From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Sep 1 08:10:01 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Web4Lib Frequently Asked Questions List Message-ID: <199809011210.IAA07333@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> WEB4LIB FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This is the current set of Frequently Asked Questions (or, perhaps, Frequently Needed Answers) for the Web4Lib mailing list. Questions in this message: How do I unsubscribe from Web4Lib? What help is available if the listserv won't do what I want? Where are the list's archives? Where is its Web site? What topics are usually considered on- and off-topic? Is there a list for Internet filtering? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE FROM WEB4LIB? To unsubscribe from Web4Lib, you must e-mail the listserv program that distributes the list. PLEASE NOTE: this is a different address than the list itself. 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From wfs at ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 1 10:58:26 1998 From: wfs at ix.netcom.com (Bill Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Position Announcement - Connecticut Library Network Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980901105826.00685f94@popd.ix.netcom.com> SEARCH EXTENDED CONNECTICUT STATE LIBRARY INFORMATION ARCHITECT The Connecticut State Library is seeking a highly energetic, technically knowledgeable individual with superb interpersonal skills who will work with us to develop the current statewide bibliographic database ("reQuest") into a one-stop, Web-accessible resource that is a window to the holdings of every library in Connecticut. You will work and learn in an environment that encourages innovation, creative thinking, and cross-disciplinary research. This is a high priority, high visibility project of the Connecticut Library Network (http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/cln) serving every citizen of the state. The Information Architect will promote the awareness and use of the service throughout the state; ensure the integrity and quality control of the database; ensure compliance with contractual requirements; plan and coordinate the migration of the database from a centralized to a distributed resource; plan and coordinate training of library staff; perform ongoing systems administration/network support duties; plus other duties as required. Travel required. Qualifications: A Masters Degree in Library Science or Information Science from an ALA-accredited library school, or a Masters Degree in a field closely related to information technology and three (3) years post-graduate professional employment in a library systems environment. Salary: Starting salary $49,382 with annual increases to $59,868 plus fringe benefit package. Applications: A position description with full duties and complete qualifications is available upon request or you may visit the Connecticut State Library website at http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/jobs.htm. This position will remain open until filled, however priority will be given to applications received by October 15, 1998. Please submit letter of application with resume to David Peck, Human Resources/Affirmative Action Program Manager, Connecticut State Library, 231 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, CT 06106. Qualified women, minorities, individuals with disabilities, veterans and older persons are encouraged to apply. The Connecticut State Library is an EEO/AA employer. From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Sep 1 12:17:36 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Agent-based, Automated Cataloging Message-ID: _Agent-based, Automated Cataloging_ In a recent review of the potential application of Agent technologies for Collection Development and E-Serials I consider the possibility of using appropriate Intelligent Software Agents for 'automated' cataloging of e-publications. To expand on this issue (and to have sufficient background information on a future article (1999) on the Agent-based, Automated Cataloging), I am greatly interested in learning of any commerical or experimental efforts to automate various processes associated with the Cataloging function. I am aware of work on the application of Expert Systems for cataloging as well as Micheal Heaney's work on 'Object-Oriented Cataloging' and early 1990s thinking on this topic. I am also aware of the Scorpion project at OCLC that seeks to classify and assign subject headings to electronic resources. [For information on Scorpion and other related OCLC research project see: http://www.oclc.org:5047/oclc/research/publications/publications.html] For a good overview of Intelligent Software Agents, Interested Folk are invited to visit my LibraryAgents(sm) project that provides links to key Intelligent Software Agent resources at the following URL: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Agents.htm I am been inspired to consider the concept of Agent-based, Automated Cataloging in part from my readings on Intelligent Software Agents [We are building one of the most comprehensive colllections here at ISU in this area] and the the expansion of the Library of Congress Electronic Cataloging in Publication(ECIP) program and the the current Beta Test by LC of a Web version of its Cataloger's Desktop and Classification Plus [http://lcweb.loc.gov/cds/betareq.html] As always, Any and All citations, sources, queries, questions, comments, critiques, etc., OR speculation about the possibilities, are Most Welcome Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Alan Kay From mdowling at ala.org Tue Sep 1 12:27:41 1998 From: mdowling at ala.org (Michael Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: RUSA Looking For Outstanding Library Sites Message-ID: To highlight the quality of work that libraries are doing in creating web sites that assist users the Reference and User Services Association (RUSA) of ALA is looking for outstanding library sites from all types and sizes of libraries to showcase and model. RUSA will be collecting and evaluating sites by service such as: book discussion; reader's advisory; genealogy; local history; internet tutorials; e-mail reference; community information; senior sites; on-line newsletters; kid's pages and more. If your library has created an outstanding web service that you think should be considered as an example for other libraries, or if you have come across a library site that you thought was outstanding we'd like to hear from you. RUSA will be evaluating sites in the coming months. A number of oustanding sites for each services and type of library will be included in a new web site as models, and will be highlighted in a nationwide promotional piece showcasing the variety and quality of work that libraries are doing to help users. If you have a site or sites to submit send the URL's to Michael Dowling, Deputy Executive Director, RUSA at mdowling@ala.org. Thank you for your help! Michael Dowling Deputy Executive Director Reference & User Services Association 50 E. Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 Ph. 800-545-2433 ext.4397 Fax 312-944-8085 e-mail: mdowling@ala.org From godefroy at issn.org Tue Sep 1 12:58:42 1998 From: godefroy at issn.org (Pierre Godefroy) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ISSN ONline : the ISSN register is now available on the Web Message-ID: <35EC27C2.763C525@issn.org> (OUr apologies for any inconvenience resulting from cross-posting) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The ISSN Register was already available on CD-ROM (ISSN Compact) : ISSN Online is now (as from August 1998) one of the fundamental bibliographic resources available over the Web. The ISSN Register is a comprehensive tool which can be used for several purposes : - world-wide bibliographic searches on serial publications - cataloguing (records can be downloaded and re-used for specific purposes) - constitution of controlled authority files based on ISSN (database management) The ISSN (International Standard Serial Number) is universally accepted as the prime means of identifying serials (journals, magazines, periodicals of any kind), a vital first step for the management of the articles or contributions they contain. Its use is essential throughout the information chain, from publisher (and from the author of every single contribution or article) to the reader, through document delivery utilities, abstracting and indexing services, subscription agents, libraries, union catalogues, newsagents...., for the efficient management of research, ordering and cataloguing. To date, some 900,000 serials published in 180 countries have been registered and have had an ISSN (International Standard Serial Number) assigned. The ISSN network, an intergovernmental organization, is based in 67 National Centres which obtain data at source in the framework of national bibliographies and legal deposit. Each year, it identifies more than 40,000 publications. The ISSN International Centre in Paris, which is responsible for the coordination of the network, registers itself titles published by international institutions (United Nations, Unesco, OECD, European Community...) and international associations (scientific unions, learned societies, etc.) i.e. currently more than 13,000 titles. The sustained growth of electronic serials is reflected in ISSN Online. More and more e-serials (whether online or on different magnetic or optical media) are being added to the ISSN Register. ISSN Online is updated frequently (at least on a monthly basis). Each month some 4,000 new records are added to the ISSN Register and thousands of amendments and corrections are input. All the additions to the ISSN Register may be searched and browsed separately. ISSN Online is a truly multilingual database : some 150 different languages are represented in the ISSN Register. Non Latin scripts are transliterated into the Latin alphabet according to the corresponding ISO standards. Special characters and diacritics are rendered through Unicode characters and displayed on most available browsers. ISSN Online is available to all Internet users on a free trial basis. The trial period expires after one month, during which up to 40 search requests may be launched, 400 records visualised and 10 records downloaded (in their original ISO 2709 exchange format). Just fill up the trial request form (http://www.issn.org/online/trial.html) and you will receive your temporary password by e-mail. ISSN Online is available on a subscription basis, either yearly or monthly. Please refer to the subscription page (http://www.issn.org/onlineprice.html) for more information. For more information about ISSN Online, please contact us at the following address : online@issn.org Your comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. The team of the ISSN International Centre -- Pierre Godefroy Assistant to the Director / Assistant du Directeur ISSN International Centre / Centre international de l'ISSN 20 rue Bachaumont, 75002 Paris, France godefroy@issn.org Web pages / Pages sur la toile : http://www.issn.org From SheriarFdn at aol.com Tue Sep 1 13:01:52 1998 From: SheriarFdn at aol.com (SheriarFdn@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: A Library Gift Program Message-ID: <27bec6c6.35ec2880@aol.com> Dear Friends, I would like to introduce you to a library gift program sponsored by Sheriar Foundation. As outlined in the following information, we are making available free of charge a comprehensive collection of books by and about Meher Baba. This collection represents a significant contribution to the spiritual literature of the world. Meher Baba's own writings have been continuously in print and highly regarded since their publication in the 50s and 60s. His life of selfless service and divine love has been the subject of numerous biographies and personal histories. We invite you to add some or all of the titles offered in this program. We hope that you will take full advantage of this opportunity to augment your library's current selection of first rate spiritual literature. If you have any questions concerning our offer, please feel free to write, call, fax or email us. We will be happy to be of help in any way that we can. Yours truly, Sheila Krynski Chairman ********************************** A LIBRARY GIFT PROGRAM A Timeless Collection of Books by and about Meher Baba Presented by Sheriar Foundation THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM Meher Baba is widely recognized throughout the world as one of the preeminent spiritual figures of this century. A significant body of literature consisting of books authored by Meher Baba as well as serious biographical works pertaining to his life has continued to grow. Published primarily outside of mainstream commercial channels, most of these books have never been marketed in traditional ways yet all have remained in print, several since the 1950s and 1960s. The books described in this brochure significantly enrich the world’s canon of metaphysical/ mystical/spiritual literature. While Meher Baba stated that he came not to teach but to awaken, his words and his life carry a profound message and challenge concerning the underlying purpose of existence. In order to make these books more easily accessible, Sheriar Foundation has initiated a Library Gift Program that offers to make available to interested libraries any or all of the titles presented within this brochure. A non- profit corporation established with a commitment to broaden awareness and deepen appreciation of the spiritual values exemplified in the life and writings of Meher Baba, Sheriar Foundation is dedicated to exploring more dynamic ways of bringing the restorative power of divine love into people’s lives. Within this framework, all of these books are being offered free of charge to libraries interested in expanding their collection of authentic spiritual literature. For those of you who are not familiar with Meher Baba, an excerpt from an entry about him in the current Encyclopedia Britannica reads as follows: "Meher Baba saw his work as awakening the world through love to a new consciousness of the oneness of all life. To that end he lived a life of love and service which included extensive work with the poor, the physically and mentally ill, and many others, including such tasks as feeding the poor, cleaning the latrines of untouchables, and bathing lepers. He saw a responsibility to give spiritual help to ‘advanced souls,’ and traveled throughout the Indian subcontinent to find such persons." ************************* Any or all of the following books are available throught the Library Gift Program: DISCOURSES by Meher Baba. 452 pp. 7th Edition. Hardcover. Discourses has been the most widely read of Meher Baba’s books for more than fifty years. In it, the author throws light on many of life’s most perplexing problems. Inspiring and practical, Discourses provides an ever-fresh framework of spiritual perspective on the challenges of everyday existence. GOD SPEAKS by Meher Baba. 374 pp. Supplement, charts, glossary, index. Hardcover. The many diffuse concepts of spiritual truth as well as new and detailed thought patterns are clarified and brought together in this challenging and monumental work. The book describes the intricate process of reincarnation and the inward journey along the spiritual path as the soul consciously returns to the Oversoul of its origin. THE EVERYTHING AND THE NOTHING by Meher Baba. 115 pp. Paperback. Here are sixty-five messages by Meher Baba given on various occasions in the 1950s and 1960s. They cover a wide range of topics including The Lover and The Beloved; The Pearl Diver; Forgive and Forget; and God Is Shy of Strangers. The Everything and The Nothing is the most lyrical of the collections of Meher Baba’s words. LISTEN, HUMANITY by Meher Baba. narrated and edited by D. E. Stevens 262 pp. Hardback. Featuring more than 100 pages of Meher Baba' messages on such subjects as Death and Immortality, Origins and Effects of War and Notes on Freedom, this book includes a lively narrative by Don Stevens of a 4-week sahavas with Meher Baba in 1955. LIFE AT ITS BEST by Meher Baba. 73 pp. Hardcover. Meeting life squarely is the focus of this collection of fifty-eight short discourses from Meher Baba’s 1956 tour of the United States. Among its inspiring topics are: Hypocrisy; Deathless Living; Knowledge Through Experience; Control of Mind Over Energy and Matter; and The Grinding Mill of The Universe. BEAMS FROM MEHER BABA ON THE SPIRITUAL PANORAMA by Meher Baba. 88 pp. Hardcover. Beams is a companion volume to God Speaks, answering as it does questions asked by the editors of God Speaks after that book’s publication. Meher Baba here details some of the inner mechanics of the spiritual journey. THE GOD-MAN by Charles Purdom. 458 pp. Hardcover. Completed by one of Meher Baba’s early western disciples in 1962, The God-Man remains one of the most authoritative biographies of Meher Baba ever published. With access to diaries by close disciples and to "living witnesses," noted English editor Purdom presents a powerful and celebratory account of Meher Baba’s life and words. The God-Man includes much of the material included in Purdom’s earlier biography of Meher Baba, The Perfect Master, published in 1937. THAT'S HOW IT WAS by Eruch Jessawala. 424 pp. Hardcover. Eruch Jessawala, a close disciple of Meher Baba for more than half a century, here collects many of the stories he has recounted to visitors to Meher Baba’s home in India over the years. Some are stories he told to Meher Baba, some are stories Meher Baba told to his disciples. Some are humorous, some serious, some carry pointed messages. All are tightly focused on Meher Baba and carry the unique ambiance of this Avatar’s presence. THE WAYFARERS: MEHER BABA WITH THE GOD-INTOXICATED by William Donkin. 576 pp. illus. Hardcover. The Wayfarers is the only book of its kind. It chronicles in the finest detail what was a major part of Meher Baba’s work during his lifetime: contacting hundreds of those who are called masts in the East, spiritually advanced souls so enthralled with their yearning for union with God that they lose touch with the ordinary world. The volume includes Meher Baba’s explanation of the difference between the masts and the simply mad. STAY WITH GOD by Frances Brabazon. 168 pp. Hardcover. Australian poet Frances Brabazon pays homage to Meher Baba and preceding Avatars in this volume which Meher Baba called "second in importance" next to God Speaks. The story of Brabazon’s personal spiritual search is eloquently evoked in the section titled, "The Love Song of John Kerry." RAMJOO'S DIARIES 1922-1929; PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF MEHER BABA'S EARLY WORK by Ramjoo Abdulla. 585 pp. Hardcover. This intimate account of Meher Baba’s activities, kept at Meher Baba’s request, tells the incredible tale of the first seven years of his avataric mission. It also includes Sobs and Throbs, a full account of Meher Baba’s unique spiritual academy for boys in the 1920s. HOW A MASTER WORKS by Ivy O. Duce. 768 pp. Hardcover. Ivy Oneida Duce, murshida of Sufism Reoriented for many years who reoriented her group to Meher Baba, here examines Meher Baba’s working methods with his disciples, using both their and her own experiences as illustrations. The book is liberally sprinkled with anecdotes from many of Meher Baba’s followers. THE NOTHING AND THE EVERYTHING by Bhau Kalchuri. 353 pp. Hardcover. In 1967 Meher Baba told Bhau Kalchuri to write a book entitled The Nothing and The Everything and said he would give Bhau "ten percent of the book I wrote in 1925 and 1926." This is a reference to a still-missing manuscript reputed to be an expansion on God Speaks and long sought by Meher Baba’s followers. The Nothing and The Everything is Bhau’s intriguing expansion on the points Meher Baba gave him during 1967-68. LORD MEHER SERIES Hardcover. Bhau Kalchuri’s monumental biography of Meher Baba projected to have 20 volumes. Illustrated with hundreds of superb photographs, the book draws on diaries and personal interviews of many of Meher Baba’s disciples and followers. Certainly the most detailed biography of Meher Baba in print. Vol. I & II: 1894-1925 (776 pp.), Vol. III: 1925-1929 (415 pp.), Vol. IV: 1929-1932 (365 pp.), Vol. V: 1932-1934 (355 pp.), Vol. VI & VII (Part I): 1934-1940 (656 pp.), Vol. VII (Part II) & VIII:1940-1945 (576 pp.), Vol. IX & X: 1945-1952 (736 pp.), Vol. XI & XII: 1952-1954 (668 pp.). *********************************** WHAT TO DO NEXT . . . Simply decide which of the books described above you would like to add to your library’s collection. You may write, call or e-mail us with instructions as to which books you would like to receive, where they should be shipped and to whose attention. If there are any special shipping instructions, please be kind enough to make them clear to us. As we have already indicated, there will be no charges whatsoever for your library. All we ask is that you add these books to your collection so that they are readily available for whoever might be interested in them. If you have any questions concerning any part of the program that has been presented, please feel free to write or call for clarification. We thank you for your consideration of our Library Gift Program and hope that you will take full advantage of this offer to enrich your collection. SHERIAR FOUNDATION 3005 Highway 17 N. Bypass Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 (Telephone) 803-448-1106 (FAX) 803-626-2390 (Email) SheriarFdn@aol.com From wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu Tue Sep 1 14:47:59 1998 From: wynstra at iscssun.uni.edu (John Wynstra) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Position - Head, Library Technologies & Systems Message-ID: <199809011847.NAA06636@iscssun.uni.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 5525 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980901/dac0deb2/attachment.bat From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Tue Sep 1 15:06:55 1998 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Launching apps from Netscape Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980901140655.00975750@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers that were using networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference purposes. I've just replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: products that we still run locally. I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local application, which is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. The most obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to recognize a file extension and open it in an appropriate application. A FILE:// link to the datafile you want to open would then launch the external app to view that linked-to file. The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way out there? James From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Tue Sep 1 15:40:33 1998 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape Message-ID: James, Have a look at W3Launch at: http://bmbwww.leeds.ac.uk/w3launch/home.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: James Klock [mailto:j-klock@evanston.lib.il.us] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape > > > Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers > that were using > networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference > purposes. I've just > replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these > services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: > products that we > still run locally. > > I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that > following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local > application, which > is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. > The most > obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to > recognize a file > extension and open it in an appropriate application. A > FILE:// link to the > datafile you want to open would then launch the external app > to view that > linked-to file. > > The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be > "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're > talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way > out there? > > James > From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Tue Sep 1 16:18:48 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching apps from Netscape References: <3.0.32.19980901140655.00975750@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: <35EC56A7.55D90337@am.appstate.edu> Subject: Re: Shortcuts to DOS programs Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:26:40 -0700 From: TMGB To: Multiple recipients of list The solution I found last Fall which enabled us to go to a single Web interface for our menu is NTScript (info below). Set up NT Script as a helper file in netscape and you can test the notepad link from: http://www.library.appstate.edu/Admin/Tower_Test/index.html and if you don't feel safe about whats really in the prg file you can download it on netscape by holding shift when you click on it and open it up in notepad to see what it says. NT Script allows me to run anything that is locally executable including connecting to our CD Tower and using QVT Term with preconfigured login and passwords. I found NT Script originally at http://www.bhs.com Beverly Hills Software = a good repository for demo, shareware, and freeware NT and Win 95 software. How I set up ntscript for Navigator as follows: Description of type: NT Script File File Extension: prg Mime Type: application/x-ntscript Application to use: c:\path2ntscript\ntscript.exe The application has much more powerful uses than what I have done with it especially network uses. I also had to setup the Mime type on the server as well so I'm not sure how it will react to just run it locally. Thomas --- Program Info -------------------------------------------------- NTScript Jason Simotas jsimotas@rethinkit.com Rethinkit Software www.rethinkit.com (c) 1996,97 --- Pricing ------------------------------------------------------- NTScript is not free but it's not crippled in any way. If you use this program, you must register it. NTscript ............................ $40 10 pack ............................ $300 100 pack ............................ $2500 Send payment to: Rethinkit Software POB 157 New York, NY 10113-0157 Make check to: Jason Simotas Include e-mail address for registration code and update notifications. --- Description ----------------------------------------------------- ver 2.47 A 32 bit scripting language for Windows 95 and NT. - Use notepad to create script files (.prg) - Perform common administrative functions - Useable in login scripts or as standalone scripting tool - Read / Write registry settings or .ini file settings - Copy and Synchronize files / direcotories - Read / Write text files - Call other programs based on date and time James Klock wrote: > Until recently (a few hours ago), we had a set of computers that were using > networked CD-ROM products for public-access reference purposes. I've just > replaced these with Windows NT boxes that get the majority of these > services on-line. There are, however, a few hold-outs: products that we > still run locally. > > I've heard it said that there are ways of setting things up so that > following a link from Netscape will in fact open a local application, which > is not a plug-in and does not use any Netscape functionality. The most > obvious way would be to set up the Netscape Preferences to recognize a file > extension and open it in an appropriate application. A FILE:// link to the > datafile you want to open would then launch the external app to view that > linked-to file. > > The problem I have with this is that the linked-to file has to be > "downloaded" into memory by netscape-- a lengthy process when you're > talking about multimegabyte databases. Is there a better way out there? > > James -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 In librarianship--as elsewhere--the quality of service is not measured by the number of complaints received From walterg at yorku.ca Tue Sep 1 18:03:29 1998 From: walterg at yorku.ca (Walter W. Giesbrecht) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Incentive to keep your website up-to-date? Message-ID: <35EC6F31.414F0A3D@yorku.ca> >From today's LA Times > Tuesday, September 1, 1998 > > Sudan Attack Claims Faulty, U.S. Admits > By PAUL RICHTER, Times Staff Writer ----- stuff deleted ----- > U.S. officials said that at the time of the strike, they knew > that the plant had had a "grand opening" celebration to publicize > it as a major new source of medicines for Sudan, which has been > rent by a lengthy civil war. > But the officials said they did not believe that the plant > actually produced such medicines, because they saw no evidence of > such an output when they accessed a Web site for it. Web sites for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > five other pharmaceutical plants in Sudan listed the medicines > produced at those plants. Gives you incentive to keep your website up-to-date, doesn't it? -- Walter Giesbrecht walterg@yorku.ca Data Librarian (416) 736-2100 ext. 77551 York University Libraries 113Y SSB Toronto, Ontario, CANADA From d.king at usm.edu Wed Sep 2 09:06:10 1998 From: d.king at usm.edu (David King) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Incentive to keep your website up-to-date? References: <35EC6F31.414F0A3D@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <35ED42C2.6E83A43@usm.edu> > > Sudan Attack Claims Faulty, U.S. Admits > > By PAUL RICHTER, Times Staff Writer > > But the officials said they did not believe that the plant > > actually produced such medicines, because they saw no evidence of > > such an output when they accessed a Web site for it. Web sites for > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > five other pharmaceutical plants in Sudan listed the medicines > > produced at those plants. > > Gives you incentive to keep your website up-to-date, doesn't it? It's pretty scary to me - I really hope that wasn't one of the main reasons the plant was bombed. How many non-US companies even HAVE web sites, let alone sites that list 100% of their product (not to mention all the US companies that lack in this area). -- ______________________________ David King Electronic Services Librarian University of Southern Mississippi d.king@usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dlking/ From prestam at okway.okstate.edu Wed Sep 2 10:54:48 1998 From: prestam at okway.okstate.edu (Anne Prestamo) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Job Announcement/Oklahoma State University Message-ID: <9809029047.AA904744575@okway.okstate.edu> Please excuse the cross-posting. ASSISTANT PROFESSOR/SCIENCE & ENGINEERING LIBRARIAN, TENURE TRACK Oklahoma State University is a land grant university with an enrollment of 26,000 students on four campuses offering 44 doctoral degree programs. The Library, with holdings of more than 2.6 million volumes and documents, is a member of the Association of Research Libraries. The Library operates in a highly automated environment including: an online catalog (NOTIS); online access to ISI's Current Contents and several FirstSearch databases; online access to UMI's ProQuest Direct (Periodical Abstracts Research II, ABI/Inform, full-text New York Times, Newspaper Abstracts, and Digital Dissertations Abstracts); Internet access to Compendex Web and EI Village, J-Stor, Project Muse, and the Encyclopedia Americana; access to numerous locally networked cd-rom databases and other remote databases. Thirty public Internet workstations are available. The Science & Engineering Reference Division includes the Architecture and Vet Med Libraries and the Map Collection. There are eight librarians and three support staff in the Division. RESPONSIBILITIES:Assists in providing reference service including evening and weekend rotations; participates in user education programs; and performs collection management and faculty liaison activities for agriculture, nutrition sciences, and biochemistry. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: ALA-MLS. Must demonstrate the following: strong, effective reference skills; a record of providing excellent service; the ability to interact with the public in a friendly manner; excellent communication and organization skills; the ability to work well under pressure and to meet deadlines; familiarity with online public access catalogs, cd-rom databases, and the Internet; and experience instructing library users with both print and electronic resources. Desired: Degree in agricultural or biological sciences; three years post-MLS experience providing STM reference services in an academic or large public library; experience using the Internet in providing reference service; library instruction experience; active participation in state or national professional organizations. SALARY: $31,500 for 11 months. Salary and academic rank dependent upon qualifications and prior experience. BENEFITS: Social security; free health, accident and life insurance; retirement benefits available under state system and TIAA/CREF (some restrictions); 11 holidays; 22 days of sick leave per year. Opportunity to work towards advanced degree. DEADLINE: Application review begins on October 5, 1998, and continues until position is filled. Anticipated start date: January 4, 1999. APPLICATION: Send cover letter, resume, and names and addresses of three professional references to: Mrs. Jackie German, Administrative Officer, Edmon Low Library, Oklahoma State University. Stillwater, OK 74078-1071. (405) 744-6324. jlg4962@okway.okstate.edu EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER; MINORITIES AND WOMEN ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH IRCA. From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Wed Sep 2 10:13:54 1998 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Message-ID: <199809021413.HAA07089@kiki.arlington.com> Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted monthly this fall by Arlington Courseware. Three sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 4.0, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: ------------------ ---------------- subscribe links-sep the September session of Make the Link subscribe links-oct the October session of Make the Link subscribe links-nov the November session of Make the Link subscribe tune-sep the September session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-oct the October session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-nov the November session of Tune In the Net This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send email to the address in the signature line. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY admin@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From absher at sequent.com Wed Sep 2 11:17:38 1998 From: absher at sequent.com (Linda Absher (absher)) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Message-ID: <1DDAE93A2402D11188BD0000C02213F5082E5C37@gobo.sequent.com> So what happened to the XML tutorials from last May? We only received three tutorials then were dropped with no explanation or refund despite several e-mails to you. I did call you in June and asked what happened only to be told the class was being "rewritten" and that we would be receiving the rest when it was done, but I haven't heard a thing since. If we sign up for these will we be dropped from these as well? Frustrated, LInda -- Linda Absher absher@sequent.com Intranet Librarian (503) 578-3485 Sequent Computer Systems, Beaverton, OR -----Original Message----- From: Thomas P. Copley [SMTP:tcopley@gigantor.arlington.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted monthly this fall by Arlington Courseware. Three sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 4.0, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: September Session September 14 - November 6 October Session September 28 - November 20 November Session November 2 - December 23 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: ------------------ ---------------- subscribe links-sep the September session of Make the Link subscribe links-oct the October session of Make the Link subscribe links-nov the November session of Make the Link subscribe tune-sep the September session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-oct the October session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-nov the November session of Tune In the Net This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send email to the address in the signature line. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY admin@arlington.com Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Sep 2 11:53:48 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Proxy servers Message-ID: <000e01bdd689$dfb9c7c0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> As soon as I get enough material to summarize I will forward it to the list. Thanks for the interest. How do we convince our computer centers and administrators of the necessity for remote users to have the same ease of access as on campus users?(Rhetorical Question?) -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: -- From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Wed Sep 2 13:00:36 1998 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: ACCESS '98 Conference Update (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:42:47 -0600 From: David Fox Registration for Access '98 has picked up considerably over the past two weeks, and now stands at 132. Following is a breakdown of registration by geographic origin. British Columbia 16 Alberta 23 Saskatchewan 48 Manitoba 3 Ontario 11 Quebec 5 New Brunswick 1 Nova Scotia 2 Newfoundland 2 North West Territories 1 USA 20 TOTAL 132 The weekend of Oct 2-4 is going to be a busy one for Saskatoon hotels. The Delta Bessborough expects to be sold out that weekend. To date about 60 rooms have been booked to Access '98 delegates. The Bessborough is setting aside an additional 20 rooms for Access '98 until September 11. When those are gone additional rooms at the conference rate will be subject to availability. If you plan to attend Access '98 I strongly advise you to make your hotel reservation promptly. To book, call (306)244-5521 or 1-800-268-1133 and ask for the ACCESS '98 conference rate. If you are unable to get a room at the Delta Bessborough, ask your travel agent to check availability at other Saskatoon hotels. If you have already registered for Access '98 we look forward to seeing you in Saskatoon in October. If not, please visit the Access '98 Website at: http://library.usask.ca/access98/ to discover the best conference value for 1998! Regards, David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Fox phone: (306)966-6031 Chair, Access '98 Planning Committee fax: (306)966-6040 University of Saskatchewan Libraries email: fox@sklib.usask.ca Room 163 Main Library/Murray Building 3 CAMPUS DRIVE SASKATOON, SK S7N 5A4 CANADA home page: http://library.usask.ca/~fox/ Access '98: http://library.usask.ca/access98/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu Wed Sep 2 15:57:12 1998 From: lcohen at cnsvax.albany.edu (Laura Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Creative way of gathering suggestions, comments, etc. Message-ID: <01J1C4QQQSC88Y6ULD@cnsvax.albany.edu> I am attempting to gather examples of interesting ways in which libraries use a Web-based function to gather comments from its users about the library, its services and collections. I'm not interested in simple comments forms, with one generic textarea box that invites people to sound off. I'm wondering if there are more precise, complex or creative examples of comments functions on library Web pages. One example might be the use of a survey function. Does anyone know of such examples? Thanks, -- Laura Cohen Laura B. Cohen Network Services Librarian The University at Albany University Libraries UL-140 Albany, NY 12222 Phone: 518-442-3492 LCOHEN@cnsvax.albany.edu From rjtiess at juno.com Wed Sep 2 17:09:25 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Creative way of gathering suggestions, comments, etc. References: <01J1C4QQQSC88Y6ULD@cnsvax.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19980902.171610.3702.0.rjtiess@juno.com> Dear Laura, "Suggest a Source" is an example of how patrons can suggestion acquisitions for our electronic/Internet Resource and print collections. The page is at the following URL: http://www.thrall.org/sas.htm That service is also integrated (linkwise) into all our Internet Resource Guides so users may suggest links. It's proven to be a most useful tool. We also have a simpler feedback box, which you indicated no interest in, but it's available for others who may be interested: http://www.thrall.org/suggest.htm (The Virtual Suggestion Box) We also have key e-mail addresses posted throughout the site and a library phone directory for additional input channels. Robert J. Tiess Webmaster . . Middletown Thrall Library . Goshen Public Library & Historical Society . Literacy Volunteers of America Middletown NY Inc. . The New Athenaeum, Neptune, and other sites . . . . Laura Cohen writes: >I am attempting to gather examples of interesting ways in which libraries >use a Web-based function to gather comments from its users about the >library, its services and collections. > >I'm not interested in simple comments forms, with one generic textarea >box that invites people to sound off. I'm wondering if there are more >precise, complex or creative examples of comments functions on library >Web pages. >One example might be the use of a survey function. > >Does anyone know of such examples? > >Thanks, -- Laura Cohen > > Laura B. Cohen > Network Services Librarian The University at Albany > University Libraries UL-140 Albany, NY 12222 > Phone: 518-442-3492 LCOHEN@cnsvax.albany.edu > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 2 18:43:12 1998 From: CSTENS at mx.tol.lib.ca.us (CHRIS STENSVOLD) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: Thousand Oaks, CA - Job Announcement Message-ID: There is one full-time librarian position and several hourly, part-time librarian openings within Information and Children's Services at the Grant R. Brimhall Library of the Thousand Oaks Library System. The purpose of this recruitment is to establish an eligibility list from which the current hourly and full-time vacancies may be filled as well as future Librarian vacancies that may occur over the next six months. The part-time staff would work Reference Desks primarily evenings and weekends between 10 to 15 hours per week at $20.00 per hour. At a pay range of $2755-3443 per month, the full-time librarian duties include provision of general and in-depth reference and reader's advisory service, online searching using a variety of databases, selection of print and non-print materials for both children and adults, and planning and presenting appropriate library programs to the public. Qualifications (for both positions) include knowledge of current trends, principles and practices of public librarianship; general and specialized reference and bibliographic sources for all age groups; classification and cataloging principles; indexing procedures and practices; modern technologies including the use of standard online research sources and the Internet; reader's advisory methodology and theory; reference interviewing techniques, and current publishing trends. The positions require the ability to conduct reference interviews and recommend appropriate resources; establish and maintain good rapport with the general public and staff; interpret library policies to the public; communicate clearly, both orally and in writing; and portray a service-oriented, helpful attitude at public service desks and over the telephone. The full-time position also requires knowledge of principles and methods of collection development and the ability to plan and present informational or children's programs or tours; prepare specialized bibliographies and pathfinders; effectively evaluate library services and programs; promote interest in library services and participate in functional activities of the library. Education and experience (for both positions): Posession of an ALA-accredited Masters Degree in Library Science. A valid Class C California driver's license required. A minimum of one year of public library reference experience. The City of Thousand Oaks offers a generous benefit package and the policy is to promote equal employment opportunity to all without regard to sex, sexual preference, age, race, color, religious creed, national origin, ancestry, marital status, disabiltiy, medical condition or other non-merit factors. Incorporated in 1964, the City of Thousand Oaks is a General Law City located in Ventura County, 27 miles east of Ventura and 36 miles west of Los Angeles. Nestled in the beautiful Conejo Valley, the City's 112,000 residents enjoy an ideal climate and an abundance of recreational facilities and cultural attractions. The community encompasses 55 square miles and offers diversified commercial shopping, modern school systems and a wide range of housing opportunities. To apply, a City application and supplemental application form must be received in the Human Resources Office by Friday, September 11, 1998, by 5:30 p.m. Faxed resumes/applications will not be accepted. Apply to: Human Resources Office, City of Thousand Oaks, 2100 Thousand Oaks Blvd., Thousand Oaks, CA 91362, (805) 449-2144. From listbot at mccmedia.com Wed Sep 2 20:32:15 1998 From: listbot at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: From what point of view is a library chaotic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35EDAA2200000059@mail.mccmedia.com> (added by mail.mccmedia.com) I hope this question isn't too off-the-wall for Web4Lib, but I'm hoping I can ask it in a way that is at least interesting. I'm working with the notion that "organization" is a relative term. That is, one person's order is another's chaos. The question that emerges is the one in the subject of this message: From what point of view is a library chaotic? A similar, perhaps easier, question would be, "For which potential clientele is the library least well organized?" I hope I'm not assuming too much when I suggest that libraries *are* chaotic to some people. This is for the book I'm working on. I'm not sure if I mentioned in my last question, but the latest working title for it is, "Metanoia: The Co-evolution of Technology and Thought." Nick From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Wed Sep 2 20:42:27 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy servers In-Reply-To: <000e01bdd689$dfb9c7c0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> from Wilfred Drew at "Sep 2, 98 09:08:43 am" Message-ID: <199809030042.UAA09487@goon.stg.brown.edu> > How do we convince our computer centers and administrators of the > necessity for remote users to have the same ease of access as on- > campus users? I don't know if you intended to post this note to the list, but your query merits some response: If your computer centers and administrat- ors don't understand the importance of access for remote users, then they should find other work. I work in a university setting, and we have professors on sabbatical; students, professors, and staff who don't live on-campus; affiliated (e.g., medical school faculty) in off-site clinics; graduate students doing fieldwork (the list goes on and on). All of these people need off-site access to on-campus resources. No competent university af- filiated IS department worth its salt can hang these constituencies out to dry. Richard Goerwitz Brown University From cchick at earthlink.net Thu Sep 3 00:48:23 1998 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:15:59 2005 Subject: LLRX Update - Sept. 1, 1998 Message-ID: <35EE1F97.8083E2B8@earthlink.net> New on LLRX for Sept. 1, 1998 Sabrina I. Pacifici & Cindy L. Chick, Editors http://www.llrx.com Electronic Rule Making: Broadcast List Servers, Hypertext Manuscripts, Proprietary Formats and Tagged Email - With this article, Phillip A. McAfee once again provides a comprehensive analysis of a complex issue, this time on the use of HTML to disseminate government information through the Web. He details how the current rule making process could be substantially enhanced by using the connectivity of the Web. Using the HHS process as an example, Phillip examines the capability of current Web applications to considerably broaden the availability of important information to the public regarding the regulatory process. Additionally, he has included related hypertext references, and a table which compares the status of electronic rule making in seven federal agencies. (Posted 9/1/98) What's the Jurisdiction on that One? A Quick Tour of Internet and Print Resources for Determining Federal Jurisdictional Questions in the United States - Roger Vicarius Skilbeck highlights resources that will assist you in determining information such as the appropriate federal location for a given action; court rule distance requirements; and how to geographically locate a specific court house. (Posted 9/1/98) In this month?s ResearchWire, titled Virtual Reference for Real Lawyers, Genie Tyburski proposes that you consider creating a personal library of links to assist with Web research. To facilitate this process, she takes you step-by-step through the process of using basic HTML. As an added bonus, Genie has included a template which you may implement immediately to create a mini intranet of research resources at your desktop. (Posted 9/1/98) In this month?s Guide on the Side, Marie Wallace discusses using props when making a presentation. She discusses the four general classes into which props fall, and how and when to use them to best advantage. (Posted 9/1/98) Product Review -- MARCit: Web Site Cataloging Made Easy - If you are interested in a product to assist you in the task of cataloging Internet resources, click on this article by Cathy Adamo, who provides the required specifications and capabilities of this software. (Posted 9/1/98) Margaret Berkland's new installment of Links in the News includes a site that links to supreme court decisions from 19 countries; a database that contains over 20,000 defense related acronyms and abbreviations; a search engine enabled site providing information on over 150,000 publications and over 8,000 newspapers; and for good measure, as Y2K issues remain of paramount interest, a site from the World Bank with links to topical information worldwide. (Posted 9/1/98) In On the Newsstand, there are links to a wide range of techie articles, including: the inside scoop on the meteoric rise of YAHOO!; how Y2K problems are beginning to generate law suits; a review of Derwent's new Web-based Patent database; the future of the Web browser; and the Library of Congress plans for the future. LLRXbookstore includes a couple of new titles such as a recent addition to the "Dummies" series and another one on International legal research. -----------------------KeyCite------------------- KeyCite sm, a powerful new citator and case-finder by West Group, integrates West-reported case law, full-text headnotes, and West's Topic and Key Numbers into a super-efficient system for finding cases on point. Find out how to revolutionize your legal research today. Visit-----> http://www.westgroup.com/keycite From pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org Fri Sep 4 06:45:02 1998 From: pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org (Pingsheng Chen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: need help from everybody Message-ID: <199809041446.KAA06134@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Hi Everybody, I tried to set up telnet applicaiton in the Preference of Netscape 4.5. Next day I turned on the pc, when you clicked each application on my machine, one telnet application is open. It looks like telnet replace all the files with .exe as extension. Any file with different extension look ok. What should I do to bring back all my applicaitons? Any suggestions will be greatly helpful. Thank you. Ping Electronic Services/Reference Librarian Worcester Public Library From gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us Fri Sep 4 11:22:15 1998 From: gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us (Gerald M. Furi) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? Message-ID: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> I've noticed a disturbing inconsistency in the way Netscape (4.++) and MSIE (4.-5 beta) handle the simple NAME attribute of the anchor tag. We were testing internal document hyperlinks on an upcoming web page. The hyperlinks form a mini-navigation text menu in a table layout. There are six internal hyperlinks in the table. E.g., bleah and the corresponding blah. MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? TIA Gerald M. Furi Assistant Director, Farmington Community Library System Administrator, Metro Net Library Consortium, Inc. 248.848.4302 your text here From ray.serebrin at spl.org Fri Sep 4 11:44:59 1998 From: ray.serebrin at spl.org (Ray Serebrin) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Hogging the Internet Terminals Message-ID: Hello. My name is Ray Serebrin and I am Acting Director of Neighborhood Library Services at Seattle Public Library. I am new to this group and this is my first posting. I am exploring innovative solutions to the age-new dilemma of users hogging the terminals. SPL is installing the Dynix graphical interface and is experiencing the problem that occurs when users hog the terminals for internet and email use and then catalog users can't get on. The current installations are in medium sized branches of about 12 terminals each. Internet and the PAC are on each terminal. We have a 60 minute limit that is human enforced and not working very well. We have lots of experience with this phenomenon with text terminals - but through a technical fix which enabled us to time people out after 60 minutes. To our knowledge no timer fix is yet available though we are aware of some that are being developed. Until the timer fix is here, we have toyed with and in some cases implemented, the following ideas: 1. voluntary sign up 2. express terminals 3. taking internet off some terminals 4. proliferating dumb text terminals 5. designating some email only terminals 6. designating some web only terminals 7. reduce time limits 8. remove telnet connection on some terminals 9. mechanical timers 10. etc. etc Good ideas we have lots of. Do you have any experience with fixes in similar situations that have WORKED? If so I'd be very grateful. ray From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Fri Sep 4 12:06:52 1998 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: We noticed that behavior, too, but it appeared to us to affect only Netscape 4.01. Since a (previously planned) version upgrade fixed the problem for us, we didn't get too far into diagnosing the bug, beyond verifying that it was happening with syntactically valid pages. We saw it happen most often with empty anchor elements with capital names, e.g., . Do you have a URL for the page in question? >I've noticed a disturbing inconsistency in the way Netscape (4.