah and the >corresponding blah. > >MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will >navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but >stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? PG _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman Automation Librarian University of Wisconsin-Madison General Library System Automation Services pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu (608) 265-5291 From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Fri Sep 4 14:01:20 1998 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Info on Web databases Message-ID: <35F02AF0.C778D05F@opac.osl.state.or.us> Web4Libbers who are involved or thinking about putting databases on the Web may be interested in taking a look at some of these resources: * - Web Databases, Parts 1 and 2, an informative series of articles. * - Their index page with links to some good resources on the Web database topic. * - The home page for the preceding items, pretty interesting site. "Anchor is a "community space for web developers," a site devoted to the professional needs of the web development community. Our goal is to provide the information, interaction, and insight that developers need to stay ahead in a fast-moving field." - "Turbocharge your Website: Cheap & Easy Web database apps!", my draft of an article which appeared in "Library Software Review," covering the approaches and choices for putting your databases on the Web in early 1998. Lots of URL links to application vendors. Thought these might be of help. Cheers, -ernest Ernest Perez//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.osl.state.or.us//503-378-4243 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We've all heard that, given enough time, a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." From brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Fri Sep 4 14:14:47 1998 From: brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Brian Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hogging the Internet Terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I expect we do what most libraries do, which is have a combination of two "interfaces", one with internet/web available, and one without and some machines which are set as short use of 15 minutes and others set for 30 minutes. With manual signup that no one is happy with. We are planing to load the Pharos product next week. And test beginning the 14th. We hope that gives us computerized signup, authentication, and automatic timeout. I'll post results. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Ray Serebrin wrote: > Hello. My name is Ray Serebrin and I am Acting Director of Neighborhood > Library Services at Seattle Public Library. I am new to this group and this > is my first posting. > > I am exploring innovative solutions to the age-new dilemma of users hogging > the terminals. SPL is installing the Dynix graphical interface and is > experiencing the problem that occurs when users hog the terminals for > internet and email use and then catalog users can't get on. The current > installations are in medium sized branches of about 12 terminals each. > Internet and the PAC are on each terminal. We have a 60 minute limit that > is human enforced and not working very well. We have lots of experience > with this phenomenon with text terminals - but through a technical fix which > enabled us to time people out after 60 minutes. To our knowledge no timer > fix is yet available though we are aware of some that are being developed. > > Until the timer fix is here, we have toyed with and in some cases > implemented, the following ideas: > 1. voluntary sign up > 2. express terminals > 3. taking internet off some terminals > 4. proliferating dumb text terminals > 5. designating some email only terminals > 6. designating some web only terminals > 7. reduce time limits > 8. remove telnet connection on some terminals > 9. mechanical timers > 10. etc. etc > > Good ideas we have lots of. Do you have any experience with fixes in > similar situations that have WORKED? If so I'd be very grateful. > > ray > Brian Williams Automation Administrator Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us Fri Sep 4 15:32:14 1998 From: mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us (Miriam Bobkoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? Message-ID: <002c01bdd83a$ba731950$e95f47cf@libmain-nt-2.ci.santa-fe.nm.us> ...from the point of view of any library users who expect all the books on whatever _they_ feel their topic is, to be shelved together; but instead find the ones they want to look at strewn all over the building. All the books about France (language? literature? travel? history? biography?); all the books about New Age stuff (health? religion? feminism? social history?); all the books about horses (racing? husbandry?), addiction (psychology? social issues? health? child-rearing?), Mark Twain (by or about? fiction or non?)... "Alas," we may say, "they're not all going to be in exactly the same place, let's go look it up in the catalog and figure out what we're after." But it's too late; the elevator of their estimation of us has just dropped several floors. Miriam Bobkoff mbobkoff@ci.santa-fe.nm.us Santa Fe Public Library 145 Washington Avenue Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 984-6832 The Library's Page http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfpl/ -----Original Message----- From: Nick Arnett To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 6:57 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? >I hope this question isn't too off-the-wall for Web4Lib, but I'm hoping I >can ask it in a way that is at least interesting. I'm working with the >notion that "organization" is a relative term. That is, one person's order >is another's chaos. The question that emerges is the one in the subject of >this message: From what point of view is a library chaotic? From ras at anzio.com Fri Sep 4 15:29:11 1998 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: EXE messup (was need help from everybody) In-Reply-To: <199809041446.KAA06134@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Pingsheng Chen wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I tried to set up telnet applicaiton in the Preference of Netscape > 4.5. Next day I turned on the pc, when you clicked each application > on my machine, one telnet application is open. It looks like telnet > replace all the files with .exe as extension. Any file with different > extension look ok. What should I do to bring back all my > applicaitons? Any suggestions will be greatly helpful. Thank you. This is a NASTY one, which I just encountered this morning. THE PROBLEM The system ends up with a "file association", associating the "EXE" file extension with the telnet program (or whatever you've tried to install). Consequently, whenever you try to run ANY application, Windows runs the telnet! HOW IT HAPPENS In newer Netscape (at least 4.04 and 4.06), under Edit:Preferences:Applications, you can add file handler applications. You would normally do this to add a graphics viewer, for instance. This has the same effect as manipulating file types in Windows Explorer. HOWEVER, Netscape left out an important safegaurd. If you put "EXE" in as the extension, it pops up the current value, and then lets you enter (or browse) another application there. This creates the problem. THE NITTY GRITTY The registry entry HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open\command now contains the program name. It should contain "%1" %* exactly, with the quotes. HOW TO FIX IT You can't run regedit.exe, because Windows will bring up the telnet instead. I initially solved this by copying regedit.exe over the top of the program that was named (once I figured out what it was). Then I ran regedit and fixed the offending entry. Another way to fix it is to create a registry patch file. This is possible using DOS commands, which fortunately still work. Go to Start:Programs:MS-DOS prompt to open a DOS window. Then: 1. Type edit fix-exe.reg 2. Make the contents of the file read EXACTLY: REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open\command] @="\"%1\" %*" 3. Exit, saving the file. 4. Enter: start fix-exe.reg 5. Regedit should ask you if you want to change the indicated value. Answer "Yes". This should fix the problem. DISCLAIMER I take no responsibility for the success of this, I'm just trying to help out. Your registry was messed up to start with, you have little if anything to lose. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From transit at primenet.com Fri Sep 4 17:36:44 1998 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Disabling Web browsing on an Active-Desktop equipped computer Message-ID: Help! I can't figure out how to disable Web browsing on a W95 computer that has Active Desktop enabled. Deleting iexplor.exe doesn't work, because there is a "Go" command on every window, allowing web access. All other internet activities (telnet, etc). are to remain enabled. Thanks for your help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpiper at tsl.state.tx.us Fri Sep 4 19:30:54 1998 From: mpiper at tsl.state.tx.us (Michael Piper) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Wanted: innovative, customer-focused Web developer Message-ID: <2CDB5756E744D111A59E00805F857E8D6CCC78@Grace.tsl.state.tx.us> Are you an innovator? Then join us in sunny Austin, Texas to build creative, customer-friendly Web services. As our Networked Services Developer, you'll be a key member of the Texas State Library's new Library Resource Sharing Division. You'll collaborate with colleagues and customers statewide to plan, implement and promote our Web services, including TRAIL (http://link.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/), a government information locator system for Texas. Best of all, you'll live, work and play in Austin, consistently rated among the most livable cities in the US. America's live music capitol, Austin boasts a booming high-tech economy, attractive recreational opportunities, mild winters, and no state income tax. If you share our commitment to building state-of-the-art, customer-focused Web services, this job's for you. Bring us your energy and ideas, and we'll provide the resources and support you need to be successful. Review the position description or request an application packet from our Web site (http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ADMIN/Job7.htm). Please refer questions concerning this job opportunity to the State Library's Human Resources Office (512/463-5474). This position is open until filled. Networked Services Developer Library Resource Sharing Division Texas State Library and Archives Commission Austin, Texas JOB RESPONSIBILITIES As a member of the Library Resource Sharing (LRS) team, take lead responsibility for planning and implementing the Texas Records and Information Locator (TRAIL). This position also provides support for the Texas State Electronic Library (TSEL), Texas State Publications Clearinghouse, TexNet interlibrary loan network, and TexShare, a statewide library resource sharing consortium. Help us devise electronic services to respond to customers better than ever before. ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS * Develop the Texas Records and Information Locator (TRAIL). * Plan, develop and implement LRS networked information services. * Ability to move in and around the office, and to consult with clients off-site. * Ability to perform visual activities requiring prolonged attention to detail such as evaluating and editing computer graphical displays. * Ability to hear and understand speech to interact with coworkers and clients on a routine basis. NON-ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS * Maintain awareness of current developments in computer, telecommunications, Internet and information access technologies. * Research, write and/or prepare materials, reports and articles for publication by the Library. * Assist as assigned with other Library Resource Sharing programs. * Perform other duties as assigned. