[Publib] 1st Amendment Rights

Wed Aug 5 19:50:24 EDT 2009

I sincerely hope you're right. You and all the dissenters. I voted for
Barack Obama. I didn't have to tell you that, but I will. I hated Bush
with a passion, and cheered when Obama won. I was proud a black man won
the presidency. But the thing is, it's not just the color that matters.
It's the person. Color is moot in and of itself.

And three more words I know well, because I live here and so did Obama:
Chicago. Machine. Politics. We've seen it all and then some.

I hope in a year or two we're able to have this same discussion, with
both sides heated, without repercussions. I would gladly be wrong, but
I'm equally grateful we're able to disagree.

And you can't "refute" my friends. Their stories are true. You may be
able to compare your experience, which is still way better than waiting
six entire months, but you can't say their experiences didn't happen. 

Lisa Guidarini

-----Original Message-----
From: deisert at att.net [mailto:deisert at att.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:17 PM
To: Lisa Guidarini
Subject: Re: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights

People die in the US because they can't afford to pay for procedures.
Don't even think of what happens if you lose your job in the US and have
a chronic disease. I can trot out friends to refute your friends. 

Rather than scream at each other,  let's do the research. What are
morbidity/mortality stats US -type system vs. single payer "socialist"
systems. Who has the better results for infant mortality/end of life
care?

Honestly,  I think (as a former medical librarian) that you may be
surprised. 

Oh, and btw, when I needed an MRI in an area with two medical schools,
I waited a month and a half. In the US. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Lisa Guidarini" <lguidarini at aapld.org>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:06:52 
To: <gpate at cedarcountylibrary.org>; Fred
Beisser<fredbeisser at mesanetworks.net>
Cc: <publib at webjunction.org>
Subject: RE: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights

Amen.

Socialized health care is hell. I know so many in Britain who've waited
literal months to get in for simple MRIs. Right now most of us here
could get in tomorrow. I have a friend with a septic wound who waited
months for antibiotics. She was in agonizing pain, but no matter to the
British government. And it goes on and on. People die waiting for health
care under socialism.

We don't even take care of our veterans here. Their conditions are also
hellish. How can a government who sells trillions of dollars of our debt
to China even consider government health care? Who'll pay for it? China
already considers us a debt risk. Deficit neutral??? HA! Sure. 

The government is out of control. If nothing else, they need to stop
hurrying bills through. Let our representatives read them. That doesn't
seem too much to ask.

And, most senators are LAWYERS. I don't want to hear the "legalese"
argument.

Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: gpate at cedarcountylibrary.org [mailto:gpate at cedarcountylibrary.org]

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:53 PM
To: Fred Beisser
Cc: Lisa Guidarini; publib at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [Publib] 1st Amendment Rights

Or the Shah's secret police....
Glenda
"Fear God and Take Your Own Part"--part of the masthead of the early
editions of the Cedar County Republican

Glenda Pate
Cedar County Library
www.cedarcountylibrary.org

> Right on, Lisa. Smacks of Hitler when Germany's walls seemed to have
> ears during WWII, the KGB in the old Soviet Union and Josef Stalin's
> Russia before that.
>
> Fred Beisser
>
> Lisa Guidarini wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From White House blog
>> (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ ):
>>
>> "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out
>> there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life
care.
>> These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or
>> through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them
>> here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an
>> email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that
>> seems fishy, send it to flag at whitehouse.gov
>> <mailto:flag at whitehouse.gov> ."
>>
>> Thought police?
>>
>> If this is repugnant to you, please flood the email address above
with:
>>
>> *Subject*: 1^st Amendment of Our Constitution
>>
>> *Amendment 1** - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#exp>. Ratified
>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html#BoR> 12/15/1791.*
>> //Note <http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#Am1>//
>>
>> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or
>> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
>> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
>> assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress
>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#REDRESS> of grievances.
>>
>> Lisa Guidarini
>>
>> Adult Program Coordinator
>>
>> Algonquin Area Public Library District
>>
>>
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