[ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
Sharon A. Sample
samplsh at quincy.edu
Thu Oct 29 12:57:53 EDT 2009
I appreciate this discourse tremendously.
However, if the chapter is more than 10% of that particular book, it
more than likely violates copyright. If there happens to be a very
specific clause in the verso/bibliographic information stating that
under no circumstance is the book's contents to be duplicated, then we
still honor that statement. Therefore, if someone requests a book
chapter from us, get prepared to receive the book, unless the citation
fits within the guidelines of copyright and "Fair Use" (not abuse).
Respectively, I just received such a request from a faculty member this
morning and because the book is only a year old and the chapter was
rather lengthy, compared to the total page count, I submitted a book
request.
Often times, our patrons submit such requests by mistake, as they
believe it to be a journal article. It is the professional staff
member's job to make sure that they are not jeopardizing the
institution's reputation or even possibly leading them into litigation
because the requestor is unaware of the parameters.
Finally, saying "No" does not tell the seeker anything other than you
are unwilling to fill that request. When you, the borrowing institution,
is refused from the entire string with a simple No response, what do you
do...resubmit? That wastes time and the patron has to wait even longer
for what they want. Why not put the responsibility on the patron as to
what they do with the information? Perhaps, if you get the whole book
faster than you would waiting for the chapter, then we have all killed
less trees while saving frustration. Why not reply to request with
"Conditional" accompanied by appropriate options?
Just my two cents worth. Please spare the negative comments/responses
and accept my thoughts as presented with the other side of the coin in
mind.
Sharon A. Sample, MLIS, MED
Access Services and Serials Librarian
Brenner Library-Quincy University
1800 College Avenue
Quincy, IL 62301-2699
samplsh at quincy.edu
217-228-5347
Research means that you don't know, but are willing to find out.
- Charles F. Kettering
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1. BOOK CHAPTERS (Breedlove, W Stephen)
2. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Joe Ellison)
3. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Sara Fitzpatrick)
4. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS ( Peterson, Kim A.)
5. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Robinson, Arthur )
6. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Britt, Kathy)
7. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Jacobs, Tom)
8. Searching for an ERIC document (Eastman, Carrie)
9. Re: Searching for an ERIC document (Lori Wedig)
10. Help with Book (Penny_Reynolds at uttyler.edu)
11. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Melissa Jackson)
12. Re: Searching for an ERIC document (Eastman, Carrie)
13. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Gutekanst, Joe)
14. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Brian Miller)
15. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Andrea Craley)
16. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Document Delivery)
17. Rental of CD's? (Congdon, Susan R [LIB])
18. Help with "China Economic Journal" article request (Hilary Barnes)
19. Eos:Commentarii Societatis Philologae Polonorum (Tobias, Betty)
20. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Campbell, Heather)
21. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Harlene Hansen)
22. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Joe Ellison)
23. Help with a citation from Art Quarterly (Eastman, Carrie)
24. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Paul B. Drake)
25. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Ellingson, Margaret W)
26. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Robyn Clark-Bridges)
27. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Document Delivery)
28. Re: Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
(Newman, Lorna (newmanla))
29. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Robinson, Arthur )
30. Icg ariel server down (Auriene, Patricia J.)
31. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Mulvey, Dan)
32. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Markley, Patricia)
33. Re: Help with a citation from Art Quarterly (Eastman, Carrie)
34. Re: BOOK CHAPTERS (Sara Fitzpatrick)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:19:51 -0400
From: "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:29:55 -0500
From: "Joe Ellison" <j-ellison at northwestern.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
time,
see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
the
book than scan the chapter.
Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
in
the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
someone
with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
closely
at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
chapter
citation.
I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's handling
the
workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
Joe Ellison
Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
j-ellison at northwestern.edu
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>
> This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
goes:
>
> For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
> request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter
> and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This morning,
we
> received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter. The
> supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will in
turn
> have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
chapter.
> By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
get
> lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and tape
are
> needlessly used.
>
> I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say
NO
> and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
>
> Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and
> UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
rather
> than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
> chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> W. Stephen Breedlove
> Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> La Salle University Library
> breedlov at lasalle.edu
> 215-951-1862
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:35:57 -0500
From: "Sara Fitzpatrick" <sfitzp at webster.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I know we have inadvertently sent a book from time to time when the
borrowing request was for a book chapter. We do prefer to copy and send
the
requested chapter but if things get really busy and/or folks who are not
familiar with ILL pitch in to help, a book may get shuttled in to the
"loan"
pile and get shipped accidentally.
Sara Fitzpatrick
Interlibrary Loan
Webster University Library
Eden-Webster Library System (ELW)
Phone 314-246-7807
Fax 314-968-7113
ill at webster.edu
?
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On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter
and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This morning,
we
received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter. The
supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will in
turn
have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the chapter.
By
sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could get
lost or
damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and tape are
needlessly
used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped,"
but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO and let
the
request go on to the next library who might copy the chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and
UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:33:16 -0500
From: " Peterson, Kim A." <KPeterson at slpl.org>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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When comparing resources categories, our category for staff is always
short. Our category for mailing is not limited. Besides we send USPS
cheapest rate.
In our workflow which is set up for returnables, it's always faster to
send the item. We do not have ILL staff dedicated to making copies.
It's entirely possible that if I costed out copying vs lending, that our
institution's overall expense would be less for copying. But it might
not--we invoice for copies (but do not activily collect on those
invoices.)
But copying is a very small part of our ILL lending business, less than
5%, and it's not worth my time to cost out because I'm not going to
allocate resources any differently for an activity that takes up less
than 5% of our business.
Kim Peterson
St. Louis Public Library
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[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:39:23 -0400
From: "Robinson, Arthur " <arobinson at lagrange.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I've always been puzzled with this. When we lend, we prefer to send a
photocopy of the chapter for the reasons mentioned below and other
reasons, including the fact that if we lend the book, it's not available
to our patrons.
