[ILL-L] Are you missing a book? This book wants to come
Smith, Marjorie (MSL)
marjories at mt.gov
Tue Feb 12 13:28:06 EST 2008
Keith,
You had my hopes up for a moment there.
The book does not have a barcode, no identifying information on the due date slip envelope, or the sleeve with the CD-Rom in it. At the right top corner of the cover page, in pencil, is written "HF5549.5.T7D75 1998 copy 2". That is all there is to report.
Marjorie Smith
Client Services Assistant - ILL
Montana State Library
1515 East Sixth Ave
PO Box 1800
Helena MT 59620-1800
phone: 406-444-3016
fax: 406-444-0204
email: marjories at mt.gov
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1. RE: Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loandepts.&/or
Libraries/all depts. (Barbara Perkins)
2. ILLAsap will not render on my screen (Keith Palmateer)
3. Local Holding Offline Product Announcement (Myers,Myrtle)
4. RE: Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts.
&/orLibraries/all depts. (Keith Palmateer)
5. RE: Are you missing a book? This book wants to come home.
(Keith Palmateer)
6. Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Bruce Jensen)
7. RE: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Margolin, Amy S.)
8. Re: ILLAsap will not render on my screen (Judd Knight)
9. RE: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Bierma, Lynn)
10. Re: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Glenn Canner)
11. Re: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Mary Lehane)
12. RE: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Campbell, Heather)
13. RE: Entering library code multiple times ~ ? (Margaret Ellingson)
14. Article needed: Discourse studies in the cultural politics of
education (Holly Dankert)
15. Article from New Journal (Connie Neuman)
16. RE: Needed: Justifications for InterlibraryLoandepts.&/or
Libraries/all depts. (Jennifer Correa)
17. OCLC Update: WorldCat Resource Sharing Now Supports IE7
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:31:15 -0800
From: "Barbara Perkins" <BPerkins at pierce.ctc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary
Loandepts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<F6C9CBD7661ECF47B73E8BD2A0709CAE03B33D4E at email.pierce.ctc.edu>
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Good morning Phyllis-
This is the first part of our ILL policy at Pierce College.
"The Interlibrary Loan (ILL) department provides quality service to meet informational needs of users, when local resources do not meet those needs. This is done by requesting material from or supplying material to another library."
Hope this helps.
Barb Perkins
Library Specialist
Pierce College Library
9401 Farwest DR Sw
Lakewood,WA 98498
bperkins at pierce.ctc.edu
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kroupa, Phyllis
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:48 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loandepts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
Hey Jane,
Thanks so much. I could use your second paragraph verbatim & just add student research as well.
So far you're my only respondent; perhaps I should directly email some individuals who are good at this.
Have an excellent weekend,
Phyllis
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jane Thomas
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
Hi Phyllis,
Just off the top of my head, what about all the money the college saves making loans and articles available to faculty, staff, and students at Ft. Lewis College without spending any money to purchase those same books, journals, and databases? Especially since you can get so much for free from all the great libraries in Colorado? ;-) There are some figures floating out there about how much it costs to do ILL per loan, per article, etc., and I bet that even if you added up all the costs of providing ILL, it would come out as way less than it would cost to purchase those same materials.
One library can't be all things to all researchers. A strong Interlibrary Loan department can be a life saver for those faculty whose research interests are not supported by the regular acquisitions budgets.
Just my one cent's worth on a Friday afternoon!
Jane Thomas
ILL & Document Delivery
University of Colorado at Boulder
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kroupa, Phyllis
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:23 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts. &/or Libraries/all depts.
Greetings great folks,
Our director wants to present a proposal to the Administration to reinstate a position in Cataloguing/Tech Svcs & to request a new ? time position for Interlibrary Loan - YES!!! She is asking the staff to offer input wrt the proposal's language, specifically "If anyone would like to provide specific wording making the case relating positions to student and classroom faculty recruitment and retention, it would be very helpful".
For too many years with too little money, the College's policy has been to create positions or fill vacancies only if they fell within those very specific areas. We have also dropped from 2nd to 10th on the list for capital improvements when funds become available. And then we must contend with the myth that libraries are becoming obsolete, especially since it isn't the majority of our students who believe it, but rather those Admin. folk.
