Indent or tab in HTML

From henkm at python.konbib.nl Thu Aug 1 03:58:14 1996 From: henkm at python.konbib.nl (Henk Matthezing) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: HTML text -making indents or tabs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Indent or tab in HTML

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How to make an Indent or Tab with <TABLE>
Another way to make an indent is using a table. I wrote this message in HTML for your convenience. Just export it as a .html file to disk, cut off mail header and my signature and have a look using your browser's 'Open file' option.
BTW no 1, the   is the same as  
As you can see this is a nice way of indenting without using <BR> <DD>-tags in every line of tekst.
BTW no 2, If you use an HTML-checker or validator that works with DTD-lines in your HTML-files, it will return a message for non correct HTML-usage when using the <DD>-tag out off the definition list context.
regards,
Henk
_ ----------------------------------- o ---------------- / \--- _/\_----- /<_ /\ / \_/ \ _=\--\_ / \_/ \ Henk Matthezing ___(_)/ /(_)__/ \ Redactie Infoservices Koninklijke Bibliotheek/SURFnet B.V. Phone: +31 70 3140 615 P.O.B. 80407 Fax: +31 70 3140 501 2509 LK Den Haag E-mail: henkm@python.konbib.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 1 09:16:15 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents Message-ID: <199608011315.JAA04894@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> I'm a little disappointed at the seeming willingness on this list to recommend deliberately broken HTML structures to kludge together a solution to a formatting problem. IMO this is akin to squeezing awkward cataloging data into the wrong MARC field on the presumption that it will come out looking right on most OPACs.

How to make an Indent or Tab with `<TABLE>`
	Another way to make an indent is using a table. I wrote this message in HTML for your convenience. Just export it as a .html file to disk, cut off mail header and my signature and have a look using your browser's 'Open file' option. BTW no 1, the ` ` is the same as ` ` As you can see this is a nice way of indenting without using `<BR> <DD>`-tags in every line of tekst. BTW no 2, If you use an HTML-checker or validator that works with DTD-lines in your HTML-files, it will return a message for non correct HTML-usage when using the `<DD>`-tag out off the definition list context. regards, Henk

defines a definition list, like a glossary.

defines, umm, a block of quoted material. Dirty solutions like multiple
or
tags with no
or
do in fact work on a certain percentage of browsers, possibly a very high percentage. But you are left with absolutely no guarantee that the next hot browser will choose to display these structural elements the way the current hot browsers do; in fact it's quite likely that a browser will come along that will allow the *user* to determine how an unordered list will be presented (indented with bullets? change of font? change of background color?). If you're satisfied with serving users with Netscape 1.2, 2.0, 3.0, and don't mind the possibility of having to rewrite all your documents next year, and don't envision ever indexing your site, I guess you can go ahead. In cases where formatting elements like indentation are really necessary for the document, there are lots of options, with varying degrees of support and elegance: Present the document as .txt rather than .html. Pros: universal support. Cons: monospaced font, lack of hypertext links, no pretty logo. Slap
...
around the text of the document. Pros: universal support, pretty logo at the top, hypertext links. Cons: monospaced font. PDF. Pros: you're using a page description language, which is what you really need. Cons: requires commercial software to create the file, less than universal support, possible charges from some quarters of being elitist and a pawn in Adobe's attempt to take over the world. :-) Distribute in a word processor format (most likely Word). Pros: layout control similar to PDF, many users can edit the document once they have it. Cons: requires a compatible word processor or Word viewer, possible charges of being elitist and a pawn in Microsoft's attempt to take over the world. Style sheets. Pros: in line with a standard that is both supported by the web community and gaining favor among some browser manufacturers, lets you define or redefine a style (e.g. P.indent1) once for your entire site and reference it from any document with a
tag. Cons: very limited support as of 8/1/96. tag. Pros: will probably be supported by 40%-50% of your users within a couple months. Cons: another kludge from the gang at Tags-R-Us. tag e.g.
Top level paragraph.
Second level paragraph Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: less than universal support, memory problems on some platforms if the document gets too long. Preface each line with
[spaces]
and end each line with
. Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: looks really ugly if the previous line wraps in a window narrower than you expected, some browsers mistakenly slap a line feed after the tag. Preface each line with   ... Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: same line wrap problems as above, no rule that multiple nbsp entities shouldn't be collapsed into a single space (the rule only says no line break there). Preface each line with one or more tab-sized, completely transparent GIFs. Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: line wraps, *really* ugly for people using graphical browsers with the graphics turned off.
/
/
kludge described in previous posts. Pros: will "look right" to many users. Cons: violates the spirit and sometimes the letter of the HTML law, may get mild grumblings from some validation services, HTML editors, grumpy old Web4Libbers, etc. Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu (This is a dream. I'm going to wake up, it will be the summer of 1995, and all known browser manufacturers will be presenting beta versions supporting all of the newly formalized HTML 3.0, including style sheets and the tag. Also, I will have won the lottery the night before.) From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Thu Aug 1 11:28:52 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Interesting development Message-ID: Have others received the O'Reilly note on their 'early adopter' program for hot new books and technology? Their first two books will be "JavaScript: the definitive Guide' and a rewrite to 'Programming Perl for 5'. They are trying to literally put chapters only line as they are written. They don't seem to have all the details worked out but it seems like in sense we will be subscribing to a book and would get up-dates as bugs in the books are fixed and the material changes and the book needs to be up-dated. I'm wondering how this would interest folks on WEB4? Would library/info places be interested in having subscriptions to books online? How would you handle the site licensing and printing? Thoughts? It's at: http://www.ora.com/info/early/ --Thom, who writes about computer media for the Library Journal and does not own stock in ORA ... darn it! 8-) From cfpl00 at iren.net Thu Aug 1 13:56:04 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents In-Reply-To: <199608011315.JAA04894@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: I liked Thom Dowling's comments and agree whole-heartedly with his point about the problem of Kludges having to be fixed next year or whenever. After 3 years, I'm still learning about things that don't work in lynx and fixing things. *I* would like to see more recognition by those who are verbally/printed word-oriented of the fact that visual design _also_ is involved in the process of communication of information. They are sometimes inseparable. I'm not "anti-word" which would be ridiculous, but it's ocurred to me that one important reason that there's any discussion at all of quick fixes that are "dirty" is the fact that at it's inception, the model the Web creators were following was that of the codex or the scroll. I'm not _blaming_ them or anything -- in the West at least, visual elements were always considered pretty much secondary to the print. Illustration means to augment understanding of the words, not stand in place of them. It's been proven however, especially in children's books and in Medieval stained glass, that printed words are not always necessary. It depends on the nature of what you want to convey. There is also the issue of plain white space. Every artist knows that leaving space open makes what's left much more important and meaningful. The relationship of images on the page, whatever it's proportion, is meaningful in itself. Indenting sends a different message from bulleted lists and so sometimes lists are inappropriate formatting for the information. I find non-indented paragraphs less easy to read. (Although of course, I'm not bothering to do it here!) There is a rhythm to them, a better sense of beginning and end, which also makes them seem more reasoned, logical and less hasty. I think that this search for a way to indent or tab is additionally reflective of the fact that we need visual formatting for simple ease of reading. We all know it's not a trivial thing when you're trying to read something with no line breaks. My point is that, for people who are able to see and who don't have to use braille, the visual aspects of communication are every bit as meaningful as the meaning behind only the printed, verbal aspect. This is often very subtle which I think is why we don't acknowledge it properly. For the record, I'm not down on content standards, -- far from it! -- I'm just surprised that anything visual _tends_ to be considered so unimportant. Thanks, --Barb Dunn On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > I'm a little disappointed at the seeming willingness on this list to > recommend deliberately broken HTML structures to kludge together a solution > to a formatting problem. IMO this is akin to squeezing awkward cataloging > data into the wrong MARC field on the presumption that it will come out > looking right on most OPACs.
defines an unordered list.
defines > a definition list, like a glossary.
defines, umm, a block of > quoted material. > > Dirty solutions like multiple
or
tags with no
or
do in > fact work on a certain percentage of browsers, possibly a very high > percentage. But you are left with absolutely no guarantee that the next > hot browser will choose to display these structural elements the way the > current hot browsers do; in fact it's quite likely that a browser will come > along that will allow the *user* to determine how an unordered list will be > presented (indented with bullets? change of font? change of background > color?). If you're satisfied with serving users with Netscape 1.2, 2.0, > 3.0, and don't mind the possibility of having to rewrite all your documents > next year, and don't envision ever indexing your site, I guess you can go > ahead. > > In cases where formatting elements like indentation are really necessary > for the document, there are lots of options, with varying degrees of > support and elegance: > > > Present the document as .txt rather than .html. Pros: universal support. > Cons: monospaced font, lack of hypertext links, no pretty logo. > > Slap
...
around the text of the document. Pros: universal > support, pretty logo at the top, hypertext links. Cons: monospaced font. > > PDF. Pros: you're using a page description language, which is what you > really need. Cons: requires commercial software to create the file, less > than universal support, possible charges from some quarters of being > elitist and a pawn in Adobe's attempt to take over the world. :-) > > Distribute in a word processor format (most likely Word). Pros: layout > control similar to PDF, many users can edit the document once they have it. > Cons: requires a compatible word processor or Word viewer, possible > charges of being elitist and a pawn in Microsoft's attempt to take over the > world. > > Style sheets. Pros: in line with a standard that is both supported by the > web community and gaining favor among some browser manufacturers, lets you > define or redefine a style (e.g. P.indent1) once for your entire site and > reference it from any document with a
tag. Cons: very > limited support as of 8/1/96. > > tag. Pros: will probably be supported by 40%-50% of your users > within a couple months. Cons: another kludge from the gang at Tags-R-Us. > > tag e.g. >
Top level paragraph. >
Second level paragraph > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: less than universal support, memory > problems on some platforms if the document gets too long. > > Preface each line with
[spaces]
and end each line with
. > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: looks really ugly if the previous line > wraps in a window narrower than you expected, some browsers mistakenly slap > a line feed after the tag. > > Preface each line with   ... Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: > same line wrap problems as above, no rule that multiple nbsp entities > shouldn't be collapsed into a single space (the rule only says no line > break there). > > Preface each line with one or more tab-sized, completely transparent GIFs. > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: line wraps, *really* ugly for people > using graphical browsers with the graphics turned off. > >
/
/
kludge described in previous posts. Pros: will > "look right" to many users. Cons: violates the spirit and sometimes the > letter of the HTML law, may get mild grumblings from some validation > services, HTML editors, grumpy old Web4Libbers, etc. > > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > (This is a dream. I'm going to wake up, it will be the summer of 1995, and > all known browser manufacturers will be presenting beta versions supporting > all of the newly formalized HTML 3.0, including style sheets and the > tag. Also, I will have won the lottery the night before.) > > From MCP_ECM at FLO.ORG Thu Aug 1 14:50:51 1996 From: MCP_ECM at FLO.ORG (Eileen C. Moyer) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: what newgroups should a college subscribe to? Message-ID: <960801145051.25cd5@FLO.ORG> We are about to feed news to our college, but would like to choose groups which are of interest to an academic setting. We are concerned about space on our server, not freedom of access to particular news- groups. Can anyone recommend either a list of "not useful" or "useful" Many thanks, Eileen Moyer Asst Librarian/Reference Mass College of Pharmacy Boston MA mcp_ecm@flo.org From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 1 15:04:06 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents Message-ID: <199608011903.PAA07432@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > For the record, I'm not down on content standards, > -- far from it! -- I'm just surprised that anything > visual _tends_ to be considered so unimportant. > Also for the record, I don't consider the visual aspect of a document unimportant. But HTML, descending as it does from the very structure-oriented world of SGML, is necessarily lacking visually-oriented page layout capabilities. When formatting really matters, it makes less sense to keep banging on HTML until it kinda sorta does what you want than it does to use an add-in like style sheets or a completely separate format that was designed to do what you want (PDF, Word, WordPerfect, PostScript, scanned images, TeX...). Thomas Dowling \ tdowling@ohiolink.edu Asst. Director, Client/Server Apps.\ 614/728-3600 x326 OhioLINK \ FAX 614/728-3610 From akemp at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Aug 1 16:03:21 1996 From: akemp at library.uwaterloo.ca (Albert Kemp Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents In-Reply-To: <199608011315.JAA04894@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: Hello everyone.... >From the different comments I've read so far, there seems to be no one complete solution to this problem. However, I prefer (and recommend) the transparent GIF approach. Just one tiny image (2x2 pixels) is all you need. You can adjust the size of the indent or margin by increasing the width attribute in the IMG tag. For example: I've successfully used this method to format text on a number of pages. It also has application for tables, when you need to add whitespace between text or images within a particular cell. Sure, it can be a bit unsightly if you've got graphics turned off, but I don't use a graphical browser only to read text and fill out forms. If that's all I cared about, I'd be using Lynx. My two cents..... :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albert Kemp Jr. [[][][]] Net: akemp@library.uwaterloo.ca Library Asst., Systems [[][][]] Web: http://www.lib.uwaterloo.ca/~akemp University of Waterloo [[][][]] Fax: (519) 746-1758 Ontario, Canada N2L3G1 ###### (519) 888-4567, x5377 [[](||)[]] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > I'm a little disappointed at the seeming willingness on this list to > recommend deliberately broken HTML structures to kludge together a solution > to a formatting problem. IMO this is akin to squeezing awkward cataloging > data into the wrong MARC field on the presumption that it will come out > looking right on most OPACs.
defines an unordered list.
defines > a definition list, like a glossary.
defines, umm, a block of > quoted material. > > Dirty solutions like multiple
or
tags with no
or
do in > fact work on a certain percentage of browsers, possibly a very high > percentage. But you are left with absolutely no guarantee that the next > hot browser will choose to display these structural elements the way the > current hot browsers do; in fact it's quite likely that a browser will come > along that will allow the *user* to determine how an unordered list will be > presented (indented with bullets? change of font? change of background > color?). If you're satisfied with serving users with Netscape 1.2, 2.0, > 3.0, and don't mind the possibility of having to rewrite all your documents > next year, and don't envision ever indexing your site, I guess you can go > ahead. > > In cases where formatting elements like indentation are really necessary > for the document, there are lots of options, with varying degrees of > support and elegance: > > > Present the document as .txt rather than .html. Pros: universal support. > Cons: monospaced font, lack of hypertext links, no pretty logo. > > Slap
...
around the text of the document. Pros: universal > support, pretty logo at the top, hypertext links. Cons: monospaced font. > > PDF. Pros: you're using a page description language, which is what you > really need. Cons: requires commercial software to create the file, less > than universal support, possible charges from some quarters of being > elitist and a pawn in Adobe's attempt to take over the world. :-) > > Distribute in a word processor format (most likely Word). Pros: layout > control similar to PDF, many users can edit the document once they have it. > Cons: requires a compatible word processor or Word viewer, possible > charges of being elitist and a pawn in Microsoft's attempt to take over the > world. > > Style sheets. Pros: in line with a standard that is both supported by the > web community and gaining favor among some browser manufacturers, lets you > define or redefine a style (e.g. P.indent1) once for your entire site and > reference it from any document with a
tag. Cons: very > limited support as of 8/1/96. > > tag. Pros: will probably be supported by 40%-50% of your users > within a couple months. Cons: another kludge from the gang at Tags-R-Us. > > tag e.g. >
Top level paragraph. >
Second level paragraph > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: less than universal support, memory > problems on some platforms if the document gets too long. > > Preface each line with
[spaces]
and end each line with
. > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: looks really ugly if the previous line > wraps in a window narrower than you expected, some browsers mistakenly slap > a line feed after the tag. > > Preface each line with   ... Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: > same line wrap problems as above, no rule that multiple nbsp entities > shouldn't be collapsed into a single space (the rule only says no line > break there). > > Preface each line with one or more tab-sized, completely transparent GIFs. > Pros: fairly wide support. Cons: line wraps, *really* ugly for people > using graphical browsers with the graphics turned off. > >
/
/
kludge described in previous posts. Pros: will > "look right" to many users. Cons: violates the spirit and sometimes the > letter of the HTML law, may get mild grumblings from some validation > services, HTML editors, grumpy old Web4Libbers, etc. > > > Thomas Dowling > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > (This is a dream. I'm going to wake up, it will be the summer of 1995, and > all known browser manufacturers will be presenting beta versions supporting > all of the newly formalized HTML 3.0, including style sheets and the > tag. Also, I will have won the lottery the night before.) > > From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 1 17:03:22 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents Message-ID: <199608012102.RAA08753@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > > Sure, it can be a bit unsightly if you've got graphics turned off, > but I don't use a graphical browser only to read text and fill out > forms. If that's all I cared about, I'd be using Lynx. > I'm sorry I don't have a source for this, but I've seen estimates that 20% to 25% of people *using graphical browsers* turn the graphics off. Maybe you don't turn graphics off, and maybe you've got a quick modem, but is it fair to make assumptions about your users based on your own behavior? Thomas tdowling@ohiolink.edu From jury at plains.nodak.edu Thu Aug 1 17:47:20 1996 From: jury at plains.nodak.edu (Russ Jury) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... In-Reply-To: <199608011903.PAA07432@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a little sick of the nit-picking of trivial details. This is supposed to be a place where people can come for help and get problems solved. It is about getting something accomplished, rather than arguing if something is right or not. In short, if it works for what you want it to do, WHO CARES about the details. 3 months from now, it will probably be changed, updated, or possibly obsolete. I know I'll be flamed for posting this, but someone has to try to get a more positive attitude going here... I just feel that there's a little too much tension floating around... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Russ Jury Information Technology North Dakota State University Library (701) 231-7288 jury@plains.nodak.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From peterk at opennet.net.au Thu Aug 1 19:30:32 1996 From: peterk at opennet.net.au (Peter Kumaschow) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents References: <199608011315.JAA04894@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: <32014C28.2A4C@openweb.net.au> Thomas Dowling wrote: > > I'm a little disappointed at the seeming willingness on this list to > recommend deliberately broken HTML structures to kludge together a solution Microsoft's Internet Explorer 3.0 Beta 2 supports HTML style sheets as defined by the W3 Consortium. Netscape and I think also Mosaic have agreed to also support style sheets in future releases of their browsers. You should be able to find more info about Microsoft's implementation of style sheets at: http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ http://www.microsoft.com/ie/support/docs/tech30/html.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter Kumaschow Email: webtext@pobox.com.au URL: http://www.wr.com.au/webtext Phone: 02 267 1222 ext 110 Fax: 02 373 2703 Mobile: 041 9297948 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From swestman at sherlock.sherlock.utsa.edu Thu Aug 1 21:42:02 1996 From: swestman at sherlock.sherlock.utsa.edu (Steve Westman) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, rather than flaming, I would like to give a (somewhat qualified) endorsement to what Ross wrote. I DO think that some of the issues discussed are of SOME interest and I like the idea of having a place where people can discuss these sorts of issues. Listening in (and participating) in these discussions can be a way of seeing what issues are out there and causes one to think (and share one's thoughts with others). That said, I have to admit that I do find the (at times seemingly endless) picking up (and apart) of threads to be an extremely annoying waste of bandwidth. As University webmaster and sole NOTIS programmer in my school, I don't really have the time to wade through 30-40 postings on whether one will go to jail (or SHOULD go to jail) for pointing to the CNN website or whether I am a fascist-fellow-traveller because I don't single-handedly decide to turn the background of the University's web page black to protest a provision in a law that was clearly going to be found unconstitutional anyway. After being initially enthusiastic about WEB4LIB, I find that it just takes too much time of trying to separate the (all-too-often sparse) wheat from the chaff. As a result, I have taken to not reading my email from the group for weeks at a time (and then half-heartedly trying to find something of interest). Then the problem becomes whether to erase everything sight unseen, or fill up my hard disk because I don't have the time to read through all of the messages. As I said in the first paragraph, I think DO that there is a place for these types of discussions. Perhaps there could be a second listserve (somewhat along the lines of what is done on Usenet) as in WEB4LIB.D. That way, discussions on ISSUES could be divorced from discussions on HOW TO. I realize that I, like Russ, may look like an over-cooked Pop Tart from the number of flames that I will get. However, I am afraid that there may be others out there who might have something to offer the group, but who are unwilling to spend the time to sift through everything. Anyway, just my $.02. ************************************************************************ * Stephen Westman (210) 458-5977 (phone) * * Electronic Services Librarian (210) 458-4571 (FAX) * * University of Texas at San Antonio swestman@coyote.utsa.edu * * Library * * 6900 North Loop 1604 West * * San Antonio, Texas 78249 * ************************************************************************ From akemp at library.uwaterloo.ca Thu Aug 1 23:50:12 1996 From: akemp at library.uwaterloo.ca (Albert Kemp Jr.) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents In-Reply-To: <199608012102.RAA08753@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: Thomas.... If you'll recall, my previous posting was only an opinion (which I'm fully entitled to give as member of this list), and it was given in the spirit of offering a solution to a known problem. That's all. As an experienced HTML programmer, I'm fully aware of the issues being raised here and in agreement with the sentiment of others on this list, I would like to see more of an emphasis put on problem solving and information sharing, rather than nit-picking. Albert Kemp University of Waterloo Library akemp@library.uwaterloo.ca On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > > > Sure, it can be a bit unsightly if you've got graphics turned off, > > but I don't use a graphical browser only to read text and fill out > > forms. If that's all I cared about, I'd be using Lynx. > > > > I'm sorry I don't have a source for this, but I've seen estimates that 20% > to 25% of people *using igraphical browsers* turn the graphics off. Maybe > you don't turn graphics off, and maybe you've got a quick modem, but is it > fair to make assumptions about your users based on your own behavior? > > Thomas > tdowling@ohiolink.edu > From Alastair.Smith at vuw.ac.nz Fri Aug 2 00:41:55 1996 From: Alastair.Smith at vuw.ac.nz (Alastair Smith, DLIS, Victoria University, New Zealand) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:32 2005 Subject: Indents Message-ID: <199608020441.EAA06494@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> The question that should be asked when these kind of formatting problems arise is: What information presentation problem is to be solved, and what is the HTML solution? Without seeing the material, it's hard to know what the reason for using indenting is, but if it's to express a hierarchy of elements, then quite possibly the list approach is the correct one - but it should be an overt list (either ordered or unordered) with
elements, rather than one of the Kludge approaches. If it HAS to look the same as the print version, then PDF is possibly the way to go. But my suspicion is that there is a simple, logical HTML solution - it just might not use indents. From tomn at internic.net Mon Aug 5 07:59:29 1996 From: tomn at internic.net (Tom Newell) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: InterNIC News, Aug 96, Vol 1 Issue 5 Message-ID: <199608051159.HAA04511@dylan.internic.net> Available at the URL: http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews InterNIC News August 1996 Volume 1, Issue 5 ###################################################### In this issue: * From the Editor InterNIC Hosts RoadMap96 Workshop * The 15 Minute Series: Tools for Internet Trainers * The JASON Project: A Virtual Learning Experience * Scout Services Update: Y'Know: A Web Report for Students, by Students * InterNIC Status Report: Bulletin on InterNIC's Invoicing Process * End User's Corner: Cautionary Tales from the INET Conference ###################################################### From LCOHEN at cnsvax.albany.edu Mon Aug 5 12:51:50 1996 From: LCOHEN at cnsvax.albany.edu (Laura B. Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: Search engine for home page Message-ID: <01I7WZDRZEQM8Y4X9D@cnsvax.albany.edu> We'd like to offer a search engine for our library home page. Currently we've got about 500 links and a small amount of in-house full text. We'll want to use the search engine with the Netscape Enterprise server software. I'd appreciate recommendations. Many thanks, -- Laura Cohen Laura B. Cohen Network Services Librarian University Libraries UL-140 University at Albany Albany, New York 12222 LCOHEN@CNSVAX.ALBANY.EDU From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Mon Aug 5 12:57:40 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: NT platform performance vs. UNIX & Mac Message-ID: <32062804.2E42@opac.osl.state.or.us> We are considering converting a periodicals index database from a 3 yr.-old installation of BRS running on a 486 (33mhz) under Unix, over to an NT machine running INMAGIC's new Webbed version. BRS has performed surprisingly well on the 486 (fast at the time), but we have a concurrent user license limit, and BRS/Unix is a bit opaque for flexibility in maintenance. We don't have any personal experience with NT or its performance capability/track record. Could Web4Lib subscribers comment upon: * Ideas about "multi-user capacity" of a Web server and INMAGIC on an NT-class machine? I know it's a stateless connection, but what kind of user load 'fore performance bogs down? (BTW, please, no polemics about the merits of various OSs.) * Learning curve and any obstacles for NT op sys? * Can NT work effectively on a decently fast 486, like a -66 or -100? Or should you really use a Pentium? * What to use for scripting CGIs on an NT machine? I noted recent msg by Mark Ellis about using a port of PERL or Visual Basic. Any other candidates? Thanks, in advance, -ernest Ernest Perez//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.state.or.us//503-378-4243 ------------------------------------------------------------------------Where is the knowledge that is lost in information? Where is the wisdom that is lost in knowledge? -- T.S. Eliot From hust0011 at gold.tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 5 16:30:02 1996 From: hust0011 at gold.tc.umn.edu (Josh Huston) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: Search engine for home page Message-ID: <32064c5059d6956@mhub1.tc.umn.edu> >We'd like to offer a search engine for our library home page. >Currently we've got about 500 links and a small amount >of in-house full text. We'll want to use the search engine >with the Netscape Enterprise server software. > >I'd appreciate recommendations. Many thanks, -- Laura Cohen > You didn't mention what platform your web server is running off. But here what we did for our web server running on Linux 2.0 (UNIX platform): We find that Swish indexing/search engine is the most efficient and easy to set up and maintain than WAIS. Swish take less than half of hard disk space than WAIS database would take for the same amount of documents indexed. For further information, see: http://www.eit.com/software/swish/swish.html Then you'll need a CGI application to process the search results produced by Swish and return the results to the browser. We find that wwwwais is a good program and produces a good output. If you're a fairly good C programmer, you could make modifications to the code to your needs. wwwwais can be obtained at http://www.eit.com/software/wwwwais/ However, you'll need a GNU C compiler to compile those two packages to use it on your web server. I hope this info will help you to get started with search capabilities for your web site. Josh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Huston Internet: hust0011@gold.tc.umn.edu Jr. User Services Specialist hust0011@itlabs.umn.edu University of Minnesota Libraries root@zahav.lib.umn.edu 160 Wilson Library Phone: (612) 625-4343 Minneapolis, MN 55455 Fax: (612) 625-3428 From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Mon Aug 5 16:49:40 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: Map to Navigating the Web / II Message-ID: <9608052052.AA29004@library.berkeley.edu> _Map to Navigating the Web_ / Part II The supplemental map that was provided with the August issue of _PC Computing_ was apparently provided only with the news-stand copies. The contents of The Map, with classic sailing and ship icons, and hotlinks to choice Search Engines, Web Indexes and the New and Cool, etc. is available at: http://www.zdnet.com/pccomp/lowband/webmap/spmaps/map0896/ Real paper copies are available in bulk orders of 30 (or more) at $ 2.50 per map and a $ 4.50 handling charges. For full details on ordering call (212)503-5300. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "Save the Time of the User" From shymkog at tahoma.cwu.edu Mon Aug 5 17:02:51 1996 From: shymkog at tahoma.cwu.edu (Greg Shymko) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:35 2005 Subject: Job announcements [US]: Central Washington Univ. Message-ID: Central Washington University Library Vacancies [Note: Position descriptions also are on the World Wide Web at http://tahoma.cwu.edu:2000/~library/jobs/faculty.html] The Central Washington University Library seeks three librarians to help us provide high quality service in an academic environment increasingly reliant on electronic tools and networked information resources. There are opportunities to promote user education in a state-of-the-art electronic classroom, provide full-text delivery to users in multiple service locations across the state, and develop methods to share resources with other institutions. We seek librarians who are able to apply new technology, are sensitive to the needs of diverse users, and deeply committed to service, teaching and scholarship. Electronic Resources Librarian and Assistant Head of Reference ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Assistant Professor (tenure track), 12 month minimum salary $44,326. Reports to Head of Reference. Serves as a generalist with focus on library electronic resources, providing traditional and electronic reference service. Acts as a reference liaison with the library's Systems Department. Offers class instruction to library users. May rotate to other departments, such as Documents, in order to expand expertise in these areas. Serves as Head of Reference in the absence of the department head. Works some evenings and weekends. The Reference team includes seven librarians, two subject specialists, and a library technician. Qualifications Minimum: ALA accredited MLS or equivalent; strong public service orientation; demonstrated leadership, organizational, communication, and interpersonal skills; ability to work effectively in a team setting with students, staff, and faculty colleagues. Generalist with focus on library electronic resources. Five years professional reference experience in a university library, including both traditional and electronic reference resources. Experience in searching CD-ROM, Internet, and other online information resources. Desirable: Experience in designing and evaluating Internet-based reference tools. Creation of multimedia user instructional programs. Master Degree in computer science or in the natural sciences. Experience in library instruction. Leadership or supervisory library experience. Publication in refereed journals and participation in professional organizations. Reference Librarian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Lecturer (non-tenure track), 12 month minimum salary $28,000, or Assistant Professor (tenure track), 12 month minimum salary $33,937. Reports to the Head of Reference. Provides reference service using both traditional and electronic resources in an academic setting. Includes some evening and weekend hours. Participates in library user education and collection development. May rotate to other library departments, such as Government Documents, Maps, and Microforms in order to expand expertise in these areas. Qualifications Minimum: Lecturer (non-tenure track): ALA Accredited MLS or equivalent; strong public service orientation; demonstrated organizational, communication, and interpersonal skills; ability to work effectively in a team setting with students, staff and faculty colleagues. Assistant Professor (tenure track) additional requirements: five years professional university/college library experience or equivalent experience at other large library; an additional advanced degree or systematic course work may substitute for up to three years experience. Preference will be given to candidates with university/college library experience. Desirable: In order to round out our collective subject expertise, preference will be given to candidates with course work or a degree in the sciences. Experience with Innopac or other integrated library system. Experience and/or education in database and Internet searching and user instruction. Participation in professional organizations. Documents Librarian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Lecturer (non-tenure track), 12 month minimum salary $28,000, or Assistant Professor (tenure track), 12 month minimum salary $33,937. Report to the Head of Documents, Maps and Microforms Department. Assist in the management of a selective depository collection, a microform collection, and a map collection. Provide documents reference service and user instruction; engage in collection development; do original and copy cataloging of maps and Washington State documents using OCLC cataloging system; oversee use of Marcive services; assist library users with CD-ROM and Internet searching; supervise classified staff and student employees; work some evenings and weekends; may rotate to other departments, such as Reference, in order to expand expertise in these areas. The Documents, Maps, and Microforms Department includes two librarians and three library technicians. Qualifications Minimum: Lecturer (non-tenure track): ALA accredited MLS or equivalent; strong public services orientation; demonstrated organizational, communication, supervisory and interpersonal skills; ability to work effectively in a team setting with students, staff and faculty colleagues. Assistant Professor (tenure-track) additional requirements: five years professional university/college library experience or equivalent experience at other library; an additional advanced degree or systematic course work may substitute for up to three years experience. Preference will be given to candidates with university/college library experience. Desirable: Experience and/or education in: Documents, Maps, and Microforms Librarianship, OCLC online cataloging, CD-ROM database and Internet searching, Marcive or equivalent services, bibliographic instruction, participation in professional organizations. Rank and salary for Reference and Documents positions depend on experience. Lecturers will be eligible to apply for tenure track status when faculty code requirements for Assistant Professor rank have been met. Comprehensive benefits package includes 22 days vacation and TIAA- CREF. Application review will begin October 15, 1996, and continue until positions are filled. Send letter of application, resume, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of three current professional references to the appropriate search committee chair at the following address: Electronic Resources Librarian and Assistant Head of Reference Search Committee, Jennifer Jaques, Chair Reference Librarian Search Committee, Sara Amato, Chair Documents Librarian Search Committee, Daniel CannCasciato, Chair c/o Dean of Library and Media Services Central Washington University Library 400 E. 8th Avenue Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 Central Washington University has a strong commitment to increasing the diversity of its faculty, staff and student body. AA/EEO/Title IX Institution. CENTRAL WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY is a comprehensive state university which serves more than 8500 students, 1000 of which are enrolled in Centers in the Seattle/Tacoma area. Programs are offered through the College of Education and Professional Studies, College of Arts and Humanities, College of the Sciences, and the School of Business and Economics. The main campus is located in Ellensburg, a city of 13,000 east of the Cascade mountains. Ellensburg is a two-hour drive from Seattle, the major cultural center of the Pacific Northwest. Situated east of the Cascade mountains, the Kittitas Valley is known as one of the finest living environments in the Pacific Northwest. Greg Shymko shymkog@tahoma.cwu.edu Documents/Reference Librarian Central Washington University 509-963-1545 ------------------------------------------- From SWEETING at frick.org Wed Aug 7 09:25:00 1996 From: SWEETING at frick.org (Sweeting, Floyd) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: Archiving documents Message-ID: <320899E6@frick.org> Please respond to the list with the summary. We are interested in these issues as well. ~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~""~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~""~"~"~"~" Floyd T. Sweeting III, Head Information Systems Dept. The Frick Collection and Frick Art Reference Library 10 E. 71st Street NY, NY 10021 From farrip at rpi.edu Wed Aug 7 11:35:45 1996 From: farrip at rpi.edu (Polly-Alida Farrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: Job Posting:CWIS Coordinator Message-ID: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Libraries and Information Services Coordinator of the Campus Wide Information System The coordinator is responsible for the structure, standards, and content of the campus wide information system (RPInfo) and is a member of the Library Systems Automation Team which reports to the Director of Libraries and Information Services. Work closely with other Library staff; establish standards for document preparation tools and formats; participate on the RPInfo Support Team to provide information content and basic design for RPInfo; assist departments in participating in the campus wide information system, including demonstrating RPInfo, familiarizing information providers with RPInfo standards, practices, and procedures, and assisting them in finding software tools; incorporate new technologies and facilities into RPInfo to keep it a leading edge information service; develop and schedule training classes and demonstrations; work with News & Communications and other departments to create and maintain on-line collections of official logos, seals, photos, templates, etc.; create and maintain general campus/regional information; keep abreast of developments in the World Wide Web and other relevant information sharing technologies; design and produce related documentation; as well as perform other duties as assigned. Qualifications: A bachelor's degree; MLS or advanced degree in technical writing, graphics arts highly preferred. Demonstrated professional writing skills, (i.e. experience in journalism, editing, indexing or information management with major responsibilities for organization, format and delivery of information). Working knowledge of the World Wide Web concepts, practices, procedures, protocols, implementations, and HTML and other web markup languages and utilities. Experience with UNIX and personal computer document preparation programs such as word processors, desktop publishing, imaging software, etc. Technical understanding of computing and networking. Demonstrated superior interpersonal and communication skills; ability to teach and consult in a highly automated, networked environment. Must be team oriented, flexible and able to work both independently and collaboratively in a complex and changing environment. Minimum salary $30,000 Application review will begin September 1, 1996. Send letter of application, resume and the names of three references to Loretta Ebert, Director of Libraries and Information Services, Folsom Library, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180-3590. Rensselaer is an AA, EEO employer. Applications of minorities and women are strongly encouraged. From mshowalt at coa1.ci.austin.tx.us Wed Aug 7 14:30:53 1996 From: mshowalt at coa1.ci.austin.tx.us (Madeleine Showalter) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: New member Message-ID: <3208E0DD.596@library.ci.austin.tx.us> Just wanted to introduce myself, because I am a new member of the list. We have had a web site up since Feb. 1995. We are currently implementing public access to the web at the Library. Also, we are developing a WWW interface to our catalog, using DRAweb. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Madeleine Showalter mshowalt@library.ci.austin.tx.us Webmaster (512) 499-7461 Austin Public Library http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library From WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu Tue Aug 6 23:07:43 1996 From: WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu (Woodward Jeannette) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: Archiving documents Message-ID: <9608071712.AA20008@library.berkeley.edu> Hi Netters, Sorry to pester you again but last week I posted a message about needing information regarding local policies for archiving Internet documents. Well, I received about a hundred requests for summaries of the information I find but only about 8 actual replies to the questionnaire. It sounds as if many of you think this is an important issue but don't consider yourself to be the right person to answer the questions. If this is the case, could you forward my questions to the appropriate contact at your site? I'll summarize for the list since it seems to be of general interest. Thanks very much *************************************** If you have some responsibility for a site, would you mind answering these questions? Don't feel obligated to answer them all and please add any additional information that you think would be useful. How are decisions made concerning what is loaded and maintained at your site? Who decides when to remove a document? Why are documents removed? Is there any provision made for keeping archival copies of documents that have been removed? If you are a university site, what is the role of faculty in deciding what stays or goes? What is the role of your administration in deciding what stays or goes? If anyone at your site produces a regular publication like an electronic journal, would it be treated differently? How? Does your library have any specific role in archiving Internet documents? Do you have any formal system for dealing with drafts and final versions of documents? This may be covered in the questions above but if, let's say, Einstein posted his theory of relativity at your site and only at your site, and he's an unknown assistant professor, would that document be around five years from now in some form? Might it have disappeared into the ether? Would any steps have been taken to protect it? What steps do you think Internet sites should be taking to insure the permanence of important documents? Thanks so very much for your help. Please send your responses directly to me and if you like, I can send you a summary of the responses. Jeannette Woodward College of Santa Fe woodward@fogelson.csf.edu From CAROLINE at lib.uttyl.edu Wed Aug 7 17:46:32 1996 From: CAROLINE at lib.uttyl.edu (CAROLINE@lib.uttyl.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: printer problems Message-ID: <960807164632.c89f@lib.uttyl.edu> Hello group! Our situation: We are running three (soon to be six) 486 PC patron workstations. We provide Netscape, Telnet, and a z39.50 client on these machines. We use Windows 3.1, NOT Win for Workgroups . Though they are connected to the campus backbone, they don't talk to the Novell Server. They do talk to our Domain Name Server, I think. Until this time we have forced the students to download to floppy. The choice was their's as to taking a personal disk home or borrowing a disk and printing at a dedicated print station (an old clunker w/a new laser printer attached) at $.10 a page. Frankly, this laser "Print Station" is driving me mad (maintenance and virus protection and , yes, it needs a RAM upgrade too). I want to be able to provide printing to our students on the laser printer we have, BUT I don't want to buy & set up a LAN when there is no other reason than printing for these PC's to be on one. Other than setting up a connection to a 6 user switchbox ....is there any other way? Awaiting at least a dozen brilliant ideas, Caroline Allen Caroline@lib.uttyl.edu U of Texas at Tyler From klotz at forum.swarthmore.edu Wed Aug 7 15:37:03 1996 From: klotz at forum.swarthmore.edu (Gene Klotz) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: subscribe From msettem at ala.org Wed Aug 7 21:34:54 1996 From: msettem at ala.org (Marie-Louise Settem) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:36 2005 Subject: LITA/LAMA National Conference Message-ID: The following announcement was posted to: ACRL, ASIS-L, BI-L, BLACKLIB, COLLIB-L, GOVDOC-L, LIBADMIN, LIBREF-L, LITA-L, PACS-L, PUBLIB, WEB4LIB and VIFLIS. If you can think of somewhere else it should go, please forward this copy. *******Cross-posted to multiple lists******* LITA/LAMA National Conference EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION EXTENDED TO: AUGUST 19, 1996 "TRANSFORMING LIBRARIES: A national conference and exhibition on leadership and technology in the information age," is scheduled for October 13-16, 1996 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sponsored by the Library and Information Technology Association (LITA) and the Library Administration and Management Association (LAMA), divisions of the American Library Association. Check out the homepage: http://pitcairn.lib.uci.edu/lita-lama/ Or request a copy of the preliminary program!!! Call 1-800-545-2433, ext: 5037; TDD: 312/944-7298; or e-mail srussell@ala.org From libernet at midtown.net Sun Aug 11 01:14:16 1996 From: libernet at midtown.net (scharles) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:37 2005 Subject: windows 95 kernal update etc... Message-ID: <9608110514.AA14888@library.berkeley.edu> Hello: Recently I noticed a posting (on this listserv, I think) that mentioned a patch from Microsoft that took care of memory leaks when using windows sockets (krnlupd.exe is the file that gets downloaded from Microsoft.com). Anyway I downloaded it and installed it, and it seemed to work fine for a week or so. Today I notice that Windows 95 has locked up several times on me. I was wondering if anyone has had any trouble with Windows 95 locking up on a stand alone (and bare bones 486) PC. Coincedentally, I had a little bit of trouble with QVTnet, and small telenet program I use; I had to terminate it before it got a session fully under way. If anyone has any experience or thoughts on this, let me know. I will leave it up to the discretion of the individual to answer me personally or the list (either way is fine with me). Thanks much, Scott Charles From ace at Opus1.COM Sun Aug 11 09:38:08 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: Fwd: Millennium date crisis site Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960811055825.2b4f0aac@opus1.com> I thought this might be of interest to some. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! > =================== Forwarded Message =================== >From: randall@deweerd.org (Randall De Weerd) >Newsgroups: >comp.infosystems.www.announce,comp.lang.cobol,comp.software-eng,io.announce >Subject: Year 2000 Resource: Millennium Date Crisis >Date: 8 Aug 1996 01:46:22 -0400 >Organization: De Weerd Visions > >The Year 2000 Resource is now available > > >This site contains links to information and resources on the millennium >date crisis. The following topics are covered: > > * Description of the Problem > (What is the millennium date crisis and why is it such a big deal.) > > * Links to Solution Providers > (Anyone can get a link here. No advertising fees.) > > * Vendor Compliance Statements > (How will the new millennium affect your hardware/software.) > > * Conferences & Seminars > (Learn more about the problem & solutions.) > > * Bibliography > > * Other Sites devoted to the millennium date crisis > > * Miscellaneous year 2000 sites not related to the date crisis > > * Free for all Links > (Where you can add your own year 2000 links.) > >This is a non-commercial site, provided as a public service. I would like >to keep it as complete as possible. Please send any new links, comments, >or corrections to . > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Randall De Weerd >randall@deweerd.org Voice: (512) 613-8708 >http://www.deweerd.org/randall Fax: (512) 302-0160 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Forwarded by List Owner -------------------------------------------- >Elliott Parker BITNET: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM >Journalism Dept. Internet: elliott.parker@cmich.edu >Central Michigan University Compuserve: 70701,520 >Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 USA The WELL: eparker@well.com >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > If you want to unsubscribe, send the one-line of text > "SIGNOFF CARR-L" to LISTSERV@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU > From sac1 at stir.ac.uk Mon Aug 12 09:27:46 1996 From: sac1 at stir.ac.uk (Mr Steven Allan Carr) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: Web4lib : Bibliographic DB Icons. Message-ID: <9608120827.AA01171@stron11.stir.ac.uk> For members of the Web4lib mailing list. Hi, You may remember our project to build a draft standard set of ICONs for use in bibliographic information systems. Some 560 of you visited our site: http://lorne.stir.ac.uk/iconstd/ and voted for your choice of icons. For some categories, there were clear favorites. For several however, none of our suggested graphics was particularly liked, and some of you suggested improvements or whole new icons. The time has come for making a final choice for the icons to be presented to the IFLA Conference in Beijing on 24 August. PLEASE VISIT OUR SITE AGAIN BEFORE ****15 AUGUST**** There you will see many new icons for each category and the most popular icon graphics from the first round of voting. PLEASE DO REGISTER YOUR PREFERENCES ON THESE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE Many Thanks, Steve. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steven Carr sac1@stir.ac.uk Tel :- 01786 467256 -=-=-=-=-=-= Web : http://forth.stir.ac.uk/~sac1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From suzi at pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us Mon Aug 12 08:23:35 1996 From: suzi at pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Suzi Hayes) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: Community Consortium Message-ID: We are involved in a project to link many local resources and make them accessible via kiosks in addition to via library terminals. Examples include employment services, social services, police (eg tickets), educational institutions and the library. The internet is the common data transfer link. We want to be 'one stop shopping' for anything needed from county agencies. Is anyone else doing such a project? We'd like to hear about the impact on library services and other such related concerns. Suzi Hayes Broward County Library, Ft.Lauderdale Florida suzi@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us From swheeler at UBmail.ubalt.edu Mon Aug 12 10:41:02 1996 From: swheeler at UBmail.ubalt.edu (Susan Wheeler of IAS) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: Thanks re: -trace Message-ID: Thanks for the assistance. I have persuaded Lynx that we really do have a form mounted and any other problems are specific to our server. "A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again." Alexander Pope See you at the spring. Susan Wheeler Langsdale Library University of Baltimore Baltimore, MD swheeler@ubmail.ubalt.edu From matt at dasher.csd.sc.edu Mon Aug 12 10:49:16 1996 From: matt at dasher.csd.sc.edu (matt@dasher.csd.sc.