When I have an ILL request for a book chapter, I normally (unless the
lending library loans free but charges for copies) send a "Copy" request
with a Borrowing Note indicating that we'd prefer a copy of pages
xxx-xxy, but they can lend the book if that's more convenient. Nearly
everyone lends the book. If the chapter's 40 pages I understand, but
sometimes the chapter is about six pages.
One case that still annoys me was when we requested a photocopy of a few
pages and the other library sent the book, which got lost in the mail.
Guess who had to pay?
Arthur Robinson (GLG)
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[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joe Ellison
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:30 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
time,
see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
the
book than scan the chapter.
Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
in
the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
someone
with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
closely
at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
chapter
citation.
I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's handling
the
workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
Joe Ellison
Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
j-ellison at northwestern.edu
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>
> This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
goes:
>
> For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
> request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter
> and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This morning,
we
> received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter. The
> supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will in
turn
> have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
chapter.
> By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
get
> lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and tape
are
> needlessly used.
>
> I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say
NO
> and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
>
> Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and
> UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
rather
> than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
> chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> W. Stephen Breedlove
> Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> La Salle University Library
> breedlov at lasalle.edu
> 215-951-1862
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:40:04 -0400
From: "Britt, Kathy" <kbritt at emory.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Stephen,
Have you looked to see how you requested the chapter? As a lender, I
see many non-standard ways that libraries request book chapters. Often,
they will just put the info in the Borrowing Notes, which often get
overlooked.
The best way to request a book chapter is to put the info in the Article
Title field. Also, if you put something (anything) in the Pages, Date &
Volume fields (even if it's just a "?"), ILL management systems such as
ILLiad will import the request as an article. However, if these fields
are blank and you just put the book chapter info in the Borrowing Notes
field, the request will import as a loan.
So, the more you as a borrower can do to make it clear that it is an
article request the better. Utilizing the "article" fields in the
request is the best way to do this.
Hope this helps,
Kathy
EMU ILL Lending Coordinator
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:20 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:53:55 -0600
From: "Jacobs, Tom" <Tom.Jacobs at denverseminary.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I have had many libraries condition me that they charge for copies, and
will send us the book for free. I do think this is odd but at least they
let me have the choice.
Tom
Thomas A. Jacobs
Collection Management Librarian
Denver Seminary
6399 South Santa Fe Drive
Littleton, CO USA 80120
303-762-6956 direct
303-762-6950 fax
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:20 AM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:01:14 -0400
From: "Eastman, Carrie" <Carrie.Eastman at purchase.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Searching for an ERIC document
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Hi,
I cannot seem to find this through WorldCat. Does anyone have this?
The Nature of Work and Problems of Rural Women in Kenya: Implication for
Home Economics.
By Tumuti, Dinah W. (1985)
Eric # ED322455
Thanks,
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
______
Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:38:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lori Wedig <wedigl at uwplatt.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Searching for an ERIC document
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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We have it microfiche format, which we can copy and send to you. Just
send us a request for an article, and I will get sent to you. My symbol
is GZV.
Lori
Lori Wedig
Periodicals/ILL/IML Assistant
wedigl at uwplatt.edu
608-342-1648 phone
608-342-1645 fax
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From: "Carrie Eastman" <Carrie.Eastman at purchase.edu>
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:01:14 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
Central
Subject: [ILL-L] Searching for an ERIC document
Hi,
?
I cannot seem to find this through WorldCat.? Does anyone have this?
?
The Nature of Work and Problems of Rural Women in Kenya: Implication for
Home Economics.
By Tumuti, Dinah W. (1985)
?
Eric # ED322455
?
Thanks,
?
Carrie
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?
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:43:41 -0500
From: <Penny_Reynolds at uttyler.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Help with Book
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Cc: Penny_Reynolds at uttyler.edu
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Would anyone be willing to lend the following item: OCLC# 72763775.
Please let me know what you charge.
Advances in Marketing: Managerial, Pedagogical, Theoretical
William J. Kehoe and Linda K. Whitten
Society for Marketing Advances
Charleottesville, VA
2005
Many thanks,
Penny
Penny Reynolds, Librarian
Circulation & Interlibrary Services Department
University of Texas at Tyler
Robert R. Muntz Library
3900 University Blvd
Tyler, TX 75799
903-566-7396, 7342
Fax: 903-566-7400
Cell: 903-574-0084
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:56:42 -0400
From: "Melissa Jackson" <Melissa.Jackson at armstrong.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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One other reason for lending the book that I haven't seen mentioned here
is gutters. If they are very tight or narrow, we'll send the book
because we can't get a good photocopy or scan. Perhaps the borrowing
library has better copying equipment than we do, or their patron might
be willing to take notes from it. This way they get what they need, and
we get credit for the lend. I thought it was a win-win situation.
Normally we do try to send the chapter, since it is cheaper than sending
the book and arrives faster. But if borrowers would prefer we not send
the book for long chapters or tight gutters, then speak up in the
borrowing notes or the publisher field. In those cases we'll say "NO"
and send it on.
Just my two cents.
Melissa Jackson
ILL Librarian
>>>
From: "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu>
To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Date: 10/28/2009 12:25 PM
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:02:50 -0400
From: "Eastman, Carrie" <Carrie.Eastman at purchase.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Searching for an ERIC document
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Thanks so much for all the replies. The request is in the process of
being filled.
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
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Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
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[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Eastman, Carrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:01 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] Searching for an ERIC document
Hi,
I cannot seem to find this through WorldCat. Does anyone have this?
The Nature of Work and Problems of Rural Women in Kenya: Implication for
Home Economics.
By Tumuti, Dinah W. (1985)
Eric # ED322455
Thanks,
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
______
Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:09:34 -0400
From: "Gutekanst, Joe" <jogutekanst at davidson.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I can certainly understand why some libraries prefer to send the book
and not the copy of the chapter.
However, we try to send our chapter requests to those libraries that we
are fairly certain will send the chapter - not the book. This is, after
all, what the patron would prefer.