I know why ILL is important, but I'm constantly amazed at how many members of our campus community are unaware of its existence! I can also defend the Library as 'center of learning and research' position. I'm just looking for some truly gripping and impressively-expressed rationales. If anyone is feeling creative or has a document stashed for such purposes, I'd be ever-so appreciative of your sharing your valuable resource(s).
It's Friday, a day I either work very late trying to catch up or I focus on certain 'challenges'. I hope many of you are in the latter mode today.
Thanks in advance,
Phyllis
Phyllis Kroupa, ILL
Fort Lewis College - CDF
Reed Library - Interlibrary Loan
1000 Rim Drive
Durango, CO 81301
Courier = C504
Phone - (970) 247-7233
kroupa_p at fortlewis.edu
P.S. Julia, I love your new sign-off from Shari Barr(?). I think I've decided to go with "Hard work never killed anybody." - Some dead guy
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:43:11 -0800
From: "Keith Palmateer" <kpalmate at pcc.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] ILLAsap will not render on my screen
To: "Ill-L" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Shock! I have a problem with my own system. I use ILLAsap to create my ILL
pull slips.
Back in December, my computer decided to stop rendering the resulting XML
pages.
I get the security message that IE has prevented scripts or ActiveX
controls.
If I allow the content, I get a big image of the running mailman icon.
I have looked at the update files for both the system (XP) and office 2003.
I have gone through the registry.
Anyone have an idea (that will be so obvious, that will cause me to crawl
under desk)?
Keith Palmateer <mailto:kpalmate at pcc.edu>
Interlibrary Loan Specialist
Portland Community College
12000 SW 49th Avenue
Portland, OR 97219
503-977-4420
503-977-4103 fax
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:45:47 -0500
From: "Myers,Myrtle" <myersm at oclc.org>
Subject: [ILL-L] Local Holding Offline Product Announcement
To: "UL-L" <UL-L at listalias.prod.oclc.org>, "ill-l"
<ill-l at lists.webjunction.org>, <oclc-cat at oclc.org>
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The Local Holdings Offline Product is now available. Individual
libraries can order a tab delimited file of all of the local holdings
they currently have in WorldCat from the OCLC website at
https://www3.oclc.org/app/lhop/. Once produced the tab delimited file
will be available for download from the Product Services Web
[http://psw.oclc.org/] and can be imported into a spreadsheet package.
If your library has more than 20,000 local holdings records, multiple
files will be provided with up to 20,000 records in each file. There is
no charge for this report.
A Quick Reference guide is available online at
http://www.oclc.org/us/en/support/documentation/localholdings/offlinepro
duct/lhm_offlineproduct_quickref.pdf and covers the order process, how
to download the file, and information on how to import the file into
Microsoft Office Excel. Below is a brief list of the data elements that
will be include in the file.
Myrtle Myers
Product Manager, Holdings & Local Data
>From the bibliographic record:
OCLC Number
Title of Item from the bibliographic record (245 $a)
ISBN/ISSN (020 $a or 022 $a) - the data will be preceded by a label
identifying it as either an ISSN or ISBN
Place of Publication (260 $a & $b)
BLvL - code from the Bibliographic Level element in the bibliographic
record
Form - Code from the Form of Item element in the bibliographic record
SrTp - Code from the Type of Serials element in the bibliographic record
>From the Local Holdings record
LHR Summary - Note: There is only one summary per bibliographic per
institution regardless of the number of LHRs that the library has
attached to the bibliographic record. If a library has multiple LHRs
attached to a single bibliographic record each LHR will appear on a
separate row and the summary field will be repeated in each row.
LHR Leader - Note: Each element from the leader will be preceded by
label that identifies the item. Data will always appear in the same
column for all LHRs in the file.
LHR 007 - Codes from the Physical Description field.
LHR 008 - Codes from the Fixed-Length Data Elements General Information
. The complete set of 32 characters from the 008 will be included.
For ease of sorting, in addition to being included in the complete 008
field, the Lending (008/20) & Reproduction (008/21) policy codes and the
Date of report (008/26-31) will be broken out into separate columns.