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database Message-ID: Hello, I hope my first comment to the list generates some discussion. Please excuse the length, but I think some background will help the discussion. I am the current Director of MidNet, the community information network serving Columbia and the Midlands of South Carolina. We started with money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's Community-Wide Education and Information Service Program. Our founding sponsors were (and continue to be) the University of South Carolina, the Richland County Public Library, and South Carolina Educational Television. Our grant ran out on June 30, 1996, and we started charging an $18/year fee for a registered account. We are strictly non-profit, educational, and introductory in our focus. We receive some administrative and financial support from the University. In fact we are operated out of the College of Library and Information Science here at USC where I am also a very part-time student working on my Masters. We provide, dial-in access, free WWW services to non-profit agencies in the Midlands, inexpensive E-mail access, and free educational support through classes given at the library and university. I think we provide some good and necessary services to the community. On July 23 we received a Freedom of Information Act Request for "the complete database of information on users compiled under MidNet's operations." It was submitted by a local, commercial Internet service provider. (I quoted the request itself.) In other words, they want our mailing list so they can advertise with direct marketing. University legal council studied the situation and directed us to make available the information. Though I have been directed to not discuss the situation, I feel it is my duty to warn other folks in similar situations that it could happen to you too, and, if you are as opposed to the idea as I am, you need to study your organization and the law and prepare yourselves for what may come. I am sorry that it hit us out of the blue. I think it is a blatant misuse of the Act and bad business to boot! The Act was designed and implemented by Congress to make the government accountable to the people for possible abuses of power -- not to steal a membership database from a non-profit agency trying to make a difference through education and support. I view the surrender of our users' personal information as fundamentally wrong in every way. Has this happened to anyone else? I know most of you folks work for libraries and are protected somewhat, but I got a real problem because I consider myself a public librarian, and I don't want to give up this list. ( I am supposed to this Friday.) I also need discussion on how we can prevent this in the future, other than eliminating support from the university which, at this point, is vital. Please commiserate or tell me why I am wrong! Matthew Penn Director, MidNet matt@dasher.csd.sc.edu http://www.midnet.sc.edu From crumj at ohsu.edu Mon Aug 12 11:54:19 1996 From: crumj at ohsu.edu (Janet Crum) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database -Reply Message-ID: Hi, Matthew-- I'm not a lawyer, so I can't help you with the legality of this issue. I would like to suggest, though, that you notify your users of the situation, explaining that you have no choice and that they will probably hear from a private internet provider as a result of this action. If your attorneys consider it legal, you might also name the company that is making the request. The point of doing this is twofold: first, it helps reduce any ill will your users may feel toward you when they find out that their names have been released, and, second, it directs their hostility to the appropriate target. If they complain loudly enough to and about the company that made the request, it will harm that company's reputation, thus defeating the purpose of their request and perhaps deterring other companies from trying the same thing. I wish you the best of luck. Janet Janet Crum crumj@ohsu.edu Cataloger & Systems Librarian Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, OR >>> 08/12/96 08:26am >>> Hello, I hope my first comment to the list generates some discussion. Please excuse the length, but I think some background will help the discussion. I am the current Director of MidNet, the community information network serving Columbia and the Midlands of South Carolina. We started with money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's Community-Wide Education and Information Service Program. Our founding sponsors were (and continue to be) the University of South Carolina, the Richland County Public Library, and South Carolina Educational Television. Our grant ran out on June 30, 1996, and we started charging an $18/year fee for a registered account. We are strictly non-profit, educational, and introductory in our focus. We receive some administrative and financial support from the University. In fact we are operated out of the College of Library and Information Science here at USC where I am also a very part-time student working on my Masters. We provide, dial-in access, free WWW services to non-profit agencies in the Midlands, inexpensive E-mail access, and free educational support through classes given at the library and university. I think we provide some good and necessary services to the community. On July 23 we received a Freedom of Information Act Request for "the complete database of information on users compiled under MidNet's operations." It was submitted by a local, commercial Internet service provider. (I quoted the request itself.) In other words, they want our mailing list so they can advertise with direct marketing. University legal council studied the situation and directed us to make available the information. Though I have been directed to not discuss the situation, I feel it is my duty to warn other folks in similar situations that it could happen to you too, and, if you are as opposed to the idea as I am, you need to study your organization and the law and prepare yourselves for what may come. I am sorry that it hit us out of the blue. I think it is a blatant misuse of the Act and bad business to boot! The Act was designed and implemented by Congress to make the government accountable to the people for possible abuses of power -- not to steal a membership database from a non-profit agency trying to make a difference through education and support. I view the surrender of our users' personal information as fundamentally wrong in every way. Has this happened to anyone else? I know most of you folks work for libraries and are protected somewhat, but I got a real problem because I consider myself a public librarian, and I don't want to give up this list. ( I am supposed to this Friday.) I also need discussion on how we can prevent this in the future, other than eliminating support from the university which, at this point, is vital. Please commiserate or tell me why I am wrong! Matthew Penn Director, MidNet matt@dasher.csd.sc.edu http://www.midnet.sc.edu From fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net Mon Aug 12 12:31:11 1996 From: fmt000 at mail.connect.more.net (Donovan Lambright) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database Message-ID: <199608121631.LAA08945@lion.connect.more.net> Matthew: I'm no expert on the Freedom of Information Act, but there is a web site that has basic info on the Freedom of Information Act and the Privacy Act (related legislation) at: http://hi-tec.twc.state.tx.us/general/foia.htm Some quotes from Section II of this document: "The FOIA sets standards for determining which records must be disclosed and which records can be withheld." "The Privacy Act also restricts the disclosure of personally identifiable information by federal agencies...(some stuff deleted)...The two laws restrict disclosure of personal information to others when disclosure would violate privacy interests." I don't know if either of these points would provide you with an escape hatch, but they might be worth checking into (if your lawyer hasn't already). Also, I notice that this document refers to *Federal* agencies. Are you sure that your agency is covered by the Act? Hope this helps. Good Luck. Donovan Lambright Missouri River Regional Library Reference Librarian PO Box 89 Jefferson City, MO 65102-0089 (573) 634-2464 From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Mon Aug 12 14:06:03 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: [RE: NT platform performance vs. UNIX & Mac] Message-ID: <320F728B.5D15@opac.osl.state.or.us> Back on 8/5, I asked the list for comment about NT performance as a Web server, with specific focus on using it to host an INMAGIC database. I got several requests to post a summary. Not much response, but here 'tis. Cheers, -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D.//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.state.or.us ----------------------------------------------------------------- It's never too late to have a happy childhood. - Tom Robbins -------------------------------------------------- Ernest Perez wrote: > > We are considering converting a periodicals index database from a 3 > yr.-old installation of BRS running on a 486 (33mhz) under Unix, over to > an NT machine running INMAGIC's new Webbed version. BRS has performed > surprisingly well on the 486 (fast at the time), but we have a > concurrent user license limit, and BRS/Unix is a bit opaque for > flexibility in maintenance. > > We don't have any personal experience with NT or its performance > capability/track record. Could Web4Lib subscribers comment upon: > > * Ideas about "multi-user capacity" of a Web server and INMAGIC on an > NT-class machine? I know it's a stateless connection, but what kind of > user load 'fore performance bogs down? > (BTW, please, no polemics about the merits of various OSs.) > > * Learning curve and any obstacles for NT op sys? > > * Can NT work effectively on a decently fast 486, like a -66 or -100? > Or should you really use a Pentium? > > * What to use for scripting CGIs on an NT machine? I noted recent msg > by Mark Ellis about using a port of PERL or Visual Basic. Any other > candidates? > > Thanks, in advance, > > -ernest----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: NT platform performance vs. UNIX & Mac Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John Rutherford CCSU Library 203-832-2082 I don't have any firsthand information on the performance of an NT webserver vs. a unix web server. Most likely the Unix server will be faster than the NT server, though that may not be apparent to the user, and may not be a valid consideration in choosing a platform. I would say that you would be much better off with a Pentium class machine with 32MB ram minimum for NT 3.51, while a 486 could run a web server acceptable under most versions of unix. If you are interested in scripting languages and other tools for NT web servers, you may want to pick up copies of Byte magazine for the last 6 months or so. They have been running good articles documenting many of their efforts writing cgi programs and dynamic web documents using their NT and Unix platforms. They mention a number of software packages (including PERL) that have been useful to them. John Rutherford Conn State Univ. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: NT platform performance vs. UNIX & Mac Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:49:19 -0800 From: "Mark Ellis" Reply-To: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca Organization: Richmond Public Library Ernest, An NT based web server will run quite happily on a 486. However, if your going to be running INMAGIC on the same machine you should probably get a Pentium. Use a minimum of 32MB of RAM. Even a 486 could probably handle 20 to 30 people browsing simultaneously, or 10 users beating on it. I would guess you wouldn't want any more than 5 people trying to search the database simultaneously though--assuming they're actually looking at their results and not just trying to keep it busy. If you've been using Unix, NT will seem really easy; but you might miss Unix's command line facilities. If you've been using Macs, NT's user interface might make you a little grumpy at first, but you'll appreciate it's pre-emptive multi-tasking and crash protection. As for CGI alternatives to perl and VB, there's C/C++, TCL and DOS batch files (yech!) From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Mon Aug 12 14:52:28 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:38 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC In-Reply-To: The Big Glee Bopper "Re: HTML-MARC" (Aug 9, 13:38) References: Message-ID: <9608121152.ZM8816@gaia.ckm.ucsf.edu> In a related note... In examining the deployment of metadata formats on the WWW, the presence of a large body of MARC-binary format metadata records can't be ignored. I've been thinking about writing up a document on specifying an internet media type that describes enough of the properties of a MARC record so that content negotiation can be performed and if successful, MARC data served. A question to the librarian types out there (computer geeks, feel free to respond too)...Do you all think that the following would be sufficiently descriptive of the properties of an arbitrary MARC record to decide if your applications could understand both the encoding format as well as the semantics of each tag: type - USMARC, UKMARC ... - major type of marc rec rec - bib, opac, med, innspec, hold ... - type of data encoded auth - oclc, nlm, ucdla ... - encoding authority >From my experience with a small subset of MARC encodings, this seems to be enough information, but I'd appreciate it if you all would point out any show-stoppers that I've forgot. Also, a few years ago, we were talking about an SGML DTD for MARC. But we decided that MARC is a container for structured metadata as is SGML, so why another container? What exactly is the point of encoding MARC into SGML? That SGML (Hah!) is easier to parse than MARC? thanks, -marc -- From ychung at ucsd.edu Fri Aug 16 02:59:09 1996 From: ychung at ucsd.edu (Yi-Hung Chung) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library Message-ID: Hello librarians, we just setup the Win95 Public stations in our library branches. with the help from the list to make it a "boom-proof" as suggested in the FAQ. however, the problem I just discovered today MIGHT sound scary. from Start Menu, Open up the "Help".. from Help, user can almost access/run anything or browse the harddrive. for example, you can launch "notepad" or "explorer" from winhelp (or Winhlp32) when user is in the "browsing" mode (like open file after launching notepad from winhlp.. the user can use the "right-mouse" button <-- another SCARY thing. to change the file property, even delete "read-only" files, create new files... so on... so, does anyone know how to disable "help" in the start menu and mostly important .. how to disable right mouse button... thanks.. Yi-Hung Chung UCSD Library From kaym at laurel.humboldt.edu Fri Aug 16 08:36:21 1996 From: kaym at laurel.humboldt.edu (kay mary) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Video libraries In-Reply-To: from "Janet Crum" at Aug 15, 96 11:25:17 am Message-ID: <9608161236.AA32430@laurel.humboldt.edu> I just saw an announcement of a new book from Cornell University Library Department of Preservation called *Digital Imaging for Libraries and Archives*, by Anne R. Kenney and Stephen Chapman. It's supposed to cover digitizing video materials among other topics. Since the cost is $75 plus $5 s&h prepaid, you might want to contact Mary Arsenault at mla4@cornell.edu with any questions. Mary Kay Humboldt State University Library > > I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this question, but I'm hoping > there's someone out there with some expertise with setting up a video library. > We have been contacted by the pr department on campus about organizing their > video footage into a "digital library." They are interested in eventually > putting the materials on some type of file server; I immediately thought of > using Web technology, which is why I'm posting my question here. Are any of you > out there familiar with the process of digitizing video and making it available > via a Web server? Do you know how other news organizations organize their video > footage? > > You may reply to me directly, if you wish, and I'll summarize for the list if > there's sufficient interest. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Janet > > > Janet Crum > crumj@ohsu.edu > Cataloger & Systems Librarian > Oregon Health Sciences University > Portland, OR > From ace at Opus1.COM Fri Aug 16 09:01:25 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Video libraries Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960816052113.089f01f4@opus1.com> Check with the British Columbia Archives and Records Service at http://www.bcars.gs.gov.bc.ca/general/information/1-2.txt They are attempting to digitize everything in their path, hopefully someone there has some advice for you. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! At 11:19 AM 8/15/96 -0700, Janet Crum wrote: >I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this question, but I'm hoping >there's someone out there with some expertise with setting up a video library. >We have been contacted by the pr department on campus about organizing their >video footage into a "digital library." They are interested in eventually >putting the materials on some type of file server; I immediately thought of >using Web technology, which is why I'm posting my question here. Are any of you >out there familiar with the process of digitizing video and making it available >via a Web server? Do you know how other news organizations organize their video >footage? > >You may reply to me directly, if you wish, and I'll summarize for the list if >there's sufficient interest. > >Thanks in advance. > > >Janet > > >Janet Crum >crumj@ohsu.edu >Cataloger & Systems Librarian >Oregon Health Sciences University >Portland, OR > From mhuber1 at umbc.edu Fri Aug 16 09:06:16 1996 From: mhuber1 at umbc.edu (Michael Huber) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > we just setup the Win95 Public stations in our library branches. > with the help from the list to make it a "boom-proof" as suggested in the > FAQ. > however, the problem I just discovered today MIGHT sound scary. Get a Demo copy of WinShield. It will remove most or all of those pesky problems. Kent March Bldg 3260 Sul Ross Houston, TX 77098 (713) 522-LOCK Mike Huber Computer Support Albin O. Kuhn Library Univ of MD Baltimore County --------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The thoughts and ideas expressed above are mine and mine alone. | | Michael Huber mhuber1@umbc.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ace at Opus1.COM Fri Aug 16 09:47:02 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: FYI--Site Security Handbook url Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960816060651.089f27d4@opus1.com> It is helpful to read the current Site Security Handbook draft guidelines from IETF. You can find it at: http://www.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ssh-handbook-03.txt Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! From brh at agrl.lib.sc.us Fri Aug 16 09:49:57 1996 From: brh at agrl.lib.sc.us (Bruce R. Heimburger) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Dynix and web isp relations References: Message-ID: <32147C85.55AA@agrl.lib.sc.us> Speaking for a library that is a Dynix client and a user of their NetConnect product, I suspect the questioner was referring to NetConnect. Otherwise to my knowledge Dynix (Ameritech Library Services) does not offer/provide web site services. The original NetConnect product comes with 'httpd' but no documentation on how to set it up, although if one were to pay the standard hourly fee, I'm sure Dynix would be glad to help. Fortunately, I have found someone in town willing to "show and tell" about setting up a web server and not charge an arm and a leg. NetConnect II, which is still in development, is supposed to include web server software and documentation that is user friendly. The Big Glee Bopper wrote: > > I was asked by a public librarian what was the best way for them to do > their web site: Dynix, their opac provider, or the local ISP. I suggested > the local ISP because they will have problems and the ISP is local which > means better and quicker support for web site problems. Have any folks > had any experiences working with Dynix supporting their entire web site? > Please email and if their is interest I will repost and probably blank > out identifiers is there are problems. > > --Thanks, Thom -- Bruce R. Heimburger - - - - - - - Abbeville-Greenwood Regional Library office: 864-941-4653 106 N. Main Street e-mail: brh@agrl.lib.sc.us Greenwood, SC 29646 Voice: 864-941-4650 Fax: 864-941-4651 ** L+I+B+R+A+R+Y = The Formula for Lifelong Education ** From timothyr at library2.websteruniv.edu Fri Aug 16 10:46:30 1996 From: timothyr at library2.websteruniv.edu (Timothy Renick) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Martin Cohen wrote: <> > We started with Linux 0.96 and at that time I would not have done it > without the help of an interested computer science professor / Unix guru. We have also been using Linux for well over a year on a 90 Pentium with 32 meg of RAM. It is running our web, email, gopher, and WAIS servers. We started with a 1.x version of the kernel and it was buggy for us. It would run fine for about 3 months and lockup every couple of hours for about 3 days. The lockups would then taper off and it would run fine again. Not to long ago, I upgraded the kernel to 1.2.13 and it has not choked once. For me, IMHO, the important part of Martin's statement above, is that he had the help of a local "Guru". Our Linux box is a legacy system for me. In my situation, there is no local help to go to when I have a question. In this thread, people have been discussing how easy it is to install. I believe that that is an important but small issue. I had temporary use of an old computer for a while. I reinstalled Linux on it five or six times to get it down. The real problems begin after it is installed. Now you have to have the knowledge to maintain and run the unit. Regardless of how easy it is to install, or how flexible it is, it is still a UNIX like system and there is a steep curve to overcome. Another issue to think about is Martin's first statement below. As I hinted to above, there is no replacement for local help. I have been in the unfortunate situation of frantically posting to listservs and usenet groups for answers when I have had problems. It is not pretty. The moral of my rantings is that Linux is a good, powerful, and complex system. If you are considering it, learn it BEFORE you put it into production. > Now I think that Linux expertise is at least as available as any other > Unix-on-Intel expertise. Maybe more so in the library community, as it's > possible to set up a Linux box and experiment oneself at very low cost. <> Timothy Renick Eden-Webster Library St. Louis, MO 63119 timothyr@library2.websteruniv.edu From pkonshak at carmel.lib.in.us Fri Aug 16 10:08:51 1996 From: pkonshak at carmel.lib.in.us (Peter Konshak) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960816140851.0067bdbc@198.247.13.10> At 12:19 AM 8/16/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello librarians, > > we just setup the Win95 Public stations in our library branches. >with the help from the list to make it a "boom-proof" as suggested in the >FAQ. We're going to be putting five Internet workstations running Windows 95 out for the public in a couple weeks. I'm using a program called Win-U which disables the right mouse click, etc. The program allows you to create buttons which the user clicks on to enter programs (in our case, Netscape). I haven't been able to hack out of this program. It also allows you to put time limits and passwords on programs. It's reasonably priced at $29.95/copy or $200 for a site license. You can download a free trial at: http://www.bardon.com And no, I don't work for them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter Konshak pkonshak@carmel.lib.in.us Computer Technology Coordinator Carmel Clay Public Library -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Fri Aug 16 09:19:54 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Chuck Bearden) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library Message-ID: At Houston Public Library, we rename the help EXE files (WINHELP.EXE and WINHLP32.EXE) when we "lock down" a public workstation. We have a batch file that makes this and many other changes to the system & registry. When WINHELP.EXE and WINHLP32.EXE are renamed, the system can't find them and so a patron gets an error message when they choose Start | Help. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Catalog Department voice: 713/247-3499 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-3158 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- From moseley at netcom.com Fri Aug 16 10:53:28 1996 From: moseley at netcom.com (Bill Moseley) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: [restrictions] settings Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960816145328.006c7374@netcom.com> This question comes up often (this time on another list) so I thought it might be helpful to post here. At 01:20 PM 8/15/96 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if someone could repost a good list of options for the >progman.ini [restrictions] section, or perhaps point me to a source or >documentation. I've got them all in my notes here and there but am >having a hard time bringing it together. Thanks! In progman.ini [restrictions] ; define the restriction section of progman.ini NoSaveSettings=1 ; disable save settings on exit and double-click on ; the close button to save settings. NoClose=1 ; disables exit - can use Ctrl-Alt-Delete to shutdown ; if running as the shell in Win 95. NoFileMenu=1 ; This disables entire file menu "NoFileMenu" is the most restrictive since it removes the entire file menu and all functions on that menu. You can't change an icon's properties, (or even see the properties), move, create, delete icons, etc. If you don't want to restrict that much (which I don't know why) you can do a number of things: (If you do use NoFileMenu=1 then you don't need any of these below) ********** NOTE ***************** There is a bug in Program Manager with the EditLevel setting that allows creation of New icons even if disabled on the File Menu. Therefore, I suggest using NoFileMenu instead of EditLevel. - Set a .grp file as readonly and then you can't move or delete the icons for that group. - You can use the "NoRun=1" to remove the Run command only. - You can use the [restrictions] setting "EditLevel=" for different levels of restrcitions. Again, "NoFileMenu=1" will be most restrictive. EditLevel=1 If I remember it doesn't do anything. EditLevel=2 remove the Move, Copy, New, and Delete for an icon. Editlevel=3 Can't change the icon's command line and disables the "Browse" button from the icon's properties setup dialog. Can still change the icon's Description, Working Directory, Icon, and Shortcut key. Editlevel=4 removes all items from the properties page. You can't change the settings, but you can still see what they are set as. By using the NoFileMenu setting you can keep people from looking at the properties at all (and prevent them from seeing where your programs are located. Hope this helps (and is correct ;) Bill Moseley mailto:moseley@netcom.com From matt at dasher.csd.sc.edu Fri Aug 16 11:35:37 1996 From: matt at dasher.csd.sc.edu (matt@dasher.csd.sc.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: FOI Request Message-ID: Well I must say I have been overwhelmed with responses to my post about the FOI request for MidNet's database. My only mistake was suggesting (did I?) that the university lawyers were negligent in their duties (at least a lot of folks took it that way.) The law we are responding to is a South Carolina law (which I didn't know at the time), not the federal FOIA. There is a difference, and there is some case law here that says name and address are not private. So there goes the privacy clause. Thanks for all the comments and please forward this comment where you forwarded the last one so everybody knows we do have good lawyers at USC. (We haven't given the database yet.) I will post a summary of the outcome when the time comes. Matthew Penn Director, MidNet matt@dasher.csd.sc.edu http://www.midnet.sc.edu From mhuber1 at umbc.edu Fri Aug 16 12:46:42 1996 From: mhuber1 at umbc.edu (Michael Huber) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960816142933.006be898@dorcas.indwes.edu> Message-ID: > Do you know if there's a Web page for description of this product or > download options? http://www.kentmarsh.com/ I found it via a search on "winshield" from http://www.yahoo.com/ Mike Huber Computer Support Albin O. Kuhn Library Univ of MD Baltimore County --------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The thoughts and ideas expressed above are mine and mine alone. | | Michael Huber mhuber1@umbc.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chightow at gort.ucsd.edu Fri Aug 16 14:24:11 1996 From: chightow at gort.ucsd.edu (Christy Hightower) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: strange Alta Vista citation results Message-ID: I have been getting very strange results from Alta Vista when I try to get citation counts. Has this happened to anyone else? Can anyone speculate on the cause? I sent email to Alta Vista weeks ago but as yet no answer. Here is what happens: In the Advance search form I choose display as count only, and enter this search: link:http://scilib.ucsd.edu/ AND NOT url:http://scilib.ucsd.edu/ I get 2218 as the answer. Then, without changing anything, I immediately click on the submit query button again. The count changes to 1344. If I submit it again, the count changes to 1059. Then I requested a fresh new advanced search form, and entered the exact same search. This time the answer was 733. Whats happening here? -- Christy Hightower UCSD Science & Engineering Library chightow@ucsd.edu From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Fri Aug 16 15:18:13 1996 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <9608161918.AA26133@library.berkeley.edu> Martin J. Cohen wrote: >We've been running a Web server on Linux for two years. >I like the idea of running Linux with X as public station clients in >place of Windows 3.x - for a graphical browser, etc. >.... This idea has also occurred to me. It would solve many of the problems that are caused by using an inherently insecure system like Win3.x/95, without the expense of using NT. I have never found Linux too hard to set up, though getting all the video/monitor info sorted out can be a pain if you don't have all the specs or a set up with a canned solution. If you have multiple public workstations with the same hardware though, you only have to do the set up once and then you can clone it easily enough. There are two issues that make me hesitate to actually put this into practice: printing and downloads. Printing works nicely enough from Linux/Netscape, especially to a networked postscript printer with a suitable print server, but we, like many/most people are moving in the direction of charging for printing. Whether or not there is a simple way to integrate unix style printing into most vendacard printing systems is open to question. I don't know if anyone has done any research into this; it may be a non-issue, but it is one more thing to worry about. Linux will mount DOS floppies, and though there are scripts that will allow non-privileged users to mount/dismount a floppy, I see no easy way to explain people used to DOS that you cannot just insert/remove a disk without mounting/dismounting it as well. Maybe there is some clever work around for this that I have not discovered -- perhaps leaving the floppy permanently mounted and having a cron job flushing writes to it regularly would suffice. If all else fails it would probably possible to write a special device driver that mounted the disk only for the duration of the write, but it's well beyond me :-). Unfortunately, many of these good sounding projects that seem feasible but have no guarantee of success, take up too much precious time to try on spec. If some one has words of wisdom about the printing/disk issues I'd love to hear it and try Linux & X for the public. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Wigg "Just another guy, you know?" Evanston Public Library e-wigg@evanston.lib.il.us Evanston, Illinois From shaffer at uic.edu Fri Aug 16 14:26:54 1996 From: shaffer at uic.edu (Christopher J. Shaffer) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: [restrictions] settings Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960816182654.08df958e@POP3SERV7.cc.uic.edu> At 11:59 AM 8/16/96 -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: >This question comes up often (this time on another list) so I thought it >might be helpful to post here. > >At 01:20 PM 8/15/96 -0600, you wrote: >>I was wondering if someone could repost a good list of options for the >>progman.ini [restrictions] section, or perhaps point me to a source or >>documentation. I've got them all in my notes here and there but am >>having a hard time bringing it together. Thanks! > > [snip] > >By using the NoFileMenu setting you can keep people from looking at the >properties at all (and prevent them from seeing where your programs are located. Don't assume that progman.ini [restrictions] will adequately protect your system by themselves. They're nice to prevent accidental edits/deletes, but by themselves they won't stop a knowledgeable hacker. For example, they don't prevent users from viewing or manipulating files with programs like FTP. ----- "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." --Albert Einstein Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ From millarj at lib.muohio.edu Fri Aug 16 17:06:25 1996 From: millarj at lib.muohio.edu (John Millard) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: WebSPIRS for Linux. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >WebSPIRS for Linux? Is silverplatter's port ready? Great. > WebSPIRS has been out for a while for Linux. However, the second part of the equation if you want to serve your local SP CD-ROMS is an ERL server. As of the last time we checked, Silver Platter was still beta testing the Linux version of the ERL server software. Apologies in advance if this has been answered already, -John ----------------------------------------------------------- John Millard (millarj@muohio.edu) Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian Miami University Oxford, OH ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.lib.muohio.edu/~millarj/ From ychung at ucsd.edu Fri Aug 16 17:29:18 1996 From: ychung at ucsd.edu (Yi-Hung Chung) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Win95 Public stations in Library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for everyone who gave me suggestions and ideas. I just change the Win95 Shell to NALW95.EXE (NetWare Application Launcher for Win95) and running off from a NetWare v4.10 server (where our CDs and netscape reside..., and NAL is acting as a menu utility, too.) Also, I did make some changes about the winhlp32.exe according to the suggestions from this list. Thanks.. Yi-Hung Chung UCSD Library From jkup at powernet.net Fri Aug 16 20:51:45 1996 From: jkup at powernet.net (John Kupersmith) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:41 2005 Subject: Netscape printing 2 copies Message-ID: <199608170051.RAA29600@server2.powernet.net> On one of our PC's, Netscape 2.0 prints 2 copies of any web page. It will not print just one copy. The printer involved is an HP LaserJet 4P (attached directly, not on a LAN). The default setting in both Netscape Print Setup and WFWG 3.11 Printer Setup is 1 copy. There doesn't seem to be anything in NETSCAPE.INI that relates to this. Other programs on the same machine print 1 copy of a document with no problem. I don't find anything in the Web4Lib archive or Netscape 2.x FAQ that helps. Any advice would be appreciated. --jk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Kupersmith jkup@washoe.lib.nv.us Internet Services Librarian http://www.washoe.lib.nv.us Washoe County Library voice: 702-785-4137 301 South Center St., Reno, NV 89501 fax: 702-785-4609 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com Tue Aug 20 04:38:42 1996 From: tcopley at gigantor.arlington.com (Thomas P. Copley) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT> Fall '96 Make the Link Workshops Message-ID: MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP (WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE) The Make the Link Workshop (World Wide Web for Everyone) is an eight week long distance learning workshop conducted entirely by e-mail. It introduces the beginner to the World Wide Web (WWW), the Internet's distributed hypermedia information system, and enhances the skills of the somewhat more experienced user as well. The WWW is a powerful hyper-textual medium for integrating all of the resources of the Internet. You can read through a page of text, and on the spur of the moment, link to related information anywhere in the world. For example, after reading a short piece on twentieth century abstract art, you can link to and view a collection of color prints of paintings by Picasso, Klee, and Mondrian. High school history students reading about Sir Winston Churchill can link to a page where, at the click of a mouse button, recordings of his actual speeches can be played. A business woman in Paris, France can check out the "home page" of her counterpart in Montreal, Canada, complete with her picture and professional vita. There are thousands of computers throughout the world on the Web, and literally millions of interconnected WWW pages, and all are easily accessible from your desktop computer. The first graphical WWW browsers became available in 1993. Since the introduction of the hugely successful Netscape Navigator in 1994, WWW browsers have provided access to most of the main Internet functions, including the WWW, FTP, gopher, telnet, USENET news, e-mail, and real-time audio and video. The WWW, or simply, "the Web" has become the Internet's "killer application" that integrates a variety of media, including text, images, sound, video and small computer programs called applets. For example, a chemistry student can view a three-dimensional picture of a molecule, and view it from any direction or simply make it appear to slowly rotate in space on the screen. New programming languages, such as Java and JavaScript, have been developed for creating a myriad of imaginative applets on the Web. Online commerce has become a reality through the magic of HTML forms and CGI (Common Gateway Interface) scripts. For example, you can view an on-line catalog of CD-ROM games with Netscape, fill a virtual shopping cart with CDs you have selected, pay for your order electronically, and have your games delivered by express mail the following day. Having a WWW home page providing one's personal information has become the 1990's version of the business card, resume, voice mail, and on occasion, electronic recreation area, all rolled into one. In fact, the WWW provides an opportunity to participate and collaborate with others at many levels. It can be a great way to network with colleagues and associates or even to reach potential customers concerning products or services. The Make the Link Workshop will focus on how to gain maximum advantage from this simple to use, yet very sophisticated, Internet tool. During the Workshop, you will learn: * How to gain access to the WWW, including information on setting up a direct TCP/IP connection to the Internet (SLIP/CSLIP/PPP). * How to link to specific Web resources using Uniform Resource Locators (URLs). This includes how to construct URLs for various kinds of resources, such as WWW, gopher, FTP, telnet, etc. * How to distinguish between various kinds of WWW browsers, including Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Internet Explorer, NCSA Mosaic, Arena, Lynx, etc. and the strengths and weaknesses of each. * How to navigate Webspace and use various searching tools such as Alta Vista, Infoseek, Inktomi, Wandex, CMU Lycos, WebCrawler, and others. * To make WWW bookmarks and organize your bookmarks with Hypertext Markup Language (HTML). * How to effectively and efficiently design your own home page with HTML, and how to install it on a server. * The principles of good home page design, in order to project a favorable image for you and/or your employer or business. * The advantages and disadvantages of HTML editors, such as Hot Dog, PageMill, HoTMetaL, and HTML Assistant, and related utilities. * How to understand the multimedia formats used on the Web, including those for images, audio and video. Dates: In order to accommodate difficult schedules, three workshops are planned. (Sessions I through XII were conducted earlier.) Session XIII....... September 3 - October 20 Session XIV........ September 16 - November 3 Session XV......... October 1 - November 17 The cost of the Workshop is $20 US. Sign up for ONE session only unless you plan to take the Workshop more than once. To sign up for one of the Make the Link Workshop sessions, please send an e-mail message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include: subscribe links13 to subscribe to Session XIII, or subscribe links14 to subscribe to Session XIV, or subscribe links15 to subscribe to Session XV. This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about the Workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send e-mail to this address: tcopley@arlington.com In order to get the most from this Workshop it is helpful to have access to a WWW browser program, either by remote access, or by actually running one on your own computer directly connected to the Internet. If you wish to run Netscape or another browser you will need to have a computer with a TCP/IP connection, that is, a direct connection to the Internet. Information will be provided during the workshop about how to set up a TCP/IP connection. In order to participate in the Workshop you only need access to e-mail. However, it is very desirable to actually use a WWW browser. The Workshop leader, Thomas P. Copley, Ph.D., taught the popular Make the Link Workshop several times this year and last. During 1994-5 he taught the Go-pher-it Workshop almost a dozen times. Go-pher-it was one of the first Internet workshops taught entirely by e-mail. Dr. Copley is one of the founders of the Electronic University in San Francisco, and is an experienced instructor of distance learning courses via networks. In addition to consulting for Apple Computer, Inc. on hyper-textual distance learning software, Copley has served on the faculties of Washington State University, Antioch College, and Armstrong University. He is also the Editor of the electronic newsletter the TELELEARNING NETWORK SYNTHESIZER. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Make the Link Workshop http://www.crl.com/~gorgon/ From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Tue Aug 20 07:57:04 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Pay for pages? -Reply Message-ID: I'm glad Sara Weissman brought this up. "isn't creating web pages part of our job, responsibility, profession?" You go girl! We do not need more pay ghettos. There is a subterranean gender issue here, too--the more technical areas of librarianship tend to be more male and tend to be better-paid. Let's keep basic skills BASIC and make them REQUIRED and put them in our RFPs and our JOB DESCRIPTIONS and use them to evaluate LIBRARY DEGREE PROGRAMS. And folks who don't want to learn these skills need not apply to our profession. Every profession has a few hoops you need to jump through to prove you have the right stuff--I think HTML is a pretty obvious hoop that separates the wannabes from the Real Cybrarians. Of course, if someone wanted to pay me extra every time I post to a discussion list, I'm all for it. ;) Karen G. "great coffee this morning!" Schneider opinions mine alone From mfriley at erols.com Tue Aug 20 10:02:06 1996 From: mfriley at erols.com (Margaret F. Riley) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Pay for pages? -Reply Message-ID: <199608201402.KAA02336@smtp2.erols.com> At 05:39 AM 8/20/96 -0700, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: >I'm glad Sara Weissman brought this up. "isn't creating web >pages part of our job, responsibility, profession?" You go girl! Creating resources to aid our users in locating information has always been a part of our profession. The format changes, but the responsibility remains the same. >Let's keep basic skills BASIC and make them REQUIRED and >put them in our RFPs and our JOB DESCRIPTIONS and use >them to evaluate LIBRARY DEGREE PROGRAMS. And folks >who don't want to learn these skills need not apply to our >profession. I keep smiling and thinking back to the first CD-ROMs introduced to the libraries. Hey, we managed PAC systems, CD-ROMs, LANs, and Dialog. Toss another infosystem into the pack and let me at it! >Karen G. "great coffee this morning!" Schneider Margaret "Yeah, Football is Back!" Riley go ahead, *ask* my opinion. :-) Margaret F. Riley Internet Consultant The Riley Guide 3726 Nimitz Road http://www.jobtrak.com/jobguide/ Kensington, MD 20895-1700 mfriley@erols.com (301) 946-1917 mfriley@ultranet.com ######################################## "The Guide to Internet Job Searching" by Margaret Riley, Frances Roehm, and Steve Oserman. VGM Career Horizons, April 1996. 1-800-323-4900 From samb at wri.org Tue Aug 20 10:22:35 1996 From: samb at wri.org (Sam Boltik) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Pay for pages? -Reply Message-ID: Why shouldn't the development of Web pages mean a pay increment? Your run of the mill pretty text may not be a big deal, but the development and management of a dynamic and interactive site can (and often does) include learning a great deal of technical material, programming, graphic manipulation, scripting, machine configuration, server administration etc. etc. ad infinitum Just as libraries typically pay someone with more education (the M.L.S. vs a BA) more money, they also typically pay someone with the second Masters more than someone with only the M.L.S.. Why then shouldn't someone who has developed the other skills areas be paid more for bringing those skills to their position. Systems and Network Librarians have typically done better in the pay envelope than others - and why shouldn't they? Those who conduct orientations, provide bibliographic instruction, teach research methods courses or act as program liaisons are often able to parlay that experience (assumption of additional duties) into a higher pay rate when they go through a job transition - be it an annual review at the present employer or when switching employers. Adding to ones range of knowledge and skills is all part of professional development. We all seek (at least I hope we all seek) all reasonable professional development opportunities to learn and grow as professionals and as individuals, not only to add to our marketability, but also to increase our value to those that we provide services to and to increase our own satisfaction with our careers. Taking on additional duties above and beyond one's present position should be rewarded. Yes/no? Just some random ranting from the east coast.... SamB >>> Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library 08/19/96 07:10pm >>> **this is NOT about running a site SERVER** Karen Commings posting got me to thinking: did librarians ask for more pay when catalog cards went from by hand to typewritten, from typewriter to word processor? do we ask for more pay when we do a bibliography, newsletter, BI class, story hour? isn't creating web pages part of our job, responsibility, profession? Isadore Gilbert Mudge and the ALA both said/say we will prepare ("package" is the 90s term) information for our patrons, make it accessible. (Why) should? creating web pages mean a pay increment? From ssparr at libofmich.lib.mi.us Tue Aug 20 11:30:34 1996 From: ssparr at libofmich.lib.mi.us (Susan Parr) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Access to Michigan: The Michigan Electronic Library (MEL) Message-ID: Access for Michigan: The Michigan Electronic Library (MEL) Announcing an opportunity to learn about a unique World Wide Web information resource available to all citizens of Michigan! A day-long conference is being held to introduce this service that offers both quality content and access at no charge to the user. Featured speakers include: George Needham, State Librarian, Library of Michigan Lisa deGruyter, Manager of Electronic Library Services, Texas State Library Linda Schatz, Office of the Michigan Information Network (MIN) Other topics to be presented: Overview of MEL Collection Development and Organization of MEL Community Networking and Local Support for MEL Public Access Issues and Policies Using MEL for Information Retrieval This conference is to be held on Wednesday, September 11, 1996, 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. in the Library of Michigan Forum Auditorium, 717 West Allegan, Lansing, Michigan. Registration cost: $10.00-- Please make checks payable to the State of Michigan. A box lunch is included and .6 Continuing Education Units (CEUs) are available. Pre-registration is required-- to register please include the following information: Name Social Security # (last 4 digits) Library Affiliation Address/ City/ Zip Phone # Fax # Email Mail registration information to: Donna Holdridge Library of Michigan P.O. Box 30007 717 West Allegan Lansing, MI 48909 or email at dholdrid@libofmich.lib.mi.us. Please contact Donna if you have any questions, special needs or accessibility requirements. Directions to the Library of Michigan: � From I-96 or I 69, exit onto US-27 and proceed to downtown Lansing via I-496. � From I-496, exit onto Martin Luther King/Logan St. (M-99) and proceed north 4 blocks to Washtenaw Street. Turn right (east) onto Washtenaw to the Library�s main entrance. Parking is available at the ticket booth just west of the traffic circle. From rharrington at jjhill.org Tue Aug 20 10:59:06 1996 From: rharrington at jjhill.org (Rich Harrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Suggested Plug-Ins/Helper Apps Message-ID: 15132157901895@jjhill.org Thanks to all who responded to my question about which plug-ins/helper apps to set up on a public Netscape workstation. I received 7 responses. Times Suggested - Application ----------------------------- 3 - Telnet client 2 - Adobe Acrobat (PDF viewer) 2 - Real Audio (streamed audio -- http://www.realaudio.com) 2 - (SoftQuad's) Panorama 1.0 (SGML) http://www.sq.com/products/panorama/pan-free.htm 2 - ShockWave (audio/animation product -- http://www.macromedia.com) 1 - Ghostscript and/or Ghostview (for PostScript files) 1 - Indeo (AVI video files) see http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/papr/mpixhome.html or download directly from http://www.intel.com/pc-supp/multimed/indeo/ 1 - L View Pro (photo viewing sw?) http://www.lview.com 1 - MS Paintbrush or other PCX viewer 1 - Powerpoint viewer 1 - Streamworks (streamed video -- http://www.xing.com) 1 - TIFF viewer (list at http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/imagehelp.html) 1 - VDO Live (streamed video -- http://www.vdolive.com) 1 - VRML Virtual Reality pages, e.g. Live 3D -- http://home.netscape.com/ comprod/products/navigator/live3d/download_live3d.html 1 - Word for Windows viewer (MS WordView http://www.microsoft.com/msword or View http://delta.com/arcaine. URLs from InfoWorld 8-12-96 p.43) 1 - Z39.50 client As I investigated them, many of these turned out to be excellent suggestions, and I probably will use a number of them on our public access Internet computers. I want to strike a balance between making a heck of a lot of work for me tightening down these (Win 3.11) PCs and giving our patrons the helper apps they need for their business research. Thanks to Ulrich Babiak, Anthony Troncale, Linda Hyman, Elizabeth Brown, Mary Doyle, Steve Cramer, and Chuck Bearden for their suggestions and willingness to answer. Rich ---------- Rich Harrington Electronic Services Department James J. Hill Reference Library, St. Paul, MN USA rharrington@jjhill.org From powerdan at intersurf.com Tue Aug 20 12:08:24 1996 From: powerdan at intersurf.com (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: McNeese State University Website Announcement Message-ID: The McNeeese State University Library in Lake Charles, LA proudly announces their new Website at: http://www.mcneese.edu/depts/library The library page is designed for a fast load on most text and graphic browsers (low images and no tables). The Government Documents, Serials, and Reference sections are already well developed. The Online Catalog is available through this site. Also, look at the main McNeese State University page at: http://www.mcneese.edu to see an outstanding university Website. Be sure to look at the spotlight section for the newest additions. Dan Kissane Assistant System Librarian McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA 70605 "opinions mine alone" From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Tue Aug 20 12:46:56 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: [Fwd: FlexED HTML Editor] Message-ID: <3219EC00.7629@opac.osl.state.or.us> If you haven't looked at FlexEX HTML Editor for Windows, you might want to give it a try. I first heard about it in a Web4Lib note, and it's gone through a couple of minor version upgrades since then. It ain't a heavy-duty "site maintenance" system. It is simple and easy and clear to use, so much so that I've found it quite productive to use in teaching HTML classes. Takes but a moment to get many of the students up to really productive work. You can essentially forget about the syntax learning curve, and concentrate on what you're doing. Some students produce screens that can really impress you, by the end of the first class! The HELP screens are spare, but helpful. The "Reference" screen in help is really an entry into a quite nice HTML command manual, with explanation, syntax, examples, etc. FlexED has a decent internal HTML viewer, so that you don't have to worry about making sure you can load it simultaneously with your Web browser, have to start your Winsock, etc. It has NICE tabular "wizards" for setting the parameters of HTML commands, so that you can play with the settings and appearance, whilst you see the effect in the (optional) split screen HTML viewer window. It's worth looking at, and at $25, isn't gonna break your Web Development Budget. Cheers, -ernest Ernest Perez, Ph.D.