If part of the "raison d'?tre" of ILL lending depts. everywhere is to
encourage borrowing libraries to order from them (as opposed to ordering
from other lending libraries), then those same ILL lending depts. should
be aware that lending books instead of copying chapters does indeed
encourage borrowing libraries to not order from them for chapter copy
requests.
My two cents.
Joe
Joe Gutekanst
Interlibrary Loan
Davidson College Library
Davidson, NC
704-894-2159
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:57 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
One other reason for lending the book that I haven't seen mentioned here
is gutters. If they are very tight or narrow, we'll send the book
because we can't get a good photocopy or scan. Perhaps the borrowing
library has better copying equipment than we do, or their patron might
be willing to take notes from it. This way they get what they need, and
we get credit for the lend. I thought it was a win-win situation.
Normally we do try to send the chapter, since it is cheaper than sending
the book and arrives faster. But if borrowers would prefer we not send
the book for long chapters or tight gutters, then speak up in the
borrowing notes or the publisher field. In those cases we'll say "NO"
and send it on.
Just my two cents.
Melissa Jackson
ILL Librarian
>>>
From: "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu>
To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Date: 10/28/2009 12:25 PM
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:25:14 -0400
From: Brian Miller <miller.2507 at osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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If the borrowing library sends the ILL request as a copies request
(i.e. it has an article author, article title, pages numbers, etc) but
the lender sends the entire book as a loan, do you feel the borrowing
library should be responsible for replacement costs in the event the
book was lost in the mail even though they never asked for a loan?
If an article is extremely long, if a satisfactory scan is impossible
because of text in the gutter, or if a color scan is too huge or not
faithful to the original, I'd be inclined to conditional the borrower
and get permission to turn the request into a loan before sending.
That way the borrower can decide if they want to take responsibility
for a loan or choose to ask another lender who might be more willing
or able to make a copies scan.
-Brian/OSU
At 12:39 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
>I've always been puzzled with this. When we lend, we prefer to send a
>photocopy of the chapter for the reasons mentioned below and other
>reasons, including the fact that if we lend the book, it's not
available
>to our patrons.
>
>When I have an ILL request for a book chapter, I normally (unless the
>lending library loans free but charges for copies) send a "Copy"
request
>with a Borrowing Note indicating that we'd prefer a copy of pages
>xxx-xxy, but they can lend the book if that's more convenient. Nearly
>everyone lends the book. If the chapter's 40 pages I understand, but
>sometimes the chapter is about six pages.
>
>One case that still annoys me was when we requested a photocopy of a
few
>pages and the other library sent the book, which got lost in the mail.
>Guess who had to pay?
>
>Arthur Robinson (GLG)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joe Ellison
>Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
>Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
>time,
>see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
>the
>book than scan the chapter.
>
>Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
>in
>the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
>someone
>with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
>closely
>at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
>chapter
>citation.
>
>I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's
handling
>the
>workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
>
>Joe Ellison
>Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
>Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
>1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
>voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
>j-ellison at northwestern.edu
>http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> > On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> > To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> > Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
> >
> >
> > This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
>goes:
> >
> > For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives
a
> > request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
>chapter
> > and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning,
>we
> > received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter.
The
> > supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will
in
>turn
> > have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
>chapter.
> > By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
>get
> > lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and
tape
>are
> > needlessly used.
> >
> > I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> > "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just
say
>NO
> > and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
>chapter.
> >
> > Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as
postage
>and
> > UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> > possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
>rather
> > than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying
a
> > chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > W. Stephen Breedlove
> > Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> > La Salle University Library
> > breedlov at lasalle.edu
> > 215-951-1862
> >
> >
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:27:31 -0400
From: "Andrea Craley" <ACraley at Harford.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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October 28, 2009
Hi there,
Our situation is very similar to what Melissa Jackson posts and I agree.
We'll send the book rather than make copy of chapters, due to our
equipment and limited staff. Two of us do ILL here - I do borrowing and
a colleague does lending. We have no student workers in ILL. Both myself
and my colleague wear several other hats in addition to ILL, as I know
many staff do in other libraries.
I agree with using the borrowing notes field - if you specifically do
not want the book lent, put it in the borrowing notes field. Then we'll
say "NO" and let it go on to another holding. Otherwise, we'll send the
whole book due to time and equipment restraints.
Just my two cents as well.
Andie Craley
Harford Community College Library ILL (HAR)
Andie Craley, MS/ILS
Library Technician - Specialist IV
Government Documents
Interlibrary Loan Borrowing Contact
Harford Community College Library
401 Thomas Run Road
Bel Air, MD 21015-1698
NEW PHONE: (443)-412-2042
NEW FAX: (443)-412-2137
EMAIL: acraley at harford.edu
>>> "Melissa Jackson" <Melissa.Jackson at armstrong.edu> 10/28/2009 1:56 PM
>>>
One other reason for lending the book that I haven't seen mentioned here
is gutters. If they are very tight or narrow, we'll send the book
because we can't get a good photocopy or scan. Perhaps the borrowing
library has better copying equipment than we do, or their patron might
be willing to take notes from it. This way they get what they need, and
we get credit for the lend. I thought it was a win-win situation.
Normally we do try to send the chapter, since it is cheaper than sending
the book and arrives faster. But if borrowers would prefer we not send
the book for long chapters or tight gutters, then speak up in the
borrowing notes or the publisher field. In those cases we'll say "NO"
and send it on.
Just my two cents.
Melissa Jackson
ILL Librarian
>>>
From: "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu>
To:"ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Date: 10/28/2009 12:25 PM
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:40:49 -0400
From: Document Delivery <DocDelivery at iona.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I agree, but we see this sometimes also,
Ed Helmrich
Iona College
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:20 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:03:14 -0500
From: "Congdon, Susan R [LIB]" <scongdon at iastate.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Rental of CD's?
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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We are aware of, and use Netflix for rental of DVD's.
Is anyone aware of a company that rents CD's in a similar manner?
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:12:39 -0700
From: "Hilary Barnes" <HBarnes at cityu.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Help with "China Economic Journal" article request
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Hello- we'd appreciate help with this title. (By all appearances largely
available in databases and deflected or embargoed.)