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS * Master's degree in library or information science from an American Library Association accredited library program. * One year of experience developing web-based information resources. * One year of experience in analyzing data; formulating conclusions; developing policies and guidelines; writing technical evaluations, long range plans. * Working knowledge HTML, UNIX or NT servers, Windows 95, and Internet browsers, plus three of the following: Classification theory, thesaurus construction, information systems for libraries, appropriate national and international standards related to networked information systems, the Internet, digital libraries and hypermedia, organization of information for access and retrieval, library consulting, Government Information Locator Systems. * Familiarity with information technology and its place in integrated library services. * Ability to translate project/application requirements into technical specifications. * Ability to write clear, well-organized and correct English. * Demonstrated ability to work well with customers and colleagues. PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS * Ability to design effective, user-friendly Web pages. * A record of progressively responsible experience in the application of information technology in a library setting. * One year of administrative experience in one of the following areas: Government Information Locator Systems, government documents, automated library services, or Internet applications. * Six months of UNIX or Windows NT system administration experience. * Network background including TCP/IP, SMTP, and Telnet, and shell scripting. * Knowledge of Perl/CGI scripting and Java/Java Script. * Significant knowledge of indexing and database structure and Web technology. * Familiarity with computers running in a networked environment on various operating systems, including Windows and Unix; and demonstrated technical skills, such as programming, database development, and/or technical documentation. OTHER REQUIREMENTS * Regular travel by plane and automobile required. * Submit complete undergraduate and graduate college transcripts. * Submit portfolio of writing samples, Web pages, training materials, and other relevant work products. SUPERVISION None. Reports to the Library Resource Sharing Division Director. ESSENTIAL TASKS Develop the Texas Record and Information Locator System (TRAIL). Collaborate with colleagues and customers to plan, implement and promote a state of the art government information locator system (GILS). Design and build user interfaces, organizational structures, and indexing schemes for TRAIL. Identify constraints and devise solutions. Develop procedures for maintaining TRAIL's functionality and accuracy. Evaluate TRAIL's use and enhance its capabilities. Deliver responsive customer service by phone, correspondence, reports, speeches, and on-site visits. Refer clients to other experts and sources as appropriate. Write reports of consultation activities. Provide liaison with Information Resources Technology Department. (60%) Plan, develop and implement LRS networked information services. Perform comprehensive planning and research work related to developing effective Web-based library services. Assist in developing the Texas State Electronic Library (TSEL). Evaluate TSEL resources, build scripts, and assist in researching online resources available at state, national and global levels as potentially useful for inclusion in TSEL. Participate in negotiation and approval of contracts; monitor performance of contractors. Develop feasibility studies, detailed analysis, reports, plans, diagrams, verification and testing procedures for implementation and operation of systems. Develop and document policy, procedures, and performance measures. Prepare documentation, including pertinent portions of the Information Resources Strategic Plan and Biennial Operating Plan. (20%) OTHER DUTIES Maintain awareness of current developments in computer, telecommunication, and information access technology. Compile and maintain information on electronic information services by other state agencies and in other states. Keep agency staff and network users informed of relevant current developments in networked information services. Provide information on trends, costs, and benefits in network services. (10%) Research, write and/or prepare materials, reports and articles for publication by the Library. Research and write reports, news releases, or articles for publication about the delivery of government information and other resource sharing activities. Make presentations at local, regional, state and national meetings. (5%) Assist with other Library Resource Sharing programs as assigned. Participate in problem solving and project teams to perform tasks as needed for successful implementation of resource sharing projects. (5%) ********** Michael Piper, Director michael.piper@tsl.state.tx.us Library Resource Sharing Division 512/463-7402 Texas State Library and Archives Commission Fax: 512/936-2306 Box 12927 Austin TX 78711-2927 From Amdal at aol.com Fri Sep 4 20:03:17 1998 From: Amdal at aol.com (Amdal@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Hogging the Internet Terminals Message-ID: <766b7751.35f07fc5@aol.com> We have implemented an idea( which I got from one of these library listservs) in our small public library, which is a system of checking the computers out like a book. The checkout slip has the time on it so if the machines are all in use, the circ desk, which keeps those slips until the user checks the machine back in, can tell how long each individual has been at a terminal, and when their time will be up. If no one comes along, however, users may continue uninterrupted to their heart's content , or until closing, whichever comes first. (Opacs are Opacs only.) So far it all works fine and the usage statistics are useful as well. Antonia Hanson Public Library From mmhung at hknet.com Mon Sep 7 17:46:58 1998 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: suggestion of research area Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980908054658.006a1048@hknet.com> i am 'making' my research (final year project) on school library, do you have any suggestion on area and title? I think something with automation may save my some time. thanks in advanced *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From