LHR 852 (Location) - The field tag, indicators, and all subfields will
be included as they appear in the LHR at the time the data was
extracted. Subfield delimiters will appear as '$'
Holdings Information - Fields from the LHR that describe the library's
holdings including Electronic Location (856) and Holdings Data
(853-878). Each field will be in a separate cell and will include the
field tag, indicators, and all subfields from the field. Repeatable
fields will appear in separate cells (for example if there are two 863
fields each 863 field will appear in a separate cell within the file).
Subfield delimiters will appear as '$' Position of the data will be
dependent of the fields that are contained within the LHR.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:02:42 -0800
From: "Keith Palmateer" <kpalmate at pcc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan
depts. &/orLibraries/all depts.
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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In addition to a previous post about cost, ILL can be used as a tool for
building your collection.
You mat get an occasional request for certain areas. But many similar
requests can point to subject areas that are lacking, or have aged.
I make spread sheets and send them to the Reference staff appoint to a
particular subject.
Some of the article requests lately are supporting the collection
development committee?s argument to subscribe to Jstor.
I am a half .45 FTE ILL position in a school with an annual FTE of 23,000
and an annual headcount of 86,000.
The advertising of the library services has increased dramatically and my
business has increased 300% over the last year.
Good luck
Keith <mailto:kpalmate at pcc.edu> Palmateer
Interlibrary Loan Specialist
Portland Community College
12000 SW 49th Avenue
Portland, OR 97219
503-977-4420
503-977-4103 fax
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Kroupa, Phyllis
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:23 AM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts.
&/orLibraries/all depts.
Greetings great folks,
Our director wants to present a proposal to the Administration to reinstate
a position in Cataloguing/Tech Svcs & to request a new ? time position for
Interlibrary Loan ? YES!!! She is asking the staff to offer input wrt the
proposal?s language, specifically ?If anyone would like to provide specific
wording making the case relating positions to student and classroom faculty
recruitment and retention, it would be very helpful?.
For too many years with too little money, the College?s policy has been to
create positions or fill vacancies only if they fell within those very
specific areas. We have also dropped from 2nd to 10th on the list for
capital improvements when funds become available. And then we must contend
with the myth that libraries are becoming obsolete, especially since it
isn?t the majority of our students who believe it, but rather those Admin.
folk.
I know why ILL is important, but I?m constantly amazed at how many members
of our campus community are unaware of its existence! I can also defend the
Library as ?center of learning and research? position. I?m just looking for
some truly gripping and impressively-expressed rationales. If anyone is
feeling creative or has a document stashed for such purposes, I?d be ever-so
appreciative of your sharing your valuable resource(s).
It?s Friday, a day I either work very late trying to catch up or I focus on
certain ?challenges?. I hope many of you are in the latter mode today.
Thanks in advance,
Phyllis
Phyllis Kroupa, ILL
Fort Lewis College - CDF
Reed Library - Interlibrary Loan
1000 Rim Drive
Durango, CO 81301
Courier = C504
Phone - (970) 247-7233
kroupa_p at fortlewis.edu
P.S. Julia, I love your new sign-off from Shari Barr(?). I think I?ve
decided to go with ?Hard work never killed anybody.? ? Some dead guy
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:07:46 -0800
From: "Keith Palmateer" <kpalmate at pcc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Are you missing a book? This book wants to come
home.
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <006c01c86cd9$014ff720$622298d1 at SYLIB102X4420A>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
What is the barcode? It's a good identifier.
Keith <mailto:kpalmate at pcc.edu> Palmateer
Interlibrary Loan Specialist
Portland Community College
12000 SW 49th Avenue
Portland, OR 97219
503-977-4420
503-977-4103 fax
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Smith, Marjorie (MSL)
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:00 AM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] Are you missing a book? This book wants to come home.
The book titled Web-based training: using technology to design adult
learning experiences by Margaret Driscoll. This book has a CD-Rom included.
The book was dropped in our return book drop by an unknown person. There is
no identifying library information on the book.
The call number is: HF5549.5.T7D75 1998 COPY 2 and an orange circle above
the call number with 700.558 in the circle.
If this happens to be your book, please contact me ONLY at marjories at mt.gov
I will send the book back to you.
Thank you and I hope someone is missing this from their collection.