We are a free lender/LVIS, and our maximum charge is $10. 00.
Thanks!
Author: LI, Hongyi
Title: China economic journal
ISSN: 1753-8971
Imprint: Abingdon : Taylor and Francis 2008 9999
Article: "The myth of a booming town: a two-sector model of Macau
economic growth."
Volume: 2
Number: 2
Date: 20090701
Pages: 187
On behalf of interlibrary loan, thank you-
Hilary A. Barnes
Library Technician
CityUniversity
of Seattle
Phone: 425-709-3451
Fax: 425-709-3455
hbarnes at CityU.edu <mailto:hbarnes at cityu.edu>
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:17:11 -0400
From: "Tobias, Betty" <btobias at richmond.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Eos:Commentarii Societatis Philologae Polonorum
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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A patron wishes an article from vol. 82 #2 1994 pages 221-250.
The ISSN is 0012-7825, but I cannot locate any record on World Cat.
It appears to be a Polish publication which may be the problem
Any assistance is appreciated.
VRU can pay up to $25 IFM or invoiced for the article.
Betty Tobias
ILL Library Associate
Boatwright Library
University of Richmond
Richmond, VA 23173
804-289-8787
btobias at richmond.edu
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:37:20 -0400
From: "Campbell, Heather" <HEATHERC at coj.net>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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We encourage our Genealogy customers to ask for photocopies rather than
the whole often-not-loaned Genealogy book. There are times when we get
the whole book- not the photocopy we asked for. And -more often than
not- the book is only staying together out of habit and trying to break
that habit. We make the book In Library Use Only. If the book is in very
fragile condition (we've gotten some that were crumbling away), we'll
send it back. And-yes- we would get charged for the book if the book was
lost.
Now- with my lender hat on- we get asked for all sorts of things that
come in on the Photocopy form- DVDs, audios, books that will be
published in 2010, and books. I know in ILLiad, it's very easy to
submit a request using the wrong form because ILLiad defaults to the
photocopy form. Now- are these libraries asking me to help them violate
copyright by copying the DVD, audio, or entire book? Are they trying to
circumvent deflections? I think they just used the wrong form. I know a
case where I received 5 requests to copy 5 different chapters from the
same library for the same book- over half the book- from a borrower. We
loaned the book. The ILL librarian was unaware that the requests had
been made.
Keeping in mind the information I've read here along with the staffing
issues and copy limits, I'll now conditional no to chapter requests that
exceed our copy limits instead of loaning the book. Though- honestly-
in all the time I've been doing ILL, I've only had one library complain
about the loans.
Heather Campbell, Senior Librarian
Manager- Interlibrary Loan
Jacksonville Public Library (JPL)
303 North Laura Street
Jacksonville, FL 32202-3505 heatherc at coj.net (904) 630-2986
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I agree, but we see this sometimes also,
Ed Helmrich
Iona College
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To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:46:29 -0500
From: "Harlene Hansen" <hhansen at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I'm glad to see this discussion. I have always been told that we send
the book because of copyright restrictions.
It is definitely cheaper to send the chapter via Ariel than mail the
book. Does no one else see the copyright side of this?
Harlene Hansen, Reference Assistant
(319) 399-8016
Stewart Memorial Library
Coe College
1220 First Avenue NE
hhansen at coe.edu
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52402
Direct: (319) 399-8016
>>> "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu> 10/28/2009 11:19 AM
>>>
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:58 -0500
From: "Joe Ellison" <j-ellison at northwestern.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
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One thing I've learned in every copyright workshop I've been to is that
copyright is the concern of the borrower, not the lender. If they
request
one chapter, they can in good faith mark CCG. If they request multiple
chapters, they can mark CCL and pay copyright royalties through one of
the
usual channels.
Joe Ellison
Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
j-ellison at northwestern.edu
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
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On Behalf Of Harlene Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:46 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
I'm glad to see this discussion. I have always been told that we send
the
book because of copyright restrictions.
It is definitely cheaper to send the chapter via Ariel than mail the
book.
Does no one else see the copyright side of this?
Harlene Hansen, Reference Assistant
(319) 399-8016
Stewart Memorial Library
Coe College
1220 First Avenue NE
hhansen at coe.edu
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52402
Direct: (319) 399-8016
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:28:05 -0400
From: "Eastman, Carrie" <Carrie.Eastman at purchase.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Hi,
This citation came out of Art Bibliographies Modern database and I
cannot seem to find a good OCLC record to use. The one I am using,
1514304, does not seem to go up to 2004. As a result I have yet to fill
the request. Here is the citation:
Smee, Sebastian. "Painting with Light." Art quarterly. Winter (2004):
34-39.
ISSN: 0967-4349
Does anyone have a better OCLC record than what I have found so far?
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
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Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
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Purchase, NY 10577
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:03:19 +1000 (ChST)
From: "Paul B. Drake" <pdrake at uguam.uog.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Cc: moses at uguam.uog.edu
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This issue of book chapter copies versus book loan came up yesterday
here.
I plan to promote it strongly here for several reasons.
Being almost 6,000 miles from California, it makes a big difference to
us
whether a chapter copy is electronically sent versus the shipping of the
book. Besides the shipping costs others face, it can take 1 month to 6
weeks to receive if sent book rate. We are in a different U.S. custom
zone, so lenders have to complete custom forms.
When I worked elsewhere (i.e. mainland US), I always put ""<<ONLY NEED
COPY OF 1 CHAPTER>>" on the title field.
When providing service to distance learners, loan of the book doesn't
complete the request.
As we develop this delivery option for us, we will probably add DO NOT
MAIL or maybe using Nancy Reagan's famous quote, JUST SAY NO IF CAN'T
PROVIDE COPY
We will pay any copyright fees, but hope to stay within fair use.