//Oregon State Library//perez@opac.state.or.us --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Outside of a dog, man's best friend is a book; inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx --------------------------------------------------------------------- tekin@zip.com.au wrote: > > Thankyou for your recent inquiry about the FlexED HTML Editor. FlexED > recently received a 5 cows rating from tucows. You can view this at > . Continued research and development into FlexED, > along with valuable feedback from our users, has formed the basis and > expansion of the product. > > We are now pleased to release our new FlexED 32bit version for Windows 95 > and a new version for Windows 3.1x - Version 1.7 > > Some of the new features to appear in this release are: > - Programmable Tool Bar > - HTML Strip Facility > - Floating tool bars > - Transparent bit maps > - Ability to insert raw character codes. > - Synchronised Editor with Internal Browser > - MAC and Unix Compatible file saves > - Configurable Internal browser > - Much more enhancements > - ReEditting of existing Image Maps > > The new version of FlexED can be downloaded from > > FlexED is still only US$25 > From SantucLE at muohio.edu Tue Aug 20 12:33:05 1996 From: SantucLE at muohio.edu (Lisa Santucci) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: New Look Message-ID: Hello, Miami University Libraries are pleased to announce the launch of an updated version of their web information system, MiamiLINK. The web system integrates library catalog, library services, library information, Internet Resources, and much more. If you have a chance, please take a look and send us comments. Thanks, Lisa Santucci Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian Miami University Oxford, Ohio From SantucLE at muohio.edu Tue Aug 20 12:35:58 1996 From: SantucLE at muohio.edu (Lisa Santucci) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Oops, New Look Message-ID: How about the URL! MiamiLINK (second edition) http://www.lib.muohio.edu/ sorry, Lisa Santucci Electronic Information Services and Instruction Librarian Miami University Oxford, Ohio From murgasa at sls.lib.il.us Tue Aug 20 12:49:54 1996 From: murgasa at sls.lib.il.us (Andrew Murgas) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: calendar program Message-ID: I am interested in hearing if any of you are using Calendar Creator plus or similar product on a Local Area Network and if it meets your needs Andrew R. Murgas Suburban Library System murgasa@sls.lib.il.us From mike at ahsc.arizona.edu Tue Aug 20 13:24:52 1996 From: mike at ahsc.arizona.edu (Mike Holcomb) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Vacancy - Head of Systems & Networking - Arizona Health Sciences Library Message-ID: VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT HEAD OF SYSTEMS AND NETWORKING ARIZONA HEALTH SCIENCES LIBRARY The Arizona Health Sciences Library is seeking a Head of Systems and Networking to guide the development of the library's online information system (ALOE) and its computing and networking resources within the context of the Arizona Health Sciences Center and University. Responsibilities include: overall administration of the computing and networking resources within AHSL and for AZHIN, a statewide health information consortium; oversight and coordination of ALOE (based on Sirsi and Ovid UNIX products); technical consultant for AZHIN and its members; collaboration with other groups involved in the delivery of electronic health information; AHSC Web site management; awareness and investigation of applicable trends in new technology. This position currently supervises 2.5 FTE staff. Key skills: ability to lead and collaborate; excellent interpersonal skills; effective communication skills; excellent analytical and problem-solving skills; ability to communicate complex technical information to non-technical audiences. AHSL is part of a growing institution and supports programs in medicine, nursing, pharmacy, public health, health professions, and the University Medical Center. Minimum qualifications: MLS, MS in MIS, or other relevant graduate degree; 5 years work in library systems or computer and networking operations in a complex environment; 3 years supervisory experience, preferably at an administrative level. Record of involvement in professional associations and/or evidence of publications or presentations preferred. Salary commensurate with experience, minimum of $45,000. Excellent benefits. At the foot of the Santa Catalina mountains, Tucson offers abundant recreational and cultural opportunities. For more information, see our Web site at http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/ahsl/vacancy.htm, or contact Susan Keiser, Administrative Associate, 520/626-6121, skeiser@ahsl.arizona.edu. Send application letter, CV, and the names of 3 professional references to Rachael K. Anderson, Director, Arizona Health Sciences Library, The University of Arizona, PO Box 245079, Tucson AZ 85724-5079. Position open until filled; review of applications will begin September 20, 1996. An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action/ADA Employer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Holcomb mike@ahsc.arizona.edu Systems Programmer, Sr. Voice (520)626-2923 Arizona Health Sciences Library Fax (520)626-2922 From mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca Tue Aug 20 14:28:33 1996 From: mark.ellis at rpl.richmond.bc.ca (Mark Ellis) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Wyse WinTerm (very thin Windows client) Message-ID: <17280728000122@rpl.richmond.bc.ca> While I agree that the benefits of WinTerms over PCs are questionable, the host component, WinFrame, has great potential as a remote access solution for libraries. A patron running a 1 MB 286 with VGA and a 14.4/28.8 modem can run bloated or bandwidth intensive Windows applications without coming into the library. This is particularly attractive for CD-ROM databases. (while you're waiting for them to be Webified) There are still some drawbacks--it's still not practical to stuff 24 bit images or digital video down a phone line. WinFrame has had good reviews in the computer press. See www.citrix.com for info on WinFrame and www.wyse.com for info on WinTerm. You have to wonder about the people who came up with the name "Citrix" though. At least they had the sense to use oranges instead of lemons in their logo. ;-) >This is just retooling the old dumb terminal technology only now it >would be much slower and akward because of Windows (and GUI >interfaces in general). Networking can improve the power of computing >but not at the expense of power in the machines. > >If any of you have ever used a VTLS system you know what I mean. It >would save $$ on cost of terminals at first, but the costs of servers would >probably >increase to make up the profit margins. > >I still think you're better off with networked Pentiums and keep >servers for running applications and e-mail, but keep the OS routines >on each PC. > > > >Mark >wilcox01@airmail.net >http://www.unt.edu/~mew0002/ >Member of HTML Writers Guild >http://www.hwg.org/ > >The Sheriff in Night of the Living Dead ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ellis Computer Services Technician Phone: 604.231.6410 Richmond Public Library Email: mark.ellis@rpl.richmond.bc.ca Richmond, British Columbia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From curr at mnsinc.com Tue Aug 20 16:28:45 1996 From: curr at mnsinc.com (Cliff Urr) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Ignore This - Just Doing a T-E-S-T Message-ID: t-e-s-t From SLEETER at main.morris.org Tue Aug 20 14:58:19 1996 From: SLEETER at main.morris.org (Ellen Sleeter, M.A.I.N. Administrator) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Search Extended: Deputy Network Administrator Message-ID: <960820145819.20223ed8@main.morris.org> [posted to ASIS-L, ATLAS-L, LITA-L, WEB4LIB, AUTOCAT, LIBJOBS, PALINET-L, PACS-L, TECHLIB-L a thousand pardons...] *Search extended* until September 6th! POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT [new position]: DEPUTY NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR Network Services Division County of Morris, New Jersey In late 1995, the Freeholders of the County of Morris, NJ, created the Network Services Division to administer and operate the Morris Automated Information Network (M.A.I.N.), comprised of 30 municipal libraries, the Morris County Library and the County College of Morris Library. M.A.I.N. provides flexible access to the libraries' union catalog, access to several UMI databases, access to the MOREnet gopher, and lynx access to the Internet from library terminals, via dial-up and via telnet. In 1996, the Network will add its first extra-County member. Description of Duties: The Deputy, reporting to the Network Administrator, will (1) assist in managing implementation projects; (2) evaluate database maintenance and cataloging workflow, practices, costs; (3) assume primary responsibility for assimilating and evaluating DRA application modules, particularly as DRA launches the client/server product; (4) manage the evolution of the MOREnet gopher into a M.A.I.N. web site. Requirements: ALA-accredited Masters degree. Minimum 2 years' experience supporting library automation applications in a large public library or library consortium. Experience conducting requirements analyses and writing specifications for automation-related services. Minimum 1 year experience in cataloging using an automated system. Experience launching and supporting Internet client software/utilities. Excellent electronic and verbal communications skills, for interactions both with co-workers and with user constituency. Demonstrated excellence and commitment to customer service. Highly Desirable: Hands-on experience in one or more of the following: DRA, DEC OpenVMS and DCL, formal project management, structured systems analysis, general database creation/publishing/management, TCP/IP. Compensation will be competitive, with excellent benefits, including membership in the Federal Credit Union and tax-deferred investment plan (457). This position is available immediately. Candidate evaluation will begin August 15th and continue until the position is filled. Send resume with cover letter explaining pertinent qualifications, together with full contact information for 3 references in confidence to: Ellen Sleeter, Network Administrator M.A.I.N. Network Services PO Box 900 Morristown, NJ 07963-0900 fax: 201-989-6109 Info only: sleeter@main.morris.org From fros at planetx.bloomu.edu Tue Aug 20 15:12:25 1996 From: fros at planetx.bloomu.edu (William J. Frost) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: What is it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I made a copy of my Web library orientation and am running it with Netscape 2.02 as a stand-alone program at one station dedicated for this purpose (it used to run a HyperCard orientation). Although it looks "Internet" because its HTML, its not even an Intranet -- its not networked to anything. So, good people, what do I call it? Do any of you have similar setups? The Internet version is at http://www.bloomu.edu/library/pages/AndrussOrientation/index.html Bill Frost Harvey A. Andruss Library Reference Librarian Bloomsburg University 717-389-4126 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 fros@bloomu.edu Fax 717-389-3895 http://acwww.bloomu.edu/~fros/ From emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com Tue Aug 20 16:45:30 1996 From: emiller at smtpgwy.isinet.com (emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Project Manager software Message-ID: <9607208405.AA840581163@smtpgwy.isinet.com> Help! I'm drowning in projects. Suddenly everyone wants something up on our Web site, whether it is information, so form or some something, I am in the process of developing manageable (?) projects from all of the departmental requests. I starting thinking that there is probably a decent project management software package out there, Are any of you using such a package? What are the pros and cons of using it to manage Web projects? We have people in our company that use Microsoft Project, but the reviews have been mixed. I also recently received information on PVCS Tracker from Intersolv, although it may be a little too software project-oriented. Any opinions? Suggestions? Thanks in advance, Elisa Miller, Webster "whatever you can do Institute for Scientific Information or dream you can, 3501 Market Street begin it. Philadelphia, PA 19104 Boldness has genius, (215)386-0100 x1395 power and magic in emiller@isinet.com it." URL - http://www.isinet.com Goethe From SLEETER at main.morris.org Tue Aug 20 17:01:27 1996 From: SLEETER at main.morris.org (Ellen Sleeter, M.A.I.N. Administrator) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Project Manager software Message-ID: <960820170127.20224327@main.morris.org> Actually, I consider myself medium-to-heavy weight in project management, and I always bemoan the lack of tools that support my method of projecting my project timelines, which tends to be driven by And several products that were slow, and DOS-based, but useful to me have fallen by the wayside over the years. Go with MS Project. Yes, it's complex --- but it's really fairly functional, and if you talk to people who are knowledgeable about project management, they'll help you use it in a "minimalist" way. Just knowing what to cut out, of all of the things that you can track, and representing it to YOURSELF in a way that communicates is really valuable. What none of these tools do is to provide a communication bridge to the folks who don't understand project management. And I had to dummy up 9 major projects in April for a priority-settting session that was gonna take us into 1999. So, I tried what I thought was a minimalist approach, and it worked for many, and others grudgingly "came along". Project management-based schemas of "work to be done" are great tools for communicating among the converted, however. My --- this *is* a messianic post, isn't it? Anyway --- go with MS Project --- the use base is probably the largest and most diverse there. Ellen +==========================================================================+ | ELLEN L. SLEETER | | Network Administrator/Division Head, County of Morris, New Jersey | | Morris Automated Information Network (M.A.I.N.) | +==========================================================================+ | Voice: 201-989-6112 Fax: 201-989-6109 | | Email: sleeter@main.morris.org Other: esleeter@pluto.njcc.com | | HomePage: http://pluto.njcc.com/~esleeter/ | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------- >>> on web4lib, Elisa reports that she is drowning in projects: Help! I'm drowning in projects. Suddenly everyone wants something up on our Web site, whether it is information, so form or some something, I am in the process of developing manageable (?) projects from all of the departmental requests. I starting thinking that there is probably a decent project management software package out there, Are any of you using such a package? What are the pros and cons of using it to manage Web projects? We have people in our company that use Microsoft Project, but the reviews have been mixed. I also recently received information on PVCS Tracker from Intersolv, although it may be a little too software project-oriented. Any opinions? Suggestions? Thanks in advance, Elisa Miller, Webster "whatever you can do Institute for Scientific Information or dream you can, 3501 Market Street begin it. Philadelphia, PA 19104 Boldness has genius, (215)386-0100 x1395 power and magic in emiller@isinet.com it." URL - http://www.isinet.com Goethe From SLEETER at main.morris.org Tue Aug 20 17:09:17 1996 From: SLEETER at main.morris.org (Ellen Sleeter, M.A.I.N. Administrator) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Oops --- PM clarification Message-ID: <960820170917.20224327@main.morris.org> I just think WAY faster than I'm actually typing... What I forgot to say was... From: MAIN01::SLEETER "Ellen Sleeter, M.A.I.N. Administrator" 20-AUG-1996 17:01:27.25 To: SMTP%"emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com" CC: WEB4LIB@LIBRARY.BERKELEY.EDU,SLEETER Subj: RE: Project Manager software Actually, I consider myself medium-to-heavy weight in project management, and I always bemoan the lack of tools that support my method of projecting my project timelines, which tends to be driven [** omitted!**] by "unit time" processes. --- e.g., person needs to perform Task A 1000 times as part of project launch. Task takes 9 minutes to complete, but can't be interrupted. Person works a 7 hour day, has a 45 minute lunch, has two meetings on Thursday, and will start this process on Monday at 1pm. When will he be finished...?? +==========================================================================+ | ELLEN L. SLEETER | | Network Administrator/Division Head, County of Morris, New Jersey | | Morris Automated Information Network (M.A.I.N.) | +==========================================================================+ | Voice: 201-989-6112 Fax: 201-989-6109 | | Email: sleeter@main.morris.org Other: esleeter@pluto.njcc.com | | HomePage: http://pluto.njcc.com/~esleeter/ | +==========================================================================+ From vaughnk1 at westatpo.westat.com Tue Aug 20 17:17:04 1996 From: vaughnk1 at westatpo.westat.com (vaughnk1@westatpo.westat.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Project Manager software Message-ID: <9607208405.AA840586874@westatpo.westat.com> If the whole of most of these projects is web page creation, then the project management within Hotdog Pro might be adequate and save you from introducing more steps to your workflow. [Assuming such things as OS and $ to buy software.] Ken * Kenneth Vaughn ~~~~~~~~~~ LIBRARIAN K ~~~~~~~~~~ Tech Srvcs Libr * * Westat, Inc. 1650 Research Blvd. Rockville MD 20850 * * vaughnk1@westat.com = voice: 301-294-2881 = fax: 301-294-2034 * ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Project Manager software Author: emiller@smtpgwy.isinet.com at internet-e-mail Date: 8/20/96 4:51 PM Help! I'm drowning in projects. Suddenly everyone wants something up on our Web site, whether it is information, so form or some something, I am in the process of developing manageable (?) projects from all of the departmental requests. I starting thinking that there is probably a decent project management software package out there, Are any of you using such a package? What are the pros and cons of using it to manage Web projects? We have people in our company that use Microsoft Project, but the reviews have been mixed. I also recently received information on PVCS Tracker from Intersolv, although it may be a little too software project-oriented. Any opinions? Suggestions? Thanks in advance, Elisa Miller, Webster "whatever you can do Institute for Scientific Information or dream you can, 3501 Market Street begin it. Philadelphia, PA 19104 Boldness has genius, (215)386-0100 x1395 power and magic in emiller@isinet.com it." URL - http://www.isinet.com Goethe From agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx Tue Aug 20 20:59:09 1996 From: agarza at ci.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: POSSIBLE SOLUTION, Re: Netscape for Windows home page quirk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a Windows 3.1 workstation running NS 2.02, and had the particular problem of Netscape only reading in a portion of the page, then pausing until the user cancelled the document request with ESC. I think I have figured out why that happened. The problem was fixed when I added the complete machine and domain name to the URL, instead of just having the machine name (e.g.: http://www-cib.mty,itesm.mx/ versus http://www-cib/) Since i have a BASE HREF="http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/" tag in the homepage, I think netscape felt the need to resolve that address for a second time (since it had already resolved 'www-cib', with no domain). So I think there is some problem with the DNS resolving; this means, if netscape has to look up several different addresses, it might get 'mixed up' and stop processing an HTTP request... Some ppl recommend switching off the NETSCAPE.INI line "Async DNS" as follows: [Network] Use Async DNS=no Which I had done before actually fixing the problem. Perhaps it is a combination of both circumnstances. SO, specifically, Paul Soderdahl or someone else could check on their end, if providing a homepage that has no references to outside URLs (meaning Netscape doesn't need any further DNS resolving) solves the problem, then it's a workaround to a Netscape bug for now. (Paul, I see your homepage http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/biz/ has references to images on another server...) Then again, it could very well be a Trumpet bug.. I don't know about the setups of the machines of the people having problems with this; please share. Hope this helps! _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Alejandro Garza Gonzalez wrote: > We have the same problem here. The only way to fix it is to press escape, > and then CTRL-I (or stop and Load Images) each time it happens... > > _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ > ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey > agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx > _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ > > On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Paul Soderdahl wrote: > > > We have several machines running Windows 3.1.1 and Netscape 2.02. They are > > set to default to the home page URL: http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/biz/ which > > contains an HTML document with four inline graphics. > > > > When first launching Netscape, the text loads properly as well as the first > > image or two. The remaining images never load (and appear as broken image > > icons) and Netscape never quits being busy. (Literally, this can go on for > > hours.) However, if one clicks "stop" and "reload" the page immediately > > loads in toto. Furthermore, clicking on anything away from the home page > > and returning to the home page works properly. (In other words, Netscape > > never finishes displaying those last two images, but clearly they've been > > brought over the net ok.) > > > > Has anyone come across this problem before? (Note, Netscape on the Mac > > works properly; it's only our Windows version that has this problem.) > > > > Thanks. > > Paul From kiratoy at panix.com Tue Aug 20 21:39:54 1996 From: kiratoy at panix.com (Shawn J.P. West (BlackSheep)) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:44 2005 Subject: Question: Pages that don't cache In-Reply-To: <19083820311784@mail.novachem.com> Message-ID: there are three ways this is one if i find the other's i'll e-mail you On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Brooke Clibbon wrote: > I heard from someone that you can make Netscape NOT cache your page, using > HTML tags rather than using cgi. It had something to do with FORMs and > METHOD=POST, I think. I can't find any reference to it on the web or in the > HTML books that I have. I believe that it is particular to Netscape, which > is OK as Netscape is our corporate browser. Does anyone know what the tags are? > > Please reply directly to clibbob@novachem.com > > Thanks, > > Brooke > > -- > Brooke Clibbon, > NOVA Chemicals' Library - Technical Information Services > (403) 250-4765 FAX (403) 291-3208 > clibbob@novachem.com > The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of NOVA Chemicals. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mail me find me kiratoy@panix.com http://kiratoy.com kiratoy@groundzero.com http://groundzero.com "We give racism life and our ignorance makes it immortal." -sjpw 5.27.96 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Sat Aug 24 11:40:36 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:47 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply Message-ID: <199608241540.IAA15329@mail.sdsu.edu> >When did anyone claim that the labor market was rational? >>KAREN SCHNEIDER >>|I am now in the position of wondering if I should eat my own >>|words. I read this and thought, whew, only $31k for all this skill? >>|But maybe the LAN/WAN/client-server expertise is what gives >>|me pause... what do others think? I remember clearly a statement the personnel director made when I was on the city's negotiating team. It went something like this: "If I can hire a librarian at $30,000 why should I pay more? I can't hire an engineer at that rate, so I have to pay $60,000. It's that simple." Linda Woods Hyman Education First Initiative San Diego State University and Pacific Bell (619)594-4414 http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu Sat Aug 24 17:36:25 1996 From: mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu (Martin Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:47 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply In-Reply-To: <199608241540.IAA15329@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Linda Hyman wrote: > I remember clearly a statement the personnel director made when I was on the > city's negotiating team. It went something like this: "If I can hire a > librarian at $30,000 why should I pay more? I can't hire an engineer at > that rate, so I have to pay $60,000. It's that simple." Yes. The kicker in it is that becoming "a librarian" _requires_ relatively little investment and many of those who call themselves librarians value it little. To resort to a little hyperbole: one seldom hears of people who have considered themselves desperate because they are unable to get into library school. Some may have found cataloging class boring, or a database class difficult - but nobody flunks out because of it. While more than a few would-be engineers are unable to get through thermodynamics, or the theory of complex electrical circuits, or advanced calculus. If a curriculum regards story telling and C programming as equivalent, it's difficult to define the marketplace worth of those who have taken a degree in it. (I'm not making a comparison here: I'm not much good at either). Martin J. Cohen mcohen@stmarys-ca.edu Media Services and Library Systems voice: (510) 631-4229 Saint Mary's College of California fax: (510) 376-6097 Moraga, CA 94575 ars longa vita brevis From guthery at austin.sar.slb.com Sat Aug 24 18:08:10 1996 From: guthery at austin.sar.slb.com (guthery@austin.sar.slb.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:47 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: (message from Martin Cohen on Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:44:55 -0700) Message-ID: <199608242208.RAA13310@asterix> I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our Intranet. 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library science departments when I've come calling 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so and maybe with fresh approaches 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries rather than mix them in with the web 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high communication component 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip maker isn't what it used to be. Cheers, Scott From mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu Sat Aug 24 18:42:35 1996 From: mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu (Martin Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:47 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: <199608242208.RAA13310@asterix> Message-ID: I agree. I think what you're suggesting (and why this thread belongs on this list) is that there is an open question about what responsibilities (and consequently what skills) are involved in running a library-based Web site. Should Webmasters know about system security? (and does that not require some understanding of system administration?) Should Webmasters have the ability to bring people together in common enterprise (management, public relations)? Should Webmasters have good eyes for design and graphics (even if they are not themselves artists)? Should Webmasters be knowledgeable about user interface design? Should Webmasters be able to organize information and create effective new patterns of organization (not just following established rules)? These _might_ be part of the skills one could hope for in a librarian. But at present are certainly anything one can expect. Yet I believe that "library science" is possibly the discipline closest to bringing these together. It certainly has not yet. On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 guthery@austin.sar.slb.com wrote: > I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that > we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our > Intranet. > > 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library > science departments when I've come calling > > 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just > like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so > and maybe with fresh approaches > > 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries > rather than mix them in with the web > > 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high > communication component > > 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums > which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information > > It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip > maker isn't what it used to be. > > Cheers, Scott > From ace at Opus1.COM Sat Aug 24 21:11:16 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:47 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: <01I8NW0UWX4C90N6TU@Opus1.COM> Adam Gaffin posted a recent message concerning Intranets. He says, "Intranet is the current buzz-word for client/server." He goes on to discuss the search for cross-platform capabilities and standard interfaces that has been on-going for years. Then he thanks Marc Andresson. Considering the astonishing pace of the development of the computers and the extremely new software supporting networking of systems of pc's, mainframes, high speed data lines, peripherals, security, the WWW(and all the rest), I am surprised there are so many people, from so many disciplines, who *can* manage to keep things running. There are the highly trained CIS and MIS professionals, and the engineers as referred to. And there are the Librarians, a word I use to encompass all the highly trained professionals and specialists involved in the entire profession. IMO, the CIS and MIS training was not geared towards the outcome we are experiencing right now, in large part. This is why a certified NT technician can make $70,000. (Straight from my mentor's budget, he said he paid his NT techs $70,000. [He had 5.] A degree in CIS or MIS was not the criteria.) Pressures on CIS/MIS and LIS have been working their way into curriculums, but there has hardly been time for programs to be adopted by the traditional disciplines, or for them to be transfigured. (Some are ahead of others, I realize. Did I hear someone whisper "Berkeley" ???) [smile] We don't even know where we are really going yet, but we know we're going there fast! It's really exciting and difficult and challenging and IMO the greatest opportunity of anyone's lifetime. IMO, the fact that there are so many systems librarians and people doing the systems jobs successfully, most without the formal CIS/MIS training to start, is more revealing of the current attitudes and future desires of LIS professionals than the truth that there are professionals and departments as you describe who are also caught in this moment of change. We're all in the thick of it, and we all have our roles. I could look at it this way. I want to maintain my old system alongside my new one while testing the new design to make sure it works. After running parallel systems for a reasonable period of time, then I can feel confident enough to run the conversion. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! >On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 guthery@austin.sar.slb.com wrote: > >> I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that >> we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our >> Intranet. >> 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library >> science departments when I've come calling >> >> 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just >> like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so >> and maybe with fresh approaches >> >> 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries >> rather than mix them in with the web >> >> 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high >> communication component >> >> 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums >> which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information >> >> It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip >> maker isn't what it used to be. >> >> Cheers, Scott >> At 03:48 PM 8/24/96 -0700, Martin Cohen wrote: >I agree. I think what you're suggesting (and why this thread belongs on >this list) is that there is an open question about what responsibilities >(and consequently what skills) are involved in running a library-based >Web site. > >Should Webmasters know about system security? (and does that not require >some understanding of system administration?) > >Should Webmasters have the ability to bring people together in common >enterprise (management, public relations)? > >Should Webmasters have good eyes for design and graphics (even if they >are not themselves artists)? > >Should Webmasters be knowledgeable about user interface design? > >Should Webmasters be able to organize information and create effective >new patterns of organization (not just following established rules)? > >These _might_ be part of the skills one could hope for in a librarian. But >at present are certainly anything one can expect. Yet I believe that >"library science" is possibly the discipline closest to bringing these >together. It certainly has not yet. > > > From ace at Opus1.COM Mon Aug 26 03:48:02 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Apology- Intranet quoted doc Message-ID: <01I8PO66IF0I90N6TU@Opus1.COM> I had no idea I had somehow quoted the entire site page when I sent the url for the Intranet Journal. I am terribly sorry and ask that anyone who had problems because of this forgive me. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 26 07:33:15 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Adobe PHOTOSHOP (not Acrobat) - correction Message-ID: <199608261132.HAA27166@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > > To those of you who made it through my last message... whoops. > I don't know where my brain was. I meant Adobe Photoshop, not > Adobe Acrobat, as the program my library has a demo copy of, > and for which I was interested in recommendations of a useful > book/tutorial. Not to counsel against PhotoShop, which is clearly considered Best of Breed, but if you're in the Windows environment and haven't actually purchased PhotoShop yet, you might want to look at the Micrografx ABC graphics suite. I have found it easier to pick up for my infrequent stints as a web graphics creator. Thomas Dowling \ tdowling@ohiolink.edu Asst. Director, Client/Server Apps.\ 614/728-3600 x326 OhioLINK \ FAX 614/728-3610 From rtennant at library.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 26 11:38:15 1996 From: rtennant at library.berkeley.edu (Roy Tennant) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Re: hiring librarians] (fwd) Message-ID: I couldn't help but chuckle when I discovered that a document entitled "Competencies for Special Librarians of the 21st Century" is not only not online, but is not expected to be online for at least some little while. I guess we're still at the stage where we can see where we want to go, but we haven't climbed in the car yet. Roy Tennant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:23:37 -0700 From: Walt Howe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: hiring librarians] At 06:29 PM 8/25/96 -0700, Sallie Becker wrote: >At the SLA conference in Boston this June, one of the speakers made >reference to a Basic Competencies document that had been accepted by the >Board of Directors during the conference. No details on the content >were revealed, but publication was expected soon. My last visit to >SLA's website (www.sla.org) about a week ago made no reference to Basic >Competencies. Anyone out there have additional information? I'd like >to think that this document would address some of these technology >issues. I'm gisting Hope Tillman's comments on this question for her. I called the question to her attention, but she's working on another deadline tonight, so I volunteered to pass along her information. The report on "Competencies for Special Librarians of the 21st Century" was approved and accepted by the SLA Board of Directors at the Boston Conference. Since it has not been released in online retrievable form yet, and such release is not imminent, the quickest way to get the document is to write/phone/fax/email SLA HQ and ask for a copy of Board Document A96-81. Our thanks to the great job by Joanne Marshall, Bill Fisher, Lynda Moulton, and Roberta Piccoli! O-O- See my home page at http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ J ) my Internet Learning Center at http://world.std.com/~walthowe/ ( ) and "Ask Walt, your Internet Advisor" at ()) http://bbs.iguide.com:8090/internet/ From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Mon Aug 26 12:05:06 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Getting around command.com hole in WWW browsers Message-ID: Hello all, In trying to plug or avoid the command.com hole in WWW browsers we're working on two tracks 1) Windows 3.1 & 2) X-Terminals. 1) Windows 3.1 Our LAN Man has tried to hide command.com on our lan stations, using comspec to no avail. Here's what happens: "The NetScrape fix would be fine EXCEPT that when you try running command.com in Netscape it gives you a window that lists the "hidden" comspec file as its banner (in this case, "Z:\PCDOS_63\PCDOS.COM") along with the error message "file not found". i.e., it gives itself away!!!!" Has anyone cracked this nut? If so, hundreds (including Netscape) await the secret. And going all Mac is not an option (shucks)! 2) X-Terminals Any folks making both X-Term Netscape sessions and DOS/Windows applications available from the same workstations? Looks real doable but w/ new security and traffic issues concerning our unix servers. Could be a nice & tight version of a browser but takes away the utility of W3Laucher, et. al. Thanks, David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From lbickham at stem.com Mon Aug 26 13:48:19 1996 From: lbickham at stem.com (lbickham@stem.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: <9607268410.AA841078762@internet.stem.com> Not all librarians are tied to books and shelves, but these still have a very essential and vital place in making information available to people. I'm a corporate librarian who also runs my small company's intranet. Others on my staff handle the collection and maintenance of books and journals, but I use these resources the same as I use databases and web resources -- to meet the needs of my users. I'd like to think I'm not "tied" to any media, print or Web based. The *first* person I'd like to see organizing content on the Web is someone who can listen to and identify user needs, learn from and build on existing frameworks for organizing information, not be afraid to try innovative approaches, and ultimately measure their success by how they improve the ability of users to get the information they need. Pretty much the same person I'd like to see running a library. I think there are a lot of librarians and information specialists out there who are doing all of this in their organizations now. Scott: I don't know where you've been looking for librarians, or why you are getting the response you detailed in your message. I hope you'll learn from the replies you get that my profession is not turning a cold shoulder to what many of us see as a tremendous opportunity to use our skills in a new setting with the potential to vastly improve people's access to information. Linda Bickham Manager, Library Services SyStemix lbickham@stem.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Hiring Librarians Author: guthery@austin.sar.slb.com at INTERNET Date: 8/24/96 3:22 PM I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our Intranet. 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library science departments when I've come calling 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so and maybe with fresh approaches 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries rather than mix them in with the web 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high communication component 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip maker isn't what it used to be. Cheers, Scott From smithj at pls.lib.ca.us Mon Aug 26 14:50:13 1996 From: smithj at pls.lib.ca.us (Jay Smith) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: <199608242208.RAA13310@asterix> Message-ID: Scott uses "many" possibly to defend himself from charges of unfairly categorizing librarians. Even so, I did feel the sting of being unfairly lumped. The problem of the "otherside of trying to hire librarians" is at least partly that the salaries offered aren't attractive enough to bother applying. The offers I've seen on this listserv have not tempted me enough to want to apply since these full-time salaries were a good deal less than that of my current part-time position. It's especially galling since I'm almost entirely self-taught and take pride in my accomplishment. No comment on buggy whips. ************************************************************************ Jay Smith voice (415) 591-1110 Reference Librarian fax (415) 591-1585 San Mateo Co. Library smithj@pls.lib.ca.us Technical Support Group Peninsula Library System San Carlos Library, 655 Chestnut St., San Carlos, CA 94070 ************************************************************************ On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 guthery@austin.sar.slb.com wrote: > I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that > we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our > Intranet. > > 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library > science departments when I've come calling > > 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just > like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so > and maybe with fresh approaches > > 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries > rather than mix them in with the web > > 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high > communication component > > 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums > which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information > > It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip > maker isn't what it used to be. > > Cheers, Scott > From librlc at emory.edu Mon Aug 26 16:29:33 1996 From: librlc at emory.edu (Bob Craigmile) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Internet Explorer 3.0 Security Problem Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960826202933.0075d358@pop3.service.emory.edu> FYI. Hope this isn't redundant. >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>From the "comp.risks" USENET forum.... > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:12:59 -0400 >From: felten@CS.Princeton.EDU (Ed Felten) >Subject: Internet Explorer Security Problem > >We have discovered a security flaw in the current version (3.0) of >Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser running under Windows 95. An attacker >could exploit the flaw to run any DOS command on the machine of an Explorer >user who visits the attacker's page. For example, the attacker could read, >modify, or delete the victim's files, or insert a virus or backdoor entrance >into the victim's machine. We have verified our discovery by creating a Web >page that deletes a file on the machine of any Explorer user who visits the >page. > >The core of the attack is a technique for delivering a document to the >victim's browser while bypassing the security checks that would normally be >applied to the document. If the document is, for example, a Microsoft Word >template, it could contain a macro that executes any DOS command. > >Normally, before Explorer downloads a dangerous file like a Word document, >it displays a dialog box warning that the file might contain a virus or >other dangerous content, and asking the user whether to abort the download >or to proceed with the download anyway. This gives the user a chance to >avoid the risk of a malicious document. However, our technique allows an >attacker to deliver a document without triggering the dialog box. > >Microsoft has been notified and they are working on fixing the problem. >Until a remedy is widely available, we will not disclose further details >about the flaw. > >For more information, contact Ed Felten at felten@cs.princeton.edu or >609-258-5906. > >Dirk Balfanz and Ed Felten >Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University >http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/ > >?? Internet Explorer 3.0 Security Problem > > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bob Craigmile, Reference Librarian Pitts Theology Library, Emory University librlc@emory.edu | http://www.pitts.emory.edu/bob/bob.html 404.727.1221 (w) 404.378.6388 (h) From hrosenba at indiana.edu Mon Aug 26 18:24:44 1996 From: hrosenba at indiana.edu (H Rosenbaum) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: Scott, I've been offline for a few days and just read your posting. I think you might be surprised at what's going on in some LIS schools (especially ours: SLIS@Indiana University) If you come calling at our place, you can find a growing group of library and information science students who can't wait to start mixing traditional and digital libraries. Our students are very familiar with HTML markup and many go on to learn to configure server software, write scripts etc. We offer an increasing number of courses that cover these and related topics. For example, I've just finished teaching a course (L 547: The Organizational Information Resource) where the students designed, built and tested a prototype for an Intranet that we intend to implement this fall! The syllabus is at: http://silver.ucs.indiana.edu/~hrosenba/L547/Syll1.html The prototype is at: http://recall.lib.indiana.edu/~intranet/toc2.html Comments, brickbats welcome. Howard. At 03.16 PM on 08.24.96, guthery@austin.sar.slb.com wrote: > I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized that > we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our > Intranet. > > 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library > science departments when I've come calling > > 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just > like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so > and maybe with fresh approaches > > 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries > rather than mix them in with the web > > 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high > communication component > > 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums > which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information > > It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy whip > maker isn't what it used to be. > > Cheers, Scott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Howard Rosenbaum~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~hrosenba@indiana.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~School of Library and Information Science~~~~ ~~~~10th and Jordan~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~Indiana University~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~Bloomington, Indiana 47405-1801 USA~ ~~~~~~812-855-5113 [Voice~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~812-855-6166 [Fax~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Newt.R.CHAPIN at CI.Eugene.OR.US Mon Aug 26 17:32:00 1996 From: Newt.R.CHAPIN at CI.Eugene.OR.US (CHAPIN Newt R) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Internet Explorer 3.0 Security Problem Message-ID: <32222707@RISMTP01.RIS.OR.GOV> There's a patch already out from Microsoft. See http://www.microsoft.com/ie/download/ for information and to download the patch for IE 3.00. Newt Chapin ---------- From: web4lib To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Internet Explorer 3.0 Security Problem Date: Monday, August 26, 1996 1:57PM FYI. Hope this isn't redundant. >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>From the "comp.risks" USENET forum.... > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:12:59 -0400 >From: felten@CS.Princeton.EDU (Ed Felten) >Subject: Internet Explorer Security Problem > >We have discovered a security flaw in the current version (3.0) of >Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser running under Windows 95. An= attacker >could exploit the flaw to run any DOS command on the machine of an Explorer >user who visits the attacker's page. For example, the attacker could read, >modify, or delete the victim's files, or insert a virus or backdoor= entrance >into the victim's machine. We have verified our discovery by creating a= Web >page that deletes a file on the machine of any Explorer user who visits the >page. > >The core of the attack is a technique for delivering a document to the >victim's browser while bypassing the security checks that would normally be >applied to the document. If the document is, for example, a Microsoft Word >template, it could contain a macro that executes any DOS command. > >Normally, before Explorer downloads a dangerous file like a Word document, >it displays a dialog box warning that the file might contain a virus or >other dangerous content, and asking the user whether to abort the download >or to proceed with the download anyway. This gives the user a chance to >avoid the risk of a malicious document. However, our technique allows an >attacker to deliver a document without triggering the dialog box. > >Microsoft has been notified and they are working on fixing the problem. >Until a remedy is widely available, we will not disclose further details >about the flaw. > >For more information, contact Ed Felten at felten@cs.princeton.edu or >609-258-5906. > >Dirk Balfanz and Ed Felten >Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University >http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/ > >=FF=FF Internet Explorer 3.0 Security Problem > > +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D= +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+ Bob Craigmile, Reference Librarian Pitts Theology Library, Emory University librlc@emory.edu | http://www.pitts.emory.edu/bob/bob.html 404.727.1221 (w) 404.378.6388 (h) From dsdow at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 26 18:52:59 1996 From: dsdow at u.washington.edu (D. Dow) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:49 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greeting All, I couldn't resist stepping forward to comment on the "cold shoulder" reception "some" have apparently received from "library types". Like Indiana University, the University of Washington's Library and Information Science Program has been moving rapidly to equip Students with many of the Web technology skills while maintaining the vital focus on information organization and the basic skills of librarianship. Numerous courses are being offered on HTML, the Internet, Java, Scripts etc. As a student in this program, I took an internet course and have been working at the UW Health Science Library assisting several librarians with the Library's large informational and public access website, liaison pages etc. as well as using these skills to help develop curriculum support websites for UW Distance Learning Courses. And I am only one of many students intensely involved in preparing themselves and their skills for a complex world. Our program, along with numerous others such as Indiana University are well aware of the changes and are eagerly working to equip librarians for the new tasks that are coming our way. If you stop by sometime, I suspect that a cold shoulder is the last reaction you'll get... Dan =============================================================================== Daniel Dow Focus on the Ideal dsdow@u.washington.edu while Maintaining the practical (206) 522-2562 Nothing was ever done by someone who thought it couldn't be done. =============================================================================== From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Fri Aug 30 08:55:21 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred [Bill] Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:52 2005 Subject: Cyberstacks Project References: <9608292237.AA22388@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <3226E4B9.992@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> Gerry McKiernan wrote: > > Participatory Development of a WWW Database > Agriculture (S) > > In an effort to incorporate the most relevant agriculturally- > related Web Reference resources within the CyberStacks(sm) > collection, we have established this a site to obtain user > preferences for those categories that are of greatest collective > interest. > > We invite users to select from categories and subcategories of > topics found within the hypertext outline of the Library of > Congress classification schedule for Agriculture (S) below. I admire the intent of the Cyberstacks project but believe that the LC claasification scheme is not appropriate for organizing internet resources. LC was invented to organize things on shelves not to organize items in the cloud that is cyberspace. LC requires the pigeon holing of resources into one little hole. THAT IS WHAT I HATE ABOT LC OR EVEN DEWEY!! Most resources, especially in agriculture, need more that one subject class to adequately describe them. I am not a cataloger so I don't really know what a possible solution might be. Maybe a controlled vocabulary with allowing as many subject headings be assigned as necessary. Also make such heading truly hierarchical so that a resource about dairy farming is also included under the subject heading of agriculture. That is not the present case with LC. -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.snymor.edu/pages/library/ -- From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 30 10:16:12 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:52 2005 Subject: 'Hyper-Thesaurus' of Subject Headings/Descriptors Message-ID: <9608301419.AA08673@library.berkeley.edu> In response to my recent posting regarding Participatory Development of a WWW database of agricultural Web/Net resources, Bill Drew wrote: Most resources, especially in agriculture, need more that one subject class to adequately describe them. I am not a cataloger so I don't really know what a possible solution might be. Maybe a controlled vocabulary with allowing as many subject headings be assigned as necessary. Also make such heading truly hierarchical so that a resource about dairy farming is also included under the subject heading of agriculture. That is not the present case with LC. I fully recognize the limitations of _all_classification schemes in providing 'absolute' access to the subject content of any 'publication', electronic or otherwise. Within the paper that I have hypertexted 'behind' the CyberStacks(sm) collection, specifically in the 'Planned Enhancement' section, I note this and note the fact that there is a clear need to provide enhanced subject access to those resources within the CyberStacks(sm) collection through the use of assigned LC Subject Headings (or AGRICOLA/CAB descriptors). I also note the importance of creating a hypertexted thesaurus, a 'hyper-thesaurus' of these assigned headings that would be linked to respective resources within the CyberStacks(sm) collection. I hope to begin a preliminary investigation of this issue no later than December/January. For more details, interested folk may wish to visit my Position Paper prepared for the OCLC Internet cataloging Project Colloquium. The URL for the appropriate part of the paper is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/OCLC-A.htm Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) and Native Bronxite Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ P.S. If Web folk know of existing efforts to create the 'hyper-thesaurus' I allude to and describe, I'd much appreciate the name, URL or e-mail. Thanks! From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri Aug 30 19:03:05 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:52 2005 Subject: free e-mail service... Message-ID: http://www.hotmail.com/ - Hot Mail says it provides free e-mail. Does anyone have experience with this? Would it provide e-mail access for patrons and students and relieve libraries of the administration details? Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From ubabiak at dom.de Fri Aug 30 20:03:12 1996 From: ubabiak at dom.de (Ulrich Babiak) Date: Wed May 18 14:20:52 2005 Subject: free e-mail service... In-Reply-To: from "Linda Hyman" at Aug 30, 96 04:02:31 pm Message-ID: <199608310003.CAA29194@mail.dom.de> > http://www.hotmail.com/ - Hot Mail says it provides free e-mail. Does > anyone have experience with this? Would it provide e-mail access for > patrons and students and relieve libraries of the administration details? I think it *CAN* be really useful: you can offer full email support to any user on a public www-workstation without any hassle. They choose a password and username and can use an user@hotmail.com address from then on. In simple words, it "emulates" an email client program using a www browser and having all the data on hotmails server. All you have to do is to write a little manual to explain your users what to do. It is also possible to retrieve your POP-mail from any POP account into the hotmail system and read it with a www browser (very handy if you travel and do not have access to an email client, we recommend this to visitors who want to check their mail on personal accounts somewhere else). I see two problems in a library setting: privacy and resource "waste". If a user forgets to press the logout button (I even recommend restarting the browser) the next in line can read and send mail under the account (not to mention that the hotmail people can keep track of your mail and the POP passwords for other servers if they feel like it...) Also, we have only three internet terminals and would like to dedicate them to "informational" use. Although you CAN use email for this purpose, too, it is a lot more private than using the web. Enthusiastically, I placed a link to hotmail on the startup page of our library internet workstations, but the folks in charge of keeping the waiting list for the terminals asked me to remove it. They didn't want to encourage the use of hotmail. Someone really wants email and asks for it - they tell them about hotmail. I don't really agree with this, but it's not my business. In an ideal world, we would have enough terminals and bandwidth to accomodate all the potential users ... -- Ulrich Babiak - ubabiak@dom.de / ubabiak@stbib-koeln.de Minimalsignatur - mehr: http://www.dom.de/FreiRaum/uli/ From wain at literascape.com Fri Aug 2 02:36:51 1996 From: wain at literascape.com (W.R. Dobson) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... References: Message-ID: <3201A203.6860@literascape.net> Why don't we just shut this thread off and let people proceed as they see best.Can't think of anything more ridiculous than sitting here trying to determine if what I want to say is acceptable those whom think that the only place to swim is in the less shallow end of the gene pool. (Of course, since this group seems to be predominately made up of North Americans, I could say that with in the context of the North American Star System, not everyone can be a star: some of us are just what we are --- non-Webmasters, non-programmers, non-system administrators, etc., etc.) >From what I can see, alot of people are getting good use out of the group. My suggestion, if you want a more elevated form of discussion, then then start the thread, or start a new list. It's all up to you. -- W.R. Dobson Vancouver, BC. From jon at net.lut.ac.uk Fri Aug 2 03:58:57 1996 From: jon at net.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Indents In-Reply-To: <199608012102.RAA08753@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > > Sure, it can be a bit unsightly if you've got graphics turned off, > > but I don't use a graphical browser only to read text and fill out > > forms. If that's all I cared about, I'd be using Lynx. > > > > I'm sorry I don't have a source for this, but I've seen estimates that 20% > to 25% of people *using graphical browsers* turn the graphics off. Maybe > you don't turn graphics off, and maybe you've got a quick modem, but is it > fair to make assumptions about your users based on your own behavior? Just as another datapoint here, the latest X Mosaic has a feature that lets you specify which domains you don't want to get images from. I use this feature to load images from .ac.uk hosts (which are often on the 10Mbit/s SuperJANET network that my workstation is connected to and so load nice and fast) but delay images from other domains. I also kill the images from Lycos and Alta Vista to get rid of the adverts and get more matches in the window. This is a really useful feature and I'd expect to see something similar appearing in the commercial browsers soon. Having a graphical browser doesn't mean that you always want to see all of the images. Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From jgladsto at nal.usda.gov Fri Aug 2 07:57:34 1996 From: jgladsto at nal.usda.gov (John Gladstone) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I feel this thread about shoe-horning HTML for the sake of document formatting (indents in this case) has followed a natural course from particular to general. We have a fundamental question to ask of ourselves as we migrate to electronic documents. When do we decide that the use of International Standards are important to the documents we house. Should our search engines always conform to Z39.50 even if as new, sleek, easier to install models are waved in our eyes. Are the SGML roots of HTML important consideration for non-archival materials or can we safely "bend the code" to achieve quick and dirty solutions for getting temporary documents out the door. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Gladstone /jgladsto@nal.usda.gov National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Blvd Beltsville, Md. 20705-2351 301/504-5462 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Russ Jury wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a little sick of the > nit-picking of trivial details. This is supposed to be a place where > people can come for help and get problems solved. It is about getting > something accomplished, rather than arguing if something is right or > not. In short, if it works for what you want it to do, WHO CARES about > the details. 3 months from now, it will probably be changed, updated, or > possibly obsolete. > > I know I'll be flamed for posting this, but someone has to try to get a > more positive attitude going here... I just feel that there's a little > too much tension floating around... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Russ Jury > Information Technology > North Dakota State University Library > (701) 231-7288 > jury@plains.nodak.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Fri Aug 2 09:28:16 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred [Bill] Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Flame - read until properly toasted... References: Message-ID: <32020270.3E0F@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> > On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Russ Jury wrote: > > > I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a little sick of the > > nit-picking of trivial details. This is supposed to be a place where > > people can come for help and get problems solved. It is about getting > > something accomplished, rather than arguing if something is right or > > not. In short, if it works for what you want it to do, WHO CARES about > > the details. 3 months from now, it will probably be changed, updated, or > > possibly obsolete. Details are important. Paying attention to them can prevent you from having to redo a lot of work. A good example is in the documents I created ove r the last two or three years of using HTML. Somewhere along the line I never realized that