++) and MSIE >(4.-5 beta) handle the simple NAME attribute of the anchor tag. We were >testing internal document hyperlinks on an upcoming web page. The hyperlinks >form a mini-navigation text menu in a table layout. There are six internal >hyperlinks in the table. E.g., bleah and the >corresponding blah. > >MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will >navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but >stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? PG _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman Automation Librarian University of Wisconsin-Madison General Library System Automation Services pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu (608) 265-5291 From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Fri Sep 4 14:01:20 1998 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Info on Web databases Message-ID: <35F02AF0.C778D05F@opac.osl.state.or.us> Web4Libbers who are involved or thinking about putting databases on the Web may be interested in taking a look at some of these resources: * - Web Databases, Parts 1 and 2, an informative series of articles. * - Their index page with links to some good resources on the Web database topic. * - The home page for the preceding items, pretty interesting site. "Anchor is a "community space for web developers," a site devoted to the professional needs of the web development community. Our goal is to provide the information, interaction, and insight that developers need to stay ahead in a fast-moving field." - "Turbocharge your Website: Cheap & Easy Web database apps!", my draft of an article which appeared in "Library Software Review," covering the approaches and choices for putting your databases on the Web in early 1998. Lots of URL links to application vendors. Thought these might be of help. Cheers, -ernest Ernest Perez//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.osl.state.or.us//503-378-4243 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We've all heard that, given enough time, a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." From brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Fri Sep 4 14:14:47 1998 From: brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Brian Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Hogging the Internet Terminals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I expect we do what most libraries do, which is have a combination of two "interfaces", one with internet/web available, and one without and some machines which are set as short use of 15 minutes and others set for 30 minutes. With manual signup that no one is happy with. We are planing to load the Pharos product next week. And test beginning the 14th. We hope that gives us computerized signup, authentication, and automatic timeout. I'll post results. On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Ray Serebrin wrote: > Hello. My name is Ray Serebrin and I am Acting Director of Neighborhood > Library Services at Seattle Public Library. I am new to this group and this > is my first posting. > > I am exploring innovative solutions to the age-new dilemma of users hogging > the terminals. SPL is installing the Dynix graphical interface and is > experiencing the problem that occurs when users hog the terminals for > internet and email use and then catalog users can't get on. The current > installations are in medium sized branches of about 12 terminals each. > Internet and the PAC are on each terminal. We have a 60 minute limit that > is human enforced and not working very well. We have lots of experience > with this phenomenon with text terminals - but through a technical fix which > enabled us to time people out after 60 minutes. To our knowledge no timer > fix is yet available though we are aware of some that are being developed. > > Until the timer fix is here, we have toyed with and in some cases > implemented, the following ideas: > 1. voluntary sign up > 2. express terminals > 3. taking internet off some terminals > 4. proliferating dumb text terminals > 5. designating some email only terminals > 6. designating some web only terminals > 7. reduce time limits > 8. remove telnet connection on some terminals > 9. mechanical timers > 10. etc. etc > > Good ideas we have lots of. Do you have any experience with fixes in > similar situations that have WORKED? If so I'd be very grateful. > > ray > Brian Williams Automation Administrator Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us Fri Sep 4 15:32:14 1998 From: mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us (Miriam Bobkoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? Message-ID: <002c01bdd83a$ba731950$e95f47cf@libmain-nt-2.ci.santa-fe.nm.us> ...from the point of view of any library users who expect all the books on whatever _they_ feel their topic is, to be shelved together; but instead find the ones they want to look at strewn all over the building. All the books about France (language? literature? travel? history? biography?); all the books about New Age stuff (health? religion? feminism? social history?); all the books about horses (racing? husbandry?), addiction (psychology? social issues? health? child-rearing?), Mark Twain (by or about? fiction or non?)... "Alas," we may say, "they're not all going to be in exactly the same place, let's go look it up in the catalog and figure out what we're after." But it's too late; the elevator of their estimation of us has just dropped several floors. Miriam Bobkoff mbobkoff@ci.santa-fe.nm.us Santa Fe Public Library 145 Washington Avenue Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 984-6832 The Library's Page http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfpl/ -----Original Message----- From: Nick Arnett To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 6:57 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? >I hope this question isn't too off-the-wall for Web4Lib, but I'm hoping I >can ask it in a way that is at least interesting. I'm working with the >notion that "organization" is a relative term. That is, one person's order >is another's chaos. The question that emerges is the one in the subject of >this message: From what point of view is a library chaotic? From ras at anzio.com Fri Sep 4 15:29:11 1998 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: EXE messup (was need help from everybody) In-Reply-To: <199809041446.KAA06134@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Pingsheng Chen wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I tried to set up telnet applicaiton in the Preference of Netscape > 4.5. Next day I turned on the pc, when you clicked each application > on my machine, one telnet application is open. It looks like telnet > replace all the files with .exe as extension. Any file with different > extension look ok. What should I do to bring back all my > applicaitons? Any suggestions will be greatly helpful. Thank you. This is a NASTY one, which I just encountered this morning. THE PROBLEM The system ends up with a "file association", associating the "EXE" file extension with the telnet program (or whatever you've tried to install). Consequently, whenever you try to run ANY application, Windows runs the telnet! HOW IT HAPPENS In newer Netscape (at least 4.04 and 4.06), under Edit:Preferences:Applications, you can add file handler applications. You would normally do this to add a graphics viewer, for instance. This has the same effect as manipulating file types in Windows Explorer. HOWEVER, Netscape left out an important safegaurd. If you put "EXE" in as the extension, it pops up the current value, and then lets you enter (or browse) another application there. This creates the problem. THE NITTY GRITTY The registry entry HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open\command now contains the program name. It should contain "%1" %* exactly, with the quotes. HOW TO FIX IT You can't run regedit.exe, because Windows will bring up the telnet instead. I initially solved this by copying regedit.exe over the top of the program that was named (once I figured out what it was). Then I ran regedit and fixed the offending entry. Another way to fix it is to create a registry patch file. This is possible using DOS commands, which fortunately still work. Go to Start:Programs:MS-DOS prompt to open a DOS window. Then: 1. Type edit fix-exe.reg 2. Make the contents of the file read EXACTLY: REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open\command] @="\"%1\" %*" 3. Exit, saving the file. 4. Enter: start fix-exe.reg 5. Regedit should ask you if you want to change the indicated value. Answer "Yes". This should fix the problem. DISCLAIMER I take no responsibility for the success of this, I'm just trying to help out. Your registry was messed up to start with, you have little if anything to lose. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From transit at primenet.com Fri Sep 4 17:36:44 1998 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Disabling Web browsing on an Active-Desktop equipped computer Message-ID: Help! I can't figure out how to disable Web browsing on a W95 computer that has Active Desktop enabled. Deleting iexplor.exe doesn't work, because there is a "Go" command on every window, allowing web access. All other internet activities (telnet, etc). are to remain enabled. Thanks for your help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpiper at tsl.state.tx.us Fri Sep 4 19:30:54 1998 From: mpiper at tsl.state.tx.us (Michael Piper) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: Wanted: innovative, customer-focused Web developer Message-ID: <2CDB5756E744D111A59E00805F857E8D6CCC78@Grace.tsl.state.tx.us> Are you an innovator? Then join us in sunny Austin, Texas to build creative, customer-friendly Web services. As our Networked Services Developer, you'll be a key member of the Texas State Library's new Library Resource Sharing Division. You'll collaborate with colleagues and customers statewide to plan, implement and promote our Web services, including TRAIL (http://link.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/), a government information locator system for Texas. Best of all, you'll live, work and play in Austin, consistently rated among the most livable cities in the US. America's live music capitol, Austin boasts a booming high-tech economy, attractive recreational opportunities, mild winters, and no state income tax. If you share our commitment to building state-of-the-art, customer-focused Web services, this job's for you. Bring us your energy and ideas, and we'll provide the resources and support you need to be successful. Review the position description or request an application packet from our Web site (http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ADMIN/Job7.htm). Please refer questions concerning this job opportunity to the State Library's Human Resources Office (512/463-5474). This position is open until filled. Networked Services Developer Library Resource Sharing Division Texas State Library and Archives Commission Austin, Texas JOB RESPONSIBILITIES As a member of the Library Resource Sharing (LRS) team, take lead responsibility for planning and implementing the Texas Records and Information Locator (TRAIL). This position also provides support for the Texas State Electronic Library (TSEL), Texas State Publications Clearinghouse, TexNet interlibrary loan network, and TexShare, a statewide library resource sharing consortium. Help us devise electronic services to respond to customers better than ever before. ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS * Develop the Texas Records and Information Locator (TRAIL). * Plan, develop and implement LRS networked information services. * Ability to move in and around the office, and to consult with clients off-site. * Ability to perform visual activities requiring prolonged attention to detail such as evaluating and editing computer graphical displays. * Ability to hear and understand speech to interact with coworkers and clients on a routine basis. NON-ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS * Maintain awareness of current developments in computer, telecommunications, Internet and information access technologies. * Research, write and/or prepare materials, reports and articles for publication by the Library. * Assist as assigned with other Library Resource Sharing programs. * Perform other duties as assigned. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS * Master's degree in library or information science from an American Library Association accredited library program. * One year of experience developing web-based information resources. * One year of experience in analyzing data; formulating conclusions; developing policies and guidelines; writing technical evaluations, long range plans. * Working knowledge HTML, UNIX or NT servers, Windows 95, and Internet browsers, plus three of the following: Classification theory, thesaurus construction, information systems for libraries, appropriate national and international standards related to networked information systems, the Internet, digital libraries and hypermedia, organization of information for access and retrieval, library consulting, Government Information Locator Systems. * Familiarity with information technology and its place in integrated library services. * Ability to translate project/application requirements into technical specifications. * Ability to write clear, well-organized and correct English. * Demonstrated ability to work well with customers and colleagues. PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS * Ability to design effective, user-friendly Web pages. * A record of progressively responsible experience in the application of information technology in a library setting. * One year of administrative experience in one of the following areas: Government Information Locator Systems, government documents, automated library services, or Internet applications. * Six months of UNIX or Windows NT system administration experience. * Network background including TCP/IP, SMTP, and Telnet, and shell scripting. * Knowledge of Perl/CGI scripting and Java/Java Script. * Significant knowledge of indexing and database structure and Web technology. * Familiarity with computers running in a networked environment on various operating systems, including Windows and Unix; and demonstrated technical skills, such as programming, database development, and/or technical documentation. OTHER REQUIREMENTS * Regular travel by plane and automobile required. * Submit complete undergraduate and graduate college transcripts. * Submit portfolio of writing samples, Web pages, training materials, and other relevant work products. SUPERVISION None. Reports to the Library Resource Sharing Division Director. ESSENTIAL TASKS Develop the Texas Record and Information Locator System (TRAIL). Collaborate with colleagues and customers to plan, implement and promote a state of the art government information locator system (GILS). Design and build user interfaces, organizational structures, and indexing schemes for TRAIL. Identify constraints and devise solutions. Develop procedures for maintaining TRAIL's functionality and accuracy. Evaluate TRAIL's use and enhance its capabilities. Deliver responsive customer service by phone, correspondence, reports, speeches, and on-site visits. Refer clients to other experts and sources as appropriate. Write reports of consultation activities. Provide liaison with Information Resources Technology Department. (60%) Plan, develop and implement LRS networked information services. Perform comprehensive planning and research work related to developing effective Web-based library services. Assist in developing the Texas State Electronic Library (TSEL). Evaluate TSEL resources, build scripts, and assist in researching online resources available at state, national and global levels as potentially useful for inclusion in TSEL. Participate in negotiation and approval of contracts; monitor performance of contractors. Develop feasibility studies, detailed analysis, reports, plans, diagrams, verification and testing procedures for implementation and operation of systems. Develop and document policy, procedures, and performance measures. Prepare documentation, including pertinent portions of the Information Resources Strategic Plan and Biennial Operating Plan. (20%) OTHER DUTIES Maintain awareness of current developments in computer, telecommunication, and information access technology. Compile and maintain information on electronic information services by other state agencies and in other states. Keep agency staff and network users informed of relevant current developments in networked information services. Provide information on trends, costs, and benefits in network services. (10%) Research, write and/or prepare materials, reports and articles for publication by the Library. Research and write reports, news releases, or articles for publication about the delivery of government information and other resource sharing activities. Make presentations at local, regional, state and national meetings. (5%) Assist with other Library Resource Sharing programs as assigned. Participate in problem solving and project teams to perform tasks as needed for successful implementation of resource sharing projects. (5%) ********** Michael Piper, Director michael.piper@tsl.state.tx.us Library Resource Sharing Division 512/463-7402 Texas State Library and Archives Commission Fax: 512/936-2306 Box 12927 Austin TX 78711-2927 From Amdal at aol.com Fri Sep 4 20:03:17 1998 From: Amdal at aol.com (Amdal@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Hogging the Internet Terminals Message-ID: <766b7751.35f07fc5@aol.com> We have implemented an idea( which I got from one of these library listservs) in our small public library, which is a system of checking the computers out like a book. The checkout slip has the time on it so if the machines are all in use, the circ desk, which keeps those slips until the user checks the machine back in, can tell how long each individual has been at a terminal, and when their time will be up. If no one comes along, however, users may continue uninterrupted to their heart's content , or until closing, whichever comes first. (Opacs are Opacs only.) So far it all works fine and the usage statistics are useful as well. Antonia Hanson Public Library From mmhung at hknet.com Mon Sep 7 17:46:58 1998 From: mmhung at hknet.com (Michael Ming, Hung) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:00 2005 Subject: suggestion of research area Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980908054658.006a1048@hknet.com> i am 'making' my research (final year project) on school library, do you have any suggestion on area and title? I think something with automation may save my some time. thanks in advanced *************************************************************************** michael hung ICQ=6638008 SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School, Librarian HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 Homepage = http://www.school.net.hk/~mmhung/ michael email: mmhung@school.net.hk [or] mmhung@hknet.com ida email: idachan2@hknet.com ida & michael Hung *************************************************************************** From grondin.luc at uqam.ca Tue Sep 8 11:17:19 1998 From: grondin.luc at uqam.ca (Luc Grondin) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <003f01bdd817$cc3ba3f0$381eb3c7@metronet.lib.mi.us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980908111719.007fd400@aster.si.uqam.ca> At 08:32 98-09-04 -0700, Gerald M. Furi wrote: >MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will >navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but >stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? This is just a guess, since I have not seen your code, but a possibility is that some of your named anchors have letters with different case (uppercase vs lowercase). Netscape as always been case-sensitive when it comes to named anchors (as far as I know), while it seems that Explorer is not. For example, if you had bleah and the corresponding blah, it should work with Explorer but not with Netscape. I hope this helps Luc Grondin Bibliothecaire/Librarian Services informatises des bibliotheques Universite du Quebec a Montreal From CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca Tue Sep 8 13:51:17 1998 From: CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca (Cameron Metcalf) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: electronic forms. Message-ID: <98Sep8.140717edt.18439@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> Hey all, I've got an electronic form on my page right now that's giving me grief. It's a simple form that records data and routes it to my e-mail address (using "mailto:---"). I don't have any problem using it from my workstation, but other colleagues at the office, aren't able to send the form (using Netscape as a browser). An error message pops up that reads: "Netscape is out of memory". I suspect this is a hardware problem (since the form does work on some of the stations, it can't be a bug in html). Has anyone had a similar error message, "Netscape is out of memory"? the netscape homepage, doesn't breathe a word about it, nor does its HELP menu--- any advice on the matter is appreciated. thanks. Cameron From sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org Tue Sep 8 14:14:55 1998 From: sb0026 at epfl2.epflbalto.org (Skip Booth) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: Position Available by the Shores of the Chesapeake Bay Message-ID: <35F5741F.132BEE00@epfl2.epflbalto.org> Want to break out of the cublicle! An Exciting Opportunity Awaits! Network Support/Analyst Anne Arundel County Public Library seeks computer professional to administer network applications in a Windows NT/OpenVMS environment. Develop and maintain databases -- SQL and Access required. Develop and maintain internet/intranet applications ? Visual Basic, HTML, Javascript, CGI-Bin and Vbscript required. Familiarity with Cisco Routers, Webservers, Client-Servers, & TCP-IP. Good analysis, communication, documentation skills & strong customer service attitude a must. 1-2 years experience (or related academic training). Great benefits ? inc. 4 wks. vacation, pension plan. Starting salary $35,613 -- $39,309. Send resume to Kate Purcell, Chief, Human Resources, Anne Arundel County Public Library, 5 Harry S Truman Parkway, Annapolis, 21401. Must be received no later than September 28, 1998. -- Skip Booth Information System Support Manager Anne Arundel County Public Library 5 Harry S Truman Parkway Annapolis, MD 21401 From RR02 at a1.swt.edu Tue Sep 8 16:30:47 1998 From: RR02 at a1.swt.edu (Richard K. Riley) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:01 2005 Subject: University Webmaster - SWTexas State University Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: University Webmaster 9/2/98 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:11:53 CDT Size: 3906 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980908/b0100aa9/attachment.eml From online1 at erols.com Sat Sep 19 06:23:50 1998 From: online1 at erols.com (Irene Upshur) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: REQUEST: Library/Media Center Mergers Message-ID: <36038633.FE70E40D@erols.com> I am interested in locating profound, quantitative research regarding the merger of the university library and the university media or A/V center. Historically, the A/V center in the basement was more or less an adjunct to the library upstairs. It seems that by sheer evolution, these two entities want to become one. In terms of staffing, equipment, skill and mindset differences, the evolution is not elegant. I would greatly appreciate access to research on this topic as well as any non-anecdotal information. Thanks for considering this request. Irene Upshur Marymount University Arlington, Virginia From albee at revealed.net Sat Sep 19 10:33:01 1998 From: albee at revealed.net (John Albee) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Message-ID: Does anyone know of a listserv which specializes in Historical Romance? Thanks. John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... From tedelblu at usiu.edu Sat Sep 19 13:00:50 1998 From: tedelblu at usiu.edu (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:03 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Message-ID: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3CA4@misnt1.usiu.edu> Whenever I am looking for a listserv on a particular subject, I go to http://www.wcsu.ctstateu.edu/library/rr_electronic_discussion_groups.htm l Thomas Edelblute tedelblu@usiu.edu -----Original Message----- From: John Albee [mailto:albee@revealed.net] Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 7:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Historical Romance, Saturday, September 19, 1998 Does anyone know of a listserv which specializes in Historical Romance? Thanks. John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... From mike at tcnet.org Thu Sep 24 01:22:51 1998 From: mike at tcnet.org (Mike McGuire) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Tech coordinator position available Message-ID: The Traverse Area District Library in Traverse City, Michigan, is currently seeking an individual to head a new department for the new main library which will open to the public in January 1999. The person in this position will provide technical support for automated systems, public access computing, microcomputing, and local and wide area networks. This person will also coordinate, plan, develop and implement automated systems for all library functions and services. BS in computer science or MLS or appropriate experience required. Salary range is in the mid-30s to lower 40s and the anticipated start date is mid-October 1998. Our community-oriented Library serves over 70,000 people; employs 50 full-time and part-time employees (expected to increase to about 70 after the new library opens); and, has an annual operating budget in excess of $2.3 million. For a complete job description and application instructions, visit our web site at . Please feel free to pass this on to other interested parties. Mike McGuire Director, Traverse Area District Library Administrator, Traverse Community Network From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:06:17 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] javascript/URL targets References: <199809231523.LAA231100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <19980924.080634.3686.2.rjtiess@juno.com> "Kevin W. Bishop" writes: >We would like the hyperlinks inside this newly opened browser to >target the initial browser window. In other words, rather than clicking links >and have the pages appear in the newly opened browser, we would like the >initial browser (containing the "site info" button) to be receiving >the requested documents. (I've heard this described as the >"remote-control" effect.) Kevin, I created a "remote control" version of Proteus, which is a version of Proteus I regard more as a concept car--interesting to build, maybe to look at, but would anyone want to drive it? Anyway, you can view it and the code at http://www.thrall.org/proteus.html (scroll down to More Information, select REMOTE). I don't recall the direct URL offhand (it may be /proremote.html)--it's been a while. Warning: I wouldn't try this on anything below MSIEXP or Netscape 3.0. I still prefer the HTML method of referencing windows. Hope that helps. Robert - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:06:30 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Link Checker, Xenu References: <000101bde71d$43a693a0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <19980924.080634.3686.3.rjtiess@juno.com> Wilfred Drew writes: >I use Xenu which is free and checks all links on a site, not just on >the current page. It is at: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html I downloaded Xenu about two months ago, used it several times, and my computer locked each time. It is a very fast program, but I couldn't get it to process a single page of ten or so links-- most likely due to my setup. Another thing about Link Checker-- it demonstrates how one might be able to use Java to create a web crawler through its HTML sampling. Plus it's public domain. No patents pending there! :-) Another interesting service I heard of is NetMinder, which I believe remotely monitors web pages for changes and e-mails you whenever those pages are updated. I don't have the URL, but I have seen websites with a NM prompt and also the main site at one point. The latest Netscape often drives you to its "keywords" search center when it encounters 404s. GeoCities and Tripod, web hosts, also do this. Some of this wouldn't be necessary if there were forwarding addresses left at old URLs when web services are relocated--or termination of service notices, if that's the case --either as a courtesy of the ISP/web host or the web developer. It seems people I speak with are spending more time than ever searching for sites and pages instead of finding actual information, and they're using the "big" directories and search engines. Library Internet guides are much stabler and more dependable. Locating URLs and moved web pages was a high priority when I created Advanced Search (http://www.thrall.org/proadv.html), which allows you to search the titles of web pages, the URLs, scope results to domains/ISO country codes.... Advanced searches are often the only way to go these days, and I wish more patrons and staff members would take the time to learn these search tactics. Robert - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From rjtiess at juno.com Thu Sep 24 08:08:50 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Netscape history function Message-ID: <19980924.080908.3686.4.rjtiess@juno.com> Cleo Pappas writes: >Is there a way to disarm the history function of Netscape. Before launching Netscape, drop into DOS (click Start, Run, enter 'command', press Enter, CD\ to your Netscape user directory, find and delete (DEL) the NETSCAPE.HST file, start up EDIT, press return a few times, save the file as NETSCAPE.HST in the _same_ subdirectory as the old .HST file, exit Edit, type 'attrib +r netscape.hst' (minus quotes), type 'exit' to leave DOS, launch Netscape, and that should be it. To test it, go online, visit a few sites, press CTRL+H. History window should be blank. Robert (P. S. The above can be done in Explorer/Notepad, but I prefer working at the command line.) - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kristinh at lv.is Thu Sep 24 09:37:27 1998 From: kristinh at lv.is (kristinh@lv.is) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Help wanted - Choosing a book! Message-ID: <00256689.00493F65.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Hello Web4Lib people, I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm told - one of those - if not both - are excellent - Which one do you recommend? Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating Interactivity and Design Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568303734 Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition David S. Siegel, David Seigel / Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568304331 I would be greatful for any comments. Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: +354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: http://www.lv.is/enska Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ ******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston Hughes From cameron at loyno.edu Thu Sep 24 10:13:15 1998 From: cameron at loyno.edu (Robert Cameron) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Access control on WebSite 1.1 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980924091302.00689e9c@loyno.edu> We have been using the free O'Reilly WebSite 1.1 server on an NT 4.0 Pentium for the last year and have no complaints. I can't, however, get the access control feature to work. If anyone out there has experience with WebSite 1.1 and specifically access control, your private response and offer of advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Robert Cameron Systems Coordinator University Library Loyola University New Orleans cameron@loyno.edu From thom at indiana.edu Thu Sep 24 10:19:25 1998 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! In-Reply-To: <00256689.00493F65.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> Message-ID: Not sure what you want to do but I've read Siegel's and also Roger Black's book and find "Elements of Web Design" by Darcy DiNucci to be much better. I use this book in a number of classes I teach at Indiana U. Throw in Rosenfeld's "Information Architecture" and you shoudl be ready to roll. \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.mime.indiana.edu www.mediajazz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 kristinh@lv.is wrote: > > > > Hello Web4Lib people, > I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm told - one of those - if > not both - are excellent - Which one do you recommend? > > Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating > Interactivity and Design > Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568303734 > > Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition > David S. Siegel, David Seigel / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568304331 > > I would be greatful for any comments. > > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > Information Architect > Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company > Haaleitisbraut 68 > 103 Reykjavik > Iceland > Tel: +354-515-9111 > Fax: +354-515-9116 > e-mail: kristinh@lv.is > Web: http://www.lv.is/enska > > Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ > > ******************************************** > Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that > cannot fly. > - Langston Hughes > > From minliu at lilrc.org Thu Sep 24 14:53:04 1998 From: minliu at lilrc.org (Min Liu) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: Netscape Won't Load Images Message-ID: <360A9510.7099@lilrc.org> Hi there! Help please. We have Netscape Communicator Professional edition (4.01) on a Windows 95 terminal. Recently, when visit certain sites, images and frames on the page won't be loaded. I installed the Navigator Gold to the same machine and it could retrieve everything. Therefore, this is not a connection problem. I also checked the cache under network preferences, everything is by default. Does anybody know what could cause this strange behaviour of the Communicator? TIA. Min Liu ------- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Min Liu, Regional Automation Coordinator * * Long Island Library Resources Council * * Melville Library Building, Suite E5310 * * Stony Brook, NY 11794-3399 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Thu Sep 24 16:02:21 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] javascript/URL targets References: <199809231523.LAA231100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <360AA54C.C72E3F76@am.appstate.edu> I'm not sure about a none JScript version so, although this is javascript I'll submit it for what its worth,( uh , whats it worth?$$$) it appears to me that the line in the index page remote.opener = self; says to use that index page for the target. and the "http://..." in this page is definitly the remote control html remote.location.href = The code is copyright but licensed for free according to the shown comments. And for those that aren't aware, the ^M is a carriage return from creating a file in DOS and serving it on a UNIX machine or at least having it open with vi on a unix machine. The index page at http://am.appstate.edu/~bennettt/Grandfather/remote/index.html is shown below. The email link is incorrect. I did this over a year ago to experiment with remote so it hasn't been updated and my style was much crudeder than it is today, please forgive. Its only a background picture with the submit button for the "reomte control" Index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grandfather Mountain Test Page

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The actual "remote control" page basically replace your urls with the ones inside the parenthesis of JavaScriptfetch(). and the On mouse over text ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Menu Page Grandfather Mountain Test Page

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HOMEPAGE The Jim Morton photo
SYNOPSIS OF THIS SITE Overview
SHORT BIOGRAPHY Meet Hugh Morton
NEWS New Events
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Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > I realize this can be done w/o using javascript in a much simpler fashion, > but please humor me for a second. > > At the bottom of a page we're developing, we have inserted > >
> >
> > // which opens the following > > function site_info() { > iwin = window.open("site_info.html","IWIN", > > "scrollbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,toolbar=yes,location=yes,menu=yes,wi > dth=325,height=375"); > } > > [The coding isn't in that order, of course.] > We would like the hyperlinks inside this newly opened browser to target the > initial browser window. In other words, rather than clicking links and > have the pages appear in the newly opened browser, we would like the > initial browser (containing the "site info" button) to be receiving the > requested documents. (I've heard this described as the "remote-control" > effect.) > > We've mucked around w/the script and w/the TARGET attribute in places w/o > luck, and haven't been able to find any websites with related information. > Any suggestions? (Replies offlist are probably most appropriate.) > > Thanks. > -kb > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop bishopk@rpi.edu > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute http://www.rpi.edu/ > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > ______________________________________________________________________ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From esche_ma at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us Thu Sep 24 17:35:05 1998 From: esche_ma at oak2.ci.oakland.ca.us (Margaret Escherich) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:06 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) Message-ID: Kristin - Here is some advice from a friend of mine in the computer technical book industry. -Margaret Escherich Oakland Public Library Oakland, CA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:52:43 -0800 From: Simon Hayes To: Margaret Escherich Subject: Re: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) If the question is which did they heard about, then it is the siegal book, the second one. It was/is a HUGE seller, from our friends at hayden. It's a little dated now, but in many ways it was the first design book for web sites. Which does not mean it is not without it's problem and idiosyncracies. Within the web design community much of the advice is suspect. For instance, siegal's theories include the use of an entrance and exit "tunnel" on all web sites. You've seen these things: you go to a web site and get just a single page, which morphs into another. You don't get to the "main" page of the site for a little while. Many people think this is insane as it defeats the whole purpose of hypertext and ignores the principle strengths of the medium. there are other things too, like his whole division of web sites into first, 2nd and third generation sites. The truth is that as a document designer siegal was an unkown. Before he wrote killer he made fonts for a living. But on the other hand it's easy to see the criticisms of his book as so much sour grapes from designers who did not pounce on the web as quickly as he did. It's impossible to argue with the success of his book or the effect his ideas have had on the early days of web site design. Today though, it may be fair to say that killer is reaching the end of it's run, and may become dated quite soon. I believe siegal was involved in the first book too, either as a co-author or series editor. With any one-off like killer that does well, a whole series of killer books are bound to follow. This interaction book is one of those. Sales on the rest of the killer series have not even come close to creating killer, the original. I don't know much about this interaction book, but it is an important topic. A number of books have been published on the idea, but few have done well. It's a complicated subject, and one that the market en masse does not appear to be ready for yet, more is the pity. There is a book by Roger Black on web site design, also from hayden, I think. If the person is looking for a sophsiticated look at advanced design topics, that is probably the one, as Black has more design credentials than just about anybody alive. If the need is more for a friendly, beginners look at web site design principles and techniques, a little more hands on, then the best bet is Robin Williams' "The Non-designers Web Design Book" by Peachpit press. Easily the best web design book for beginners. /s > hey babe- what's your advice on the following? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:45:56 >-0700 (PDT) From: kristinh@lv.is To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing >a book! > > > > Hello Web4Lib people, I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm >told - one of those - if not both - are excellent - Which one do you >recommend? > >Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating >Interactivity and Design Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / >Published 1997 ISBN: 1568303734 > >Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition David S. Siegel, David Seigel / >Paperback / Published 1997 ISBN: 1568304331 > >I would be greatful for any comments. > >Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The >National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: >+354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: >http://www.lv.is/enska > >Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ > >******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if >dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston >Hughes > > > From johnste at PILOT.MSU.EDU Tue Sep 29 07:26:16 1998 From: johnste at PILOT.MSU.EDU (Stephanie John) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BDEB7A.72A511C0@schi71.schi.msu.edu> I've searched Netscape's manual and site and various books. I've posted this question to a couple listservs and newsgroups and haven't gotten an answer. I've searched the 'net and done everything else I can think of... Can you help? Our network is Ethernet with category 5 cable, dumb hubs, and an old Netblazer router connected to one ISDN line. The computer guys want us to shut Netscape when we're not using it because they feel that it ties up the ISDN line for others. Does Navigator, Communicator or Internet Explorer tie up a shared ISDN when you're NOT pulling in data, and you're NOT using channels or other 'push' technology? Does it tie up the network in ANY way? Thanks in advance, Stephanie *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%**%*%*%*%*%* Stephanie C. John, M.Ln., D.M.,A.H.I.P. Director, Saginaw Health Sciences Library Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals, Inc. 1000 Houghton Ave., Saginaw MI 48602-5398 Phone: 517/771-6846 johnste@pilot.msu.edu Fax: 517/771-6898 Library website: www.chm.msu.edu/schilib/welcome.html From kgs at bluehighways.com Tue Sep 29 08:18:35 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Drake Equation for the web In-Reply-To: <199809290939.CAA17229@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980929081835.016fa418@panix.com> This is very amusing. However, a couple of questions. Are all of these factors multiplied (e.g. are you using x for * )? Also, I agree with the general principle that the Internet is an info-trash-barge with some good gleanings to be found by determined dumpster-divers. But surely not all good information is well-designed or even accurate (after all, a book on creationism is "good" if it contributes to a broadening of access to viewpoints), and the definitions of quality and utility are wide open to interpretation. Furthermore, in libraries we have used "cataloging" very narrowly, and primarily with reference to one paper-based format (otherwise known as "the book"). You don't catalog all magazine articles housed or transmitted into your library, for example--you rely on other tools for this access. So "the catalog" proper is only representative of a certain type or level of access to a certain type of data. The concept of what is "worth cataloging" may not port well to the Internet; the mechanism itself may be the problem--that we still think in terms of creating a finding aid structured like a library catalog, when that model may not apply or be feasible to a different information environment. Anyway, this is a fun issue to tussle with :-) >Sc=Wp x fs x ft x fg x fi x fu > >where >Sc is the number of web sites worth cataloging >Wp is the total number of web pages on the Internet >fs is the fraction of those pages that constitute distinct web sites >ft is the fraction of web sites with topical informational content >fg is the fraction of sites with accurate, current, comprehensive, >well-maintained, and well-designed content >fi is the fraction of sites that are findable, i.e. have been indexed in >robot engines or announced in current awareness tools >and fu is the fraction that haven't been moved or pulled down since being >indexed or announced. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Tue Sep 29 09:01:25 1998 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Drake Equation for the web Message-ID: <003001bdeba9$4427c7a0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> -----Original Message----- From: Karen G. Schneider To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:24 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Drake Equation for the web >This is very amusing. However, a couple of questions. Are all of these >factors multiplied (e.g. are you using x for * )? Yes--the factors starting with f are fractions. (You can start with 400 million as a value for Wp) >But surely not all >good information is well-designed or even accurate (after all, a book on >creationism is "good" if it contributes to a broadening of access to >viewpoints), and the definitions of quality and utility are wide open to >interpretation. Sure, it's subjective, but I'd still maintain that "good" information is well-designed and accurate. >Furthermore, in libraries we have used "cataloging" very >narrowly, and primarily with reference to one paper-based format (otherwise >known as "the book"). You don't catalog all magazine articles housed or >transmitted into your library, for example--you rely on other tools for >this access. So "the catalog" proper is only representative of a certain >type or level of access to a certain type of data. The concept of what is >"worth cataloging" may not port well to the Internet; If it doesn't, then the whole concept of web guides--subject directories--should be dismissed, because what they're doing is "cataloging". Yet obviously they have been found valuable by users. BTW, developers of topical web guides might be further encouraged by adding another factor to the equation, fs, where fs is the fraction of items on a specific topic (as calculated by the number of categories in your favorite subject thesaurus (say, 40,000 for Yahoo or 70,000 for LCSH). [and now I'm being really facetious, since all subjects aren't equal]. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From jmk at Synopsys.COM Tue Sep 29 11:52:13 1998 From: jmk at Synopsys.COM (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: KM survey Message-ID: <199809291552.IAA02381@marius.synopsys.com> Has anyone done a survey of executives to discover how they're getting information? If so, could I have a copy? I have to perform one for my corporation. jmk@synopsys.com Thanks. -janet From aa175 at torfree.net Tue Sep 29 13:11:23 1998 From: aa175 at torfree.net (Ken McCracken) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: web server recommendations In-Reply-To: <199809290943.CAA17467@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: > > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:51:15 -0400 > From: Tamm Sissac > To: web4lib > Subject: web server recommendations > > I would appreciate hearing your recommendations. http://www.corel.com/news/1998/june/netwinder.htm http://www.netwinder.org/ This seems like a good deal to me at $699US from Corel. With advanced I/O capabilities, meant for developers of applications for this Web-ready 275Mhz RISC StrongARM/Linux/Apache platform. Has anyone tried this machine out? Ken McCracken Toronto Freenet person and Web4lib lurker > > thanks > > tamm > -- > _______________________________ > Tamm Sissac > Information Systems Librarian > SUNY New Paltz > Sojourner Truth Library > 75 S. Manheim Blvd. C141A > New Paltz, NY 12561 > (914)257-3657 > (914)257-3718 (fax) > sissact@matrix.newpaltz.edu > _______________________________ > From theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us Tue Sep 29 13:31:48 1998 From: theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us (Hillary Theyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "value added" engines In-Reply-To: <360F8E69.260D@ccsu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980929103148.006a68a0@muse.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> The Electric Library and Homework Helper both do the same thing, but they charge to see the articles. http://www.elibrary.com http://www.homeworkhelper.com At 06:28 AM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Web4lib-- >The Northern Light search engine has a component that locates searchers' >keyword input from a "special collection" (this amounts to a >bibliographic database of magazine and journal articles) as well as >searching for web documents. > >Is anyone aware of any other search engines that offer this service, >namely, to do a parallel search in a database of traditional print >publications? > >Thank you for your help, >Nicholas Tomaiuolo >Burritt Library >Central CT State University >New Britain, CT 06050 > Hillary Theyer Palos Verdes Library District theyer@palos-verdes.lib.ca.us From thuwe at library.berkeley.edu Tue Sep 29 15:48:09 1998 From: thuwe at library.berkeley.edu (Terence K. Huwe) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: "value added" engines Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980929124802.00b1fc50@library.berkeley.edu> There's an interesting product that is slated to roll out in '99 called the KnowledgeCite Library. It features a very powerful inter-disciplinary search feature that enables the user to search multiple databases, but it also allows searches that utilize the native thesauri of various disciplines. There's a sample on their web at http://www.knowledgecite.com Take a look! Terry Huwe, Institute of Industrial Relations Library, UCB At 11:15 AM 9/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >The Electric Library and Homework Helper both do the same thing, but they >charge to see the articles. > >http://www.elibrary.com >http://www.homeworkhelper.com > > > > > >At 06:28 AM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Web4lib-- >>The Northern Light search engine has a component that locates searchers' >>keyword input from a "special collection" (this amounts to a >>bibliographic database of magazine and journal articles) as well as >>searching for web documents. >> >>Is anyone aware of any other search engines that offer this service, >>namely, to do a parallel search in a database of traditional print >>publications? >> >>Thank you for your help, >>Nicholas Tomaiuolo >>Burritt Library >>Central CT State University >>New Britain, CT 06050 >> >Hillary Theyer >Palos Verdes Library District >theyer@palos-verdes.lib.ca.us > > > ***************************************** Terence K. Huwe Institute of Industrial Relations Library University of California, Berkeley Voice: (510) 642-1705 Fax: (510) 642-6432 ***************************************** From lanerafr at plu.edu Tue Sep 29 16:58:15 1998 From: lanerafr at plu.edu (Francesca Lane Rasmus) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Job Announcement: Pacific Lutheran University Message-ID: <361149E7.4A3ADDB5@plu.edu> SCIENCE LIBRARIAN, Faculty, Tenure-Track. Responsibilities include: Perform general reference duties with special reference and consultation responsibilities in the sciences. Provide leadership in evaluating and selecting science-related electronic resources and databases. Participate in the library?s instruction program. Plan and teach course integrated library instruction session, provide library orientation, and collaboration in outreach to campus community. Administer collection development in specific subject areas, particularly in the sciences. Perform custom on-line searches. Collaborate with other librarians on development of the reference collection. Manage Washington State Documents program, vertical files and map collection. Desired qualifications: 3 years academic library experience. Expertise and interest in the sciences, preferably with a science major. Experience in troubleshooting patron workstations and search software. Strong service orientation. Good written and oral communication skills. Good interpersonal and collaboration skills. Potential for leadership in library management in collaborative environment. Interest and participation in library related scholarship. Reference related experience. Expertise in online searching with STN and DIALOG. ALA accredited MLS or relevant doctorate required. As a ?New American College,? Pacific Lutheran University accents integration between liberal arts and professional programs. In the best Lutheran tradition, the university?s primary mission is to educate students for lives of thoughtful inquiry, service, leadership, and care. Position available September 1, 1999. Salary starts at $33,000, depending on experience and education. Excellent benefits package. See our webpage: http://www.plu.edu/. Send letter of application, resume, statement of library and research interests and names of three references by January 15, 1999 to: Dr. Sheri Tonn, Dean of Information Resources, Mortvedt Library, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma, WA 98447. From pem at po.cwru.edu Tue Sep 29 17:19:40 1998 From: pem at po.cwru.edu (Peter Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [browsers using ISDN lines when idle] In-Reply-To: <01BDEB7A.72A511C0@schi71.schi.msu.edu> Message-ID: <85689.3116078380@tier354785.tier3.cwru.edu> I cannot imagine an idle browser would tie up network resources while it is just sitting there. Well, there are ways, but they are very rarely used. For instance, a web page could use a meta-refresh tag to update itself constantly (as in a HTML-based chat system). There was also a bug in a beta version of Netscape 2 where animated GIFs were reloaded from the server for ever iteration, but that hasn't been seen in a while. Peter --On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 4:56 AM -0700 Stephanie John wrote: > Does Navigator, Communicator or Internet Explorer tie up a shared ISDN > when you're NOT pulling in data, and you're NOT using channels or other > 'push' technology? Does it tie up the network in ANY way? -- Peter Murray, Library Systems Manager pem@po.cwru.edu Digital Media Services http://www.cwru.edu/home/pem.html Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio W:216-368-5888 From kgaynor at library2.webster.edu Tue Sep 29 17:21:23 1998 From: kgaynor at library2.webster.edu (Kathy Gaynor) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Graphics problem Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980929162123.007cee20@library2.webster.edu> I created a series of navigational buttons that appear at the top and bottom of most of the pages on my library's home page (). An example is the database page (). Seemingly overnight (perhaps after a full moon?), the graphics began to look like they were slightly askew, e.g. it looks like a thin frame is off-center leaving a bit of white space between the graphic and the hyperlink frame. They appear this way in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Any ideas as to what could have caused this and what I can do about it? FYI: I used Paint Shop Pro as my graphics editor. Thanks so much. ****************************************************************************** Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian Eden-Webster Library 475 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 968-6950 (314) 968-7113 fax kgaynor@library2.webster.edu From palsson at rohan.sdsu.edu Tue Sep 29 18:10:23 1998 From: palsson at rohan.sdsu.edu (Jerry Palsson) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Position Announcement, SDSU Library Dean Message-ID: <199809292210.PAA22828@rohan.sdsu.