Paul B. Drake, User Services & Document Delivery Librarian
University of Guam/Unibetsedat Guahan
Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Library
Tan Siu Lin Building
UOG Station
Mangilao, Guam 96923-0117 USA
Tel: (671) 735-2345; Fax: (671) 734-6882
OCLC:UGU;Docline:GUUUGU
pdrake at uguam.uog.edu
On Thu, October 29, 2009 4:09 am, Gutekanst, Joe wrote:
> I can certainly understand why some libraries prefer to send the book
and
> not the copy of the chapter.
> However, we try to send our chapter requests to those libraries that
we
> are fairly certain will send the chapter - not the book. This is,
after
> all, what the patron would prefer.
>
> If part of the "raison d'?tre" of ILL lending depts. everywhere is to
> encourage borrowing libraries to order from them (as opposed to
ordering
> from other lending libraries), then those same ILL lending depts.
should
> be aware that lending books instead of copying chapters does indeed
> encourage borrowing libraries to not order from them for chapter copy
> requests.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Joe Gutekanst
> Interlibrary Loan
> Davidson College Library
> Davidson, NC
> 704-894-2159
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:57 PM
> To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
> One other reason for lending the book that I haven't seen mentioned
here
> is gutters. If they are very tight or narrow, we'll send the book
because
> we can't get a good photocopy or scan. Perhaps the borrowing library
has
> better copying equipment than we do, or their patron might be willing
to
> take notes from it. This way they get what they need, and we get
credit
> for the lend. I thought it was a win-win situation.
>
> Normally we do try to send the chapter, since it is cheaper than
sending
> the book and arrives faster. But if borrowers would prefer we not
send
> the book for long chapters or tight gutters, then speak up in the
> borrowing notes or the publisher field. In those cases we'll say "NO"
and
> send it on.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Melissa Jackson
> ILL Librarian
>
>
>>>>
> From: "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu>
> To: "ill-l at webjunction.org" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
> Date: 10/28/2009 12:25 PM
> Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>
> This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
goes:
>
> For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
> request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter
> and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This morning,
we
> received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter. The
> supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will in
turn
> have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
chapter.
> By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
get
> lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and tape
are
> needlessly used.
>
> I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say
NO
> and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
>
> Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and
> UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
rather
> than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
> chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> W. Stephen Breedlove
> Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> La Salle University Library
> breedlov at lasalle.edu
> 215-951-1862
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:52:25 -0400
From: "Ellingson, Margaret W" <libmgw at emory.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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There is nothing in US copyright law that prohibits the copying of a
small portion of a book, e.g. a chapter, for the non-profit use of a
requester. It's analogous to copying an article from a journal and both
kinds of copies are explicitly OK for libraries to make. The relevant
section of copyright law (other than 107, Fair Use) is 108(d), which
reads (emphasis added):
108 (d) The rights of reproduction and distribution under this section
apply to a copy, made from the collection of a library or archives where
the user makes his or her request or from that of another library or
archives, of no more than one article or other contribution to a
copyrighted collection or periodical issue, or to a copy or phonorecord
of a small part of any other copyrighted work, if -
(1) the copy or phonorecord becomes the property of the user, and the
library or archives has had no notice that the copy or phonorecord would
be used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or
research; and
(2) the library or archives displays prominently, at the place where
orders are accepted, and includes on its order form, a warning of
copyright in accordance with requirements that the Register of
Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation.
The next section, 108(e), goes even further, allowing the reproduction
of much or all of an entire work under certain circumstances:
108(e) The rights of reproduction and distribution under this section
apply to the entire work, or to a substantial part of it, made from the
collection of a library or archives where the user makes his or her
request or from that of another library or archives, if the library or
archives has first determined, on the basis of a reasonable
investigation, that a copy or phonorecord of the copyrighted work cannot
be obtained at a fair price, if -
(1) the copy or phonorecord becomes the property of the user, and the
library or archives has had no notice that the copy or phonorecord would
be used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or
research; and
(2) the library or archives displays prominently, at the place where
orders are accepted, and includes on its order form, a warning of
copyright in accordance with requirements that the Register of
Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation.
All of Section 108 (& the entire copyright law, for that matter) is
available at http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108.
Hope this helps!
Margaret Ellingson
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Harlene Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:46 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
I'm glad to see this discussion. I have always been told that we send
the book because of copyright restrictions.
It is definitely cheaper to send the chapter via Ariel than mail the
book. Does no one else see the copyright side of this?
Harlene Hansen, Reference Assistant
(319) 399-8016
Stewart Memorial Library
Coe College
1220 First Avenue NE
hhansen at coe.edu
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52402
Direct: (319) 399-8016
>>> "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu> 10/28/2009 11:19 AM
>>>
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:25:21 -0500
From: Robyn Clark-Bridges <mountmercyill at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I've worked in four private college libraries & one public library. One
of
these five libraries had a policy of only sending books vs. chapters
(this
same library has not changed policy almost 30 years later)...part of the
director's rationale three decades ago was copyright; however, he also
believed that the patron might find other sections of the same book
helpful
beyond the single chapter requested. From what I've seen, the libraries
who
continue to lend books vs. chapters do so for staffing reasons (limited
time
for making/sending copies)...or it's an unintentional mistake...OR they
haven't re-examined an old policy handed down from the past (this last
seems to happen more frequently if a library is entrenched--i.e., very
little turnover in staffing).
We honor pages vs. book requests; sometimes, our student workers make a
mistake & send the book instead. When we receive a book from someone
after
we've requested only a section, we put a sticky note inside for the
patron:
"you requested only xyz pages, but the lender sent the entire book."
MUCH
of the time, the patron is appreciative & DOES use other sections of the
book other than their narrow request. We figure: as long as the lender
spent the $ to send a book to us, we'll give our patron a chance to
explore
other parts in the hopes they can glean "more" for the same research
paper.
We are moving towards a paperless campus, so prefer to send as much in
e-format as possible...this not only reduces our carbon footprint but is
also good stewardship. So far, $ for postage/physical items has not
been an
issue for us in this particular ILL dept....that may change in the
immediate
future, given the economy & everyone's budgets being tightened.