grondin.luc at uqam.ca Tue Sep 8 11:17:19 1998 From: grondin.luc at uqam.ca (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980908111719.007fd400@aster.si.uqam.ca> At 08:32 98-09-04 -0700, Gerald M. Furi wrote: >MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will >navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but >stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? This is just a guess, since I have not seen your code, but a possibility is that some of your named anchors have letters with different case (uppercase vs lowercase). Netscape as always been case-sensitive when it comes to named anchors (as far as I know), while it seems that Explorer is not. For example, if you had bleah and the corresponding blah, it should work with Explorer but not with Netscape. I hope this helps Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Services informatises des bibliotheques Universite du Quebec a Montreal From CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca Tue Sep 8 13:51:17 1998 From: CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca (Cameron Metcalf) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: electronic forms. Message-ID: <98Sep8.140717edt.18439@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> Hey all, I've got an electronic form on my page right now that's giving me grief. It's a simple form that records data and routes it to my e-mail address (using "mailto:---"). I don't have any problem using it from my workstation, but other colleagues at the office, aren't able to send the form (using Netscape as a browser). An error message pops up that reads: "Netscape is out of memory". I suspect this is a hardware problem (since the form does work on some of the stations, it can't be a bug in html). Has anyone had a similar error message, "Netscape is out of memory"? the netscape homepage, doesn't breathe a word about it, nor does its HELP menu--- any advice on the matter is appreciated. thanks. Cameron From sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org Tue Sep 8 14:14:55 1998 From: sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org (Skip Booth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: Position Available by the Shores of the Chesapeake Bay Message-ID: <35F5741F.132BEE00@epfl2.epflbalto.org> Want to break out of the cublicle! An Exciting Opportunity Awaits! Network Support/Analyst Anne Arundel County Public Library seeks computer professional to administer network applications in a Windows NT/OpenVMS environment. Develop and maintain databases -- SQL and Access required. Develop and maintain internet/intranet applications ? Visual Basic, HTML, Javascript, CGI-Bin and Vbscript required. Familiarity with Cisco Routers, Webservers, Client-Servers, & TCP-IP. Good analysis, communication, documentation skills & strong customer service attitude a must. 1-2 years experience (or related academic training). Great benefits ? inc. 4 wks. vacation, pension plan. Starting salary $35,613 -- $39,309. Send resume to Kate Purcell, Chief, Human Resources, Anne Arundel County Public Library, 5 Harry S Truman Parkway, Annapolis, 21401. Must be received no later than September 28, 1998. -- Skip Booth Information System Support Manager Anne Arundel County Public Library 5 Harry S Truman Parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 From RR02 at a1.swt.edu Tue Sep 8 16:30:47 1998 From: RR02 at a1.swt.edu (Richard K. Riley) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: University Webmaster - SWTexas State University Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: University Webmaster 9/2/98 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:11:53 CDT Size: 3906 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980908/b0100aa9/attachment.eml From online1 at erols.com Sat Sep 19 06:23:50 1998 From: online1 at erols.com (Irene Upshur) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: REQUEST: Library/Media Center Mergers Message-ID: <36038633.FE70E40D@erols.com> I am interested in locating profound, quantitative research regarding the merger of the university library and the university media or A/V center. Historically, the A/V center in the basement was more or less an adjunct to the library upstairs. It seems that by sheer evolution, these two entities want to become one. In terms of staffing, equipment, skill and mindset differences, the evolution is not elegant. I would greatly appreciate access to research on this topic as well as any non-anecdotal information. Thanks for considering this request. Irene Upshur Marymount University Arlington, Virginia From albee at revealed.net Sat Sep 19 10:33:01 1998 From: albee at revealed.net (John Albee) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a listserv which specializes in Historical Romance? Thanks. John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... From tedelblu at usiu.edu Sat Sep 19 13:00:50 1998 From: tedelblu at usiu.edu (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Message-ID: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3CA4@misnt1.usiu.edu> Whenever I am looking for a listserv on a particular subject, I go to http://www.wcsu.ctstateu.edu/library/rr_electronic_discussion_groups.htm l Thomas Edelblute tedelblu@usiu.edu -----Original Message----- From: John Albee [mailto:albee@revealed.net] Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 7:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Does anyone know of a listserv which specializes in Historical Romance? Thanks. John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... From mike at tcnet.org Thu Sep 24 01:22:51 1998 From: mike at tcnet.org (Mike McGuire) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Tech coordinator position available Message-ID: The Traverse Area District Library in Traverse City, Michigan, is currently seeking an individual to head a new department for the new main library which will open to the public in January 1999. The person in this position will provide technical support for automated systems, public access computing, microcomputing, and local and wide area networks. This person will also coordinate, plan, develop and implement automated