Marjorie Smith
Client Services Assistant - ILL
Montana State Library
1515 East Sixth Ave
PO Box 1800
Helena MT 59620-1800
phone: 406-444-3016
fax: 406-444-0204
email: marjories at mt.gov
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:42:52 -0600
From: "Bruce Jensen" <rbjensen at southtexascollege.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
Bruce Jensen
Library Services
South Texas College
Ph: 956-872-6420
Fax: 956-872-8398
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
(relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
surrender it up to an ILL request.
Always something new---that's a good thing right?
Lloyd
Lloyd A Peterson
ILL (HRR)
Heartland Regional Library
P.O. Box 231
Vienna, MO 65582
573-422-9866
FAX 573-422-3771
The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:04:01 -0500
From: "Margolin, Amy S." <AMargolin at gcpl.lib.oh.us>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<7C10821B2302D54FABBD648C6C50DF83019B5271 at MAIL.gcpl.lib.oh.us>
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I think these library systems normally need more time to route the
titles from their branches to their ILL offices.
We never update an item until it's actually in hand. I know FBR and DPL
are both larger systems and both request that
their symbol be entered twice. Back in the days of passport I ran a
program that automatically did this, but that's
no longer possible with WCFS. "Enter My Symbol Twice" is not a protocol
supported by OCLC.
amy margolin
resource sharing coordinator
greene county public library
76 e market st
p.o. box 520
xenia, ohio 45385-5200
amargolin at gcpl.lib.oh.us
937-352-4000x1236
www.greenelibrary.info
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From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:43 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
Bruce Jensen
Library Services
South Texas College
Ph: 956-872-6420
Fax: 956-872-8398
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
(relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
surrender it up to an ILL request.
Always something new---that's a good thing right?
Lloyd
Lloyd A Peterson
ILL (HRR)
Heartland Regional Library
P.O. Box 231
Vienna, MO 65582
573-422-9866
FAX 573-422-3771
The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to
southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:14:30 -0600
From: "Judd Knight" <judd.knight at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] ILLAsap will not render on my screen
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID:
<824e98c10802111214k3c67a138t460a1463aa2d6deb at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Keith,
You might need to reset the Active script controls in your IE.
In order to resolve your issue please try the following steps.
1. Open up an Internet Explorer session
2. Click the Tools menu, then Internet Options, then Security tab
3. Click the Trusted Zone option and click the Default Level to reset
things to normal
4. Now, click Custom Level, scroll down to Scripting and under Active
scripting, choose Enable:
Then click OK, then click OK again. Once this has been done close all open
Internet Explorer browser windows then reopen them.
Judd
2008/2/11 Keith Palmateer <kpalmate at pcc.edu>:
> Shock! I have a problem with my own system. I use ILLAsap to create my
> ILL pull slips.
>
> Back in December, my computer decided to stop rendering the resulting XML
> pages.
>
> I get the security message that IE has prevented scripts or ActiveX
> controls.
>
> If I allow the content, I get a big image of the running mailman icon.
>
> I have looked at the update files for both the system (XP) and office
> 2003.
>
> I have gone through the registry.
>
>
>
> Anyone have an idea (that will be so obvious, that will cause me to crawl
> under desk)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith Palmateer <kpalmate at pcc.edu>
>
> Interlibrary Loan Specialist
>
> Portland Community College
>
> 12000 SW 49th Avenue
>
> Portland, OR 97219
>
>
>
> 503-977-4420
>
> 503-977-4103 fax
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ILL-L mailing list
> ILL-L at webjunction.org
> http://lists.webjunction.org/mailman/listinfo/ill-l
>
>
--
Judd Knight
Clio Software Support
(817) 726-3475
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:26:57 -0600
From: "Bierma, Lynn" <LBierma at ILSOS.NET>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
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Some time ago OCLC, responding to libraries requests, had a formal "Enter my symbol twice" list. These were libraries that didn't feel they had enough time to respond to their requests in the 4 working days allowed by OCLC (perhaps due to lack of staff and/or volume of requests received).
Libraries that want you to enter their symbol 3 to 5 times do so for any number of reasons. I believe they typically find that 8 days isn't enough time to answer all their reqeusts, or the library might be a county-wide library with several branches, and the ILL is handled by the main branch. Recently I sent an OCLC request to a government library in Canada that attempted to get an item for me directly from the governmental agency that published it (the first round of requests came back as "unfilled" from the two libraries that owned it..both in Canada). They asked that I enter their symbol 5 times, to give them enough time to track the item down. I'm pleased to say they were able to send both requested items, although it took a little longer than normal. I noticed the * next to the symbol moved to the 3rd position before they responded on one, and the 4th position for the second item.