Peace,
Robyn (Clark-Bridges) , MLS
ILL Assc. & PM Supervisor
Library, Mount Mercy College (oclc code: UIW)
Cedar Rapids, IA
work phone: 319-368-6465
fax number: 319-363-9060
work email: rclark at mtmercy.edu
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Breedlove, W Stephen
<breedlov at lasalle.edu
> wrote:
>
> This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
goes:
>
> For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
> request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter
> and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This morning,
we
> received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter. The
> supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will in
turn
> have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
chapter. By
> sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could get
lost or
> damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and tape are
needlessly
> used.
>
> I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped,"
> but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO and let
the
> request go on to the next library who might copy the chapter.
>
> Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and
> UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
rather
> than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
> chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> W. Stephen Breedlove
> Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> La Salle University Library
> breedlov at lasalle.edu
> 215-951-1862
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILL-L mailing list
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:56:18 -0400
From: Document Delivery <DocDelivery at iona.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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As far as I understand, the borrower has to worry about copyright, not
the lender. If we fill two articles from the same issue or book for the
same patron, which is very rare, we might put on a note - 'Remember
copyright fee', but it's the borrower's responsiblity, or we might
condition them, but they asked for the article.
Ed Helmrich
Iona College
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On
Behalf Of Harlene Hansen [hhansen at coe.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:46 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
I'm glad to see this discussion. I have always been told that we send
the book because of copyright restrictions.
It is definitely cheaper to send the chapter via Ariel than mail the
book. Does no one else see the copyright side of this?
Harlene Hansen, Reference Assistant
(319) 399-8016
Stewart Memorial Library
Coe College
1220 First Avenue NE
hhansen at coe.edu
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52402
Direct: (319) 399-8016
>>> "Breedlove, W Stephen" <breedlov at lasalle.edu> 10/28/2009 11:19 AM
>>>
This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here goes:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives a
request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
chapter and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning, we received a book from which we requested a ten or so page
chapter. The supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and
we will in turn have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we
copy the chapter. By sending the book rather than copying the chapter,
the book could get lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as
shippers and tape are needlessly used.
I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
"swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just say NO
and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
chapter.
Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as postage
and UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter rather
than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying a
chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
Thoughts?
W. Stephen Breedlove
Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
La Salle University Library
breedlov at lasalle.edu
215-951-1862
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:09:12 -0400
From: "Newman, Lorna (newmanla)" <NEWMANLA at UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<F77335E510DF294E959E48A3C138C48A422EF485C9 at UCMAILBE3.ad.uc.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I believe the full title is:
The Art quarterly of the National Art Collections Fund
OCLC 22760673
Lorna Newman
Head, Interlibrary Services and Government Documents Dept.
Langsam Library
University of Cincinnati
P.O. Box 210033
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0033
513-556-1885
e-mail: lorna.newman at uc.edu<mailto:lorna.newman at uc.edu>
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Eastman, Carrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:28 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
Hi,
This citation came out of Art Bibliographies Modern database and I
cannot seem to find a good OCLC record to use. The one I am using,
1514304, does not seem to go up to 2004. As a result I have yet to fill
the request. Here is the citation:
Smee, Sebastian. "Painting with Light." Art quarterly. Winter (2004):
34-39.
ISSN: 0967-4349
Does anyone have a better OCLC record than what I have found so far?
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
______
Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:15:13 -0400
From: "Robinson, Arthur " <arobinson at lagrange.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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This is a good point. When a patron requests a chapter from a book, and
I suspect other chapters in the book will also be useful, I request the
book. But when anothe rlibrary requests just a chapter, I prefer to
send a copy of the chapter, partly to save on shipping costs (and to
save the other library time), but also to have the book on hand in case
our patrons need it.
Arthur Robinson (GLG)
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:40:10 -0500
From: "Auriene, Patricia J." <pauriene at ben.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Icg ariel server down
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Apologies for cross-posting
Benedictine (ICG) Ariel server went down. We currently do not have a
time frame when it will be restored. We will fill requests by email
(pdf) until it is restored.
Thanks for your patience
Pat
Pat Auriene
Interlibrary Loan Coordinator
Benedictine University (ICG)
5700 College Road
Lisle, IL 60532
630.829.6056
630.960.9451 (fax)
pauriene at ben.edu
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:56:38 -0400
From: "Mulvey, Dan" <mulvey at hws.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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I agree. I don't think the borrower should be liable for lost books if
they never asked for the loan in the first place. I suppose if I was
faced with a replacement invoice in that situation I would pay it in the
interest of good will - but it would smart!
Dan Mulvey (ZEM)
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Brian Miller
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:25 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
If the borrowing library sends the ILL request as a copies request
(i.e. it has an article author, article title, pages numbers, etc) but
the lender sends the entire book as a loan, do you feel the borrowing
library should be responsible for replacement costs in the event the
book was lost in the mail even though they never asked for a loan?
If an article is extremely long, if a satisfactory scan is impossible
because of text in the gutter, or if a color scan is too huge or not
faithful to the original, I'd be inclined to conditional the borrower
and get permission to turn the request into a loan before sending.
That way the borrower can decide if they want to take responsibility
for a loan or choose to ask another lender who might be more willing
or able to make a copies scan.
-Brian/OSU
At 12:39 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
>I've always been puzzled with this. When we lend, we prefer to send a
>photocopy of the chapter for the reasons mentioned below and other
>reasons, including the fact that if we lend the book, it's not
available
>to our patrons.
>
>When I have an ILL request for a book chapter, I normally (unless the
>lending library loans free but charges for copies) send a "Copy"
request
>with a Borrowing Note indicating that we'd prefer a copy of pages
>xxx-xxy, but they can lend the book if that's more convenient. Nearly
>everyone lends the book. If the chapter's 40 pages I understand, but
>sometimes the chapter is about six pages.
>
>One case that still annoys me was when we requested a photocopy of a
few
>pages and the other library sent the book, which got lost in the mail.
>Guess who had to pay?
>
>Arthur Robinson (GLG)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joe Ellison
>Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
>Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
>time,
>see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
>the
>book than scan the chapter.
