[Publib] Issues with the PUBLIB mailing list

[Robert Balliot]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shannon -
>
> What you see as a member of the list is only what people post.  I think
> about 90% of the postings
> are from about 1% of the members.  If you receive a message from someone at
> OCLC, it goes
> directly to list members - not though the same path you receive
> messages from the list.  You cannot
> respond to it - since it is an OCLC generated list derived from the
> members.
>
> They can see archive traffic and searches and have a list of all current
> members and their addresses.
> Karen's follow up message says that 'many vendors ARE on this list'.  That
> is because she can
> see who they are.  You cannot - nor can any of the vendors such as Thompson
> and Gale who subscribe.
>
> And, yes, we do want vendors to know what we want.  However, they do not
> have equal access.
>
> R. Balliot
> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>
>
>
>
>   On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Hammock, Shannon <
> SHammock at riversideca.gov> wrote:
>
>>  Greetings,
>>
>> I am not sure what access OCLC has to any of us that any other vendor
>> couldn't have. All any other vendor would have to do is sign up on PubLib
>> and they too could see the discussion about our needs and problems, just
>> like OCLC can do from reading the very same, very public list. If I was a
>> smart vendor, I know I would sign up on all these lists to see what
>> potential customers are saying what they want. I am not sure that's evil
>> though, just smart business. Plus, don't we want the vendors to know what we
>> want so that their products in the marketplace reflect what we need to do
>> our job?
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* publib-bounces at webjunction.org on behalf of Robert Balliot
>> *Sent:* Sun 6/28/2009 5:00 PM
>> *To:* Sue Kamm
>>
>> *Cc:* publib at webjunction.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Publib] Issues with the PUBLIB mailing list
>>
>>   9000 self-renewing perpetual sales leads discussing the needs and
>> problems of their
>> institutions representing hundreds of millions of dollars in buying power.
>>
>> I think most vendors would pay for that sort of access and bragging rights
>> to host.
>>
>>
>> R. Balliot
>> http://oceanstatelibrarian.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Sue Kamm <suekamm at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An important part of what we may want from PUBLIB is whether
>>> WebJunction/OCLC can supply it and at what cost.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Karen Schneider <kgschneider at gmail.com>
>>> >Sent: Jun 28, 2009 1:52 PM
>>> >To: Robert Balliot <rballiot at gmail.com>
>>> >Cc: publib at webjunction.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [Publib] Issues with the PUBLIB mailing list
>>> >
>>> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Balliot<rballiot at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Karen,
>>> >>
>>> >> It is certainly beneficial to OCLC to host the list and have access to
>>> all
>>> >> of the
>>> >> subscribers email addresses and content.  Offering a server space to
>>> handle
>>> >> the listserve is not big money, nor is it particularly complicated. It
>>> is
>>> >> simply
>>> >> partitioned space.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >This discussion isn't about OCLC -- it's about PUBLIB, and what we as
>>> >a community want for it. The fact (and it *is* a fact) is that running
>>> >a mailing list, particularly a mailing list with a large membership
>>> >and a huge archive, is about far more than "simply partitioned space."
>>> >I manage and co-administrate several other mailing lists on other
>>> >servers, from small personal lists to larger lists for agencies.  If
>>> >it were trivial to keep our mailing list optimized, we wouldn't be
>>> >having this conversation.
>>> >
>>> >I affirm Joe Schallan's observation that we seem to have a chronic
>>> >subscription-related problem, and as noted in my earlier post, I add
>>> >that we as a group might well want to discuss PUBLIB's future (and not
>>> >in terms of what our host is or is not doing for us, but in terms of
>>> >what we want and how we want to meet those needs).
>>> >
>>> >Karen / PUBLIB
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Your friendly CyberGoddess and Councilor-at-large,
>>> Sue Kamm
>>> Inglewood/Los Angeles, CA
>>> Truest of the Blue, Los Angeles Dodgers Think Blue Week 2000
>>> Visit my blog:  http://suekamm.blogspot.com
>>> email:  suekamm [at] mindspring.com
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>>> --Vin Scully
>>>
>>
>>
>
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