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980929/9ef4a10d/attachment.bat From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Tue Sep 29 17:21:15 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: Apple Printing over Netware Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980929172115.2a4f13a0@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> Many thanks to those who encouraged me with the confirmation that this -could- be done. As with most frustrating problems, it turned out to be a relatively simple task. What details I did get on the list I found in Novell's documentation - -- Imagine that -- :) Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu Tue Sep 29 18:56:01 1998 From: Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics problem Message-ID: <001f01bdebfc$5692f740$c728cfa9@dwinells> Kathy: Here's what I'm seeing: there is a grayish horizontal band at the top of your button bars. Under that is a thin maroon colored band. Around the entire image is the hyperlink colored border. I exported one of your graphics to my PC & looked at it in Photoshop and there is definitely a gray band at the top with a very thin area of maroon underneath. I don't know if you used a button making program to give them a sort of beveled look. Maybe that's why the gray horizontal line at the top is appearing? The other idea I had was that the gray area was supposed to be made transparent, but is showing. However, if you do make this area transparent & still use the hyperlink border around the image there will be a space between the maroon color & the hyperlink colored border. I'm not sure if you want the border or not. I assume you know how to turn it off, if you don't want it. If you still have the button graphics on your PC that you loaded on your Web server, you might want to look at them in Paint Shop Pro and see if the gray horizontal line is there. If so, you can use Paint Shop to fill in that area with the Maroon color to fix that portion of the graphic & reload the graphics back to your Web server. Sheryl Sheryl Dwinell Webmaster/Database Management Librarian Marquette University Libraries Milwaukee, WI 414-288-3406 dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu >I created a series of navigational buttons that appear at the top and >bottom of most of the pages on my library's home page >(). An example is the database page >(). Seemingly overnight (perhaps >after a full moon?), the graphics began to look like they were slightly >askew, e.g. it looks like a thin frame is off-center leaving a bit of white >space between the graphic and the hyperlink frame. They appear this way in >both Netscape and Internet Explorer. > >Any ideas as to what could have caused this and what I can do about it? >FYI: I used Paint Shop Pro as my graphics editor. > >Thanks so much. >*************************************************************************** *** >Kathy M. Gaynor, Reference Librarian >Eden-Webster Library >475 E. Lockwood Ave. >St. Louis, MO 63119 >(314) 968-6950 >(314) 968-7113 fax >kgaynor@library2.webster.edu From thom at indiana.edu Tue Sep 29 20:08:49 1998 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980929162123.007cee20@library2.webster.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Kathy Gaynor wrote: > I created a series of navigational buttons that appear at the top and > bottom of most of the pages on my library's home page > (). An example is the database page > (). Seemingly overnight (perhaps > after a full moon?), the graphics began to look like they were slightly > askew, e.g. it looks like a thin frame is off-center leaving a bit of white > space between the graphic and the hyperlink frame. They appear this way in > both Netscape and Internet Explorer. > > Any ideas as to what could have caused this and what I can do about it? > FYI: I used Paint Shop Pro as my graphics editor. Are the images anti aliased? If so when you select or if you try for a transparency there are some close colors which get left behind. I usually drop my images on a black screen to see if there is a halo nad keep anti alias off when I fill, cut and select. --thom From duda at abilene.library.ucsb.edu Tue Sep 29 20:29:17 1998 From: duda at abilene.library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:08 2005 Subject: ISTL Contributors Needed Message-ID: <9809300028.AA09416@abilene.library.ucsb.edu> Issues in Science and Technology Librarianship (http://www.library.ucsb.edu/istl/) is seeking contributors. One of our regular columns focuses on science and technology resources on the Internet. Recent topics for this column have included resources in marine fisheries, chemistry sources, and sources for science news. If you would be interested in submitting a collection of Internet resources for ISTL, please contact: Elizabeth Brown ebrown@mail.mse.jhu.edu Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library University of California, Santa Barbara duda@library.ucsb.edu From kgs at bluehighways.com Sat Sep 5 16:40:59 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:11 2005 Subject: Hogging the Internet Terminals In-Reply-To: <199809052031.NAA27493@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980905164059.0132629c@panix.com> A number of people have mentioned to me the idea of checking out computers. I know one library that uses the reserve-module function to manage computers, as well. I'm wondering--what does a record for a computer look like? Can you point us to a good example or two? _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From behrens at ub.uni-bielefeld.de Wed Sep 23 04:14:17 1998 From: behrens at ub.uni-bielefeld.de (Michael Behrens) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Announcement: 'Berlinische Monatsschrift' available on the web Message-ID: <3608ADD9.4D5DFD25@ub.uni-bielefeld.de> This announcement will be sent to several lists. Please excuse any cross-posting. The "Berlinische Monatsschrift", a German periodical of the Enlightenment published 1783 to 1811, is now availabe on the web at: http://www.ub.uni-bielefeld.de/diglib/Berlinische_Monatsschrift/ There is an English language interface at: http://www.ub.uni-bielefeld.de/diglib/Berlinische_Monatsschrift/index-e.htm This digital reconstruction combines the contents of all 58 volumes of the periodical (including the succeeding Berlinische Bl?tter and Neue Berlinische Monatsschrift). The periodical, published from 1783 to 1811 by Johann Erich Biester and Friedrich Gedike, quickly reached supraregional significance. It became important as the mouthpiece of the "Berliner Mittwochsgesellschaft", an elite group endeavouring reforms, formed by members of bourgeoisie and aristocracy including Friedrich d. Gr. It became well-known as the place where the discussion "Was ist Aufkl?rung?" ("What is Enlightenment?") was argued out. It was also the preferred periodical of Immanuel Kant. The successor "Neue Berlinische Monatsschrift" was published by Friedrich Nicolai, another representative of the Enlightenment from Berlin, and was influenced by his numerous contributions. The periodical contains 2.574 articles on 30.626 pages. Please feel free to forward this announcement to anyone who might be interested, or to put up hyperlinks to it. Thanks! Michael Behrens ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mail: Behrens@ub.uni-bielefeld.de, T.++49 (0)521-1064032 Michael Behrens, Bibliothek der Universit?t Bielefeld From rjtiess at juno.com Wed Sep 23 07:09:52 1998 From: rjtiess at juno.com (rjtiess@juno.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Link Checker Message-ID: <19980923.070955.3686.2.rjtiess@juno.com> LINK CHECKER I've now released to the Public Domain a Java program I wrote to check for bad links in web pages. It's called Link Checker and is at http://members.tripod.com/~rtiess/linkchecker.htm It's slow, and it's by far not the greatest thing in its category, but it's somewhat useful. I'm aware there are link-checking sites and superior software out there. If you use those services, you're probably better off. You will also need the 1.1 JDK from Javasoft (http://www.javasoft.com) to run it (and recompile the source if you wish to modify the program). I'm posting this in Web4Lib, because I know many of you have developed web guides containing numerous links. As I state on the Link Checker web page, I still believe non-automated reviews should be conducted to determine the availability and quality of Internet resources to which you're currently linked. Link Checker's more of a transitional checker, something you can run between "human reviews." Installation and execution instructions are available at the site above. As it's now in the public domain, there's no support for it, except maybe with an occasional new release. Enjoy. Robert J. Tiess - _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From vcarrington at ala-choice.org Wed Sep 23 12:10:10 1998 From: vcarrington at ala-choice.org (vcarrington@ala-choice.org) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: "Name the Review Service" contest reminder Message-ID: <9809239065.AA906562708@nsc-nt1.netsynergy.com> You have only a few more days to enter CHOICE's "Name the Review Service" Contest! The Oct. 16 deadline will be here soon. How could you miss this opportunity? A copy of the original announcement follows. ************************* CHOICE is in the last stages of the beta-test for our Web-based review service. The projected launch date is January 1999. This service will bring CHOICE reviews from 1988 to the present, customized notification of new reviews, special list functions and more to its subscribers. We've been calling this service "CHOICE Online," but we know that many of you out there can come up with something better. That's why we're having a CONTEST to name our new review service. We're looking for a name that's short but descriptive. The winner will receive a New England Clambake to go, ready to pop on the stovetop and amaze your friends. Or, if that's not your idea of fun, you can have $100 cash instead. Four runners-up will each receive a copy of the new (August 1998) CHOICE Web Review Supplement, which contains reviews of nearly 500 web sites plus some nifty articles. We sell each copy for $24, but we think it's worth lots more than that. Visit "News from CHOICE" on our web page for details: http://www.ala.org/acrl/choice/news.html Mail, e-mail, or fax us your entry right away - we need it in our office by Oct. 16. Mail entries to: CHOICE CONTEST 100 Riverview Center Middletown, CT 06457-3445 OR Fax: 860-704-0465 OR E-mail: choicemag@ala-choice.org Have fun! Vee Friesner Carrington Promotion Coordinator CHOICE: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries, a publication of the Association of College and Research Libraries, a division of the American Library Association. From pappasc at sls.lib.il.us Wed Sep 23 13:39:57 1998 From: pappasc at sls.lib.il.us (Cleo Pappas) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Netscape history function Message-ID: <3609326D.89839FAF@sls.lib.il.us> Is there a way to disarm the history function of Netscape. We have entered both a one and a zero in the preferences box from the edit function, and neither disables the history. We are interested in protecting the privacy of our patrons who now have internet access available to them at the library. Thank you. Cleo Pappas La Grange Park Public Library From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Sep 23 11:21:07 1998 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: javascript/URL targets Message-ID: <199809231523.LAA231100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> I realize this can be done w/o using javascript in a much simpler fashion, but please humor me for a second. At the bottom of a page we're developing, we have inserted
// which opens the following function site_info() { iwin = window.open("site_info.html","IWIN", "scrollbar=yes,status=yes,resizable=yes,toolbar=yes,location=yes,menu=yes,wi dth=325,height=375"); } [The coding isn't in that order, of course.] We would like the hyperlinks inside this newly opened browser to target the initial browser window. In other words, rather than clicking links and have the pages appear in the newly opened browser, we would like the initial browser (containing the "site info" button) to be receiving the requested documents. (I've heard this described as the "remote-control" effect.) We've mucked around w/the script and w/the TARGET attribute in places w/o luck, and haven't been able to find any websites with related information. Any suggestions? (Replies offlist are probably most appropriate.) Thanks. -kb _______________________________________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop bishopk@rpi.edu Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute http://www.rpi.edu/ 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 ______________________________________________________________________ From SteinkeL at awc.carlisle.army.mil Wed Sep 23 11:36:31 1998 From: SteinkeL at awc.carlisle.army.mil (Steinke, Leland J. Mr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: WWW-Z39.50 Gateway under NT? Message-ID: <9AFC7C3F14FCD1119EB40000778B58C22F6CF0@awc.carlisle.army.mil> (Apologies for a possible off-list question) Has anybody out there got a freeware Web to Z39.50 gateway up and running under NT? We are using Harold Finkbeiner's zclient gateway, with modifications from Iowa State University, running under Solaris. It is working really well but the Army War College is enchanted with NT and is migrating its web server to IIS including all of our web services. I have been trying to get the zclient gateway working using the GNU-Win32 C compiler and ActiveState's Perl distribution. (zclient is working well but the Perl scripts aren't. further technical details masked here). If it won't work under NT, I suppose we could run a small Solaris or Linux server to handle the Z39.50 traffic, but that is only a last resort which I haven't discussed with our central IS folks yet. Thanks, Leland Leland J. Steinke Assistant Director for Systems U.S. Army Military History Institute From kuntzmaj at york.uchsc.edu Wed Sep 23 11:35:18 1998 From: kuntzmaj at york.uchsc.edu (Jeff Kuntzman) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Job Posting Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980923093518.0081a7a0@york.uchsc.edu> *Apologies for any duplication.? This message has been posted to several lists.* COORDINATOR OF EDUCATIONAL TECHNOLOGY Denison Memorial Library at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center (UCHSC) invites applications for Coordinator of Educational Technology from leaders who can develop and provide technology-enhanced educational systems, services, and support for faculty, staff and students. Major Responsibilities: select computer-based educational programs in the LRC, supervise maintenance of LRC network, assist faculty in the development and use of emerging instructional technologies, and participate in the implementation and optimal delivery of educational computer/web programs to students on campus and via the network. This position reports to the Head of Information Management Education and Learning Resources Center and supervises 2 FTE classified staff. Salary range: $38 - 53,000. Faculty (non-tenure track) rank of senior instructor or assistant professor. Requirements: ALA-accredited MLS or comparable information/educational technology graduate degree; relevant experience in a library or educational technology environment; knowledge and experience in instructional design in an academic setting, preferably life or health sciences; strong technical skills, including knowledge of multimedia design, courseware, electronic information resources, and microcomputers; and the ability to work effectively with diverse users with a wide range of computer skills in a manner which promotes confidence and a positive computer experience. Other desired qualifications include increasingly responsible management experience in distributed education, systems, or computer networking positions, including successful leadership in planning, setting priorities, implementing major projects, and liaison with faculty and external groups; excellent oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills; proven user service focus; ability to work in a team environment; and record of professional involvement. UCHSC includes the schools of medicine, dentistry, nursing, pharmacy, graduate studies, and University Hospital. The library has a $3 million budget; 235,000 volumes; and staff of 42, including 15 faculty. Library staff work in a networked, microcomputer-based environment, use the Innovative Interfaces, Inc. integrated library system and a UNIX-based network of Ovid databases. The search committee will begin to review applications on November 1, 1998, and will continue until the position is filled. Send letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses, and phone numbers of 3 references to Debra Miller, Denison Memorial Library, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, 4200 E. 9th Avenue, Box A003, Denver, CO 80262-0003. The University of Colorado Health Sciences Center is committed to Equal Employment and Affirmative Action. Lisa K. Traditi, MLS lisa.traditi@uchsc.edu Head, Education and Learning Resources Center Denison Memorial Library University of Colorado Health Sciences Center From lpinkham at plcmc.lib.nc.us Wed Sep 23 11:47:48 1998 From: lpinkham at plcmc.lib.nc.us (Lida Pinkham) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Surfing the Net for Handicapped Message-ID: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if they want to activate a link on the page. Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a keyboard? Lida Pinkham Training Resource Coordinator Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg 704-353-0631 lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass From jbenedet at unm.edu Wed Sep 23 12:29:17 1998 From: jbenedet at unm.edu (John T. Benedetto) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped In-Reply-To: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Lida Pinkham wrote: > How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? > > In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if > they want to activate a link on the page. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in > or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a > keyboard? Assuming you're using Win95 (I don't have 98 currently, but it is probably similar), check out the options in the control panel for "accessibility options"; they may hold the key for what you're asking. John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Sep 23 12:42:33 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped Message-ID: Hi Lida/ >>> Lida Pinkham 09/23 11:08 AM >>> >How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? There are number of Assistive Technologies that are available to enable the handicapped to Surf the Net. I have described and provide links to several in my NextWAVe(sm) project page: Here's the URL: Next WAVe(sm): Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web Databases http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Wave.htm Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It" Alan Kay From mpeery at cyberserver01.mcl.lib.wa.us Wed Sep 23 12:45:13 1998 From: mpeery at cyberserver01.mcl.lib.wa.us (Matthew A. Peery) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with Web page sizing... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980922102931.0071cbe4@newton.library.american.edu> Message-ID: <199809231655.JAA12282@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> You might try setting percentage parameters for your tables. This way the tables will automatically adjust from resolution to resolution. > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Alicia Abramson > Sent: September 22, 1998 7:41 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with Web page sizing... > > > We have redesigned our home page only to discover that it doesn't > quite fit > entirely in the browser viewing area when users have a screen > resolution of > 640X480. Users with this resolution have to horizontally scroll > to see the > whole page. > > Does anyone have any HTML tricks or tips that would help us resolve this > issue? > > If you'd like to see the page yourself, take a look at: > http://www.library.american.edu/temp/newhome/test4.html. Thanks in advance for any help on this. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- | Alicia Abramson | * Head, Library Systems * | American University | * (202) 885-3228 * | aabrams@american.edu | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Sep 23 12:49:39 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped In-Reply-To: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> Message-ID: <000401bde712$27534c80$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> It isn't just the people who are unable to use a mouse who sometimes like to keep their hands on the keyboard. :-) Netscape, along with most current browsers, is quite capable of traversing the links in a page with the Tab and Enter keys. Similarly, it can move through client-side image maps and forms, although I note that my copy of 4.5b2 skips over . Sigh. HTML 4.0 offers a couple of ways for authors to facilitate keyboard navigation, but they aren't widely supported by browsers yet. The accesskey attribute available to many elements is intended to create keyboard shortcuts. AFAIK, this is only supported in MSIE4+, and it's a somewhat problematic implementation. Anchors and form inputs can also establish tab orders to control where the tab key goes to next. I believe this is also only supported in MSIE4+. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Lida Pinkham > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 12:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped > > > How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? > > In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but > what if they want to activate a link on the page. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, > plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the > internet using a keyboard? > > Lida Pinkham > Training Resource Coordinator > Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg > 704-353-0631 > lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us > http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us > > "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to > keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you > must run at least twice as fast." > ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass > From SteinkeL at awc.carlisle.army.mil Wed Sep 23 13:02:12 1998 From: SteinkeL at awc.carlisle.army.mil (Steinke, Leland J. Mr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped Message-ID: <9AFC7C3F14FCD1119EB40000778B58C22F6CF2@awc.carlisle.army.mil> I haven't tested it with IE4, but on NS4.01, I can press the Tab key until the link or button I want to activate is "highlighted" and then pressing Enter. I hope this helps. Leland -----Original Message----- How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if they want to activate a link on the page. Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a keyboard? From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Sep 23 14:09:11 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Link Checker In-Reply-To: <19980923.070955.3686.2.rjtiess@juno.com> Message-ID: <000101bde71d$43a693a0$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> I use Xenu which is free and checks all links on a site, not just on the current page. It is at: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: -- From kharriss at d.umn.edu Wed Sep 23 14:49:26 1998 From: kharriss at d.umn.edu (Kyle Harriss) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped In-Reply-To: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> Message-ID: One more thought - some people who can't use a mouse will also have trouble using keyboards. Depending on the situation, you might want want to explorer "dragon dictate". It allows the computer, including the mouse cursor, to be controlled by voice. -- Kyle Harriss kharriss@d.umn.edu Tech Services voice: 218-726-6546 UMD Library fax: 218-726-8019 Duluth, MN 55812 On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Lida Pinkham wrote: > How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? > > In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if they want to activate a link on the page. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a keyboard? > > Lida Pinkham > Training Resource Coordinator > Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg > 704-353-0631 > lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us > http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us > > "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." > ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass > From westra at gemini.oscs.montana.edu Wed Sep 23 15:19:56 1998 From: westra at gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Brian Westra) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped In-Reply-To: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> Message-ID: While keyboard shortcuts may not fulfill all your requirements, there is a good article reviewing them at http://www.onlineinc.com/onlinemag/OL1998/net5.html Brian Westra westra@montana.edu Assistant Professor/Reference Librarian (406)994-5298 Montana State University Libraries P.O. Box 173320 Bozeman, MT 59717-3320 On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Lida Pinkham wrote: > How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? > > In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if they want to activate a link on the page. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a keyboard? > > Lida Pinkham > Training Resource Coordinator > Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg > 704-353-0631 > lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us > http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us > > "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." > ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass > From smithj at pls.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 23 15:42:11 1998 From: smithj at pls.lib.ca.us (Jay Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Surfing the Net for Handicapped In-Reply-To: <01BDE6E7.FD290640@trainer.plcmc.net> Message-ID: Lida, The internet browser Opera (http://www.operasoftware.com/) has features (keyboard navigation etc.) that are supposed to make it easy to use without the mouse. It's not free (costs about $30). A free beta version (3.5 beta 9) can be downloaded from http://cws.internet.com (Stroud's Consummate Winsock Applications). Versions of the beta and the official release (3.21) are available for several platforms including Win95 and Win 3.x, ======================================================================== Jay Smith voice (650) 591-1110 (Tuesdays) Reference Librarian fax (650) 591-1585 (Tuesdays) San Mateo Co. Library voice (650) 574-4842 ext. 235 (Wed-Fri) Technical Support Group fax (650) 572-1875 (Wed-Fri) Peninsula Library System smithj@pls.lib.ca.us San Carlos Library, 610 Walnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 Foster City Library, 1000 E. Hillsdale, Foster City, CA 94404 ======================================================================== On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Lida Pinkham wrote: > How would someone who was not able to use a mouse surf the internet? > > In Netscape you can use Ctrl+L and then type in an address, but what if they want to activate a link on the page. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? Is there a special browser, plug-in or something that would allow a patron to surf the internet using a keyboard? > > Lida Pinkham > Training Resource Coordinator > Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg > 704-353-0631 > lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us > http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us > > "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." > ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass > From lpinkham at plcmc.lib.nc.us Wed Sep 23 17:08:29 1998 From: lpinkham at plcmc.lib.nc.us (Lida Pinkham) Date: Wed May 18 14:16:13 2005 Subject: Summary of Surfing the Net for Handicapped Message-ID: <01BDE714.CCCD2300@trainer.plcmc.net> Thanks everyone for your great feedback - it helped tremendously. Here is a quick summary of the information that was passed to me regarding alternative ways for surfing the web for the physically handicapped. TAB & ENTER Use the [Tab] key to move from link to link and then press [Enter] to activate a link. This works in NS 4.01, IE 3.0, IE 4.0 browser only. Thanks to Barbara Z. Haven[SMTP:bhaven@succeed.net], Thomas Dowling[SMTP:tdowling@ohiolink.edu], Sherry O'Neal-Hancock[SMTP:osherry@cal.net], Steinke, Leland J. Mr.[SMTP:SteinkeL@awc.carlisle.army.mil], John Lovin[SMTP:the4thr@twave.net], Skip Booth[SMTP:sb0026@mail.pratt.lib.md.us] Other Browsers The internet browser Opera (http://www.operasoftware.com/) has features (keyboard navigation etc.) that are supposed to make it easy to use without the mouse. It's not free (costs about $30). A free beta version (3.5 beta 9) can be downloaded from http://cws.internet.com (Stroud's Consummate Winsock Applications). Versions of the beta and the official release (3.21) are available for several platforms including Win95 and Win 3.x. Thanks to Jay Smith[SMTP:smithj@pls.lib.ca.us], Thor Arne Landsverk[SMTP:Thor.A.Landsverk@rbt.no] The Lynx browser, a text-only browser, uses keyboard commands (primarily the arrow keys). We use it here at Seattle Public Library and use it wirh two adapative software programs, one that enlarges the screen and another that provides a read-out of whatever is on the screen. Neither of these programs would work with a graphical browser. A problem we run into with Lynx is that more and more web pages are incorporating sophisticated graphics, i.e. scanned images of logos instead of typed in text, and not including Alt-tags with the images. The alt-tags provide a description of the image. Without some description of the images, whole pages are rendered completely unuseable by visually impaired web surfers. Thanks to Debi Westwood[SMTP:westwood@spl.org] KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS While keyboard shortcuts may not fulfill all your requirements, there is a good article reviewing them at http://www.onlineinc.com/onlinemag/OL1998/net5.html Thanks to Brian Westra[SMTP:westra@gemini.oscs.montana.edu] VOICE RECOGNITION SOFTWARE Depending on the situation, you might want want to explorer "dragon dictate". It allows the computer, including the mouse cursor, to be controlled by voice. Thanks to Kyle Harriss[SMTP:kharriss@d.umn.edu] ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES There are number of Assistive Technologies that are available to enable the handicapped to Surf the Net. I have described and provide links to several in my NextWAVe(sm) project page: Here's the URL: Next WAVe(sm): Auditory Browsing in Web and non-Web Databases http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Wave.htm Thanks to Gerry Mckiernan[SMTP:GMCKIERN@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu] ACCESSIBLITY OPTIONS IN WINDOWS 95 Assuming you're using Win95 (I don't have 98 currently, but it is probably similar), check out the options in the control panel for "accessibility options"; they may hold the key for what you're asking. Thanks to John T. Benedetto[SMTP:jbenedet@unm.edu] ALTERNATIVE MICE I have a device called a "foot mouse" that I purchased at great discount (98 cents--guess where?). I've kept it for days when my hand might not work well. The Foot Mouse was/is made by Versatron in Healdsberg, CA. People who drive have fairly well developed foot movements. Sounds fun for variety but I haven't tried it yet! Thanks to Barbara Z. Haven[SMTP:bhaven@succeed.net] On our graphical browser stations, we do have both the standard mouse and a larger version (sorry, the exact name slips my mind right now). The larger mouse is alittle larger than a softball and is much less sensitive to small movements. It's designed for kids who may not have the fine morot control that adults have so responds to bigger movements than a standard mouse. It also works well for adults who have arthritis or tremors. It's more comfortable for their hands (a looser grip) and less "jumpy". Thanks to Debi Westwood[SMTP:westwood@spl.org] Lida Pinkham Training Resource Coordinator Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg 704-353-0631 lpinkham@plcmc.lib.nc.us http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somwhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." ~Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass From bzhang at hawaii.edu Thu Sep 3 02:55:15 1998 From: bzhang at hawaii.edu (Bin Zhang) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: IE4: reset content supervisor password? Message-ID: <000201bdd707$cdbb77c0$a9010ccf@binzhang> Hi, We have a public workstation (Windows 95) with IE 4.01 installed. Someone put in a supervisor password. I tried uninstall IE, and then reinstalled it, it's still there. Is there any way to reset the password other than reformat the hard drive? Thanks for your advise. Bin Zhang Automation Librarian Kapiolani Community College Library University of Hawaii 4303 Diamond Head Road, Honolulu, HI 96816 Tel: +1 808-734-9254; Fax: +1 808-734-9453 From shanem at starvision.net.au Thu Sep 3 03:54:07 1998 From: shanem at starvision.net.au (Shane Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE4: reset content supervisor password? In-Reply-To: <000201bdd707$cdbb77c0$a9010ccf@binzhang> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980903175407.0091d980@starvision.net.au> I am running Win98 on the desktop, but I don't expect it will differ much in the way it deals with Content Ratings from Win95. I took a copy of my registry and started IE4. I then added a supervisor password and enabled ratings within IE. I took another copy of the registry and compared them. The key that was different was: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Rating s\Key I suggest that if you delete the key "Key" that your ratings are disabled (because the supervisor password was deleted). I did also notice a change in a file in the %windows%\System directory, this file is MSIN1964.RHC the file size remained the same, but the contents of the file changed. I am not sure if this change was relevant. Perhaps you could report back your results? Cheers Shane Miller At 12:10 3/09/98 -0700, Bin Zhang wrote: >Hi, > >We have a public workstation (Windows 95) with IE 4.01 installed. Someone >put in a supervisor password. I tried uninstall IE, and then reinstalled >it, it's still there. Is there any way to reset the password other than >reformat the hard drive? > >Thanks for your advise. > >Bin Zhang >Automation Librarian >Kapiolani Community College Library >University of Hawaii >4303 Diamond Head Road, Honolulu, HI 96816 >Tel: +1 808-734-9254; Fax: +1 808-734-9453 > > > From bpeters at idc.nl Wed Sep 2 11:01:21 1998 From: bpeters at idc.nl (Bas Peters) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open Message-ID: <4102749F4771D11198D500805F48E85B0F47F6@NTBDC> I would like to remind people about the discussion concerning the Dynamic Duo workshop, end of july this year. Regards, Bas Peters IDC Publishers > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas P. Copley [SMTP:tcopley@gigantor.arlington.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 4:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] ANNOUNCE> Fall Web Workshops Now Open > > Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly > more advanced user will be conducted monthly this fall by Arlington > Courseware. Three sessions of each workshop are now open. Both > are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by > HTML mail.* > > > MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE > > This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the > Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and > interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, > navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing > your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, > utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and > using HTML editors. > > The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link > Workshop home page: > > http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html > > > TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY > > This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken > independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate > user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting > the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a > standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with > page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using > client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML > 4.0, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, > Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and > utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft > Active Channels. > > The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the > Net Workshop home page: > > http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html > > > The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. > > > HOW TO SIGN UP > > Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: > > September Session September 14 - November 6 > October Session September 28 - November 20 > November Session November 2 - December 23 > > Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: > > September Session September 14 - November 6 > October Session September 28 - November 20 > November Session November 2 - December 23 > > Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take > it more than once. To sign up, please send an email message to the > address: > > majordomo@arlington.com > > and in the body of the message, > > include the words: to subscribe to: > ------------------ ---------------- > > subscribe links-sep the September session of Make the Link > subscribe links-oct the October session of Make the Link > subscribe links-nov the November session of Make the Link > > subscribe tune-sep the September session of Tune In the Net > subscribe tune-oct the October session of Tune In the Net > subscribe tune-nov the November session of Tune In the Net > > This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more > information about each workshop, and you will receive an > acknowledgment > with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should > you decide not to participate. > > If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive > a response, please send email to the address in the signature > line. > > * A plain ASCII text version is also available. > > ________________________________________________________________ > THOMAS P. COPLEY admin@arlington.com > Dynamic Duo Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ From dmiller at curry.edu Thu Sep 3 08:37:39 1998 From: dmiller at curry.edu (David P. Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? Message-ID: <199809031237.IAA09974@hermes.curry.edu> A very interesting question, Nick. I'll answer this on the list, though if the consensus is that it's out of bounds, we could continue it offlist. I don't immediately have an idea about specific clienteles, so that version of your question is harder for me. But my first response is that libraries are chaotic for people who expect their organization of materials to be congruent with their own personal understandings of how materials "ought" to be organized. So, the film studies professor wants everything touching on film studies shelved together -- otherwise, it's scattered all over the place. My own background is in performing arts, and "performing arts" doesn't exist as a unified concept in LCSH -- this I came to understand as an undergraduate. It's a unified concept in practice, particularly for multimedia artists. But dance, music, theater practice, dramatic texts -- they're all over the classification. This probably -is- offtopic, isn't it? At least my response is. Last comment: I believe that one measure of maturity in library users is that they come to understand that libraries (general libraries, at least) reflect a kind of consensus compromise about organization between vast numbers of people over time. They get steadily less upset by this. David Miller Levin Library, Curry College Milton, MA dmiller@curry.edu From sarat at fnal.gov Thu Sep 3 09:36:02 1998 From: sarat at fnal.gov (Sara Tompson) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? Message-ID: <001101bdd73f$caca29c0$031ce183@libpc3.fnal.gov> Hi: Here is my 2 cents worth. I think materials on shelves in libraries are always teetering on the edge of total entropy. It is so easy for items to get misshelved; even if one has staff doing shelf-reading DAILY, materials will still get out of order, because slick covered floppy books can slip into the middle of a shelving range, book ends can slide, etc. It is MUCH easier to keep metadata, AKA an online catalog, organized than physical materials! The latter tends toward chaos. I think we need to fight this entropic move, so our users can indeed physically browse a collection successfully. However, we are never going to totally win this fight. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sara Tompson, M.S. Library Administrator Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory PO Box 500, MS 109 Batavia, IL 60510 USA 630/840-6014 sarat@fnal.gov http://www-lib.fnal.gov/library/sara.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Nick Arnett To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:57 PM Subject: [WEB4LIB] From what point of view is a library chaotic? >I hope this question isn't too off-the-wall for Web4Lib, but I'm hoping I >can ask it in a way that is at least interesting. I'm working with the >notion that "organization" is a relative term. That is, one person's order >is another's chaos. The question that emerges is the one in the subject of >this message: From what point of view is a library chaotic? A similar, >perhaps easier, question would be, "For which potential clientele is the >library least well organized?" > >I hope I'm not assuming too much when I suggest that libraries *are* >chaotic to some people. > >This is for the book I'm working on. I'm not sure if I mentioned in my >last question, but the latest working title for it is, "Metanoia: The >Co-evolution of Technology and Thought." > >Nick > From donaldb at library.tmc.edu Thu Sep 3 11:05:49 1998 From: donaldb at library.tmc.edu (Donald Barclay) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: Web Forms--Is there a better mousetrap? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980903150549.006a13a8@library.tmc.edu> I've posted a form on the web that allows users to register for library classes: http://www.library.tmc.edu/classform.html When someone fills out and submits the form, I get an email telling me there is an attachment. I then open the attachment, run a macro, and print the results. However, I'm running into two problems. One is that I get a message telling me there is an attachment, but the attachment isn't there when I go to look. The other problem is that users will submit a form and get an error message even though the sumission went through OK. I'm wondering if there is a better way to do forms on the web--some kind of software or coding or whatever that is more sure-fire than the method I'm using, which is based on the following html coding:
Etc., etc.
Any help, hints, clues will be appreciated. Donald A. Barclay always the beautiful answer Houston Academy of Medicine- who asks the more beautiful question Texas Medical Center Library --e.e. cummings donaldb@library.tmc.edu From Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu Thu Sep 3 11:29:00 1998 From: Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Proxy servers In-Reply-To: <199809030042.UAA09487@goon.stg.brown.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980903102900.007a0720@vms.csd.mu.edu> I guess it boils down to what your IS department considers acceptable levels of access. I'd love for everyone on my campus to have a PPP account provided by the university so they can access the many online resources to which our library subscribes. The best our ITS department offers is 14.4 dial-up access to the university's VAX where users are reduced to using a two year old version of Lynx. I've tried in vain to get the systems folk to upgrade the version of Lynx we have installed, but apparently it can't be done...at least this is what I'm told. If someone wants to use a graphical web browser they have to get an account with a local ISP. Fortunately, there is a provider in town who gives about a 15% discount to Marquette users. I heard that the head of our ITS dept. stated that he didn't want his dept. to "become an ISP", hence no PPP accounts available for the masses. They have the technology, but just don't want to do it for reasons I can't even begin to speculate on. So, I think for many universities & colleges it's a complicated issue and has to do with technical capabilities, available resources, & institutional attitudes. In too many cases, from my own experience and from talking to other librarians, some IS Depts. just don't grasp the importance of off-campus access issues for library users. Sheryl Dwinell At 06:06 PM 9/2/98 -0700, Richard L. Goerwitz III wrote: >> How do we convince our computer centers and administrators of the >> necessity for remote users to have the same ease of access as on- >> campus users? > >I don't know if you intended to post this note to the list, but your >query merits some response: If your computer centers and administrat- >ors don't understand the importance of access for remote users, then >they should find other work. > >I work in a university setting, and we have professors on sabbatical; >students, professors, and staff who don't live on-campus; affiliated >(e.g., medical school faculty) in off-site clinics; graduate students >doing fieldwork (the list goes on and on). All of these people need >off-site access to on-campus resources. No competent university af- >filiated IS department worth its salt can hang these constituencies >out to dry. > >Richard Goerwitz >Brown University > Sheryl Dwinell * Cataloger/DBM Librarian/Webmaster Memorial Library * Marquette University P.O. Box 3141 * Milwaukee, WI 53201-3141 414-288-3406 * Sheryl.Dwinell@Marquette.edu From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Thu Sep 3 12:02:11 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Proxy servers In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980903102900.007a0720@vms.csd.mu.edu> from Sheryl Dwinell at "Sep 3, 98 09:03:25 am" Message-ID: <199809031602.MAA22866@goon.stg.brown.edu> Re off-campus access to on-campus resources, Sheryl writes: > I guess it boils down to what your IS department considers acceptable > levels of access. I'd love for everyone on my campus to have a PPP account > provided by the university... An account provided by the university is not necessary for reliable, secure, authenticated access to on-campus resources. All that's needed is for your IS people to run 1) a regular proxy server, 2) a URL rewriter, or 3) a pass- through proxy server. We have found option (3) above best at Brown, because it frees users from having to change any settings in their browsers and because it offers security that the other options do not. http://www.stg.brown.edu/pub/proxydoc/Proxy.tr98.1.shtml Northwestern happily uses option 1; UVa uses option 2. There are many solu- tions available. Richard Goerwitz From jpapier at infolink.org Thu Sep 3 12:04:02 1998 From: jpapier at infolink.org (jpapier) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: Learning Javascript Message-ID: <35EEBDF1.F0D88D82@infolink.org> Greetings All: I'm trying to decide whether Javascript is worth the effort to learn. Are folks finding that the features it adds to their Web pages are truly useful, attractive, innovative, etc.? I work in a public library, BTW, and besides some Perl / CGI functionality, our site is pretty much standard HTML so far. Thanks, JP -- Jeff Papier Network / Internet Librarian South Brunswick Public Library Monmouth Junction, NJ From ptully at gettysburg.edu Thu Sep 3 12:38:44 1998 From: ptully at gettysburg.edu (Pat Tully) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Learning Javascript In-Reply-To: <35EEBDF1.F0D88D82@infolink.org> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980903123844.00771eac@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> At 09:32 AM 9/3/98 -0700, jpapier wrote: >Greetings All: > >I'm trying to decide whether Javascript is worth the effort to learn. >Are folks finding that the features it adds to their Web pages are >truly useful, attractive, innovative, etc.? I work in a public library, BTW, >and besides some Perl / CGI functionality, our site is pretty much >standard HTML so far. Hi, I can't say I know much JavaScript, but we have found it useful in designing our WebOPAC (III). We used the back.history command to add a Previous Screen button that gets the patron back to the last page they were looking at (usually a bib record page), instead of taking them all the way back to the menu screen. We also used JavaScript to open a new, smaller window to display help screens. The patron clicks on a Help button, which opens the smaller window. The patron can then read the help screens while viewing the catalog. If you want to take a look, our URL is: http://138.234.4.40/ Click on any of the search links to see the Help button. To see the Previous screen button, click on the Where Do I Find ... ? link on the first screen. I hope this helps! Patricia A. Tully, Cataloging Librarian Box 420, Musselman Library Gettysburg College 300 N. Washington St. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17375 (717)337-7002 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Sep 3 13:58:53 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Learning Javascript In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980903123844.00771eac@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> Message-ID: <001d01bdd764$83156200$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > I can't say I know much JavaScript, but we have found it useful in > designing our WebOPAC (III). We used the back.history command to add a > Previous Screen button that gets the patron back to the last > page they were > looking at (usually a bib record page), instead of taking them > all the way > back to the menu screen. > > We also used JavaScript to open a new, smaller window to display help > screens. The patron clicks on a Help button, which opens the smaller > window. The patron can then read the help screens while > viewing the catalog. Or not. Please don't take this as a flame, but I find a lot of JavaScript makes no allowance for the unknown percentage of users who disable it in their browsers. I regularly use three browsers that support Javascript and disable it in the two I use most often. '' and '' take me exactly nowhere, which means that if I do get into one of your "Where do I find..." screens, I have no links available to take me anywhere else, nor can I access the online help anywhere in your catalog. In response to the original post, I don't think it ever hurts to learn something, and Javascript has definite uses. But also take time to learn what uses are supplementary and what uses are exclusionary. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From bjenn at pcisys.net Thu Sep 3 13:59:41 1998 From: bjenn at pcisys.net (Brian D. Jennison) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web Forms--Is there a better mousetrap? Message-ID: <01BDD733.6A471830@BJENNISON> One problem may be the two opening
tags. Depends on what error they users are getting. Brian D. Jennison Pikes Peak Library District -----Original Message----- From: Donald Barclay [SMTP:donaldb@library.tmc.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web Forms--Is there a better mousetrap? I've posted a form on the web that allows users to register for library classes: http://www.library.tmc.edu/classform.html When someone fills out and submits the form, I get an email telling me there is an attachment. I then open the attachment, run a macro, and print the results. However, I'm running into two problems. One is that I get a message telling me there is an attachment, but the attachment isn't there when I go to look. The other problem is that users will submit a form and get an error message even though the sumission went through OK. I'm wondering if there is a better way to do forms on the web--some kind of software or coding or whatever that is more sure-fire than the method I'm using, which is based on the following html coding: Etc., etc.