>
>Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
>in
>the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
>someone
>with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
>closely
>at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
>chapter
>citation.
>
>I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's
handling
>the
>workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
>
>Joe Ellison
>Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
>Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
>1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
>voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
>j-ellison at northwestern.edu
>http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> > On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> > To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> > Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
> >
> >
> > This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
>goes:
> >
> > For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives
a
> > request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
>chapter
> > and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning,
>we
> > received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter.
The
> > supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will
in
>turn
> > have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
>chapter.
> > By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
>get
> > lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and
tape
>are
> > needlessly used.
> >
> > I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> > "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just
say
>NO
> > and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
>chapter.
> >
> > Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as
postage
>and
> > UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> > possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
>rather
> > than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying
a
> > chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > W. Stephen Breedlove
> > Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> > La Salle University Library
> > breedlov at lasalle.edu
> > 215-951-1862
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILL-L mailing list
> > ILL-L at webjunction.org
> > https://lists.webjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/ill-l
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:18:32 -0400
From: "Markley, Patricia" <MARKLEY at siena.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<AFAAB8E9A4040B4987B4889C688E1E0F013088DF6B2C at mb-2.siena.edu>
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As a lending library, if a library requested a book chapter and for some
reason we send the entire book, which was then lost, I would expect the
borrowing library to pay for the book's replacement. If the librarian
at the borrowing library came back with "We shouldn't be liable because
we didn't ask for the loan in the first place," I'd advise him/her to go
elsewhere for interlibrary loans in the future.
As a borrowing library, I feel grateful to a library for sharing its
resources in whatever way is easiest for its staff. Let's remember, the
lending library is doing us a favor. Siena has had to pay for books
that were lost in the mail before they even got to our library -- as ILL
protocol dictates -- when we clearly didn't do anything wrong at all.
We've done that so that libraries don't become reluctant to share their
resources. If borrowing libraries make it risky for other libraries to
lend, interlibrary loan comes to a halt.
Pat Markley
Siena College (VKM)
markley at siena.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Mulvey, Dan
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
I agree. I don't think the borrower should be liable for lost books if
they never asked for the loan in the first place. I suppose if I was
faced with a replacement invoice in that situation I would pay it in the
interest of good will - but it would smart!
Dan Mulvey (ZEM)
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Brian Miller
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:25 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
If the borrowing library sends the ILL request as a copies request
(i.e. it has an article author, article title, pages numbers, etc) but
the lender sends the entire book as a loan, do you feel the borrowing
library should be responsible for replacement costs in the event the
book was lost in the mail even though they never asked for a loan?
If an article is extremely long, if a satisfactory scan is impossible
because of text in the gutter, or if a color scan is too huge or not
faithful to the original, I'd be inclined to conditional the borrower
and get permission to turn the request into a loan before sending.
That way the borrower can decide if they want to take responsibility
for a loan or choose to ask another lender who might be more willing
or able to make a copies scan.
-Brian/OSU
At 12:39 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
>I've always been puzzled with this. When we lend, we prefer to send a
>photocopy of the chapter for the reasons mentioned below and other
>reasons, including the fact that if we lend the book, it's not
available
>to our patrons.
>
>When I have an ILL request for a book chapter, I normally (unless the
>lending library loans free but charges for copies) send a "Copy"
request
>with a Borrowing Note indicating that we'd prefer a copy of pages
>xxx-xxy, but they can lend the book if that's more convenient. Nearly
>everyone lends the book. If the chapter's 40 pages I understand, but
>sometimes the chapter is about six pages.
>
>One case that still annoys me was when we requested a photocopy of a
few
>pages and the other library sent the book, which got lost in the mail.
>Guess who had to pay?
>
>Arthur Robinson (GLG)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joe Ellison
>Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
>Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
>time,
>see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
>the
>book than scan the chapter.
>
>Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
>in
>the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
>someone
>with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
>closely
>at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
>chapter
>citation.
>
>I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's
handling
>the
>workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
>
>Joe Ellison
>Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
>Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
>1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
>voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
>j-ellison at northwestern.edu
>http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> > On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> > To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> > Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
> >
> >
> > This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
>goes:
> >
> > For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives
a
> > request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
>chapter
> > and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning,
>we
> > received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter.
The
> > supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will
in
>turn
> > have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
>chapter.
> > By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
>get
> > lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and
tape
>are
> > needlessly used.
> >
> > I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> > "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just
say
>NO
> > and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
>chapter.
> >
> > Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as
postage
>and
> > UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> > possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
>rather
> > than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying
a
> > chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > W. Stephen Breedlove
> > Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> > La Salle University Library
> > breedlov at lasalle.edu
> > 215-951-1862
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ILL-L mailing list
> > ILL-L at webjunction.org
> > https://lists.webjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/ill-l
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ILL-L mailing list
>ILL-L at webjunction.org
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>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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Ohio State University Interlibrary Services (OSU)
Thompson Library, Room 250A
1858 Neil Ave Mall
Columbus OH 43210
614-688-8456
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:47:30 -0400
From: "Eastman, Carrie" <Carrie.Eastman at purchase.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv' <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<E5F0AAAF5E5FD44F968D09993F81AC8F026DA6D739 at svexchmb01.purchase.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks so much Lorna. This is concurs with information someone else
sent me.
Your help is much appreciated.
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
______
Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Newman, Lorna
(newmanla)
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:09 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
I believe the full title is:
The Art quarterly of the National Art Collections Fund
OCLC 22760673
Lorna Newman
Head, Interlibrary Services and Government Documents Dept.
Langsam Library
University of Cincinnati
P.O. Box 210033
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0033
513-556-1885
e-mail: lorna.newman at uc.edu<mailto:lorna.newman at uc.edu>
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Eastman, Carrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:28 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] Help with a citation from Art Quarterly
Hi,
This citation came out of Art Bibliographies Modern database and I
cannot seem to find a good OCLC record to use. The one I am using,
1514304, does not seem to go up to 2004. As a result I have yet to fill
the request. Here is the citation:
Smee, Sebastian. "Painting with Light." Art quarterly. Winter (2004):
34-39.
