[ILL-L] CCL & CCG

Tue Aug 7 17:01:18 EDT 2007

Wait a second... but my point is that the suggestion of five is not the
only part of the CCG? The exceptions to the suggestion of five also are
part of the guidelines?  No one has said anything that makes me view the
exceptions that are listed there right below the suggestion of five as
not being part of the guidelines...  I don't see where marking it CCG
means it has to count towards your five...  It just means you're
applying the guidelines and either counting it towards the suggestion of
five, or not counting it towards the five if it is one of the
exceptions...  

At least that is still what makes sense to me (and what it doesn't seem
like anyone is understanding what I'm trying to say - I'm not debating
the fact that you have things that are exceptions to the suggestion of
five - my question has to do with whether the suggestion of five is the
only part of the CCG or if the part that tells you what the exceptions
are is not also a part of the guidelines... IF someone can explain why
that portion of the guidelines is indeed not part of the guidelines then
I'll shut up =)

(and seriously - I probably am going crazy this week - I leave Thursday
to go out of town for a wedding that I am both the maid of honor in, and
that I'm singing 3 songs in...so if I sound really dense today - please
excuse me =)

Alison

Alison Jones
Public Services Librarian
Baptist College of Florida

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I think you are going crazy. No, seriously, it is confusing. The CCG
guidelines indicate how to interpret the more general ideas of fair use
when applied to journal sharing (CCL). The CCG guidelines state that you
can only borrow five articles from a title that are less that five years
old in any given calendar year, after that you have to pay royalties.
You keep track of the number of these articles you request by marking
them CCG. All articles more that five years old you can mark CCL, and
there are other more general rules governing them. However, if you have
an article that is less than five years old which fits into those
special categories, you don't have to count it toward your allotted
five, so you can mark it CCL. This is what I've made of it so far, Ed. 

Edward Helmrich
ILL Office
Ryan Library
Iona College
914-633-2352 

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Exactly - but aren't those exclusions to the rule of five technically
part of the entire guidelines that are the CCG guidelines?  My point is
wouldn't it still count as CCG if one is getting articles that ARE
within the last 5 years but fit the categories that don't count- "title
on order OR title owned but missing OR library has current subscription
but does not retain back issues" - that's all part of the guidelines -
therefore if you are requesting an article from the last 5 years that
you do have the title, just not that issue - you're still sticking to
CCG even if it is not counting towards the suggestion of five? Or am I
just going crazy?  How is that part NOT part of the CCG guidelines?

Alison

Alison Jones
Public Services Librarian
Baptist College of Florida

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There are exclusions to the suggestion of five, for example, if you are
requesting an article which your library owns but can't get at the
moment (for example, that issue is at the bindery). Generally, the
exceptions don't apply, they mean your library has this journal and
issue, but just doesn't have it at the moment. Also, one can request
articles CCL for repairs to issues. But once you exceed the 5 limit
during a calendar year, you're supposed to sign in to the Copyright
Clearance Center to pay the royalties (or pay the publisher directly, I
guess), Ed. 

Edward Helmrich
ILL Office
Ryan Library
Iona College
914-633-2352 

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Not to beat a dead horse (from my own previous questions about this
topic)  - but this is what I was told to do - that CCG simply means that
you are conforming to the guidelines for the last 5 years

After all the "Do not count in Suggestion of Five" part is part of the
Copyright Compliance Guidelines - so if you are requesting articles that
are in the last five years, but that you don't have to count in the
suggestion of five, you are actually following the guidelines... In
other words, the suggestion of five is not the only part of the
guidelines - the exclusions to the suggestion of five is as well...

(did that make any sense - I feel like I'm talking in circles)

Alison

Alison Jones
Public Services Librarian
Baptist College of Florida
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Hi everyone!

This is what we do too--a blanket policy that ANY article ordered that
is less than 5 years old gets CCG whether we actually owe copyright or
not.  Everything else is CCL.  It's easy to remember and doesn't trigger
any lender hackles.  :)

Melissa Jackson
ILL Librarian

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From: 	"ILL_PSC ILL_PSC" <ILL_PSC at mail.wvu.edu>
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Date: 	8/7/2007 1:53 PM
Subject: 	[ILL-L] CCL & CCG (Was:  copyright clarification from
new ILL-er)

I can never remember which is which, so I have the following taped at
the top of my monitor:

-- Use CCL when requested material is older than five years.
-- Use CCG when requested material is five years old or less.

I'd bet the house that I got it from someone else's posting to this list
several years ago.

Linda

Linda Celet Bane
Interlibrary Loan (PWS/PWSA)
Mary F. Shipper Library/LRC
Potomac State College of WVU
Keyser, WV  26726-2697
phone: (304)788-6903
fax: (304)788-6946
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