Lynn Bierma
Interlibrary Loan Operations Coordinator
Room 219
IL State Library
300 S. 2nd Street
Springfield, IL, 62701
lbierma at ilsos.net
PHONE: 217-558-1928
FAX: 217-782-4446
Jesse White, Secretary of State and State Librarian
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
Bruce Jensen
Library Services
South Texas College
Ph: 956-872-6420
Fax: 956-872-8398
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
(relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
surrender it up to an ILL request.
Always something new---that's a good thing right?
Lloyd
Lloyd A Peterson
ILL (HRR)
Heartland Regional Library
P.O. Box 231
Vienna, MO 65582
573-422-9866
FAX 573-422-3771
The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:52:09 -0500
From: Glenn Canner <gcanner at gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <dc98c1acd78f.47b06f29 at gwu.edu>
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Bruce,
This is just a way for the lending library to be given extra time to respond to requests. It's often preferred by libraries with very large collections and/or many branches. Each time a symbol is listed in the lender string, the lending library has four days to respond, so entering a symbol twice allows eight days, and five times allows 20 days.
Sue Gagnon at Saint Anselm College maintains a list of the Enter-My-Symbol-Twice (EMST) Libraries at:
http://www.anselm.edu/Library/EMST.html
Best,
Glenn Canner
Manager of Resource Sharing and Course Reserves
Gelman Library
George Washington University
2130 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20052
(202) 994-0629 voice
(202) 994-2645 fax
gcanner at gwu.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Jensen <rbjensen at southtexascollege.edu>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:48 pm
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
> Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
> Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
> than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib
> of
> Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
> wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
> wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation
> at
> that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
>
> Bruce Jensen
> Library Services
> South Texas College
> Ph: 956-872-6420
> Fax: 956-872-8398
>
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
> To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
> Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
>
>
> Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
> (relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
> resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
> their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
> only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is
> a
> way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
> surrender it up to an ILL request.
>
> Always something new---that's a good thing right?
> Lloyd
>
> Lloyd A Peterson
> ILL (HRR)
> Heartland Regional Library
> P.O. Box 231
> Vienna, MO 65582
> 573-422-9866
> FAX 573-422-3771
>
>
> The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to
> southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:15:37 -0500
From: Mary Lehane <mlehane at yorku.ca>
Subject: Re: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <47B0BAF9.4070103 at yorku.ca>
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How poignant. It was just about a year ago that Lloyd Peterson (the one
you quote) died suddenly in a car crash. So we've missed his
contributions for some time, and yet, here he is popping up on the list
again (reminding us he's been gone a year now.....).
To answer your question, libraries that have to retrieve books from
various branches, remote storage, etc. need more time to fill requests.
Alternatively, libraries that get a lot of requests and that don't have
enough staff resources may need the extra time. Last week, we lost two
requests to the next lender because our lending volume is so high and we
didn't get the requests retrieved in time. Lloyd's take seems unlikely.
Mary Lehane
Bruce Jensen wrote:
> Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
> Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
> than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
> Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
> wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
> wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
> that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
>
> Bruce Jensen
> Library Services
> South Texas College
> Ph: 956-872-6420
> Fax: 956-872-8398
>
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
> To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
> Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
>
>
> Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
> (relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
> resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
> their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
> only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
> way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
> surrender it up to an ILL request.
>
> Always something new---that's a good thing right?
> Lloyd
>
> Lloyd A Peterson
> ILL (HRR)
> Heartland Regional Library
> P.O. Box 231
> Vienna, MO 65582
> 573-422-9866
> FAX 573-422-3771
>
>
> The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Mary Lehane
Manager, Resource Sharing Department
207 Scott Library, York University
4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M3J 1P3
Phone: (416) 736-5808 Fax: (416)736-5920
Ariel: 130.63.180.22 E-mail: mlehane at yorku.ca <mailto:mlehane at yorku.ca>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:21:19 -0500
From: "Campbell, Heather" <HEATHERC at coj.net>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <1183B2BAF9BE724B85476AAB7B15D8FD03B89997 at EVS2.coj.net>
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We're an EMST (Enter my symbol twice) library. We ask for it to give us
time to get books from our branches. In theory, we have 3 days with us
only once in the queue. In practice, if a request comes to us at 11:59
PM one day and we search it the next morning- we only have 2 days to
fill the request since - to the OCLC computer- that one minute equaled
one day. If the book is available here at Main, that's no problem. BUT
we can't get the materials from a branch to Main that quickly. So, we
ask that you put our symbol in twice so your customers will have the
best chance to get the material from us- whether it's at a branch or
here at Main. Most of the time, we don't need the full time to fill
your request and we give a very generous (60 day) loan period, to boot.