Any help, hints, clues will be appreciated. Donald A. Barclay always the beautiful answer Houston Academy of Medicine- who asks the more beautiful question Texas Medical Center Library --e.e. cummings donaldb@library.tmc.edu From ptully at gettysburg.edu Thu Sep 3 14:35:03 1998 From: ptully at gettysburg.edu (Pat Tully) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Learning Javascript In-Reply-To: <001d01bdd764$83156200$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980903143503.0072fb80@popserver.facmail.gettysburg.edu> At 11:21 AM 9/3/98 -0700, Thomas Dowling wrote: > ... Please don't take this as a flame, but I find a lot of JavaScript >makes no allowance for the unknown percentage of users who disable it in >their browsers. > ... >'' and '' take me exactly nowhere, which means that if I do get into one >of your "Where do I find..." screens, I have no links available to take me >anywhere else, nor can I access the online help anywhere in your catalog. ... This is something we had not thought of. In the case of the Previous Screen link in the Where do I find ... screens, users can use the Back button of their browser to get back to the main menu screen. We run the catalog in kiosk mode in the library, but those machines do not have JavaScript disabled. The unavailability of the online help screen, however, is not so easily dismissed. Thanks for the input; we'll give it some thought. Patricia A. Tully, Cataloging Librarian Box 420, Musselman Library Gettysburg College 300 N. Washington St. Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17375 (717)337-7002 From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Sep 3 14:52:05 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web Forms--Is there a better mousetrap? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980903150549.006a13a8@library.tmc.edu> Message-ID: <000501bdd76b$f195f0d0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Donald Barclay > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:56 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web Forms--Is there a better mousetrap? > > > I've posted a form on the web... > >
> > > Etc., etc. > > >
> > Any help, hints, clues will be appreciated.
is inherently risky. It's just not supported by some browsers, and in some other browsers support is limited only to a default mail program (i.e. it may work with MSIE and Outlook Express, but not the same version of MSIE and Eudora). The more universally reliable method is to use a CGI script. If you don't have CGI scripting experience, there are scripts to handle this "e-mail form input to address X" process; there are off-the-shelf versions that can be installed on your server, and even remote versions that you link to on the net. Sorry to leave you without specifics, but I haven't used them; a quick browse through your favorite web guide should do the trick. Also, of course, validate validate validate. Your page ended up with two BODY tags, and there's no telling how a browser might react to that. Thomas ("You Can't Make Me Say Portal") Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From helfrich at po.atlantic.county.lib.nj.us Thu Sep 3 15:24:35 1998 From: helfrich at po.atlantic.county.lib.nj.us (Gair Helfrich) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE4: reset content supervisor password? Message-ID: <199809031932.PAA04503@po.atlantic.county.lib.nj.us> There is a way to do this. I will be happy to fax step by step instructions to anyone who requests them. Be sure to include your fax number. Once we removed the password set (un)intentionally by the patron, we then set one of our own, so that this would not happen again. _____ Gair Helfrich 609-641-1778 Community Librarian 609-641-0771 (fax) Atlantic County Library helfrich@po.atlantic.county.lib.nj.us 132 W. Washington Ave. Pleasantville, NJ 08232 ---------- > From: Shane Miller > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: IE4: reset content supervisor password? > Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 4:10 AM > > I am running Win98 on the desktop, but I don't expect it will differ much > in the way it deals with Content Ratings from Win95. > > I took a copy of my registry and started IE4. I then added a supervisor > password and enabled ratings within IE. I took another copy of the > registry and compared them. The key that was different was: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Rating > s\Key > > I suggest that if you delete the key "Key" that your ratings are disabled > (because the supervisor password was deleted). I did also notice a change > in a file in the %windows%\System directory, this file is MSIN1964.RHC the > file size remained the same, but the contents of the file changed. I am > not sure if this change was relevant. > > Perhaps you could report back your results? > > Cheers > Shane Miller > > > > At 12:10 3/09/98 -0700, Bin Zhang wrote: > >Hi, > > > >We have a public workstation (Windows 95) with IE 4.01 installed. Someone > >put in a supervisor password. I tried uninstall IE, and then reinstalled > >it, it's still there. Is there any way to reset the password other than > >reformat the hard drive? > > > >Thanks for your advise. > > > >Bin Zhang > >Automation Librarian > >Kapiolani Community College Library > >University of Hawaii > >4303 Diamond Head Road, Honolulu, HI 96816 > >Tel: +1 808-734-9254; Fax: +1 808-734-9453 > > > > > > From jmk at Synopsys.COM Thu Sep 3 15:41:33 1998 From: jmk at Synopsys.COM (Janet Kaul) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: need feedback on log analysis software Message-ID: <199809031941.MAA20073@marius.synopsys.com> We're looking at choosing traffic reporting software for our intranet, and would be interested in feedback from anyone who has used one or more of the following products: WebTrends Enterprise Suite 2.0 net.Analysis Pro MarketWave's HitList Bazaar Analyzer Pro 2.0 NetIntellect 3.0 What didn't it do that you wanted? How was the support? Why did you choose it over other products? Please email me directly at jmk@synopsys.com, and if I get enough responses to be helpful, I'll email a summary to the list. Thanks. -Janet From dennis at dati.com Thu Sep 3 15:58:41 1998 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Proxy or other technologies References: <35EEE300.7AE2@dati.com> Message-ID: <35EEF4F1.800@dati.com> Wilfred Drew wrote: > > I have been asked by our library director to investgate proxy servers or > other technologies for letting our off campus faculty and students access > our databases and other services in the same way they can from machines on > campus. The main concern is allowing our distance learners access to our > subscription databases without requring us to give out passwords for each > database. Ultimately this technology may be applied by all of the New York > State University Colleges of Technology libraries. The goal is to make > remote machines appear as if they are on campus without requiring the user > to dial in to us. > > I am looking for Windows based platform (either NT or 95/98). What size > machine is needed for 12,000 to 15,000 users? What software is needed? Any > particular software packages? How much up keep and maintenance? Can > password /userfiles from VAX or other local systems be used? > Depending on the economics and fit, this could be another application for WinFrame/MetaFrame. I recently installed WinFrame for thin client access to Netscape using Wyse WinTerms. Shortly, the system will be expanded to provide in-library access to a CD collection, and eventually to provide off-site access to the CD collection. In this case, a side benefit is that WinFrame could act as a proxy server, allowing WinFrame users to access Internet resources subscribed to by the library. A curious thing about WinFrame: everyone running a session on the box has the same (static) IP address. So, if that IP address is within the range permitted by the Internet database provider, users connecting to WinFrame can access Internet databases which check the IP address for validation. Admittedly, this could be a blessing or a curse, depending on the objectives. Also, it is conceivable that a database provider would not allow more than x connections from the same IP address, though I haven't encountered that yet. If you're already considering wide area or Internet access to your CD collection or other library resources, and faced with proxies, this could be a solution. -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc. Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 mailto:dennis@dati.com From crumj at ohsu.edu Thu Sep 3 16:32:25 1998 From: crumj at ohsu.edu (Janet Crum) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: Browser support for Active X controls Message-ID: Greetings, O Wise Web4Libbers-- I'm trying to find out which browsers support Microsoft Active X controls, and I haven't had much luck. I know IE4.0 does, but do any others? Thanks in advance! Janet -------------- Janet Crum (http://www.ohsu.edu/bicc-Library/staff/crumj/) Bibliographic and Database Services Librarian Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, OR From STLIFER at LJ.CAHNERS.COM Thu Sep 3 17:13:00 1998 From: STLIFER at LJ.CAHNERS.COM (Evan St. Lifer) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:48 2005 Subject: Customizing Learning Modules -Reply Message-ID: <35EF0536.B6C2.318F.000@MHS> Do you have any more info on your efforts to do what you describe below? thks in advance, Evan St. Lifer Executive Editor Library Journal >>> web4lib@library.berkeley.edu 06/25/98 01:59pm >>> ******************* Multiple Post -- Apologies *********************** In Minnesota, we are exploring ways to scale up delivery of customizable web-based information literacy modules. What approaches or techniques has anyone used to customize web-based learning modules? We are particularly interested in methods that go beyond using flat HTML templates or files. Is anyone using a database to generate customized modules? Or other object-oriented approaches? Or course authoring tools for this purpose? Thanks. ********************************************************** John T. Butler ph: 612/624-4362 Distance Learning Development fx: 612/626-9353 University of Minnesota Libraries Twin Cities Campus 499 Wilson Library 309 Nineteenth Avenue South Minneapolis MN 55455 http://www.lib.umn.edu/ From mongerl at LIB01.FERRIS.EDU Wed Sep 9 16:17:10 1998 From: mongerl at LIB01.FERRIS.EDU (Leah Monger) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: Library web page development policies Message-ID: <1B2AB2269A@LIB01.FERRIS.EDU> Hi, folks: I know this subject has been brought up on web4lib before, but a search through the archives yielded a lot of dead links. I am looking for sample library web page policies and statements of purpose. If those of you with web policies on the web would send me your URL's, I'd be happy to post an updated summary to the list. Thanks very much, Leah ************************************* Leah Monger Head, Library Systems and Operations Timme Library Ferris State University 1201 S. State Street Big Rapids, MI 49307-2747 (616)592-2947 (616)592-3724 (fax) mongerl@lib01.ferris.edu From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Sep 9 15:48:39 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library web page development policies In-Reply-To: <1B2AB2269A@LIB01.FERRIS.EDU> Message-ID: This may be a good time to remind everyone about the Library Web Manager's Reference Center, at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html Which has been built (slowly) in response to questions like this that appear periodically on Web4Lib and from contribution from readers. On that page you will find (live) links to two collections under the heading "Web Policies" -- one aimed at public libraries, and the other at academic. If anyone knows of additional collections, please let me know so I can add them to that page. Thanks, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Leah Monger wrote: > Hi, folks: > I know this subject has been brought up on web4lib before, but a > search through the archives yielded a lot of dead links. I am > looking for sample library web page policies and statements of > purpose. If those of you with web policies on the web would send me > your URL's, I'd be happy to post an updated summary to the list. > > Thanks very much, > Leah > > > ************************************* > Leah Monger > Head, Library Systems and Operations > Timme Library > Ferris State University > 1201 S. State Street > Big Rapids, MI 49307-2747 > (616)592-2947 > (616)592-3724 (fax) > mongerl@lib01.ferris.edu > From schmitz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Wed Sep 9 15:54:08 1998 From: schmitz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Greg Dean Schmitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: Anti-Porn Search Engine, PointCom Message-ID: <35F6DCE0.64AE5AC2@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG> I discovered a new search engine today at http://www.pointcom.com called "PointCom: the First Anti-Porn Search Engine", which says that it is launching on September 15th, 1998. Besides the obvious reasons this new search engine might be of interest to libraries, I mention this for another reason. When I attempted to add my library's URL to this new search engine, I got a screen describing PointCom's "advertising rates", explaining that only those sites that pay PointCom will be listed, and that the more you pay, the better placed your site is. Doesn't this seems an odd way to approach a search engine, as it seems all they're going to get are commercial sites, and not the non-commercial sites that are often the source of useful information like libraries, non-profit organizations, and universities? -- Greg D. Schmitz | email: schmitz@winnefox.org Reference Librarian | Phone: (920) 236-5205 Oshkosh Public Library | Alt. Phone: (920) 236-5204 Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) 236-5227 http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ ________________________________________________________________________ From dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu Wed Sep 9 16:32:59 1998 From: dfk at snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Anti-Porn Search Engine, PointCom In-Reply-To: <35F6DCE0.64AE5AC2@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG> Message-ID: Hi, Hmmmm.....this would be like a Yellow Pages model. It's a free country, they can have at it. I doubt it will be all that popular but it could fill a certain niche, as does the Yellow Pages. Dan Kissane Systems Librarian SUNY College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 kissandf@oneonta.edu On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Greg Dean Schmitz wrote: > I discovered a new search engine today at http://www.pointcom.com called > "PointCom: the First Anti-Porn Search Engine", which says that it is > launching on September 15th, 1998. > > Besides the obvious reasons this new search engine might be of interest > to libraries, I mention this for another reason. When I attempted to > add my library's URL to this new search engine, I got a screen > describing PointCom's "advertising rates", explaining that only those > sites that pay PointCom will be listed, and that the more you pay, the > better placed your site is. > > Doesn't this seems an odd way to approach a search engine, as it seems > all they're going to get are commercial sites, and not the > non-commercial sites that are often the source of useful information > like libraries, non-profit organizations, and universities? > > -- > Greg D. Schmitz | email: > schmitz@winnefox.org > Reference Librarian | Phone: (920) 236-5205 > Oshkosh Public Library | Alt. Phone: (920) 236-5204 > Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) 236-5227 > http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > From kirwin at wittenberg.EDU Wed Sep 9 16:44:54 1998 From: kirwin at wittenberg.EDU (Kenneth R Irwin) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Anti-Porn Search Engine, PointCom In-Reply-To: <35F6DCE0.64AE5AC2@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG> Message-ID: this sounds like trading one evil for another -- it's pretty easy to spot porn sites in search results lists -- it's harder to see what isn't there... k [/|\] Ken Irwin -=- kirwin@wittenberg.edu -=- (937) 327-7594 |-+-| Reference/Electronic Resources Librarian [\|/] Thomas Library, Wittenberg University "There's only one way to find out. Actually, there are lots of ways to find out. We're librarians -- we can find anything out five different ways." --KI On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Greg Dean Schmitz wrote: > I discovered a new search engine today at http://www.pointcom.com called > "PointCom: the First Anti-Porn Search Engine", which says that it is > launching on September 15th, 1998. > > Besides the obvious reasons this new search engine might be of interest > to libraries, I mention this for another reason. When I attempted to > add my library's URL to this new search engine, I got a screen > describing PointCom's "advertising rates", explaining that only those > sites that pay PointCom will be listed, and that the more you pay, the > better placed your site is. > > Doesn't this seems an odd way to approach a search engine, as it seems > all they're going to get are commercial sites, and not the > non-commercial sites that are often the source of useful information > like libraries, non-profit organizations, and universities? > > -- > Greg D. Schmitz | email: > schmitz@winnefox.org > Reference Librarian | Phone: (920) 236-5205 > Oshkosh Public Library | Alt. Phone: (920) 236-5204 > Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) 236-5227 > http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > From ldyckman at chw.edu Wed Sep 9 16:49:34 1998 From: ldyckman at chw.edu (Dyckman, Lise M) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: charging for inclusion to a search engine Message-ID: It sounds like PointCom is only making explicit policies that are used by many search engines. An article published on ZDNet about a month ago listed this as Secret No.4, but there's been mention in the press of other engines, among them Excite and InfoSeek, doing this too. I don't know if any of these have been as bald (or bold) as to exclude a worthwhile site just because it didn't pay, though. The story "Search Sites' Shocking Secret" came from Berst Alert, Jesse Berst ed., ZDNet AnchorDesk and was published 8/17/98 at URL: chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/adem2fpf/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_2432.html > - it may have moved since then. > > Lise M. Dyckman > Health Sciences Library, Sequoia Hospital > email: ldyckman@chw.edu > phone: (650) 367-5880 > > > On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Greg Dean Schmitz wrote: > > > [some deletions...] > > Besides the obvious reasons this new search engine might be of > interest > > to libraries, I mention this for another reason. When I attempted > to > > add my library's URL to this new search engine, I got a screen > > describing PointCom's "advertising rates", explaining that only > those > > sites that pay PointCom will be listed, and that the more you pay, > the > > better placed your site is. > > > > Doesn't this seems an odd way to approach a search engine, as it > seems > > all they're going to get are commercial sites, and not the > > non-commercial sites that are often the source of useful information > > like libraries, non-profit organizations, and universities? > > > > -- > > Greg D. Schmitz | email: > > schmitz@winnefox.org > > Reference Librarian | Phone: (920) > 236-5205 > > Oshkosh Public Library | Alt. Phone: (920) > 236-5204 > > Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) > 236-5227 > > http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > > > > > > > > > From mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us Wed Sep 9 18:49:51 1998 From: mbobkoff at ci.santa-fe.nm.us (Miriam Bobkoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: WebForms revisited Message-ID: <001001bddc44$2981ef30$e95f47cf@libmain-nt-2.ci.santa-fe.nm.us> Thomas Dowling pointed out that . "If you don't have CGI scripting experience, there are scripts to handle this "e-mail form input to address X" process; there are off-the-shelf versions that can be installed on your server, and even remote versions that you link to on the net." I think we may need to use one of these "remote versions that you link to". Our director wants to put up a community survey on our webpage, part of a major planning process; but the city's computer guys say our web pages do not reside in a machine equipped to handle PERL, and the pages are moving soon to another machine so they aren't going to touch any of the arrangements now even if I offer to find a model script and (learn how to) modify it and generally do all the work if they'll let me. (I may have the details a little wrong, but basically they said, "No, go away." I have located several remote mailto sites that seem to work with a little dummy form I've put up in our page space. The director will get what she wants--the survey form residing in our own web pages--and the input will be assembled by the remote script and arrive to my mailbox (or the director's ;-) Here is the question: is there any reason why we really ought NOT to do it this way? Privacy issues for people filling out the form? Whatever? Has anyone had any experience sending form output to one of these sites for reals and not just as a test? Any particular site to recommend? Thanks much. Miriam Bobkoff mbobkoff@ci.santa-fe.nm.us Santa Fe Public Library 145 Washington Avenue Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 984-6832 The Library's Page http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfpl/ From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Wed Sep 9 19:52:45 1998 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: citing URLs In-Reply-To: <199809092226.PAA24647@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <001201bddc4c$f128a580$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> > was published 8/17/98 at URL: >chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/adem2fpf/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_2432.html I'm not a cataloger, so I suppose I don't really have the qualifications to pick such nits, but the above is not a URL. It does not include the "access method" and associated punctuation (presumably in this case http://, but perhaps ftp:// or https:// or something else). As a practical matter, not including the FULL URL in your messages means that people with web-enabled email systems normally can't just click on the link in your message. As a style matter, it's important to provide all the citation information people may need, which includes the access method. From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Wed Sep 9 20:01:23 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:49 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] citing URLs Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980909200123.57977566@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 05:09 PM 9/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >> was published 8/17/98 at URL: >>chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/adem2fpf/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_2432.html > >. . . the above is not a URL. It does not include the >"access method" and associated punctuation (presumably in this case >http://, but perhaps ftp:// or https:// or something else). . . . >As a style matter, it's important to provide all >the citation information people may need, which includes the access >method. If anyone has any doubts about the importance of this observation - here is a simple experiment using the basic path link.tsl.texas.gov http://link.tsl.texas.gov takes you to a very well designed Web page telnet://link.tsl.texas.gov takes you to a very thoughtfully provided character-based application which makes their information available essentially to any computer with telnet capability. Ultimately the data is the same - but the user interface is VASTLY different and withouth the first part of the URL you have no way of knowing which is intended. Just a thought Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From danny at calafia.com Thu Sep 10 06:09:03 1998 From: danny at calafia.com (Danny Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: charging for inclusion to a search engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199809101007.EAA12471@calafia.com> > An article published on ZDNet about a month ago listed this as > Secret No.4, but there's been mention in the press of other > engines, among them Excite and InfoSeek, doing this too. Only GoTo.com, among the more prominent search services, charges to be listed higher in its results. The ZDNet article was way off base by suggesting that other search engines do this. danny ----------------------------------- Danny Sullivan Editor, Search Engine Watch http://searchenginewatch.com From Jose.Copete at uab.es Thu Sep 10 07:04:00 1998 From: Jose.Copete at uab.es (Jose Luis Copete) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Decomate II project news, 4/09/98 Message-ID: <35F7B220.58E2CC76@cc.uab.es> EC DECOMATE II project: End of specification phase The Telematics for Libraries funded project DECOMATE II: Developing the European digital library for economics, finished its specification phase in August 1998. The following reports are available to the public in electronic form (both HTML and PDF formats) at the project's web address: http://www.bib.uab.es/decomate2 *Analysis of digital resources. This report outlines the digital resources available at the local sites of the project participants, including an analysis of these digital resources and their suitability to the development of the project. *Scope of Decomate II contents. The report identifies the type of materials and resources to be included in the service, and includes a short study on its main characteristics in view of potential problem areas that can be encountered. *User study design. The report outlines the methodology to be used to gather both qualitative and quantitative feedback, and outlines a preliminary timetable for the user study. *User requirements, system architecture and conceptual design. This report describes the user requirements and contains the description of the system environment and conceptual design of the system. Project manager: Mr Joost Dijkstra, Tilburg University Library. P.O. Box 90153. 5000 LE Tilburg, The Netherlands. Phone: +31-13-663327; fax: +31-13-663370; e-mail: J.M.M.Dijkstra@kub.nl Dissemination contact: Mrs N?ria Gallart, Universitat Aut?noma de Barcelona. Servei de Biblioteques. Edifici A. 08193 Bellaterra, Spain. Phone: +34-93-5812746; fax: +34-93-5813219; e-mail: Nuria.Gallart@uab.es -- ********************************************************************* Jos? Luis Copete Secci? de Projectes (93) 581.27.46/Fax (93) 581.32.19 Servei de Biblioteques, Universitat Aut?noma de Barcelona From Jhamblet at nmu.edu Thu Sep 10 08:00:38 1998 From: Jhamblet at nmu.edu (John Hambleton, Academic Information Services) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Y2K on PC Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980910080038.007da230@pop.mail.nmu.edu> Hola! I'm new to this list. Perhaps this list is not appropriate for the following query but I'll learn: How are others addressing Y2K concerns with their Library's PC's? I have gathered the following facts: there could be problems with Pentium PC's produced before 1996, and there could be problems with early versions of Windows 95. I believe that Windows 98 is fully Y2K compliant. Thanks in Advance. "Hi Krista!" From jrichards at lib.naperville.il.us Thu Sep 10 03:47:45 1998 From: jrichards at lib.naperville.il.us (Jim Richards) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K on PC In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980910080038.007da230@pop.mail.nmu.edu> Message-ID: <199809101238.HAA23491@doorstep.lib.naperville.il.us> > > How are others addressing Y2K concerns with their Library's > PC's? I have gathered the following facts: there could be > problems with Pentium PC's produced before 1996, and there could > be problems with early versions of Windows 95. I believe that Windows > 98 is fully Y2K compliant. > Thanks in Advance. > > "Hi Krista!" > > > We have concentrated our efforts with the city but as far as individual PC's go in the library we have tested about 25% of our machines' BIOS manually. We have not gone any further than this because we are in the process of planning our future which will include a 50% replacement rate each year. FYI--Windows 95 is not compatable and the fixes that are out there do not fix all the Y2K problems. From the way Microsoft has been going lately with 98 and NT 5, I doubt there ever will be a true end-all and be-all Y2K fix for 95. As far as 98 goes, even though MS says that 98 is Y2K compliant, it is not. There has already been a date flaw uncovered. It is still more compliant than 95 but, still not 100%. I would expect to see a Y2K fix for 98 in Service Release 1, if it ever gets here! An added note--NT 4 workstation IS Y2K compatable. Hope this helps! {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Jim Richards Systems Administrator Naperville Public Libraries Voice: (630)961-4100 x241 200 W. Jefferson Ave. Fax: (630)961-4117 Naperville, IL 60540-5374 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} From mfriley at erols.com Thu Sep 10 08:56:42 1998 From: mfriley at erols.com (Margaret F. Dikel) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K on PC In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980910080038.007da230@pop.mail.nmu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980910085642.006df190@pop.access.digex.net> At 05:11 AM 09/10/1998 -0700, John Hambleton, Academic Information Services wrote: >How are others addressing Y2K concerns with their Library's >PC's? I have gathered the following facts: there could be >problems with Pentium PC's produced before 1996, and there could >be problems with early versions of Windows 95. I believe that Windows >98 is fully Y2K compliant. Most manufacturers and software companies have Y2K information on their websites, including warnings, tests, and patches (if available.) I checked the Acer website and found a test to use to check my PC's BIOS for compatibility along with a statement that anything after XXXX date was in compliance. I then visited several websites for the software on my computer and was able to find information and a lot of patches for software I use frequently. I also found warnings that certain versions of programs are not compliant and the manufacturer would not do the work to make them compliant. So, upgrades are in order. I'd probably check in with your campus IS/IT department to see what they are doing about this issue. Funny, you hear all kinds of news about commercial and government projects to prepare for Y2K. What are the colleges and universities doing? And what are your contingency plans should it all go wrong? Margaret PS--my husband is working in Y2K contingency planning right now to make sure we can all continue to pay our taxes. Margaret Dikel, MSLIS 11218 Ashley Dr. The Riley Guide Rockville, MD 20852 www.dbm.com/jobguide 301-984-4229 mfriley@erols.com 301-984-6390 FAX Margaret_Riley@dbm.com From sdk at mindspring.com Thu Sep 10 09:49:38 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Y2K on PC Message-ID: <003d01bddcc1$df838820$8787b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> One of my consulting gigs is Y2K Webmeister for Honeywell Space Systems in Clearwater, FL. I've gathered a lot of information on this issue, compliances, etc. Unfortunately, my actual site is locked up behind a firewall. But here are some critical links you can check for information: Microsoft Technet Year 2000 Resource Center ("The Microsoft Year 2000 Resource Center Product Guide details specific Microsoft products and their Year 2000 preparedness. ") http://www.microsoft.com/technet/topics/year2k/default.htm Federal Year 2000 Commercial Off-the-Shelf (COTS) Product Database "...contains agencies experiences and notation regarding specific products, vendor information, and details of Year 2000 code compliance." Searchable. http://y2k.policyworks.gov/ Year 2000 Information Center "...provides a forum for disseminating information about the year 2000 problem..." http://www.year2000.com/ Information Technology Association of America's Year 2000 page Publications, vendor directory, government information, etc. http://www.itaa.org/year2000.htm IBM Year 2000 Home Page Very comprehensive and well-organized http://www.ibm.com/IBM/year2000/ Year 2000 Millenium Resource Database "...the hub of the Year 2000 Millenium Resource Site Ring...a group of Web sites dedicated to the Year 2000 problem." http://www.y2klinks.com/ Year 2000 Tools and Services Catalog Defense Systems Information Agency and MITRE. "...presently has 700+ vendor entries." http://www.mitre.org/research/y2k/docs/TOOLS_CAT.html Year 2000 Bookmark Collection Huge collection; everything from training/education to regulatory agencies. Regularly updated. http://pw1.netcom.com/~ggirod/bookmark.html "Small Business Help for the Year 2000" -- offers some useful checklists and "steps to take" documents http://www.sba.gov/y2k/ Robert Hilliard's Year 2000 Date Crisis Page "It has been said...'The Year 2000 Date Crisis is like an onion. The more layers you peel, the more you'll cry.'" Eclectic and sometimes humorous. There's a downloadable PowerPoint presentation about the Y2K problem here. http://www.tyler.net/tyr7020/y2k.htm Don't Get Stung by the Year 2000 Problem Interesting, informative collection of articles on the potential effects of Y2K on investments, bank/credit union accounts, credit cards, insurance, Social Security/Medicare, taxes, home appliances, etc. Good for answers to questions like, "Will the ATM still work?" http://www.pathfinder.com/money/y2k/index.html In addition, there are more links than you can shake a stick at via Yahoo: http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Year_2000_Problem/ Hope this is helpful for anyone working the Y2K problem...or providing research assistance to others involved with the issue. Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist Information Today Best Bet Internet http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0838907121/002-3206652-8002207 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Richards To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:24 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Y2K on PC >> >> How are others addressing Y2K concerns with their Library's >> PC's? I have gathered the following facts: there could be >> problems with Pentium PC's produced before 1996, and there could >> be problems with early versions of Windows 95. I believe that Windows >> 98 is fully Y2K compliant. >> Thanks in Advance. >> >> "Hi Krista!" >> >> >> >We have concentrated our efforts with the city but as far as >individual PC's go in the library we have tested about 25% of our >machines' BIOS manually. We have not gone any further than this >because we are in the process of planning our future which will >include a 50% replacement rate each year. > >FYI--Windows 95 is not compatable and the fixes that are out there >do not fix all the Y2K problems. From the way Microsoft has been >going lately with 98 and NT 5, I doubt there ever will be a true >end-all and be-all Y2K fix for 95. As far as 98 goes, even though MS >says that 98 is Y2K compliant, it is not. There has already been a >date flaw uncovered. It is still more compliant than 95 but, still >not 100%. I would expect to see a Y2K fix for 98 in Service Release >1, if it ever gets here! An added note--NT 4 workstation IS Y2K >compatable. > >Hope this helps! >{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} > Jim Richards > Systems Administrator > Naperville Public Libraries Voice: (630)961-4100 x241 > 200 W. Jefferson Ave. Fax: (630)961-4117 > Naperville, IL 60540-5374 >{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} From jurigsby at oru.edu Thu Sep 10 09:54:48 1998 From: jurigsby at oru.edu (Judith Rigsby) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Y2K on PC Message-ID: <35F7DA28.5780@oru.edu> Margaret F. Dikel wrote: >I'd probably check in with your campus IS/IT department to see what they >are doing about this issue. Funny, you hear all kinds of news about >commercial and government projects to prepare for Y2K. What are the >colleges and universities doing? And what are your contingency plans >should it all go wrong? >Margaret I began asking those questions of our IS Department nearly three years ago and the response was always that there were no Y2K problems and everything was fine. In fact, once I was even laughed at for asking the question. I personally checked the two computers in my office and one was compliant and the other was not. Both run Windows 95 (Don't you find it interesting that MS called their products "95" and "98" rather than "1995" and "1998"?) The question of Y2K compliancy was once again directed to the IS Director just a few weeks ago and the response again was that there were no problems to be concerned with. There is little or no awareness of Y2K on my campus and we in the library have no confidence that anything will work on January 1, 2000. We have begun discussing making some contingency plans in the event that all our networks crash. We seldom throw anything away and are using low-end computers as print servers, etc. I doubt that any of these are compliant. There are numerous colleges and universities with excellent Y2K plans, but I have found little information concerning the libraries at those institutions. Some have replaced or updated their library systems to be compliant, but the problem of hardware still remains. My question has been why the library community has been so silent on this issue. Are they completely relying on the computer IT/IS departments to address the problem? With their track record of late project delivery, perhaps we need to be a little more concerned. This is one date that cannot be pushed forward or changed. 477 days and counting, Judith From j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us Thu Sep 10 10:39:24 1998 From: j-klock at evanston.lib.il.us (James Klock) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Y2K on PC Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980910093924.009667b0@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> >>I'd probably check in with your campus IS/IT department to see what they >>are doing about this issue. >I began asking those questions of our IS Department nearly three years >ago and the response was always that there were no Y2K problems and >everything was fine. In fact, once I was even laughed at for asking the >question. I personally checked the two computers in my office and one >was compliant and the other was not. Part of the issue here may be that your IS department is (rightly, IMHO) focusing their efforts on the large or widely-used systems upon which many people depend from day to day. PCs, by and large, don't have any NEED to care what the date and time is-- if the CMOS battery dies, the PC has no intrinsic way of keeping track of time. Most PCs that fail to recognize year 2000 will actually revert on January 1 2000 to believing that it is Jan 1 1980. There are a very few applications which you might run on your PC which would respond badly to this, but by and large, having your PCs report the wrong time is not a major issue. >There are numerous colleges and universities with excellent Y2K plans, >but I have found little information concerning the libraries at those >institutions. If you haven't gotten a statement from the folks who sold you your library automation system, you may have a serious problem (yes, I realize that there are a few "PC-based" automation systems. Some of these may be amoungst those very few applications that will give you problems.) If your library automation system is not something that your IS department normally gets invovled in, they may not remember you when they're working on their Y2K issues. If you want their help, tell them specifically what your need is ("we have this database that tracks all of the books, and we want some help figuring out if it will break", not "hey guys, are we going to have a problem with our systems, which I will not specify in this sentence so as to ensure that you don't know which systems I'm talking about...") James From hope at tiac.net Thu Sep 10 11:54:02 1998 From: hope at tiac.net (Hope Tillman) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Re Y2K on PC Message-ID: <009201bddcd3$3e77f120$439b309b@hope-tillman.babson.edu> Originally I sent this message directly to John Hambleton but seeing the other responses to the list, I am redirecting it to the full group. This past year I was given the Y2K Coordinator for the College assignment and have been working with the administrators and will be working with the faculty now that the fall semester has begun. The Library is part of the Information Technology and Services Division which includes all of our IT. Ihave found a number of our library products are not y2k compliant in addition to possible hardware issues. Most of our hardware is newer than 1996, fortunately. Windows 95 is not compliant. I am trying to get letters of compliance from all the vendors with whom we do business if there are not clear statements on their web sites. Also I have explored some of the testing tools available such as Greenwich Mean Time's Check 2000 (http://www.gmt-2000.com/main.htm). On our web site for y2k, I am pointing to several of these tools (http://www.babson.edu/y2k/tools.htm) I'm putting together a talk for Internet Librarian in November on the topic and would appreciate learning how other libraries are dealing with this as well. Hope Tillman Director of Libraries Babson College Babson Park MA 781-239-4259 tillman@babson.edu -----Original Message----- From: John Hambleton, Academic Information Services To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 7:10 AM Subject: [WEB4LIB] Y2K on PC >Hola! > >I'm new to this list. Perhaps this list is not >appropriate for the following query but I'll learn: > >How are others addressing Y2K concerns with their Library's >PC's? I have gathered the following facts: there could be >problems with Pentium PC's produced before 1996, and there could >be problems with early versions of Windows 95. I believe that Windows >98 is fully Y2K compliant. >Thanks in Advance. > > From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Thu Sep 10 11:06:39 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] citing URLs In-Reply-To: <001201bddc4c$f128a580$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: To further pick nits, the *real* URL is this: http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_2432.html The URL below goes through a "checkpoint" first for tracking purposes and then is forwarded on to the final destination. Roy On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, JQ Johnson wrote: > > was published 8/17/98 at URL: > >chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/adem2fpf/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_2432.html > > I'm not a cataloger, so I suppose I don't really have the qualifications > to pick such nits, but the above is not a URL. It does not include the > "access method" and associated punctuation (presumably in this case > http://, but perhaps ftp:// or https:// or something else). As a > practical matter, not including the FULL URL in your messages means that > people with web-enabled email systems normally can't just click on the > link in your message. As a style matter, it's important to provide all > the citation information people may need, which includes the access > method. > > From jkb at ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 10 11:07:28 1998 From: jkb at ix.netcom.com (Jim Barrentine) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Win95 Taskbar Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980910110728.012dc7e8@popd.ix.netcom.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 419 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980910/d6277288/attachment.bin From jbenedet at unm.edu Thu Sep 10 11:48:36 1998 From: jbenedet at unm.edu (John T. Benedetto) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Win95 Taskbar In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980910110728.012dc7e8@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Jim Barrentine wrote: > Some Win95 applications place icons at the right side of he taskbar. > Does anyone know where the config files for these are kept and how to > get tem off the taskbar? I am trying to get them off some public PCs. Usually you can right click on them for a menu of some sort, and in the preferences or options menu there will be a checkbox for "always run", or "autostart" or something of that sort. What are the applications you are trying to disable? Perhaps someone on the list can help you with it. For example, to disable RealPlayer's taskbar icon is just what I described above (I think the option is "Close & Disable", which presents you with a warning that it "will not always be available"). I personally disable all that add-on stuff that appears in the taskbar, because I don't like it, and have a sneaking suspicion that my PC runs better because of it (just my humble opinion, no hard data to back that up though :-). John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Thomas Benedetto, User Support Analyst II jbenedet@unm.edu Centennial Science & Engineering Library, (505)277-2598 University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1466 From bcmayes at hunter.cuny.edu Thu Sep 10 12:16:41 1998 From: bcmayes at hunter.cuny.edu (Byron C. Mayes) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Y2K on PC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980910093924.009667b0@ellington.evanston.lib.il.u s> Message-ID: <199809101625.MAA27911@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu> At 07:55 AM 9/10/98 -0700, James Klock wrote: >>>I'd probably check in with your campus IS/IT department to see what they >>>are doing about this issue. >>I began asking those questions of our IS Department nearly three years >>ago and the response was always that there were no Y2K problems and >>everything was fine. In fact, once I was even laughed at for asking the >>question. I personally checked the two computers in my office and one >>was compliant and the other was not. > >Part of the issue here may be that your IS department is (rightly, IMHO) >focusing their efforts on the large or widely-used systems upon which many >people depend from day to day. There is a BIG difference between saying, "There may be a problem but we're focusing mainframe issues and thus haven't devoted any significant time to PC issues, so you may have to look elsewhere for answers," and saying, "There is no problem, ha ha ha, you're stupid for even asking." The first answer shows some respect for the person asking the question by being honest, being to the point, not being insulting, and by advising that some independent footwork may need to be done. The second answer, in addition to being outright disrespectful, is potentially misleading. What type of IS Department would give an answer like that? (One with no concept of a service orientation, IMO). PCs, by and large, don't have any NEED to >care what the date and time is-- if the CMOS battery dies, the PC has no >intrinsic way of keeping track of time. >Most PCs that fail to recognize year 2000 will actually revert on January 1 >2000 to believing that it is Jan 1 1980. There are a very few applications >which you might run on your PC which would respond badly to this, but by >and large, having your PCs report the wrong time is not a major issue. Operative words here are "a very few". People need to get their work done, and if their work revolves around one of those "very few" applications that may break in a year-and-a-third then it IS a major issue. Responsible IS/IT Departments (and Library Systems departments as well, don't think I'm letting us off the hook) should have devoted/be devoting some time to PC issues and Y2K. If there is no problem, we should be able to say just how we know. If a problem can be fixed -- whether with a $500 replacement, a $50 upgrade, or a 5-minute download -- we should be able to say that with some authority. If we don't have the resources to investigate thoroughly, we have to let the people holding the purse strings know that , too. Byron (It'd be nice if they were talking about this on the Systems Librarians list) Prof. Byron C. Mayes Systems Librarian/Assistant Professor, Hunter College of the City University of New York 695 Park Avenue * New York, New York 10021 bcmayes@hunter.cuny.edu * 212-772-4168 * Fax: 212-772-5113 Listowner, BLACK-IP, Black Information Professionals' Network From Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU Thu Sep 10 12:58:02 1998 From: Karen.V.Odato at Dartmouth.EDU (Karen V. Odato) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Conference: Web-Based Reserves Message-ID: <12461926@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Cross posted. Please excuse the duplication. Dartmouth College's Biomedical Libraries and the Continuing Education Section of ACRL/New England invite you to: "Reserve Readings and Other Course Enhancements on the Web: Let the Library Lead!" The date: Thursday Oct 22, 1998 9:30 AM - 3:00 PM The location: Dartmouth College in beautiful Hanover, New Hampshire (an easy 2-hour drive from Boston, Springfield MA, and many other New England locations) The cost: $20 (includes parking fees) The agenda: 9:30-10:00 Registration and coffee 10:00-11:00 "Electronic Delivery of Information: Blurring the Traditions of Copyright" Karen Hersey, Intellectual Property Counsel Massachusetts Institute of Technology 11:00-11:30 "Getting on Course: Developing and Promoting Web-based Course Bibliographies" Laurel Duda, Science Reference Librarian MBL/WHOI Library (Marine Biological Laboratory/Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution) 11:30-12:00 "Electronic Reserves in the Harvard College Library" Lawrence Marcus, Head of Reserves Services / Project Manager for Electronic Reserves Lamont Library, Harvard College 12:00-1:30 LUNCH (on your own) 1:30-2:00 "Course Web Sites: Encouraging Faculty to Use an Integrated, Interactive, Software Package to Post Course Materials on the Web" Betty Eckhaus Cohen, Librarian, Epidemiology and Public Health Yale University 2:00-2:30 "Electronic Reserve: Students are Driving This Electronic Revolution" Joanne O'Keefe, Librarian for Access Services Brandeis University 2:30-3:00 Wrap Up Please register early to avoid disappointment; deadline is October 16. Registration is limited to 60 people. For more information please contact karen.odato@dartmouth.edu. To register, please print and mail the following registration form with a check for $20 (payable to Dartmouth College) to: Karen Odato Matthews-Fuller Health Sciences Library DHMC - 1 Medical Center Dr. Lebanon, NH 03756 Name_________________________________________ Address________________________________________ ________________________________________________ Phone_________________________________________ Email Address______________________________________ ____ Check here if you'll need a parking permit We will confirm your registration by email and send a registration packet (including directions, parking permit, and accommodations information) via US mail. From mfriley at erols.com Thu Sep 10 14:34:04 1998 From: mfriley at erols.com (Margaret F. Dikel) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Y2K on PC In-Reply-To: <35F7DA28.5780@oru.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980910143404.006ca21c@pop.access.digex.net> At 07:06 AM 09/10/1998 -0700, Judith Rigsby wrote: >I began asking those questions of our IS Department nearly three years >ago and the response was always that there were no Y2K problems and >everything was fine. In fact, once I was even laughed at for asking the >question. [...] The question of Y2K compliancy was once again >directed to the IS Director just a few weeks ago and the response again >was that there were no problems to be concerned with. There is little >or no awareness of Y2K on my campus and we in the library have no >confidence that anything will work on January 1, 2000. We have begun >discussing making some contingency plans in the event that all our >networks crash. One system I would start checking for compliance and planning some contingency would be circulation. I can just see the look on the face of a patron issued a bill for a book that's over 100 years overdue. Maybe it will be the head of your IT department... Margaret Margaret Dikel, MSLIS 11218 Ashley Dr. The Riley Guide Rockville, MD 20852 www.dbm.com/jobguide 301-984-4229 mfriley@erols.com 301-984-6390 FAX Margaret_Riley@dbm.com From lk13 at is2.nyu.edu Thu Sep 10 19:50:08 1998 From: lk13 at is2.nyu.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Inconsistent cross-browser behavior: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980908111719.007fd400@aster.si.uqam.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Luc Grondin wrote: > At 08:32 98-09-04 -0700, Gerald M. Furi wrote: > >MSIE consistently and correctly goes to all named anchors. Netscape will > >navigate properly to, say, one or two of such links on a menu of six but > >stalls on others. Code has been validated. Any ideas? > Here's another guess: Could the body of text where you have the anchor be in a table cell? I've noticed that Netscape is consistantly unable to find an anchor in such situations. Yours, LRK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Robert Klein 151 E. 25th St., rm. 524 Web Coordinator & New York, NY.10010 Digital Resources Developer Tel.: (212) 802-2373 William & Anita Newman Library Fax: (212) 802-2360 Baruch College/CUNY Email: leo.klein@nyu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malp at startext.net Thu Sep 10 20:12:09 1998 From: malp at startext.net (MZaruba) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:51 2005 Subject: Internet computer problems Message-ID: <35F86AD9.78C53A55@startext.net> You are all so great to help when I need it & I'm hoping you can once again rescue me. I have a Windows 95 stand-alone Internet PC that got a new modem (Parrot 56K DSVD Modem) within the past week. I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem or not. This computer now has problems connecting to the Internet & I get error messages like: Netscape is unable to connect to your proxy server. The server may be down or may be incorrectly configured. Please verify that your proxy preferences are correct & try again or call the server's administrator. For e-mail: A network error occurred: unable to connect to server (TCP error: Not enough memory) The server may be down or unreachable. Try connecting again later. I know why I am getting the above messages & I can easily fix it, but I want to know why the machine is changing my internet settings. The two that are being changed are: 1. In Netscape Communicator in the Preferences section of the Edit pull-down menu, under Advanced, Proxies, the computer is changing from "Direct connection to the Internet" to "Manual proxy configuration." 