items should be in a
or
envelope. As the browsers have gotten stricter in their compliance with HTML standards my older docuements are not displaying correctly. I am going back and making corrections in them when I get the time. If I had read the guides more closely I would't be doing that now. > > > > I know I'll be flamed for posting this, but someone has to try to get a > > more positive attitude going here... I just feel that there's a little > > too much tension floating around... > > What tension? All I read was very reasoned and thought out discussion. If you thought that was tense wait till you see a real flame war!! This group is very civil compared to other I belong to. Take a look at the HTML Writers Guild lists if you want heat and flame. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Russ Jury > > Information Technology > > North Dakota State University Library > > (701) 231-7288 > > jury@plains.nodak.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.snymor.edu/pages/library/ -- From cfpl00 at iren.net Fri Aug 2 09:48:33 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Not a flame! In-Reply-To: <3201A203.6860@literascape.net> Message-ID: I guess I'll have to apologize for bringing up an "issue" when this listserv is supposed to be for "how to." I didn't read that part of the greeting message because Web4lib was recommended to me because it was perceived to be a great place to read really good discussions of the issues confronted by those who bring their library to the Web and the Web to their library. There _has_ been quite a lot of nit-picking but I've actually been pretty happy with the information and variety of perspectives I've gotten out of those discussions. Maybe Steven Westman is right, that we should have 2 listservs, but I'm also wondering if the issues might end up following the practice. --Barb On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Steve Westman wrote: Actually, rather than flaming, I would like to give a (somewhat qualified) endorsement to what Ross wrote. I DO think that some of the issues discussed are of SOME interest and I like the idea of having a place where people can discuss these sorts of issues. Listening in (and participating) in these discussions can be a way of seeing what issues are out there and causes one to think (and share one's thoughts with others). That said, I have to admit that I do find the (at times seemingly endless) picking up (and apart) of threads to be an extremely annoying waste of bandwidth. As University webmaster and sole NOTIS programmer in my school, I don't really have the time to wade through 30-40 postings on whether one will go to jail (or SHOULD go to jail) for pointing to the CNN website or whether I am a fascist-fellow-traveller because I don't single-handedly decide to turn the background of the University's web page black to protest a provision in a law that was clearly going to be found unconstitutional anyway. After being initially enthusiastic about WEB4LIB, I find that it just takes too much time of trying to separate the (all-too-often sparse) wheat from the chaff. As a result, I have taken to not reading my email from the group for weeks at a time (and then half-heartedly trying to find something of interest). Then the problem becomes whether to erase everything sight unseen, or fill up my hard disk because I don't have the time to read through all of the messages. As I said in the first paragraph, I think DO that there is a place for these types of discussions. Perhaps there could be a second listserve (somewhat along the lines of what is done on Usenet) as in WEB4LIB.D. That way, discussions on ISSUES could be divorced from discussions on HOW TO. I realize that I, like Russ, may look like an over-cooked Pop Tart from the number of flames that I will get. However, I am afraid that there may be others out there who might have something to offer the group, but who are unwilling to spend the time to sift through everything. Anyway, just my $.02. ************************************************************************ * Stephen Westman (210) 458-5977 (phone) * * Electronic Services Librarian (210) 458-4571 (FAX) * * University of Texas at San Antonio swestman@coyote.utsa.edu * * Library * * 6900 North Loop 1604 West * * San Antonio, Texas 78249 * ************************************************************************ From caldweg1 at tipo.transcripts.com Fri Aug 2 10:47:06 1996 From: caldweg1 at tipo.transcripts.com (caldweg1@tipo.transcripts.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Flame --- Message-ID: <9607028390.AA839004473@tipo.transcripts.com> Hi, I'm a lurker who works for a small PRIVATE ISP, supporting a very large international business consortium. I enjoy this list because of the extremely high S/N by 'net standards. Additionally, your digressions give me the balance I need to advise business types who get carried away with the "gee whiz" stuff. Please don't change a thing. George Caldwell caldweg1@tiger.transcripts.com From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Fri Aug 2 10:08:53 1996 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Conserving mental bandwidth, was: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... Message-ID: <9608021408.AA21386@library.berkeley.edu> At 06:52 PM 8/1/96 -0700, Steve Westman wrote: >... >That said, I have to admit that I do find the (at times seemingly endless) >picking up (and apart) of threads to be an extremely annoying waste of >bandwidth.... I think we can all sympathize with not wanting to waste time reading scads of e-mail that does not interest us; most of us have more things to do than time to do them in. However, what annoys some is the most interesting part for others. There are three obvious solutions: 1) Split the list into subgroups -- this would lead to duplication, confusion and some _very_ low traffic groups; in general not a good solution. 2) Make it a moderated list. Great if the moderator has the time, interest, inclination and will, but then you greatly reduce the freedom of the mailing list. 3) Unsubscribe from the list and just scan the archives for interesting threads/posts/authors. (A similar method would be to read the group as News if there is a gateway, I couldn't find one when I looked, but that might just reflect on the News server I use.) Number 3 is the obvious solution for those who wish to reduce their exposure to hot air, however they define it, while keeping an eye on things that interest them. It is just as easy, if not easier, than dealing with the mail, and all it requires is a Web browser, probably a given for 99.9% of readers of Web4Lib. I don't think that Web4Lib is one of the lists that restricts posts to subscribers (though I could be wrong about that) so you should even be able to get your word in if you choose to add to the wasted bandwidth. Most of what most people say most of the time on most topics is mostly rubbish to most other people (this post included), so stop feeling you have to read everything and just look at what interests _you_ in an efficient, low bandwidth manner. Then we can all be happy! Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Wigg "Just another guy, you know?" Evanston Public Library e-wigg@evanston.lib.il.us Evanston, Illinois From cfpl00 at iren.net Fri Aug 2 10:09:18 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Thanks re: graphics... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies I got for how to turn gifs into transparent gifs with LView Pro and sorry that they cluttered the listserv a little. Nice to have gotten so much help. --Barb ******************************************************************** Barbara Dunn 524 Main St. Technical Services Librarian Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613 Cedar Falls Public Library (319)273-8643 "All the men on my staff can type." -- Bella Abzug ******************************************************************** From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Fri Aug 2 10:27:24 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: fixed-rate commercial Internet db for power-SIC searching? Message-ID: At the risk of bogging down WEB4LIB with drearily practical questions, we have been looking at several CD-ROM products for searching for companies by SIC code and wondered if there breathes a robust, Internet-accessible counterpart to business directories such as American Business Disc (if it's commercial, it must be fixed-rate or by-transaction). There are many websites where you can look up businesses, some by SIC, and there is OSHA's wonderful online SIC code manual (a great example of my favorite product, Book-Be-Gone), but I have yet to find an Internet-accessible database, commercial or free, that does that kind of powerful SIC code searching *and* offers reliable, current and extensive content, including company names, addresses and key employees for millions of businesses. We often search by SIC code to see which businesses are associated with a particular code, and we are often looking up very small businesses. (If it's on Edgar, for example, we probably have that info anyway--though Edgar shore is a good place.) I should explain (and I will be patient when five people point me to the same well-known sites, such as Switchboard) that we have tested many good freebies out there, and while they are fine for general lookups, particularly for looking for individuals and large businesses, they do not have as much info as the CD-ROMs we have evaluated. Either they don't have that many small businesses, or the data isn't current, or they don't offer key data such as CEOs--and often lack that search-and-display-businesses-by-SIC feature we need. We have noted that FirstSearch offers some very good business databases, and we are about to purchase a pile o' FirstSearch searches, but I am not sure there is a killer tool on FirstSearch that meets this particular need. We are planning to change from CD-ROM to Internet-accessible commercial databases this fall, where we can, and it would be nice to stay consistent with format (and that good ol' web browser interface), plus Internet access is more suitable for the more remote parts of our region. Thoughts? karen g. schneider/opinions mine alone schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Fri Aug 2 10:50:05 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... -Reply Message-ID: John, I would say these are good questions. For the last one, in terms of getting documents "out the door," one issue I feel librarians need to champion is getting them "into the right doors." As in, I can understand bending the rules to get it done; but if the format limits availability, particularly to groups you are trying to reach the hardest, then your work isn't finished anyway. If your format limits the document's visible reliability, then your work isn't finished either. But if you can speed production without compromising access--yay team! Also, compromise solutions are always nice. Can we have a killer Oracle database and also export records to funky old GILS? Can we do it in Adobe because we just love that font, and in HTML or even simple text with pre tags so it's available to the lowest common denominator? We're the kings and queens of accessibility and access, imho... k.g.schneider/opinions mine alone >>> John Gladstone 08/02/96 08:06am >>> I feel this thread about shoe-horning HTML for the sake of document formatting (indents in this case) has followed a natural course from particular to general. We have a fundamental question to ask of ourselves as we migrate to electronic documents. When do we decide that the use of International Standards are important to the documents we house. Should our search engines always conform to Z39.50 even if as new, sleek, easier to install models are waved in our eyes. Are the SGML roots of HTML important consideration for non-archival materials or can we safely "bend the code" to achieve quick and dirty solutions for getting temporary documents out the door. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Gladstone /jgladsto@nal.usda.gov National Agricultural Library 10301 Baltimore Blvd Beltsville, Md. 20705-2351 301/504-5462 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Russ Jury wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a little sick of the > nit-picking of trivial details. This is supposed to be a place where > people can come for help and get problems solved. It is about getting > something accomplished, rather than arguing if something is right or > not. In short, if it works for what you want it to do, WHO CARES about > the details. 3 months from now, it will probably be changed, updated, or > possibly obsolete. > > I know I'll be flamed for posting this, but someone has to try to get a > more positive attitude going here... I just feel that there's a little > too much tension floating around... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Russ Jury > Information Technology > North Dakota State University Library > (701) 231-7288 > jury@plains.nodak.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From weibel at oclc.org Fri Aug 2 10:56:46 1996 From: weibel at oclc.org (Stu Weibel) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Flame - read until properly toasted... Message-ID: <199608021456.KAA01710@ws02-00.rsch.oclc.org> I think of WEB4LIB as a forum more for discussions of policy and practical operational issues than for the finer details of implementation (realizing that there is no clear line of demarcation). A little web-headedness is probably good for us, but my suspicion is that most subscribers don't want to see much of it (rule of thumb: if your post includes entity definitions or angle brackets, maybe it should be on one of the HTML lists? ;-) But lets be realistic about HTML... its _ad_hocery_ from start to finish, and no one is in charge (see Network World 13:31, July 29, 1996 for an interesting perspective on W3C and its role as a standards forum). Do the best you can and hope it will continue to work for a while. Its not Markup-for-the-Ages. stu Stuart Weibel Senior Research Scientist OCLC Office of Research weibel@oclc.org (614) 764-6081 (v) (614) 764-2344 (f) http://purl.org/net/weibel From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Fri Aug 2 10:59:03 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred [Bill] Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Controlling your e-mail or the How to Use the Delete Key Message-ID: <320217B7.7E79@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> Controlling Your E-mail or How to Use the Delete Key The best way to control e-mail that you don't want to read is by using the delete key. Most keyboards that I am familiar with have this key available. On a PC keyboard with 12 functions keys it is located to the right of the ENTER key in the little key pad above the arrow keys. Users of older computers may have to look around a bit. Users of the Macintosh will usually find it somewhere on the right side of the keyboard. Users of "dumb" terminals may have a problem. The VT series of terminals does not have a Delete key but does have a Remove key. I suppose you could always read the manual for your machine or check with your computer people. It is best to read the help screens or manual for your e-mail system. Many systems may use special keys to actually delete messages. From what I have read it must be extremely difficult to delete messages on many e-mail packages because of the constant complaints I read about trying to keep the number of messages to a minimum on discussion groups. ;-) Have a good day!! -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.snymor.edu/pages/library/ -- From tmallory at timberland.lib.wa.us Fri Aug 2 11:16:41 1996 From: tmallory at timberland.lib.wa.us (Tim Mallory) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm here for the discussion. So-called "nitpicking of trivial little details" frequently is the application of the philosophy of why we're all doing this in the first place. 99% of the solutions to actual problems miss the mark for my setup anyway. I still read through for the philosophy behind the solution. Here's a nitpicky little detail for Russ, and others annoyed by excess thought: USE YOUR DELETE KEY (who cares about the details?) On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Russ Jury wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a little sick of the > nit-picking of trivial details. This is supposed to be a place where > people can come for help and get problems solved. It is about getting > something accomplished, rather than arguing if something is right or > not. In short, if it works for what you want it to do, WHO CARES about > the details. 3 months from now, it will probably be changed, updated, or > possibly obsolete. > > I know I'll be flamed for posting this, but someone has to try to get a > more positive attitude going here... I just feel that there's a little > too much tension floating around... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Russ Jury > Information Technology > North Dakota State University Library > (701) 231-7288 > jury@plains.nodak.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------- _.. ... __.. . _.. _____ Tim Mallory, Reference Librarian Aberdeen Timberland Library Voice: 360-533-2360 121 E. Market St. FAX: 360-532-2953 Aberdeen, WA 98520-5292 e-mail: tmallory@timberland.lib.wa.us __%\__"round and round goes the wind" - ecclesiastes i:6 __%\__)))))>>>* From WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu Thu Aug 1 21:21:38 1996 From: WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu (Woodward Jeannette) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Archiving documents Message-ID: <9608021527.AA31434@library.berkeley.edu> Hi Fellow Netters, I'm working on an article and need some help. The article is about how Internet sites decide what should be kept permanently and what documents can safely bite the dust. If you have some responsibility for a site, would you mind answering these questions? Don't feel obligated to answer them all and please add any additional information that you think would be useful. How are decisions made concerning what is loaded and maintained at your site? Who decides when to remove a document? Why are documents removed? Is there any provision made for keeping archival copies of documents that have been removed? If you are a university site, what is the role of faculty in deciding what stays or goes? What is the role of your administration in deciding what stays or goes? If anyone at your site produces a regular publication like an electronic journal, would it be treated differently? How? Does your library have any specific role in archiving Internet documents? Do you have any formal system for dealing with drafts and final versions of documents? This may be covered in the questions above but if, let's say, Einstein posted his theory of relativity at your site and only at your site, and he's an unknown assistant professor, would that document be around five years from now in some form? Might it have disappeared into the ether? Would any steps have been taken to protect it? What steps do you think Internet sites should be taking to insure the permanence of important documents? Thanks so very much for your help. Please send your responses directly to me and if you like, I can send you a summary of the responses. Jeannette Woodward College of Santa Fe woodward@fogelson.csf.edu From dsimmons at CAMPUSPO.CSUCHICO.EDU Fri Aug 2 10:48:00 1996 From: dsimmons at CAMPUSPO.CSUCHICO.EDU (Deborah Simmons) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: HTML editors for Windows 95 Message-ID: <32022022@pcgate.csuchico.edu> Does anyone know of a free HTML editor for Windows95 (my PC has only 8 mb of Ram). From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Fri Aug 2 12:04:59 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: ~~~Flame - read until properly toasted... Message-ID: <199608021604.MAA14918@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Please delete this message. > I'm here for the discussion. So-called "nitpicking of trivial little > details" frequently is the application of the philosophy of why we're all > doing this in the first place. Or in other words... One Man's Nit is Another Man's Passion Likewise... I Wouldn't Send a Doc Out on a Nit Like This Thomas Dowling (How doth the little DTD, Abused by ev'ry vendor, Sneak in in version three-oh-b Our hypertext to render.) From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 2 12:16:19 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Map to Navigating the Web Message-ID: <9608021618.AA27690@library.berkeley.edu> Map to Navigating the Web With the August issue of _PC Computing_, the Ziff-Davis monthly magazine focused on the usability of computer systems, productivity, and the application of technology in business, there is an excellent accompanying map supplement, a 'Map to Navigating the Web'. The 'Map to Navigating the Web' is a literal map that presents what the editors of _PC Computing_ consider the 'best the Internet has to offer' in Search Engines, Web Indexes, Guides, Research and FAQs and New and Cool. For each entry, its name, URL and a brief outline profile are provided. Oh Yes, BTW, several 'library-organized' indexes are incorporated, notably CyberDewey, INFOMINE and CyberStacks(sm) [:->]! Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University 152 Parks Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "There are No Answers, Only Solutions" From casummerhill at librarylrc.uams.edu Fri Aug 2 12:24:12 1996 From: casummerhill at librarylrc.uams.edu (Charles A. Summerhill) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: HTML editors for Windows 95 References: <32022022@pcgate.csuchico.edu> Message-ID: <32022BAC.2E3@librarylrc.uams.edu> Deborah Simmons wrote: > > Does anyone know of a free HTML editor for Windows95 (my PC has only 8 mb > of Ram). I will start with the most popular answer: Notepad, although you can get to a DOS prompt and use EDIT. HTML is, of course, a plain text file so any text editor will do the trick. If you are looking for an HTMLized text editor I would recommend the freeware: HomeSite [http://www.dexnet.com/homesite.html] as a good solution. I also noted that your eMail address ends in .EDU, Netscape Gold -- the A-WYSIGYG HTML editor from Netscape is also available free. Hope this helps... -- Charles A. Summerhill Network Manager Library Learning Resource Center University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences http://www.librarylrc.uams.edu/ From Beauchamp at wpo.sosc.osshe.edu Fri Aug 2 15:46:03 1996 From: Beauchamp at wpo.sosc.osshe.edu (Anna Beauchamp) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: HTML editors for Windows 95 -Reply Message-ID: Deborah (and others looking for web editors), Try WebThing. It may be freely copied and distributed at no cost, but see the description of "CareWare" since it differs from FreeWare or ShareWare. "Imports, automatically converts fully formatted text, tables, outlines from any Windows 95-compliant application. Supports up to 6 Web browsers. Supports CGI, Frames, Javascript development. Floating toolbars provide frequently used tags. Multiple document interface with full drag &drop capability. Online tutorials." It has received excellent reviews and was created by Paul Lutus, the programmer who kindly authored our ILL web forms. See (and download) WebThing at: http://arachnoid.com/webthing Anna Beauchamp ILL Coordinator Southern Oregon State College Library Ashland OR 97520 beauchamp@wpo.sosc.osshe.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know of a free HTML editor for Windows95 (my PC has only 8 mb of Ram). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From bookworm at lightspeed.net Fri Aug 2 14:53:38 1996 From: bookworm at lightspeed.net (Robert Laramee) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Flame --- References: <9607028390.AA839004473@tipo.transcripts.com> Message-ID: <32024EB2.4DFD@lightspeed.net> caldweg1@tipo.transcripts.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm a lurker who works for a small PRIVATE ISP, supporting a > very large international business consortium. I enjoy this > list because of the extremely high S/N by 'net standards. > > Additionally, your digressions give me the balance I need to > advise business types who get carried away with the "gee > whiz" stuff. > > Please don't change a thing. > > George Caldwell > caldweg1@tiger.transcripts.com Agreed. It is easy enough to delete. What is a digression or nit picking for one is valuable information for someone else. Truth is, as librarians in whatever capacity, we wear many hats. Don't change. Bob Laramee bookworm@lightspeed.net From fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu Fri Aug 2 17:21:19 1996 From: fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu (Frank Cervone) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Editing Netscape 2.02 in Windows 95 w/Borland C++ 5.0 -Reply Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I suspected that the Window item was built-on the fly. Not putting in the POP or SMTP info does not even slow our students down. The SMTP hosts are protected by IP filtering (where appropriate), and unless you have an account, TELNET isn't going to get you anywhere anyway. Our primary issue is having students using machines that are supposed to be for "research" for email, especially since there are several other places on campus where they can do email. Thanks, Frank >>> Bill Moseley 07/30/96 06:44pm >>> At 01:40 PM 7/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone on the list tried the above combination? We adapted the >instructions available at the WEB4LIB web site for the above, but have >run into two major anomalies in regard to the menu bar. >1) After setting the "Add bookmarks" item to greyed or disabled, it still >shows up active. Using a resource editor only disables the starting menu items when the program is first loaded - if the program has a menu item that it controls while running the resource editor won't help. The "Window" menu is a problem, as it seems that Netscape builds this menu while the computer is running. Perhaps you could just disable all the menus on the Mail window -- your patrons could still get to the mail windows, but they wouldn't be able to do anything. Also, by leaving out the POP and SMTP settings they won't be able to access email. You realize the if you have telnet on your machine that people (okay, computer geeks) can send email by telneting directly to a SMTP machine. >2) The only item that shows up under the Window menu item is "New >Window". I have looked in all of the other resources thinking that it was >somewhere else as a submenu. However, I have not been able to find >the menu items that list "Netscape Mail, Netscape News", etc. We can >completely grey-out the Window item entirely, but that's not what we >really want to do. We'd like to make news available, but restrict mail. > >If anyone else has tried this or has any suggestions, please let me know. >When I get this figured out, I will post the updated instructions to the list. > >Thanks, >Frank Cervone >Assistant Director for Systems >DePaul University Libraries >2350 North Kenmore Avenue >Chicago, IL 60614 >312.325.7000 ext 1114 (312 becomes 773 after October 12, 1996) >312.325.7869 (fax) > > > > Bill Moseley mailto:moseley@netcom.com From mccoykay at wvlc.wvnet.edu Fri Aug 2 16:41:51 1996 From: mccoykay at wvlc.wvnet.edu (Kay McCoy) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Netscape 3.0 Gold and netscape.ini Message-ID: <9608022036.AA24313@library.berkeley.edu> Web4libbers: I just downloaded Netscape 3.0 Gold on my Windows 95 PC. It ignored my existing netscape.ini file and no matter where I have put it, continues to ignore it. As a result, of course, I have "lost" all my preferences - most noticably the helper applications. I accepted the default location of "program files\netscape\navigator"; setup then put the netscape.exe file in "program files\netscape\navigator\program" . I have put the ini file in ".....program", in ".....navigator", and in "windows"; none of these locations worked. I also tried the Start/Run/regedit feature as described in one of the FAQs listed under help. I found that slightly confusing, but won't go into it here unless that turns out to be part of the solution. As far as I could see, it wasn't. Any help would be appreciated. Please respond to me in person so as not to clutter up the list with trivial technical detail! :-) Thanks. Kay McCoy mccoykay@wvlc.wvnet.edu Automation Manager 531 Summit Street Fayette County Public Libraries Oak Hill, WV 25901 phone/fax: 304-465-5664 "it's a long way back to Eden, so don't sweat the small stuff" Steven King (Insomnia) From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Fri Aug 2 17:04:50 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Check out Filtering! Message-ID: >I think we can all sympathize with not wanting to waste time reading scads >of e-mail that does not interest us; most of us have more things to do than >time to do them in. One of the interesting features on Eudora is the ability to set up "Filters." You can use keywords to set up options that will automatically filter your mail. Then if you get tired of reading about the "hot topic of the day;" you can just dump the whole folder at your leisure. On my Mac, "Filter" can be found under the "Window" menu item. I don't have the procedure memorized; but I was able to accomplish it without reading any manuals while the Black web pages thing was happening. Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu Fri Aug 2 18:01:59 1996 From: fcervone at wppost.depaul.edu (Frank Cervone) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: Netscape 3.0 Gold and netscape.ini -Reply Message-ID: All of the settings in Netscape 3.0 are stored in the registry. The Netscape.ini file no longer exists and an old one will not be used. So, unfortunately, you can either go into regedit and change things there, or take the simpler route and just set everything up again in the Netscape Preferences. Frank Cervone Assistant Director for Systems DePaul University Libraries >>> Kay McCoy 08/02/96 02:43pm >>> Web4libbers: I just downloaded Netscape 3.0 Gold on my Windows 95 PC. It ignored my existing netscape.ini file and no matter where I have put it, continues to ignore it. As a result, of course, I have "lost" all my preferences - most noticably the helper applications. I accepted the default location of "program files\netscape\navigator"; setup then put the netscape.exe file in "program files\netscape\navigator\program" . I have put the ini file in ".....program", in ".....navigator", and in "windows"; none of these locations worked. I also tried the Start/Run/regedit feature as described in one of the FAQs listed under help. I found that slightly confusing, but won't go into it here unless that turns out to be part of the solution. As far as I could see, it wasn't. Any help would be appreciated. Please respond to me in person so as not to clutter up the list with trivial technical detail! :-) Thanks. Kay McCoy mccoykay@wvlc.wvnet.edu Automation Manager 531 Summit Street Fayette County Public Libraries Oak Hill, WV 25901 phone/fax: 304-465-5664 "it's a long way back to Eden, so don't sweat the small stuff" Steven King (Insomnia) From Beauchamp at wpo.sosc.osshe.edu Fri Aug 2 18:20:39 1996 From: Beauchamp at wpo.sosc.osshe.edu (Anna Beauchamp) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:41 2005 Subject: indenting & WebThing Message-ID: In my description of WebThing for Deborah, I neglected to mention a feature that may be useful for those following the indent solutions thread. With WebThing you can prepare your text, tables, and indented outlines in your favorite word processor or other application and then just Drag & Drop the result into WebThing for immediate, effortless conversion to HTML. One more possible solution for those wrestling with indents! Also, I neglected to mention that 8MB may be a problem, according to Paul Lutus, author of WebThing. WebThing launches a browser to preview one's work & the two simultaneous applications then can overwhelm the available resources. A move to 16MB is a good idea for this and for web development in general. Anna Beauchamp beauchamp@wpo.sosc.osshe.edu WebThing free at: http://arachnoid.com/webthing/ From rcl at Onramp.NET Sat Aug 3 13:00:05 1996 From: rcl at Onramp.NET (Roy Lewis) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:44 2005 Subject: Touch Screens where? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960803170005.006be540@onramp.net> In looking for a solution to the Windows OPAC's need for mouse, it has been suggested that touch screens would be a good replacement for the mouse. Does anyone know of a type and or source for an inexpensive Touch Screen suitable as a replacement for the mouse. One option that has been suggested is the touch pad keyboard but it would be nice to locate a Touch Screen also that is not expensive. Thanks, Roy Lewis ***** Automation Consultant for the Northeast Texas Library System http://link.tsl.tx.us/.www/netls.dir/netintro.htm http://rampages.onramp.net/~rcl/rcl.htm [These Opinions Mine Alone!] 214/205-2571 Garland,TX rcl@Onramp.net or rcl@tenet.edu ***** From perez at opac.osl.state.or.us Tue Aug 6 13:41:25 1996 From: perez at opac.osl.state.or.us (Ernest Perez) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:44 2005 Subject: FW: New Web Authoring Tool Message-ID: <320783C5.4FA0@opac.osl.state.or.us> Here's a message about and original text referring to Akimbo Systems' new Globetrotter product, supposedly the "third generation" of WWW authoring products. Oregon State Printer Mike Freese put this msg out on our SEPUG (State Electronic Publishing Users Group) list. There's already been a predictable exchange on that list between "raw HTML" purists and the "I don't really care how it works if it works" faction. Should be of interest to Web4Lib subscribers. > ________________________________________________________ > From: FREESE Michael on Mon, Aug 5, 1996 11:58 AM > Subject: New Web Authoring Tool > To: PEREZ Ernest R > > Here's a product that could be to web publishing what tools like > PageMaker and > Quark are to traditional publishing. If it lives up to its hype, it > should > empower designers and publishers to develop extremely sophisticated web > sites > without having to know the underlying languages and protocols. We plan > to have > our graphic designers try it out. > > ------------------------- > > > On July 15th 1996, Akimbo Systems announced Globetrotter Web Publisher, > > the first third-generation web publishing product, scheduled to ship > this > quarter. > > Globetrotter is a unique product in an exciting market area. Unlike all > > existing products for authoring content on the world wide web, > Globetrotter is a web site publishing product. In contrast, the second > generation consists of HTML editors such as PageMill, FrontPage, Claris > > Home Page, Navigator Gold, etc.; the first generation consists of text > editors such as vi, emacs, BRIEF and BBEdit. > > A true publishing product, Globetrotter is aimed at the large segment > of > the market that wants to publish on the web but doesn't want to (and > shouldn't need to) understand HTML. Globetrotter stands in contrast to > first- and second-generation products, all of which require users to > understand the details of HTML. The second-generation products make it > so > you don't have to type HTML, but you still have to understand it. From > our point of view, this is like requiring a word processor user to > understand PostScript. The second-generation products are > architecturally > limited by HTML. In comparison, Globetrotter is designed around a > feature > set that makes sense for publishing web sites and it is this feature > set > that is then mapped to HTML as appropriate. The numerous HTML Editors > being rushed to market today help users with the relatively simple task > > of creating HTML tags; Globetrotter is designed to help with the > complex > task of creating web sites. > > More information is at: The full > press release of July 15th is at: > > > There is a form on the web site that you can fill out to receive > information when we ship. > > -- > > Mike Freese > freesem@fcmail.state.or.us > http://www.open.org/freesem > (503) 378-3397 Ext. 224 > FAX (503) 373-7789 > > --------- > The Oregon State Library provides sepug as a professional service. > Call 503-378-4246 for details. From hrezabek at fiat.gslis.utexas.edu Tue Aug 6 15:23:45 1996 From: hrezabek at fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Heath Rezabek) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:44 2005 Subject: FW: New Web Authoring Tool In-Reply-To: <320783C5.4FA0@opac.osl.state.or.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Ernest Perez wrote: > Here's a message about and original text referring to Akimbo Systems' new > Globetrotter product, supposedly the "third generation" of WWW authoring products. > Oregon State Printer Mike Freese put this msg out on our SEPUG (State Electronic > Publishing Users Group) list. There's already been a predictable exchange on that > list between "raw HTML" purists and the "I don't really care how it works if it > works" faction. What I would [and always will] look for in products like this is whether or not the HTML it generates can be validated at current or proposed DTDs [sort of the grammar-checker of HTML as an SGML subset], with a validator such as WebLint, WebTechs, or Kinder-Gentler Validator. What's ironic about all of these is that HTML was originally [according to Tim Berners-Lee] designed to be handled by editors, and still I have yet to see one that can validate, even though the DTDs are freely available and *designed* to be machine-read. Until these editors can render HTML that follows standards -- *any* standard so long as it's freely available -- I'll use them for rapid prototyping only, and do mop-up in their "first generation" editors [BBEdit, for me]. As a librarian, particularly, concern for the longevity and accessibility of information demands the sort of care / attention that those producing pages for next week's sales expo can get away with shirking. Although, as Stu Weibel pointed out a while ago, longevity of this info is in no way guarunteed by sticking to standards, it is the closest thing we have. Heath M Rezabek hrezabek@gslis.utexas.edu http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~hrezabek/ndx.html GSLIS Masters Candidate University of Texas at Austin Technical Staff Assistant Perry-Castaneda Library EIC HTML Writers Guild Member http://www.hwg.org/ From WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu Tue Aug 6 02:41:51 1996 From: WOODWARD at fogelson.csf.edu (Woodward Jeannette) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:44 2005 Subject: Archiving documents Message-ID: <9608062046.AA18023@library.berkeley.edu> Hi Fellow Netters, I'm working on an article and need some help. The article is about how Internet sites decide what should be kept permanently and what documents can safely bite the dust. If you have some responsibility for a site, would you mind answering these questions or send me an e-mail address if there is a more appropriate contact at your site? Don't feel obligated to answer them all and please add any additional information that you think would be useful. How are decisions made concerning what is loaded and maintained at your site? Who decides when to remove a document? Why are documents removed? Is there any provision made for keeping archival copies of documents that have been removed? If you are a university site, what is the role of faculty in deciding what stays or goes? What is the role of your administration in deciding what stays or goes? If anyone at your site produces a regular publication like an electronic journal, would it be treated differently? How? Does your library have any specific role in archiving Internet documents? Do you have any formal system for dealing with drafts and final versions of documents? This may be covered in the questions above but if, let's say, Einstein posted his theory of relativity at your site and only at your site, and he's an unknown assistant professor, would that document be around five years from now in some form? Might it have disappeared into the ether? Would any steps have been taken to protect it? What steps do you think Internet sites should be taking to insure the permanence of important documents? Thanks so very much for your help. Please send your responses directly to me and if you like, I can send you a summary of the responses. Jeannette Woodward College of Santa Fe woodward@fogelson.csf.edu From hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 8 08:12:29 1996 From: hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Laura Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:45 2005 Subject: cgi script for ILL Message-ID: <199608081212.IAA11271@holmes.cns.ohiou.edu> Hello! I am wondering if anybody out there has a cgi script for interlibrary loan that you wouldn't mind sharing. I am new at this, so I don't know if it matters, but we are running a Windows NT server with Netscape software. Also, I'm looking for advice on the pros and cons of two different ways of setting this up: One would be to just email the requests to the ILL people. Two, more complicated but easier on the ILL staff, would be for the requests to be sent to a simple database. Has anybody set things up this second way? Could you share your experiences with me? If I get any answers, I will post a condensed version for the reading pleasure of the group. Thanks! Laura Hudson Reference Librarian Ohio University Libraries From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Thu Aug 8 10:57:11 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:45 2005 Subject: Security & ownership of Web pages: Tech Solutions? Message-ID: Hello all, One of LSU's librarian has discovered that at least one www site has lifted all his pages and posted them on their server, w/o so much as a by your leave or pages created by, etc. This is no small or insignificant feat, considering that this librarian's extensive pages generate a great deal of our server's traffic...mighty fine pages. Besides the usual (or unusual) legal recourses, I've be racking my brain to think of anyway label pages that's more permanent than some 'delete-able' coding & text at the bottom of an html file...it doesn't look promising. Anyone with any tech ideas? David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Thu Aug 8 12:05:31 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:45 2005 Subject: Project Aristotle(sm) Message-ID: <9608081608.AA23509@library.berkeley.edu> Project Aristotle(sm) Automated Categorization of Web Resources I am pleased to announce the establishment of Project Aristotle(sm), a clearinghouse or projects and research devoted to the automated categorization of Web resources. The URL for Project Aristotle(sm) is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Aristotle.htm For each project, it's name, if known, principal investigator, project description, and relevant citations are provided. A hotlink to an available demonstration or prototype is also provided, if available. Entries are organized alphabetically by the name of the organization with which the principal investigator is affiliated. I am greatly interesting in developing this clearinghouse further and would very much appreciate the name, e-mail and/or URL of similar projects or investigations. Presently, I am only interested in projects and prototypes that have _applied_ filtering systems, text extraction and/or categorization, or agents, robots or machine learning to the categorization of Web resources. I am _not_ presently interested in work that reviews these approaches or technologies in general. I am particularly interested in current efforts which employ applicable data discovery and mining approaches to Web categorization. All additional projects and studies will be integrated within the Project Aristotle(sm) site after review. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University 152 Parks Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ From swheeler at UBmail.ubalt.edu Thu Aug 8 13:17:09 1996 From: swheeler at UBmail.ubalt.edu (Susan Wheeler of IAS) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:45 2005 Subject: What is -trace? Message-ID: Does anyone know what is the reference in the message "bad html use -trace to diagnose" as provided by the Lynx browser. My e-mail address is in the signature. Thanks for the help. Susan Wheeler Langsdale Library University of Baltimore Baltimore, MD swheeler@ubmail.ubalt.edu From gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us Thu Aug 8 13:35:58 1996 From: gmf at metronet.lib.mi.us (Gerald M. Furi) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:45 2005 Subject: Security & ownership of Web pages: Tech Solutions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a number of products--WebWhacker comes to mind immediately--which allow one to capture full sts of web pages to a local hard disk; if one is unscrupulous, it is a simple matter to then alter and/or post them to your own server... gmf * * Gerald M. Furi * * * * System Administrator, Metro Net Library Consortium, Inc. http://metronet.lib.mi.us/ Assistant Director, Farmington Community Library Voice: (810) 848-4302 Fax:(810) 553-3228 32737 West Twelve Mile Road Farmington Hills, MI 48334 * Open the pod door, Hal. * * * Often wrong, but never in doubt * * From notjdm at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Fri Aug 9 10:53:09 1996 From: notjdm at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Jonathan David Makepeace) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: FYI: LOCIS via tn3270 Message-ID: Although one can telnet to LOCIS most of our Technical Services staff seem to prefer tn3270 connections to LOCIS. I mention this only because we do not seem to be alone in having assumed until recently that telnet was the best way to connect to LOCIS. -- Jonathan David Makepeace Original Cataloger/Automation Specialist LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton Tel. (504) 388-3331, Fax. (504) 388-6992 Louisiana State University http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~makepeac/ Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Fri Aug 9 11:48:04 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Charles Bearden - Cataloging) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: FYI: LOCIS via tn3270 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also greatly prefer to use LOCIS via tn3270. Another service that accepts both kinds of connection is University of Texas at Austin's UTCAT: tn3270://public.dp.utexas.edu/ telnet://utcat.utexas.edu/ Here too I find tn3270 friendlier, though I use this site much less often than LOCIS. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Catalog Department voice: 713/247-3499 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-3158 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Jonathan David Makepeace wrote: > Although one can telnet to LOCIS most of our Technical Services staff > seem to prefer tn3270 connections to LOCIS. I mention this only because > we do not seem to be alone in having assumed until recently that telnet was > the best way to connect to LOCIS. > > -- Jonathan David Makepeace Original Cataloger/Automation Specialist > LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton Tel. (504) 388-3331, Fax. (504) 388-6992 > Louisiana State University http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~makepeac/ > Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu > From ebro at loc.gov Fri Aug 9 12:32:11 1996 From: ebro at loc.gov (Elizabeth L. Brown) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: FYI: LOCIS via tn3270 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960809123229.1b17e10a@rs8.loc.gov> As Jonathan Makepeace pointed out (see below), you can access LOCIS via Telnet, OR via tn3270. You can also access part of LOCIS via your WWW browswer via a choice of two Z39.50 fill-in the form interfaces. This is for the subset of the database that contains books with full MARC records (i.e. newer books). Access to all of these interfaces is available via the Library of Congress Web Site. There are also descriptions and instructions available. Start at: http://www.loc.gov and choose "catalog." Or connect directly to: http://lcweb.loc.gov/homepage/online.html where the options are described you'll find pointers to guidelines for searching LOCIS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Johathan David Makepeace at Louisiana State Univ. Libraries recently noted: >Although one can telnet to LOCIS most of our Technical Services staff >seem to prefer tn3270 connections to LOCIS. I mention this only because >we do not seem to be alone in having assumed until recently that telnet was >the best way to connect to LOCIS. > _________________________________________________________ * * * Elizabeth L. Brown, M.L.S. * * National Digital Library Program, LIBN/NDL/ES(1320) * * Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540-1320 * * ebro@loc.gov telephone: 202/707-2235 * * * * Library of Congress Learning Page: * * http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpedu/ * *_________________________________________________________* From cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us Fri Aug 9 13:08:06 1996 From: cbearden at sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us (Charles Bearden - Cataloging) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: FYI: LOCIS via tn3270 Message-ID: I also greatly prefer to use LOCIS via tn3270. Another service that accepts both kinds of connection is University of Texas at Austin's UTCAT: tn3270://public.dp.utexas.edu/ telnet://utcat.utexas.edu/ Here too I find tn3270 friendlier, though I use this site much less often than LOCIS. I wonder how much of such a preference is due to "feel" and how much due to concrete advantages conferred by tn3270 emulation? Any thoughts? Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Bearden email: cbearden@hpl.lib.tx.us Catalog Department voice: 713/247-3499 Houston Public Library fax: 713/247-3158 500 McKinney Ave. Houston, TX 77002 -=> NOT SPEAKING FOR HPL <=- ------------------------------------------------------------- -=>HPL's Homepage: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us<=- On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Jonathan David Makepeace wrote: > Although one can telnet to LOCIS most of our Technical Services staff > seem to prefer tn3270 connections to LOCIS. I mention this only because > we do not seem to be alone in having assumed until recently that telnet was > the best way to connect to LOCIS. > > -- Jonathan David Makepeace Original Cataloger/Automation Specialist > LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton Tel. (504) 388-3331, Fax. (504) 388-6992 > Louisiana State University http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~makepeac/ > Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu > From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 9 14:36:06 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC Message-ID: <9608091838.AA21962@library.berkeley.edu> Fay Hjartarson, in her recent message raises an important issue that I do not believe [and I could be wrong [:-{>] has been as extensively as I be the issue should. >While we are on the topic of MARC tags and tagging, has anyone heard of a >MARC tags conversion program to SGML tags ? We are looking at creating an >SGML tagged repository of bibliographic information, which we think could be >much more flexible when we want to create outputs. In my Position Paper prepared for the Colloquium of the Internet Cataloging Project, I advance the notion of extending MARC with HTML to create a cataloging tagging format that would make use of the extensive investment in MARC (and usefulness, as well) in the Web environment. The URL for my paper is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/OCLC.htm My discussion of 'HTML-MARC' can be found in the 'Presenting' section of the Paper. In it I note a similar observation that Fay has made concerning the potential benefit (and certainly the need) for this type of functionality. I will be preparing a White Paper (Paper? [:-)] about my concept of HTML-MARC and would greatly appreciate reactions to the skeletal proposal and the characteristics of an associated DTD. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University 152 Parks Library Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu From jmeyers at netins.net Fri Aug 9 15:11:26 1996 From: jmeyers at netins.net (Janet Meyers) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: Recommended sites Message-ID: <320B8D5E.6269@netins.net> I have been asked to do a demo of public library web sites that provide a web interface to their catalogs, other online databases, and community information, e.g. city government info., local newpaper indexes, information and referral databases. I have a few sites in mind, but would appreciate receiving some suggestions. TIA -- Janet Meyers jmeyers@netins.net PUBLIC LIBRARY OF DES MOINES - http://www.netins.net/showcase/pldm/ HOME - http://www.netins.net/showcase/meyers/ The opinions expressed here are mine alone. From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Fri Aug 9 16:29:29 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC In-Reply-To: <9608091838.AA21962@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Gerry McKiernan wrote: > >While we are on the topic of MARC tags and tagging, has anyone heard of a > >MARC tags conversion program to SGML tags ? We are looking at creating an > >SGML tagged repository of bibliographic information, which we think could be > >much more flexible when we want to create outputs. In Mike Cooper's book "Design of Library Automation Systems" he discusses bibliographic applications of SGML and Ray Larson and Jerry McDonough's work on a MARC DTD Wiley, ISBN 0-471-13884-3, 1996. --Thom From witteman at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 9 17:32:24 1996 From: witteman at rci.rutgers.edu (Mark H. Witteman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:46 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC In-Reply-To: "Gerry McKiernan" "HTML-MARC" (Aug 9, 11:47am) References: <9608091838.AA21962@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <9608091732.ZM11575@amenti.rutgers.edu> I passed along the recent web4lib comments on HTML/MARC to Jerry McDonough, a PhD student at UC Berkeley's School of Information Management and Systems, who had this comment: >From jmcd@info.sims.berkeley.edu Fri Aug 9 17:19:08 1996 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: HTML-MARC To: witteman@rci.rutgers.edu (Mark H. Witteman) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:19:00 -0700 (PDT) [...] If you want to score points with the mailing list for being in the know, you can tell them that the Library of Congress MARC Standards office has a draft of a DTD for all of the USMARC formats completed. It's currently undergoing review (I'm one of the people looking it over). The contractor they hired to do the job is working on translation tools to move from standard USMARC to SGML/MARC and back again. If you want to look over the DTD (be warned: it's bloody HUGE) it's at ftp.loc.gov in /pub/marc as zmarcdtd.zip and zmarcent.zip (you'll need both files). [...] Jerry McDonough -- jmcd@info.SIMS.Berkeley.EDU | (......) UCB School of Information Management & Systems | \ * * / | \ <> / "Don't worry. I know what I'm doing!" | \ -- / SGNORMPF!!! -- From the Famous Last Words file | |||| On Aug 9, 11:47am, Gerry McKiernan wrote: > Subject: HTML-MARC > Fay Hjartarson, in her recent message raises an important issue that > I do not believe [and I could be wrong [:-{>] has been as extensively > as I be the issue should. > > >While we are on the topic of MARC tags and tagging, has anyone heard of a > >MARC tags conversion program to SGML tags ? We are looking at creating an > >SGML tagged repository of bibliographic information, which we think could be > >much more flexible when we want to create outputs. > > In my Position Paper prepared for the Colloquium of the Internet Cataloging > Project, I advance the notion of extending MARC with HTML to create a > cataloging tagging format that would make use of the extensive investment > in MARC (and usefulness, as well) in the Web environment. The URL for my > paper is: > > http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/OCLC.htm > > My discussion of 'HTML-MARC' can be found in the 'Presenting' section > of the Paper. In it I note a similar observation that Fay has > made concerning the potential benefit (and certainly the need) > for this type of functionality. > > I will be preparing a White Paper (Paper? [:-)] about my concept > of HTML-MARC and would greatly appreciate reactions to the skeletal > proposal and the characteristics of an associated DTD. > > Regards, > > Gerry McKiernan > Curator, CyberStacks(sm) > Iowa State University > 152 Parks Library > Ames IA 50011 > > gerrymck@iastate.edu > >-- End of excerpt from Gerry McKiernan -- <<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>> Mark H. Witteman email: witteman@rci.rutgers.edu Systems Programmer voice: 908-445-5896 | fax: 908-445-5888 Rutgers University Libraries www: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~witteman Technical Services Building __o P.O. Box 1350 _`\<; Piscataway, NJ 08855-1350 (*)/(*) Biking is best! From hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Aug 13 10:38:31 1996 From: hudsonl at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Laura Hudson) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: ILL forms Message-ID: <199608131438.KAA02945@holmes.cns.ohiou.edu> Here is a condensed version of the answers I've received regarding my query about cgi scripts for ILL forms. Thanks so much to everybody answered my call for information--I may be in touch! Many kind people offered to share their scripts with me. Several people pointed me to Jim Robertson's "Library Forms" page at http://hertz.njit.edu/~robertso/LibForms.html with the idea that if I saw an ILL forms system that I liked, I could contact the library individually. Similarly, several people pointed me towards the web4lib "summary of ILL web request forms" available from the web4lib archives. The most useful ILL form, for my purposes, that I've seen was from Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories, at http://www.lbl.gov/ICSD/Library/forms/illreq.html It sends ILL requests to a database and also sends a message to the ILL staff alerting them that they have a new request; it also includes interactive error checking. An ILL request form kit is available for download at: http://www.arachnoid.com/index.html This is the type of form which sends email to an ILL staff account. Laura Hudson Reference Librarian Ohio University Libraries From joelr at sinnfree.sinnfree.org Mon Aug 12 14:38:59 1996 From: joelr at sinnfree.sinnfree.org (Joel Rosenfeld) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is in reply to Matthew Penn's posting about an FOIA request for a community network's subscriber list. His posting was long. I would say that they should get an opinion from another attorney. If his organization is a private not-for-profit and not a government agency, the Freedom of Information Act may not even apply. Mr. Penn is right to object to such a use of the FOIA. Library folk involved with community networks might also be interested in a listserv called communet. Joel Rosenfeld Rockford, Illinis From ACKadam at aol.com Tue Aug 13 12:12:57 1996 From: ACKadam at aol.com (ACKadam@aol.