Direct Request protocols don't support EMST; so we conditional the
request where we're only listed once in the Lenders' String to let you
know to check back with us when you re-request it-entering our symbol
twice, of course- and we'll try to fill the request for you. So-
speaking for us and a few more libraries I know of- it's a matter of
logistics not a desire on our part to keep our materials as close to our
side as possible before letting them go off into a cold cruel world.
Our books are adventurous; they're used to travelling to the Snow
Country in the bleak mid-winter.
There are a lot of different types of EMST -for want of a better term-
protocols. Some ask for 3 days to fill a photocopy request but aren't
EMST as far as loans go. Some- like DLC- ask you to fill the string
with their symbol; I am not sure why they ask for all 15 days (or 14
popped into DLC's queue after DLC's ILL office had closed for the day).
I can only give you guesses (some quite entertaining) for why they
require a whole string of their symbol. But, this is their material to
loan and they can call the shots as to under what conditions they'll
loan it. They're well within their rights as the owning library.
Heather Campbell
Special Services ~ Interlibrary Loan and Books By Mail
Jacksonville Public Library
Jacksonville, Florida 32202
ill at coj.net 904-630-2985
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org
[mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:43 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
Bruce Jensen
Library Services
South Texas College
Ph: 956-872-6420
Fax: 956-872-8398
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
(relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
surrender it up to an ILL request.
Always something new---that's a good thing right?
Lloyd
Lloyd A Peterson
ILL (HRR)
Heartland Regional Library
P.O. Box 231
Vienna, MO 65582
573-422-9866
FAX 573-422-3771
The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to
southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:23:59 -0500
From: "Margaret Ellingson" <libmgw at emory.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
To: "'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <00e201c86cf4$6adb34f0$40919ed0$@edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Each time a library's symbol appears in an OCLC lender string gives the
library approx 4 business days to respond to the request. Therefore,
entering a symbol more than once gives the library more time to process your
request. -- Margaret
**************************************************************************
Margaret W. Ellingson EMAIL: margaret.ellingson at emory.edu
Interlibrary Loan/Reference PHONE: 404-727-6893
Woodruff Library FAX: 404-727-0052
Emory University ARIEL: ariel.library.emory.edu
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870 USA OCLC: EMU :: NUC: GEU
**************************************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org]
On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:43 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: [ILL-L] Entering library code multiple times ~ ?
Please forgive me if I missed an explanation for the query raised by Mr.
Peterson (below) about libraries asking that their codes be entered more
than once. We've run into it with a couple libraries this week (Lib of
Congress, for example, asks that you enter them 5x; a local library
wants to always be in there twice) and we in the back room here are now
wasting our time on idle speculation. It is rampant idle speculation at
that. I've searched the list archives with no luck.
Bruce Jensen
Library Services
South Texas College
Ph: 956-872-6420
Fax: 956-872-8398
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:56 AM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: [ILL-L] HCO--enter our library 5 times--sound familiar
Anyone else had this happen to you? I requested a 2006 book
(relatively new) from HCO (Hennepin Co--Minn) they requested that I
resubmit the request in OCLC with HCO entered five times. Checking
their policies they routinely request that you put HCO in twice. My
only theory is that entering our library five times for a new book is a
way to give their patrons maximum access to the book before they
surrender it up to an ILL request.
Always something new---that's a good thing right?
