[Publib] 1st Amendment Rights

Thu Aug 6 13:34:51 EDT 2009

Dredge for dirt on someone???? Of course!!! Perhaps you missed the last 
election cycle when half of the mainstream media was in Alaska "fishing" 
for Palin dirt and the other half souring the Web. And the cycle before 
that when both Kerry and Bush had their underwear checked very thoroughly.

Fred Beisser
Colorado

Lynne Ingersoll wrote:
>
> Yes, the Internet is forever. But would anyone really want to dredge 
> through it all to find out what one specific person (you? me?) wrote? 
> Who really cares that much? Well, yes, I am sure there are some snoops 
> who would, but really, who cares? Ok, I’ve said some pretty 
> inflammatory things, usually in private e-mails, so maybe I have/had a 
> “file” with the (prior) government. I may not like it but oh well. On 
> the other hand, with the other fingers, the way the (technological) 
> world is moving makes me glad I am relatively old. I don’t want to see 
> what’s comin’ down the pike.
>
> Lynne S. Ingersoll
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> *From:* publib-bounces at webjunction.org 
> [mailto:publib-bounces at webjunction.org] *On Behalf Of *Lisa Guidarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:39 AM
> *To:* brad thomas; kristie_boucher at hotmail.com
> *Cc:* publib at webjunction.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
>
> But what we write on the internet stays forever. We may change our 
> opinions on anything, but just not write about it so the world can 
> read it so no one would know. The internet is forever. Other postings 
> aren’t.
>
> Lisa
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> *From:* brad thomas [mailto:bradthomas at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:31 AM
> *To:* Lisa Guidarini; kristie_boucher at hotmail.com
> *Cc:* publib at webjunction.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
>
> But you're posting all of this information on public forums - on the 
> internet. It would only make sense that someone could see this info... 
> nothing any more frightening than when, in the old days, you posted a 
> message on a corkboard at the city hall - or scratched your name and 
> phone number on a bathroom wall at Denny's.
>
>
> > Subject: RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
> > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:39:15 -0500
> > From: lguidarini at aapld.org
> > To: kristie_boucher at hotmail.com
> > CC: publib at webjunction.org
> >
> > True, but now they can Google me and find everywhere I've commented,
> > find my blog and read it, know my personal views, etc. And marketers
> > target me based on verbage in my emails. I've seen ads change based on
> > what I've just written. I see that when I'm discussing something obscure
> > with a friend, then an ad pops up with the same theme. It's funny, but
> > scary.
> >
> > People could find you in the old days, but now they can find you much
> > faster, and with much more detail.
> >
> > Lisa Guidarini
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kristie Boucher [mailto:kristie_boucher at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:33 AM
> > To: Lisa Guidarini
> > Cc: publib at webjunction.org
> > Subject: RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
> >
> > Haven't read that book yet.
> >
> > However, to play devil's advocate. Back in the day when people actually
> > used phone books, more than likely anyone could have found you, your
> > address and your phone number all in the phone book, provided that you
> > were not unlisted. They could have then drove by your house and saw
> > where you lived.
> >
> > Would've taken a little more time and they would have to have known what
> > city you were in (or spent more time looking), but anyone could have
> > found you before the Internet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kristie Boucher, MLIS
> > Associate Director
> > Crawford County Library System
> > 111 North Twelfth Street
> > Van Buren, AR 72956
> > 479-471-3226
> > http://www.crawfordcountylib.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i'm EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me
> > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=EML_WLHM_GreaterGood>
> >
> >
> > > Subject: RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
> > > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0500
> > > From: lguidarini at aapld.org
> > > To: rballiot at gmail.com
> > > CC: publib at webjunction.org; fredbeisser at mesanetworks.net
> > >
> > > If we knew the full truth of where that info goes, and how it's used,
> > I
> > > think it would astound us. I read this book recently, and it put the
> > > fear of technology into me:
> > >
> > > The Peep Diaries: How We're Learning to Love Watching Ourselves and
> > Our
> > > Neighbors by Hal Niedzviecki
> > >
> > > Paperback: 256 pages
> > > Publisher: City Lights Publishers (June 1, 2009)
> > > Language: English
> > > ISBN-10: 0872864995
> > >
> > > I recommend it, but it's scary. My husband didn't even want to read
> > it.
> > >
> > > Any of you could look at my house from all sides. You can Google me,
> > get
> > > my address, and look at my house. My phone number is out there. Anyone
> > > who wants to find me could easily do so. Anyone with any intention.
> > >
> > > Lisa Guidarini
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Balliot [mailto:rballiot at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:20 AM
> > > To: Lisa Guidarini
> > > Cc: Fred Beisser; publib at webjunction.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
> > >
> > >
> > > It doesn't take an Einstein
> > > <http://blog.executivebiz.com/nsa-at-chertoff-weighs-in/3134> to
> > realize
> > > that internet traffic is simply not private. Everything you
> > > send and receive on the internet or transmit over any device can be
> > > compromised. However, forwarding
> > > an e-mail to a government agency effectively removes the burden on the
> > > government to