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: please tell me how to get off list Message-ID: <960813121256_383658469@emout08.mail.aol.com> thank you - noone has responded to my request individually, so i am forced to ask everyone. forgive me. From mjm at stubbs.ucop.edu Tue Aug 13 13:05:56 1996 From: mjm at stubbs.ucop.edu (MJ Moore, Library Automation, UCOP) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: job posting Message-ID: <9608131705.AA17398@stubbs.ucop.edu> Dear Manager, Could you please post the following job at your site? Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Mary Jean Moore Library Automation University of California (510) 987-0564 PROGRAMMER/ANALYST III $43,400 - 54,300 (mid-pt) University of California, Office of the President Sr. VP BUSINESS & FINANCE: Information Resources & Communications: Library Automation Job Number 6-12-633 Essential functions: As a member of the Library Automation unit, provide workstation-based support for user interfaces for the University of California MELVYL Library system through programming, design, and analysis. Develop complex UNIX-based application and protocol software for the MELVYL system. Modify and maintain developed software in response to input from campus and end users. Enhance preexisting software packages to provide new functionality (such as adding new features to a public-domain Z39.50 information retrieval protocol package). With senior staff will participate in specification and design of the technical environment and system for workstation-based applications, including end user interfaces for the MELVYL system (such as WEB server applications) and system packages (such as access control extensions to http servers). Provide unit staff with technical support and training on issues concerning UNIX, C programming language, etc. Provide analytical support for defining requirements and establishing the technical environment for developing UNIX applications for the MELVYL system. Analyze available UNIX tools and components and make recommendations as to how to best integrate them into the evolving system. Skills, knowledge and abilities: Significant related experience including C programming and UNIX operating system. Logical reasoning skills. Problem recognition and solving skills. Excellent oral and communications skills. Desirable: Experience with Web based applications, C++, perl, Java and the Z39.50 protocol. Closing date: Open until filled. To respond: Send resume/application to: University of California, Office of the President, Employment #6-12, 300 Lakeside Dr., 9th floor, Oakland, California, 94612-3550. Telephone: (510) 987-0825. Fax: (510) 987-0894. E-mail: sharon.flood@ucop.edu. AA/EOE From rharrington at jjhill.org Tue Aug 13 15:41:51 1996 From: rharrington at jjhill.org (Rich Harrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: Which Plug-Ins/Helper Apps? Message-ID: 19551244801046@jjhill.org Greetings Web4Lib-ers, I will soon be placing 2 PCs on our Reading Room floor that will be devoted to World Wide Web (Netscape) for the public. I have been carefully disabling the various aspects of this program we have talked about here. But now it is time to add functionality. And I'd like to ask for your guidance. What plug-ins/helper applications should I load? I have so far decided to put Adobe Acrobat Reader, and a stupid little Microsoft telnet program. I am wavering on applications like RealAudio and Shockwave. What have you found to be useful for your patrons? What has been, in your opinion, more trouble than it's worth? I'll be happy to collect the data and post the results in a few days. Thanks so much, Rich ---------- Rich Harrington Electronic Services Department James J. Hill Reference Library, St. Paul, MN USA rharrington@jjhill.org From ssansenb at delnet.net Tue Aug 13 19:00:40 1996 From: ssansenb at delnet.net (S. M. S.) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:47 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security Message-ID: <199608132300.TAA06910@mail.ee.net> A short time ago someone offered a script for accessing FirstSearch without having to use a CGI script. The writer said that the problem was the file needed to be placed where access to it was secure. I need to get in contact with this person, or someone who can answer the two following questions: 1. Where do you put the file that it may be "secure" if it is on a PC? 2. How can the script be made "secure" at all since it seems to allow access from Netscape by using "document source." Any answer to this would be much appreciated. Susan Sansenbaugher System Operator Westerville Public Library ssansenb@delnet.net From Rami.Heinisuo at pori.fi Wed Aug 14 03:04:01 1996 From: Rami.Heinisuo at pori.fi (Rami Heinisuo) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC In-Reply-To: <9608131320.AA01960@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: Hello Marc (and those who are interested in MARC) > A question to the librarian types out there (computer geeks, feel free to > respond too)...Do you all think that the following would be sufficiently > descriptive of the properties of an arbitrary MARC record to decide if your > applications could understand both the encoding format as well as the semantics > of each tag: > > type - USMARC, UKMARC ... - major type of marc rec > rec - bib, opac, med, innspec, hold ... - type of data encoded > auth - oclc, nlm, ucdla ... - encoding authority What about the character set? Or is it implied in one of your categories? In Finland we use FINMARC, but I think there are variations in the character sets between different user bodies. Personally, I'd like to know if anyone has written a program that would examine a file and after that it would tell me what character set / standard is used in it ;) > >From my experience with a small subset of MARC encodings, this seems to be > enough information, but I'd appreciate it if you all would point out any > show-stoppers that I've forgot. But there are so many different MARCs...Understanding the semantics of each and every one could be quite a task even if there weren't any errors in the records...Good luck anyway. > Also, a few years ago, we were talking about an SGML DTD for MARC. But we > decided that MARC is a container for structured metadata as is SGML, so why > another container? What exactly is the point of encoding MARC into SGML? That > SGML (Hah!) is easier to parse than MARC? I agree with you that nothing is easier to parse than MARC. But, it would make sense if the metadata had to be in the same file as the electronic document provided that the document would also be encoded in SGML. And the size limit of a marc record is 100KB (admittedly it is sufficient for most needs but there is no size limit in an SGML instance). I have a SGML DTD for USMARC - I remember having downloaded it from Berkeley...So anyone who is doing such a job could think twice whether re-inventing the wheel is really necessary. Greetings, Rami -------------------------------------------------------------- Rami Heinisuo City Library of Pori Information specialist Regional library of Satakunta rami.heinisuo@pori.fi PB 200 FIN-28101 PORI FINLAND -------------------------------------------------------------- From dbecker at MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU Wed Aug 14 09:51:00 1996 From: dbecker at MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU (Becker, Deirdre) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: Remote Web access Message-ID: <9608141256.AA29803@library.berkeley.edu> I am interested in knowing whether the campuses of the members of this group provide dial-in access to the Web (not just text-based) for their users from home. For those who do, how is this handled? Is there a fee? Is it available to all persons affiliated with the institution? What software is used to provide security such as passwords? How long have you had it? Any other issues? Like many campuses we have dial-in access from home to various campus servers for email, gopher etc., but not yet for access to the Web other than through Lynx. Please respond to me and I can summarize for the group if there is sufficient interest. **************************************************************************** ********************* --Deirdre Becker/Head of Reference and Educational Services The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston dbecker@mspo2.med.utmb.edu From mshowalt at coa1.ci.austin.tx.us Wed Aug 14 12:39:11 1996 From: mshowalt at coa1.ci.austin.tx.us (Madeleine Showalter) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security References: <199608132300.TAA06910@mail.ee.net> Message-ID: <3212012F.635C@library.ci.austin.tx.us> I have been told that "hackers" can enter commands in a form/search engine which can be transferred to your operating system. This can allow them to get to a command line prompt in your system. So, I assume that "secure" means to prevent this by changing your CGI script. That's all I know, I'm just a beginner in using CGI. S. M. S. wrote: > > A short time ago someone offered a script for accessing FirstSearch without > having to use a CGI script. The writer said that the problem was the file > needed to be placed where access to it was secure. > > I need to get in contact with this person, or someone who can answer the two > following questions: > > 1. Where do you put the file that it may be "secure" if it is on a PC? > > 2. How can the script be made "secure" at all since it seems to allow > access from Netscape by using "document source." > > Any answer to this would be much appreciated. > > Susan Sansenbaugher > System Operator > Westerville Public Library > ssansenb@delnet.net -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Madeleine Showalter mshowalt@library.ci.austin.tx.us Webmaster (512) 499-7461 Austin Public Library http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library From swestman at sherlock.sherlock.utsa.edu Wed Aug 14 12:21:38 1996 From: swestman at sherlock.sherlock.utsa.edu (Steve Westman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security In-Reply-To: <3212012F.635C@library.ci.austin.tx.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Madeleine Showalter wrote: > I have been told that "hackers" can enter commands in a form/search engine which can be > transferred to your operating system. This can allow them to get to a command line > prompt in your system. So, I assume that "secure" means to prevent this by changing > your CGI script. That's all I know, I'm just a beginner in using CGI. > The answer is simple: Yes and No. If you are not careful in writing your CGI scripting, you can leave yourself open to attacks, particularly if you a) are using a UNIX platform for your server, and b) if you use sendmail or other SUID types of programs that take user input. That's the bad news. The "good" (if not "fail proof") news is that you can avoid most security problems if you are aware of some of the problems and you learn to avoid certain practices in your CGI scripting. There are a number of books and sites out there on the Web, although good starting places include: http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/World_Wide_Web/Security In particular, check out the "CGI" and "FAQ-World Wide Web Security" links. If you are using perl for CGI programming on a UNIX platform, you might also want to check out O'Reilly's "Managing Internet Information Services" (ISBN 1-56592-062-7). It has good examples of secure script writing (including a way to keep users from using those nasty characters when filling out a form that uses the sendmail program to forward the responses). Hope this helps. ************************************************************************ * Stephen Westman (210) 691-5977 (phone) * * Electronic Services Librarian (210) 691-4571 (FAX) * * University of Texas at San Antonio swestman@coyote.utsa.edu * * Library * * 6900 North Loop 1604 West * * San Antonio, Texas 78249 * ************************************************************************ From e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us Wed Aug 14 12:37:55 1996 From: e-wigg at evanston.lib.il.us (Edward Wigg) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security Message-ID: <9608141637.AA26977@library.berkeley.edu> Madeleine Showalter wrote: >I have been told that "hackers" can enter commands in a form/search engine which can be >transferred to your operating system. This can allow them to get to a command line >prompt in your system. So, I assume that "secure" means to prevent this by changing >your CGI script. That's all I know, I'm just a beginner in using CGI. This is not wrong, but it is somewhat misleading. Correctly written CGI programs are secure -- there is nothing inherent in a form/search engine which gives hackers access. However, (and it is a big however) there are many CGI scripts out there that ARE insecure -- phf comes to mind. These do not properly parse form data; they do not filter illegal/unwanted/dangerous characters correctly from requests. One of the nasties is not stripping %0A string (hex for a newline) from commands that are passed to the shell. This can allow a hacker to execute arbitrary commands on your system (e.g. rm *, or cat /etc/passwd) which might cause problems depending on file protections and the settings for the webuser account. This is not the same as getting a command line, but it is a step towards full access. It is a good policy to disable all scripts that are not strictly necessary for operation. You can also grep your access logs for the %0A string to see if attackers are trying this particular hack. Some of the above specifics are for unix, but the principles are cross platform. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Wigg "Just another guy, you know?" Evanston Public Library e-wigg@evanston.lib.il.us Evanston, Illinois From mhuber1 at umbc.edu Wed Aug 14 13:37:47 1996 From: mhuber1 at umbc.edu (Michael Huber) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:48 2005 Subject: Using Iron Clad on a Library Web Station (fwd) Message-ID: We have several machines for students to access the Web. I am currently reinstalling and configuring them. Due to the number of enterprising students we have, we are installing Iron Clad to provide additional protection. I have heard that there is a Web Site that details how to configure Iron Clad for an academic environment but, have not been able to find it. Does anyone know where this can be found? Thanks, Mike Huber Computer Support Albin O. Kuhn Library Univ of MD Baltimore County --------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The thoughts and ideas expressed above are mine and mine alone. | | Michael Huber mhuber1@umbc.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kamorgan at unity.ncsu.edu Wed Aug 14 13:54:37 1996 From: kamorgan at unity.ncsu.edu (Keith Morgan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Scheduling software Message-ID: <199608141754.NAA02919@cc10ss.unity.ncsu.edu> Has anyone successfully implemented a scheduling program? We are moving to a 24 hour, full-service library and this has further complicated the already complex business of sheduling librarians and support-staff at our reference desk. I have done some searching for examples of this type of program but so far they are either too simple or too specialized. My ideal program would allow entering exceptions to the schedule, distinguishing between librarian and support-staff, keeping track of total hours for each employee, and refusing to allow anyone to work more than two hours in a row. Suggestions, ideas gratefully accepted Thanks Keith Morgan From choward at iastate.edu Wed Aug 14 15:08:02 1996 From: choward at iastate.edu (Chris Howard) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security Message-ID: <1FBC11E597B@staff1.lib.iastate.edu> > The answer is simple: Yes and No. If you are not careful in writing your > CGI scripting, you can leave yourself open to attacks, particularly if > you a) are using a UNIX platform for your server, and b) if you use > sendmail or other SUID types of programs that take user input. UNIX isn't the only platform with problems. The biggest hole I have seen is on Windows NT platforms when the perl.exe program is placed in the CGI program directory. Much badness. On a related note: what newsgroups, mailing lists, web sites do you all use to keep up on web security issues? -- Chris Howard choward@iastate.edu (515) 294-6521 Iowa State University Library -- Automated Systems Division From powerdan at intersurf.com Wed Aug 14 14:08:55 1996 From: powerdan at intersurf.com (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Remote Web access In-Reply-To: <9608141256.AA29803@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: I am responding to the whole list as inevitably someone writes a me-too message. Also, isn't that what the list is for? Anyhow, McNeese State University in Lake Charles, Louisiana provides dial in PPP web access. There are currently only six lines but 28 lines are coming very soon. There is a $20.00 per semester fee for students. Faculty and staff ride for free. This fee also allows you access to a lab on campus. There is another free Internet access lab available in the library (also coming soon). I don't know how password security is handled. We have had this service about a year. The issue to me is one of the library's role as information provider. Are we an information provider or a computer lab or both? I feel the library's resources should be spent on database access purchases and then the library should make this information available via the Internet. I feel users should be responsible for acquiring a computer to access these databases on their own. The great thing about a dial-in PPP connection to the university is we can restrict access to university IP numbers for proprietary databases. We do this with WinSPIRS and MacSPIRS combined with SilverPlatter databases. Don't get me wrong, we do allow access in the building to the databases. This is done through dumb terminals and the future lab. However, I strongly feel that computers with modems should be required equipment for all students. The financail aid packages should reflect this cost. I believe Sonoma State, my alma mater, did this recently though I have not heard the results. The bottom line is I feel the university should provide the funds for the computer labs on campuses and these funds should not come out of the library budget. In our case, the university did supply the money for the lab located in the library. There are other side issues such as charging for e-mail accounts thus creating caste systems, access hours and the like. This ought to be enough to generate a huge amount of responses. Have at it. Dan Kissane Assistant System Librarian McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA 70605 "opinions mine alone" From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Wed Aug 14 16:05:21 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: HTML-MARC In-Reply-To: Rami Heinisuo "Re: HTML-MARC" (Aug 14, 0:12) References: Message-ID: <9608141305.ZM9879@gaia.ckm.ucsf.edu> |What about the character set? Or is it implied in one of your categories? |In Finland we use FINMARC, but I think there are variations in the |character sets between different user bodies. HTTP already has an Accept-Charset: header to specify desired charsets, but it might be nice to specify an alternate charset in cases when MARC was served by protocols with weaker negotiation facilities. |But there are so many different MARCs...Understanding the semantics of |each and every one could be quite a task even if there weren't any errors |in the records...Good luck anyway. That's why negotiation is used to limit the set to the comprehensible. |But, it would make sense if the metadata had to be in the same file as |the electronic document provided that the document would also be encoded |in SGML. And the size limit of a marc record is 100KB (admittedly it is |sufficient for most needs but there is no size limit in an SGML instance). The only reason to keep metadata in the file it describes is either a very small, managable collection or laziness. I don't think that a DTD can capture the rules of MARC encoding, especially when it comes to rules like "You can't have a x subfield unless you have a w subfield..." |I have a SGML DTD for USMARC - I remember having downloaded it from |Berkeley...So anyone who is doing such a job could think twice whether |re-inventing the wheel is really necessary. Yes, I was referring to Ray Larson's DTD for Cheshire. -marc -- From hrezabek at fiat.gslis.utexas.edu Wed Aug 14 16:49:38 1996 From: hrezabek at fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Heath Rezabek) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Interesting opinion page on McrSft / Ntscp server controversy Message-ID: There's a thought-provoking essay on the O'Reilly site [O'Reilly, btw, publishes some of the most solid technical books on the market] by Tim O'Reilly at http://software.ora.com/news/msnt40_limit.html ... My problem with Microsoft, from a librarian's perspective, is that I cannot tolerate the notion of a financial force carryign such direct control over the media and over computer-mediated communications & resources; "We'll fund your library, but you have to replace your entire reference collection with this nice set of books generated by our PR department..." Not likely. Heath M Rezabek hrezabek@gslis.utexas.edu http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~hrezabek/ndx.html GSLIS Masters Candidate University of Texas at Austin Technical Staff Assistant Perry-Castaneda Library EIC HTML Writers Guild Member http://www.hwg.org/ From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Wed Aug 14 16:16:06 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Web document management Message-ID: As we move increasingly toward producing Internet-accessible electronic documents--not just informational pages, but book-length resources---we are asking ourselves questions about Web document management, including revisions, updates, edition statements and so forth. I have browsed quite a few style and HTML manuals, and though they are useful as far as they go, I haven't found documents describing procedures and policies for maintaining a digital collection, particularly when that collection consists primarily of booklike documents. Some of the questions we have raised as we talk these issues over include: should we save all revisions of a document? If not, how do we draw the line? If so, how and where? Do we archive every minor change, or do we offer guidelines and instruct authors to notify us when a document has changed editions? What *is* an edition, anyway? What do we do with older editions? What are our archival responsibilities? What preservation issues should we be alert to? What else bobs in the waters just beyond the digital horizon? My sense is that these are not technical issues, per se, but procedural and policy issues related to digital library management (though our conclusions may benefit from technical support). Any input here, including recommendations of resources digital or analog, would be gratefully received. I am looking less for individual answers, which I suspect we know if we ask ourselves, than for working management models. If you post to me personally, I'll summarize for the list; but if you would rather continue this rumination in public, that's fine too. Karen G. Schneider Director, US EPA Region 2 Library schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov opinions mine alone From temhof at mohave.lib.az.us Wed Aug 14 17:39:55 1996 From: temhof at mohave.lib.az.us (Temple Hoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <321247AB.B5F@mohave.lib.az.us> Hello, Is everyone on vacation? It seems a little quite out there. I'd like to start a discussion on linux; where and how it is or can be used in libraries. Is anyone using it as a web, e-mail, or file server? How about a firewall? Has anyone considered it then select something else i.e. NT, Netscape server, Sun etc? My purpose in this is, hopefully, to raise awareness about this powerful operating system, its capabilities, and its price, FREE! Having been developed under the GUN Public License (GPL) as "freeware", it has developed a following of highly competent independent developers around the world freely sharing (for the most part) the code they create. This theology seems right inline with the historic mission of libraries. I see the two as highly complemetary. comments? -- Temple Hoff E-Mail:temhof@mohave.lib.az.us Library Services Coordinator Phone:(520) 692-5703 Mohave County Library District Fax:(520) 692-5788 From Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu Wed Aug 14 18:31:06 1996 From: Albert-Lunde at nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: >Hello, > >Is everyone on vacation? It seems a little quite out there. > >I'd like to start a discussion on linux; where and how it is or can be used >in libraries. Is anyone using it as a web, e-mail, or file server? How about >a firewall? I'd guess that a lot of people are busy getting ready for new students. I'm not sure detailed discussion of Linux is totally on topic. My off-hand opinion is that Linux might reasonablely be _considered_ as cheap replacement for Unix in many applications like web servers, POP/SMTP servers, or X-windows displays. Part of the downside is that you need at least one person on staff who is skilled in installing and maintaining the system. My second-hand impression is that this calls for at least as much skills, perhaps more, than a typical Unix sys admin. I'd also be very concerned about security of a Linux system directy connected to the Internet. I've seen a number of security alerts and bug reports about Linux in the past year. You can argue that everybody having the source code works both ways: bugs may get reported sooner; but unless you follow a lot of security lists very carefully you may not hear about the fixes. I would _not_ use Linux for a firewall because there are just too many issues about the code base that have been raised over time. The "competition" in this context is commercial releases of Unix for the PC, like BSDI or SCO, other PC systems like Novell or NT, and products on other hardware platforms like HP/UX, dedicated firewalls/routers/X-terminals, or Macs. For a particlar application one of these may be attractive. (I'm not a Linux users, but a part-time Unix admin who's had to spend some time becoming professionally paranoid about security ;) --- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu From temhof at mohave.lib.az.us Wed Aug 14 19:53:04 1996 From: temhof at mohave.lib.az.us (Temple Hoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <321266E0.27@mohave.lib.az.us> Hi! You could be right about the students. I work in a public library so I'm a bit removed from that sort of thing. I hope Linux is "on-topic" for this list. It seems to me that sharing info on O/Ses and their connectivity would be vital info for libraries in their pursuit to "get connected." I know we talk alot about what we put on our library web sites and how we deal with them politically, but I hope we can also discuss what we are using, why, and how we are getting it into our ever shinking budgets. I guess that's a call for the list gods at Berkeley. My primary function at our library is to maintain our libraries Unix (AIX) system. When I was wired I knew nothing about it, so I put linux on my home machine to help me learn. That way I could try all the scary commands at home with no risk of crashing the library's system. It's worked out great. I think I've reached the novice level on both systems, maybe a little higher. I do think linux is much easier to install and learn. At least easier than AIX. I agree, somewhat on the firewall issue. I guess its a matter of degree. If I'm protecting the Pentagon's systems I probably wouldn't use linux, however, for our library anyway, I think it will work great. Most all of our data is public info anyway. We are not a major target, and when it comes right down to it, I have a feeling those evil few who can hack past a linux firewall could also get past a lot of Unix or NT or other big ticket firewalls. If you pay the $35 to get linux from Red Hat then you don't have to prowl the newesgroups for security fixes. Red Hat will let you know, and provide product support. Caldera works the same way. They even have WordPerfect ported over for X windows. I wonder how many libraries just connect right up to the Internet without a firewall at all, maybe just a router acting as a filter. I know of a few colleges and schools that are hooked-up that way. It may not be a BSDI system but a free linux firewall is certainly preferable to nothing. By the way, have you looked at BSDI prices? WOW! Way out our budget range! As far as needing skilled staff, you're right on. It does take a special kind of person for linux or Unix, but many library automation systems like our Sirsi Unicorn system, are Unix based. If a library already has a Unix person onboard for their automation system and they don't want to build a web server or firewall on their present Unix box and can't afford another, why not use linux? More than the particulars of linux, though I love the topic, I am interested in knowing if anyone out there in library land is using it or considering it and for what. -- Temple Hoff E-Mail:temhof@mohave.lib.az.us Library Services Coordinator Phone:(520) 692-5703 Mohave County Library District Fax:(520) 692-5788 From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Wed Aug 14 21:01:47 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (marc@ckm.ucsf.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:49 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <199608150101.SAA10289@gaia> Over the last few days, I've heard about a Linux implementation that supports public key encryption IN THE KERNEL and is available for FTP from outside the USA so the paranoid machinations of the USG (not to mention France) when it comes to encryption will be moot. I'll trace down some more sources and relay them to the list. But in general, Linux is NOT a low-maintenance platform. Unless you consider coming home after a random system crash to perform delicate disk formatting surgery including convoluted booting procedures from floppy and CDROM to be low-maintenance. If you have the resident support expertise, Linux on a fast pentium compares favorably to a "real" workstation on speed and price. -marc From KDAN at nla.gov.au Thu Aug 15 20:31:00 1996 From: KDAN at nla.gov.au (Kathryn Dan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Scheduling software Message-ID: <3213C15C@smtp.nla.gov.au> >Date: Wednesday, 14 August 1996 11:00AM > >Has anyone successfully implemented a scheduling program? > >Keith Morgan I would be very interested to hear a summary of any results you get. We also want to keep track of the number of shifts, place restrictions on consecutive shifts and so on. We roster 4 service points simultaneously and have found the same thing - the products are either too simple or too complex because they take in a whole range of human resource management functions. Kathryn ********************************************************************** Kathryn Dan Information Services National Library of Australia kdan@nla.gov.au Phone: (06)2621607 Fax: (06)2735081 Visit the Australian Society of Archivists web page at http://www.aa.gov.au/AA_WWW/ProAssn/ASA/ASA.html ********************************************************************** ---------- >From: web4lib >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Scheduling software > From ehschnel at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu Aug 15 08:23:37 1996 From: ehschnel at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric Schnell) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960815122337.002c8a88@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> We have also been experimenting with Linux. It is being used as the OS on a Web server which we run our PERL / CGI scripts on. We route all Web forms to it for processing thus distributing the CPU load. If it were not for hiring a computer programmer ethusiastic with it I do not think we would have even considered Linux. The OS is very particular about video drivers and CDROM units which are used, something that only those who have experience with it would have even known about. For example we had to use a 2X CDROM because it would not recognize anything faster. Even though he has installed Linux many times, it still took him almost a week to get it done so all the services were working. On the other hand, once it is installed it is a very powerful system which can run a Web service quite well on a 486 with 8MB of memory. One thing about Linux users, they are believers in the system! He has been trying to convince me that we should drop all Microsoft OS's in favor of Linux running X-windows. As I told him, we have to be careful not to develop systems and library standardsaround an OS which requires such a high level of understanding and support. Besides, what are the odds we will be able to find someone else with his understanding of the OS If he moves on? So unless you have the support staff or are willing to take the time to learn and experiment, don't bother with Linux. If you do, be careful not to paint yourself into a corner. -Eric Eric Schnell, Head of Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State schnell.9@osu.edu 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Thu Aug 15 08:53:38 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Interesting opinion page on McrSft / Ntscp server controversy Message-ID: <199608151253.IAA25055@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> > From: Heath Rezabek > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Interesting opinion page on McrSft / Ntscp server controversy > Date: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 5:13 PM > > There's a thought-provoking essay on the O'Reilly site [O'Reilly, btw, > publishes some of the most solid technical books on the market] by Tim > O'Reilly at > > http://software.ora.com/news/msnt40_limit.html If you haven't read this, it has to do with Microsoft's policy on the number of TCP/IP sockets that can be opened under the NT Workstation 4.0 license. It does not (AFAICT) deal with any "McrSft/Ntscp server controversy". Essentially, the current version of the license--whatever that means, since NT 4.0 just went to manufacturing the day before this essay was written and wasn't available for purchase yet--has a 10 simultaneous user policy although Microsoft has publicly backed away from this decision. Microsoft seems to be backtracking some, waffling a little, perhaps being pokey in getting a new policy through the legal department that writes their license agreement verbiage, and certainly looking to turn NT Server into a cash cow. Tim O'Reilly might just possibly be turning up the heat a little to hide his embarrassment over the fact that he flamed Microsoft on comp.infosystems.www.* for their original policy *after* they had already backed down from it. (And let's not overlook that fact that Tim's company has a competing product that has gotten a lot less press recently than offerings from Microsoft and Netscape. He wouldn't be using a seeming editorial to keep his place as a player, would he?) > > .. My problem with Microsoft, from a librarian's perspective, is that I > cannot tolerate the notion of a financial force carryign such direct > control over the media and over computer-mediated communications & > resources; "We'll fund your library, but you have to replace your entire > reference collection with this nice set of books generated by our PR > department..." I think we can all agree that if NTW 4.0 really gets into users hands with this restriction, it represents a nearsighted and dumb decision on Microsoft's part--certainly not their first, but not a sign that they're dictating the content of anyone's library. But if you're so concerned about the degree of control Microsoft exerts, why would you even be looking at NT? I think the people on this list could provide plenty of non-MS platform alternatives. Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu ("Hey, I've got the CIA and Aliens beaming reruns of I Love Lucy into my brain--you think I have time to be paranoid about Microsoft's web server strategies?") From caldweg1 at tipo.transcripts.com Thu Aug 15 10:04:08 1996 From: caldweg1 at tipo.transcripts.com (caldweg1@tipo.transcripts.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <9607158401.AA840125067@tipo.transcripts.com> We have both SCO and Linux here, and I have done SunOS. We have several web servers, here and abroad, running Linux and Apache. I have found them to be easier - with faster, more knowledgeable support on the net - than any other OS. I greatly prefer Linux community-style support to what we get from SCO. Yes, there are subtle gotchas in Linux, no different from any OS. For what it's worth, we have found the Slackware distribution to be fairly robust - 14000 visitors a day, some 100000 gets a day on a 486/33 with 16meg RAM. We tried RedHat from RedHat and Caldera, both of which we thought were superior desktops, but web demands crashed them. Could of been something we didn't do. Since we webserve internationally, downloads and upgrades over the net really help us keep versions constant worldwide. And with this useage, over the last 6 months we've had NO fatal hacks. Check the RedHat page for general Linux knowledge and security discussions, also the CGI-L (EGE.EDU.TR). George -no signature line- Caldwell From notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Thu Aug 15 09:26:49 1996 From: notdpa at unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (David P Atkins) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <321247AB.B5F@mohave.lib.az.us> Message-ID: Some time ago, I posed the same question, specifically comparing two versionso of linux: Slackware & Red Hat. Red Hat is not free nor is it expensive. It boasts some shareware add-ons that make installation & management easier. Just as we we're about to go w/ Red Hat, our attention was turned to Caldera's linux product: a Red Hat 2.something release w/ some shareware add-ons, including a Novell unixware client and a truely resonable price. Caldera was also given a couple of virtual thumbs up in a recent issue of Unix Review (do I've that title correct?). It also includes the Apache httpdaemon. We've only just begun using the server, WebSPIRS server so we don't know what it'll take bo bring it down. A good book on linux is Dee-Ann LeBlanc's _Running the Perfect Internet Site with Linux_, a 1996 publication from Que Press. It comes w/ all the freeware you need to get started. Still, I'm glad we shelled out the $70 bucks for Caldera (includes manual & tech. support). Happy unix, David ______________________________________________________________________ David P. Atkins Electronic Reference Services Librarian Middleton Library email: notdpa@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Louisiana State University voice: (504) 388-6823 Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300 fax: (504) 388-6825 ______________________________________________________________________ From blakely1 at jeflin.tju.edu Thu Aug 15 10:36:14 1996 From: blakely1 at jeflin.tju.edu (ELIZABETH BLAKELY/REFERENCE) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: re security In-Reply-To: <321266E0.27@mohave.lib.az.us> Message-ID: About libraries not being a big target for prowlers... You might read Tom Delaney's article in Computers in Libraries (16:2:1996, p 8+). The article describes his nasty experience of having the library computers at Colorado State U. hacked. The article's upshot, Libraries systems are good targets; they have large quantities of data being stored and searched but not lots of sophisticated utilities or programs. Delaney contends that they are good places for hackers to hide. When I worked as a systems administrator, I always tried to be concerned about the accounts on our machines but instill folks with a sense of keep your materials secure so that people cannot abuse/use your account for other nefarious purposes: security holes start can be small but can affect more than just one person or machine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Elizabeth Linck Blakely, MILS | blakely1@jeflin.tju.edu Information Services Librarian | 215/503-7676 Academic Information Services & Research | 1020 Walnut Street Thomas Jefferson University | Philadelphia, PA 19107 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu Thu Aug 15 09:44:29 1996 From: pcgorman at facstaff.wisc.edu (Peter C. Gorman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Web document management In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karen G. Schneider writes: >Some of the questions we have raised as we talk these issues >over include: should we save all revisions of a document? If not, >how do we draw the line? If so, how and where? Do we archive >every minor change, or do we offer guidelines and instruct >authors to notify us when a document has changed editions? I had to think about these issues when I edited (produced?) an HTML edition of an existing book, John Nolen's _Madison, A Model City_ (http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ModelCity/ModelCity_top.html). All of the revisions to date have been corrections of (my) typos or changes in the markup. Since these haven't affected the content of the book in a substantive way, I decided to log each set of changes in a comment at the top of the first (HTML) page rather than create a new 'edition' or 'version'. The use of HTML comments lets you do some other useful things, like marking editorial corrections, original page breaks, etc. in the body of the text without having it clutter up the display. Interested readers can view the source of the document to see those details (look at the source of the page at the URL above for examples). >What *is* an edition, anyway? That's the really interesting question. In the print world, new editions are relatively few because of the cost involved in producing the document. In the electronic world, however, it's very easy to publish the document anew every time you change a comma, and almost as easy to get rid of previous versions. Every author's draft is a potential 'edition'. I guess we had it easy with Nolen's book, because he isn't around to make changes. I suppose I'd draw the line when the text of the document changes in some non-trivial way. It's up to the 'publisher' of the electronic document whether to accumulate changes and create new editions sparingly (as in the print world, of necessity) or to implement every change as soon as it occurs. Using the former approach, and therefore having clean breaks between editions, makes the archiving problem more manageable. PG _______________________________ Peter C. Gorman University of Wisconsin General Library System Automation Services pcgorman@facstaff.wisc.edu From jon at net.lut.ac.uk Thu Aug 15 09:58:23 1996 From: jon at net.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <321247AB.B5F@mohave.lib.az.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Temple Hoff wrote: > I'd like to start a discussion on linux; where and how it is or can be used > in libraries. Is anyone using it as a web, e-mail, or file server? How about > a firewall? Has anyone considered it then select something else i.e. NT, > Netscape server, Sun etc? Well I used Linux in our library to prototype a gateway to DOS based CDROMs for Mac, UNIX and dumb terminal users. Unfortunately the project got scuppered for political reasons before we could move it into production but the prototype worked well - certainly better than the dismal OS/2 attempt that was tried before I got to it. This was a while ago, so we were using a Slackware release with the 1.2.8 kernel. I still use the machine as my workstation in the library as I much prefer UNIX/X11 to DOS/Windows (though I sometimes have to reboot into Windows to do development on the Windows CD-ROMs - something I can't do with my Sun workstation in the Computer Studies dept). I'd like to use Linux more in the library but I'm only a grunt programmer employed to support the CD-ROMs and various databases in the library one day/week. Our Computing Services are using Linux in production environments though; for example they're dedicating old 386/486 machines to be BOOTP servers for the new student residence networks. Its a great way of reusing machines that have become too small to run the standard MS desktop OS and apps. It seems to be working well for them and I know of at least one of their programmers that has Linux as his main working operating system on his Pentium machine in his office. I also find that you also get much better support with Linux or FreeBSD. Sure, the commerical vendors of other OSes and apps may sell you support contracts for their products but frankly the level of service you sometimes recieve in return sucks compared to the hacker mentality and helpful user community surrounding the free UNIXes. And of course you do get the source code, so if you happen to be a hacker yourself you can always have a shot at fixing things yourself. I wonder how many beta users of Windows NT 4.0 wished they'd had the source code so that they could remove the 10 socket limit before Microsoft did? I know I've certainly wished I had the source code to certain CD-ROM products so that I could fix their brokenness in our network environment more easily. Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Thu Aug 15 10:55:01 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <199608150101.SAA10289@gaia> from "marc@ckm.ucsf.edu" at Aug 14, 96 06:07:04 pm Message-ID: marc@ckm.ucsf.edu wrote: > Over the last few days, I've heard about a Linux implementation that supports > public key encryption IN THE KERNEL and is available for FTP from outside the > USA so the paranoid machinations of the USG (not to mention France) when it > comes to encryption will be moot. Hey, tell me more about that one ... > But in general, Linux is NOT a low-maintenance platform. Unless you consider > coming home after a random system crash to perform delicate disk formatting > surgery including convoluted booting procedures from floppy and CDROM to be > low-maintenance. I don't know, what you mean by that. I have a boot/root-floppy-set for all of our machines. After a crash I boot, configure the net-interface, initialize a new filesystem and then I get the last backup over the net. I'm up again after 30 to 60 minutes ... I don't know how long that takes whith other OSes :-) By Toens From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Thu Aug 15 11:02:19 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: from "Albert Lunde" at Aug 14, 96 03:35:57 pm Message-ID: Albert Lunde wrote: > My second-hand impression is that this calls for at least as > much skills, perhaps more, than a typical Unix sys admin. Why that?! > You can argue that everybody having the source code works > both ways: bugs may get reported sooner; but unless > you follow a lot of security lists very carefully you > may not hear about the fixes. Try linux-security :-) Ah, BTW do you know a list which is dedicated to solaris security? > I would _not_ use Linux for a firewall because there are just too many > issues about the code base that have been raised over time. :-) "The code base" gives you the possibility to cut as much off the system as you need for a firewall. By Toens From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Thu Aug 15 11:11:21 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960815122337.002c8a88@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> from "Eric Schnell" at Aug 15, 96 05:27:58 am Message-ID: Eric Schnell wrote: > The OS is very particular about video drivers and CDROM > units which are used, something that only those who have > experience with it would have even known about. For example > we had to use a 2X CDROM because it would not recognize > anything faster. You must have used a kind of outdated version. If I should evaluate Linux today I would choose RedHat 3.0.3, S.u.S.e 4.3, or the Caldera Network Desktop. Those distributions support a broad range of hardware. > He has been trying to convince me that we should drop all > Microsoft OS's in favor of Linux running X-windows. As I told > him, we have to be careful not to develop systems and library > standards around an OS which requires such a high level of > understanding and support. And there it is again, that old os-war :-) Are there any libraries that use X-terminals instead of windows on their public workstations? I cannot imagine anything easier to administer ... > Besides, what are the odds we will be able to find someone > else with his understanding of the OS If he moves on? Not too bad, I guess. The Linux-community is big and growing fast. Especially at universities with a cs department. > So unless you have the support staff or are willing to take the > time to learn and experiment, don't bother with Linux. If you do, > be careful not to paint yourself into a corner. Take a chance :-) By Toens From morganj at indyunix.iupui.edu Thu Aug 15 11:21:10 1996 From: morganj at indyunix.iupui.edu (morganj@indyunix.iupui.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: re security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Our library web server got knocked off by a hacker last week. Fortunately we were able to get back up in a day, but since we had only a partial backup some pages were lost. I recommend backups of web servers very strongly, the data changes often, and we don't have those nice cdroms to reload. Jim Morgan morganj@indyunix.iupui.edu From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Thu Aug 15 11:21:32 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: from "David P Atkins" at Aug 15, 96 07:34:37 am Message-ID: David P Atkins wrote: > We've only just begun using the server, WebSPIRS server so we don't know > what it'll take bo bring it down. WebSPIRS for Linux? Is silverplatter's port ready? Great. BTW. I forgot to say that there is a mailinglist dedicated to linux in libraries. I figure it out ... By Toens From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Thu Aug 15 11:54:47 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Web document management -Reply Message-ID: There is something delightfully classic about imbedding updates in comments--reminds me of poring over Gibbon's footnotes, or digging through the textual analysis of Fanny Burney's works. It is also practical; the information is there, but is unobtrusive, and most accessible to the people seeking it. K. G. Schneider/US EPA Region 2/opinions mine alone From temhof at mohave.lib.az.us Thu Aug 15 12:24:39 1996 From: temhof at mohave.lib.az.us (Temple Hoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: linux Message-ID: <32134F47.2C82@mohave.lib.az.us> Wow! I had no idea linux was being used to this extent in libraries. Someone commented that they could use linux with a CD-ROM faster than 2x. I have an 8x in my home unit that has no problem at all. Maybe this is brand issue. Marc's post about key encryption in the kernel definately caught my eye. Is this, or can this relate to PGP? Is anyone using PGP with linux? As much as I've grown to love linux, I don't think I ready to use it as a desk top for my users (at least for now), as I think one person mentioned. I have a hard enough time teaching our library staff how to move their mouse and click on the pretty buttons. I do have my home unit partitioned half-and-half linux red hat and win95. I like being able to access the win95 partition as a directory under linux. I also understand some lunix gurus somewhere are making an x-windows desktop that looks and feels like win95. That should be fun if nothing else. Several people have commented on the support one receives from the linux community. I agree. I much prefer the level of help I receive from the linux hackers on the newsgroups etc. than what I receive from our Unix (AIX) payed support. As a matter of fact, I've received more useful help from this list than many of the vendors I deal with (and pay for!). As I am writing this post, I keep clancing at my in box and seeing the posts from Toens. You rebel you!! I'll just dido all your remarks! (and mark your e-mail address for linux questions!) ;-) Is anyone using a linux box as a router? I think I'll be using one as a router and to convert between our 100baseT wan and the 10baseT in building lan. Yes indeed, I see a bright future for linux in Libraryland! -- Temple Hoff E-Mail:temhof@mohave.lib.az.us Library Services Coordinator Phone:(520) 692-5703 Mohave County Library District Fax:(520) 692-5788 From crumj at ohsu.edu Thu Aug 15 12:39:48 1996 From: crumj at ohsu.edu (Janet Crum) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Video libraries Message-ID: I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this question, but I'm hoping there's someone out there with some expertise with setting up a video library. We have been contacted by the pr department on campus about organizing their video footage into a "digital library." They are interested in eventually putting the materials on some type of file server; I immediately thought of using Web technology, which is why I'm posting my question here. Are any of you out there familiar with the process of digitizing video and making it available via a Web server? Do you know how other news organizations organize their video footage? You may reply to me directly, if you wish, and I'll summarize for the list if there's sufficient interest. Thanks in advance. Janet Janet Crum crumj@ohsu.edu Cataloger & Systems Librarian Oregon Health Sciences University Portland, OR From lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Aug 15 13:16:06 1996 From: lhyman at mail.sdsu.edu (Linda Hyman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: free homepage creator with free webspace Message-ID: Angelfire Communications has mounted a homepage creator application AND allows users to store their homepage on their server for free!! The application is located at http://www.angelfire.com/freepages/create.html. It is easy to use and you can view your product before you submit it. It creates a very simple page; but then you can go in using your password and edit it. I wonder how large your files can be and how long it will be free? Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative Pacific Bell/San Diego State University Dept. of Educational Technology San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired From temhof at mohave.lib.az.us Thu Aug 15 13:34:25 1996 From: temhof at mohave.lib.az.us (Temple Hoff) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: linux Message-ID: <32135FA1.6BAF@mohave.lib.az.us> Toens wrote: BTW. I forgot to say that there is a mailinglist dedicated to linux in libraries. I figure it out ... -- Do tell!!! -- Temple Hoff E-Mail:temhof@mohave.lib.az.us Library Services Coordinator Phone:(520) 692-5703 Mohave County Library District Fax:(520) 692-5788 From emil at loc.gov Thu Aug 15 14:18:52 1996 From: emil at loc.gov (Elizabeth F. Miller) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: "Organizing the Global Digital Library II" Proceedings Now Available (fwd) Message-ID: The Conference on Organizing the Global Digital Library II took place at the Library of Congress on May 22, 1996, sponsored by the National Digital Library Federation, LC's National Digital Library Program, and the Corporation for National Research Initiatives. Chaired by Sarah Thomas, then acting director for public service collections at LC and now University Librarian at Cornell, the conference featured speakers Deanna Marcum, Stu Weibel, Erik Jul, Jennifer Younger, Dr. Thomas, Rebecca Guenther, Barbara Tillett, and Helena Zinkham. Topics included the work of the NDLF, the ALCTS Task Force on Meta Access, and the IFLA Study Group on Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records; recent metadata meetings, including Dublin and Warwick; MARC and the digital world; and the Encoded Archival Description. A preconference the day before focused on digital object naming conventions used by LC's National Digital Library Program. Full conference proceedings are now available on LC MARVEL and via the Library of Congress Cataloging Directorate WWW Home Page. The URL is: gopher://marvel.loc.gov/00/loc/conf.meet/ogdl2 From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Thu Aug 15 14:29:09 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Dynix and web isp relations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was asked by a public librarian what was the best way for them to do their web site: Dynix, their opac provider, or the local ISP. I suggested the local ISP because they will have problems and the ISP is local which means better and quicker support for web site problems. Have any folks had any experiences working with Dynix supporting their entire web site? Please email and if their is interest I will repost and probably blank out identifiers is there are problems. --Thanks, Thom From day at indiana.edu Thu Aug 15 14:31:28 1996 From: day at indiana.edu (Dorothy Day) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database (fwd) Message-ID: Just in case this hasn't made it back to web4lib, an IU SLIS MLS student did the research the USC legal department neglected... --- Dorothy Day School of Library and Information Science Indiana University day@ucs.indiana.