Lloyd
Lloyd A Peterson
ILL (HRR)
Heartland Regional Library
P.O. Box 231
Vienna, MO 65582
573-422-9866
FAX 573-422-3771
The South Texas College domain name has changed from stcc.cc.tx.us to
southtexascollege.edu. Please update your contact list.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:39:24 -0600
From: Holly Dankert <hdankert at saic.edu>
Subject: [ILL-L] Article needed: Discourse studies in the cultural
politics of education
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <20080211223924.DAD4A68878B at pixie.artic.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Hi all,
I'm trying to get a copy of an article from a journal that is an
Internet source ONLY in OCLC. Our previous 10 requests have been
autodeflected away since it's an electronic source. Is any one who
subscribes to this willing to loan to us? If so Please send me your 3
letter code and I'll put in the request.
Here's the citation:
OCLC Number:49633517
Author:Davies, Julia
Title:Discourse studies in the cultural politics of education.
ISSN:1469-3739
Imprint:[London] : Carfax 1980 9999
Article:Display, identity, and the everyday: self-presentation
through online image sharing
Volume:28
Number:4
Date:Dec 2007
Pages:549-564
Patron: Joey Orr
thank you,
Holly
ILO
Ariel: 198.40.29.59
_______________
Holly Stec Dankert
Head of Readers' Services
John M. Flaxman Library The School of the Art Institute of Chicago
37 South Wabash, 6th FL Chicago, IL 60603
312.899.1434 hdankert at saic.edu
download our toolbar at:
http://flaxman.mylibrarytoolbar.com
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:27:04 -0600
From: "Connie Neuman" <Connie.Neuman at state.mn.us>
Subject: [ILL-L] Article from New Journal
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <47B16668.783A.0019.0 at health.state.mn.us>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Wondering if anyone out there can fill a request from this brand new journal. We are an LVIS and Freeshare library. Any assistance would be appreciated. There are listings in Docline and OCLC, but no holdings attached.
Manning, V. Differences in mental health, substance use and other problems among dual diagnosis patients attending psychiatric or substance misuse treatment centers. Mental Health and Substance Use: Dual Diagnosis V.1(1):54-63; 2008
Thank you in advance.
Connie J Neuman
RN Barr Library at the MN Dept of Health
625 North Robert Street, PO Box 64975
St. Paul, MN 55164-0975
connie.neuman at health.state.mn.us
651-201-5095; fax 651-201-5099
Visit the MDH Library website at http://www.health.state.mn.us/library/library.htm
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:09 -0800
From: "Jennifer Correa" <jcorrea at cuesta.edu>
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for
InterlibraryLoandepts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
To: "Interlibrary Loan Listserv" <ill-l at webjunction.org>
Message-ID: <AE010651AFD74C4A8E172ABC7EA1E76201E9C1CF at TUNA.cuesta.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If the Admin feels that libraries are obsolete due to the internet, google etc. you might want to point out that searches for legitimate information on research topics most often lead to CITATIONS for the desired materials and not the actual materials themselves. This phenomenon actually results in more need for Interlibrary loans, not less. (ie acquiring access to those materials). At least, I hope I'm right about that. :-) Are there studies available out there to back up my speculation?
Jennifer
________________________________
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Perkins
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:31 AM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for InterlibraryLoandepts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
Good morning Phyllis-
This is the first part of our ILL policy at Pierce College.
"The Interlibrary Loan (ILL) department provides quality service to meet informational needs of users, when local resources do not meet those needs. This is done by requesting material from or supplying material to another library."
Hope this helps.
Barb Perkins
Library Specialist
Pierce College Library
9401 Farwest DR Sw
Lakewood,WA 98498
bperkins at pierce.ctc.edu
________________________________
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kroupa, Phyllis
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:48 PM
To: Interlibrary Loan Listserv
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loandepts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
Hey Jane,
Thanks so much. I could use your second paragraph verbatim & just add student research as well.
So far you're my only respondent; perhaps I should directly email some individuals who are good at this.
Have an excellent weekend,
Phyllis
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Jane Thomas
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Interlibrary Loan Listserv'
Subject: RE: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts.&/or Libraries/all depts.
Hi Phyllis,
Just off the top of my head, what about all the money the college saves making loans and articles available to faculty, staff, and students at Ft. Lewis College without spending any money to purchase those same books, journals, and databases? Especially since you can get so much for free from all the great libraries in Colorado? ;-) There are some figures floating out there about how much it costs to do ILL per loan, per article, etc., and I bet that even if you added up all the costs of providing ILL, it would come out as way less than it would cost to purchase those same materials.