ISSN: 0967-4349
Does anyone have a better OCLC record than what I have found so far?
Carrie
________________________________________________________________________
______
Carrie Eastman
Information Services/Interlibrary Loan Librarian
Purchase College Library-SUNY
735 Anderson Hill Rd.
Purchase, NY 10577
914.251.6428
carrie.eastman at purchase.edu<mailto:carrie.eastman at purchase.edu>
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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:51:55 -0500
From: "Sara Fitzpatrick" <sfitzp at webster.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <000d01ca58af$bfc17c10$3f447430$@edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Very good point Pat.
"As a borrowing library, I feel grateful to a library for sharing its
resources in whatever way is easiest for its staff. Let's remember, the
lending library is doing us a favor."
Sara Fitzpatrick
Interlibrary Loan
Webster University Library
Eden-Webster Library System (ELW)
Phone 314-246-7807
Fax 314-968-7113
ill at webster.edu
?
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Markley, Patricia
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
As a lending library, if a library requested a book chapter and for some
reason we send the entire book, which was then lost, I would expect the
borrowing library to pay for the book's replacement. If the librarian
at
the borrowing library came back with "We shouldn't be liable because we
didn't ask for the loan in the first place," I'd advise him/her to go
elsewhere for interlibrary loans in the future.
As a borrowing library, I feel grateful to a library for sharing its
resources in whatever way is easiest for its staff. Let's remember, the
lending library is doing us a favor. Siena has had to pay for books
that
were lost in the mail before they even got to our library -- as ILL
protocol
dictates -- when we clearly didn't do anything wrong at all. We've done
that so that libraries don't become reluctant to share their resources.
If
borrowing libraries make it risky for other libraries to lend,
interlibrary
loan comes to a halt.
Pat Markley
Siena College (VKM)
markley at siena.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Mulvey, Dan
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
I agree. I don't think the borrower should be liable for lost books if
they
never asked for the loan in the first place. I suppose if I was faced
with
a replacement invoice in that situation I would pay it in the interest
of
good will - but it would smart!
Dan Mulvey (ZEM)
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Brian Miller
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:25 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
If the borrowing library sends the ILL request as a copies request
(i.e. it has an article author, article title, pages numbers, etc) but
the lender sends the entire book as a loan, do you feel the borrowing
library should be responsible for replacement costs in the event the
book was lost in the mail even though they never asked for a loan?
If an article is extremely long, if a satisfactory scan is impossible
because of text in the gutter, or if a color scan is too huge or not
faithful to the original, I'd be inclined to conditional the borrower
and get permission to turn the request into a loan before sending.
That way the borrower can decide if they want to take responsibility
for a loan or choose to ask another lender who might be more willing
or able to make a copies scan.
-Brian/OSU
At 12:39 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
>I've always been puzzled with this. When we lend, we prefer to send a
>photocopy of the chapter for the reasons mentioned below and other
>reasons, including the fact that if we lend the book, it's not
available
>to our patrons.
>
>When I have an ILL request for a book chapter, I normally (unless the
>lending library loans free but charges for copies) send a "Copy"
request
>with a Borrowing Note indicating that we'd prefer a copy of pages
>xxx-xxy, but they can lend the book if that's more convenient. Nearly
>everyone lends the book. If the chapter's 40 pages I understand, but
>sometimes the chapter is about six pages.
>
>One case that still annoys me was when we requested a photocopy of a
few
>pages and the other library sent the book, which got lost in the mail.
>Guess who had to pay?
>
>Arthur Robinson (GLG)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Joe Ellison
>Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
>Subject: Re: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
>
>My guess--student assistants, or other people with not quite enough
>time,
>see a book that can circulate, and feel it's faster/easier to send out
>the
>book than scan the chapter.
>
>Another possibility--depending on how the chapter citation was entered
>in
>the request, it may not show up in the ILLiad request screen. Again,
>someone
>with not quite enough time/inclination/whatever to look a bit more
>closely
>at the request will just send the book instead of looking for the
>chapter
>citation.
>
>I agree, it seems wasteful of resources, but depending on who's
handling
>the
>workflow, and how, it may be the faster & easier option for the lender.
>
>Joe Ellison
>Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant
>Transportation Library, Northwestern Univ Library (OCLC = JCR)
>1970 Campus Dr, Evanston, IL 60208-2300
>voice: 847-491-8600, fax: 847-491-8601
>j-ellison at northwestern.edu
>http://www.library.northwestern.edu/transportation/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
>[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
> > On Behalf Of Breedlove, W Stephen
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM
> > To: ill-l at webjunction.org
> > Subject: [ILL-L] BOOK CHAPTERS
> >
> >
> > This issue may have been discussed on this list before. But here
>goes:
> >
> > For the life of me, I cannot understand why a library that receives
a
> > request for a book chapter will send the book rather than scan the
>chapter
> > and send the article through Ariel or Odyssey or email. This
morning,
>we
> > received a book from which we requested a ten or so page chapter.
The
> > supplying library paid UPS fees to send the book to us and we will
in
>turn
> > have to pay UPS fees to send it back to them after we copy the
>chapter.
> > By sending the book rather than copying the chapter, the book could
>get
> > lost or damaged in transit. Plus, supplies such as shippers and
tape
>are
> > needlessly used.
> >
> > I could understand this if a library had no staff to copy or was
> > "swamped," but it seems to me even in these cases they could just
say
>NO
> > and let the request go on to the next library who might copy the
>chapter.
> >
> > Currently, we are operating on a restrictive budget as far as
postage
>and
> > UPS expenses--and supplies--are concerned. We are using every angle
> > possible to keep expenses to a minimum. We always copy a chapter
>rather
> > than send the book, unless the chapter is very, very long. Copying
a
> > chapter is not violating copyright as far as I know.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > W. Stephen Breedlove
> > Reference and Interlibrary Loan Librarian
> > La Salle University Library
> > breedlov at lasalle.edu
> > 215-951-1862
> >
> >
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