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: agutting@indiana.edu To: slis-l@majordomo.ucs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: FOI Request for Database (fwd) I'm writing this after 30 minutes of online research. (I would have taken longer, but I had to go to work). The search: It took me about 5 minutes to find links to the critical site and another 20 to read the FOIA (dense, yes, but short) and the Federal FOIA guidelines and, then, to skim a few examples from case law. [My source site: note bene: don't add any final "l" to "htm"] The Primary Question: Why doesn't he embrace FOIA Exemption 6? According to this exemption no agency is required to give out personal information on any individuals other than the petitioner. There is case law to support this (see web site above). I've learned, furthermore, that a petitioner may request an exemption to Exemption 6 only when the issue involves "the greater good" of society. A commercial company's desire to collect a mailing list falls clearly out of that category. At least it could be strongly argued in that direction. In order to claim Exemption 6 MidNet needs to assert that releasing the database is contrary to the wishes and best interests of the user/members involved. Considering that the petitioner is a commercial entity, a refusal should be easy to support. Mr. Penn may also find that SC law does not consider a not-for-profit's membership list as a public or government record. In addition: If the petitioner intends to send eMail solicitations, then other laws step in; to wit: US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C): "It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States to use any telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine." Under this law's definition, a computer with eMail and printer constitutes a "telephone facsimile machine." If this entire scenario isn't a hoax (i.e. either an August exercise or an urban legend), then our friend in SC has more problems than the issue at hand. It seems that the legal staff at USC doesn't have much interest in USC (U.S. Code law). It also appears that Mr. Penn doesn't have much time to spend online. Ann H.Gutting IU SLIS - MLS Indiana University, Bloomington From stew at library.umass.edu Thu Aug 15 15:07:00 1996 From: stew at library.umass.edu (Barbara Stewart) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Web document management In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps web documents will have to be divided into "monographs" and "serials" based on the frequency of change exhibited by the creators. It frequently happens that work responsibilities impede the most well-intentioned web document creator from frequent revisions of his/her pages (witness my own page, not revised since April ;-( ). Since only about 5 major revisions have been made to my page, I've kept a paper copy of each, clearly labeled with date. Perhaps a plea could be made for web authors to display prominently on their page, a version number, along with date - 1.1, 1.2, etc. A paper copy could be maintained of each version. Then, any comments could be addressed by "Which version number are you using?" This version number would then be able to be included in footnotes, bibliographies, webliographies, etc. This would be the "monographic" approach. Could a serials librarian please extrapolate a procedure for the "serials" approach? This would be something that could be used for those pages that change daily or even hourly. Barbara Stewart stew@library.umass.edu From guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu Thu Aug 15 15:04:32 1996 From: guy at dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Laura Guy) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: security Message-ID: <9608151904.AA11789@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960815/de0d952a/attachment.bat From bnicol at lib.auburn.edu Thu Aug 15 14:15:36 1996 From: bnicol at lib.auburn.edu (Beth Nicol) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux Message-ID: <9608151910.AA15465@ralph.lib.auburn.edu> I've had a WebSpirs for Linus up and running for close to a year now. We're about to upgrade to the newer version of Web Spirs - but it has been quite reliable - > David P Atkins wrote: > > > We've only just begun using the server, WebSPIRS server so we don't know > > what it'll take bo bring it down. > > WebSPIRS for Linux? Is silverplatter's port ready? Great. > > BTW. I forgot to say that there is a mailinglist dedicated > to linux in libraries. I figure it out ... > > By > Toens > Beth Nicol -Automation Manager Auburn University Libraries Phone: (334)844-1731 INTERNET: bnicol@lib.auburn.edu *------------------------------------------------------------------* Thought for the day: Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Thu Aug 15 15:20:56 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: linux In-Reply-To: <32135FA1.6BAF@mohave.lib.az.us> from "Temple Hoff" at Aug 15, 96 11:46:40 am Message-ID: Temple Hoff wrote: >> BTW. I forgot to say that there is a mailinglist dedicated >> to linux in libraries. I figure it out ... >> -- > Do tell!!! Here it is. I guess the message came from web4lib actually :-) --------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:41:25 +0100 From: Thom Hodge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Linux Library List Reply-to: thom@virginia.lib.mn.us Web4lib'rs Hope no one considers this off topic. Our library has used Linux for most of our web work. The new list grew out of a posting on PUBLIB-NET. ANNOUNCEMENT This is to announce a new library dicussion list, "linux4lib", an internet mailing list for Librarians interested in the Linux operating system. The list is intended for discussion of all aspects of using Linux in libraries. Linux is a freely distibutable UNIX clone for the 386/486/586 architecture with extensive networking capabilities. It offers libraries an alternative way to develop internet connections and services. Appropriately LINUX4LIB is a Majordomo-based list served on 486DX2-66 PC running Linux 1.3.20, from a small public library in the middle of nowhere. To subscribe to the list, send a subscribe command in the body of the message to : "majordomo@virginia.lib.mn.us", in the form : "subscribe linux4lib ". Send the command "help" to the same address to get a complete list of Majordomo commands. Postings to the list should go the the address : "linux4lib@virginia.lib.mn.us". Questions and problems should be reported to the address : "thom@virginia.lib.mn.us". Our apologies for any duplicated postings. Thom Hodge Virginia Public Library thom@virginia.lib.mn.us From crosbie at AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Thu Aug 15 16:12:19 1996 From: crosbie at AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU (Bill Crosbie) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: FOI Request for Database (fwd) Message-ID: <01I8B7AHACP200X4IH@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> While I commend the student that did the research, I take exception with one point of analysis performed: > >US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C): "It shall be unlawful for any person >within the United States to use any telephone facsimile machine, computer, >or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone >facsimile machine." Under this law's definition, a computer with eMail and >printer constitutes a "telephone facsimile machine." > This is incorrect. It is possible to set up a computer to 'fax-spam' through the use of a fax-modem. The computer can be given a range of phone numbers and then told to dial each in succession, recording which return fax acknowledgement signals. The computer would then send a fax to and number with a fax machine (aka "telephone facsimile machine.") attached. This is against the law. It does not follow, however, that it is illegal to e-mail spam. E-mail hasn't been addressed on this point yet. (although I really wish that it would be... check out the end of sig to see if you can guess what I've been receiving all summer....) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Always dream and shoot higher | Bill Crosbie than you know you can do. | Microcomputer Analyst Don't bother just to be better than | Chang Science Library your contemporaries or predecessors. | Rutgers University Try to be better than yourself. | New Brunswick, NJ USA | crosbie@aesop.rutgers.edu ~~William Faulkner~~ | 908-932-0305 x114 By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the sender agrees to pay a $100 flat fee to the recipient for proofreading services. From jury at plains.nodak.edu Thu Aug 15 16:55:32 1996 From: jury at plains.nodak.edu (Russ Jury) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <9608151910.AA15465@ralph.lib.auburn.edu> Message-ID: In reguards to the question of who was running Linux in a library setting... We have been running Linux on a 486/66 with 16Mb for a little over a year as our primary web server (running NCSA's httpd which itself has had some security flaws over its developement). I also run Windows 95, Windows NT 3.51, and SCO UNIX 5.02. Linux is extremely flexible, and installs _easier_ by far than any other UNIX system - which if you install a few, like I have, you will easily see. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Russ Jury Information Technology North Dakota State University Library (701) 231-7288 jury@plains.nodak.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Thu Aug 15 17:43:39 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: linux In-Reply-To: Temple Hoff "RE: linux" (Aug 15, 10:53) References: <32134F47.2C82@mohave.lib.az.us> Message-ID: <9608151443.ZM10819@gaia.ckm.ucsf.edu> My project for 1996 is to secure 5% of the Internet traffic against passive wiretapping. If we get 5% this year, we can secure 20% next year, against both active and passive attacks; and 80% in 1998. Soon the whole Internet will be private and secure. Want to help? The idea is to deploy boxes that will sit between your local area network and the Internet (near your firewall or router) which opportunistically encrypt your Internet packets. Whenever you talk to a machine (like a Web site) that doesn't support encryption, your traffic goes out "in the clear" as usual. Whenever you connect to a machine that does support this kind of encryption, this box automatically encrypts all your packets, and decrypts the ones that come in. In effect, each packet gets put into an "envelope" on one side of the net, and removed from the envelope when it reaches its destination. This works for all kinds of Internet traffic, including Web access, Telnet, FTP, IRC, Usenet, etc. The US government would like to control the deployment of IP Security with the crypto export laws. This isn't a problem for my effort, because the cryptographic work is happening outside the United States. A foreign philanthropist has donated the resources required to add these protocols to the Linux operating system. Linux is a complete, freely available operating system for IBM PC's and several kinds of workstation, which is compatible with Unix. It was written by Linus Torvalds, and is still maintained from Finland, by a talented team of expert programmers working all over the world and coordinating over the Internet. Linux is distributed under the GNU Public License, which gives everyone the right to copy it, improve it, give it to their friends, sell it commercially, or do just about anything else with it, without paying anyone for the privilege. -- From mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu Thu Aug 15 18:41:02 1996 From: mjc at simon.stmarys-ca.edu (Martin Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've been running a Web server on Linux for two years. I like the idea of running Linux with X as public station clients in place of Windows 3.x - for a graphical browser, etc. We started with Linux 0.96 and at that time I would not have done it without the help of an interested computer science professor / Unix guru. Now I think that Linux expertise is at least as available as any other Unix-on-Intel expertise. Maybe more so in the library community, as it's possible to set up a Linux box and experiment oneself at very low cost. Linux itself has matured and proven its reliability. And as Linux is less demanding of hardware (memory, disk) than other versions of Unix (including NT), it's much more feasible than they would be, given our budget. I agree with Toens. Martin J. Cohen mcohen@stmarys-ca.edu Media Services and Library Systems voice: (510) 631-4229 Saint Mary's College of California fax: (510) 376-6097 Moraga, CA 94575 ars longa vita brevis From bookworm at lightspeed.net Thu Aug 15 20:45:34 1996 From: bookworm at lightspeed.net (Robert Laramee) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: please tell me how to get off list References: <960813121256_383658469@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3213C4AD.7762@lightspeed.net> I too need to cancel but do not know how. Help, please. Bob Laramee From leita at netcom.com Thu Aug 15 20:50:19 1996 From: leita at netcom.com (Carole Leita) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:50 2005 Subject: Article on Libraries, the Public, and the Internet Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960816005019.00882368@netcom19.netcom.com> Cross-posted to ip-pub, publib, web4lib Lawrence Magid - computer columnist known to many of you from his excellent "Child Safety on the Information Highway" brochure distributed by many libraries and linked to by many others, at: http://www.4j.lane.edu/InternetResources/Safety/Safety.html has written a really nice article about Internet access in libraries and the importance of their providing that access. It was published in Computer Currents' August 13 issue and is online at: http://www.currents.net/uout/ Since we're facing a bond measure, the last line was especially timely. Carole _________________________________ Carole Leita, leita@netcom.com, Internet/Reference Librarian Berkeley Public Library, http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/bpl/ 2090 Kittredge St., Berkeley, CA 94704 Voice: 510-644-6100 x313, Fax: 510-644-1145 From mhuber1 at umbc.edu Sat Aug 17 09:16:55 1996 From: mhuber1 at umbc.edu (Michael Huber) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:51 2005 Subject: [restrictions] settings In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960816145328.006c7374@netcom.com> Message-ID: > There is a bug in Program Manager with the EditLevel setting that allows > creation of New icons even if disabled on the File Menu. Therefore, I > suggest using NoFileMenu instead of EditLevel. Thanks for the info. Does setting the EditLevel seem to do anything if NoFileMenu is set? We have several computers for Web access running Netscape under Windows 3.1. I would like to keep users from sending e-mail and reading news in Netscape. Since Netscape does not write to the ini file (which is set to be read-only) until it exits any user can come along set things up and read news/mail. Has anyone found a way to prevent this, short of having access to the smtp and news servers blocked from that machine? Mike Huber Computer Support Albin O. Kuhn Library Univ of MD Baltimore County --------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The thoughts and ideas expressed above are mine and mine alone. | | Michael Huber mhuber1@umbc.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Sat Aug 17 10:00:39 1996 From: bueker at bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Toens Bueker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:51 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <9608161918.AA26133@library.berkeley.edu> from "Edward Wigg" at Aug 16, 96 02:07:04 pm Message-ID: Edward Wigg wrote: > If you have multiple public workstations with the same hardware > though, you only have to do the set up once and then you can > clone it easily enough. There is a software-package called 'iX-Terminal' (because one of the members of the german iX-magazine assembled it). With that you get all you need for a nice X-terminal including local floppy-drives and sound. > Printing works nicely enough from Linux/Netscape, especially to a networked > postscript printer with a suitable print server, but we, like many/most > people are moving in the direction of charging for printing. Whether or not > there is a simple way to integrate unix style printing into most vendacard > printing systems is open to question. Actually, I don't know how that works anyway :-) How do you pay your copies? What happens if there are still jobs in the queue from another user? > Linux will mount DOS floppies, and though there are scripts that will allow > non-privileged users to mount/dismount a floppy, I see no easy way to > explain people used to DOS that you cannot just insert/remove a disk without > mounting/dismounting it as well. Maybe there is some clever work around for > this that I have not discovered [...] Hmm. Have you heard of the 'mtools'? Just insert your dos-formatted floppy and type 'mdir' or 'mcopy' or 'mformat' etc. No mounting or unmounting. 'mformat' is by the way the fastest way to dos-format a floppy (ca. 2 sec.). For operating files and floppies you would shurely have to install and configure some kind of filemanager. E. g. xfm which lets the user drag and drop for printing and copying. By T"ons From wake at wln.com Sat Aug 17 14:15:40 1996 From: wake at wln.com (wake@wln.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:51 2005 Subject: Webmaster, NIST Virtual Library - Gaithersburg, MD Message-ID: <9607178403.AA840302522@smtplink.wln.com> forwarded from SLAJOB listserv. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Webmaster, NIST Virtual Library - Gaithersburg, MD Author: Pamela Mason at aix Date: 8/15/96 7:13 AM The following is reproduced verbatim from the vacancy announcement. Please note that although this is a federal job, you do not need to be a current federal employee to apply. The position is in the NIST Office of Information Services (the Library), under the Electronic Information Program. Pamela Mason, Chief Electronic Information Program NIST, Office of Information Services (301) 975-4465 Fax: (301) 869-8071 -------------------------------------------- U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: NIST-96-1487/JC ISSUE DATE: 07/26/96 CLOSING DATE: 08/23/96 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT National Institute of Standards and Technology Computer Specialist (System Analysis) ZP-334-III ($37,094-$58,702) (Equiv. GS- 11-12) KNOWN PROMOTION POTENTIAL: NONE (Pay may increase to top of pay band through performance.) Technology Services, Office of Information Services (250.00), Gaithersburg, MD 20899 Permanent/Full Time WHO MAY APPLY: All qualified applicants, including status applicants, DOC employees eligible for Career Transition Assistance Plan (CTAP), applicants eligible for Interagency Career Transition Assistance Plan (ICTAP), and applicants eligible under special appointing authorities. Status applicants who wish to be considered under both Merit Assignment Plan (MAP) and open competitive procedures must submit two (2) complete applications. When only one (1) application is received from a status applicant, it will be considered under MAP only. DUTIES: The incumbent serves as Webmaster for the NIST Virtual Library, an interactive service provided by the Office of Information Services to bring the world of scientific and technical information to the NIST researcher's desktop over a TCP/IP backbone. Besides access to the online catalog and online search and full-text delivery services, the Web site handles online subscriptions restricted to NIST users and access to subscription-based databases and CD-ROMs. Electronic publications generated at NIST are scheduled to become part of a growing corpus of electronic text services to be supported by the NIST Virtual Library. In addition, the incumbent serves as library systems administrator for the SIRSI UNICORN integrated library system which runs on a UNIX A/IX platform, currently through a text-based interface, with a web-based system interface planned for implementation. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS REQUIREMENTS: Applicants must possess at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to at least the GS-9 level that equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform successfully the duties of the position, and that is typically in or related to the work of the position, OR Ph.D. or equivalent doctoral degree or 3 full years of progressively higher level graduate education leading to such a degree, AND meet the Selective Factors below. BASIS OF RATING: Applicants who meet the minimum qualification requirements and selective factor(s) will be further evaluated based on the quality ranking factors listed below. Applicants are strongly encouraged to address each of the factors on a separate sheet describing specifically and accurately what experience, training, education, and/or awards you have received that are relevant to each factor. Be sure to include your name, social security number, and the announcement number at the top of each additional page. Failure to address the selective and/or quality ranking factors may result in your not receiving credit for all of your pertinent experience, education, training and/or awards. SELECTIVE FACTOR(S): (Determines your basic eligibility for the position) 1. Ability, as demonstrated by experience, in organizing and providing access to networked electronic information resources including Internet virtual libraries and online information systems. 2. Ability, as demonstrated by experience, in using integrated library systems and providing access to them using Web Server systems. QUALITY RANKING FACTOR(S) (QRF): (Determines your ranking in comparison with other applicants. CTAP & ICTAP applicants who score 90 or above according to the following Quality Ranking Factors will be well-qualified and receive priority consideration.) 1. Ability, as demonstrated by experience, in developing and maintaining an Internet Web site to access local and remote databases and information systems. 2. Ability, as demonstrated by experience, in maintaining an integrated library system. OTHER: Applicants who are qualifying based on allowable substitution of education for experience must submit copies of college transcripts or a copy of their degree. Payment of Travel and Transportation and/or Relocation Expenses is not authorized. WHERE TO APPLY: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Office of Human Resources Management, Administration Building, Room A-123, Gaithersburg, MD 20899 FOR INFORMATION ON OTHER VACANCIES OR FOR INFORMATION ON THE STATUS OF THIS VACANCY, CALL (301) 926-4851. TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEVICE FOR THE DEAF (TDD): DIAL (301)-975-3007 OR CONTACT MARYLAND RELAY SERVICE AT 1-800-735-2258. PLEASE READ ATTACHED SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION. IT CONTAINS IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION(Revised 03/96) ALL QUALIFIED APPLICANTS WILL BE CONSIDERED REGARDLESS OF AGE, RACE, COLOR, SEX, CREED, NATIONAL ORIGIN, LAWFUL POLITICAL AFFILIATION, NON-DISQUALIFYING DISABILITY, MARITAL STATUS, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AFFILIATION WITH AN EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATION, OR OTHER NON-MERIT FACTOR. I. HOW TO APPLY A. Submit a resume, OF-612, Optional Application for Federal Employment, or any other written format you choose (SF-171, Application for Federal Employment, is also acceptable). Regardless of which application form/format you choose, you must include the following information: 1. The announcement number, title, and grade or Pay Band of the position for which you are applying. 2. Personal Information a. Full name, mailing address (including ZIP code), home and work telephone numbers (including area codes) b. Social security number and country of citizenship c. Veterans' preference. If you wish to claim 5-point veterans preference or if you are applying under the Veterans Readjustment Appointment provisions, you must include dates of military service and a copy of each Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, DD-214. If you are claiming 10-point veterans preference, you must also include SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and the appropriate proof required by that form. d. Competitive status, if you are a current or former Federal employee. If you wish to be considered under reinstatement, you must submit a copy of your SF-50, Notification of Personnel Action, which shows your reinstatement eligibility. e. Highest Federal civilian grade held, including job series and dates held. 3. Education a. High school - name, city, state, and ZIP code (if known) and date you received diploma or GED. b. Colleges and universities - name, city, state, and ZIP code (if known), major(s), type(s) of degree(s) received and date(s) received. If you did not receive a degree, show total credits earned and indicate whether semester or quarter hours. Submit copies of undergraduate and/or graduate transcripts if the announcement specifies minimum education requirements, if you are qualifying based on allowable substitution of education for experience, or if you are qualifying based on Superior Academic Achievement (see the announcement for details). 4. Job-Related Work Experience (Paid and Nonpaid) a. Job title (include series and grade if Federal) and salary b. Duties and accomplishments c. Employer's name and address d. Supervisor's name and telephone number (indicate if we may contact your current supervisor) e. Starting and ending dates (month and year) and hours per week 5. Other Qualifications a. Job-related training courses (title and year) b. Job-related skills (i.e., other languages, computer hardware/software, tools, machinery, etc.) c. Typing and/or stenography speed d. Job-related certificates and licences (current only). Do not send copies unless required in the announcement. e. Job-related honors, awards, and special accomplishments (i.e., publications, memberships in professional or honor societies, leadership activities, public speaking, performance awards, etc.). Give dates but do NOT send documents unless requested. 6. Special Requirements for Career Transition Assistance Plan (CTAP) Applicants a. Employees wishing to apply under the DOC/CTAP for Displaced Employees must submit a copy of their RIF separation notice. b. Applicants wishing to apply under the Interagency CTAP for Displaced Employees must also submit a copy of one of the following: 1) their RIF separation notice; 2) documentation showing they were separated as a result of declining a transfer of function or directed reassignment to another commuting area; 3) official certification from an agency stating that it cannot place an individual whose injury compensation has been or is being terminated; 4) official notification from OPM that an individual's disability annuity has been or is being terminated; or 5) official notification from the DOD or National Guard Bureau that employee has retired under 5 U.S.C. 8837(h) or 8456. II. GENERAL INFORMATION A. A separate application must be submitted for each announcement. B. Applications mailed in Government postage-paid envelopes will not be accepted. C. Applications must be postmarked no later than the closing date of the announcement and received no later than 5 workdays later. D. Applicants must meet all eligibility requirements (including time-in-grade/Pay Band, if applicable) by the closing date of the announcement. E. Applicants must be citizens of the United States. F. Handicapped applicants, 30% or more disabled veterans or any other applicants eligible for non-competitive appointment under special appointing authorities not requiring competitive status must clearly specify their eligibility on their application and submit appropriate proof of special appointment authority eligibility. G. Male applicants over age 18 and born after December 31, 1959, must be registered with the Selective Service System or have an exemption. If selected, confirmation of selective service registration status is required before entering on duty. H. If a vacant position is filled at a level below the full performance level, the selectee may be promoted without further competition. This implies no promise or guarantee of a promotion. I. Privacy Act requirements (PL 93-579): The application forms prescribed are used to determine qualification for promotion, reassignment, or employment as authorized under Title 5, U.S.C., Sections 3302 and 3361. J. The Merit Assignment Plan is available for review at the NIST Office of Human Resources Management. Received: from rs6a.wln.com by smtplink.wln.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) ; Thu, 15 Aug 96 07:13:45 PST Return-Path: Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu by rs6a.wln.com (8.6.11/4.06) id HAA47766; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 07:13:28 -0700 Received: from obslave.ucs.indiana.edu (obslave.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.225]) by roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3/1.10IUPO) with ESMTP id JAA05173; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from obslave (obslave.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.225]) by obslave.ucs.indiana.edu (8.7/8.7/1.3shakespeare) with SMTP id JAA05995; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199608151414.JAA05995@obslave.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:50:14 -0500 Reply-To: Pamela Mason Sender: Special Libraries Association Employment Opportunities From: Pamela Mason Subject: Webmaster, NIST Virtual Library - Gaithersburg, MD To: Multiple recipients of list SLAJOB From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Sat Aug 17 13:27:50 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:51 2005 Subject: Any work around for this? In-Reply-To: <199608141754.NAA02919@cc10ss.unity.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Earlier I posted a request from a small library about dealing with Dynix vs local ISP. I received a couple of responses that dealing with Dynix and the net is a problem. The librarian has since sent me the note below: ****** note It seems like we don't have a choice ... I talked with the guy from _local isp provider_ (LISP) Networking. LISP can supply our Internet connection ... but Dynix has to supply the NetConnect software if we ever want to have our catalog on the web. So ... I guess we'll have to go with Dynix and hope for the best. We're still getting LISP to provide the local Internet connection. ****** I'm wondering if others have worked around this problem since I'm sure what is being called the _Netconnect software_ is just a translation program from one system to another either z39.50 or something like it. I'd also like to broaden the question and ask what have been folks' experiences with the other providers such as Innovative, Sirus, etc. I'd imagine that most opac providers realize that as the web expands the significance of the _local_ collection has to diminish which means a reduced number of opac providers with an increasing share of a declining market - not a great boat to be rowing even in good weather. So, the opac folks have to be thinking of them selves as continuing to do what they did in the past, marc/opac/authority/accounting/ordering, but expanding it to major web site management. After all, all an opac is is a specialized database. Do libraries now pay for standard opac services, a local isp for the web site, and again the opac provider for _new_ services to allow the isp folks to connect to the opac, or do the opac folks fax a sheet of specs so the library community can work with the local isp to do the translations, ... or [ hold you breath on this one folks ] do the good guys of the opac community create the translation utility and give it away free ala Netscape/Microsoft [ browsers ] in an attempt be the good guy and to hold and maybe increase market and share? [ web servers ] Stay tuned. We all know that _all_ the opac folks are reading this message and thousands of librarian/info providers. Thoughts? --Thom From jadranka at nippur.irb.hr Sun Aug 18 10:58:59 1996 From: jadranka at nippur.irb.hr (Jadranka Stojanovski) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:53 2005 Subject: electronic, digital and virtual library - is there any difference? Message-ID: <199608181458.QAA14011@nippur.irb.hr> Dear colleagues, I have read many interesting articles about introducing new technologies in the libraries, library development and significant changes in this field. But there is the lack of the consistency in the terminology used in those articles. In some papers the electronic, digital and virtual library concepts are very different, in some papers only the difference between electronic and digital (or virtual) library is emphasized, while in many papers all three terms are used as synonyms. Could you explain me the difference between electronic, digital and virtual library? Thanks in advance. If somebody find this question more appropriate for another mailing list, please suggest me which one. Jadranka Stojanovski inf. specialist and Web manager Library Rudjer Boskovic Institute Bijenicka c. 54 Zagreb, Croatia http://nippur.irb.hr From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Aug 18 13:21:29 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:53 2005 Subject: Websites for professional activity and development Message-ID: An upcoming article I'm doing is on websites about librarianship. I'm thinking particularly of key sites such as: Library Resource List http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dpi/www/lib_nii.htm The Library Web Manager's Reference Center http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Web4Lib/faq.html As well as websites for the professional associations (such as ALA). Metasites, in other words, related to librarianship, particularly anything related to professional development, but also to the practical aspects of library work. I'm interested in hearing about individual sites, as well, IF they aren't archived anywhere else. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Director, US EPA Region 2 Library * Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries Visit our library at our new URL: http://www.epa.gov/Region2/library/ These opinions strictly mine! From clibbob at novachem.com Sun Aug 18 15:08:38 1996 From: clibbob at novachem.com (Brooke Clibbon) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:53 2005 Subject: Question: Pages that don't cache Message-ID: <19083820311784@mail.novachem.com> I heard from someone that you can make Netscape NOT cache your page, using HTML tags rather than using cgi. It had something to do with FORMs and METHOD=POST, I think. I can't find any reference to it on the web or in the HTML books that I have. I believe that it is particular to Netscape, which is OK as Netscape is our corporate browser. Does anyone know what the tags are? Please reply directly to clibbob@novachem.com Thanks, Brooke -- Brooke Clibbon, NOVA Chemicals' Library - Technical Information Services (403) 250-4765 FAX (403) 291-3208 clibbob@novachem.com The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of NOVA Chemicals. From ccsjj at bath.ac.uk Mon Aug 19 05:09:07 1996 From: ccsjj at bath.ac.uk (Jacquelene Jolley) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Leaving List Message-ID: Hi there! Could somebody please tell me how I leave this list. Thanks Jaq From ccsjj at bath.ac.uk Mon Aug 19 06:39:29 1996 From: ccsjj at bath.ac.uk (Jacquelene Jolley) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: How do I leave this list? Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:17:49 -0700 From: Jacquelene Jolley To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Leaving List Hi there! Could somebody please tell me how I leave this list. Thanks Jaq From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Mon Aug 19 08:09:37 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Unsub requests posted to list Message-ID: <199608191208.IAA11303@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> There have been several postings recently along the lines of "How do I get off this list?" I suppose I sound a little uncharitable saying this, but self-sufficiency is one of the most valuable commodities on the net, and we could all stand to increase our supply of it. The command for getting of this (or almost any) list is available in many places. First, everyone who subscribed to the list got a message that pointedly said "please save this message"; the unsub command was included there. Second, postings on the list occasionally refer to a web site containing information about the list; this web site is indexed in the major web indexes and includes the unsub command. Third, the last time I checked most beginner's guides to the Internet included basic listserv/listproc commands. Many of us would also find the necessary information if we asked our co-workers in the next office. Finally, and as a last resort, you can ask the list, and receive a couple dozen responses, most of which should say: Send a message to listserv@library.berkeley.edu with no subject line and the single text line of "unsubscribe web4lib" OBWebStuff: could Netscape have possibly picked a smarmier, smugger picture of Marc Andreesen for the TechVision section of their home page? At least their main competitor knows enough to keep their geekiest looking executive's picture off the home page. :-) Thomas Dowling \ tdowling@ohiolink.edu Asst. Director, Client/Server Apps.\ 614/728-3600 x326 OhioLINK \ FAX 614/728-3610 From E7L8CYZ at TOE.TOWSON.EDU Mon Aug 19 09:38:11 1996 From: E7L8CYZ at TOE.TOWSON.EDU (Mark Cyzyk) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Netscape 2.02 Printing Problems... Message-ID: <01I8GCJ1E6N6924END@TOE.TOWSON.EDU> I am having a puzzling problem with Netscape 2.02 and am wondering whether anyone else has had a similar problem: Sometimes my webstations (IBM PS/Valuepoint 433SX/Si 8 megs RAM) will print from within 2.02, sometimes they won't. When they won't, if I reboot, sometimes they will print (sometime they won't). This weekend I disabled all security on one of these machines and even downloaded and installed a fresh copy of 2.02, to no avail. I do not have this problem anywhere else in the library and am now wondering whether the problem could simply be lack of RAM. (Elsewhere, 2.02 is running with at least 16 megs.) Suggestions appreciated, Mark Cyzyk Towson State University From drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu Mon Aug 19 09:36:50 1996 From: drewwe at snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (Wilfred [Bill] Drew) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: FirstSearch script security References: <199608132300.TAA06910@mail.ee.net> Message-ID: <32186DF2.5E4B@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> S. M. S. wrote: > > A short time ago someone offered a script for accessing FirstSearch without > having to use a CGI script. The writer said that the problem was the file > needed to be placed where access to it was secure. I am the person who wrote the document. IT IS NOT A SCRIPT!!!! The URL for the information is: gopher://slscva.ca.sunycentral.edu: 70/00gopher_root:[000000._LAIP_INFO._LAIP_DOCS._MEM_CONTRIBS]bill.txt > > I need to get in contact with this person, or someone who can answer the two > following questions: > > 1. Where do you put the file that it may be "secure" if it is on a PC? It doesn't go on a PC it goes on a World Wide Web Server. > > 2. How can the script be made "secure" at all since it seems to allow > access from Netscape by using "document source." It is made secure in the sense that it must be in a location on your server only accessable to your users and not the general internet public. > > Any answer to this would be much appreciated. > -- Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill") Serials/Reference/Systems Librarian SUNY College of Ag. & Tech.; P.O. Box 902; Morrisville, NY 13408-0902 Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060 Fax: (315)684-6115 Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/ Not Just Cows Homepage: http://www.snymor.edu/~drewwe/njc/ LibraryLinks: http://www.snymor.edu/pages/library/ -- From kambitsch at dayton.lib.oh.us Mon Aug 19 17:45:31 1996 From: kambitsch at dayton.lib.oh.us (Timothy Kambitsch) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Wyse WinTerm (very thin Windows client) Message-ID: <3218E07B.1D0D@dayton.lib.oh.us> I've been reading about Wyse's WinTerm terminals that could offer a much less expensive way to offer large numbers of Windows tubes at a minimal cost. If you are not familiar with this approach, apparently a Windows NT Server is used to actually does the work of these terminals and all screen paints are passed out to these dialup or Ethernet connected machines. The client machines have little more than a screen, a keyboard and a mouse. Users inputsuch as mouse clicks and keyboard entries are passed back to the server which does all the work for the end user. Wyse hypes this as less expensive, more secure and easier to manage than individual workstations. Has anyone experimented with this technology? From anderson at rain.kcls.lib.wa.us Mon Aug 19 17:10:06 1996 From: anderson at rain.kcls.lib.wa.us (Charles Anderson) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Wyse WinTerm (very thin Windows client) In-Reply-To: <3218E07B.1D0D@dayton.lib.oh.us> Message-ID: I saw a demo at the Microsoft Windows 95 launch and was quite impressed - but then demos generally (unless I'm doing them) do work as hyped! Charles Anderson On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Timothy Kambitsch wrote: > I've been reading about Wyse's WinTerm terminals that could offer > a much less expensive way to offer large numbers of Windows tubes > at a minimal cost. > > If you are not familiar with this approach, apparently a Windows NT > Server is used to actually does the work of these terminals and all > screen paints are passed out to these dialup or Ethernet connected > machines. The client machines have little more than a screen, a > keyboard and a mouse. Users inputsuch as mouse clicks and keyboard > entries are passed back to the server which does all the work for > the end user. > > Wyse hypes this as less expensive, more secure and easier to manage > than individual workstations. > > Has anyone experimented with this technology? > From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Mon Aug 19 18:23:42 1996 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Pay for pages? Message-ID: <960819182342.2022486d@main.morris.org> **this is NOT about running a site SERVER** Karen Commings posting got me to thinking: did librarians ask for more pay when catalog cards went from by hand to typewritten, from typewriter to word processor? do we ask for more pay when we do a bibliography, newsletter, BI class, story hour? isn't creating web pages part of our job, responsibility, profession? Isadore Gilbert Mudge and the ALA both said/say we will prepare ("package" is the 90s term) information for our patrons, make it accessible. (Why) should? creating web pages mean a pay increment? From wilcox at lis.unt.edu Mon Aug 19 19:20:40 1996 From: wilcox at lis.unt.edu (wilcox@lis.unt.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:54 2005 Subject: Wyse WinTerm (very thin Windows client) Message-ID: <7FB57740A3@lis.unt.edu> > I've been reading about Wyse's WinTerm terminals that could offer > a much less expensive way to offer large numbers of Windows tubes > at a minimal cost. > > If you are not familiar with this approach, apparently a Windows NT > Server is used to actually does the work of these terminals and all > screen paints are passed out to these dialup or Ethernet connected > machines. The client machines have little more than a screen, a > keyboard and a mouse. Users inputsuch as mouse clicks and keyboard > entries are passed back to the server which does all the work for > the end user. > > Wyse hypes this as less expensive, more secure and easier to manage > than individual workstations. > > Has anyone experimented with this technology? This is just retooling the old dumb terminal technology only now it would be much slower and akward because of Windows (and GUI interfaces in general). Networking can improve the power of computing but not at the expense of power in the machines. If any of you have ever used a VTLS system you know what I mean. It would save $$ on cost of terminals at first, but the costs of servers would probably increase to make up the profit margins. I still think you're better off with networked Pentiums and keep servers for running applications and e-mail, but keep the OS routines on each PC. Mark wilcox01@airmail.net http://www.unt.edu/~mew0002/ Member of HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org/ The Sheriff in Night of the Living Dead From cpriest at JUNO.COM Wed Aug 21 05:49:36 1996 From: cpriest at JUNO.COM (Curtiss Priest) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Universal Service Seminar Information Message-ID: <01I8ISY4GE7C8WVZ1M@Opus1.COM> Apologies if this is a cross post. Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Maak To: education-organizations@info-ren.pitt.edu Subject: Universal Service Seminar Information Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Folks, This is a terrific opportunity for your members to have additional input regarding Universal Service and how it relates to education and libraries. We want to encourage practitioners with hands on experience using network resources to participate in the seminar. Their perspective is essential! Please share this information through your Web, mailing lists, newsletters or personal contacts. We want to reach as many people as possible. Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Thanks very much, Laurie Maak ======================================================================= $1 Billion For Schools at Stake In On-line Seminar Invest your time... Invest in education... Through your participation schools and libraries stand to gain $1 billion annually from a Universal Service fund established by the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Join the Information Renaissance in an on-line seminar on the provisions of the Telecommunications Act which deal with Universal Service for schools and libraries. Participants will include teachers, librarians, school administrators, Federal Communications Commission staff and people from the business community. FCC staff is working to meet a November deadline for implementation of the Telecom Act 0f 1996. Results of the seminar discussion will be sent to the FCC for use in their decision about how students can best be served by the new Telecommunications Act. Dates of the seminar: August 26 - September 27, 1996 Online Registration begins August 19. Topics % Universal Service provisions of the Telecommunications Act. % How the Act can help schools and libraries. % How schools and libraries are using network technology. % FCC procedures for public involvement Goals % Seminar participants learn about FCC procedures. % Educators tell the FCC staff what technology is needed in local schools and libraries. % Students get tools and training for jobs of the future. What's at stake? % Possible subsidies of $1 billion annually. % Connection of all of the nation's classrooms and libraries to the Internet. % Implementation of the Telecommunications Act so that it meets the needs of schools and libraries. % Accelerated introduction of new telecommunications services and lower prices to consumers. % Your comments can influence how the rules are written and the extent to which schools and library will benefit. The Rule Making Process The Universal Service provisions establish new funding for schools, libraries and rural health care providers. The FCC has issued a public "Notice of Proposed Rule Making" on Universal Service. This provides an opportunity for public comment before a Federal/State Joint Board which is charged with making recommendations to the FCC on how to implement the Universal Service provisions of the Telecommunications Act. FCC staff are presently working with public comments presented to the Commission and using these comments to help construct the new rules. Initial funding for the on-line seminar is being provided by the BellSouth Foundation with additional support from The Heinz Endowments. Additional funding will be sought from other telecommunications providers so that the seminar can serve teachers, librarians and other interested people from regions across the United States. For more information visit the Information Renaissance web site http://info-ren.pitt.edu Or, send electronic mail to: info@info-ren.pitt.edu You can help us spread the word % Link the Information Renaissance site to your web site % Include information about the seminar in newsletters to your constituents. 8/8 --------- End forwarded message ---------- From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Wed Aug 21 08:30:30 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Specs for search engines? Message-ID: If you were going to purchase a search engine for your rapidly-growing library website, with an eye to delivering a large number of electronic documents and other resources to a heterogenous community, what would you look for? Or, put another way--am I on the right track here? * It should support structured and unstructured searches * It should have highly configurable output * It should kick butt. ;-) Karen G. Schneider/US EPA Region 2 Library schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov opinions mine alone From librlc at emory.edu Wed Aug 21 08:57:47 1996 From: librlc at emory.edu (Bob Craigmile) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Auto shutdown Win95 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960821125747.00887468@pop3.service.emory.edu> Those of you running Win95 in public areas may have already solved this, but I thought I'd share my experience with the others. We power off our building at night, including the public computers. Win95 doesn't like this arrangement much. The solution of the moment is a shareware program called Shutdown, known as sdown15X.zip on various ftp sites (I found 152 and 156, though there may be others). It lets you specify a certain time for the shutdown process to occur. I gave it a five minute lead time vs. the power off just to be safe. Shutdown is available at Simtel, and probably any other good shareware archive. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bob Craigmile, Reference Librarian Pitts Theology Library, Emory University librlc@emory.edu | http://www.pitts.emory.edu/bob/bob.html 404.727.1221 (w) 404.378.6388 (h) From rharrington at jjhill.org Wed Aug 21 08:46:23 1996 From: rharrington at jjhill.org (Rich Harrington) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: What is it? Message-ID: 12595416302049@jjhill.org >On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:37:56 -0700 Bill Frost wrote: >I made a copy of my Web library orientation and am running it with >Netscape 2.02 as a stand-alone program at one station dedicated for this >purpose (it used to run a HyperCard orientation). Although it looks >"Internet" because its HTML, its not even an Intranet -- its not networked >to anything. So, good people, what do I call it? Do any of you have >similar setups? > >The Internet version is at >http://www.bloomu.edu/library/pages/AndrussOrientation/index.html Here's hoping this isn't too flip, but after watching last week's episode of News Radio, I suggest "Internot". Rich ---------- Rich Harrington Electronic Services Department James J. Hill Reference Library, St. Paul, MN USA rharrington@jjhill.org From smcgarry at Onramp.NET Wed Aug 21 09:07:09 1996 From: smcgarry at Onramp.NET (Steve J McGarry) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: fwd-Project Argonaut Message-ID: <01I8IZU3U9W28WVZ1M@Opus1.COM> FYI--E. Roche ace@opus1.com ----fwd original message----- We have now posted details (schedules, meeting dates, forms, etc.) for Project Argonaut (http://rampages.onramp.net/~smcgarry/argonaut/argo.htm). The Project seeks to create a coalition of governments, law schools, bar associations, law schools and firms, attorneys, librarians, and publishers to create a uniform legal database. The result will be almost completely automated legal research. A database would permit searches across jurisdictions and free notifications of changes. Searches and notifications would include links to secondary sources (which discuss the case(s), laws or the topics). If you did not already have them in your library you would be able to purchase a specific chapter(s) or the entire publication on-line. By having government work with the private sector, the public gains free access to primary law and secondary works. If you are interested in the Project, please contact me directly. Regards, Steve McGarry P.S. As part of the project, we have done the most extensive inventory of existing primary law on the Internet (i.e free) by state and added substantial substantive information (legislative dates, e-mail addresses, etc.). If you notice anything we have inadvertantly missed or you would like to see in future updates, please let us know. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------- List owners: Lewis Rose, lewrose@arentfox.com Message Archives: http://ftplaw.wuacc.edu/listproc Washburn's WashLawWEB, a comprehensive legal research site: http://lawlib.wuacc.edu/washlaw/washlaw.html From Zeeman.Deane at fin.gc.ca Wed Aug 21 09:09:51 1996 From: Zeeman.Deane at fin.gc.ca (Zeeman, Deane) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: What is it? Message-ID: <96Aug21.091332edt.35722@sonic.fin.gc.ca> Here at the Library of the Department of Finance / Treasury Board Secretariat Canada we have mounted html'ed versions of the text of seminars on Internet-related topics on an internal web server. We refer to them as "electronic hand-outs", advertise the URL at the sessions and e-mail all participants with the information as a follow-up afterwards. Deane Zeeman Internet Services Co-ordinator zeeman.deane@fin.gc.ca ---------- From: fros To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: What is it? Date: Tuesday, August 20, 1996 4:36PM I made a copy of my Web library orientation and am running it with Netscape 2.02 as a stand-alone program at one station dedicated for this purpose (it used to run a HyperCard orientation). Although it looks "Internet" because its HTML, its not even an Intranet -- its not networked to anything. So, good people, what do I call it? Do any of you have similar setups? The Internet version is at http://www.bloomu.edu/library/pages/AndrussOrientation/index.html Bill Frost Harvey A. Andruss Library Reference Librarian Bloomsburg University 717-389-4126 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 fros@bloomu.edu Fax 717-389-3895 http://acwww.bloomu.edu/~fros/ From lawlib at hulaw1.harvard.edu Tue Aug 20 10:07:48 1996 From: lawlib at hulaw1.harvard.edu (lawlib@hulaw1.harvard.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: *Announcement* : A Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet Message-ID: <3.0b11.16.19960820100746.50c72c74@hulaw1.harvard.edu> To web4lib: On July 19, 1996 the Harvard Law Library brought up a comprehensive guide to hate groups entitled, "A Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet - http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/hate.html This guides links to the home pages of groups who use the net to spread hate propaganda, their listservs and usenet groups and links to those who monitor these organizations Also included on our page is a bibliography of related articles You may wish to link this into your own page. If you do please let us know by email. If you have any questions feel free to email us at your convenience. The Editors "A Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet" Harvard Law School Library From lwilliam at nslsilus.org Wed Aug 21 11:20:32 1996 From: lwilliam at nslsilus.org (Lesley Williams) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Chicago area Position Announcement Message-ID: POSITION AVAILABLE: ELECTRONIC RESOURCES SPECIALIST ARLINGTON HEIGHTS MEMORIAL LIBRARY Plans and coordinates the selection and evaluation of electronic and online resources. Coordinates the training of staff and public in the use of electronic resources. Responsible for providing in-person and telephone reference service to patrons. Provides direct patron service in the Online Room. Performs collection management responsibilities. Participates in the development and implementation of community information networks. Uses the library network and the Internet to complete work responsibilities. In charge of Department in the absence of Department Manager . Requirements: MLS/ALA-accredited library school; A minimum of five years previous library experience with increasing responsibilities in reference, electronic resources, including the Internet, and collection management required. Must be knowledgeable in the application of technology to reference services. Skill in word processing, spreadsheet, and database management software programs required. The salary range for this position is $37,106-$50,092 annually. Position requires working at least 1 Saturday and 1 Sunday a month and 1 evening per week. Apply in writing to Ron Conner, Manager, Information Services, Arlington Heights Memorial Library, 500 N. Dunton, Arlington Heights, IL, 60004, by 9/16/96. From WALKEB05 at STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US Wed Aug 21 12:02:42 1996 From: WALKEB05 at STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US (Bill Walker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Animated gifs and Netscape Message-ID: <960821090242.61bc@STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US> Hello. Has anyone encountered this problem? We recently put an animated gif on our library home page (not quite up on the WWW yet) and it seems to display fine. The animation happens as expected on most PCs, but the problem is...on some of the computers (not all) because this is a loop animation, Netscape never seems to quit loading. The little red stop button on the top line flashes on and off, etc. Because of this condition, if you type in an address up in the address box, Netscape sometimes crashes. Any ideas why this problem occurs? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Bill Walker Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library From DOYLEM at ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU Wed Aug 21 13:10:51 1996 From: DOYLEM at ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU (MARY A. DOYLE, SYSTEMS LIBRARIAN, ECSU) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Pay for pages? - Reply Message-ID: <960821131051.20201c05@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU> At 05:39 AM 8/20/96 -0700, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: >I'm glad Sara Weissman brought this up. "isn't creating web >pages part of our job, responsibility, profession?" You go girl! Creating resources to aid our users in locating information has always been a part of our profession. The format changes, but the responsibility remains the same. >Let's keep basic skills BASIC and make them REQUIRED and >put them in our RFPs and our JOB DESCRIPTIONS and use >them to evaluate LIBRARY DEGREE PROGRAMS. And folks >who don't want to learn these skills need not apply to our >profession. I keep smiling and thinking back to the first CD-ROMs introduced to the libraries. Hey, we managed PAC systems, CD-ROMs, LANs, and Dialog. Toss another infosystem into the pack and let me at it! >Karen G. "great coffee this morning!" Schneider Margaret "Yeah, Football is Back!" Riley go ahead, *ask* my opinion. :-) Information IS OUR BUSINESS. A question for the discussion.... What will come after the WWW? Mary A. Doyle From jtaylor at spl.lib.wa.us Wed Aug 21 13:21:56 1996 From: jtaylor at spl.lib.wa.us (Jim Taylor) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Seattle job Message-ID: Seattle Public Library Employment Opportunity Posting Number: 96-03 Classification Title: NETWORK SUPPORT MANAGER Department: Automated Services, Central Library, downtown Seattle Pay Range: $18.84 - $22.90 hr. (approx. $39,338 - $47,815 annually) Hours: Full-time, 40-hour work week. Variable schedule or additional hours may be required, including evenings and weekends, as necessary, to serve Library needs. Application Period: Opens August 5, 1996. Position will remain open until filled; however, screening of applications will begin immediately, so apply NOW. To Apply: You may request an application through Internet e-mail address: persnel@spl.lib.wa.us OR by calling the Human Resources Department: (206) 386-4121 The Seattle Public Library is one of the most dynamic public libraries in the nation; it is a learning organization that is open, collegial and risk-taking. SPL is in the midst of many profound changes involving new information technologies and programs which will better serve our patrons. Over five million books and materials are circulated annually through our Central Library, 23 neighborhood branch locations, Mobile Services and the Washington Talking Book and Braille Library. Our staff and public service teams are composed of highly qualified and motivated people who pride themselves on providing excellent customer service and support to all persons in Seattles diverse community. This position is responsible for the reliable design, configuration, documentation, installation, monitoring, maintenance, security, enhancement and expansion of the Librarys IP, IPX and Windows NT networks and LAN/WAN interfaces, including network operating system software, network infrastructure, and network monitoring and management software. The duties of this position include direct supervision of one or more technicians, and of several support persons and student assistants in the department. As the primary interface between network support and user support functions, this position ensures that staff works together to attach devices to the network and reconfigure the necessary network setup and management files properly. The Network Support Manager provides input and advice to the Coordinator of Automated Services on planning, budget and policy development, and ensures that changes, enhancements, problem resolution and network-related information for Library users is communicated to User Support staff and reflected in the User Support Database. Screening of applications will begin immediately, so request an application NOW! Applicants must submit ALL of the following in order to be considered: - a cover letter; - a current resume; - a fully completed Seattle Public Library employment application; and - a completed Self-Rated Skills Inventory which is also included in the application package. Request an application packet and details through our Internet e-mail address: persnel@spl.lib.wa.us OR by calling the Human Resources Department: (206) 386-4121. Seattle Public Library proudly promotes equal opportunity and diversity in its employment programs. If special accommodations are needed during the selection process, please let us know. From ajc5 at cornell.edu Wed Aug 21 12:30:14 1996 From: ajc5 at cornell.edu (Tony Cosgrave) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Announcing the availability of Digital Imaging for Libraries and Archives Message-ID: <199608211729.NAA07353@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Announcing the availability of Digital Imaging for Libraries and Archives The Department of Preservation and Conservation, Cornell University Library, is pleased to announce the publication of Digital Imaging for Libraries and Archives by Anne R. Kenney and Stephen Chapman. This 200 page guide represents a greatly expanded version of the training manual used in Cornell's series of digital imaging workshops. It begins with a theoretical overview of the key concepts, vocabulary, and challenges associated with digital conversion of paper- and film-based materials. This is followed by an overview of the hardware/software, communications, and managerial considerations associated with implementing a technical infrastructure to support a full imaging program. Additional chapters present information on the creation of databases and indexes, the implications of outsourcing imaging services, converting photographs and film intermediates, issues associated with providing long-term access to digital information, and suggestions for continuing education. The guide is issued in loose-leaf format to facilitate updates and includes two formula cards designed to assist librarians and archivists with determining conversion, storage, and access requirements. The price of the guide is $75.00 plus $5.00 for shipping and handling within North America, or $8.00 for overseas shipping. Orders must be prepaid, with checks made payable to "Department of Preservation, Cornell University," with payment in U.S. funds. For ordering information, contact Mary Arsenault, 214 John M. Olin Library, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, or mla4@cornell.edu From WALKEB05 at STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US Wed Aug 21 13:41:25 1996 From: WALKEB05 at STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US (Bill Walker) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Animated gifs and Netscape...Solution Message-ID: <960821104125.5a2a@STOCKTON.LIB.CA.US> Hello again. Thanks for the speedy replies. Several people pointed out that my difficulties getting Netscape 2.+ to load animated gifs were no longer a problem when Netscape 3.0 was installed. No need for further discussion. I appreciate the advice and expertise of this group. --Bill Walker Stockton-San Joaquin County Public Library From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Wed Aug 21 14:57:48 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: SHOE-MARC Message-ID: <9608211900.AA14013@library.berkeley.edu> SHOE-MARC In reviewing projects and research related to the 'automated categorization' of Web resources for Project Aristotle(sm) at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Aristotle.htm , I discovered SHOE, the Simple HTML Ontology Extensions. SHOE is a "proposed extension to HTML that allows World-Wide Web Authors to annotate their pages with formal knowledge-representation semantics" A Java applet, the Knowledge Annotator, has been developed to facilitate the annotation of Web pages with SHOE knowledge." For full details, see the papers and demo I'll hotlinked to from within Project Aristotle(sm). It has occurred to me that perhaps SHOE would be a mechanism by which existing Web pages could easily be 'annotated' with appropropriate HTML-MARC coding. I'd appreciate any reaction to the possibilities of a SHOE MARC and related musings. SHOE is a project of Sean Luke and friends at the University of Maryland, College Park, Computer Science department. Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ cc: Sean Luke BTW: I have added profiles of over two dozen projects, products and services to Project Aristotle(sm) over ther past two weeks. From debd at ola.bc.ca Wed Aug 21 16:00:12 1996 From: debd at ola.bc.ca (Deb deBruijn) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Access '96: Innovative Technology in Libraries conference Message-ID: <1922988.ensmtp@ola.bc.ca> A reminder to register now for: ACCESS '96: INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY IN LIBRARIES A single stream conference hosted by the British Columbia Electronic Library Network, Simon Fraser University Library, The University of British Columbia Library, and University of Victoria Library. September 30 - October 2, 1996 Vancouver, B.C. Canada Visit the conference website (http://www.ola.bc.ca/access96.htm) for more conference and local information. Conference Overview A primary goal of libraries is to develop and adopt integrating technology to provide access to a full range of services, through a common user interface. Access to local and commercial databases, electronic publications, and network-based information, user-initiated request and document delivery services, public relations, orientation and bibliographic instruction are all part of the holistic view that the World Wide Web, Z39.50 and other tools have made possible. Access '96 is designed to include major developments regarding emerging technologies with actual or potential applications to libraries. It is built around major themes now central to electronic libraries: * Emerging network access tools * User authentication and security * Electronic payment systems * Network saturation * Censorship on the net Emerging network access tools Second generation World Wide Web tools have arrived. Java programming will change the way applications are written and delivered to users. HTML continues to grow while SGML is increasingly being recongnised as the standard for electronic document publishing. Work on Z39.50 continues. Increasingly, commercial vendors are developing Web gateways and interfaces. What are the implications for libraries? What new complexities, hardware, software, and wetware will these new developments and tools demand? User Authentication and Security Interlibrary dependence and distance education are requiring libraries to offer access to electronic databases and services across multiple campus networks and institutional boundaries. User authentication is normally accomplished at the institutional level. Libraries want to provide open desktop access. Campus computer centres and Internet providers demand a high degree of security and local accountability. How will libraries reconcile these conflicting requirements? What are the tools available to address these issues? Will electronic signatures provide a solution? Electronic Payment Systems As libraries expand user-initiated requesting and document delivery services beyond CARL Uncover, secure electronic payment systems become crucial. What are the components of an effective electronic payment system, especially over open services on the Web? What options are available to libraries? Network saturation As access and delivery technologies make increasing use of bandwidth, particularly with graphic- and sound- based tools like the Web, faster and better local, provincial, national and international networks will be required. What is the status of our networks? What will the impact of new tools and development be on networks? Are networks reaching saturation? Censorship on the net Is a WEB V-chip necessary? To what extent should the carriers and network service providers be responsible for individually provided network information? ======================================================================= PRELIMINARY PROGRAM (AUGUST 15, 1996) ======================================================================= DAY 1 - MONDAY, SEPT. 30, 1996 8:00 - 9:00 am Registration 9:00 - 9:15 am Welcome, announcements, etc. 9:15 - 10:15 am SESSION 1 Keynote Speaker: Terry Noreault, Director, Research and Special Products, OCLC, Inc. 10:15 - 10:40 am BREAK 10:40 - 11:20 am SESSION 2 Z39.50 trends and developments: a vendor and library perspective Speakers: Slavko Manojlovich, Memorial University of Newfoundland; others tba 11:20 - 12:00 noon SESSION 3 Security/control: Authentication, encryption, port control Speakers: Bruce Jolliffe, Univ. of British Columbia; John Campbell, Univ. of British Columbia 12:00 - 1:30 pm LUNCH 1:30 - 2:15 pm SESSION 4 Java overview with online "how-to"demo Speakers: Bill Casselman, Univ. of British Columbia; Sun Computers rep. 2:15- 3:00 pm SESSION 5 Electronic journals on the Web Speakers: Todd Fegan, UMI; Tina Feick, Blackwell North America 3:00 - 3:30 pm BREAK 3:30 - 5:30 pm SESSION 6 Library system vendors, CEOs and developers discuss their perspectives Speakers: Steve Silberstein, Innovative Interfaces Inc.; Carl Grant, DRA; Jane Burke, Endeavour; John Kolman, Ameritech 7:30 pm - ? SESSION 7 GALA SOCIAL EVENT: The famous LC Partial Backup featuring Peter Scott, in the Mighty Niagara Pub at the lushly appointed Niagara Hotel, downtown Vancouver. P.S. Wear non-skid soles DAY 2 - TUESDAY OCT.1, 1996 8:30 - 9:00 am COFFEE 9:00 - 10:00 am SESSION 8 Network security and electronic payment systems Speakers: Peter Deutsch, Bunyip Information Systems; others tba 10:00 - 10:15 am BREAK 10:15 - 11:15 am SESSION 9 Network developments ATM, ISDN, plus associated topics such as bandwidth saturation, inadequate infrastructure, usage based charging; appropriate use, security Speakers: Mike Hrybyk, B.C. Net; Bill St. Arnaud, CANARIE 11:15 - 12:15 pm SESSION 10 Network tools: trends and developments (Willow and Isite) Speakers: Matt Freedman, Univ. of Washington; Kevin Gamiel, Center for Networked Information Discovery and Retrieval; others tba 12:15 - 1:30 pm LUNCH 1:30 - 2:30 pm SESSION 11 Trend and developments with full text Speakers: John Price-Wilkin, Humanities Text Initiative, Univ. of Michigan; Daniel Boivin, Chadwyck-Healey 2:30 - 3:15 pm SESSION 12 Governments and network based publication and distribution of information. Speakers: Tyson Macaulay, Consultant, Canadian Cybercasting Co. / Industry Canada; Michael Williamson, National Library of Canada 3:15 - 3:45 pm BREAK 3:45 - 5:00 pm SESSION 13 Library Showcase #1 Speakers: Peter Scott, Univ. of Saskatchewan; Sharon Neary, Univ. of Calgary; Corey Scholefield, Univ. of Victoria; others tba DAY 3 - WEDNESDAY, OCT.2, 1996 8:30 - 9:00 am COFFEE 9:00 - 10:30 am SESSION 14 Database system providers Speakers: Rob McKinney, SilverPlatter; OVID; Brian Cheney, Dataware, others tba 10:30 - 10:45 am BREAK 10:45 - 11:30 am SESSION 15 Library Showcase #2 Speakers: Doug Poff, University of Alberta; Dave Binkley & Kristina Long,Simon Fraser University; others tba 11:30 - 12:30 pm Session 16/17 Wrap-up Panel Moderator: Deb deBruijn, B.C. Electronic Library Network; Speakers: John Gilbert, Senate Library Committee, Univ. of B.C.; Alan MacDonald, Univ. of Calgary; Jane Beaumont, Beaumont and Associates Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION FORM Please complete and mail or fax to: Access '96 Conference Registration Electronic Library Network Open Learning Agency 4355 Mathissi Place Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada V5G 4S8 Fax: (604) 431-3381 Attendee Information: First name:___________________________________ Last name:____________________________________ Title:________________________________________ Organization:_________________________________ Street address:_______________________________ ______________________________________________ Mail stop/Room No.____________________________ City:_________________________________________ Province/State:_______________________________ Postal/Zip Code:______________________________ Phone:________________________________________ Fax:__________________________________________ Email address:________________________________ Conference fees (includes registration and social events): _____ $150 Cdn (special rate for members of BC Library Association and CLA Emerging Technologies Interest Group) _____ $200 Cdn (others) Payment Method: _____ Cheque or money order enclosed (payable to OPEN LEARNING AGENCY) _____ VISA _____ MasterCard Credit card authorization: I authorize the Open Learning Agency to charge the above conference registration fees to my credit card: Credit Card Number:___________________________ Name on Credit Card:__________________________ Expiry Date:__________________________________ Signature:____________________________________ Receipt required? _____ Yes _____ No For further information, please contact the Electronic Library Network (phone: 604-431-3020, fax: 604-431-3381, email: eln@ola.bc.ca) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Open Learning Agency 4355 Mathissi Place, Burnaby, B.C. Canada, V5G 4S8 (604) 431-3000 From 104471.1420 at compuserve.com Wed Aug 21 16:03:27 1996 From: 104471.1420 at compuserve.com (Kirk E. Nims) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Web site mapping software Message-ID: <199608211650_MC1-88E-90CF@compuserve.com> In the Spring of 1995 we discussed web site mapping and management software. Since then, are any of you using site mapping and link management software? If so, what are you recommending? I am in a Windows 3.1 and Novell Netware environment. I have become webmaster for an intranet site with over 2300 files and I have no idea what links to what and which documents are not linked to at all. We are not using an http server to run this intranet site. Any help is appreciated. Kirk E. Nims Webmaster/Librarian MichCon Detroit Michigan From vtang at sulmail.stanford.edu Wed Aug 21 20:53:11 1996 From: vtang at sulmail.stanford.edu (Vitus Tang) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: vacancy -- slavic/media cataloger - Stanford Univ. Lib. Message-ID: TWO POSITIONS AVAILABLE Slavic Language Materials Cataloger Electronic Media Cataloger STANFORD UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES STANFORD, CALIFONIA The Stanford Univeristy libraries wishes to hire 2 FTE catalogers at the Assistiant/Associate Librarian rank who will assume responsibility for widely-configured cataloging duties in a dynamic environment. The Libraries are located on the Campus of Stanford University in Stanford, California, near San Francisco. Approximately 80,000 items are acquired and processed by the Libraries each year, 12,000 of which require creation of original catalog records. The Libraries have just implemented the SIRSI Unicorn library system. Stanford is a full NACO participant, and catalogers are preparing to participate in the Program for Cooperative Cataloging's BIBCO program. The two positions will respectively emphasize Slavic language cataloging and electronic media cataloging although other cataloging duties may be involved in each. Allocation of assignments within each particular area of emphasis may change in response to changing priorities. General duties for each position are as follows: 1. The Slavic cataloger will be responsible for original cataloging, including creation of NACO authority records, for: 1) Slavic language serials, monographs, and audio-visual materials; 2) Non-Slavic language serials and monographs as assigned, such assignment being contingent upon language background and skills. Additionally, this cataloger may help train and support other staff processing Slavic language serials, monographic, computer file and audio-visual materials, act as internal and external standards liaison for Slavic language cataloging, and supervise special cataloging projects as needed. 2. The Electronic Media Cataloger will be responsible for original cataloging, including creation of NACO authority records, in English and other Western European languages for: 1. Remote and locally networked serial and monographic electronic resources (including the creation of MARC records and TEI conformant SGML headers); 2. Other computer files; 3. Audio-visual material; 4. Other serials and monographs as assigned, such assignment being contingent upon language background and skills. Additionally this cataloger may help train and suport other staff processing materials in any of the areas above, act as internal and external standards liaison for electronic media cataloging, and supervise special projects as needed. REQUIREMENTS: 1. Familiarity with current general cataloging standards, especially AACR2 rev., LCSH subject and classification practice, Library of Congress Rule Intepreptations and the USMARC formats, is desirable (demonstrated experience is required at the Associate Librarian rank). 2. Familiarity with Sirsi Unicorn or other integrated library system is desirable. 3. Good working knowledge of one European language other than English is required; preference will be given to candidates with German language fluency (except in the case of applicants for the Slavic cataloging position). 4. Subject background in a social science area is desirable. 5. Experience with cataloging in a research library environment is desirable. 6. Applicants for the Slavic position must be fluent in Russian; knowledge of at least one other Slavic language is desirable; preference will be given to candidates with a working knowledge of Polish. 7. Some familiariaty with emerging electronic materials cataloging issues and standards, especially SGML, is desirable for applicants for the electronic media cataloging position (required at the Associate Librarian level). 8. Ability to work independently in a production oriented environment is required. 9. Ability to adapt flexibly to a changing environment is required. 10. An MLS from ALA accredited Library School or equivalent in education and experience is required. Salary: The rank and salary will be determined by experience. Assisstant Librarian salary range: $34,200 - $53,500 (in hire max $43,500) Associate Librarian salary range: $37,900 - $60,000 (in hire max $48,200) Benefits: Librarians at Stanford University are Academic Staff. The University has an excellent retirement system and has a variety of group health, dental, and life incurance plans. It also provides generous vacation and sick leave. TO APPLY send application letter, resume and names of three references to: Willy Cromwell-Kessler Cataloging Services Stanford University Libraries Stanford, California 94305-6004 Indicate the position for which you wish to apply. Preference will be given to applications received by Sept. 30, 1996. Stanford is committed to the principles of diversity and encourages applications from women, members of ethnic minorities, and individuals with disabilities. From jhewlett at logos.santarosa.edu Wed Aug 21 22:00:16 1996 From: jhewlett at logos.santarosa.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: free homepage creator with free webspace In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found out about Anglefire last spring, when a young adult librarian recommended it as something her teen-age patrons particulary liked on their public-service web machine. Since then, I have been wondering if using it is such a good idea. Does anyone know who Anglefire are or why they are providing this service? My assumption is that they are collecting mailing addresses for use and sale, but I would be delighted to be proved wrong. Jean Hewlett hewlett@redwood.net --The opinions expressed here are mine, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers. They will just have to get their own.-- On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Linda Hyman wrote: > Angelfire Communications has mounted a homepage creator application AND > allows users to store their homepage on their server for free!! The > application is located at http://www.angelfire.com/freepages/create.html. > It is easy to use and you can view your product before you submit it. It > creates a very simple page; but then you can go in using your password and > edit it. I wonder how large your files can be and how long it will be > free? > > Linda Woods Hyman-Education First Initiative > Pacific Bell/San Diego State University > Dept. of Educational Technology > San Diego CA 92182 (619) 594-4414 > e-mail: lhyman@mail.sdsu.edu > http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired > > > > From andrzej at kesoftware.com Thu Aug 22 00:54:53 1996 From: andrzej at kesoftware.com (Andrzej Kowalski) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:55 2005 Subject: Specs for search engines? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960822045453.0074fe40@dingo1.kesoftware.com> At 05:42 08/21/96 -0700, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: >If you were going to purchase a search engine for your >rapidly-growing library website, with an eye to delivering a large >number of electronic documents and other resources to a >heterogenous community, what would you look for? > >Or, put another way--am I on the right track here? > >* It should support structured and unstructured searches Absolutely. This is the show stopper for many systems and the fundamental issue we have tried to address with our KE Texpress product. Generally speaking, systems that handle structured data well can't do indexed key word retrieval across large passages of unstructured text i.e. documents. Some add on text products text products are appearing for relational products, but as separate engines they don't integrate the free text well with the structured data types. Structured systems quite often require you to do slow wildcard searches to find keywords within fields less than 256 characters, unless you provide all of the leading words. Conversely, you don't use free text products to manage your catalogue. >* It should have highly configurable output Yes. It would also be advantageous if it would support insert, update and delete functions through Web forms, rather than query only, for all those Intranet sites you will build when you jump on that bandwagon. >* It should kick butt. ;-) As always. How about if it also provided enhanced auditing over and above standard Web logs e.g. number of records retrieved, accurate description of query terms and more? > >Karen G. Schneider/US EPA Region 2 Library >schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov >opinions mine alone > Andrzej Kowalski ################ Andrzej Kowalski KE Software Inc. andrzej@kesoftware.com http://www.kesoftware.com 303-601 West Broadway Vancouver, BC, Canada, V5Z 4C2 Tel: (604) 877-1960 Fax: (604) 877-1961 ############### From pnaess at usis.no Thu Aug 22 03:07:48 1996 From: pnaess at usis.no (Petter Naess) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:57 2005 Subject: Specs for search engines? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960822045453.0074fe40@dingo1.kesoftware.com> Message-ID: Reply to the message of Thursday August 22, 1996 07:00 +0200 ----------------------------------------------------------------- >At 05:42 08/21/96 -0700, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: >>If you were going to purchase a search engine for your >>rapidly-growing library website, with an eye to delivering a large >>number of electronic documents and other resources to a >>heterogenous community, what would you look for? >>Or, put another way--am I on the right track here? >>* It should support structured and unstructured searches >Absolutely. This is the show stopper for many systems and the >fundamental issue we have tried to address with our KE Texpress >product. Generally speaking, systems that handle structured data well >can't do indexed key word retrieval across large passages of >unstructured text i.e. documents. Some add on text products text >products are appearing for relational products, but as separate >engines they don't integrate the free text well with the structured >data types. Structured systems quite often require you to do slow >wildcard searches to find keywords within fields less than 256 >characters, unless you provide all of the leading words. >Conversely, you don't use free text products to manage your catalogue. >>* It should have highly configurable output >Yes. It would also be advantageous if it would support insert, update >and delete functions through Web forms, rather than query only, for >all those Intranet sites you will build when you jump on that >bandwagon. >>* It should kick butt. ;-) >As always. >How about if it also provided enhanced auditing over and above >standard Web logs e.g. number of records retrieved, accurate >description of query terms and more? >>Karen G. Schneider/US EPA Region 2 Library >>schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov >>opinions mine alone >Andrzej Kowalski >################ >Andrzej Kowalski >KE Software Inc. >andrzej@kesoftware.com >http://www.kesoftware.com >303-601 West Broadway >Vancouver, BC, Canada, V5Z 4C2 >Tel: (604) 877-1960 >Fax: (604) 877-1961 >############### Haven't looked into this myself, but I believe askSam Professional 3.0 for Windows might also do these things (ie.both structured and unstructured tasks) for you. There's a review of it in the July/August 1996 issue of Knight Ridder's Information World Review. We've used the DOS version of askSam for a number of years for a small documents database, after starting out with Dbase and the frustrating limitations Andrzej attributes to structured systems, and were very pleased with it. Regards, Petter Naess From dbecker at MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU Thu Aug 22 10:55:00 1996 From: dbecker at MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU (Becker, Deirdre) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:57 2005 Subject: Summary remote access Message-ID: <9608221401.AA23479@library.berkeley.edu> My inquiry regarding remote access to the Web (or which institutions are providing SLIP or PPP connections for home use) yielded this information: 1. Out of 12 respondents, all but one institution are charging some kind of fee, and this institution is considering revising its policy. 2. Fee structures varied greatly. Some charge an initial registration fee (anything from $10.00 to $75.00), many charge a per month or per semester fee with an allotted number of hours' free access with a charge when this is exceeded (ranging from $10.00 to $15.00 for per month subscription, or $35.00 to $20.00 per semester, and per hour charges of $.12 to $.95). Some give the service free to employees but charge students, others charge employees more than the students. One institution has put together a package of software costing $35.00 which users can set up on their own computers. Support for this kind of service is a problem. 3. Some people reported that they had made a decision not to provide remote access to their users. 4. Others have out-sourced this service to a commercial provider. For us still wrestling with this issue here are my thoughts on why we need to provide this kind of access: Here, like many other institutions, we provide database services to our users where access is controlled by IP address. Using a commercial vendor would present a problem. Also many of these databases are now coming with a Web browser interface which is very attractive to the user. Faculty who want to take advantage of Web technology to disseminate course work which may include images etc. certainly want students to be able to access this from home or anywhere else they may be. Another issue to consider is the emerging development of institutional intranets using Web technology with information essential to doing one's job. This will make remote access even more important. Many medical institutions such as ours have remote clinics and need to provide connections for these places. Students do rotations at these clinics and need full access to campus information and services. --Deirdre Becker/Head of Reference and Educational Services The University of Texas Medical Branch Library dbecker@mspo2.med.utmb.edu 409/772-1992 FAX 409/762-5824 From moseley at netcom.com Thu Aug 22 13:52:20 1996 From: moseley at netcom.com (Bill Moseley) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:57 2005 Subject: Security Web page update Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960822175220.006d4188@netcom.com> Sorry for any cross-posts you may receive. Many of you know about the Public Access/Windows/Netscape security documents located at http://lib.berkeley.edu:8000/Security/. I updated some of the links today, including a new page on setting up StopLight for Windows 95, and one on how to disable the "file:///" URL in Netscape. This is the URL that allows patrons to examine and copy file located on your hard drive. There is also a page that talks about disabling Netscape's menu items. (And a link to IKIOSK, which will also disable menu items.) I've also put up the security setup I use on a number of public access computers (Win 3.1 and Win 95). It uses batch files and the built-in security features of Windows and DOS. I don't really recommend any security program over another, but I do like Stoplight's approach. (Anybody that is used to the security in NT or Netware will like it too.) It may be a bit harder to set up than other security programs, so that's why I setup a web page for it. Its also very inexpensive. I hope you find these pages helpful. BTW - are you using your CMOS security? Bill Moseley mailto:moseley@netcom.com From AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu Thu Aug 22 15:19:41 1996 From: AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu (JOANNE AKEROYD) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:57 2005 Subject: JOB POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT Message-ID: <01I8KURMBGF0001VYE@ads.cc.trincoll.edu> NETWORK RESOURCES LIBRARIAN Trinity College Library The Network Resources Librarian is responsible for planning, coordinating, and supporting Trinity College Library's network services and resources. He/she provides overall leadership for shaping and maintaining network information services; participates in the reference and bibliographic instruction services; and carries major responsibility for identifying new network services and resources. This position reports to the Head of Reference and Instructional Services, and consults regularly with the College Librarian about planning and service issues. Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network supporting Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. Candidates should hold ALA-accredited MLS; a minimum of two years professional experience providing reference and library instruction; strong knowledge of developments and trends in networked resources and services, including full-text and image access, bibliographic, statistical, and other sources of data; knowledge of networked configurations for library and information access including LANs and WANs, client/server architecture, Internet and WWW including HTML and CGI scripting. This position is available immediately. Salary is competitive based on experience and qualifications with the range beginning at $31,000. Applications and/or requests for a complete position description should be sent to: Dr. Stephen L. Peterson College Librarian Trinity College 300 Summit Street Hartford, CT 06106 Posted by: Joanne Akeroyd Head of Technical Services Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 300 Summit Street Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) 297-2251 From AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu Thu Aug 22 17:30:37 1996 From: AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu (JOANNE AKEROYD) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:57 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT Message-ID: <01I8KZKBUEYA001MYX@ads.cc.trincoll.edu> > NETWORK RESOURCES LIBRARIAN > Trinity College Library > > The Network Resources Librarian is responsible for planning, > coordinating, and supporting Trinity College Library's network > services and resources. He/she provides overall leadership > for shaping and maintaining network information services; > participates in the reference and bibliographic instruction > services; and carries major responsibility for identifying > new network services and resources. This position reports to the > Head of Reference and Instructional Services, and consults regularly > with the College Librarian about planning and service issues. > > Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a > consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. > Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network supporting > Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. > > Candidates should hold ALA-accredited MLS; a minimum of two years > professional experience providing reference and library instruction; > strong knowledge of developments and trends in networked resources > and services, including full-text and image access, bibliographic, > statistical, and other sources of data; knowledge of networked > configurations for library and information access including LANs > and WANs, client/server architecture, Internet and WWW including > HTML and CGI scripting. > > This full-time position is available immediately. Salary range > begins at $31,000. Please submit a resume and cover letter > stating salary requirements, and the names, titles, and current > telephone numbers of three professional references to: > > Dr. Stephen L. Peterson > College Librarian > Trinity College > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 > Review of applications will begin immediately; the search will > continue until position is filled. > Trinity College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action > Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. > Applicants with disabilities should request, in advance, any > needed accommodation in order to fully participate in the > application process. > > > Posted by: > Joanne Akeroyd > Head of Technical Services Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu > Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 > 300 Summit Street > Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) 297-2251 From isn at sipo.reok.ethz.ch Fri Aug 23 03:40:00 1996 From: isn at sipo.reok.ethz.ch (ISN) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: Query: Databased Advisor, July 1996 Message-ID: <01I8M00CY5XU95P46F@wawona.ethz.ch> Hi all I am wondering if someone is able to send me a copy of an article from the July 1996 issue of the magazine "Databased Advisor". The article I am searching for is supposed to be an eight-page survey of Web-enabled databases, beginning on page 62. I got the tip from a list but am not able to find the magazine in any newstand or library in Switzerland ------------------------------------------------------- Stephan Libiszewski, MA Coordinator ISN/ Swiss OSCE Presidency Home Page Center for Security Studies and Conflict Research ETH Zuerich CH-8092 Zuerich, Switzerland e-mail: isn@sipo.reok.ethz.ch fax: +41 1 364 00 69 phone: +41 1 632 5911/ 4020 ------------------------------------------------------- INTERNATIONAL SECURITY NETWORK - ISN Your one-stop information network for Global Security! URL http://www.isn.ethz.ch ------------------------------------------------------- From SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Fri Aug 23 09:07:34 1996 From: SCHNEIDER.KAREN at EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (KAREN SCHNEIDER) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply Message-ID: I am now in the position of wondering if I should eat my own words. I read this and thought, whew, only $31k for all this skill? But maybe the LAN/WAN/client-server expertise is what gives me pause... what do others think? Karen G. Schneider/opinions mine alone/ >>> JOANNE AKEROYD 08/22/96 04:44pm >>> > NETWORK RESOURCES LIBRARIAN > Trinity College Library > > The Network Resources Librarian is responsible for planning, > coordinating, and supporting Trinity College Library's network > services and resources. He/she provides overall leadership > for shaping and maintaining network information services; > participates in the reference and bibliographic instruction > services; and carries major responsibility for identifying > new network services and resources. This position reports to the > Head of Reference and Instructional Services, and consults regularly > with the College Librarian about planning and service issues. > > Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a > consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. > Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network supporting > Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. > > Candidates should hold ALA-accredited MLS; a minimum of two years > professional experience providing reference and library instruction; > strong knowledge of developments and trends in networked resources > and services, including full-text and image access, bibliographic, > statistical, and other sources of data; knowledge of networked > configurations for library and information access including LANs > and WANs, client/server architecture, Internet and WWW including > HTML and CGI scripting. > > This full-time position is available immediately. Salary range > begins at $31,000. Please submit a resume and cover letter > stating salary requirements, and the names, titles, and current > telephone numbers of three professional references to: > > Dr. Stephen L. Peterson > College Librarian > Trinity College > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 > Review of applications will begin immediately; the search will > continue until position is filled. > Trinity College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action > Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. > Applicants with disabilities should request, in advance, any > needed accommodation in order to fully participate in the > application process. > > > Posted by: > Joanne Akeroyd > Head of Technical Services Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu > Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 > 300 Summit Street > Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) 297-2251 From powerdan at intersurf.com Fri Aug 23 09:10:54 1996 From: powerdan at intersurf.com (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: Suggested Plug-Ins/Helper Apps In-Reply-To: 15132157901895@jjhill.org Message-ID: The new issue of The Net magazine has a feature story on plug-ins called "Plug-ins: 25 you simply must have." I have no relation to this magazine but simply was cleaning my mail and thought this article fit the original request for plug-in information. Dan Kissane Assistant System Librarian McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA 70605 "opinions mine alone" From AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu Fri Aug 23 10:26:40 1996 From: AKEROYD at ads.cc.trincoll.edu (JOANNE AKEROYD) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: JOB POSTING - LIBRARY SYSTEMS - CT Message-ID: <01I8LYOJXICM001YA8@ads.cc.trincoll.edu> Systems Librarian, or Manager of Library Systems Trinity College Library The SystemsLibrarian/Manager of Library Systems is responsible for planning, implementing, and supporting the automated systems and information technology services of Trinity College Library. The position entails both leadership and service. The Librarian/Manager reports to the College Librarian, is a member of the Library's senior administrative group, and is its principal liaison with the Trinity College Computing Center and the CTW Library consortium systems administration. The Librarian/Manager serves as a resource person to all library departments and is expected to work closely with the professional staff to achieve the goals of the respective departments. Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network supporting Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. Candidates should have strong knowledge of, and a minimum of three years experience with, operating an integrated library management or other complex administrative system. Demonstrated background in MARC-based bibliographic databases desired. Working knowledge of networking, including Appletalk, TCP/IP, Windows NT; client-server architecture, Internet services, and WWW design; familiarity with several operating environments including Macintosh and DOS/Windows desktop systems; UNIX; experience with file server administration. Candidates seeking appointment as Systems Librarian will hold an ALA-accredited MLS; other candidates should have a Masters degree in a field consistent with the responsibility of the position. This full-time position is available immediately. Salary is competitive depending upon experience and qualifications: range begins at $37,400. Please submit a resume and cover letter stating salary requirements, and the names, titles, and current telephone numbers of three professional references to: Dr. Stephen Peterson, College Librarian, Trinity College, Hartford, CT 06106-3100. Review of applications will begin immediately; the search will continue until position is filled. Trinity College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. Applicants with disabilities should request, in advance, any needed accommodation in order to fully participate in the application process. Posted by: Joanne Akeroyd Head of Technical Services Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 300 Summit Street Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) 297-2251 From vaughnk1 at westatpo.westat.com Fri Aug 23 09:51:20 1996 From: vaughnk1 at westatpo.westat.com (vaughnk1@westatpo.westat.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: (REV.)POST' - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply Message-ID: <9607238408.AA840819474@westatpo.westat.com> No, it's the >"overall leadership for shaping and maintaining network information services" that bothers me. _Some_ responsibility for these areas (and a _minimum of knowledge and experience) and then the 31K is alright. Ken * Kenneth Vaughn ~~~~~~~~~~ LIBRARIAN K ~~~~~~~~~~ Tech Srvcs Libr * * Westat, Inc. 1650 Research Blvd. Rockville MD 20850 * * vaughnk1@westat.com = voice: 301-294-2881 = fax: 301-294-2034 * ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply Author: SCHNEIDER.KAREN@epamail.epa.gov at internet-e-mail Date: 8/23/96 9:30 AM I am now in the position of wondering if I should eat my own words. I read this and thought, whew, only $31k for all this skill? But maybe the LAN/WAN/client-server expertise is what gives me pause... what do others think? Karen G. Schneider/opinions mine alone/ >>> JOANNE AKEROYD 08/22/96 04:44pm >>> > NETWORK RESOURCES LIBRARIAN > Trinity College Library > > The Network Resources Librarian is responsible for planning, > coordinating, and supporting Trinity College Library's network > services and resources. He/she provides overall leadership > for shaping and maintaining network information services; > participates in the reference and bibliographic instruction > services; and carries major responsibility for identifying > new network services and resources. This position reports to the > Head of Reference and Instructional Services, and consults regularly > with the College Librarian about planning and service issues. > > Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a > consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. > Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network supporting > Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. > > Candidates should hold ALA-accredited MLS; a minimum of two years > professional experience providing reference and library instruction; > strong knowledge of developments and trends in networked resources > and services, including full-text and image access, bibliographic, > statistical, and other sources of data; knowledge of networked > configurations for library and information access including LANs > and WANs, client/server architecture, Internet and WWW including > HTML and CGI scripting. > > This full-time position is available immediately. Salary range > begins at $31,000. Please submit a resume and cover letter > stating salary requirements, and the names, titles, and current > telephone numbers of three professional references to: > > Dr. Stephen L. Peterson > College Librarian > Trinity College > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 > Review of applications will begin immediately; the search will > continue until position is filled. > Trinity College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action > Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. > Applicants with disabilities should request, in advance, any > needed accommodation in order to fully participate in the > application process. > > > Posted by: > Joanne Akeroyd > Head of Technical Services Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu > Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 > 300 Summit Street > Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) 297-2251 From marc at ckm.ucsf.edu Fri Aug 23 14:35:36 1996 From: marc at ckm.ucsf.edu (Marc Salomon) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply In-Reply-To: KAREN SCHNEIDER "(REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply" (Aug 23, 6:33) References: Message-ID: <9608231135.ZM18807@gaia.ckm.ucsf.edu> KAREN SCHNEIDER |I am now in the position of wondering if I should eat my own |words. I read this and thought, whew, only $31k for all this skill? |But maybe the LAN/WAN/client-server expertise is what gives |me pause... what do others think? When did anyone claim that the labor market was rational? -marc -- From stemor at info.SIMS.Berkeley.EDU Fri Aug 23 14:36:51 1996 From: stemor at info.SIMS.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Morris) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: Bibliographic databases on the Web & Isite, etc. Message-ID: <199608231836.LAA10163@info.sims.berkeley.edu> Web4Lib'ers, A few months ago I started trying to figure out how to put our 9,000 plus record bibliographic database on the web. The problem was that we needed fielded searching and I work for a rather small library that doesn't have a budget yet for the sort of commercial software that handles that sort of thing (KE Texpress and DbTextWorks server come to mind). For a server, I got a big break when the UC Berkeley Digital Library SunSITE agreed to let me set up shop on their server--meaning I could sidestep my original plan of setting up a Linux server. As for software, for my first pass at putting the database up I decided to use SWISH, which is full text indexer, but which I found could made to do fielded indexing by extracting the fields and indexing them separately (a time consuming process but painless if done as a scripted late night batch process). I also wanted to have a navigable thesaurus and links to author/corporate author/research sponsor indexes and home pages, as well as online versions of papers, from within citations. What I've come up with is at this stage is a sort of "scotch tape and bailing wire" solution involving a mess of Perl scripts, some odd uses of SWISH, and a heavy emphasis on batch-produced static pages to reduce search-time server load. The database (topic: Intelligent Transportation Systems) is accessible, warts and all, at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~path Now I'm trying to figure out where to take this thing next. In the short term, for this iteration of the database, in addition to working out glitches, I plan to facilitate variable display modes to make batch printing of records easier. But for the next stage I'd like to look at something z39.50-ish, but preferably using freeware (Isite maybe?), or less expensive commercial software. I've been having my e-mail filter dump ISITE-L to a folder for the last several months until I start needing to use it and have perused the Isite documentation a little bit but haven't really sunk my teeth into it yet. Anybody want to weigh in on the pro's and cons of using Isite for small/medium/widgety bibliographic databases? Thanks, Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Morris, Technical Services Librarian Harmer E. Davis Transportation Library Institute of Transportation Studies, U.C. Berkeley e-mail: smorris@library.berkeley.edu phone: (510) 642-3604 fax: (510) 642-9180 http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/ITSL/smorris.html From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 23 14:56:14 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: SHOE-MARC Message-ID: <9608231859.AA11282@library.berkeley.edu> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerry McKiernan asked me to respond in this email list to a question he posed to me privately about MARC, web pages, and SHOE (an ontological mechanism for HTML). I am not a member of this list, so please cc: me in any replies to the list. On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Gerry McKiernan wrote: > It has occurred to me that perhaps SHOE would be a mechanism by which > existing Web pages could easily be 'annotated' with appropropriate > HTML-MARC coding. > > I'd appreciate any reaction to the possibilities of a SHOE MARC > and related musings. So that anyone who reads this might know what the heck I'm even talking about :-) perhaps it's best to peruse the SHOE home page at: http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/plus/SHOE/ Sure, MARC records can be done quite nicely in SHOE. Attributes would fit nicely, etc. SHOE is semantically easily superset of anything handled in MARC and LC. If you're interested in embedding MARC or the LC subject headings etc. in a solid framework on the web, I think SHOE would be an excellent choice. The big question is whether MARC and LC (as they stand) on the web really is a good idea. I argue that it really is not. I don't know MARC very well, but to my mind there are two problems with MARC as applied to the web in particular. - MARC is an aging scheme (computer-wise) born in the age of big-iron machines, that is beginning to creak a bit as a format. MARC as a raw format simply doesn't fit well within the HTTP/HTML/MIME triumverate. - As I understand it, MARC was originally designed for books and journals, though it can handle (with more or less success) other kinds of archived objects. However, MARC's fields (and lack of specific fields) and overall design seem to me to be geared to archiving elements with certain assumptions, namely that those elements are: tangible and physical not rapidly changing (at least not faster than MARC can keep up) consistently available (at least to the archiver) existent, except after some mishap "truthful"--that is, the MARC record is *assumed* to be telling true facts about the elements in question Unfortunately, web documents, and especially HTML documents, exhibit *none* of these qualities. I am not convinced that MARC can be extended to effectively deal with the issues found on the web; archivists on the web must face a singular difference from other archivists: the archival material doesn't "physically" exist--it is in reality raw information tied to no particular tangible entity (an actual physical book, for example). It may be the case that some other mechanism might be better suited to dealing with these issues (if they really need to be dealt with at all). ...and, of course, MARC provides an enormous number of fields that are unapplicable to web pages. Do web pages need ISBN numbers? Suggested prices? etc. Though this is probably a bit of a non-issue... LC subject headings and the LC classification scheme, to my mind, suffer as well. While LC has been at least reasonably successful in handling subject classification for physical, slowly-changing (as in, not every minute :-) entities such as found in libraries, I am not convinced that it is the best option for classifying the web. I personally believe that LC is far too large and unyieldly to use in any reasonable classification on the web. SHOE attempts to provide a framework designed to fix some of the resultant problems: - Subject headings assume that documents are about *topics*. But in fact the very large majority of documents on the web are not about a particular *topic* but perport to *be* that topic. Consider an official home page for a rock band, say, Smashing Pumpkins. This page is not about rock bands, or "about" Smashing Pumpkins. Instead, the page purports to in some sense "be" the Smashing Pumpkins--"Here's our web page! You can get ahold of us here!" A more appropriate classification scheme, as I see it, would be something that web pages to declare data-entities that represent something real, not topical. For example, in SHOE a web page may create a data-entity which declares that it (the data-entity, not the web page) "is" a graduate student and a research assistant, that its "name" is "Sean Luke", etc. - LC is a single hierarchy, maintained by a single body. As a result LC is hopelessly unable to keep up with the fast-changing topics in real life. This is a common reason why many fast-changing disciplines (Computer Science, for example) have abandoned LC entirely just to get a handle on their own work. SHOE addresses this by allowing ontologies to extend one another; hence someone like the Library of Congress might dictate a common abstract, high-level ontology defining overall groups and topics, and someone like the ACM could extend those to fit its current and fast-changing needs in a narrow, specialized area. - LC is solely a categorization scheme, with no ability to define relationship attributes to those categories. Hence when LC needs to describe Apple Computer, they might have to create a special category called "Computer Company", rather than the (better and simpler) method of just calling it a "Company", and creating a "deals-in" relationship to "Computers" SHOE provides sophisticated relationships, both real and inferred, between data-entity instances, categories, raw data (numbers, strings, dates, booleans, etc.), etc. While there are a few weaknesses that I hope to address in the next incarnation of the spec, I nonetheless think this is a much stronger framework on which one might build a topical hierarchy, or even (possibly better) a relatively flat set of categories coupled with a rich set of attributes that enable entities to adequately describe themselves without set of subject headings as large as the number of entities themselves. :-) Overall, I'd say that MARC and LC fit nicely in the SHOE ontological scheme, so if you're interested in pursuing MARC records etc. on the web rather than going for an alternative mechanism, SHOE would be great. On the other hand, I really think that MARC as a standard may not be able to make the transition to electronic documents because it's getting up there in age computer-wise, and that LC, all 9 volumes of it now, has grown too large and monolithic to succeed either. We need some new, smaller, and more flexible standards than the stuff put out by the federal government. :-) _____________________________________________________________________________ Sean Luke "I've discovered that P==NP, but the proof is too U Maryland at College Park large to fit in the margins of this signature." seanl@cs.umd.edu URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~seanl/ p.s., I should mention that there are other, VERY sophisticated ontological schemes for computer data out there, mostly out the Knowledge Representation (AI) community. The big one right now is probably KIF, with KQML as a transfer protocol (the KR equivalent of HTML, using HTTP as its protocol). There are a number of arguments both for and against KIF (as opposed to simpler, more streamlined but less expressive mechanisms like SHOE), but that's probably beyond the purvue of this discussion. ------- End of Forwarded Message From powerdan at intersurf.com Fri Aug 23 15:32:20 1996 From: powerdan at intersurf.com (Dan Kissane) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: Citation for "Plug-ins: 25 You Simply Must Have" In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960822175220.006d4188@netcom.com> Message-ID: I previously posted a reference to an article on Plug-ins for Netscape. there have been several requests for a citation. Here it is in no particular form. Again, I am not related to this magazine but I like it! "Plug-ins: 25 You Simply Must Have" The Net, September 1996, vol.2, no.4 pp.24-33 Guzak, Lauren Dan Kissane Assistant System Librarian McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA 70605 "opinions mine alone" From goodm_b at unr.edu Fri Aug 23 17:23:31 1996 From: goodm_b at unr.edu (Beth Goodman) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: w3launch error in Netscape 2.0+ Message-ID: I know this topic has been discussed in the past but I can't find any solutions in the archives.... I am trying to link to my networked CD-ROMs via a web page using w3launch, everything appears to be set up correctly on the browser side, but when I try to open the link I receive the following Netscape errors: "Unable to open the file for writing" "Failed to create temp file!" If no one can suggest a solution for this problem, then other options for liking to my CDs (on a Windows NT server running CD-Net 2.0) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Beth Goodman Systems Librarian University of Nevada, Reno goodm_b@unr.edu (702) 784-6500 x268 From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Fri Aug 23 19:35:24 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:33:58 2005 Subject: Library Agents(sm): Library Applications of Intelligent Software Agents Message-ID: <9608232338.AA16597@library.berkeley.edu> Library Agents(sm): Library Applications of Intelligent Software Agents For a planned review and clearinghouse, I am interested in libraries and other information centers and services that have applied intelligent software agents for library services. While I am specifically interested in reference applications, other types of library operations and services are also of interest, including acquisitions, cataloging, or collection development. While I am particularly interested in Assistant Agents and Information Integration Agents, Coordinated Agents and Mobile Agents are also of interest. For background information on Agents, users may wish to review the _Intelligent Software Agents_ site maintained by Sverker Janson at URL http://www.sics.se/isl/abc/survey.html , or review the key works or projects I've incorporated with Project Aristotle(sm), my clearinghouse of projects, research, products and services devoted to 'automated categorization' of Web resources at URL: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Aristotle.htm As sites and projects are identified, I will incorporate these within a new site at: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/Agents.htm Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "There are No Answers, Only Solutions" From jon at net.lut.ac.uk Sun Aug 25 09:41:47 1996 From: jon at net.