One library can't be all things to all researchers. A strong Interlibrary Loan department can be a life saver for those faculty whose research interests are not supported by the regular acquisitions budgets.
Just my one cent's worth on a Friday afternoon!
Jane Thomas
ILL & Document Delivery
University of Colorado at Boulder
From: ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org [mailto:ill-l-bounces at webjunction.org] On Behalf Of Kroupa, Phyllis
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:23 PM
To: ill-l at webjunction.org
Subject: [ILL-L] Needed: Justifications for Interlibrary Loan depts. &/or Libraries/all depts.
Greetings great folks,
Our director wants to present a proposal to the Administration to reinstate a position in Cataloguing/Tech Svcs & to request a new ? time position for Interlibrary Loan - YES!!! She is asking the staff to offer input wrt the proposal's language, specifically "If anyone would like to provide specific wording making the case relating positions to student and classroom faculty recruitment and retention, it would be very helpful".
For too many years with too little money, the College's policy has been to create positions or fill vacancies only if they fell within those very specific areas. We have also dropped from 2nd to 10th on the list for capital improvements when funds become available. And then we must contend with the myth that libraries are becoming obsolete, especially since it isn't the majority of our students who believe it, but rather those Admin. folk.
I know why ILL is important, but I'm constantly amazed at how many members of our campus community are unaware of its existence! I can also defend the Library as 'center of learning and research' position. I'm just looking for some truly gripping and impressively-expressed rationales. If anyone is feeling creative or has a document stashed for such purposes, I'd be ever-so appreciative of your sharing your valuable resource(s).
It's Friday, a day I either work very late trying to catch up or I focus on certain 'challenges'. I hope many of you are in the latter mode today.
Thanks in advance,
Phyllis
Phyllis Kroupa, ILL
Fort Lewis College - CDF
Reed Library - Interlibrary Loan
1000 Rim Drive
Durango, CO 81301
Courier = C504
Phone - (970) 247-7233
kroupa_p at fortlewis.edu
P.S. Julia, I love your new sign-off from Shari Barr(?). I think I've decided to go with "Hard work never killed anybody." - Some dead guy
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:58:53 -0500
From: "OCLC Resource Sharing" <oclcresourcesharing at oclc.org>
Subject: [ILL-L] OCLC Update: WorldCat Resource Sharing Now Supports
IE7
To: <ill-l at webjunction.org>, <oclc-sharing-l at oclc.org>
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WorldCat Resource Sharing now supports both IE6 and IE7. OCLC has
completed testing and all problems discovered have been resolved.
However you will need to modify your security settings in your browser
and add oclc.org as a trusted site. Below are complete instructions for
changing the security settings in IE7.
For IE6 the default setting for "Security Level for this Zone" is LOW,
so users of IE6 only need to complete the second task of adding oclc.org
as a trusted site.
First, close down all active applications (including Outlook, Word, and
all instances of IE, etc.)
Open your browser
Security settings for IE7
Select the following options:
* Click on the Tools menu
* Open Internet Options
* go to the SECURITY TAB
* Click on the TRUSTED SITES icon
* Change "Security Level for this Zone" to LOW with the Slider Bar
(Default Level is Medium)
* LOW IS THE PREFERRED SETTING, but MEDIUM LOW will work
* Next select the SITES button and add *.oclc.org to the trusted
sites.
* Make sure the "Require server verification (https: <https://> )
for all sites in this zone" is UNCHECKED
* If the box is checked when you enter *.oclc.org in the trusted
sites, you will get a warning "Sites added to this zone must use the
https:// prefix." This prefix assures a secure connection."
* Click on the OK button
* uncheck the box
* Add again.
* Click on Close
* Click on OK to exit from menu
* Close your browser
* Open your browser
Adding *.oclc.org as a trusted site for IE7 and IE6
* Click on the Tools menu
* Open Internet Options
* Open on the Security tab
* Click on the Trusted Sites icon (green)
* Click on Sites button
* Enter: *.oclc.org in the "Add this Web site to the zone" box
* Unclick the server verification / https: requirement
* Click Add
* Click OK to close the Trusted Sites window
* Click OK to close Internet Options window
Continue your work
If you have any more questions please contact your network service
provider or OCLC Customer Support Department (1-800-848-5800 or
<support at oclc.org>).
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