2. In the control panel, under Internet (preferences), Connection, it is checking the box that says "Connect through a proxy server." Our ISP does not use a proxy server. No other software has been changed recently. I can be using this computer, hang up & come right back to it & one or both of those settings have changed. I feel like I have lost control of the computer. The tech support office is frustrated & can't understand it. Can a modem do this? Thanks for any assistance you can give. Marilyn Zaruba Mansfield Public Library From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us Mon Sep 14 12:40:19 1998 From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: auto file email Message-ID: <35FD46F3.5D1A31E7@opac.osl.state.or.us> I am looking for a way to automatically email a file to an individual that sends an email to a specific mail box. I realize that I can easily set an automatic vacation message to reply with whatever text I want, but the file would be a rather large one and some email programs couldn't handle that as an auto vacation reply. Does anyone have any ideas as to scripts or utilities that provide this kind of feature? -- Christopher Adams Oregon State Library 503.378.4246 chris@opac.osl.state.or.us From cartee at mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Mon Sep 14 08:16:28 1998 From: cartee at mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Lewis Cartee) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Database Authentication Message-ID: <199809141704.MAA163344@spnode01.tcs.tulane.edu> Much has been said of late regarding the need for off-campus library users to verify their eligibility to use information resources such as licensed databases. I am wondering if any library is requiring users WITHIN the library building to authenticate before access is granted to remote databases. Thanks in advance. Lewis Cartee Tulane University From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Mon Sep 14 13:16:20 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Number/Percentage of Web-Only E-Journals Message-ID: _Number/Percentage of Web-only E-Journals_ For a Think Piece on the application of Intelligent Software Agents for Identifying, Organizing and Managing E-Serials, I am interested in learning about the number of _Web-Only_ E-journals that are currently available. By Web-only e-journals, I mean networked journals that do *not* have a parallel print counterpart. [I am aware of the **excellent** review article by Steve Hitchcock, Les A. Carr and Wendy Hall published in _Serials_ (10(3), (Nov.1997): 285-299 entitled "Web Journals Publishing: A UK Perspective" Also available at URL: http://www.mmrg.ecs.soton.ac.uk/publications/archive/hitchcock1997/ that offers a fine historical review and analysis of Web journal publishing. [It is well-worth The Read!] While I would prefer an overall number/percentage, data on specific fields (e.g., Science, Technology, and/or Medicine (STM)) would also be of interest. Those interested in becoming better acquainted with Intelligent Software Agents may wish to wish my clearinghouse _LibraryAgents(sm)_ that provides links to major Agent resource sites. _LibraryAgents(sm) is available at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Agents.htm As Always, Any and All Contributions, Queries, Questions, Concerns, Critiques, Comments, etc. are most well. Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Alan Kay From SCP_SULLI at sals.edu Mon Sep 14 13:21:10 1998 From: SCP_SULLI at sals.edu (Robert Sullivan) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Upgrading to MSIE 4 Message-ID: <980914132110.48ae7@sals.edu> We've been using Internet Explorer 3.02 for a year now, and I'm experimenting with IE 4.01 (Win NT 4.0/SP3). I have a few questions: * Is there a way to display the entire URL when the cursor is over a link? I have "Friendly URLs" set off as I did in 3.02, but in 3.02 there was more space at the lower left corner to show it. In 4.01, I only get a couple of inches. I found a Registry setting for Show_FullURL, but it doesn't appear to have any effect. * Are there any new security holes in terms of what users can get into when they use IE? I had 3.02 sealed off with NTFS permissions, but 4.01 looks more challenging. * Any general warnings about making the switch from version 3 to 4? Thanks in advance. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org From mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 14 15:27:14 1998 From: mary_bush at email.mesd.k12.or.us (Mary Bush) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: web-based calendar tools Message-ID: Last week, there was a link at the Reference Center to Prentiss Riddle's list of calendar software This week it's gone! Can anyone tell me where or how to find it? I did a cursory search at Rice, to no avail. Mary Bush Mary M. Bush Librarian Multnomah Education Service District 11611 N.E. Ainsworth Circle Portland, OR 97220 mary_bush@email.mesd.k12.or.us 503-257-1577 fax: 503-257-1519 From jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu Mon Sep 14 15:53:28 1998 From: jqj at darkwing.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: auto file email In-Reply-To: <199809141715.KAA06235@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <000e01bde019$57859b60$5d54df80@leaf.uoregon.edu> Christopher Adams asked about techniques for generating automatic email replies. Adams adds: >I realize that I can easily set an automatic >vacation message to reply with whatever text I want, >but the file would be a rather large one and some email >programs couldn't handle that as an auto vacation reply. It wasn't quite clear to me what the problem with a "vacation" message is. Most vacation programs that I'm familiar with can be used to produce quite large messages, including messages with attachments. For example, the Unix "vacation" program can generate an arbitrarily large reply (stored in the .vacation.msg template). The big limitation of Unix vacation is that by itself it can't do much computation: you can't use it to generate different reply messages based on the sender. Automatic file sending is available with most modern email systems. But the details differ widely. For example, most modern MUAs have a facility for generating an automatic reply based on sender. In Eudora Pro you can generate a filter that checks the sender and if it matches replies with a message, that might include an attachment. You can do the same thing with Microsoft Outlook. On the MTA side, many PC MTAs (e.g. Exchange) include substantial filtering capabilities. Bare Unix sendmail does not, but most people running sendmail also run procmail, which provides excellent (though hard to use) filtering and reply tools. A very common setup is a Unix mailbox system with sendmail as MTA and procmail for filtering. Many people who install procmail also install the mh suite, which includes some additional mail composition programs like formail. Another useful set of tools is the Borenstein "metamail" package. In such an environment you might create a procmail rule (normally in a file .procmailrc) such as: :0 c * ^From.*chris@opac.osl.state.or.us * !FROM_DAEMON * !X-Loop: | (formail -r -A"X-Loop: your@own.mail.address" ; \ cat bigfileforchris) | $SENDMAIL -t Given the right tools, you can even generate a reply that includes a non-text attachment, though that requires a bit more knowledge of MIME formats; if you want to generate non-text attachments, you may be better off doing it in your graphical MUA. (can anyone give me a good procmail recipe for an autoreply that generates a MIME multipart, perhaps using formail and metasend?) For more help with procmail, see the "procmailex" Unix man page. JQ Johnson Office: 115F Knight Library Academic Education Coordinator mailto:jqj@darkwing.uoregon.edu 1299 University of Oregon phone: 1-541-346-1746; -3485 fax Eugene, OR 97403-1299 http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jqj/ From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Sep 14 16:07:24 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] web-based calendar tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I updated the Library Web Manager's Reference Center last week (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html) I removed that link because Prentiss is upfront about not keeping that page up-to-date, and in fact requests that people not link to it. Spending a few seconds with the Web4Lib archive search engine turned up the message from Prentiss (in June 1996!) that mentioned the page, which is still at: http://is.rice.edu/~riddle/calsearch.html But since this is now two years old, I would urge you not to rely on it's accuracy at this point. Roy Tennant On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Mary Bush wrote: > Last week, there was a link at the Reference Center to Prentiss Riddle's list of calendar software This week it's gone! > Can anyone tell me where or how to find it? I did a cursory search at Rice, to no avail. > > Mary Bush > > Mary M. Bush > Librarian > Multnomah Education Service District > 11611 N.E. Ainsworth Circle > Portland, OR 97220 > mary_bush@email.mesd.k12.or.us > 503-257-1577 > fax: 503-257-1519 > > From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Mon Sep 14 15:55:29 1998 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Upgrading to MSIE 4 Message-ID: Hi Have a look at the IE administration kit if you haven't already. It is freely available from http://ieak.microsoft.com/ You just have to register to use it and let Microsoft know how many copies of the customised browser you are going to release. The kit allows you to lock down a number of the settings, channel setups etc. Regards Glen > We've been using Internet Explorer 3.02 for a year now, and I'm experimenting > with IE 4.01 (Win NT 4.0/SP3). I have a few questions: > > * Is there a way to display the entire URL when the cursor is over a link? I > have "Friendly URLs" set off as I did in 3.02, but in 3.02 there was more space > at the lower left corner to show it. In 4.01, I only get a couple of inches. > > I found a Registry setting for Show_FullURL, but it doesn't appear to have any > effect. > > * Are there any new security holes in terms of what users can get into when > they use IE? I had 3.02 sealed off with NTFS permissions, but 4.01 looks more > challenging. > > * Any general warnings about making the switch from version 3 to 4? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu > Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org > ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Librarian Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz ************************************************ The more I read, the more questions I have. Everytime I pass a library I get an anxiety attack. O'Neill in "SeaQuest DSV" (1993) ************************************************ From mpeery at cyberserver01.mcl.lib.wa.us Mon Sep 14 17:32:11 1998 From: mpeery at cyberserver01.mcl.lib.wa.us (Matthew A. Peery) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Resetting Internet Browsers Message-ID: <199809142142.OAA20887@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Have any of you had the opportunity to figure out how to "RESET" your Internet browser to the home page after a "time-out" period. I know you can refresh the page after a time period but that is not what I am looking for. What I am looking for, specifically, is a script or small program that monitors use of the browser and after a certain amount of non-use the browser will reset to the homepage designated in the set up. I remember talking with someone that was able to accomplish this with a BASIC script, unfortunately I do not remember this persons name. Any help would be appreciated. Matthew A. Peery Systems Specialist Mid-Columbia Library http://www.mcl.lib.wa.us 405 S. Dayton St. Kennewick, WA. 99336 1-509-586-3156 From goodeld at wou.edu Mon Sep 14 18:28:11 1998 From: goodeld at wou.edu (Dale E. Goodell) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: (Fwd) W3Launch with Windows 95 Message-ID: I'm having difficulty getting W3Launch to work properly in Communicator 4.05 running under Windows 95B. I'm trying to get it to launch Anzio Lite (v11.4) telnet to connect to remote library catalogs. If I click on a link to a remote site from our home page, W3Launch attempts to launch, but brings up a configuration screen prompting me for the information contained in the sample W3Launch files I've included below. This screen allows me to manually open the W3Launch .W3L file. Once I have opened the file, W3Launch will launch Anzio and connect to the remote site. My setup and configuration details follow. W3Launch.exe, 81KB, 7/5/94 -- is there a later version? CCRLS.W3L file: (I want to connect to the CCRLS library catalog) [software] Title=CCRLS Group=anzio System=MS-DOS Originator= MajorVersion=0 MinorVersion=0 RejectOlder=No RejectNewer=No Anzio Group File (ANZIO.LST): [software] count=1 Title1=CCRLS Originator1= MajorVersion1=-1 MinorVersion1=-1 Command1=c:\anzio\anzio32r.exe %1 ccrls.def Path1=c:\anzio Communicator setup: Edit --> Preferences --> Applications: W3L file Extension: w3l MIME type: application/x-w3launch Handled by: w3launch Applicaion: c:\w3launch\w3launch.exe I had no problems getting this setup to work under Navigator 3.0x and Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I'm simply trying to migrate these things over to Windows 95. I'm convinced that my problem lies with W3Launch rather than Anzio. How have others on this list solved this problem? Thank you very much, in advance, for your help. ================================================================== Dale E. Goodell User Support Analyst Western Oregon University Library Monmouth, OR 97361 Internet: goodeld@fsa.wou.edu Voice: 503/838-8891 Fax: 503/838-8399 From kschweyer at gph.com Mon Sep 14 18:51:07 1998 From: kschweyer at gph.com (Kathlyn J Schweyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Image Software Tally Message-ID: <00088EA2.C21208@gph.com> Thanks to all who replied to my query about the best image software packages. I just reviewed the Web4Lib archive on the Interenet (I should have done this first - sorry) and realized that the answers given back in April of this year to a similar question are much the same as the responses I received. The image software tally: 6 Paint Shop Pro 5 1 Spry Image View 2 Adobe Photoshop 1 Freehand 1 Adobe Image Ready 1 Photo Impact 4.0 Summary of Paint Shop Pro Reviews : Does almost everything that Adobe Photoshop can do but at the fraction of the cost. Does everthing you need for Web graphics. Screen capture feature is very useful. Includes a gif animation program. Very good deal for the price. Has the best support. Thanks again! Kitty Schweyer kscwheyer@gph.com Boston, MA From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Mon Sep 14 18:43:52 1998 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Resetting Internet Browsers Message-ID: Hi I have just worked something out on Win95 machines using System Agent (comes with MS Plus) and batsh http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win3/util/batsh220.zip/ System agent lets you run any application after the system has been inactive for so many minutes and batsh is a freeware windows scripting package that can be used to shut down and open windows, among other things. I have set system agent to run a batsh file if the system is inactive for more than 15 minutes. The batsh file closes down all netscape windows (uses a loop and errorlevel check to make sure all netscape windows are closed). It then calls a batch file that copies a prefs.bck file to prefs.js to remove history settings etc. and then restarts Netscape. (i had to use a batch file to do this as batsh does not like long file/directory names.Moving netscape files to apps instead of program files would be another option.) I have only been testing it for a couple of days so I can't say if there are any memory leaks etc. Batsh also includes a restart option so system agent could be set to run a restart once or twice a day when the system is inactive. Here is the batsh file. I had to insert some pauses to get the loopback to close extra windows to work ************************************* wait off icon exclamation label Library Timeout Function - Please Wait :again quit Netscape wait 2 if errorlevel 2 goto runscape goto again :runscape rem run batch file to refresh netscape settings run ICON rescape.bat rem run batch file to launch netscape run icon runscape.bat exit *************************************************** Hope this helps Regards Glen > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: mpeery@cyberserver01.mcl.lib.wa.us > From: "Matthew A. Peery" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Resetting Internet Browsers > Have any of you had the opportunity to figure out how to "RESET" your > Internet > browser to the home page after a "time-out" period. > I know you can refresh the page after a time period but that is not what I > am looking for. > What I am looking for, specifically, is a script or small program that > monitors > use of the browser and after a certain amount of non-use the browser will > reset to the homepage designated in the set up. > I remember talking with someone that was able to accomplish this with a > BASIC script, unfortunately I do not remember this persons name. > Any help would be appreciated. > > Matthew A. Peery > Systems Specialist > Mid-Columbia Library http://www.mcl.lib.wa.us > 405 S. Dayton St. > Kennewick, WA. 99336 > 1-509-586-3156 > > > ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Librarian Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz ************************************************ The more I read, the more questions I have. Everytime I pass a library I get an anxiety attack. O'Neill in "SeaQuest DSV" (1993) ************************************************ From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Mon Sep 14 19:48:30 1998 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: Job Opening - Oregon Message-ID: <35FDAB4E.E9A423BB@opac.osl.state.or.us> The State Library announces the following position here in Salem. Please note early closing date of 9/30/98: ELECTRONIC SERVICES LIBRARIAN, Oregon State Library needs a library professional to take the lead in developing an advanced and innovative electronic information services product line, and in aggressively marketing these products to state agency customers. ALA-accredited MLS required, or completion within two years. Must have three years of professional library experience, including minimum one year of Website or other electronic product development. Competitive salary, to be determined based on applicant qualifications. Request application package from Ferol Weyand, Oregon State Library, State Library Building, Salem, Oregon 97310, (503) 378-4243, email . Application deadline is September 30, 1998. The Oregon State Library is an equal opportunity, affirmative action employer committed to workforce diversity. Thank you, Ernest Perez From transit at primenet.com Mon Sep 14 22:41:10 1998 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:52 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] (Fwd) W3Launch with Windows 95 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Dale E. Goodell wrote: > I'm having difficulty getting W3Launch to work properly in > Communicator 4.05 running under Windows 95B. I'm trying to get it to > launch Anzio Lite (v11.4) telnet to connect to remote library > catalogs. I ran into this problem too . . . > > Communicator setup: > > Edit --> Preferences --> Applications: > W3L file > Extension: w3l > MIME type: application/x-w3launch > Handled by: w3launch > Applicaion: c:\w3launch\w3launch.exe > Try putting a %1 in the "Application" line--it should look like: c:\w3launch\w3launch.exe %1 I can double check tomorrow, if you like. . . From BPasicznyuk at mail.ppld.org Tue Sep 15 11:46:07 1998 From: BPasicznyuk at mail.ppld.org (Pasicznyuk, Bob) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: Submit Buttons vs. the Enter Key Message-ID: If you have several buttons on an HTML form (Submit, reset, ect.) and want the Enter key to apply to any given button (example: submit), how do you make the Enter key apply to that button? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Bob Pasicznyuk, Systems Analyst Pikes Peak Library District Mail: bpasiczn@ppld.org Web: http://www.du.edu/~rpasiczn ***"I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Sep 15 12:26:21 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Submit Buttons vs. the Enter Key In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201bde0c5$931b9740$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> By using a browser that does that. It isn't controllable in HTML. has a more thorough explanation, but the gist is that browsers control how the enter key behaves in a form, and that behavior varies among different browsers. People who want to keep their hands on the keyboard are advised to make friends with Mr. Tab Key. describes the HTML 4.0 accesskey attribute, which ought to be of some assistance. However, to my knowledge, only IE4+ support it at all. Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Pasicznyuk, Bob > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 12:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Submit Buttons vs. the Enter Key > > > If you have several buttons on an HTML form (Submit, reset, ect.) and > want the Enter key to apply to any given button (example: submit), how > do you make the Enter key apply to that button? > > Thanks. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Bob Pasicznyuk, Systems Analyst > Pikes Peak Library District > Mail: bpasiczn@ppld.org > Web: http://www.du.edu/~rpasiczn > ***"I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William > Blake > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- > > From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Sep 15 13:57:09 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: Workstation Security site Message-ID: Monica King (ou_lib1@alpha.nlu.edu) brought to my attention her excellent site on workstation security, which I promptly added to the Library Web Manager's Reference Center at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html under "Guides and Tutorials". If you want to go directly there, it is available at: http://www.leeric.lsu.edu/lla/1998_conference/workstation/ Thanks, Monica, for the great site! Roy Tennant From sacampora at cnr.edu Tue Sep 15 15:03:00 1998 From: sacampora at cnr.edu (Susan Acampora) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: Workstation Security Site Message-ID: <35FEB9E4.46CC@cnr.edu> Thank you Roy for making the Workstation Security Site available and for notifying us about it. And, thank you to Monica King for a great resource. It really helped us in many ways and I will be sure to share it with many others. From LABARBER at LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA Tue Sep 15 15:52:08 1998 From: LABARBER at LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA (LABARBER@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Launching Program Resident on PC from the WEB Message-ID: <01J1U9UKNLG2000J0J@LIB.LAKEHEADU.CA> Apologies for the elementary nature of this request but we are just at the very beginning of our first crack at a preliminary organization of web access from our public workstations. We are setting up 3 local PC's to provide dedicated access to a variety of tools on the Web. We are protecting the PC and its setup from any manner of requests other than those outlined on its home page. Is it possible to launch another piece of software, resident on that PC, from that home page? How is that best done? and: What are the security implications for this kind of activity? Please reply to me privately unless you think this topic is worth of general discussion. Lynn Mr. Lynn Barber Catalogue Librarian - Web Librarian Lakehead University Library Thunder Bay, Ont. P7B 5E1 tel: 807:343-8251 fax: 807:343-8007 From tedelblu at usiu.edu Tue Sep 15 16:42:06 1998 From: tedelblu at usiu.edu (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: kiosk commands Message-ID: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3C7E@misnt1.usiu.edu> We just setup our Netscape in Kiosk mode this weekend, but are having a lot of problems with it. Is there any combination of keys that allows us to go back to the home page without doing the Alt-Left arrow a-million times. Also, we need a way of printing. If these are not valid options in kiosk mode, we need a way of disabling buttons that will allow us to keep the address bar hidden. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thomas Edelblute From acg at inetnebr.com Tue Sep 15 21:20:22 1998 From: acg at inetnebr.com (Ms. Alicia Graybill) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: Survey Assistance Message-ID: Hello: I'm a graduate student at the University of Arizona. In order to get my MLS this December, I am doing an Independent Study involving library web sites as marketing devices. What I need is several volunteers who will be willing to spend about 10-15 minutes per web site evaluating 10 web sites. I have a questionnaire to be filled out for each site. If you are willing to volunteer for this study, please email me at publib_marketing@juno.com. I am looking for all levels of library staff to participate and will send all participants a copy of the final report. If you know of others who might like to participate but who do not read Web4Lib, please forward this message to them. Thanks and I hope to hear from you! Responses by September 21st would be most appreciated. Alicia C. Graybill acg@inetnebr.com acgraybi@u.arizona.edu http://chs.inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/acg/humane.html http://u.arizona.edu/~acgraybi/ *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* |Q:Why do mountain climbers rope themselves together? | |A:So the sensible ones don't go home. | *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* From tedelblu at usiu.edu Tue Sep 15 21:25:22 1998 From: tedelblu at usiu.edu (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:53 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Database Authentication Message-ID: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3C83@misnt1.usiu.edu> Earlier today, the head of Academic Technology was asking the library to make this change because they want some statistics on USIU students vs. non-students using the library databases. -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Cartee [mailto:cartee@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu] Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Database Authentication Much has been said of late regarding the need for off-campus library users to verify their eligibility to use information resources such as licensed databases. I am wondering if any library is requiring users WITHIN the library building to authenticate before access is granted to remote databases. Thanks in advance. Lewis Cartee Tulane University From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Sep 16 07:49:04 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] kiosk commands In-Reply-To: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3C7E@misnt1.usiu.edu> Message-ID: Thomas, Please take a look at my help page that describes how to create a modifiable "kiosk" window in Navigator 4.0. This mode allows you to select which bars you want to show, for example, to show the tool bar -- with home and print buttons -- but not the location bar. There is also a link to a working example that shows how this can be modified even further to meet your exact needs. Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > We just setup our Netscape in Kiosk mode this weekend, but are having a > lot of problems with it. Is there any combination of keys that allows > us to go back to the home page without doing the Alt-Left arrow > a-million times. Also, we need a way of printing. > > If these are not valid options in kiosk mode, we need a way of disabling > buttons that will allow us to keep the address bar hidden. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Thomas Edelblute > From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Wed Sep 16 08:24:58 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:54 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: kiosk commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK.... Can you blame me at this hour in the morning??? The help page is at: http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/kiosk.htm Also, you can link to it from the Web4Lib Reference Center at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html (Roy -- How's that for free advertising?!) Andrew Mutch -- and still sleepy! Northville District Library Northville, MI On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Andrew J. Mutch wrote: > Thomas, > > Please take a look at my help page that describes how to create a > modifiable "kiosk" window in Navigator 4.0. This mode allows you to > select which bars you want to show, for example, to show the tool bar -- > with home and print buttons -- but not the location bar. There is also a > link to a working example that shows how this can be modified even > further to meet your exact needs. > > Andrew Mutch > Northville District Library > Northville, MI > > > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Thomas Edelblute wrote: > > > We just setup our Netscape in Kiosk mode this weekend, but are having a > > lot of problems with it. Is there any combination of keys that allows > > us to go back to the home page without doing the Alt-Left arrow > > a-million times. Also, we need a way of printing. > > > > If these are not valid options in kiosk mode, we need a way of disabling > > buttons that will allow us to keep the address bar hidden. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Thomas Edelblute > > > From T9O27I1KA at aol.com Wed Sep 16 10:24:41 1998 From: T9O27I1KA at aol.com (T9O27I1KA@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: RATIO OF USERS TO WORKSTATION Message-ID: <244098cd.35ffca29@aol.com> Hi, I work in a medical library that is seeking to relocate to another place within the Hospital. As part of the moving plan I am looking for better and efficient ways to organize the computer workstation for our patrons. Now, the question is: Are there any standards or guide for the ratio of patrons to terminals. This information will help me greatly. Thanks for the help. Emmanuel Nkansah, MLS ENkansah@brookdale.edu From helfman at huc.edu Wed Sep 16 10:56:13 1998 From: helfman at huc.edu (A. Helfman) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Sep 16 11:07:43 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. If not, they should be. My 2/100ths of a dollar. -- Bill Drew DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU -- From helfman at huc.edu Wed Sep 16 11:15:59 1998 From: helfman at huc.edu (A. Helfman) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916111559.007a7bb0@server.huc.edu> At 11:07 AM 9/16/1998 -0400, Wilfred Drew wrote: >I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. >If not, they should be. >My 2/100ths of a dollar. You're right, but I know that this particular audience will be made up of non-webmaster librarians, many of whom are just beginning to learn about the Internet/WWW themselves. Thank you for giving me a chance to clarify my question. Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman From cgreenhalgh at antiochne.edu Wed Sep 16 11:28:48 1998 From: cgreenhalgh at antiochne.edu (Charlotte G. Greenhalgh) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? Message-ID: I would distinguish between content and form. In otherwords, librarians probably have a better sense of what needs to be on a website, but the webmaster knows how to present it and what is possible. If the webmaster is a librarian, that's the best of both worlds. Many thanks, Charlotte Charlotte Greenhalgh Systems Librarian Antioch New England Graduate School Library 40 Avon Street Keene, NH 03431 603 367 3122 x330 cgreenhalgh@antiochne.edu "In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and in exhaustible." -Budda, from the Dhammapada. From jbfink at ogre.lib.muohio.edu Wed Sep 16 11:14:36 1998 From: jbfink at ogre.lib.muohio.edu (Shaken Angel) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. > If not, they should be. > My 2/100ths of a dollar. They certainly are here at Miami U, although the actual Library Systems department (including me) are not -- we handle the actual machines and the software, but do very little/none of the interface design. I think it's important that the people who are designing and implementing the actual interface to a library's web site be librarians, but as for us fix-it grunts, it's probably immaterial. Maybe the talk should be more along the lines of how to teach librarians to talk to folks like me. :) -- john f. From nwildin at spl.lib.wa.us Wed Sep 16 11:32:46 1998 From: nwildin at spl.lib.wa.us (Nancy Wildin) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: I wouldn't say the ball is entirely in the librarian's court to improve the communication. Librarians and technical folks each have their own forms of jargon and should understand that others may not be familiar with job-specific types of verbal shorthand. What it really boils down to is offering respect for the complexities of other people's jobs. Many webmasters are also librarians and have an ear tuned in both directions, plus antenna pointed towards the needs of organizational PIO's. Nancy Wildin Seattle Public Library Web Office On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, A. Helfman wrote: > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in > November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve > communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first > piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical > jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that > will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? > > > > Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY > helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman > From cayz at lib.de.us Wed Sep 16 11:48:43 1998 From: cayz at lib.de.us (James Cayz) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] kiosk commands In-Reply-To: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3C7E@misnt1.usiu.edu> Message-ID: Thomas, Please be aware that "kiosk" mode doesn't exist in Navigator versions 4.04 and above. It is now "kanvas" mode. What that means is that you can press Control-N to get a new window (with controls) and Control-O to open any page or local file. (I don't have the reference handy, but a page somewhere on the Netscape site details this little-known change). Option -sk is the same as -k. I discovered this little jem 2 MONTHS into my GUI projects.... As for disabling keys without making a mess - well, that's what I am up to doing with (at this point) 2 layers of security programs. Needless to say, I still have problems. What I wouldn't give to have a version of Netscape with an INTERFACE of 3.01 (command line options, etc) with the FUNCTIONALITY of 4.05 (fixed java, etc.)!!!! James Cayz +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ [ James Cayz # cayz@lib.de.us # DelAWARE homepage: http://www.lib.de.us ] [ Network Processing Administrator # 302-739-4748 x130 # Fax 302-739-6948 ] [ Delaware Division of Libraries # 43 S. DuPont Hwy / Dover, DE 19901-7430 ] +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Thomas Edelblute wrote: >We just setup our Netscape in Kiosk mode this weekend, but are having a >lot of problems with it. Is there any combination of keys that allows >us to go back to the home page without doing the Alt-Left arrow >a-million times. Also, we need a way of printing. > >If these are not valid options in kiosk mode, we need a way of disabling >buttons that will allow us to keep the address bar hidden. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Thomas Edelblute From arkopczy at iupui.edu Wed Sep 16 11:55:14 1998 From: arkopczy at iupui.edu (Kopczynski, Allison R) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? Message-ID: <9D916278299FD111A7E100805FA7C2BA02F10747@cheetah.uits.iupui.edu> I agree. Prepare the audience for your address about communication by defining the roles of a librarian and a webmaster, including the differences and similarities. However, a Webmaster can be defined as something different than a Web designer, whose primary role is usually focusing on design rather than content (although it's my position that the two-content & design-must go hand in hand in order to have a successful site). --Allison Kopczynski, Digital Projects Editor IUPUI University Libraries Digital Libraries Team Indianapolis, IN -----Original Message----- From: cgreenhalgh@antiochne.edu [mailto:cgreenhalgh@antiochne.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? I would distinguish between content and form. In otherwords, librarians probably have a better sense of what needs to be on a website, but the webmaster knows how to present it and what is possible. If the webmaster is a librarian, that's the best of both worlds. Many thanks, Charlotte Charlotte Greenhalgh Systems Librarian Antioch New England Graduate School Library 40 Avon Street Keene, NH 03431 603 367 3122 x330 cgreenhalgh@antiochne.edu "In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and in exhaustible." -Budda, from the Dhammapada. From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Sep 16 11:58:05 1998 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <199809161600.MAA38100@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Perhaps it has something to do w/the fact that this is a technical school, but the libraries' webmaster here at Rensselear is a librarian, and the coordinator for web development serving the rest of the campus is also a librarian. ...for what it's worth - in US$ or any other currency. But this doesn't answer the original question. Learning the lingo would be a good start - encouraging extensive [?] use of the Web would be useful as well for those who have only been very casual users. [Is this the converse of encouraging students who - so the stereotype goes - would rather find everything online to actually use the library?] Not sure this helps. -kb At 08:30 AM 9/16/98 -0700, Wilfred Drew wrote: >I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. >If not, they should be. >My 2/100ths of a dollar. > >-- >Bill Drew >DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU >-- > _______________________________________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop bishopk@rpi.edu Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute http://www.rpi.edu/ 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 ______________________________________________________________________ From Diane.Schug at tma.osd.mil Wed Sep 16 12:04:22 1998 From: Diane.Schug at tma.osd.mil (Schug, Diane, CON, OASD(HA)/TMA) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? Message-ID: > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > > > I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also > librarians. > > If not, they should be. > > My 2/100ths of a dollar. I agree with this statement 100%. As for John's comment: > Maybe the talk should be more along the lines of how to teach librarians > to talk to folks like me. :) > > -- john f. I found that just plain old 'talking' is the best way for librarians to learn how to communicate with the techies. Being polite and asking intelligent questions demonstrate that you care about what they do. Also, finding out how to gather the right information to speed up their time in the library shows an understanding that their time is valuable too. Diane Schug-O'Neill, MSLS Work Phone: (703) 575-0272 Work Fax: (703) 575-0316 W) diane.schug@tma.osd.mil H) dtschug@juno.com From ras at anzio.com Wed Sep 16 11:07:48 1998 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: Topic ideas that come to mind, centered on the general idea that what motivates "techies" is different from what motivates librarians, and written by an avowed techie who has also worked in the real world: * What's "cool" vs. what's useful * "Feeling the pain" of downtime - while a techie may have a penchant for experimentation, s/he needs to understand the costs of experiments that fail * Metrics - what quantifiable measurements can be identified for the services the tech is or should be delivering? * Who works for whom? And who is the final "customer" - the board, the administrator, the patron? Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From emeryg at gryphon.canisius.edu Wed Sep 16 12:32:05 1998 From: emeryg at gryphon.canisius.edu (George Emery) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: <2F48CF0411D@gryphon.canisius.edu> I would suggest that librarians take an active role in the web committee. I am a librarian and I chair the CWIS (Campus Wide Information System) committee which includes several librarians, tech people, faculty, administrators from student activities, publications, public relations, admissions, etc. and the web specialist. The librarian perspective of information content and use is important to balance the many marketing and design issues involved in web development. It is also a good place to learn more about the web and foster good relationships with valuable tech people and the institution beyond the library. George > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in > November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve > communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first > piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical > jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that > will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? > > > > Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY > helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman > ================================================================= George Emery Library Systems Coordinator - Canisius College 2001 Main Street Buffalo NY 14208 - 716.888.2927 - fax: 716.888.2887 emeryg@canisius.edu - http://www.canisius.edu/~emeryg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Buffalo Free-Net Information Development Committee, Chair Board of Directors, Member aa094@freenet.buffalo.edu - http://freenet.buffalo.edu From tzimoski at sjvls.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 16 12:30:47 1998 From: tzimoski at sjvls.lib.ca.us (Tom Zimoski) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: "Cannot read from drive A" Message-ID: I have seen this message appear in a few different contexts where my reaction has been, "So who asked you to read from Drive A" Yesterday I clicked on a link in Netscape, got the "Cannot read from Drive A" message, and a prompt to Retry or Cancel. I chose Cancel and was dropped to DOS. At other times someone has tried to print something and the "Cannot read..." message has appeared. We do allow people to download files from the Internet onto floppies and I'm sure this has happened not too long before the instances I relate. Somehow the PC seems to "think" that drive A is current. My question: Is there something we can do to prevent this from happening? The computers in question are running Windows for Workgroups and Netscape Gold 3.04. Thanks for your attention. Tom Zimoski Phone: 209-488-2976 Reference Dept. Fax: 209-488-6735 Fresno County Library Email: tzimoski@sjvls.lib.ca.us 2420 Mariposa St. Fresno, CA 93721 USA From Rich.Harrington at co.hennepin.mn.us Wed Sep 16 12:37:32 1998 From: Rich.Harrington at co.hennepin.mn.us (Rich.Harrington@co.hennepin.mn.us) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: IE 4.0 Printing Message-ID: <86256681.005983B1.00@HenNote1.co.hennepin.mn.us> Hello Group, Microsoft's Internet Explorer 4.0 can print a frame-based Web page "as laid out on the screen." However, it does not do this as the default setting when you push the Print button on the toolbar. (It seems that it will print the active frame if one is selected; otherwise, it prints each frame individually) Does anyone know how to change that? I'm going to start poking around in the Registry, but if anyone has already done that and is willing to share, I'd be most grateful. And, I'll let you all know if I find anything. (We are implementing a new Web-based catalog -- Innovative's Webpac -- and it presents results in frames. We charge for printing, so we don't want patrons to have to do anything beyond pushing the Print button to get a printout, and they shouldn't have to pay for 3 pages when 3 frames will fit on one page) Thanks, Rich Harrington Hennepin County Law Library Minneapolis, MN rich.harrington@co.hennepin.mn.us From ras at anzio.com Wed Sep 16 11:37:47 1998 From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: Webmasters s/b librarians (was Communication between Librarian & Webmaster?) In-Reply-To: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. > If not, they should be. This brings up a pet idea of mine, which I venture to espouse here when I probably should keep my virtual mouth shut. The Big Question: If there is a shortage of people with both librarian training and solid knowledge and experience in management of computer systems, networks, Internet hardware, and web site design, should the library: a) move a librarian into the position, with MAYBE some training? or b) hire a guru from outside the realm of libraries? I have seen much of "a)", and little of "b)". My contention is that this is not necessarily the best approach. Of course, I don't mean to impugn the abilities of many fine technical librarians I've known (and of which this list no doubt has an unrepresentative sample). I also understand that libraries generally operate under budget constraints that make hiring outside gurus impractical. But young gurus can be cheap. Points to consider: * Does a webmaster or network administrator require the same sorts of mental skills, approaches, proclivities as a librarian? * Is it reasonable to expect that everyone in the organization who has an MLS should make more many than ANYONE without one? * By extension, would you train a librarian to do the following tasks, if needed: a) graphic design? b) public relations? c) accounting? d) electrical wiring? Again, I do not intend to get personal with this. I have noticed that other kinds of organizations (health care, social services, academia) have similar approaches. But I think it's suitable grounds for discussion, and things were getting boring. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 16 13:03:06 1998 From: theyer at palos-verdes.lib.ca.us (Hillary Theyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <000c01bde183$c0f21d60$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980916100306.006a5c3c@muse.palos-verdes.lib.ca.us> As a Librarian/Webmaster I would suggest the following to educate more librarians about what a webmaster does: Draw the similarity between creating web pages in HTML and cataloging a book in MARC. Anyone who understands the idea behind MARC tags can follow HTML tags with no problem. Be sure not to get wrapped up in how a web page looks. Librarians are almost universally best at writing the content of a web page, organizing it, making it useful and easy to navigate. Any college student can make it look fancy. Librarians should play to their strenghts and leave fancy design to someone else. Explore the possibilities of the hypertext elements of a web resource. When I teach other librarians how to write in HTML I always use the Kelley Blue Book and Grangers Index to Poetry as examples. Think about how these resources could be improved with the ability to leap from index to the appropriate pages. Kelley Blue Book is actually on the Internet, so after we have discussed it we go look at how the content is the same, but the navigation is much improved by hypertext. As professional searchers, librarians can follow this right away, and get excited about the ability to improve an already reliable resource. That's all I can think of. Hillary Theyer Palos Verdes Library District At 08:28 AM 9/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. >If not, they should be. >My 2/100ths of a dollar. > >-- >Bill Drew >DREWWE@MORRISVILLE.EDU >-- > > > From brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Wed Sep 16 13:32:21 1998 From: brianw at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Brian Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: I would try to provide a management structure that removed the "webmaster", that is technical support, from decisions about content and organization. I would have someone in management with responsibility for allocation of resources and general library oversight be the Site "manager" and let the site manager and the site technical support person work as a team to make final decisions about the site. Library staff input should be routed the "normal" way to the manager. Content, per se, can come from different groups in the library and just needs to be coordinated by the site manager. 'course I don't anyplace that actually does this ! On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, A. Helfman wrote: > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in > November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve > communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first > piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical > jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that > will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? > > > > Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY > helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman > Brian Williams Automation Administrator Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From snackeru at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 16 13:37:38 1998 From: snackeru at tc.umn.edu (Shane Nackerud) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: Webmaster stats Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916123738.0084b690@snackeru.email.umn.edu> On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. > If not, they should be. I'd like to chime in on this previous discussion of exactly how many library webmasters have the MLS. A colleague and I recently conducted a survey of ARL library webmasters and I think some of the preliminary statistics we have gathered could prove of use. 88 ARL libraries responded. Of those 88, 70% of the webmasters had an MLS. Of the webmasters with the MLS, only 30% knew another language besides HTML (and most of the time this was javascript). Of the webmasters without the MLS, they almost always knew another programming language, especially Perl. Of course, there is much more data than this. We hope to turn the data into some sort of article in the near future. Shane ******************************************************* Shane Nackerud Web Services Coordinator University of Minnesota Libraries 108 Walter Library 117 Pleasant Street S.E. Minneapolis, MN 55455-0291 (612) 625-7880 From afktm at UAA.ALASKA.EDU Wed Sep 16 13:44:22 1998 From: afktm at UAA.ALASKA.EDU (Kathy Murray) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? References: Message-ID: <35FFF8F6.77A8FD74@uaa.alaska.edu> I agree with Nancy. Another suggestion would be to read/scan computer journals. That way the librarian can begin to pick up the jargon, see what's new and maybe think about what changes are coming down the road. It's been my experience that once a librarian knows enough of the techy jargon, they become the interpreter for many others in their organization. We (librarians) are often more able/willing to figure out what the question really is and then run "interference". Just my $0.2! Kathy Murray afktm@uaa.alaska.edu Nancy Wildin wrote: > > I wouldn't say the ball is entirely in the librarian's court to improve > the communication. Librarians and technical folks each have their own > forms of jargon and should understand that others may not be familiar with > job-specific types of verbal shorthand. What it really boils down to is > offering respect for the complexities of other people's jobs. > > Many webmasters are also librarians and have an ear tuned in both > directions, plus antenna pointed towards the needs of organizational > PIO's. > > Nancy Wildin > Seattle Public Library Web Office > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, A. Helfman wrote: > > > > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in > > November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve > > communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first > > piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical > > jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that > > will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? > > > > > > > > Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY > > helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman > > From tozerk at tahoma.cwu.edu Wed Sep 16 13:51:26 1998 From: tozerk at tahoma.cwu.edu (Kirsten Tozer) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Webmasters s/b librarians (was Communication between Librarian & In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your points about hiring a librarian with technical background or a techie with no library background are well taken. At our library, we have a systems department head who falls into the first category and a support person of the second (who by the way makes more than me and my MLS, but that's another story). I realize that our situation has two bodies, but given a fairly extensive LAN (around 100 staff and public machines), it's justified. Kirsten Tozer Washington State Documents Technician Central Washington University Library Ellensburg, WA 98926 509/963-1023 tozerk@tahoma.cwu.edu Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. - Albert Einstein From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Wed Sep 16 13:09:15 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916105613.007a7950@server.huc.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980916130915.2cef33b6@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 08:10 AM 9/16/98 -0700, you wrote: > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in >November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve >communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first >piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical >jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that >will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? >. . . Web development, as has been made clear in this discussion, is a multifaceted task requiring a variety of skills - Content knowledge - How to make it accurate Objective planner - How to make it appropriate to the site and audience Graphic design skills - How to make it attractive Interface design skills - How to make it efficient and effective Technical skills - How to make it work ODA - Other duties as assigned :) If you find --one-- person with all of these abilities -- and the time to exercise them -- you are truly blessed. In many cases, though, asking a librarian to do --all-- of this -and- interact with faculty -and- spend 20 hours a week at the Reference Desk - well - you see the problem. I suggest that web development is at its best a team approach. As with any team someone has to be 'captain' or in this case Webmaster - whether that is the Librarian as content expert - or the tech guru is up to the politics of the institution. In any event, to answer your question. I would suggest the -first- step is to define terms\roles within this team. This is - who is responsible for what - and how does the loop flow - It is almost always easier for people to communicate and cooperate if they are clear on the framework. Most of the miscommunication and misunderstanding I have seen has been not so much over 'lingo' (we can usually figure out what jargon means) but over role\task confusion. Two people working on the same element of the same project for instance - without eachother's knowledge - each assuming it is 'their' responsibility - and both getting blindsided - when they are ready to present the results of their efforts. Just a thought from a non-MLS\semi-guru Opinions are strictly my own -- and all other standard disclaimers. Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From msauers at bcr.org Wed Sep 16 14:24:29 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] IE 4.0 Printing In-Reply-To: <86256681.005983B1.00@HenNote1.co.hennepin.mn.us> Message-ID: > (We are implementing a new Web-based catalog -- Innovative's Webpac -- > and it presents results in frames. We charge for printing, so we don't > want patrons to have to do anything beyond pushing the Print button to get > a printout, and they shouldn't have to pay for 3 pages when 3 frames will > fit on one page) There is one potential problem with this. When you pick "as laid out on screen" only the first page will be printed. Therefore, if what the user wants to print is two pages long they won't get the whole document. Michael Sauers msauers@bcr.org Internet Trainer (personal) www.webpan.com/msauers/ Bibliographic Center for Research (BCR) (business) www.bcr.org/~msauers/ All opinions expressed are just my own unless otherwise noted. From jevans at pennhort.org Wed Sep 16 14:34:48 1998 From: jevans at pennhort.org (Janet Evans) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Communication between Librarian & Webmaster Message-ID: <360004C8.3710@pennhort.org> Hi, everybody, I am a librarian who has recently joined this list and I am impressed by the number of librarians who are also doing double duty as webmasters or developers -- but I have to tell you that it doesn't always work out that way, especially in small libraries like ours. Our website (http://www.libertynet.org/phs/phslibrary.html) was a collaborative work between library staff and a web developer. (http://www.mcha.com/) We found that the best collaboration was: -- the librarian is the project manager. Your job is to push the project along; you set the standards for what's acceptable and what isn't -- the librarian needs to be very clear about what she or he wants. -- the webmaster or developer needs to have the skills to put your vision in place. -- there should be alot of back and forth on creating the site -- lot's of discussion, lots of input -- you need to test and retest the website, and to show it to people who haven't been involved in its creation. -- and yes, you need to learn "the lingo" and how web pages come together and how they are described (catalogers can really make a contribution in this area) and also how they are retrieved. You also need to be completely comfortable in a web environment, (i.e., searching for information, exercising critical content analysis, etc. etc.) Web developers have a great deal of expertise on a micro level -- but it's the librarians who truly "get it" in terms of understanding how web content fits into the big information picture. A. Helfman wrote: > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in -- Janet Evans Librarian Pennsylvania Horticultural Society 100 N. 20th Street Philadelphia, PA 19103-1495 U.S.A. PH: 215-988-8779; FX: 215-988-8783 E-MAIL: jevans@pennhort.org Visit the McLean Library of PHS at http://www.libertynet.org/phs/phslibrary.html From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Sep 16 14:43:25 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To follow up a bit on Brian's identification of different roles, we have compartmentalized the following roles: * Overall site management: server policies, procedures, content management, etc. * Technical support: server software configuration, installation, troubleshooting, etc. * Administrative support: moving files around, helping "data owners" put their files up, etc. * Data Owners: those with the "stuff" that needs to go online and who also have the responsibility to mark it up or see that it is done Each role is performed by (at least one) separate person. The only librarian involved (except for the data owners) is the Web Manager, who performs the overall site management role. But what we have found is that this individual must also have a fairly thorough technical knowledge as well. This is because the person performing the technical support is not going to go out looking for work. Therefore, they do not volunteer information about unused server capabilities or the like. That means it is up to the librarian Web Manager to know all the possibilities (including knowing when the server must be reconfigured by the technical support person) so they know whe to hold the tech support person's feet to the fire. I teach a lot of HTML workshops, and if I hear anything repeated time and again it is the lament that they can't get what they want out of whomever is managing their Web server. Most often this is an overworked technical support person who finds it much easier just to say no than to even look into how difficult it would be to fulfill the request. I doubt that a public service librarian would have the same knee-jerk response. But unfortunately what they are left with having to do is learning enough about what is possible so that they can go back to this person and say "Hey, this is trivial -- go into the srm.conf file, change this parameter for me and restart the server". So...bottom line: if you have overall content responsibility for a Web server, crack a book. Study the capabilities of your Web server software so you know when to tell your tech support person that they're wrong -- it isn't difficult and it *is* necessary. If it's going to help your users, don't take no for an answer. Or, if you get no for an answer, retreat, do your homework, and make your case. Let them know you're serious and you won't be put off so easily. Roy Tennant On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Brian Williams wrote: > I would try to provide a management structure that removed the > "webmaster", that is technical support, from decisions about content and > organization. I would have someone in management with responsibility for > allocation of resources and general library oversight be the Site > "manager" and let the site manager and the site technical support person > work as a team to make final decisions about the site. Library staff input > should be routed the "normal" way to the manager. > > Content, per se, can come from different groups in the library and just > needs to be coordinated by the site manager. > > 'course I don't anyplace that actually does this ! > > On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, A. Helfman wrote: > > > > > I've been asked to give a presentation at a local library conference in > > November, and I'm planning to address the question of how to improve > > communication and cooperation between librarians and webmasters. The first > > piece of advice that I would give is, "Learn the lingo!" (i.e., technical > > jargon), but I know that for many of the librarians in my audience, that > > will be an intimidating idea. What other suggestions would you make? > > > > > > > > Amy W. Helfman Judaica Librarian HUC-JIR, NY > > helfman@huc.edu http://www.albany.edu/~helfman > > > > Brian Williams Automation Administrator > Multnomah County Library 801 SW 10th Portland, OR 97205 > (503)248-5227 (v) (503)248-5226 (f) brianw@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > > > From cgreenhalgh at antiochne.edu Wed Sep 16 14:45:53 1998 From: cgreenhalgh at antiochne.edu (Charlotte G. Greenhalgh) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Webmasters s/b librarians (was Communication between Librarian & Message-ID: Okay, this is a controversial topic, but here goes. .. I think that library systems managers/webmasters should be from both worlds, but if its one or the other I think its best to start with an MLS and train into a tech person, rather than the other way around. Librarians are trained (hopefully) in the needs people have to access information and find what they need, and librarians also experience the frustrations associated withe technology as endusers, which can help define how things should be accessed, how the software needs to run, etc. It has been my experience that people on the tech side are too accepting of glitches, too willing to accept work arounds and not well versed in the needs of a library and/or patrons. And as to whether we would train a librarian for electrical work, graphics, accounting and public relations I bet most librarians would agree that they end up trained in all of that by default, since that is the nature of the job. (Electrical work may be pushing it a bit.) {As an aside ... I do come from both worlds} Many thanks, Charlotte Charlotte Greenhalgh Systems Librarian Antioch New England Graduate School Library 40 Avon Street Keene, NH 03431 603 367 3122 x330 cgreenhalgh@antiochne.edu "In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and in exhaustible." -Budda, from the Dhammapada. From eric_morgan at ncsu.edu Wed Sep 16 17:26:30 1998 From: eric_morgan at ncsu.edu (Eric Lease Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Alex Catalogue of Electronic Texts Message-ID: <36002D06.B8F26885@ncsu.edu> = Try the Alex Catalogue of Electronic Texts at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/alex/ The Alex Catalogue of Electronic Texts is a collection of digital documents. The scope of documents in the collection includes items from American literature, English literature, and Western philosophy. The Catalogue has a number of unique features. First, not only can you search for and display texts from the collection, but you can also search the content of located texts. For example, you can search for Mark Twain's The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn. You can then search the content of The Adventures for the words like fish and belly to get a description of Huck Finn's father. Moreover, you can search the content of multiple documents simultaneously. For example, you can first locate all the documents in the collection authored by Mark Twain. Next, you can search selected documents for something like slav* to draw out themes across texts. Another unique feature of the Catalogue is the on-the-fly creation of PDF files. Using this option you can specify things like fonts and font sizes for your output. For example, you can create a PDF version of Washington Irving's Rip Van Winkle. This feature allows you to create simply formatted but very readable documents for printing; the documents in the collection are not necessarily intended to be read online. A third unique feature of the Catalogue is the free goodies available for downloading. These goodies include complete sets of the collected documents and the tools necessary to search them without the use of your Web browser. While you will still need a direct Internet connection, the search tools provide the means for more complex content analysis and enhance access to texts in the collection. -- Eric Lease Morgan Digital Library Initiatives Department, NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ From coleman at library.ucsf.edu Wed Sep 16 17:06:41 1998 From: coleman at library.ucsf.edu (Gregory Coleman) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: TIFF ==> GIF converter programs for batch processing? Message-ID: greetings: I am looking at packages that can convert TIFF format images into GIF and/or JPEGs. The defining aspects of any package are that it be free (or something off-the-shelf [ie. under $100.00] ); and should be able to handle batch processing. This second point has led me to explore various packages like FU-script with GIMP, and NetPBM. I already consider Debabalizer a candidate too for the macros one can write. I'd like to hear from folks that have done automated conversions using freeware, esp. where it's from TIFF. thanks! gleeco G r e g o r y C o l e m a n The Library & Center for Knowledge Management University of California, San Francisco From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Wed Sep 16 16:27:01 1998 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916162701.03516910@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> At 08:58 AM 9/16/98 -0700, Shaken Angel wrote: > > >On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > >> I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. >> If not, they should be. >> My 2/100ths of a dollar. > >They certainly are here at Miami U, although the actual Library Systems >department (including me) are not -- we handle the actual machines and the >software, but do very little/none of the interface design. > >I think it's important that the people who are designing and implementing >the actual interface to a library's web site be librarians, but as for us >fix-it grunts, it's probably immaterial. > >Maybe the talk should be more along the lines of how to teach librarians >to talk to folks like me. :) > >-- john f. What librarians do best is organize knowledge; interface design is a specialty of its own that most librarians are not especially knowledgeable about or skilled at. Librarians may or may not be the best people to be library webmasters depending on how you define webmaster. If the function of webmaster is to design the way the structure of the site works, then the right person is most probably a librarian. If, on the other hand, the job of webmaster is to implement that structure in valid html (or whatever), using the various available technologies (servers, databases etc.), then the need for a librarian is not so clear. In the best of all possible worlds the structure, interface, technology, and graphics would each be handled by specialists (librarians, interface designers, programers/systems analysts, and graphic artists respectively) with one person in charge whose skill is project management. In the real world we may not have all those skills available to us and the best person for a job that can encompass all those disparate skills may or may not have an MLS. If a library web site is merely a brief listing of services, locations, events etc., as many are, then the need for a librarian is even more unclear. If a library web site is a portal to wide array of information from many sources that need organization, explanation and categorization, then creating such a site without large quantities of input from a librarian or librarians would be foolhardy at best. Librarians should be proud of their special skills, but they should not claim expertise in other areas, like interface design, unless they have actually earned it. Just my $2 * 10^-2 Edward From gpoitras at ggu.edu Wed Sep 16 17:39:05 1998 From: gpoitras at ggu.edu (Gilles Poitras) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TIFF ==> GIF converter programs for batch processing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you are using a Mac the shareware program GraphicConverter will do this very easily, and much more. If you are using a Mac you should also be a BMUG member and can download the latest version, 3.3.1, from Planet BMUG. Information on joining BMUG is on the web at: www.bmug.org If you are not a BMUG member searching the web for GraphicConverter should turn it up. At 2:30 PM -0700 9/16/1998, Gregory Coleman wrote: >I am looking at packages that can convert TIFF format images into GIF >and/or JPEGs. The defining aspects of any package are that it be free (or >something off-the-shelf [ie. under $100.00] ); and should be able to >handle batch processing. Gilles Poitras gpoitras@ggu.edu Golden Gate University - University Library From Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu Wed Sep 16 18:43:42 1998 From: Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Webmasters s/b librarians Message-ID: <018c01bde1c3$75b1c9a0$b829cfa9@dwinells> > a) move a librarian into the position, with MAYBE some training? >or > b) hire a guru from outside the realm of libraries? Maybe? You almost make it sound like the options are taking any librarian in the entire library, just because they have an MLS, or hiring someone who "really" knows Web technology. I don't think the options available to most libraries are that stark. In fact, I would guess that most library webmasters who were moved into those postions are probably the librarians who have an interest in the Web and it's potential for distributing information to the library's users and have taken it upon themselves to learn on their own or take advantage of courses offered by their institutions. Not only HTML, but how to run a web server, different languages (PERL, javascript, etc.), CGI, graphics software, etc.etc. Some of us actually wanted to be webmasters and applied for the jobs. :) I know that some others sort of got forced into it because there wasn't anyone else to do the job. However, I'd guess (at least I hope) the majority of us sought out training either on our own or with our library's assistance & really like what we do & have the technical skills or have access to others with those skills to operate our sites effectively. You know, to be honest, most libraries couldn't meet the salary requirements of a lot of professional webmasters. Why would someone work at a library for $30K when they could go work for XYZ Corporation for double that? We in academic institutions have seen a lot of turn over in our Information Technology Departments because of the wide disparity in pay between the business world and academe. What library wants to hire a 20 year old web guru who might be technically brilliant, but who is only there to gain experience & move on? I know that librarians do this too, but I get this sense that librarians work in libraries because they love libraries. Why else would they enthusiastically do jobs for which they are often underpaid? There may be large libraries with sufficient budgets to hire Web designers, interface design specialists, systems analysts, and programmers, but I doubt that is the reality in most libraries. A lot of librarians have taken on some of those tasks and do a pretty damn good job of it. As for librarians being trained in graphic design, accounting and PR, I suspect you can find lots who have, by default, taken on those roles. Public librarians come to mind because they are asked to do a lot of PR work, but seldom have a budget that would allow them to hire a PR expert. Are these librarians expert at all those additional responsibilities they're asked to take on? No, but their skills are sufficient to achieve the result desired by the library. Getting back to the main point, I'm sure that anyone with the technical skills to be a webmaster could apply those skills in a library, MLS or not. But, perhaps the library doing the hiring thinks it's important for that person to also have library experience. Just because they want someone with an MLS doesn't mean that they don't also have to have the technical skills required to fill the position. I know I'm biased because I am a librarian, but I do feel like it helps for anyone in the role of library webmaster to have an understanding of the library world and how we operate. >* Is it reasonable to expect that everyone in the organization who has an MLS >should make more many than ANYONE without one? I just had to comment on this. Most libraries require an MLS to hold a professional library position. It's the norm in the library world, like it or not. The professional librarian is considered to have more experience & expertise, hence they get paid more, like it or not. However, in my own experience (your mileage may vary), systems personnel with and without an MLS often make higher salaries than most librarians. My own 2 cents and then some! Sheryl Dwinell Webmaster/Database Management Librarian Marquette University Libraries Milwaukee, WI 414-288-3406 dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From neil_grant at uow.edu.au Wed Sep 16 19:24:44 1998 From: neil_grant at uow.edu.au (Neil Grant) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Cannot read from drive A" References: Message-ID: <360048BC.4BD2F97B@uow.edu.au> We have this message coming up fairly frequently on machines running Windows3.1 with security software Winselect and Fortres. We have been looking for some conflict with this software but from Tom's setup, perhaps it is something else It happens when users attempt to print, using shared printers with copy cards for charging. I have found that cancel, followed by file, save as cancel, allows printing to proceed without the error message reappearing, when another print command is sent. Neil Grant Tom Zimoski wrote: > I have seen this message appear in a few different contexts where my > reaction has been, "So who asked you to read from Drive A" > > Yesterday I clicked on a link in Netscape, got the "Cannot read from Drive > A" message, and a prompt to Retry or Cancel. I chose Cancel and was > dropped to DOS. > > At other times someone has tried to print something and the "Cannot > read..." message has appeared. > > We do allow people to download files from the Internet onto floppies and > I'm sure this has happened not too long before the instances I relate. > Somehow the PC seems to "think" that drive A is current. > > My question: Is there something we can do to prevent this from happening? > > The computers in question are running Windows for Workgroups and Netscape > Gold 3.04. > > Thanks for your attention. > > Tom Zimoski Phone: 209-488-2976 > Reference Dept. Fax: 209-488-6735 > Fresno County Library Email: tzimoski@sjvls.lib.ca.us > 2420 Mariposa St. > Fresno, CA 93721 > USA > -- Neil Grant Electronic Services Librarian University of Wollongong Library Northfields Avenue Wollongong NSW 2522 email neil_grant@uow.edu.au Ph (02) 4221 3547 Fax (02)4221 4663 From richard at goon.stg.brown.edu Wed Sep 16 19:33:35 1998 From: richard at goon.stg.brown.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TIFF ==> GIF converter programs for batch processing? In-Reply-To: from Gregory Coleman at "Sep 16, 98 02:30:23 pm" Message-ID: <199809162333.TAA20295@goon.stg.brown.edu> > I am looking at packages that can convert TIFF format images into GIF > and/or JPEGs... This second point has led me to explore various packages > like FU-script with GIMP and NetPBM. Sure, and ImageMagick, too. What are your constraints. Depending on what you want, you could, e.g., automatically sweep a directory on an FTP server for TIFF files and con- vert them to GIF and JPEG. Or you could write a CGI script to do the same thing over the Web (the front end could be a simple form that does file upload). From duda at library.ucsb.edu Wed Sep 16 19:49:15 1998 From: duda at library.ucsb.edu (Andrea Duda) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: CJK displays Message-ID: <9809162351.AA04947@abilene.library.ucsb.edu> I was in a meeting today where one of the topics of discussion was displaying CJK characters in web browsers. Right now we run into some problems when our patrons try to read Japanese newspapers, etc. It will be more of an issue when we switch to a web-based catalog that will have to display information on titles in our East Asian collection. Right now all of our public access computers are running Netscape Navigator. I'm told that Internet Explorer does a better job of displaying other alphabets, that it's more transparent to the user. Before we make any decisions about switching browsers I thought I'd ask this group for information. Do you know if Netscape has any plans to incorporate other alphabets easily into their browsers? Are there plug-ins that would display CJK characters without requiring anything from the user other than selecting the page? Are there options other than Internet Explorer? If you'll send the information directly to me I'll be happy to post a summary later. Thanks for your help. Andrea L. Duda Networked Information Access Coordinator Davidson Library University of California, Santa Barbara duda@library.ucsb.edu From tedelblu at usiu.edu Wed Sep 16 19:52:32 1998 From: tedelblu at usiu.edu (Thomas Edelblute) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: FW: [WEB4LIB] Webmaster stats Message-ID: <318932BAD440D111BDB800A024BDEBA82C3C8D@misnt1.usiu.edu> Another thought along these lines, how many librarians have any formal computer training. I may be a systems librarian at USIU, but I have no paperwork that says I am qualified to work with computer systems. This was just suppose to be a hobby for me, not a career the way it has been. Therefore, most of what I know is self-taught (with the help of a few-listserves) :-) Thomas Edelblute -----Original Message----- From: Shane Nackerud [mailto:snackeru@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] Webmaster stats On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Wilfred Drew wrote: > I would almost bet that most webmasters for libraries are also librarians. > If not, they should be. I'd like to chime in on this previous discussion of exactly how many library webmasters have the MLS. A colleague and I recently conducted a survey of ARL library webmasters and I think some of the preliminary statistics we have gathered could prove of use. 88 ARL libraries responded. Of those 88, 70% of the webmasters had an MLS. Of the webmasters with the MLS, only 30% knew another language besides HTML (and most of the time this was javascript). Of the webmasters without the MLS, they almost always knew another programming language, especially Perl. Of course, there is much more data than this. We hope to turn the data into some sort of article in the near future. Shane ******************************************************* Shane Nackerud Web Services Coordinator University of Minnesota Libraries 108 Walter Library 117 Pleasant Street S.E. Minneapolis, MN 55455-0291 (612) 625-7880 From dennis at dati.com Wed Sep 16 20:00:19 1998 From: dennis at dati.com (Dennis Brantley) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: New Citrix Clients Message-ID: <36005113.6553@dati.com> Apologies for cross-posting. Citrix has announced WinFrame/MetaFrame clients for SCO and Linux platforms. See http://download.citrix.com/ -- Dennis Brantley Data Access Technologies, Inc. Toll Free 1-888-4-DATI-CD (432-8423) Voice (770) 339-6554 FAX (770) 682-0629 mailto:dennis@dati.com From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Wed Sep 16 19:01:46 1998 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Webmasters s/b librarians In-Reply-To: <018c01bde1c3$75b1c9a0$b829cfa9@dwinells> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916190146.03510840@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> At 03:58 PM 9/16/98 -0700, Sheryl.Dwinell@marquette.edu wrote: >.... >There may be large libraries with sufficient budgets to hire Web designers, >interface design specialists, systems analysts, and programmers, but I doubt >that is the reality in most libraries. A lot of librarians have taken on >some of those tasks and do a pretty damn good job of it. As for librarians >being trained in graphic design, accounting and PR, I suspect you can find >lots who have, by default, taken on those roles. Public librarians come to >mind because they are asked to do a lot of PR work, but seldom have a budget >that would allow them to hire a PR expert. Are these librarians expert at >all those additional responsibilities they're asked to take on? No, but >their skills are sufficient to achieve the result desired by the library. >.... Most of us take on tasks beyond our areas of formal competence at one time or another (every time I take a plunger to a blocked sink I'm doing that), and we often do an acceptable, even sometimes excellent, job. But it is intellectual arrogance of the worst sort to claim that librarians have "skills are sufficient to achieve the result" in other fields and not admit that the same is true for many systems professionals but 'librarian amateurs.' Let us celebrate our strengths, but not at the expense of the talents of others, even if they do happen to be good at some of the things we pride ourselves on. The alternative sounds a bit too much like a call for 'licensed librarians' for my taste, a monopolistic tactic most professions are better off without. Edward From Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu Wed Sep 16 22:33:57 1998 From: Sheryl.Dwinell at marquette.edu (Sheryl Dwinell) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Webmasters s/b librarians Message-ID: <002201bde1e3$a2067580$8b28cfa9@dwinells> . But it is >intellectual arrogance of the worst sort to claim that librarians have >"skills are sufficient to achieve the result" in other fields and not admit >that the same is true for many systems professionals but 'librarian amateurs.' Yeesh. I figured it was obvious that systems professionals could learn library stuff. I was focusing on the librarian & what librarians do, not writing a thesis on the merits of one profession learning the skills of another. I was responding to a specific point someone made about would we expect librarians to do all these other things when the administration could go out and hire an accountant, graphic artist, etc. etc. My point was that librarians do take on these roles & do a fine job. Most libraries typically don't have the budgets to hire people to do specific jobs & rely on librarians to do things that might not be entirely library related. So, they do the job & they do it well. I don't think libraries should be knocked for using librarians to run their websites whether it's because of budgetary or personnel constraints or because librarians WANT to do the job themselves. Sheryl Dwinell Webmaster/Database Management Librarian Marquette University Libraries Milwaukee, WI 414-288-3406 dwinells@vms.csd.mu.edu From ptkw.25.ssl at sabah.gov.my Wed Sep 16 22:59:57 1998 From: ptkw.25.ssl at sabah.gov.my (CHUNG FON MEE) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: limite sites Message-ID: <01bde1e7$40f5fdc0$5901120a@fonmee.sbh.lib.edu.my> Hello all, I am in a public library, we would like to limite the Internet access in some pc to certain sites, how can I do that? we are using netscape communicator. Thank you Chung Fon Mee Librarian Automation Division Sabah State Library http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980917/de3ab3e0/attachment.htm From lk13 at is2.nyu.edu Wed Sep 16 23:07:07 1998 From: lk13 at is2.nyu.edu (Leo Robert Klein) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980916162701.03516910@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: Much of the problem/challenge is to define exactly what a webmaster is particularly in the context of a library. The position itself is not clear and added to this is the fact that it can very well change from institution to institution depending on varying needs and resources. I'm perfectly happy to leave the running of the network and servers to people in the Systems department, concentrating instead on design and (along with the collaboration of others) on content. How the machines run is still an enigma to me and when Windows crashes I no more know what to do than the most complete novice. My knowledge extends no further than the browser's edge and that's enough. Webbing increasingly is becoming a professional position and those issues revolving around the web are enough for one person to deal with. I'm not quite sure a "techie" in the traditional sense of the word (i.e. straight out of Systems) is enough to deal with things like layout and interface design and, of course, content.. It's important that the person in charge and deciding on these--to my mind--more pertinent issues be a librarian. If not, what are we saying about the role of our web sites? That they are mere technical creations? This divorce between content and machinery is a growing phenomenon, I believe. It's certain to grow considering the fact that what one can do with the content is becoming more and more interesting--more interactive--and what our users are seeing day-in, day-out on non-library sites, they will expect to see when they visit ours. Learning tools for this will enhance, I believe, the traditional functions of the library and may ultimately be more important than knowing how to configure a server. In any case, it's enough for one life. Yours, Leo Robert Klein ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Robert Klein 151 E. 25th St., rm. 524 Web Coordinator & New York, NY.10010 Digital Resources Developer Tel.: (212) 802-2373 William & Anita Newman Library Fax: (212) 802-2360 Baruch College/CUNY Email: leo.klein@nyu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From burt at northwest.com Wed Sep 16 23:58:05 1998 From: burt at northwest.com (Filtering Facts) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: National TV Segment of Library Porn This Weekend Message-ID: There will be a 10 minute piece on the Coral Ridge Hour this weekend about pornography in libraries. I will be featured extensively. See http://www.coralridge.org/stalog/crrtvsrh.cfm for local listings. ***************************************************************************** David Burt President, Filtering Facts Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048 From listbot at mccmedia.com Thu Sep 17 00:20:05 1998 From: listbot at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:55 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] National TV Segment of Library Porn This Weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <360048E90000008F@mail.mccmedia.com> (added by mail.mccmedia.com) At 09:04 PM 9/16/98 -0700, Filtering Facts wrote: >There will be a 10 minute piece on the Coral Ridge Hour this weekend about >pornography in libraries. I will be featured extensively. Clothed, I hope? Nick From Jaap.Verbaas at ubn.kun.nl Thu Sep 17 06:08:30 1998 From: Jaap.Verbaas at ubn.kun.nl (Jaap.Verbaas@ubn.kun.nl) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: Database on the Web Message-ID: Dear collegues, I am ordered by my library director to put up a database for (a part of) Dutch history. There should be data in it like: biographical data ('hard' data in searchable fields plus text like you find in a encyclopedia) data about organizations (idem) calendarium / facts about things happended on certain dates etc. etc. There will have to be room for (links to) * text documents as letters, treaties etc. * pictures (* statistical data) etc It will be a project of years, it has to get 'standing', it should be reliable, future proof, it should be searchable on the web. How big it will be? It is difficult to say now. But one should reckon it will be big. I read good stories about Ms Access 97 and Cold Fusion. Will that do for big, reliable, future proof databases? How big can a Ms Access 97 database (in combination with Cold Fusion) be to remain a good performance via the web? What is a just, reliable limit to the total of used records? Is Ms Access 97 robust enough? Is Windows NT plus Ms Access 97 plus cold Fusion for a big database a viable way? Or should other, more robust, databases come in? Which ones? What are your experiences with it? Do you know of ready-off-the-shelves packages that will deal for databases with this kind of information? A lot of questions, but perhaps you can give me some hints? Thanks in advance, Greetings Jaap Verbaas University Library Nijmegen Erasmuslaan 36 6525 GG Nijmegen The Netherlands From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Sep 17 08:13:05 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001bde234$86082760$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > -----Original Message----- > From: web4lib@webjunction.org > [mailto:web4lib@webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Roy Tennant > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 3:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Communication between Librarian & Webmaster? > > > To follow up a bit on Brian's identification of different roles, we have > compartmentalized the following roles: > > * Overall site management: server policies, procedures, content > management, etc. > * Technical support: server software configuration, installation, > troubleshooting, etc. > * Administrative support: moving files around, helping "data owners" put > their files up, etc. > * Data Owners: those with the "stuff" that needs to go online > and who also > have the responsibility to mark it up or see that it is done > > Each role is performed by (at least one) separate person. The only > librarian involved (except for the data owners) is the Web Manager, who > performs the overall site management role. But what we have > found is that > this individual must also have a fairly thorough technical knowledge as > well. This is because the person performing the technical support is not > going to go out looking for work. Therefore, they do not volunteer > information about unused server capabilities or the like. That > means it is > up to the librarian Web Manager to know all the possibilities (including > knowing when the server must be reconfigured by the technical support > person) so they know whe to hold the tech support person's feet to the > fire. > > I teach a lot of HTML workshops, and if I hear anything > repeated time and > again it is the lament that they can't get what they want out > of whomever > is managing their Web server. Most often this is an overworked technical > support person who finds it much easier just to say no than to even look > into how difficult it would be to fulfill the request. I doubt that a > public service librarian would have the same knee-jerk response. Roy, you say that as someone with at least one foot in the sea of public service librarianship. Doesn't every library have a handful of patrons grumbling to themselves, "I can never get what I want out of those jerks at the reference desk..."? At least part of the problem is the notion of "getting something out of" systems. A non-dysfunctional (I suppose that would be "functional") web site simply won't come about through that kind of predatorial attempt to coerce another party into serving one's own perceived higher priority needs. While it never hurts to have some grasp of the other person's realm of expertise--as a last resort, if nothing else--why not make one trip to the systems office with a batch of chocolate chip cookies before you haul out the red-hot pokers? In sufficient quantity, cookies have an amazing ability to get the other guy to see what you're trying to do, understand why you're doing it, and how it fits into the overall scheme of things. That's when you'll get the "Oh, sure, I can do that" or "Here's an even better way to do that" reaction. 'Course, if your sysadmin or webmaster really is a mutant troll who doesn't respond to cookies, you've still got those red-hot pokers in reserve. But in general, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Thomas ("Actually, you catch more with manure") Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Thu Sep 17 08:35:48 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] limite sites In-Reply-To: <01bde1e7$40f5fdc0$5901120a@fonmee.sbh.lib.edu.my> Message-ID: Chung, Take a visit to my help page on how to limit Netscape Navigator to pre-selected sites at: http://northville.lib.mi.us/tech/lockin.htm A link to this page is also available from the Library Web Manager's Reference Center at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html This site should be your first stop for any Library-web questions. It's a great resource! 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href=3D"http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my">http://www.sbh.lib.edu.my DIV> > > ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01BDE22A.4F193DC0-- > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Sep 17 17:08:56 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: Opera 3.5b Message-ID: <000901bde27f$61bfb6c0$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> For those of you who keep current on browsers other than the Big Two, Opera has posted the first public betas of its new version, Opera 3.5. It's available at and also TUCOWS, Download.Com, etc. The most current version, as of today, is Beta 8. Opera is fast and small (the download still fits on a floppy disk), remarkably configurable, and full of useful ideas that other browsers never seem to pick up. Opera 3.5 adds the ability to use Sun's Java plug-in and probably the best implemetation of Cascading Stylesheets anyone has ever made. To top it all off, the company responds to--and acts on--bug reports. Opera is not yet a perfect browser by any means: it does not support HTML 4, Unicode, or PNG graphics; it runs under Windows only; Java via a plug-in won't win any races; and its multiple document interface strikes some users as wrong for a browser. It also doesn't try to offer full-fledged e-mail and news clients, choosing instead to coexist with external applications better than most browsers. It is also not free; it costs US$35 to register. For that and other reasons, you're probably not going to put it on a hundred public workstations, but you may very well want to have it on your own desktop. Thomas ("Not an employee, just a satisfied customer") Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From transit at primenet.com Thu Sep 17 11:55:17 1998 From: transit at primenet.com (Charles P. Hobbs) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: Library automation system discussion list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excuse me for an off-topic message, but could someone direct me to a list that discusses various library automation systems? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swilson at titan.iwu.edu Thu Sep 17 21:09:43 1998 From: swilson at titan.iwu.edu (Suzanne Wilson) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:56 2005 Subject: Mail Server in Netscape 4.06 Message-ID: <01BDE277.1CA36DA0@638394> Does anyone know where in Netscape Navigator 4.06 you put the incoming and outgoing mail server. Without it our webforms will not work and the "send page" under file is not highlighted. Under "edit/ preferences/identity" you can only put your e-mail address. Was this function taken away with 4.06? Any help would be appreciated. Sue Wilson swilson@titan.iwu.edu Sheean Library Illinois Wesleyan University From dms8f at etext.lib.virginia.edu Sun Sep 20 16:32:36 1998 From: dms8f at etext.lib.virginia.edu (David M. Seaman) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:58 2005 Subject: ACH-ALLC 99 Humanities Computing Conference -- CFP Message-ID: <199809202032.QAA26776@etext.lib.Virginia.EDU> Call for Papers: http://www.iath.virginia.edu/ach-allc.99/cfp.html Association for Computers and the Humanities Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing Joint International Conference of the ACH/ALLC in 1999: Digital Libraries for Humanities Scholarship and Teaching JUNE 9-13, 1999 University of Virginia Charlottesville, Virginia, USA The ACH and ALLC invite submissions of 1,500 to 2,000 words on any aspect of humanities computing, defined broadly as the use of computing methodologies in humanities research, teaching, or archives. The ACH and the ALLC have held joint conferences, alternating between North America and Europe, for the last 18 years. This conference is the premier forum for presenting innovative work in the humanities that makes use of computing methodology. The conference welcomes work across the humanities disciplines, including (but not limited to) languages and literature, history, philosophy, anthropology, and art history; the creative arts, such as creative writing, art and music; cultural studies and anthropology; computational linguistics and corpus linguistics. We encourage submissions from scholars, teachers, librarians, museum professionals, editors, and publishers involved in the creation, maintenance, delivery, and use of digital information. We especially encourage submissions from those new to the ACH and the ALLC. Recommended characteristics of submissions: In the interests of fostering lively debate, we invite: * sessions or papers which illuminate (or incite) debates within a field of humanities computing * papers which situate projects with respect to current debates and previous work, or explore the theoretical ramifications of new developments * sessions which dramatize methodological differences, or which explore a variety of approaches Suggested topics for submissions: * significant issues of creation, representation, discovery, delivery, teaching, management and preservation of digital resources relevant to the humanities * hypertext, markup, text corpora, statistical models, linguistic text analysis, humanities computing as a discipline * the role of humanities computing in undergraduate and graduate training, and institutional support for humanities computing * analytical discussions of software applications and implementations for teaching humanities content, and evaluations of such uses Deadlines: Submission of paper/panel: December 1, 1998 Notification: February 1, 1999 Submission of Posters/Demos: January 7, 1999 Revisions of accepted papers for the Conference Proceedings: May 1, 1999 Format of Proposals Proposals may be of four types: papers panel sessions posters software demonstrations The type of submission should be specified in the header of the proposal. Papers Proposals for papers (1,500 words) should take into consideration the recommended characteristics for submissions, above. Individual papers will be allocated 30 minutes for presentation, including questions. Proposals should describe original work. Those that concentrate on the development of new computing methodologies should make clear how the methodologies have been or might be applied to research and/or teaching in the humanities, and should include some critical assessment of the application of those methodologies in the humanities. Those that concentrate on a particular application in the humanities should cite traditional as well as computer-based approaches to the problem and should include some critical assessment of the computing methodologies used. All proposals should include conclusions and references, and should indicate a familiarity with previous work in the area. Paper proposals are due: December 1, 1998 Panel Sessions Sessions (90 minutes) take the form of either: 1. Three papers on a topic, either exploring it in depth, or presenting differing views on it. The panel organizer should make sure the session schedule leaves room for discussion. The session organizer should submit a 500-word statement describing the session topic, plus 1,000-word abstracts for each paper, and indicate that each author is willing to participate in the session; or 2. A panel of four to six speakers on a topic. The speakers should either present different facets of the topic or they should introduce a debate on it. In either case, the panel organizer should make sure that there is enough time left for discussion among the panelists and the audience. The panel organizer should submit an abstract of 1,500 words describing the panel topic, how it will be organized, the names of all the speakers, and an indication that each speaker is willing to participate in the session. Panel Session proposals are due: December 1, 1998 Posters and Demonstrations Poster presentations and software and project demonstrations (either stand-alone or in conjunction with poster presentations) are designed to give researchers an opportunity to present late-breaking results, significant work in progress, well-defined problems, or research that is best communicated in conversational mode. By definition, poster presentations are less formal and more interactive than a standard talk. Poster presenters have the opportunity to exchange ideas one-on-one with attendees and to discuss their work in detail with those most deeply interested in the same topic. Each presenter is provided with about 2 square metres of board space to display their work. They may also provide handouts with examples or more detailed information. Posters will remain on display throughout the conference, but a block of time separate from paper sessions will be assigned when presenters should be prepared to explain their work and answer questions. Specific times will also be assigned for software or project demonstrations. Proposals for posters and demos should be about 750 words long, and should indicate the type of hardware, if any, that would be required if the proposal were accepted. These proposals should also include an indication of the relation of this research to previous and related work. Poster and Demo proposals are due: January 7, 1999 Format of Submissions All submissions must be sent electronically, either by email to achallc@stg.brown.edu with the subject line " Submission for ALLCACH99", or through the web at http:/www.stg.brown.edu/ach99/submit Please pay particular attention to the format given below. Submissions which do not conform to this format may well be returned to the authors for reformatting, or may not be considered if they arrive very close to the deadline. All submissions should begin with the following information: TYPE OF PROPOSAL: paper, panel session, poster or software demonstration. TITLE: title of paper, panel session, poster or demo AUTHOR: name of first author (used for contact purposes) AFFILIATION: of first author E-MAIL: of first author KEYWORDS: three keywords (maximum) describing the main contents of the paper or session CONTACT ADDRESS: full postal address of first author or organizer for panel session proposals FAX NUMBER: of first author PHONE NUMBER: of first author If submitting a paper, poster or demo proposal, give the additional following information: AUTHOR: name of second author AFFILIATION: of second author E-MAIL: of second author (repeat these three headings as necessary) If submitting a panel session proposal consisting of three papers, please include, at the start of each participant's section, the title of the paper and the name, affiliation and email of each author. All panel sessions, even if consisting of three papers, will be treated as a unit. Proposals should take the form of ASCII or HTML files. Where necessary, a header should indicate the combinations of ASCII characters used to represent characters outside the ASCII or ISO 8859/1 range. Notes, if needed, should take the form of endnotes rather than footnotes. Those who submit abstracts containing graphics and tables are asked to fax a copy of the abstract in addition to the one sent electronically. Faxes should be sent to: (1) 804-982-2363 The cover page should reproduce the header from the electronic submission. Equipment Availability Mac or PC computers with internet connections, and LCD projectors, will be provided for each conference session, and for poster sessions, as required. If you require special software, we recommend that you bring that software on your own laptop computer, and allow time before your session or demo to test-drive the LCD projector. If you wish to bring data on standard media (floppy disk, CD, Zip or Jazz drive), but do not require special software to be installed, simply let us know what your requirements are, and we will make the necessary equipment available. If you have questions or requirements not covered above, please let us know. Publication A book of abstracts will be provided to all conference participants. In addition, abstracts will be published on the conference web page at http://www.iath.virginia.edu/ach-allc.99/ A selection of papers from the conference will be published in Computers and the Humanities, a Kluwer journal. International Program Committee Proposals will be evaluated by a panel of reviewers who will make recommendations to the Program Committee. Members of that committee are: Elizabeth Burr, Gerhard-Mercator-Universitat GH John Dawson, University of Cambridge Julia Flanders, Brown University Elli Mylonas, Brown University (Program Chair) Mark Olsen, University of Chicago Thomas Rommel, University of Tubingen David Seaman, University of Virginia Local Organizers: The Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia http://etext.lib.virginia.edu The Institute for Advanced Technology in the Humanities, University of Virginia http://www.iath.virginia.edu The Instructional Technology Group, University of Virginia http://www.itc.virginia.edu/itcweb/support/instruction/intech.html Bursaries As part of its commitment to promote the development and application of appropriate computing in humanities scholarship, the Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing will award up to five bursaries of up to 500 pounds sterling each to students and young scholars who have papers accepted for presentation at the conference. Applicants must be members of ALLC. The ALLC will make the awards after the Program Committee have decided which proposals are to be accepted. Recipients will be notified as soon as possible thereafter. A participant in a multi-author paper is eligible for an award, but it must be clear that s/he is contributing substantially to the paper. Applications must be made to the conference organizer. The deadline for receipt of applications is the same as for submission of papers. Full details of the bursary scheme, and an on-line application form, will be available from the conference web site. Other opportunities for the subvention of travel and registration, for students and for those from developing nations, may become available after this announcement: please check regularly at the conference web site. Location The conference will be held at the University of Virginia, in Charlottesville, Virginia, a little over one hundred miles south of Washington D.C., in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. For more information on facilities, excursions, travel, and housing, please check the conference web site: http://www.iath.virginia.edu/ach-allc.99/ Further Information Queries concerning the goals of the conference or the format or content of papers should be addressed to: iath@virginia.edu **************************** David Seaman, Director 804-924-3230 (phone) Electronic Text Center 804-924-1431 (fax) Alderman Library email: etext@virginia.edu University of Virginia http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/ Charlottesville, Virginia 22903 From evan.bailey at dtec.tafensw.edu.au Tue Sep 22 01:23:50 1998 From: evan.bailey at dtec.tafensw.edu.au (evan.bailey@dtec.tafensw.edu.au) Date: Wed May 18 14:26:59 2005 Subject: Kiosk software Message-ID: <36073466.624C@dtec.tafensw.edu.au> Colleagues, Has anybody had any experience with Netshift kiosk software? Or with any other kiosk software which can be modified locally to display basic library information? Any replies gratefully received, and summarised later. Regards, Evan Bailey ------------------------- Evan Bailey Ph: +61 2 924 45551 A/Manager Fax: +61 2 924 45555 Education & Training Information Service (ETIS) Level 13, No. 1 Oxford St DARLINGHURST NSW 2010 AUSTRALIA Email: evan.bailey@det.nsw.edu.au ========================================================= From jhauf at dnai.com Tue Sep 22 08:19:56 1998 From: jhauf at dnai.com (john hauf) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: read-only bookmarks Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if there's a way to make Netscape bookmarks read-only (i.e. tamper-proof) at public library internet stations? There is a record of a brief (but unsatisfactory) discussion on this subject in the archives from a couple of years ago. John Hauf Mill Valley Public Library From danforth at tiac.net Tue Sep 22 07:38:56 1998 From: danforth at tiac.net (Isabel Danforth) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] read-only bookmarks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19980922073856.02ee49cc@sunspot.tiac.net> I have made 4 files read only on our public access machines. bookmark.htm, prefs.js, netscape.hst, and cookies.txt. These actions protect privacy as well as the machines. This is with Netscape 4.0x standalone. At 04:36 AM 9/22/98 -0700, john hauf wrote: >Can anyone tell me if there's a way to make Netscape bookmarks read-only >(i.e. tamper-proof) at public library internet stations? There is a record >of a brief (but unsatisfactory) discussion on this subject in the archives >from a couple of years ago. > >John Hauf >Mill Valley Public Library > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Tue Sep 22 08:41:42 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: read-only bookmarks In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19980922073856.02ee49cc@sunspot.tiac.net> Message-ID: It should be noted that making the bookmark.htm file read-only will prevent changes from being saved between sessions. However, within a session, patrons can still add or modify the bookmarks. To prevent any changes, run Netscape in Kiosk mode or utilize a third-party product to prevent access to the bookmarks. However, for most users, the read-only settings Isabel noted should provide the level of "security" you need. Andrew Mutch Electronic Service Support Northville District Library Northville, MI On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Isabel Danforth wrote: > I have made 4 files read only on our public access machines. > bookmark.htm, prefs.js, netscape.hst, and cookies.txt. These actions > protect privacy as well as the machines. This is with Netscape 4.0x > standalone. > > > > At 04:36 AM 9/22/98 -0700, john hauf wrote: > >Can anyone tell me if there's a way to make Netscape bookmarks read-only > >(i.e. tamper-proof) at public library internet stations? There is a record > >of a brief (but unsatisfactory) discussion on this subject in the archives > >from a couple of years ago. > > > >John Hauf > >Mill Valley Public Library > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Isabel L. Danforth Reference Librarian, Wethersfield Public Library > danforth@tiac.net http://www.wethersfieldlibrary.org > Coordinator of Librarians' Online Support Team > http://admin.gnacademy.org:8001/~lost/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From ninadm at MIT.EDU Tue Sep 22 10:02:08 1998 From: ninadm at MIT.EDU (Nina Davis-Millis) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF STAFF VACANCY Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980922140208.012b3394@po9.mit.edu> >>From: "Robin M. Deadrick" >>Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF STAFF VACANCY >> >> WEB MANAGER >> (Librarian I or II) >> >>RESPONSIBILITIES: Under the general direction of the Information >Technology Librarian for Public Services, has primary responsibility and >serves as editor-in-chief for the Libraries' web site. Has direct >responsibility for top level pages and coordinating responsibility for all >others. Establishes and ensures consistent design elements and policies for >the development of web pages library-wide. Leads efforts to determine >design, presentation, and structural elements, and for the on-going >development of the web site. Serves as a resource for web-page developers >and as an advisor for web-based projects. Provides expertise on technology >development and trends and the applications of new web technologies. >Promotes staff knowledge of web-based technologies; identifies needs for and >promotes training opportunities. Works with the Library Systems Office in >selecting web-authoring software, managing web space, and providing custom >script-writing and programming. Ensures quality control, including testing >and debugging code, link management, resolution of database and applications >errors, and ensures copyright compliance within the site. Develops >mechanisms to solicit and respond to user input. Will be expected to >establish and administer a user focus group of faculty, students and >Institute staff. Will chair the Web Advisory Group and will serve as the >Libraries' liaison to the Campus Wide Information Systems group. >> >>QUALIFICATIONS: Required - ALA-accredited MLS/MLIS; good understanding of >the impact of technology on library public service and collection >development functions; experience in web-site management, HTML editing and >CGI script-writing, including forms processing; knowledge of PERL; ability >to work in PC, UNIX, and Mac environments; demonstrated ability to work in >an environment requiring strong communications and interpersonal skills. >(Three years professional experience required for appointment at Librarian >II level.). Desirable - significant work experience in libraries; >knowledge of JAVA. >> >>HIRING SALARY: $33,000 minimum (Librarian I) $36,000 minimum (Librarian II). >>Actual salary will depend on experience. >> >>The MIT Libraries include five major subject libraries (architecture and >planning; engineering; humanities; science; social sciences and management) >and several branch libraries in specialized subject areas. The Libraries >contain more than 2.3 million printed volumes, over 17,000 serial >subscriptions, and extensive collections of microforms, maps, slides, >photographs, sound recordings, printed music, manuscripts, motion pictures, >and videotapes. The Libraries' automated system is Geac Advance. The >public catalog, Barton, is available within the Libraries and on the campus >network. The Libraries' webpage (http://libraries.mit.edu/) presents >information about library services, access to numerous databases, and links >to pertinent Internet resources. MIT Libraries maintain membership in the >Association of Research Libraries, the International Association of >Technological University Libraries, the Boston Library Consortium, and OCLC >through NELINET. >> >>MIT offers excellent benefits, including tuition assistance and a >relocation allowance. The MIT Libraries affords a flexible and collegial >working environment and fosters professional growth of its staff with >management training, travel funding for professional meetings, and a >professional research grant program. MIT is a smoke-free campus. >> >>Review of applications will begin on October 26, 1998. Complete >applications, which consist of a cover letter, resume, and names and >addresses of three current references should be mailed to: >> >>Search Committee for Web Manager >>The Libraries, Room 14S-216 >>Massachusetts Institute of Technology >>77 Massachusetts Ave. >>Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 >> >>MIT is strongly and actively committed to diversity within its community >and particularly encourages applications from qualified women and ethnic >minority candidates. > From loretta at panix.com Tue Sep 22 10:06:55 1998 From: loretta at panix.com (Loretta Weiss-Morris) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Free "Quick Training Tips" is 2 years old! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! The latest issue of my free email-based newsletter, "Quick Training Tips," marks QTT's second anniversary! Quick Training Tips is written for anyone who teaches other people to use computers effectively. 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Loretta Weiss-Morris, Editor and Publisher Systems Literacy Inc. email: loretta@panix.com Tel: 201-330-8923 Fax: 201-330-0163 Mailing address: PO Box 2487, Secaucus, NJ 07096-2487 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rsteffes at carroll1.cc.edu Tue Sep 22 10:11:58 1998 From: rsteffes at carroll1.cc.edu (Rebecca Steffes) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Menu Builder Message-ID: <3607B02D.4C9D40DF@carroll1.cc.edu> I would like to hear from some who have used Carl's Menu Builder. What are its advantages and disadvantages for using to create menus for computers with Windows 95? From aabrams at american.edu Tue Sep 22 10:29:31 1998 From: aabrams at american.edu (Alicia Abramson) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Help with Web page sizing... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980922102931.0071cbe4@newton.library.american.edu> We have redesigned our home page only to discover that it doesn't quite fit entirely in the browser viewing area when users have a screen resolution of 640X480. Users with this resolution have to horizontally scroll to see the whole page. Does anyone have any HTML tricks or tips that would help us resolve this issue? If you'd like to see the page yourself, take a look at: http://www.library.american.edu/temp/newhome/test4.html. Thanks in advance for any help on this. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- | Alicia Abramson | * Head, Library Systems * | American University | * (202) 885-3228 * | aabrams@american.edu | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From amutch at tln.lib.mi.us Tue Sep 22 10:40:23 1998 From: amutch at tln.lib.mi.us (Andrew J. Mutch) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with Web page sizing... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980922102931.0071cbe4@newton.library.american.edu> Message-ID: Alicia, Your graphics are too big to fit into the 640 area. Taking a row across, they are: 216 320 208 = 744 pixels wide == users must scroll. You can try reducing image sizes to get within 600 pixels -- that's the defined table width. I would shrink the school photo first -- so you only have to do one -- and see if you can make it fit. Or, you can "fool" the browser by specifying the height and width tags for the images to something less than their actual size so that they "fit" but I'll probably get a slap on the wrist for suggesting that! Andrew Mutch Northville District Library Northville, MI On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Alicia Abramson wrote: > We have redesigned our home page only to discover that it doesn't quite fit > entirely in the browser viewing area when users have a screen resolution of > 640X480. Users with this resolution have to horizontally scroll to see the > whole page. > > Does anyone have any HTML tricks or tips that would help us resolve this > issue? > > If you'd like to see the page yourself, take a look at: > > http://www.library.american.edu/temp/newhome/test4.html. > > Thanks in advance for any help on this. > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > | Alicia Abramson | > * Head, Library Systems * > | American University | > * (202) 885-3228 * > | aabrams@american.edu | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > From msauers at bcr.org Tue Sep 22 10:58:26 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Help with Web page sizing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301bde639$738d3400$50912dc7@sauers.bcr.org> > Or, you can "fool" the browser by specifying the height and width tags for > the images to something less than their actual size so that they "fit" but > I'll probably get a slap on the wrist for suggesting that! Consider this you slap... To my students I call this the sillyputty(tm) effect. By doing this, not only will you get more distortion of the image than if you resize them in a graphics package but you won't reduce the file size this way and you'll just be wasting bandwidth. ----------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ "Sacrificing anonymity may be the next generation's price for keeping precious liberty, as prior generations paid it in blood." -- Hal Hornby Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ----------------------------------------------------- From jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us Tue Sep 22 10:57:25 1998 From: jfrasier at jefferson.lib.co.us (Jane Frasier) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: TAN Patron computer printing Message-ID: We are setting up networked printers for our public computers and want a simple program that will prompt the user for their name to identify their printout from other patrons'. We have looked at some options such as Pcounter and others but they are expensive and do way more than we need. Our workstations currently are a mix of Windows 95 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and printers are controlled by Windows NT 4. Does anyone have any suggestions? Jane Frasier Microcomputer Manager Jefferson County (CO) Public Library From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Sep 22 11:04:00 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Per View E-Journal Article Services Message-ID: _Per View E-Journal Article Services_ To my pleasant surprise, I recently learned that the American Chemical Society and the American Institute of Physics began offering full-text Web individual journal articles for sale over the Web. As noted in a summer issue of _The Seybold Report on Internet Publishing_ "Single articles are available for sale both to subscribers and to the general public, as well as to libraries, universities and other institutional customers." [June 1, 1998, v.2., no.10] I am greatly interested in learning about _other_ such services that offer *Per View / Pay-As-You-Use / Per Drink * access to _e-journal_ articles, preferrably for non-subscribers. [I am not interested in FAX (or other) non electronic delivery for this access option] I am most interested in those services that can provide **seemless** integration with existing E-Journal services provided by Aggregators or Abstracting and Indexing Services. As Always, Any and All Contributions, Queries, Questions, Concerns, Critiques, Comments, etc. are most well. Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Alan Kay From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Tue Sep 22 11:16:40 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: sunsite, NOT library Message-ID: Gentle Subscribers: We are still receiving a number of misdirected requests from individuals trying to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. to our OLD address. Please remember that the appropriate address for interacting with the ListProc software is: listserv@webjunction.org and to post: web4lib@webjunction.org Thanks! Roy Tennant Web4Lib Owner From msauers at bcr.org Tue Sep 22 11:58:29 1998 From: msauers at bcr.org (Michael Sauers) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Public Library Internet Access Policies Message-ID: <000201bde641$d7555b40$50912dc7@sauers.bcr.org> Fellow Web4Libbers; My wife and I are considering doing a follow-up to the Lake Oswego Public Library study of public library Internet access policies (http://www.ci.oswego.or.us/library/poli.htm). If any of you that are in public libraries would be so kind as to e-mail me a copy of your Internet access policy it would be greatly appreciated. Right now we're trying to get a feel of just what policies are including these days. If you do send your policy please include the following information: * "Internet Access Policy" as the subject line * Your name and e-mail address * Library Name * Approximate size of patron population Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------- Michael Sauers, Internet Trainer Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) Aurora, CO :: msauers@bcr.org www.bcr.org/~msauers The WWW Library Directory is @ www.webpan.com/msauers/libdir/ "Sacrificing anonymity may be the next generation's price for keeping precious liberty, as prior generations paid it in blood." -- Hal Hornby Opinions expressed are my own unless otherwise noted. ----------------------------------------------------- From bernies at uillinois.edu Tue Sep 22 12:09:51 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Per View E-Journal Article Services Message-ID: You might want to take a look at the Michigan/Elsevier "pricing field trial" called PEAK (Pricing Electronic Access to Knowledge). It's an experiment that's going on now involving ten university libraries and two corporate libraries, to determine pricing/licensing/subscription models libraries might prefer. It's not open to any libraries other than the trial participants at this point, but they are studying three licensing/pricing options for electronic access to Elsevier journals: 1. Per article -- Pay by the drink. 2. Traditional subscription -- i.e., subscription by title. 3. Generalized subscription -- sort of a "pay by the six pack" version of #1 above, with free refills. :-) You can get more details from the 8/14/98 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education (pp. A21-A22), or from the PEAK website: http://www.lib.umich.edu/libhome/peak Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Mckiernan [SMTP:GMCKIERN@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 10:29 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Per View E-Journal Article Services > > _Per View E-Journal Article Services_ > > To my pleasant surprise, I recently learned that the American > Chemical Society and the American Institute of Physics began offering > full-text Web individual journal articles for sale over the Web. > As noted in a summer issue of _The Seybold Report on Internet Publishing_ > "Single articles are available for sale both to subscribers and to the > general public, as well as to libraries, universities and other > institutional customers." [June 1, 1998, v.2., no.10] > > I am greatly interested in learning about _other_ such services > that offer *Per View / Pay-As-You-Use / Per Drink * access to > _e-journal_ articles, preferrably for non-subscribers. [I am not > interested > in FAX (or other) non electronic delivery for this access option] > > I am most interested in those services that can provide **seemless** > integration with existing E-Journal services provided by Aggregators > or Abstracting and Indexing Services. > > As Always, Any and All Contributions, Queries, Questions, Concerns, > Critiques, Comments, etc. are most well. > > Joy! > > Gerry McKiernan > Theoretical Librarian > and > Curator, CyberStacks(sm) > Iowa State University > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ > > "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" > Alan Kay > From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Tue Sep 22 11:38:56 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] TAN Patron computer printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980922113856.2a4ff824@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 08:20 AM 9/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >We are setting up networked printers for our public computers and want a >simple program that will prompt the user for their name to identify their >printout from other patrons'. . . . Forgive me if this is overly simplistic - but - all you need is a way to seperate and identify print jobs\printouts - why not just identify and label each station (Station 1, Station A, whatever) if you have not already. Then, put that same information into the banner of the respective printers - and enable banner. If you really want to seperate the jobs you could also enable form feed. This would begin each print job with a 'cover sheet' and end it with a blank page. Although this last step could result in a lot of wasted paper depending on the number of printouts. The printout comes out with a 'cover sheet' identifying it as being from Station X -- the patron looks at their machine and sees that they are sitting at Station X -- and goes and picks up the appropriate printout. That worked for us. We have recently had to start charging for printing so we use Q-View to put everything on hold until the patron is ready to pick it up. But even there the print jobs are identified by station number - not names. I know using names is more 'personal' but -- is there something else in your question that I am missing? Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From sdk at mindspring.com Tue Sep 22 13:04:54 1998 From: sdk at mindspring.com (Shirl Kennedy) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: Infoseek morphs into Infoseek express Message-ID: <009201bde64b$242804a0$8787b582@skennedy.clearwater.honeywell.com> >From ZDNet: "On Tuesday, Infoseek will announce a new search tool, dubbed "Infoseek Express," he said. The tool will offer faster and more comprehensive Web searches by simultaneously querying other major search engines. As the user reads the first set of results, the others are downloaded in the background, Motro said. The "Infoseek Express" site will go live Tuesday at www.express.infoseek.com..." >From Infoseek Express: "Express is different from other search engines because it runs within your Web browser, searches multiple search engines simultaneously, and provides an easier to use, faster interface. In addition, Express has an open architecture that allows for mass distribution, easy updates, and extensive personal customization... "Express lets you search Infoseek, Yahoo, Excite, and many other search engines all at the same time. You don't have repeat the same search on several sites to find good results. You can search more than 300 Web sites and search engines! You can also add your favorite sites for easy reference. "To use Express, you need: Windows 95/98 or Windows NT 4.0 Pentium processor or better recommended 32 MB of RAM 10 MB of available hard disk space At least an 800 ? 600 resolution display An Internet connection with at least a 28.8 modem One of the following Web browsers: Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.x or 4.x Netscape Navigator 3.x or 4.x Netscape Communicator 4.x" I'm in the process of downloading it now. Has anyone else used it yet? Shirl Kennedy Internet Waves columnist Information Today Best Bet Internet http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0838907121/002-3206652-8002207 From schmitz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG Tue Sep 22 17:04:14 1998 From: schmitz at AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG (Greg D. Schmitz) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help with Web page sizing... References: <3.0.1.32.19980922102931.0071cbe4@newton.library.american.edu> Message-ID: <360810CE.C98D95B4@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG> Looking quickly at your front page, I see two possible solutions: #1 Like others have said, you could either resize the photo of the library (I would do this in your graphics editor - having the browser scrunch it can indeed make the image lose a lot of the resolution), or shrinking the width of the menu bitmaps on the left and the right. Browsers are going to resize your table based on the width of the widest image. Either shrinking specific images, or shrinking the fonts of them all might fix the problem. #2 A faster solution that doesn't require you to change any of your graphics at all would be to move all of the items into one single column rather than two. If I was in a hurry, that might be the first one I'd try. Of course, this would mean that patrons would then have to scroll up and down on a 640x480 screen, but that kind of scrolling is more normal than sideways scrolling. Hope that helps, Greg D. Schmitz Oshkosh Public Library Alicia Abramson wrote: > We have redesigned our home page only to discover that it doesn't quite fit > entirely in the browser viewing area when users have a screen resolution of > 640X480. Users with this resolution have to horizontally scroll to see the > whole page. > > Does anyone have any HTML tricks or tips that would help us resolve this > issue? > > If you'd like to see the page yourself, take a look at: > > http://www.library.american.edu/temp/newhome/test4.html. > > Thanks in advance for any help on this. > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > | Alicia Abramson | > * Head, Library Systems * > | American University | > * (202) 885-3228 * > | aabrams@american.edu | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- -- Greg D. Schmitz | email: schmitz@winnefox.org Reference Librarian | Phone: (920) 236-5205 Oshkosh Public Library | Alt. Phone: (920) 236-5204 Oshkosh, WI 54901 | Fax: (920) 236-5227 http://axp.winnefox.org/www/ ________________________________________________________________________ From scottp at moondog.usask.ca Tue Sep 22 22:05:16 1998 From: scottp at moondog.usask.ca (Peter Scott) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: "Dynamic Drive" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This may appeal to people investigating Dynamic HTML http://dynamicdrive.com/ From cchick at earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 00:45:45 1998 From: cchick at earthlink.net (Cindy Chick) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:00 2005 Subject: LLRX Update for 9/15/98 Message-ID: <36087CF9.3AB3A771@earthlink.net> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Cindy Chick Subject: LLRX Update for 9/15/98 (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Size: 3983 Url: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980922/80e9ba8c/attachment.eml From rgeyer at adrian.adrian.edu Fri Sep 25 09:02:40 1998 From: rgeyer at adrian.adrian.edu (RICHARD GEYER) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: Job Posting Message-ID: <98092509024036@adrian.adrian.edu> From: ADRIAN::RGEYER "RICHARD GEYER" 22-SEP-1998 14:36:18.45 To: RGEYER CC: Subj: Job Posting ELECTRONIC RESOURCES LIBRARIAN. Adrian College invites applications for the new position of Electronic Resources Librarian. We are seeking an individual who will provide leadership in identifying, developing and coordinating electronic resources at the library, and helping to integrate them into the College's educational program. Responsibilities include: creation and maintenance of a library web page; coordination of the operation and upgrading of a DRA system; management of Internet, CD-ROM, satellite, digital imaging and networked resources; provision of related documentation and training of faculty and staff in the use of information resources and software. This position also includes assistance with reference desk coverage and participation in the library's bibliographic instruction program. Some evening/weekend hours. Required: ALA-accredited MLS, significant experience with computer hardware, software, and the Internet. Send cover letter, resume, and contact information for three references to: Richard Geyer, Head Librarian, Shipman Library, Adrian College, 110 South Madison, Adrian, Michigan 49221. Review of applications will begin October 9, 1998. EOE. From rhill at asis.org Fri Sep 25 09:41:26 1998 From: rhill at asis.org (Richard Hill) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: Global Information Access Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980925094126.00a51f50@mail.asis.org> Information Access in a Global Information Economy [Please excuse cross-posting.] ASIS 1998 Annual Meeting October 24-30, 1998, Pittsburgh Hilton, Pittsburgh, PA [Note: Hotel reservations must be made by 10/2 to get the best rate.] For complete conference description, schedule and registration information, see , email meetings@asis.org, call (301) 495-0900, or write to the address below. * Featured Sessions * HERBERT A. SIMON. Recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences, the National Medal of Science; the A.M. Turing Award of the Association for Computing Machinery (with Allen Newell)... recognized as part-founder of Artificial Intelligence, of cognitive science and of computer science. HAL R. VARIAN, Dean of the School of Information Management and Systems at the University of California at Berkeley; also Professor in the Haas School of Business & the Department of Economics. PERSPECTIVES ON UNIVERSAL SERVICE: MYTHS, REALTIES, AND MADNESS. John DeReuck, Johannes Bauer, Charles McClure, John Carlo Bertot, Andrew Magpantay, and Mickey Revenaugh. SAMPLE TOPICS: * NCLIS Hearings on Journal Pricing, Publishing, and Copyright ? NEW SESSION * New Interfaces for Information Visualization * UNICODE: Standards, Implementation Issues, & Future Directions * Using the Web for Global Business Intelligence * Designing Discipline-Oriented Information Systems * Classificatory Structures: Applications & Integration * Intellectual Property * Digital Libraries in the K-12 Environment * Retrieval of non-Textual Documents * The Ethics of Access: Global Perspectives * Knowledge Discovery in Databases -- Tools & Techniques for Collaboration * User Modeling Research & IR Systems Design * Information Retrieval Technology * Organizing Images/Visuo-Spatial Data for Retrieval: From Indexing to Metadata * Web Effects on Global Economies * Electronic Scholarship * International Classification and Subject Analysis Research * Web Searching * Economics of Web Link Collections * Cross Language Applications & Large Scale Vocabularies * Evaluating Services * Accessing Full-text: Integrating Electronic Resources * Social and Organizational Informatics Pre Conference Seminars (All courses 9-5 unless specified. Separate registration required.) Saturday, October 24 * Finding the Right Stuff: Using and Evaluating Internet Search Engines (Half Day, 9:00am - 1:00pm) * Vocabulary Management and Thesaurus Development Introduction to Dynamic HTML (DHTML)Part 1: JavaScript (Presented in cooperation with the University of Pittsburgh.) Sunday, October 25 * Introduction to Dynamic HTML (DHTML) Part 2: Cascading Style Sheets (Presented in cooperation with the University of Pittsburgh.) * Delivering Databases via the World Wide Web * Introduction to Image Databases * Digital Libraries: Computer Concepts & Technologies for Managing Library Collections * Building the Virtual "Intranet" Knowledge Center * The Role of Information Management In Knowledge Management - Stimulating Creativity and Innovation Through Information. * Statistics for Practitioners and Readers of Research: A Practical Update (Half day, 9:00am - Noon) * 9th Classification Research Workshop ( 8:30 am - 5:00 pm) American Society for Information Science 8720 Georgia Avenue, Suite 501 Silver Spring, MD 20910 (301) 495-0900 FAX (301) 495-0810 http://www.asis.org From pat_sherman at harvard.edu Fri Sep 25 10:15:54 1998 From: pat_sherman at harvard.edu (Pat Sherman) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: "Javascript URL targets" Message-ID: <199809251416.KAA14200@sylvia.harvard.edu> I received a message via this list from TMGB re "Javascript URL Targets." Unfortunately my screen freezes every time I try to open this message. Sometimes I get a window telling me that there is an error in Java script line 116. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there a simple solution? Thanks in advance for any help or advice. pat_sherman@harvard.edu From Ldavids at nwu.edu Fri Sep 25 11:38:56 1998 From: Ldavids at nwu.edu (Lloyd Davidson) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: Nature & Science on Ejournals & Elibs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980925103856.009c1a00@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Harnad, Stevan "On-line Journals and Financial Fire Walls." Nature 395 (10 Sept. 98), 127-128. (This essay forwards Nature's annual New Journals review supplement) Harnad's article begins with what I consider to be a somewhat overly optimistic vision of a future where "sooner or later, the entire corpus [of learned journal literature] will be fully and freely accessible and navigable from the desk of any thinker in the world." If such a world should ever materialize, it will probably be much "later" than "sooner." His argument seems to be that Ginsparg's physics archive (http://xxx.lanl.gov), along with similar archives for other disciplines (e.g. computer science and cognitive science at http://cogprints.soton.ac.uk), will soon make other forms of publishing obsolete as such services "go on to subsume (or subserve, rather) all the rest of the learned serial literature...." It is true that such archives are having a significant effect in the field of physics, although he doesn't mention that Ginsparg's archive is supported by a good sized NSF grant and, though free to the end user, is hardly free of cost, even if a good bargain relative to its amount of use (certainly better than many journals). He also discusses the cost of electronic V. paper publishing, which he says differs by either 70% or 30%. He firmly states that new electronic-only journals cost 70% less to publish than those on paper and that the relatively small 30% cost difference found in paper journals that shift to electronic production is primarily due to the inability or unwillingness of their publishers to restructure their operations so they take better advantage of online techniques. Changes such as having authors take over responsibility for doing their own editing and markup would, he feels, decrease their first-page costs considerably. These figures and analysis badly need verification and may not apply at all to major journals of high prestige such as Journal of Biological Chemistry, Nature, and Journal of the American Chemical Society. Harnad's solution to today's journal price rise dilemma is very straight forward indeed, although possibly just a bit naive: "There is a way, and it would allow individual scholars to have their cake and eat it too. The proposal is simple, and subversive. All authors should continue to entrust their work to the paper journals of their choice. But if, in addition, they were to publicly archive their pre-refereeing preprints and then their post- refereeing reprints on-line on their home servers, for free for all, then the de facto practices of the reader community would take care of the rest...; library serial cancellations, the collapse of the paper cardhouse, publisher perestroika, and a free for all, e-only serial corpus financed by author-end page charges would soon follow suit." Copyright laws, tenure decisions, accessibility problems and practical economic concerns, including the profit motive of publishers and other commercial concerns, such as meeting the needs of advertisers and professional writers and editors, will no doubt impede the implementation of this plan at least a little bit. Still, it probably will take an energetic idealist and visionary like Steve Harnad to begin to move things along and perhaps eventually overcome such barriers, if, indeed, they can be overcome. ------------------------------------------ Alper, Joseph "Assembling the World's Biggest Library on Your Desktop." Science 281 (5384) (18 Sept. 98), 1784-1786. This article describes the work being done on the "universal library" at Carnegie Mellon by Raj Reddy and Michael Shamos and various components that will make up such a system. Highlighted are the Medline concept space indexing project being tackled by Bruce Schatz and Hsinchun Chen at Urbana, IL and Tucson, AZ, and the Cha-Cha project of Marti Hearst at UC Berkeley (http://cha-cha.berkeley.edu), which is a search interface for use on large, heterogeneous web sites. Other innovative projects are also outlined, all of which are designed to begin to tame the massive amounts of data that libraries and others are making available on the Internet. While some of these projects may not have payoffs for 20 to 50 years (if ever), they are examples of the new ideas that are going into the design of online databases and search engines. Through their application we may begin to more easily extract meaningful information from text, images (still, 3D and moving) maps, sounds, music and even raw databases and make it usefully accessible to researchers and others who search for material on the Web. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lloyd A. Davidson Life Sciences Librarian and Head, Access Services Seeley G. Mudd Library for Science and Engineering 2233 N. Campus Drive Northwestern University Evanston, IL 60208 Ldavids@nwu.edu (847)491-2906 (Voice) (847)491-4655 (fax) From gpoitras at ggu.edu Fri Sep 25 11:48:49 1998 From: gpoitras at ggu.edu (Gilles Poitras) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would recommend some other books on web design, both by Robin Williams. The Non-Designer's Design Book The Non-Designer's Web Book Both are worth getting and clearly deal with many simple points to good design. In fact I recommend any book she has written, this woman's motto is "People aren't stupid, they just don't know" Which I told her once should be a slogan for librarians. Gilles Poitras gpoitras@ggu.edu Golden Gate University - University Library From CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca Fri Sep 25 12:01:04 1998 From: CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca (Cameron Metcalf) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Help wanted - Choosing a book! (fwd) Message-ID: <98Sep25.121825edt.18461@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> Hey all, Just wanted to support Gilles' suggestions. The books by Robin Williams are well-crafted, organized and are fluently written. I've enjoyed her *Non-Designer's Design Book* especially. Cameron Metcalf >>> Gilles Poitras 09/25/98 12:02PM >>> I would recommend some other books on web design, both by Robin Williams. The Non-Designer's Design Book The Non-Designer's Web Book Both are worth getting and clearly deal with many simple points to good design. In fact I recommend any book she has written, this woman's motto is "People aren't stupid, they just don't know" Which I told her once should be a slogan for librarians. Gilles Poitras gpoitras@ggu.edu Golden Gate University - University Library From cmerat at liberty.edu Fri Sep 25 15:22:10 1998 From: cmerat at liberty.edu (Carl Merat) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! Message-ID: <199809251629.JAA29887@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Another title that's becoming a little dated is Darrell Sano's "Designing large-scale web sites: a visual design methodology." It illustrates the range of issues from a simple design perspective to the more involved perspective of the field becoming a discipline. Carl Merat Technical Services Librarian Liberty University ---------- > From: kristinh@lv.is > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Help wanted - Choosing a book! > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 6:49 AM > > > > > Hello Web4Lib people, > I would very much appreciate your help here. I'm told - one of those - if > not both - are excellent - Which one do you recommend? > > Creating Killer Interactive Web Sites : The Art of Integrating > Interactivity and Design > Andrew Sather (Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568303734 > > Creating Killer Web Sites, Second Edition > David S. Siegel, David Seigel / Paperback / Published 1997 > ISBN: 1568304331 > > I would be greatful for any comments. > > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir > Information Architect > Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company > Haaleitisbraut 68 > 103 Reykjavik > Iceland > Tel: +354-515-9111 > Fax: +354-515-9116 > e-mail: kristinh@lv.is > Web: http://www.lv.is/enska > > Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ > > ******************************************** > Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that > cannot fly. > - Langston Hughes From pappasc at sls.lib.il.us Fri Sep 25 16:25:04 1998 From: pappasc at sls.lib.il.us (Cleo Pappas) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: <360BFC1F.E66C6168@sls.lib.il.us> Thank you to all of you who responded to my question regarding the disabling of the Netscape history function. Sincerely, Cleo Pappas From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Fri Sep 25 16:32:43 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:02 2005 Subject: New Online web based collection catalog of works by Lee Browne Coye Message-ID: <001f01bde8c3$a5fc8b20$0853cc88@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu> I am proud to announce the opening of a new web based catalog of the art work of Lee Browne Coye. The catalog is of art work owned by our library. It is currently under very heavy construction and will be for quite awhile. I am scanning in all of his art works that we own plus a large set of other related materials. Lee Browne Coye lived in Hamilton, NY and was an illustrator and artist. He did illustrations primarily for pulp fantasy magazines and for such publishers as Arkham House. He illustrated many of the works of H.P. Lovecraft. I am currently trying to locate any photographs of him that I might be able to borrow for scanning. The only pictures I have of him are very poor quality newspaper photos. I am also looking for input on the design and feel of the pages. Please do not tell me how long they take to load. It will take awhile because of the number of images. The URL is: http://www.morrisville.edu/pages/library/coye/ We are using our Minolta PS 3000 scanner with Epic 3000 software. The majority of his work was black and white so this scanner is excellent for this project. The images are all in gif format so far because of space restrictions. I will scan any color works of art on a different scanner. The catalog itself may take some time to load as there are many images in it. There will eventually be over 48 in the catalog as well as scans of related materials from Lee Browne Coye Collection. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill"); Associate Librarian (Systems, Reference) President, SUNY Librarians Association (SUNYLA) SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 E-mail: drewwe@morrisville.edu powwow:drewwe@wedrew.lib.morrisville.edu Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: Not Just Cows: LibraryLinks: SUNYLA: -- From bryanw at esinet.net Sat Sep 26 14:05:55 1998 From: bryanw at esinet.net (Bryan Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:03 2005 Subject: Public Access Manager Message-ID: <002401bde978$4ed19fb0$016697cb@dell> Exhibited at ALA and PLA, a new software program for managing Win 95/98 patron PC's has been released. PAM's features include; OS security, set session time and printing limits, URL restriction, auto end-of-day PC shutdown, runs within intranet (included), optional patron logon, PC vending mode for printer charges and easy network setup. Details at http://www.invortex.com, including demo software and documentation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980926/ed0996a4/attachment.htm From glepkey at julian.uwo.ca Sat Sep 26 16:57:28 1998 From: glepkey at julian.uwo.ca (Gay Lepkey) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:03 2005 Subject: Library Web site ROI Message-ID: <360D5538.1421BAB1@julian.uwo.ca> I am looking for substantive examples of ROI / Cost-Benefit analyses of library and/or archive Web sites or non-profit organization sites, which either have been Internet or print published. Existing library and archive Web sites run the gamut between Information pages (electronic business cards) to complex Web sites providing both information and services. All of them cost money and organizational resources to design, publish and maintain. Few, if any, either seek to recover costs from site users or market other products as commercial, e-commerce sites commonly do. If, as current management theory would have it (eg. Hallows. Information systems project management. c1998), intangible benefits are not benefits at all, then on what basis are ROI / C-B analyses of NPO Web sites to be arrived at? According to Hallows, a benefit either saves money for an organization or generates profits. Queries: 1. Are hard numbers available for NPO Web sites? 2. If Web sites attract users, does an increase in users statistics result in funding increases? 3. Are there any measurable benefits to providing information and services free of charge to site visitors from outside of the organization's jurisdiction? 4. Why do libraries and archives publish and maintain Web sites often at great expense? a. Because it can be done? b. Because everyone else is doing it? Gay Lepkey MLIS Program Faculty of Information & Media Studies (FIMS) University of Western Ontario London, Ontario From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Sat Sep 26 17:33:45 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:03 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "Javascript URL targets" References: <199809251416.KAA14200@sylvia.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <360D5DB8.883EB280@am.appstate.edu> The message contains html source code directly from two different html pages. It appears your mail reader is trying to directly read that part just as if it were an html page being read by a browser. What email client are you using? And what version? Any other pertinent information may be helpful such as OS, etc. If you are using hotmail or some other WEB based email client, that may be the problem. Thomas Pat Sherman wrote: > I received a message via this list from TMGB re "Javascript URL Targets." > Unfortunately my screen freezes every time I try to open this message. > Sometimes I get a window telling me that there is an error in Java script > line 116. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there a simple solution? > > Thanks in advance for any help or advice. > > pat_sherman@harvard.edu -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From bboru at si.umich.edu Sat Sep 26 18:42:06 1998 From: bboru at si.umich.edu (bboru@si.umich.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:03 2005 Subject: Library Web site ROI Message-ID: I can't imagine anyone would seriously entertain that intangible benefits are not benefits. Is this to say that only *quantifiable* benefits merit the label? This sounds to me like a justification for avoiding the critical, complex task of evaluating an organization's efforts in terms of its mission. Certainly, quantitative analysis is useful as a tool, but to rely on it as the sole means of assessment is perverse. Forgive me if I've been overly general in response to a specific request. It's just that the assertion struck me as facile, to say the least. Respectfully, Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Sheppard 321 8th St. Ann Arbor, MI 48103 E-mail: bboru@alumni.si.umich.edu From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Sun Sep 27 03:19:46 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Web site ROI In-Reply-To: <360D5538.1421BAB1@julian.uwo.ca> Message-ID: I don't know you from Adam, Gay -- so please do not take this personally -- but -- YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!! This whole note sounds like something out of a Dilbert cartoon. >. . . > >Existing library and archive Web sites run the gamut between Information >pages (electronic business cards) to complex Web sites providing both >information and services. Existing libraries and many non-profit agencies run much the same gamut. Thank the gods and goddesses --- we need this diversity >All of them cost money and organizational >resources to design, publish and maintain. Few, if any, either seek to >recover costs from site users or market other products as commercial, >e-commerce sites commonly do. Of course they don't -- that is not their function - and is probably not the function of the institution that sponsors them. > >If, as current management theory would have it (eg. Hallows. >Information systems project management. c1998), intangible benefits are >not benefits at all, What a load of Orwellian RUBBISH You can't put a price tag on the ability to see a beautiful sunrise - But if you don't think that is a benefit - - - Ok - let's be more mundane -- You can't point to a specific ledger entry showing a profit from having toilet paper in the restrooms - as opposed to discarded newspapers -- which would serve the same purpose at a much lower cost --- Do you really want to argue that is not a benefit? >then on what basis are ROI / C-B analyses of NPO > Web sites to be arrived at? According to Hallows, a benefit either > saves money for an organization or generates profits. >1. Are hard numbers available for NPO Web sites? What numbers do you want? Numbers of hits? Ask their network admin - but these numbers are largely as meaningless for NPOs and libraries as they are for anyone else - because the do not tell you why the person came to that site - or what they went away with. >2. If Web sites attract users, does an increase in users statistics result >in funding increases? I would suspect not - particularly in the world of NPD's - unless the Web site is used for fund raising. Having been involved in several NPO's I can assure you that with or without the web - the size of the population served and the amount of funding are only very loosely related -- The first always outstrips the last. >3. Are there any measurable benefits to providing information and services >free of charge to site visitors from outside of the >organization's jurisdiction? Or within the organization's jurisdiction for that matter?? Wouldn't it be far cheaper to have like one huge central library in region - where all the schools could send their people?? Why the savings in janitorial service alone would be enormous. Unless libraries in Canada are much different than they are here - they generate no FTU (Full Time Student Equivalents) therefore - the do not figure in the granting of government money - nor do they generate any profit for the institution - OK -- I overstate my case -- without a library that meets certain minimum requirements - the institution loses its accreditation and cannot attract students. But most schools I know attempt to far exceed those standards -- why??? Why do we keep a copy of Shakespeare on the shelves? Why do we put art on our walls? Why do we have upholstered furniture and carpeted floors? There are far less expensive alternatives to all of these that would serve exactly the same - tangible - purpose. I would expect talk like this from administrative bean counters in a world where libraries and related services are sometimes seen as money pits. But to hear it from someone in the library community is very disturbing. >4. Why do libraries and archives publish and maintain Web sites often at >great expense? > a. Because it can be done? Probably > b. Because everyone else is doing it? No doubt in many cases - All of the pundits have convinced us that this is the "wave of the future" which - said loud enough and long enough becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone once called the Web the CB radio of the 90's -- my older friends here in the states will appreciate the analogy -- even if it is a bit of a stretch. Yes - in a world of limited resources - libraries and NPO's - and business and individiuals -- must learn to take a close look at how they are spending those resources. Libraries, for instance, MUST develop tools and technigues to gather feedback from within and from outside their institution to determine if the Web site (and everything else we do for that matter) is consistant with the Purpose Statement of the Institution - and if it is helping the institution achieve it's stated goals. But - when that achievement or those goals are narrowed down to figures on a balance sheet -- we are living in a very very sad world. I have no doubt that your Dr. Hallows is far more educated than I am - and you likely may be yourself. And, I may have said some things that betray a grave ignorance of library science (I have two Masters' but neither is an MLS -- I'm just the technical grunt here) -- but -- I have to take --strong-- exception to the basic assumption here - to the contrary - I would almost go so far as to say that intangible benefits are the only TRUE benefits. I hope for your sake, Gay, this was just an academic exercise. And again I meant no personal offense at all. But if this reflects your true philoshopy of life - I do feel sorry for you -- it must be an immensely sad and empty life. If not now - it will be when you are older. My apologies to my friends on the list for this lengthy tirade - please do not flame me -- I've said my piece and will retire to my server room to clean my pocket protectors. But this whole basic assumption just struck a nerve with me -- I hope I am not alone. Opinions stated are obviously strictly my own -- don't blame my bosses :) Paul H. Gray VOICE - (817)515-6623 L. R. Manager FAX - (817)515-6275 TCJC NE LRC E-MAIL - phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us 828 Harwood Rd Hurst, TX 76054 From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Sep 27 08:38:31 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: Library Web site ROI In-Reply-To: <199809270939.CAA18167@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980927083831.015ec698@panix.com> >Existing library and archive Web sites run the gamut between Information >pages (electronic business cards) to complex Web sites providing both >information and services. All of them cost money and organizational >resources to design, publish and maintain. Few, if any, either seek to >recover costs from site users or market other products as commercial, >e-commerce sites commonly do. Yes, and strangely enough, we give away books for free, as well. All we ask is that you bring them back. >Web sites to be arrived at? According to Hallows, a benefit either >saves money for an organization or generates profits. This rather Malthusian picture of the world may well suit the for-profit environment. However, when we are discussing libraries, particularly public and academic libraries, one point to keep in mind is that libraries deliberately operate at a loss. You would have to redefine what a "profit" is to place most library benefits within the "Hallows" framework. >4. Why do libraries and archives publish and maintain Web sites often at >great expense? > a. Because it can be done? > b. Because everyone else is doing it? Because we're rather fond of lifelong learning, pleasure reading, and other activities related to the pursuit of happiness. Now, having said that, it is worth asking how your library website complements your mission. A very good introduction to some of the services library websites can make possible or facilitate is Volume 15, Number 3-4 of Library Hi-Tech (1997), which was a special issue devoted to "the best library-related web sites." Advertising, patron assistance, access to databases, special guides and webliographies, training materials, press releases and library-advocacy propaganda are just a few of the benefits of a library website. _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Sep 27 09:05:04 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: Anecdotes re medicine on the web (and time control) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980927090504.015fc58c@panix.com> This is a portmanteau message--first to say THANKS for all the great input on time control and resource management tools for public Internet use--I received so much mail, and so many good ideas, that I am deferring the columns for a month while I pull all of this good info together! It will be hard to squeeze all of the good input into 1600 words (two columns)! If you had an idea you wanted to share, or a product you'd like me to look at, my new deadline for input on the topics of time control and resource management is October 10. If you sent me something and you didn't hear back, it's because I received more mail on this topic than I believe I have ever received on any other request for input. Meanwhile, for the very, very next column I'm writing, I'm going to do an overview of basic medical resources on the Internet, geared for librarians new to using the Internet as a reference tool. If you have one favorite medical resource on the 'net, or an anecdote of how a medical resource on the Internet helped a patron, I'd love to hear from you before September 29. Please be sure to include job title, organization, city and state. Thanks in advance-- _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz Sun Sep 27 20:48:36 1998 From: GLEN at rimu.cce.ac.nz (Glen Davies) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: Netscape timeout to homepage solution Message-ID: <226EF076F47@rimu.cce.ac.nz> Hi I have been using a combination of Batsh and MS System Agent to close all Netscape windows and then restart Netscape on our win95 OPACs for about two weeks now with no problems. Brief details of this solution to that age old question "how to I get Netscape to timeout to the homepage?" can be found at http://www.angelfire.com/in/flict It is a very quick and dirty description at this stage. I will try and expand it a bit more as time allows. It can be easily modified to work with Internet Explorer. Regards Glen ******************************************** Glen Davies IT Librarian Christchurch College of Education Dovedale Ave Christchurch Ph. 64-3-343 7737 glen@rimu.cce.ac.nz ************************************************ The more I read, the more questions I have. Everytime I pass a library I get an anxiety attack. O'Neill in "SeaQuest DSV" (1993) ************************************************ From agionet at nucleus.com Sun Sep 27 22:18:57 1998 From: agionet at nucleus.com (Andre Gionet) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: Library Web site ROI References: Message-ID: <360EF211.AFCDB0D3@nucleus.com> Paul H. Gray a ?crit: > I would expect talk like this from administrative bean counters in a world > where libraries and related services are sometimes seen as money pits. But > to hear it from someone in the library community is very disturbing. I couldn't say it better myself. Everyone knows that administrative bean counters are resilient and widespread creatures. Perhaps Gay should come forward and give us some background information as to why he wants to do such a research. > I have no doubt that your Dr. Hallows is far more educated than I am - and > you likely may be yourself. And, I may have said some things that betray a > grave ignorance of library science (I have two Masters' but neither is an > MLS -- I'm just the technical grunt here) -- That's O.K., Paul. I'm sure many librarians, like me, will be happy to know that there's at least one techie who wants to be our friend. :-) Speaking on the ROI for a Web site, just think of libraries that subscribe to databases accessible via the Web instead of getting CD-ROMs, or have a trained operator acting as an intermediary for a command-based online service. The benefits I see at first glance: - the library doesn't have to buy CD-ROM towers - updates are done on the vendor side - real-time updates (no need to wait for the next CD) - more pleasant interfaces for the end-user - end-users can do their searches when they want (instead or relying on the kindness of a stranger) - availability to an unlimited number of users (in theory) However, in those days of right-sizing, we should be aware that most of the time, money talks. Even though we may have some questions about Gay's work, we should nonetheless learn about the weapons of the administrative bean counters. ;-) -- Andre Gionet Calgary, Alberta agionet@nucleus.com From tom.raffensperger at hct.ac.ae Mon Sep 28 02:18:07 1998 From: tom.raffensperger at hct.ac.ae (Tom Raffensperger) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:04 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Web site ROI References: <360D5538.1421BAB1@julian.uwo.ca> Message-ID: <360F2A1F.CE5516DF@hct.ac.ae> Gay, Since the mission of non-profit organizations is not (surprise) profits, a bottom-line approach is ineffective in guaging benefits. Defining measurable outcomes in a non-profit environment is challenging. Peter Drucker evaluates non-profit organizations according to "clarity of mission, innovative ability, clear definition of results and willingness to measure performance". Measuring performance is difficult in that it must take into consideration the value/efficacy of services in relation to costs. I think the challenge for us is to find new ways of measuring previously "intangible" benefits. There is a fairly large body of literature on management and assessment of NPOs. That might be a good place to start. An example comes from Gordon Dabbs' article "Nonprofit businesses in the 1990s: models for success" (Business Horizons, Sept-Oct 1991 v34 n5 p68:4): "Researchers must not, as previously observed, apply a criterion of sales and monetary return to nonprofit organizations. The intention of these groups is not to make money, but, as Gaudino observed, to communicate. These businesses seek to distribute money or disseminate scientific, religious, or other information. Thus, whereas profit seekers must balance the interests of stockholders against those of the customer, nonprofits seek to satisfy the needs of the customer or associate." Tom ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _ _ ? Tom Raffensperger !! _ / \ /" Librarian and Instructor @\ / \ (_/ \_//\) Ras Al Khaimah Colleges {/\\_/ \_ | __ _/ United Arab Emirates \_ __ | ) /| | \ tom.raffensperger@hct.ac.ae || || l l l l http://rkw.hct.ac.ae ll ll ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gay Lepkey wrote: >... >If, as current management theory would have it (eg. Hallows. > Information systems project management. c1998), intangible benefits are > not benefits at all, then on what basis are ROI / C-B analyses of NPO > Web sites to be arrived at? According to Hallows, a benefit either > saves money for an organization or generates profits. > From anaworth at usp.br Tue Sep 29 22:45:50 1998 From: anaworth at usp.br (Ana Duckworth) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: Web uses for the deaf Message-ID: <36119B5E.4868@spider.usp.br> On Tue., 28 Sept. a998, Ana Duckworth wrote: Hello! I'm looking for information on Web applications for deaf students on educational, communication and virtual libraries perpectives. How is the deaf community using the net? There is someone in the list who is working with this? I'm a librarian in Brazil working in a research project in a local public school for the deaf and would really appreciate any help. Thanks a lot, Ana From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Wed Sep 30 07:39:54 1998 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Graphics problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980929162123.007cee20@library2.webster.edu> Message-ID: <001a01bdec67$0aacdf10$711e99c0@ohiolink.edu> > > I created a series of navigational buttons that appear at the top and > bottom of most of the pages on my library's home page > (). An example is the database page > (). Seemingly > overnight (perhaps > after a full moon?), the graphics began to look like they were slightly > askew... A couple of observations. First, there is an unclosed at the beginning of the icon bar on some or all of your pages. This might affect a browser's display. Second, for better or for worse, the convention for button images is increasingly to a a border=0 attribute to the IMG tag. Third, your databases page has a FORM tag outside the BODY tag. This probably doesn't affect the display, but could well affect how or whether the form functions. (The only inputs I can see on your pages are JavaScript-only, which means that I, for one, can't use them since I usually browse with JavaScript turned off.) I recommend first that you validate your markup and second that you try, e.g.: [Eden-Webster Library home page] [SiteSearch]... Thomas Dowling OhioLINK - Ohio Library and Information Network tdowling@ohiolink.edu From pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org Wed Sep 30 04:23:39 1998 From: pchen at cwmarsmail.cwmars.org (Pingsheng Chen) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: add a search enging for a site? Message-ID: <199809301219.IAA05545@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Hi Everybody, I am thinking about adding a search function to search a website which I work on. Please give me some how-to-do advice. Thank you in advance. Pingsheng Chen Electronic Services/Reference Librarian Worcester Public Library From bishopk at rpi.edu Wed Sep 30 12:22:21 1998 From: bishopk at rpi.edu (Kevin W. Bishop) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: spelling conventions Message-ID: <199809301624.MAA15470@mail1.its.rpi.edu> This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? Internet / internet Web / web Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page Website / website // Web site / web site I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. -kb (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) __________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 bishopk@rpi.edu http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo __________________________________________ From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Sep 30 12:48:39 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions Message-ID: Actually, I don't think it's a silly question. I've wondered the same when writing grant proposals. I can't point you to a source that helps, but if I had to vote on style and convention, I would pick: Web page Web site (I agree on the capitalization of "Internet" and "Web"). Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin W. Bishop [SMTP:bishopk@rpi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions > > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) > > > __________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > bishopk@rpi.edu > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > __________________________________________ From hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us Wed Sep 30 13:23:42 1998 From: hensley at sonoma.lib.ca.us (Susan Hensley) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions In-Reply-To: <199809301624.MAA15470@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: Web Lexicography in the making! I would also like to know the correct way to refer to: Meta Data MetaData META DATA ?? I've seen all of these in print and after a while, nothing looks "right" - Susan Hensley ******************************************* Internet Librarian Sonoma County Library hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) > > > __________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > bishopk@rpi.edu > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > __________________________________________ > > From pfa at umich.edu Wed Sep 30 13:25:22 1998 From: pfa at umich.edu (P. F. (Pat) Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Web uses for the deaf In-Reply-To: <36119B5E.4868@spider.usp.br> Message-ID: The woman who manages the Sign Writing web site is doing a great deal in this area. She is wonderful -- very approachable, passionate, sincere. She cares a great deal about this topic. You can contact her via the web site, at: http://www.signwriting.org/ >I'm looking for information on Web applications for deaf students on >educational, communication and virtual libraries perpectives. How is the >deaf community using the net? There is someone in the list who is >working with this? I'm a librarian in Brazil working in a research >project in a local public school for the deaf and would really >appreciate any help. > >Thanks a lot, Ana . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P. F. (Pat) Anderson "What speech! Here, the retarded Dentistry Library, Univ. Michigan monkey in me tries to combine 1100 Dental Bldg. intelligence & void, stupidity 1011 North University Ave. & the improbable." Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1078 734/763-2953, voice Odysseas Elytis, trans Olga 734/764-4477, fax Broumas, _Eros, Eros, Eros_, Internet: pfa@umich.edu "As the Oyster So Its Pearl," WWW: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/ (c)1998. WWW: http://www.lib.umich.edu/libhome/Dentistry.lib/ From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Sep 30 13:29:05 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: spelling conventions Message-ID: I'll add "metadata" to the list (no caps). Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Hensley [SMTP:hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 12:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: spelling conventions > > > Web Lexicography in the making! > I would also like to know the correct way to refer to: > > Meta Data > > MetaData > > META DATA > > ?? > > I've seen all of these in print and after a while, nothing looks "right" - > > > Susan Hensley > ******************************************* > Internet Librarian > Sonoma County Library > hensley@sonoma.lib.ca.us > **************(707)545-0831*ext.525******** > > > > On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > > > > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > > > Internet / internet > > Web / web > > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > > Website / website // Web site / web site > > > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of > these > > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake > of > > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > > > -kb > > > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... > ??) > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > Kevin W. Bishop > > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > > bishopk@rpi.edu > > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > > __________________________________________ > > > > From GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Wed Sep 30 13:52:20 1998 From: GMCKIERN at gwgate.lib.iastate.edu (Gerry Mckiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: Just-in-Time(sm): Electronic Article Delivery Services Message-ID: _Just-in-Time(sm): Electronic Article Delivery Services_ I am pleased to announce the established of a new clearinghouse devoted to Electronic Article Delivery Services called _Just-in-Time(sm)_ The address for Just-in-Time(sm) is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Just.htm _Just-In-Time (sm): Electronic Article Delivery Services_ is a clearinghouse of projects, research, products and services which are investigating or provide desktop access, on a 'As Needed' basis, to individual journal, magazine, newspaper, or other serial publication article, chapter, or paper for which an individual or institution does not have a formal subscription. Entries have been organized in categories that characterize the scope of service and within each arranged alphabetically by the name of the service, project, or publisher. I am greatly interested in learning about _other_ such services that offer *Per View / Pay-As-You-Use / Per Drink * access to _e-journal_ articles, preferrably for non-subscribers that are not presently listed. [I am not interested in FAX (or other) non electronic delivery for this access option] [If my headcold gets better, I plan to add a description of the services provided by The Electric Library, KnowledgeLink InfoMarket, ChemWeb and MedWeb(?), by the end of this week.] I also plan to add key reference that further describe a service as well as a General Bibliography that will include items that discuss the issue of Pay-Per-View access in general and would greatly appreciate appropriate citations that are **not** cited on a service site or already provided to me in response to my earlier post [Thank you all once again for your interest and time in nominating candidates and for citations to your work!] As in my previous posting, I am most interested in those services that can provide **seamless** integration with existing E-Journal services provided by Aggregators or Abstracting and Indexing Services. As Always, Any and All Contributions, Queries, Questions, Concerns, Critiques, Comments, etc. are most well. Joy! Gerry McKiernan Theoretical Librarian and Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "The Best Way to Predict the Future is To Invent It!" Alan Kay From zillman at botspot.com Wed Sep 30 14:02:05 1998 From: zillman at botspot.com (Marcus P. Zillman, M.S., A.M.H.A.) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] add a search enging for a site? References: <199809301219.IAA05545@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org> Message-ID: <3612721D.2B5F01B0@botspot.com> Pingsheng: Try the following for many SearchBots that you can have search your website: http://www.botspot.com/search/ Click on SearchBots and you will bring up a comprehensive current database of SearchBots many of which you can use on your website. Also http://www.botspot.com/faqs/ under articles and papers have some excellent "how to" information as well... Cheers Marcus Pingsheng Chen wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I am thinking about adding a search function to search a website > which I work on. Please give me some how-to-do advice. Thank you in > advance. > > Pingsheng Chen > Electronic Services/Reference Librarian > Worcester Public Library From sbero at rolling-meadows.lib.il.us Wed Sep 30 14:13:17 1998 From: sbero at rolling-meadows.lib.il.us (Bero, Stephen) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: spelling conventions Message-ID: <01BDEC74.17775560@wkst124.rolling-meadows.lib.il.us> IMHO: Just as countries, cities, bodies of water are capitalized the Internet and the World Wide Web as "locations" in cyberspace should be capitalized. I favor writing compound nouns as one word where feasible, especially where only two component words are involved, e.g., desktop, toolbar, workstation, and hence Website and homepage. You may find the following book useful, if not necessarily authoritative. Wired Style: Principles of English Usage in the Digital Age, from the editors of Wired and edited by Constance Hale (HardWired 1996, ISBN 1-888869-01-1). Stephen P. Bero Head of Technology Services Rolling Meadows Library 3110 Martin Lane Rolling Meadows, Illinois 60008-2698 Vox (847)259-6050 ext. 137 FAX (847)259-5319 mailto:sbero@rolling-meadows.lib.il.us WWW http://www.rolling-meadows.lib.il.us/ The most basic and universal of all human enterprises is the storage, processing, and retrieval of information. -- adapted from Lewis Thomas ---------- From: Kevin W. Bishop[SMTP:bishopk@rpi.edu] Reply To: bishopk@rpi.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? Internet / internet Web / web Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page Website / website // Web site / web site I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. -kb (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) __________________________________________ Kevin W. Bishop Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 bishopk@rpi.edu http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo __________________________________________ From walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us Wed Sep 30 14:39:11 1998 From: walterm at nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (Walter Minkel) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] RE: spelling conventions In-Reply-To: <01BDEC74.17775560@wkst124.rolling-meadows.lib.il.us> Message-ID: Folks-- Two of us in this department have recently contributed to books published by ALA Editions and Neal-Schuman, and the editors there insist on "Web site" as two words. One thing I've seen fairly frequently, though, is "Web site" (Web capitalized) and "website" (lowercase) in the same place. Where are the proactive lexicographers to settle the issue? 8-{)> --W On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Bero, Stephen wrote: > IMHO: Just as countries, cities, bodies of water are capitalized the Internet and the World Wide Web as "locations" in cyberspace should be capitalized. > > I favor writing compound nouns as one word where feasible, especially where only two component words are involved, e.g., desktop, toolbar, workstation, and hence Website and homepage. > > You may find the following book useful, if not necessarily authoritative. > Wired Style: Principles of English Usage in the Digital Age, from the editors of Wired and edited by Constance Hale (HardWired 1996, ISBN 1-888869-01-1). > > Stephen P. Bero > Head of Technology Services > Rolling Meadows Library > 3110 Martin Lane > Rolling Meadows, Illinois 60008-2698 > Vox (847)259-6050 ext. 137 > FAX (847)259-5319 > mailto:sbero@rolling-meadows.lib.il.us > WWW http://www.rolling-meadows.lib.il.us/ > > The most basic and universal of all human enterprises is the storage, processing, and retrieval of information. -- adapted from Lewis Thomas > > > ---------- > From: Kevin W. Bishop[SMTP:bishopk@rpi.edu] > Reply To: bishopk@rpi.edu > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions > > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) > > > __________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > bishopk@rpi.edu > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > __________________________________________ > > > > Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212 Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us ============== Look! A Toyota! Kool! --Palindrome of the Month From mcculley at best.com Wed Sep 30 14:59:34 1998 From: mcculley at best.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions In-Reply-To: <199809301624.MAA15470@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <199809301900.MAA07284@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date sent: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Send reply to: bishopk@rpi.edu From: "Kevin W. Bishop" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) Kevin, Lots of these stylistic are up for variations, but a few have settled down by convention and usage in the past few years. Take a look at the PC Webopaedia, at http://www.webopedia.com/ which can be useful in these areas -though not necessarily definitive. I believe almost all of the terms you noted are listed there. The Wired text cited earlier here is good, but I've often found reasons to disagree with some of their choices. Nonetheless, it's a valuable resource if you need style assistance. Some of the newspaper style guides have started including these types of words in their newer versions as well now. I'm not sure about the Chicago Manual of Style in the more recent editions. I recommend for usage and standards within a Web site (note that's my usage for the term) that it's important to be consistent in the site itself -and perhaps also post your style guide and glossary of terms for your users to consult. These things flux over time, and new ones come along to keep the game afoot. On your particulars, and the one on metadata, below are my recommendations: > Internet / internet Internet capitals for the networked global system derived from the original ARPANET. Lower-case internet can refer to any network organization such as LANs, WANs, in certain conditions. Internetworking refers to hosts or computers exchanging data, bits and bytes, packets, etc. > Web / web Web with capitals is generally referring to the World Wide Web per se. Lower-case web would be the spider's web, but that's another story ;) > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page Here, it's a matter of choice to some extent on compound nouns, but I prefer Web page. > Website / website // Web site / web site  As above, I prefer Web site for a location on the World Wide Web.  Metadata I think is fairly well standardized as a compound noun, and usually seen lower-case I believe. With a possessive, eg. the XYZ Project Metadata, it would likely be capitalized. Stuff for lexiographers to sift through, I'm sure... Best regards, Michael McCulley mcculley@best.com From duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu Wed Sep 30 15:33:46 1998 From: duncanr at lafvax.lafayette.edu (Bob Duncan) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980930153346.007b0d90@lafvax.lafayette.edu> At 12:33 PM 9/30/98, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: >This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > >Internet / internet >Web / web >Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page >Website / website // Web site / web site While I wouldn't take this as definitive usage, the W3C has the following text (from the Head of Communications) on their site: "...simplifies Website maintenance, promotes Web page accessibility, and makes the Web faster." (09/30) Website but Web page. Go figure. Maybe one's to be used when referring to pages coded according to HTML3 and the other's to be used for pages coded according to HTML4? ;) Bob Duncan ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` Robert E. Duncan Systems Librarian David Bishop Skillman Library Lafayette College Easton, PA 18042 610-330-5156 duncanr@lafayette.edu http://www.library.lafayette.edu From sgarrett at usa.net Wed Sep 30 16:07:34 1998 From: sgarrett at usa.net (Susan Garrett) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: Book Sale Message-ID: <199809302007.OAA04561@mail.iex.net> Saturday, October 17th, from 9 am - 3 pm the Security Public Library will be having its fall book sale. Books are $.75, paperbacks are $.50. From 2-3 pm it is books by the bag, bag of books for $2.00. Susan Schmitz-Garrett Security Public Library Head of Public Services 715 Aspen Drive Security, Co 80911 719-392-8912 From librarian at towergroup.com Wed Sep 30 16:12:34 1998 From: librarian at towergroup.com (Librarian) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: FinTimes fulltext goes bye-bye from DJ-I Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980930161233.006c2ad0@mail.towergroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2314 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19980930/326b54c6/attachment.bin From drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU Wed Sep 30 16:44:45 1998 From: drewwe at MORRISVILLE.EDU (Wilfred Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Book Sale In-Reply-To: <199809302007.OAA04561@mail.iex.net> Message-ID: <000501bdecb3$28643980$3453cc88@REFERENCE2.lib.morrisville.edu> Wow!! Now all I need to do is drive all the way from New York State to Colorado to get some bargain book prices. Bill Drew Systems Librarian SUNY Morrisville drewwe@morrisville.edu From blackwell at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Wed Sep 30 17:38:42 1998 From: blackwell at BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (John D. Blackwell) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: Deaf Sources Message-ID: A colleague has provided the following suggestions: >Animated BSL Manual Alphabet >http://www.foot-print.demon.co.uk/bslsite/bslindex.html > >Deafax Web Resources >http://www.webcom.com/deafax/world.html > >Deaf World Web >http://dww.deafworldweb.org/ > >Deaf Resource Library >http://www.deaflibrary.org/ > >Deaf Info >http://www.bda.org.uk/deafinf.htm > >Deaf E-Mail Directory >http://dww.deafworld.org/net/dir/ > John D. Blackwell Reference Librarian / Collections Coordinator Brandeis University Libraries P.O. Box 9110 Mailstop 045 Waltham, Massachusetts 02454-9110 voice: (781) 736-4677 fax: (781) 736-4719 e-mail: blackwell@brandeis.edu From listbot at mccmedia.com Wed Sep 30 16:32:04 1998 From: listbot at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] FinTimes fulltext goes bye-bye from DJ-I In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980930161233.006c2ad0@mail.towergroup.com> Message-ID: <3606C1180000102A@mail.mccmedia.com> (added by mail.mccmedia.com) At 01:30 PM 9/30/98 -0700, Librarian wrote: >Apologies if this has already been covered in this mailing list: > > >If you search Dow Jones Interactive using either the proprietary software >or the web version, please be aware that after Sept.30,1998, the >Financial Times will no longer provide full-text >articles. I just received this information TODAY -- through snail-mail, >no less! -- but the full text is still available today. My former employer, Verity, announced a while back that it is supplying FT with a full-text search system that can handle all of their documents (an astoundingly large number). Perhaps they're pulling back from DJ and others because they are bringing their own system on-line, but I'm not sure. Nick From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Wed Sep 30 16:53:24 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Book Sale In-Reply-To: <199809302007.OAA04561@mail.iex.net> Message-ID: Gentle Subscribers, While I allow announcements of conferences, etc., since it is at least *possible* that someone would travel to attend, this kind of announcement is not in that category. Therefore, please refrain from accouncing book sales or other activities that are likely to be of interest only to a local clientele on a global list like Web4Lib. Please remember that of the 3,500 subscribers to Web4Lib, many of them are not even in the same *country*, let alone the same region, state, county, or municipality. Thank you, Roy Tennant Web4Lib Cop On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Susan Garrett wrote: > Saturday, October 17th, from 9 am - 3 pm the Security Public Library will > be having its fall book sale. Books are $.75, paperbacks are $.50. From > 2-3 pm it is books by the bag, bag of books for $2.00. > Susan Schmitz-Garrett > Security Public Library > Head of Public Services > 715 Aspen Drive > Security, Co 80911 > 719-392-8912 > > From peggysh at libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us Wed Sep 30 18:12:17 1998 From: peggysh at libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us (Peggy Shaugnessy) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions In-Reply-To: <199809301624.MAA15470@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: If Merriam-Webster is an acceptable authority, try looking up the single word "site" at: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm I would take this to mean the correct term would be either Web site or web site. (I got this as a reference question last week) Peggy Shaughnessy Library Assistant III / Webmaster Fort Collins Public Library peggysh@libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) > > > __________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > bishopk@rpi.edu > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > __________________________________________ > > From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Wed Sep 30 18:40:08 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] spelling conventions References: <199809301624.MAA15470@mail1.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: <3612B346.C13542B0@am.appstate.edu> When I choose the spell checker from WordPerfect 8, it always wants to give me a choice of Internet or INTERNET when it finds internet. So, how much credence do you put on WPs spell checker will determine your acceptance of these two. Thomas Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > Internet / internet > Web / web > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > Website / website // Web site / web site > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of these > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake of > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > -kb > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... ??) > > __________________________________________ > > Kevin W. Bishop > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > bishopk@rpi.edu > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > __________________________________________ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Wed Sep 30 20:57:00 1998 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: spelling conventions Message-ID: >When I choose the spell checker from WordPerfect 8, it always wants to give >me a choice of Internet or INTERNET when it finds internet. So, how much >credence do you put on WPs spell checker will determine your acceptance of >these two. The original source of the capitalization of "Internet", is that the capitalized word "Internet" refers to _the_ Internet, that is, the-now-well-known, union of all globally connected TCP/IP networks. The uncapitalized word "internet" refers, _an_ internet: a network of networks, regardless of the protocols used. Both usages are correct, but they mean different things. History has made "Internet" a more common, less technical usage. There is no justification for writing the word in all caps that I know of; it is not composed of the initials of other words, like say, "WWW". --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From bernies at uillinois.edu Wed Sep 30 23:10:51 1998 From: bernies at uillinois.edu (Sloan, Bernie) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:05 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: spelling conventions Message-ID: Actually, before I added "Internet" to my MS Word vocabulary, it used to offer "interment" as the first option. :-) Bernie Sloan Senior Library Information Systems Consultant University of Illinois Office for Planning & Budgeting 338 Henry Administration Building 506 S. Wright Street Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: (217) 333-4895 Fax: (217) 333-6355 Email: bernies@uillinois.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: TMGB [SMTP:bennettt@am.appstate.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 5:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: spelling conventions > > When I choose the spell checker from WordPerfect 8, it always wants to > give > me a choice of Internet or INTERNET when it finds internet. So, how much > credence do you put on WPs spell checker will determine your acceptance of > these two. > > Thomas > > Kevin W. Bishop wrote: > > > This is something of a silly question, but what is the convention? > > > > Internet / internet > > Web / web > > Webpage / webpage // Web page / web page > > Website / website // Web site / web site > > > > I'm consistently inconsistent with the capitalization and spacing of > these > > words and would like to know if there is a standard style for the sake > of > > developing "how-to" [w]eb()pages about [w]eb()page development. > > > > -kb > > > > (I think it should be "Internet" and "Web", but as for the others ... > ??) > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > Kevin W. Bishop > > Campus-Wide Information System Coordinator > > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > > 110 8th St. Troy, NY, 12180-3590 > > (518) 276-8332 Fax 276-8559 > > bishopk@rpi.edu > > http://www.rpi.edu/rpinfo > > __________________________________________ > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University > Computer Consultant II University Library > bennettt@am.appstate.edu > http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ > > Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 > > Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating > system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. > - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine > From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Fri Sep 11 09:33:22 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:11 2005 Subject: Tangent - LaserWriter IIg from PC Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980911093322.2aa72cb4@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> I have a user who has just traded his Mac for a PC - you know you're in trouble when a 486 is a step -up- :) BUT He still needs to print to an Apple LaserWriter IIg in an adjoining room. Both machines are on the same Ethernet LAN running NetWare 3.1. I am running AFP on the server and have tried to configure ATPS. So far no luck. If anyone has faced and solved a similar problem - please e-mail me directly. Thanks Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From kschweyer at gph.com Fri Sep 11 12:09:57 1998 From: kschweyer at gph.com (Kathlyn J Schweyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:11 2005 Subject: Image Software Message-ID: <0008740F.C21208@gph.com> Fellow librarians: I'm starting to design some intranet pages and would like any thoughts on which image software programs are good. I'm looking at getting software that will enable me to design my own images as well as alter clip art images and then save them as .gif files to use on a web site. I've used SmartDraw and while it allows you to save images as .gif files you can't edit the images once you do that. I find I have to keep a copy of the .sdr format for editing purposes and then update my .gif file using save as. Not the most user friendly! Any reviews or personal experiences of image software would be greatly appreciated. I will summarize for the list once I get some responses. Thanks!! Kitty Schweyer kschweyer@gph.com Boston, MA From jul at oclc.org Fri Sep 11 15:23:36 1998 From: jul at oclc.org (Jul,Erik) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:11 2005 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Knowledge Access Management Regional Events Message-ID: [Posted to several relevant lists. Please redistribute as appropriate. --Erik] Dear Readers: The OCLC Institute, in partnership with OCLC Regional Networks and OCLC Canada, announce the following dates and locations for "Knowledge Access Management: Tools and Concepts for Next-Generation Catalogers." November 11-13, St. Louis, MO (with MLNC and ILLINET) November 16-18, Springfield, MA (with NELINET and SUNY/OCLC) November 18-20, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada (with OCLC Canada) December 7-9, Dallas, TX (with AMIGOS) For more information and to register online, please see http://www.oclc.org/institute/seminar2a.htm or contact Erik Jul at jul@oclc.org or (800) 848-5878, ext. 4364. --Erik Erik Jul Associate Director OCLC Institute jul@oclc.org From BPasicznyuk at mail.ppld.org Fri Sep 11 16:46:50 1998 From: BPasicznyuk at mail.ppld.org (Pasicznyuk, Bob) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:11 2005 Subject: Blank Spaces in URL Queries Message-ID: I'm creating a database accessible via the web. I can used 2 tools to submit queries: (1) A form, or (2) A URL. I've no problem using the form method. If I use the URL option in a query with blank space (example: Link) The program only searches the term "penrose" in Netscape. Internet Explorer searches the phrase with no problem. If I insert a %20 for the blank space (Link), Netscape does just fine. I used to use a PERL substitution line to insert the %20 in place of the blank space -> $queryurl =~ s/\s+/%20/g; I'm now creating pages using Microsoft's Visual Interdev and vbscript. I can't find a substition method analogous to PERL's. Does anyone know how to substitute a blank for %20 in vbscript? Does anyone know another fix? Thanks. Bob Pasicznyuk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Pasicznyuk, Systems Analyst Pikes Peak Library District Email: bpasiczn@ppld.org Web: http://www.du.edu/~rpasiczn ***"I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's" -- William Blake ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Fri Sep 11 21:46:48 1998 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:11 2005 Subject: Reporter Needs HELP - U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT INQUIRY (fwd) Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Stephanie Stokes, Roy -------------------------------------- ALA just got a call from a "U.S. News & World Report" reporter who wants to know if you're expecting big crowds at the library to look at the Starr report on the Internet and how you're planning to deal with it. Please send Joyce Kelly, ALA Press Officer an e-mail message at jkelly@ala.org right away if you have information you'd like to share. Include your name, Library's name, city, state, day/night contact phone number if it's okay for the reporter to call you. I suggest you try to add a little blub or something with your response like how many computers your library has, your population, did you print it out, etc...some little special interest tidbit to send along besides, "Yes". Thanks in advance for helping ALA promote libraries in the media. Please include a cc: to stephanie@ssdesign.com Thanks, Stephanie Stokes From BJakubowski at utsa.edu Fri Sep 18 10:58:19 1998 From: BJakubowski at utsa.edu (Barbara Jakubowski) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: kiosk commands Message-ID: <0204B9309979D11194AA00805FFEDE3F01CDC4D2@gabriel.utsa.edu> I have been watching the discussion of kiosk mode of Netscape for some time. I have also noticed that Control-N in Comm. 4.05 brings the new Netscape window with all the menu options enabled. Since our environment is NT 4.0, we cannot use certain products which allow us to customize Netscape, so the library is still using Netscape 3.04 in the kiosk mode. For the obvious reasons, we would like to move to the newest version of Netscape. I am interested if any of you have a chance to use Mission Control Desktop 4.0 product (it has been released about 2 months ago by Netscape and it replaced the Admin Kit 3.0). This product has several pieces, but I am mainly interested in Configuration Editor which allows to lock Communication preferences to prevent end users from changing them. The price of it is pretty high and I would like to hear from you about your experience with this product. Barbara Jakubowski The University of Texas at San Antonio bjakubowski@utsa.edu From LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU Fri Sep 18 12:26:02 1998 From: LUCKDL at APSU01.APSU.EDU (DEANNE LUCK) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: kiosk commands Message-ID: <01J1Y5IJD1XU00802C@APSU01.APSU.EDU> You might want to look at Cooler, from Fortres Grand Co. With it, you can disable menu items, buttons, and dialog boxes. It worked really well for us on our NT 4.0 machines until we discovered that it killed all 16-bit apps. A new version with this bug fix should be out in a month or so. Cooler has the added benefit of letting you disable the Start button, and it's only $495 for a building license. I'm not affiliated with the co., but after much work I decided Cooler is much better for us than trying to use the IE admin kit. DeAnne Luck Electronic Resources Librarian Austin Peay State University LuckDL@apsu01.apsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: IN%"BJakubowski@utsa.edu" 18-SEP-1998 10:05:07.80 To: IN%"web4lib@webjunction.org" "Multiple recipients of list" CC: Subj: [WEB4LIB] RE: kiosk commands I have been watching the discussion of kiosk mode of Netscape for some time. I have also noticed that Control-N in Comm. 4.05 brings the new Netscape window with all the menu options enabled. Since our environment is NT 4.0, we cannot use certain products which allow us to customize Netscape, so the library is still using Netscape 3.04 in the kiosk mode. For the obvious reasons, we would like to move to the newest version of Netscape. I am interested if any of you have a chance to use Mission Control Desktop 4.0 product (it has been released about 2 months ago by Netscape and it replaced the Admin Kit 3.0). This product has several pieces, but I am mainly interested in Configuration Editor which allows to lock Communication preferences to prevent end users from changing them. The price of it is pretty high and I would like to hear from you about your experience with this product. Barbara Jakubowski The University of Texas at San Antonio bjakubowski@utsa.edu From CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca Fri Sep 18 12:15:22 1998 From: CMETCALF at ogh.on.ca (Cameron Metcalf) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: excel 97 Message-ID: <98Sep18.123206edt.18438@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> Hey guys, I wrote in a couple wks ago asking how to save a spreadsheet in Excel in HTML. The answer is: it's easy-- go to File and select "save as HTML". I had to download the add-in from microsoft.com, in order to be able to do this. Even though I *do* have Excel 97, the internet wizard add-in, was not provided. With the add-in installed, though, I'm still unable to save as HTML. I get the "save as HTML" option under File, however when the application goes to run this task it shorts out and the following message pops up: "The wizard cannot find xlhtml.dll. Please rerun setup and start the wizard again." I have tried downloading the application again and again. I've also tried re-installing the add-in, but still can't get past this pop-up message. If someone has the time, coul you forward me xlhtml.dll file (if that's plausible)? Or--mebbe try forwarding me the entire add-in? Or (__________fill in your suggestion here_____)? Thanks a bunch. Good wknd, all. Cameron Cameron Metcalf Librarian, Ottawa Hospital - General Site (613)-737-8530 www.ogh.on.ca From kgs at bluehighways.com Fri Sep 18 20:27:45 1998 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: Time and resource control on Internet workstations Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980918202745.012c1774@panix.com> For a two-part series of the Internet Librarian column in American Libraries, I'm soliciting feedback on how librarians control time limits and protect resources on Internet workstations. What do you do to allocate time on workstations? Do you use software, policies, sign-up sheets, or other techniques? Do you allow reservations? Do you give priority to your own borrowers, or distinguish between other types of users (such as children and adults)? And what software or hardware tools do you use to "lock down" the desktop? Finally, do you use special software or other tools to authenticate (require log-ins) of patrons on workstations? Comments about ease of installation and maintenance, functionality, ease of use, time spent in maintenance, cost, and compatibility with other programs (including IOLS) are encouraged. Anecdotes very welcome. Please include name, city, state, institution, and job title. Thanks! _________________________________________________________ Karen G. Schneider | kgs@bluehighways.com http://www.bluehighways.com Author: A Practical Guide to Internet Filters, Neal Schuman, 1997 Director, Garfield Library of Brunswick, NY garfield@crisny.org Garfield on the Web: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/garfield Information is hard work ------------------------------------------------------------ From bennettt at am.appstate.edu Fri Sep 18 21:12:52 1998 From: bennettt at am.appstate.edu (TMGB) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] excel 97 References: <98Sep18.123206edt.18438@mickeymouse.ogh.on.ca> Message-ID: <36030513.6D335AF6@am.appstate.edu> I've normally found that when a dll is missing, several people are missing it and several other people have it out on the web. I don't have it but if you go to altavista or must any other search engine on the web and put "xlhtml.dll" in the search blank, you'll probably find it very soon and then save it into your system directory. You'll probably have to reboot. Thomas Cameron Metcalf wrote: > Hey guys, > > I wrote in a couple wks ago asking how > to save a spreadsheet in Excel in HTML. > The answer is: it's easy-- > go to File and select "save as HTML". > I had to download the add-in from microsoft.com, > in order to be able to do this. Even though I *do* > have Excel 97, the internet wizard add-in, was not provided. > > With the add-in installed, though, I'm still unable to save as HTML. > I get the "save as HTML" option under File, however when the > application goes to run this task it shorts out and the following message pops up: > "The wizard cannot find xlhtml.dll. Please rerun setup > and start the wizard again." > > I have tried downloading the application again and again. > I've also tried re-installing the add-in, but still can't get > past this pop-up message. > > If someone has the time, coul you forward me xlhtml.dll file (if that's plausible)? Or--mebbe try forwarding me the entire add-in? > Or (__________fill in your suggestion here_____)? > > Thanks a bunch. > > Good wknd, all. > > Cameron > > Cameron Metcalf > Librarian, Ottawa Hospital - General Site > (613)-737-8530 > > www.ogh.on.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant II University Library bennettt@am.appstate.edu http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 262 3001 Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine From thom at indiana.edu Sat Sep 19 00:03:59 1998 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: Does anyone know of any library projects using Palm Pilots Message-ID: or other hand held remote devices in or outside of libraries? Are any of the opac vendors doing any development for Palms or other hand held remotes? Any suggestions much appreciated? --Thom \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/dmd/immersion.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland From mcculley at best.com Sat Sep 19 00:04:03 1998 From: mcculley at best.com (P. Michael McCulley) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:13 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: excel 97 In-Reply-To: <36030513.6D335AF6@am.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <199809190404.VAA21455@proxy4.ba.best.com> > I've normally found that when a dll is missing, several people are missing > it and several other people have it out on the web. I don't have it but > if you go to altavista or must any other search engine on the web and put > "xlhtml.dll" in the search blank, you'll probably find it very soon and > then save it into your system directory. You'll probably have to reboot. > > Thomas > > > > Cameron Metcalf wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > I wrote in a couple wks ago asking how > > to save a spreadsheet in Excel in HTML. > > The answer is: it's easy-- > > go to File and select "save as HTML". > > I had to download the add-in from microsoft.com, > > in order to be able to do this. Even though I *do* > > have Excel 97, the internet wizard add-in, was not provided. > > > > With the add-in installed, though, I'm still unable to save as HTML. I > > get the "save as HTML" option under File, however when the application > > goes to run this task it shorts out and the following message pops up: > > "The wizard cannot find xlhtml.dll. Please rerun setup and start the > > wizard again." > > > > I have tried downloading the application again and again. > > I've also tried re-installing the add-in, but still can't get > > past this pop-up message. > > > > If someone has the time, coul you forward me xlhtml.dll file (if that's > > plausible)? Or--mebbe try forwarding me the entire add-in? Or > > (__________fill in your suggestion here_____)? > > > > Thanks a bunch. > > > > Good wknd, all. > > > > Cameron > > > > Cameron Metcalf > > Librarian, Ottawa Hospital - General Site > > (613)-737-8530 > > > > www.ogh.on.ca > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University > Computer Consultant II University Library > bennettt@am.appstate.edu > http://www.library.appstate.edu/admin/ Voice: 704 262 2797 FAX: 704 > 262 3001 > > Windows 95 is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit patch for an 8-bit operating > system that was originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor. > - Chris Dunphy Boot Magazine Just a possible suggestion.. the extensions needed for Excel 97 HTML conversion, for some reason, aren't installed by default with the install. If you have the CD-ROM, you might try doing a custom re- install (backup needed docs or files first!), and see if you can add that add-on tool from the disk. The downloadable one, I believe, from the MS site, is for Excel's earlier versions, and won't work with 97. Good luck with that problem. Best regards, Michael McCulley mcculley@best.com From kristinh at lv.is Mon Sep 28 07:08:41 1998 From: kristinh at lv.is (kristinh@lv.is) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:14 2005 Subject: Help With choosing a book Message-ID: <0025668D.003D05E7.00@lv_gatt.lv.is> I want to say a big thank you to all those who responed to my question. You are a great bunch of people! Kristin Osk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kristin Osk Hlynsdottir Information Architect Landsvirkjun - The National Power Company Haaleitisbraut 68 103 Reykjavik Iceland Tel: +354-515-9111 Fax: +354-515-9116 e-mail: kristinh@lv.is Web: http://www.lv.is/enska Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org/ ******************************************** Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly. - Langston Hughes From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Mon Sep 28 09:08:04 1998 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:14 2005 Subject: Original Yahoo screen archived? Message-ID: <003701bdeae1$079e54c0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> Web4libbers: For a future presentation, I'd like to bring up a slide showing Yahoo's original screen of categories. I know I've seen it in print materials, but does anyone know if it's archived online anywhere? Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From tomaiuolon at ccsu.edu Mon Sep 28 09:26:01 1998 From: tomaiuolon at ccsu.edu (Nicholas Tomaiuolo) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:14 2005 Subject: "value added" engines Message-ID: <360F8E69.260D@ccsu.edu> Web4lib-- The Northern Light search engine has a component that locates searchers' keyword input from a "special collection" (this amounts to a bibliographic database of magazine and journal articles) as well as searching for web documents. Is anyone aware of any other search engines that offer this service, namely, to do a parallel search in a database of traditional print publications? Thank you for your help, Nicholas Tomaiuolo Burritt Library Central CT State University New Britain, CT 06050 From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Mon Sep 28 10:31:38 1998 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Library Web site ROI In-Reply-To: <360D5538.1421BAB1@julian.uwo.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980928103138.03491870@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> At 02:11 PM 9/26/98 -0700, Gay Lepkey wrote: >... >If, as current management theory would have it (eg. Hallows. >Information systems project management. c1998), intangible benefits are >not benefits at all, then on what basis are ROI / C-B analyses of NPO >Web sites to be arrived at? According to Hallows, a benefit either >saves money for an organization or generates profits. >.... As I see it there are only a few possibilities: 1) You are misrepresenting (misinterpreting?) Hallows/management theory. 2) Hallows is talking through his hat. 3) Management theory is in sore trouble. 4) A combination of any or all of the previous possibilities. My degree in economics has been gathering dust for a while, so I make no claims of cutting edge knowledge of the discipline, but _even_ economists know that not all benefits come with a dollar sign already attached (though it might in theory be possible to attach a dollar value to a specific intangible for a specific person on a specific occasion - think of what someone will pay to go on vacation to a place with pretty views and sunsets). People (and organizations as groups of people) tend to try to maximize Utility, which may or may not equate to maximizing dollars. Intangible benefits can enhance Utility as readily as tangible ones. It may well be that management theorists are merely encouraging us to analyze costs and benefits carefully and are showing a healthy skepticism about what value an intangible benefit actually brings to an organization, but to insist on profit as the only measurement of benefit for a non-profit organization is oxymoronic. Edward From phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us Mon Sep 28 10:50:43 1998 From: phgray at tcjc.cc.tx.us (Paul H. Gray) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:14 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] "value added" engines In-Reply-To: <360F8E69.260D@ccsu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980928105043.107f04e0@mail.tcjc.cc.tx.us> At 06:28 AM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Web4lib-- >The Northern Light search engine has a component that locates searchers' >keyword input from a "special collection" (this amounts to a >bibliographic database of magazine and journal articles). . . Unless the vendor is careful to have touched all the necessary bases -- It also amounts to wandering dangerously close to copyright infringement There is a case on this very point involving Northern Light in particular that is currently still in litigation (as far as I know- if it has been settled someone tell me where I can find the specifics). >Is anyone aware of any other search engines that offer this service, >namely, to do a parallel search in a database of traditional print >publications? I am sure you are aware of commercial services like ProQuest Direct and EbscoHost - unfortunately they search only their databases - and not the web. NOTE to the folks at UMI - have you thought of adding web searching feature? I don't know - but I would suspect until a clear settlement has been reached and some simple way of dealing with all the legal pitfalls has been developed - developers of Web search engines are going to be a bit leary of venturing into collecting printed materials. BTW - Lest I be misunderstood -- I think this is a great idea -- if someone knows of someone who has dealt with all these issues successfully - I too would love to try their product. {All standard disclaimers apply} Paul H. Gray, Learning Resources Manager Phone: (817)515-6623 TCJC Northeast LRC Fax: (817)515-6275 828 Harwood Road E-Mail: phgray@tcjc.cc.tx.us Hurst, Texas 76054 From thom at indiana.edu Mon Sep 28 12:09:00 1998 From: thom at indiana.edu (thom) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:15 2005 Subject: [WEB4LIB] Re: Library Web site ROI In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980928103138.03491870@ellington.evanston.lib.il.us> Message-ID: I've lightly followed the ROI discussion about non-profits and think it might be interesting if some folks from the west coast got the folks from The Data Center, (Oakland, CA) involved in this discussion. I worked at the Data Center years ago for a short period of time and always considered it one of the most interesting non-profit libraries I have ever seen. It is a cooperative which is non-profit but has made enough profit to stay in non-profit business for over 20 years. An unescapable fact of life in America is that for a non-profit to stay in business it has to make a small profit which often means evaluation of some form for additional services. --Thom \\\\//// tHoM gIllEsPiE /ww ww\ Indiana University thom@indiana.edu 6 (*][*) ? Dept of Telecom 346 812-855-3254 (v) \ .7 / Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-7955 (f) ( --') www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html WWWW MIME: Masters in Immersive Mediated Environments / WW \ www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/dmd/immersion.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the use of a book, thought Alice, without pictures or conversation. -Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventure in Wonderland From dmonkman at bcmhs.bc.ca Mon Sep 28 12:48:09 1998 From: dmonkman at bcmhs.bc.ca (Debbie Monkman) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:15 2005 Subject: WWW service investments Message-ID: <360FBDC9.3BFE@bcmhs.bc.ca> Perhaps this resouce might be of interest? A Cost/Performance Model for Assessing WWW Service Investments Bloniarz, PA; Larsen, KR. Center for Technology in Government, Univ of Albany. June 1997. http://www.ctg.albany.edu/projects/inettb/SpreadSheets.html See also http://www.ctg.albany.edu for other documents ********** Debbie Monkman mailto:dmonkman@bcmhs.bc.ca Riverview Hospital Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.bcmhs.bc.ca From jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org Mon Sep 28 14:58:58 1998 From: jkuntz at ansernet.rcls.org (Jerry Kuntz) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:15 2005 Subject: Drake Equation for the web Message-ID: <00b201bdeb12$0c79f5e0$0d9882d1@Jerry.rcls.org> While preparing for a talk on collecting Internet resources, I wanted a dramatic way to illustrate the managability of such projects in the face of the often overwhelming number of new web sites and Internet growth. Therefore, with apologies to Frank Drake and Carl Sagan, who developed a famous equation for calculating the number of intelligent technological civilizations in the galaxy, [and with tongue in cheek] I offer the Kuntz Equation: Sc=Wp x fs x ft x fg x fi x fu where Sc is the number of web sites worth cataloging Wp is the total number of web pages on the Internet fs is the fraction of those pages that constitute distinct web sites ft is the fraction of web sites with topical informational content fg is the fraction of sites with accurate, current, comprehensive, well-maintained, and well-designed content fi is the fraction of sites that are findable, i.e. have been indexed in robot engines or announced in current awareness tools and fu is the fraction that haven't been moved or pulled down since being indexed or announced. You can plug in your own values into this equation; for the sake of argument I plugged in values that resulted in a figure for Sc that was less than half the number of bib records in our local union catalog. Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org From sissact at matrix.newpaltz.edu Mon Sep 28 16:51:15 1998 From: sissact at matrix.newpaltz.edu (Tamm Sissac) Date: Wed May 18 14:27:15 2005 Subject: web server recommendations Message-ID: <360FF6C3.D13A9108@matrix.newpaltz.edu> We are planning to implement a web server primarily for electronic course reserve and other library web pages. At this point, I'm trying to determine the best platform (NT or Linux), whether a PC or server is needed, and the best web server software (looking at IIS, Website, Apache). Most of the info in the Web4Lib archives goes back to 95/96. I would appreciate hearing your recommendations. thanks tamm -- _______________________________ Tamm Sissac Information Systems Librarian SUNY New Paltz Sojourner Truth Library 75 S. Manheim Blvd. C141A New Paltz, NY 12561 (914)257-3657 (914)257-3718 (fax) sissact@matrix.newpaltz.edu _______________________________