> > > maintain privacy - it becomes part of the body of information within
> > the
> > > government network.
> > >
> > > The Marines
> > >
> > <http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/08/05/237200/us-marines-are
> > > -social-networking-outcasts.html> recently banned use of social
> > > networks for a year. My sense is that when they
> > > get Einstein 3 up and running, they will be able to deal with the
> > OPSEC
> > > issues that social
> > > networks create and allow limited access again.
> > >
> > > I do believe it is important to deal with disinformation and much of
> > the
> > > disinformation
> > > being pushed out there regarding Health Care is manipulated by the
> > > industry's for profit
> > > lobbyists. It is noteworthy how many are using European horror stories
> > > of socialized medicine
> > > that are very hard to verify - rather than Canadian. It is very, very
> > > easy however to verify
> > > US medical horror stories of subscribers to HMOs denied the care they
> > > needed for the
> > > purpose of maintaining and increasing corporate profits.
> > >
> > > R. Balliot
> > > http://oceanstatelibrarian.com <http://oceanstatelibrarian.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Lisa Guidarini <lguidarini at aapld.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > How did people research this stuff pre-internet, that's what I
> > > want to
> > > know! It's wonderful how we can point to this and that website
> > > and have
> > > it all at our fingertips.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the fire behind all the messages today. It shows
> > > passion,
> > > and that we care. We'll never all agree, and that's not a bad
> > > thing. We
> > > have a two-party system for a reason. Those founding fathers
> > > were pretty
> > > darn smart with the checks and balances.
> > >
> > > In a decade we can look back and know what all this was about.
> > > Too bad
> > > we can't see into the future.
> > >
> > > Lisa Guidarini
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fred Beisser [mailto:fredbeisser at mesanetworks.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:16 PM
> > > To: publib at webjunction.org
> > >
> > > Cc: Diedre Conkling
> > > Subject: Re: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights
> > >
> > >
> > > I would suggest that everyone also read the info at
> > > http://tinyurl.com/ly6bzk which compares what is said by the
> > > Prez versus
> > >
> > > what others around him are saying.....not the same words so they
> > > must be
> > >
> > > on two different pages.
> > >
> > > As a last resort to get to the truth of what "America's
> > > Affordable
> > > Health Choices Act of 2009" (H.R. 3200) really will do, read the
> > > text at
> > >
> > > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3200:
> > >
> > > And regarding 1st Amendment infringement, read the item at
> > > http://tinyurl.com/nynzzq .
> > >
> > > Enjoy!!
> > >
> > > Fred Beisser
> > >
> > > Diedre Conkling wrote:
> > > > The link contributed is a good one and gives more information
> > > on the
> > > > issue. I hope that, as librarians, you are interested in
> > > finding out
> > >
> > > > the facts and more complete information and will click on the
> > > link.
> > > >
> > > > As far as health care issues go, and other political issue, I
> > > find it
> > > > helpful to look at http://www.factcheck.org/ . They seem to
> > > do a fair
> > >
> > > > job saying what is true, what is a bit of a stretch and what
> > > is false.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Lisa Guidarini
> > > <lguidarini at aapld.org
> > > > <mailto:lguidarini at aapld.org>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From White House blog
> > > > (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
> > > ):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance
> > > reform
> > > > out there, spanning from control of personal finances to
> > > end of
> > > > life care. These rumors often travel just below the
> > > surface via
> > > > chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we
> > > can't keep
> > > > track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking
> > > for
> > > > your help. If you get an email or see something on the web
> > > about
> > > > health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to
> > > > flag at whitehouse.gov <mailto:flag at whitehouse.gov> ."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thought police?
> > > >
> > > > If this is repugnant to you, please flood the email
> > > address above
> > > > with:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Subject*: 1^st Amendment of Our Constitution
> > > >
> > > > *Amendment 1** - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
> > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#exp>.
> > > Ratified
> > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html#BoR>
> > > 12/15/1791.*
> > > > //Note
> > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#Am1>//
> > > >
> > > > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
> > > > religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
> > > abridging
> > > > the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
> > > the people
> > > > peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
> > > a
> > > > redress
> > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#REDRESS> of
> > > > grievances.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Guidarini
> > > >
> > > > Adult Program Coordinator
> > > >
> > > > Algonquin Area Public Library District
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Diedre Conkling
> > > > Lincoln County Library District
> > > > P.O. Box 2027
> > > > Newport, OR 97365
> > > > Work phone & fax: 541-265-3066
> > > > Work email: diedre at beachbooks.org
> > > <mailto:diedre at beachbooks.org>
> > > > Home email: diedre08 at gmail.com <mailto:diedre08 at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > >
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