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Linux In-Reply-To: <9608161918.AA26133@library.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Edward Wigg wrote: > Printing works nicely enough from Linux/Netscape, especially to a networked > postscript printer with a suitable print server, but we, like many/most > people are moving in the direction of charging for printing. Whether or not > there is a simple way to integrate unix style printing into most vendacard > printing systems is open to question. I don't know if anyone has done any > research into this; it may be a non-issue, but it is one more thing to worry > about. We do all our charged printing via HP-UX machines (HP's UNIX flavour). The charging system runs under a secure Oracle server and is tied into the normal UNIX printing mechanim. This means that "trusted" UNIX machines (ie: ones that Computing Services know about and trust the sysadmins of) can submit print jobs to the central HP printing service and let them do the charging. Staff and students buy credits in advance of wanting to print (staff actually get a fixed number of free credits everyday in order to perform their normal work - they just pay real money for specialist laser printing services such as colour or A3) > Linux will mount DOS floppies, and though there are scripts that will allow > non-privileged users to mount/dismount a floppy, I see no easy way to > explain people used to DOS that you cannot just insert/remove a disk without > mounting/dismounting it as well. Maybe there is some clever work around for > this that I have not discovered -- perhaps leaving the floppy permanently > mounted and having a cron job flushing writes to it regularly would suffice. > If all else fails it would probably possible to write a special device > driver that mounted the disk only for the duration of the write, but it's > well beyond me :-). We use mtools on the Linux box in the office and that lets you mcopy, mdir, etc, etc without mounting the floppy as a UNIX accessible filesystem. Works well for us (modulo the duff floppy drive on that machine... :-) ). Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. * From ace at Opus1.COM Sun Aug 25 09:29:59 1996 From: ace at Opus1.COM (Elisabeth Roche) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: The Intranet Journal(sm) -- Expert's Corner . . . . Message-ID: <32205557.7C6D@mail.opus1.com> The url for the Intranet Journal is: http://www.brill.com/intranet/expert.html#contents Network World's IntraNet Magazine will be at http://www.nwfusion.com Elisabeth Roche ace@opus1.com serendipity RULES! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/attachments/19960825/8de7bf3e/expert.html From guthery at austin.sar.slb.com Sun Aug 25 10:47:51 1996 From: guthery at austin.sar.slb.com (guthery@austin.sar.slb.com) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: <01I8NW0UWX4C90N6TU@Opus1.COM> (message from Elisabeth Roche on Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:25:03 -0700) Message-ID: <199608251447.JAA13443@asterix> Elisabeth Roche notes ... >IMO, the fact that there are so many systems librarians and people doing the >systems jobs successfully, most without the formal CIS/MIS training to start, >is more revealing of the current attitudes and future desires of LIS >professionals than the truth that there are professionals and departments as >you describe who are also caught in this moment of change. The *LAST* person I want organizing information on our Web is a person with training in MIS!!! Why are librarians so tied to books and shelves? (Well, I know ... I love the feel and the look of 'em too but that's not the point.) What needs tending is the content not the media. Who knows how to organize knowlege in a way that it can be used by humans? The people who print pay checks? I think not. Who set up that great library in building 204? Let's find that person. From kgs at bluehighways.com Sun Aug 25 13:40:00 1996 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: hiring librarians Message-ID: One of the things that struck me in reading Martin Cohen's very succinct list of requirements is that he sounds as if he is describing several different people (and it's quite possible he's suggesting this--I'm not implying he isn't!). In other words, all of those skills are important in maintaining a library website, but they don't necessarily need to be concentrated in one person, nor do I think they could be, in most cases. The person who is a whiz at Unix and C and Internet security and Perl is not necessarily the same one who intimately understands HCI and other user requirements. The folks who maintain the Oracle database may not always have a real understanding of which fields are most appropriate, or what the output should look like. And (as is true in every profession) the innovator/imagineer who dreams up the whole new way of doing things is not often the same person who understands what it takes to keep the system running from day to day. For one thing, if it's a library website of any magnitude, there is not enough time in the day to play all those roles! Of course, in small libraries, you have folks who wear many hats, but that's always been true, and a small library can probably maintain a good website with far less sophisticated tools than of the Unix/Perl sort. However, this is not to say these tools aren't essential, but just the opposite--that the new librarianship will have these skills distributed throughout all workers. Right now it is still common to hear someone say, "I have someone good at the Internet, so I can fill those other positions with traditional librarians." This, I think, is crux of the problem--that as others, including Martin, have suggested, we do librarianship no service by allowing students to graduate and practice as "librarians" when that phrase is meaningless insofar as it translates to actual technical skills (and connotes a willingness and aptitude to focus and develop in technical areas). Many of us are self-taught, but just as it is possible to pass the Bar without going to law school, we ought to be able to demonstrate (and perhaps develop) core skills through some certification process--and we may need to qualify what kind of librarian we are, just as doctors specialize. We've had this discussion before, and it is truly relevant to WEB4LIB, but not once on this or any other list have I ever heard a peep from the ALA accreditation folks. Has anyone else? Where do they stand on requiring technical skills? What is their position on this? How do they ensure it is happening? Anyone know? Until we redefine how librarians are born, we will not redefine how we live. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Karen G. Schneider * kgs@bluehighways.com * schneider.karen@epamail.epa.gov Author, The Internet Access Cookbook (e-mail Neal-Schuman@icm.com) Director, US EPA Region 2 Library * Cybrarian * Columnist, American Libraries Visit our library at our new URL: http://www.epa.gov/Region2/library/ These opinions strictly mine! From goodm_b at unr.edu Sun Aug 25 16:27:35 1996 From: goodm_b at unr.edu (Beth Goodman) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: w3launch error in Netscape 2.0+ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Update: These are the suggestions I have tried so far, to no avail: 1. the Temp and Tmp variables are set correctly in the autoexec. 2. My server is set to recognize the correct MIME type for W3launch Any more ideas? Thanks again. Beth Goodman On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Beth Goodman wrote: > > I know this topic has been discussed in the past but I can't find any > solutions in the archives.... > > I am trying to link to my networked CD-ROMs via a web page using w3launch, > everything appears to be set up correctly on the browser side, but when I > try to open the link I receive the following Netscape errors: > > "Unable to open the file for writing" > > "Failed to create temp file!" > > If no one can suggest a solution for this problem, then other options for > liking to my CDs (on a Windows NT server running CD-Net 2.0) would be > greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > Beth Goodman > Systems Librarian > University of Nevada, Reno > goodm_b@unr.edu > (702) 784-6500 x268 > > From snesbeitt at topcat.bridgew.edu Sun Aug 25 18:35:02 1996 From: snesbeitt at topcat.bridgew.edu (Sarah Nesbeitt, Maxwell Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Adobe Acrobat Message-ID: <009A763C.97508469.24@topcat.bridgew.edu> Can anyone on this list recommend a good book / tutorial on Adobe Acrobat (aimed at PC users)? One designed for the beginner, preferably. I currently have a demo version of Acrobat and would like to test it out before purchasing it. I plan to use it to create buttons and other graphics for our Web page. The Help files aren't too helpful for those starting from scratch. Thanks in advance, Sarah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarah L. Nesbeitt Reference Librarian E-mail: snesbeitt@bridgew.edu The Clement C. Maxwell Library nesbeitt@alumni.sils.umich.edu Bridgewater State College Voice: (508) 697-1200 x2648 Bridgewater, MA 02325 USA From snesbeitt at topcat.bridgew.edu Sun Aug 25 20:49:32 1996 From: snesbeitt at topcat.bridgew.edu (Sarah Nesbeitt, Maxwell Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Adobe PHOTOSHOP (not Acrobat) - correction Message-ID: <009A764F.61BA8FC6.30@topcat.bridgew.edu> To those of you who made it through my last message... whoops. I don't know where my brain was. I meant Adobe Photoshop, not Adobe Acrobat, as the program my library has a demo copy of, and for which I was interested in recommendations of a useful book/tutorial. This is what I get for posting on a Sunday evening without the program in front of me. In any case, it's Photoshop I'm interested in - I'm already familiar with Acrobat. Our main home page was outsourced to a corporation that used Photoshop, and I'd like to try my hand at it myself - are there any specific books you've found useful in learning Photoshop? Sarah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarah L. Nesbeitt Reference Librarian E-mail: snesbeitt@bridgew.edu The Clement C. Maxwell Library nesbeitt@alumni.sils.umich.edu Bridgewater State College Voice: (508) 697-1200 x2648 Bridgewater, MA 02325 USA From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Sun Aug 25 21:03:31 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Adobe PHOTOSHOP (not Acrobat) - correction In-Reply-To: <009A764F.61BA8FC6.30@topcat.bridgew.edu> Message-ID: I use a number of Photoshop books. The best is a little old but is designed as a _classroom in a book_ Advanced Adobe Photoshop for the Macintosh with CD Adobe Press. ISBN 1-56830-117-0 $50. Excellent. More up-to-date but as user friendly but still very good -- it covers layers which is very important. Fundamental Photoshop, 2nd edition. Osborne. Greenberg & Greenberg. ISBN 0-07-882093-6. No CD! $29.95 --Thom From sallie at abs.net Sun Aug 25 21:24:55 1996 From: sallie at abs.net (Sallie A Becker) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Re: hiring librarians] Message-ID: <3220FCE7.17A5@abs.net> At the SLA conference in Boston this June, one of the speakers made reference to a Basic Competencies document that had been accepted by the Board of Directors during the conference. No details on the content were revealed, but publication was expected soon. My last visit to SLA's website (www.sla.org) about a week ago made no reference to Basic Competencies. Anyone out there have additional information? I'd like to think that this document would address some of these technology issues. Sallie ----------- Sallie A. Becker Digital Media Librarian NSA Libraries Karen G. Schneider wrote: > > We've had this discussion before, and it is truly relevant to WEB4LIB, but > not once on this or any other list have I ever heard a peep from the ALA > accreditation folks. Has anyone else? Where do they stand on requiring > technical skills? What is their position on this? How do they ensure it > is happening? Anyone know? Until we redefine how librarians are born, we > will not redefine how we live. > From thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu Sun Aug 25 21:26:16 1996 From: thom at copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Big Glee Bopper) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: hiring ho hum! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Martin Cohen wrote: > If a > curriculum regards story telling and C programming as equivalent, it's > difficult to define the marketplace worth of those who have taken a degree > in it. (I'm not making a comparison here: I'm not much good at either). Story telling is the more u$eful of the two. Not many use C any more but storytelling seems to be the heart of the new media. Major bucks for folks who can combine the words _digital_ and _storytelling_, read: computer game design. I couldn't help but comment on Martin's juxtaposition as I am still working on a strange piece called, Game Design as the Model for Information Science as an Art, strange ruminations: version1.1 at http://www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/gameDesign/game_design2.html This is nothing close to traditional MLS or MIS training being offered at Michigan, Berkeley or even at Indiana but I think it is much closer to the needs of the emerging new media world. The problem is that the idea of _our_ people has to disappear to get anything silly done. I like the idea of bleeding edge info artists called _librarians_ with bleeding edge skills other folks are more than willing to pay for which they are if you have the skills I suggest. Thoughts? I'm only up to version 1.1, more than willing to change if the wind blows out of the north suddenly 8-). --Thom _____________________________________________________________________ |\-------------/\----------------------------------------------------/| ||::::/ \::::|| Thom Gillespie || ||:::/ \:::|| Indiana University thom@ucs.indiana.edu || ||::( (o)(o))::|| SLIS Library 011 812-855-3254 (voice) || ||:::\ .. /:::|| Bloomington, In. 47406 812-855-6166 (fax) || ||::::\ --/::::|| www.indiana.edu/~slizzard/resume/page.html || ||::::/\ /\::::|| ............................................ || ||:::/ ^ \:::|| If people never did silly things nothing || |/-------------\| intelligent would ever get done -- Wittgenstein /| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From walthowe at delphi.com Mon Aug 26 00:13:52 1996 From: walthowe at delphi.com (Walt Howe) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Re: hiring librarians] Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960826041352.00761128@pop.delphi.com> At 06:29 PM 8/25/96 -0700, Sallie Becker wrote: >At the SLA conference in Boston this June, one of the speakers made >reference to a Basic Competencies document that had been accepted by the >Board of Directors during the conference. No details on the content >were revealed, but publication was expected soon. My last visit to >SLA's website (www.sla.org) about a week ago made no reference to Basic >Competencies. Anyone out there have additional information? I'd like >to think that this document would address some of these technology >issues. I'm gisting Hope Tillman's comments on this question for her. I called the question to her attention, but she's working on another deadline tonight, so I volunteered to pass along her information. The report on "Competencies for Special Librarians of the 21st Century" was approved and accepted by the SLA Board of Directors at the Boston Conference. Since it has not been released in online retrievable form yet, and such release is not imminent, the quickest way to get the document is to write/phone/fax/email SLA HQ and ask for a copy of Board Document A96-81. Our thanks to the great job by Joanne Marshall, Bill Fisher, Lynda Moulton, and Roberta Piccoli! O-O- See my home page at http://people.delphi.com/walthowe/ J ) my Internet Learning Center at http://world.std.com/~walthowe/ ( ) and "Ask Walt, your Internet Advisor" at ()) http://bbs.iguide.com:8090/internet/ From WEISSMAN at main.morris.org Mon Aug 26 01:14:15 1996 From: WEISSMAN at main.morris.org (Sara Weissman/Morris Cty Library) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:00 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: <960826011415.202296b3@main.morris.org> The original Rev.(Post) said "starts at $31K ..."//One of my students (Rutgers SCILS) told me last semester how intimidated, nearly brutalized she felt by job interviews/interviewers placing extraordinary technological demands on the newly minted MS ..I told her not to be cowed because some institution found itself behind the eight ball in the collective 1990s information skill pool and determined somehow to make it all up in one hire. Information needs and skills have leapt, compressed and morphed faster than people study, learn, train ...I think it will be another 5 years before we really have the people we need, in the places we need them, in numbers ..meanwhile, I hope no one is turning away promising people of good minds who can be taught. I'd rather hire someone who knew they had a lot to learn than someone who thought they knew it all ... From tdowling at ohiolink.edu Tue Aug 27 09:12:01 1996 From: tdowling at ohiolink.edu (Thomas Dowling) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:02 2005 Subject: Cookies? Crumbs! Message-ID: <199608271310.JAA07690@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> In recent browsing of several library home pages, I've noticed quite a few using cookies. I've considered a cookie-based user verification scheme, but I honestly haven't seen a reason to distribute cookies from a home page. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of users consider them an unwarranted intrusion, so--if any of you are using them--what are you using them for? Thomas Dowling tdowling@ohiolink.edu From ctmlib at wizvax.net Tue Aug 27 10:55:37 1996 From: ctmlib at wizvax.net (Rebecca Rector) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:02 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: <199608271455.KAA31328@wizvax.wizvax.net> I have to agree with Linda - most of the librarians I know are working on web pages for their corporate or academic institutions or personl use. They embrace new technology and are not afraid to try new things. We all have to use a combination of technologies and media to find information for our customers or patrons. That is today's challenge! I am also curious as to where Scott has been trying to recruit librarians and finding such a cold response to "new technology".> Most library schools are very involved with teaching new technology; and many of the job ads I see (I edit a special libraries job newsletter that has just gone electronic) are very electronic oriented, with internet, web and html skills wanted along with networking computers and all sorts of different media. Rebecca Rector Librarian, CT Male Associates, Engineers Latham, NY Not all librarians are tied to books and shelves, but these still have > a very essential and vital place in making information available to > people. I'm a corporate librarian who also runs my small company's > intranet. Others on my staff handle the collection and maintenance of > books and journals, but I use these resources the same as I use > databases and web resources -- to meet the needs of my users. I'd > like to think I'm not "tied" to any media, print or Web based. > > The *first* person I'd like to see organizing content on the Web is someone > who can listen to and identify user needs, learn from and build on existing > frameworks for organizing information, not be afraid to try innovative > approaches, and ultimately measure their success by how they improve the > ability of users to get the information they need. Pretty much the same > person I'd like to see running a library. I think there are a lot of > librarians and information specialists out there who are doing all of this > in their organizations now. > > Scott: I don't know where you've been looking for librarians, or why you > are getting the response you detailed in your message. I hope you'll learn > from the replies you get that my profession is not turning a cold shoulder > to what many of us see as a tremendous opportunity to use our skills in a > new setting with the potential to vastly improve people's access to > information. > > Linda Bickham > Manager, Library Services > SyStemix > lbickham@stem.com > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Hiring Librarians > Author: guthery@austin.sar.slb.com at INTERNET > Date: 8/24/96 3:22 PM > > > I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized > that > we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our > Intranet. > > 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library > science departments when I've come calling > > 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just > like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so > and maybe with fresh approaches > > 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries > rather than mix them in with the web > > 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high > communication component > > 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums > which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information > > It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy > whip >maker isn't what it used to be. > >Cheers, Scott > > From drisner at swlaw.edu Tue Aug 27 12:06:14 1996 From: drisner at swlaw.edu (David Risner) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:02 2005 Subject: Cookies? Crumbs! In-Reply-To: <199608271310.JAA07690@ohiolink.ohiolink.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Thomas Dowling wrote: > In recent browsing of several library home pages, I've noticed quite a few > using cookies. I've considered a cookie-based user verification scheme, > but I honestly haven't seen a reason to distribute cookies from a home > page. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of users consider them an unwarranted > intrusion, so--if any of you are using them--what are you using them for? Cookies can be sent automatically by Apache for logging the length of time each user is at your site. It send a cookie with the first page you get; it then gets that cookie back with each page you get in the next day or so. It can then see how long each user is looking at your pages and can better track how many different users are seeing your site. David G. Risner Network Services Administrator Southwestern University School of Law, Los Angeles, CA drisner@swlaw.edu 213/738-6762 From lgwallace at ci.orem.ut.us Tue Aug 27 12:02:18 1996 From: lgwallace at ci.orem.ut.us (Louise Wallace) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:02 2005 Subject: Job Announcement: Systems Librarian Message-ID: Job Announcement: Systems Librarian; Orem Public Library; Orem, Utah DUTIES: Responsible for administration, training, support, coordination, and planning for DYNIX, Novell NetWare, LAN and WAN, standard library CD-ROM applications, data and software infrastructures, troubleshooting PC's and peripherals, Internet and WWW. Participates as a member of the Library's professional team for administration, planning, training and budgeting. Teaches, trains and supervises library clerks and technicians. QUALIFICATIONS: Requires an ALA/MLS and one year experience as a working library professional or para-professional, or comparable combination of education and experience. Skilled in integrated library systems and a variety of standard and current software. SALARY: $2,538 to $3,173 per month depending upon qualifications. TO APPLY: Applications must be submitted to the City of Orem Personnel Office on or before September 15, 1996 at 5:00pm MST. For more information, call the Personnel Office at 801-229-7186, or FAX 229-7306. From cfpl00 at iren.net Tue Aug 27 13:20:08 1996 From: cfpl00 at iren.net (Cedar Falls Public Library Acct #1) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:02 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians In-Reply-To: <199608271455.KAA31328@wizvax.wizvax.net> Message-ID: I think part of the problem that Scott may have encountered in the past was the fact that many (certainly not all!) veteran librarians were very much steeped in the traditional concept of what constituted The Profession. While this was and is still not a bad thing in and of itself, I think this strong sense of personal mission was felt to be threatened in the dynamic environment of technological change which such veterans saw coming at them. There was and still is a considerable amount of technophobia in the world and I seem to remember quite a number of people with this affliction assuming that gaining technical skills = self-degradation. I think it might've had to do with the feeling that technical skills were only really useful to corporate, "mercenary" types or it may really have been plain fear of change, but fear it was. I understand how Scott may have run into a few cold shoulders in the past but I bet if he tried again, he might find there have been a number of attitude as well as personnel changes. I'm quite certain that with the growth in one sector (commercial information services, MIS, etc) and the relative shrinkage in another (library jobs), library and info science schools are _very_ interested in talking to people like Scott. Who wants to sell a degree to people when, nowadays with financial aid shrinking, one might not be able to recoup the investment? (even if it _is_ small as someone pointed out, somebody still has to pay it back) I believe, btw, that most web4libbers are probably far from being technophobic which is probably also borne out by the fact that there has been much more said on the list about how odd Scott's observations were than about how they might have been common. :) Thanks. --Barb ******************************************************************** Barbara Dunn 524 Main St. Technical Services Librarian Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613 Cedar Falls Public Library (319)273-8643 "All the men on my staff can type." -- Bella Abzug ******************************************************************** On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Rebecca Rector wrote: > I have to agree with Linda - most of the librarians I know are working on > web pages for their corporate or academic institutions or personl use. They > embrace new technology and are not afraid to try new things. We all have to > use a combination of technologies and media to find information for our > customers or patrons. That is today's challenge! > > I am also curious as to where Scott has been trying to recruit librarians > and finding such a cold response to "new technology".> Most library schools > are very involved with teaching new technology; and many of the job ads I > see (I edit a special libraries job newsletter that has just gone > electronic) are very electronic oriented, with internet, web and html skills > wanted along with networking computers and all sorts of different media. > > > Rebecca Rector > Librarian, > CT Male Associates, Engineers > Latham, NY > > Not all librarians are tied to books and shelves, but these still have > > a very essential and vital place in making information available to > > people. I'm a corporate librarian who also runs my small company's > > intranet. Others on my staff handle the collection and maintenance of > > books and journals, but I use these resources the same as I use > > databases and web resources -- to meet the needs of my users. I'd > > like to think I'm not "tied" to any media, print or Web based. > > > > The *first* person I'd like to see organizing content on the Web is > someone > > who can listen to and identify user needs, learn from and build on > existing > > frameworks for organizing information, not be afraid to try innovative > > approaches, and ultimately measure their success by how they improve the > > ability of users to get the information they need. Pretty much the same > > person I'd like to see running a library. I think there are a lot of > > librarians and information specialists out there who are doing all of > this > > in their organizations now. > > > > Scott: I don't know where you've been looking for librarians, or why you > > are getting the response you detailed in your message. I hope you'll > learn > > from the replies you get that my profession is not turning a cold > shoulder > > to what many of us see as a tremendous opportunity to use our skills in a > > new setting with the potential to vastly improve people's access to > > information. > > > > Linda Bickham > > Manager, Library Services > > SyStemix > > lbickham@stem.com > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > > _________________________________ > > Subject: Hiring Librarians > > Author: guthery@austin.sar.slb.com at INTERNET > > Date: 8/24/96 3:22 PM > > > > > > I've been on the otherside of trying to hire librarians. We've realized > > that > > we need library science people to do technology watch and to organize our > > Intranet. > > > > 1) I've been greeted with a very, very cold shoulder by many library > > science departments when I've come calling > > > > 2) many library science people don't see that "net books" are just > > like real books and need the same care and attention ... even more so > > and maybe with fresh approaches > > > > 3) many library science people want to "bunkerize" classical libraries > > rather than mix them in with the web > > > > 4) many library science people shy away from jobs with a high > > communication component > > > > 5) there are few courses in "off the shelf" library science curriculums > > which deal with serving from and organizing web-based information > > > > It shouldn't surprise people that the going rate for even the best buggy > > whip > >maker isn't what it used to be. > > > >Cheers, Scott > > > > > > From LCOHEN at cnsvax.albany.edu Wed Aug 28 09:11:38 1996 From: LCOHEN at cnsvax.albany.edu (Laura B. Cohen) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: Netscape 3.0 problems Message-ID: <01I8SWCFMSNA8Y5HCU@cnsvax.albany.edu> Hi, all: I've just installed Netscape 3.0 for Windows 3.1 and am having an annoying problem. When I'm working on an HTML file and update it, and then click on the Reload button, up comes a screen with only my document's background but not text! I have to hit Reload up to 10 times to get the text up on the screen. Does anyone have any ideas about what is going wrong? Another thing: I read that 3.0 was supposed to include the Acrobat reader so that any .pdf file would be read in the Netscape window. I don't see the Acrobat reader anywhere in the Navigator files. Why? Thanks in advance -- Laura Cohen Laura B. Cohen Network Services Librarian University Libraries UL-140 University at Albany Albany, New York 12222 LCOHEN@CNSVAX.ALBANY.EDU From LIB_COGAN at EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU Wed Aug 28 10:39:59 1996 From: LIB_COGAN at EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU (Sarah Cogan) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: Netscape and tn3270 Message-ID: <01I8T156Z16A9AMUZN@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU> I am trying to configure tn 3270 which I am launching through Netscape 2.0 on a Macintosh. I need to change the colors used in the tn3270 session. However, after I configure the application, and save that as the default, each time it is launched it creates and uses a new tn 3270 document which uses the old, bad colors and is called something like Netscape Tn3270-####. (####=four numbers.) This is driving me nuts, and I am wondering what I am doing wrong. Thanks for any hints. Sarah Cogan University Library Eastern Michigan University 313-487-1778 lib_cogan@online.emich.edu From LIB_COGAN at emuvax.emich.edu Wed Aug 28 14:28:27 1996 From: LIB_COGAN at emuvax.emich.edu (Sarah Cogan) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: Netscape and tn3270 Message-ID: <960828142827.21805b60@emuvax.emich.edu> I am trying to configure tn 3270 which I am launching through Netscape 2.0 for the Mac. I need to change the colors used in the tn3270; I am getting white type which doesn't turn out so well on white paper. However, after I configure the application and save that as the default, each time it is launched it creates and uses a new tn3270 document which uses the old, bad colors and is called something like Netscape Tn3270-#### (####=four digits.) This is driving me nuts, and I am wondering what I am doing wrong. Thanks for any tips. Sarah Cogan University Library Eastern Michigan University lib_cogan@emuvax.emich.edu 313-487-1778 From msettem at ala.org Wed Aug 28 15:43:06 1996 From: msettem at ala.org (Marie-Louise Settem) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: PLACEMENT CENTER--LITA/LAMA Nat'l Conf Message-ID: PLACEMENT SERVICE OFFERED AT LITA/LAMA NATIONAL CONFERENCE A Placement Service will be available at the Library and Information Technology Association (LITA)/Library Administration and Management Association (LAMA) National Conference, October 13-16, 1996 in Pittsburgh, PA. Coordinated by the American Library Association (ALA) Office for Library Personnel Resources (OLPR), the placement center hours will be: Sunday, October 13 -- 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday, October 14 -- 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Tuesday, October 15 -- 9:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. The Placement Center will be at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center, in Meeting Room N12 on Level 3. Registration forms can be requested from the OLPR Office, c/o ALA, 50 E Huron St, Chicago IL 60611. Telephone 800/545-2433, ext: 4277; TDD: 312/944-7298. E-mail: mmoore@ala.org Please indicate if registration is for job seekers, or for employers with job vacancy listings. Preregistration is encouraged by October 7, although onsite registration will be available. Interview space will also be available. The Placement Center will be open to all ALA members, whether they are attending the LITA/LAMA National Conference or not. From jonathon at earthlink.net Wed Aug 28 16:30:10 1996 From: jonathon at earthlink.net (Jonathon Lee) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: ? Internet classes emanating from the *Library* Message-ID: <3224AC52.76F6@earthlink.net> Please forgive if this question has been overasked. I am looking for specific course outlines/course descriptions of 1-3 unit, lower division Internet classes emanating from the library (eg. Library Science 241-Internet Resources and Services). Such courses often come from the Computer Science department; we are looking to develop one coming from the Library Division. Any precedents? Jonathon Lee Los Angeles Harbor College Library jonathon@earthlink.net From snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu Wed Aug 28 17:41:14 1996 From: snb at darkwing.uoregon.edu (Sara Brownmiller) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: ? Internet classes emanating from the *Library* In-Reply-To: <3224AC52.76F6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You might contact Barbara Jenkins (jenkins@oregon.uoregon.edu), Head of Reference, at the University of Oregon Library. The Library currently offers 2 credit classes which might be what you are thinking of. One is titled Research Strategies and Information Technology and the second is called Contours of Cyberspace. Sara Brownmiller Systems Librarian University of Oregon Library On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Jonathon Lee wrote: > Please forgive if this question has been overasked. > > I am looking for specific course outlines/course descriptions of > 1-3 unit, lower division Internet classes emanating from the > library (eg. Library Science 241-Internet Resources and Services). > Such courses often come from the Computer Science department; we are looking > to develop one coming from the Library Division. Any precedents? > > Jonathon Lee > Los Angeles Harbor College Library > jonathon@earthlink.net > From roehf at nslsilus.org Wed Aug 28 17:37:46 1996 From: roehf at nslsilus.org (Frances Roehm) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: PLACEMENT CENTER--LITA/LAMA Nat'l Conf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those of you who haven't seen them, ALA now has jobs posted on their web site. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the folks at ALA and to encourage any of you with jobs to post to make them available to all on the web. The internet has proven to be a dynamic tool for job seekers, career changers, and those who serve them, including librarians. Let's do it! Frances E. Roehm Co-chair, PLA Job and Career Information Services Committee On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Marie-Louise Settem wrote: > PLACEMENT SERVICE OFFERED AT LITA/LAMA NATIONAL > CONFERENCE > > A Placement Service will be available at the Library and Information > Technology Association (LITA)/Library Administration and Management > Association (LAMA) National Conference, October 13-16, 1996 in > Pittsburgh, PA. > > Coordinated by the American Library Association (ALA) Office for > Library Personnel Resources (OLPR), the placement center hours will > be: > Sunday, October 13 -- 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. > Monday, October 14 -- 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. > Tuesday, October 15 -- 9:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. > > The Placement Center will be at the David L. Lawrence Convention > Center, in Meeting Room N12 on Level 3. > > Registration forms can be requested from the OLPR Office, c/o ALA, 50 > E Huron St, Chicago IL 60611. Telephone 800/545-2433, ext: 4277; > TDD: 312/944-7298. E-mail: mmoore@ala.org > > Please indicate if registration is for job seekers, or for employers with job > vacancy listings. > > Preregistration is encouraged by October 7, although onsite registration > will be available. Interview space will also be available. > > The Placement Center will be open to all ALA members, whether they are > attending the LITA/LAMA National Conference or not. > > > From libernet at midtown.net Wed Aug 28 20:04:01 1996 From: libernet at midtown.net (scharles) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: PLACEMENT CENTER--LITA/LAMA Nat'l Conf Message-ID: <9608290004.AA27668@library.berkeley.edu> FYI: ALA is at , and the job line is at Scott Charles At 03:39 PM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote: > > >For those of you who haven't seen them, ALA now has jobs posted >on their web site. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank >the folks at ALA and to encourage any of you with jobs to post >to make them available to all on the web. > >The internet has proven to be a dynamic tool for job seekers, >career changers, and those who serve them, including librarians. > >Let's do it! > >Frances E. Roehm >Co-chair, PLA Job and Career Information Services Committee > > From WILCOX at lis.unt.edu Wed Aug 28 19:05:26 1996 From: WILCOX at lis.unt.edu (Mark Wilcox) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: Hiring Librarians Message-ID: <1535D7B613D@lis.unt.edu> Here at the University of North Texas we're rapidly trying to integrate the Internet into as many classes (as well as Internet specific classes) too. Myself I'm 3 months from finishing and I'm already a webmaster (running 3 servers) comfortable in HTML, CGI, Java, etc. I'm local guru but even with many schools trying to teach this stuff, the skills are still to slow develop. Most LIS facutly & students are not strong in their computer background (very few of us CS guys come in). That will change though as the 'net progresses. And for us who know this stuff really well, we're not sure if we want to go straight into a library. At the moment I'd prefer I-net consulting and designing. I think I'd be more useful doing that. Mark Wilcox@lis.unt.edu http://www.unt.edu/~mew0002 Webmaster of WWW Archive Project http://archive.lis.unt.edu/ From jhewlett at logos.santarosa.edu Wed Aug 28 22:24:21 1996 From: jhewlett at logos.santarosa.edu (Jean Hewlett) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:03 2005 Subject: (REV.)POSTING - NETWORK RESOURCES - CT -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you noticed how many "Network Librarian" jobs have been advertised lately? And how many of them come around again, marked "search extended"? My experience has been that most librarians are grossly underpaid for their education and skill, especially in rural public libraries and private colleges. For this reason, I found the whole discussion of "should we be paid more for creating a web page" quite surprizing. Jean Hewlett Any opinions expressed in this message are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employers. Life just isn't that simple... On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, KAREN SCHNEIDER wrote: > I am now in the position of wondering if I should eat my own > words. I read this and thought, whew, only $31k for all this skill? > But maybe the LAN/WAN/client-server expertise is what gives > me pause... what do others think? > > Karen G. Schneider/opinions mine alone/ > > >>> JOANNE AKEROYD > 08/22/96 04:44pm >>> > > NETWORK RESOURCES LIBRARIAN > > Trinity College Library > > > The Network Resources Librarian is responsible for > planning, > > coordinating, and supporting Trinity College Library's network > > services and resources. He/she provides overall leadership > > for shaping and maintaining network information services; > > participates in the reference and bibliographic instruction > > services; and carries major responsibility for identifying > > new network services and resources. This position reports to > the > > Head of Reference and Instructional Services, and consults > regularly > with the College Librarian about planning and > service issues. > > > Trinity College Library operates a Sirsi Unicorn system in a > > consortium with Connecticut College and Wesleyan University. > > Trinity College has a fully integrated campus network > supporting > > Windows 95/NT, Unix, and Macintosh applications. > > > Candidates should hold ALA-accredited MLS; a minimum of > two years > > professional experience providing reference and library > instruction; > > strong knowledge of developments and trends in networked > resources > > and services, including full-text and image access, > bibliographic, > > statistical, and other sources of data; knowledge of networked > > configurations for library and information access including > LANs > and WANs, client/server architecture, Internet and > WWW including > > HTML and CGI scripting. > > > This full-time position is available immediately. Salary range > > begins at $31,000. Please submit a resume and cover letter > > stating salary requirements, and the names, titles, and current > > telephone numbers of three professional references to: > > > Dr. Stephen L. Peterson > > College Librarian > > Trinity College > > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 > > > Review of applications will begin immediately; the search will > > continue until position is filled. > > > Trinity College is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action > > Employer. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. > > Applicants with disabilities should request, in advance, any > > needed accommodation in order to fully participate in the > > application process. > > > > Posted by: > > Joanne Akeroyd > Head of Technical Services > Internet: akeroyd@ads.trincoll.edu > > Trinity College Library Phone: (203) 297-2241 > > 300 Summit Street > Hartford, CT 06106 Fax: (203) > 297-2251 > > > From LIB_COGAN at emuvax.emich.edu Thu Aug 29 12:33:19 1996 From: LIB_COGAN at emuvax.emich.edu (Sarah Cogan) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: Netscape and tn3270 Message-ID: <960829123319.21807295@emuvax.emich.edu> I am trying to make Netscape 2.0 on a Macintosh use different colours than the default when it launches a tn3270 session. Having changed the colors and then saved the new ones as the default the next session will launch the original tn3270 application with the original defaults. This is a big problem for us because the orginal defaults have some text appearing as white, which doesn't look to good when printed on our white paper. Has anyone figures out a way around this? Thanks, Sarah Cogan Library Eastern Michigan University 313-487-1778 lib_cogan@emuvax.emich.edu From SladeKe at slcc.edu Thu Aug 29 12:49:34 1996 From: SladeKe at slcc.edu (Keith Slade) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: ? Internet classes emanating from the *Library* -Reply Message-ID: I'll let my co-worker, Janet Hovorka, resond to this question, because she's been involved with an Internet class from its beginning--- Last year the Utah Academic Library Consortium applied for a grant to prototype a one credit class about the Internet and delivered through the Internet. One librarian from each of the colleges in Utah was appointed to a committee to write the class and then deliver it on their campus. The finished project was first taught in January '96. It is completely taught through the Internet, but ours is the only college that meets in person and we only meet as a class once. The entire class is found at http://www-navigator.utah.edu The method of instruction and the collaborative effort was heavily evaluated. Here is the report: http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/navigator/intro/report.html Other Questions? hovorkja@slcc.edu Janet Hovorka I have been "teaching" this course, called "Internet Navigator," this Summer, so I know something about it myself. Keith C. Slade Salt Lake Community College Library sladeke@slcc.edu From CAROLINE at lib.uttyl.edu Thu Aug 29 12:48:52 1996 From: CAROLINE at lib.uttyl.edu (CAROLINE@lib.uttyl.edu) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: FWD: w3launch error in Netscape 2.0+ Message-ID: <960829114852.32d@lib.uttyl.edu> Beth Goodman Systems Librarian University of Nevada, Reno wrote: >I am trying to link to my networked CD-ROMs via a web page using w3launch, >everything appears to be set up correctly on the browser side, but when I >try to open the link I receive the following Netscape errors: > "Unable to open the file for writing" > "Failed to create temp file!" >If no one can suggest a solution for this problem, then other options for >liking to my CDs (on a Windows NT server running CD-Net 2.0) would be >greatly appreciated. I would like to see this discussed on the list. THANKS! Caroline Allen Caroline@lib.uttyl.edu From JFGREEN at CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU Thu Aug 29 15:22:47 1996 From: JFGREEN at CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (Jim Green) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: ExciteWS and AIX Message-ID: <9608291947.AA07149@library.berkeley.edu> Has anyone out there successfully implemented Excite for Web Servers under AIX 3.2? We downloaded and installed it with no problems, but the indexing process always dies with the following error message: Error removing index files from temporary build location to new locations: No child processes. I saw in one of the FAQs on Excite's web site that this can be caused when directory ExciteWS is installed in is not writeable by the user our web server (NCSA HTTPd 1.5.2) runs as. But it is! It does look like some kind of problem with permissions, but we have tried everything we can think of to no avail. My pleas to Excite's support dept. have gone unanswered. If anyone can shed any light on this, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. ****************************************************** * James F. Green * * Systems Librarian * * Wayne State University/DALNET Systems Office * * jfgreen@cms.cc.wayne.edu * * tel: (313) 577-6439 fax: (313) 577-8720 * ****************************************************** From WILCOX at lis.unt.edu Thu Aug 29 15:02:34 1996 From: WILCOX at lis.unt.edu (Mark Wilcox) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: Internet classes Message-ID: <16751DD7691@lis.unt.edu> I'd add that starting next spring here at UNT GSLIS we will be teaching a webserver management course which will teach students how to setup and manage a complete website including running NCSA's HTTPd on a UNIX SunSPARC. I'm currently working with the prof to develop the sylabus and other materials for the class. This goes along with an internet reference course and a basic internet navigation course. Mark Wilcox@lis.unt.edu http://www.unt.edu/~mew0002 Webmaster of WWW Archive Project http://archive.lis.unt.edu/ From esthers at jer1.co.il Thu Aug 29 17:09:55 1996 From: esthers at jer1.co.il (Esther Carciente) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: Web mapping Message-ID: I'm using two programs for checking my site 1. Siteman 2.00, available for evaluation at: http://www.morningside.asn.au/siteman/ It works on your computer on a mirror of your site Siteman 2.00 doesn't support nested directories, but Siteman 3.00 does. In addition Siteman gives you the possibility to perform a global search and replace on the files in your computer and also to check the links to a specified file. Very useful if you change the name of one file and have to replace the links to it in all the files. I use Siteman to check the files prior to uploading them on the server. 2. Incontext webanalyzer at http://www.incontext.com/products/analyze.html This programs analyzes the content of your site, advises on broken links, and can create a copy of your site on your computer. i use it to check the site live for all the connections that are broken (nobody's perfect) Hope this helps. Esther Carciente Web Site Manager Pedagogic Center http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/ On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Kirk E. Nims wrote: > In the Spring of 1995 we discussed web site mapping and management > software. > > Since then, are any of you using site mapping and link management software? > 5> > If so, what are you recommending? I am in a Windows 3.1 and Novell Netware > environment. > > I have become webmaster for an intranet site with over 2300 files and I > have no idea what links to what and which documents are not linked to at > all. We are not using an http server to run this intranet site. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Kirk E. Nims > Webmaster/Librarian > MichCon > Detroit Michigan > > From JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU Thu Aug 29 18:10:33 1996 From: JL.GJM at ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Gerry McKiernan) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9608292237.AA22388@library.berkeley.edu> Participatory Development of a WWW Database Agriculture (S) In an effort to incorporate the most relevant agriculturally- related Web Reference resources within the CyberStacks(sm) collection, we have established this a site to obtain user preferences for those categories that are of greatest collective interest. We invite users to select from categories and subcategories of topics found within the hypertext outline of the Library of Congress classification schedule for Agriculture (S) below. Agriculture (General) S Plant Culture SB Forestry SD Animal Culture SF Aquaculture, Fisheries, & Angling SH Hunting SK Users are requested to simulate the selection of topics that could meet an information need in some field of Agriculture. While NO resources are incorporated within these categories and subcategories at this time, the aggregate selection of topics by all users during the month of September will greatly assist in identifying the subject categories that users most desire. This aggregate selection of categories and subcategories will be monitored from log reports. At the beginning of October, the cumulative activity will be compiled and used as a guideline for selecting specific resources from the CyberStacks(sm) Title Index for priority incorporation within the CyberStacks(sm) collection. Participants are encourage to select resources at those times that they seek a specific information Reference resource in the field of Agriculture, acting as though they were involved with a real search of the CyberStacks(sm) collection. User participation in the further development of CyberStacks(sm) is greatly appreciated! The URL for this site is: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/S/Agri.htm Regards, Gerry McKiernan Curator, CyberStacks(sm) Iowa State University Ames IA 50011 gerrymck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~CYBERSTACKS/ "Save the Time of the User" From CMSMAINT at BROWNVM.brown.edu Fri Aug 30 01:02:52 1996 From: CMSMAINT at BROWNVM.brown.edu (Peter DiCamillo) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:04 2005 Subject: Netscape and tn3270 Message-ID: <9608300510.AA12590@library.berkeley.edu> I believe the problem is that the tn3270 settings file Netscape creates includes color specifications. That's the only reason why tn3270 would not use the default colors you have saved. This is a problem that needs to be fixed in Netscape. The only workaround I can think of is to create your own tn3270 settings file for connecting to that system, and use it instead of connecting through Netscape. Peter From binkley at sfu.ca Sat Aug 31 15:59:43 1996 From: binkley at sfu.ca (Dave Binkley) Date: Wed May 18 14:34:19 2005 Subject: seeking IP "substituter" References: <199609191437.JAA09865@is.rice.edu> Message-ID: <322899AF.6D64@sfu.ca> > > > From: "Bob Samson" > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 05:52:32 -0700 > > Subject: seeking IP "substituter" > > I'd be curious to know if anyone has found, or developed, some sort > > of IP "substituter" which, upon validation by matching an entry in > > some sort of security database, would substitute a "valid" IP address > > for subsequent access to a local homepage and beyond. ... > If you or your campus runs a proxy server you could have your users configure their browsers to use it. They log into the proxy server and all subsequent IP requests originate from there. Dave -- Dave Binkley | Systems Dept | Bennett Library | Simon Fraser University | Burnaby, BC, CANADA | 604 291-5753 |