[mail] RE: [Publib] Proof of address & photo ID on cards

Thu Aug 9 15:50:45 EDT 2007

Hi everyone,

	My problem would be with the Requirement for a picture. I do not
trust anybody not to keep my records safe from hacking, such as my
fitness center staff deciding to take its file of pictures and
distributing them to other departments of the huge medical complex of
which it is a part, and attaching my picture to my medical file, etc. Or
even mixing them up so that my picture gets replaced by another female
one who is not me. It has happened (and I wish I could cite the article
that discussed it.) I would equate this on the difficulty of someone
being declared dead. Trying to get it fixed would be a nightmare.

	Now I will admit--I did opt in on my church directory. That was
my choice. Nor do I have any problem with my DL picture, or even an
employer photo ID. But while a picture ID may verify you are
you-possibly-it will not verify that you are entitled to service, or if
you are a registered sex offender, or that you are likely to steal or
otherwise lose materials.

		Donna

Donna Cranmer
Technical Services Librarian
Siouxland Libraries
201 N Main Ave
PO Box 7403
Sioux Falls, SD 57117-7403
605-367-8712
dcranmer at siouxfalls.org

-----Original Message-----
From: publib-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:publib-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Diedre Conkling
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:33 PM
To: PUBLIB
Subject: Re: [mail] RE: [Publib] Proof of address & photo ID on cards

You don't consider it a hurdle to have one's picture taken but I do.
Which makes me wonder what the patron view would be since we are in
disagreement.

--
Diedre Conkling

  Lincoln County Library District
  P.O. Box 2027, Newport, OR  97365
  Phone & Fax:  541-265-3066
  http://lcld.library-blogs.net/
  Work:  diedre at beachbooks.org
  Home:  diedrec at charter.net

---- Bishop O'Rourke Library <library at sjcnc.org> wrote: 

=============
It doesn't seem to be creating an unreasonable hurdle if the library
takes 
the picture and does so at the same time that one applies for the
library 
card (just as getting one's picture taken at the DMV isn't really an
extra 
hurdle in getting a license, it's just part of the process).

In a library that wants/needs that added security of photo
identification it 
would seem that putting the picture directly on the library card
alleviates 
a hurdle because then a patron needn't have or carry a picture ID to use
the 
card.

Melissa Martinez
Librarian, Bishop O'Rourke Library
Institute of Catholic Thought
St. John's Catholic Newman Center
Phone: (217) 255-6610
Email: library at sjcnc.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diedre Conkling" <diedrec at charter.net>
To: "PUBLIB" <publib at webjunction.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: [mail] RE: [Publib] Proof of address & photo ID on cards

> Whether or not it is an invasion of privacy it is one more hurdle that
we 
> put up and expect people wanting to use our libraries to jump.  For
all 
> but children, if you what to check a picture ID you could ask to see
their 
> drivers license, picture ID or whatever like stores do.  It was
mentioned 
> earlier that stores do this.  I wanted to add that though stores check
ID 
> they do not require you have a picture taken and put on their card to
have 
> service.  They also don't require and ID if you pay cash.  So the 
> comparison does not totally work.  And I hate adding barriers.  We do
it 
> way too much in our libraries.
>
> --
> Diedre Conkling
>
>  Lincoln County Library District
>  P.O. Box 2027, Newport, OR  97365
>  Phone & Fax:  541-265-3066
>  http://lcld.library-blogs.net/
>  Work:  diedre at beachbooks.org
>  Home:  diedrec at charter.net
>
>
> ---- Bishop O'Rourke Library <library at sjcnc.org> wrote:
>
> =============
> Could someone please further explain how they see photo ID cards as an
> invasion of privacy?
>
> My thought is that my face is out there everyday and constantly being 
> seen,
> so my image isn't private information.  Putting this public
information on 
> a
> card that is kept in my possession raises no concerns for me.
> Like Val, I see it as a reasonable means of loss-prevention.  What am
I
> missing?
>
> Melissa Martinez
> Librarian, Bishop O'Rourke Library
> Institute of Catholic Thought
> St. John's Catholic Newman Center
> Phone: (217) 255-6610
> Email: library at sjcnc.org
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Val Stark" <VStark at quincylibrary.org>
> To: <publib at webjunction.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:39 AM
> Subject: [mail] RE: [Publib] Proof of address & photo ID on cards
>
>
> I see a photo ID on a library card as a protection, not an invasion.
> I'm ok with the clerk in the store who asks for ID when scanning my
> credit/debit card, etc.  I'm ok with a health center not wanting their
> membership cards borrowed by someone who isn't paying the membership
> fee.  I'm ok with the video store who asks for my drivers license
before
> charging movies to my account.
>
> We had an incident last summer with a child who lost his card, didn't
> report it (yes, it is the parent/patron's responsibility to do so) and
> we lost $600 worth of material. If the face in the photo and the face
in
> front of us hadn't matched, we wouldn't have checked out on that card.
>
> We do require proof of address & photo ID. Unfortunately, there are
> people out there who lie to us by claiming children not their own for
> the purpose of using that card because they have fines on their own
> cards.
>
> This is the world we live in and the few who aren't honest, make it
> difficult for the majority who are honest.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Val Stark
>
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