systems for all library functions and services. BS in computer science or MLS or appropriate experience required. Salary range is in the mid-30s to lower 40s and the anticipated start date is mid-October 1998. Our community-oriented Library serves over 70,000 people; employs 50 full-time and part-time employees (expected to increase to about 70 after the new library opens); and, has an annual operating budget in excess of $2.3 million. For a complete job description and application instructions, visit our web site at . Please feel free to pass this on to other interested parties. Mike McGuire Director, Traverse Area District Library Administrator, Traverse Community Network From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:06:17 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] javascript/URL targets References: <199809231523.LAA231100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <19980924.080634.3686.2.rjtiess@juno.com> "Kevin W. Bishop" writes: >We would like the hyperlinks inside this newly opened browser to >target the initial browser window. In other words, rather than clicking links >and have the pages appear in the newly opened browser, we would like the >initial browser (containing the "site info" button) to be receiving >the requested documents. (I've heard this described as the >"remote-control" effect.) Kevin, I created a "remote control" version of Proteus, which is a version of Proteus I regard more as a concept car--interesting to build, maybe to look at, but would anyone want to drive it? Anyway, you can view it and the code at http://www.thrall.org/proteus.html (scroll down to More Information, select REMOTE). I don't recall the direct URL offhand (it may be /proremote.html)--it's been a while. Warning: I wouldn't try this on anything below MSIEXP or Netscape 3.0. I still prefer the HTML method of referencing windows. Hope that helps. Robert - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:06:30 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Link Checker, Xenu References: <000101bde71d$43a693a0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <19980924.080634.3686.3.rjtiess@juno.com> Wilfred Drew writes: >I use Xenu which is free and checks all links on a site, not just on >the current page. It is at: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html I downloaded Xenu about two months ago, used it several times, and my computer locked each time. It is a very fast program, but I couldn't get it to process a single page of ten or so links-- most likely due to my setup. Another thing about Link Checker-- it demonstrates how one might be able to use Java to create a web crawler through its HTML sampling. Plus it's public domain. No patents pending there! :-) Another interesting service I heard of is NetMinder, which I believe remotely monitors web pages for changes and e-mails you whenever those pages are updated. I don't have the URL, but I have seen websites with a NM prompt and also the main site at one point. The latest Netscape often drives you to its "keywords" search center when it encounters 404s. GeoCities and Tripod, web hosts, also do this. Some of this wouldn't be necessary if there were forwarding addresses left at old URLs when web services are relocated--or termination of service notices, if that's the case --either as a courtesy of the ISP/web host or the web developer. It seems people I speak with are spending more time than ever searching for sites and pages instead of finding actual information, and they're using the "big" directories and search engines. Library Internet guides are much stabler and more dependable. Locating URLs and moved web pages was a high priority when I created Advanced Search (http://www.thrall.org/proadv.html), which allows you to search the titles of web pages, the URLs, scope results to domains/ISO country codes.... Advanced searches are often the only way to go these days, and I wish more patrons and staff members would take the time to learn these search tactics. Robert - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:08:50 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape history function Message-ID: <19980924.080908.3686.4.rjtiess@juno.com> Cleo Pappas writes: >Is there a way to disarm the history function of Netscape. Before launching Netscape, drop into DOS (click Start, Run, enter 'command', press Enter, CD\ to your Netscape user directory, find and delete (DEL) the NETSCAPE.HST file, start up EDIT, press return a few times, save the file as NETSCAPE.HST in the _same_ subdirectory as the old .HST file, exit Edit, type 'attrib +r netscape.hst' (minus quotes), type 'exit' to leave DOS, launch Netscape, and that should be it. To test it, go online, visit a few sites, press CTRL+H. History window should be blank. Robert (P. S. The above can be done in Explorer/Notepad, but I prefer working at the command line.) - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kristinh at lv.is Thu Sep 24 09:37:27 1998 From: kristinh at lv.is (kristinh@lv.is) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Help wanted - Choosing a book! Message-ID: <00256689.00493F65.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Hello Web4Lib people, I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm told - one of those - if not both - are excellent - Which one do you recommend? Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating Interactivity and Design Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568303734 Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition David S. Siegel, David Seigel / Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568304331 I would be greatful for any comments. Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: +354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: http://www.lv.is/enska Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ ******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston Hughes From cameron at loyno.edu Thu Sep 24 10:13:15 1998 From: cameron at loyno.edu (Robert Cameron) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Access control on WebSite 1.1 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980924091302.00689e9c@loyno.edu> We have been using the free O'Reilly WebSite 1.1 server on an NT 4.0 Pentium for the last year and have no complaints. I can't, however, get the access control feature to work. If anyone out there has experience with WebSite 1.1 and specifically access control, your private response and offer of advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Robert Cameron Systems Coordinator University Library Loyola University New Orleans cameron@loyno.edu From thom at indiana.edu Thu Sep 24 10:19:25 1998 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! In-Reply-To: <00256689.00493F65.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Message-ID: Not sure what you want to do but I've read Siegel's and also Roger Black's book and find "Elements of Web Design" by Darcy DiNucci to be much better. I use this book in a number of classes I teach at Indiana U. Throw in Rosenfeld's "Information Architecture" and you shoudl be ready to roll. \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.mime.indiana.edu www.mediajazz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 kristinh@lv.is wrote: > > > > Hello Web4Lib people, > I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm told - one of those - if > not both - are excellent - Which one do you recommend? > > Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating > Interactivity and Design > Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568303734 > > Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition > David S. Siegel, David Seigel / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568304331 > > I would be greatful for any comments. > > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > Information Architect > Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company > Haaleitisbraut 68 > 103 Reykjavik > Iceland > Tel: +354-515-9111 > Fax: +354-515-9116 > e-mail: kristinh@lv.is > Web: http://www.lv.is/enska > > Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ > > ******************************************** > Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that > cannot fly. > - Langston Hughes > > From minliu at lilrc.org Thu Sep 24 14:53:04 1998 From: minliu at lilrc.org (Min Liu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Netscape Won't Load Images Message-ID: <360A9510.7099@lilrc.org> Hi there! Help please. We have Netscape Communicator Professional edition (4.01) on a Windows 95 terminal. Recently, when visit certain sites, images and frames on the page won't be loaded. I installed the Navigator Gold to the same machine and it could retrieve everything. Therefore, this is not a connection problem. I also checked the cache under network preferences, everything is by default. Does anybody know what could cause this strange behaviour of the Communicator? TIA. Min Liu ------- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Min Liu, Regional Automation Coordinator * * Long Island Library Resources Council * * Melville Library Building, Suite E5310 * * Stony Brook, NY 11794-3399 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Sep 24 16:02:21 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] javascript/URL targets References: <199809231523.LAA231100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <360AA54C.C72E3F76@am.appstate.edu> I'm not sure about a none JScript version so, although this is javascript I'll submit it for what its worth,( uh , whats it worth?$$$) it appears to me that the line in the index page remote.opener = self; says to use that index page for the target. and the "http://..." in this page is definitly the remote control html remote.location.href = The code is copyright but licensed for free according to the shown comments. And for those that aren't aware, the ^M is a carriage return from creating a file in DOS and serving it on a UNIX machine or at least having it open with vi on a unix machine. The index page at http://am.appstate.edu/~bennettt/Grandfather/remote/index.html is shown below. The email link is incorrect. I did this over a year ago to experiment with remote so it hasn't been updated and my style was much crudeder than it is today, please forgive. Its only a background picture with the submit button for the "reomte control" Index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grandfather Mountain Test Page

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The actual "remote control" page basically replace your urls with the ones inside the parenthesis of JavaScriptfetch(). and the On mouse over text ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Menu Page Grandfather Mountain Test Page

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Best viewed with Netscape 3.x or 4.x

HOMEPAGE The Jim Morton photo
SYNOPSIS OF THIS SITE Overview
SHORT BIOGRAPHY Meet Hugh Morton
NEWS New Events
CALENDAR OF EVENTS The Calendar
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Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > I realize this can be done w/o using javascript in a much simpler fashion, > but please humor me for a second. > > At the bottom of a page we're developing, we have inserted > >
> >
> > // which opens the following > > function site_info() { > iwin = window.open("site_info.html","IWIN", > > "scrollbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,toolbar=yes,location=yes,menu=yes,wi > dth=325,height=375"); > } > > [The coding isn't in that order, of course.] > We would like the hyperlinks inside this newly opened browser to target the > initial browser window. In other words, rather than clicking links and > have the pages appear in the newly opened browser, we would like the > initial browser (containing the "site info" button) to be receiving the > requested documents. (I've heard this described as the "remote-control" > effect.) > > We've mucked around w/the script and w/the TARGET attribute in places w/o > luck, and haven't been able to find any websites with related information. > Any suggestions? (Replies offlist are probably most appropriate.) > > Thanks. > -kb > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop bishopk@rpi.edu > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute http://www.rpi.edu/ > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > ______________________________________________________________________ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From esche_ma at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us Thu Sep 24 17:35:05 1998 From: esche_ma at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us (Margaret Escherich) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) Message-ID: Kristin - Here is some advice from a friend of mine in the computer technical book industry. -Margaret Escherich Oakland Public Library Oakland, CA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:52:43 -0800 From: Simon Hayes To: Margaret Escherich Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) If the question is which did they heard about, then it is the siegal book, the second one. It was/is a HUGE seller, from our friends at hayden. It's a little dated now, but in many ways it was the first design book for web sites. Which does not mean it is not without it's problem and idiosyncracies. Within the web design community much of the advice is suspect. For instance, siegal's theories include the use of an entrance and exit "tunnel" on all web sites. You've seen these things: you go to a web site and get just a single page, which morphs into another. You don't get to the "main" page of the site for a little while. Many people think this is insane as it defeats the whole purpose of hypertext and ignores the principle strengths of the medium. there are other things too, like his whole division of web sites into first, 2nd and third generation sites. The truth is that as a document designer siegal was an unkown. Before he wrote killer he made fonts for a living. But on the other hand it's easy to see the criticisms of his book as so much sour grapes from designers who did not pounce on the web as quickly as he did. It's impossible to argue with the success of his book or the effect his ideas have had on the early days of web site design. Today though, it may be fair to say that killer is reaching the end of it's run, and may become dated quite soon. I believe siegal was involved in the first book too, either as a co-author or series editor. With any one-off like killer that does well, a whole series of killer books are bound to follow. This interaction book is one of those. Sales on the rest of the killer series have not even come close to creating killer, the original. I don't know much about this interaction book, but it is an important topic. A number of books have been published on the idea, but few have done well. It's a complicated subject, and one that the market en masse does not appear to be ready for yet, more is the pity. There is a book by Roger Black on web site design, also from hayden, I think. If the person is looking for a sophsiticated look at advanced design topics, that is probably the one, as Black has more design credentials than just about anybody alive. If the need is more for a friendly, beginners look at web site design principles and techniques, a little more hands on, then the best bet is Robin Williams' "The Non-designers Web Design Book" by Peachpit press. Easily the best web design book for beginners. /s > hey babe- what's your advice on the following? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:45:56 >-0700 (PDT) From: kristinh@lv.is To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing >a book! > > > > Hello Web4Lib people, I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm >told - one of those - if not both - are excellent - Which one do you >recommend? > >Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating >Interactivity and Design Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / >Published 1997 ISBN: 1568303734 > >Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition David S. Siegel, David Seigel / >Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568304331 > >I would be greatful for any comments. > >Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The >National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: >+354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: >http://www.lv.is/enska > >Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ > >******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if >dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston >Hughes > > > From johnste at PILOT.MSU.EDU Tue Sep 29 07:26:16 1998 From: johnste at PILOT.MSU.EDU (Stephanie John) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BDEB7A.72A511C0@schi71.schi.msu.edu> I've searched Netscape's manual and site and various books. I've posted this question to a couple listservs and newsgroups and haven't gotten an answer. I've searched the 'net and done everything else I can think of... Can you help? Our network is Ethernet with category 5 cable, dumb hubs, and an old Netblazer router connected to one ISDN line. The computer guys want us to shut Netscape when we're not using it because they feel that it ties up the ISDN line for others. Does Navigator, Communicator or Internet Explorer tie up a shared ISDN when you're NOT pulling in data, and you're NOT using channels or other 'push' technology? Does it tie up the network in ANY way? Thanks in advance, Stephanie *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%**%*%*%*%*%* Stephanie C. John, M.Ln., D.M.,A.H.I.P. Director, Saginaw Health Sciences Library Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals, Inc. 1000 Houghton Ave., Saginaw MI 48602-5398 Phone: 517/771-6846 johnste@pilot.msu.edu Fax: 517/771-6898 Library website: www.chm.msu.edu/schilib/welcome.html From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Sep 29 08:18:35 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Drake Equation for the web In-Reply-To: <199809290939.CAA17229@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980929081835.016fa418@panix.com> This is very amusing. However, a couple of questions. Are all of these factors multiplied (e.g. are you using x for * )? Also, I agree with the general principle that the Internet is an info-trash-barge with some good gleanings to be found by determined dumpster-divers. But surely not all good information is well-designed or even accurate (after all, a book on creationism is "good" if it contributes to a broadening of access to viewpoints), and the definitions of quality and utility are wide open to interpretation. Furthermore, in libraries we have used "cataloging" very narrowly, and primarily with reference to one paper-based format (otherwise known as "the book"). You don't catalog all magazine articles housed or transmitted into your library, for example--you rely on other tools for this access. So "the catalog" proper is only representative of a certain type or level of access to a certain type of data. The concept of what is "worth cataloging" may not port well to the Internet; the mechanism itself may be the problem--that we still think in terms of creating a finding aid structured like a library catalog, when that model may not apply or be feasible to a different information environment. Anyway, this is a fun issue to tussle with :-) >Sc=Wp x fs x ft x fg x fi x fu > >where >Sc is the number of web sites worth cataloging >Wp is the total number of web pages on the Internet >fs is the fraction of those pages that constitute distinct web sites >ft is the fraction of web sites with topical informational content >fg is the fraction of sites with accurate, current, comprehensive, >well-maintained, and well-designed content >fi is the fraction of sites that are findable, i.e. have been indexed in >robot engines or announced in current awareness tools >and fu is the fraction that haven't been moved or pulled down since being >indexed or announced. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Sep 29 09:01:25 1998 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Drake Equation for the web Message-ID: <003001bdeba9$4427c7a0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> -----Original Message----- From: Karen G. Schneider To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:24 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Drake Equation for the web >This is very amusing. However, a couple of questions. Are all of these >factors multiplied (e.g. are you using x for * )? Yes--the factors starting with f are fractions. (You can start with 400 million as a value for Wp) >But surely not all >good information is well-designed or even accurate (after all, a book on >creationism is "good" if it contributes to a broadening of access to >viewpoints), and the definitions of quality and utility are wide open to >interpretation. Sure, it's subjective, but I'd still maintain that "good" information is well-designed and accurate. >Furthermore, in libraries we have used "cataloging" very >narrowly, and primarily with reference to one paper-based format (otherwise >known as "the book"). You don't catalog all magazine articles housed or >transmitted into your library, for example--you rely on other tools for >this access. So "the catalog" proper is only representative of a certain >type or level of access to a certain type of data. The concept of what is >"worth cataloging" may not port well to the Internet; If it doesn't, then the whole concept of web guides--subject directories--should be dismissed, because what they're doing is "cataloging". Yet obviously they have been found valuable by users. BTW, developers of topical web guides might be further encouraged by adding another factor to the equation, fs, where fs is the fraction of items on a specific topic (as calculated by the number of categories in your favorite subject thesaurus (say, 40,000 for Yahoo or 70,000 for LCSH). [and now I'm being really facetious, since all subjects aren't equal]. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From jmk at Synopsys.COM Tue Sep 29 11:52:13 1998 From: jmk at Synopsys.COM (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: KM survey Message-ID: <199809291552.IAA02381@marius.synopsys.com> Has anyone done a survey of executives to discover how they're getting information? If so, could I have a copy? I have to perform one for my corporation. jmk@synopsys.com Thanks. -janet From aa175 at torfree.net Tue Sep 29 13:11:23 1998 From: aa175 at torfree.net (Ken McCracken) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: web server recommendations In-Reply-To: <199809290943.CAA17467@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: > > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:51:15 -0400 > From: Tamm Sissac > To: web4lib > Subject: web server recommendations > > I would appreciate hearing your recommendations. http://www.corel.com/news/1998/june/netwinder.htm http://www.netwinder.org/ This seems like a good deal to me at $699US from Corel. With advanced I/O capabilities, meant for developers of applications for this Web-ready 275Mhz RISC StrongARM/Linux/Apache platform. Has anyone tried this machine out? Ken McCracken Toronto Freenet person and Web4lib lurker > > thanks > > tamm > -- > _______________________________ > Tamm Sissac > Information Systems Librarian > SUNY New Paltz > Sojourner Truth Library > 75 S. Manheim Blvd. C141A > New Paltz, NY 12561 > (914)257-3657 > (914)257-3718 (fax) > sissact@matrix.newpaltz.edu > _______________________________ > From theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us Tue Sep 29 13:31:48 1998 From: theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us (Hillary Theyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "value added" engines In-Reply-To: <360F8E69.260D@ccsu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980929103148.006a68a0@muse.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> The Electric Library and Homework Helper both do the same thing, but they charge to see the articles. http://www.elibrary.com http://www.homeworkhelper.com At 06:28 AM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Web4lib-- >The Northern Light search engine has a component that locates searchers' >keyword input from a "special collection" (this amounts to a >bibliographic database of magazine and journal articles) as well as >searching for web documents. > >Is anyone aware of any other search engines that offer this service, >namely, to do a parallel search in a database of traditional print >publications? > >Thank you for your help, >Nicho